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Speaker 1: Everything podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the All Eighties Movies podcast podcast,

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where we talk about the blockbusters, love blocks and everything

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in between from one of the prestest decades from movies,

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the nineteen eighties. I'm your host Bill Banton, locked me

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on this journey revisiting eighties movies. Is my co host

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Jason Massek. Hello, Jason Freddy.

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Speaker 3: As a younger man, I was a sculptor, a painter,

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and a musician. There was just one problem. I wasn't

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very good. As a matter of fact, I was dreadful.

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I finally came to the frustrating conclusion that I had

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taste and style, but not talent. I knew my limitations.

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We all have our limitations, Freddy. Fortunately, I discovered that

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taste and style were commodities that people desired. Freddy. What

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I am saying is know your limitations. You are a moron.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Listeners, we are discussing with spoilers of Plenty,

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the nineteen eighty eight comedy Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. It was

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produced by Bernard Williams and distribed it by Ryan Pictures.

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The movie stars Michael Kain, Steve Martin, and Glenn Headley.

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Directed by Frank Oz. This movie is rated PG with

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a running time of one hour and fifty minutes. It

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is a remake of Bedtime Story, which was released in

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nineteen sixty four and starred Marlon Brando, David Niven, and

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Shirley Jones. So what is this movie about? What's on

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the box? If you grew up in the nineteen eighties,

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in what's your local video store to rent this movie?

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You would find this description on the back of the

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VHS box. It is what's on the box? Take it away.

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Speaker 3: Jason, a connoisseur of conning. Lawrence Jamison Michael Kaine is

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running the ultimate royal scam on the Riviera. He's posing

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as a deposed prince, raising funds for the freedom fighters

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of his stricken homeland. Should a wealthy commoner care to

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give her all to his noble cause, so be it,

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provided she also kicks in cash, jewelry and gambling chips.

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But his hustling highness gets royally flushed when one day

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a pretender to his throne turns up. He's Freddie Benson

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Steve Martin, a small time scam artist who has enough

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on Jamison to make a mess of the monarchy. So

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the rivals make a wager. The first to extract fifty

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thousand dollars from the next woman they see wins and

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the loser goes into exile. Enter Janet Colgate Glen Hedley,

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a naive American detergent heiress, and the races on with

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Jamison ready to take her and Freddy eager to make her.

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The innocent soap queen is well on her way to

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the cleaners in this hilarious comedy that proves that anybody

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can be taken in by dirty, rotten scoundrels.

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Speaker 2: Dirty rotten skiss. So that was what's in the box.

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Let's move on to our av snapshot as we highlight

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some of the creative forces from this movie. Jason, who

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get into it. This will be fun. Well,

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I got to talk about Michael Kain playing one of

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the protagonist roles of English con artist Lawrence Jamison, so

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real quick. On a personal note, I've always been a

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huge fan of Michael Kain since I was a young

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and up and coming actor, especially after watching his famous

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video Acting in Film, which was a staple in acting courses.

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I remember watching that at the University of Miami It's

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a great video if you want a quick lesson on

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how to act on camera, very different from acting in

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the theater. It's a very practical lesson and he's brilliant

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in it. You can see his technique shine through then

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and in any movie he's in, including this one, of course.

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Michael Kain was born as Maurice Joseph Mikelwhite in London.

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He stands pretty tall at six foot two. Michael Kaine's

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been nominated for an Oscar six times. He won the

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Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor twice for Hannah and

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her Sisters in eighty six and The Cider House Rules

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in ninety nine. His career dates back to the fifties,

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but he makes a splash with Zulu in sixty four.

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He was nominated for Alfie in sixty six. He does

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a bunch of work then and here comes the eighty snapshot.

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He does Dressed to Kill an eighty Victory in eighty one,

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death Trap in eighty two, Bill we got to do

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that one, yes, death Trap. Christpher reed educating Rita in

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eighty three, Blame It on Rio in eighty four, Hannah

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and Her Sisters eighty six, Jaws The Revenge the Best

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movie Ever in eighty seven, and then he does a

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couple episodes of a TV mini series called Jack the

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Ripper in eighty eight, This Dirty Rotten Scoundrels also in

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eighty eight. His trademarks, of course, are his Cockney accent.

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He often plays mentors the younger characters. Now frequently works

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with Christopher Nolan. We do love him as Alfred in

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Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy. Of course, a little trivia once

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he said that he knew he had made it as

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an actor when he starts getting scripts to read that

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no longer had coffee stains already on them, meaning that

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he was the first choice for the role when he

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was still a struggling actor in London and rooming with

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Terrence Stamp. Cain's barber was future hairstylist and guru Vidal Sassoon.

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And here's a quick quote. This is a famous one

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if you're familiar with any of the behind the scenes

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stuff from Jaws The Revenge. Here's his quote he says

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about the movie. He says, I have never seen it,

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but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have

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seen the house that it built, and it is terrific,

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Speaker 2: I always love that quote. It's great, it's so honest.

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Speaker 3: What do you got for your eighties snapshot?

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Speaker 2: Bill bant So I went with producer Bernard Williams, who

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was known for his work on a range of acclaimed films,

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including collaborations with director Stanley Kubrick and Frank Oz. Born

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in London, Williams began his career in the film industry

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as a teenager, starting in the mailroom at Associated British

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Pictures in the early sixties. He served as second and

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third assistant dire director to two notable films Today The

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Earth Caught Fire in nineteen sixty one and Bunny Lake

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Is Missing from sixty five, directed by Auto Preminger. He

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also worked as a production manager on the influential British

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television series The Prisoner. Williams went on to collaborate with

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Stanley Krubrick as associate producer on two of the director's

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most iconic films, Blockwork Aren't from nineteen seventy one and

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Barry London from nineteen seventy five. His long standing partnership

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with director Frank Oz began with Dirty Rotten Scandals and

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continued through a series of successful films, What About Bob

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in ninety one, House Sitter in ninety two, The Indian

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and the Cupboard in ninety five, Both Finger in ninety nine,

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and The Score in two thousand and one. Beyond these collaborations,

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Williams produced a diverse array of films, including Flash Gordon

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from nineteen eighty, Ragtime nineteen eighty one, The Bounty in

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eighty four, and Manhunter in nineteen eighty six. Williams passed

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away in twenty fifteen at the age of seventy two.

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Speaker 3: Wow, quite the resume. The very cool. I enjoyed that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a bit unusual because when we

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talk about these movies, the producer is typically a studio.

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So when I saw it was just a person, I

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was like, who is this guy? Then I did a

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deep dive and realized, Wow, he's actually done some impressive work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big time.

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Speaker 2: I figured it was worth sharing. Okay, so this leads

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us to earliest memories? What are your earliest memories from

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Dirty Rotten Scoundrels? Jason stars Off.

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Speaker 3: I don't recall seeing this film in the theater, nor

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did I have any recollection of who I was with

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or where I was exactly when I first saw it.

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I just know the feeling it gives me when I

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hear the title mentioned, and for me, it's all feel

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good nostalgia. I recall seeing the trailer on television, finding

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it amusing, and I recall that the film, you know,

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I thought it was just really light on its feet,

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great entertainment with great performances that made me laugh out loud.

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I always recall watching Steve Martin and enjoying him thoroughly,

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always been a fan. What he does best in this film,

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it's the combination of his physical comedy with brilliantly delivered timing.

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And here's the thing. For me, he just exudes such

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a likability. There's something there's a warmth about Steve Martin

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that I've always been attracted to. So I recall that,

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and over the years, I mentioned this briefly. You know,

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I've had a huge appreciation for Michael Kain, but I

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recall really enjoying his performance in this comedy, which I

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wasn't familiar. You know, you think Michael Caine, you think

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a little bit more serious actory performances, if that makes sense,

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as a serious actor at the time, but yeah, he

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shows up big time in this as more of the

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straight man, but has some great comedic moments. I do

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remember enjoying the so called twist at the end spoiler alert,

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sort of gosh, this is for sure. I do remember

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thinking that Glenn Headley in the role of Janet Colgate

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was very cute. I always found her. There's just something

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about her I found very attractive when I was younger,

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still do to this day. So yeah, I could go

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through all the scenes which I recall being funny. There

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think we'll talk about some of those in our favorite

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scenes and moments coming up. I've always liked movies about

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con artists. I just really enjoyed the silliness of this

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film as a kid. I remember it being a little

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over the top in moments. I enjoyed the sort of

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the back and forth tennis match, if you will, between

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Michael Caine and Steve Martin's characters. It's just watching this

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game of who's gonna out con the other person or

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outsmart the other person, out play the other person, and

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out maneuver them. It's like, you know what I thought

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of this is this is probably was why I was

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attracted to con artists movies as a kid. It's like

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their magicians and you're just trying to figure out their secrets,

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how they're gonna pull it off, and how they managed

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to do it. And there are a sort of actors themselves, right,

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I mean, their performance artists themselves being connors. So I

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a kid. So those are my earliest memories. Just always

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thought this movie was fun, and so I watched it

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more than a few times when I was younger. What

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it was the trail that hooked me

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right away. That scene, it's not even in the actual movie,

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where Steve Martin pushes the woman into the canal or

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river made me laugh out loud. I saw that and

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thought I have to watch this. Then later, while doing

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some research on the film, I realized I had never

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even noticed the moment where Michael Caine shots Cotton Candy

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and that kid's face, probably because I was so focused

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on Steve Martin. Pushing the woman into the water. And

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then there's that scene where Steve Martin plays ruprict sitting

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at the table with the eye patch, and he says,

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and you're thinking, my god, what is going on with

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this movie? It came out around Christmas during the school year,

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and so there was no way I was going to

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see in the theaters. It was definitely a rental. Honestly,

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when I first watched it, I wasn't that into it.

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I mean, I liked the ending, the twist was pretty cool,

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but overall it just didn't fully land for me. I

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never really watched it again after that. I thought, Okay,

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that was interesting, but it didn't leave a strong impression. Still,

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I've always been curious about revisiting it, like, would I

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appreciate it more now? Maybe I'd end up loving it,

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or maybe I'd still feel the same. That curiosity is

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one of the main reasons I wanted to get this

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movie on the schedule, because I haven't really gone back

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to it since the eighties. I might have caught a

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clip here or there, but that's it. I think part

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of it was that the trailer just set my expectations

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so high, right, and I didn't feel like the movie

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paid off. Yeah, and then the fact that the scene

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for the trailer wasn't even the movie. I get why

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the context of the film, it probably wouldn't have worked.

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The characters are constantly at odds, but in that trailer

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moment they come across more like buddies, which doesn't really

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fit their dynamic. So in a way, I'm actually glad

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it wasn't included in the film, but still it hooked me.

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The trailer did this job, it just didn't deliver the

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as I mentioned, because it is so funny and it's

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the context of the film, because in just such a

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small amount of time within that trailer, that scene does

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portray them as more there's more camaraderie there. Maybe, yeah,

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it's very subtle, but you can feel like, as in

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their partner, they're not just partners, but maybe there's an

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underlying friendship as well, which is not really what occurs

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Speaker 2: Film, right, And Michael Kaine's character Laurence has a code

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about who he cons and he definite wouldn't shove cotton

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candy and some kid's face. That kind of behaviors totally

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have a character for him.

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Speaker 3: Great point. Yeah, yeah, that's outside of his boundaries for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's move on to initial thoughts. Jason,

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what are your initial thoughts about dirty rotten Scoundrels?

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Speaker 3: You know what, I will just spoil it right now.

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I felt fantastic. I had a great time. I laughed

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out loud several times watching this. I was really, really

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pleasantly surprised. I expected to like it. I've always had

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an affinity for it, but I was surprised at how

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many times I actually like burst out laughing in moments.

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So I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoy this. It's just kind of

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a fun romp and I'll get into it now. And

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been a you know, man, in the eighties, remember when

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we had to sit through credits from the beginning of

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the film and this is just one of those like

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nothing's happening, it's just credits over. I guess it's is

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it the French Riviera? You're just seeing the water in

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Speaker 2: And let me ask you a quick question. Did you

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think that was the real, actual French Riviera or was

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it a model? I couldn't tell.

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I couldn't tell either if it was real or not.

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It was a pretty setting, but it could. Yeah, there

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was something about it that felt.

