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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Well. To welcome everyone back to the Pekinana Show. I've

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been waiting for part two. Glad we could do it now. Stormy,

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how are you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing fantastic. It's pleasure.

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Speaker 4: Filos, how are you also doing excellent? It's great to

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be here.

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Speaker 2: Awesome?

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Speaker 1: All right, Part two talking about the Dulles Brothers and

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the CIA and Filos. You remember where we left off,

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so please just jump right in.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 4: So where we left off was we were going through

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the early nineteen fifties in the CIA and how the

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US military had been infiltrated by the Agency and how

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a lot of these different points of information that we

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have access to today are because there's a lack of

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classification over them, and there's a few kind of smaller

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stories about their activities. And a big takeaway also was

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James Jesus Angleton. So just to kind of jog the

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audience's memory, there pretty obviously associated with Israel and all

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the different operations. So there's many diff different angles we

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could work on today with this. I'd like to still

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keep going through the nineteen fifties in the Agency and

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talking about a guy called Lyman Kirkpatrick. But before I

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get into that, there is another subject I want to

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talk about, which is how do I kind of couch

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this In reading about the Dullest Brothers, there's all of

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these lefty and progressive sources that are written describing these

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men as fascist and authoritarian and oppressive for going around

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the world knocking over native governments and causing regime change.

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And I wanted to just very briefly address some of

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the more critical perspectives against the Dullest Brothers and against

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the CIA and the fifties, because so much of what

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we know nowadays, so much of our perception of these

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men in their activity, is colored by a bunch of

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lefty academics. So if you two are cool with that,

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I can kind of go through a few academic presuppositions

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and I guess kind of debunk them.

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Speaker 3: I'm cool with that. I'm also cool with my intelligence

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agency toppling Nicaragua and Guatemalan unduring governments whenever they want

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to fuck with United fruit or standard oil.

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Speaker 4: So this is where this is where I imagine we're

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going to find some agreement. So the first critical lefty

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presupposition that you find in guys like David Talbot in

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the Devil's Chess Board or the Chompsky Angle of Things

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is that all colonialism that happens in the world is

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bad or evil. But rather than calling out these other systems,

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like the Chinese system, or the Russian system, or the

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British system or the French system. They'll go after the

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United States because the way that the United States conducts

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colonialism is I would argue, actually more beneficial than all

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of those other systems. Something that's curiously absent from most

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progressives is criticizing other forms of regime change and economic dominance.

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I would argue that the Dullest Brothers going into Guatemala

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and Nicaragua and a lot of these other CIA activities,

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even the Cuban Revolution, it's actually much more benevolent and

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respectful of a culture's autonomy than other countries conducting colonialism.

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And how can I possibly justify that when there's people

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getting killed. Well, what the Chinese do when they impose

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colonialism on a country is they take out a one

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hundred year lease on infrastructure development for ports and highways

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and wholly cut out the native population. They conduct widespread

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economic exploitation of whatever country in Africa or Southeast Asia

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or Latin America that they go into. And a similar

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system with the Russians and the Soviets, they would come

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in and impose their ideological change, but generally, as long

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as the country was nominally communist, they wouldn't care as

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much about the economic production that's going on there. And

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before I try and really defend American colonialism, I have

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to describe the British and the French background here a

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little bit. So the world in which the Dullest Brothers

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are operating is the beginning of the post colonial world

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in the twentieth century. Prior to the nineteen sixties, most

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of the world was directly administered in a colonial fashion,

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and most of that was done by the British or

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the French or the Americans. And the British system was

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they would pick a country and they would establish a

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cast of people within that country. They would point to

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them and say this group is wider or more Anglo

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or more ready to be westernized than another ethnic group,

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and then that first group would receive power and then

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they would totally dominate the second group by using British

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colonial administrative structure with like a nominal overcast of British

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administrative officials. This is why the British promoted the caste

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system within India. And then conversely you have the French system,

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and in the French system, you have a very strict

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colonial apparatus. Particularly this was in French West Africa, and

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the French would come in with their system of Napoleonic

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code and their departments, and they would entirely staff the

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colonial regime on an indigenous meritocracy within that country. And

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it's very unpopular nowadays to defend that kind of Western

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colonialism against its alternative forms. But one thing I kind

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of arrived at when researching the activities of the Dulles brothers,

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I sort of realized that the modern liberal calculus of

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just economically desecrating countries and having the IMF and the

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World Bank go around in greater world economies in the

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nineteen nineties and two thousands by allowing a Jewish international

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capital to buy like a native state owned enterprise, that's

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actually significantly more harmful in the long term than a

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short term regime change that the Dullest brothers were doing.

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It's a pretty controversial statement, So do either of you

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have any thought on that that stormy?

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Speaker 3: I do actually so right. First off, like the in

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this analysis, they are basically weighing one thing that's not real,

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it's never going to be real. And then what we

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do because if I am let's say, like an alien civilization,

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I zip up and I find Earth, unless I find

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Earth six thousand years ago, might I have? I'm everyone

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would expect me to just take whatever the fuck I wanted,

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and that that is the things that would naturally happen.

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And so the the there is not like an alternative,

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not an actual real politics where we just come across

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either strategically valuable real estate, whether it be location or

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in minerals resources whichever, that we can leverage in actual

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life or death competition with the other developed nation states.

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It's a game. It's Geopolitics is like the fucking Highlander.

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There's only going to be one and when there's not,

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there's going to be great struggle. And eventually we hope

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that some of these struggles balance each other out right,

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and it's just infinity stalemate. But any one of those participants,

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their aim is not infinity stalemate, right there, aim at survival.

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And the only way to ensure a nation's survival is

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to crush its enemies. Right. Politics is what its friend

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and enemy. And so there are no neutral countries. If

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you're undeveloped, you don't get to be neutral, right, We

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have no reason to recognize your sovereignty. You have something

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that is valuable, you are enable to stop us from

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taking it. If we don't take it, our enemy will

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take it and use it against us. So that's the

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actual alternative, right, There is no alternative reality where we

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just go, oh, this is the Suez Canal, this may

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be really important. Well, these guys don't look like they

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can get their shit together, so I guess we've set

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the fuck off home. Then huh, Like that's not a reality.

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So the reason the lefties criticize only America is because

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we're the biggest and we're the best, and they hate greatness.

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Right if another country was the biggest and the best,

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they would hate that country more than us. Rights. They

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need to align themselves with the victim. Therefore they cannot

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align themselves with the Hegemen. So there is no non

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colonial eventuality. So that's I think what needs to happen

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as far as any type hold on is I can

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have a screaming cat that's about to get tossed outside

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for being a Brett taken from taking from their filo.

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Speaker 4: It's just something that came up as I encountered this

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strange all of mirrors especially when reading the David Talbot

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book and Chomsky because it looks at it looks at

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like a very small Latin American or African or Southeast

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Asian country, and says they are just one Western educated

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communist away from being a utopia, you know, especially when

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they're talking. And we'll get into guatemal a little bit later.

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But the way that they refer to Guatemala is that

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even though this country since and most colonial powers since

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that really the year eighteen hundred, since the Industrial Revolution,

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there's just been even in the era of like after

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Bolivar in the eighteen twenties, there's continuous resinate regime change

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between what is at the time very far right and

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very far left regimes. The overall cycle of regimes within

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these different countries far out paces anything that the United

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States is able to even really conceive of.

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Speaker 2: Real quick, real quick.

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Speaker 3: Let me interjudgte. The reason why, the reason why, the

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easiest way that you can defend the US system of

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colonialism versus any other right is simply because we are

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going to keep toppling. So why did we rebuild Europe?

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Why was that important to us? It wasn't because we

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particularly love French people, and we know how you know,

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the people that were running the show felt about German

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people at that time. Yes, there was people that did

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not feel that way, q Alan Dulles and John Foster,

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but we rebuilt those nations at considerable expense because there

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is not more fertile ground. More fertile ground does not

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exist anywhere in the world for communist revolution than a

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bombed out shit bombed out shithold is about as good

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as it gets, right. It is a revolutionary's wet dream.

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And all the countries in South and Central America at

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the time were bombed out shitholes, either bombed out by

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themselves or just shitholes day facto. Either way, it's fertile

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ground for communist revolution, as you can see, because communism

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just catches very very quickly. So if we are in

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a life or death struggle against the Soviet Union, we

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have two options. I think Thomas lays it out great, Pete,

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when I think you guys were talking about Vietnam right

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at the point in time that you're talking about Filo.

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In the fifties and later in the sixties, the US

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was losing to communism. Communists were talking up w after

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W after w all across the Eurasian land mass and

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in Africa. So we just don't fuck with these countries

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in our own backyard is not an option. It's not right.

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We're not going to become a garrison nation. And no leader,

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no responsible leader of the American nation would in any

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good conscience do that or allow that to take place. Right,

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if there's any place that needs to be toppled, it's

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the one in your own backyard. If there is a

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country full of resources or just really real estate, that

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is the country that you can't turn around and just

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you know, let them exist. However, it's the one that

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is directly connected to you via land. Right. The reason

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that the US is in the defensible position that it

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is is because the people that hate us happened to

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have an ocean in between us and them. So creating

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a situation where they no longer have an ocean between

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us and them isn't simply not allowed. So we didn't

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go impose some harsh caste system like Philo mentioned. We

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didn't do the terrible French way, which I mean still

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goes on today, by the way, which everybody should check

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out the West African frank We didn't do any of these.

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We just did a test of anti fragility filo, Like

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Pilot just said, we're gonna keep on toppling these until

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you can fucking build one or assemble one that is

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resilient to communism. And you're gonna try, and it's not

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going to be resilient, and then it's going to be

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taken over or begin to be taken over by communists,

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and then we're gonna topple that one again, and eventually

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you will have a government that's able to defend itself

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from communism that you built yourself. Right, So we are

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forcing them, right. The US is acting as the evolution

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the rapid evolutionary forcing function for resiliency. Like, yes, US

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companies will do business there. The fact that there are

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US companies that do business there is actually what stops

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the communists from invading or trying to take it over. Right,

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the same reason that Trump's like, yeah, I'm not going

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to try and put troops in Ukraine, but I'm going

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to put businesses in Ukraine. I think it's a dumb

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idea because fuck Ukraine, frankly, But if we're talking about

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monroad doctrine like my backyard, then I do care, right,

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But putting businesses in Ukraine is his way of not

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putting troops. It is as much of a trip wire, right. So,

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once the US business is there in Ukraine, if Putin

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comes in and tries to take it away, it gives

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you the diplomatic leeway to act the same way as

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if you had troops there. So the population, since the

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hypothesis of US not taking them in a colonialist effort

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does not exist in reality, we have two options. We

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either station troops there or poor capital into the country. Right,

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no matter how many troops we station there, that's never

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going to develop the country anymore. Will take what we want,

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but there will be no knockdown, There will be no

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second and third order effects that benefit anybody else there. Right,

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So business is always going to better than bullets. And

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rather than imposing a form of government, we will allow

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one to form organically. And if it is, if it

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ever ceases to be able to defend itself against communism,

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we're going to knock it over again. And we'll keep

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knocking the sand castle Overlert until they build one that works.

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But the key factor in there is they built it,

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not us. So just on its face, the US's form

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of colonialism is the best if we're if we're viewing

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the you know, happy feels of the natives as you know,

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the prime judging mechanism. Personally, I think other forms of

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colonialism would have been a lot more easy to administer

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because none of that optionality would have been given to

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the native population, nor would any of you know, anybody

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care about their feelings. But if we're judging by the

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feels of the brown people in these places, then the

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US is by far the most superior, and the non

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colonial option doesn't actually exist. It's false, exactly.

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Speaker 4: And there is not a peep about the Chinese exploitation

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of Sri Lanka. And that's a very niche example. But

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everywhere that China goes and does business in an un

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developed country, it will build extractive infrastructure, and when it can,

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it will not interact with the native populace at all.

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It will not give them a dime. And the people,

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the Chinese nationals that exit China to go live in

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a place like a you know, wherever in Africa, to

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go mine resources and put them on Chinese trucks on

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Chinese highways, to go to a Chinese port in another country,

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when you ask them where are they in the world,

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they will look at you and tell you China. And

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there's a reason for that. There's there is no autonomy

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or sovereignty with any other model of colonialism. That's a

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very it's a very interesting distinction there. I'd like to

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pivot back to the Central Intelligence Agency and the Dullest Brothers.

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Let's see here, So there's something to point out. Very

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recently to tie it in. Trump recently appointed all of

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his cabinet level officials. They all went through Congress, most

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of them got approved, and they were all sworn in

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on television. And usually when someone at cabinet level secretary

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is confirmed by Congress, they give a brief speech after

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being sworn in by the President of the Congress, in

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this case JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance.

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Speaker 4: You know, usually it's about five or ten minutes. There's

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some media appearances, and then they get to work. Well,

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the current Director of Central Intelligence is a man named

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John Ratcliffe, and so JD. Vance gets up there before

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the swearing in and Vance says quote, Normally, after I

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administer the oath, I would invite the new guy to

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say a few words. But given that he's the leader

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of the CIA, John Ratcliffe is not going to give

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any remarks because every piece of knowledge in his brain

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is actually classified. So he's going to head straight to

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Langley and do the job that the American people need

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him to do. That's a very interesting position. How could

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a cabinet level official in front of the Vice President

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say no words, give no speech, be accountable not at

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all to the media, and simply walk out of the

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room at the behest of the Vice President. That is

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because as I explain the position of the Director of

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Central Intelligence, it will be very clear that this is,

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depending on who you ask, the second or third most

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powerful man in the country period, and that all begins

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with Alan Dulls. The question has to be asked, who

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is the Director of Central Intelligence? Who staffed the Central

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Intelligence Agency between nineteen forty seven and nineteen sixty one.

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That's such a man of such power could come from

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it and enter into a position to run it.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: There's three generations of men that are present in the

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Central Intelligence Agency at this time. The first is a

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senior group. These are American military men and corporate men

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either in finance or law, that generally served in World

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War One and who had vast foreign contact networks. These

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men I found in reading biographies and direct histories of

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the agency are exceptionally competent, worldly and political. The second

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generation of men were the World War Two OSS guys.

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These are highly plugged into military They are extreme experts

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in the state of global affairs and also covert operations.

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To them, they are the hammer to which every problem

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is a nail. And the third group, the group that

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begins to come into the CIA as it is set up,

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is the new recruits. These are the people that are

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enrolled in the Junior Agency Office Training program. According to

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Lyman Kirkpatrick, this training program rivaled the executive the best

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executive development programs in the industry Procter and Gamble. When

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someone in the late nineteen forties and early fifties goes

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into the Central Intelligence Agency, an entire year is devoted

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to formal training, followed by three years of control and

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guidance by the Office of Training and What kind of

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people are recruited into the Central Intelligence Agency. According to

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a nineteen fifty one House Appropriations meeting, some of the

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most recruited quality men in the CIA were actually FBI

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agents and military officers and men from corporate fields. That

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I think is very interesting that the CIA would be

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going in to all other government agencies and poaching their

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best people. And I want to elucidate an example of

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a man who is detailed by L. Fletcher Browdie, and

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that man's name is Lyman Kirkpatrick, because I think the

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trajectory of his career really shapes out how the Central

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Intelligence Agency is taking shape at this time. He why

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should you care about him in relation to Dolls, Well,

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he was the executive assistant to the prior Director of

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Central Intelligence, Gender General Walter Biddell Smith, and he was

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also the Inspector General of the CIA, appointed by Dolls.

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This man also created the Defense Intelligence Agency, and he

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also wrote the Keystone Report on the Bay of Pigs invasion.

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So the reason that you should give a shit about

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Lyman Kirkpatrick is that he is the highest authority in

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the Central Intelligence Agency that wrote a detailed primary source

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book after his service. And he's also one of the

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very few men, one of three that L. Fletcher Proudy

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believes realistically depicts the inner functioning of the CIA. And

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we'll start off with how he was recruited into the

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agency prior to the nineteen seventies, really intelligent people would

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be recruited on merit. It's kind of the opposite today.

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It takes about two years to get into the agency.

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Kirkpatrick was recruited. Okay, so I'll just give a brief

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exposition of his life. He wrote a book in nineteen

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sixty nine called The Real CIA where he details all this. So,

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Kirkpatrick graduates from Princeton in June of nineteen thirty eight,

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and he was urged by his boss, a former naval aviator,

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to apply for a commission in the Naval Air Intelligence.

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He gets rejected by the Navy for being mildly colorblind

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in May of nineteen forty and through a friend, he's

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introduced to wild Bill Donovan. At the time in nineteen forty,

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Donovan is heading up the Office of Coordination of Information.

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Based on the interview, Donovan really really wants this Kirkpatrick

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guy on board. Kirkpatrick knows this because as he is

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hanging around federal buildings trying to get a job after

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being rejected by the Navy, an agent comes up from

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the Civil Service Commission and flashes a badge. Kirkpatrick looks

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at this badge and he realizes that this is a

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fake person. And if you recall during part one of

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this series, the Central Intelligence Agency and also the OSS

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was very adept at getting fake people created to staff

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government agencies and the military. This is a tool that

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they're able to use to get information out of people.

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So this man who walks up to Kirkpatrick does not

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actually work for the Civil Service Commission. He knows the

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investigator is obviously a little new and he's investigating on

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behalf of Donovan's organization to try and find out Kirkpatrick's background.

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Kirkpatrick knows this because the investigator mistakes him for his boss.

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And so this man comes up to Kirkpatrick and says,

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you know, what's you know? Are you know? Do you

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work with Kirkpatrick? And he goes, well, yeah, you know,

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where's this going to go? The first question is did

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Kirkpatrick's attitude towards the war change any after Russia became involved?

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This question was asked in right after I think Operation

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Barbarossa in early nineteen forty two. And why would a

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spook interviewers first question be about Russia in nineteen forty two?

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Why wouldn't it be some kind of allegiance towards the

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NO or some kind of overall sympathy with communism. I'm reminded,

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Stormy of your point that all of the really involved

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players in World War Two were concerned about the Soviet

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Union right from the start. So he goes through this

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brief questioning process and then he doesn't really think much

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of it. He's being vetted at this point by several

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government agencies. He then gets a call very mysteriously from

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the Secretary of the Navy himself. So at this point

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Kirkpatrick isn't in any government agency or service. He's just

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agreed to work in Donovan's department. And the Secretary of

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the Navy asks this basically, this nobody, come into my

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office and you and I are going to have a talk.

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So he comes in and very quickly he's sitting in

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front of the Secretary of the Navy, and the secretary

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asks him, how would you like to be commissioned tomorrow

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as a Navy ensign and says, no, I've agreed to

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join what will become the OSS And the Secretary of

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the Navy leans over his desk and he says, don't

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go into that crazy outfit because there's no rules and

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there's no regulation. So Kirkpatrick, again similar to the fake

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military personnel, gets a direct commission in the Army even

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though he's not in the military, and he was rejected

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from the Navy. So he has a very illustrious career

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in World War Two, and as a fake Army lieutenant,

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he is personally advising General Patton in General Bradley, and

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then through his meteoric rise, he eventually becomes the number

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three man at the Central Intelligence Agency. So why does

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this matter? Why does this one man his trajectory matters. Well,

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it's sort of an archetype for how this Central Intelligence

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Agency could orchestrate control over different aspects of government in

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order to bring the most meritocratic person to their operation.

