WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:07.879 Hey, my friends, what's up. 2 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:12.240 I'm Nicol and I am Ben and you are listening 3 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:13.080 to Wakening. 4 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:20.120 Grim, a true crime podcast, many podcast. 5 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:48.520 Material at your audience. That can always do that every. 6 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:51.399 Time, you know that, right, cry podcast? And I'm just 7 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:52.840 gonna get it longer and longer. 8 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:54.679 It's reminded me of like a cardgo a bys like 9 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:58.399 it's like it's going by the highway or something. 10 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:00.719 You know, it's my thing. Thing, that's the thing. 11 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:04.640 My thing is. I don't know that's my thing. 12 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:08.000 Yeah, that very much shows your thing. I'm drinking breaking water. 13 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:09.799 I don't drink enough water. 14 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:12.519 I'm drinking bread mm hmm yep. 15 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:14.920 So welcome, what's up? 16 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:17.799 Welcome back. How's it going, guys? What's what's happening? How's 17 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:18.439 your December? 18 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:23.159 Christmas month? It's a Christmas month, the Christmas month, and 19 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:29.760 we're going to be trying to pick Christmas themed cases. 20 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:33.200 If you say you like the one that I'm doing today, 21 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:36.599 it's very no and everyone's going to know it. It's 22 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:38.920 just that it just happened. The event happened on Christmas. 23 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:41.200 So I don't know there's themed. 24 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:43.599 I don't know if there's really Christmas themed. True Crimed 25 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:46.040 unless it's like involving Santa Claus and elves and stuff. 26 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:49.480 I mean, I'm sure there's some out there. 27 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:52.079 I know, I maybe haven't been searching hard enough because 28 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:54.079 I was searching, but I didn't really find any that 29 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:55.040 were super interesting. 30 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:57.599 Yeah, well, we'll find some stuff. It's most likely it's 31 00:01:57.640 --> 00:01:59.840 just going to be revolving around Christmas time. But yeah, 32 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:03.719 are one that's gonna fall closest to Christmas. 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Okay, 86 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:13.039 what are your thoughts? 87 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:14.960 That's about it? 88 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.160 I mean that could be an unpopular opinion. I feel 89 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:23.680 like in Canada beauty pageants aren't overly popular so muchish thing. 90 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:26.680 But I actually remember being in Edmonton one time and 91 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:28.319 I was staying at a hotel and there was some 92 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:31.120 beauty pageant thing going, and like all these children were 93 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:34.240 running around with like their hair done way better than mine, 94 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:37.439 more makeup than me, fancy outfits, and I was like, 95 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:38.720 are you fuck? 96 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.560 Are you sure that wasn't at that like hotel resort? 97 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:43.439 Where were at in Florida? 98 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:44.240 Oh? Was it? 99 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:46.199 I think so? Because I was there and I'm pretty 100 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:47.079 sure that was in Florida. 101 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:51.319 Oh shit, I thought it was an Edmont definitely not. Okay, 102 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:53.560 So you were there, Yes, I was there. Okay, I 103 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:57.920 don't remember you being there. Thanks you, I mean for 104 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:01.920 that particular moment. But that was like really the only 105 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:05.680 time I've ever experienced like pageant kids I have known 106 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:07.560 in like real life. 107 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:10.759 I've known like some high school people like who I 108 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:16.199 think my brother in law's sister, she was in some 109 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:19.160 pageants when she was like a teenager. That's about it, Okay. 110 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:22.160 I feel like, okay, do it as a teenager, as 111 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:25.600 an adult whatever. But I guess I just when it's 112 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.879 like little children, it's sometimes like they are they doing 113 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:30.879 it on like their own free will or is it 114 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:33.480 just literally their parents, Like this is what their parents 115 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:34.000 want for them. 116 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:37.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm not in this world, 117 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:38.920 so I could be completely wrong, But as far as 118 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:41.720 an outsider perspective, I see it as the parents living 119 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.120 vicariously through their children and like forcing their kids to 120 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:49.759 do some pretty extreme things for their own amusement. 121 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:54.279 Enjoyment, yes, or rank, even social rank. Really yeah, definitely. 