WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.200 Traffic between Norwi Lateral and the Ranking Highway. I'm Heather 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:07.240 Pasco on fifty five KRC, the talk station. 3 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:13.839 A twenty eight on a Friday eve Woo. Always enjoy 4 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:17.800 this time because a good friend iHeart media. A aviation 5 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:21.160 expert Jay Rali joins the program. Talk about a whole 6 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:23.120 slew of things. Man, we got a lot to talk 7 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:25.399 about this morning. Jay, welcome back to the program, and 8 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:28.519 I hope you are in a festive holiday spirit this 9 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:29.160 time of year. 10 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:32.240 I'm in kind of a feisty mood, so yeah, I'm 11 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:35.200 more than I am more than ready for our time. 12 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:38.240 My challenge with you, my friend, is just to bring 13 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:41.280 my a game to keep up with you, because you know, 14 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:44.840 I do fifteen hundred of these a year, and a 15 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:47.719 lot of times the people I'm talking to around the country, 16 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:50.479 it's they asked the question, they wait for their response. 17 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:53.359 They and it's so engaging when you and I talk, 18 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:56.640 and it's hard to it's it's hard and challenging sometimes 19 00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:58.439 to keep up with you. And I love it because 20 00:00:58.560 --> 00:00:59.520 rarely do I get that. 21 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.119 So well, You're great at it. Man, I wouldn't be 22 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:05.840 so enthusied about the segment if you were some monotone 23 00:01:05.879 --> 00:01:08.120 sort of guy reading the news kind of stuff. That's 24 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:11.840 why I enjoy our discussions. You don't have to worry 25 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:14.200 about boundaries or image and go anywhere you hell hell 26 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:16.120 you want, you know, and you. 27 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:17.480 Have a sense of humor, which is good. 28 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:18.040 You know. 29 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:19.959 I love working with Jim Scott for ten years. And 30 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:21.719 one year he asked me on the air, Jay Man, 31 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:23.920 how do you know all this? And I said, Jim, what, 32 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:27.000 I don't know? I make up And there's this pause 33 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:30.439 of like five seconds and I said, Jim, I'm kidding, 34 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:33.760 so you know, you and I can laugh, and good lord. 35 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:36.159 I missed Jim so much. But it's just, you know, 36 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:38.319 I love our time together Brian, and I hope it shows. 37 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:40.400 It does and I love it. I love it as much. 38 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:42.760 I hope it shows to you too. So let us 39 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:46.200 discuss actually a new addition to the already lengthy list 40 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:47.519 of things today. I'm not sure if we'll get it 41 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:49.920 all in. But the airlines were in front of the 42 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:50.879 Senate yesterday. 43 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:55.519 Oh yeah, that was a good one. We had the 44 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:59.319 Senate grilling five airline executives over their practices and their 45 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:03.480 airline feet and their seat fees and when all this 46 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:06.719 was set up. I'm thinking, Okay, come on, guys, this 47 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:10.919 is posturing. All you're doing is these are photo ops. 48 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:14.719 Because if anybody talks about how glorious it is to fly, 49 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:18.439 how wonderful it is to fly, they're obviously lying because 50 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:21.000 you and I've talked about you don't enjoy travel, you 51 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:25.520 endure it. And the Senate panel was up there talking 52 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:28.360 to these airline executives, and of course they were grilling 53 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.479 them over the seat fees and things that were their 54 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:34.639 costs of business and how their business operations were. And 55 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:37.439 I really think the government has z row zero zero 56 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.120 role in that. But what I did find interesting was 57 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:43.840 when they were talking about like Frontier and Spirit. Ohdah, 58 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.719 I love this exchange where they said, why are you 59 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:51.039 incentivizing your gate agents to find bags that are too 60 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:53.919 big so they have to be charged a carry on fee? 61 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.159 Because Spirit and Frontier have paid out in incentives. Now, 62 00:02:58.199 --> 00:02:59.759 remember these are people that don't make a lot of 63 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:03.159 money working for the airlines, right, twenty six million dollars 64 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:05.960 in like two years. Wow, Because they give me like 65 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:08.319 ten bucks a bag. If you find something that's too big, 66 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:11.960 we'll give you ten bucks of the thirty forty fifty 67 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.599 whatever that ends up being charged. They are actually out there, 68 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:18.000 they're looking for bags they are too big. 69 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:19.800 Do you find you do you have any problem with 70 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.439 them doing that? Do you? 71 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:24.759 As far as incentives, Absolutely. 