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Speaker 2: lot better than I thought. Anyway. Is the music business
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Speaker 2: How you doing this week? Ben?
Speaker 3: A pair of a little FYI here. I just looked
Speaker 3: it up and apparently John Mears net worth is about
Speaker 3: well seventy five million as of last year, and a
Speaker 3: good person of that is his massive watch collection. But
Speaker 3: Marie in a few stories here lately about the watch
Speaker 3: business and how people get into collecting some of the
Speaker 3: prices that you see on This also is another media update.
Speaker 4: Remember a couple of weeks ago we were.
Speaker 3: Talking about Alex Jones, Oh if they was being bought.
Speaker 3: Apparently at the Good there is a good from the
Speaker 3: Onion to take over Info Wars, and you were wondering
Speaker 3: how the Onion could afford something like that that I'm
Speaker 3: to find out the Onion is backed by Michael Bloomberg.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's news to me. See now, I don't think
Speaker 2: the Onion started out as being backed by Michael Bloomberg.
Speaker 2: But now that makes sense. Now. Another thing just to
Speaker 2: parallel with that story, though real quick, as I was
Speaker 2: going to note, and I forgot to do this during
Speaker 2: my opening, is that the Alex Jones Network is on
Speaker 2: the air, folks, So you know he's out there right now.
Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, his clickbait reads as
Speaker 2: follows before you go into the rest of the story
Speaker 2: about the onion Friday Live, Trump plans to force Zelensky
Speaker 2: to the negotiating table by cutting off arm shipments and
Speaker 2: money to Ukraine. Vladimir Putin responds by warning the deep
Speaker 2: State is planning another assassination attempt against Trump. Must watch
Speaker 2: share live coverage on the Alex Jones Network, according to
Speaker 2: his social media So just telling you guys, it's not
Speaker 2: like Alex Jones went away there. I told you what
Speaker 2: he was gonna do is just jump on over to
Speaker 2: a new, already fashioned network and this one just bears
Speaker 2: his name instead of the Info Wars Moniker or the
Speaker 2: prison Planet thing that he was partnered with somebody else on.
Speaker 2: All that stuff gone, But Alex Jones still a marketable
Speaker 2: name and now it's the Alex Jones Network. So anyway,
Speaker 2: about the Onion though back by Bloomberg that was not
Speaker 2: known to me. Go ahead, tell me more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll turn across it. And this is the story
Speaker 3: from the thirteenth of this month, so it's current and
Speaker 3: apparently it's The headline reads, angry judge questions transparency of
Speaker 3: Onion bid for info ruars. I had heard. I had
Speaker 3: heard that Bloomberg was behind. There's a website out there
Speaker 3: at the tabulates gun violence quote unquote, and they try
Speaker 3: to they're trying to petition for gun law changes and
Speaker 3: things like that. That they've been a little nefarious in
Speaker 3: the way that they do their data. If like, when
Speaker 3: they talk about school shootings. In their database, they list
Speaker 3: an instance where a man in life are having a
Speaker 3: fight and they pulled into a parking lot and the
Speaker 3: fight escalated and one unmitted up shooting the other. Because
Speaker 3: it was in a parking lot adjacent to a school,
Speaker 3: they counted that as a school shooting. So there's I
Speaker 3: can't think of the name, it's my neighborhood or something.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Well, there's a bunch of that's similar. You know,
Speaker 2: our town, USA, I think is the largest anti gun thing.
Speaker 3: That's it. Okay, that's it Bloomberg is behind that as well.
Speaker 3: In a story that I read, but this one, this
Speaker 3: story specifically, the judge says the first state bankruptcy judge
Speaker 3: says he has concerns over the process in which a
Speaker 3: chricual new sight to Onion won an auction for right
Speaker 3: wing provocatory Alex Jones is Info Wars website, So he
Speaker 3: was dissatisfied with the transparency. Is the transparency of the
Speaker 3: Sayer processes. Christopher M. Wempeter said Thursday that he would
Speaker 3: hold it hereing next week to hear concerns and possibly
Speaker 3: to prove the sale of the Info War's asset to
Speaker 3: the website owners. He says, I personally don't care who
Speaker 3: he was an auction or care about the process and transparency.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember who first told me that Bloomberg
Speaker 3: was behind this thing, because I can't find info.
Speaker 4: Quick search and see if I will find out way
Speaker 4: he obtained.
Speaker 2: Well, look, while you're doing your quick search, I remember
Speaker 2: that on the day of the auction, like a couple
Speaker 2: of hours after it was announcer that the Onion had it,
Speaker 2: there was already some people in the Jones organization basically
Speaker 2: saying there's something wrong with this because we had a
Speaker 2: higher bid. There was a group representing Alex Jones' interests,
Speaker 2: you know, partially a new group game together to try
Speaker 2: and you know, like say retain it on his behalf,
Speaker 2: not really him directly, and they were complaining that they
Speaker 2: had placed a hire bid. Then the Onion it looked
Speaker 2: like so it was like, wait a minute, we placed
Speaker 2: a hire bid. How come we didn't win? What is
Speaker 2: the point of bidding? I thought for a moment that
Speaker 2: might have just been sour grapes. But and then I
Speaker 2: waited on the story to develop some more and I
Speaker 2: didn't really see it after that. But then again, I
Speaker 2: haven't been trying to track it hard. I just took
Speaker 2: note that Alex Jones immediately was on x and was
Speaker 2: on various platforms and was out there right away again
Speaker 2: because there was, you know, no interruption in the Alex
Speaker 2: Jones show per se. So I just wanted to make
Speaker 2: that note. I mean, probably a few people are having
Speaker 2: trouble finding where he is now and the Onion, let's see,
Speaker 2: I guess today's thing. I looked at the Blue Sky
Speaker 2: social media platform and they had the Onion had a
Speaker 2: thing out there that said, now there is a law
Speaker 2: in Kentucky or something stating that you have to put
Speaker 2: all the Ten Commandments must be posted inside of every
Speaker 2: woman's womb, you know. And they're making jokes like that
Speaker 2: which are meant to poke fun at the right wing,
Speaker 2: and that's about it. So that's gonna be lame and stupid.
Speaker 2: And unless they do have a angel patron keeping them floating,
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know how the Onion's gonna even
Speaker 2: own that, you know what I mean, or they just gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, sell off all the rest of the assets,
Speaker 2: just claim the website address and then you know, empty
Speaker 2: it out. I don't know. I don't know what they're
Speaker 2: gonna do. But they have already made network that they
Speaker 2: could hand over to somebody, you know, and and really
Speaker 2: give somebody, you know, all the satellite access, all the equipment,
Speaker 2: the buildings, I mean everything. I'm thinking that info Wars
Speaker 2: owned has a serious value, you know, if somebody wants
Speaker 2: to pay the bills on that sucker. I mean, people
Speaker 2: like me would be more than happy to walk into
Speaker 2: the Info War's husk and take it over, you know,
Speaker 2: even if we don't have the website. I would love
Speaker 2: to have the facilities, you know what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 2: you've seen my facilities. They're not very impressive. They're they're functional,
Speaker 2: but I would love to have the equipment that Jones
Speaker 2: had and the resources cameras. Who knows what else went
Speaker 2: along with that. Actually, you know, I don't know all
Speaker 2: of what input War has even owned altogether, but it
Speaker 2: was a long it's supposed to.
Speaker 3: I haven't been able to find a breakdown of everything
Speaker 3: that is included. I don't I don't know that the
Speaker 3: satellite and all that network is included. It's his website.
Speaker 3: I think the actual studios themselves, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: And as a clarification, also, the site that is backed
Speaker 3: by Bloomberg is every Town for Gun Safety, Okay, and
Speaker 3: they're the ones that have been kind of caught finatal
Speaker 3: in their figures when it comes to certain topics, let's say.
Speaker 2: But in fairness, there's about like twenty organizations that have
Speaker 2: a very similar sounding name. I'm just saying every Town USA.
Speaker 2: I know that is one of those names because that's
Speaker 2: the ones I see the commercials from, and that's the
Speaker 2: ones that use the Sandy Hook witnesses and the Parkland
Speaker 2: witnesses in their commercials. But I don't know, maybe some
Speaker 2: of these other ones do too, because it's very easy
Speaker 2: to confuse. You see five seconds later, I guarantee you
Speaker 2: most of my listeners are like, what was the name
Speaker 2: of that organization? Again? Yeah, it's one of those sort
Speaker 2: of sentences, you know, which is meant to be It
Speaker 2: could be anywhere USA, and that's really their their sentiment.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, and not saying I'm on their side
Speaker 2: or anything. I'm just saying I do take notice of that.
Speaker 2: But this is yet another one of those. Okay, fair enough,
Speaker 2: so go ahead. What else do we know about this? Though?
Speaker 2: I mean Bloomberg's backing it because he just owns these
Speaker 2: things or what?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's what I'm trying to determine right now, because
Speaker 3: what browser? That was great until you've got to find something.
Speaker 2: And sounds like that's not a very good ad for
Speaker 2: a browser there, it's great until you got to find something. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, it's not a bad browser which I'm looking
Speaker 2: at and maybe thinking about switch over to. Is called Max.
Speaker 2: Don you ever heard of it?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: It's literally spelled m a x t h O N
Speaker 2: and it looks to me like the kind of browser
Speaker 2: that you know, a lot of them start out keeping
Speaker 2: the ads off of it, and you know, making sure
Speaker 2: that your browsing experience is not being monitored and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. But it looks to me like Max Don
Speaker 2: might be the next wave. And I've been stuck on
Speaker 2: Firefox for over a decade. To be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I love Firefox, and so do some of my listeners.
Speaker 2: According to what I see, those of you that listen
Speaker 2: on PC, A lot of you listen on Firefox browsers.
Speaker 2: So appreciate you anyways. Yeah, anyway, So I hope Duck
Speaker 2: Goho starts to work for you so you can pick
Speaker 2: up this information.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm looking right now. Apparently the latest news I
Speaker 3: can find is is that Bloombirded is not the hind
Speaker 3: the Onion. Apparently Univision owned it for a while. That's
Speaker 3: what I'm looking forward now, it's the sale history of it.
Speaker 2: You know, we need to we need to do an investigation.
Speaker 2: Who owns the Onion?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean there I've listed who owns it, but
Speaker 3: it's a company Tetrahedron. Let's see to the countries based
Speaker 3: Chicago Originated is a weekly print blah blah blah, Madison, Wisconsin,
Speaker 3: and he began publishing online in ninety six. In two thousand,
Speaker 3: it began news, audio and video online as the Onion
Speaker 3: News Network. There was acquired three times, first by Univision
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, which later merged The Onion and it's
Speaker 3: several other publications in the those of Gizmoo Media Group.
Speaker 3: Mission was to sold the nineteen to Great Partners, forming
Speaker 3: a new company, Grmedia. Then they sold it in April
Speaker 3: of this year to Global Tetrahedron really created by former
Speaker 3: Tulio CEO Jeff Lawson, and apparently he revived the print
Speaker 3: edition in August of this year. So I guessed Univisions
Speaker 3: Bloomberg part owner of Univision.
Speaker 2: In which section.
Speaker 3: But to die a little deeper into this thing, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm diving into it.
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of sales for this thing, and
Speaker 2: you know it's started starting in two thousand and three.
Speaker 2: In fact, there's there's a lot of purchases and changing
Speaker 2: of ownership of.
Speaker 4: Somebody, maybe it was Dunbon Gino. On his show, somebody
Speaker 4: made a comment about if I was being sold, and some.
Speaker 3: Other guests asked who was behind it and made the
Speaker 3: comment Bloomberg and Bloomberg was also behind every Town, and
Speaker 3: every Town apparently was putting up a lot of the money.
Speaker 2: Well, just because it was said on Bonagino's show doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily make it true, especially because who knows, you know,
Speaker 2: which guests and why they said it. I mean, and
Speaker 2: I often find that people make these wide sweeping statements,
Speaker 2: you know, like, uh, you know, here's a funny thing.
Speaker 2: What happened to George Soros during this election? I didn't
Speaker 2: hear about him anymore? Right, I mean, there's no more
Speaker 2: Soros influence. Where where'd that hat? Where'd that could go? Guys?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 3: And he really in a bunch of ads when they
Speaker 3: were talking about SALESA prosecutors and that, Well, you.
Speaker 2: See, you were getting swamped with him because the algorithm
Speaker 2: determined that you wanted to hear about Soros, I guess,
Speaker 2: I mean on TV on TV in North Carolina, like
Speaker 2: local TV.
Speaker 3: Yes, the way that Kamala was you know, it was
Speaker 3: supporting all of these solos back prosecutors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, wow, Well look at it this way.
Speaker 2: If that was out there, you know, my apologies because
Speaker 2: I didn't see it. And uh, it wasn't being running
Speaker 2: Georgia that way. It was run another way and Georgia
Speaker 2: And frankly, what a failure there, because if Soros is
Speaker 2: supposed to succeed, you know, how did you even get
Speaker 2: the AOC district to you know, vote for her and
Speaker 2: for Trump simultaneously. Somebody needs to explain that one. Okay,
Speaker 2: so looks to me like, I don't know Soros didn't
Speaker 2: win if he was actually involved. Just saying anyways, my
Speaker 2: point is that a lot of times they make sweeping
Speaker 2: statements about who's behind people, and they're not always true.
Speaker 2: So I'd like to know from a realistic, real world
Speaker 2: point of view, who actually owns this thing? And just
Speaker 2: like usual, quite honestly, it's usually a convoluted answer, right
Speaker 2: where there's some media group that bought it and then
Speaker 2: swept it into something else, and now it's part of
Speaker 2: a family of communication companies, etc. That are actually owned
Speaker 2: by you know, some subsidiary that eventually you find out
Speaker 2: where the main corporation is. But what do you tell
Speaker 2: me what Bloomberg? Okay, the Onion? Who owns the Onion?
Speaker 2: Tell me again.
Speaker 4: It's LLC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see what I mean?
Speaker 3: Five Global Tetrahedron, but am really created by former two
Speaker 3: CEO Jeff Awes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see what I mean though a convoluted company name,
Speaker 2: and see what else Tetrahedron owns. Watching, take a look
Speaker 2: at what else Tetrahedron owns. I mean, it would be
Speaker 2: very very strange if it was a singular LLC that
Speaker 2: was created just for the purposes of obtaining the onion,
Speaker 2: that would be interesting. Uh, But usually it's one of
Speaker 2: these groups that owns a ton of companies, right.
Speaker 3: Tetrahedron dot com.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have to look up what Global Tetrahedron owns
Speaker 2: and controls on the website. Looking cool anyway, Like I said,
Speaker 2: you can join into this conversation or change its direction
Speaker 2: anytime you like. At three one nine five two seven
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Speaker 2: have one of our regular callers who I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: to right away, but I would love to hear from
Speaker 2: some more people. Now, just a quick programming notes. We
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Speaker 2: if we'd like. Uh, you know, and it is okay,
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta somehow get a hold of the
Speaker 2: sound here because apparently somebody, somebody's telling me our sound
Speaker 2: is a little bit too hot, too live. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna try and adjust it a bit anyway, we'll we'll
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Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna go beyond if we don't get
Speaker 2: some new callers, if we don't have a conversation flowing
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Speaker 2: people calling in, I'm not gonna go past ten Why bother? Uh,
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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna look at some other options for controlling
Speaker 2: the sound issue, because should be should be calmed down
Speaker 2: a bit, should not be too damn loud tell you that,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. Apparently it is anyway, Bpete, what
Speaker 2: else have we got here?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: Do we have.
Speaker 2: Any other ideas about what this thing owns?
