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Speaker 4: We know that from the printing press of the film.
Speaker 4: Real mediums of mass communication have always been weaponized and
Speaker 4: used as the main vehicles for propaganda and culture creation. And,
Speaker 4: along with the school system dead set on churning out
Speaker 4: obedient servants to the management, last movies and media act
Speaker 4: is the pacifiers that make many people just content enough
Speaker 4: with their life of servitude. Well, today's returning guest, Jay Dyer,
Speaker 4: has been picking apart the Titans of Tinseltown for many
Speaker 4: years on his website Jay's Analysis, where he methodically breaks
Speaker 4: down dozens of films to expose the hidden agendas and
Speaker 4: symbolism they contain. He also writes extensively on philosophy, geopolitics, history, conspiracy,
Speaker 4: esoterica and more, and we got him here hot on
Speaker 4: the heels of his great new book Esoteric Hollywood, Sex,
Speaker 4: Cults and Symbols and Film. It's a real treat to
Speaker 4: have him here once again, Jay Moman, welcome back to
Speaker 4: the Higher Side.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Greg. Always a pleasure. I'm glad to be back.
Speaker 6: We had a really good time last time talking about
Speaker 6: science fiction and propaganda, and I'm sure this.
Speaker 3: Will be equally as exciting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I really loved that last episode.
Speaker 4: I think we also focused a lot on Ian Fleming
Speaker 4: and the Bond films. Interstellar was pretty fresh at that
Speaker 4: time too, exactly.
Speaker 5: And I also really enjoyed this new book of yours.
Speaker 4: And maybe a good place to start with that is
Speaker 4: that one of the first sections is called film as Ritual,
Speaker 4: which is provocative. But how closely related do you think
Speaker 4: film and ritual really are? How are they similar?
Speaker 6: Well, the idea of ritual could be many things, right,
Speaker 6: I mean, we generally think of it as a kind
Speaker 6: of religious ceremony that has some connection to deities or
Speaker 6: the divine or the celestial, And in modern parlance, I
Speaker 6: guess we've kind of disconnected the idea of theater and
Speaker 6: plays and acting from that milieu. But that's actually where
Speaker 6: it comes from. You know, if you go back to
Speaker 6: ancient Greece, the idea of Sophocles, of antigony of the
Speaker 6: theater was bound up with the idea of the gods
Speaker 6: and the stories of the gods. And you know, it's
Speaker 6: the same with Homer, Odysseus.
Speaker 3: The Iliad, all of that.
Speaker 6: And so what I tried to do was kind of
Speaker 6: go back to that ancient perspective and get a window
Speaker 6: into that. And I did a lecture I think about
Speaker 6: a year ago or maybe two years ago on Plato's Ion,
Speaker 6: which is a dialogue that not many people are aware of.
Speaker 3: Io In is the name of the dialogue.
Speaker 6: And it's a conversation that Socrates has with some poets
Speaker 6: and musicians and they're saying, hey, Socrates.
Speaker 3: Like, you don't know what truth is, man.
Speaker 6: You think it's all this philosophizing and analytical stuff and
Speaker 6: it's inspiration, that's the true truth. And Socrates says, no,
Speaker 6: you guys are actually just kind of Dionysian madmen. He says,
Speaker 6: you're He says, you're inspired by these spirits and conceivably,
Speaker 6: you know, there is evidence to suggested in ancient Greece
Speaker 6: they actually were perhaps taking callucinogens and narcotics and things
Speaker 6: like this. So it's entirely possible that the in the
Speaker 6: arts and musicians and so forth poets were under the
Speaker 6: influence of drugs and so forth. So in that regard,
Speaker 6: Plato and Socrates basically say that it's alternate spirits, alternate gods,
Speaker 6: alternate other personalities or entities quote unquote that are kind
Speaker 6: of inspiring this performance or this play or whatever. And
Speaker 6: when we fast forward to probably the most popular modern
Speaker 6: school or technique of serious acting that you know, most
Speaker 6: of the A listers are into, you get to the
Speaker 6: Stanislovsky method, which is the method acting of Constantine Stanislavski,
Speaker 6: who's like a Russian dude from about one hundred years ago,
Speaker 6: and his whole idea was that you could, through his craft,
Speaker 6: through his methodology, invoke and sort of take on these
Speaker 6: other personalities. So that's the perspective that I'm kind of
Speaker 6: coming from and looking at. And what's interesting is that
Speaker 6: you know, whether you believe that there are actual alternate
Speaker 6: personalities or spirits or things that people take on or invoke,
Speaker 6: or entities that might invade someone's psyche or conscious mind
Speaker 6: or something like that. Whether you believe in that or not,
Speaker 6: people do believe in that, and so they will operate
Speaker 6: on that belief system, and perhaps under the influence of
Speaker 6: drugs or rituals or ceremonies or magic or whatever that
Speaker 6: they're into, they may actually sort of go into this
Speaker 6: sort of furor this kind of berserk sort of state,
Speaker 6: which is what Plato was talking about.
Speaker 3: So that's what I start with.
Speaker 6: That's why I start as film as ritual, because acting
Speaker 6: in the ancient world was ritual.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I love it that idea that theater and
Speaker 4: the practice of acting out those mythological stories is like
Speaker 4: an attempt to draw down the power of those entities. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it's deep stuff, and it's like pretty out there
Speaker 4: I think for a lot of people. But I mean
Speaker 4: it makes sense. And do you think that there is
Speaker 4: a bit of that drawing down of the spirits going
Speaker 4: on in modern filmmaking as well?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: Many of the A listers are openly into method acting.
Speaker 6: So again, I'm not saying that I can prove that
Speaker 6: they actually do it, or that they're possessed or anything
Speaker 6: like that, But what I'm saying is that they believe
Speaker 6: and act upon the philosophy of Constantine Stanislowski, which was
Speaker 6: occulting in nature, and so he really thought that you
Speaker 6: could have an alternate persona step in and take over
Speaker 6: your persona.
Speaker 3: So that's the goal.
Speaker 6: Now, whether they actually do that as I'm sure debatable,
Speaker 6: but I mean, how many times have we seen people,
Speaker 6: for example, if they have a bad trip, right, and
Speaker 6: the story is that, you know an Apocalypse Now, who
Speaker 6: is a Martin Sheen right? I mean he's supposed to
Speaker 6: be really tripping when he goes crazy in that scene,
Speaker 6: famous scene in Apocalypse Now, So again this is method acting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: I mean we've talked on the show about the idea
Speaker 4: of alternate personalities. I mean, this happens a lot in
Speaker 4: Hollywood and music. I mean, so many actors don't even
Speaker 4: use their real name, which is kind of strange. I
Speaker 4: mean there's no other field like that. And then even
Speaker 4: within that, you'll have a lot of musicians in particular
Speaker 4: who have alternate personalities, which seems like a weird thing
Speaker 4: to do when you're trying to build a specific brand
Speaker 4: and you've done all this work to build up Beyonce
Speaker 4: and now you're Sasha Fierce or you've built up Garth
Speaker 4: Brooks and now you're whatever his alternate persona.
Speaker 5: Was that he used.
Speaker 4: Very weird that they do that at all, And it
Speaker 4: kind of connects to this idea of being more of
Speaker 4: a vessel for various personalities or taking on various personas.
Speaker 5: So I think you're onto something.
Speaker 6: Well, a lot of people think that that's not real,
Speaker 6: and I will fully admit that in the case of
Speaker 6: oh pop stars and things like that, that it's entirely
Speaker 6: possible that a lot of it's just marketing. Right, So
Speaker 6: maybe when there's going to be a new Beyonce album
Speaker 6: or you know, David Bowie or whoever, they're going to
Speaker 6: take on a new marketing persona of Zegge, Star Dust
Speaker 6: or Sasha Fears or whatever. So it's entirely possible that
Speaker 6: that is marketing. But I also have read a lot
Speaker 6: of books from psychiatrists and sociologists and psychologists. For example,
Speaker 6: there's a one that's pretty popular called Switching Time, and
Speaker 6: this is leave a psychiatrists several years counseling a woman
Speaker 6: with multiple personalities. Now, that could be fake. I've heard
Speaker 6: some good argumentation suggesting that the classic story Sybil was fake,
Speaker 6: but then again the source calling it fake was NPR,
Speaker 6: so well, MPR is not the most reliable source. So
Speaker 6: the idea of splits and altered and all this is
Speaker 6: very I guess, controversial and debated. And when you look
Speaker 6: at the reason why a lot of people dismiss it,
Speaker 6: the basis is if it's things like, oh, it's not
Speaker 6: possible because it doesn't fit with the idea of materialistic
Speaker 6: reductionistic Darwinism or something like this, like you know, the
Speaker 6: brain is just matter, and since we're not seeing anything
Speaker 6: actually splitting under the microscope or something like this, then
Speaker 6: it's not possible. Well, that just is assuming that the
Speaker 6: mind of the psyche or the soul is in itself material,
Speaker 6: which is an unproven assumption, again based on a person's
Speaker 6: belief in materialism. However, if the soul and the psyche exist,
Speaker 6: then that opens up all kinds of uh and it's
Speaker 6: not strictly material quote unquote, then that opens up, you know,
Speaker 6: all kinds of possibilities for what may actually be going on.