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Speaker 2: But I know they filmed it out there, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But that particular still shot, although you can see the

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water moving, it feels like a model a little bit.

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There's something plastic about it or something. I don't know

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what it is, but you're right, it's an interesting observation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the way it's slit it makes it

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look fake.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of It's a little strange. But we

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said through the credits it's still fun because there was

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a little bit of a cold open there, which we'll

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get into because that leads into my first favorite scene.

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But I forgot or just didn't realize Bill that this

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movie was indeed directed by Frank Oz the great Frank

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Oz the Wizard of Oz, because not only, of course,

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was he famously the voice of Yoda, but he acted

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and directed as well. This is one talented guy and

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I just wanted to give him a shout out because man,

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you mentioned the producer here and working with Frank Oz.

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But yeah, he directed films like The Dark Crystal, Little

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Shop of Horrors, The Muppets Take Manhattan, what about Bob

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the Score, Bowfinger. These are great movies. When he shows up,

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does like cameos and other films you know, or like

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It's The Blues Brothers or something like that. You're just

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happy to see him, just like, that's freaking Frank Oz.

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What a great dude. It's just one of those guys

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you know, you'd just like to have a conversation with

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whatever it is, just to pick his brain about all

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of his experiences, his stories and doing so many things,

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wearing so many hats over the years. So I mentioned, yes,

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I still think this movie holds up. I still think

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the humor for me, the style of humor in this

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works for me today. And a big part of why

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it works for me is the casting. I love the

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casting of this. I think it's spot on all around.

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We don't have a lot of protagonists in this, only

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three real main protagonists, and then you have is It

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Inspector Andre who is kind of a supporting role throughout.

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But let's start with Steve Martin. I believe he's at

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his best in this. Like I said, made me laugh

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out loud multiple times during the rewatch, his over the

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top goofiness, his physicality, the facial expressions throughout he's delivering

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a speech during a con and he does all of

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these things to just con these women throughout, to either

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seduce them or have them sympathize with him and draw

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out their empathy. And it's ridiculous. But like I said,

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he's so likable that you can't keep your eyes off

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of him. He's doing so much with his face and

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his voice all the time. So really appreciate Steve Martin.

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It's something about his style of humor, because he's obviously

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so eccentric and theatrical and big and over the top,

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but he makes it so fun and charming at the

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same time. He can be a relatable every man and

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a leading man at the same time. He just pulls

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that magic off that I appreciate. Michael Caine, what can

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you say, consummate professional actor And if you didn't think

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he could do comedy, you got to watch this. He

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plays the straight man to a tee, but he also

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has his own laugh out loud moments which I really appreciated.

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I like their chemistry in this. Steve Martin Michael Caine,

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I think have great chemistry. They play off each other brilliantly.

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I think they're really perfect for the roles. Caine playing

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the role of Lawrence Jamison, this British and well established

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and well polished professional con man who's working out of

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the small town of Beaumont sour Meer in the French

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rivier when he stumbles onto the less polished and very

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crude American con man and Steve Martin playing the role

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of Freddie Benson. So you got Lawrence and Freddy. And

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when Freddy infringes upon Lawrence's territory here in the south

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of France, they go head to head and competing for

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taking money from wealthy corrupt women. And then finally Martin

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says he wants to learn from Cain the season pro,

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but Caine takes him under his wing, only to beat

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him down and try to drive him out and then

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it ends up in this Gentleman's Bet, and that's when

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Glenn Headley's character Janet Colegate comes into the frame and

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Glenn Headley as Janet Colegate sneaky sexy in this. For me,

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Bill Bant, this is an actress I've always liked, but

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to be honest, I looked at her IMDb. I've seen

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her in a few things, namely Dick Tracy's That's the

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other one I really remember her from, but not much else.

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I've seen this film multiple times. I do know the twist,

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and I was paying close attention to her in particular

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on this rewatch. And I still think she's a natural.

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I don't think she really gives anything away. She's my

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type in a way. She can be that cute female

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next door or play like a sexy synuttress if she

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wanted to. She can do both. I don't know. Did

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you have any thoughts about either Martin Kine or Glenn Headley.

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Speaker 2: For me, Headley was the highlight of the movie. The

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movie doesn't get interesting until she is in it.

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Speaker 3: There you go. It's funny because we have a really

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opposite take on this rewatch. That's great. I love that

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and make I totally I get that. I totally get that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then after listening to you, I think my

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issue with it was I don't think I like Steve

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Martin being an asshole. Ah okay, it doesn't do it

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for me. I kept trying to figure out while watching it,

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why am I not enjoying this? And then while you

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were talking, it hit me, I don't like Steve Martin

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when he's playing an asshole. I like what he's lovable,

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I don't like his character.

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Speaker 3: That totally tracks also makes sense, and I think why

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I appreciate him so much is that I still found

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him likable even though he is playing a jerk no

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pun intended. I totally get it. For me. The standout

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this time was actually Michael Kaine, because I just think

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he's he's so controlled the untire and he just puts

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on a masterclass performance. And I'll bring up a couple

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of his moments later on. I thought he looked really

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sharp in this. I was like, Wow, Michael Kine obviously

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a little bit younger at this time. And then I

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found in the trivia and this is stepping on some trivia.

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They use a lot of skin tightening makeup on him

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to make him look younger, to make him look closer

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in age to Steve Martin. Right, hell of a job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably threw a little preparation h on that face

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to tighten it up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it worked because he looked fantastic. Hey, Bill, it's

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great to see Emperor Palpatine in this What is he

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doing here?

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Speaker 2: He has a great line in this one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Ian McDermott, the great Ian McDermott that plays the

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role of Arthur the Butler, Lawrence's butler in this movie.

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Speaker 2: Now I see how I became so evil.

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Speaker 3: Mm mmm hmm. I think he's a bit underused, in

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my opinion, in this film, but it's still great to

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see him pop up.

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Speaker 2: Agreed.

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Speaker 3: I thought the film was quite well directed. Speaking Frank Oz,

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it's not rocket science, it's it's just smart enough. There

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are definitely a lot of coincidences that happen in the

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crossing of paths in this movie. It's a lot of

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just go with it here. It's almost on a level farcicle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought there was too much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see why you would think that he

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popped out a little bit more. This time watching it,

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I was like, Wow, a lot of convenient events happened throughout,

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but that is the movie. I forgive it because I

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think that is clearly the tone from the beginning, so

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sort of that revolving doors effect. It may be a

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requirement that you just go with it if you're going

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to enjoy this movie. This is an interesting question I

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thought of Bill Bannon if this movie were to come

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out today, because we're so over analytical now, especially as

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adults watching these movies. We've seen so much at this point.

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Let's say, if this movie just came out brand new today,

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do you think we would see the twist coming?

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Speaker 2: Depends on how I would have to rewrite it. I

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would always have to rewrite it that they're targeting her

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from the get go and then not realizing till the

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end that she's actually conning them instead, And I think

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that would work better for me.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I had never heard of the original movie, The

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Bedtime Story, and I tried to find it, and of

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course I could not.

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Speaker 3: Because I wouldn't be surprised if this was well. It

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was actually rebooted not too long ago, right with Anne

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Hathaway and Rebel Wilts.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they did that reboot with the Ladies version.

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And I remember that one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just makes me think of the fact that,

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you know, movies have been around so long now, we've

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seen so many ideas play out in so many different ways,

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and we're accustomed so many different endings, and it all

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becomes predictable after a while. So I was just wondering

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if this movie could be done in a way where

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you just wouldn't see it coming at the end, just

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a thought I had. So finally, Yeah, I really enjoy this.

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It's got twists and turns all along the way. Love

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the cons I forgive the conveniences and me over the

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top ridiculousness, but the performances are really fun. I really

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had some really like gut busting, you know, laugh out

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loud moments. And I think we may have the opposite

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view on this bill because I felt the first half

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was a lot more fun and it slowed down a

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little bit in the second half. For me. Maybe that's

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just because I knew what was coming, but that's just

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my take.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was the exact composite that opening scene with

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that bad overdubbing, with the conversation between Kin as Lawrence

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and that woman as she's trying to give him her

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pearls to help with the freedom fighters.

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Speaker 3: The cold open you're talking about. Yeah, you don't see

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their faces. You just see that. You hear the voices

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and the transaction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, why why are they filming it this way?

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I know who it is. I know it's Michaelcaine. You

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can distinctly tell it's Michael Kain. Why can I not

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see his face? Why is Frank Oz filming it this way?

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It kind of threw me off a little bit. And

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then we see our first con and we meet Steve Martin,

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and then we have this whole thing, all right, I'll

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teach Steve Martin how to be a better con man,

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and they go through this whole thing where he's shown

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how to be a sophisticated con and then they do

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the initial con, which it took me a little while

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to figure it out, and Steve Martin is just playing

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a dumb character. Again. Wait, Lawrence spent all this time

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teaching him how to be a sophisticated con artist. They're

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not even using it.

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Speaker 3: That's a great point. That's a great complaint. I can't

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disagree with that.

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Speaker 2: So the movie doesn't take off until they decide, all right,

473
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,160
we've had enough of each other. Let's make a bet.

474
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,759
Let's see who can con someone out of fifty thousand dollars.

475
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,359
And Glenn Headley appears in the movie. And then that's

476
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,559
for me what I'm like, Okay, this is getting interesting

477
00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:28,359
now because it's let's see what technique is the best.

478
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,519
And when Steve Martin pulls up in the wheelchair in

479
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:35,519
the military outfit, I had a chuckle and right from

480
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:39,240
there that's when I started enjoying the movie. I just

481
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,039
like the second half. For me. The first half is

482
00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:44,279
a slog and as much as I think the Rubric

483
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,839
character is funny, it's a little too over the top. Okay, yeah,

484
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:51,279
a little idiotic for me, And you know I don't

485
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,960
like idiotic comedy, so it doesn't work. I most kind

486
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,039
of wish they work together more, or just did the

487
00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,480
bet for the get Go and then the whole movie

488
00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:05,160
they're just trying to con Janet fair enough.

489
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,559
Speaker 3: Agree to disagree, I respect your opinion.

490
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:10,319
Speaker 2: Likewise, if we had to watch this, you could sit

491
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,599
and watch the first half and then you could tag

492
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,119
me and I'll watch the second half for you. There

493
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,119
we go, all right, So let's move on to our

494
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:21,680
favorite scenes or moments. What are some favorite scenes or moments?

495
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,599
We have them dirty rotten scoundrels. So I guess Jason's

496
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,799
going to take the first half of the movie and

497
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,880
I'm pretty much going to take care of the second.

498
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:34,279
Speaker 3: Half, right, Yeah, it just plays out that way. So

499
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,400
I will start, as I often do from the beginning.

500
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,359
In this first scene, I'm just calling Lawrence CON's Franny.

501
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,680
We do have that brief cold open setup before the

502
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,079
credits bill kind of went through it. We don't see

503
00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:49,640
Cain's face, but we understand he's playing this quote unquote

504
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:53,880
exiled prince. Yeah, and he's accepting charity from a rich

505
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,559
woman in order to fund his freedom fighters, which of

506
00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:01,200
course is all a ruse. This is part of his con.

507
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,400
This is kind of this character he's playing within the film,

508
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,200
within the fiction. So cut to after the credits. Michael

509
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,240
Cain as Lawrence Jamison is now in this fancy casino

510
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,880
and we know this is the Sounds of France. He's

511
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,119
standing aside the action and he's just looking on in

512
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,920
his friend, this gentleman Andre, who comes up to inform

513
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:25,440
him that a rich, married and corruptible blonde is sitting

514
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,599
at the roulette table and Cain turns around. We actually

515
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,279
see his face then here for the first time, and

516
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:35,599
he says perfect, and we know now that the blonde

517
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,640
will be his mark. So he goes over to the

518
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,079
roulette table, sits next to the blonde played by Barbara Harris,

519
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:45,640
and he bets what she bets on the same number

520
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:48,000
whatever it is there on the roulette table, and they

521
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,119
end up losing the bet, and it seems as though

522
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,519
he is upset now and he takes off one of

523
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:57,519
his rings and he asks Andre if he can see

524
00:26:57,519 --> 00:26:59,759
how much he can get for it. Obviously he's playing

525
00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:02,039
it if he's out of money and he's desperate, and

526
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:04,440
his friend Andre says, no, no, not the royal ring,

527
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,319
your highness, Because then Michael Kaine is like, sh don't

528
00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:12,559
make it too obvious. But of course the blonde overhears this,

529
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:15,119
and after Cain leaves the table and goes out to

530
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,160
the veranda, the blonde chases him and she sees Andre

531
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,240
standing there. And I love this because we see Michael

532
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:24,440
Cain standing by the railing looking up into the moonlight,

533
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,440
just kind of in a way upset, but just kind

534
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,799
of looking up word longingly. But she runs into Andre

535
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,559
first here out in the veranda, and tries to bribe

536
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,640
him so she can get close to this prince. And

537
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,920
Andre says, forget the very existence of that brilliant, extraordinary

538
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,119
man of destiny. He's just making up all this stuff.