72 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:26.400 Not right, because they're forcing the rules that are on 73 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:28.360 the books anyway, you're not supposed to have a book 74 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:32.039 a bag that's beyond X number of size. The employees 75 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:35.560 are helping the company meet its objectives. They're helping them 76 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:37.759 earn the money that they're entitled to because of the 77 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:39.719 rules that you agree to when you agree to fly 78 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:41.479 in that airline. So bully for them. 79 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:44.879 Well, you know the thing that I just it amaze 80 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:48.400 me watching the United CEO the frontier that not a 81 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:50.599 single one of them and all that I reviewed, and 82 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.919 I didn't see every single second, but none of them said, Look, 83 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:56.360 our number one objective is to push that airplane back 84 00:03:56.400 --> 00:04:00.479 on time period. That's where our money is made. And 85 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:02.319 if we have a bag that's too big, if we 86 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:06.400 miss something, we jeopardize that flight leaving on time. So 87 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:09.080 therefore we're going to incentivize our agents to get out 88 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:13.319 there and look for things that could potentially delay our flight. 89 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:17.079 That's where the focus should have been, but they were 90 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:21.360 trying to play along, skip along, whatever. And I'm just thinking, guys, 91 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:23.600 you just go that they'd gone straight to the matter, 92 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.079 because I would have told every one of the senators, Look, 93 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.240 you want your flight to be on time, right, so 94 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:30.439 if we do everything within our power to do so, 95 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:32.839 you're going to be happy, right. And I would have 96 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:34.879 shoved it right back in their face and say, this 97 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:37.879 is how we accomplish that because passengers bring bags that 98 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:41.240 are too big. We've got to do this passengers. All 99 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:43.279 of the things that could have been addressed, But the 100 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:46.759 bottom line is the Trump administration, if it's anything like 101 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.920 round one, they're going to back off. They're going to 102 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.199 let the airlines do whatever they want to do. So 103 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:54.279 I think a lot of this stuff that's been being 104 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:57.839 pushed right now is that is not going to continue. 105 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:02.000 And that's sad because I've told you I the Bide administration. 106 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:04.120 It can't the end of it cannot get here too 107 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:07.600 soon for they. But I do appreciate the fact that 108 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:10.040 they were hard on the airlines. They held them accountable, 109 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:12.199 they made sure that they did everything they could to 110 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:15.480 help push them towards better customer service. And I will 111 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:20.240 forever be thankful for that. And it's just I don't know. 112 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:22.680 I see so much of this as just the typical 113 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.279 political you know, the games they play, so they've got 114 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:29.360 soundbites for their commercials and all the other crap that 115 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:32.399 goes on. And it's sad to me thinking that the 116 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:34.959 airlines are going to return to a time when you know. 117 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:36.800 But look, you and I both agree. Bright. I think 118 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:39.120 I can speak for you that airlines they can do 119 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:41.279 business any way they want, and if people don't like it, 120 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:43.399 guess what They're going to fly another carrier. The free 121 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:46.800 market will determine what takes place. And please get out 122 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:47.319 of our face. 123 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:51.800 Amen. And I guess I'm under the I think safe presumption. Again, 124 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:53.240 you're the expert on this, and if you don't know 125 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:54.360 the answer, just make it up. 126 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:55.399 Absolutely. 127 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:59.920 I'm under the impression that most people follow the rules. 128 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:03.319 So it's the guys who refuse to follow the rules 129 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:06.279 that show up with an oversized bag. Obviously, it's not 130 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:07.800 going to fit in the overhead bin, it's not going 131 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:10.120 to fit underneath under this seat in front of you. 132 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:12.279 So they're going to stop, they're gonna have to tag it, 133 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:13.959 They're going to put you know, everybody in standing in 134 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:15.680 line trying to get to the damplane. This is the 135 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:19.040 delay you're talking about. Those people are fewer than the 136 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:22.040 people who find the rules. So this is like trying 137 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:24.720 to create a villain in the airlines for providing this 138 