122 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:57.360 So anyway, if that's not a clue, what the hell 123 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.399 we're talking about So today we'll be talking about the 124 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:05.759 John John Benet Ramsey murder ding dang, And I would 125 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:10.680 say this is a very well known case, Like I think, 126 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:12.839 I think a lot of people would know about this case, 127 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.319 and it's very unfortunate because to this day it's still unsolved, 128 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:19.040 is it really? Yeah, which I think is really shitty. 129 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:20.639 I haven't dove into this case before, but I have 130 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:21.399 heard the name. 131 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:23.199 I knew a little bit about it, but yeah, this 132 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:26.680 was like the first time early dove deep. I also 133 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:28.839 thinking I feel like I compare this to the Gabby 134 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:32.360 what was her last Gabby Ptito Petito in the fact that, 135 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:35.279 like sometimes I feel like media just gravitates to like 136 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:38.759 certain cases and they get like worldwide coverage more so 137 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:42.079 than others. And I feel like this is one that 138 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:43.319 really did well. 139 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:45.879 It's no, it's it's virality. I mean, you have the 140 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:48.800 same sort of thing with memes. You have it with trends, like, 141 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:52.279 for example, trends on TikTok. You can have like someone 142 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:55.639 doing just the stupidest dumb dance video or whatever, and 143 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:57.199 for whatever reason, people. 144 00:06:56.920 --> 00:06:59.920 Just end up I know, like there's no reason really, 145 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:03.519 but there's sometimes I think just things get picked up 146 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:04.199 more than others. 147 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:06.319 Right, all it takes is for the right person with 148 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:08.800 influence to pick it up, and then everyone else is 149 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:09.959 basically going to follow us. 150 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:11.360 Yeah yeah. 151 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:14.439 So like, for example, if it's an older true crime case, 152 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:19.079 if one news source decides, say Fox News decides, oh hey, 153 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:21.720 this is a local murder or a local victim or 154 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:24.199 some sort of case, we got an extra spot. Let's 155 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:26.000 throw it on air. All of a sudden, now it's 156 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:29.800 getting this national coverage because other news sources are probably 157 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:31.279 going to be looking at it as well. And now 158 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:33.759 it's being broadcast in your TV home, and now people 159 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:35.000 are going to work and talking about it. 160 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:38.199 Everyone starts talking about it, and then it's boom, it's there. 161 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:40.519 So that's all it takes. It's just that, just one 162 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:41.920 that one little spark. 163 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:46.839 Okay. So. John bin A Ramsay was born on August sixth, 164 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:51.199 nineteen ninety in Atlanta, Georgia. Described as a sweet natured, 165 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:55.839 radiant little girl, was outgoing and loved to perform. She 166 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.480 was a beauty pageant star, following in her mama's footsteps. 167 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.560 Some of the titles that she had I don't know 168 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:05.399 why I'm saying these, but I'm just gonna say them 169 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:12.959 were American America's royal Miss, little Miss Charlavoy. I hope 170 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.959 I'm saying that right, little Miss Colorado, Colorado State All 171 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.959 Star Kids, Cover Girl, and National Tiny Miss Beauty. 172 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:24.079 Now I ain't no beauty queen, but those sound like. 173 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.600 Some serious titles. Yeah, I feel like they actually sound 174 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:29.079 like pretty legit, like she was like the real dale here. 175 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:34.080 So the Ramsey family, John Ramsey, he's the father. He 176 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:37.639 was a businessman who was the president of Access Graphics, 177 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.360 which is a computer software company, which this made the 178 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:45.279 family very well off. They were. They were well off. 179 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:48.200 They were well off, very well off, very well off. 180 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:51.879 They were very well you'll get you'll get to hear 181 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:58.080 exactly how well off they were. And interestingly enough, the dad, 182 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:02.480 John wasn't super cam comfortable with the idea of pageants. 183 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:06.440 Okay, so he's much more I would say conservative. I 184 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:08.279 don't know if that's right, but anyways, he kind of 185 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:12.879 follows the same mindset in this instances us. 186 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:17.600 But I feel like that's super sad because it probably 187 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:20.600 caused him some regret because some say it was due 188 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:24.320 to John Bennet's beauty pageant experience that may have attracted 189 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:32.320 the attention of child pedophiles. So that's real shitty. 190 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:33.919 No kidding. I do just want to point out, for 191 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:36.399 a real quick moment, when I said conservative, I'm not 192 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:39.679 saying we are conservative. I'm not saying he's conservative. I'm 193 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.600 just that one judgment call is more conservative, is what 194 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:43.000 I meant. 