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Speaker 1: The planet's tough.

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Speaker 2: The masters almost surely have a plan.

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Speaker 3: This clearly made me.

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Speaker 4: Something there beyond the realm of men.

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Speaker 2: And until you Flody tested, every last school's tested you

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a fine.

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Speaker 4: The more you think you know, the less you really do.

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Speaker 3: That's true, doctor, Say, where would.

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Speaker 2: We be without tec because we know that audienciers just don't.

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Speaker 1: Know what to creed?

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Speaker 2: Yet, where would we be without dec the Highest Side

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chat Show, Red Car Company?

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Speaker 5: All right, Higher Side Chatters?

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Speaker 4: We know that from the printing press of the film.

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Real mediums of mass communication have always been weaponized and

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used as the main vehicles for propaganda and culture creation. And,

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along with the school system dead set on churning out

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obedient servants to the management, last movies and media act

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is the pacifiers that make many people just content enough

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with their life of servitude. Well, today's returning guest, Jay Dyer,

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has been picking apart the Titans of Tinseltown for many

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years on his website Jay's Analysis, where he methodically breaks

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down dozens of films to expose the hidden agendas and

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symbolism they contain. He also writes extensively on philosophy, geopolitics, history, conspiracy,

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esoterica and more, and we got him here hot on

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the heels of his great new book Esoteric Hollywood, Sex,

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Cults and Symbols and Film. It's a real treat to

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have him here once again, Jay Moman, welcome back to

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the Higher Side.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Greg. Always a pleasure. I'm glad to be back.

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Speaker 6: We had a really good time last time talking about

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science fiction and propaganda, and I'm sure this.

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Speaker 3: Will be equally as exciting.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I really loved that last episode.

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Speaker 4: I think we also focused a lot on Ian Fleming

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and the Bond films. Interstellar was pretty fresh at that

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time too, exactly.

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Speaker 5: And I also really enjoyed this new book of yours.

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Speaker 4: And maybe a good place to start with that is

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that one of the first sections is called film as Ritual,

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which is provocative. But how closely related do you think

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film and ritual really are? How are they similar?

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Speaker 6: Well, the idea of ritual could be many things, right,

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I mean, we generally think of it as a kind

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of religious ceremony that has some connection to deities or

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the divine or the celestial, And in modern parlance, I

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guess we've kind of disconnected the idea of theater and

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plays and acting from that milieu. But that's actually where

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it comes from. You know, if you go back to

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ancient Greece, the idea of Sophocles, of antigony of the

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theater was bound up with the idea of the gods

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and the stories of the gods. And you know, it's

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the same with Homer, Odysseus.

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Speaker 3: The Iliad, all of that.

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Speaker 6: And so what I tried to do was kind of

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go back to that ancient perspective and get a window

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into that. And I did a lecture I think about

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a year ago or maybe two years ago on Plato's Ion,

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which is a dialogue that not many people are aware of.

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Speaker 3: Io In is the name of the dialogue.

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Speaker 6: And it's a conversation that Socrates has with some poets

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and musicians and they're saying, hey, Socrates.

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Speaker 3: Like, you don't know what truth is, man.

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Speaker 6: You think it's all this philosophizing and analytical stuff and

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it's inspiration, that's the true truth. And Socrates says, no,

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you guys are actually just kind of Dionysian madmen. He says,

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you're He says, you're inspired by these spirits and conceivably,

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you know, there is evidence to suggested in ancient Greece

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they actually were perhaps taking callucinogens and narcotics and things

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like this. So it's entirely possible that the in the

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arts and musicians and so forth poets were under the

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influence of drugs and so forth. So in that regard,

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alternate other personalities or entities quote unquote that are kind

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of inspiring this performance or this play or whatever. And

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when we fast forward to probably the most popular modern

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school or technique of serious acting that you know, most

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and his whole idea was that you could, through his craft,

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through his methodology, invoke and sort of take on these

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you know, whether you believe that there are actual alternate

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drugs or rituals or ceremonies or magic or whatever that

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sort of furor this kind of berserk sort of state,

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Speaker 3: So that's what I start with.

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Speaker 6: That's why I start as film as ritual, because acting

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in the ancient world was ritual.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I love it that idea that theater and

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the practice of acting out those mythological stories is like

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an attempt to draw down the power of those entities. Yeah,

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it's it's deep stuff, and it's like pretty out there

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it makes sense. And do you think that there is

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on in modern filmmaking as well?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 6: Many of the A listers are openly into method acting.

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they actually do it, or that they're possessed or anything

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like that, But what I'm saying is that they believe

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and act upon the philosophy of Constantine Stanislowski, which was

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occulting in nature, and so he really thought that you

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could have an alternate persona step in and take over

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Speaker 3: So that's the goal.

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Speaker 6: Now, whether they actually do that as I'm sure debatable,

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but I mean, how many times have we seen people,

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for example, if they have a bad trip, right, and

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the story is that, you know an Apocalypse Now, who

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is a Martin Sheen right? I mean he's supposed to

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be really tripping when he goes crazy in that scene,

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famous scene in Apocalypse Now, So again this is method acting.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 4: I mean we've talked on the show about the idea

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of alternate personalities. I mean, this happens a lot in

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Hollywood and music. I mean, so many actors don't even

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use their real name, which is kind of strange. I

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mean there's no other field like that. And then even

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within that, you'll have a lot of musicians in particular

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who have alternate personalities, which seems like a weird thing

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to do when you're trying to build a specific brand

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and you've done all this work to build up Beyonce

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and now you're Sasha Fierce or you've built up Garth

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Brooks and now you're whatever his alternate persona.

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Speaker 5: Was that he used.

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Speaker 4: Very weird that they do that at all, And it

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a vessel for various personalities or taking on various personas.

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Speaker 5: So I think you're onto something.

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oh pop stars and things like that, that it's entirely

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possible that a lot of it's just marketing. Right, So

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maybe when there's going to be a new Beyonce album

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or Sasha Fears or whatever. So it's entirely possible that

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that is marketing. But I also have read a lot

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this is leave a psychiatrists several years counseling a woman

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with multiple personalities. Now, that could be fake. I've heard

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some good argumentation suggesting that the classic story Sybil was fake,

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but then again the source calling it fake was NPR,

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so well, MPR is not the most reliable source. So

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the idea of splits and altered and all this is

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very I guess, controversial and debated. And when you look

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the basis is if it's things like, oh, it's not

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possible because it doesn't fit with the idea of materialistic

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reductionistic Darwinism or something like this, like you know, the

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brain is just matter, and since we're not seeing anything

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actually splitting under the microscope or something like this, then

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it's not possible. Well, that just is assuming that the

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mind of the psyche or the soul is in itself material,

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which is an unproven assumption, again based on a person's

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belief in materialism. However, if the soul and the psyche exist,

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not strictly material quote unquote, then that opens up, you know,

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all kinds of possibilities for what may actually be going on.

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so cult scientistic claims about what's possible in the realm

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of the psyche? So anyway, yeah, I would say that.

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people with multiple personality disorder or d ID, and I

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Speaker 3: To all appearances, it appears to be real.

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Speaker 6: I don't see how all of these people could be

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all faking this, So I tend to think it's real.

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literally call forth all these.

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Speaker 3: Actually really good. Yeah Split Split and Yeah. I went

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and saw that. I thought it was great. I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 6: Hollywooded up, but if you read a book like Switching Time,

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you know, it seems to line up pretty clear.

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Speaker 3: What's that?

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Speaker 6: And I would say that that would be my suspicion

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Speaker 3: But do I know if Britney has multiple personalities?

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there's these different personas. So I wouldn't be surprised in

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her case because I have seen some interviews where she

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Speaker 3: Personality totally right.

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Speaker 6: I've seen people have freak outs on drugs where it's

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that somebody else was running that machine. The ghost in

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the machine was switched out, there was some other ghosts

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I definitely think there's something to this

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determining to what degree, but yeah, there's something to it

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Speaker 5: And I'm curious do you see.

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Speaker 4: Film being good vehicles for occult aims outside of invocation?

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Are there other things in that occult esoteric toolbox that

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are being manifested through film?

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Speaker 3: Are there good aspects? Sure? Sure?

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Speaker 6: I don't think you know all the films are nefarious

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and satirical sci fi versions of like Plato's Allegory the Cave.

