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Speaker 1: Understand the thinking atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,

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an idea.

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Speaker 2: The population of atheists this country is going through.

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Speaker 1: The rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If

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I tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth,

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not because.

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Speaker 2: I put my hand on a book and made a.

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Speaker 1: Wish and working together for a more rational world.

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Speaker 2: Take the risk of thinking. Feel so much more happiness.

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Truth Fusian wisdom will come to you that way.

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Speaker 1: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the

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Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the entire nation is on alert or be

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and much of the world is on alert for political

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reasons as the bombs are dropping and the chaos continues

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to ramp up. And on top of that, I'm here

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in Oklahoma. We are on alert for a different reason

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because it is again tornado season. Now it's always funny

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to see Native Oklahomas and people who just moved here

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and the different attitudes because the people who just moved here.

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When the sky turns green and everything gets really still

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and it's kind of humid in about eighty three degrees

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and you can just smell it like something's going down.

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There's gonna be a funnel at some point that drops

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out of the sky. The new person is like, oh

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my god, what do we do? Where do we go?

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They freak out, But the person who was born here,

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we're out in the yard with our phone video up

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looking for rotation. We think it's awesome. I mean not

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in the sense that there is destruction of property, loss

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of life, but I mean as far as the awesomeness

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of nature to be able to see something like that.

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And it used to be so rare to capture a

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tornado on video because we didn't have funds, we didn't

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have cameras when I was growing up. It was extremely

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rare for someone who happened to have, you know, an

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sd VHS video camera pointed in the direction of a tornado. Now,

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no matter where it drops, somebody's getting footage, probably in

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four K, and you're going to see it on television nationwide.

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So I'm that guy. You know, the radar turns purple,

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and the meteorologist is telling us what's going on. You know,

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he's going here and here's the damage path, blah blah blah.

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And I'm out front in the yard and I'm looking,

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just trying to see it. The storm shelters open, Natalie's ready,

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the dogs are ready. We have to go find Kat.

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But he goes in the storm shelter with us. But

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I'm not yet. I'm out there and it's really exhilarating.

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But my favorite part, my favorite part of being in

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Oklahoma in tornado season is every year I get to

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learn the names of small towns in this state that

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I'd never before knew existed. Peppered throughout Oklahoma are these

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little one horse towns, like an intersection, a stoplight, a

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gas station, maybe a tiny courthouse, and one police officer

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who's like sitting in his car at a speed trap

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because that's all there is to do. There's a shit

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ton of these little towns. And so the meteorologist is like,

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all right, we've got rotation over here in southwest Oklahoma.

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Looks like it's moving this direction now. If you're in

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the if you're in the region of and these are

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actual names of towns. If you're in the region of Greasy, Oklahoma,

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there's a place called Greasy. It's named after a creek

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near the town. There's a town in the southeastern part

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of Oklahoma, called Frogville bow Legs, Oklahoma. It's named after

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a Native American chief of the Seminole tribe, Chief Billy

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bow Legs. So you can go to bow Legs, Oklahoma.

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There's bug Tussle, Oklahoma. We've got rotation. Looks like there's

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a twister on the ground. If you're in the neighborhood

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of bug Tussle, you better take shelter. I'm watching television.

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I am just mesmerized. Slap out Oklahoma, hooker Oklahoma. Okay,

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like okay, so it's okay, Okay. There's a town with

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a three letter name initials I X L Oklahoma. I

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don't know what they stand for. What the hell? Slaughterville

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hog Shooter. That's my favorite so far of all the

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years I've been watching. I just wait every March April

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May for Travis Meyer. Our meteorologists use the word hogshooter.

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It's almost like a bingo game. A check off hogshooter,

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got hogshooter, bug Tussele, We've got non cookie town, Frogville bingo.

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That's me. Another awesome part of storm season and watching

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the weather guys on television is that we have storm trackers.

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their cars and vans and trucks. They are trained and

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they will follow their radar and all the meteorology information

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that they've got, and they will go and take audio

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and video, and they'll call in to talk to the

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meteorologist at the TV station for updates. And they have

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helped to save a lot of lives. Okay, so I'm

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not trying to diminish them. But when there's nothing to

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talk about, when there's no actual report, and yet Travis

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Meyer or whoever goes to them anyway, let's talk to

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see it out there? Well, trave, we see clouds and

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we've got a few sprinkles of rain, and there's a

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tiny bit of wind about ten fifteen miles an hour,

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Back to you, Trave, Thanks so much for the update.

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I'm sorry. Why did you go to ron? If an

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ef three bursts out of the sky, that's when we

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go to Ron. If baseball size hail plummet's out of

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the sky, that's when we go to run. Let's head

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out to Ricky. Ricky's down south of Moore, Oklahoma, we've

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got some action on the radar, Ricky, what do you

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see it? Well, we've got a little gray in the sky.

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creatures scatter across Highway thirty. You know, they say animals

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might have an intuition about whether or not shit's gonna

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go down. They don't say shit. And actually, you know

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what a guy did say shit? It was last year.

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It was last year. And let's go out to so

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and so. I remember the storm chaser's name, but they're

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live on television and he's cruising along down the highway.

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He's got his traffic cam pointed out through the windshield

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and he's given his report traverer looking at this, we're

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heading this direction whatever, and a big ass piece of hail,

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like a golf ball sized piece of hail drops out

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of the sky and smashes his windshield. Boom, and he

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says what we would say, He goes, shit. Oh, Travis

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was Oh, we're very very sorry about that. We're well

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sorry to our viewers about that. Where oh, we we

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understand he was. He was surprised and one of those

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but we we do, we do appreciate so much his

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his input. Sorry, sorry about that. And I'm like Jesus Christ.

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a culture? What would anybody say? I don't care. If

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you're a kid, you're twelve years old. A golf ball

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sized piece of hail strikes your windshield and cracks it

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as you're doing sixty miles an hour on Highway thirty seven,

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you say, shit, it's a release. It's natural. I think

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it's even healthy. And speaking of swear words, man, I'm

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all over the place this morning, Lucky you, I'm all

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over the place. What the hell is up with these

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social media sites that are striking anything with a swear

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word or what is considered a controversial word. You know,

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it's not like we don't know what the words are.

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But now, when you and I are scrolling Facebook or

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blue Sky or whether it's YouTube, and you're titling something,

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if you use a let's say you type shit in

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for some reason instead of the ie, you do an

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exclamation point so that your comment is not suppressed by

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an algorithm because you were not being offensive with profanity. Well,

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who doesn't look at that and still see shit? And

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it goes beyond profanity. If you talk about any controversial subject,

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you talk about abuse, Heaven forbid, you have to address rape.