195 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:48.600 Yeah, okay, I think that in a sense, someone should 196 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:53.080 be conservative with their children because like, do you want 197 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:56.600 this little girl in this limelight? Oh yeah, like we're 198 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:01.600 child pedophiles or able to like see her dressed scantily 199 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:04.759 clad like she's six. I don't know, but yeah, we're 200 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:06.840 just gonna move on because I don't know. If it's 201 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:08.559 an unpopular opinion, I have no idea. 202 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:12.960 That's that's that's a major issue social media these days, though, too. Right. 203 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:14.559 All it takes is for you to have a fun 204 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:16.320 day at the beach with your kid and post a picture. 205 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:24.279 No, yeah, it's scary. Oh it's so scary. Okay. Oh 206 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:29.360 so Patsy Ramsey the mom Patsy Ramsey, pep pet Oh yeah, 207 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:31.039 Patsy Patsy Ramsey. 208 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:32.519 That name is dope as fun. 209 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:34.679 I don't know if that's her full name or she 210 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:38.279 just went by Patsy. I'm not even sure, but so 211 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:42.720 she was John's second wife, also very outgoing. I feel 212 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:44.879 like she was creating a mini me with her daughter. 213 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:51.000 She loved to decorate, and especially at Christmas. Their house 214 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.080 was basically like an open house, and they give neighbors 215 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:57.919 tours of their beauty, beautifully decorated home. Oh fuck off, 216 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:01.879 which I don't love that because then that's again just inviting. Yeah, 217 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:04.559 fucking like you who knows what the shit your neighbors 218 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:08.480 are up to, right into your home. But I just, oh, 219 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:10.440 my gosh, keep your doors locked. 220 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:14.000 I just I don't know, that's like extremely full of yourself, like, yeah, 221 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.000 come in, look what I have, Look what I do. 222 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:18.639 What we show, like, that's just show body as fuck. 223 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:24.759 Their home, my love was seven thousand square feet yeah, no, 224 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:29.279 four floors, Like it was ginormous, Like that's a mansion. 225 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:30.960 I think, well that's a fucking mansion. 226 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:34.559 Yeah. And it had a wine cellar, which I do love, 227 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:36.559 Like I think, if you make it in this world, 228 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:37.559 you got a wine cellar. 229 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:37.919 Yeah. 230 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:40.080 For me to get a tiny home with a wine cellar, 231 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.200 I don't know if that's quite how that works or 232 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:47.559 I may all have a separate, tiny home that's just a 233 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:48.120 wine cellar. 234 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:49.799 Yeah, there you go, okay. 235 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:51.679 And then she also had a brother who was nine 236 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.080 years old at the time of the murder, and his 237 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:58.320 name was Burke Ramsey. And for a little bit of 238 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:03.159 foreshadowing there three three individuals would all be considered suspects 239 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:04.360 later on in this story. 240 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:09.919 Ohh and it's unsolved too, so there are probably still 241 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:11.440 suspects to this day even. 242 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:16.559 Who Yeah, so though Bennett Bennet, I always want to 243 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:17.720 call her something elk. 244 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:20.080 It probably is what you're thinking, I think, so. 245 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:23.120 Yeah. So John Benet was born in Atlanta, Georgia at 246 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:26.440 the time of At the time of the murder, the family, however, 247 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:29.799 lived in Boulder, Colorado. And I did a quick Google 248 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:32.679 search of Boulder and it looked like a freaking beautiful, 249 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:33.879 freaking city. 250 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:36.000 Colorado in itself is a gorgeous country. 251 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:37.879 I was like, oh my gosh, I need you need 252 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:38.720 to visit that. Well. 253 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:41.639 Colorado like is very similar to British Columbia as far 254 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:42.440 as like the Mountain ranges. 255 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:46.440 Is it okay? I didn't know that it was. It 256 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.799 was also known to be a relatively safe city at 257 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:51.200 the time, with a low crime rate, so the city 258 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:57.320 wasn't necessarily necessarily equipped to handle an investigation of this magnitude. 259 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.919 It also taking place over the holidays could have seen 260 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:06.159 investigators not on the clock at the particular time, which 261 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:09.200 is unfortunate because you'll hear some of the errors made 262 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:13.480 in the investigation that definitely could play on why this 263 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:14.600 case is unsolved. 