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Speaker 4: But to clarify, and i'd i'd say good vehicles, but

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more curious if you see films acting as useful mechanisms

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for other occult aims besides the invocation aspects we talked

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about other things in the Magical Toolbox. For example, I

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media and Hollywood is to replace our imagination or to

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have us outsource our ability to visualize, because they know

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how important the connection between consciousness and matter is and

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that we can influence our reality. But not if they

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bombard us with all this filler from a young age.

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So I guess I'm really asking if you see other

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occult related purposes for the Hollywood machine other than the

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entity energy draw down aspect that you would laid out already.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I see what you're saying. I have seen.

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Speaker 6: My buddy John brought this to my attention. John Adams

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over at Hoostbusters. He said, if you look at the book,

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my head, but I did look it up. Gregory Bateson,

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who is one of the sort of MK ultra guys

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in the background, he wrote a book where he did

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actually talk about capturing man's imagination, and he saw that

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the need to control creativity and imagination was very important

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for social engineering because in my view, this is really

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the function of Disney, right. It's like it is all

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about quote imagination, and what they've done with Disney is

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totally weaponized it to capture your children's imagination and really

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turn it into a lot of dark social engineering things

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like you know, they want to take your kid and

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take her from being Hannah Montana and turn her into

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gender fluid, disgusting slutty Miley Cyrus. So that's the real

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goal of capturing imagination.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm, yeah, man, Disney is quite a force, and

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it goes too far, I will admit. And I actually

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new one Mona and I guess the Rock plays a

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demigod character. I assume from Hawaiian mythology. I think that's

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what it's all about. And there is a line in

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one of his songs where he describes making the world

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and at one point he says, I killed an eel,

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buried its guts sprout of a tree. Now you have coconuts.

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And I just thought, huh, that's a fairly detailed ritual description,

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right there, a bit of an evolution from when you

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wish upon a pentagram. And I am being facetious, but

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however small, there is a very purposeful occult thread through

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a lot of those films.

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Speaker 6: It's an interesting point. I haven't followed much Disney stuff

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or kids stuff in general. I tend to focus on

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more well, at least in the first book you know

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that I did. It was mainly things that I grew

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up with, you know, Spielberg movies, Hitchcock movies, James Bond Kubrick,

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things that I watched growing up in high school and

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stuff like that. But I'm sure that, yeah, you could

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definitely go a whole other rabbit hole, you know, into

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Speaker 3: The programming and stuff like that.

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Speaker 6: And but again, I think that the main tool of

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what they do with the kids films is promote mindless

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sort of rebellion, promote wells. As you mentioned, they're sort

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of the capturing of the imagination and turning it to

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really just the service of the system. I mean, you know, Disney,

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for example, was for a long time involved in promoting

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government propaganda and military recruitment.

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Speaker 3: That was a big part of what Disney himself stood for.

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Speaker 6: He had access to and worked at the Laurel Canyon Studios,

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you know, where they did all these secret Air Force

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films and so forth that I discussed in the book

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that comes from Dave McGowan's work. So, yeah, that is

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a good question. I mean, only the kids aspect of

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something that could be explored more. But I mean I've

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seen all kinds of dastardly stuff from Nickelodeon and MTV,

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and you know that I think is genuinely intended to

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have negative effects on your children.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the whole goal of all of it is

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a depopulation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it could be a stretch, but I've

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even heard people talking about the sliming of kids on

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Nickelodeon being you know, symbolic of semen.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that might.

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Speaker 4: Be a stretch, but I'm like, that is kind of

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kind of creepy too when you think about it in

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that context.

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Speaker 5: But let's get into Spielberg a little bit.

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Speaker 4: You write about them a decent amount in esoteric Hollywood,

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breaking down several of his movies, and if there were

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a larger, semi organized machine behind Hollywood, Spielberg would have

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to be involved. So when you look at the totality

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of his films, do you see an over arching aim

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or agenda that becomes more clear?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you could boil down like probably three

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major themes that Spielberg deals with. He deals with holocaust,

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he deals with familial relations, and he deals with aliens.

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That's the three things that he's focused on. So what

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I folks, well, alien slash transhumanism and so forth. So

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what I focused on in my book was the alien

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and transhuman myths and stories that he's focused on and

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so he interestingly does have a penchant for Philip K. Dick,

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who I think is very fascinating as a writer and

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a character. Because you know, Spielberg did Minority Report, so

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there's a chapter on Minority Report that I do that

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focuses on dystopia and how tech can lead to dystopia.

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So not everything in Spielberg is bad. I don't think

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he's totally nefarious or anything like that. And I don't

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actually go after anybody personally or any of the directors.

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I just kind of try to decode the films and

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see what patterns and meanings I can find in the symbolism.

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Speaker 3: What is Spielberg all about?

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Speaker 6: Was I said, aliens and transhumanism, And I think those

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two things are linked. For one, because I personally am

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not convinced that there's like extra biological entities. But I

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think that if you watch movies like ET and then

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you watch something like his version of or the Worlds,

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the cold calculated scientistic approach that the so called aliens

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have sure does seem to match up to the cold

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calculated scientistic approach of the deep state and the military

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industrial complex and the international corporations. Yeah, they have that

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because like, so at the end of Closed Encounters, what's

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it all about. Well, they're stealing, abducting kids and family members,

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and you get the impression at the very very end

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that they're doing some kind of genetic modification on these

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people and then they're like giving them back to you

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like twenty years later or something, and they haven't aged.

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working on genetic modification, hybridization, GMOs, halting, the aging process,

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you know, all these kinds of things that we in

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the conspiracy world really believe the oligarchs are working on

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and are into. So I think that's the real meaning

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of something like Close Encounters, which actually kicked off the

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modern alien Hollywood blockbuster phenomena. I can't really think. I mean,

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there was there probably were alien movies, no doubt, many

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of them prior to Close Encounters, but making aliens into

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a giant blockbusters, you know, it begins, I would say

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with if you don't count two thousand and one, which

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I tend to believe two thousand and ones about AI

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not so called aliens but extra terrestrial beings, you get,

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you know, you get Close Encounters, which is based on

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Jail and Heinek and Jacqueville, Right, this is both of

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their works. We're kind of the basis for what was

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going on in Close Encounters. And actually I believe Heinek.

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I found sources saying that Jalen Heineck was actually consulting

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with Spielberg on the set. So yeah, so I think

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that you're talking about people from the deep state who

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know about what the UFO and on really is sort

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of consulting with Bilberg. Spielberg's putting out his version of it.

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And you know, then when you look at Et, I

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think Et is actually about this idea of the Et.

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Speaker 3: Is more like a familiar spirit than he is like

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an alien. That's why he has this.

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Speaker 6: Very strange bonded connection with Elliott. And you know when

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Et gets drunk and burbs, Elliot's drunk and belching. Right, Yeah,

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this is very very weird stuff going on there.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, man, and this is exactly what I wanted

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to get into because I love that ET analysis and

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it's it's so interesting you talk about in the film

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Meet You mentioned the shadow government researcher in the movie

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is named Keys, and that it's a reference to the

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Key of Solomon. And let's get into this bit. What

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is the significance there is that message part of the

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uh subtly saying that Et is a familiar spirit or

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a demon rather than a space alien.

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Speaker 6: I would say so because you look at what his

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so called powers are, and they again, they match up

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much closer to something like a familiar spirit supposedly than

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it does any sort of quote alien. It's almost as

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if Elliott invokes Et to come and they have this.

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It's almost like Et is his higher self or his

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you know, sort of holy guardian angel or something. And

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I think there's a lot of bizarre, sort of Crollian

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dish imagery in the film too, with you know, the

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moon child and Elliott flying across the moon as a child,

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this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I think that's suggestive. It's not definitive, but it's suggestive.

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Speaker 6: And so the Peter Coyote character, that's the guy who's

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playing keys. He shows up at the beginning and then

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he pops up later at the end, and he's actually

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this sort of mysterious almost angelic government figure. He's turns

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out to be a good guy because he's opening up

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all of these scenarios at least That's how I read it,

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And actually I think Roger Ebert says something similar to

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that in his book The Great Movies when he looks

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at ET. So anyway, it's a it's a different take

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on ET definitely that I have.

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Speaker 3: But the actual guy, Peter.

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Speaker 6: Coyote, interestingly, was a hardcore Marxist and he was a

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big time sort of activist quote unquote and in terms

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of Marxism and cultural revolution.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I think that's potentially suggest I'm.