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you strike out the A and you put I don't know,

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a hash sign or something, people still see the word.

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We're all adults here, We're talking about an adult issue.

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What the hell is going on? I was talking to

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Forrest Valcai, and he was saying that people who address

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serious issues like suicide, if you use that word somehow,

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the algorithm might push you out of the conversation. You

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might even get a content strike. And so people are

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now saying things like they on a lived themselves. I'm sorry,

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I just it's like you want to come back to

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something lighter, You want to laugh. When it comes to

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they allow the occasional shit. I think bitch can be said, certainly,

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Damn's been around forever. Hell is the easy one. But

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to watch television editors clumsily cover swear words with replacements

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is almost a spectator's sport. And I think the best

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one is from a movie called Snakes on a Plane.

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Samuel L. Jackson, who was known for his f bombs.

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There's this scene where they've got a plane full of

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venomous snakes at thirty nine thousand feet and he decides

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it we're sick of getting bit and killed and we're

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gonna do something about it. So he says something like

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I am sick and tired of these motherfucking snakes on

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this motherfucking plane. And the funny part about it is

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is right before he says the line, he pulls a

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pistol out of his pants and holds it up. He said,

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I'm tired of these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane.

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And then once he says the line, he sticks the

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gun back in his pants, like you need to Brandon,

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you got to show everybody the gun to give the line. Well,

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you know what, let me play the clip. Let me

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play the clip. This is the version that everyday network

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television played for the country.

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Speaker 3: I have had it with these monkey fighting snakes on

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this Monday to Friday play.

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Speaker 2: Now, I think the people who were preparing the film

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for television broadcast. I'm guessing he recorded the audio separately

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around the time of the film of the movie, knowing

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it would eventually go out to the public on network.

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knew this is folly. You're not going to cover this

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with anything that looks legit, and so they just decided

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to throw spaghetti against the wall and just go crazy

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with it. I'm sick and tired of these monkey fighting

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snakes on this Monday to Friday plane. And here's a

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little backstory, talk about taking some bunny trails. You just

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caught me on a day. But okay, So when the

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film was being shot, they were going for a PG

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thirteen rating. Well. PG thirteen is problematic when it comes

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to the F word. So you can apparently say it

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once or twice if it doesn't relate to sex, but

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if you are saying it's sexually, that automatically kicks you

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into an R rating. So for marketing reasons, the producers

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wanted Snakes on a Plane to be PG thirteen and

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they're like, uh, you know, we can't have that line.

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Samuel L. Jackson's like, no, I've got to say the

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word motherfucker in this movie. There's motherfucking snakes all over

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this plane. And they're like, we can't do that. So

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they wrap the film. They test the movie, and it

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turns out they decide they need it to have a

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motherfucker in it and release it as an R film,

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and they had to go back and reshoot it just

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so Samuel L. Jackson could swear more. I hated the movie.

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It wasn't I just don't want But the overdub is awesome.

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How did I get to where I've gotten? Oh my goodness,

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back to back to what's happening all around the planet

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right now. I was talking to my lovely wife. She

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has the biggest heart, and for the longest time, you know,

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she was like, you know, some of these people are

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such good people who've supported Trump. They're just wrong and

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you know they've been brainwashed and they're in a disinformation

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bubble and we just need to try to engage, and

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you know, there's got to be a way to reach them.

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So optimistic, so kind, so good. She is out of

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Fox to give the less specially the last six months

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have altered both of us. But Natalie is done. She's like,

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I'm done. I'm done with these people. There's no excuse.

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Ignorance is not an excuse. I don't care what network

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they've been watching. I don't care what newsfeed or algorithm.

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I don't give a shit. There is no excuse for

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not seeing who he is, hearing what he says, and

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watching what he does. I'm done. She's like, we need

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to just go out and shame these people. I'm gonna

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shame them. I'm gonna call them out if you're on

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my Facebook feed, and if you're gonna go defend Ice

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after they shoot Renee Good in the face three times,

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Alex Preddy in the back ten times, you're gonna defend Ice,

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I'm gonna freaking shame you. I'm gonna say these people

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had a name, these people had lives, They were protesting legally.

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This is an outrage. It's a secret police, a domestic

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terrorist organization. How could you the Epstein files? Oh my god,

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how dare you support a man who so obviously raped

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children and was part of a sex trafficking ring and

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was one of the best buddies of the planet's most

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notorious pedophile. She's gonna shame them. She's done. Done. It's

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been interesting to watch, and honestly I wouldn't tangle with her.

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She'll mess you up. She's like, I'm sick and tired

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of these motherfucking magas on this motherfucking plane. That's what

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she would say. I am sick and tired of these

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monkey fighting magas on this Monday to a plane, That's

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what she would say. And I think a lot of

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people feel that I've changed. There's scar tissue on my heart.

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I try to be optimistic. I was talking to Fish

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Stark and there is what's his name, a comedian and activist,

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is it Steve hoff Setter? Let me look this up, Hofstetter,

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Steve hoff Stetter, And he said something that has gotten

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me to think there are a lot of people who

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were like I will never, ever, ever, ever forgive Trump

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voters for where they brought us. And I have felt

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that in my heart right or wrong, good or bad,

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rational or irrational. I know it's an emotional response. I

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have felt that, how in the world do I give

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you any space after the damage you have wrought on

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the rest of us. But he said something that I

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think I buy and it's actually helped me. Let me

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pull that video clip up and let me play it

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for you. I'll come back and comment and then we'll

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get to your calls. Okay.

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Speaker 4: There have been many people publicly regretting their vote for

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Donald Trump, and I understand the instinct to tell those

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people to go fuck themselves. For those of us who

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have been sounding the alarm about his Trump First platform

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for over a decade, I get it. It is frustrating

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to see the same people who put us in this

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situation expecting to be welcomed back with open arms. There

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is a kind part of me that wants to say

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great to have you, welcome to the resistance. There's also

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a strategic part of me, and the strategic part of

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me wants to do everything I can to not push

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them into voting for Jadie Vance or Tom Cotton or

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Ted Kruz or whatever me first fascist shit bag that

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the GOP runs next. But there is another part of

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me that understands this instinct to shut them out for

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what they've done. You don't just get to ruin the

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world and then say sawe and be welcomed back to

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civilized aciety. You don't get to destroy the public institutions.