539
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,640
It is great just to really play up the character

540
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,960
of this prince that Lawrence is playing. So we do

541
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,079
know that Andre heres. He's the police chief of Beaumont,

542
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,759
Sir mayor, this small town in south France. And like

543
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:00,480
I said, we see Cain standing off solitari Harry looking

544
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:04,799
up into the moonlight, and she approaches your highness, and

545
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,359
we learned she is Franny Eubanks of Omaha. She says

546
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,839
she overheard that he's in trouble, and he immediately Michael

547
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,480
Kane asks her if she's one of his subjects, which

548
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,880
just cracks me up. He says that she's already risking

549
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,640
too much just by speaking to him, but she insists

550
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,319
on helping this prince. And there's a running gag here

551
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,000
where either Michael Caine or his friend Andre keep pushing

552
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,000
Franny into these tall bushes or tall plants on the patio,

553
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:32,200
as if it would somehow provide cover for them, and

554
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,680
they could speak in secrecy, but it does nothing except

555
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,759
put leaves in her face, and it's really funny to me.

556
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:39,960
So Caan explains that he's got powerful enemies and they

557
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,079
may be watching, and in mind settence, he stops and

558
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:44,359
just looks at her and says, my god, you're attractive.

559
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:48,400
It's his delivery. It's ridiculous, but it's really funny to me.

560
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,920
And suddenly he looks up at the moon and says,

561
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,440
it's late. I must go. He climbs up onto the

562
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:55,839
railing of this casito patio, it just jumps off, disappearing

563
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,480
in the bushes. And it's supposed to be this kind

564
00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:02,400
of romantic, adventurous moment as he just disappears into the night.

565
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:05,519
And then Andre reappears on the patio with Franny and

566
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:09,039
asks if the Prince has gone, and she already quite

567
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:12,319
taken with Michael Kain, insists that Andre tell her where

568
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,960
Cain lives, and Andre pushes her again into one of

569
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:18,440
the plants to have a secret conversation. Andre says, there

570
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,920
may also be an emotional risk. You see, the Prince

571
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,160
has been a widower for five years, so he's just

572
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,799
laying all the foundation to get hurt kind of seduce

573
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,319
her for Michael Kine. Now Franny really sees her opening

574
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,559
and it cuts to a bedroom of course, with both

575
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,960
Michael Cain and Franny in it, and she's giving him

576
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:40,119
her jewels to support his so called freedom fighters. So

577
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,799
it's over the top, it's melodramatic, it's funny. It sets

578
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,519
the tone and here we're off. It does establish Michael

579
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:52,279
Kaine's character as Lawrence Jamison, this professional con man playing

580
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,440
the role of this deposed prince, and he has not

581
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,759
establishes that he has an accomplice in an inspector Andre

582
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,839
and that they're conning rich women in the south of France.

583
00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:07,279
And I enjoy this kind of farcicle, over the top

584
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:10,920
type of comedy. It's just something that plays into my sensibility.

585
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,920
So I found that opening scene pretty funny.

586
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: What I do like about the con is when Michael

587
00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:20,200
Kaine's character, Lawrence comes over and sits down at the

588
00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:22,920
roulette table and waits for Fanny to make a bet,

589
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,160
and then he puts his chips on the same number,

590
00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:26,960
and I was like, all right, that's good. I like

591
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:27,920
that kind of smooth.

592
00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: It's a nice move to draw attention to himself and

593
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,400
almost immediately ingratiate himself.

594
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,759
Speaker 2: And we talked about this before and I couldn't believe

595
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:41,119
how much Barbara Harris, who plays Fanny, reminds me of

596
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,359
a poor woman's Madaline con.

597
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,599
Speaker 3: You can't help me make it.

598
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if she was still alive then, but yeah,

599
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:51,799
I was like, she should have had that role. Yeah, yeah,

600
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:53,640
but then you would have to give her a bigger part.

601
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,920
And of course because it's Madeline Cohn.

602
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: So I guess we're rolling right into my next scene.

603
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: Then, yeah, Jason, keep going next favorites for me?

604
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,759
Speaker 3: All right, this is rueprecked. Got to talk about Rutepreck

605
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,960
banging the pot. So at this point, Michael Kain has

606
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,759
taken Steve Martin under his wing. He's trained him as

607
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:15,200
a more slick con man. And to Bill's credit, he

608
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:19,079
does not play a slick con in the Seed at all,

609
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:23,000
not a professional, classy, polished con man. Instead, he's taking

610
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,119
on quite a wild character. But we do know that

611
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,359
Michael Kain has mentored him in the ways of class

612
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:31,000
and elegance and more refined approach to being confidence man.

613
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:34,440
And now they are part nerving up to con these

614
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,559
rich women. So the setup is that Michael Kaine is

615
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:41,240
Lawrence plays his role as the exiled prince and he

616
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,200
cons these women out of their riches, but the women

617
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,559
tend to get attached to him, so he has to

618
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:48,559
find a way to get rid of them. So they

619
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:50,839
come up with the premise that Lawrence has a brother

620
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:54,839
named Ruprect, who is actually Freddie Benson played by Steve Martin,

621
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,240
and supposedly Ruprecked, his younger brother travels everywhere with him,

622
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,119
and let's just Rueprect has issues and he's kept locked

623
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,240
up in this basement room at Michael Kaye's villa, and

624
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,359
he's clearly a bit mentally challenged, and he's prone to

625
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:16,160
physical and verbal obnoxious outbursts and also harming himself. So

626
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,119
Lawrence brings this woman from Oklahoma that he has conned

627
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,880
down to the basement to introduce her to Ruprect, and

628
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,400
this is going to be his way of getting rid

629
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,319
of this woman's you see. So we see as they

630
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,039
enter into this locked room, we see Martin sitting on

631
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:37,519
a bed, just having been banging on a pot, just randomly.

632
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:39,920
It's just really right. And Martin's sitting on this bed

633
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,160
and we can immediately see he's basically acting like a child.

634
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,799
He's wearing this brown suit jacket and pants that are

635
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:46,799
a little too small. He's got a bow tie on,

636
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:50,160
his hair is slicked back, and immediately Michael Kane goes

637
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,519
over to him and says, cudley, cudly to hug him.

638
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:54,799
And we're like, oh, okay, he's very much has the

639
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:58,359
mind of a child, this Ruepreck character. And Ruprect hugs

640
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,359
Lawrence and drags him down onto the bed and rolls around,

641
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:04,799
and of course Michael Kain has to push him off.

642
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,160
And this woman is looking on and she's just innocent

643
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,759
to this. She's just so confused thinking she is about

644
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,799
to engage this romance with this prince and here she's

645
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:17,200
being introduced to this ridiculous brother of his, and she's

646
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,680
watching the whole thing play out in this room. It's great.

647
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:21,839
Not only is there a bed and there's like a

648
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,519
kitchen with the pots and pans and such, but there's

649
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,240
a toilet just sitting there out in the open. And

650
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:31,039
that's when now Michael Kain introduces Ruprect officially to this

651
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:34,599
woman from Oklahoma. And what does Steve Martin say here?

652
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:40,240
As Ruprect to this woman Molu as sumes that this

653
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:44,279
woman is his mother Mulu, No, not mother, but this

654
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,680
is Miss Trumble from Oklahoma, and Michael Kaine says that

655
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:50,599
Miss Trumble and I are to be married and we're

656
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:53,519
going to live in Oklahoma. And this does not please Ruprect,

657
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:56,000
who is clearly very attached to his brother and possessive

658
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,000
of his brother. Ruprec starts knocking vases off of a shelf,

659
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:03,279
breaking them one by one. Kane admonishes him and says

660
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:05,640
stop it, which he does, and says, what did we

661
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,680
do when you acted out the last time when Uncle

662
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,559
Ted was here? And immediately Ruprec puts on a rubber

663
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:13,320
glove and starts putting lotion on it, which is really

664
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,000
gross but funny at the same time. It's really disturbing,

665
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,440
but it's got funny to me. Michael Kaine says, no, no, no, no,

666
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:23,599
not that we apologize. So Ruprect goes over to this woman,

667
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,079
gives her a really awkward hug and gets a little

668
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:28,719
too grabby and almost drags her to the ground, basically

669
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,559
does tackle her, drags her to the ground, and Cain

670
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,360
yells at him says, ruprecked, do you want the genital cuff? Oh?

671
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,679
My god, so it's really disturbing. So he pulls off

672
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,599
that the woman. He gets off of her, and Michael

673
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,679
Kaine goes over to Steve Martin's ruepractice says, don't worry,

674
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:48,800
we won't go anywhere without you, and that, of course

675
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,440
is all for the woman to hear it. So she's

676
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:54,119
freaked out, thinking, oh my god, this crazy brother of

677
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:56,519
Michael Kain's is now going to be part of our family,

678
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:59,840
traveling with us whatever it is. And she's not having it.

679
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,039
But Ruprec's all excited and starts banging the pot again

680
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:06,800
with a spoon, repeating Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oh, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, just

681
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,119
over and over again. Lawrence says to the woman, Miss Trumble,

682
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,679
He's gonna love Oklahoma's wide open spaces. He loves to

683
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,639
run and run and run right, and Miss Trumble is

684
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,159
just looking on in horror, so we know that, of

685
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,280
course Miss Trumble's not going to have any of it,

686
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,679
and thus this part of the con will work and

687
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,800
Michael Kine will get rid of her and they'll move

688
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,559
on to the next woman. It's one of the memorable scenes,

689
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:33,320
no question, from this movie, because Steve Martin is so

690
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,000
over the top and ridiculous, And now after your commentary,

691
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,239
Bill Bann, I do agree with you. It doesn't quite

692
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,239
make sense after he'd gone through all the training to

693
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,039
be this polished con man that now he's been reduced

694
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:46,440
to this goofy brother. But I think part of the

695
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:49,519
point of that is that Michael Kaine's making him do

696
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,599
this in order to get him to leave. He wants

697
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,599
him to leave, he doesn't. He's kind of like playing

698
00:35:56,639 --> 00:36:01,960
this idiot brother who's subservient and kind of below Lawrence,

699
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,880
and eventually, hopefully Steve Martin would get sick of doing

700
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,119
that and then just be done and leave. And that's

701
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:09,719
really what Michael Kaine's objective is here. He never really

702
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,760
wanted Steve Martin to be his partner. I think that's

703
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,199
part of what's happening here. But I do agree with you.

704
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,880
It's kind of like we watched him go through all

705
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,960
the training and then now he's just reduced to playing

706
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,639
this rup wreck character. But regardless, this scene to me

707
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,679
is hilarious. Steve Martin really going for it, really going

708
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,159
for it. It still made me laugh out loud. I

709
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,719
didn't know if I would enjoy this scene again because

710
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,440
it is so ridiculous. But I really admire Steve Martin

711
00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:38,880
for not holding back. He lets go completely. So maybe

712
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,519
it's just the actor in me that respects him for

713
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:44,599
that in this scene, and he's doing that voice so

714
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:49,320
that Bill Bant is doing the perfect impersonation of thank you,

715
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,599
which is just part of it. So I do like

716
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:53,239
this scene a lot.

717
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: Thinking about that scene, I think if I was on

718
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,840
set and I'm directing it and I'm basically telling Steve

719
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,760
Martin just to go oh, I think I would have

720
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:06,280
actually found it funnier watching it live and seeing how

721
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,599
Michael Kane and Megan Fay, who's playing this trumbull try

722
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:14,320
not to break character, watching Martin Dowis thing that would

723
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,719
be hilarious. But like I said, it's a ridiculous character.