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And this was the thrust as the organization was beginning

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to coalesce together after the war as well. And I

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want to bring up to contextualize Dulls, I want to

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bring up, briefly the previous Director of Central Intelligence, and

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that is a man named General Walter Beidell Smith, who

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was DCI from October of nineteen fifty to February of

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nineteen fifty three. Interestingly, when Dolls replaces him as DCI,

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Smith goes on to join the board of United Fruit Company.

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Very interesting little fact there. The mood at the time

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when General Smith was DCI was that the Korean War

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was the final blow needed to force the United States

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to revitalize its defense establishment and also to build a

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modern intelligence system. And at Smith's right hand is Alan Dulles.

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So General Smith arrives in DC in October of nineteen

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fifty and he calls Dulls at his law firm, Sullivan

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and Cromwell, and he says, verbatim, you wrote the report

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on the CIA, Now come to Washington and help me

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implement it. At this time in the Central Intelligence Agency

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in nineteen fifty, there are two units operating overseas. Clandestine

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collection is by the Office of Special Operations and the

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covert operations are conducted by the Office of Policy Coordination.

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The OsO has elements of State Department and DoD, but

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the Office of Policy Coordination is just agency. So under

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Dulles's direction, he consolidates these two halves. And that's where

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the recruitment of people to sort of act as fake

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millitary members or government officials becomes entirely the purview of

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the CIA. So to make this make sense he is

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removing administrative control from non CIA departments in order to

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create more ambiguity about getting people involved overseas that represent

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those departments, because you don't want somebody who reports into

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State Department saying, Hey, there's a guy walking around here

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who's claiming to be a member of the State Department.

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You know, do you have him on record? Well, no,

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he's actually agency. That no longer is a problem. So

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General Smith is initially opposed to wanting both of these

478
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:48,599
things combined, the special operations and the policy coordination combined

479
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into one organization. But Dulls has been pushing for this

480
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,440
since May of nineteen forty eight, and in June of

481
00:34:56,519 --> 00:35:00,360
nineteen fifty one he combines the Latin American division of

482
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,440
these two departments as the first keystone move. Now, early

483
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,960
in his career, Dulls hadmanned the Latin America desk of

484
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,760
the State Department, and that becomes very critical as you

485
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,960
start to get into the United Fruit Company in guatemal

486
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:27,440
later on. Let's see, the CIA then begins under Dulles,

487
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,320
and there's a few interesting facts here. So the CIA

488
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,960
is formerly under Dulles's control from February of nineteen fifty

489
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,239
three until November of nineteen sixty one, and according to

490
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:46,199
one of his successors, Richard Helms, the National Security Act

491
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:50,480
of nineteen forty seven gave Dulles authority over the entire

492
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:59,760
intelligence community. It's been claimed that Dulles was, you know,

493
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:04,599
threading many different bureaucratic parts within the agency, but honestly

494
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:07,880
a more objective look. And this is according to Richard

495
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,119
Holmes personally, that all that Dulls ever gave a shit

496
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:18,239
about was operations. He cared about how to recruit KGB officers,

497
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,039
he cared about the vulnerabilities of on cooperative foreign governments,

498
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:27,440
how to get information from friendly intelligence services. And he

499
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,719
didn't really care about the line items of multi billion,

500
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:34,960
multimillion dollar budgets. And why does he have this free

501
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:39,559
bureaucratic movement. Well, after Eisenhower created the President's Board of

502
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:47,360
Consultants on Foreign Intelligence Tech Activities, Dulles suggests, you know,

503
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:52,960
he creates this board to consult on these activities. Every

504
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,880
single person, all ten members of this board are handpicked

505
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,360
by Dulles, so they have complete control over him, over

506
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:09,079
the activities of the committee. And they're trying to also

507
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:11,840
pat him on the back they're putting him dulls more

508
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:18,400
and more into the White House. And the other close

509
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,679
coordination that Doulas had to access at this time period

510
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,079
was his brother John Foster. Dolas is Secretary of State

511
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:30,280
and he wants an activist CIA. So Dolus himself is

512
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,800
very very good at conducting these operations. But there's a vulnerability.

513
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,440
There's a setback, and this is from Lyman Kirkpatrick, who

514
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,039
he has a meteoric rise in the Central Intelligence Agency.

515
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,400
He would have been director, but he contracted polio on

516
00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:51,519
assignment in Southeast Asia on nineteen fifty two, and this

517
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:56,760
precludes him from really being able to rise to a

518
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:04,800
position they Kirkpatrick writes that in early nineteen fifty four,

519
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:09,880
McCarthy is continuing to attack the Central Intelligence Agency because

520
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,360
supposedly there's a whole bunch of communists that are present.

521
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:16,760
This is something that comes up very frequently with McCarthy.

522
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,599
His tactic is to point to a government administration and

523
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:25,639
say that there's a secret cabal internally that is a

524
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:30,239
group of communists that's all working to advance the communist agenda. Now,

525
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:34,280
for the most part, that's completely accurate and true, but

526
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,760
it's not true for the Central Intelligence Agency, and Doulas

527
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,599
takes this very personally. He's extremely anti communist. The unbeknownst

528
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:48,760
to McCarthy, and according to Kirkpatrick, the CIA had been

529
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:54,320
completely and thoroughly investigated after World War Two for communist activity,

530
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,639
regardless of employment or the security clearances that anyone within

531
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:03,880
the CeNSE Intelligence Agency had held. So Dulls knew that

532
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,840
for the most part, everyone at the CIA was pretty

533
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,639
clean in terms of Communist activity at the time, according

534
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:18,920
to Kirkpatrick. But Dullus goes further. He sits down at

535
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,920
a meeting. I wouldn't call it a meeting, It's more

536
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,400
of a convention. He puts six hundred agency employees in

537
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,119
a room with him, and he says to all of

538
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:31,599
them directly that he will fire anybody who goes to

539
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:38,119
McCarthy without his personal authorization. Dullus also notes in a

540
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:42,239
different source that quote, since I have been with the CIA,

541
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:46,599
a mountain of hard evidence on communist intrigue has passed

542
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:50,119
over my desk. Soviet spies have been operating in the

543
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,239
United States for more than forty years, and the apparatus

544
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,440
all over the world went into high gear for the

545
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,159
Cold War. So that explains the emphasis on the anti

546
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:07,519
communist tendency within the Central Intelligence Agency, and they would

547
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:13,320
end up doing much more like pro lefty activities after

548
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,320
the Dulles brothers are outed. But there's another quote here

549
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:20,719
that is from a book called the Cultural Cold War,

550
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:27,639
which claims that the CIA influenced and infiltrated the cultural

551
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:34,039
sphere of the left wing progressives and bankrolled them. Everyone

552
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:41,079
from Isaiah Berlin to Jackson Pollock, to bertrand Russell Desartra,

553
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:45,039
they were all in the CIA payroll. And well, people

554
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:49,039
might associate that with Dolls. That's actually not quite true.

555
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:53,280
In the book, it says about men like Dulls that

556
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,800
these men like Dolls quote, schooled in the principles of

557
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:03,719
a robust intellect, athletic prowess, pily tess, noblige, and solid

558
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,920
Christian ethics. They took their example from men like the

559
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,039
Reverend Endicott Peabody, trained in the Christian virtues and the

560
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:15,760
duties of privileged. They emerged believing in democracy, but wary

561
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:22,239
of unchecked egalitarianism reversing. This was the elect that had

562
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:28,679
not been elected, so a lot of the other I'm

563
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:31,079
gonna I guess I'm straying a little bit, but basically,

564
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:34,639
these guys are extremely motivated internal to their own agency

565
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,480
to get rid of the communism that was present. And

566
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:44,599
how they actually conducted these operations, well, okay, they had

567
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:47,280
a legal network that was also present in the agency.

568
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:52,320
It was very limited in its scope and its manpower, right,

569
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,880
This is the uh More espionage side of the house.

570
00:41:56,639 --> 00:42:01,480
Every important American embassy and consulate has its quota of

571
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:05,440
CIA men who are given a cover rank but whose

572
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,960
work escapes diplomatic discipline. The CIA legal operative reports directly

573
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:15,159
to Washington. His job, like his Soviet counterpart, is to

574
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:19,239
recruit illegal agents, build up contacts with non governmental forces

575
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,119
in the country, and collect information through sources not available

576
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:30,000
to the regular embassy staff. So this begins to create

577
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,039
kind of an elite class of people within the CIA.

578
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:36,800
So you have the analysts side of the house, which

579
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,599
is usually you have a country desk where you have

580
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,800
anywhere between half a dozen to a dozen experts on

581
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,719
any given country. They all have a specialty area for

582
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,480
that country. One person is very very knowledgeable about the

583
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:55,519
economics of a country. The other knows a great deal

584
00:42:55,519 --> 00:43:00,000
about the religion. Another person knows about the recent history

585
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,280
and political situation of the country, and those people form

586
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:09,400
an analyst collective about the country, which then will create

587
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:14,760
intelligence reports based off of mostly open source intelligence information

588
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,719
and sometimes clandestinely gathered information like satellite activity. I should

589
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,880
also stress that this is prior for the most part.

590
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,320
I think Stormy can correct me. This is prior to

591
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,599
a lot of the psychic activities that were going on

592
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:37,039
at the agency. I know that they had mk Ultra,

593
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,239
and I listened to Astrol's episode on that, but I'm

594
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,760
not an expert in that area, so I'm not going

595
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,719
to over extend myself on that front.

596
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Speaker 3: I started in the six in the in the late sixties, early.

597
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Speaker 4: Seventies, Sure, okay, so.

598
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Speaker 3: It also came out of it also came Another thing

599
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:03,639
is that while this is happening in the CIA, another

600
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thing that you another group that you will butt into

601
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,800
when you butt into the CIA, which is a lot

602
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:16,440
harder to find anything on, frankly, is the naval intelligence.

603
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,039
And it's a naval intelligence kind of sits in the background. Right.

604
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:27,159
So as he's describing all this, keep in mind that

605
00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:32,960
all of the branches of the military have kept and

606
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:38,440
grown their own intelligence off agencies internally, and they're the

607
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:43,039
only people with equally as unlimited and equally as unchecked

608
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:49,079
and equally as classified budgets. So sometimes these groups will

609
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:54,800
overlap remote viewing I believe came out of the Pentagon.

610
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Speaker 4: First, and it would kind of track with the overall

611
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trajectory of the intelligence community because this number three man

612
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,559
at the CIA, Limon Kirkpatrick, he founds the Defense Intelligence

613
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:11,239
Agency in the nineteen fifties. He's response, he's called the

614
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,119
father of the d IA by people within that community.

615
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 3: And yeah, there's not much Defense department in the Defense

616
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,280
Intelligence Agency though.

617
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Speaker 4: Sure, I mean it's it's mostly uh, I'd have to

618
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,559
like double check the information there, but it's it's a lot,

619
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:34,960
it's a lot of O and I right, yep, yeah,

620
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:38,440
I mean that because that makes sense because the office

621
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,480
prior to I'll have a book on the origins of

622
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,639
the OSS. It's the big internal CIA one had to

623
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,800
be gone through twice before they were able to publish

624
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,519
it by Troy Baker. I think that one can say,

625
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:54,960
like a.

626
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,199
Speaker 3: Good example is like the Defense that both the Office

627
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:03,960
of Naval Naval Intelligence had their own I guess Warren Commission,

628
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,079
all right, that was strictly internal for them, and you

629
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:12,760
still can't get the classified not even a single freaking

630
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,039
page of it, including the Trump administration, you can't get it.

631
00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 4: I know that they were the dominant intelligence force in

632
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,400
the country prior to World War Two. I mean they

633
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:27,280
that was it, there was. And also if you look,

634
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,840
you know, I think kind of the hidden story about

635
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:36,000
Kirkpatrick's recruitment is that. And it's very interesting. So there's

636
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:41,719
this unspoken subtext of a relationship between the Navy and

637
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:49,280
the recruitment apparatus within the OSS. Right, So the Secretary

638
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,320
of the Navy knocks, he knows, I mean, he is

639
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:58,239
informed the next day, you know, because he calls this candidate,

640
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,400
this Kirkpatrick guy. Because if os US wants him, he's

641
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,119
been rejected to be enable candidate. The only the only

642
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:07,360
way he can secure his loyalty is, you know, he says, hey,

643
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,679
do you want to commission tomorrow? I mean that's and

644
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:14,880
that sounds people might not appreciate just how major of

645
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,039
it like that doesn't happen.

646
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,159
Speaker 3: It doesn't the president calling you exactly literally, like the

647
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:23,400
President of the United States calling you saying, hey, do

648
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,280
you want a job tomorrow?

649
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:28,599
Speaker 4: Right, So there's there's there's there's many things going behind

650
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:31,280
the scenes, and who knows.

651
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: The universities to man, if you notice, all the CIA

652
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,119
guys tend to come out of where CIA leadership, right,

653
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,320
So I guess you could say like the class structure

654
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,079
within the CIA, so to speak.

655
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Speaker 4: At the time, they're all coming out of Yale and Princeton.

656
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep. How come we never see like a West

657
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,519
Point or any of the other military academ me which

658
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:06,559
are far harder to get into than Yale. I would

659
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:07,519
imagine those.

660
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:12,679
Speaker 4: My guess is that they've already been intoctrinated with do

661
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:18,039
O D thinking the methodology of war gaming things, and

662
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:22,800
you know they've also been trained very hierarchically and with

663
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,559
an oh yeah, all these guys were protent.

664
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: These are the most important thing.

665
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 4: It's a great book called Wise Men by Walter Isaacson.

666
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,880
It details how all these guys, you know, all the

667
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,119
World War One guys. There's also a huge thing for

668
00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:44,079
Navy intelligence. So Kirkpatrick's boss was a naval aviator, and

669
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:47,639
all of the people that founded early UH naval aviation

670
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,760
and Navy intelligence that were working in that field. These

671
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,039
guys had like all of the powerful connections that are

672
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:56,440
going on, and I mean it's it's still the case,

673
00:48:56,559 --> 00:49:00,199
like it's uh, you know, you know, find me a

674
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,119
very interesting parallel today is if you look at all

675
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:06,400
the people that are in charge of the Department of Defense,

676
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,840
like the Joint Chiefs of Staff, they're all fighter pilots,

677
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,920
but also overrepresented as like the Navy's opinions. I mean,

678
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,000
then the Navy really runs the show when it comes

679
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,280
to the bureaucracy in DC nowadays. And also like basically

680
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:26,960
like throughout American history. Yes, you know that the Army

681
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,760
is out in the nineteenth century fighting the Indian Wars.

682
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,599
The Marine Corps is deployed you know, all over the

683
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:35,440
world to you know, the Google.

684
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, the Marine Corps, the Marine Corps under who

685
00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:43,400
now at the time and still are technically then they.

686
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Speaker 4: Earned the Navy, yeah exactly. And so all these naval

687
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:49,639
personnel are in d C, and all the admirals and

688
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:53,320
all the general staff. And if you look at Trump's changes,

689
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you know, well.

690
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 3: Here give you just a real quick example that everyone

691
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,000
at home can google right now. You can do it

692
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,159
too far, though, I'd love to actually hear your opinion

693
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:12,199
type in Pentagon militia, destroys kills whichever pick an adjective, Cia, militia.

694
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:24,599
Speaker 1: Okay, stand by here, Yeah, I remember this, I remember what.

695
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Speaker 4: Uh Los Angeles time corticle. Yes, oh man, I could

696
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,199
tell you about this one.

697
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, the CIA was trying to at the best

698
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of I guess you can call it at the best

699
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,639
of Zionism. This is the thing is that I didn't

700
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:49,599
want to interrupt you, but Allen Dulles was right about communists.

701
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,199
He just didn't really understand communists all that well. You

702
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:57,519
could hate communists and be very anti communists and not

703
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:00,480
understand communism. And let let's say the way three of

704
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:06,079
us understand communism, right, we understand communism a little bit differently,

705
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:10,719
and we understand that there's no difference between that and Zionism,

706
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,760
right guys. So he may have had a blind spot

707
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,079
because the reason why Alan Dulles couldn't figure out how

708
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:23,800
the Soviets kept on getting all of their shit was

709
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:27,800
it never occurred to him that it was Israel giving

710
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,960
all of the materials. The mole that that James Jus

711
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:41,159
Angleton was, you know, commissioned to find this Soviet mole

712
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,719
wasn't in fact, the Soviet mole at all, it's a

713
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:49,440
Zionist mole, and he was it. James Ingleton was the

714
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,800
guy that he was supposed to find. But who was

715
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:58,320
Zionism at this point? Find me a Israeli prime minister

716
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,559
Who's I have to coveat this because I could just

717
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:08,320
say every Israeli prime minister was a former member of

718
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,199
the Soviet intelligence apparatus. But then I have to caveat

719
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:16,760
that because Benjamin and Yahoo exists and he's just the

720
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,199
son of two Soviet intelligence officers.

721
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 4: Well all of them are hugganah Iragoon. Yeah, every single

722
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,280
prime minister and they were also.

723
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 3: What I mean, organized crime and intelligence go like handing

724
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:33,199
glove right.

725
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely with Angleton as well. There's some little interesting

726
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:39,800
anecdotes about Angleton.

727
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,079
Speaker 3: I try and tell people like the Masad existed before,

728
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:43,280
long before the state of Israel.

729
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 4: Yeah absolutely, I mean reference you know, reference the previous,

730
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:52,280
uh previous streams on forrestall and.

731
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 2: You know, just.

732
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 4: The the prevalence there, Like Engleton. Engleton is deathbed said, uh,

733
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,840
you know, he said, I'm going to burn in hell

734
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,840
for all eternity for what I'm what I've done in

735
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,639
my life, and uh, there's some very there's some I

736
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:12,079
mean he had some realizations well, you know, and that's

737
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:15,760
interesting reading the David Talbot book on him, because you know,

738
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,840
the reason Doulas didn't suspect Angleton is because they were

739
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,880
very close. Uh, you know, there was a huge amount

740
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:27,119
of trust that Dulls put in Angleton. And I'd have

741
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:28,519
to pull up the source here.

742
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,199
Speaker 3: But it's it's the same thing that always gets them.

743
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:34,280
Why would a Princeton guy like, why would a man

744
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,519
of my class? Possibly? This is how this is how

745
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:43,559
everybody missed Kim philby a right, there's no there's no

746
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,599
there's no daylight between Champagne socialists and communists and all

747
00:53:48,639 --> 00:53:52,679
these little posh boys. Their life kind of lacks a

748
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:57,480
certain type of excitement, and being a double agent's pretty exciting,

749
00:53:59,480 --> 00:53:59,679
you know.