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:28.879 incentive where there is They're not a villain, there is 139 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:32.160 no The only group of constituents out there that would 140 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:34.680 benefit from this attack and maybe getting rid of this 141 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.519 incentive are people who want to carry on oversize bags, 142 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:38.759 and we can call. 143 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:40.839 Those in the minority, right, so we could call it 144 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:42.519 like the EPA checks we used to have here in 145 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:44.759 the in the city of a while where you had 146 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:46.680 to prove and like only three percent of the cars 147 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:48.879 failed or whatever, like hey, wait a minute, why are 148 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:51.680 we continuing to do this? And that's exactly the point. 149 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:53.600 But you know a lot of people push back on 150 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:56.759 airlines and I've told you I'm not ever encouraging people 151 00:06:56.839 --> 00:06:58.600 to do this. But when you show up at the 152 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:00.959 gate instead of paying to check your bag at the counter, 153 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:02.680 a lot of people drag that bag to the gate. 154 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:05.240 And when the airline says we're super full today, if 155 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:07.319 anybody would be kind up to let us check their bag, 156 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.040 we'll do it for free. Okay, take my four bags 157 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:11.680 and then boom, you didn't have to pay a penny 158 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:13.879 in the check bag fees. Now, I'm not telling people 159 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:16.079 to do that now, Brian. They do that all the time, 160 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:18.279 and you know, if it saves them money, I guess 161 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:20.279 they figure it's it's an okay thing to do. 162 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:23.079 Fair Enough, we got more topics talk about with iHeart 163 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.040 Media aviation next for Jay Ratless, So please don't go away, 164 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:26.800 We'll be right back. 165 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:31.879 Fifty five KRC, Would and Living Attorneys Head seventy one, 166 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:34.839 seventy five Sound found slows from the Lachland Split to 167 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.759 Town Street. I'm Heather Pasco on fifty five KRC the 168 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:39.399 talk station. 169 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:46.720 You ever been in the cockpit before? Jay RYTLFAZ. It's 170 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.160 a thirty nine on a Friday Eve. I heard media 171 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:51.279 aviation next for Jay Rattler. All right, so we were 172 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:53.680 talking in advance of the Thanksgiving holiday how busy it 173 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:55.959 was going to be and uh so, how did it 174 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:58.959 turn out in terms of airline travel and travel generally speaking? 175 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:00.720 Was it as bad as they already talking about? 176 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.279 Well, I always look at the number of people flying 177 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:08.959 and that is indicative many times of the challenges or 178 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:12.560 the success we had. Typically, the Sunday after Thanksgiving is 179 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:16.000 the busiest travel day of the year, and we get 180 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:19.000 every day from the TSA the number of screen passengers 181 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:23.519 that they had. And actually on the Sunday after Thanksgiving, 182 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:26.519 we did see a record number of travelers. It was 183 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:29.519 over three million people that we had traveling. It was 184 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:32.480 a record for the year. That was the most that 185 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:35.759 we had. But the second busiest day is typically and 186 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:38.919 always the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. So when you go back 187 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:42.159 and look at the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, Brant that number 188 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:45.120 was lower than what we expected. In fact, it was 189 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:49.759 probably number fifteen or sixteen ranking wise in the quarter 190 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.080 alone had nowhere near a record number of any kind, 191 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:55.919 and a lot of that had to do with the 192 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:58.440 weather and the number of delayed and canceled flights. So 193 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:02.639 the week ressed we were fighting weather delays that caused 194 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:05.200 a lot of problems, delayed a lot of people, had 195 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:08.759 people traveling on different days, canceling their reservations, all kinds 196 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:11.840 of things. So even though we ended the Thanksgiving holiday 197 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:14.840 week on a record as expected, the Sunday after Thanksgiving, 198 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:18.360 as we tend to do every year, the other days 199 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:20.600 that we had of the week were a little bit subdued, 200 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:23.320 and that's because we were fighting some weather issues. And 201 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:26.879 fortunately it improved is that weekend got here because we 202 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:29.399 needed that. But some people it was Monday or Tuesday 203 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:31.440 before they could get home because some of the flights 204 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:34.320 had been canceled, so it was a challenge. Now