264 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:17.360 Oh shit, and if it's a missing kid or miss 265 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:20.759 anyone missing first twenty four hours it's like the most crucial. 266 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:24.240 So if they're off on holidays and shit, not able 267 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:25.399 to answer, yeah. 268 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:27.960 Because it's like right Christmas time. I feel like the 269 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.840 higher rank you are, you get holidays right, and yeah, 270 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:35.720 year off. So two officers to this date are apparently 271 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:40.480 still assigned to this case at the Balder Police Department. Wow, 272 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:42.000 which I actually was like, Wow. 273 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:45.360 No kidding, And what years did this occur? 274 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:47.279 Nineteen ninety six? 275 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.320 Wow? Okay, and they're still that legit. It's not even 276 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:53.120 a close case. It's ongoing, hey, like actively ongoing. 277 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.559 Yeah okay. So to get on with the story, it 278 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:00.559 was Christmas Day nineteen ninety six. The Ramses woke up, 279 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.919 had the morning at their house, opening gifts, making a 280 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:07.039 big breakfast and then went to have dinner at a 281 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:10.399 friend's house. It could literally have been described as the 282 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:11.879 perfect Christmas day. 283 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.480 Of course, dun well, before you get to the dune, 284 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:17.919 done done part. Of course, it's going to be a 285 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:20.559 perfect Christmas day when your family is rich as fuck. Yeah, 286 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:23.600 just seven thousand square foot home with multiple Christmas trees, 287 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:25.279 probably like chef's. 288 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:29.279 Cooking for you, gifts that you probably got, right, of course. 289 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:32.039 It's a perfect fucking Christmas Day. It could be midsummer 290 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:35.600 with like like forty degrees outside Celsius by the way, 291 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.679 for those people who are like that's cold. Yeah, and 292 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:42.080 you'd be like, fuck yeah, Christmas, motherfuckers, because I got 293 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:44.519 all the presents and shit. Of course, the kid's gonna 294 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:45.639 think it's perfect Christmas Day. 295 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:47.559 I just have to say, hopefully I'm not slow to 296 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:50.440 present this because I didn't really realize how burnt my 297 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.159 tongue was. I can't tell. I started like reading this 298 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.480 all and so it's actually like physically hurting me. 299 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:59.399 So what did you eat? So I don't even know, 300 00:14:59.559 --> 00:14:59.840 but my. 301 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:02.799 Scoldings really hurting, And now I'm like, shit, this is 302 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:06.159 gonna be hard. So anyway, if I'm not acting one 303 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.480 hundred percent. That's why, because my tongue is burned as fuck. 304 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:11.240 That's why your tongue burned as the fuck. 305 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:16.360 Okay, So they arrived home late, with John and Patsy 306 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:18.799 saying they put John Beney to bed as soon as 307 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:22.000 they got home. I believe it was around ten pm 308 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:22.320 or so. 309 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:23.120 Okay. 310 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:26.559 Little did they know that would be the last time 311 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.960 they would see John Beney alive. Patsy would wake up 312 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:34.080 the next day around five five thirty and headed downstairs 313 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:37.000 to the kitchen around five thirty five. I'm assuming to 314 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:39.480 make some coffee, because what else do you do first 315 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:42.480 thing in the morning. Yeah, I don't do that. However, 316 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:46.360 on the stairs she would find a two and a 317 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:48.559 half page handwritten note. 318 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:49.960 Oh shit, a r. 319 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.320 Ransom note saying her daughter had been kidnapped. Not a 320 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:57.519 way any parent would want to start their day. I 321 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:00.000 have the contents or you're looking at me? 322 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:02.240 Sorry, just there's major red flags already to me. 323 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:05.799 Yeah, yeah, there should be. I have the contents of 324 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:08.639 this letter, and I thought this might be the perfect 325 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:12.240 time to bring a special guest back to read the 326 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:13.840 contents of this letter. 327 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:18.639 What what do you mean, jacko oh, showay no, really, 328 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:26.919 mister Ramsey, listen carefully. 329 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:32.320 We are a group of individuals that represent a small 330 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:37.480 foreign factor. We do respect your business, but not the 331 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:41.440 country that it serves. At this time, we have your 332 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:47.919 daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed, and 333 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.240 if you want her to see nineteen ninety seven, you 334 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:59.600 will follow our instructions to the letter. You will withdraw 335 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:06.319 one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars from your account. One 336 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:10.039 hundred thousand will be in one hundred dollar. 