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Dot untold radionetwork 22 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:06.560 dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a string going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here, something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog. My dog. We're flying through there, over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence, and name was dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:58.640 out here? Did you see what it was? It was 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.480 enough out here looking them new to window now and 34 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:05.079 I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside, 35 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:12.159 just fine, Hello, hit the buddy out here. What quent 36 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.039 on out there? I thought of a bit just about 37 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.159 six foot nine? I don't know. Easy ann out there? Yeah, 38 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:18.039 I'm walking right. 39 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.039 Heady, all right, Folks, want to welcome our guest to 40 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:22.199 the show. It is Tucker from Utah. 41 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:24.479 Welcome to the show man, Hey, thanks for having me. 42 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:26.360 I am glad to have you been looking forward to 43 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:28.280 this conversation. So let's get right into it. Let's talk 44 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:30.680 about this bigfoot thing. What got you interested in the 45 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:31.639 subject to begin with. 46 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:34.759 What got me real interested in bigfoot to start off 47 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:37.719 with was actually my friend Jordan. He moved into my 48 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:41.159 neighborhood probably like ten years ago, and his dad had 49 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:44.800 a crazy sasquatching counter with tree knocks up in the 50 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:47.800 high U went to mountains here in Utah, so we 51 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:50.879 started talking, and then I started watching the TV show 52 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:53.840 Finding Bigfoot, and that kind of got me into it. 53 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:56.280 And then I found your podcast, so I started just 54 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:00.800 absorbing all this media. We started going out and squatching 55 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:03.319 it and I had some funny experiences with that where 56 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:05.120 we thought we were being stocked by a mountain lion 57 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:07.599 at one point. That was fun. Luckily it was just 58 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:10.599 a deer, but fun times. So that's what really got 59 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:14.879 me into bigfoot to begin with, and then it just 60 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:19.919 grew from there throughout my teenage years. And then after 61 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.719 I graduated high school, I went on a mission for 62 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.639 the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints to Portland, Oregon, 63 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:30.280 which the Pacific Northwest tons of sasquatch encounters up there, 64 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.240 and so I was really excited because I love fishing, 65 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.080 I love being in nature. With all the stuff they 66 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.039 got up there every day off that I had. We 67 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:40.360 were going out hiking, we're fishing, we're doing all sorts 68 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:43.560 of fun stuff. I never went and specifically looked for 69 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.039 sasquatch while I was up there, although I do want 70 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:48.599 to go back and spend some nights up there and 71 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:50.960 see what I can stir up. But while I was 72 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:53.039 up there, I had what I believed to be a 73 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:59.199 sasquatch encounter. So it was February twenty eighteen. We went 74 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:02.639 up to this little lake called Lake Harriet. It's just 75 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:07.120 thirty miles outside of this small pot on town called Estakata, 76 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:11.159 and that's a town about an hour outside of Portland, Oregon. 77 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:14.120 So on our day off, we go to this little lake. 78 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:16.560 We're just fishing there. No one else is up there. 79 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:19.959 Like I said, it's February, it's cold, it's snowing on us. 80 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:23.000 We didn't see another living soul. We'd been fishing there 81 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:25.120 for maybe an hour and a half, and all of 82 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:27.040 a sudden, this rock that's probably foot and a half 83 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:29.600 to two feet in diameter comes flying out of the 84 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:32.759 trees straight across the lake from us. It didn't fall 85 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:35.680 from the shoreline into the water. It came out of 86 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:37.720 the tops of the trees that were right down next 87 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:39.399 to the lake. Out of the tops of the trees 88 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:42.519 landed like ten fifteen feet out in the water from 89 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:46.199 the opposite shore. It was just the strangest thing. So 90 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.800 we're like, what the heck, what could make a rock 91 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:52.040 go flying out of the tops of trees. I'm with 92 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:55.319 my missionary companion and a member of our local congregation, 93 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.720 and so we're trying to rationalize it. We're like, okay, 94 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.480 it wasn't a big fish because we saw the rocks 95 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:03.560 come out of the tops of the trees. Were like, okay, 96 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:05.959 it wasn't a living thing. We know it was a rock. 97 