Speaker 3: This tetrahedron, Well, I'm looking at a tech Oh let's
Speaker 3: I'm looking at a text type right now. Went to
Speaker 3: the tetrahedrons and there's just an opening letter there by
Speaker 3: the owner that says, this is why we decided to go,
Speaker 3: this is why we decided to buy Info Wars. And
Speaker 3: apparently they're buying the supplement business, the studios. I guess
Speaker 3: there's a commun cases network is included. Yeah, see the
Speaker 3: hope will get it.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot to that. As I was saying,
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a bunch of equipment, there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of facilities, there's accounts that go along with that. I'm
Speaker 2: imagining they get whatever social media accounts were only directly
Speaker 2: attached to them, right their channels. All the ownership of
Speaker 2: that stuff needs to go with it. Anything that's been
Speaker 2: branded to it. And a supplement business, well that's one
Speaker 2: of the many supplement businesses that was attached to it
Speaker 2: for Wars, because remember the one his father owned that
Speaker 2: isn't his So that was you know, he was trying
Speaker 2: to shove pull money into that thing when they were
Speaker 2: declaring that they were going to take all this money
Speaker 2: from him. But that was but technically speaking, it's his
Speaker 2: father's company, so who might argue, and so you have
Speaker 2: that that's obviously not part of the deal. And as
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I'm pretty certain he's taking that
Speaker 2: right on over to the new Alex Jones network because
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I saw, you know, support support the
Speaker 2: companies that support us, and one of them is his
Speaker 2: father's company.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see. The brain's behind the new global Tetrahedron
Speaker 3: is Jeff Lawson, who co founded twilerway way back in
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight as a way to help businesses
Speaker 3: easily in good communication features such as SMS and class
Speaker 3: into their apps to an application programming interface. The company
Speaker 3: went public in twenty sixteen at the valuation of more
Speaker 3: than one billion, going on to reach nearly seventy billion
Speaker 3: during the pandemic before seven at the ten billion to
Speaker 3: fifteen big in mark. He's past couple of years lost
Speaker 3: in the man's back in January that he was stepping
Speaker 3: down from Twilio, and he has been on a personal
Speaker 3: goal pursuit as part of a career break since according
Speaker 3: to his sense according to his LinkedIn profile. But why
Speaker 3: I would lost and want to buy the Onion, Well,
Speaker 3: because he likes it and he has the means to
Speaker 3: buy it.
Speaker 4: Apparently he's looking he's looking to buy.
Speaker 6: An author.
Speaker 3: He's set up website that's got big bucks. And this
Speaker 3: is the funny thing. When he bought the Onion, they're
Speaker 3: asking for donations of exactly one dollar. And basically he's saying,
Speaker 3: you know, if you care about the Nion, if the
Speaker 3: Onion ever made you laugh, give us a buck. For
Speaker 3: that dollar you get absolutely nothing. I mean, this guy
Speaker 3: clearly knows his marketing and he's looking at something like
Speaker 3: you said, it's already the set up operation. He can
Speaker 3: go on there and turn it into basically an any
Speaker 3: cyber if he once to you know, right, the families.
Speaker 3: I didn't reading this one article. The families who won
Speaker 3: the judgment back the Onion's purchase and they gave up
Speaker 3: their claim to any money, with all the money for
Speaker 3: the purchase going to other unsecured creditors. So I don't
Speaker 3: know how that works in this bankruptcy. You know, I
Speaker 3: guess I Jones claimed bankruptcy. So the court has decided, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're going to break this thing up. He was forced
Speaker 3: into it because of the judgment. So and that's the
Speaker 3: that's one problem the judges happened is looking at all
Speaker 3: of this convoluted mess. He's not sure about the big
Speaker 3: process if they're actually wanted through legitimate big process. So
Speaker 3: he's going through that.
Speaker 4: Apparently there was a hearing supposed to be this next week.
Speaker 3: I think he got moved because I know Alex Jones
Speaker 3: moves on the blaze the other built making comment that
Speaker 3: they have petitioned to fight the sale to the Onion
Speaker 3: because the process wasn't transparent so barely.
Speaker 4: That's where we're sitting now in limbo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's fine. And you know, speaking of sitting
Speaker 2: in limbo, just wanted to say that I took notice
Speaker 2: of all of the court cases going away against Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: So anybody who said that I was just stupid for
Speaker 2: saying that they would all evaporate one way or another,
Speaker 2: pay attention, because that's what's happening in real time. Every
Speaker 2: last one of these things is going away. The documents case,
Speaker 2: the insurrection case, the vote case, the nonsense in Georgia
Speaker 2: with the prosecutor or hired her boyfriend. That's all falling apart.
Speaker 2: Every single case is going to fall apart. And you
Speaker 2: watch even that Egene Carroll thing is going to collapse
Speaker 2: eventually on appeal or something. And yeah, even the thirty
Speaker 2: true felonies or what ever the hell it is. They
Speaker 2: kept saying, however many felonies, they're gonna be gone. It's
Speaker 2: all gonna be gone. And Jack Smith is even trying
Speaker 2: to wind down everything he's doing before he resigns. He's
Speaker 2: gonna try and get out the door before inauguration day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jacksonith was told by Congress, don't leave the country.
Speaker 3: We've got some questions for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe, but he's definitely gonna leave that office.
Speaker 3: And that's gonna be the he's gonna leave the office
Speaker 3: because if he's still there when Trunk is there and
Speaker 3: he's gone, he's gonna fire that basket.
Speaker 2: Of course. But the funny thing is that all these
Speaker 2: people said they're gonna get him. They've got so much
Speaker 2: time they're gonna get I kept saying, guys, watch and learn,
Speaker 2: he's not gonna get nailed. For anything. There will be
Speaker 2: no content. I don't care if it's a valid charge
Speaker 2: or invalid. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, do you
Speaker 2: get it, It's all gonna go.
Speaker 3: The only thing that I'm waiting to see happen is
Speaker 3: if Mark Shawn in New York, it's the opportunity, it's
Speaker 3: a certain sim he could pull the rogue out on
Speaker 3: sentence unto jail.
Speaker 2: It's not going to happen. BP. I mean, you never
Speaker 2: say never.
Speaker 3: No, when Jill, have never thought that the State of
Speaker 3: New York or the City of New York, Okay, with
Speaker 3: Traine the statutes allowing someone to come back and make
Speaker 3: a claim from thirty years ago, go through the process
Speaker 3: and find somebody liable in a civil case of four
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. Totally no, You never would have thought
Speaker 3: that would have happened. So never say never.
Speaker 2: But I will say never, just because I can't imagine
Speaker 2: the chicanery that people are going to pull in order
Speaker 2: to listen. Here's one thing I can say about that
Speaker 2: is that if a prosecutor wants to get somebody, and
Speaker 2: if a court wants to get somebody, they will invent
Speaker 2: the rules that will be required to get somebody. That
Speaker 2: is something I believe, and that's got nothing to do
Speaker 2: with anybody's politics. That is just the way of our
Speaker 2: justice system.
Speaker 3: And if Marshawn gets a chance to put Trump in
Speaker 3: jail for one day, he'll do it. But here's allus
Speaker 3: of whether he loses on appeal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's the trump card in the whole game,
Speaker 2: and that is that if you're in a privileged position,
Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about those things. When I'm
Speaker 2: talking about they want to go get somebody, they go
Speaker 2: get anybody who doesn't have the juice, who doesn't have
Speaker 2: the privilege. One way or another. That privilege could come
Speaker 2: from lots of money, or it could come from the
Speaker 2: magic privilege where even if you're broke, you're still being
Speaker 2: treated by the system just different than ninety nine percent
Speaker 2: of us. You try and walk away from. Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 3: Cathological thinking in the case involving a New York court.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you say that, that's fine, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to argue. I'm just going to say to you that
Speaker 2: no matter where that court is, the way it is
Speaker 2: in this country is if you have enough cash, you
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about suffering consequences. Well, okay, Martha Stewart,
Speaker 2: and they had to make an example out of somebody,
Speaker 2: and I think she she must have really pissed off
Speaker 2: the wrong person, because generally, I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, Marson, what's a chance to serve its Trump before
Speaker 3: any of peers heard.
Speaker 2: It's a different level of privilege that Trump hass But anyway,
Speaker 2: that's just my idea. That's the way it is. I
Speaker 2: don't want to argue with you. Whatever you say is fine.
Speaker 2: I just give you, guys this statement again. Every single
Speaker 2: court case against Trump, no matter what you think, is
Speaker 2: going to disappear without any consequence being suffered by him. Yes,
Speaker 2: his family's banned from being able to run charities in
Speaker 2: New York. Oh so what yes? Is uh? You know
Speaker 2: some of his businesses got shut down or whatever. So
Speaker 2: what real consequences to him personally? Nope, not gonna happen anyway.
Speaker 2: Jimmy James has been waiting on the line, so I'll
Speaker 2: get to him. But I hope that we'll have other
Speaker 2: callers in the near future. Three one nine five two
Speaker 2: seven five zero one six. That is the number to call,
Speaker 2: and uh, by all means call in and change the
Speaker 2: topic any which way you want, Jimmy James, Hey, the
Speaker 2: Lions held on, although I thought they were on their
Speaker 2: way to losing that game after you know, they held
Speaker 2: the lead at the half and then it looked like
Speaker 2: they were going to lose it, and they came back
Speaker 2: and held on, didn't they.
Speaker 6: Well makes sense, but.
Speaker 2: Third points, Well, it looked like that might happen at
Speaker 2: the half. Didn't it like they were beating them? I
Speaker 2: think the Bears hadn't even scored at the half, had they.
Speaker 6: H three points?
Speaker 2: Oh? Maybe?
Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, You're You're solved.
Speaker 2: Is like chopping chopping.
Speaker 6: It doesn't sound like right now to me?
Speaker 2: Okay, why I don't know why.
Speaker 6: I'm going on the phone though. Now I'm a radio
Speaker 6: so I don't know how they're going.
Speaker 2: All right. If you guys are having trouble with the
Speaker 2: sound on the radio, by all means, let me know
Speaker 2: and I'll see what I can do to repair it.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. It sounds okay to me right
Speaker 2: now through my monitor, And like Jimmy James said, it
Speaker 2: sounds okay on the phone. But so, Jimmy, what's on
Speaker 2: your mind this week? My friend?
Speaker 6: Well, first off, little kidding Donald Trump's not going to
Speaker 6: go to get in trouble now because he was a
Speaker 6: lot of president he lost. Do you not think you
Speaker 6: to let the prison? Yes?
Speaker 2: Or no? I do not. I told you that all along.
Speaker 2: It didn't matter.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 6: That's fine, that's all I even know. That's absurd, of course.
Speaker 3: Okay, Otter P.
Speaker 6: Diddy, tut Epstein, your privileged theories, a lord of comic crap.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I don't want to you. Okay, if you
Speaker 2: say you list, what can you asked my opinion? But
Speaker 2: I also told you there was no way he was
Speaker 2: going to lose. And I also told you he wasn't
Speaker 2: going to win by a slim margin, which everybody kept saying,
Speaker 2: it's a slim margin. I said, no, it's not why.
Speaker 6: You were just your believisional. He could have easily lost.
Speaker 6: They cheat to the thirteen million people that disappeared between
Speaker 6: this and the last election.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they couldn't cheat well enough in this time, right.
Speaker 6: I heard a black guy say, where where are these people?
Speaker 6: We think Trump's holding them in uh concentration camps. I
Speaker 6: think that guy's onto something. I think he should go
Speaker 6: out and find out where those missing voters are I want.
Speaker 7: To know where they are.
Speaker 3: Sure I can help them.
Speaker 6: Point the way during the damn seitaries.
Speaker 2: Okay, uh.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, oh I had a good story, but you had.
Speaker 2: A great politician. If you can't get the dead to
Speaker 2: show up to vote for you, right, I mean, let's
Speaker 2: be honest. If you can't even get the people who
Speaker 2: are you are to show up, well.
Speaker 6: Then then Jackson work for long works whatever. I guess
Speaker 6: they're just gonna keep cheating from here to hell, and
Speaker 6: everyone's gonna play per Ton that it's everyone. That's cool.
Speaker 2: Well if they if they were cheating this time, boy
Speaker 2: is that even more pathetic because they couldn't even cheat
Speaker 2: enough to overcome Wow, that's terrible.
Speaker 5: Yeah it is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it was alongside like dre there four hundred
Speaker 6: electoral votes, five six million more votes for Trump. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's alongside these days. I guess it's the best since Reagan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 6: I'm fact Obama. I never won the damn electorial vote.
Speaker 2: Hey, wasn't it that Reagan who won like every state
Speaker 2: except one? I think it was yeah against Mondale, Like
Speaker 2: Mondale took his home state and.
Speaker 6: That was it, right, We got a few hundred votes
Speaker 6: just barely kept his about he's on Minnesota. Yeah, but
Speaker 6: in state were all big companist as always.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Reagan got everything everything else.
Speaker 6: So yeah, well all you did, we get the districts
Speaker 6: then gave it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it does count, that's more. What have they
Speaker 2: got one electoral vote or two? Do they one or two?
Speaker 6: I can't be more than long.
Speaker 2: I didn't think. I don't know what. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know why. Well, it's because it's a separate thing from
Speaker 2: the state. Okay, but it's a separate thing. It's not
Speaker 2: part of the state. It's really not there. There's a
Speaker 2: whole lot of legal leagues behind that, so I get it.
Speaker 2: It's not part of the state of Virginia or anything else.
Speaker 2: It's separate, but it's not a state either, So I
Speaker 2: don't know anyway. Either way, it is the way it
Speaker 2: turned out, and buy a good margin, so they couldn't
Speaker 2: even make it close.
Speaker 6: Hopefully that's the most of course the thing. I'm just
Speaker 6: glad there's a cure victory one way, the whatever. Anyway
Speaker 6: is my question. As far as the uh, say, so
Speaker 6: I bought the virtual stuff the lot, it's fawned this thing.
Speaker 6: I'll get the DVD say, uh no, they didn't.
Speaker 2: They didn't state that they were giving you the physical DVD.
Speaker 2: You can just download it. I think, Uh, well, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if Gabby chopped up the
Speaker 2: uh the the you know, at first they were posted
Speaker 2: as full days, and they're supposed to be cut up
Speaker 2: into separate presentations where you know, you click on Mike Swanson,
Speaker 2: you just watch Mike, uh, you know, like each one
Speaker 2: in its own little separate file and windows are ready,
Speaker 2: then you'll be able to download the uh the each
Speaker 2: each uh you know presentation. Uh that's the way I
Speaker 2: understand it. But don't use Firefox for that, because Firefox
Speaker 2: doesn't give you that butt. You got to use like
Speaker 2: Chrome or some other browser and you'll get the option
Speaker 2: to download if you paid for that. So that's the
Speaker 2: way that is.
Speaker 6: I paid, I paid, I paid several books. I get
Speaker 6: the DVD to do.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, I mean, check what you what
Speaker 2: you paid for because I wasn't involved in that part
Speaker 2: of it. But but yeah, it's it's but you you'll
Speaker 2: be able to download it though and keep it on
Speaker 2: whatever device you want. You'll be able to get the downloads.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 3: Absolute was this.
Speaker 6: I thought, I was a little lots for I'm a student,
Speaker 6: so should I get the student price?
Speaker 2: I argued that, you know what's funny is I argued
Speaker 2: that last year I did. I argued that last year
Speaker 2: is that we should open the student discount to many
Speaker 2: more people who are students of the assassination. Uh. And
Speaker 2: I was told no, they have to be actually, you
Speaker 2: know in a university of some kind, have a student
Speaker 2: idea of some kind current And I said, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: kind of lame.
Speaker 6: Get there.
Speaker 2: I said it was lame too, but believe it or not, Jimmy,
Speaker 2: that was that was something I said the sixtieth anniversary
Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, and uh, at least I wasn't getting
Speaker 2: stood a lot in between.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just up with the uh stupid I have
Speaker 3: a question.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: And this is for both I because they have won
Speaker 3: a class. Does anybody ever run across the name John
Speaker 3: Gooch m the name of I ask the day before
Speaker 3: the conference, I happened to check my email to you know,
Speaker 3: I've got that one blog, the Oswald Innocents campaign dot com,
Speaker 3: so I can steal that name from uh robson Ky
Speaker 3: and uh, this guy sends me an email to that
Speaker 3: contact one team me, believe it or not, one to
Speaker 3: me to forward his paper to Larry Rivera. He hasn't
Speaker 3: read one lam thing on that blog post where I
Speaker 3: ripped Larry Ravera's to pieces over this bush ship. So
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna touch
Speaker 3: this guy's attax document because there's.