airlines 205 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:36.600 made money. They made quite a bit of it because 206 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:39.279 this is their super Bowl week, the busiest travel week 207 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:41.720 of the year, and they can charge higher fares, and 208 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:44.120 it ticks us off when they do, but there's nothing 209 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:46.480 we can do about it other than after the first 210 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:48.000 of the year, a lot of people are looking at 211 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:50.879 making next year's reservations. Buy them. If you know you're 212 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:53.720 going to be flying, grab the trip cancelation assurance, lock 213 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:57.120 in those super low fares, and then you're guarded against 214 00:09:57.159 --> 00:10:00.679 any future rating creation. And that's what the savvy travelers 215 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.720 do that every year that they fly, they say, look, 216 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:05.120 I know what I'm flying. I'm gonna buy them as 217 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.639 part in advance as I can. Yes, I'll get nine 218 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:12.279 million flight schedule changes once they make my reservation, but 219 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:15.039 two cares, I've locked in a lower fare. And if 220 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:16.960 it's the two entities. I want to pay the less two. 221 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:19.759 I've told you, Brian, it's airlines in the irs. So 222 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:22.240 if I can pay early to pay the airlines less, 223 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:24.279 you better believe it. I'm going to do that every 224 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:25.159 single chance. 225 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.200 I get, every chance you get. All right, Well, you 226 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:32.480 always emphasize how safe airline travel is. I mean, notwithstanding 227 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:35.240 the fact that Boeing has doors blowing off the aircraft 228 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:39.120 and crazy stuff happens, but overall it is a very 229 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:42.279 safe means of travel. You know, compared to automobiles and 230 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:44.799 pretty much any other form, you're probably less likely to 231 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:49.320 get killed in an airline crash. So apparently somebody added 232 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:52.879 up all the passenger miles flown since the last crash. 233 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:55.200 What is the total on that one, Jay. 234 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:58.159 Yeah, this goes back. Got a fifty seven hundred and 235 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:00.879 some days. The last airline crash who we had was 236 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:04.919 the Colgan Air crash in Buffalo killed fifty people February twelve, 237 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:08.279 two thousand and nine. So someone who obviously and clearly 238 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:10.519 had way too much time on their hands, did add 239 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:12.840 up all the number of passengers who've flown since then 240 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:16.000 and the miles they've flown going back to that crash 241 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:20.159 comes out to thirteen point three trillion miles. In other words, 242 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:22.879 two light years, if you know what that means. And 243 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:24.519 of course I don't know what the light year is, 244 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:29.480 but here's what I do understand. It's the same number 245 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:33.039 of miles that would be accumulated if you and I again, 246 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:37.080 this is the number of miles flown safely since the 247 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:39.840 last aviation crash here in the United States. You and 248 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.919 I could go to the moon and back twenty eight 249 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:48.240 million times. That's how big of a number it is. 250 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:51.000 So when when I say you're in a lot more 251 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:53.159 danger getting to the airport then you're going to be 252 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:56.720 getting on a plane, it's because, as I've said so 253 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:58.840 many times before, and we've talked about this for years, 254 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.559 we're enjoying, thank god, the safest air ever of commercial 255 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:04.799 jet travel. And that's because we have better technology, we 256 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:08.840 have better training. The pilots have more at their disposal 257 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:13.120 than ever in history. We've got mechanics, air traffic controllers, 258 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.120 everybody's doing their job on the ground in the skies. 259 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:19.320 And you know, the only danger is if we start 260 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:22.120 to become a little complacent. And that's where the Boeing 261 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:25.840 conversation begins, and I have not had enough coffee for 262 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:29.919 that one. But amazing when you look at just how 263 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:32.279 safe aviation is. And Brian, I remember when I got 264 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:36.480 started in the eighties, we had we had them every 265 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:38.759 year and the question was how many are we going 266 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:41.480 to have this year? We knew we were gonna have accidents, 267 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:43.279 we knew they were going to be fatalities, and this 268 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:45.799 is back in eighty one eighty two, and it was 269 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:47.799 a matter of how many are we gonna have this year? 270 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.919 It was it was never a even though we wanted it, 271 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:53.960 