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Speaker 6: Not saying he is an occultist or anything like that,

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for sure, but it's just interesting that, you know, you

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don't see this guy in a lot of movies, and

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Spielbert chooses him for this role. I don't know why,

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but ultimately I think what ET is was the propagation

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of a rebranding of the alien mythology for a generation

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of youth. Right, so I was Elliott's age when ET

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came out, so that was targeted at people my generation,

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and I think the goal of that was a rebranding

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of quote, aliens, not to be something nefarious or dangerous

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and some otherworldly threat, but something that we should embrace.

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And when you get to my Prometheus chapter, what I

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argue is that the reason that we're being warmed up

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to quote aliens for so long, and why Hollywood just

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constantly turns out alien movies like NonStop, is not just

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for blockbuster ticket sales. It's actually, I think, to sort

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of warm us up for the acceptance of a new

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global religion that melds better with Darwinism. And I think that,

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as I argue in the HD Wells Spielberg chapter in

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the book, I believe that we've been prepped for this

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for a long time, going all the way back to

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the science fiction and predictive programming of H. G.

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Speaker 3: Wells. And that's why Spielberg chooses things like war the.

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Speaker 4: World's Fascinating Man. And I love that Et example. I

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remember when I was a kid. You even note the

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fact that Et glows as maybe an element of him

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being more of a familiar. And I remember when I

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was young, I was like, why does this thing glow?

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Speaker 5: It just doesn't look right.

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Speaker 4: Thought it was awkward, But it makes the point that

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maybe it isn't. Maybe it's a spiritual entity rather than

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something from space.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think that the planetary connections that we

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see in the film also suggest planetary deities, right, and

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this is kind of how the Key of Solomon and

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our ancient mythology would have viewed et and the gods

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quote unquote.

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Speaker 4: I also like the thing that you point out that

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the government agents arrive in NASA's space suits in the movie,

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and that is so weird. Why would you be in

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a space suit anywhere but space? But it is, it's

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I've always thought that was odd. And so how

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do we read this, how do we make sense of this? Well,

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once we have a broader perspective of things like Kubrick

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and we realized that Kubrick was working with NASA, which

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I touch on in the book, and you know, if

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we've seen the work from say Jay Wiedener on Kubrick

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and the moon landings and that theory, I think that

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especially given the fact that Spielberg took over Kubrick's script ai,

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you know, and changed it to aliens and stuff like this,

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which I don't think Kubrick was had in the original story,

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there's some nods and crossovers between Spielberg to Kubrick, and

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I've always just wondered if that wasn't some kind of

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nod or or hint that the moon landings and Apollo

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and all this kind of stuff is not what we

475
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are told.

476
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: When we look at other nods.

477
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 6: And instances in films that I touch on in the book,

478
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,000
like Diamonds Are Forever. Well, there's a scene where, you know,

479
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:12,880
James Bond runs onto a movie set where they're filming

480
00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:14,200
the Moonlighting.

481
00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, man. And you also even note

482
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:24,039
the similarities and titles between ET and that Kubrick Spielberg

483
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,079
collaboration of AI, and you say that it could be

484
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,039
a mystigogical code for the origins of advanced artificial technology

485
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:37,359
as channeled from inter dimensional alien gods. Great sentence, and

486
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:39,839
I love that idea. I've been hearing it more and

487
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,440
more that technology comes from connections to entities like Prometheus

488
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,880
bringing as fire. Is that your impression of where a

489
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,720
lot of technology comes from some type of occult workings.

490
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 6: I do think that that's possible, and that's I believe that,

491
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,480
not just because of you know, some kind of weird

492
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,519
thesis or something I dreamed up, but actually, when you

493
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:03,759
go into the history of philosophers or sort of pioneers

494
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,440
of modern technology, you can look at characters like Descartes.

495
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:12,440
You can look at somebody like John d was of

496
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,440
course interested in alchemy and things like that too, BUTNZ GW. Leibniz,

497
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,839
the famous continental philosopher who's the co founder of calculus

498
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:27,119
with Newton. Leibniz was very interested in alchemy and the

499
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:31,480
esoteric and metaphysics and things like this, and Platonism, and

500
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,079
he is one of the formative figures kind of dreaming

501
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,079
up the possibility of a computer or a logic machine.

502
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:44,359
So there's always been in you know, Jewish mysticism, the

503
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,279
idea of the golumn, which is the creation of a

504
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,440
robot being or a synthetic human.

505
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,279
Speaker 7: And so.

506
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,319
Speaker 6: I think we have nascent in the mythology a lot

507
00:28:56,359 --> 00:29:00,839
of the hints and primeval. I mean, you could almost

508
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,119
argue that's kind of predictive programming, like ancient mythology, right,

509
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:08,519
is almost a kind of primeval predictive programming for what

510
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,519
is possible with technology and alchemy. So I know that's

511
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:17,240
kind of that might be debatable, and people might howl

512
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:19,759
at that and think that I'm crazy, But I mean, yeah,

513
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:23,000
maybe it was just his own clever insight. But how

514
00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:26,359
was Leibniz streaming up the possibility of a computer you know,

515
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,480
back in the fifteen hundreds, how did you know Da

516
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:34,240
Vinci was like sketching out helicopters and stuff.

517
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 4: I mean, right, where do our ideas come from? We

518
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,039
don't really know.

519
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: We don't know. That's what I'm trying to say.

520
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 6: And that's what I was getting at earlier about you know,

521
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,880
the psyche and splitting of the psyche and all that,

522
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,640
is that I hold that out as a very likely thesis,

523
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,519
much more likely than the Darwinian reductionist thesis, because you know,

524
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,680
we don't even know what the source of our stream

525
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,400
of consciousness thought processes. So how are we going to

526
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,039
make these sort of definitive claims about, Oh, it's absolutely

527
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:07,200
impossible that there's a spiritual unalm or you know, that

528
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,759
we could receive the impressions of ideas or creativity from

529
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,160
those kinds of sources.

530
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,599
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, the idea of the muse goes back

531
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,000
as far as artists.

532
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:19,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

533
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,839
Speaker 4: So it's interesting, man. And to talk about AI a

534
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,079
little bit more. It came out in two thousand and one,

535
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,200
probably for specific reasons, but do you see its messages

536
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,599
and themes becoming any more poignant in the decade plus

537
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,839
since the film was made.

538
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

539
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:39,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's kind of why I chose that one just

540
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,079
to be in the books, and there was.

541
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: Probably ninety two one hundred film analysis.

542
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 6: I had to leave out that maybe they'll make up

543
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,759
you know, part two or three or something, But that

544
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:52,480
one I.

545
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: Chose because it fit with the theme.

546
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 6: That I was looking at from Spielberg, you know, transhumanism

547
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,720
and synthetic future and all this kind of stuff, synthetic

548
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:05,720
dystopia basically, And so I argue that AI is a

549
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:10,839
kind of transhumanist fairy tale, that what he's done is

550
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:16,119
taking the Pinocchio myth and reformulated it for modernity.

551
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: And again this was taken from Kuberg.

552
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,079
Speaker 6: This was actually a Kuberg screenplay that Spielberg took over

553
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:25,400
an altered and of course added in aliens. Anything with

554
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,920
Spielberg's gonna have aliens in there. But it functions, I believe,

555
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,440
on multiple levels. So it's not just about the possibilities

556
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:38,240
of AI. It's also in a nefarious sense. If you

557
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,680
notice the David character, the AI character, he's always he's

558
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,680
portrayed as this sort of Edenic innocent I mean, he

559
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:49,839
is the future of quote humanity, but he's humanity two

560
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:54,319
point zero. We make him in our image right as

561
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,880
kind of new gods or new creators. And I'm sure

562
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,720
everybody's seen the film, so you're aware of the fact

563
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:02,640
that humanity dies out right. And the film begins with

564
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,079
this sort of eugenics Green Agenda twenty one type message

565
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:11,920
of the earth has been flooded from global polarizes, caps

566
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,079
melting or something nonsense like this, and you know, there's

567
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,079
only these these kind of sparse human communities, and the

568
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:23,960
bots are persecuted, and so Spielberg has the bots put

569
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,960
into a lot of these Holocaust type scenarios and narratives

570
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,480
where they're being trucked off in carts and you know,

571
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,680
they're taken to the flesh fare, which is this Dante's

572
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,559
Inferno style torture scenario. And so what I'm getting at

573
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:41,839
here is that they're treated as the new.

574
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: Civil rights victims.

575
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:49,759
Speaker 6: Now, twenty thirty years ago, nobody would have believed possible.