Speaker 6: No telling what's in it.
Speaker 3: If he's so stupid it is to think that I
Speaker 3: would forward something to Larry like like I talked to
Speaker 3: Larry every day, and that's the way he said it.
Speaker 3: It said, please forward to Larry Rivera. Dear mister Rovera.
Speaker 3: My name is John Gooch. I live in New Orleans
Speaker 3: area of Louisiana, where I was born and raised. My
Speaker 3: family used to own Gallatori's restaurant, which is in the
Speaker 3: French Quarter of New Orleans. I'm a fan of Jim
Speaker 3: Garrison and have attended several JFK assassination commicses in New
Speaker 3: Orleans and Dallas. I thought we might be interested in
Speaker 3: the research I've done here concerning the JFK assassination, so
Speaker 3: I'm sending you the latest version of my jfk assassination paper,
Speaker 3: the New Orleans Connection. I've converted it to a Microsoft
Speaker 3: word document so it's easier to read. Lays the table
Speaker 3: of contents, and then he's got it attached. There's no way, hell,
Speaker 3: I'm opening that up.
Speaker 4: But I'm just curious if you guys have ever come
Speaker 4: across this guy's name.
Speaker 2: No, the name doesn't sound familiar, but there are a
Speaker 2: lot of people that are from that area working on it.
Speaker 2: And I mean there's also a guy here in Georgia
Speaker 2: that contacts me all the time that is all about
Speaker 2: you know, Garrison was in with the mob, and you know,
Speaker 2: and he was just after clay Shaw because he was
Speaker 2: gay and this kind of thing. You know, Garrison was
Speaker 2: corrupt and wrong and all these like just wild stuff,
Speaker 2: and ultimately he just thinks the Jews are responsible for
Speaker 2: killing Kennedy. That's you know, the the punctuation on his
Speaker 2: entire thesis. And that guy is constantly contacting me. There's
Speaker 2: also a bunch of people that are in well in Louisiana,
Speaker 2: in Mississippi and in a lot of very rural areas
Speaker 2: that like we're listening to Coast to Coast am and
Speaker 2: one of them like actually had somebody else email me
Speaker 2: so that I would call them on the phone and
Speaker 2: talk to them outside of the conference. And so I did.
Speaker 2: And it turns out this is a guy who has
Speaker 2: no Internet of any kind and will cannot get it
Speaker 2: where he is, and he's just got a phone and
Speaker 2: he listens to Coast to Coast am religiously. But he's
Speaker 2: very much into the Kennedy assassination. Uh. But there are
Speaker 2: tons of these guys out there that that I've never
Speaker 2: heard of, never seen from. UH don't know their work,
Speaker 2: that claim to have you know, entire books, written papers,
Speaker 2: written research done. They say they've done interviews, They've dug
Speaker 2: up documents that other people haven't found, they say, you know.
Speaker 2: And they all the time want me to forward stuff
Speaker 2: to different researchers.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Somehow they find me, but can't find those other people's emails,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I get that all
Speaker 2: the time. B Pete, I don't know. But have you
Speaker 2: ever heard of this guy, Jimmy, This is John.
Speaker 6: Well the only coups remember it was actually involved in
Speaker 6: uh Paul light ten sixties Jipp.
Speaker 2: There was a guy in did it? Yeah.
Speaker 6: The last name was Boats or some crap I just
Speaker 6: Relumbroiz call him the beach.
Speaker 3: You're not sure an this guy.
Speaker 2: You don't think it's Galdet you're thinking of, do you
Speaker 2: like with the French name like Gadet? No, that guy,
Speaker 2: I know that guy.
Speaker 6: You know who can ask fully about that guy? But
Speaker 6: you know that guy made a living. He made he
Speaker 6: would point I forget. However, many so called uh intelligence
Speaker 6: journals and the KGB would buy half of him. The CIA,
Speaker 6: who would buy the other half of them. So the
Speaker 6: darkness says so in essence, the CIA and the KGB
Speaker 6: subsidize this guy's life by fifteen.
Speaker 2: Hundred year humm by buying his intelligence reports.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they'd buy up every single copy because they settle
Speaker 6: by him to get out both sides.
Speaker 2: Nice. Nice, I wasn't aware of that. I mean, I've
Speaker 2: heard rumors about stuff like that, but I never seen
Speaker 2: that verified anywhere. I mean stuff like that, not even
Speaker 2: exactly what you just said, but something similar to it.
Speaker 2: Interesting though, So now I guess we don't know about
Speaker 2: the boots there outside of you know, his interactions with
Speaker 2: Arnold Jackson. Sorry, b Pete never heard of him.
Speaker 6: Well, I.
Speaker 3: Reply, probably would be very polite, but after the next
Speaker 3: time I read my blog before he starts spamming my inbox.
Speaker 2: Yeah, next time, read before you start asking people favors
Speaker 2: that you shouldn't be asking him. I'd be like somebody saying,
Speaker 2: I know you talk about Judy Baker a lot, can
Speaker 2: you send this to her? Obviously what I thought.
Speaker 3: We talked to Jim Fetzer. I don't think you know
Speaker 3: awful on this message.
Speaker 2: Rite me exactly. Anyway. I'll tell you somebody I never
Speaker 2: heard of though at the conference. I think I started
Speaker 2: telling this story on Wednesday. But weirdest thing ever this
Speaker 2: lady who was, oh my god when she asked questions.
Speaker 2: If you watch the conference, the woman who is standing
Speaker 2: towards the back of the room so you can't really hear,
Speaker 2: and is taking like five minutes to ask questions, telling
Speaker 2: long stories before really entering a question, really really going
Speaker 2: on and on and on, very enthusiastic. Woman looked like
Speaker 2: she was maybe you know, like twenty years older than me,
Speaker 2: but definitely like, you know, into it, wearing a sweatshirt. Anyways,
Speaker 2: it turns out and she had approached me and held
Speaker 2: me at the bar for a little while when I
Speaker 2: was sitting there with Swanson and this other guy woman
Speaker 2: to bring on the show soon to talk about Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 2: But anyways, she she came over and she's telling me long,
Speaker 2: long stories. I mean like I'm like zoning out in
Speaker 2: the middle of these very long stories. My son did
Speaker 2: an Internet search while he was there on his own name,
Speaker 2: and of course he's named after my father. So my
Speaker 2: father's stuff comes up, and he pulls up a picture
Speaker 2: of my father I've never seen before, and I want to.
Speaker 7: Ask you about that.
Speaker 3: Is that the small he said, it looks like a
Speaker 3: mugstop photo. Yeah, that is his enlistment photo. Okay, you
Speaker 3: go in in the military, they take a picture of
Speaker 3: you and he gets staple to your file. Everybody has one.
Speaker 2: Now does it have a nameplate?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Does yours have a nameplate on it? Okay, yeah, that's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, that's what I thought because of the haircut. Right.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to say it on air, but that's
Speaker 2: what I thought due to the haircut, because it looked
Speaker 2: to me like that's not long after you know, they
Speaker 2: cut his hair down for service. Right.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 6: So they do it when they run you through the
Speaker 6: line and they both.
Speaker 3: Cut you in and give you your uniforms and blah
Speaker 3: blah blah, you have to go to get your id's done,
Speaker 3: and you hold it up do your military I D. Basically,
Speaker 3: it's the kind of that's almost the exact same photo,
Speaker 3: and you hold up and you hold what they is
Speaker 3: when they credit it, Like when they do you license,
Speaker 3: it'll print a like two pictures. They'll put one in
Speaker 3: the file. One goes on your license. Well, this is
Speaker 3: the same way when they do it. They make your
Speaker 3: ID cards at a copy that gets stapled into your
Speaker 3: promo file.
Speaker 2: Okay. And in one instance, you hold up like one
Speaker 2: of those things where they put the letters of your
Speaker 2: name into like a board, and you hold up that
Speaker 2: little board that has your name on it now right.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, or it's on a stand in front of you, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of below you. It's it's like a
Speaker 3: bird that's got to hold the ghost like a like
Speaker 3: a microphone stand. Okay, you slap out the spend a
Speaker 3: lot of times. I just hand it to you, tell
Speaker 3: you a hold of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So either way, gotcha. Okay, that's what I thought
Speaker 2: it was. But here's the funny thing. I don't have
Speaker 2: that photo and I don't know anybody else that has
Speaker 2: that photo. But anyway, if you go to his Gravefinder
Speaker 2: entry right, there has not been additional stuff added to
Speaker 2: his grave Finder in many years. And in January of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, this lady who was at the conference
Speaker 2: apparently added stuff to his grave Finder listing, including attaching
Speaker 2: his obituary, which I knew about his obituary. I had
Speaker 2: to go to the Asbury Park Library to find it myself,
Speaker 2: and I got it out of the Asbury Park Press
Speaker 2: Archives because that's where it's from. But she literally attached that,
Speaker 2: I think, and this photo which was his enlistment photo,
Speaker 2: and I've never acquired that anyway. You know, I have
Speaker 2: a military ID card, but it doesn't have the photo
Speaker 2: on it. It's just a paper card. So anyway, and
Speaker 2: I have two versions of it, by the way, that's
Speaker 2: another thing, but either way, neither one of them has
Speaker 2: a picture on it. So I was a little freaked out.
Speaker 2: This woman had worked on my father's site. And there's
Speaker 2: a notation if you scroll down on the Grayfinder that
Speaker 2: says he is the father of noted jfk assassination researcher
Speaker 2: Charles o'celly. Well, I didn't enter that information either.
Speaker 3: So I was left by Linda on the ninth of January.
Speaker 2: See okay, So that Linda there was at the conference,
Speaker 2: is my point. Now. I had no idea about this
Speaker 2: until my son did an Internet search on his own name, okay,
Speaker 2: And it was just because he didn't remember, you know what,
Speaker 2: he doesn't remember what his middle name is, and he
Speaker 2: was asking his mother, Hey, you know, what's my middle
Speaker 2: name again? Because I want to search online. And when
Speaker 2: he did, that's the first thing that pops up if
Speaker 2: you searched my father's first, middle and last name. So
Speaker 2: there you go, and that gravefinder thing had not been
Speaker 2: touched in years if you looked there. The obituary also
Speaker 2: states that you know, look, you see his wife Kathy
Speaker 2: is there and his son Charles is at home.
Speaker 4: Did you click on her profile?
Speaker 2: I did, and that I read part of it and
Speaker 2: realized that she also doesn't take messages because there's a
Speaker 2: thing on there to send her a message, and I
Speaker 2: can't send her a message, I see. But anyway, I
Speaker 2: was a little weirded out by that because I was like,
Speaker 2: what in the hell is a woman who was adding
Speaker 2: information and stuff like this? I mean, apparently, And when
Speaker 2: I looked at it a little closer, I realized she
Speaker 2: had added information to a lot of Gravefinder entries. But
Speaker 2: it was just weird to me. And she never mentioned
Speaker 2: any of this to me at the conference, but she
Speaker 2: was face to face with me, like I said, not
Speaker 2: only during the conference and asking very long questions and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and talking to people in between presentations,
Speaker 2: but also when I'm sitting there. I forget if it
Speaker 2: was Saturday or Sunday night. I think it was may
Speaker 2: very well have been Sunday night, but it might have
Speaker 2: been Saturday night. Anyway, one of the nights that I
Speaker 2: was with Swanson, after you know, everything was over for
Speaker 2: the day, We're sitting at the hotel bar and actually
Speaker 2: the bartender I went to go have a cigarette and
Speaker 2: they took away my drink. I came back, Mike was
Speaker 2: going to buy me another one, and I said, now
Speaker 2: I don't worry about it, and yeah, and she came
Speaker 2: over when I was going to just, you know, go
Speaker 2: ask the bartender why I took my drink.
Speaker 3: Well, apparently she's a big bar Camp fan and his
Speaker 3: prayer man.
Speaker 2: Yeah I read that part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Just as far as I'm concerned is enough
Speaker 3: for not giving a time of bet.
Speaker 2: Well, she also calls herself a genealogist, and I don't
Speaker 2: know what she's doing anyway. My point is that this
Speaker 2: is somebody digging around into a personal situation in my life,
Speaker 2: and it may be that she was just, you know what,
Speaker 2: kindly filling in military veterans. When I started to look
Speaker 2: at the list of other people's gravefinders she had added to,
Speaker 2: I noted there were a few other people that I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure in some way connected to other JFK assassination people. Maybe,
Speaker 2: But I found it weird that this year she would
Speaker 2: have added something to my father's situation and said nothing
Speaker 2: to me. You know, And like I said, if you
Speaker 2: look at the obituary and you're aware that that's my
Speaker 2: father and you put that note in there, and you
Speaker 2: also see in the obituary that I'm like the child
Speaker 2: at home when he died, you know, maybe you might say, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, I added something to this or something. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I found the whole time strange.
Speaker 3: Susan cleaner clings on to people on the periphery, and
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Well, what was even more bizarre about it is on
Speaker 2: Monday morning when we were getting ready to leave. We were,
Speaker 2: you know, racing around to try and get ready to
Speaker 2: check out. On Monday morning, I go outside to have
Speaker 2: a smoke and I'm standing there and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I hear Chuck o'chelly and somebody's yelling at me from
Speaker 2: a vehicle that's, you know, in front of the hotel
Speaker 2: and kind of in between where the hotel is and
Speaker 2: where the smoking section was, which the smoking section this
Speaker 2: time had a bench and all that. It was actually
Speaker 2: pretty cool. I go over and it's Gail Nick Jackson's
Speaker 2: husband in a minivan, and I'm like, oh, hey, how
Speaker 2: you doing. I always forget his first but anyway, how
Speaker 2: you doing? And this and that. He's on the phone
Speaker 2: with Gail, you know, like when the car has the
Speaker 2: phone call, so like she's on the speakers in the car,
Speaker 2: and so he says, hey, guess who I ran into
Speaker 2: waiting out here for. Yeah, he was waiting for Doug Campbell.
Speaker 2: He was going to take Doug Campbell back to the
Speaker 2: airport on Monday morning. And so he's like, yeah, guess
Speaker 2: who I ran into. Chuck O'kelly's sitting out here, So,
Speaker 2: you know, Gail Hi chuck this and that, because I
Speaker 2: had actually sat down with her on her presentation this year,
Speaker 2: you know, and and helped her along with it a
Speaker 2: little bit. Anyways, Yeah, how you doing, Gail this and that?
Speaker 2: I told her the short version of that story that
Speaker 2: I told you guys now, and she said, oh, I said,
Speaker 2: and she's Linda something. And I don't know the last
Speaker 2: name right now as I speak to you, but but
Speaker 2: she blurted out the last name and she's like, you
Speaker 2: know whatever it was. I said, yeah, that's it. And
Speaker 2: Gail goes, oh, I know her. I said, well, hell,
Speaker 2: I don't. And I found this very very strange. So
Speaker 2: she's like, well, let me give her a call and
Speaker 2: see if she's left the hotel yet. I said, okay, Gail,
Speaker 2: go right ahead, and I, you know, finished smoking my
Speaker 2: cigarette and Doug came and he had to get to
Speaker 2: the airport, so they left and I never heard back.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if Gail called her or what
Speaker 2: came of that or anything else. All I know is
Speaker 2: that I felt really strange about this afterwards. And what
Speaker 2: is her name be, Pete? You have it in front
Speaker 2: of you.
Speaker 3: Oh no, but I can call it right back. All
Speaker 3: it said was Linda on the profile. I don't think
Speaker 3: it had a last name.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the funny thing. I confirmed because she looked
Speaker 2: different than that picture that you see there, you know,
Speaker 2: at the conference. So I took the picture and the
Speaker 2: name in Kim's phone and sent it over to Gabby
Speaker 2: and I said, does his name match an attendee at
Speaker 2: the conference? And Gabby text back and said, yes, somebody.
Speaker 8: Had a ten dollars.
Speaker 2: She doesn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she doesn't have a last name.