Speaker 6: And I tend to believe that we don't fully know
Speaker 6: and understand the things of the soul and the psych
Speaker 6: I mean, the Bible even says this in Paul's letters.
Speaker 6: Paul says, you know, man doesn't even comprehend his own spirit,
Speaker 6: so how is he going to make these sort of definitive,
Speaker 6: so cult scientistic claims about what's possible in the realm
Speaker 6: of the psyche? So anyway, yeah, I would say that.
Speaker 6: And I remember, like, even in college, the first time
Speaker 6: I encountered this idea. One of my first college classes
Speaker 6: was a psychology class, and we watched some videos on
Speaker 6: people with multiple personality disorder or d ID, and I
Speaker 6: think it's.
Speaker 3: To all appearances, it appears to be real.
Speaker 6: I don't see how all of these people could be
Speaker 6: all faking this, So I tend to think it's real.
Speaker 6: Now how developed that is in terms of can they
Speaker 6: literally call forth all these.
Speaker 3: Different persons through trigger words and keywords?
Speaker 6: You know, this is actually the plot of this new
Speaker 6: Shamelain movie, which I thought was.
Speaker 3: Actually really good. Yeah Split Split and Yeah. I went
Speaker 3: and saw that. I thought it was great. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I tend to think that. I mean, obviously that's a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 6: Hollywooded up, but if you read a book like Switching Time,
Speaker 6: you know, it seems to line up pretty clear.
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 6: And I would say that that would be my suspicion
Speaker 6: as to what really goes on.
Speaker 3: But do I know if Britney has multiple personalities?
Speaker 6: She acts pretty loony sometimes and as she looks like
Speaker 6: there's these different personas. So I wouldn't be surprised in
Speaker 6: her case because I have seen some interviews where she
Speaker 6: does seem to act very goofy and change her.
Speaker 3: Personality totally right.
Speaker 6: I've seen people have freak outs on drugs where it's
Speaker 6: not just then freaking out, like it appears to me
Speaker 6: that somebody else was running that machine. The ghost in
Speaker 6: the machine was switched out, there was some other ghosts
Speaker 6: in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I definitely think there's something to this
Speaker 4: for sure. Again, I agree with you like it's about
Speaker 4: determining to what degree, but yeah, there's something to it
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 5: And I'm curious do you see.
Speaker 4: Film being good vehicles for occult aims outside of invocation?
Speaker 4: Are there other things in that occult esoteric toolbox that
Speaker 4: are being manifested through film?
Speaker 3: Are there good aspects? Sure? Sure?
Speaker 6: I don't think you know all the films are nefarious
Speaker 6: or propaganda. You know, several chapters in my book are
Speaker 6: kind of lighthearted and goofy and satirical, so that they're
Speaker 6: not really to be taken, you know, too seriously. I
Speaker 6: think the Logan's Run and the Zardag chapters are pretty
Speaker 6: I mean, there's some deep dark stuff in those films,
Speaker 6: but for the most part, they're just kind of fun
Speaker 6: and satirical sci fi versions of like Plato's Allegory the Cave.
Speaker 6: And I don't think those are necessarily, you know, nefarious
Speaker 6: fair points.
Speaker 4: But to clarify, and i'd i'd say good vehicles, but
Speaker 4: I don't mean good in a moral sense. But I'm
Speaker 4: more curious if you see films acting as useful mechanisms
Speaker 4: for other occult aims besides the invocation aspects we talked
Speaker 4: about other things in the Magical Toolbox. For example, I
Speaker 4: sometimes hear people suggest that a major aim of mass
Speaker 4: media and Hollywood is to replace our imagination or to
Speaker 4: have us outsource our ability to visualize, because they know
Speaker 4: how important the connection between consciousness and matter is and
Speaker 4: that we can influence our reality. But not if they
Speaker 4: bombard us with all this filler from a young age.
Speaker 4: So I guess I'm really asking if you see other
Speaker 4: occult related purposes for the Hollywood machine other than the
Speaker 4: entity energy draw down aspect that you would laid out already.
Speaker 3: Okay, I see what you're saying. I have seen.
Speaker 6: My buddy John brought this to my attention. John Adams
Speaker 6: over at Hoostbusters. He said, if you look at the book,
Speaker 6: I forget the title of it off the top of
Speaker 6: my head, but I did look it up. Gregory Bateson,
Speaker 6: who is one of the sort of MK ultra guys
Speaker 6: in the background, he wrote a book where he did
Speaker 6: actually talk about capturing man's imagination, and he saw that
Speaker 6: the need to control creativity and imagination was very important
Speaker 6: for social engineering because in my view, this is really
Speaker 6: the function of Disney, right. It's like it is all
Speaker 6: about quote imagination, and what they've done with Disney is
Speaker 6: totally weaponized it to capture your children's imagination and really
Speaker 6: turn it into a lot of dark social engineering things
Speaker 6: like you know, they want to take your kid and
Speaker 6: take her from being Hannah Montana and turn her into
Speaker 6: gender fluid, disgusting slutty Miley Cyrus. So that's the real
Speaker 6: goal of capturing imagination.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, yeah, man, Disney is quite a force, and
Speaker 4: I really do enjoy people break down Disney films. Sometimes
Speaker 4: it goes too far, I will admit. And I actually
Speaker 4: checked out some of the songs on YouTube from that
Speaker 4: new one Mona and I guess the Rock plays a
Speaker 4: demigod character. I assume from Hawaiian mythology. I think that's
Speaker 4: what it's all about. And there is a line in
Speaker 4: one of his songs where he describes making the world
Speaker 4: and at one point he says, I killed an eel,
Speaker 4: buried its guts sprout of a tree. Now you have coconuts.
Speaker 4: And I just thought, huh, that's a fairly detailed ritual description,
Speaker 4: right there, a bit of an evolution from when you
Speaker 4: wish upon a pentagram. And I am being facetious, but
Speaker 4: I've heard some researchers make a really compelling case that,
Speaker 4: however small, there is a very purposeful occult thread through
Speaker 4: a lot of those films.
Speaker 6: It's an interesting point. I haven't followed much Disney stuff
Speaker 6: or kids stuff in general. I tend to focus on
Speaker 6: more well, at least in the first book you know
Speaker 6: that I did. It was mainly things that I grew
Speaker 6: up with, you know, Spielberg movies, Hitchcock movies, James Bond Kubrick,
Speaker 6: things that I watched growing up in high school and
Speaker 6: stuff like that. But I'm sure that, yeah, you could
Speaker 6: definitely go a whole other rabbit hole, you know, into
Speaker 6: kids films and all.
Speaker 3: The programming and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: And but again, I think that the main tool of
Speaker 6: what they do with the kids films is promote mindless
Speaker 6: sort of rebellion, promote wells. As you mentioned, they're sort
Speaker 6: of the capturing of the imagination and turning it to
Speaker 6: really just the service of the system. I mean, you know, Disney,
Speaker 6: for example, was for a long time involved in promoting
Speaker 6: government propaganda and military recruitment.
Speaker 3: That was a big part of what Disney himself stood for.
Speaker 6: He had access to and worked at the Laurel Canyon Studios,
Speaker 6: you know, where they did all these secret Air Force
Speaker 6: films and so forth that I discussed in the book
Speaker 6: that comes from Dave McGowan's work. So, yeah, that is
Speaker 6: a good question. I mean, only the kids aspect of
Speaker 6: something that could be explored more. But I mean I've
Speaker 6: seen all kinds of dastardly stuff from Nickelodeon and MTV,
Speaker 6: and you know that I think is genuinely intended to
Speaker 6: have negative effects on your children.
Speaker 3: I mean, the whole goal of all of it is
Speaker 3: a depopulation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it could be a stretch, but I've
Speaker 4: even heard people talking about the sliming of kids on
Speaker 4: Nickelodeon being you know, symbolic of semen.
Speaker 5: I mean, that might.