576
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,920
Everybody would have laughed if you had said, we are

577
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:56,920
entering the phase in the near future where bots and

578
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,799
cyborgs and transhumanism and people who get you know, body

579
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,039
mod and all this kind of stuff that's actually going

580
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:07,319
to be a new civil rights slash human rights or

581
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,480
cyborg right. Right, that is now being discussed. Right, this

582
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:13,519
is where we're going. That is going to be what

583
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:18,960
we talk about in the next decade twenty years, there

584
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,640
will be I'm not joking. This is the So we

585
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,319
went from racial civil rights to gay rights, and then

586
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:28,480
the next quote civil right is going to be related

587
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,839
to transhumanism and maybe I'm forgetting it, like bcality or

588
00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:35,119
something like that's going to the bcality and pedophilia that

589
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,079
will be discussed as a quote right, And make no

590
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,200
mistake about it, You've heard it here on Higher Side chats.

591
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:45,759
Transhumanism and cyborg modification will be the next right. And

592
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,359
all of that I think is being predicted and projected

593
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,240
and displayed in AI and also in you know Redley

594
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,519
Scot's Blade Runner, which is another chapter in the book.

595
00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:00,599
Speaker 4: And there's also quite a bit of Cabbalistic influence in

596
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:01,319
AI too.

597
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,079
Speaker 6: Right, Absolutely, this whole idea of word magic, and this

598
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:08,880
is something that I did touch on too. I forgot

599
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:14,039
to mention themes in Spielberg. You mentioned themes well, Language

600
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:19,480
and meaning and interpersonal communication is a huge aspect of Spielberg.

601
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,480
That's why if you remember in close encounters. The aliens

602
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,440
don't know how to communicate with us, so they have

603
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:30,599
to eventually use sound, and you know, they decode the sound, dude,

604
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,880
that becomes the form of language. But the Lacombe character,

605
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,920
who's played by fran Squas Trufeau, the famous French director,

606
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,480
is based on Jacques Belie, and he decodes this message.

607
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,840
The way that he decodes is that he hears a

608
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,400
bunch of Hindus singing the sort of chant. And if

609
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,159
you study how Hindus view their chants, they actually view

610
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,679
it as a ritual invocation. And so when you hit

611
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,239
certain frequencies, they believe through sound your action harmonizing with

612
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,079
the wavelength where those gods reside. So what's weird is

613
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:11,079
that the chant that they're actually putting out is a

614
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,119
ya a a ya, which is very close to the

615
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:15,800
tetragrammaton or yahweh.

616
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 3: Right. And of course Spielberg, being.

617
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 6: Jewish and being aware and I would say obviously familiar

618
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,559
with Cabbalism, I think that's where he's coming from.

619
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: That's the vanished point he's coming from.

620
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 6: And so that's where you get to the the arguments

621
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,880
that I make about things like using a period I

622
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:39,199
period and then using E period t period. Right, these

623
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,719
are done on purpose because letters are symbols, and they

624
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,760
also have a lot of different meanings in Gamatria, or

625
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:49,079
they can stand for different things in different schools of Cabbalism.

626
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,639
Speaker 3: So where were we forgot? Where were we talking about

627
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:57,400
calm in Ai? Oh oh in Ai?

628
00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:02,119
Speaker 6: Well, so, so there's word magic in Ai when his mom,

629
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:09,320
David's mom says these magic words that give him consciousness. Now,

630
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,679
I think that there's a lot of different things you

631
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,760
might could read from that.

632
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,559
Speaker 3: I would tend to stick it in the.

633
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 6: Gobbalistic narrative of because this is the idea of the Gollum, right,

634
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,639
and this is Jewish mysticism, the idea of that you

635
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:24,079
could use different Hebrew sounds and words and symbols to

636
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,480
in a way be a theorist or be a creator

637
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:31,440
and cause life quote unquote to be right.

638
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:35,199
Speaker 4: She also touches buttons on his chakra points too, doesn't she.

639
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,559
Speaker 6: Yes, that's a great point. She touches the back of

640
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,400
his neck. I think if I recall and then says

641
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,000
the magic words, and he supposedly is quote conscious, So

642
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,199
now I don't believe that that actually we Willever create

643
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,719
a conscious being like that, I think that will always

644
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,039
be synthetic. It will always be in some way a

645
00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:58,800
kind of program. Anything that you program, it's only going

646
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,280
to do what is programmed to do my view. So,

647
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,639
but I do think that you know, AI, transhumanism, all

648
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,920
this stuff is developing to the extent that people will

649
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,639
believe that it's conscious and that it's alive, and that

650
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:15,920
that's how they will sell it as a new civil right,

651
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,800
and then old humanity, old man will be declared obsolete,

652
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:25,159
and you know, as they promote the new man the bought.

653
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I think this is so interesting, especially this

654
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,480
idea of sci fi movies like ET and Close Encounters

655
00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:35,920
and War of the Worlds, this idea that they have

656
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:40,039
cemented a lot of our thoughts about space and aliens

657
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:43,440
in culture, even more so than real science has. And

658
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:46,239
maybe it is to get us to accept demons as

659
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,119
cool via the alien skin. But I've also had some

660
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:53,199
guests who are pretty far out there and in the

661
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,559
flat earth territory, and they would say that Hollywood and

662
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:59,800
NASA CGI is where we get our ideas of outer space,

663
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:03,000
when really we're stuck in a snow globe and I

664
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,400
don't think you're a flat earther. But if space is

665
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:09,360
largely like it's depicted in films, are there other aspects

666
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,639
that are being manipulated? Is it just the alien demon

667
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,480
thing or do you think there's more to that sliver

668
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:16,119
of the pie.

669
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,599
Speaker 6: I don't believe that we really know what is out there.

670
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:24,880
I think that there's a lot of different theories. And

671
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,599
just like with the psyche, you know, people try to

672
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:32,239
have these definitive declarations and pronouncements about what exists and

673
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,239
what's possible and what's not possible, and they really don't know.

674
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:39,000
And I think that's a big part of the system,

675
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:43,559
is giving the impression that they do know a kind

676
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:47,760
of confidence game yeah when they don't. Now, I mean, yeah,

677
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,519
a lot of things we do know in terms of science,

678
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,519
but I believe that real science and real advancement in

679
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:58,559
those regions those areas comes about in things like technology

680
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:00,480
and engineering, computer science.

681
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: All that stuffs real.

682
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 6: NASA is a pr front under the aegis of the

683
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:11,679
Air Force, So their number one job, that is the military,

684
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,559
is lying.

685
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: To the public. That's what psyops is.

686
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 6: So you can't believe any of these declarations from NASA

687
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,199
and just look at the fact that NASA, on the

688
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:24,199
one hand promotes aliens and then turns around and tries

689
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,079
to present itself as this totally scientific organization.

690
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:30,199
Speaker 3: But it's not. It's a pr front. It's sentimately tied

691
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,440
with Hollywood. That's why.

692
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 6: Really Scott was talking about how his movie Mars was

693
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,360
released in tandem with NASA's supposed Mars discoveries. You know,

694
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,000
when that last Matt Damon movie came out whenever, that

695
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:47,760
was like a few months ago. James Cameron sits on

696
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:53,639
the board of NASA directors. Why is this Hollywood director

697
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,880
sitting I mean, I think that's all suggestive of deception.

698
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,159
I don't believe in the flat Earth because of the

699
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:01,760
fact that you you can fly from Santiago to Sydney

700
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:05,719
in eight or ten hours or so something like that,

701
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:08,760
which is impossible on that goofy fletter map.

702
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 3: I don't think that.

703
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 6: I mean, the entire military and GPS and logistics would

704
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:16,239
all be off, everything would be working all fucked up

705
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,599
if the Earth were flat. My dad was in the Navy,

706
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,360
he sailed around the globe. So I think that's a

707
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,800
whole bunch of syops and ridiculous deception. In my view,

708
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,079
I'm fine with people questioning things. I would tend to

709
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,679
think that there's a good case to be made for geocentrism.

710
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,679
I think you could argue that one. But no, I

711
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,360
don't believe that we live on a pizza crest.

712
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:39,079
Speaker 3: Yeah.

713
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just interesting because if Hollywood's big aim

714
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:45,360
is to kind of control the way we think or

715
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:51,119
to make us feel confident about what's beyond our atmosphere, yeah,

716
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,719
I just wonder if it's different in any way than

717
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,559
what's depicted in the movies. I mean, we might never know.