Speaker 6: And it says up there to top not accepting.
Speaker 3: Messages, which I find that weird. She wants to add
Speaker 3: to nine hundred and twenty seven memorials. Right, he says
Speaker 3: doesn't accept messages.
Speaker 2: Okay. Would you feel strange if somebody was adding to
Speaker 2: a memorial like that? Okay? And also, you know this
Speaker 2: involves me plus that notation of noting that you know,
Speaker 2: he's the father of a noted JFK researcher. I didn't
Speaker 2: put that note there. Once again, I say she must have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but by doing that, by doing that, you know,
Speaker 3: she can claim, oh, yeah, I added a website. And
Speaker 3: you know, maybe people comment about Chuck being you know,
Speaker 3: Jeff the researcher and blah blah blah. See it's like
Speaker 3: I said, it's you know, the people like that wand
Speaker 3: that hang around. You know, eventually you notice they may
Speaker 3: not be hanging around anymore. But I'm sure that's how
Speaker 3: she you know, if she had been with Bart Camp.
Speaker 3: You know, that's what gets me. She says that she
Speaker 3: helped that identify many of the people standing in the
Speaker 3: doorway of the school book depository. And I'm sitting there thinking,
Speaker 3: maybe I don't know where you're coming from, but there's
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of photography evidence out there that people
Speaker 3: have been put together for years and years and years
Speaker 3: identifying people. You know, So just how much how much
Speaker 3: did you add to Bart's fantasy?
Speaker 2: So I don't know, but you know, but she claimed
Speaker 2: I think she claims that did he credit her in
Speaker 2: that book?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was unclear about that as I skimmed through that
Speaker 2: part of it, you know. And and look, I made
Speaker 2: my statement about that. I think it's very interesting what
Speaker 2: Bart had to say, But at the end end of
Speaker 2: the day, it's still just a blurry picture. It really is.
Speaker 2: And no, I don't agree that all that.
Speaker 6: Look, that's there's a whole lot more to it than that.
Speaker 2: Whatever you say, Jimmy, but not really you.
Speaker 7: Know what I say.
Speaker 6: It's it's there's only so many people that could be chuck. Okay,
Speaker 6: I got it. Could be people on the planet or who.
Speaker 2: Was it that is prayer man?
Speaker 3: That's right?
Speaker 6: Okay, Well every single now keep it hold on, I'm
Speaker 6: still speaking.
Speaker 2: The way I go ahead. I'm interrupting you.
Speaker 6: Good after single every single employer there said what.
Speaker 3: They see you know what?
Speaker 6: No strangers. They had to be similar work there. Who
Speaker 6: was the deefy drunk guy or was it eyes walk?
Speaker 6: He's on on a T shirt and dog ease and
Speaker 6: tipping a coat.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's are clues.
Speaker 2: Uh. Well, look I'm not gonna have the prayer man
Speaker 2: argument with you. It's just you want. You want.
Speaker 3: What he believes in the straight is Jimmy saying that
Speaker 3: he puts faith in this poor man.
Speaker 6: I believe that is what he's saying.
Speaker 2: I believe that is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Feeling me in the hook is set? Really didn't.
Speaker 4: Hit him on the boat?
Speaker 2: Really did?
Speaker 3: Who worked?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You fish? Somebody just cooked you hook line? You take it,
Speaker 3: hook line and sinker reel him in, get him on
Speaker 3: the boat, Let's go away him all right?
Speaker 2: Any walk him?
Speaker 6: Why I came to believe that Oswald was per man
Speaker 6: as he his own damn testimony and the process of elimination.
Speaker 6: I am not going to do part.
Speaker 3: Can't. How do you figure his own testimony? What testimony
Speaker 3: did Oswald is out there?
Speaker 6: I asked a question, if you ain't gonna up.
Speaker 3: Here, well, no, I want to clarify my question. What
Speaker 3: testimony did Oswald give anybody? That he was starting out
Speaker 3: front when Kennedy was shot.
Speaker 6: That's what he called captain?
Speaker 2: The only thing I know.
Speaker 3: Any statements attributed to Oswald do not put him out.
Speaker 3: They specifically asked him if he saw what went on.
Speaker 4: He said no, he was in the building.
Speaker 2: Well, he said he didn't see the parade. But there's
Speaker 2: a note that Fritz made. There's a note that Fritz
Speaker 2: made which says, just in sure standing outside with Bill Shelley.
Speaker 2: I think, and it's.
Speaker 4: Another he said out fault with Bris Shelley.
Speaker 3: There you go at what he told everybody was after
Speaker 3: the CD when he left the building, that's when he
Speaker 3: saw Bill Shelley, and Shelley told him I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: able to work for the rest of the day.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just telling you that I know that Fritz
Speaker 2: made a note that said something to that effect, and
Speaker 2: I've seen it before, and I could quote it if
Speaker 2: I had seen it recently, but I have not seen
Speaker 2: it in a long time. But there's just that note
Speaker 2: as far as I know. That's the only thing I
Speaker 2: don't believe anywhere else.
Speaker 3: I would point out.
Speaker 6: I know that Hoover got some stuff wrong, but that's
Speaker 6: also what he told LBJ. The man said, I'll take
Speaker 6: the director was just telling ab Town and I'll be
Speaker 6: Jason Tonny's stories.
Speaker 2: Well, no, but he did had a lot of he
Speaker 2: had a lot of things wrong. I think he said
Speaker 2: the fourth floor of the bookstore, uh.
Speaker 6: Right before he got the stuff wrong, But that was
Speaker 6: also pretty Yeah, he got some stuff wrong. It could
Speaker 6: be already said that wrong. But lea that matches that
Speaker 6: note and matches his things that people heard it. He said,
Speaker 6: that's what he told the man. He don't believe, Deputy Craig.
Speaker 6: You don't like Deputy Greg, do you be?
Speaker 3: People now has nothing to do with it. You look
Speaker 3: at all of the evidence that you can find anywhere today,
Speaker 3: any statement attributed to Oswald. He did not see the shooting.
Speaker 3: He was in the building. So how do you put
Speaker 3: him out front, out front long enough to be standing
Speaker 3: there before the parade? Ever shuts up?
Speaker 6: I love you said, he seeing only shooting. They asked
Speaker 6: him what he was doing. He said, he stepped out
Speaker 6: and swatched the president dragged by and went back in.
Speaker 6: And that's what he did.
Speaker 2: Who did he?
Speaker 3: Where that was said? Where that was attributed to Oswald?
Speaker 3: And I'd be happy you change my mind if you
Speaker 3: can show it to me.
Speaker 2: Where was that?
Speaker 3: Sometimes that bouncing around for years, There is no evidence
Speaker 3: whatsoever that Oswald told anybody he was outside of that
Speaker 3: building when it happened.
Speaker 2: I mean outside of that note that prints.
Speaker 7: You want to be pactical.
Speaker 6: In law ordered, Yeah, there was videotaped so unfortantly robe
Speaker 6: Wood that Oswald said. Other than by all these conflicting testimonies,
Speaker 6: I prefer to go by what was actually written down.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, there was there was stuff written
Speaker 2: down by that postmaster who showed up forget his name
Speaker 2: off the top of my head, but you know that
Speaker 2: guy was there during the questioning, right, He had taken
Speaker 2: some notes of what was said today.
Speaker 6: For the.
Speaker 3: He notes. Even then in his notes he puts in
Speaker 3: that Oswalt was in the building. Jimmy said that he
Speaker 3: based his decision on Oswalt's testimony. I'm choosed to know
Speaker 3: exactly what specific testimony and where is it written down
Speaker 3: so that he can serve me. You can even give
Speaker 3: me a copy of it, and I will take it
Speaker 3: into consideration. But to this day, no one as any
Speaker 3: evidence whatsoever that Oswald claimed to be outside when.
Speaker 6: The shooting took place.
Speaker 4: And if he did, why didn't when they asked him
Speaker 4: in the hallway were you.
Speaker 3: In the building? He says, oh, I worked there.
Speaker 6: Of course I was in the building, all right.
Speaker 3: Why when he said that he was a patsy do
Speaker 3: you not say I was standing out front? Why did
Speaker 3: he not verbally when he had a chance to say
Speaker 3: it and people were recorded what he said live, why
Speaker 3: didn't he say it, I wasn't there?
Speaker 2: Well? His answer was, naturally, I was in the building.
Speaker 2: I worked there, right. Wasn't that about answer exactly?
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is the incidents when they already
Speaker 3: had a separate incidents. When I bought him in the hallway,
Speaker 3: he made the comment he was just a patsy. But
Speaker 3: if he was just a patsy, he could have very
Speaker 3: easily said, I wasn't there. I wasn't in the building,
Speaker 3: plainly simple. I would have all gone away right then
Speaker 3: and there. He always claimed to be in the building
Speaker 3: when the shooting took place. I want, Jimmy K where
Speaker 3: was Hosbald? Then the building? Okay, we're at.
Speaker 6: According to him, he was on.
Speaker 3: I think it was the first time they went up
Speaker 3: to get a drink and walked through the office to
Speaker 3: get a drink. That's when they were going up the
Speaker 3: stairs in the back of the place. He always claimed
Speaker 3: to be in the building. Asked him if he saw
Speaker 3: the parade.
Speaker 2: He said no.
Speaker 3: If he's standing there fucking the bring away the depository.
Speaker 4: How did he not see the parade?
Speaker 6: I remember he called Garry clearly. I stepped out from
Speaker 6: him then and watched the Times went drying bray by
Speaker 6: Bill Shelley. Bill Shell always he'll Shelley AVIDU wait wait.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, Bill Shelley stepped out. He was see he
Speaker 3: was out there with Lovely When.
Speaker 5: I was falling on the side, he sat down.
Speaker 6: All right, So where was Osbald?
Speaker 3: Was the was he shooting.
Speaker 6: No, I don't think he was shooting.
Speaker 2: I don't wire that. I didn't eve.
Speaker 4: Years later, but he was involved somehow.
Speaker 2: See if Baker ran into him within ninety seconds, right, Uh.
Speaker 4: That kind of I don't go with the ninety seconds fit.
Speaker 2: Okay, what time do you give it for Baker to
Speaker 2: run into him?
Speaker 3: I don't it's it's I don't know, And it's hard
Speaker 3: to track down because and I've made that comment instead
Speaker 3: of a blog posts, everybody walks around thinking that everybody
Speaker 3: had an atmic clock up their ass and could tell
Speaker 3: you exactly how many seconds it was before I did
Speaker 3: this or before I did that in the.
Speaker 2: End of the moment.
Speaker 3: Within ninety seconds, I don't know. It could have been
Speaker 3: a little longer, could have been a minute, fifteen seconds,
Speaker 3: it could have or could have been a minute.
Speaker 4: It could have been two minutes.
Speaker 2: Well, can't we see Baker on a film throwing down
Speaker 2: his bike? I'm pretty serve him.
Speaker 5: You see him, and don't go in and literally bowling
Speaker 5: people over, pushing their heads, running into the building.
Speaker 2: Damn mirror.
Speaker 6: As soon as the shots rang out, Well, then.
Speaker 3: Let's put him at the counter. He goes inside, he
Speaker 3: means really, truly, they go from there to the back,
Speaker 3: they go up the stairs. Was it ninety seconds or
Speaker 3: was it one hundred and twenty seconds?
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't claim to know. It was probably close to
Speaker 3: within a couple of minutes, But we don't know how
Speaker 3: many seconds he spent there talking to truly before they
Speaker 3: went to the back and then see, because they also
Speaker 3: tried the elevators. Elevators weren't working, so that's why they
Speaker 3: went up the stairs. One thing is is that ninety
Speaker 3: seconds is not their tight people somewhere within ninety seconds,
Speaker 3: it could have been more.
Speaker 4: It could have been less, could have been eighty seconds.
Speaker 3: We don't know, but I know there was. There's enough
Speaker 3: time there for Oswald to go up the front way
Speaker 3: to the hallway, and that's why he got seen when
Speaker 3: they turned the corner to go up the stairs. Truly,
Speaker 3: he had already started up the stairs on the floor
Speaker 3: with the lunch room. The cop was behind him. There's
Speaker 3: a window in the door. He happened to see Oswald
Speaker 3: walk by from the front business office through the short
Speaker 3: hallway back to the low room, and that's why he
Speaker 3: went towards the lunch room. He saw Oswald walk by
Speaker 3: that glass in the window, in the door.
Speaker 2: It's logical, okay, So if you can logically cut down
Speaker 2: about how long it took Baker to get there, right
Speaker 2: then it reduces exactly where Oswald could have been. You know,
Speaker 2: he simply doesn't have time to get there. If you
Speaker 2: can figure out that it's it's two minutes later. If
Speaker 2: you can figure out it's a minute and a half,
Speaker 2: If you can figure out it's two and a half minutes,
Speaker 2: there's certain places he can't get from to that position.
Speaker 3: They calmly, I agree with you. I agree with you.
Speaker 3: So while I don't think that, I don't think Oswald
Speaker 3: was upstairs taking starts.
Speaker 2: No, that's one thing that that's what you said right then.
Speaker 2: That's why I said for Baker to run into him
Speaker 2: that quickly. Now I go with the ninety seconds because
Speaker 2: it's the most common answer. But your points are all
Speaker 2: well taken. It could be a little longer, it could
Speaker 2: be a little shorter, I get it.
Speaker 3: Not only that, Not only that, if Oswald was standing
Speaker 3: how fun in the doorway did he go in the
Speaker 3: door before the police officer or after? Because he's got
Speaker 3: it's a shorter trip well, technically it's a shorter trip
Speaker 3: if you don't stop to wait for elevators in that
Speaker 3: so he would have gone in the front door, up
Speaker 3: the front of the through the office.
Speaker 2: So how you mean that?
Speaker 6: Look a look at the parade.
Speaker 3: He took a look at.
Speaker 6: The parade and walked back into the Domino room.
Speaker 2: Well, is it so damn.
Speaker 6: Hard to understand?
Speaker 3: It's not hard to understand because it didn't happen. The
Speaker 3: gentleman who was at the back of that pack, I
Speaker 3: forget his name. He was one of the murders there.
Speaker 3: He was the last man in the dollaway. He was
Speaker 3: the furthest one back. They asked him specifically if he
Speaker 3: saw as that. He said no, Well, because.
Speaker 10: Why can't I'm going to say that.
Speaker 2: Just try not to talk over each other one way
Speaker 2: or another. Please take your turns, that's all. Oh, Jimmy, good, Jimmy.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well the fuck wasn't it. Why don't you understand
Speaker 6: that these people were staring at a presidential parade? The
Speaker 6: man Oswald walked out of the launch room, drinking his
Speaker 6: cow as the car time looked at it. When they
Speaker 6: were looking at it, they weren't looking back at the building.
Speaker 3: Why they were looking at the parade, Why would.
Speaker 6: They look at Oswald? Even if he then had seen Oswald,
Speaker 6: they wouldn't have registered Oswald because it's just Oswald.
Speaker 2: Duh? Why is that a.
Speaker 6: Complicated, hard controversial.
Speaker 3: I wanted I'll answer your Question's what for him to
Speaker 3: go out that door as shallow as that front porch was,
Speaker 3: he would have had to have gone right in front
Speaker 3: of somebody. He would have been standing there talking to them,
Speaker 3: because apparently, looking at the film, he was out there.
Speaker 3: You say he was out there drinking a coke and yes,
Speaker 3: there was a bottle found down there later on the
Speaker 3: side of the rear next to the steps. He would
Speaker 3: have had to have walked past everybody that was at
Speaker 3: the back of that group to get into that corner.
Speaker 3: And are you telling me that in the sixty some
Speaker 3: odd years since this happened, no one has come out
Speaker 3: and said, that's Oswald in the corner. He was there
Speaker 3: the whole time. No one Why as there's such an
Speaker 3: intimidation factor that all of these people standing.
Speaker 4: On that doorway that had a chance to see Oswald.