750
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:00,679
Speaker 2: They.

751
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:04,519
Speaker 3: I believe Dulles missed Angleton for the same reason that

752
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:08,480
everyone missed and I six missed Kim Philbery right, because

753
00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:11,559
for him to throw in with the Communists would be

754
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:16,239
so unimaginable, because glaring in the face long before national

755
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:24,719
betrayal would be class betrayal. So I no one saw FDR.

756
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,119
All of the people that were aligned to try and

757
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:31,159
oust the recently elected FDR. A lot of them had

758
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:37,039
the last name Roosevelt. Nobody ever sees class betrayal coming.

759
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, not all of them betrayed either, Like Kermit, Roosevelt

760
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:48,119
was involved in the most standard oil the Iranian action one.

761
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 3: Hundred percent, Like Dude, a majority of Roosevelt's entire family

762
00:54:52,880 --> 00:55:00,320
was like part of the campaign to oust FDR. Like

763
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,440
the level of betrayal, they were the most, they were

764
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:07,320
the most vehement, like the most venomous anti Roosevelt people

765
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,559
were members of the Roosevelt family. Because of that betrayal,

766
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:17,079
it caught them so like they couldn't they couldn't imagine it.

767
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:22,360
I imagine that this is why why Dulles couldn't imagine

768
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:26,960
class betrayal. Let's put this way, like what you said,

769
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,559
it may sound really corny, but the quote that filoed

770
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:33,480
just that read out earlier about what these men were

771
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:37,480
actually like, what their values were like, right, what their

772
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:42,400
religious faiths were like, and the type of priority in

773
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:48,440
prominence these men put into matters of faith. It leaves

774
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:51,519
them open for this type of thing because it is

775
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:55,960
physically impossible for a man like Alan Dulles with the

776
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:59,840
values and beliefs that he has. It's his whole paradigm.

777
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: Right.

778
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 3: It's not like, oh, these are my values and they're

779
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,199
like this line item list right, these are my bullet

780
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:09,840
points right here. These are all the things. That's not

781
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,800
how it works, right. All of these things are part

782
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,280
of his paradigm. Right. They physically represent the way that

783
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:21,119
like they physically are not represent They are the lens

784
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:24,559
in which he views reality. He lives through those, He

785
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:28,519
analyzes all information through those, he experiences life. Through those.

786
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:30,760
He understands the options that are available to him at

787
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:36,119
any given time through those, which is why the class

788
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:40,199
traders always get through always.

789
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 4: There's a very interesting uh. There's two very interesting elements

790
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,920
to Angleton. The first was that when he was in

791
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,800
school at Yale, he founded a very modern levant garde

792
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,920
literary magazine and was very into modernist poet which later

793
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,239
became The Beats and Everything Else, and they got a

794
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,880
lot of CIA funding from that. So Angleton there's a

795
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,239
very interesting thing, which is that he was exceptionally interested

796
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:18,000
in the metaphysics of assassination, and people that worked with

797
00:57:18,199 --> 00:57:22,360
Angleton said one did not always have to agree with

798
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,519
him to know that he possessed a unique grasp of

799
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:28,440
secret operations. As a friend remark, he had the ability

800
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,000
to raise an operational discussion not only to a higher level,

801
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,119
but to another dimension. It is easy to mock this,

802
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:38,599
but there's no one within the agency with whom I

803
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:41,920
would rather have discussed a complex operational problem than Angleton.

804
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:48,280
Angleton's activities ranged from opening the mail of US citizens

805
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,480
to wire tapping the bedrooms of CIA officials. It was

806
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,400
his job to be suspicious of everybody, and he was

807
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:57,920
keeping a treasure trove of sensitive files and photos in

808
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,079
the locked fault in his office. Every morning at CIA,

809
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:03,960
he would personally report to Dulles on the results of

810
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,280
his quote fishing expeditions, as they call this electronic eavesdropping missions,

811
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,519
which picked up everything from gossip on the Georgetown party

812
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:18,119
circuit to Washington Billodstock. As Dulas was well rare, Angleton

813
00:58:18,159 --> 00:58:21,480
had even tucked away explicit secrets about the CIA director himself.

814
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:24,440
That is why Dullas had rewarded him with the most Well,

815
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,880
I disagree with this. That's not why Dallas rewarded him

816
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,119
with the most sensitive job. It's not like blackmail. It's

817
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:37,320
because he had like really full trust of Dulles. He

818
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,639
also like a lot of Angleton's coworkers, they were all

819
00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:47,199
Ivy League graduates. Engleton was a huge fan of Britain

820
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:50,440
and had attended the upper crust British boarding school Malvern,

821
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:57,679
and he worked a lot with British secret intelligence And

822
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:58,639
what else was there?

823
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:03,679
Speaker 3: Also why he didn't see Kim Philby coming?

824
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Philby is a little interesting. Let's see what

825
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,280
can I find about Philly m zoom in here?

826
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:24,679
Speaker 3: So for the listener, these people sound irrelevant, but these

827
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:30,800
people have far more to do with the with history

828
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:36,719
being created than really anybody in any elected or visible

829
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,480
position of power in either of these governments or any

830
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:46,719
of them. Frankly, Alan Dulles shaped world events, historical events,

831
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,719
far more than anyone in Congress, far more than any

832
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,920
individual army officer. General doesn't fucking matter, any president doesn't matter. Like,

833
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:58,159
these are the men that actually create history. This is

834
00:59:58,159 --> 01:00:00,599
why it's important to know them.

835
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 4: And it's it's even more interesting because generally most people

836
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,079
are aware of the fact that Eisenhower is not personally

837
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:12,320
going around approving all these foreign government interventions. I mean,

838
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,599
it's it's pretty standard knowledge nowadays that Dulls and the

839
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:20,800
agency were wholly responsible for all of this. But there's

840
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,079
this weird cognitive dissonance over the fact that something similar

841
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:27,400
could be happening today. That the people.

842
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:34,639
Speaker 3: How Eisenhower was the compromise between military intelligence and civilian intelligence,

843
01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:38,119
because who was at the height of their power after

844
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:42,519
World War Two? The military they frankly run American society,

845
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:46,000
They run the American political apparatus, right.

846
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:47,199
Speaker 2: It was.

847
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 3: He was the compromise between the two factions.

848
01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:55,599
Speaker 4: Exactly, And the CIA took a lot of ground from

849
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:59,559
the military element because of the Korean War, and you know,

850
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:03,599
a NiTi off the bat that the military intelligence component

851
01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:06,400
of it really dropped the ball on it because the

852
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,639
Koreans had been building up their forces for months before

853
01:01:09,639 --> 01:01:14,280
the invasion. But back to like Philby and Angleton, Yeah,

854
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:18,480
Philby and Engleton were both British schoolboys, you know they were.

855
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:21,880
They grew up together, and their families hang out and

856
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:26,639
uh would do dinner parties all the time. And one

857
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:31,000
thing that was Richard Helms was like a party to

858
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:33,719
both of these people, and he commented, Uh, I have

859
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,880
no doubt that the exposure of Kim Philby was lodged

860
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,159
in the deepest recesses of Jim's being if he were

861
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:43,559
the sort of Oh that's the separate part. Angleton told

862
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:45,920
a friend in British intelligence after the betrayal, quote, I

863
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:53,679
would kill Philby. The betrayal was painfully intimate. Let's see,

864
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:58,159
you know, there's a separate point. William Colby, who was

865
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:02,079
the guy who finally terminated Angleton's tenure in nineteen seventy five.

866
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:06,719
So Angleton's like active for a very long time. The

867
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,920
guy who terminated him said, quote, I couldn't find that

868
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:15,360
we ever caught a spy under Jim. So Angleton, you know,

869
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:18,639
was the mole hunter for decades within the CIA, and

870
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:24,199
he never caught a spy. Crazy crazy, He operated quote

871
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:27,480
a virtual CIA within the CIA, reporting and only to

872
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:39,400
Dulus himself. Let's see, big alcoholic Angleton was very much

873
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,880
into art and.

874
01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: What are their stuff? Was there he said?

875
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,119
Speaker 4: He said as part of his testimony before the Church

876
01:02:54,159 --> 01:02:57,800
Committee in the nineteen seventies, quote it is inconceivable that

877
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,880
his secret intelligence arm of the government has to come

878
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:05,159
apply with all the overt orders of the government. CIA

879
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,199
overseers were a priestly cast that must be allowed to

880
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,840
operate unfettered and above the law. What other stuff was there?

881
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:16,239
I don't want to like tread on ground from the

882
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,559
previous stream, But he worked on pursuing a CIA partnership

883
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:25,719
with the mafia with Cold War countries France, West Germany, Turkey, Taiwan,

884
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:31,760
and Israel. He had a special bond with the Israelis.

885
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:36,599
Speaker 3: And that's probably where you want to go next. But

886
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,159
because next comes with the Kennedy assassination.

887
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's see, I'd have to, I'd have to

888
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:48,239
pull up I I listened to the astral stream. I

889
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:51,480
didn't do too much research into Yeah, that's right.

890
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 3: Corey Hughes is an animal. He is probably the best

891
01:03:56,239 --> 01:03:58,039
on this. Dawson is really really good. But I don't

892
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:01,400
think anyone who's able to put it together as linearly

893
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:02,800
as Corey has.

894
01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll have to, I'll have to go through it

895
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:12,559
because I didn't. I didn't quite understand the the references

896
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:15,119
in there to mk Ultra and Oswald, like I can

897
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:17,719
understand the idea, like it fits very well into the

898
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,639
picture that you know, Oswald is not only a Patsy,

899
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,079
but perhaps could be a series.

900
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,599
Speaker 3: Of different for something else. Right, he doesn't have to

901
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:26,920
be involved to be a Patsy bro.

902
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean I.

903
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:33,239
Speaker 3: Think Oswald belonged was being groomed for something else by

904
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,400
another intelligence agency, probably the Pentagon related.

905
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 4: Well, the framing is that he would he would infiltrate

906
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,119
the Silvie Union. That was to be his assignment to

907
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:46,559
get closer within those communist circles. You know, they they

908
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:48,400
kind of made as I understand it from the stream,

909
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,239
they made up afterwards that he was a Communist and

910
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,199
like that's all bullshit, and almost everything about his life

911
01:04:54,199 --> 01:04:57,360
and his biography is contrived.

912
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,719
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's there's multiple ones, but it's basically some

913
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,119
of a project that got started very very very young.

914
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,920
So they're creating fake Oswald's when he was in still

915
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,880
finishing grade school for elementary school or sorry a high school,

916
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,599
I can't remember which.

917
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 4: And then his mother worked for like the Navy Intelligence

918
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:15,679
or something.

919
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:18,159
Speaker 3: Yes, Naval intelligence. A lot of the people associated and

920
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:20,800
adjacent Like so if I want to if I am

921
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,719
in a rivalry, right, and I want to, like, because

922
01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:29,599
the DD did not want Zionism, no, and how.

923
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,599
Speaker 4: Could you blame him? I mean, Zionism whacked the first.

924
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 3: Sectath yep, exactly, So if you're going to again, Oswald's

925
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,639
purpose has nothing. Oswald has no knowledge. You can literally

926
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:45,119
watch in the video of when basically somebody asked him

927
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:47,800
about like literally when he's being carried away, you can

928
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,519
see it dawn on his face that he got set up. Right,

929
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:56,519
somebody knew who Oswald was and picked him as the patsy.

930
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:01,719
He doesn't have to know he's the patsy. So if

931
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,880
I'm going to burn somebody, why would I burn one

932
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,079
of my guys and I can burn one of yours.

933
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 4: Yeah's I'm trying to just find a good section on it.

934
01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:20,559
Speaker 3: Remember I'm hanging the and this way, if anybody looks

935
01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:23,639
into him, they're gonna bump into your shit, not mine.

936
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 4: Uh the So I'm looking through the Talbot book for

937
01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:45,000
the GfK assassination stuff. Problem is is that there's just

938
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:47,760
so much material on it that it's hard to like

939
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:50,360
find good quotes.

940
01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:54,679
Speaker 3: We don't have to go into the assassination, but we

941
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:59,880
should go into how Dullas exited the CIA, why who

942
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,519
exited him, and what was immediately done after he exited,

943
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,280
and what did Alan Dulles do once he figured out

944
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:07,039
what had happened?

945
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 4: Uh? Sure, yeah, you'd I think You'll probably have to

946
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,679
take over the lead for it because most of the

947
01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:19,199
rest of my research is on the coups in Congo

948
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:24,800
and Iran and in Guatemalas. So I kind of left

949
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:29,559
the Kennedy assassination stuff. So if you want to cover it, well.

950
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:36,519
Speaker 3: We've thoroughly uh So. In James Jesus Angleton's tenure right

951
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:46,800
of not catching spies, he did, however, have a interesting

952
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:52,400
relationship which apparently no one bothered to look into, with

953
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:58,639
a florist that he would stop in every day on

954
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:03,039
his way home and talk to for two to three hours.

955
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:07,079
The FBI knew this, but in some of the recent

956
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:14,119
documents that have been declassified and released will be James

957
01:08:14,239 --> 01:08:19,960
Jesus Engleton going to the FBI saying, at the direct

958
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,560
request of the Director Dulles, anything that has to do

959
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:30,760
with Israeli intelligence or Israel whatsoever needs to come directly

960
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:35,800
to me and only to me. Nobody else in the CIA.

961
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,920
Bring all of the Israel shit to me. And this

962
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:46,000
is exactly what Alan Dulles wants, I promise. At the

963
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,560
same time as the FBI is noting that the CIA

964
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:56,520
fucking guy, he doesn't have many fucking flowers he doesn't

965
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:02,560
even have a garden. But day in day out he

966
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:07,800
stops by the florist on the way home and chats

967
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:18,920
for two hours, sometimes three, usually more than one. And

968
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:21,760
we never find out who owns that florist, not that

969
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,680
it would matter, not that it would be a real person,

970
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:27,680
not that it would lead anywhere, all right, so we'll

971
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,840
never know who was in that florist that he was

972
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:36,920
talking to, right, But what was what was James Jesus

973
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,199
Angleton's relationship with the State of Israel Philo.

974
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,239
Speaker 4: Well, as we as we covered in the first dream,

975
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:50,159
he was extremely connected with the Defense Secretary as well

976
01:09:50,199 --> 01:09:55,159
as the the head of the shin Bet within israel

977
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,359
I mean, and he was that's where he was.

978
01:09:57,399 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 3: The shin Bet.

979
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 4: The shin Bet is israel'smestic intelligence service, and they.

980
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 3: Are both foreign domestic intelligence. That's right, yes, okay, So

981
01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:12,520
basically the guy is a fucking and an asset of

982
01:10:14,319 --> 01:10:21,239
the Israeli intelligence agencies. Right, So I don't know what

983
01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:24,640
it is that James Jesus Angleton thinks he's rotting in

984
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,760
hell for. But again keep in mind that James Jesus

985
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:36,000
Angleton does not need to know the intentions of the

986
01:10:36,039 --> 01:10:42,960
Israeli state to be helpful to the Israeli state, just

987
01:10:43,119 --> 01:10:48,880
like Oswald, who put it together literally as the journalist is, like,

988
01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:51,439
when did you decide to kill Kennedy? And you just

989
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,119
see the fucking look on this guy's face, like, oh, motherfucker,

990
01:10:57,279 --> 01:11:01,439
I'm being set up. I know what this is. He

991
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,760
was clueless. He had no idea what those reporters wanted.

992
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:10,800
He had no idea about anything, all right, James Jesus

993
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:16,479
Angleton didn't need to know that he was helping a

994
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:22,760
foreign government kill his president. All he needed to know

995
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:27,119
was that he's helping a foreign government. Probably thought he

996
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:33,520
was helping a foreign government for whatever reasons they told him.

997
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:38,359
But basically so, just because he is involved in the

998
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,960
Kennedy assassination does not mean he knew what was happening.

999
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:49,199
He did know what happened afterwards. But then are you

1000
01:11:49,239 --> 01:11:54,600
going to run and say anything, No, because you're basically

1001
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,199
sworn to secrecy, whether you like it or not. Because

1002
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:01,439
to not be sworn to secrecy is to effectively indict

1003
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:05,079
yourself for treason, and you would be and especially right

1004
01:12:05,119 --> 01:12:07,640
after the president got killed, your ass would be shot.

1005
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,399
You wouldn't have a trial you wouldn't have anything. You

1006
01:12:10,399 --> 01:12:16,399
would have an accident or a suicide or something like that. Right,

1007
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,840
most cases of treason don't involve a trial or a

1008
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:25,399
tribunal or anything like that. When it comes to intelligent stuff.

1009
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:35,119
That person just dies. However mysteriously or unmysteriously it happens.

1010
01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:36,880
And that's what would have happened to Angleton if you

1011
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,600
were to have said, like, oh shit, I think that

1012
01:12:41,279 --> 01:12:43,560
I shouldn't have. I was giving these people information thinking

1013
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,159
it was for this, but turns out it's actually for this,

1014
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:49,319
and I think I did a bad thing. That's never

1015
01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:51,560
gonna happen. He's going to have to live with that

1016
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,920
every day till day dies, which it sounds like he did.

1017
01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:00,439
Unfortunately for us he didn't die sooner. But what did

1018
01:13:02,359 --> 01:13:05,119
what did Allan Dulles do? Because he was pushed out

1019
01:13:05,159 --> 01:13:15,840
of the CIA, all right, and like like Filo said,

1020
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,960
the man was running an intelligence agency inside the Central

1021
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:25,199
Intelligence Agency, mister mister Engleton, very busy guy, and according

1022
01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:29,880
to two of the sources that he referenced, he had

1023
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,000
material on Alan Dullis himself the head of the CIA.

1024
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:41,159
So between running an office inside an office and having

1025
01:13:41,239 --> 01:13:46,039
material on the current head of the Central Intelligence Agency.

1026
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,920
If there's anybody that could have pushed Alan Dulles out

1027
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,279
of the agency he created, because there's no way in

1028
01:13:51,399 --> 01:13:56,239
fucking hell that he would have decided to leave without

1029
01:13:56,279 --> 01:14:00,720
being pushed out. So who pushed him out? I don't know.

1030
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,399
Maybe the guy with the secret folder full of shit

1031
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:06,880
on him probably a good place to look. So what

1032
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:11,359
did Allendells do after he got pushed out? During the

1033
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,239
Everyone's like, oh well he Allendls was on the Warren Commission.

1034
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,439
No shit, right, no shit, he was on the Warren Commission.

1035
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:22,479
That doesn't make him complicit. You can be on the

1036
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,560
Warren Commission because the nation knows that you're the intelligence guy.