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It took centuries to build to ruin the lives of

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hundreds of thousands of immigrants just for the color of

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their skin, to enrich blillionaires at the expense of hard

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working Americans. The same podcasters that helped elect Donald Trump

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are now talking about the damage he's done from ice

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and tariffs and covering up Epstein, and so much of

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me wants to tell them to go fuck themselves to

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the harm that they've caused. Many years ago, I was

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a guest on Joe Rogan's show, Andrew Schultz credited my

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work for why he focused on growing his YouTube, and

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the one that hurts the most, I counted Theovaugh among

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my close friends. I haven't spoken to any of them

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in many years, and it is so difficult not to

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reach back out just to scream at them for how

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irresponsibly they've used their platforms. But the kind part of

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me and the strategic part of me is still there.

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So here is what I will say to them and

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any Republican politician or pundit or person who finally realized

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what the rest of us have known for years that

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Donald Trump is and always will be a selfish con

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man who is simply looking out for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Do the work.

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Speaker 4: If you're actually sorry for your vote or how you

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used your platform and the harm that it's caused, what

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are you going to do to fix it? Because saying

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that you're sorry is not enough. You have to put

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the work in to fix this, because it is going

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to be a lot of work. If you're actually sorry,

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get in the trenches with the rest of us. Support

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local programs that help the people that you've hurt. Platform

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the candidates that will help us rebuild the institutions that

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we've lost. Community, organize, show up, and when you do that,

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we will know that you actually mean what you say.

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But if you don't, then you can go fuck yourself.

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Speaker 2: I think that makes a lot of sense. All right, Fine,

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you were brainwashed, you were wrong, you were essentially part

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of a hate group, but you crawled your way out

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and you realize now you're wrong, you were wrong, and

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you did great damage. Well that's the first part of

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the conversation. And at that point you still don't get

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any quarter. What are you going to do about it?

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Get your ass out there and sound that alarm and

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pound that drum and ring that bell and say I

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was wrong and this is an atrocity, and other people

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need to hear my voice. They need to go into

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maga circles and they need to have hard conversation. They

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need to contact their elected officials, They need to join

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us on the front lines of the marches. They need

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to be as loud and public as possible. Show me

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there's an entire culture of people who were kind of

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quiet quitting Donald Trump. Have you noticed they're not really

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saying anything. They just got kind of quiet. The yard

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signs disappeared, maybe they peeled the bumper sticker off the car.

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They yet it's Trump, but they're sitting in the shadows,

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or they're sitting on their hands, And I'm like, you

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don't get quarter from me. If you have true remorse,

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if you regret your decision, if you know damage is

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being done, you got about ten seconds to get your

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ass next to me, shoulder to shoulder, on the front lines,

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and prove that you give a damn. Otherwise I don't

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give a damn about you. That's where I have come.

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Is that too much? Is it not enough? Oh? I know,

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opinions going to vary, and I would be curious to

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hear what your opinions are. We will take your calls

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in just a moment. Hang on, you've heard me babbel

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for twenty minutes. Now. I would like to hear what

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our callers wish to talk about. As we go to

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the phones. Kayla dialing in looks like from my relative location, Kayla,

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are you there?

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Speaker 5: I sure, I Ane, It's good to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: What's going on, Kayla.

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Speaker 5: I'm tired. I'm tired. Seth. Yeah, I'm tired of Trump,

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I'm tired of Maga. I'm tired of everything going to shit.

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I'm tired of everyone around me being a supporter and

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just so blindly following it. I'm just I'm exhausted.

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Speaker 2: Back in the day, did you have this thought, this

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will be a deal breaker, that's going to be a

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bridge too far, this is beyond the pales, certainly, that

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will wake them up. Did you think at some point

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there would be a moment for sure?

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Speaker 5: For sure, especially coming from a family where we know

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people close to us and our family and friends that

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have been sexually abused or assaulted. We have friends that

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are not white, and you know, like we we tried

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to be loving people. I was raised to be a

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loving person that color doesn't matter and doesn't matter if

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you're a man or a woman, where we should all

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be treated equal and with love and respect. And yet

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it doesn't matter what proof comes up, It doesn't matter

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who's been hurt they still just the kool aid is

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so strong they just refuse to see any of it.

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Oh yeah, when the Democrats did this. Yes, unfortunately how religious?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 5: Growing up, I was in the church quite a bit

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and it was more with my mom's side, But as

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I got older, my dad kind of drank the kool

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aid too, And they're turning into really really hardcore like

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Bible thumpers. And I don't get it, Like, I just

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don't understand it.

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Speaker 2: Do they know about you and what your opinion is?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the thing that really bothers me. They do there,

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or at least they know to a degree I've gotten nowhere.

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I just feel like I can't even have that conversation

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because I get so worked up and I can't deal

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with just their tactics of oh well, what about this,

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or oh well, let me make up this fact or

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let me use this made up fact. I don't know.

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It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: There are thousands of people in this audience who are

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feeling exactly what you're feeling. Have you been tempted to retreat,

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to sort of physically pull away? I know, emotionally it's got.

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Speaker 6: To be that way.

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Speaker 5: Well, and that's the other thing you know, my relationship

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with you know, my parents especially and my father just

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had in recent years really improved, and now it's like,

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now there's this new wedge or this wedge that has

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been worsening for the past several years because of this

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political and ideological divide, and it's made my relationship with

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my family members that are closest to me. It's made

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our relationship so shallow because they're so little that we

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can talk about.

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Speaker 2: It's also hard when you don't respect them. How do

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you respect somebody who supports a pedophile and a grifter

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and a con and a manchild and all those things.

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Speaker 5: You know, absolutely, it makes it such a hot and

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cold back and forth struggle to try to nurture my

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relationship with them as it was improving. But now I've

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got this new, awful tumor on our relationship, just stressing

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it because our beliefs and our feelings about things are

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so vastly different, which again just blows me away, because

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I mean, they raised me, and I don't want to

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be like I turned out fine, but I feel like

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I turned out pretty okay. Yeah, but yet they've made

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this regression in how they view the world and how

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they see people and it is it's really disgusting. It's scary.

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Speaker 2: I hope you survive. It's a low bar.

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Speaker 5: I do too. I do too, I hope. I just

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like I don't have any answers or anything. I just

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want to know I'm not alone.