Speaker 4: Be a stretch, but I'm like, that is kind of
Speaker 4: kind of creepy too when you think about it in
Speaker 4: that context.
Speaker 5: But let's get into Spielberg a little bit.
Speaker 4: You write about them a decent amount in esoteric Hollywood,
Speaker 4: breaking down several of his movies, and if there were
Speaker 4: a larger, semi organized machine behind Hollywood, Spielberg would have
Speaker 4: to be involved. So when you look at the totality
Speaker 4: of his films, do you see an over arching aim
Speaker 4: or agenda that becomes more clear?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you could boil down like probably three
Speaker 6: major themes that Spielberg deals with. He deals with holocaust,
Speaker 6: he deals with familial relations, and he deals with aliens.
Speaker 6: That's the three things that he's focused on. So what
Speaker 6: I folks, well, alien slash transhumanism and so forth. So
Speaker 6: what I focused on in my book was the alien
Speaker 6: and transhuman myths and stories that he's focused on and
Speaker 6: so he interestingly does have a penchant for Philip K. Dick,
Speaker 6: who I think is very fascinating as a writer and
Speaker 6: a character. Because you know, Spielberg did Minority Report, so
Speaker 6: there's a chapter on Minority Report that I do that
Speaker 6: focuses on dystopia and how tech can lead to dystopia.
Speaker 6: So not everything in Spielberg is bad. I don't think
Speaker 6: he's totally nefarious or anything like that. And I don't
Speaker 6: actually go after anybody personally or any of the directors.
Speaker 6: I just kind of try to decode the films and
Speaker 6: see what patterns and meanings I can find in the symbolism.
Speaker 3: What is Spielberg all about?
Speaker 6: Was I said, aliens and transhumanism, And I think those
Speaker 6: two things are linked. For one, because I personally am
Speaker 6: not convinced that there's like extra biological entities. But I
Speaker 6: think that if you watch movies like ET and then
Speaker 6: you watch something like his version of or the Worlds,
Speaker 6: the cold calculated scientistic approach that the so called aliens
Speaker 6: have sure does seem to match up to the cold
Speaker 6: calculated scientistic approach of the deep state and the military
Speaker 6: industrial complex and the international corporations. Yeah, they have that
Speaker 6: because like, so at the end of Closed Encounters, what's
Speaker 6: it all about. Well, they're stealing, abducting kids and family members,
Speaker 6: and you get the impression at the very very end
Speaker 6: that they're doing some kind of genetic modification on these
Speaker 6: people and then they're like giving them back to you
Speaker 6: like twenty years later or something, and they haven't aged.
Speaker 6: So the idea is, oh, the alien no overlords are
Speaker 6: working on genetic modification, hybridization, GMOs, halting, the aging process,
Speaker 6: you know, all these kinds of things that we in
Speaker 6: the conspiracy world really believe the oligarchs are working on
Speaker 6: and are into. So I think that's the real meaning
Speaker 6: of something like Close Encounters, which actually kicked off the
Speaker 6: modern alien Hollywood blockbuster phenomena. I can't really think. I mean,
Speaker 6: there was there probably were alien movies, no doubt, many
Speaker 6: of them prior to Close Encounters, but making aliens into
Speaker 6: a giant blockbusters, you know, it begins, I would say
Speaker 6: with if you don't count two thousand and one, which
Speaker 6: I tend to believe two thousand and ones about AI
Speaker 6: not so called aliens but extra terrestrial beings, you get,
Speaker 6: you know, you get Close Encounters, which is based on
Speaker 6: Jail and Heinek and Jacqueville, Right, this is both of
Speaker 6: their works. We're kind of the basis for what was
Speaker 6: going on in Close Encounters. And actually I believe Heinek.
Speaker 6: I found sources saying that Jalen Heineck was actually consulting
Speaker 6: with Spielberg on the set. So yeah, so I think
Speaker 6: that you're talking about people from the deep state who
Speaker 6: know about what the UFO and on really is sort
Speaker 6: of consulting with Bilberg. Spielberg's putting out his version of it.
Speaker 6: And you know, then when you look at Et, I
Speaker 6: think Et is actually about this idea of the Et.
Speaker 3: Is more like a familiar spirit than he is like
Speaker 3: an alien. That's why he has this.
Speaker 6: Very strange bonded connection with Elliott. And you know when
Speaker 6: Et gets drunk and burbs, Elliot's drunk and belching. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 6: this is very very weird stuff going on there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, man, and this is exactly what I wanted
Speaker 4: to get into because I love that ET analysis and
Speaker 4: it's it's so interesting you talk about in the film
Speaker 4: Meet You mentioned the shadow government researcher in the movie
Speaker 4: is named Keys, and that it's a reference to the
Speaker 4: Key of Solomon. And let's get into this bit. What
Speaker 4: is the significance there is that message part of the
Speaker 4: uh subtly saying that Et is a familiar spirit or
Speaker 4: a demon rather than a space alien.
Speaker 6: I would say so because you look at what his
Speaker 6: so called powers are, and they again, they match up
Speaker 6: much closer to something like a familiar spirit supposedly than
Speaker 6: it does any sort of quote alien. It's almost as
Speaker 6: if Elliott invokes Et to come and they have this.
Speaker 6: It's almost like Et is his higher self or his
Speaker 6: you know, sort of holy guardian angel or something. And
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of bizarre, sort of Crollian
Speaker 6: dish imagery in the film too, with you know, the
Speaker 6: moon child and Elliott flying across the moon as a child,
Speaker 6: this stuff.
Speaker 3: I think that's suggestive. It's not definitive, but it's suggestive.
Speaker 6: And so the Peter Coyote character, that's the guy who's
Speaker 6: playing keys. He shows up at the beginning and then
Speaker 6: he pops up later at the end, and he's actually
Speaker 6: this sort of mysterious almost angelic government figure. He's turns
Speaker 6: out to be a good guy because he's opening up
Speaker 6: all of these scenarios at least That's how I read it,
Speaker 6: And actually I think Roger Ebert says something similar to
Speaker 6: that in his book The Great Movies when he looks
Speaker 6: at ET. So anyway, it's a it's a different take
Speaker 6: on ET definitely that I have.
Speaker 3: But the actual guy, Peter.
Speaker 6: Coyote, interestingly, was a hardcore Marxist and he was a
Speaker 6: big time sort of activist quote unquote and in terms
Speaker 6: of Marxism and cultural revolution.
Speaker 3: So you know, I think that's potentially suggest I'm.
Speaker 6: Not saying he is an occultist or anything like that,
Speaker 6: for sure, but it's just interesting that, you know, you
Speaker 6: don't see this guy in a lot of movies, and
Speaker 6: Spielbert chooses him for this role. I don't know why,
Speaker 6: but ultimately I think what ET is was the propagation
Speaker 6: of a rebranding of the alien mythology for a generation
Speaker 6: of youth. Right, so I was Elliott's age when ET
Speaker 6: came out, so that was targeted at people my generation,
Speaker 6: and I think the goal of that was a rebranding
Speaker 6: of quote, aliens, not to be something nefarious or dangerous
Speaker 6: and some otherworldly threat, but something that we should embrace.
Speaker 6: And when you get to my Prometheus chapter, what I
Speaker 6: argue is that the reason that we're being warmed up
Speaker 6: to quote aliens for so long, and why Hollywood just
Speaker 6: constantly turns out alien movies like NonStop, is not just
Speaker 6: for blockbuster ticket sales. It's actually, I think, to sort
Speaker 6: of warm us up for the acceptance of a new
Speaker 6: global religion that melds better with Darwinism. And I think that,
Speaker 6: as I argue in the HD Wells Spielberg chapter in
Speaker 6: the book, I believe that we've been prepped for this
Speaker 6: for a long time, going all the way back to
Speaker 6: the science fiction and predictive programming of H. G.
Speaker 3: Wells. And that's why Spielberg chooses things like war the.
Speaker 4: World's Fascinating Man. And I love that Et example. I
Speaker 4: remember when I was a kid. You even note the
Speaker 4: fact that Et glows as maybe an element of him
Speaker 4: being more of a familiar. And I remember when I
Speaker 4: was young, I was like, why does this thing glow?
Speaker 5: It just doesn't look right.
Speaker 4: Thought it was awkward, But it makes the point that
Speaker 4: maybe it isn't. Maybe it's a spiritual entity rather than
Speaker 4: something from space.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think that the planetary connections that we
Speaker 6: see in the film also suggest planetary deities, right, and
Speaker 6: this is kind of how the Key of Solomon and
Speaker 6: our ancient mythology would have viewed et and the gods
Speaker 6: quote unquote.