1037
01:14:27,159 --> 01:14:29,720
So if someone's going to make something believable, right, or

1038
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,880
actually because the Warren Commission, what's his name? Two members

1039
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,479
of the Warren Commission came out and said that their

1040
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,840
investigation was deliberately derailed and there's parts of the Warren

1041
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:44,159
Commission that's still classified. Right, So these guys just because

1042
01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:46,479
somebody's on the Warren Commission. This is the thing about

1043
01:14:48,079 --> 01:14:50,199
people need to be way when you look at stuff

1044
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:53,359
like this, anything intelligence related, anything like this, you have

1045
01:14:53,439 --> 01:15:00,840
to be way more fluid, right, Like you have to

1046
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,039
basically take everything that you see and then you look

1047
01:15:03,039 --> 01:15:05,560
at it from every single angle. Is it possible to

1048
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,800
be on the Warrant Commission and not be involved in

1049
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,199
the Kennedy assassination? Yes?

1050
01:15:09,239 --> 01:15:09,520
Speaker 2: It is.

1051
01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:17,079
Speaker 3: What was Alan Dllis doing well? I believe in the

1052
01:15:17,119 --> 01:15:22,560
book what was that book that you mentioned, Devil's Chessboard?

1053
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:27,840
I believe they document Alan Dallis, after being pushed out

1054
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:32,760
and immediately after the Kennedy assassination, basically recreating a mini

1055
01:15:33,279 --> 01:15:35,640
CIA in his living room full of only people that

1056
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,840
he trusted, imagining after just getting pushed out of the

1057
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,079
Central Intelligence Agency. That was a very small list of people.

1058
01:15:43,239 --> 01:15:47,159
But what were they investigating in Alan Dullis's living room

1059
01:15:47,239 --> 01:15:54,239
each day, all day? Probably piecing together what the fuck

1060
01:15:54,359 --> 01:15:57,960
just happened? Because if you just got pushed out of

1061
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,279
the CIA, and you know enough to know enough that

1062
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,119
some CIA people were involved in this, or at least

1063
01:16:06,119 --> 01:16:09,840
adjacent to it, you would probably try and get to

1064
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:14,079
the bottom of that, at least if no other reason

1065
01:16:16,239 --> 01:16:18,960
then to make up for being ignominiously thrown out of

1066
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:24,000
the thing you created and shamed. But probably for other reasons.

1067
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:33,520
I mean literally, I mean, John Foster was a part

1068
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:39,439
time Protestant theologian and Ellen John Foster's son is a

1069
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:43,560
very prominent Catholic was a very prominent Catholic bishop and

1070
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:48,119
imminent theologian. Like these men took their religious stuff very seriously.

1071
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,000
So if somebody just kills the president, you know you're

1072
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,239
going to try and get to the bottom of it,

1073
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,960
like you're not a fucking heathen, you know, it would

1074
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,439
be it would be a call to action for a

1075
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:07,479
man like Alan Dallas. So why didn't anything happen with that? Like,

1076
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,880
why did Alan Dellas just just stop? Well at that

1077
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,159
point in time, the uh, the man who was having

1078
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:24,960
an affair with the Israeli Burgoon terrorists, right and member

1079
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:30,840
of the Stern gang, right, I can't remember her name, right,

1080
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,199
But that guy is now in the fucking White House.

1081
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:40,720
He's the president. The Israeli asset now very very very guilty,

1082
01:17:41,079 --> 01:17:45,000
feeling very very very very nervous, probably very very very

1083
01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:51,079
very twitchy. James Jesus Angleton, the guy that pushed you

1084
01:17:51,119 --> 01:18:02,399
out is now running the CIA. So the president is

1085
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,399
nearest makes no difference in on it, and the guy

1086
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,760
that's run CIA now is nearest makes no difference in

1087
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,840
on it, and you're just an old man without a job,

1088
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,239
you know, playing CIA in your living room. It doesn't

1089
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:18,560
matter what you find, because someone's going to come up

1090
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,359
to you and have a conversation with you that says, hey,

1091
01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:22,720
like you need to just go be an old man now,

1092
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:28,239
or you're going to die. And that's what he did,

1093
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:36,039
and he died shortly after anyways, So I really think

1094
01:18:36,119 --> 01:18:42,920
it's uh. I really think the whole CIA killed or

1095
01:18:43,039 --> 01:18:45,960
was involved in any capacity officially as in like officially,

1096
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,199
as in like the organs of the CIA was involved

1097
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:52,199
in the Kennedy assassination needs to be put to bed.

1098
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,640
Alan Dulles being an evil man and involved in some

1099
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,680
way in the Kennedy assassination needs to be put to bed.

1100
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,880
Right the reason, I don't know if we talked on

1101
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:08,359
the first episode about the Kennedy and Dulles beef, Pilo.

1102
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 4: Kennedy and Dulles beef. Yeah, I mean Dullas hated Kennedy.

1103
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kennedy hated Dulles. But why I had nothing to

1104
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,159
do with the Vietnam War. Right, Everything that we have

1105
01:19:23,279 --> 01:19:27,920
from Kennedy, both internal White House transcripts, right recorded phone

1106
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:33,239
calls and official statements of Kennedy is that are now declassified.

1107
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,680
He was ramping up Vietnam. Kennedy never wanted to pull

1108
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,720
out a fucking Vietnam. That's a made up that's that's

1109
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:47,119
that's made up. Because you would need a reason for

1110
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:50,439
the beef, right, you need to point the finger somewhere else.

1111
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:54,399
Speaker 4: We Dulla Kennedy.

1112
01:19:55,119 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 3: Kennedy, Uh huh. Let me tell you exactly what he

1113
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:03,399
was naive about. The one thing that after the Cuban

1114
01:20:03,399 --> 01:20:09,079
missile crisis nuclear this is actually where why he Kennedy

1115
01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:15,079
was as committed besides the fact that besides the fact

1116
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,319
that his father, Joe Kennedy had a run in with

1117
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:24,479
the Focus Group in the UK prior to the outbreak

1118
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:28,960
of World War two right and was roundly squashed and

1119
01:20:29,159 --> 01:20:34,920
thrown out of his ambassadorial position by FDR because Joe

1120
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,039
Kennedy was screaming like, hey, why aren't the British doing peace?

1121
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,279
Why are they taking his offer? Like we're going to

1122
01:20:40,279 --> 01:20:41,880
start another world war, We're going to do it all

1123
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:46,159
over again, And the focus group was like, yeah, guy,

1124
01:20:46,199 --> 01:20:51,399
that's the fucking point. And turns out Joe Kennedy found

1125
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,319
out that FDR was already in on it. They're about it.

1126
01:20:55,880 --> 01:21:04,079
So Joe Kennedy like in his last years, had a

1127
01:21:04,119 --> 01:21:11,079
tremendous amount of resentment towards particularly design his outfit in

1128
01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:17,199
the United Kingdom, right the focus group that basically, I mean,

1129
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,800
he would actually send letters back and communications back saying

1130
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,199
that they were trying to that he thinks that they

1131
01:21:22,199 --> 01:21:26,720
were trying to poison him, and at one time he

1132
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:32,760
actually gets deathly ill and almost dies. Right he comes

1133
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,640
home to America shortly after he legitimately thought they were

1134
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,800
trying to kill him. Because Joe Kennedy was not on

1135
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,239
team Let's go World War two. He was on team

1136
01:21:42,319 --> 01:21:49,319
let's not do World War two. So Jack Kennedy had

1137
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:53,800
no real love for the Zionist cause to begin with,

1138
01:21:53,920 --> 01:22:00,680
but he's rather indifferent about it until the nukes stuff happened.

1139
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:10,199
Like I mean, Jack and Robert Kennedy like literally took

1140
01:22:10,199 --> 01:22:14,720
their kids to mass on Sunday I at the height

1141
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:20,000
of the Cuban missile crisis. I made sure every single

1142
01:22:20,039 --> 01:22:26,399
one of their kids got communion. And funny enough, Khrushchev's

1143
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:30,560
son will tell you that his dad did the exact

1144
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:35,520
same thing. Because both world leaders were thinking there's a fucking,

1145
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,359
very very very high probability that we're going to go

1146
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,000
like everything's we're all going to go to hell like now,

1147
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:51,520
nuclear hell fire tomorrow. And after that pass, Jack became

1148
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:58,680
very very serious in his nuclear anti proliferation. Like you know,

1149
01:22:59,239 --> 01:23:02,880
as I imagine, taking your kids to what you think

1150
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:06,199
was going to be their final communion will probably be

1151
01:23:06,279 --> 01:23:12,920
a formative experience in a father's life. I don't know.

1152
01:23:14,039 --> 01:23:20,720
I think so, because Jack Kennedy was literally going to

1153
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:25,600
the Soviet Union, his friend mister Khrushchev and saying, like,

1154
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:30,199
we need to do total nuclear disarmament. Khrushchev, at this

1155
01:23:30,279 --> 01:23:34,920
point in time now getting significant pushback from the Soviet

1156
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:42,680
defense establishment. Khrushchev was on board, but Khrushchef couldn't. Well

1157
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,399
that's put this like the Soviet military apparatus at this

1158
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,199
point in time is starting to have a lot more

1159
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:54,800
power than mister Khrushchev, and Khrushchev was not able to

1160
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,920
move the ball down the court. And I think you

1161
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,960
can look in the conversation the the what do you

1162
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:09,039
call it, the telex stuff? I can't remember. It's either

1163
01:24:09,079 --> 01:24:11,960
like the transcribed phone calls from the recorders in the

1164
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,880
White House or the telex I can't remember which whatever.

1165
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,600
They're going back and forth and Kennedy. Jack Kennedy's like, hey,

1166
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:25,720
so how about we just start disarming first, and that

1167
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:29,000
way you'll know that we're serious about it, and that

1168
01:24:29,039 --> 01:24:31,920
way you can go back to the military guys and say, look,

1169
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:36,720
there's the Americans are serious about it. And Alan Dulles

1170
01:24:39,119 --> 01:24:43,800
and the Joint chiefs of Staff found out about this,

1171
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,960
and they are not naive. They're like, are you out

1172
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:52,199
of your fucking mind, Like you're you're talking about like

1173
01:24:53,319 --> 01:24:55,439
you're going to try and you know, you're going to

1174
01:24:55,520 --> 01:25:00,399
destroy some of our missiles in hopes that that the

1175
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:09,960
Soviets do the same. Like I'm sorry. This is where

1176
01:25:10,359 --> 01:25:15,760
the beef came between the two. It had nothing to

1177
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:17,680
do with the Bay of Pigs, the whole Bay of

1178
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:23,600
Pigs conversation. As Corey Hughes documents extensively, the reason the

1179
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,600
Bay of Pigs failed had nothing to do with the CIA,

1180
01:25:28,039 --> 01:25:30,920
nothing to do with John F. Kennedy, had everything to

1181
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,600
do with those arms never fucking making it to Cuba

1182
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:38,960
in the goddamn first place. Where did they go The

1183
01:25:39,079 --> 01:25:41,920
arms that were supposed to go to the people in

1184
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,359
the Bay of that would be doing. The Bay of

1185
01:25:43,399 --> 01:25:47,279
Pigs never made it there because with the help of

1186
01:25:47,359 --> 01:25:50,880
James Jesus Angleton, they were going through an export import

1187
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:55,079
business in Virginia which I cannot remember the name of it,

1188
01:25:55,119 --> 01:26:00,399
but again Corey hughes documents extensively and being shipped to Israel.

1189
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:04,199
Those guns were going to Israel, and unfortunately none of

1190
01:26:04,199 --> 01:26:08,159
them ever made it to UH to Cuba. And that's

1191
01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:12,119
why the Bay of Pigs failed, because every fucking bullet

1192
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:16,279
and every gun ended up in the Levant and not

1193
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,720
on the shores of Cuba, which is where they were

1194
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:26,880
really sorely needed. So it wasn't the Bay of Pigs either,

1195
01:26:29,039 --> 01:26:34,479
It was the nukes. Kennedy in his naive little lefty

1196
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,079
brain because only wrong. If Kennedy didn't get his fucking

1197
01:26:37,119 --> 01:26:40,079
top blown off, every single one of us would have

1198
01:26:40,119 --> 01:26:44,319
hated him as much as we hate FDR. The only

1199
01:26:44,399 --> 01:26:47,159
reason that we have any nice things to say about

1200
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:50,720
him is frankly because our op, you know, killed him,

1201
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,159
and be we, at least me, I love America enough

1202
01:26:56,199 --> 01:26:58,399
to where nobody gets to fucking kill the president, no

1203
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:02,920
matter how fucking left he is, sure as how not

1204
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:07,960
some pissant state in them at least, But we would

1205
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:11,439
have hated our JFK like he would have been, like,

1206
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:15,479
we would have looked at him like a disaster. He

1207
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:20,279
was a naive leftist, like he literally thought that, well,

1208
01:27:21,039 --> 01:27:23,359
I just I think we could just make nukes go away,

1209
01:27:23,399 --> 01:27:25,319
maybe we can uninvent them, and the Soviets are going

1210
01:27:25,399 --> 01:27:28,920
to do it with us. Totally, this is actually gonna happen.

1211
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,520
And someone like Alan Dulles and someone like the guys

1212
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,800
in the Joint Chiefs of Staff would have thought that

1213
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:41,239
this man is absolutely insane. And that's exactly what they thought,

1214
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:44,279
and they sabotaged him every fucking chance that they got,

1215
01:27:45,279 --> 01:27:50,319
and they did sabotage him several times, some of them

1216
01:27:50,399 --> 01:27:57,039
leading to rather embarrassing moments. And that's why Jack Kennedy says,

1217
01:27:57,039 --> 01:27:59,199
I'm going to break the CIA into a million pieces,

1218
01:28:00,039 --> 01:28:01,960
because shortly before then they just made him look like

1219
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,319
a fucking retard in front of the Soviets while he's

1220
01:28:05,319 --> 01:28:07,960
trying to do this crazy idea of his that like

1221
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,479
we're just gonna wave the magic wand and the Communists

1222
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:12,319
are going to make all the nukes go away, and

1223
01:28:12,319 --> 01:28:15,800
we're going to make all of ours go away. So

1224
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:21,079
the whole fucking that's that's the dullest JFK beef has

1225
01:28:21,119 --> 01:28:24,760
nothing to do with Vietnam, has nothing to do with

1226
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,680
the Bay of Pigs. The Bay of Pigs has everything

1227
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:31,439
to do with somebody else, and it had everything to

1228
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,479
do with nukes, which is the same reason JFK was

1229
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,279
losing his fucking mind at was. It's monoc and Began.

1230
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:40,319
I always get I always get them confused. Is that

1231
01:28:40,359 --> 01:28:42,880
the one or is it Ben Gury and Ben Gury in.

1232
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,079
Speaker 4: Right well Minock and Began was a member of the

1233
01:28:46,119 --> 01:28:48,960
Year Gun and prime minister in the late seventies, and.

1234
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 3: Who is the one in the sixties when who is

1235
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,439
the one that the Kennedy letters or I think they're called,

1236
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,680
like the is the Israel letters or the Kennedy letters

1237
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,119
or whatever. The basically the telex fight that he was

1238
01:29:01,119 --> 01:29:03,079
having with the Israeli Prime Minister at the time about

1239
01:29:03,119 --> 01:29:05,720
the nuclear sites in Demono when he did, yeah, we

1240
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:06,359
know what you did.

1241
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 4: If if you give me a year, I could tell

1242
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:15,399
you a year. Yeah, like when the phone call happened. Sorry,

1243
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:21,279
oh no, no, like this would be oh shoot, Pete,

1244
01:29:21,279 --> 01:29:23,039
do you know when the Kennedy assassination took place. I

1245
01:29:23,039 --> 01:29:24,399
can't believe I'm fucking blanking on this.

1246
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 1: I thought you literally it was it was, it was

1247
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:33,279
in sixty three, but it wasn't. Ben Gurion prime minister.

1248
01:29:33,119 --> 01:29:33,600
Speaker 2: At the time.

1249
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:39,359
Speaker 3: Yes, So anybody that can go search the what is

1250
01:29:39,399 --> 01:29:42,920
it the what's the office, what's the place, what's the

1251
01:29:43,199 --> 01:29:45,159
It's not the Library of Congress. Who's the people that

1252
01:29:45,279 --> 01:29:46,840
keep the presidential records?

1253
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 1: The Office of the Historian one of the Yeah, the

1254
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,920
Office of the Historian. Yeah, holds letters. They have the

1255
01:29:55,039 --> 01:29:57,960
uh it's number three. I wait, letter from Prime Minister

1256
01:29:58,079 --> 01:30:02,079
Ben Gurion to President Kennedy June twenty fourth, nineteen sixty two.

1257
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have a whole bunch of them. This letter

1258
01:30:08,039 --> 01:30:11,239
war went back and forth and back and forth. And

1259
01:30:11,359 --> 01:30:15,159
anybody that reads those letters, if you think that these

1260
01:30:15,159 --> 01:30:19,920
two men, you know, I would say that as much

1261
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:26,760
as I think JFK hated him more than Donald Trump

1262
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:34,520
hates Benjamint and Yahoo, and that's quite a lot. I

1263
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:39,520
don't think there was a relationship, a diplomatic relationship that

1264
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,760
John F. Kennedy had with any other world leader that

1265
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,960
was as hostile as it was with the Prime Minister

1266
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:52,319
of Israel at the time because of nukes. And that's

1267
01:30:52,359 --> 01:30:55,600
also why I think, I don't know if Filo would

1268
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:57,600
you say, like that's the prime reason why that he

1269
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:59,079
got assassinated by them.

1270
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,520
Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's interesting because the whole talk of

1271
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:09,000
nukes and the president, you know Angleton being interviewed in

1272
01:31:09,039 --> 01:31:11,439
nineteen seventy five in the church community, he's he's bringing

1273
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:15,800
up Israel, he's bringing up nuclear weapons. I mean even

1274
01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:18,960
you know, at that point thirteen years later, it was

1275
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:25,279
still like the highlight of the congressional investigation into him.

1276
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,000
So I think there's there's very good supporting evidence of that.

1277
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:31,560
And also you have to track like the global trajectory

1278
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,119
of the acquisition of nukes. It's been it's been a

1279
01:31:34,119 --> 01:31:36,760
hot minute since I've researched this, but you know, first

1280
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:40,720
off it's the United States and then later the Soviet Union,

1281
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:44,439
I mean leaked through I think a British COMMI by

1282
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:48,840
a scientist was how it got to the It was

1283
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:50,520
nineteen forty nine.

1284
01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:54,119
Speaker 3: I know the person was it the Rose Was it

1285
01:31:54,159 --> 01:31:55,159
the Rosenbergs?

1286
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't matter.

1287
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,239
Speaker 3: They were the person that found or they were the

1288
01:31:59,279 --> 01:32:01,760
person that was running the cell that this person that

1289
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,520
was working at Los Alamos operated out.

1290
01:32:04,399 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 2: Of something like that.

1291
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:09,039
Speaker 4: But I do know that there's a lot of other

1292
01:32:09,079 --> 01:32:12,520
atomic stuff going through them. But then anyway, I think

1293
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:16,199
it's it's Brittain in it's France, and then UH Israel

1294
01:32:16,359 --> 01:32:19,680
one one one in one. Interesting.