718
00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:59,039
Speaker 6: Well, I do believe, I do believe that. I do

719
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,159
believe it's different than what we're told in movies. But

720
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:08,119
I think that Hollywood had its main goal or role

721
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:11,719
in this regard in terms of promoting things like Darwinism.

722
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,480
And you say, well, there's not that many movies that

723
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:19,159
promote Darwinism. Actually all science fiction movies do, almost all

724
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:21,119
of them across the board. Two thousand and one Space

725
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,719
Odyssey is a gospel of Darwinism. So I'm very critical

726
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,440
of that in the book. And I don't approach Darwinism

727
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,239
as most people do just from like a list of

728
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,920
arguments that they run online or something.

729
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,599
Speaker 3: I approach it as a philosopher.

730
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 6: That was my you know, grad training was in analytical philosophy.

731
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,039
So I philosophically critique Darwinism in the book, and I

732
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:47,719
try to argue that, you know, when you look back

733
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,920
to figures like H. G. Wells, who was this committed

734
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:56,159
Masonic socialist, a Marxist, committed why is he the guy

735
00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:59,880
who's promoting you know, the new global revolution through science

736
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,519
through evolution. I mean these people are committed liars, Yeah, openly.

737
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,840
So I think that's suggestive. I mean nobody. I think

738
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,599
you could argue that nobody else has had the impact

739
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:14,360
on science fiction and science fiction films by extension to

740
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,239
the degree that AHG.

741
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 4: Wells has, Right, I'd agree with that. And I don't

742
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,440
know if you've seen Stranger Things on Netflix.

743
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,639
Speaker 3: But yes, I did a lengthy analysis of it. Yeah.

744
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:24,199
Speaker 5: Oh nice.

745
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:27,639
Speaker 4: Well, what's kind of interesting about that in this context

746
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:30,840
is it invokes all those eighties sci fi movies like

747
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,559
et in Close Encounters, but yet it's very clearly about

748
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:38,480
this being this entity brought through a portal via mk

749
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:39,360
ultra torture.

750
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 5: So that's kind of interesting.

751
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, if anybody's interested they can go to

752
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,159
Jay's analysis. And I think there's an audio thing that

753
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:51,960
I did and pretty popular written piece that I did

754
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,239
that I don't know. I got about twenty or thirty

755
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,159
thousand views on that, so it did really well.

756
00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:57,079
Speaker 3: It's worth checking out.

757
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, And what I argue is that it's it combines cobblism,

758
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:05,599
and it combines the idea of other dimensions portals all that.

759
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:06,559
Speaker 3: So it's kind of obvious.

760
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 6: But what I found fascinating to begin with was that

761
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,840
what sparked this in part was a lot of people

762
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,880
in Hollywood wanting to play Dungeons and Dragons Believing or Rock.

763
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,599
There was an article that came out in oh, I

764
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:24,239
don't know, MTV or Din of Geek or one of

765
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,519
those pop culture sites that was talking about how The

766
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:30,880
Rock plays D and D weird.

767
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:32,519
Speaker 3: So you were talking.

768
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,119
Speaker 6: About The Rock earlier, and I'm not making too much

769
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,920
out of that, but you wonder, you know, like we

770
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,199
were talking about with actors.

771
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 3: Now.

772
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 6: I understand that D and D is a game. I

773
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:43,159
used to play D and D when I was in

774
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:45,480
high school. I know all about how it works and

775
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:49,079
all that. But isn't it interesting that, as you were

776
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:51,480
saying earlier with the idea of bringing down the gods

777
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:54,960
or something like what could it also be something where

778
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,480
people believe that they are, you know, really tapping into something. Yeah,

779
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:03,920
and that's the thesis of you know, stranger Things, is

780
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,760
that they sort of unconsciously tap into this portal, this

781
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,360
realm through.

782
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 3: The D and D game.

783
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:10,159
Speaker 4: Yeah.

784
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 6: Now, I don't I'm not approaching this like a fundamentalist

785
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,239
in saying that, oh, if you play D and D

786
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,440
You're going to like open up the gate to Hell

787
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:19,519
and anything like that. But it does pose that interesting

788
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,800
question of can we meddle with and tap into forces

789
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,480
that are, be honest, that we don't understand.

790
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's interesting. So what about let's another movie.

791
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,159
Let's talk about the Goonies another Spielberg movie. Seems pretty

792
00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:34,480
simple and innocent enough on the surface, but there is

793
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:35,599
more when you dig deeper.

794
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, I didn't make Goonies.

795
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:42,079
Speaker 6: Didn't make it end of the book, but I wrote

796
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:43,679
an analysis of it about a month ago.

797
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 3: And it was just one that I'd.

798
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 6: Always been, you know, intending to get to, and I

799
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,880
never really got to it until I.

800
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 3: Was reading Chris Springmyer's book.

801
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:56,599
Speaker 6: I read it like ten years ago and kind of

802
00:44:56,639 --> 00:44:58,440
forgot about it, and I got that back out and

803
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,119
I was looking at that, and his chapter on the

804
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:05,079
Asters made me think, now, wait a minute, Goonies is

805
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:10,239
about Astoria. So I read Oli Fritz's chapter, which was

806
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:15,639
fairly well sourced, and then watched Goonies again, and I

807
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,559
lo and behold, noticed the whole bunch of things I'd

808
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:21,079
never ever noticed before, the first of which would be

809
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,159
that when you look into the actual documented history of

810
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,920
John Jacob Astor and the Astor family, all of that

811
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,079
stuff is true. He was a high level Freemason grandmaster

812
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:35,679
of a New York lodge. I believe he took his

813
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,480
occultism seriously. But he was also a high level drug trader,

814
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:44,960
so that's all true. So the stories of him going

815
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,320
from the fur trade to the drug trade through shipping,

816
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:52,320
that's all true. And you can find the public documentation

817
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,960
of all that, right damn, which I linked him in

818
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:55,559
my article.

819
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: So that was interesting.

820
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 6: So I wasn't sure how to read that in a

821
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,599
line of gooney, But then when I rewatched it, you

822
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,519
notice that the Goonies are kind of going on this

823
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:10,039
sort of national Treasure Nick Cage type journey to decode

824
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,840
the Masonic history of their city, of that story, and

825
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,199
that's what they do, and they discover, oh, actually we're

826
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,159
founded by a bunch of scally wagged pirates. Now so

827
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:24,880
how is that relevant? Well, as we know from you know,

828
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,599
people like Jordan Maxwell, I mean that the Jolly Roger

829
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:30,079
flag is the flag of skull and Bones because it's

830
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:33,159
the flag of we're not bound by any of your laws.

831
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:37,800
We're transnational. So when sculling Bones and the Oss and

832
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:43,079
these people took over that Jolly Roger symbol, they were saying,

833
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,079
we are internationalists. We will run this drug trade outside

834
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:48,039
of your national laws. We're not bound by any of

835
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:52,920
your stupid rules. We are the true elite outsiders. And

836
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,880
so what's funny and ironic about goonies is that the

837
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,599
goonies are going to have their houses all were closed

838
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:03,960
on and was a country club is going to be

839
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,920
built golf course, right, and so they're the outsiders who

840
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,920
actually discover the jewels and then you know they're able

841
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,960
to save the family and all that kind of stuff.

842
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,199
So the irin is just ironic that they are the

843
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:23,760
alienated outsider youth that identify with the pirates when they

844
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,239
decode the big Masonic myth of astoria. They find the

845
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:33,039
treasure and they're able to you know, presumably they're wealthy,

846
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:35,360
I guess, because they you know, he still ends up

847
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,639
with jewels, like a bag of them, if you remember

848
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:42,880
at the end. So anyway, I just I saw all

849
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,360
that weirdness going on. That's how I read it. And

850
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,960
there's also some weird kind of phallic references in goonies,

851
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,199
which I'm not sure what to make of, but you know, yeah,

852
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,559
when we think about that in light of what Corey

853
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:58,320
Feldman said, you know, I don't.

854
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:00,519
Speaker 5: Know absolutely.

855
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,119
Speaker 4: The I was something I was going to ask you

856
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:09,079
about later on. It was Pizzagate kind of because child

857
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:13,559
pedophilia in Hollywood has been a theme in a conspiracy

858
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,079
for a long time, not only claims of passing around

859
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:21,039
child actors, but also having underage kids play prostitutes.

860
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,159
Speaker 5: And stuff like that.