a foregone conclusion, you know, could we have fewer or 272 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.879 maybe none this year? But every when you look back 273 00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:01.200 at the history of aviation, sadly it's a reality that 274 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:03.440 seemed to always creep up. A lot of it had 275 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:05.799 to do with pilot there. And thank god for the NTSB, 276 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.559 the National Transportation Safety Board are the all stars because 277 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:12.879 every single accident or near accident, they would try to 278 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:16.279 glean from that the mistake or mistakes that were made, 279 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:19.399 enhancements that could be made, and they would pass those 280 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:22.639 on as recommendations to the Federal Aviation Administration, saying here's 281 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:27.600 our suggestions, twenty three ways where you can make aviation safer. Now, 282 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:29.879 my arivation is the FA might take one or two 283 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:33.720 of those only implement them into new changes. But Brian, 284 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:38.360 from every single accident or near accident, we've made aviation safer. 285 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:41.519 When we had the horrific crash of Air Canada back 286 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:46.159 here in the eighties at CBG, the NTSB came up, 287 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.919 I think with twenty six different recommendations on how to 288 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:53.679 make aviation safer. Many of those were implemented after that 289 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.159 crash and the lives that were lost, and you're always 290 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:59.519 wanting to learn from the crash so that any lives lost, 291 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:02.240 we can on the memory of those that we did 292 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:05.200 lose by making aviation safer. And that's what they've done, 293 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:10.120 year after year after year. And thirteen point three trillion 294 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:14.080 mile that's a lot, a lot my little brain and 295 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:16.759 I deal with numbers all the time. I numbers that big. 296 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:19.080 I know, I know, I know, But like every time 297 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:21.600 I mentioned, you know, a trillion dollars in debt or 298 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:23.600 a billion dollars spent, I always try to express it 299 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:26.879 in terms of thousands of millions, so you know you 300 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:29.840 got a billion, it's a thousand stacks of a million. 301 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.519 A trillion is a thousand stacks of a billion. It 302 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.039 tends to put things in perspective. So I appreciate your 303 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:37.720 going to the moon and back parallel on that figure. 304 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:38.360 Let's pause. 305 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:40.840 It helps us. Well, it's like the national debt right now, Yes, 306 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:44.159 exactly is thirty six trillion. And it's such a big number. 307 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:47.200 People don't understand it. But if you sat there and 308 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:50.639 went one, two, three, four, and every second had a number, 309 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:53.279 it would take you a million years to get to 310 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:56.320 thirty six trillion. Yes, so that's how big that number is. 311 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:59.200 Oh, I'm gonna get your blood pressure. 312 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.960 Yes, this guy's just well, yeah, pushing all my button and. 313 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:04.639 You're gonna you're gonna stay fighting on behalf of the 314 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:08.360 Spirit Airline employees. I think I understand why they are 315 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:11.320 as you described, furious. We'll bring Jay back for a 316 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.639 couple more topics. Hang on, it's eight forty six. I'd 317 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:18.639 be right back fifty five the talk station wrapping up 318 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:20.840 the full half hour with that jay rattle. If I 319 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.080 forced them to stay on for the whole time. It 320 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:28.080 just these topics are great. Spirit Airlines. I think their 321 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:32.080 employees are legitimately and the word you chose furious, explain 322 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:35.639 to my listeners what just justifies their anger. 323 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:40.919 Well, you talk about how Spirit Airlines, which has gone 324 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:44.519 into Chapter eleven bankruptcy. But before they they made that 325 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:47.960 leap Brian, they started laying off the other pilots, some 326 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:51.200 ground personnel. They were selling off their airplanes. They were 327 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:53.639 obviously in a lot of trouble. They tried they were 328 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:56.039 going to merge with Frontier, backed off of that, tried 329 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:58.480 to merge with Jet Blue, was denied. They went back 330 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:00.679 to Frontier. Frontier said no, we're not going to merge 331 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:02.840 with you. So they're trying to make it on their own. 332 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:06.120 So they're selling off all of this, laying off employees. 