1295
01:32:21,119 --> 01:32:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1296
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 4: One interesting thing from the nineteen seventy five interview is

1297
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:30,159
that Angleton says that right around the Suez Crisis, he's

1298
01:32:30,199 --> 01:32:34,039
having talks with UH. I can have to pull up

1299
01:32:34,039 --> 01:32:39,199
the damn source he's he's having talks on with like

1300
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:43,920
scientists UH that are that are working on the development

1301
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:48,199
of a nuclear material within Israel, because there's like a

1302
01:32:48,359 --> 01:32:52,239
dynamic of he's getting intelligence about the Soviet Union from

1303
01:32:52,239 --> 01:32:58,079
the Israelis, and then there's there's other nuclear related information

1304
01:32:58,199 --> 01:33:01,720
that passes through Israel's kind of an onto it. So

1305
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:06,439
a lot of internal speeches within the Soviet Union in

1306
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:10,359
the mid fifties are going through Israel. He's talking about.

1307
01:33:11,039 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the Televigenis apparatus was literally you know, these

1308
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:21,640
were these were former co workers, right. Granted, the Soviet

1309
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:23,680
Union would later turn on Israel.

1310
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 4: Oh totally. And Israel also was playing both sides, like

1311
01:33:28,079 --> 01:33:31,000
in israel I learned this that like that was not

1312
01:33:31,319 --> 01:33:32,760
was not what mindset right.

1313
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 3: Just type in now today, Just type in Pentagon or

1314
01:33:37,039 --> 01:33:42,600
US military. Pick an explicitive word that's similar to angry

1315
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:46,920
or whatever Israel, or type in just Israel cells US

1316
01:33:47,039 --> 01:33:51,520
military blank and then hit enter.

1317
01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:55,079
Speaker 4: And less none than that is Israel.

1318
01:33:55,079 --> 01:33:58,119
Speaker 3: Because China, this is the Chinese. This is how the

1319
01:33:58,199 --> 01:33:59,760
Chinese got ahold of the F twenty two.

1320
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 2: Right.

1321
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,239
Speaker 3: The only people we ever get like the F thirty

1322
01:34:03,239 --> 01:34:07,920
five is the fucking is the down syndrome you know, baby,

1323
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:11,319
that came after the F twenty two. Any fighter pilot

1324
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,159
that you know has the experience will tell you that

1325
01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:19,479
the F twenty two is the real deal. The F

1326
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,000
thirty five is a nightmare and a joke.

1327
01:34:23,319 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 4: Did you know that the you'd like this one? The

1328
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,800
F thirty five has an I variant with an Israel

1329
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,920
where they they have their own aircraft where they fitted

1330
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:36,000
out with all kinds of Israeli developed daviy ONYX and

1331
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:37,359
then send them back to But do you know.

1332
01:34:37,359 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 3: Why they're not allowed to have the F twenty two anymore?

1333
01:34:41,039 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 4: Probably because they sold every part of it to China.

1334
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,079
I would guess, yeah, to China.

1335
01:34:46,199 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so even popular Mechanics talks about it. Popular Mechanics

1336
01:34:53,880 --> 01:35:00,319
got invited to Beijing to witness this amazing fifth generation

1337
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:04,720
fighter that the Chinese had built. And what amazed popular

1338
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:10,199
Mechanics the most was this plane, this plane's avionics system.

1339
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:12,359
It wasn't the fact that it looks identical to the

1340
01:35:12,399 --> 01:35:17,479
F twenty two, literally identical. It was that the avionics

1341
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:28,000
equipment was still in English. We only gave I think

1342
01:35:28,039 --> 01:35:30,560
we only gave one or two, and I know we

1343
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:32,920
took one back, so I don't know where the other

1344
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:36,520
one went. And I don't know what Israel got in return,

1345
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:39,159
but I imagine quite a fucking lot.

1346
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's a good rabbit hole is the

1347
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,680
Israeli weapons industry and China and no one, no one

1348
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:52,880
knows about this, but it's it's openly discussed over there

1349
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,840
like that. That was touted as a as a big

1350
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,760
a big fact. Was like the uh you know like that,

1351
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:01,640
because that was a big deal at the time for

1352
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:03,079
the three years that I was there was you know,

1353
01:36:03,159 --> 01:36:07,680
Israel receives this F thirty five and ostensibly DoD tasks

1354
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:11,279
them to develop all the avionics within their own F

1355
01:36:11,319 --> 01:36:14,640
thirty five ivary and that they're going to keep but

1356
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,359
then send some of their tech back to the United

1357
01:36:17,399 --> 01:36:22,199
States to help, you know, further develop this technology that's

1358
01:36:22,279 --> 01:36:23,319
going on within there.

1359
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,159
Speaker 2: But you know, it's.

1360
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 3: A fucking pox on both our houses. Sorry, China pretty much.

1361
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:36,199
Speaker 4: There's also like yeah, there's a lot of a lot

1362
01:36:36,199 --> 01:36:38,560
of work within China the Israel soon and.

1363
01:36:39,119 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 3: So think about this, think about p you would probably

1364
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:47,319
know this. Do you remember what was it called? I

1365
01:36:47,319 --> 01:36:51,680
can't remember what the gate was. It happened shortly after

1366
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,439
the or shortly before the Lewinsky scandal.

1367
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 1: It was the bombing of the as This would be

1368
01:36:59,159 --> 01:37:04,560
after the bombing of the aspirin factory in UH Africa.

1369
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,279
Speaker 3: I can't I think I think no I was talking

1370
01:37:08,319 --> 01:37:12,279
about like the a K. The Chinese guns that were

1371
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:14,560
being that they got caught importing into the United States,

1372
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:18,399
like just like a big deal, Like there was like

1373
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:23,680
some millet, there was some Chinese ship. It had to

1374
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:26,279
do with that guy that the guy that was running

1375
01:37:26,319 --> 01:37:29,840
it uh at the time, the guy that was deeply

1376
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,439
involved in it was the same guy that killed himself

1377
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:36,159
by tying himself to a tree and then shooting himself

1378
01:37:36,199 --> 01:37:38,119
in the shock in the chest with a shotgun twice.

1379
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 2: I don't remember.

1380
01:37:42,199 --> 01:37:46,359
Speaker 3: It's like the it's like the most famous Clinton suicide here,

1381
01:37:46,359 --> 01:37:58,359
hold on, uh Clinton. Yeah, like there's just too much

1382
01:37:58,359 --> 01:38:03,039
shit in my brain. Ninety six campaign finance controversy. Yeah,

1383
01:38:03,239 --> 01:38:07,279
campaign China Gate. It's called I'm so fucking dumb. God

1384
01:38:07,319 --> 01:38:10,960
damn it. Oh man, that's hilarious.

1385
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 4: I have a quick quick side note on that earlier point.

1386
01:38:14,119 --> 01:38:18,000
I'm looking at the nineteen seventy five Church thing. Angleton says, quote,

1387
01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:21,199
you know, I'm talking about in terms of Israel talking

1388
01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:25,960
about the signal intelligence. Most of the information that we

1389
01:38:26,039 --> 01:38:29,359
gained from the surfaced air missiles which had a direct

1390
01:38:29,359 --> 01:38:32,399
bearing on you using B fifty twos in Vietnam, we

1391
01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:35,039
gained through Israel. We could read a whole lot of

1392
01:38:35,079 --> 01:38:38,159
the computerizing and so on of those SAMs, and therefore

1393
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:40,920
we were prepared to give highly sophisticated equipment to Israel

1394
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,680
to work against the Russian business in order to transfer

1395
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:47,199
the knowledge to Vietnam. And so this goes back, you know,

1396
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:52,640
sixty years of a kind of two way five way

1397
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:53,960
street or whatever.

1398
01:38:54,079 --> 01:38:56,239
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even say it's a five way street. That

1399
01:38:56,319 --> 01:38:58,680
sounds like somebody's gassing up a bunch of senators that

1400
01:38:58,720 --> 01:38:59,520
don't know any better.

1401
01:39:00,399 --> 01:39:07,600
Speaker 4: Maybe, Yeah, it's he's you know that the senators?

1402
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,159
Speaker 3: Well, here, let me tell you why Israelis is so important?

1403
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,560
You know, I'm sure I would love to hear what

1404
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:16,000
the senator's question that prompted that was.

1405
01:39:16,359 --> 01:39:21,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me mind it for you. Are you saying,

1406
01:39:21,279 --> 01:39:24,079
in effect then that any questions he raised with you

1407
01:39:24,119 --> 01:39:27,279
about the transfer of visual material or deeper technology or

1408
01:39:27,319 --> 01:39:31,039
manpower for that matter, to the Israeli government was couched

1409
01:39:31,039 --> 01:39:32,199
in cir Who is who?

1410
01:39:32,319 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 3: Who is who?

1411
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:34,399
Speaker 4: Senator?

1412
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 3: No, isn't like you said that any any intelligence or

1413
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,960
any anything here. Read read that first sentence.

1414
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 4: Again, Senator Tower to mister Engleton, are you saying an

1415
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:49,520
effect then that any questions he raised with you about

1416
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:50,960
the transfer of visual material?

1417
01:39:51,359 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 3: Who is the he?

1418
01:39:53,319 --> 01:39:53,640
Speaker 2: Uh?

1419
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:55,560
Speaker 4: That is mister Schwartz.

1420
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:57,079
Speaker 3: I bet it's dolls.

1421
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a there's an inve Jewel named mister Schwartz.

1422
01:40:03,279 --> 01:40:06,439
This is talking about Israeli government technical assistance.

1423
01:40:07,319 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 2: Schwartz.

1424
01:40:08,199 --> 01:40:11,119
Speaker 4: Schwartz's Irish, Irish Irish.

1425
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 3: I wonder if he's a flower shop.

1426
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 4: You patron, Yeah, did you confirm to sol a different

1427
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:22,520
guy during the late fifties subsequent to the sUAS War,

1428
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,800
that the CIA made available to the Israeli government technical

1429
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:29,439
assistance in the availability of one or more distinguished nuclear

1430
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:34,039
scientists or physicists for the purpose of developing atomic weapons.

1431
01:40:34,079 --> 01:40:38,720
Mister Angleton, that is completely false. But we know it's true.

1432
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:42,119
Speaker 3: Oh so it wasn't It wasn't. I guess they couldn't

1433
01:40:42,119 --> 01:40:45,760
even after they stole the uranium and stole the By

1434
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:48,560
the way, Benjamin net and Yahoo everybody makes his first

1435
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,960
appearance his first time to the US was not, unfortunately,

1436
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:58,000
to testify as a Iranian nuclear weapons expert like he

1437
01:40:58,119 --> 01:41:00,560
does in his role as Prime Minister every ten minutes,

1438
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:06,800
and not his appearance on the fouls on the Florid

1439
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:10,840
Congress as a terrorism expert, as he did shortly after

1440
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:15,319
nine to eleven, and also a terrorism expert before he

1441
01:41:15,319 --> 01:41:18,920
was even prime minister. He was the terrorism expert after

1442
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:27,319
WTC the first time ninety three. But his first, his

1443
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:32,399
first escapades in America had nothing to do with lying

1444
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:36,520
to our congress people, which is his seemingly his career now.

1445
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:43,159
It was stealing critron triggers, which are the triggers for

1446
01:41:43,279 --> 01:41:49,159
nuclear weapons in the naval facilities in California at the

1447
01:41:49,159 --> 01:41:57,000
same time his co ethno religiousists I would say co ethnics,

1448
01:41:57,039 --> 01:41:59,000
but depending on who you ask or when you ask,

1449
01:41:59,399 --> 01:42:04,159
it's a religion and so cover on my basis, while

1450
01:42:04,199 --> 01:42:09,800
they were stealing nuclear material out of the naval facility

1451
01:42:10,079 --> 01:42:15,479
in New Mech, Pennsylvania. So between the two you got

1452
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,640
both half of both halves of a nuclear bomb. And

1453
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:22,439
it was actually the mob the guys like Meyer Lanski

1454
01:42:23,319 --> 01:42:25,359
that made sure that nuclear material made it out of

1455
01:42:25,399 --> 01:42:29,319
the United States. I mean, when you find out how

1456
01:42:29,319 --> 01:42:31,960
they were shipping it, I'm sure a whole bunch of random,

1457
01:42:32,079 --> 01:42:37,199
nice people got radiation poisoning mysteriously. It was really fucking gross.

1458
01:42:37,279 --> 01:42:40,960
Don't expect the mobsters to take a lot of precautions.

1459
01:42:41,239 --> 01:42:44,520
But anyways, do you have a challenge. What you're telling

1460
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:46,640
me is that even with those two things, they still

1461
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:50,159
couldn't get it to work. And James Jesus Angleton had

1462
01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:53,000
to make sure that they got nuclear experts too. So

1463
01:42:53,079 --> 01:42:58,600
this is after JFK. This is after So why would

1464
01:42:59,199 --> 01:43:07,680
the Israeli new gular program and James Jesus Angleton and

1465
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:11,399
the Suez crisis be relevant at all? To the Warrant

1466
01:43:11,399 --> 01:43:20,239
Commission unless nuclear weapons, the Israeli nuclear weapons program was

1467
01:43:20,279 --> 01:43:24,840
not very, very, very important to the Kennedy assassination. And

1468
01:43:25,039 --> 01:43:28,279
I think you will get the impression when you read

1469
01:43:28,319 --> 01:43:36,520
those those letters back and forth between Ben Gurion and JFK,

1470
01:43:39,119 --> 01:43:43,760
you come away with an idea that they already the

1471
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:47,359
Israelis already planned are they already knew who they were

1472
01:43:47,359 --> 01:43:50,520
planning on using these weapons against, And I think that

1473
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:55,199
was the Egyptians. They were going to nuclear first strike them.

1474
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:58,199
Instead they did a surprise attack, like hey, we're not

1475
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:02,199
at war, Oh surprise, you're war with us today with

1476
01:44:02,319 --> 01:44:05,600
fighter jets. That's the only reason that Israel didn't get

1477
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,960
wiped off the face of the earth by the Egyptian army,

1478
01:44:09,399 --> 01:44:12,399
which it actually still very well made, by the way,

1479
01:44:14,359 --> 01:44:18,079
was because the Israelis, without declaring war or really any

1480
01:44:18,119 --> 01:44:24,000
hostilities or any real intent whatsoever, decided to just send

1481
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:31,680
literally every fighter aircraft they had and surprise the Egyptians

1482
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:34,079
and shoot all of their planes while they were still,

1483
01:44:34,359 --> 01:44:39,000
you know, not at war, hanging out on the ground.

1484
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:42,960
I don't think that was the because they didn't know

1485
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:48,640
that the Egyptian air defenses weren't going to be activated

1486
01:44:49,159 --> 01:44:52,479
the way they were. Right, the Israelis had to assume

1487
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:55,680
that they would have lost a tremendous amount more fighter aircraft,

1488
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:58,640
and the Israelis had to assume that they wouldn't have

1489
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:02,079
been as successful as they were at nailing those fighter

1490
01:45:02,119 --> 01:45:07,239
craft on the ground. Right. I bet you Israel was

1491
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:11,000
more surprised than anyone that they got that many Egyptian

1492
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:16,640
fighter craft, uh, you know, caught them sleeping on the ground. Well, granted,

1493
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:19,600
it's not really the Egyptian's fault if you don't know

1494
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:21,920
that you're at war in your next if you think

1495
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:27,800
of Canada anyways, right, because I meaning on nuclear first striking.

1496
01:45:29,119 --> 01:45:30,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, the wait wait wait.

1497
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:33,039
Speaker 3: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait? Who

1498
01:45:33,239 --> 01:45:36,439
was I mean? Actually, Pete, I believe you have at

1499
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:42,119
least two episodes on this. Who was Egypt's ally?

1500
01:45:42,399 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 2: Oh?

1501
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:47,359
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's easy, the big guy Union y.

1502
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:54,239
Speaker 3: It was the Soviet Union's largest ally in the region,

1503
01:45:55,319 --> 01:45:59,359
and I believe they shouldn't be too hard to find.

1504
01:46:00,319 --> 01:46:07,199
I believe at least one instance that the premiere of

1505
01:46:07,239 --> 01:46:13,920
the Soviet Socialist Republics, mister Khrushchev or either khrushcheff ort.

1506
01:46:14,199 --> 01:46:20,520
Actually Krushchev was ousted shortly after JFK, but so it

1507
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:23,359
maybe either Khrushchev or the guy that followed him that

1508
01:46:24,279 --> 01:46:30,079
any attack on Egypt would be viewed by the Soviet

1509
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:34,439
Union as an attack on the Soviet Union. The Soviet

1510
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:42,520
Union wasn't retarded. They knew how important Suez was. So basically,

1511
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:47,239
what Israel was trying to do was start World War

1512
01:46:47,319 --> 01:46:52,600
three with nukes, and they were perfectly okay with that

1513
01:46:55,800 --> 01:47:01,079
if it meant greater Israel. The only reason I go

1514
01:47:01,159 --> 01:47:07,199
off on that tangent, dear listener, is because it is

1515
01:47:07,239 --> 01:47:12,359
a very useful lens to apply to the Middle East today.

1516
01:47:14,079 --> 01:47:19,560
So if Israel was perfectly okay, granted they thought the

1517
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:21,880
US was going to get involved. They thought if the

1518
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:25,199
US got involved, that the Soviet nukes would fly at

1519
01:47:25,239 --> 01:47:29,399
the US and not at their little tiny state in

1520
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:35,560
the Middle East. We would be the bullet magnets. But

1521
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:41,319
with nukes, they were perfectly okay starting nuclear war to

1522
01:47:41,359 --> 01:47:45,359
get greater Israel. Because this point in time, the Soviet

1523
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:50,199
Union was very very very clear that anybody that attacked

1524
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:56,479
Egypt would be at war with the Soviet Union. So

1525
01:47:56,680 --> 01:48:01,920
basically JFK was literally looking at Cuban missile crisis two

1526
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:05,600
point zero. Nobody just we just didn't know it yet.

1527
01:48:07,319 --> 01:48:10,119
So if Israel's willing to literally light the world on

1528
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:15,560
fire using nuclear health fire to you know, satiate their

1529
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:24,520
territorial expansion desires, everybody needs to be well aware that

1530
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:26,479
they would be they would be more than willing to

1531
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:31,239
do it again. So there really is no geopolitical fallout

1532
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:36,600
that these people are not willing to risk, whether it's

1533
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:40,199
to them or whether it's to us, or to really

1534
01:48:40,239 --> 01:48:43,279
to anybody. Right, there's no nukes in the Middle East

1535
01:48:43,319 --> 01:48:51,560
now except for theirs, But when the Soviets would have

1536
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:55,560
fired nukes at them, they were still willing to do it.

1537
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:00,960
So really there's really nothing they're not willing to do now,

1538
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:02,880
considering they're the one with all the nukes in the

1539
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:08,199
region except for Turkey. So I think that's actually apparently

1540
01:49:08,199 --> 01:49:09,920
we're right back where we fucking started.