Speaker 3: Would not bring up the fact that, hey, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: you know, if you guys are refusing Oswald this, he
Speaker 3: was out there with us. Nobody puts him out there,
Speaker 3: no one, even people that don't have a vested interest
Speaker 3: in it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: How he got all those people? No one saw him.
Speaker 2: I will tell you one weird occurrence where somebody does
Speaker 2: say he was outside, but it couldn't have been in
Speaker 2: the prayer man position based on this, and that is
Speaker 2: that if you remember doing the mock trial, Will Wesley
Speaker 2: Fraser says Oswald is in that doorway, not the you know,
Speaker 2: not the love Lady character, but he says that he's
Speaker 2: behind him, which is weird. During that mock trial, and
Speaker 2: Bill Wesley Fraser claimed to be out there too. Nowadays
Speaker 2: he's got an open story about Arstaw.
Speaker 3: Have to go back and check all that you say.
Speaker 3: In the mock trial, he said Oswalt was behind him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they asked he was behind love Lady somehow because
Speaker 2: they asked him, is this Oswald in the doorway? And
Speaker 2: he said, no, that's Bill Lovelady. But Oswald is further
Speaker 2: back there. How do you know that? Because I was
Speaker 2: back there. It's very weird, and it's it's in his
Speaker 2: testimony though. Check it out. That's the only contradiction.
Speaker 6: I've ever really knew another. Yeah, sorry, And there's another
Speaker 6: picture of a guy in dungarees and T shirt. You
Speaker 6: could see him being talked to by a cop right
Speaker 6: inside the window, and one frame sure looks like Oswald.
Speaker 2: Really, I'd love to see that frame.
Speaker 3: Do you know.
Speaker 2: Which photographs I'd have to look at to find it
Speaker 2: or which film?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I'll have the Jack or Google Drive
Speaker 6: to find it, but I will find it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please do. I'd love to see it. You know. Look,
Speaker 2: I'm willing to take a look at anything that is
Speaker 2: outside of the official explanation, But prayer man, I do.
Speaker 3: I'm aware of a picture. I'm aware of a picture
Speaker 3: that shows a guy standing down the steps talking to
Speaker 3: a cop that people claiming look like Osway, But that
Speaker 3: was right after the fat Oswald was already gone by then.
Speaker 3: But I haven't seen one where he's actually in the building.
Speaker 3: But if you remember correctly, when he was leaving, who
Speaker 3: was the reporter that said he saw Oswald on the
Speaker 3: way out, Oswalt told him where the phones were have
Speaker 3: been a photo taken during that time when he's talking
Speaker 3: to somebody Oswaldalt was an FBI guy, But he was
Speaker 3: a reporter.
Speaker 2: Was that Robin.
Speaker 6: Was the PBS guy Neil and an old Lair warmon
Speaker 6: Jim Lair? Maybe, yeah, but I don't believe that that
Speaker 6: guy not product him.
Speaker 2: You don't believe the reporter.
Speaker 6: I don't believe that account because something what was it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's full of stories. He also says that he
Speaker 6: watched Walter Krinkik just crying before he did the law.
Speaker 6: He's just a ship talker.
Speaker 2: Well, that guy will cease. Well that that's weird because
Speaker 2: the guy that would have been going for the phone
Speaker 2: I think was calling NBC, and Walter Kronkit was on CBS,
Speaker 2: so I don't know how he watched that, and they
Speaker 2: didn't even have the cameras warmed up. That's why you
Speaker 2: see the CBS logo on the initial JFK announcement. So
Speaker 2: nobody saw Walter conkait that outside of New York.
Speaker 6: There's two guys Chuck Chuck, the guys one of the yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm saying, McLear, and the other dude they were talking
Speaker 6: about Jack Kay. One of them was elsewhere and one
Speaker 6: was in Dallas, right, the guy with Dallas, Yeah, he
Speaker 6: says he's seen as well. I don't believe that cry.
Speaker 6: And then the guy that says that he was wherever
Speaker 6: Conkkite was and the Kankkite was reversing, crying and all that.
Speaker 6: I don't they believe that, gay, No.
Speaker 2: I don't be The.
Speaker 6: Ball of the story is TBS is saving.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, But the guy wasn't on PBS at
Speaker 2: the time, right, he was on NBC, right, because it
Speaker 2: was Robin McNeill.
Speaker 6: Was locked or wasn't even such a bayless PB aspect.
Speaker 6: Then this was all up thirty forty years after the fact.
Speaker 2: Well, they did that public radio back then, but they
Speaker 2: I guess they didn't have the PBS network exactly.
Speaker 6: Okay, they had public broadcasts stuff, but it just wasn't
Speaker 6: called PPS. It's called something else, Yeah, something dumping system.
Speaker 2: Animal fair enough, but look either way, the guy I
Speaker 2: think you're thinking it was Robin McNeil and that guy
Speaker 2: if you remember the thing on NBC when they're passing
Speaker 2: around that black box and trying to attach it to
Speaker 2: the phone on NBC during the live you know, cut
Speaker 2: to when they finally turned on the and started putting
Speaker 2: a videotape in so that they could record it. Because
Speaker 2: at first you know, they only have audio of NBC's
Speaker 2: TV report because somebody forgotten to put a videotape in
Speaker 2: and the audio was being carried on radio stations. That's
Speaker 2: the only reason why that was recorded. Anyway, when they
Speaker 2: finally do get around to it, if you remember, very
Speaker 2: shortly thereafter, they're trying to get a live report from
Speaker 2: Dallas from somebody who's on the phone, and they've got
Speaker 2: this black box they're trying to put on the phones
Speaker 2: and it keeps meeting back and giving them trouble and
Speaker 2: all this mess. Anyways, Look, if anybody else wants to
Speaker 2: call in, and of course we could break with another topic,
Speaker 2: anyone of any kind. I mean, we've been on now
Speaker 2: almost an hour and a half, an hour and twenty anyway,
Speaker 2: doing this discussion already. But you out there listening right
Speaker 2: now could call join in and you're you know, carry
Speaker 2: on this discussion or take it further. If not, we'll
Speaker 2: go back to Jimmy James. But I put them on
Speaker 2: hold for now, and uh eight, we don't have to
Speaker 2: talk all JMK. We can talk about anything, anything at all.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, I have a Trump story. Maybe we
Speaker 2: should go over. It's a little weird watching the media
Speaker 2: beginning to bend and change at the moment, because you know,
Speaker 2: it sounds to me like I don't know, people are
Speaker 2: starting to change their minds about certain things when it
Speaker 2: comes to this past selection. Then again, maybe it's my imagination.
Speaker 2: But the things that I told you and predicted, I
Speaker 2: stick to them. And we'll take a break. Three one nine, five,
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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, segment number two of the live open mic
Speaker 2: Friday night. And hopefully it's not overdriven and too loud
Speaker 2: there on the broadcast. And if you're catching the podcast
Speaker 2: to this, man, I really wish you were here live
Speaker 2: because I've got at least uh what twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: I'll go thirty more minutes right now, that's a guarantee,
Speaker 2: but if more people call in, I'll go longer tonight.
Speaker 2: So far, only Jimmy James has joined us, and he
Speaker 2: asked a little something about the conference and told us
Speaker 2: that he believes in prayer man, you know, and we
Speaker 2: had a little argument between myself and him and then
Speaker 2: repeating him. But we don't have to do JMK stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can tell you more about the conference.
Speaker 2: I was a little disturbed by the fact that, you know,
Speaker 2: the moment of silence had to be, you know, invaded
Speaker 2: by people trying to block traffic on Elm Street. I
Speaker 2: was also disturbed by the fact that Judy Baker has
Speaker 2: now made herself part of the memorial there lovely and
Speaker 2: she's on stage, you know, telling people about all the
Speaker 2: wonderful things. How we got to take these fresh American
Speaker 2: flags that they handed out to people, go put them
Speaker 2: on the Kennedy Memorial over there, and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2: And here's your moment of silence, and then Q A
Speaker 2: and on is going to block the street. I don't
Speaker 2: even know what they were protesting. I mean, this particular year,
Speaker 2: they weren't waiting for JFK Junior, right anyway, it was
Speaker 2: what it was. It is what it is, and you
Speaker 2: might we have something entirely different on your mind. In fact,
Speaker 2: maybe you want to tell me about the Turkey Deep Pride,
Speaker 2: whatever it is. Call in three one nine, five two
Speaker 2: seven five zero one six three one nine five two
Speaker 2: seven five zero one six. And if you don't call in,
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to give all the rest of
Speaker 2: the airtime devoted to callers to Jimmy James. And that's
Speaker 2: the way that is. But if Mora join. Maybe we'll
Speaker 2: go longer. How about that, b Pete? Any other news
Speaker 2: that we might want to get to before we uh,
Speaker 2: you know, wind up running completely out of time on something.
Speaker 4: Uh Now, one time I've been bounce around trying to
Speaker 4: find this.
Speaker 3: Oh, I do want to give a clarification to gentlemen
Speaker 3: that I were talking about that were with news agencies.
Speaker 3: Was Pierce Halmon and Terrence Forward. Now you wanted me
Speaker 3: to look up Robert McNeil, and I just looked up
Speaker 3: a a mention of him. He was actually home with
Speaker 3: the press. Boss went and looked behind the stockade fence.
Speaker 3: He says he went to the building about four minutes
Speaker 3: after and saw Oswald when.
Speaker 2: He went through, right. But he's the first guy I
Speaker 2: remember ever asking Oswald where the phones were, So he asked,
Speaker 2: and it's.
Speaker 4: Weird because they talk about phones, you know.
Speaker 3: That was something that Bill Shelley claimed he did in
Speaker 3: his original police report. Was after they came after they
Speaker 3: went part way down the road and came back and
Speaker 3: saw the young lady that came up and said he
Speaker 3: had been shot.
Speaker 4: He immediately went back in and called his wife.
Speaker 3: It was only after people found out that Oswald said
Speaker 3: that he saw Bill Shelley and loved Lady out front,
Speaker 3: that the whole story changed about oh no, we went
Speaker 3: down and checked out the tracks and what came in
Speaker 3: the back door blah blah blah. But in his initial report,
Speaker 3: Bill Shelley says it immediately after this happened, he went
Speaker 3: back inside and called his wife to tell her what
Speaker 3: had happened. But McNeil is that a big discrepancy?
Speaker 2: Sure? But McNeil is the guy that I was talking
Speaker 2: about where he's trying to call into NBC and he
Speaker 2: ends up on that red black box thing and then
Speaker 2: finally they figure out the way to patch the phone
Speaker 2: call straight through to on air.
Speaker 3: But at first apparently there was a payphone in the lobby,
Speaker 3: but people were on the payphone. In fact, that's where
Speaker 3: Almon called in to WFAA. McNeil I think he certinted
Speaker 3: him back to the collar where there was also phones,
Speaker 3: and then there was phones, you know, in Shelly's office
Speaker 3: and Truvy's office and things like that. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know specifically which phone. I'd have to do
Speaker 3: some research and find out which twenty set he used.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because some guy, I mean, obviously people clogged up
Speaker 2: the payphone, and there was like one or two payphones
Speaker 2: in the building, I guess for public use. And then
Speaker 2: some of the officers, like you said, had phones in them.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, I don't think all the officers had phones,
Speaker 2: but there was probably one there. And the guy, you know,
Speaker 2: was saying, I'm from NBC. You know I need to
Speaker 2: call New York. That guy might have gotten, you know,
Speaker 2: used to a phone. So I'm thinking McNeil might have
Speaker 2: been the guy who asked to use an office phone.
Speaker 2: I don't know, or maybe he was the FAA guy
Speaker 2: because they'd be familiar with the local team. I'm from
Speaker 2: your local TV station and that would have been a
Speaker 2: bigger deal in sixty three. Maybe that's the guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And all this was going on while Truey was
Speaker 3: trooping up the steers up to the roof.
Speaker 2: Right, and then eventually you get Russ Wise, right, who
Speaker 2: ends up that's the FAA guy, right, the guy who
Speaker 2: was He's like, I'm sorry, I'm out of breath. I
Speaker 2: just came back and the vision's been shot, and right,
Speaker 2: and he winds up interviewing Bill Bill and Gail Newman
Speaker 2: and uh and and later on Abraham subruter, I think,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, and stuff like that in the studio.
Speaker 2: But that's after they cut into the feed, right, because
Speaker 2: before that they were broadcasting the National Soap Opera at
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Yeah, and that was something and I, you know,
Speaker 3: not I don't enjoy getting into it, Virginia, of things
Speaker 3: like this, but it's this is something that I completely
Speaker 3: went in death, I mean's super in depth on a
Speaker 3: blog post when I started taking on Jered McKnight's breach
Speaker 3: of trust and the claims that he made him there,
Speaker 3: which generally, sorry, I've got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, generally I liked Gerald mcnight's book when I first
Speaker 2: read it, but you know, a few things fell apart
Speaker 2: as I looked into them myself. And I don't remember
Speaker 2: his claim as to where Ozma was because I got
Speaker 2: caught up on a bunch of other things, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, And it's.
Speaker 3: Wrong, and I seen about when I forget him that
Speaker 3: i'd have to scroll through. But when the one lady
Speaker 3: that worked there said that she supposedly ripped back and
Speaker 3: saw Oswald and it was this time and they.
Speaker 4: Really that the FBI actually changed her statement.
Speaker 3: And she wasn't Carolyn Arnold. You know, there was some different.
Speaker 4: Stories about what she claimed and this and that.
Speaker 3: Apparently the FBI changed her statement and she didn't know
Speaker 3: about it until years later when somebody showed.
Speaker 2: It to her.
Speaker 3: In fact, in the article that was in the news,
Speaker 3: she explained her shop. The FBI attributed the turning false
Speaker 3: narrative of Oswald being on the first floor to her,
Speaker 3: and when she saw it, it's just kind of theater
Speaker 3: that they would make those statements. And this was years
Speaker 3: after I'm trying to nineteen seventy eight, I think was
Speaker 3: when the article came out, or Bolts with the Dallas
Speaker 3: Wanting News actually did the interviews with herren Ol. When
Speaker 3: he pointed this out to hers, he goes, oh wait
Speaker 3: a minute, said, I didn't say anything like that, And
Speaker 3: I dissected and actually get copies of the statements that
Speaker 3: were made. It was one of my longer blog posts
Speaker 3: I really had. It was this one took hours to
Speaker 3: put together. You know what I always meant, It was
Speaker 3: all because of Jay Midnight and the claims that Ralson
Speaker 3: Kay was making it all right, well, listen to all
Speaker 3: we thought that he was out fault with the Shelley
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well again, I I don't I don't cry, and
Speaker 2: I'll tell you something else. It's funny, is that, you know,
Speaker 2: thinking back, there were a lot of claims as to
Speaker 2: where Oswald was right, A lot of people have had
Speaker 2: different ideas about as to where he was. It's very
Speaker 2: difficult to nail it down just is I'm sorry, but
Speaker 2: it is, you know, and uh but but I can't
Speaker 2: put him in this prayer man position. And to me,
Speaker 2: it's just a blurry picture, really is. I mean outside
Speaker 2: of this one notation that Fritz made, which is, you know,
Speaker 2: doesn't give me any context around that notation or anything.
Speaker 2: I don't see any other recording or you know, somebody
Speaker 2: else stating that, you know, he said this, everything else
Speaker 2: including that statement to you know, at the time of
Speaker 2: the shooting where you were in the building, naturally I was.
Speaker 2: I worked there, you know, like almost like what he's stupid?
Speaker 2: Uh well, the strange thing I'm just saying, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But I didn't want to argue about prayer Man tonight.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to argue about nothing. I'd much rather
Speaker 2: pull together on the stuff that we can agree on.
Speaker 2: You know, the idea that Oswald is not the sole
Speaker 2: party responsible for the assassination. We should be able to
Speaker 2: agree on that.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't buy it when I started, when
Speaker 3: I when I first came on this show, I remember
Speaker 3: people automatically assumed that I accepted the War Commission's positions
Speaker 3: on things. And I think it opened a couple of
Speaker 3: people's eyes when I told him, no, that's not I
Speaker 3: don't take the warn commition, you know, word for word
Speaker 3: as Gospel I said in one of the somebody asked me,
Speaker 3: I remember, somebody asked me specifically if I thought Oswald
Speaker 3: did it.