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Speaker 2: You are absolutely not alone, and I think many share

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your frustration and you can vent here. This is a

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place where you can express yourself freely, maybe in ways

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that you don't feel liberated enough to do. And you know,

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in terms of mom and dad, it's okay. We got

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your back here. So thank you for calling. It's nice

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to talk to.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: All Right, We'll see you soon.

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Speaker 1: Ight.

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Speaker 2: There was this article by The Nation magazine. It released

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in February on the twentieth of February of this year,

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titled magas Reaction to the Epstein Files reveals total moral collapse.

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The subtitles as the rights moral charade was always going

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to be undone by the Trump of it all. Let

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me read the first couple of paragraphs of the article

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for you. Every segment of the Trump backing right wing America,

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first nationalist Trump loyalists and rank and file MAGA activists

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has unsubscribed from the idea that there is any such

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thing as right and wrong, much less that wrongdoing should

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result in consequences, and in fact there's no behavior. Trump's

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GOPCS has too wrong to vote for, and late July

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twenty twenty five, almost half a Republican said they would

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keep voting for Trump even if he were officially implicated

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in Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking activities. Crime is legal where

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right wingers are concerned, however heinous the crime is, at

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least for themselves. The right still has morals for days

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when it comes to black folks, immigrants, and trans people.

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Its moral code has always been selected and conditional, rigorously enforced,

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and mercilessly punitive toward outsiders and others, but generally indifferent

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to even the worst acts by those on the right

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side of whiteness and power. Willhoyd's law, coined by music

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composer Frank Wilhoyt in a now famous twenty eighteen comment

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on a political science blog, neatly captures this truth quote.

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Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition. There must be in

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groups whom the law protects but does not bind alongside

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out groups. Whom the law binds but does not protect,

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and now it's ditching even its in group protections. The

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article goes on and on, and then the rest of

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it is under a paywall. And as much as I

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do like the nation, I am subscribed to enough publications

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and I quite frankly can't keep up, so I'll just

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leave it there. I do the same thing with my

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television streaming services. Have you noticed. I actually called last

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year to the cable satellite company and I'm like, okay, well,

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what if I was to put like a receiver TVO

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unit and get two actual satellite outlets in my house

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to get all the hundreds and hundreds of channels that

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I know I'm not gonna watch. Because I thought, well,

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I'm starting to subscribe to all these different services, and

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they're like, no problem, and I forgot what it came

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to a month. It's like ninety dollars a month. Uh well, okay,

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00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:34,839
Now if you want the unit, the DVR unit, well

472
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,279
that's going to be another whatever. And then if you

473
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,599
want this package that actually gives you the channels you're

474
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,000
looking for, tennis channel, et cetera, Oh, that's a bigger package.

475
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:48,480
So now you're looking at one hundred and forty one

476
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:51,240
hundred and fifty a month, and I'm like, I'm sorry,

477
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:53,240
do you just tell me I'm supposed to pay two

478
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,720
thousand dollars a year for television, and the kicker on

479
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,680
top of having to pay for it all is we're

480
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,920
still watching a shit ton of ads. Well wait a minute,

481
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,000
am I paying for the programming or not? And so

482
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,319
instead it's sort of a death by a thousand cuts.

483
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,119
I got Netflex and I can told Hulu Disney because

484
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,680
screw those people. I got the Peacock Network. I'm subscribed

485
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,319
to Shutter because I like horror movies. I don't know,

486
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:22,319
there's maybe one or two others, So you figure what

487
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:27,200
fifteen sixteen a month per I don't know why I

488
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,240
went off on that tangent I just did. I've got

489
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,720
is it Rion or Rain? Dialing in from seven to

490
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,680
four zero? How do I pronounce your name?

491
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 5: Yes?

492
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: It's Rain, Hey, Rain, Thanks for calling? What do you

493
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:39,359
want to talk about?

494
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,119
Speaker 7: So the original topic was do you believe? Because I've

495
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,440
kind of heard this theory about it around a little bit. Essentially,

496
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,799
the Bible was just kind of created to essentially create

497
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:52,440
the patriarchy and uphold it, but I kind of wanted

498
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,039
to extend that to just kind of maybe it's to

499
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:59,000
excuse terrible behavior in general?

500
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:05,119
Speaker 2: Was Bible created to support the patriarchy and does it

501
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,839
now just serve as an excuse for bad behavior in general?

502
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,240
I'm restating the question to make sure I understand.

503
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:14,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, basically just kind of essentially was it created to

504
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,640
excuse shitty behavior essentially?

505
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,079
Speaker 2: Well, I can't speak to motivation as to why the

506
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:22,920
Bible books were written. I mean, there's so much over

507
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,039
so many years and years and hundreds of years, and

508
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,000
we do know that the Bible is imbued with patriarchy, right,

509
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:33,799
there is very much a diminishing of women into second

510
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:38,519
class citizenship or worse. So, whatever the other agendas were,

511
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,400
misogyny was certainly a big part of it. Have I

512
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,960
seen people use the Bible as an excuse to do

513
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:47,039
good yep? Have I seen them use the Bible as

514
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:50,119
an excuse to be shitty? Yep. So I can't totally

515
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:53,279
speak to motivation in regard to the authors or the believers.

516
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:56,240
I think it's situational, person by person. What do you think.

517
00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 7: I think it's very possible. I'm kind of in the

518
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,599
same boat, like, yeah, you could definitely use it that way.

519
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:05,200
I kind of see it as a tool, a hammer

520
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,200
as a tool. You can use it for good, you

521
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,440
can use it to kill a person. But I have

522
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,519
kind of heard the theory, and I was just kind

523
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:13,400
of reaching out and trying to see if there's maybe

524
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,759
anybody else that's kind of heard that theory before and

525
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:21,079
has any evidence like for or against, because it does

526
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,160
make an intriguing theory, but thus far there doesn't seem

527
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,000
to be any concrete evidence for or against it.

528
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: So, I mean, it is the question that the end

529
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:34,519
zone for the creation of all the scriptures was to

530
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:36,319
make women less than men.

531
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Speaker 7: I don't know why. I mean, I yeah, I guess

532
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,960
I would be because essentially the patriarchy does do that.

533
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,960
But I've just always kind of heard like, yeah, it was,

534
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:50,359
you know, just used to support the patriarchy because, you know,

535
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:52,920
rather than be like, well, how dare human beings do

536
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,160
this to other human beings, essentially it would be like, well,

537
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,319
you're going against this will of something that's untouchable and

538
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:03,400
so much larger than you and have so much power,

539
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,599
and so essentially the theory kind of goes that it

540
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,640
was basically a scare tactic to not really get people

541
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,480
to think about the patriarchy and how much it's screwing

542
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,559
people essentially and how much power it's given them.