724
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:21,360
To me, it's almost too unbelievable. I don't think I

725
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,639
would believe it, right. Yeah, And is Michael Kain still

726
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:28,920
playing the Prince? Because you said that he is still

727
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,400
playing the prince character in this con. I didn't pick

728
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,239
up on that, and that's why I was kind of like,

729
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,519
all right to totally shift gears with this new con.

730
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,960
And how does this start? How is he getting these

731
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,079
women so he's still under the pretense that he's a prince.

732
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,639
Speaker 3: That's what I thought. But now that you say that,

733
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,840
I could be wrong. Regardless, I mean, he's conning rich supposedly,

734
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,360
he's he finds the rich corrupt women, that's his code,

735
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,199
and he cons them out of their jewelry and riches

736
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,039
and money and so. But of course because he seduces

737
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:06,679
them along the Cohn, they become attached to them and

738
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,480
to him, and of course he can't have that. He

739
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:10,880
has to get rid of them, thus introducing them to

740
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,719
ruprect and then they get upset and leave. So I

741
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,039
still thought like that was just his thing, like he

742
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:22,440
just continually. But if he's supposed to be this exiled prince,

743
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,559
I guess he wouldn't be engaging in a long term

744
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:29,159
relationship with women. He would be more undercover and covert.

745
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:32,519
So maybe he's not playing the prince. I could be wrong.

746
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,880
I don't know. Is he who do you think he is? Then?

747
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: Is he just.

748
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,639
Speaker 3: Supposed to be?

749
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if he's doing a whole different character. But

750
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,800
then I'm trying to figure out how he's getting the women.

751
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,840
So what's the new con then, right, because how's he

752
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,280
getting the women's money and then kicking them to the curb.

753
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:55,880
So I started overthinking it, and that's when I was

754
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,119
saying to myself, this isn't working for me.

755
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: Right, understood, Okay, fair enough.

756
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,599
Speaker 2: I was too busy doing a deep dive. I should

757
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,559
have just been watching what's on the surface and just

758
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:08,440
went that route.

759
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 3: Well, see, that's that's the thing, and that's where we're

760
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,679
I think telling our listeners here is that if you

761
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,480
do think about it too much, it's gonna it's gonna

762
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,159
fall apart right a little bit. Because if that did

763
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,480
definitely cross my mind, I was like, wait, okay, so

764
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:23,880
he's still doing the same con. That's his con, that's

765
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,440
his hick. That's all that Michael Kaine will do. We

766
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:28,519
see then he takes on a different character in the

767
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:32,119
second half, but I thought this is his main, main

768
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,760
con that he runs as this exile prince.

769
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,199
Speaker 2: But anyway, right, because if his whole goal is okay,

770
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,079
I'm going to teach Freddy so he doesn't rat me out,

771
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:46,519
and now I'm going to use him to my advantage. Right,

772
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,000
I want to know what the con is, sure, I

773
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:51,920
want to know what the full con is, or at

774
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,599
least get explained to me at some point. So then

775
00:39:54,639 --> 00:40:00,320
I understand, and I'm just kind of watching the end result. Yeah,

776
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:04,199
I want to see the process, like you correct, right,

777
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,599
I like seeing the whole process, and here I'm only

778
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:11,039
getting the end process, the end result.

779
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,679
Speaker 3: All right. Well again, some of this you just gotta

780
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,559
go with. It either works for you or it doesn't.

781
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:19,800
So I'm gonna keep.

782
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 2: Going, Pat, Jason, keep going, still on you.

783
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,039
Speaker 3: Here's my last final favorite scene. I call it Freddy

784
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:29,239
explains his trauma to Janet. All right, So now we're

785
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,880
into the beginning of the second half, if you will,

786
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,360
of the movie, where Janet Colgate has appeared on the scene.

787
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:39,119
She's been labeled the soap queen. I'll admit I had

788
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:41,760
some confusion about which I'll bring up I think a

789
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,079
little bit later. But we find out that she's one

790
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,320
kind of competition, a detergent. It was having to do

791
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,880
with detergent that she either bought and she entered this

792
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,760
competition and she won, and she won this trip to

793
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,360
the south of France with all the amenities. And she

794
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,599
has now become the mark for both Freddie Benson and

795
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:05,320
Lawrence Jamison because Lawrence and Freddy have made a gentleman's

796
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,280
bet that because they both agree that they can't coexist

797
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,320
in the South of France doing their cons so they're

798
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,320
going to see who's will be the first to con

799
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,679
this particular woman out of fifty thousand dollars, and whomever

800
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,119
wins gets to stay and the loser has to leave

801
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:26,320
leave the South of France permanently. So that's the bet,

802
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,039
and they happen upon Janet Colgate, who looks like the

803
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:34,960
perfect mark. So that's the setup there, and now the

804
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,000
action starts once again at the roulette table, which I

805
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:40,440
liked is kind of a callback to the opening scene

806
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,239
with Fanny. And at the roulette table we see Janet

807
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:47,559
playing roulette, and now Kin is about to engage his

808
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,920
usual con as you know, as we saw play out

809
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,320
in the beginning, and places his bet alongside Janet. But

810
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,840
then who interrupts this scenario that Kin is trying to

811
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,519
engage in Freddy of course, and he rolls up to

812
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:07,159
the roulette table in a wheelchair and he's wearing a

813
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,440
naval uniform, so he's playing a navy officer who is

814
00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:15,679
paralyzed from the waist down and when he comes through

815
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,639
the crowd, he's already bumping into people, and then it

816
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:20,760
comes up to the table and bumps into the table

817
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,280
and he places his bet alongside Janet and he loses,

818
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,239
and then he tries to pawn off one of his

819
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,360
medals from his jacket and they won't accept it as collateral,

820
00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:39,559
so he leaves dejected. It is absolutely hilarious to me

821
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,239
because not then he's got to turn his wheelchair around

822
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,800
and leave the table, and he bangs into Michael Kaine's

823
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,480
chair like five times in a row, and it just

824
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:51,239
never gets old for me. I was laughing out loud

825
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:54,599
because you can see in Michael Kaine's performance, like I mentioned,

826
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:58,119
he's so controlled and understated that he's still he's already

827
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,440
frustrated that Freddy has interrupted his con at this point,

828
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,440
and now that on top of it, it's pouring salt

829
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,400
in the wound because Freddy keeps banging into his chair

830
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:13,119
with his wheelchair. So Freddie wheels out of the casino.

831
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:17,920
Janet witnesses this and just is immediately so sympathetic towards him.

832
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,800
He just runs after him. But Janet is following Freddy

833
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,000
in the wheelchair. Freddie gives her this spiel about having

834
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,159
to pay for an operation for his grandmother, and that's

835
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,920
been his con throughout the film, so we recognize that

836
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:35,039
and she immediately falls for it and gives him ten

837
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:38,960
thousand francs, which is two thousand dollars for his grandmother's

838
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,719
operation that she needs. But we know that Freddy's got

839
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,519
to get fifty thousand dollars out of her two thousand's

840
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:47,119
not going to do it, so it's like, what's the

841
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,440
play here. Well, it turns out that she plays right

842
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,440
into his hand because now they're sitting at a table

843
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:58,840
enjoying a drink, and she asks if an operation would

844
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,800
help him with his physical disability, and he goes on

845
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,559
to say his ailment isn't physical, that it's emotional, that

846
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:11,320
he's on six weeks MTL Mental Trauma ly from the Navy,

847
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,199
and then he goes into this story and this is

848
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,960
just my favorite because this is his SOB story, his con.

849
00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:21,559
He says, I was engaged to a girl back in

850
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,800
the States, and we love to dance. We wanted to

851
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,760
be professionals, isn't that silly? And we got an opportunity

852
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,800
to compete on TV on Dance USA, so we agreed

853
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,719
that if we won, we get married. So we went

854
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,280
on and we danced and we won. Janet says, that's great,

855
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,840
and he goes on and says, and in the excitement,

856
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,440
we got separated. So I went back to the studio

857
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,840
and there there they were naked dancing, and then they

858
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,760
stopped and they made love right there on the floor,

859
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:50,719
and Jenn's like, who was she with? Freddy says, Danny

860
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,079
Terrio flows to dance USA and he goes out to

861
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:57,760
say that then after this woman that he had fallen

862
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,599
in love with was about to marry, cheated on him

863
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,239
right and there next morning he woke up and his

864
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:08,079
legs were useless, he couldn't walk. So he's supposedly suffering

865
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:11,800
for this like psycholic somatic sort of paralyzing thing. And

866
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,719
she says, there must be someone who can help him

867
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,440
with this mental issue, this mental block and emotional problem

868
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,559
that he has. And he says, there is a psychiatrist

869
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:24,199
named doctor Emil Schuffausen of the Schufausen Clinic in Liechtenstein.

870
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:26,920
But of course, how much would it cost to get

871
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,800
doctor Emil Schufausen's help exactly fifty thousand dollars And she says, yeah,

872
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,440
that's a lot of money, and then Freddy looks off

873
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,760
and he sees a couple dancing romantically on the floor

874
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,880
in the background, and he loses it. They're dancing, Oh god,

875
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,360
oh no, and she has to wheel him out of

876
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,079
the restaurant and he's just losing it and just overly emotional,

877
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,599
and she says she's going to write to doctor Schufausen

878
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,639
right away on his behalf. And what's great here is

879
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:58,159
that we see off to the side that Inspector Andre

880
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,800
has been there the whole time, eavesdropping and taking notes.

881
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,639
He was listening to the conversation, so he heard what

882
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,480
Steve Martin's Cohn was going to be, and then of

883
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:08,400
course we know he's going to feed that information to

884
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,119
Lawrence Michael Kaine's character, and Michael Kaine will use that,

885
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:15,159
but Steve Martin just really playing it up, and that's

886
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,280
ridiculous story. I like Glenn Headley's performance in the scene

887
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,840
because she's so kind of like, oh wow, listening to

888
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,360
it and really playing it as if she's really sympathizing

889
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,400
with him, and it just has a really genuine natural response.

890
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,119
So I appreciate that. And Steve Martin's facial expressions, his

891
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,440
physicality using the wheelchair to get that sympathy. Really funny stuff,

892
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,800
So makes me laugh at that every time.

893
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot watching this what his play was going

894
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:45,239
to be to try to get the money and what

895
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,599
he showed up the wheelchair to make me chuckle. And

896
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,960
what I do like about the second half of the

897
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,760
film is every time you think one of the two

898
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:58,719
has the upper hand, the other one figures out another

899
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,320
way to get back in.

900
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 3: Right, they weasel their way in.

901
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lawrence is doing his casino bit, and then here

902
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,519
comes Steve Martin is Freddy and literally puts himself in

903
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:12,320
between Janet and Lawrence, and Lawrence can't do anything about

904
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,480
it because it's going to make him look like an asshole.

905
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,400
And then he has no chance, so he's got to

906
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,920
play along.

907
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:20,559
Speaker 3: Right.

908
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 2: So it's just stuff that happens throughout the second half

909
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,840
of the movie that made me smile. It's like, Okay,

910
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,719
this is clever. I like Kelly did that.

911
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,119
Speaker 3: Well we can agree on that.

912
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're on the same page or something there. All right,

913
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,719
So finally I get to talk about some of my

914
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,000
favorite scenes because, like I said, I like the second

915
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,239
half of the movie. Second half of the movie works

916
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,840
for me. So Freddie tells Janet the story and she

917
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,400
says she's going to write a letter to doctor Emil.

918
00:47:48,679 --> 00:47:50,760
So she goes down to the lobby to Mallet, and

919
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,960
all of a sudden she hears someone paging doctor Emil Cholfausen, Cholfausen.

920
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,920
She's like, he's actually here, and doctor Emil, of course

921
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,559
is played by Michael Kine and he's taken on the

922
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:06,559
character and she explains what's going on, and he tells

923
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:09,199
her he's on vacation. I really shouldn't take the case,

924
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:14,599
but she begs him, please, please please, and doctor Emil, okay,

925
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:16,760
let me look at him. So they go back up

926
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,559
to Janet's room. Or Steve Martin's all excited because thinks

927
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:21,920
he's gonna win this bet, and Janet calls for him.