861
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:25,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, the political and Hollywood a leader very interrelated. I'm curious,

862
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:28,320
what are your thoughts on the Pizzagate scandal or Hollywood's

863
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:29,559
role in the abuse of children.

864
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I did three or four audios on

865
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,320
pizza Gate. So if anybody wants to like a fuller breakdown,

866
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,639
they can check those out, but sure. But yeah, I

867
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:44,079
mean I think that it was pretty clear that there

868
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:47,800
was some kind of black market operation going on that

869
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:51,760
dealt with perhaps at least gay prostitutes or something like that.

870
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,679
I mean, that's very popular in the DC scene, and

871
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,199
that would also be connected to things like cocaine and

872
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,679
drug use and all that and code words and all that.

873
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,320
So I know that I know all the arguments and

874
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,960
everything about you know, what all of the code words

875
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,239
mean and all this kind of stuff, but I don't

876
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,159
know if there's definitive proof. And you know, that could

877
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,760
have been intentional. They could have put something out that

878
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:22,119
wasn't definitively proven. But what you can prove is, you know,

879
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,719
Laura Silsby to get in trouble for going to Haiti

880
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,400
and trying to bring a bunch of kids.

881
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 3: Out of Haiti. You can prove that. And yeah, you

882
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,920
can prove that she was connected to the Clinton Foundation.

883
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 6: You can show that John Podesta made a lot of

884
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:40,320
weird statements and you know, what does it mean when

885
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,719
they're talking about a hot tub and.

886
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, pizza a hot tub.

887
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:50,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's hard to say exactly what definitively what

888
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:53,559
it is, and you know, was that a plan to

889
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:57,039
sign off the alternative media? I don't know, But ultimately

890
00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:00,960
we don't need quote pizza Gate. You know that this

891
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:04,000
kind of stuff is true because there's like a dozen

892
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:08,000
other cases of the exact same thing, Right, So I'm

893
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,679
not saying, by admitting that I don't know exactly what

894
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,079
the situation Pete is, that that's not true. I'm just

895
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:16,239
saying that I wouldn't be surprised because there's so many

896
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,519
other cases. We've got Savile, You've got the du trou

897
00:50:18,519 --> 00:50:22,159
affair in Belgium, You've got Franklin cover up, Craig Spence,

898
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,079
you know, Johnny Gosh, the White House. You know, there's

899
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:28,039
like and there's a whole slew of other books that

900
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,239
you could find about this kind of stuff, the pedophilia

901
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,760
and the Catholic Church. William Kennedy's book, Listener's Lodge, Malchai

902
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:34,960
Martin's books have talked about it.

903
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,679
Speaker 3: I mean, there's this book after book after book that

904
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,000
have already dealt with.

905
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,519
Speaker 4: This matter, right, And I agree with you that you

906
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:44,840
don't need Pizzagate. It's just kind of one example of

907
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,320
a theme that seems to be there for sure, and

908
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:50,239
a lot of times you can get a better beat

909
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,920
on things by looking at the aftermath. And it wasn't

910
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,599
really until that shooter went into comment Pizza where I

911
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,119
was like, oh, okay, so you put out a lot

912
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:01,559
of smoke that's unprovable. You then put do a false

913
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:03,559
flag where a guy goes in with a gun, and

914
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:06,159
then you say, Okay, we got to crack down on

915
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:09,719
these alternative news sites because conspiracy is dangerous.

916
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:10,039
Speaker 1: Now.

917
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 4: It's not just goofy and wrong, it's actually dangerous to

918
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:18,000
even discuss stuff that doesn't come from CNN, MSNBC. So

919
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:21,480
I totally see that being a possibility for the agenda there.

920
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I'm just and I totally agree, like as

921
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,440
a thesis, you know what I mean, Like I could

922
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:28,320
see that thesis.

923
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:31,119
Speaker 3: I could also see the thesis that this was.

924
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:34,599
Speaker 6: A real operation going on, you know, with all the

925
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:38,760
worst stuff imaginable. Yeah, but I just don't personally know.

926
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:41,360
But what we do know is that, you know, there's

927
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:45,639
court cases involving Epstein and his island and all the

928
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:51,719
Clinton trips on the Epstein pedophile plan and Little Saint James.

929
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 3: I mean that's known of course. Man.

930
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 4: So we've talked about this idea that themes in film

931
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,119
can give us an idea of what might be I

932
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:05,360
mean even a decade beforehand. Sometimes, are there any newer

933
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,280
film trends you see coming that concern you.

934
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's see, I was trying to think of what

935
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:18,400
sci fi type things I've seen recently that that hinted

936
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,400
at that kind of stuff, because yeah, like I said,

937
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,639
I think when you look back to something like AI

938
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:29,320
or Minority Report, you know, like in Minority Report you're

939
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:34,280
seeing targeted advertising and you know, retinal scanning, all that

940
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,000
kind of stuff that was new to you know, two

941
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,239
thousand and one or two. All that kind of stuff

942
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:46,360
we're seeing more prevalent now, right. And so in AI

943
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,519
you see sex bots. This is all in the news

944
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:51,119
now right. They're they're rolling out in the sex bots.

945
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:53,840
This was in the Enemy of the State, it was

946
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,760
an AI, it was in Blade Runner. Some of the

947
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,239
replicants are sex bots. So I'm trying to think of

948
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,960
recent sci fi movies that I've seen that might have

949
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,480
new aspects of predictive programming.

950
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,159
Speaker 3: But off the top of my head, actually I can't

951
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:08,519
right now.

952
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,159
Speaker 4: Well, there's you know, the two New Star Wars movies.

953
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,599
I guess we already talked about Arrival. I haven't seen

954
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,039
all that many sci fi movies in the past year

955
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:17,639
or two either.

956
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think as I said, like Arrival and

957
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:24,559
Star Trek, and I mean these kind of just have

958
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:29,559
the more globalist minded propaganda of you know, anyone that's

959
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:33,199
opposing And if you can, we mentioned Rand Corporation earlier.

960
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,199
Rand Corporation had a direct connection to Star Trek. They

961
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,440
were into some of the Rank Corporation people were involved

962
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,079
in brainstorming ideas and based on stuff that was in

963
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:44,559
Star Trek. You can find you can find papers on

964
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:46,480
that at the Rank Corporation. So I'm not making that up.

965
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,760
And what's the whole idea of Star Trek is what, Well,

966
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,719
we've got to have a federation that can rule all

967
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,519
these unruly, you know, independent existing people groups, all right.

968
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,760
I mean that's just globalism one on one. And Geene

969
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,960
rodd Berry would actually talk about that openly. He would say,

970
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,480
you know, I'm all for a little government. We got

971
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:04,960
to have a new world order. This is the only

972
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,119
way to do things. And you know, though, the way

973
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:09,679
we do this is to get rid of all these

974
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,880
people thinking that there's a god and that they have

975
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,360
their own traditions and that's all just got to be

976
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,719
wiped away and we'll have.

977
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:19,079
Speaker 3: You know, the Halo Deck.

978
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 6: Well, there you go, So Holodeck and VR that's what's coming.

979
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm just trying to think of other movies.

980
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:31,599
I saw X Men Apocalypse.

981
00:54:31,639 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 4: I thought that was pretty interesting, just because the Apocalypse

982
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,079
character talks about being something ancient. Like there's a character

983
00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:43,960
who asks who are you, and he's like, Elohim raw.

984
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:47,039
I've been called many names over many lifetimes. I am

985
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:49,519
born of death. I was there to spark and fan

986
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:53,599
the flame of man's awakening, to spin the wheel of civilization.

987
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,599
And when the forest would grow rank and needed clearing

988
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:57,760
for new growth.

989
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 5: I was there to set it ablaze.

990
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,679
Speaker 4: And I think that's a pretty awesome dialogue.

991
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 5: But it's also pretty interesting.

992
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:06,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

993
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,039
Speaker 6: Actually, yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that because I have

994
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:14,599
written on Avengers and the Marvel stuff, and X Men

995
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:15,039
is on.

996
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 3: My list to get to.