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:08.439 So we're like, okay, maybe the rock was rolling down 98 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:11.240 the hill that hit a jump and then came flying 99 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:13.240 it out of the tops of the trees. We're like, okay, 100 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:16.199 that's possible. But it's so heavily forested up there. We 101 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:18.959 would have heard that thing crashing through trees. We would 102 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:21.480 have seen things breaking. There would have been other debris 103 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.920 that fell down into the water after, because they would 104 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:26.000 have caused at least a little bit of a landslide 105 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:27.600 down there. With how big that rock was and how 106 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:28.399 much debris was. 107 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:28.759 In the way. 108 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.319 The only other rational thing that we could think of 109 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:36.240 is either some super strong dude was on the other 110 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:39.120 shore line, which you can only get to by boat. Apparently, 111 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:41.519 I was later told by the member of our local 112 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:44.120 congregation there that you can only get to the other 113 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:45.759 side of the lake by boat. We could see the 114 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:48.040 entire lake from where we were at. There were no boats. 115 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:50.360 We were the only people there, So it wasn't a 116 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:54.160 person unless it was a homeless dude that was just 117 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:57.240 absolutely jacked and decided to throw a rock for some reason. 118 00:05:57.800 --> 00:05:59.720 So the only other thing we could think of. We're like, 119 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:04.000 maybe it was a meteor or something like, just these 120 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:09.079 crazy scenarios that were like, it's significantly more outlandish for 121 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:12.800 these other scenarios that we're thinking of than what it 122 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:15.519 most likely is, which is a sasquatch. No, I'm not 123 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.319 going to say I saw a sasquatch and I one 124 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:21.480 hundred percent know that it was a sasquatch, because I 125 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:25.360 don't I didn't see one. But it's the most logical 126 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:27.360 explanation about what happened to us there. 127 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:31.240 I say it all the time, Oham's Raiser. The simplest 128 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:35.560 explanation probably is the explanation, and I use it in 129 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:38.639 the context of looking at this from a very scientific, 130 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:43.439 very skeptical point of view. But I've said it recently 131 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.120 with some of my own experiences and obviously the experiences 132 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:50.439 of other people that I've interviewed. Sometimes Okham's razor is 133 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:56.560 the way to explain sasquatch activity. Sometimes the easiest explanation, 134 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:58.839 just like you pointed out. 135 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:00.839 Is that it was big foot activity. 136 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:03.720 All these other things make no sense. The rock didn't 137 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:07.759 fall out of the sky, it wasn't placed there by aliens. 138 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:12.279 Sometimes the simplest explanation is that there was a sasquatch 139 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:14.040 in the area that threw a rock at you. I 140 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.160 totally get it. I've tried to explain away some of 141 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:20.040 my own experiences using that Ockham's raiser sort of application, 142 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:23.879 And sometimes the simplest answer is that you had an 143 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.680 experience with bigfoot. Again, it's very hard to say because 144 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.120 you didn't see what did the rock throwing. But when 145 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.720 you go through what it's not and you're left with 146 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:38.480 only one possible explanation, sometimes that simple explanation is what 147 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.480 it is now in retrospect, looking back, do you feel 148 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:44.480 that way about that experience? Now, are you pretty sure 149 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:48.319 that what you experienced was something Sasquatch related? 150 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:53.439 Yeah, we were. We're pretty certain then. I'm fairly certain 151 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.839 now that it was a sasquatch that we encountered. The 152 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:00.439 member of that local congregation he'd actually had some similar 153 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:05.120 encounters with Sasquatches that had done similar things that this. 154 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:07.639 One time he went camping with his son and his 155 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.759 son's friend. He was inside his tent trailer with his dog. 156 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:13.720 The tent trailer all of a sudden got tipped on 157 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:16.279 its side virtually. He tried to send his dog out 158 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:18.639 to go chase down his son and his friend because 159 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.000 it was probably just them playing a prank. Dog wouldn't 160 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:24.680 go outside the tent trailer, so he went outside with 161 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.800 his pistol. A that's not cool, back off, He said. 162 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.480 He saw there was a fire going that his son 163 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.320 had started, and so he said, at the edge of 164 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:36.960 the firelight, he saw a silhouette of a large creature 165 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:39.679 just looking at him. And he said he wasn't sure 166 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:41.919 if it was eyeshine or glowing eyes, but he could 167 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:45.320 see the eyes at the very least reflecting the firelight. 