543
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: Well, I can't speak to what motivated the authors. How

544
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,759
I don't even know who the authors were. I think

545
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,119
probably the agendas were wildly varied. But sexism, misogyny, the

546
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,640
subjugation and oppression of women, that's just littered throughout the Bible,

547
00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:37,759
Old Testament and news. So whatever the agenda was, we

548
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:41,359
know it was a man's book written for a man's agenda.

549
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,839
And this idea that Jesus or God is pro woman

550
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,400
to me is not rooted in any way on the

551
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:51,640
Christian scriptures, for what it's worth, but it's an interesting question.

552
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:53,640
Thanks for posing it, Rain, Thanks.

553
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 7: For calling not problem.

554
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: Have a great day, yep see. I am working on

555
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,440
a presentation about Jesus. I think I did a version

556
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,359
of this maybe ten years ago. I called it the

557
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,240
Changing Face of Jesus, and it talks about how our

558
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:11,079
gods have always looked like us and kind of fit

559
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,079
what we want or what we think or what our

560
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,039
values are, etc. That Susan B. Anthony quote comes to mind.

561
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,279
I distrust people who tell me what God wants because

562
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:25,000
it always seems to coincide with their own desires. That's

563
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:28,119
a paraphrase, but I'm going through this idea that you know,

564
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:31,119
if I was to walk into a Baptist church down

565
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:36,119
the road here in white bread, corn fed, red state Jesustown, Oklahoma,

566
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,640
right Protestant Christian Oklahoma, and I was to show them

567
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:43,599
that artist depiction of the Middle Eastern Christ with the

568
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:47,839
brown skin, the attributes that were extremely Middle Eastern and

569
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,000
not European Caucasian, what would the response be? And I

570
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,000
think a lot of these Oklahoma Baptists would lose their

571
00:33:56,519 --> 00:34:01,599
minds because their Jesus is white Jesus in their illustrated

572
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,559
children's bibles. It's the one on the portrait hanging in

573
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,279
the lobby, It's the one that they put on the

574
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:12,519
big screen in the billboards. Is freaking white Jesus, fair skinned,

575
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,480
light brown hair, blue eyes Jesus. And so my presentation

576
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:20,480
is really about how we make gods in our own image.

577
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,000
And if you go to different cultures throughout the last

578
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:28,960
almost two thousand years, you see reflections of various identity groups,

579
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:35,440
ethnic groups, political agendas, etc. They're Jesus looks just like them.

580
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:39,719
You know, there's a Persian Jesus that really speaks more

581
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,559
to Islam and the prophet character of Jesus who was

582
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,280
not the son of God. You've got Native American Jesus.

583
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,039
You've got African American Jesus. There's a Hindu Jesus. Some

584
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:53,840
of these are hybrids of Christianity with other religions. Some

585
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,559
people would say that's sack religious, but I'm like, well,

586
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,239
what further evidence do we need that, at least at

587
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,440
some level, we make gods in our own image. So

588
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:06,000
that's the speech that I'm getting ready to give here

589
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:09,599
in a few weeks. It will eventually make its way online,

590
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:12,599
but you know, everybody's got an agenda. And don't tell

591
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:16,039
me the authors of Scripture didn't have some kind of

592
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:19,480
an end zone in mind. I've got Ron dialing in

593
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:23,360
from Canada. Ron, thanks for waiting. Are you there, I'm here?

594
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 8: How are you doing?

595
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm well, what's up? What do you want to talk about?

596
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,559
Speaker 8: One of the thoughts that I had about Mega, it

597
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:33,440
feels to me like there are a different species. Like

598
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:38,000
you mentioned your wife saying, you know how patient, love

599
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:40,360
it and kind she is. But after ten years, she's

600
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,599
kind of had enough and said, man, these people need

601
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:46,000
to be publicly shamed. It feels like when you're trying

602
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:49,079
to talk to some of these folks with their ideologies,

603
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:54,480
you're just hitting a wall that is impenetrable. And the

604
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:57,679
propaganda that they've been fed through Fox News, they just

605
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,960
live and breathe it and believe it. How do you

606
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:01,880
reason with that?

607
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: Oh, this is a question for the anxius. I've attempted

608
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,519
to reason with it over and over and over and

609
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:13,679
over and over, and right or wrong. I gave up.

610
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:16,280
I've just written them off. I'm like, if you're going

611
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,320
to have an epiphany, it's going to have to happen

612
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,440
without me. I'm going to steamroll past or over you.

613
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,159
I'm done. And you know, I hate that about myself.

614
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:28,719
I just hate that I've come to this place.

615
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you know, I really run into it

616
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,719
with Like I can see the parallel with sort of

617
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,400
the hardcore evangelical group too, where they belies. They have

618
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:41,199
to tell themselves to believe that Yahweh is a good

619
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,880
and loving God. You know, they twist themselves in not

620
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,559
trying to justify a lot of the you know, genocidal

621
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,199
acts that this so called Levey yahweh does and justify

622
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,679
that and say that, well, God's within his right to

623
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,400
do these things. So it's not hard to see the

624
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,880
next step for with Trump that they just justify and

625
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:02,920
sort of overlook and give Trump a pass and all

626
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,280
the acts he's doing. Or they'll say, well, you know,

627
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,239
he's kind of like that king that the Bible talks,

628
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,840
but he's not great. But you know, it's what God wants.

629
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,079
And who are we to question God's authority book who

630
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:17,480
he puts in charge of us. We need to pray

631
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:17,960
for him.

632
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:22,519
Speaker 2: If a Democrat is elected in the next presidential election,

633
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,239
watch all of those people stop saying we need to

634
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,760
pray for the president just they're immediately going to go silent. Yes,

635
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:35,920
there are potential reasons to be optimistic. I just read that.

636
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,599
I think fifty plus congress people are not running again

637
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,559
in the midterms, and the majority of those people are Republican.

638
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:46,159
Part of me wonders if they're rats that are fleeing

639
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:51,719
the sinking ship. We see Texas may turn blue. That's wild.

640
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was wild and deep red riding went blue

641
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,239
by a lot.