928
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,559
Martin jumps back into the wheelchair wheels out, and Janet's like,

929
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:30,079
got a big surprise for you. Never gonna believe who

930
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,920
I met. Freddy has no idea because he's made up

931
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:38,360
the psychiatrist doctor Emil, And sure enough, Janet opens the

932
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,880
door and there's Michael Kaine saying that he's doctor Emil,

933
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:46,199
and Steve Martin can't say anything because he knows that

934
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,760
he's going to have to give up his con also,

935
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,719
so Lawrence knows he's got Freddy by the balls and

936
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,679
he's gonna play with him a little bit, and he

937
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,000
wants to do a quick examination of Freddy, and he

938
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:02,119
takes off freddy shoes and tries to tickle his feet,

939
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,440
and he says to Freddie, do you feel anything? And Freddie,

940
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:09,079
Steve Martin is able to withstand the tickle. He goes, no, no,

941
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:13,719
not a thing. Okay, let's try something else. Doctor Emil

942
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,320
grabs basically a rod, almost like a bamboo stick and

943
00:49:17,679 --> 00:49:22,920
smacks Steve Martin Freddie in the leg and hell, yeah,

944
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:26,280
that would be pretty painful. And somehow Freddy is able

945
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,719
to withstand the smack, but you can see it all

946
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,239
on his face. It hurts, and unfortunately I can't visually

947
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,599
express that. And Lawrence asked him, did you feel that?

948
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,119
And Freddie's response says no, no, no, So Lawrence tries again,

949
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:44,159
hits him a little bit harder. Freddie still responds doesn't

950
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:48,039
feel anything. That Lawrence goes across to the other side

951
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:51,480
of the suite and with a running start, runs at

952
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:57,159
Freddy and wraps him across the legs, Oh my god,

953
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,239
I can only imagine how paper that would be. And

954
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,800
then he asks Freddy, did you feel that? And Freddie

955
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,360
is doing everything he can not to give away the can.

956
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,519
He's got his fingers pressed against his forehead and he's

957
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:13,119
just acting like he's thinking about it, and he just

958
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:17,000
keeps saying nope, nope, not at all. And at that point,

959
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,239
Lawrence doctor Emil, decides that he will take him on

960
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,360
as a patient and that they'll bring him to his

961
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,119
house and they will do further research. And at that

962
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:28,800
point Freddy knows he is screwed and gets another wrap

963
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,079
by Lawrence, and we have a close up of Freddy's

964
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:36,159
face and tears are just running down it, and Janek's

965
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:40,360
all excited. She's thinking, Freddy, he's so happy. He's crying,

966
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:43,280
and of course we as the audience know they're tears

967
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,000
of pain and not tears of joy. And now Freddie

968
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,760
needs to figure out how he's going to get out

969
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,679
of this one, because he definitely knows that Lawrence has

970
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,119
the upper hand. So this, for me, is the funniest

971
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:55,840
scene of the movie. This scene may crack up because

972
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,840
I have no idea how you would stand that pain.

973
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,719
I can only imagine how much that would hurt as

974
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,639
one tough con artist.

975
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: To me, Yeah, this is again one of the highlights

976
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,320
of the film, and I was tempted to mention it

977
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,840
in my earliest memories. I'm glad we're talking about it now.

978
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:14,360
So the root precked banging on the pots and this

979
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:18,480
particular scene with that flower rod that Kane is whipping

980
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:21,519
him with, that are the most memorable scenes when I

981
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:23,480
think of this movie, I think of those two scenes

982
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:26,400
first off. And so I'm glad you broke this one

983
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,880
down because it cracks me up. I remember how Michael

984
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,239
Kane escalates the thrashing him with the rod, but I

985
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,039
forgot the moment when he literally goes to the opposite

986
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:39,079
side of the room and then gets a running start

987
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:42,239
and jumps and then gives them a good whack. That

988
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,360
cracked me up. What I really forgot, though, is then

989
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,039
when he's like, oh no, I'll take him on as

990
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:49,880
a patient, and as he's saying that, he just keeps

991
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,079
whipping him. I just I can see it. Yeah, this

992
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:55,519
is really a visual thing here, folks, So do yourself

993
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:57,039
a favor. Look it up on YouTube or what to

994
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,960
watch the scene because Steve Martin's facial expressions are priceless.

995
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:01,800
Like Bill said, when he puts his fingers to his

996
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,280
head and he's just trying to he's soaking up and

997
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,159
digesting the pain, trying not to cry out or yell

998
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:12,159
out or give up that con and it's everything. It

999
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,360
just takes everything he's got not to really burst. But

1000
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,480
the moment at the end when the tears are rolling

1001
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,960
is priceless. It's funny, it's.

1002
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, because there's no way most people could even

1003
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,320
withstand that first hit. You would jerk or shriek. And

1004
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,840
the fact that he doesn't move at all and it's

1005
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,960
just all in his face, that's funny.

1006
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: The looks on his face too, when he knows it's coming,

1007
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,320
because he knows Michaelcaine's really going to lay into him,

1008
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,719
so you know, he's just he's like, oh my god,

1009
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:42,440
I've really screwed myself.

1010
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. The fact his face doesn't express any kind of pain,

1011
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:47,360
that's pretty funny.

1012
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's next, man?

1013
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 2: So next scene me again. Hey, we finally get Freddy

1014
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,719
to walk, and at this part of the movie, they've

1015
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,840
changed the bet, so instead of trying to get money,

1016
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:01,920
they're just trying to get Janet in bed, because Lawrence

1017
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,599
has found out that Janet doesn't really have the money

1018
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,440
that they thought. She's not really a hairess of the

1019
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:13,199
soap magnet. So whoever can get Janet into bed, that's

1020
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,000
the winner of the bet and the loser go home.

1021
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,559
At this point in the con they're just trying to

1022
00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:21,360
somehow get an edge, and Lawrence takes jen out dancing,

1023
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,639
and Freddy is there and Freddie runs into some other officers,

1024
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,280
military officers, probably local I think their navy.

1025
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1026
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,039
Speaker 2: Freddie tells these naval officers that's his ex girlfriend and

1027
00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:38,039
now she's hooking up with this guy. And the naval

1028
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:40,920
officers are getting all upset and they say, we'll take

1029
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,679
care of him for you, and supposedly they grab Lawrence

1030
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,320
and ship him out of the country. Freddie thinks he's

1031
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,079
got his in. Lawrence is not around, so Freddy goes

1032
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:52,039
to Janet's room. It confesses that he loves Janet and

1033
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:55,400
if he knew that Janet loved him back, he might

1034
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,320
be able to walk. So Janet says, you know what,

1035
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,920
I do have feelings for you. I really do think

1036
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,239
I love you Freddie, and Freddie responds, you know, don't

1037
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,480
tease me, because if you do, I'm not going to

1038
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:10,280
be able to walk. And Janet responds, let's try and

1039
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,760
get up, and he gets Freddy to stand and there

1040
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,880
he is a standing and Freddie goes, all right, let

1041
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,360
me try to walk to you, and Jennit responds, okay,

1042
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:24,000
come to me, Come to me, and Freddie keeps going, well,

1043
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,639
go back, go back, go back, go back back, and

1044
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:30,039
he basically has Janet back up to the bed. So

1045
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,920
when he pretends he starts walking to her and he's

1046
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,639
all excited. He ends up landing on top of her,

1047
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:38,480
and this is the point where he thinks he's going

1048
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:40,480
to make love to her and win the bet. And

1049
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:42,840
all of a sudden we hear some clapping and behind

1050
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:48,159
the bedroom door there is Lawrence's doctor, Emil, and Janet says, wow, doctor,

1051
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,679
it's just like you said it was going to happen,

1052
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:54,880
And somehow here he is. Freddie thought he literally got

1053
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,440
rid of Lawrence. He got on a plane and was gone,

1054
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,320
and Lawrence was somehow able to make his way back.

1055
00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:05,760
And now Freddy has shown Janet that he could walk,

1056
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:09,159
and now Lawrence has the upper hand. So I thought

1057
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:12,679
that was funny because it was unexpected. You really thought

1058
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,199
it was Wow, Freddy's gonna somehow win the spet and

1059
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,920
pull it off, But no, that's not how it happened.

1060
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:22,079
And then you find out Lawrence is a Royal Navy

1061
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:25,840
Reserve officer or CON's the other naval officers in the

1062
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,320
thinking that's who he really was.

1063
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,159
Speaker 3: Right, great stuff. I'm glad you brought this up because

1064
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,519
this rolls right into my three quick Michael Kaine moments

1065
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:38,199
from this film, because we know that at this point

1066
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,639
Michael Kain is playing doctor Emil Schufausen, that's his con

1067
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:45,239
and Freddie is playing himself as Freddie Benson, but as

1068
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:50,639
a paralyzed naval officer dealing with his psychosomatic trauma. And

1069
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:55,320
Michael Kaine's approach here with Janet is to convince her

1070
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,239
that he must be brutal with Freddy in order to

1071
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,960
get him to snap out of this emotional trauma. So

1072
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,920
he has to kind of mistreat him, which is part

1073
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,320
of the fun here, and Michael Kin gets a little

1074
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,039
bit of a thrill out of belittling and mistreating Steve

1075
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:13,519
Martin's character. So when they go to that dance club,

1076
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,320
Michael Kain's out there on the dance floor with Janet

1077
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,239
really doing it up right in front of Freddy as

1078
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,159
he's having to look on who's upset for a couple

1079
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:26,960
different reasons. And like you mentioned, behind Freddy sitting at

1080
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,360
the table or the few naval officers watching alongside, and

1081
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:33,199
they sympathize with Freddy, of course. But when Michael Caine

1082
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,639
says to Janet, now come closer, would you mind now

1083
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:41,239
if he learns that he can deal with watching a

1084
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,119
couple on the dance floor being intimate, it'll be better

1085
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:46,639
for him to cope with this. Would it be all

1086
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,639
right if I kissed you? And so they kiss, and

1087
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:52,039
then there's this moment when Michael Kaine just turns his

1088
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,599
face and has this huge smile as he looks at

1089
00:56:55,679 --> 00:56:58,719
Steve Martin because he literally is kind of owning the moment,

1090
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:01,360
not knowing that Stee Martin's got his own thing going

1091
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,480
on with the naval guys behind him. But that moment

1092
00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:07,480
cracked me up. And then you mentioned that, of course

1093
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,679
the bet changes because they know. There's this great moment

1094
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,440
when supposedly doctor Emil Schufhausen, Michael Kaine is talking to

1095
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:18,519
Janet and realizes that yes, she's not an heiress. She

1096
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:21,119
actually just won this competition, and she's giving up all

1097
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:24,320
her belongings and selling everything off just to help Freddy.

1098
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,119
And there's this scene, this moment when Michael Kaine looks

1099
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:31,360
at Janet and realizes she's a decent person and that

1100
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,000
he no longer can con her this way, and his

1101
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:37,599
eyes kind of get watery, like he just can't believe

1102
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:41,280
how good and decent she is. It's a wonderful acting

1103
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,519
moment because he's not saying anything, but you see it

1104
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:47,519
come over his face as if it's Wow, how refreshing

1105
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,639
is this. This is not a corrupt person. This is

1106
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,639
a genuinely good person. So that moment, and then there's

1107
00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:56,400
a moment later on which maybe I'll get to good.

1108
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,840
I'll let you, I'll save that, I'll let you can.

1109
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think just another element of the movie. I

1110
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,320
wouldn't necessarily say it's a scene. It's just really when

1111
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:09,599
we find out that Janet is cotting both Freddy and Lawrence,

1112
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,920
and she sees the two of them are working against

1113
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,079
each other, not together, and she's able to use that

1114
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:19,440
to her advantage by her then running to Lawrence and

1115
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,159
saying that they were going to make love and Freddy

1116
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,880
ended up running off with all our money and everything

1117
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,280
else she owned, and Lawrence feels so bad that he

1118
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,559
reimburses her the fifty thousand, not knowing that he's just

1119
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:34,800
really giving her fifty thousand dollars for nothing. And then

1120
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:38,320
he's so mad at Freddy he's going to have Freddy arrested.

1121
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:41,960
And then Freddy's telling Lawrence, I didn't take anything from her.