337 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:13.039 Bills and the remaining eighteen. 338 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:17.880 Thousand will be in twenties. Make sure that you bring 339 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:22.880 an adequate size a cachet to the bank. When you 340 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:26.359 get home, you will put the money in a brown 341 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:31.839 paper bag. I will call you between eight and ten 342 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:37.960 a m. Tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery 343 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:42.960 will be exhausting, so I advise you to be rested. 344 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:48.440 If we monitor you getting the money early, we might 345 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:53.119 call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the 346 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:58.799 money and hence an earlier delivery pick up of your daughter. 347 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:06.480 Any deviation of my instructions will result in an immediate 348 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:12.599 execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her 349 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:18.200 remains for proper burier. The two gentlemen watching over your 350 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:23.279 daughter do not particularly like you, so I advise you 351 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:31.079 do not provoke them. Speaking to anyone about your situation, 352 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:37.119 such as police, FBI, et cetera, will result in your 353 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:42.200 daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a 354 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:48.559 stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. 355 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:52.920 If the money is in any way marked or tampered with, 356 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:59.519 she dies. You will be scanned for electronic devices, and 357 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:06.400 if any are found, she dies. You can try to 358 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:10.839 deceive us, but be warned that we are familiar with 359 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:17.799 law enforcement countermeasures and tactics. You stand a ninety nine 360 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:21.319 percent chance of killing your daughter if you try to 361 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:26.799 outsmart us. Follow our instructions, and you stand a one 362 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:33.160 hundred percent chance of getting her back. You and your 363 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:39.640 family are under constant scrutiny as well as authorities. Don't 364 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:44.079 try to grow a brain, John, You are not the 365 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:48.799 only fat cat around, so don't think that killing will 366 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:56.200 be difficult. Don't underestimate us, John, use that good Southern 367 00:19:56.359 --> 00:19:59.960 common sense of yours. It is up to you now, 368 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:05.440 John Victory s B T C. 369 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:10.079 Wow, thank you, jack O. 370 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:13.039 Yes, Okay, that was fucking awesome. 371 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:14.279 That was actually super cool. 372 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:16.640 Thanks for dropping that. And even though it was gonna fucking. 373 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:19.559 Happen, holy super into that I planned ahead. 374 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:23.319 Okay, no ship, Okay, yeah, the jackal part fucking awesome. 375 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:30.160 The note holy fuck quite alarming? Hey, uh yeah, just slightly, you. 376 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:34.599 Know, so a quite an alarming thing to find first 377 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.759 thing in the morning. And b like, that's a fucking 378 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:40.039 ransom note and a half. 379 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:42.200 Yeah, and what was it at the end? 380 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:45.920 SBTC, s BTC. 381 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:47.240 I wonder what the fuck that is? 382 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:49.519 And well, I'm just gonna say to this day, I 383 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:54.000 don't know if anyone know was really Oh sorry, I'm like, yeah, 384 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:56.240 I'm too comfortable. I'm about to yell at her dog. 385 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:59.440 And I'm like, Mika, get out of there. She's going 386 00:20:59.480 --> 00:20:59.920 for the kiddie. 387 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:05.880 Yes, go on your bed, come on, okay, continue, Okay. 388 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:09.279 So to talk a little bit about that, it was 389 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:15.920 an uncharacteristically long ransom note, yes, apparently very carefully written, 390 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:20.680 and when investigators attempted to rewrite the note, they found 391 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:25.559 it would take approximately twenty minutes to write that note, 392 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:27.759 which is a long ass time. 393 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:31.839 So there's definitely premeditation, clearly, Well, I don't know. 394 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:35.279 So all fine and dandy, but the ransom note was 395 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:41.359 actually written at the Ramsey house. Was it stationary? And 396 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:44.480 a pen were used from the home, And there was 397 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:48.079 allegedly a first draft even of this ransom note that 398 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:50.880 was found and that what we just heard was the 399 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:56.079 second draft shit, which is really fucking weird. 400 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.400 That's it's someone in the fucking house, you know, the 401 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:02.319