1541
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:22,520
Speaker 4: In addition to spending the last you know, thirty maybe

1542
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:28,760
longer years trying to destroy yourn YEP and that's still

1543
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:33,800
like even like last week, the the D and I

1544
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:37,720
put out the twenty twenty five Threat Landscape and that

1545
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:40,159
you know number one threat outside of you know, China

1546
01:49:40,279 --> 01:49:43,199
Rush or whatever is you're on. You know it gets

1547
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:45,079
it's just the same thing every single year.

1548
01:49:45,119 --> 01:49:49,319
Speaker 3: It's that's right. Don't pay too much attention to don't

1549
01:49:49,319 --> 01:49:52,520
pay attention to to dn I that much. You're basically

1550
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:55,880
hearing the CIA and the CIA is nearest, makes no difference,

1551
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:59,720
fully fully zogged right. Pay attention to what comes out

1552
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:05,600
of the Defence Department, Defense Department prior to October seventh,

1553
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:10,920
and there is ample policy documents from many many, many

1554
01:50:11,039 --> 01:50:15,680
army and navy and stuff war colleges to start pulling

1555
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:18,239
troops out of the Middle East. And what do you know,

1556
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:23,840
You can judge how serious they were about it by

1557
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:28,119
the level of covetching against it. So if the Pentagon

1558
01:50:28,399 --> 01:50:32,359
wasn't serious, everybody should go to their search engine, do

1559
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:38,039
go to settings and go to select time and scroll

1560
01:50:38,079 --> 01:50:41,359
the clock back before October seventh and type in Pentagon

1561
01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:45,000
pulling out of the Middle East, or Pentagon plants to

1562
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:50,439
pull out the Middle East, whatever, and you will have

1563
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:55,399
to go through three or four pages of Foreign Policy Magazine,

1564
01:50:55,720 --> 01:51:01,920
the Atlantic Council on Foreign Relations chatam this fucking place,

1565
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:05,279
this other fucking place, doesn't matter. Just every single one

1566
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:08,800
all the way on the line about how it will

1567
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:12,640
be an absolute disaster if the Pentagon pulls out of

1568
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:17,079
the Middle East. Well, let's just say the Pentagon never

1569
01:51:17,119 --> 01:51:22,399
said that. Hypothetically, Let's just do the counterfactual and say, like,

1570
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:25,880
the Pentagon wasn't planning on doing that, then why the

1571
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:29,800
fuck are you guys screaming about it so loudly? Why

1572
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:31,840
are you screaming about how this thing will be a

1573
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:36,000
disaster that no one's talking about doing and no one's

1574
01:51:36,039 --> 01:51:42,239
serious about doing. Oh, that's because they are serious about

1575
01:51:42,279 --> 01:51:45,680
doing it, and we're all right. Pentagon has done three

1576
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:49,840
separate war games, two of which were with the IDF

1577
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:55,159
about joint attacks and not just fighters and not just

1578
01:51:55,279 --> 01:51:58,239
you know, missiles. But actually, I think one of them

1579
01:51:58,279 --> 01:52:02,239
is called the war game is called like Archangel or

1580
01:52:02,279 --> 01:52:05,600
something basically something to do with the Archangel, Michael, I

1581
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:09,840
can't remember which, right, And the US and Israel lose,

1582
01:52:12,119 --> 01:52:18,479
and they lose within three weeks, and the Pentagon doesn't

1583
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:23,439
like to lose. Same reason why. And this is why

1584
01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:29,960
it's important to think about the two intelligence apparatuses, one

1585
01:52:30,199 --> 01:52:36,359
military and the other one's civilian. Right because like Filo said,

1586
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:40,600
the head of the CIA is the third most powerful

1587
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:48,720
person in government. The military number two is well, the

1588
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:54,600
military isn't in government. The military is its own thing.

1589
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:58,640
The military doesn't have elections. So people aren't appointed unless

1590
01:52:58,640 --> 01:53:01,159
you think the people that the present is a points

1591
01:53:01,239 --> 01:53:03,640
the changes every four years, unless you think those people

1592
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:07,039
actually run shit. And I'd be like telling me Joe

1593
01:53:07,039 --> 01:53:10,840
Biden ran shit, he didn't, or who is it that

1594
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:14,720
black guy, the guy that the guy that, Yeah, the

1595
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:17,720
guy had disappeared for literally eight months, and not only

1596
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:20,680
did his secretary not know or his deputy not know,

1597
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:25,479
but his deputy didn't care, and really nobody else cared.

1598
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:30,520
So if the person that the that the president appoints

1599
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:36,039
to oversee the Pentagon can fuck off and literally disappear

1600
01:53:36,119 --> 01:53:38,760
in like a private cancer clinic for eight months and

1601
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:42,520
nobody gives a shit or notices, how much do you

1602
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:45,960
think that that position actually controls shit at the Pentagon?

1603
01:53:47,239 --> 01:53:52,960
Not very much so. The war in Ukraine is a

1604
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:57,199
perfect example of this. It is clear anybody that was

1605
01:53:57,199 --> 01:54:01,119
paying attention, it looked like there was the Russians versus

1606
01:54:01,159 --> 01:54:06,439
the Ukrainians, and there was our government versus itself, right,

1607
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:08,439
one half of the government was like, We're going to

1608
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:10,960
go to a war in Ukraine against Russia tomorrow.

1609
01:54:13,279 --> 01:54:13,439
Speaker 2: Right.

1610
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:19,520
Speaker 3: In fact, actually President Biden said in Poland, hey, you

1611
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:23,680
boys talking to American troops this time next year, And

1612
01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:25,199
it was actually close to the end of the year,

1613
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:27,760
or he said, he just said next year, right, this

1614
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:29,159
will be like two or three months at the end

1615
01:54:29,159 --> 01:54:31,520
of the year. Next year, you guys are going to

1616
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:39,000
be fighting in Ukraine, all right. State departments like, yeah,

1617
01:54:39,399 --> 01:54:44,239
very next day, somebody from the Joint chiefs of Staff.

1618
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:47,800
I mean, how many public media press conferences have you

1619
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,560
heard from the Joint chiefs of staff before? Personally, that

1620
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:54,319
was the first one I've ever fucking heard of. But

1621
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:58,319
Joint chiefs of Staff want staff press conference, and Joint

1622
01:54:58,359 --> 01:55:01,159
chief of Staff says, everything that guy just said is bullshit.

1623
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:05,720
It's a very strange thing to say about the commander

1624
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:12,800
in chief. And the very next day after that, the

1625
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:19,399
president's fucking melanated mouthpiece comes out and says, yeah, everything

1626
01:55:19,439 --> 01:55:21,960
the the president said the other day, sorry about that

1627
01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:26,319
guy is bullshit. I've never seen that ever before in

1628
01:55:26,319 --> 01:55:38,359
my life. So yeah, Da sorry is zogged. CIA, Sorry

1629
01:55:38,439 --> 01:55:44,159
is zogged. But the thing to keep in mind is

1630
01:55:44,199 --> 01:55:48,520
that everybody in the Biden administration, all of the appoint

1631
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:51,319
like the cabinet positions, the people that actually ran the government,

1632
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:54,880
seventy percent of them hold dual citizenship with the nation

1633
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:57,279
in the Middle East, and really really really really like

1634
01:55:57,359 --> 01:56:00,880
their ethnic homeland of Ukraine, and they really really wanted

1635
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:03,720
to go to war in Ukraine. So if the president

1636
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:08,560
is a vegetable, and the cabinet actually runs the government

1637
01:56:10,079 --> 01:56:13,239
and the intelligence agency wants to go to war in Ukraine,

1638
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:18,439
and all of the people that run the Biden government, right,

1639
01:56:18,479 --> 01:56:20,680
all of the important cabinet officials, from the fucking head

1640
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:24,479
of the secretary or the treasury secretary, it says, oh, yeah,

1641
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:27,079
I know we have this hyperinflation problem, boys and girls,

1642
01:56:27,079 --> 01:56:28,960
but we still have money to go to war in Ukraine.

1643
01:56:30,239 --> 01:56:34,239
Anthony Blincoln, all the way down the line. So if

1644
01:56:34,520 --> 01:56:37,199
all of zog says that we're going to go to

1645
01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:41,079
war in Ukraine, but yet somehow we're not at war

1646
01:56:41,119 --> 01:56:47,239
in Ukraine, how is no one talking about that. All

1647
01:56:47,239 --> 01:56:50,840
of the people that hold all the positions of power. Apparently,

1648
01:56:51,479 --> 01:56:55,279
if these are the positions of power, they want to

1649
01:56:55,319 --> 01:57:00,199
go to war in Ukraine. But we're not in or

1650
01:57:00,439 --> 01:57:04,239
in Ukraine, and all those same fucking people want to

1651
01:57:04,239 --> 01:57:08,680
go to war against Iran, and we're not at war

1652
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:15,560
with Iran. So there is obviously right like, how do

1653
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:19,039
you know what black hole is? Somewhere? You can't actually

1654
01:57:19,039 --> 01:57:23,159
see the black hole. You can only figure out the

1655
01:57:23,159 --> 01:57:26,520
black holes there by watching the effect of its gravity

1656
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:32,600
on the things around it. There's something else there, and

1657
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:36,399
it's not the CIA, because CIA they really want war

1658
01:57:36,399 --> 01:57:41,079
in Ukraine. So I think, I think, I mean, it's

1659
01:57:41,079 --> 01:57:44,399
a weird way to end it out. But unfortunately that

1660
01:57:44,439 --> 01:57:47,520
other place, I think the Office of Naval Intelligence viewed

1661
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:53,840
my guess, considering they pre date the CIA by I

1662
01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:58,880
don't know, eighty years, that'd probably be where i'd look,

1663
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:02,760
And I think that's where you see the kind of

1664
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:06,000
war within our government that doesn't seem to have eased

1665
01:58:06,079 --> 01:58:12,760
up any That was a ridiculous tangent.

1666
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:19,920
Speaker 1: Sorry, guys, I mean I had let's do this, filos,

1667
01:58:20,760 --> 01:58:23,039
how do you want to wrap this up? I'll give

1668
01:58:23,079 --> 01:58:25,800
you the floor, Stormy. You can insurject any way you want.

1669
01:58:26,479 --> 01:58:30,800
Speaker 4: I figure, I figure there's two ways. The first is

1670
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:33,079
I mean, I'd love to get kind of the current

1671
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:37,079
Stormy's current opinion on the Trump administration, and you know,

1672
01:58:37,119 --> 01:58:43,680
foreign policy generally, alternatively, we didn't touch Guatemala and United

1673
01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:46,640
Free Company, but that might be too big of a

1674
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:50,279
subject to wrap things. I would just it would just be.

1675
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:53,640
Speaker 1: That that should actually be separate, because that's not only

1676
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:54,800
the CIA.

1677
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:59,359
Speaker 4: Right, that's Brene's and all the other stuff. That would

1678
01:58:59,399 --> 01:59:02,439
be my prefer would be, you know, I can understand

1679
01:59:02,439 --> 01:59:05,920
the Biden administration their stance on foreign intervention, the five

1680
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:13,239
hundred ish dual citizens or ethnic representations, but you know

1681
01:59:13,279 --> 01:59:16,960
they're on the one hand, seven languages, but go on

1682
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:20,159
seven hundred. On the one hand, the language from the

1683
01:59:20,159 --> 01:59:26,560
administration is changing on Ukraine, but on the other the Iran,

1684
01:59:27,439 --> 01:59:30,479
the pro Israel element of it. I mean, does that

1685
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:37,439
does that shape towards like a renewed effort on that

1686
01:59:37,560 --> 01:59:41,600
intervention or is that just the same policy line that

1687
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:44,720
the right's been trotting out for thirty years? You know

1688
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:45,920
what will that eventually?

1689
01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:50,600
Speaker 3: The way I see it is that in Ukraine, what Trump,

1690
01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:54,000
Donald Trump wants first right now is Ukraine? Right? You

1691
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:57,840
want Ukraine to end? What leverage does Donald Trump have

1692
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:04,279
over Vladimir Putin in Ukraine? The answer is none. Literally,

1693
02:00:04,279 --> 02:00:06,760
Putin holds all the fucking cards. We can't escalate, we

1694
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:10,079
can't ratch it, we literally can't do fuck all to

1695
02:00:10,159 --> 02:00:17,239
influence him into basically at least making it look like

1696
02:00:17,319 --> 02:00:19,600
we could both chalk up a win. You know, when

1697
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:22,399
you want to, like if you want things tonight not escalate, Like, hey,

1698
02:00:22,399 --> 02:00:23,840
what do you need to so you can go home

1699
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:26,239
to your people and say that this was a win

1700
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:28,520
and this is what we need to go home to

1701
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:33,760
our people to not get fucking just excoriated. He has

1702
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:36,319
no leverage over Putin at all, but he really needs

1703
02:00:36,359 --> 02:00:41,000
this to stop because if he doesn't, I mean, I

1704
02:00:41,039 --> 02:00:43,600
know I've talked to this with, talked about this with Pete,

1705
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:45,079
and I know Fi the way I've talked to this with,

1706
02:00:45,239 --> 02:00:50,359
talked about this with you privately. The European nations like

1707
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:54,279
will go do the stupid thing, because it's either they

1708
02:00:54,359 --> 02:00:57,359
go do the stupid thing or they have a lot

1709
02:00:57,359 --> 02:01:01,520
of explaining to do at home when their government defaults

1710
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:03,239
on all that stat and goes bankrupt or whatever.

1711
02:01:04,159 --> 02:01:06,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, the UK and France issue in all kinds of

1712
02:01:06,199 --> 02:01:09,680
statements about they're gonna launch a millionary and everything.

1713
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy, bro, Germany just sent troops for the very

1714
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:16,560
first time outside of German border since since Operation Barbarossa.

1715
02:01:17,119 --> 02:01:19,840
Speaker 4: And what happens when they get killed, you know, or.

1716
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:21,560
Speaker 3: They put them they put them on the Russian border.

1717
02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:22,399
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

1718
02:01:23,079 --> 02:01:25,439
Speaker 3: The new guy, the new chancellor to replace Schultz, is

1719
02:01:25,479 --> 02:01:31,560
even more fucking insane, Like actually an insane person. I

1720
02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:34,880
would say that the Europeans have gotten even more insane

1721
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:36,439
with escalation.

1722
02:01:36,600 --> 02:01:39,000
Speaker 1: Dude, I don't know what. I don't know what fucking

1723
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:45,920
I don't know what demon is causing this. But that's

1724
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:48,279
all I've been talking about lately with you know, in

1725
02:01:48,319 --> 02:01:53,199
my private in my private chats with people, is there's

1726
02:01:53,239 --> 02:01:56,399
a demon that has control over millions of people right

1727
02:01:56,439 --> 02:02:01,560
now in Europe and they're they're bringing it down upon themselves.

1728
02:02:01,680 --> 02:02:04,560
And yeah, it's like some of the stuff that we've

1729
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:08,760
talked about privately. It's uh, it's going to be hell.

1730
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:13,880
Speaker 4: I mean, it's obvious. But there is no strategic reason

1731
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:19,520
to send any Western European military into Ukraine. There is

1732
02:02:19,680 --> 02:02:23,800
just not any kind of rational or political or even

1733
02:02:24,039 --> 02:02:28,520
economic reason I would argue to justify it if.

1734
02:02:28,439 --> 02:02:32,199
Speaker 3: You're worried about staying in power, because how does it

1735
02:02:32,319 --> 02:02:35,720
how does it collapse happen? How does it real? Quick?

1736
02:02:37,039 --> 02:02:39,640
I don't want to dodge your question. On Iran, they

1737
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:41,720
have I ran in Russia have a mutual defense pack,

1738
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:42,159
do they not?

1739
02:02:45,319 --> 02:02:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1740
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:47,479
Speaker 4: They do, and they also have a lot of natural

1741
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:49,159
gas ties, if I recall correctly.

1742
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:56,239
Speaker 3: Yes, So by leaning on Iran, mister Trump has found

1743
02:02:56,279 --> 02:03:00,399
a lever in which he can exert some put back

1744
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:06,159
against mister Vladimir Putin. He can't escalate in Ukraine, he

1745
02:03:06,199 --> 02:03:09,079
can't posture in Ukraine, but he damn sure can do

1746
02:03:09,119 --> 02:03:15,880
it in Iran. And the Russians know that a large

1747
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:20,039
portion of the Congress, right the State of Israel and

1748
02:03:20,199 --> 02:03:23,039
all of their far reaching tentacles, very very very much

1749
02:03:23,359 --> 02:03:26,279
want Donald Trump to go to war with Iran. So

1750
02:03:26,359 --> 02:03:29,039
if Donald Trump threatens to go to war with Iran,

1751
02:03:29,279 --> 02:03:33,319
that is a very credible threat. So now the man

1752
02:03:33,319 --> 02:03:36,079
that has no leverage all of a sudden found some.

1753
02:03:42,239 --> 02:03:44,000
So I don't know if that's actually what he's doing,

1754
02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:49,399
but all the John Meersheimer's, all the fucking David Sachs,

1755
02:03:49,439 --> 02:03:51,760
all these other fucking assholes will tell you all day

1756
02:03:51,800 --> 02:03:57,079
about how Donald Trump has absolutely no leverage against Russia

1757
02:03:57,239 --> 02:03:59,079
and that how they just need to do exactly as

1758
02:03:59,119 --> 02:04:03,359
Russia says and just fuck off and don't be wrong.

1759
02:04:03,399 --> 02:04:04,800
I think we should fuck off and we shouldn't have

1760
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:07,159
been there in the first place. But to pretend to

1761
02:04:07,199 --> 02:04:10,239
be like some geopolitical analysts, you know, going on the

1762
02:04:10,279 --> 02:04:13,600
Duran and do whatever fucking song and dance you do,

1763
02:04:13,720 --> 02:04:16,920
David Sacks, You're supposed to be a smart man. And

1764
02:04:17,279 --> 02:04:21,239
if some half retarded and on can figure out what

1765
02:04:21,319 --> 02:04:25,560
a mutual defense pact means, right since you fucking assholes

1766
02:04:25,560 --> 02:04:27,800
have been screaming about mutual defense packs in NATO and

1767
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:30,800
Article five for forever, like this shouldn't be rocket science.

1768
02:04:33,039 --> 02:04:34,920
So I don't know if that's what Donald Trump's doing,

1769
02:04:36,039 --> 02:04:38,760
but if the man would be searching for levers to

1770
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:42,159
exert on Vladimir Putin in some way, shape or form.

1771
02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:45,640
None of those levers exist in Ukraine, but they do, however,

1772
02:04:46,359 --> 02:04:47,479
exist in Iran.

1773
02:04:50,279 --> 02:04:51,640
Speaker 4: I also want to add to that.

1774
02:04:52,199 --> 02:04:54,880
Speaker 3: Something bad has happened in Europe and I don't like it.

1775
02:04:55,079 --> 02:05:00,520
And capital markets wise, Martin Armstrong's never wrong, I'll put

1776
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:03,520
it that way. I want to add a predicting that

1777
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:05,439
for years down to the.