Speaker 4: I also like the thing that you point out that
Speaker 4: the government agents arrive in NASA's space suits in the movie,
Speaker 4: and that is so weird. Why would you be in
Speaker 4: a space suit anywhere but space? But it is, it's
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've always thought that was odd. And so how
Speaker 6: do we read this, how do we make sense of this? Well,
Speaker 6: once we have a broader perspective of things like Kubrick
Speaker 6: and we realized that Kubrick was working with NASA, which
Speaker 6: I touch on in the book, and you know, if
Speaker 6: we've seen the work from say Jay Wiedener on Kubrick
Speaker 6: and the moon landings and that theory, I think that
Speaker 6: especially given the fact that Spielberg took over Kubrick's script ai,
Speaker 6: you know, and changed it to aliens and stuff like this,
Speaker 6: which I don't think Kubrick was had in the original story,
Speaker 6: there's some nods and crossovers between Spielberg to Kubrick, and
Speaker 6: I've always just wondered if that wasn't some kind of
Speaker 6: nod or or hint that the moon landings and Apollo
Speaker 6: and all this kind of stuff is not what we
Speaker 6: are told.
Speaker 3: When we look at other nods.
Speaker 6: And instances in films that I touch on in the book,
Speaker 6: like Diamonds Are Forever. Well, there's a scene where, you know,
Speaker 6: James Bond runs onto a movie set where they're filming
Speaker 6: the Moonlighting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, man. And you also even note
Speaker 4: the similarities and titles between ET and that Kubrick Spielberg
Speaker 4: collaboration of AI, and you say that it could be
Speaker 4: a mystigogical code for the origins of advanced artificial technology
Speaker 4: as channeled from inter dimensional alien gods. Great sentence, and
Speaker 4: I love that idea. I've been hearing it more and
Speaker 4: more that technology comes from connections to entities like Prometheus
Speaker 4: bringing as fire. Is that your impression of where a
Speaker 4: lot of technology comes from some type of occult workings.
Speaker 6: I do think that that's possible, and that's I believe that,
Speaker 6: not just because of you know, some kind of weird
Speaker 6: thesis or something I dreamed up, but actually, when you
Speaker 6: go into the history of philosophers or sort of pioneers
Speaker 6: of modern technology, you can look at characters like Descartes.
Speaker 6: You can look at somebody like John d was of
Speaker 6: course interested in alchemy and things like that too, BUTNZ GW. Leibniz,
Speaker 6: the famous continental philosopher who's the co founder of calculus
Speaker 6: with Newton. Leibniz was very interested in alchemy and the
Speaker 6: esoteric and metaphysics and things like this, and Platonism, and
Speaker 6: he is one of the formative figures kind of dreaming
Speaker 6: up the possibility of a computer or a logic machine.
Speaker 6: So there's always been in you know, Jewish mysticism, the
Speaker 6: idea of the golumn, which is the creation of a
Speaker 6: robot being or a synthetic human.
Speaker 7: And so.
Speaker 6: I think we have nascent in the mythology a lot
Speaker 6: of the hints and primeval. I mean, you could almost
Speaker 6: argue that's kind of predictive programming, like ancient mythology, right,
Speaker 6: is almost a kind of primeval predictive programming for what
Speaker 6: is possible with technology and alchemy. So I know that's
Speaker 6: kind of that might be debatable, and people might howl
Speaker 6: at that and think that I'm crazy, But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 6: maybe it was just his own clever insight. But how
Speaker 6: was Leibniz streaming up the possibility of a computer you know,
Speaker 6: back in the fifteen hundreds, how did you know Da
Speaker 6: Vinci was like sketching out helicopters and stuff.
Speaker 4: I mean, right, where do our ideas come from? We
Speaker 4: don't really know.
Speaker 3: We don't know. That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 6: And that's what I was getting at earlier about you know,
Speaker 6: the psyche and splitting of the psyche and all that,
Speaker 6: is that I hold that out as a very likely thesis,
Speaker 6: much more likely than the Darwinian reductionist thesis, because you know,
Speaker 6: we don't even know what the source of our stream
Speaker 6: of consciousness thought processes. So how are we going to
Speaker 6: make these sort of definitive claims about, Oh, it's absolutely
Speaker 6: impossible that there's a spiritual unalm or you know, that
Speaker 6: we could receive the impressions of ideas or creativity from
Speaker 6: those kinds of sources.
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, the idea of the muse goes back
Speaker 4: as far as artists.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's interesting, man. And to talk about AI a
Speaker 4: little bit more. It came out in two thousand and one,
Speaker 4: probably for specific reasons, but do you see its messages
Speaker 4: and themes becoming any more poignant in the decade plus
Speaker 4: since the film was made.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's kind of why I chose that one just
Speaker 6: to be in the books, and there was.
Speaker 3: Probably ninety two one hundred film analysis.
Speaker 6: I had to leave out that maybe they'll make up
Speaker 6: you know, part two or three or something, But that
Speaker 6: one I.
Speaker 3: Chose because it fit with the theme.
Speaker 6: That I was looking at from Spielberg, you know, transhumanism
Speaker 6: and synthetic future and all this kind of stuff, synthetic
Speaker 6: dystopia basically, And so I argue that AI is a
Speaker 6: kind of transhumanist fairy tale, that what he's done is
Speaker 6: taking the Pinocchio myth and reformulated it for modernity.
Speaker 3: And again this was taken from Kuberg.
Speaker 6: This was actually a Kuberg screenplay that Spielberg took over
Speaker 6: an altered and of course added in aliens. Anything with
Speaker 6: Spielberg's gonna have aliens in there. But it functions, I believe,
Speaker 6: on multiple levels. So it's not just about the possibilities
Speaker 6: of AI. It's also in a nefarious sense. If you
Speaker 6: notice the David character, the AI character, he's always he's
Speaker 6: portrayed as this sort of Edenic innocent I mean, he
Speaker 6: is the future of quote humanity, but he's humanity two
Speaker 6: point zero. We make him in our image right as
Speaker 6: kind of new gods or new creators. And I'm sure
Speaker 6: everybody's seen the film, so you're aware of the fact
Speaker 6: that humanity dies out right. And the film begins with
Speaker 6: this sort of eugenics Green Agenda twenty one type message
Speaker 6: of the earth has been flooded from global polarizes, caps
Speaker 6: melting or something nonsense like this, and you know, there's
Speaker 6: only these these kind of sparse human communities, and the
Speaker 6: bots are persecuted, and so Spielberg has the bots put
Speaker 6: into a lot of these Holocaust type scenarios and narratives
Speaker 6: where they're being trucked off in carts and you know,
Speaker 6: they're taken to the flesh fare, which is this Dante's
Speaker 6: Inferno style torture scenario. And so what I'm getting at
Speaker 6: here is that they're treated as the new.
Speaker 3: Civil rights victims.
Speaker 6: Now, twenty thirty years ago, nobody would have believed possible.
Speaker 6: Everybody would have laughed if you had said, we are
Speaker 6: entering the phase in the near future where bots and
Speaker 6: cyborgs and transhumanism and people who get you know, body
Speaker 6: mod and all this kind of stuff that's actually going
Speaker 6: to be a new civil rights slash human rights or
Speaker 6: cyborg right. Right, that is now being discussed. Right, this
Speaker 6: is where we're going. That is going to be what
Speaker 6: we talk about in the next decade twenty years, there
Speaker 6: will be I'm not joking. This is the So we
Speaker 6: went from racial civil rights to gay rights, and then
Speaker 6: the next quote civil right is going to be related
Speaker 6: to transhumanism and maybe I'm forgetting it, like bcality or
Speaker 6: something like that's going to the bcality and pedophilia that
Speaker 6: will be discussed as a quote right, And make no
Speaker 6: mistake about it, You've heard it here on Higher Side chats.
Speaker 6: Transhumanism and cyborg modification will be the next right. And
Speaker 6: all of that I think is being predicted and projected
Speaker 6: and displayed in AI and also in you know Redley
Speaker 6: Scot's Blade Runner, which is another chapter in the book.
Speaker 4: And there's also quite a bit of Cabbalistic influence in
Speaker 4: AI too.
Speaker 6: Right, Absolutely, this whole idea of word magic, and this
Speaker 6: is something that I did touch on too. I forgot
Speaker 6: to mention themes in Spielberg. You mentioned themes well, Language
Speaker 6: and meaning and interpersonal communication is a huge aspect of Spielberg.