168 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:48.759 He said that anytime he pointed his firearm at the creature. 169 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:52.240 It would throw a stick or a log in his direction, 170 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:54.799 as if to say I can get you or I 171 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:57.039 can hurt you. Then it would back away, and then 172 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:00.000 it'd appear in the firelight, just in a slightly different way. 173 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:03.039 So finally he just put his pistol away. He's just like, 174 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:05.720 all right, it stopped throwing stuff at him. He was 175 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:08.360 fairly certain that it was a sasquatch, just based on 176 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:11.720 his previous experiences. Then, because of all the research that 177 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:14.240 I had done, all the sasquatch stuff that I had 178 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:18.600 been into previously with finding Bigfoot going squatching on my own, 179 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:22.320 listening to you ended up just really making more sense 180 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:24.440 that it was a sasquatch that threw that rock than 181 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:25.120 anything else. 182 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:28.720 Before we started recording, you mentioned that other people had 183 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:31.759 experiences that had shared their experiences with you. Can you 184 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:34.960 recall some of those stories and encounters that people have 185 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:36.840 shared with you over the years and your research? 186 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:41.639 Yeah, absolutely, So this one also takes place up in Oregon. 187 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:44.759 I don't know how many of your listeners are familiar 188 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:48.200 with LDS missions, but as an LDS missionary, you get 189 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:52.399 moved to different areas within a larger area. So after 190 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:55.200 I had been moved out of that small town of 191 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:59.440 Esticada to a different area. I later saw that missionary 192 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.440 that I was with my companion another time, and he 193 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:05.080 shared another experience with me. He said that he and 194 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:07.879 his companion that had just gotten moved into the area, 195 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:11.039 they decided to go find this lake. We wanted to 196 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:14.159 go find it on one of our adventures, but we 197 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:16.879 decided to take a Toyota Corolla on a four wheel 198 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:19.360 drive road, and that didn't work out too well, so 199 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:22.080 he turned around. But they got a local member of 200 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:25.080 the congregation to take them out to that lake on 201 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:27.519 his truck. So he said when they were going out, 202 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:30.360 they're following all these dirt roads because there's all these 203 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:32.480 four service roads up there. And they eventually turned down 204 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:36.120 this really old, dilapidated forest service road they said they 205 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:39.360 were going. It was super sketchy. The road was like 206 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:42.360 washed out in some places, just not in great shape. 207 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:44.840 And eventually they made it to this spot where the 208 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:46.799 road was so narrow it was barely wide enough for 209 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:49.360 the truck, and they got a flat tire on that spot, 210 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:52.600 and so they couldn't stop. They had to keep going 211 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:54.759 till they kind of spot wide enough to pull off 212 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:58.279 where they could actually change the tire. So they finally 213 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:00.679 get to the top of this ridge and they were 214 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:04.480 able to pull off that dirt road. And it's always 215 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:07.840 raining or misty up in Oregon, so it's really cloudy 216 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:09.879 or foggy up at the top of this ridge that 217 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:12.159 they're at, so they can't see it real far off 218 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:15.759 into the trees, so they're busy changing the tire on 219 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:18.759 the truck. He said that just like we had a 220 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:20.960 rock thrown at us when we were fishing. He said, 221 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.720 there was a log maybe five six inches around four 222 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:28.399 or five feet long that was thrown at them or 223 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.960 came flying parallel to the ground out of the trees, 224 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:35.080 hit against another tree, and then broke into a bunch 225 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:39.440 of pieces, almost like something just trucked a log at 226 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.440 them over its head. They were so freaked out by 227 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:47.279 it because whatever it was immediately around them, like wherever 228 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:50.279 it was. So they finished changing the tire on the truck, 229 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:53.919 turned around, got out of there. There's a ranger station 230 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:57.639 for the Forest National Forest in Estakada, so they pull 231 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:00.120 into the ranger station when they get back to town 232 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:02.639 to let them know about what happened to him and say, hey, 233 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:06.399 someone tried to throw a large stick at us or something. 