1122
00:58:42,159 --> 00:58:45,199
She actually took my stuff. And then they look in

1123
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,519
the bag that Lawrence thought he used to give Janet

1124
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:52,920
the fifty thousand dollars and ends up just being Freddy's clothes,

1125
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:56,679
and then we see the plane take off with Lawrence's money,

1126
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,559
and here's Freddy super pissed that he got conned and

1127
00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:03,599
Lawrence this is exact opposite. He's really impressed. I really

1128
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:05,960
appreciated that, and I thought that was cool that it

1129
00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:08,599
just shows once again the two of them are not

1130
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,960
on the same page, but this house, she was really

1131
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,519
able to play both of them the whole time. I

1132
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:15,239
thought it was cool.

1133
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,599
Speaker 3: I totally agree. Love the twist. I love when she

1134
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:19,400
comes back in at the end and she has a

1135
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,880
brand new accent and character that is totally convincing. Yeah,

1136
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,760
and then she breaks that character to tell them, hey, guys,

1137
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,039
you know I made millions of dollar millions, three million,

1138
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,159
but the fifty thousand I took from you was the

1139
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:34,960
best or something along both lines. And great moment, great

1140
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,360
great moment at the end. But yeah, this brings up

1141
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,440
my third Michael Cain moment real quick because it is

1142
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:45,639
assumed that Freddy has won the bet by sleeping with Janet.

1143
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:50,039
Michael Caine gets the news and he knows that Freddy

1144
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,599
will be coming over to his villa to gloat at

1145
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:56,119
any moment over this win. And this would mean Lawrence

1146
00:59:56,159 --> 00:59:58,559
Michael Kain would have to leave lots at steak here.

1147
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,159
But this is a real actor's moment and I love

1148
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,159
this moment and it's not very long. When Michael Caine

1149
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,440
as Lawrence gathers himself and he's at the mantle at

1150
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,119
the fireplace since like the afternoon, and he's waiting for

1151
01:00:12,159 --> 01:00:14,760
Steve Martin to come to the door, and he does

1152
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,320
his pose as a gentleman, as a professional. He puts

1153
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,960
his arm up on the mantle and kind of puts

1154
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:21,760
his hand in his pocket, and he does this thing

1155
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,880
with his face where you can see different emotions, different

1156
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,880
levels where it's well, he knows he's lost, he knows

1157
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,360
he's going to have to leave, but he has to

1158
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,360
accept it, and he's going to do it as a gentleman.

1159
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,159
You see it all in his eyes, in his face,

1160
01:00:33,199 --> 01:00:35,480
and he's just he's a little stoic at the same time.

1161
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:37,400
I just love that moment. And of course it's not

1162
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:40,320
Freddy that shows up at the door, it's actually Janet.

1163
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 2: Great moment, right, yeah, because throughout the film, Lawrence doesn't

1164
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:48,800
underestimate Freddy, but then he eventually does some regrets doing that,

1165
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:51,840
especially when he thought he had everything in the bank.

1166
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't he he has a line to that effect,

1167
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,960
doesn't he say the student has become the teacher or

1168
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,960
something that way along those lines.

1169
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's move on to Swiss Cheese and

1170
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,880
complaints Apartment, And why don't we call it Swiss cheese.

1171
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 3: Because although this movie is delicious, it does have holes.

1172
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,599
Speaker 2: And it doesn't have any of those holes. We just

1173
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:19,400
file a complaint with the complate department. So what do

1174
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,199
you have? Do you have any Swiss cheese or complaints

1175
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:21,519
this here?

1176
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, just little nitpicky things. Always. I was just kind

1177
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:29,159
of confused watching every time Freddy goes out as this

1178
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,719
naval officer, he's wearing his naval uniform even though he's

1179
01:01:32,719 --> 01:01:35,760
on what he calls MTL mental trauma leave. Does that

1180
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,760
make sense that every time he goes out he's still

1181
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,960
wearing his uniform. That caught my eye this time, Like,

1182
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,280
why not just dressed in civilian clothes if you're on leave?

1183
01:01:44,639 --> 01:01:48,239
Speaker 2: Right, that does make sense. He doesn't have to be

1184
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,440
dressed like that all the time. It's kind of funny,

1185
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,719
it's part of the con but when you think about it,

1186
01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:56,360
he doesn't be wearing that every time he's out.

1187
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:57,039
Speaker 3: Right.

1188
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of clothing choices, Steve Martin's bathing suit, what

1189
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,559
the hell is that? I get it. They're in the

1190
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:08,840
French riviera. I do not need to see that, and

1191
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,639
I'm expecting him to break out and sing word up.

1192
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 3: The speedo, the banana hammock.

1193
01:02:13,519 --> 01:02:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, it was.

1194
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:20,079
Speaker 3: It was a bit revealing. Hey, if oh I put

1195
01:02:20,119 --> 01:02:21,679
I think Anton's in the name of the actor? Is

1196
01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:23,920
it Andrea or Anton the police inspector?

1197
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 2: It's Andre Anton's the actor.

1198
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,719
Speaker 3: Okay, right, Okay? I was like, have I been saying

1199
01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:30,119
the character's name wrong the whole time?

1200
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:31,639
Speaker 2: No, I think you've got it right.

1201
01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:34,559
Speaker 3: Okay, So if Andre works for the police, he is

1202
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:37,960
the chief, like an inspector, things must be pretty slow

1203
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:40,800
in Beaumont, Sir Mary, as far as crime goes, like,

1204
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,480
because he's always there helping Lawrence.

1205
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it comes off as a high

1206
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,440
crime area, right. I think he's got a pretty cuss

1207
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,400
shob and now he's making a little money, got a

1208
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,800
side hustle. He must be doing pretty well.

1209
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 3: Plenty of free time. Yeah, that just jumped out to me.

1210
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,599
It was like i'd understand if he was like maybe

1211
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:03,320
a lower level police officer in the town that was

1212
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,239
on Lawrence's payroll. Yeah, but he's like the maze, he's

1213
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,440
like the chief of police. It's just got to it's

1214
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,039
really funny. It is funny. It's not a big deal,

1215
01:03:12,039 --> 01:03:14,320
but it's just got a nipicky things like, Wow, not

1216
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,119
a lot else going on in Beaumont soux Meyer for

1217
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:20,320
him to be worried about.

1218
01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:21,599
Speaker 2: Here's a complaint.

1219
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1220
01:03:22,639 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 2: I probably should have said this in my initial thoughts.

1221
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,000
They're at such a beautiful location. This is all shot

1222
01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:33,440
on location, and I felt as if I wasn't there.

1223
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,679
Everything always seemed so cramped or so close. The casino

1224
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,880
is so small. There is that one scene when Freddy

1225
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,119
comes to the villa and is like, my god, this

1226
01:03:43,239 --> 01:03:46,000
is amazing. That's what I want to see. I want

1227
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:48,599
to see how amazing this place is. Part of me

1228
01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:50,360
felt like this should have been a commercial for the

1229
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,320
French Fury of Vie Era or wherever they were. I

1230
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,920
want to go visit that place after seeing that movie.

1231
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:56,840
But I don't get that.

1232
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just didn't take advantage of the setting as

1233
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:01,760
much as interesting.

1234
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, that's what bothered me. I don't know why interesting,

1235
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,880
but yeah, okay, it just fell cramped. It's a valid point,

1236
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:14,639
and they're always at the villa, always at these scenes indoors.

1237
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,599
Everything felt small. You have this beautiful setting, use it,

1238
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:19,280
enhance it.

1239
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, little claustrophobic maybe in some scenes or Yeah, just

1240
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,440
I understand what you're saying.

1241
01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: Because in a way, the location almost sells the con

1242
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:31,280
because here you are as a woman away and you're

1243
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,760
swept away by the landscape, and now this handsome man

1244
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,280
who comes in, who's a prince. It just plays into

1245
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:38,760
the con.

1246
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you wanted him to open it up a little

1247
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,360
bit more. There's even the brief scene that when that

1248
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,320
goofy part when Steve Martin's in the wheelchair and he

1249
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:49,960
goes flying down the stairs, but of course he's faking it,

1250
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,440
but he goes all the way down the stairs and

1251
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,880
lands at the beachhead and it's that little alcove that

1252
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,159
even itself is kind of closed in with the rocks

1253
01:04:58,159 --> 01:05:01,159
on either side. It seems that's interest. I think that's

1254
01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:03,159
a valid point. Now that you say that it didn't

1255
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:05,719
bother me personally, but I now that you say it,

1256
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:06,480
I see it.

1257
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:08,599
Speaker 2: I have some more master shots with the two of

1258
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:12,039
them laying on the beach and then close ups during

1259
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:14,360
their conversations. I want to see it. I want to

1260
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:15,559
see other surroundings.

1261
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that could have added opened it up to a

1262
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:19,960
little more of the romance.

1263
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm never going to be there, so you

1264
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,360
need to do this for me. I have to live

1265
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,280
through these guys.

1266
01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:29,519
Speaker 3: That's valid. That's a good point. This is something that

1267
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,000
it's just nipicing that I got a little confused with it. Okay,

1268
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:35,679
what Janet was doing at first when she was this

1269
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,719
is just kind of on me, but still was confusing

1270
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:41,440
the fact that she was called the soap queen. I

1271
01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:44,920
thought going into that meant she was a soap opera star.

1272
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,639
Speaker 2: Right, that's funny you thought that, but it makes perfect sense.

1273
01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 3: Like she was this flighty actress coming over to you know.

1274
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:56,320
That's was the like, I don't know why, I just

1275
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,800
had that thought in my head, and I was like, oh, no,

1276
01:05:59,519 --> 01:06:03,599
she was dubbed that because they thought initially she was

1277
01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:09,239
the heiress to this laundry detergent fortune. But then of

1278
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,960
course they find out, no, she just won a competition.

1279
01:06:12,239 --> 01:06:15,480
She used a particular laundry detergent to enter the competition

1280
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:19,000
and won it and won that trip. I was just

1281
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:23,480
literally like, who is she again? What is exactly her cover?

1282
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,000
When you hear soap queen, that's what I think, Like

1283
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:28,400
she's a soap like she's been on a soap.

1284
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 2: Well for someone that was on a soap opera, that

1285
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,880
would make sense for you to think that way. So

1286
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:33,440
I get it.

1287
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,079
Speaker 3: I had. I had a moment, a very brief moment.

1288
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,599
Speaker 2: It's still a moment there.

1289
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I miss Port Charles Metro Court Lounge. The only

1290
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,360
other thing I was going to say Bill Bent under

1291
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,639
the category here of complaints is I just want to reiterate,

1292
01:06:50,679 --> 01:06:53,480
I understand the movie stretches the suspension of disbelief here.

1293
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:57,199
It is a comedy. However, it's not about serious working

1294
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,159
conment like the cons themselves. You don't get too much

1295
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:03,440
into the Nedy Grady, which is what I do like

1296
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:08,880
about other serious, not comedic con movies, right, So that

1297
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,920
you kind of have to realize going in is that

1298
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,440
you're going to see some fun cons, but they are

1299
01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:16,400
a little bit on the superficial level. You're not. It

1300
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,119
doesn't get too much into the all the maneuvering in

1301
01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:23,000
different plays that a con man has to make or

1302
01:07:23,079 --> 01:07:24,519
woman right in this case.

1303
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,199
Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on to Hey, it's that actor. So

1304
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,639
the segment with spotlight the character actor you have seen

1305
01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:33,480
in many other films, an actor making their big screen debut,

1306
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,639
or an actor that makes an uncredited cameo. It's Hey,

1307
01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:39,400
it's that actor. Who do we choose this week? Wasn't

1308
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:40,360
a lot to choose from?

1309
01:07:40,679 --> 01:07:44,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I found one that I was She does seem familiar,

1310
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:47,559
and I found her in the cast list and I

1311
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:50,840
was like, yep, that would be a Hey it's that actor.

1312
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,800
So this week we have chosen Francis Conroy, who is

1313
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:59,239
credited as Lady from Palm Beach and it's a brief scene,

1314
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,079
but very fun. She's very good in it. It's mostly

1315
01:08:02,639 --> 01:08:05,440
reactions from her in this scene because it is Freddy

1316
01:08:05,519 --> 01:08:07,920
playing the role of Ruprectic, sitting at the table with

1317
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,199
the cork on the fork and wearing the eyepatch, going

1318
01:08:11,239 --> 01:08:14,000
to the bathroom in his pants, and she freaks out

1319
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,760
watching this ac curb right in front of her. So.