Speaker 6: That's why if you remember in close encounters. The aliens
Speaker 6: don't know how to communicate with us, so they have
Speaker 6: to eventually use sound, and you know, they decode the sound, dude,
Speaker 6: that becomes the form of language. But the Lacombe character,
Speaker 6: who's played by fran Squas Trufeau, the famous French director,
Speaker 6: is based on Jacques Belie, and he decodes this message.
Speaker 6: The way that he decodes is that he hears a
Speaker 6: bunch of Hindus singing the sort of chant. And if
Speaker 6: you study how Hindus view their chants, they actually view
Speaker 6: it as a ritual invocation. And so when you hit
Speaker 6: certain frequencies, they believe through sound your action harmonizing with
Speaker 6: the wavelength where those gods reside. So what's weird is
Speaker 6: that the chant that they're actually putting out is a
Speaker 6: ya a a ya, which is very close to the
Speaker 6: tetragrammaton or yahweh.
Speaker 3: Right. And of course Spielberg, being.
Speaker 6: Jewish and being aware and I would say obviously familiar
Speaker 6: with Cabbalism, I think that's where he's coming from.
Speaker 3: That's the vanished point he's coming from.
Speaker 6: And so that's where you get to the the arguments
Speaker 6: that I make about things like using a period I
Speaker 6: period and then using E period t period. Right, these
Speaker 6: are done on purpose because letters are symbols, and they
Speaker 6: also have a lot of different meanings in Gamatria, or
Speaker 6: they can stand for different things in different schools of Cabbalism.
Speaker 3: So where were we forgot? Where were we talking about
Speaker 3: calm in Ai? Oh oh in Ai?
Speaker 6: Well, so, so there's word magic in Ai when his mom,
Speaker 6: David's mom says these magic words that give him consciousness. Now,
Speaker 6: I think that there's a lot of different things you
Speaker 6: might could read from that.
Speaker 3: I would tend to stick it in the.
Speaker 6: Gobbalistic narrative of because this is the idea of the Gollum, right,
Speaker 6: and this is Jewish mysticism, the idea of that you
Speaker 6: could use different Hebrew sounds and words and symbols to
Speaker 6: in a way be a theorist or be a creator
Speaker 6: and cause life quote unquote to be right.
Speaker 4: She also touches buttons on his chakra points too, doesn't she.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's a great point. She touches the back of
Speaker 6: his neck. I think if I recall and then says
Speaker 6: the magic words, and he supposedly is quote conscious, So
Speaker 6: now I don't believe that that actually we Willever create
Speaker 6: a conscious being like that, I think that will always
Speaker 6: be synthetic. It will always be in some way a
Speaker 6: kind of program. Anything that you program, it's only going
Speaker 6: to do what is programmed to do my view. So,
Speaker 6: but I do think that you know, AI, transhumanism, all
Speaker 6: this stuff is developing to the extent that people will
Speaker 6: believe that it's conscious and that it's alive, and that
Speaker 6: that's how they will sell it as a new civil right,
Speaker 6: and then old humanity, old man will be declared obsolete,
Speaker 6: and you know, as they promote the new man the bought.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I think this is so interesting, especially this
Speaker 4: idea of sci fi movies like ET and Close Encounters
Speaker 4: and War of the Worlds, this idea that they have
Speaker 4: cemented a lot of our thoughts about space and aliens
Speaker 4: in culture, even more so than real science has. And
Speaker 4: maybe it is to get us to accept demons as
Speaker 4: cool via the alien skin. But I've also had some
Speaker 4: guests who are pretty far out there and in the
Speaker 4: flat earth territory, and they would say that Hollywood and
Speaker 4: NASA CGI is where we get our ideas of outer space,
Speaker 4: when really we're stuck in a snow globe and I
Speaker 4: don't think you're a flat earther. But if space is
Speaker 4: largely like it's depicted in films, are there other aspects
Speaker 4: that are being manipulated? Is it just the alien demon
Speaker 4: thing or do you think there's more to that sliver
Speaker 4: of the pie.
Speaker 6: I don't believe that we really know what is out there.
Speaker 6: I think that there's a lot of different theories. And
Speaker 6: just like with the psyche, you know, people try to
Speaker 6: have these definitive declarations and pronouncements about what exists and
Speaker 6: what's possible and what's not possible, and they really don't know.
Speaker 6: And I think that's a big part of the system,
Speaker 6: is giving the impression that they do know a kind
Speaker 6: of confidence game yeah when they don't. Now, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 6: a lot of things we do know in terms of science,
Speaker 6: but I believe that real science and real advancement in
Speaker 6: those regions those areas comes about in things like technology
Speaker 6: and engineering, computer science.
Speaker 3: All that stuffs real.
Speaker 6: NASA is a pr front under the aegis of the
Speaker 6: Air Force, So their number one job, that is the military,
Speaker 6: is lying.
Speaker 3: To the public. That's what psyops is.
Speaker 6: So you can't believe any of these declarations from NASA
Speaker 6: and just look at the fact that NASA, on the
Speaker 6: one hand promotes aliens and then turns around and tries
Speaker 6: to present itself as this totally scientific organization.
Speaker 3: But it's not. It's a pr front. It's sentimately tied
Speaker 3: with Hollywood. That's why.
Speaker 6: Really Scott was talking about how his movie Mars was
Speaker 6: released in tandem with NASA's supposed Mars discoveries. You know,
Speaker 6: when that last Matt Damon movie came out whenever, that
Speaker 6: was like a few months ago. James Cameron sits on
Speaker 6: the board of NASA directors. Why is this Hollywood director
Speaker 6: sitting I mean, I think that's all suggestive of deception.
Speaker 6: I don't believe in the flat Earth because of the
Speaker 6: fact that you you can fly from Santiago to Sydney
Speaker 6: in eight or ten hours or so something like that,
Speaker 6: which is impossible on that goofy fletter map.
Speaker 3: I don't think that.
Speaker 6: I mean, the entire military and GPS and logistics would
Speaker 6: all be off, everything would be working all fucked up
Speaker 6: if the Earth were flat. My dad was in the Navy,
Speaker 6: he sailed around the globe. So I think that's a
Speaker 6: whole bunch of syops and ridiculous deception. In my view,
Speaker 6: I'm fine with people questioning things. I would tend to
Speaker 6: think that there's a good case to be made for geocentrism.
Speaker 6: I think you could argue that one. But no, I
Speaker 6: don't believe that we live on a pizza crest.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just interesting because if Hollywood's big aim
Speaker 4: is to kind of control the way we think or
Speaker 4: to make us feel confident about what's beyond our atmosphere, yeah,
Speaker 4: I just wonder if it's different in any way than
Speaker 4: what's depicted in the movies. I mean, we might never know.
Speaker 6: Well, I do believe, I do believe that. I do
Speaker 6: believe it's different than what we're told in movies. But
Speaker 6: I think that Hollywood had its main goal or role
Speaker 6: in this regard in terms of promoting things like Darwinism.
Speaker 6: And you say, well, there's not that many movies that
Speaker 6: promote Darwinism. Actually all science fiction movies do, almost all
Speaker 6: of them across the board. Two thousand and one Space
Speaker 6: Odyssey is a gospel of Darwinism. So I'm very critical
Speaker 6: of that in the book. And I don't approach Darwinism
Speaker 6: as most people do just from like a list of
Speaker 6: arguments that they run online or something.
Speaker 3: I approach it as a philosopher.
Speaker 6: That was my you know, grad training was in analytical philosophy.
Speaker 6: So I philosophically critique Darwinism in the book, and I
Speaker 6: try to argue that, you know, when you look back
Speaker 6: to figures like H. G. Wells, who was this committed
Speaker 6: Masonic socialist, a Marxist, committed why is he the guy
Speaker 6: who's promoting you know, the new global revolution through science
Speaker 6: through evolution. I mean these people are committed liars, Yeah, openly.
Speaker 6: So I think that's suggestive. I mean nobody. I think
Speaker 6: you could argue that nobody else has had the impact
Speaker 6: on science fiction and science fiction films by extension to
Speaker 6: the degree that AHG.
Speaker 4: Wells has, Right, I'd agree with that. And I don't
Speaker 4: know if you've seen Stranger Things on Netflix.
Speaker 3: But yes, I did a lengthy analysis of it. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh nice.
Speaker 4: Well, what's kind of interesting about that in this context
Speaker 4: is it invokes all those eighties sci fi movies like
Speaker 4: et in Close Encounters, but yet it's very clearly about
Speaker 4: this being this entity brought through a portal via mk
Speaker 4: ultra torture.