Speaker 6: I thought, I think he.
Speaker 4: Was involved, but I don't think he was a shooter.
Speaker 3: And someone asked me, then, well, where if you think
Speaker 3: he was, he had been? How fun is No? He
Speaker 3: always claimed he was in the building. He was in
Speaker 3: the building for a reason. He just then figured out
Speaker 3: what that was right, and as.
Speaker 2: To precisely what Flory was on and everything else, this
Speaker 2: is a problem too. I mean, if you can't put
Speaker 2: him on the sixth floor, you can't put him on
Speaker 2: the sixth floor. And that's another funny thing is when
Speaker 2: I went to I don't know if I told this
Speaker 2: part of the story from the weekend on the show,
Speaker 2: and I'll let Jimmy James back on because nobody else
Speaker 2: has joined us. Three one nine five two seven five
Speaker 2: zero one six. I'll tell you a weird thing that happened.
Speaker 2: I walk into arguments all the time, be pete that
Speaker 2: I don't want to get into. You don't know how
Speaker 2: often I don't even want to participate in the arguments
Speaker 2: when I get asked a question and people ask me
Speaker 2: questions and then have to argue with me. Two things
Speaker 2: happened this weekend where the people tried to drag me
Speaker 2: into arguments I didn't want and I didn't want to
Speaker 2: argue with Jimmy about prayer Man either. Just he asked
Speaker 2: my opinion, I gave it. Like it. But it's weird
Speaker 2: a lot of times. And I'm not even saying Jimmy
Speaker 2: did this, But these two people over the weekend did
Speaker 2: this very strange thing to me where they ask you
Speaker 2: a question, they want your opinion, and then because your
Speaker 2: opinion doesn't match theirs, they now go at you and
Speaker 2: won't leave you alone until you give in to their opinion. Okay,
Speaker 2: well maybe so, and maybe that's you know. Look, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying I can't stand that crap. You ask my opinion.
Speaker 2: You asked my opinion. A separate thing is to ask
Speaker 2: me if I want to debate it? All right, But okay,
Speaker 2: so I'll give you the two things that happened where
Speaker 2: somebody asked my opinion and then had to drag me
Speaker 2: into with like almost refused to let me walk away
Speaker 2: without arguing. Okay. The first one was out in the
Speaker 2: smoking section, and I suspect almost that this is the
Speaker 2: guy who got everybody sick last year, by the way,
Speaker 2: but I could I couldn't quite confirm his identity, so
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure. If you were there, I would ask
Speaker 2: you if he was the guy, because I think it
Speaker 2: might have been. But anyway, he came over to me,
Speaker 2: and he came over to me a couple of times
Speaker 2: during the conference to, you know, let me know that
Speaker 2: I could get a six dollars cup of coffee at
Speaker 2: the restaurant and this and that and whatever, because they
Speaker 2: had closed a really good coffee shop for the weekend,
Speaker 2: so it was open on Friday, but not on Saturday
Speaker 2: or Sunday. Anyway, I appreciated that information. But at some point,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure if it was Sunday morning or
Speaker 2: if it was Saturday afternoon, one of those two points. Though,
Speaker 2: He comes to me and says, hey, I need to
Speaker 2: ask you a question. Your opinion about this? Okay? Sure?
Speaker 2: Why is it that nobody is bringing up that information
Speaker 2: from the Secret Service agent last year? What information?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And he starts talking to me about guess what the
Speaker 2: Secret Service agents said that he had the bullet in
Speaker 2: hand and put it on the stretcher. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, right, So I said, well, I'll put
Speaker 2: it to you this way, my friend. Why is it
Speaker 2: not coming up? Because maybe more legitimate information needs to
Speaker 2: be discussed. And I got a hard time believing the
Speaker 2: guy who was on tour with the Kennedy Detailed Book
Speaker 2: tour at one point, he was part of one of
Speaker 2: the documentaries and all that he never brings this up.
Speaker 2: He never brought it up before. Now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: he put a mystery bullet on a stretcher. And I'm
Speaker 2: telling you that I think the majority of researchers can't
Speaker 2: make that square with other information that they have that
Speaker 2: they do believe is reliable. So it's not coming up
Speaker 2: because it's probably not valid according to those of us
Speaker 2: who have looked in this, you know, and he all
Speaker 2: of a sudden started getting upset. A guy wouldn't make
Speaker 2: that kind of thing up at eighty years old. I said, okay,
Speaker 2: if that's your opinion, a guy wouldn't make that up
Speaker 2: because he's that old. That's it. No problem. If that's
Speaker 2: your opinion. That's your opinion. But you asked me why
Speaker 2: I thought it wasn't coming up. Well, maybe it's because
Speaker 2: the people here, and that means all of them don't
Speaker 2: have a need for another piece of invalid information. I
Speaker 2: don't buy it myself. It doesn't make sense a matter
Speaker 2: of fact. You know, some of his testimony contradicts the
Speaker 2: stuff that he had. Now, why would he put it
Speaker 2: in a book? He says, you like, getting interrupted me,
Speaker 2: I said, why would he put it in a book? Well,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that book sold really well for a
Speaker 2: little while. And sometimes people put things in books just
Speaker 2: to sell books, not necessarily to tell the truth. Right,
Speaker 2: or do you not believe that somebody would put something
Speaker 2: in a book that's untrue? The guy was relentless at
Speaker 2: somebody at that age. Come on, that's just what's wrong
Speaker 2: with you? Why can't you, Hey, you asked me, and
Speaker 2: I told you what I thought. Meanwhile, you could ask
Speaker 2: everybody else here the same question. Why they're not bringing
Speaker 2: up this guy's story about putting the bullet on the
Speaker 2: stretcher and all. I bet though, you're going to find
Speaker 2: that they didn't buy it. Pretty simple. Not every story
Speaker 2: that comes out about the Kennedy assassination is true. You
Speaker 2: got to agree to that, otherwise you'd be at the
Speaker 2: Judy conference. Okay, So where was that? And this guy
Speaker 2: like really seriously kind of followed me a little bit
Speaker 2: into the hotel out of the smoking section when I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get away from him and get back to
Speaker 2: the conference so I can go do my job. Anyhow,
Speaker 2: I let that one go. But also, you know our
Speaker 2: friend that calls himself creative accidents, Well, he really badly
Speaker 2: wanted me to do a lightning tour through the sixth
Speaker 2: floor museum with him right now. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I ever told you this, but I've never actually been
Speaker 2: to the sixth floor museum personally. So I said, well,
Speaker 2: I've never been in. I think it's twenty bucks, I
Speaker 2: think twenty or twenty five dollars. Yeah, it's not the
Speaker 2: you know, for a long time they had a really
Speaker 2: cheap admission, but no more. It's you know, it's an attraction.
Speaker 2: And they got a line, a good line during the
Speaker 2: weekend that syncs up with the assassination. You can imagine
Speaker 2: that's probably, you know, one of their best days of
Speaker 2: business of the year. Right. So we're there on the
Speaker 2: on Friday, exactly on Friday when I had gone and
Speaker 2: seen the moment of silence and all that. So he says, well,
Speaker 2: before we go an uber back to the hotel, let's
Speaker 2: go up in the sixth floor museum. I said, look, man,
Speaker 2: it's it's an expensive ticket. I can't stay there more
Speaker 2: than like a couple of minutes. He says, I'll pay
Speaker 2: for it, don't worry about it. Let's go. That's all right.
Speaker 2: So I go up there and he's taking pictures of me.
Speaker 2: I got a whole bunch of pictures on me. Actually,
Speaker 2: he's taking pictures on me by some of the exhibits,
Speaker 2: and he's asking me a couple of different questions about
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that's up on the wall. You
Speaker 2: ever been in there, VPTE.
Speaker 3: Well, I've never been. I wanted to go last year
Speaker 3: while we were there, but we just didn't have time
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 2: And by the way, it looks like they might invite
Speaker 2: me back just to MC again, just so you know.
Speaker 2: And I really want to put together more of a
Speaker 2: group trip with friends and stuff, and I think Mike
Speaker 2: I could probably convince Mike to go one more time.
Speaker 6: And was, Yes, he was.
Speaker 2: He did a presentation with Doug. Yes, Scooter Joe was
Speaker 2: present anyway, and Gail Gail did a presentation. I ended
Speaker 2: up sitting on the stage with her for it, and
Speaker 2: I was really happy to do so. So you know,
Speaker 2: we had Gail Nick Jackson doing her thing, and yeah,
Speaker 2: Scooter and Doug Campbell from the Dallas Action and JFK.
Speaker 2: Quick Hits was also there. Rob wasn't there. I don't
Speaker 2: know why. He never seems to be able to get
Speaker 2: to go. But anyway, so we go up into the
Speaker 2: sixth floor museum. We're going through these exhibits. He's taking pictures.
Speaker 2: I told you all that I had to get rid
Speaker 2: of my soda before we went in, so I did.
Speaker 2: I found it ironic in front of that I had
Speaker 2: to throw out a coke before I could go onto
Speaker 2: the sixth floor. But anyway, we go in there and
Speaker 2: we go to these screens and they have this the
Speaker 2: screen near the window where they say, look, if you
Speaker 2: look through this window over here, it's similar to the
Speaker 2: assassin's point of view and all that. And they even
Speaker 2: had another display up on another floor for some reason.
Speaker 2: If you want to go and look at the empty
Speaker 2: floor above the sixth floor, you can, and a few
Speaker 2: other things. But anyway, before we got there, there was
Speaker 2: this screen which has a video presentation to show you,
Speaker 2: you know, the sniper's point of view and all that.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at it, and you know, the creative
Speaker 2: accident said to me, well, what do you think. I
Speaker 2: heard you say once that you thought something about another window,
Speaker 2: which one? And I said, well, now that I look
Speaker 2: at it, there's actually a couple of good spots that
Speaker 2: would have been better than this one that they claim
Speaker 2: is the window that the sniper shot from. So a
Speaker 2: guy I wasn't even talking to stepped into the conversation
Speaker 2: and he said, are you telling me that your opinion
Speaker 2: is that they should have shot from over here or
Speaker 2: over there? And I said, yes, that is what my
Speaker 2: opinion is. This guy started on me about how he's
Speaker 2: closest to that window. The president was going to be
Speaker 2: closer to that window than any other, so was the
Speaker 2: best window to shoot from? And that's where Oswald shot from.
Speaker 2: So actually he's a Oswald did it guy?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: And he's saying that's where he shot from because that's
Speaker 2: the closest way. And you obviously don't know anything about this,
Speaker 2: you know, Okay, I don't know anything about it. Sure,
Speaker 2: you're right, whatever you say. And I tried to walk
Speaker 2: away from the guy, and he kept on me about
Speaker 2: come on, that's the best window because he's closest. Can't
Speaker 2: you see he's closer there than he is at these
Speaker 2: other windows you're talking about. And I said, well, okay,
Speaker 2: but what about the idea that you could take a
Speaker 2: shot there and then also with that window open, have
Speaker 2: the ability to shoot out of the other window too.
Speaker 2: You could take multiple shots. With the way I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: he's almost going to be out of your sight right there,
Speaker 2: and God help you if you would have accelerated a
Speaker 2: little too much right there going on to the freeway,
Speaker 2: because that would have made sense. If they had sort
Speaker 2: of stepped up the pace and boom, taken off of
Speaker 2: that road like a shot, you might have not gotten
Speaker 2: a shot at all if he was waiting on that
Speaker 2: So yeah, I see where earlier in his trip, before
Speaker 2: the turn, even he could have taken a shot at him,
Speaker 2: And personally, I would have selected that if I was
Speaker 2: the guy shooting, that would have been my idea to
Speaker 2: shoot at him. Plus, you have a frontal shot where
Speaker 2: you can see you know what I mean, And he's
Speaker 2: moving towards you. Should be moving towards you in a
Speaker 2: straight line, so you don't have lateral movement, not a problem.
Speaker 2: Once he straightens out on that turn, you've got a
Speaker 2: significant whole block to take a shot at him. In
Speaker 2: my mind, but again, you ask my opinion, so this
Speaker 2: guy wouldn't leave me. So all I'm saying is that
Speaker 2: sometimes when people ask for your opinion, if you don't
Speaker 2: match their opinion, you have to know that there's a
Speaker 2: secondary thing in mind, which is I'm now going to
Speaker 2: argue with you. You to my point of view, because
Speaker 2: I wasn't interested in your opinion. I was just interested
Speaker 2: if in somebody else agreed with me. And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying Jimmy does this. I'm just saying I hate that
Speaker 2: I sometimes people ask for an opinion, I am tempted
Speaker 2: to give them none because they don't want the opinion.
Speaker 2: You might as well just ask them what their situation
Speaker 2: is so you know whether you're going to have an
Speaker 2: argument or not, and then you can choose to say
Speaker 2: nothing in response. You could try that, but I have
Speaker 2: a feeling with the two guys that I dealt with
Speaker 2: this weekend. That weekend, I think for some reason, they
Speaker 2: would not have let me go without giving them an
Speaker 2: answer at all. And I think sometimes people lie about
Speaker 2: their opinions when pressured too for this reason, maybe because
Speaker 2: this is what they are dealing with, So I want
Speaker 2: to avoid the argument. Let me just lie and give
Speaker 2: them what they want to hear. And I think that's
Speaker 2: the way a lot of conversations go. And I think
Speaker 2: that's why communication starts to suck, because people don't want
Speaker 2: to be honest because they want to avoid the penalty
Speaker 2: for honesty, which is the argument. Now, I don't know,
Speaker 2: am I crazy? BP? What do you think?
Speaker 4: Well? It happens.
Speaker 3: Something that happens a lot, and even on different subjects.
Speaker 3: Something we deal with that constantly in our day to
Speaker 3: day where people will tell you what they think you
Speaker 3: want to hear just to avoid any other conversation yeah,
Speaker 3: and I honestly believe the way they're body for taking
Speaker 3: that position. Really, I mean because they know, look, you
Speaker 3: ask my opinion. And that's what gets me so frustrated people,
Speaker 3: you know, if they ask me my opinion, I tell
Speaker 3: them and they don't like it. It's like, well, why
Speaker 3: the world did you ask? You know, what was your purpose?
Speaker 3: Were you looking to be validated? That's going to leave
Speaker 3: a validation is the law, dude.
Speaker 2: But that's the funny thing is they're coming to anybody
Speaker 2: for validation, and obviously you don't know me well enough
Speaker 2: if you don't sort of know some of my opinions,
Speaker 2: So you want me random person to validate you for
Speaker 2: some reason? Why? You know? There's the big question. So
Speaker 2: the guy who wanted me to validate Paul whatever his
Speaker 2: freaking name was, the Secret Service agent's And I still
Speaker 2: believe that's BS. By the way, just like Bill Wesley Frasier,
Speaker 2: a lot of his stuff that he has said in
Speaker 2: recent years and written in that book, I think he's
Speaker 2: spill of crap.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what was it here? Just a couple of years?
Speaker 3: Was it ten years ago when he made this comment
Speaker 3: and he saw Oswald? When you bat in the back
Speaker 3: of the building and walk down the street.
Speaker 2: Well he's another.
Speaker 3: Those commies ever said that was sixty some odd views.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he put Oswald in sixty years. At that point
Speaker 2: he had not said this. And now he's got Oswald
Speaker 2: across the street or whatever, leaving at a weird time
Speaker 2: and okay, whatever. But I think that Buell has adjusted
Speaker 2: his and I think he probably was pressured to adjust
Speaker 2: his testimony from the beginning. I mean, they went after him,
Speaker 2: they were threatening to charge him. You know that day,
Speaker 2: like you were working with him, You gave him a ride,
Speaker 2: you were I mean, that's what I'm thinking is you
Speaker 2: were working with him because you gave him a ride,
Speaker 2: mostly but simply because they knew him and he was
Speaker 2: staying right you know where he was. His sister's house
Speaker 2: is near the house where his wife stayed. I think
Speaker 2: they were on Frasier saying, we'll make you part of this,
Speaker 2: we'll sweep you into it. You better tell us something.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he and he hold the car of it.