1320
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,840
Francis Conroy is an award winning stage actress. The pale,

1321
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,960
blue eyed Redhead also studied drama at Dickinson College and

1322
01:08:24,039 --> 01:08:27,319
the Juilliard School. She was taught by Theater Great's John

1323
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:31,760
Houseman Marianzeldis. But here's her eighties snapshot. She didn't have

1324
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,680
a lot going on. She does five episodes of a

1325
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,960
mini series called Kennedy in eighty three. She plays a

1326
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,239
waitress in the movie Falling in Love in eighty four.

1327
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,439
She does an episode of the Twilight Zone in eighty six,

1328
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,239
an episode of New Heart in eighty six as well.

1329
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,720
She does episodes of Hill Streets Blues Rhyming Seal Crime

1330
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,199
Story in eighty six and eighty seven, then Dirty Rotten

1331
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:51,119
Scoundrels in eighty eight and Crimes and Misdemeanors. She's in

1332
01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:53,840
that nineteen eighty nine. Her career got a lot more

1333
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,760
interesting after the eighties. She did a number of featured roles,

1334
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:02,600
often as eccentric, often disturbing mothers and matrons. Such movies

1335
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,760
would include Billy Bathgates and Of a Woman Sleepless in Seattle,

1336
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:10,119
The Crucible, Maide in Manhattan, Die Mommy, Die Catwoman, The Aviator,

1337
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,800
Shop Girl, and The Wicker Man. And by the Way,

1338
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:19,880
she's wonderful as the Joker's mother Penny Fleck in Joker,

1339
01:09:20,039 --> 01:09:24,760
starring Joaquin Phoenix. Francis has also appeared several other TV

1340
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,960
series of late, most notably American Horror Story, where she

1341
01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:31,399
earned her fifth and sixth Emmy nomination. She also has

1342
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,279
standout roles and How I Met Your Mother, Arrested Development,

1343
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:39,119
and Dead to Me, all good shows. So Francis Conroy

1344
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:40,960
is our Hey, it's that actor this week.

1345
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I didn't even recognize her. And then

1346
01:09:44,079 --> 01:09:47,159
when I saw the credits, I'm like, wait, wait, wait,

1347
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:50,520
what Jesus, Yeah, I know, yeah, it was definitely one

1348
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,880
of those got right by me totally.

1349
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's very young, honestly.

1350
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent actor's choice. All right, time to move on

1351
01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:01,079
to facts and trivia. What are some facts in trivia

1352
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:03,560
we have from dirty rotten Scoundrels.

1353
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,239
Speaker 3: You'd mentioned this already, but this film is a remake

1354
01:10:06,279 --> 01:10:08,880
of Bedtime Story from nineteen sixty four, which starred David

1355
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,880
Niven and Marlon Brando, and as an homage to his

1356
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,760
friend and childhood hero, Michael Caine deliberately based his look

1357
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,840
and performance on Nivin, who had died five years before

1358
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:20,119
this film was made.

1359
01:10:20,359 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 2: Yes, he does very good. So the entire scene where

1360
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,479
Freddie is in Dale trying to remember Lawrence's name was

1361
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,720
improvised by Steve Martin. Frank Oz was crouched out of

1362
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:33,399
the camera range and tapped actor Anton Rogers on the

1363
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,920
foot to interrupt Martin when Oz felt he had gone

1364
01:10:37,039 --> 01:10:40,000
as far as he could with the improv Love that.

1365
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 3: That's cool. Yeah, that's like when you wish you were

1366
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,640
like on set watching that happen. Yeah, you kind of

1367
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:50,680
related to relate that earlier saying being on set watching

1368
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,399
Steve Martin just do his thing and you know, just

1369
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,479
letting him go. That's obviously one of those moments because

1370
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,119
he's improving that and he's brilliant in that trying to

1371
01:10:59,159 --> 01:10:59,880
come up with the name.

1372
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 2: I might have killed a couple of takes if I

1373
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:02,239
was there.

1374
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,159
Speaker 3: For sure. The nineteen to eight eight version Dirty Ron

1375
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:11,079
Scoundrels underwent casting changes. It started as a possible vehicle

1376
01:11:11,119 --> 01:11:14,960
for Mick Jagger and David Bowie, who approached Dale Laanner

1377
01:11:15,159 --> 01:11:18,279
to write a screenplay for them. Lonner, the writer, suggested

1378
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:21,640
a remake of Bedtime Story, and Lanner acquired the rights

1379
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,159
for the remake, but Bowie and Jagger dropped out to

1380
01:11:24,199 --> 01:11:27,279
do a movie with Martin Scorsese. According to Bowie, they

1381
01:11:27,279 --> 01:11:30,199
were a bit tweezed that we lost out on a

1382
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:31,840
script that could have been reasonably good.

1383
01:11:32,279 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 2: So when Frank Oz first approached to Michael Kaine about

1384
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,079
the movie, he tempted him with the promise of a

1385
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:40,680
cozy villa in the south of France for the three

1386
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,199
month period of the shoot. Once Kin learned that the

1387
01:11:43,319 --> 01:11:47,239
villa on offer happened to be conveniently situated between the

1388
01:11:47,319 --> 01:11:50,960
villas of two old friends, Roger Moore and Leslie Brickis,

1389
01:11:51,039 --> 01:11:53,800
he jumped at the opportunity. And for those of you

1390
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,439
who don't know who Leslie brickis is. He's a film

1391
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,840
writer or songwriter who did some of the songs for

1392
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,279
Willy Wonka and some of the James swond movies.

1393
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 3: Aha, this is kind of interesting to me. When Freddy

1394
01:12:07,039 --> 01:12:10,039
is in the casino wearing that US the Navy uniform,

1395
01:12:10,079 --> 01:12:13,880
he attempts to use a good Conduct medal as collateral

1396
01:12:14,079 --> 01:12:17,760
at the roulette table and the dealer refuses. It turns

1397
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,600
out US military medals are made of low grade metals

1398
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:25,680
like pot metals instead of precious metals, specifically to prevent

1399
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,680
them being sold for cash. US military tradition states that

1400
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,600
the value of the metal is in the action taken

1401
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,760
to earn it, not in the material from which it's assembled.

1402
01:12:35,239 --> 01:12:37,159
I just thought that was kind of interesting, Like they

1403
01:12:37,159 --> 01:12:41,159
purfosely make those metal just out of plane metal instead

1404
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:43,800
of precious metals for that very reason, so they can't

1405
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,119
be sold off. Like that's that's cool.

1406
01:12:46,279 --> 01:12:49,279
Speaker 2: It made a lot of sense. Well, Frank Oz makes

1407
01:12:49,279 --> 01:12:52,039
a cameo in the movie. I honestly have to go

1408
01:12:52,079 --> 01:12:53,640
back and watch it because I think I missed it.

1409
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:54,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.

1410
01:12:54,279 --> 01:12:58,520
Speaker 2: He's the police officer rushing at Freddy when he meets

1411
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,560
Lawrence at the airport near the end of the movie. Yeah,

1412
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:02,800
I gotta go back and check that out.

1413
01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of this is the first movie directed by

1414
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,600
Frank Oz that does not feature puppets.

1415
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's true.

1416
01:13:09,239 --> 01:13:11,199
Speaker 3: I guess at the time it was the first movie

1417
01:13:11,279 --> 01:13:14,479
Yeah anything else again with Frank Osby. This was the

1418
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,840
third of five collaborations of Frank Oz and Steve Martin

1419
01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:21,439
It's Crazy. The others were Bofringer, House Sitter, Little Shop

1420
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,520
of Horrors in the Muppet Movie. That's all I got.

1421
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:28,039
Speaker 2: Let's move on to box office, so Dirty Rotten Scoundrels

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01:13:28,119 --> 01:13:31,520
was released on December fourteenth, nineteen eighty eight, in one

1423
01:13:32,119 --> 01:13:34,920
four hundred and forty six theaters on an estimated budget

1424
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,640
of seven million dollars. It would gross forty two million

1425
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,640
dollars domestically. The movie would debut number five at the

1426
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,439
box office, behind Hits Twins, Rate Man, the Naked Gun,

1427
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,119
and Scrooged. Even though Dirty Rotten Scoundrels would make more

1428
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:50,720
money in its second and third weeks of release, it

1429
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,640
would never rank higher than fifth at the box office.

1430
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,560
It would stay in the top ten for a total

1431
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,800
of seven weeks. Dirty ron Scoundrels would be the twenty

1432
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:03,159
fourth highest gross movie released in nineteen eighty eight, right

1433
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:07,640
behind Biloxi Blues. Moving on to reviews. When growing up

1434
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,600
in the eighties, we would watch at the Movies with

1435
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,039
Geene Cisco and Roger Ebert to hear their reviews and

1436
01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:15,600
watch clips of upcoming movies. Their review of Dirty Rotten

1437
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,520
Scoundrels was split. Gene called the two individual performances by

1438
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,199
Michael Kaine and Steve Martin stuck in a bad script,

1439
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,800
even though their performances were excellent. Roger found the performances

1440
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,800
funny enough to recommend the movie, but found the plot

1441
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,359
to be lacking. Rotten tomatoes because a Tomato Meter score

1442
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:36,119
of eighty nine percent with a Popcorn Meter score of

1443
01:14:36,199 --> 01:14:39,600
eighty four percent. It also has an IMDb rating of

1444
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:44,199
seven point four pretty positive there. So that takes us

1445
01:14:44,199 --> 01:14:46,960
to additional thoughts and questions. What are some additional thoughts

1446
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,159
and questions you have about Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

1447
01:14:50,359 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 3: I have to start with the big one or maybe

1448
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:57,159
obvious one. Yes, just thinking of con artist movies, the

1449
01:14:57,239 --> 01:15:00,359
confidence men or women movies. What do you I think

1450
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,960
is your favorite or what would you say is your

1451
01:15:03,119 --> 01:15:06,600
opinion on the best con artist movie. There's Focus with

1452
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,439
Will Smith and Margo Robbie. I do like that one.

1453
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:13,359
There's this Sting of course, a fish called Wanda Catch

1454
01:15:13,399 --> 01:15:16,800
Me if you Can. Great movie. Great, John Williams score

1455
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,279
to that movie. Match stick Men, The Talented Mister Ripley. Great,

1456
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,279
there is a movie called Confidence. There's the Grifters, American Hustle,

1457
01:15:24,359 --> 01:15:27,720
Six Degrees of Separation, Digstown. And then you can lump

1458
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,479
in films like Ocean's Eleven or like Now You See Me.

1459
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,960
I think of those films as more like heist type

1460
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,840
of films. Anyway, just throwing some some options out there.

1461
01:15:37,279 --> 01:15:38,960
Didn't know what your thoughts would be, you know.

1462
01:15:39,079 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 2: Surprisingly, the first one that popped in my head was

1463
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,600
match stick Men, because I didn't know what to expect

1464
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,159
with that one, and I really did like it. Hey

1465
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:50,760
it's got Sam Rockwell, yeah, of course. And I once

1466
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,720
ran into Alison Lohman, who was in that movie, at

1467
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,600
the supermarket, and she hasn't done anything forever, and I

1468
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,680
really wanted to talk to her, but I don't want

1469
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,000
to be creepy fan guy. I really thought she was

1470
01:16:02,039 --> 01:16:05,279
amazing that yeah, But yeah, back to the Gon movies,

1471
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,319
got to go with the Sting of course, and since

1472
01:16:08,359 --> 01:16:11,800
I love boxing movies, Dickstown is always a fun one

1473
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,199
for me. But everything that you listed, I don't think

1474
01:16:14,199 --> 01:16:16,439
you'd go wrong with really any of those.

1475
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty solid. Some of them I actually haven't seen. Admittedly,

1476
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,840
I'm not a big fan of American Hustle personally, but

1477
01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:26,399
the other ones, these are great movies. The Sting is

1478
01:16:27,079 --> 01:16:31,079
I mean unassailable, right, that's an all timer. I can't

1479
01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:33,359
wait till we talk about a fish called Wanda, that's

1480
01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:36,479
for sure. It's being of great comedies for sure. That

1481
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,119
for me is like I can't wait to just watch

1482
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,079
Kevin Klein in that Now a great movie. I mean,

1483
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:46,000
everybody in that movie's great. Okay, Yeah, what do you got?