Speaker 5: So that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, if anybody's interested they can go to
Speaker 6: Jay's analysis. And I think there's an audio thing that
Speaker 6: I did and pretty popular written piece that I did
Speaker 6: that I don't know. I got about twenty or thirty
Speaker 6: thousand views on that, so it did really well.
Speaker 3: It's worth checking out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And what I argue is that it's it combines cobblism,
Speaker 6: and it combines the idea of other dimensions portals all that.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of obvious.
Speaker 6: But what I found fascinating to begin with was that
Speaker 6: what sparked this in part was a lot of people
Speaker 6: in Hollywood wanting to play Dungeons and Dragons Believing or Rock.
Speaker 6: There was an article that came out in oh, I
Speaker 6: don't know, MTV or Din of Geek or one of
Speaker 6: those pop culture sites that was talking about how The
Speaker 6: Rock plays D and D weird.
Speaker 3: So you were talking.
Speaker 6: About The Rock earlier, and I'm not making too much
Speaker 6: out of that, but you wonder, you know, like we
Speaker 6: were talking about with actors.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: I understand that D and D is a game. I
Speaker 6: used to play D and D when I was in
Speaker 6: high school. I know all about how it works and
Speaker 6: all that. But isn't it interesting that, as you were
Speaker 6: saying earlier with the idea of bringing down the gods
Speaker 6: or something like what could it also be something where
Speaker 6: people believe that they are, you know, really tapping into something. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and that's the thesis of you know, stranger Things, is
Speaker 6: that they sort of unconsciously tap into this portal, this
Speaker 6: realm through.
Speaker 3: The D and D game.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now, I don't I'm not approaching this like a fundamentalist
Speaker 6: in saying that, oh, if you play D and D
Speaker 6: You're going to like open up the gate to Hell
Speaker 6: and anything like that. But it does pose that interesting
Speaker 6: question of can we meddle with and tap into forces
Speaker 6: that are, be honest, that we don't understand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's interesting. So what about let's another movie.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the Goonies another Spielberg movie. Seems pretty
Speaker 4: simple and innocent enough on the surface, but there is
Speaker 4: more when you dig deeper.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, I didn't make Goonies.
Speaker 6: Didn't make it end of the book, but I wrote
Speaker 6: an analysis of it about a month ago.
Speaker 3: And it was just one that I'd.
Speaker 6: Always been, you know, intending to get to, and I
Speaker 6: never really got to it until I.
Speaker 3: Was reading Chris Springmyer's book.
Speaker 6: I read it like ten years ago and kind of
Speaker 6: forgot about it, and I got that back out and
Speaker 6: I was looking at that, and his chapter on the
Speaker 6: Asters made me think, now, wait a minute, Goonies is
Speaker 6: about Astoria. So I read Oli Fritz's chapter, which was
Speaker 6: fairly well sourced, and then watched Goonies again, and I
Speaker 6: lo and behold, noticed the whole bunch of things I'd
Speaker 6: never ever noticed before, the first of which would be
Speaker 6: that when you look into the actual documented history of
Speaker 6: John Jacob Astor and the Astor family, all of that
Speaker 6: stuff is true. He was a high level Freemason grandmaster
Speaker 6: of a New York lodge. I believe he took his
Speaker 6: occultism seriously. But he was also a high level drug trader,
Speaker 6: so that's all true. So the stories of him going
Speaker 6: from the fur trade to the drug trade through shipping,
Speaker 6: that's all true. And you can find the public documentation
Speaker 6: of all that, right damn, which I linked him in
Speaker 6: my article.
Speaker 3: So that was interesting.
Speaker 6: So I wasn't sure how to read that in a
Speaker 6: line of gooney, But then when I rewatched it, you
Speaker 6: notice that the Goonies are kind of going on this
Speaker 6: sort of national Treasure Nick Cage type journey to decode
Speaker 6: the Masonic history of their city, of that story, and
Speaker 6: that's what they do, and they discover, oh, actually we're
Speaker 6: founded by a bunch of scally wagged pirates. Now so
Speaker 6: how is that relevant? Well, as we know from you know,
Speaker 6: people like Jordan Maxwell, I mean that the Jolly Roger
Speaker 6: flag is the flag of skull and Bones because it's
Speaker 6: the flag of we're not bound by any of your laws.
Speaker 6: We're transnational. So when sculling Bones and the Oss and
Speaker 6: these people took over that Jolly Roger symbol, they were saying,
Speaker 6: we are internationalists. We will run this drug trade outside
Speaker 6: of your national laws. We're not bound by any of
Speaker 6: your stupid rules. We are the true elite outsiders. And
Speaker 6: so what's funny and ironic about goonies is that the
Speaker 6: goonies are going to have their houses all were closed
Speaker 6: on and was a country club is going to be
Speaker 6: built golf course, right, and so they're the outsiders who
Speaker 6: actually discover the jewels and then you know they're able
Speaker 6: to save the family and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: So the irin is just ironic that they are the
Speaker 6: alienated outsider youth that identify with the pirates when they
Speaker 6: decode the big Masonic myth of astoria. They find the
Speaker 6: treasure and they're able to you know, presumably they're wealthy,
Speaker 6: I guess, because they you know, he still ends up
Speaker 6: with jewels, like a bag of them, if you remember
Speaker 6: at the end. So anyway, I just I saw all
Speaker 6: that weirdness going on. That's how I read it. And
Speaker 6: there's also some weird kind of phallic references in goonies,
Speaker 6: which I'm not sure what to make of, but you know, yeah,
Speaker 6: when we think about that in light of what Corey
Speaker 6: Feldman said, you know, I don't.
Speaker 5: Know absolutely.
Speaker 4: The I was something I was going to ask you
Speaker 4: about later on. It was Pizzagate kind of because child
Speaker 4: pedophilia in Hollywood has been a theme in a conspiracy
Speaker 4: for a long time, not only claims of passing around
Speaker 4: child actors, but also having underage kids play prostitutes.
Speaker 5: And stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the political and Hollywood a leader very interrelated. I'm curious,
Speaker 4: what are your thoughts on the Pizzagate scandal or Hollywood's
Speaker 4: role in the abuse of children.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I did three or four audios on
Speaker 6: pizza Gate. So if anybody wants to like a fuller breakdown,
Speaker 6: they can check those out, but sure. But yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean I think that it was pretty clear that there
Speaker 6: was some kind of black market operation going on that
Speaker 6: dealt with perhaps at least gay prostitutes or something like that.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's very popular in the DC scene, and
Speaker 6: that would also be connected to things like cocaine and
Speaker 6: drug use and all that and code words and all that.
Speaker 6: So I know that I know all the arguments and
Speaker 6: everything about you know, what all of the code words
Speaker 6: mean and all this kind of stuff, but I don't
Speaker 6: know if there's definitive proof. And you know, that could
Speaker 6: have been intentional. They could have put something out that
Speaker 6: wasn't definitively proven. But what you can prove is, you know,
Speaker 6: Laura Silsby to get in trouble for going to Haiti
Speaker 6: and trying to bring a bunch of kids.
Speaker 3: Out of Haiti. You can prove that. And yeah, you
Speaker 3: can prove that she was connected to the Clinton Foundation.
Speaker 6: You can show that John Podesta made a lot of
Speaker 6: weird statements and you know, what does it mean when
Speaker 6: they're talking about a hot tub and.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pizza a hot tub.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's hard to say exactly what definitively what
Speaker 6: it is, and you know, was that a plan to
Speaker 6: sign off the alternative media? I don't know, But ultimately
Speaker 6: we don't need quote pizza Gate. You know that this
Speaker 6: kind of stuff is true because there's like a dozen
Speaker 6: other cases of the exact same thing, Right, So I'm
Speaker 6: not saying, by admitting that I don't know exactly what
Speaker 6: the situation Pete is, that that's not true. I'm just
Speaker 6: saying that I wouldn't be surprised because there's so many
Speaker 6: other cases. We've got Savile, You've got the du trou
Speaker 6: affair in Belgium, You've got Franklin cover up, Craig Spence,
Speaker 6: you know, Johnny Gosh, the White House. You know, there's
Speaker 6: like and there's a whole slew of other books that
Speaker 6: you could find about this kind of stuff, the pedophilia
Speaker 6: and the Catholic Church. William Kennedy's book, Listener's Lodge, Malchai
Speaker 6: Martin's books have talked about it.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's this book after book after book that
Speaker 3: have already dealt with.