Speaker 4: What was he had to go to the hospital to
Speaker 4: visit somebody.
Speaker 3: And then it was after that that he went to
Speaker 3: the police station because they were looking for him, and
Speaker 3: he went down there and that's when they he said
Speaker 3: he almost got a fist fight with Fritz.
Speaker 2: And they were on him, Hey, look you have this.
Speaker 2: He had an Enfield rifle. I think, right, so you
Speaker 2: have a rifle. You could have been part of this.
Speaker 2: And I think he was pressured then and I know
Speaker 2: other researchers that pressured him over the years. That's why
Speaker 2: he went away for a while.
Speaker 3: You know, it's got to be hard on any of
Speaker 3: those people that no, I don't know how that they
Speaker 3: and some of them have quit talking about it. They
Speaker 3: just have refused all requests and you can't really blame them.
Speaker 3: I mean, they've been handed for sixty years over this stuff.
Speaker 2: Well that's the other thing is that there are some
Speaker 2: people that did try to, like you know, be friendly
Speaker 2: and fair about it and open about it. And because
Speaker 2: they saw their words twisted or they saw things misrepresented,
Speaker 2: or they saw people you know, trying to twist their
Speaker 2: words and get them, they just stopped, you know. And Plus,
Speaker 2: if it's bad me dealing with crazy theories, imagine if
Speaker 2: I was a witness, I definitely would not want to
Speaker 2: hear from these people that want to argue with me
Speaker 2: and tell me about what I saw, and you know
Speaker 2: that that happens to those people all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Good, just sort of curiosity. What do you think one
Speaker 3: of these billboard trucks would cost to rent for an hour?
Speaker 3: Two or two?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I was so mad I couldn't
Speaker 2: get near Judy by.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, well, you know now that Judy has worked away,
Speaker 3: you know, they've been doing this memorial thing for quite
Speaker 3: some time, this moment of silence, She's been doing that
Speaker 3: for years down there. Well, I don't know they were
Speaker 3: doing it first time where it actually hit on the
Speaker 3: twenty second, but maybe they're wondering if they're going to
Speaker 3: do it again next year. If I go, what it
Speaker 3: would cost me to get one of those billboard trucks
Speaker 3: to just drive circles through dvie plast with that wanted
Speaker 3: poster I put together plastered on the side of it.
Speaker 4: I don't know it conveniently just keep riding by the noles.
Speaker 2: It would be hysterical. I'd love to see how we
Speaker 2: could get that done. And I was so mad that
Speaker 2: I couldn't get close enough to her to hander the book.
Speaker 2: I wanted to just handle Walt's book, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean have this deal with what where we're supposed to
Speaker 2: split the uh, you know, profits from it. But I didn't,
Speaker 2: I didn't sell it.
Speaker 4: This got out, Hey, Judy Walt said this here.
Speaker 3: Get that to her.
Speaker 2: Yep, no, no problem. But but she was on the
Speaker 2: stage there, and she's part of this group that calls
Speaker 2: itself like the Dallas Historical Society or something and or
Speaker 2: the Dallas Historical Group something like that. And it's the
Speaker 2: cover you know, for her conferences or her conferences company
Speaker 2: and all that. So that's how she keeps that running. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I guess we'll bring Jimmy James back on. Yeah, good, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can bring it back on.
Speaker 3: I got one course to the wonders the pandemic is over,
Speaker 3: Why Judy hasn't gone back to where if they had
Speaker 3: it was she was living over there or was it
Speaker 3: still no?
Speaker 4: Where was it where Sweden? Was it?
Speaker 2: Well? She tried living in Sweden and no.
Speaker 3: Evasically bought a house there, okay, and that was the
Speaker 3: part time residence. That's how she was able to stay
Speaker 3: there because she had a residence to stay in. But
Speaker 3: I'm just curious now that I mean, she's still living
Speaker 3: in Dallas from what I understand. So with the pandemic,
Speaker 3: that's why she couldn't go back. The pandemic tractor here right,
Speaker 3: and Vitus wondering, Wait a minute, did all the people
Speaker 3: that tried to kill you over the years suddenly die
Speaker 3: in the past. Did they get gone in the pandemic
Speaker 3: you'd gone back to your home?
Speaker 2: They must have, because you know she was living in exile, remember,
Speaker 2: and Glenn Vickling busted her about her whole you know,
Speaker 2: trying to seek asylum or whatever claim that she was making.
Speaker 2: And you helped the buster too. I brought that up
Speaker 2: to somebody by the way at the conference, you know,
Speaker 2: they said, well, you know, what do you think is
Speaker 2: the most ridiculous thing? You know, that would be the
Speaker 2: thing to point to Judy. I said, well, you know,
Speaker 2: while she was supposedly living in exile, a friend of
Speaker 2: mine actually, you know, got the documents showing that she
Speaker 2: had registered to vote in North Carolina. So you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can go into exile from
Speaker 2: America in North Carolina. But news to me, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I found out she moved to Dallas.
Speaker 3: I checked the voter records down there, that's why I
Speaker 3: got her addressed there, you living at Ritchie Condo there
Speaker 3: for a while. I think she's moved to somewhere else.
Speaker 3: I don't know if money got tired or what. But
Speaker 3: when she couldn't go back to Sweden, she uh, you know,
Speaker 3: she had to said take refuge in Dallas there and
Speaker 3: apparently she's still living down there.
Speaker 2: Well, who knows what she really does for her income.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, it can't be the book anymore.
Speaker 2: So uh and I don't think her uh you know, up.
Speaker 3: Off her husband social Security. So she passed away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know does she have you know, does
Speaker 2: she have the Bakers of security?
Speaker 3: The well, you know, I know that I don't know
Speaker 3: long enough. In fact, I got my notice here apparently
Speaker 3: because I haven't remarried, I could actually file a claim
Speaker 3: on my ex wife social Security if I were to
Speaker 3: get disabled or something nice.
Speaker 2: Nice. That's interesting, you know, But remember Oswald told her
Speaker 2: never to forget the name Bobby Baker. And I always
Speaker 2: found that hilarious, considering that, you know, Bobby Baker, yes,
Speaker 2: was indeed the name of somebody who worked for LBJ,
Speaker 2: but also happened to be the name of guess who
Speaker 2: her husband, Robert Baker, just saying, yes, bring.
Speaker 3: Jimmy back, and we're all, yeah, let's bring Jimmy.
Speaker 2: Back on see what else Jimmy's got. Maybe he wants
Speaker 2: to go into something else, you know, But I say,
Speaker 2: email this stuff to us, let us take a look
Speaker 2: at it, and you know, we got some other evidence
Speaker 2: or documents. Please let's do that and not argue about
Speaker 2: anything else. Maybe we can talk about something else to
Speaker 2: close out the show tonight, you know, get through it.
Speaker 2: But hopefully you guys enjoyed the little anecdotes and stories
Speaker 2: from Dealey and and also the downtown Marriott, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, superior hotel. I think we're going to go
Speaker 2: back there, not gonna go be going back to that
Speaker 2: freaking oh god, other place.
Speaker 6: Lose the name of that joint.
Speaker 2: Lorenzo. Yeah, I know, it's terrible. I really really hope
Speaker 2: they never ever end up with a contract there, because
Speaker 2: the contract for this place definitely well worth it. I
Speaker 2: was happy with it, and so was the family too.
Speaker 2: So just saying because I had Frankie and missus Oh
Speaker 2: with me at the conference and I was happy to
Speaker 2: do that, it might have been easier on me if
Speaker 2: I didn't have them with me. But you know, look,
Speaker 2: and it was rough for her to do the drive
Speaker 2: in a day, for sure, but you know we got
Speaker 2: through it. We survived. I know you've done it. You
Speaker 2: did it faster, by the way, than we did. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure how exactly, because she's got a fairly heavy wind.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean she's got a fairly heavy foot too. So
Speaker 2: I thought we'd get there just as fast. But nope,
Speaker 2: not really. I think we were fourteen or fourteen and
Speaker 2: a half hours getting there.
Speaker 6: We did it just over twelve, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, And I don't know, just seemed quick.
Speaker 2: Any you, let's bring Jimmy back and Jimmy, Yeah, if
Speaker 2: you got something else you want to bring up or whatever. Man,
Speaker 2: you know, the floor is yours.
Speaker 6: As Mark, Okay, advice of mine. You guys, we're just.
Speaker 7: Well, uh, we're just on tram man.
Speaker 6: I'll just stick up for the doll, that's all.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. So let's see. Sounds like reading in
Speaker 2: the chat room I found this money. Uh, sounds like
Speaker 2: there are a lot of nod dolls in Dallas, according
Speaker 2: to and in this chat room. Not selling me. I'm
Speaker 2: going there next year, Chuck, Well, you know it will
Speaker 2: be a more interesting conference next year, because here's the reality.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be more involved with the conference next
Speaker 2: year if I do this. So I promise you that
Speaker 2: you're looking at a better conference next year, because I'm
Speaker 2: going to say.
Speaker 3: I have to say though, you meet some interesting people,
Speaker 3: just like Creative only time in the room that you
Speaker 3: know he is. I met him. You a really interesting guy,
Speaker 3: Mike Swanson, a great guy. Loved that you could sit
Speaker 3: and talk to him for hours about anything. So I
Speaker 3: was a little you know, I didn't get to see
Speaker 3: a lot of presentations because a lot of times when
Speaker 3: you were running back and forth, I was there, man
Speaker 3: in the book desk. But I met some very very
Speaker 3: interesting people, people that you won't forget the rest of
Speaker 3: your life. And I would have loved to have been
Speaker 3: able to call this time just to sit down and
Speaker 3: talk with Mike, because I mean, I all, I just
Speaker 3: find his I just find him fascinating him creative. Now
Speaker 3: you can sit there Creative as the guy you want
Speaker 3: to have when you're sitting around drinking beers.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know that's just from.
Speaker 3: The stories that they tell you. And I'll tell you
Speaker 3: and Doug. I mean meeting Doug for the first time
Speaker 3: and talking to him about connections between K pop.
Speaker 4: And the New Thing clan, and I was just it's
Speaker 4: an amazing.
Speaker 3: Group of people. And I did finally get to meet
Speaker 3: gil Nis, so it was all worth it. I would say,
Speaker 3: for friends, you gotta go, it's it's a you gotta
Speaker 3: go at least to one.
Speaker 2: Right, and I'm telling you it's going to be a
Speaker 2: much more interesting conference. I met this guy, Scott Edwards,
Speaker 2: who is going to be a guest on the show,
Speaker 2: and he has done podcasts about Ready for This one
Speaker 2: about Stanley Kubrick, but also he's written a book about
Speaker 2: Jack Nicholson, and I just I find this guy interesting
Speaker 2: and I think he's got a great voice, and I
Speaker 2: think he's going to be a cool conversation. And there's
Speaker 2: an author I totally didn't expect to run into, but
Speaker 2: it was. It was a light attendance this year. Next
Speaker 2: year it's almost a guarantee because we discovered that for
Speaker 2: some reason during election years, okay, because they have twenty
Speaker 2: eight years to look back at as far as attendance goes.
Speaker 2: Every four years when the presidential election happens, guess what
Speaker 2: attendance drops, So you know, I think that just automatically,
Speaker 2: we're gonna have more attendance next year, and it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a more diversified group, you know. I was saying
Speaker 2: also that Larry wasn't there this year, but good.
Speaker 6: Depression. Of course it's still.
Speaker 3: Rough years.
Speaker 7: As well. About the the characters, I don't believe it,
Speaker 7: So what were they really Queer's foot Pallas though, because
Speaker 7: that's who was zaggrevat the Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: Parade there is well.
Speaker 2: That is who they claimed to be. I don't know
Speaker 2: if who's covered it at all, but that is more
Speaker 2: thing to be you and on yeah.
Speaker 3: The because I saw just I don't know if this
Speaker 3: is you know, one of those coincidences, but it was
Speaker 3: about two weeks ago when I had the flu and
Speaker 3: I was homesick. I happened to go on to Be
Speaker 3: and saw the movie q which talks about how QAnon
Speaker 3: got started, the guys that set it up, when they
Speaker 3: made the jump from four chan to eight chan today.
Speaker 3: And it was an amazing documentary to sit there and watch.
Speaker 9: And I can't remember if it was on Netflix or
Speaker 9: who did the actually production of it, but there was
Speaker 9: a series of you know, it was like in five
Speaker 9: segments or six segments whatever.
Speaker 3: That's the one where they got around there and it
Speaker 3: was amazing.
Speaker 2: They're chasing around the little guy who's in a wheelchair
Speaker 2: and right, yeah, okay, that was a reasonally on Netflix.
Speaker 2: I watched that like two years ago.
Speaker 3: I think when it was brand I was amazed. I
Speaker 3: mean because I had no knowledge. I was I never
Speaker 3: really caught the q Andon thing. It was something blew
Speaker 3: by me. I happen to see a couple of people
Speaker 3: on Facebook that would make references to them in all
Speaker 3: and some of that Outlantas Rapp a excellent ser Well,
Speaker 3: let me.
Speaker 2: Put it to you this way. It's the same type
Speaker 2: of people, and the signs they were holding up and
Speaker 2: stuff all represented QA non type things. Okay, but they
Speaker 2: weren't waiting for our for JFK Junior to show up
Speaker 2: this time. They had been on the NOLA a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago screaming that JFK Junior was going to
Speaker 2: show up on the anniversary and become Trump's vice presidential
Speaker 2: candidate right a few years back. But they didn't do
Speaker 2: that this time. They were just out there just with
Speaker 2: their signs and out of nowhere. It seems like they
Speaker 2: formed a human chain right at the time that the
Speaker 2: moment of silence was being held from a stage which
Speaker 2: was up on the hill. You know, they have a
Speaker 2: stage up on the hill, and a whole lot of
Speaker 2: people are standing down hill, down the hole, watching what's
Speaker 2: going on. And the next thing I know is a
Speaker 2: human chain gets formed across Elm Street and it's all
Speaker 2: these guys who have these signs, these q A non signs,
Speaker 2: and they formed a human chain and stopped traffic. So
Speaker 2: traffic's beeping at him. People are getting pissed, and it
Speaker 2: broke up pretty quick, so they.
Speaker 7: Pated traffic though.
Speaker 6: In Dallas, Texas, Yes.
Speaker 3: On.
Speaker 6: Another I want to go another hour. It'll talk about
Speaker 6: this q ALLO situation. Did I find it unacceptable? Willing
Speaker 6: to find these people? Well, Dallas, I have I have
Speaker 6: normally ill on the phone, these Dallas ql vegetators. I'll
Speaker 6: have all these.
Speaker 2: I'm not the guy who can hell you, but look, Jimmy,
Speaker 2: I I can't help you because I didn't have anybody
Speaker 2: to assist me with tracking it down. I mean, I
Speaker 2: had creative accidents with me, but he wanted to drag
Speaker 2: me into the sixth floor. So it didn't last long
Speaker 2: because they kind of got you know, the cars started
Speaker 2: being pushing out.
Speaker 6: Smart callers, there's just get some more of the.
Speaker 2: Handle the right way.
Speaker 6: Well, look, I'll give.
Speaker 10: Them credit for being given full of bullshit and you
Speaker 10: because that's a busy damn road to try to get
Speaker 10: out and con and stop traffic.
Speaker 3: Well, that short time that chuck and out was there
Speaker 3: last year, it was an amazing amount of traffic running
Speaker 3: down that road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in the like, you know how there's that
Speaker 2: traffic light right there. When that light up stopped traffic
Speaker 2: right around the time of the moment of silence, right
Speaker 2: people stopped crossing the street right then because everybody was
Speaker 2: paying attention and a lot of people bowed their heads.
Speaker 2: I thought it was you know, and and some people
Speaker 2: were praying or whatever, and it was all like that,
Speaker 2: and the place was quiet until these guys started yelling
Speaker 2: and stretched across the street a human shame.