1778
02:05:05,479 --> 02:05:09,920
Speaker 4: Day, there's no more economic levers. I think that Trump

1779
02:05:09,960 --> 02:05:14,399
can pull as regards like sanctions on Russia like every

1780
02:05:14,840 --> 02:05:16,800
I mean, like I mean, for all the talk of

1781
02:05:16,840 --> 02:05:20,359
like soft power, it does, it does reach a limit

1782
02:05:20,399 --> 02:05:24,960
because soft power is basically sanctions, and sanctions are basically done.

1783
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:27,079
There's there's not there's no one else to sanction. There's

1784
02:05:27,199 --> 02:05:31,239
no more institutions or organizations or energy resources that like

1785
02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:34,600
it's and.

1786
02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:36,960
Speaker 3: We couldn't move enough troops to fucking Europe to scare

1787
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:42,039
Russia fast enough. The list we put a second enough

1788
02:05:42,079 --> 02:05:44,279
forces and being though in the Middle East.

1789
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:48,199
Speaker 4: Which explains the second aircraft carry in the Middle least

1790
02:05:48,239 --> 02:05:48,720
they put in.

1791
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:50,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.

1792
02:05:50,159 --> 02:05:53,359
Speaker 3: Everyone saying, oh my god, Trump sent three aircraft carriers

1793
02:05:53,359 --> 02:05:55,640
to that means war. They ran like nigga, do you

1794
02:05:55,720 --> 02:05:58,800
not remember there were fucking three aircraft carriers shooting at

1795
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:02,079
the Hoofis like two months before Donald Trump got elected.

1796
02:06:02,720 --> 02:06:04,600
They leave because they ran out of AMMO, and they

1797
02:06:04,640 --> 02:06:09,119
come back, and this is now some indicator like do

1798
02:06:09,239 --> 02:06:11,760
we just forget the three aircraft carriers were already there

1799
02:06:12,399 --> 02:06:15,760
shooting at the Houthis and then they leave and now

1800
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,119
they come back and this this is the signal that

1801
02:06:18,199 --> 02:06:20,319
he meets like, I mean, come on, it's like the

1802
02:06:20,319 --> 02:06:27,399
pants wedding is ridiculous. Like those fucking aircraft carriers already there,

1803
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:29,439
they just fucking ran out of bullets.

1804
02:06:30,239 --> 02:06:32,760
Speaker 4: And the air operations have been ongoing against the Houthies

1805
02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:35,760
for years as well, without resolution.

1806
02:06:37,600 --> 02:06:42,319
Speaker 3: Pete, how many times have you heard of Scott Horton

1807
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:46,680
freaking out about what the US is doing in Yemen

1808
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:52,239
on behalf of the Saudist Uh?

1809
02:06:52,319 --> 02:06:57,199
Speaker 1: I mean at least since twenty fifteen, like every week?

1810
02:06:58,319 --> 02:06:58,600
Speaker 2: Yep.

1811
02:06:58,920 --> 02:07:01,239
Speaker 3: And who do we really need onside right now? This

1812
02:07:01,279 --> 02:07:06,960
pretend Israel doesn't exist? Russia's God do we need on side?

1813
02:07:08,159 --> 02:07:10,680
We need Russia's got twenty percent of global oil supply,

1814
02:07:10,720 --> 02:07:12,640
andy supply. Who do we need on side right now?

1815
02:07:14,319 --> 02:07:18,920
Speaker 2: Is? Yeah? I don't.

1816
02:07:19,399 --> 02:07:21,119
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is what's happening, But well

1817
02:07:21,159 --> 02:07:23,840
there's a very close We've been doing this shit already

1818
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:24,319
for forever.

1819
02:07:25,079 --> 02:07:27,760
Speaker 4: And during Trump's first administration there was a very close

1820
02:07:27,800 --> 02:07:30,199
tie between the Saudis and the Trump's I mean, it's

1821
02:07:30,279 --> 02:07:33,880
just it's, you know, all kinds of stuff. There was

1822
02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:36,439
a lot of then. The key things to watch in

1823
02:07:36,479 --> 02:07:40,239
that relationship were not just like these diplomatic measures like

1824
02:07:40,319 --> 02:07:42,920
the US was making appearances in all these different economic

1825
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:45,840
forums that we're being held in Saudi Arabia, and I

1826
02:07:45,960 --> 02:07:47,640
it's been a long time because this was, you know,

1827
02:07:48,399 --> 02:07:52,479
Trump's first term. But you know, if I recall that

1828
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:56,039
kind of relationship, and didn't you mention at one point

1829
02:07:56,079 --> 02:07:59,039
Stormy that like that's where most of Trump's money comes

1830
02:07:59,079 --> 02:08:00,399
from is the Saudis.

1831
02:08:01,159 --> 02:08:08,079
Speaker 3: Uh, Saudi's, Russians and the US people. It's so Trump now,

1832
02:08:08,760 --> 02:08:13,520
it's it's it's a combination. But to Pete's point, back

1833
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:15,680
in the day, it was the Saudi like basically who

1834
02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:18,439
helped Donald Trump the entrepreneur. It was the Saudis and

1835
02:08:18,439 --> 02:08:25,800
the Russians. Oh shit, fuck Pete, remember when I told

1836
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:29,239
you that the the Egyptians moved all those tanks to

1837
02:08:29,239 --> 02:08:34,880
the Israeli border. Yes, I wonder if Russia or to have,

1838
02:08:35,119 --> 02:08:38,399
like I wonder if Russia has a lot of ties

1839
02:08:38,399 --> 02:08:39,680
inside the Egyptian military.

1840
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:44,680
Speaker 1: Still, well, you got that from Martin Armstrong, right, Martin Armstrong.

1841
02:08:44,760 --> 02:08:46,960
I think I was listening to the same show when

1842
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:48,159
he was talking about that.

1843
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:53,119
Speaker 3: Uh, the egypt thing. The only person I've I've heard

1844
02:08:53,159 --> 02:08:56,920
about the tanks is McGregor. Okay, but then I went

1845
02:08:57,000 --> 02:09:00,800
and checked it out in Israeli papers, and guess what

1846
02:09:00,840 --> 02:09:05,359
fucking tanks they are. They're like two, they're like something

1847
02:09:05,399 --> 02:09:07,640
like I think it was like either fifteen hundred or

1848
02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:12,680
two thousand and fifty thousand supporting troops got moved to

1849
02:09:12,680 --> 02:09:19,479
the Israeli border. But they're m one Abrams tanks. Egypt's

1850
02:09:19,479 --> 02:09:23,239
got unbeknownst to me, I didn't fucking know, but they've

1851
02:09:23,239 --> 02:09:30,199
got like several, like, you know, more than a thousand,

1852
02:09:30,439 --> 02:09:35,119
less than like eight thousand M one Abrams tanks. Apparently

1853
02:09:35,199 --> 02:09:39,800
Egypt's been getting a lot of aid, and some of

1854
02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:42,560
it it likes to receive in tanks, and the other

1855
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:45,720
likes to receive in dollars to give Russia for green

1856
02:09:47,640 --> 02:09:50,680
So as CC has been starving his people, he's damned

1857
02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:57,239
sure been stocking up on tanks. Anyways, I know we

1858
02:09:57,239 --> 02:09:58,680
were supposed to wrap this up, but I think we

1859
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:02,960
just I think I just took us further downfield. I

1860
02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:06,439
would be interested, though, in hearing you and Filo tie

1861
02:10:06,439 --> 02:10:10,960
the Breneese thing together into United fruit, because that is

1862
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:12,960
a rabbit hole I have not gone down.

1863
02:10:15,159 --> 02:10:17,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can, you know, I can do that one

1864
02:10:18,640 --> 02:10:22,439
on our own.

1865
02:10:20,479 --> 02:10:24,000
Speaker 3: I'm happy to join, but I'm gonna give.

1866
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:25,760
Speaker 4: You a rundown if you have time.

1867
02:10:27,159 --> 02:10:30,079
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, we're still probably gonna want to

1868
02:10:30,119 --> 02:10:31,920
do it. I mean two minutes is nothing.

1869
02:10:32,399 --> 02:10:35,199
Speaker 3: No, especially if it Edward fucking Brene is involved.

1870
02:10:36,319 --> 02:10:37,199
Speaker 4: Yep, that's truth.

1871
02:10:39,920 --> 02:10:42,359
Speaker 3: I'd say this is probably more dangerous now than it

1872
02:10:42,399 --> 02:10:45,399
ever was at the height of Russia Ukraine under Biden.

1873
02:10:46,439 --> 02:10:48,319
I'd probably say this is we're This is probably the

1874
02:10:48,359 --> 02:10:49,640
most dangerous it's been.

1875
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Speaker 4: And we haven't even touched like the the tariff and

1876
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negotiations and the all that other stuff.

1877
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think the Russia China thing is actually

1878
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as strong as everyone thinks of this.

1879
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Speaker 4: They've always been like allies of a geographic convenience.

1880
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, how's the China How's the China thing going

1881
02:11:14,439 --> 02:11:14,840
to happen?

1882
02:11:14,840 --> 02:11:15,079
Speaker 2: Though?

1883
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Speaker 1: China, you know, basically says that anything that goes into

1884
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:27,520
Taiwan has to come through China first. US says that's unacceptable.

1885
02:11:29,119 --> 02:11:30,920
Who knows what the hell happens from there?

1886
02:11:32,279 --> 02:11:35,600
Speaker 3: That's a very I mean, yeah, so this is actually

1887
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why I think you see the Trump administration not only

1888
02:11:41,119 --> 02:11:43,960
not buckling when the stock market was freaking out, but

1889
02:11:44,039 --> 02:11:49,600
barely saying words like Scott bessn't uh it's Scott or

1890
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Stephen Beston. I always confused it to Scott Scott Scott,

1891
02:11:53,239 --> 02:11:56,159
So Scott bessont ran out on Tucker first. Kind of

1892
02:11:56,199 --> 02:12:00,359
like to be because if you think, like that Tucker

1893
02:12:00,399 --> 02:12:02,960
episode that you sent me with him, all right, you

1894
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:05,239
sent me that on the day that the market started tanking,

1895
02:12:05,680 --> 02:12:07,479
all right. But there's no way that they recorded that

1896
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on the day that the market started tanking and got

1897
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it out in like three hours, because the market was

1898
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tanking right from the fucking open. So unless you know

1899
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they were recording it at four in the morning and

1900
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edited it or whatever, like, no, that was recorded the

1901
02:12:19,199 --> 02:12:23,279
day before, right. But ever since then, there's been very

1902
02:12:23,279 --> 02:12:27,520
little communication out of the Trump administration about any of

1903
02:12:27,560 --> 02:12:34,560
the shit that's happened. And in the interim, has anybody

1904
02:12:34,600 --> 02:12:37,600
been watched I've seen a ton of news articles about,

1905
02:12:37,600 --> 02:12:41,239
oh my god, China is tank is dumping US treasuries

1906
02:12:42,239 --> 02:12:45,800
sixty billion in treasuries. First off, China does that shit

1907
02:12:45,800 --> 02:12:48,239
every quarter. It's not a big deal. It's roughly the

1908
02:12:48,239 --> 02:12:50,119
same number that it's always been doing it every quarter.

1909
02:12:50,359 --> 02:12:53,199
And the bigger news is that Europe is actually the

1910
02:12:53,239 --> 02:12:58,199
one gobbling them up, in fact, like gobbling up trying

1911
02:12:58,199 --> 02:13:01,760
to gobble up eighty billion when there's only sixty billion

1912
02:13:01,840 --> 02:13:04,960
being sold, right, So like that's that's not the big news.

1913
02:13:05,479 --> 02:13:10,680
The big news is the fucking renmen b Jesus Christ.

1914
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:15,159
Like I haven't seen it like really reported anywhere, but

1915
02:13:15,279 --> 02:13:17,359
like unless you're watching it on the tick, like unless

1916
02:13:17,359 --> 02:13:21,520
you're watching like the Bloomberg feed or like the chart,

1917
02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:27,439
China's currency's fallen off a fucking cliff, like really really

1918
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really really crazy. So I wonder if.

1919
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Speaker 2: Are you talking about the are you talking about the one?

1920
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

1921
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Speaker 2: I think it started coming back today.

1922
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Speaker 3: Oh did it?

1923
02:13:40,079 --> 02:13:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it started coming back today.

1924
02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:44,880
Speaker 4: I'm seeing that there was a huge drop on the thirteenth.

1925
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're watching that. You're watching this the fucking Chinese currency.

1926
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They have two currencies. The one is the external one

1927
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that they used to trade with other countries, and I

1928
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think the rendmen B is the internal one. And my

1929
02:14:00,960 --> 02:14:05,800
friend like, RUNMANB, there we go.

1930
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Speaker 1: Yeah, ohno, the wand right now the Wand since the

1931
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sense of clothes of our markets dropping is dropping.

1932
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Speaker 3: Hard, Yeah, I think I think you might be right.

1933
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:25,239
Pete but I think maybe we may be firing the

1934
02:14:25,239 --> 02:14:25,800
first shots.

1935
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Speaker 4: Forgive my ignorance of a trade war between the US

1936
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and China, Like, no.

1937
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Speaker 2: Let's.

1938
02:14:37,399 --> 02:14:39,239
Speaker 3: I think it's a currency war, man, We're trying to

1939
02:14:39,239 --> 02:14:42,760
destabilize them. You don't fuck with the internal currency unless

1940
02:14:42,760 --> 02:14:46,239
you're trying to destabilize the nation itself. Mm hmm, right,

1941
02:14:46,239 --> 02:14:50,439
because what he has been acting fucking insane. But think

1942
02:14:50,520 --> 02:14:54,239
about it, he's fired all the military brass and replace

1943
02:14:54,319 --> 02:14:56,159
them like in the last three or four months it

1944
02:14:56,199 --> 02:14:58,840
barely got reported on, but he has been acting generals

1945
02:14:59,159 --> 02:15:04,560
and replacing them like crazy. Oh yeah, shit, yeah, the

1946
02:15:04,720 --> 02:15:08,840
redmen be the dollar gained on the redmen? B What

1947
02:15:08,960 --> 02:15:09,239
is this?

1948
02:15:13,439 --> 02:15:16,039
Speaker 2: What is that? That's the internal the internal currency?

1949
02:15:16,119 --> 02:15:19,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I can't remember where, Yeah,

1950
02:15:19,239 --> 02:15:21,880
the CNY, I can't remember which one it is. But

1951
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:30,199
is this right? Is that really? Does that really? Say? Yeah, okay,

1952
02:15:30,279 --> 02:15:33,640
so it's a couple points, and they keep in mind

1953
02:15:33,680 --> 02:15:36,560
everyone a couple percentage points doesn't sound like a big

1954
02:15:36,600 --> 02:15:41,239
deal in currency. But the reason that four X traders

1955
02:15:41,279 --> 02:15:44,960
are always blowing up is because four X moves so

1956
02:15:45,159 --> 02:15:48,239
little that they have to trade with one hundred and

1957
02:15:48,239 --> 02:15:52,079
a thousand times leverage to make any money at all.

1958
02:15:52,600 --> 02:15:56,840
So these guys are trading, you know, fractions of a

1959
02:15:56,920 --> 02:16:00,199
fraction of a percent, which generally would be app will

1960
02:16:00,199 --> 02:16:05,319
be worthless unless you leverage yourself one thousand acts. So

1961
02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:09,439
like a currency moving three, four or five percent would

1962
02:16:09,479 --> 02:16:14,800
be like a stock moving like fifty eighty percent in

1963
02:16:14,840 --> 02:16:20,199
a day. It would be huge. Yeah, because times they

1964
02:16:20,279 --> 02:16:22,399
collapse really fast.

1965
02:16:22,680 --> 02:16:24,880
Speaker 1: If you look at the five day chart on the lawn,

1966
02:16:28,399 --> 02:16:36,440
the offshore lawn has recovered, but the uh, the internal

1967
02:16:37,360 --> 02:16:41,600
is not doing well at all, and they're both at

1968
02:16:41,600 --> 02:16:43,799
fourteen cents to the US dollar.

1969
02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:47,639
Speaker 4: The offshore room and be recorded an all time low

1970
02:16:48,239 --> 02:16:53,559
on Wednesday, slightly strengthened. The onshore is its weakest level

1971
02:16:53,559 --> 02:16:57,639
in almost eighteen years. That just happened in the last hour.

1972
02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:03,360
Speaker 1: Now here's the Here's where you have to be careful.

1973
02:17:06,239 --> 02:17:08,639
You have to know what you're doing in this because

1974
02:17:10,399 --> 02:17:14,799
these people are fucking crazy. And I'm one of these

1975
02:17:14,840 --> 02:17:19,079
people who believes that they can turn our fucking lights out.

1976
02:17:20,120 --> 02:17:25,479
Speaker 3: Yeap China. Yes, yeah, yeah, I heard everybody to look

1977
02:17:25,479 --> 02:17:28,079
at the North Korean satellite that has a very I

1978
02:17:28,120 --> 02:17:31,920
think is their only satellite. It doesn't take any pictures,

1979
02:17:32,280 --> 02:17:36,079
doesn't do anything all right, but has a very peculiar

1980
02:17:36,239 --> 02:17:40,639
orbit that would be pretty much useless as a satellite

1981
02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:44,440
unless that satellite was anything other than electromagnetic pulse device.

1982
02:17:45,559 --> 02:17:48,440
It also happens to be at the perfect altitude that

1983
02:17:48,559 --> 02:17:52,920
one would And unless anybody believes that North Korea whip

1984
02:17:52,959 --> 02:17:59,440
that ump themselves, you can believe that North Korea whip

1985
02:17:59,440 --> 02:18:04,520
that up themselves, and that's not actually Chinese. But if

1986
02:18:04,520 --> 02:18:08,719
you do believe that, you also have to believe that

1987
02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:12,200
China would have at least if North Korea has one,

1988
02:18:12,319 --> 02:18:16,239
China's got more than one. And remember that Chinese satellite

1989
02:18:16,319 --> 02:18:18,840
that went and was like eating other satellites back in

1990
02:18:18,879 --> 02:18:21,600
the day. This was like last year, two years ago.

1991
02:18:24,319 --> 02:18:27,000
It literally like was going. It was the satellit. It's

1992
02:18:27,000 --> 02:18:29,559
actually really crazy. Everybody wants to look into it. It

1993
02:18:29,639 --> 02:18:32,719
was big news. China had a satellite that was zipping

1994
02:18:32,760 --> 02:18:35,360
around and basically crunching other satellites.

1995
02:18:36,799 --> 02:18:40,239
Speaker 2: Huh.

1996
02:18:40,280 --> 02:18:44,840
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe you know, we want to talk not

1997
02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:48,760
talk about it that this is rhetorical. You know, maybe

1998
02:18:48,879 --> 02:18:51,200
someone wants to talk about the fact that there are

1999
02:18:51,239 --> 02:18:57,319
two hundred and fifty thousand Chinese nationals in our universities

2000
02:18:58,040 --> 02:18:58,959
at this very moment.