333 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:09.679 And then it's found out after the paperwork comes out 334 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:12.799 on the Chapter eleven bankruptcy filings, because it's all right 335 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:16.759 there that just before the airline filed for Chapter eleven bankruptcy, 336 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:20.240 they paid up five point three million dollars in retention 337 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:25.279 awards to five of their upper executives of the airline. Now, 338 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:28.200 imagine being laid off, trying to figure out what you 339 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:30.679 gonn do with your family for Christmas and finding out 340 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:32.159 that one of the people used to work for was 341 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:35.840 part of a five point three million dollar bonus that 342 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:40.440 was awarded before the airline filed Chapter eleven bankruptcy. Now, Brian, 343 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:42.559 all the years I was in the industry, especially at 344 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:45.720 Northwest Airlines, I was in management, used to butt heads 345 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:50.759 daily with my union friends, and I was never considered 346 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:53.279 a union kind of guy ever. But I tell you, 347 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.600 when I see this kind of stuff, where executives get 348 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:58.720 this kind of money, when they are the ones responsible 349 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:03.320 for the airline being driven into Chapter eleven bankruptcy, it 350 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.680 makes me want to lose my mind because I'm thinking, 351 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:08.119 but that's corporate America, and that's one of the reasons 352 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:09.839 I couldn't wait to get away from it all those 353 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:11.400 years ago, and it still bugs me. 354 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:16.400 To this day, I imagine so well, anyhow, as still 355 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:21.359 sorry for them, not the airline executive. Naturally, front Tier 356 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:25.240 taking an upgrade move. Here they're going to provide premium 357 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:26.319 first class seats. 358 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:29.839 Now, yep, I love Frontier. Remember they're the carrier that 359 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:32.519 came here first, bringing their one flight a day from 360 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.160 Dayton to Denver down to Cincinnati. When people said you're crazy. 361 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:38.319 That's where low cost carriers go to die. You'll never 362 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:42.200 make it. Frontier flourished. Here comes Allegiant Southwest moves our 363 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:45.960 operation from Dayton. I love Frontier and what they've said is, look, 364 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:48.440 some of our customers are saying they'd like premium seats. 365 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:51.319 So what they're going to do is they're on their 366 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:54.480 low cost carrier Airbus Aircraft. The first two roads are 367 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:57.519 going to be first class. And what they're saying is 368 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:00.759 we're hearing what our passengers want, but we're also following 369 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.119 the lead up. Remember Southwest Airlines is going to go 370 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:07.440 to assigned seats and have some premium or coach plus seats. 371 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.000 You've got other low cost carriers looking at this. Now. 372 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:13.960 Frontier says, look, our numbers say, if we give our 373 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:19.440 travelers first class, we're going to have additional revenue in 374 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.599 twenty twenty six to two hundred and fifty million dollars. 375 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:25.079 They think in twenty twenty eight that additional revenue because 376 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:27.400 of those premium seats that are going to be a 377 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:29.799 little bit more expensive than the typical Frontier seat, is 378 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:31.960 going to be five hundred million dollars in revenue in 379 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.599 twenty twenty eight. So they're going to be giving passengers 380 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:37.119 what they're asking for. They're going to make more money 381 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:40.599 as a result, and to fly a low cost carrier 382 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:44.839 with a first class option. I love that because what 383 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:46.960 you're doing is you're giving the passenger more options. You 384 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:49.880 don't have to sit there. But like every other carrier, 385 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:52.160 they're saying, we can really make some good money here 386 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:56.240 by making this option available for passengers. And I tell 387 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:58.519 you it's a move that from the low cost carrier side, 388 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:01.599 airlines are shifting in that direction. Spirit Airlines was also 389 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:04.680 a carrier that's decided to do that, which is a 390 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:07.839 long overdue that's going to help them in type of 391 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:09.480 move I wish they had done a years before. 392 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:13.160 Well, it takes it takes a little bit of that 393 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:17.000 budget stereotype off of the airline by having that option, 394 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:18.160 and you know, if you want to, you want to 395 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:19.960 stretch your legs out and still get a discount fly 396 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:21.359 it sounds like a great idea to me. 397 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.960 A you're gonna be on the premium, if you's gonna 398 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:25.200 be up front. You know a lot of people take 399 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:27.960 take the bulkhead rows like we do on those carriers. Sure, 400 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:29.559 so you've got that extra leg room, but to have 401 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:31.920