Speaker 4: This matter, right, And I agree with you that you
Speaker 4: don't need Pizzagate. It's just kind of one example of
Speaker 4: a theme that seems to be there for sure, and
Speaker 4: a lot of times you can get a better beat
Speaker 4: on things by looking at the aftermath. And it wasn't
Speaker 4: really until that shooter went into comment Pizza where I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, okay, so you put out a lot
Speaker 4: of smoke that's unprovable. You then put do a false
Speaker 4: flag where a guy goes in with a gun, and
Speaker 4: then you say, Okay, we got to crack down on
Speaker 4: these alternative news sites because conspiracy is dangerous.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: It's not just goofy and wrong, it's actually dangerous to
Speaker 4: even discuss stuff that doesn't come from CNN, MSNBC. So
Speaker 4: I totally see that being a possibility for the agenda there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I'm just and I totally agree, like as
Speaker 6: a thesis, you know what I mean, Like I could
Speaker 6: see that thesis.
Speaker 3: I could also see the thesis that this was.
Speaker 6: A real operation going on, you know, with all the
Speaker 6: worst stuff imaginable. Yeah, but I just don't personally know.
Speaker 6: But what we do know is that, you know, there's
Speaker 6: court cases involving Epstein and his island and all the
Speaker 6: Clinton trips on the Epstein pedophile plan and Little Saint James.
Speaker 3: I mean that's known of course. Man.
Speaker 4: So we've talked about this idea that themes in film
Speaker 4: can give us an idea of what might be I
Speaker 4: mean even a decade beforehand. Sometimes, are there any newer
Speaker 4: film trends you see coming that concern you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's see, I was trying to think of what
Speaker 6: sci fi type things I've seen recently that that hinted
Speaker 6: at that kind of stuff, because yeah, like I said,
Speaker 6: I think when you look back to something like AI
Speaker 6: or Minority Report, you know, like in Minority Report you're
Speaker 6: seeing targeted advertising and you know, retinal scanning, all that
Speaker 6: kind of stuff that was new to you know, two
Speaker 6: thousand and one or two. All that kind of stuff
Speaker 6: we're seeing more prevalent now, right. And so in AI
Speaker 6: you see sex bots. This is all in the news
Speaker 6: now right. They're they're rolling out in the sex bots.
Speaker 6: This was in the Enemy of the State, it was
Speaker 6: an AI, it was in Blade Runner. Some of the
Speaker 6: replicants are sex bots. So I'm trying to think of
Speaker 6: recent sci fi movies that I've seen that might have
Speaker 6: new aspects of predictive programming.
Speaker 3: But off the top of my head, actually I can't
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 4: Well, there's you know, the two New Star Wars movies.
Speaker 4: I guess we already talked about Arrival. I haven't seen
Speaker 4: all that many sci fi movies in the past year
Speaker 4: or two either.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think as I said, like Arrival and
Speaker 6: Star Trek, and I mean these kind of just have
Speaker 6: the more globalist minded propaganda of you know, anyone that's
Speaker 6: opposing And if you can, we mentioned Rand Corporation earlier.
Speaker 6: Rand Corporation had a direct connection to Star Trek. They
Speaker 6: were into some of the Rank Corporation people were involved
Speaker 6: in brainstorming ideas and based on stuff that was in
Speaker 6: Star Trek. You can find you can find papers on
Speaker 6: that at the Rank Corporation. So I'm not making that up.
Speaker 6: And what's the whole idea of Star Trek is what, Well,
Speaker 6: we've got to have a federation that can rule all
Speaker 6: these unruly, you know, independent existing people groups, all right.
Speaker 6: I mean that's just globalism one on one. And Geene
Speaker 6: rodd Berry would actually talk about that openly. He would say,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm all for a little government. We got
Speaker 6: to have a new world order. This is the only
Speaker 6: way to do things. And you know, though, the way
Speaker 6: we do this is to get rid of all these
Speaker 6: people thinking that there's a god and that they have
Speaker 6: their own traditions and that's all just got to be
Speaker 6: wiped away and we'll have.
Speaker 3: You know, the Halo Deck.
Speaker 6: Well, there you go, So Holodeck and VR that's what's coming.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm just trying to think of other movies.
Speaker 5: I saw X Men Apocalypse.
Speaker 4: I thought that was pretty interesting, just because the Apocalypse
Speaker 4: character talks about being something ancient. Like there's a character
Speaker 4: who asks who are you, and he's like, Elohim raw.
Speaker 4: I've been called many names over many lifetimes. I am
Speaker 4: born of death. I was there to spark and fan
Speaker 4: the flame of man's awakening, to spin the wheel of civilization.
Speaker 4: And when the forest would grow rank and needed clearing
Speaker 4: for new growth.
Speaker 5: I was there to set it ablaze.
Speaker 4: And I think that's a pretty awesome dialogue.
Speaker 5: But it's also pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Actually, yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that because I have
Speaker 6: written on Avengers and the Marvel stuff, and X Men
Speaker 6: is on.
Speaker 3: My list to get to.
Speaker 6: Actually, but if you go and read my my takes
Speaker 6: on Captain America and Avengers and all that, I think
Speaker 6: there's three or four articles I've done on those. It
Speaker 6: would be kind of the same themes. Because you've got
Speaker 6: like if you saw X Men first Class, that was
Speaker 6: crazy because they're like working with the CIA. They are
Speaker 6: a CIA project, which is just mind blowing. So all
Speaker 6: that's revealed, and I do think there's true to this,
Speaker 6: you know, the whole super Soldier idea. And I have
Speaker 6: Chris Knowles's book. It's pretty good, so I'm glad you
Speaker 6: referenced him. But I just haven't seen Apocalypse yet. But
Speaker 6: I didn't know what to I was lost actually in
Speaker 6: the last X Men, the one before that, that where
Speaker 6: they went back to back in time, and yeah, like
Speaker 6: JFK Era and what is going on here?
Speaker 3: Interacting with Nixon and JFK.
Speaker 6: In alternate timelines, and it just kind of lost me
Speaker 6: in the confusion, and I didn't think it was that great,
Speaker 6: but there is. You're absolutely right to point out X
Speaker 6: Men and Marvel and all that.
Speaker 3: Because they're just rife with everything.
Speaker 6: All I can say is just check out my nalysis
Speaker 6: on those movies at Jason Alysis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there were a lot of bombs when it
Speaker 4: comes to sci fi. In the last year. There was
Speaker 4: the remake of, I mean, the sequel of Independence Day.
Speaker 4: There was that movie that I thought looked interesting, Gods
Speaker 4: of Egypt that was apparently terrible. So the only one
Speaker 4: I've heard that was good that I haven't seen is
Speaker 4: the fifth Wave. I've heard that has some pretty interesting
Speaker 4: stuff in it because the first four waves are like,
Speaker 4: first they create, you know, if there's an alien invasion
Speaker 4: and there's five waves of it. The first wave is
Speaker 4: create darkness, then widespread destruction, then infection, then invasion, and
Speaker 4: then the fifth wave is actually, once the planet is
Speaker 4: in its weekend state, then you swoop in and just
Speaker 4: take it interesting.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: Actually I did see that movie advertise, but I didn't
Speaker 6: actually watch it, And the reason for that is that
Speaker 6: what I'm having to do right now is prep for
Speaker 6: the TV show that Jay Weener and I are going
Speaker 6: to do, and we're working on the first season, and
Speaker 6: it's going to be thirteen or fourteen episodes of first
Speaker 6: Ridley Scott, then David Lynch Movies in Spielberg, then Kubrick,
Speaker 6: then The Matrix and The X Files, Christopher Nolan movies,
Speaker 6: James Cameron, Roland, Plansky, Bond, Twin Peaks, True Detective, Godfather,
Speaker 6: DaVinci Code, and then we're going to do an episode
Speaker 6: called Gnostic Cinema, which is snow Piercer, Westworld, and Dark City.
Speaker 6: So what I'm having to do right now is and
Speaker 6: this I just got this information a couple days ago,
Speaker 6: so I don't even have the time really to like
Speaker 6: watch the fun movies i'd want to.
Speaker 3: I have to sit and rewatch.
Speaker 6: All of these over and over and kind of plot
Speaker 6: out what we want to do with each one of
Speaker 6: these episodes and where we want to take it. So
Speaker 6: so that's what I've been working on, and our show
Speaker 6: will be I think in running in April on guy
Speaker 6: a TV.
Speaker 3: Very cool.
Speaker 5: That's exciting.
Speaker 4: Well, right on, man, It's always great to talk to you.
Speaker 5: I enjoyed it last time. This has been a blast too.
Speaker 4: I like a guy who knows a shit, and you are.
Speaker 5: One of those guys.
Speaker 3: Thanks Greg, you got it.
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Speaker 4: And it is always best to get the books directly
Speaker 4: from the author if you can, to cut out that
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Speaker 3: Exactly, Yes, thank you.