1484
01:16:46,039 --> 01:16:47,439
You got some thoughts? Questions?

1485
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually have questions because there is some things

1486
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,840
that I didn't understand. Do we know why Lawrence went

1487
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,319
to Zurich. I don't understand what that was about. But

1488
01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:03,199
we know when he's coming back from Zurich, he runs

1489
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:05,479
in the Freddy, right, that's how they meet. But he

1490
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,359
makes that big statement like it's time to go to Zurich.

1491
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,840
So I'm thinking, is that where the next big con

1492
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,800
is going? To be, but it's not. So why what

1493
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:16,600
did I miss?

1494
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,119
Speaker 3: I agreed that was confusing. I actually went back to

1495
01:17:19,159 --> 01:17:21,399
see because why was he on the train. Where did

1496
01:17:21,399 --> 01:17:23,119
he go? And why did he have to come back?

1497
01:17:23,399 --> 01:17:26,439
So I assume the sole purposes, that's where his bank is,

1498
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,960
that's where he does his banking, that's where he keeps

1499
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,640
all of his money. I mean, that was just it.

1500
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,640
He just had to go make his deposit. Okay, he'd

1501
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,079
done the con within the cold open also with Fanny

1502
01:17:37,159 --> 01:17:41,239
of Omaha, and that's where he does most of his banking, gotcha.

1503
01:17:42,199 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 2: Okay, well, yeah, it's the eighties. He can't do everything electronically,

1504
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:48,520
so I guess he had to physically take it out there.

1505
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,399
Speaker 3: Okay, succeptable, all right, all right, go ahead, yeah, keep

1506
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:53,880
keep rolling, go for it.

1507
01:17:54,039 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 2: And here's my second question. Why would Lawrence withhold money

1508
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,399
from Freddy for the cons to know that he was

1509
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,199
going to piss Freddie off and then Freddie would somehow

1510
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:08,079
seek retribution, which he does. How did he really think

1511
01:18:08,119 --> 01:18:10,399
he was going to work that he was not going

1512
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,920
to give him money? Okay, I taught you, and he

1513
01:18:14,079 --> 01:18:16,840
was going to think he's so smart with how he's

1514
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,319
dealing with Freddy and trying to get rid of him.

1515
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,039
It just felt like that was a dumb move.

1516
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:26,079
Speaker 3: For Lawrence, Right, I see what you're saying, Well, you're

1517
01:18:26,119 --> 01:18:28,920
the opposite of me. That's actually a smart commentary because

1518
01:18:29,319 --> 01:18:31,560
we're made to think as an audience. He does that

1519
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:35,000
with the specific purpose to drive Steve Martin out, so

1520
01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:37,279
if he doesn't pay him, he's like, well, what is

1521
01:18:37,319 --> 01:18:39,239
this worth? I'm doing this for no money and I'm

1522
01:18:39,279 --> 01:18:41,560
being belittled. I have to play this routwreck character that's

1523
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,960
not even what I was groomed for. And I'm out.

1524
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,079
I'm out of here. And he basically says as much.

1525
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:49,560
But then he doesn't leave, of course, because you could

1526
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,520
see the value. But you're right, Michael Caine should have

1527
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:56,439
seen because of Steve Martin's prior actions in the way

1528
01:18:56,439 --> 01:19:00,439
he's been operating, that he would know that, Yeah, Steve

1529
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:04,800
Martin would seek retribution in a different way. He wouldn't

1530
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:05,840
just simply leave.

1531
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 2: Right. Part of me is almost thinking Lawrence could think,

1532
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,399
you know what, I thought he was going to be

1533
01:19:11,399 --> 01:19:14,439
a hindrance, but he's actually a benefit. Maybe I'm making

1534
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,680
more money doing this ruse with him. But the fact

1535
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,640
that he tries to totally cut him off. That's not gonna

1536
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:21,279
work with Freddy.

1537
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gave this movie some thought.

1538
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 1: Man.

1539
01:19:24,039 --> 01:19:26,039
Speaker 3: I was thinking about it a lot too, just on

1540
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:27,479
a think a lighter level.

1541
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: I decided not to do I tried it. Yeah right,

1542
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,520
And that's the thing. It's just it's always weird how

1543
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,880
you approach movies and then we just get a different

1544
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:36,479
read from it.

1545
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah, that's why we do this. It's fun

1546
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:39,159
to talk about.

1547
01:19:39,279 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 2: You know, we'd have twenty people in the room that

1548
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,760
are all gonna say twenty different things.

1549
01:19:43,039 --> 01:19:45,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bill Bant, you don't have to go into detail.

1550
01:19:45,399 --> 01:19:47,640
But I was just curious. Have you ever been the

1551
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,079
victim of a can or a scam?

1552
01:19:50,279 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 2: Luckily no, but I do remember the first time I

1553
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:57,319
got that email from the Jamaican Prints and he has

1554
01:19:57,359 --> 01:19:59,239
all this money, who's going to give to me? I

1555
01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:02,000
remember that and go, what the hell what is this

1556
01:20:02,079 --> 01:20:04,439
all about? Granted, you know, you read it in for

1557
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,800
a second, you're all excited, like, my god, I'm gonna

1558
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:08,600
have all this money, and then you read it again

1559
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,000
and realize, oh, yeah, this is total bullshit. Oh sure,

1560
01:20:12,319 --> 01:20:14,720
it was just so weird. Where is this coming from

1561
01:20:15,039 --> 01:20:16,960
why am I getting this email? Because I got it

1562
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,079
at work when I was with the Dolphins at the time.

1563
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:19,319
Speaker 3: Yep.

1564
01:20:19,399 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I could see why maybe someone

1565
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,840
reached out to me about this. But then you realize

1566
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,640
if something's too good to be true, then it's fake, right,

1567
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,880
you know. Months later it was all over the place.

1568
01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:30,800
But yeah, remember the first time I got that one,

1569
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:35,880
it was excited for five seconds and realizing, oh yeah, bullshit.

1570
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've come close. I know in searching for rental

1571
01:20:41,039 --> 01:20:43,960
problem like when renting looking for an apartment, there's scams

1572
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,520
out there. You can get conned out of money they

1573
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,920
asked for, like a deposit, and disappear if you're not careful. Yeah,

1574
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:54,039
and I have to admit this is tough online dating.

1575
01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 2: Especially now in the day of AI.

1576
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,319
Speaker 3: Be careful. Yeah, it's gotta be so much skin careful. Yeah,

1577
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,680
that's my advice. It's tough because you sift through a

1578
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,800
lot of fake profiles and you reach out and you

1579
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,000
can get strung along and then all of a sudden

1580
01:21:09,119 --> 01:21:12,079
people are asking for money or it can get a

1581
01:21:12,079 --> 01:21:15,720
little crazy. Let's just put it that way. You literally

1582
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,880
have no idea what's real. And yeah, I mean, there's

1583
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:22,039
all kinds of scams out there. But so here's my advice.

1584
01:21:22,399 --> 01:21:24,199
If you think you're getting conned or if you're getting

1585
01:21:24,319 --> 01:21:27,479
you feel something, you just trust your gut and do

1586
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:31,399
the research first, because somebody else probably has been the

1587
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,520
victim and succumbed to this, and so it's out the

1588
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,760
information is out there, and so I've had to do

1589
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:41,439
that where I've just googled it. It's like, oh yeah, okay,

1590
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,479
that's a scam. And then you just now are aware

1591
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:45,680
of the telltale signs.

1592
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:47,520
Speaker 2: And the only time I get an email, the first

1593
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:48,960
thing I have to do is look at the email

1594
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,079
address itself. Oh yeah, so if there's something funny in it,

1595
01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:54,319
then I know right away it's a scam. But now

1596
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:57,239
even with phone calls and most of your phones are

1597
01:21:57,239 --> 01:21:59,800
able to block it, but now they're able to copy

1598
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,720
the companies because I did get one where they supposedly

1599
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,960
use my credit card and luckily on because I was

1600
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:06,520
on my way the airport, I was like, I can't

1601
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:07,720
deal with this right now, I have to call you.

1602
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,439
Back to that point when I was going through my head,

1603
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:12,960
I was like, yeah, something seems kind of off. Let

1604
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:14,960
me look it up. Online and they were like, yeah,

1605
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,199
it's a scam, right. So it's like, oh, yeah, we

1606
01:22:17,239 --> 01:22:19,239
really got to be super super careful. If you're not

1607
01:22:19,319 --> 01:22:22,600
sure with someone calling you, just go I'll call back,

1608
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,520
or its email. Just look at the common thing. Yeah,

1609
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,840
it's wild. Yeah, triple redundancy.

1610
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 3: I always just check it a few times, do your research,

1611
01:22:32,119 --> 01:22:34,399
and like I said, trust your gut. If it feels off,

1612
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:38,279
it's probably off. Anytime anybody asks you for money or

1613
01:22:38,319 --> 01:22:41,079
to spend money, you always ask the questions.

1614
01:22:41,279 --> 01:22:43,119
Speaker 2: I think. The thing that just cracks me up about

1615
01:22:43,159 --> 01:22:45,520
all this, I just think to myself, if they spent

1616
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,359
all this time trying to do this, imagine if they

1617
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:50,600
tried to do stuff for good, how much better we

1618
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,039
would be overall? Oh totally Yeah, you spend all this

1619
01:22:53,079 --> 01:22:55,079
time trying to figure this out. Why don't you do

1620
01:22:55,119 --> 01:22:58,680
something that's helpful for people, right? Trying to scam people?

1621
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:01,760
It's so involved, Yeah, benefit us, not connas.

1622
01:23:02,039 --> 01:23:05,239
Speaker 3: When they play that long con especially, you're like, wow,

1623
01:23:05,399 --> 01:23:09,159
they've invested some real time into this, like an effort,

1624
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:10,520
No kidding.

1625
01:23:10,319 --> 01:23:12,399
Speaker 2: Okay, time to move on to our rating. And here

1626
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:15,359
we go. So on a scale of one to five cons,

1627
01:23:15,399 --> 01:23:17,880
what you give dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

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Speaker 3: Bill Ben. I'm giving this a solid four cons. Four cons. Man,

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it's no surprise. I still love this movie. I laughed

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out loud several times. I love the performances. I find

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Glenn Headley very seductive in this. I think she's also

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very natural performer, so she was a standout. But Michael

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Kine is the pro I always learn from him watching

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him act. I thought the chemistry between Martin and Kin

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was wonderful. I did enjoy the one upsmanship throughout. Is

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it convenient? Yes? Are there too many coincidences? Yes? Is

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it farcicle without a doubt? But I chose not to

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dive too deep. I just enjoyed it on the surface,

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and I found it extremely entertaining, so I'm giving it

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four cons.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of waffling between I'll be honest, two and

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a half and three.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think two and a half stays. I would

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recommend it, but with reservations, it just takes too long

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to get going, and I just want to get to

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the point in the movie where Glenn Headley shows up

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because I want to see the two con artists work

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their magic, and I think that interplay for me, in

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the second half works way better than what happens to

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the first half. Sure, yeah, I mean you mentioned all

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those other con movies before, and I would watch all

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those before, I'd watch this one fair enough, So two.

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Speaker 3: And a half for me, it'll be interesting when we

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watch a fish called Wanda being another kind of con

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men slash comedy. See how that feels, you know, instead

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of versus some of the other films that are you know,

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these confidence men or women films that can be more

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serious and that have real risk happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. If that makes sense, that would be

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a good comparison. That just about does it for this

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week's episode. As always, we appreciate you turning. Don't forget

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rating and drop us a review. Unless you're going to

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blast us, just stop listening. Okay, that's my advice. I

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want to learn more about the show. Of course you do,

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get over to all Gamis Movies podcasts for all the

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rat details. We hope we joined us next time, as

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we dive into another classic from the greatest movie decade

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ever at Maybes till then, Stay cool, Stay retro Later,

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Dudes of.

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Speaker 3: All the lousy. She's disgusting, she's lying, she's deceitful, she's

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two faced, she's conniving, and she's dishonest.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is super wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for staying up with us. Good Night world,