Speaker 6: Are you telling that they were obstructed an official ceremony?
Speaker 2: Well, oh my.
Speaker 3: God, that's not an official ceremony.
Speaker 2: That's not an official.
Speaker 3: Ceremoniiday, it it's not today, It's not it's it is
Speaker 3: not an official ceremony.
Speaker 2: It is not an official ceremony.
Speaker 3: It is the thing that Pen.
Speaker 2: Jones, Jimmy listened to me. It is a thing that
Speaker 2: Penn Jones used to do, and then John Judge took
Speaker 2: it all okay, and it's never been official. As matter
Speaker 2: of fact. For the fiftieth anniversary, I think they ran
Speaker 2: these guys off because they didn't want them there to
Speaker 2: even do the moment of silence. Right, there was a
Speaker 2: whole big thing. They had to go to college. Well,
Speaker 2: they had to get a permanent and then they were
Speaker 2: an issue in the permit and so on and blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. And at other years, you know, Deborah Conway
Speaker 2: set up on the mill there with a table and chairs.
Speaker 6: Okay, we had left end quote. They were issued a permit.
Speaker 6: This was an official ceremony, sanctioned by the municipality of Dallas,
Speaker 6: and it was interfered with by these hooligans. As we
Speaker 6: got to get to the bottom.
Speaker 2: As far as I know, they stretched across the street,
Speaker 2: which I guess technically had nothing to do with this
Speaker 2: ceremony except that it was in proximity to it. See,
Speaker 2: so I would say that they didn't even directly interfere.
Speaker 2: To me, they were interfering because it was like moment
Speaker 2: of silence. You're making this noise and now we got
Speaker 2: car horns beeping at them and all this other stuff
Speaker 2: because they stopped traffic momentarily. And then I don't know,
Speaker 2: it just seems like.
Speaker 6: Anyone out there who is involved in shoe and then
Speaker 6: please call up the show right now and I'll pay
Speaker 6: to extend the show. I want to talk.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm about ready to drop off here, okay, because
Speaker 2: we're about done for tonight. But I'll tell you what,
Speaker 2: if they want to they can sing. Well, they can
Speaker 2: sing an email to info at O'Kelly dot com, okay,
Speaker 2: and I'll be more than happy to put them on
Speaker 2: the air. I'll be more than happy to interview you
Speaker 2: if you're a QA non guy, especially if you were
Speaker 2: involved in the protest in Dallas on the twenty second
Speaker 2: mind you of November, because the stopping of traffic was
Speaker 2: very strange and I still don't know have an idea
Speaker 2: what the point was. There wasn't that many of these guys.
Speaker 2: There was only maybe fifteen or twenty of them all together.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a big protest, so I don't know all learn.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well beyond what's Tuck the said, fine, but Jimmy
Speaker 6: James is offering a cash reward for even the name
Speaker 6: of one of these peoples who presented themselves as qan
Speaker 6: and at this event.
Speaker 2: And that's right, and I would be more than happy
Speaker 2: to facilitate that. If you want to pay somebody cash
Speaker 2: to get to talk to one of them, I would
Speaker 2: be more than happy to do it. And on next
Speaker 2: week's show, happily see, we'll let the podcast go out
Speaker 2: more people hear about it. So if you were one
Speaker 2: of these QA non protesters who was at the Daley Plaza,
Speaker 2: who was there just adjacent to the nool on Elm
Speaker 2: Street on the twenty second of November this year, and
Speaker 2: you were involved in stopping traffic, Jimmy James, We'll pay
Speaker 2: you some cash to come on the show and talk
Speaker 2: to him about this, right.
Speaker 3: You got that?
Speaker 2: Right there you go. I'm willing to be make your
Speaker 2: own sure, and I know he's good for it. You
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 6: After all, we want to hear their grievance, right, w
Speaker 6: Chuck listen.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, I could not make out what their grievance
Speaker 2: really was. That's the thing I don't know, because it
Speaker 2: didn't make sense to me that they were blocking traffic
Speaker 2: and they had their signs. And then after that broke up,
Speaker 2: and you know, there was some complaints, I say, somebody
Speaker 2: yelled about calling the cop or whatever, and that was
Speaker 2: about it. They kind of flushed into the crowd again
Speaker 2: and they were you know, I didn't see where they
Speaker 2: went even after that. There was only fifteen to twenty
Speaker 2: of them altogether. And that's how they were able to
Speaker 2: make a human chain that was wide enough to go
Speaker 2: across Elm Street. So you know, Elm Street's not that wide.
Speaker 2: I mean, BP, you know how wide Elm Street is. Yep,
Speaker 2: So a human chain I think they can accommodate it
Speaker 2: with fifteen or twenty people. And that's about they had,
Speaker 2: like just enough to make the human chain across the street.
Speaker 4: Those are three lanes I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: But they're not like you know, it was about thirty
Speaker 3: six thirty six feet the lanes and another six for
Speaker 3: curb and gutter.
Speaker 4: You likit of the forty seet thirty two feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so human chain. So human chain side by side,
Speaker 2: some of them holding hands, some of them hooked to arms. Right,
Speaker 2: you could definitely accommodate that with fifteen to twenty people.
Speaker 2: It's exactly what they had was enough to go across
Speaker 2: the whole street. And then it looked to me like
Speaker 2: one of the cars like kind of, you know, slowly
Speaker 2: pushed into him, maybe like you're gonna move, You're gonna move.
Speaker 2: And then it broke and that was that. And I
Speaker 2: still don't know what their deal was. You know, they
Speaker 2: started to say something, but it got broken up. I mean,
Speaker 2: some people started yelling at him, like I said, you know,
Speaker 2: like I'll dare you or whatever, and blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna call the cops or something, and it
Speaker 2: just sort of broke up. And I asked other people,
Speaker 2: what does anybody know what that's about? Exactly? You know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I see the QA non stuff, but what
Speaker 2: is this about? They're like, I don't know QA non.
Speaker 2: So other people that were there longer than me and
Speaker 2: everything still didn't know what their deal was. They were
Speaker 2: just there. So there you go. Jimmy James will pay
Speaker 2: cash to somebody if they'll come on here next week,
Speaker 2: call in and talk to him about it. Tell us
Speaker 2: what your grievance was. This is what Jimmy said, so
Speaker 2: there you go. More than happy to facilitate anyway, Jimmy,
Speaker 2: we're gonna close out. You got any final thoughts?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, gobble gobble, gobble gobble, Hell yeah, why not.
Speaker 2: I hope everybody enjoyed their Thanksgiving. I know you had
Speaker 2: a good Thanksgiving, Jimmy, because after all, the Lions won.
Speaker 2: I pointed that out at the beginning of the show,
Speaker 2: didn't I so, and they just held on right, I
Speaker 2: mean per minute there. I thought they were going to
Speaker 2: lose a big lead. Seemed like they had a big
Speaker 2: lead at the half and I thought they were losing
Speaker 2: it and then boom they did finish it out. So
Speaker 2: I know the Lions won on Thanksgiving, so you gotta
Speaker 2: be happy about that, right.
Speaker 6: Well ten in eight years, you know, there you go,
Speaker 6: and maybe.
Speaker 2: The Lions have a chance this year. So goble gobble
Speaker 2: is Jimmy Jamings final thoughts. So we'll leave it at that,
Speaker 2: and I think that's great. The day after Thanksgiving, Black Friday,
Speaker 2: it is at least for another hour and a half
Speaker 2: or so. So b Pete, what's your final thoughts for
Speaker 2: this week? Now that we've gone over a bit, and
Speaker 2: you know who knows maybe we'll do it again next week.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Aaron is going to be live
Speaker 2: or not. I think so, but we'll see.
Speaker 3: Well, it's been an interesting week. I didn't notice something,
Speaker 3: and I find this kind of strange. A lot of
Speaker 3: the stuff that I've looked at, I'm going to foreign
Speaker 3: websites and things like that, but I've noticed we have Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: A lot of other countries realize that we have Thanksgiving
Speaker 3: about now, okay, but Black Friday has become a worldwide institution,
Speaker 3: and it's strange that you get the black which you know.
Speaker 4: They come from.
Speaker 3: Today is the biggest retail day for a lot of businesses.
Speaker 3: They lose money all year, but this is the day
Speaker 3: that puts them into black from being in the red.
Speaker 4: And that's where the name came from. It's not a
Speaker 4: racist thing.
Speaker 3: You don't want to hear a bunch of mail and
Speaker 3: get a bunch of complaints that I have noticed a
Speaker 3: lot of these people on Instagram that are foreigners that
Speaker 3: are in Korea and Japan and places like that. If
Speaker 3: they have merchandise, they're all having Black Friday sales. I
Speaker 3: just find it amazing that an institution something that's started
Speaker 3: here in the state connected with Thanksgiving and the day
Speaker 3: after the first sale day starting the Christmas you know,
Speaker 3: because you know, we're such sticklers for rules in this country.
Speaker 6: You can't celebrate this before that.
Speaker 3: Even though they have Christmas stuff out while they're seven
Speaker 3: Halloween candy to the end of the shelf, you really
Speaker 3: can't officially start celebrating Christmas here until Thanksgiving. And I
Speaker 3: know this living way Europe. The end of November is
Speaker 3: when all of the Christmas markets start opening up. From Germany, Switzerland, Italy.
Speaker 4: All these places, we'll see two fifths. There's a month
Speaker 4: of Christmas shopping, right. But it's amazed me the Black Friday.
Speaker 3: It must become an institution worldwide.
Speaker 2: Well two things I thought that was kind of well,
Speaker 2: two things that make it so it shouldn't really amaze you,
Speaker 2: I think, Bpete. One is that Christmas is a world
Speaker 2: worldwide phenomena, right, so this is about the Christmas shopping season,
Speaker 2: so to speak. And also these foreign websites and things
Speaker 2: giving sales because of Black Friday. It's not because they care,
Speaker 2: They're just serving their customers. They know that a major
Speaker 2: chunk of consumers on the planet are guess where here
Speaker 2: in the United States, so obviously they're going to use
Speaker 2: you know, they're going to have a Fourth of July sale,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And they don't care about
Speaker 2: the fourth of July. They're going to do that if
Speaker 2: that's where they're customers are. So I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: not all that amazing that Black Friday is a worldwide thing.
Speaker 2: It should be because the whole world is kind of
Speaker 2: dependent upon the big consumer nation at least, you know,
Speaker 2: for the most part. And sure we don't make anything,
Speaker 2: but we sure as hell do buy it.
Speaker 3: So well true. But you know, it surprises me that
Speaker 3: a Korean a show or an interview show that I mean,
Speaker 3: it's on broadcast in Korea. When they do their interviews
Speaker 3: with these artists, it's music people talking to music people
Speaker 3: about music, which makes it a very interesting show that
Speaker 3: you know, they put their little spotty in halfway through.
Speaker 3: Oh and for Black Friday, it's just amazing most of
Speaker 3: these countries will start their free Chrystmas sales before Black Friday,
Speaker 3: that they all take advantage of Black Friding on their
Speaker 3: websites and offer those discounts. I just thought that was
Speaker 3: amazing that we taking something that started in this country.
Speaker 3: And now, I mean I didn't see this a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago.
Speaker 6: It's just been in the past few years that to
Speaker 6: going to.
Speaker 2: It big well, right, in the past few years, what
Speaker 2: they've tried to do is push what cyber Monday they
Speaker 2: call it, right, and I don't even know what day
Speaker 2: that is. I don't think that works so much. I
Speaker 2: think Black Friday is just so recognizable and also American,
Speaker 2: and I you know it used to be. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that every country wants to be America, but
Speaker 2: they want certain things that America has, and one of
Speaker 2: them certainly is that big consumer market. So they have
Speaker 2: to accommodate the consumer, and the consumer is going to
Speaker 2: look for specials. Now they know the consumer is going
Speaker 2: to be out there buying stuff. I mean, would I
Speaker 2: be buying toys any other time of the year for
Speaker 2: my son? Not that often, right, But this is also.
Speaker 3: Rare that's effected. You know, black fighting people are online.
Speaker 3: The majority of the majority of this has done for
Speaker 3: Christmas now, I think has been the wine. Yeah, I mean, yes,
Speaker 3: there's still a lot of big tails says in that,
Speaker 3: but the majority of sales all happened all bound and
Speaker 3: you know, they're just they're taking advantage of that situation.
Speaker 3: I just thought I thought it was pretty unique that
Speaker 3: we've had something now gotten as big as it has.
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of Americanized things do become popular worldwide,
Speaker 2: and that just happens to be one of them. And
Speaker 2: you know, when you're talking about like the K pop stuff,
Speaker 2: and I mean that's that's growing in popularity. A few
Speaker 2: years ago, you would have been a real weirdo for
Speaker 2: even you know, knowing about K pop maybe ten years ago.
Speaker 2: But over the past couple of years now it's very
Speaker 2: commonplace apparently. You know, I ask my daughter or her friends,
Speaker 2: or my son and his friends, the older ones, you know,
Speaker 2: what's up? What do you listen to? What are you into?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 2: They've got artists from parts of the world that you know,
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, we would never even heard
Speaker 2: of him, you know, not even close. And Korea, please,
Speaker 2: you know, you would have been amazed to see an
Speaker 2: electronic was made in Korea a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: You know, when I was a kid, there was a
Speaker 2: Korean VCR makers, a couple of them, most of them
Speaker 2: are made in Japan. But it was like wow, that
Speaker 2: that VCR is made in Korea, and I actually liked
Speaker 2: the Korean electronics a little better than the Japanese. But anyway,
Speaker 2: Koreas was the.
Speaker 4: Most wired nation in the world. All people didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Well, South Korea is right, yeah, South Korea. North Korea
Speaker 2: is its own island on to itself, but South wire right, so,
Speaker 2: but well that kind of thing. So, but it's a
Speaker 2: unique situation when it comes to electronics and culture and
Speaker 2: all that. ANYWAYVPID anything else you want to add, Well.
Speaker 3: News has been kind of right this week.
Speaker 4: I've been concentrating heavily on foot ball.
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm watching Georgia take on Georgia right now
Speaker 3: and kick their butts. But cool, it's been a good week,
Speaker 3: there you go. I was able to get some good
Speaker 3: sleep in the day, though, and I was able to
Speaker 3: go through the entire catalog of the M and M.
Speaker 4: And listen to a bunch of music. I hadn't listened
Speaker 4: to it a.
Speaker 3: Long long time.
Speaker 2: There you go. That's always fun. And I hope people
Speaker 2: tuned into Aaron Franz's Thanksgiving Day special. He was on
Speaker 2: his live streams all day doing his thing. A lot
Speaker 2: of interesting video over there, because of the War on
Speaker 2: Christmas special, but I'm sure you can watch the replays
Speaker 2: on all of his video live streams, probably up on
Speaker 2: YouTube and Twitch and all that, So you go check
Speaker 2: it out, and if you don't know how to find it,
Speaker 2: check out Franz simulation on x and you could definitely
Speaker 2: track it all down. So there you go, and let's see.
Speaker 2: I already read the Alex Jones clickbait headline of the day.
Speaker 2: You know, things are continuing onward and upward, and you
Speaker 2: know what, I guess we'll eventually recover from the selection
Speaker 2: I'm hoping. So the media is definitely trying to shift
Speaker 2: gears and figure out what they're going to do for
Speaker 2: their next big rating push, and hopefully we'll be somehow
Speaker 2: involved in keeping you informed as we go. So I
Speaker 2: look forward to a full week of broadcast next week.
Speaker 2: Happy to be back from Dallas. Although it was way
Speaker 2: too short. I felt like it was gone in the
Speaker 2: blink of an eye, but I was waiting forever to go.
Speaker 2: And if I am going to return next year, I
Speaker 2: would love to see some of you guys go with
Speaker 2: us this coming time. I know I'm going to make
Speaker 2: sure it's a more interesting conference and going to make
Speaker 2: sure that Lancer is the standout, I mean, the one
Speaker 2: place that'll make me the MC for the damn day.
Speaker 2: You gotta make sure it shift so that st