2001
02:19:02,159 --> 02:19:05,840
Speaker 4: Every time, every couple of weeks they get busted in

2002
02:19:05,879 --> 02:19:08,120
the military for leaking information.

2003
02:19:10,280 --> 02:19:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think we need to be racist

2004
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:13,840
as a matter of national security, because it seems that

2005
02:19:13,879 --> 02:19:16,680
all the leaks and all the people that get caught

2006
02:19:16,799 --> 02:19:20,319
doing espionage all have a name like Shing Chang Chong, Like,

2007
02:19:20,399 --> 02:19:24,479
holy shit, who could have seen that coming? Wait, how

2008
02:19:24,479 --> 02:19:29,520
do we how do we find the Chinese moles get

2009
02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:29,959
the roster?

2010
02:19:30,120 --> 02:19:33,760
Speaker 1: You know, the you know, the whole league thing was

2011
02:19:33,799 --> 02:19:38,680
the biggest fucking distraction. It was the distraction against all

2012
02:19:38,719 --> 02:19:42,280
of this. It was it was to distract us. Oh,

2013
02:19:42,360 --> 02:19:46,680
we have to worry about these these like literal terrorists

2014
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:50,040
who were caught into in the summer of two thousand

2015
02:19:50,079 --> 02:19:56,440
and one training with the CIA in Afghanistan and you know,

2016
02:19:56,520 --> 02:20:01,760
get to be sent back to China to this disrupt them.

2017
02:20:01,879 --> 02:20:04,920
And yeah, sure that's something to think about. But no,

2018
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:10,680
it's when you when you start fucking with a country

2019
02:20:10,719 --> 02:20:12,879
that has a billion people. And then I heard somebody

2020
02:20:12,920 --> 02:20:14,920
the other day arguing they don't have a billion people.

2021
02:20:14,920 --> 02:20:18,760
That's a lie. I don't care when you start talking

2022
02:20:18,799 --> 02:20:23,959
with their Yeah, do you when you start fucking with

2023
02:20:24,040 --> 02:20:34,040
their currency to people that have no god other than Machiavelianism.

2024
02:20:34,959 --> 02:20:35,799
Watch the funk out.

2025
02:20:36,799 --> 02:20:39,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, how many Americans do we have embedded in Chinese

2026
02:20:39,559 --> 02:20:40,959
institutions within China?

2027
02:20:42,719 --> 02:20:45,239
Speaker 3: I bet you'll be really easy to find and.

2028
02:20:45,799 --> 02:20:48,200
Speaker 4: Can freely conduct business and communication.

2029
02:20:48,399 --> 02:20:50,239
Speaker 3: They're both named Tim Walltz.

2030
02:20:57,239 --> 02:21:00,959
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's absolutely insane that this open, this

2031
02:21:01,120 --> 02:21:05,680
open society. This Oh, and America is an idea. Anybody

2032
02:21:05,760 --> 02:21:10,280
can come here and be an American. Oh oh, how

2033
02:21:10,319 --> 02:21:14,000
important it is to have to bring to bring foreigners

2034
02:21:14,040 --> 02:21:17,639
here to educate them in our universities so they can

2035
02:21:17,639 --> 02:21:20,040
see how nice we are, and how you know, they

2036
02:21:20,040 --> 02:21:21,120
can fall in love with the.

2037
02:21:21,079 --> 02:21:24,040
Speaker 3: American and put them in our military.

2038
02:21:24,719 --> 02:21:27,159
Speaker 1: How about wet, how about we how about we just

2039
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:29,440
by default don't trust anyone?

2040
02:21:30,159 --> 02:21:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, how'd that work out with.

2041
02:21:32,760 --> 02:21:34,799
Speaker 1: And we'll start off with about one hundred and fifty

2042
02:21:34,799 --> 02:21:36,879
to two hundred million Americans right now?

2043
02:21:37,879 --> 02:21:38,120
Speaker 2: Yep?

2044
02:21:39,799 --> 02:21:42,440
Speaker 3: And you want I can't remember whose article it was,

2045
02:21:42,600 --> 02:21:45,120
it was either shit. I want to make sure I

2046
02:21:45,159 --> 02:21:48,040
give credit where credit is due. But actually I'm not

2047
02:21:48,079 --> 02:21:49,520
even going to say who wrote it. I'm just going

2048
02:21:49,559 --> 02:21:53,920
to refer people back to your episode about the recruitment crisis.

2049
02:21:54,399 --> 02:21:56,760
I can't remember who wrote that article that you had on,

2050
02:21:57,719 --> 02:22:00,639
but it was that article to a lot of people that,

2051
02:22:00,959 --> 02:22:04,440
let's put it this way, would be in positions of,

2052
02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:07,639
you know, in the type of people that would be

2053
02:22:07,639 --> 02:22:10,639
able to have influence on that policy inside the DoD

2054
02:22:10,760 --> 02:22:13,600
or at least how long bring out the people's attention?

2055
02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:16,520
It was insanely well written.

2056
02:22:17,920 --> 02:22:19,360
Speaker 2: How long ago is that episode?

2057
02:22:21,360 --> 02:22:22,159
Speaker 3: Over a year ago?

2058
02:22:22,559 --> 02:22:25,680
Speaker 1: This would it was lee Enfield, Yeah, and it was

2059
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:28,200
an army war. It was an army war college paper.

2060
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:32,280
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, about the draft or something like that.

2061
02:22:32,840 --> 02:22:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, about how we have about how if we

2062
02:22:36,120 --> 02:22:38,440
would have went up against Russia and Ukraine the way

2063
02:22:38,520 --> 02:22:40,920
Ukraine went up against Russia, we would have been out

2064
02:22:40,920 --> 02:22:43,239
of soldiers in twenty nine days.

2065
02:22:43,719 --> 02:22:47,399
Speaker 3: Yep. That's the one. That's the one. But particularly in

2066
02:22:47,440 --> 02:22:50,159
that article or in the conversation the two of you had,

2067
02:22:52,360 --> 02:22:57,639
he dropped a fact about the ethnic makeup of men

2068
02:22:57,719 --> 02:23:02,239
that enlist under combat arms and then being like ninety

2069
02:23:02,280 --> 02:23:03,959
three percent a certain type.

2070
02:23:05,239 --> 02:23:05,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2071
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:08,280
Speaker 3: So if you were to reduce the population to one

2072
02:23:08,360 --> 02:23:10,399
hundred and fifty two hundred million, like you just said,

2073
02:23:11,200 --> 02:23:13,879
the amount of fighting men that we would lose would

2074
02:23:13,879 --> 02:23:14,399
be zero.

2075
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:15,760
Speaker 2: Yep.

2076
02:23:16,920 --> 02:23:19,319
Speaker 4: It's why Eric Prince is going on about the uh

2077
02:23:19,959 --> 02:23:23,159
the tip to tail, the sorry, the teeth to tail ratio,

2078
02:23:23,879 --> 02:23:26,600
and that's certain that's why he's talking with Trump.

2079
02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:30,159
Speaker 3: It's the tail ratio where all of the all of

2080
02:23:30,200 --> 02:23:36,719
the uh, the DMV workers exist.

2081
02:23:37,239 --> 02:23:37,799
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

2082
02:23:38,920 --> 02:23:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be really interesting, man. I don't like,

2083
02:23:43,440 --> 02:23:46,799
I know, I've been kind of hyperbolic in the past

2084
02:23:48,040 --> 02:23:50,959
about like what's coming down the pike, but I really

2085
02:23:50,959 --> 02:23:55,120
think right now and like I know, there's literally like

2086
02:23:55,159 --> 02:23:57,760
I got a lot of commentators in our sphere basically

2087
02:23:57,799 --> 02:23:59,680
saying like, oh, it's like a slow news day. We

2088
02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:03,200
don't know fuck all to talk about. I've been kind

2089
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:08,920
of absent on Twitter and in the discourse for like

2090
02:24:09,040 --> 02:24:12,520
two or three weeks. But this is probably the most

2091
02:24:13,319 --> 02:24:20,639
not depressed I would say, but like spiritually apprehensive period

2092
02:24:20,680 --> 02:24:23,639
I've had that I can remember in like the last

2093
02:24:23,680 --> 02:24:30,040
five years, like to where like the amount of times

2094
02:24:30,040 --> 02:24:36,159
that I pray is an order of magnitude higher than

2095
02:24:36,200 --> 02:24:39,200
it was pretty much anytime in the last five or

2096
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:42,600
six years. It just it feels like something bad is

2097
02:24:42,600 --> 02:24:48,079
gonna happen. Man, it really does and was at least

2098
02:24:48,120 --> 02:24:48,879
the most dangerous.

2099
02:24:50,200 --> 02:24:52,239
Speaker 1: If what if it is what you and I were

2100
02:24:52,280 --> 02:24:53,600
texting about, then.

2101
02:24:55,760 --> 02:25:00,959
Speaker 3: That help us, Yes, God help us. Ang. And you

2102
02:25:01,000 --> 02:25:03,479
know what's really crazy is that every other person at

2103
02:25:03,520 --> 02:25:08,840
the decision making table outside of Donald Trump is basically

2104
02:25:09,479 --> 02:25:14,360
fighting for the worst case scenario to happen. Europe, they're

2105
02:25:14,360 --> 02:25:17,920
fighting for the worst case scenario to happen, and at

2106
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:21,040
least Israel fighting for the worst case scenario to happen.

2107
02:25:22,399 --> 02:25:25,319
Half of our fucking government fighting for the worst case

2108
02:25:25,319 --> 02:25:26,159
scenario to happen.

2109
02:25:27,399 --> 02:25:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I question, I really question the people who

2110
02:25:31,239 --> 02:25:34,399
are in charge right now. I didn't talk about that

2111
02:25:34,520 --> 02:25:38,120
signal leak when it came out because it was turned

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into slops so quickly.

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Speaker 2: But the.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the oh we're tracking this guy. Oh he's

2115
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going to visit his girlfriend in this building. All right,

2116
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we'll just drop a bomba in this building. Hey, way

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02:25:51,680 --> 02:25:51,959
to go.

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Speaker 4: Where's the crisis of conscience? I mean to tie it

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back to the dullest thing. If you read these guys,

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everyone in a position of me major authority within the agency,

2121
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these men had deep metaphysical convictions and a lot of

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weight to their you know, their ethical decision making processes.

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I mean, looking at this administration, every everyone fixates on

2124
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the wrong angle. They focus on the like op sec

2125
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involved of the chat, and yeah, sure, I agree, but

2126
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the big problem is there's not a single person it's

2127
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asking in that chat, Hey, is this the right thing

2128
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to do? Should we be doing this right? You always

2129
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need to red team it.

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Speaker 3: It was also kind of brilliant though not gonna lie right,

2131
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So if you remember the person who is the person

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that brought in that.

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Speaker 4: That reporter, Mike Waltz Alec.

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Speaker 3: Mike Waltz, wasn't he like the third pick for what

2135
02:26:56,040 --> 02:27:02,559
is he? The uh national security? Yeah, everybody should look

2136
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back at the previous two people that Trump and Tulsi

2137
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Yeh Tulsi wanted for her second in command. They were

2138
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both shot down, you know, Choice number one and choice

2139
02:27:17,360 --> 02:27:20,079
number two were shot down for not being anti Israel,

2140
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but just not being pro Israel enough. And this guy

2141
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was number three that basically sailed through the Senate confirmation

2142
02:27:32,760 --> 02:27:36,920
in like an hour. So if you wanted, if you

2143
02:27:36,959 --> 02:27:39,559
thought you had a leaker, that wasn't playing for the team.

2144
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And this guy has been vocally anti Trump in the

2145
02:27:45,000 --> 02:27:51,760
past and is a huge fan of you know, the levant.

2146
02:27:53,319 --> 02:27:57,000
Could you imagine like an easier way of like just waiting,

2147
02:27:57,079 --> 02:28:00,760
like letting that guy out himself because all of it,

2148
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all the media attention has been on heg Seth, right,

2149
02:28:04,280 --> 02:28:07,799
and all of the basically everybody that the media has

2150
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already hated already, and nobody seems none of the media

2151
02:28:11,799 --> 02:28:14,639
wants to talk about the guy that actually brought the

2152
02:28:14,719 --> 02:28:22,920
journalist in. No, I'm seeing all that conversation is being

2153
02:28:22,959 --> 02:28:24,520
had inside the Trump administration.

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02:28:25,959 --> 02:28:28,879
Speaker 4: He was also the guy pushing the the weaker stuff

2155
02:28:30,159 --> 02:28:34,360
in twenty one And yeah, I agree with you that

2156
02:28:34,559 --> 02:28:37,440
you know heg Seth is, I mean, he's just like

2157
02:28:37,479 --> 02:28:38,360
a line officer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I literally think Pete's Pete's interpreted. Pete's take on

2159
02:28:42,239 --> 02:28:44,959
heg Seth initial was the best, and I think it's

2160
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the one that holds true the most. What did I

2161
02:28:50,479 --> 02:28:54,719
say this is this is a guy that's not qualified

2162
02:28:54,760 --> 02:28:57,399
for the job, and he's there because he is loyal

2163
02:28:57,440 --> 02:28:59,280
to Donald Trump and no one else.

2164
02:29:00,520 --> 02:29:02,440
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's that's a lot of the people

2165
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around him. But you know, when it comes to that

2166
02:29:05,639 --> 02:29:08,799
signal chat. Dave Smith was on Joe Rogan the other

2167
02:29:08,879 --> 02:29:11,200
day and he was talking about that, and he said,

2168
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to any of these people, fear God does he? You're

2169
02:29:20,600 --> 02:29:25,959
dropping everyone in that chat, including a Catholic, including a Hindu,

2170
02:29:26,040 --> 02:29:30,399
and including Protestants. We're celebrating dropping a bomb on a

2171
02:29:30,440 --> 02:29:34,159
fucking apartment building to kill one guy that they thought

2172
02:29:37,280 --> 02:29:38,479
may have something to do with.

2173
02:29:38,479 --> 02:29:44,120
Speaker 3: Something I wonder.

2174
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Speaker 1: This is what This is what happens to you when

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02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:53,399
your country is taken over by fucking Zionists. You become

2176
02:29:53,639 --> 02:29:57,360
just like them, No morality, you don't care anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

2178
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Speaker 3: You can only watch so much of what we've been

2179
02:30:03,360 --> 02:30:10,280
forced to watch without being changed. Right. We're watching dehumanizing

2180
02:30:10,319 --> 02:30:14,840
acts saying how unhuman the perpetrators of these acts are,

2181
02:30:18,639 --> 02:30:22,239
but it has an effect on us. You don't watch

2182
02:30:23,440 --> 02:30:27,040
the dehumanizing of someone else, large glonds of people without

2183
02:30:27,159 --> 02:30:40,719
being dehumanized yourself. Right, we are all less for what

2184
02:30:41,680 --> 02:30:45,120
has been happening in Gaza. Whether you're going to say, oh, well,

2185
02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:47,760
you know you side, but if I hear like anybody,

2186
02:30:48,239 --> 02:30:53,239
I mean Pete knows like uh me personally, anybody that

2187
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:54,920
wants to call me a third world this, I will

2188
02:30:54,920 --> 02:30:57,000
happily invite you to come call me that in person.

2189
02:31:00,680 --> 02:31:05,760
That's not what I'm talking about, Like you can't watch

2190
02:31:05,799 --> 02:31:10,520
what we've been forced to watch with out being dehumanized yourself,

2191
02:31:13,000 --> 02:31:16,719
Like everyone's value of human life has been cheapened now

2192
02:31:18,280 --> 02:31:22,319
for just having been witnessed to it. I firmly believe

2193
02:31:22,360 --> 02:31:31,479
that because we've all been forced to abide evil as

2194
02:31:31,520 --> 02:31:34,959
a country, as individuals, we've been forced to look away,

2195
02:31:35,120 --> 02:31:41,799
whether we have no other choice but two, or whether

2196
02:31:41,840 --> 02:31:46,719
we've actively doing it, like the people in our government, right,

2197
02:31:48,680 --> 02:31:52,639
like I think you are. You are spiritually lessened by

2198
02:31:52,680 --> 02:32:01,600
having abided it. And I don't know what the long

2199
02:32:01,680 --> 02:32:05,360
term effects of it are, but I really think that

2200
02:32:05,440 --> 02:32:11,399
everyone has become less for having been forced literally forced

2201
02:32:11,479 --> 02:32:15,440
like like the fuck like clockwork Orange, our eyes taped open,

2202
02:32:16,879 --> 02:32:21,000
watching what happens, or watching what's been happening. You don't,

2203
02:32:21,079 --> 02:32:24,159
you don't do that without you don't you don't watch

2204
02:32:24,200 --> 02:32:29,159
what we've had to watch, eyes taped open, right, not

2205
02:32:29,200 --> 02:32:32,399
being able to fucking look away from it and not

2206
02:32:32,520 --> 02:32:33,079
be changed.

2207
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Speaker 4: One thing that really bothers me is when I see

2208
02:32:39,840 --> 02:32:46,719
Trump administration officials lie while wearing a cross. I have

2209
02:32:46,799 --> 02:32:48,639
a big problem with that, and I also have a

2210
02:32:48,680 --> 02:32:54,440
big problem with the lack of any kind of shame.

2211
02:32:54,520 --> 02:32:57,319
I mean, I mean and every you know, I agree

2212
02:32:57,360 --> 02:33:01,399
with everyone on the journalist thing, but you should need

2213
02:33:01,440 --> 02:33:03,799
to have an answer for when a journalist asks you

2214
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:07,520
a hard question about ethics, and I think you have

2215
02:33:07,559 --> 02:33:11,879
a huge obligation as a Christian to answer honestly and

2216
02:33:11,920 --> 02:33:18,200
truthfully and thoughtfully. Uh, when you kill someone or when

2217
02:33:18,239 --> 02:33:21,760
you order someone's death, you need an answer beyond deflecting.

2218
02:33:21,959 --> 02:33:25,280
And it just it really rubs me the wrong way

2219
02:33:25,280 --> 02:33:27,760
that people can lie. We'll wearing cross.

2220
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I only wish these journalists weren't atheists, like fucking retards,

2221
02:33:33,479 --> 02:33:35,760
because I think a better question to be thrown at

2222
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any of these assholes. Where do your actions honor God?

2223
02:33:41,959 --> 02:33:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2224
02:33:45,959 --> 02:33:50,360
Speaker 1: All right, that's that's it. And no, that's that's the

2225
02:33:50,440 --> 02:33:56,559
end right there. That's that's your actions honor God. That's

2226
02:33:56,600 --> 02:33:57,479
the end right there.

2227
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Speaker 2: Anybody want to promote anything.

2228
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Speaker 3: Nothing to promote, No, nothing to celebrate either, unfortunately.

2229
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, gentlemen, thank you so much, and uh,

2230
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let's do it again real soon.

2231
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Speaker 3: Fuck man. Yeah, it's fun.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,