642
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: If we do have an election and you know, if

643
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,360
they try not to have an election, I think there's

644
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,119
going to be I don't know what's going to happen,

645
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:06,519
but it's gonna get Shit's gonna get crazy.

646
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 8: Do you think Margie Taylor Green is the genuine of

647
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,039
what she's doing. She's just flaeing a sinking ship and

648
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:17,000
trying to save her skin and try to get Marjorie.

649
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: Taylor Green is a poisonous snake. She waited far enough

650
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,920
into her term so she would get full benefits from

651
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,960
serving in Congress, and only then did she come forward

652
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,599
and start wailing about the Epstein files and the injustice

653
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:34,360
of it all and going after Trump. And I think

654
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,079
in some ways she's trying to whitewash much of her

655
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:43,320
own legacy. She has a long time legacy of hateful, bigoted, nasty, awful,

656
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:47,360
conspiratorial behavior. I'm not gonna forget that just because she

657
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,679
happened to line up on the right side of a

658
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,039
single issue. I think she's a snake. I wouldn't trust

659
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:56,880
her any further than I can throw her. Yeah, hey, Ron,

660
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,760
I appreciate the call. I got to bust out of here.

661
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 8: Okay, okaye, thanks so much.

662
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeap, see you later, Marjorie Daylor Green. She walks into

663
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:13,880
the room. You're still alone, and she has been so awful,

664
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,800
and all of a sudden, I've seen some of my

665
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,679
fellow liberals and they're starting to share her stuff and

666
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,360
say good for her. She's seen the light. I don't

667
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,719
think she has. I think whatever she's doing is self serving.

668
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:28,559
I think she is as dull as a sack of

669
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:33,840
wet mice. She's got some nutbar ideas about the world.

670
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:39,559
She's totally bigoted, totally bigoted. Her heart is not a

671
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:42,639
good one. She's not going to get a pass from

672
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,480
me just because she happened to line up on Epstein

673
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:49,079
or whatever. But that's kind of where I fall How

674
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:53,679
do you fall on? Marjorie Taylor Green? Three one three

675
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:58,000
Gary is dialing in. Gary, are you with, Oh yeah,

676
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:00,639
I'm here, all right, Gary, it's on your mind.

677
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: It's all over the place right now. You know Epstein

678
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,639
and everything else, and some of the ship that's coming

679
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:09,000
down on that. Who is it that said, if you

680
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,400
can get someone to believe absurdities, you can get them

681
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:17,079
to do atrocities. Well that's where the Christianist Republicans are.

682
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,760
They believe absurdities, they'refore, they're quite willing to do atrocities.

683
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: Voltaire. Those who can make you believe that absurdities can

684
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,400
make you commit atrocities.

685
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:32,199
Speaker 3: And the thing I find amazing is that they'll come

686
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:35,480
across well, what if there's Democrats in the f Stein files. Well,

687
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,519
if there's evidence that Democrats committed those kinds of crimes,

688
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:40,000
they should be punished for them.

689
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit who's there to files. I mean,

690
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,159
I don't care whoever it is. It's my favorite politician,

691
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:47,480
my next dar neighbor.

692
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: And the thing is because we're not reflexively supporting our leaders,

693
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:57,639
which is what they're doing. It's a cult. The Republican

694
00:40:57,679 --> 00:41:01,039
Party is no longer a political party. It's the Trump cult.

695
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: Imagine Abraham Lincoln if he was alive today and looking

696
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,679
at his part, I.

697
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,199
Speaker 3: Think he would be swinging that axe rather freely, you know,

698
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,639
the one to use for real splitting.

699
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: Hopefully he wouldn't be committing homicide, but I understand he

700
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,960
would be extremely frustrated and probably shouting at all the

701
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,840
people who had sold out the party.

702
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,159
Speaker 3: It is a cult. They won't come out of it

703
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,960
because it is a cult. They've drunk the kool aid

704
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:29,599
to the fact the picture's empty. And I've seen it.

705
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:32,679
I've seen my own relatives go down that line. My father,

706
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,920
who claims to be, you know, the Christian, is Christian,

707
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,119
that ever Christian, but he supports Trump, one of the

708
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:39,760
least Christian men I've ever seen.

709
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: You bring up an interesting point that I'll get into

710
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000
a little more in just a few Gary, But I

711
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:46,639
do appreciate the call very much.

712
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: It's nice talking to you, all right, brom be good.

713
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,679
Speaker 2: We'll see you later. Okay, go to a Bible banging Christian.

714
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:57,679
So show me one attribute in Donald Trump that emulates

715
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,400
the best teachings of Jesus Christ, or the best teaching

716
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,320
is in scripture.

717
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:02,599
Speaker 3: Right.

718
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: Do not bear false witness, not even close guys a

719
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:15,000
serial liar, Do not lust, do not commit adultery. Humble yourself.

720
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:18,760
Pride goes before the fall. Are you shitting me? Have

721
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:23,000
you ever seen a bigger ego maniac? A soft answer

722
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:27,280
turns away wrath. Don't be a bully, blessed are the meek?

723
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:33,039
Don't take revenge vengeance his mind saith the Lord Donald Trump,

724
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,119
I think in his book was at the art of

725
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:37,280
the deal. I know he's spoken it from the stage

726
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,679
on many occasions. His word is get Even if somebody

727
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,199
screws you, screw them back and screw them back in spades.

728
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:50,000
And of course the evangelical maga Christians are cheering, what

729
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:53,840
the fuck, I think to myself time after time, the

730
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:59,440
best teaching of Christ Donald Trump. There's no crossover, and

731
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:03,159
they just don't care. And I think part of this

732
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,280
is and I think someone had mentioned maybe earlier in

733
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,159
the show, and trying to remember the Bible itself, fundamental

734
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,599
Christianity and high control religions in general prime people to

735
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:18,039
respond to authority figures with the capital A right. So

736
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,239
if God in the Bible says I want it done

737
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,440
this way, and this is a commandment, and the word

738
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:28,199
obedience has just littered throughout scripture, obey, obey, obey, obey, obey,

739
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,280
supposed to obey your leaders. We see this in the

740
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,360
patriarchal model for the family, as the wife is supposed

741
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,039
to obey the husband, who is the authority who has

742
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:42,679
been placed in that position by the greater authority, which

743
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,079
is God, the umbrella authority, and you're just supposed to

744
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:49,840
obey and do whatever. So if this particular culture slash

745
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,039
cult believes that Donald Trump has been placed divinely by

746
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:57,360
God above. He is now the one who has to

747
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,480
be obeyed without question. It's a get out of thinking

748
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:04,280
free card. It's a get out of moral reasoning free card.