997
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 6: Actually, but if you go and read my my takes

998
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,440
on Captain America and Avengers and all that, I think

999
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,920
there's three or four articles I've done on those. It

1000
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,639
would be kind of the same themes. Because you've got

1001
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,960
like if you saw X Men first Class, that was

1002
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,159
crazy because they're like working with the CIA. They are

1003
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:35,960
a CIA project, which is just mind blowing. So all

1004
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,000
that's revealed, and I do think there's true to this,

1005
00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:40,679
you know, the whole super Soldier idea. And I have

1006
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,159
Chris Knowles's book. It's pretty good, so I'm glad you

1007
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:48,280
referenced him. But I just haven't seen Apocalypse yet. But

1008
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,000
I didn't know what to I was lost actually in

1009
00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:53,400
the last X Men, the one before that, that where

1010
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,679
they went back to back in time, and yeah, like

1011
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,880
JFK Era and what is going on here?

1012
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 3: Interacting with Nixon and JFK.

1013
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 6: In alternate timelines, and it just kind of lost me

1014
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,280
in the confusion, and I didn't think it was that great,

1015
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,920
but there is. You're absolutely right to point out X

1016
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,800
Men and Marvel and all that.

1017
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,159
Speaker 3: Because they're just rife with everything.

1018
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 6: All I can say is just check out my nalysis

1019
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,800
on those movies at Jason Alysis.

1020
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:26,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there were a lot of bombs when it

1021
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:29,199
comes to sci fi. In the last year. There was

1022
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:33,800
the remake of, I mean, the sequel of Independence Day.

1023
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,599
There was that movie that I thought looked interesting, Gods

1024
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:40,440
of Egypt that was apparently terrible. So the only one

1025
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,400
I've heard that was good that I haven't seen is

1026
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,239
the fifth Wave. I've heard that has some pretty interesting

1027
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,599
stuff in it because the first four waves are like,

1028
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,679
first they create, you know, if there's an alien invasion

1029
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:54,159
and there's five waves of it. The first wave is

1030
00:56:54,239 --> 00:57:00,039
create darkness, then widespread destruction, then infection, then invasion, and

1031
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,639
then the fifth wave is actually, once the planet is

1032
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:05,559
in its weekend state, then you swoop in and just

1033
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:07,360
take it interesting.

1034
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:07,559
Speaker 3: You know.

1035
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 6: Actually I did see that movie advertise, but I didn't

1036
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,599
actually watch it, And the reason for that is that

1037
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,239
what I'm having to do right now is prep for

1038
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:20,880
the TV show that Jay Weener and I are going

1039
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,920
to do, and we're working on the first season, and

1040
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,760
it's going to be thirteen or fourteen episodes of first

1041
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,199
Ridley Scott, then David Lynch Movies in Spielberg, then Kubrick,

1042
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,320
then The Matrix and The X Files, Christopher Nolan movies,

1043
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:40,079
James Cameron, Roland, Plansky, Bond, Twin Peaks, True Detective, Godfather,

1044
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:43,440
DaVinci Code, and then we're going to do an episode

1045
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,920
called Gnostic Cinema, which is snow Piercer, Westworld, and Dark City.

1046
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:51,159
So what I'm having to do right now is and

1047
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,480
this I just got this information a couple days ago,

1048
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:56,679
so I don't even have the time really to like

1049
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,719
watch the fun movies i'd want to.

1050
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,519
Speaker 3: I have to sit and rewatch.

1051
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 6: All of these over and over and kind of plot

1052
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,440
out what we want to do with each one of

1053
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,840
these episodes and where we want to take it. So

1054
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,760
so that's what I've been working on, and our show

1055
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,920
will be I think in running in April on guy

1056
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,360
a TV.

1057
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 3: Very cool.

1058
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:16,599
Speaker 5: That's exciting.

1059
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 4: Well, right on, man, It's always great to talk to you.

1060
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:23,639
Speaker 5: I enjoyed it last time. This has been a blast too.

1061
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,559
Speaker 4: I like a guy who knows a shit, and you are.

1062
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 5: One of those guys.

1063
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,039
Speaker 3: Thanks Greg, you got it.

1064
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 4: And before we close the books, let the good people

1065
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:35,199
know where they can further scratch the Jay DIYer itch

1066
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,440
if they do want some more.

1067
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can go to jasonalysis dot com No Apostrophe,

1068
00:58:41,159 --> 00:58:44,639
and I think I have there's over a thousand posts there.

1069
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,519
I've got over six or seven hundred articles. I've written

1070
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:51,239
one hundred and twenty or thirty movie reviews, and you

1071
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,440
can find all that information there else to do a podcast.

1072
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,199
For the last year that's gotten pretty pretty good traction.

1073
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,440
Now you can find all the free hours and then

1074
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:00,920
if you want to hear the full lecture talks interviews.

1075
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,079
I also do lectures on things like tragedy and hope

1076
00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:07,880
or Plato's Republic. You can subscribe to Jaysonalysis for four

1077
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,800
ninety five a month or sixty dollars a year. And

1078
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,480
if you want the book Esoteric Hollywood Sex Cults and

1079
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,519
Symbols and Film, you can. There's a PayPal button there,

1080
00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:18,840
and I do outside the US and inside the US,

1081
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,480
and they are all signed copies. So I've got twenty

1082
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,119
five star ratings on Amazon so far. The book's only

1083
00:59:26,119 --> 00:59:28,719
been out a month and it hit number one in

1084
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,159
Amazon's Film in Hollywood category, so boom.

1085
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:35,599
Speaker 4: And it is always best to get the books directly

1086
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,440
from the author if you can, to cut out that

1087
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,920
you know, monolithic Amazon middleman, right.

1088
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 3: Exactly, Yes, thank you.

1089
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,159
Speaker 6: It does help me out a lot of you if

1090
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,480
you'll are a direct from me, and I ship those

1091
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,119
out every day so it doesn't take that.

1092
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:50,079
Speaker 5: Long, right on.

1093
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,039
Speaker 4: Well, awesome man, always a pleasure, I guess that brings

1094
00:59:54,119 --> 00:59:54,519
us to the end.

1095
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 3: Of the show.

1096
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,039
Speaker 5: Take care of yourself out there all right?

1097
00:59:57,039 --> 00:59:59,719
Speaker 3: Thank you, Greg, you got it all right.

1098
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,519
Speaker 5: Fun stuff.

1099
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 4: I really do like the Hollywood Breakdown guests because I've

1100
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,320
grown up being such a media junkie, and even though

1101
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,440
we all know it's a very persuasive tool, I think

1102
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,079
there are always new elements to discover, and I really

1103
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:16,719
think Jay is one of the best guys focusing on

1104
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:17,320
this area.

1105
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 5: I like Mark.

1106
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 4: Devlin for music and Jay Dyer for movies, and I

1107
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,360
thought a lot of great stuff was covered today. Probably

1108
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,960
most memorable for me is that idea of ET being

1109
01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:32,440
about a conjured up spirit entity more than a space alien.

1110
01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:36,159
It sort of strengthens the narrative of a concerted effort

1111
01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:39,920
to put certain ideas into the culture about reality outside

1112
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,800
of our immediate environment and beings beyond it, an effort

1113
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,519
to depict magic, ritual and entities and paint it with

1114
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:51,719
the brush of science, space and aliens. It's a curious

1115
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,800
case to make because you have to ask the why

1116
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,960
why would this be an agenda in Hollywood with cooperation

1117
01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:03,519
from NASA and military intelligence and also a flooding of

1118
01:01:03,559 --> 01:01:06,599
the alternative world with a bunch of space alien pushers too,

1119
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:08,000
if you think that's a part of it.

1120
01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:08,719
Speaker 5: Some do.

1121
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 4: It's very strange. Some would say it's because the elite

1122
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,679
were laying a base, because they planned a stage of

1123
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:20,079
false flag alien invasion in the future. First you fight

1124
01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:23,760
nations like the Two World Wars, then you fight ideas

1125
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,360
like terrorism, and then you fight a completely fabricated enemy

1126
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:34,400
that you completely control with one hundred percent autonomy. Maybe

1127
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:37,559
people do say that, but I always found it to

1128
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:40,400
be a bit far fetched. Now, if you're a flat

1129
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,719
earther or you already know why the directors are doing this. Obviously,

1130
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:48,320
they're crafting the space concept for the collective consciousness, projecting

1131
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,920
the futile possibility that we can actually rise beyond the

1132
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:56,159
dome that encapsulates this island Earth, a full spectrum deception

1133
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:02,159
of the highest order, the lie of life. Maybe I'm

1134
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:05,000
also not a flat Earth guy, but I will meet

1135
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:06,800
you in the middle and say that I love the

1136
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,000
prison planet concept about as much as the hollow Earth,

1137
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:13,519
and you could fit this stuff in that box. Or

1138
01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:16,159
it might be as simple as trying to expose the

1139
01:02:16,199 --> 01:02:20,280
masses to occult entities and esoteric rituals and their cabbalistic

1140
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:25,039
belief system on the DL to Trojan Horse, the masses

1141
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:28,519
into the occult could be, but the lens of space

1142
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:33,440
and aliens does seem suspiciously significant, doesn't it. Maybe we'll

1143
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,320
never know exactly what motivates that machine, but I think

1144
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,679
it's pretty clear that those top directors, Spielberg, Kubrick, Cameron,

1145
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,960
they serve an important function. I can't claim to know

1146
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,320
what it is fully, and even James seems pretty flexible

1147
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,880
as to the whys, which is great because it's very

1148
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:55,599
arrogant to think we'll ever get at one hundred percent.