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Speaker 5: Long, right on.
Speaker 4: Well, awesome man, always a pleasure, I guess that brings
Speaker 4: us to the end.
Speaker 3: Of the show.
Speaker 5: Take care of yourself out there all right?
Speaker 3: Thank you, Greg, you got it all right.
Speaker 5: Fun stuff.
Speaker 4: I really do like the Hollywood Breakdown guests because I've
Speaker 4: grown up being such a media junkie, and even though
Speaker 4: we all know it's a very persuasive tool, I think
Speaker 4: there are always new elements to discover, and I really
Speaker 4: think Jay is one of the best guys focusing on
Speaker 4: this area.
Speaker 5: I like Mark.
Speaker 4: Devlin for music and Jay Dyer for movies, and I
Speaker 4: thought a lot of great stuff was covered today. Probably
Speaker 4: most memorable for me is that idea of ET being
Speaker 4: about a conjured up spirit entity more than a space alien.
Speaker 4: It sort of strengthens the narrative of a concerted effort
Speaker 4: to put certain ideas into the culture about reality outside
Speaker 4: of our immediate environment and beings beyond it, an effort
Speaker 4: to depict magic, ritual and entities and paint it with
Speaker 4: the brush of science, space and aliens. It's a curious
Speaker 4: case to make because you have to ask the why
Speaker 4: why would this be an agenda in Hollywood with cooperation
Speaker 4: from NASA and military intelligence and also a flooding of
Speaker 4: the alternative world with a bunch of space alien pushers too,
Speaker 4: if you think that's a part of it.
Speaker 5: Some do.
Speaker 4: It's very strange. Some would say it's because the elite
Speaker 4: were laying a base, because they planned a stage of
Speaker 4: false flag alien invasion in the future. First you fight
Speaker 4: nations like the Two World Wars, then you fight ideas
Speaker 4: like terrorism, and then you fight a completely fabricated enemy
Speaker 4: that you completely control with one hundred percent autonomy. Maybe
Speaker 4: people do say that, but I always found it to
Speaker 4: be a bit far fetched. Now, if you're a flat
Speaker 4: earther or you already know why the directors are doing this. Obviously,
Speaker 4: they're crafting the space concept for the collective consciousness, projecting
Speaker 4: the futile possibility that we can actually rise beyond the
Speaker 4: dome that encapsulates this island Earth, a full spectrum deception
Speaker 4: of the highest order, the lie of life. Maybe I'm
Speaker 4: also not a flat Earth guy, but I will meet
Speaker 4: you in the middle and say that I love the
Speaker 4: prison planet concept about as much as the hollow Earth,
Speaker 4: and you could fit this stuff in that box. Or
Speaker 4: it might be as simple as trying to expose the
Speaker 4: masses to occult entities and esoteric rituals and their cabbalistic
Speaker 4: belief system on the DL to Trojan Horse, the masses
Speaker 4: into the occult could be, but the lens of space
Speaker 4: and aliens does seem suspiciously significant, doesn't it. Maybe we'll
Speaker 4: never know exactly what motivates that machine, but I think
Speaker 4: it's pretty clear that those top directors, Spielberg, Kubrick, Cameron,
Speaker 4: they serve an important function. I can't claim to know
Speaker 4: what it is fully, and even James seems pretty flexible
Speaker 4: as to the whys, which is great because it's very
Speaker 4: arrogant to think we'll ever get at one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: All we really can do is hold up different pieces,
Speaker 4: look them over and see which ones fit better than others,
Speaker 4: which perspectives and threads weave a tighter tapestry to get
Speaker 4: us closer.
Speaker 5: To the truth.
Speaker 4: But we're born into a completely different world, shaped by
Speaker 4: think tanks, wealthy industrialists, and international banking dollig archs who
Speaker 4: all have an interesting preoccupation with some occult belief system.
Speaker 4: Right right, Well, fucking a Jay Dyer. If you like
Speaker 4: the stuff we talked about in the first hour in
Speaker 4: the Plus show, we got into stuff like predictive programming
Speaker 4: in the Trump presidency specifically, and back to the Future
Speaker 4: in Grimlins two. And you know, I was unaware that
Speaker 4: Jay had decided to throw his hat in Trump's ring,
Speaker 4: and I really don't care or judge him for it.
Speaker 4: It's just that everyone is so polarized now listener wise,
Speaker 4: that a lot of people are like keeping score with
Speaker 4: the guests, trying to make sure that their team is
Speaker 4: equally represented.
Speaker 5: Don't be like that.
Speaker 4: Some people are scoring me way to the right, and
Speaker 4: that is not fair because they're given right wing points
Speaker 4: for the Pizzagate shows, and that is an elite issue,
Speaker 4: not a right verse left one. I will not accept
Speaker 4: those points, and it's going to come up. It's coming
Speaker 4: up everywhere you look. But I'm spending less time on
Speaker 4: political topics and more on just the fringe where we belong.
Speaker 4: But really, you shouldn't care about either political side, or
Speaker 4: at least you should be able to separate and appreciate
Speaker 4: a person's expertise and just sort of recognize their worldview,
Speaker 4: the lenses they look through. I mean, consider that in
Speaker 4: what they say, and then just see what you can
Speaker 4: pull out and apply to your own paradigm. It's not
Speaker 4: really about every little thing or writing someone off completely
Speaker 4: because they see one of about an infinite number of
Speaker 4: issues differently than you do, or they take religion more
Speaker 4: seriously than you do. You know how I am on religion,
Speaker 4: and I still have guests that dear if I think
Speaker 4: there's something I can appreciate about their work otherwise. But anyway,
Speaker 4: we talked about a lot of great stuff today in
Speaker 4: the second hour for those oh so supportive plus people,
Speaker 4: GI Joe being a conspiratorial Schmorgesborg, touching on almost all
Speaker 4: the major themes we hear about in the alternative realm
Speaker 4: military recruitment films where you might least expect them. Doctor
Speaker 4: Strangelove as an allusion to the Rand Corporation esoteric Hollywood
Speaker 4: film shot on location at Rothschild Mansions. Also why the
Speaker 4: Tavistak Institute would be studying Hitchcock films, the role of
Speaker 4: seventies and eighties dystopia films like Labyrinth and The Dark Crystal,
Speaker 4: the films of David Lynch, Jay's thoughts on more recent
Speaker 4: films like Split and Arrival, and as icing on this
Speaker 4: crazy cake, we talked about Chuck Palino's work. I never
Speaker 4: know how to pronounce his name. I just take a
Speaker 4: shot and Survivor by the way, if you did hear
Speaker 4: the Plus show. Survivor is his book that involves a
Speaker 4: hijacked plane.
Speaker 5: I couldn't believe.
Speaker 4: I couldn't think of it at the time, and we
Speaker 4: talked about a lot of other good stuff too. Just
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Speaker 4: grew a pair and quit my shitty job managing a
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Speaker 4: I try to be respectful of your time, give you
Speaker 4: a great show, and I offered up for just that
Speaker 4: five bucks, and I don't bother you with any other stuff. Yes,
Speaker 4: I make t shirts based on episodes over at Higher
Speaker 4: Side Clothing, but whatever, I hope you see the contrast
Speaker 4: between me and other hosts the Higher Side and other
Speaker 4: shows and recognize even things like the difference in audio quality.
Speaker 4: I listened to a show the other day from a
Speaker 4: channel that I have been a fan of or a
Speaker 4: follower of. THHD was even a thing one of the
Speaker 4: most well known in the alternative realm, and the host
Speaker 4: she still puts up her interviews on YouTube with the
Speaker 4: technical difficulties still in it, with terrible echoing throughout the
Speaker 4: entire show. It's just like if doing interviews, it's what
Speaker 4: you're gonna do for a living. Take a goddamn second
Speaker 4: to get the audio right and package it up nice
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Speaker 5: If you're worried about that, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: Right, well, it does mean a lot to be listener supported,
Speaker 4: and every host is just trying to get your money somehow.
Speaker 4: But I wait to the end, and I like to
Speaker 4: think that I spend less time pitching than any other show,
Speaker 4: and I like the content.
Speaker 5: To speak for itself, So meet me in the middle here.
Speaker 4: But again, Jay is always a welcome guest, fun and
Speaker 4: knowledgeable guy to talk to, and I have two more
Speaker 4: shows due out by the end of the super short
Speaker 4: month of February.
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna get on it. That is it for me?
Speaker 4: Your move, SoCal sorcers of eight millimeter magic and mental manipulation,
Speaker 4: Your fucking move?
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