749
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:07,159
He says it. We do it. And this is an

750
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,440
entire culture of followers who've been primed by a religion

751
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:16,599
to respond to savior figures. Donald Trump says, I alone

752
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:19,480
can fix it. It was a few years after the first

753
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:24,440
election that he said I am the chosen one. You've

754
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,199
got depictions of Donald Trump wearing a king's crown. He's

755
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,679
been carved in gold and displayed at the Seapad convention

756
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,400
in twenty twenty one. There's a gold idol of him

757
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,000
in an AI video that he reposted that shows him

758
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:44,880
standing fifty feet over Guza as he turns the now

759
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:50,760
decimated Gaza into a Trump resort. Yay, a golden idol.

760
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:54,039
I just don't understand these people, except that I know

761
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:58,079
that in many cases, their religion primes them to respond

762
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:01,079
to any body who shows up, bangs a Bible and

763
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:04,519
invokes the name of God. And how freaking lazy are

764
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:08,280
you to follow that kind of person? How awful is

765
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,440
your moral compass. How screwed up is that for you

766
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:13,599
to look at that guy and see anything other than

767
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,639
just poison. Let me take a real short break more

768
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,440
with you, your calls, whatever you want to talk about

769
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:30,039
on the way. Before I get back to your calls,

770
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,519
I would like to ask for a favor. I got

771
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:36,239
a birthday coming up next month, so I'll ask maybe

772
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,000
for a birthday gift your support for the broadcast. I

773
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:42,360
won't go into details, but it's a weird time for

774
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,519
content creators, and there's a whole bunch of stuff happening

775
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:51,239
behind the scenes with the requirements and apples making some

776
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,079
maneuvers with how podcasts are distributed on its app blah

777
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:59,960
blah blah. It is in some ways harder for content

778
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:03,639
creators to be able to make a living via advertising

779
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,920
unless you are Joe Rogan, unfortunately, and so for people

780
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,480
like me, Patreon helps to fill that gap. It is

781
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,800
just a lifeline. And I'm so thankful to be able

782
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,400
to do this for you full time. And if you

783
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:20,880
are a fan of the show, if it helps you,

784
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,079
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785
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786
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,679
A lot of folks don't care about that. They just

787
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,719
listen on the regular app. But they want to be

788
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,840
a part and they want to support it. It makes

789
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,760
a big difference. And I would be honored to have

790
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,679
you as a patron. I'll give you everything I've got.

791
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:43,199
I'm going to continue to produce content and you know,

792
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,159
try to make a dent as best I can and

793
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,800
help you to do the same. Patreon dot com slash

794
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,639
Seth Andrews and I am bowing. I'm on my knees

795
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,800
bowing in your general direction. Thank you so very much.

796
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:05,519
I've got Dale dialing in at eight zero three. Dale.

797
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:06,000
Are you there?

798
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 6: Yes, Seth? How you doing today? My friend?

799
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm all right, what's up?

800
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 6: Love, Let's see your show and Seth. People got to

801
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,480
realize that, you know, we've got to get out and

802
00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:17,519
we got to vote and change everything over. But people

803
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:20,679
got realized for the last forty seven years that it's

804
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:24,079
slowly been taken over by Israel. We have been taken

805
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:27,400
from the outside again. And people don't see that today.

806
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,880
They gotta wake up and see because there's time something

807
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,960
comes from BB comes over and straight's out, trumps and

808
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:35,960
kicks it in the ass and get things going again.

809
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: Well, let me make sure I understand what you're saying.

810
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:44,719
I know that even many Israelis are opponents of Nutting Yahoo.

811
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,360
They think he's disgusting. They don't agree with the government

812
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,480
and the genocide in Gaza. I know that there are

813
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,360
a great many people who do believe Israel is part

814
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,239
of an end time's narrative. The Zionists, etc. Who say

815
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,480
that this is all biblical and so we have to

816
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:02,280
support it is reel at any cost, and net and

817
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,639
Yahoo etc. Have certainly been playing on that for who

818
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:07,880
knows how long? Is that the point you're trying to

819
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,440
make it is.

820
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 6: Seth it is you know, this has been going on

821
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,360
ever since forty seven years, wouldn't you know they clonalize

822
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,000
and let them all get together. But since then they

823
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:20,440
have slowly come in and taken over inside our government.

824
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,039
But we need to clean the house and start fresh

825
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:24,800
again and make it happen.

826
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: Well, hang on. Part of this sounds that there is

827
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,320
a conspiracy theory, and it is often quite a xenophobic

828
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,039
and even racist, where people say that the Jews have

829
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:38,800
infected all aspects of American society and this is all

830
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,960
part of a vast conspiracy to control our banks and

831
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:44,480
run the world. I'm not hearing that, am I.

832
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 6: Well that that's coming, it's coming. But you know, Jews

833
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,039
have the right, You're there's some good people, honest, now

834
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,519
Jewsy Israel. But yeah, it's just the way that the

835
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,480
system is taken over by the Oligar. So I saw

836
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,880
this to it in the Zionis are behind it. You

837
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,679
look at everybody who's in our position in the head,

838
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,920
they're all Zionist Jews. There's some good Jews that there,

839
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,800
really are. They have resistant to us this, but you know,

840
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,559
we've got to get the bad ones out. We've got

841
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:15,159
to weed things out like everything else.

842
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:17,199
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going there with you. I mean, I

843
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,480
buy the oligarchy, I buy the billionaire class. I buy

844
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:25,079
people in the shadows who've been puppeteering the Supreme Court,

845
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:29,000
et cetera. I do not buy the conspiracy theory that

846
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:32,239
the Jews are infecting us all and it's the Jews

847
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,880
who are running that show. And if you start to

848
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,159
speak in that way, you realize how problematic that is.

849
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,639
The Jews, the Jews, the Jews, this is part of

850
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:45,159
a deep state QAnon conspiracy theory about your work.

851
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 3: Actually, you're right.

852
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right, you're right. I'm sorry on that part.

853
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,400
It's not it's not the Jews fault, you know, it's

854
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,960
olig Ouris and people who have the money and powers

855
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,639
take over and they have control of everything. Mainly it's

856
00:49:56,679 --> 00:49:59,519
the Heriage group and all these foundations have money who

857
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:02,920
have taken and over society. That is the groups who

858
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,679
are running the place. They're itelling Trump and everybody. They're

859
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:08,480
with the tea. But you're right, Jesus is not the

860
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:11,440
cause of it. It's just that the people inside the

861
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:12,599
our government.