1149
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,559
All we really can do is hold up different pieces,

1150
01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:02,000
look them over and see which ones fit better than others,

1151
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,599
which perspectives and threads weave a tighter tapestry to get

1152
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:06,519
us closer.

1153
01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 5: To the truth.

1154
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,639
Speaker 4: But we're born into a completely different world, shaped by

1155
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:14,599
think tanks, wealthy industrialists, and international banking dollig archs who

1156
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:20,119
all have an interesting preoccupation with some occult belief system.

1157
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:25,480
Right right, Well, fucking a Jay Dyer. If you like

1158
01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:27,440
the stuff we talked about in the first hour in

1159
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,920
the Plus show, we got into stuff like predictive programming

1160
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,360
in the Trump presidency specifically, and back to the Future

1161
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,159
in Grimlins two. And you know, I was unaware that

1162
01:03:38,239 --> 01:03:40,960
Jay had decided to throw his hat in Trump's ring,

1163
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,840
and I really don't care or judge him for it.

1164
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,880
It's just that everyone is so polarized now listener wise,

1165
01:03:48,679 --> 01:03:52,000
that a lot of people are like keeping score with

1166
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:55,239
the guests, trying to make sure that their team is

1167
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:56,360
equally represented.

1168
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:57,719
Speaker 5: Don't be like that.

1169
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:00,599
Speaker 4: Some people are scoring me way to the right, and

1170
01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:03,440
that is not fair because they're given right wing points

1171
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,119
for the Pizzagate shows, and that is an elite issue,

1172
01:04:07,159 --> 01:04:10,239
not a right verse left one. I will not accept

1173
01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:14,159
those points, and it's going to come up. It's coming

1174
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:16,639
up everywhere you look. But I'm spending less time on

1175
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:22,280
political topics and more on just the fringe where we belong.

1176
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,039
But really, you shouldn't care about either political side, or

1177
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:29,840
at least you should be able to separate and appreciate

1178
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:34,920
a person's expertise and just sort of recognize their worldview,

1179
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the lenses they look through. I mean, consider that in

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what they say, and then just see what you can

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pull out and apply to your own paradigm. It's not

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really about every little thing or writing someone off completely

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because they see one of about an infinite number of

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issues differently than you do, or they take religion more

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seriously than you do. You know how I am on religion,

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and I still have guests that dear if I think

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there's something I can appreciate about their work otherwise. But anyway,

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we talked about a lot of great stuff today in

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the second hour for those oh so supportive plus people,

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GI Joe being a conspiratorial Schmorgesborg, touching on almost all

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the major themes we hear about in the alternative realm

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military recruitment films where you might least expect them. Doctor

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Strangelove as an allusion to the Rand Corporation esoteric Hollywood

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01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,719
film shot on location at Rothschild Mansions. Also why the

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Tavistak Institute would be studying Hitchcock films, the role of

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seventies and eighties dystopia films like Labyrinth and The Dark Crystal,

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the films of David Lynch, Jay's thoughts on more recent

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films like Split and Arrival, and as icing on this

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crazy cake, we talked about Chuck Palino's work. I never

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know how to pronounce his name. I just take a

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shot and Survivor by the way, if you did hear

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01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,679
the Plus show. Survivor is his book that involves a

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01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:07,599
hijacked plane.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't believe.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't think of it at the time, and we

1206
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:12,679
talked about a lot of other good stuff too. Just

1207
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,519
sign up for Plus already for only five bucks a month.

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This show is supported completely by the Plus program. I

1209
01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:23,199
grew a pair and quit my shitty job managing a

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01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:27,079
game stop, built the Plus infrastructure and never looked back. Guys,

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I try to be respectful of your time, give you

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01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:32,559
a great show, and I offered up for just that

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five bucks, and I don't bother you with any other stuff. Yes,

1214
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I make t shirts based on episodes over at Higher

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Side Clothing, but whatever, I hope you see the contrast

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between me and other hosts the Higher Side and other

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01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:52,880
shows and recognize even things like the difference in audio quality.

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I listened to a show the other day from a

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channel that I have been a fan of or a

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01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:03,159
follower of. THHD was even a thing one of the

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01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:05,719
most well known in the alternative realm, and the host

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she still puts up her interviews on YouTube with the

1223
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,719
technical difficulties still in it, with terrible echoing throughout the

1224
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,400
entire show. It's just like if doing interviews, it's what

1225
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,719
you're gonna do for a living. Take a goddamn second

1226
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,639
to get the audio right and package it up nice

1227
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:25,480
for the people before you put it out there. It's

1228
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:30,639
supposed to be your livelihood. So again, whatever, if you

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01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,760
like the show I do, if you think I do

1230
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,360
a good job, go to the higher side chatsplus dot

1231
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,679
com and sign up. It's really easy. You can pay

1232
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,840
for three, six or twelve month chunks if you don't

1233
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,039
like five bucks a month. I have a robust frequently

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01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:47,360
asked questions section on how to get the Plus feed

1235
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,400
into your podcast players of choice.

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01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,159
Speaker 5: If you're worried about that, blah blah blah.

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01:07:52,199 --> 01:07:55,719
Speaker 4: Right, well, it does mean a lot to be listener supported,

1238
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,840
and every host is just trying to get your money somehow.

1239
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,800
But I wait to the end, and I like to

1240
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,440
think that I spend less time pitching than any other show,

1241
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:06,679
and I like the content.

1242
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 5: To speak for itself, So meet me in the middle here.

1243
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,239
Speaker 4: But again, Jay is always a welcome guest, fun and

1244
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,000
knowledgeable guy to talk to, and I have two more

1245
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:18,720
shows due out by the end of the super short

1246
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:19,640
month of February.

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01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:22,520
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna get on it. That is it for me?

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01:08:23,239 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 4: Your move, SoCal sorcers of eight millimeter magic and mental manipulation,

1249
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:30,600
Your fucking move?

1250
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 6: Who?

1251
01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:44,159
Speaker 8: No, you see the world days and random its attached.

1252
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 7: To pub a stream control lover everything nine to five

1253
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,359
try to steal you now, don't that job seems silly?

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01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: Hello? Can you hear me?

1255
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Speaker 8: Should I play back recordings from some spying agency? Should

1256
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be wary, younger, Hell, I'll be thankful. Whens spokes the

1257
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fast and speed. See, there's such a differences between.

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Speaker 1: Us and the damn girl show hallo rama. They're calling

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01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:48,279
out now, they're going. They'll tell you the start away,

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01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,159
the very late land spend done, and they'll call down

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day sad shute from the web that's been swalled. Palla rama.

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Oh there this homony? I like, that's a girl beloved

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01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:16,319
songy and no well knows, well have you heard that

1264
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:23,359
about sad? Have you heard ab the real since long?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 8: There cartoons? It's so typical me to talk about this stuff.

1267
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:42,039
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, that's good.

1268
01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:47,359
Speaker 1: And well did you ever.

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01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:52,039
Speaker 7: Hear the argument that nothing really happens?

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Speaker 8: It's no see great and that the.

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Speaker 1: Bed stage place.

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Speaker 8: It's dube leaving your time.

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01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:16,359
Speaker 1: Color the high they're calling through their they'll tell you

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move song pay He Captain and the dag sack shut

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from the webne space for plafa high, challenging your page

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and love, and they'll tell your mout Sony and the

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battles bager, but we can't find edge with vilas the

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mind verge once and the wall. That's the high they're

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01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:32,079
calling now. They're kind. They'll turn your song. Hey. The

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Captain and the count said shut from the web mass priceful,

1281
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:55,199
callous high like challenging your character. They'll turn you song

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hey that the battles being on the weekends p ridge

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with violence the wind. Where res one that's up