862
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:16,119
Speaker 2: All right, day all I appreciate your call. Thank you very.

863
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 6: Much, thank you, thank you for your Yeah.

864
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Speaker 2: See, the Heritage Foundation is a conservative Christian foundation. They

865
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,760
are essentially a political action group that has been working

866
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,719
on the order of decades for the Christian nationalist takeover

867
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,119
of the United States. And they've been working with some

868
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:39,159
big power players. These are not the Jews. Elon Musk,

869
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:43,000
the world's richest man, the guy who was given access

870
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:46,000
to all of our private information, taking in all of

871
00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:50,199
these previously anonymous hackers to harvest who knows what kind

872
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,880
of data, and I'm sure he's going to unleash the

873
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,800
AI on that he's not Jewish. There may be a

874
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,920
gap in your understanding when it comes to some of

875
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:05,199
the conspiracy theories that involve Jewish people. Even Marjorie Taylor

876
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,039
Green when she was talking about how there was a

877
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:12,519
cabal of well funded Jews who were flying a satellite

878
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:15,880
over the state of California and using a laser to

879
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,960
set wildfires so that people in this country, the woke libs,

880
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,119
would be able to jam through climate legislation. All of

881
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:28,119
this it feeds into a very tangible bigotry that we

882
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:32,280
have to be extremely aware of and resistant too. And

883
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:36,599
you know, the QAnon folks have a lots of conspiracy

884
00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:39,639
theories and even hatred when it comes to Jewish people

885
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,559
because many of them believe it's part of an end

886
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:46,519
times narrative. The Zionists, then, are not just people who

887
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:50,199
want a Jewish state. They are people who are wanting

888
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:52,559
a Jewish state to be able to go out and

889
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:55,880
infect the rest of the world with some plan with

890
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,199
a capital P. This is wildly complicated, but I think

891
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:02,119
we have to approach it fairly, and I think we

892
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:05,880
have to approach Jewish people understanding that anti Semitism is

893
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:09,360
spiking it is spiking in this country, and it's spiking

894
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,320
all around the world, and some of these narratives play

895
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,599
into that, and we have to be protectors of people

896
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:21,119
who are of the Jewish persuasion or culture or religious faith.

897
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,360
I'm not saying we agree with everything they do. We

898
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,519
don't necessarily agree with the dogma. We don't agree with

899
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:30,719
the superstitious version of the religion, and we certainly don't

900
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,760
agree with everything that Israel says and does. I'm a huge, huge,

901
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,360
huge critic of net and Yahoo. I think he's a

902
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,280
mass murderer. If he was out tomorrow, if he was

903
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,400
in prison, I would be doing a party. I would

904
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,480
host an event, we would have a soiree because I

905
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:49,719
think he's just among the worst. But as far as Israel,

906
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:53,400
Israeli's Jews and their right to have a nation, I

907
00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:57,639
fall on that side. It's not a biblical opinion. It's

908
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,800
really more of a political, ga graphical, cultural opinion. I'm

909
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,079
a big fan of the two state solution in the

910
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:06,159
Middle East. The problem is, I don't think that is

911
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:10,039
ever going to happen. Can we all just get along?

912
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:12,880
Isn't there room on this planet for all of us?

913
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,440
And how much better off would we be if we

914
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:18,679
did away with all the religious backstory. You look at

915
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,000
Mike Huckabee, who is our ambassador for Israel, and you

916
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:24,480
think about all the bullshit that he's been vomiting out

917
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:27,599
that's Bible based. Why in the world are we having

918
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:31,400
foreign policy attitudes and decisions made by a guy who

919
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,280
believes in the Talking Animals book. Why in the world

920
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:41,000
are we having global policy dictated by Bible Christians. That's terrifying.

921
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:46,599
It's terrifying. My parents were pro Israel. They had the

922
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,159
sticker on their car Israel. We support Israel, which to

923
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,880
me is so reductive. You support Israel and what right?

924
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,679
That's the first part of a conversation. Can Israel then

925
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,480
do whatever it wants to do? Can it bomb whoever

926
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:03,159
it wants? Can it declare war? Can it go out

927
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:05,880
and do this or that awful thing? And we just

928
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,599
support Israel blindly and blankly. Well, that's totally irresponsible. So

929
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:17,039
I support Israel. I find it potentially destructive. Maybe that

930
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:20,039
gets us back to authority. As the Bible talks about

931
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:25,159
the chosen people. Therefore, anything the chosen people and a

932
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:30,000
chosen representative does is somehow off the hook not available

933
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,760
for scrutiny. I don't know. It's massively complicated. Massively complicated.

934
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,760
That's another issue, because we don't want it complicated. We

935
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,920
want it to fit on a meme. Okay, I guess

936
00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:44,519
I will finish here with a rundown of some of

937
00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:46,880
the major events. I just added a few new ones

938
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,760
to the calendar for twenty twenty six. What the hell

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it's going on with Canada? How many events? I got

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three events coming up just in Canada or I don't know.

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I don't think people are afraining to have a free

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thought event here. I know that American Atheists has postponed

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their next convention till twenty twenty seven for logistical reasons.

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It's not because you know, they were afraid that ice

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or somebody was going to crash through the door. That's

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you know they're but they're doing their event coming up

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next year, first weekend of May, Calgary, the Western Canadian

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Reason Conference. We Can Reason going to be a great time.

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I will be there for that in Ottawa, Ontario, August

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seventh through the ninth, the World Humanist Conference. People are

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going to be traveling in from all over the world,

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all across the planet, to be a part of that.

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Baha Con Canada going to be at Sarnia, Ontario, third

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weekend of August. Oh, lookie, there's an event in Wisconsin, Milwaukee,

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the Freedom From Religion Foundation National Convention October sixteenth weekend.

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And then Huntsville, Alabama, third weekend in October. That's going

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to be at the US Space and Rocket Center Marriott

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And apparently after we speak and hang out and do

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our thing as heathens, then we're going to go and

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tour the US Space and Rocket Center And I cannot

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wait for that. Details on all these and I'll add

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others as they come in at the Thinkingatheist dot com

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slash events, and with that, I will bid you a

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fund farewell until the next show next week. Be safe,

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be goods, and we'll hang out. Then.

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