234 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:09.480 Maybe go send some rangers up to go check that out, 235 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:13.200 make sure that everything's squared away up there. So they 236 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:16.799 found the road on an old Forest Service map at 237 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:18.799 the ranger station. They're like, oh, it was this road 238 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:21.159 that we were on, And the Forest Service ranger that 239 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:23.480 was at the ranger station said that road has been 240 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:27.159 closed for ten years. No one goes on that road anymore, 241 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:29.080 and that would explain why I was in such a 242 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:31.120 bad state when they went on it. I'm shocked they 243 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.039 were even able to make it on that road at 244 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:36.399 all with the trod. So there's no reason for anyone 245 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:38.320 to be up there unless someone else had driven a 246 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:41.039 truck up there or managed to make it up there. 247 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.399 He was saying that it didn't look like anyone had 248 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:44.559 driven up there recently. 249 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:49.440 It's definitely interesting with the throwing what appears to be 250 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:52.399 this aggressive behavior. I've had rocks thrown at me a 251 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:53.960 couple of times when I was up in Radium a 252 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:56.679 couple of years ago. With Todd standing. It's not in 253 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:59.720 every one of these encounters, but there does seem to 254 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:02.840 be a pattern in certain areas. When you look at 255 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:06.559 these encounters. In talking to your friends, you mentioned the 256 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:09.200 first story that had something to do with something being 257 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.480 thrown in your research and looking at that and hearing 258 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:15.480 these stories, do you think this is more of some 259 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:17.840 sort of a curious behavior or do you think these 260 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:20.720 things are trying to warn people out of the area. 261 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:23.919 Do you think it's aggression? Obviously it's subjective, nobody really knows. 262 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:27.360 But what's your opinion on why they're throwing rocks and 263 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:29.159 sticks in these other things? Do you think it's just 264 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:30.840 to get people out of their area. 265 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.320 I do think it's to get people out of their area. 266 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.799 I have a whole kind of theory behind that, because 267 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:39.159 if you think about it, if sasquatch is such a 268 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:43.639 top predator in their environment, why not just there's three 269 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:47.679 random creatures that are stuck out there, why not just 270 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.399 go take them out they're in your area, go beat 271 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:52.840 them up, kill them, drag them off, eat them whatever. 272 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:56.200 But it just threw a log at them. We got 273 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:58.759 a rock thrown at us to try and scare us off. 274 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:00.799 If it was a SaaS watch that throw a rock 275 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:04.480 at us. The member of the congregation, he had sticks 276 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:08.000 and logs thrown at him around his camp these creatures 277 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:11.279 had every opportunity to harm us and harm him in 278 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:14.399 all these encounters, but yet they didn't. I don't know 279 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:17.960 if it's because they chose not to or exactly what 280 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.559 the deal is with why there aren't more interactions with 281 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:24.320 them harming us. But I have a theory about why 282 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:25.080 they might do that. 283 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:27.039 Let's get into your theory. 284 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:30.360 So a lot of people might call me crazy. My 285 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:32.240 mom calls me crazy all the time because I have 286 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:35.240 this theory. I don't know if you've heard the Sasquatch 287 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:40.279 is Caine theory before. So the Sasquatches Caine theory basically 288 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:43.080 goes as I don't know how many of you have 289 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:45.960 read the Bible or anything like that, but in the Bible, 290 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:50.080 Cain kills his brother Abel. It is the first murder 291 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:53.279 on the earth, and so because of that, Cain is 292 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:56.919 cursed to be cast out and be separate from everyone 293 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.960 else in the Bible. I was going back and rereading 294 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:01.720 that section. 295 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:05.240 And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to Sea. We'll 296 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:07.200 be right back after these messages. 297 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.559 It talks about how it wasn't just Caine, it was Kane, 298 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:16.000 his wife, his followers, and his kids. So it was 299 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.759 a group of people that were cast out, and they 300 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:20.679 were cursed to be separate, and there was a mark 301 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:25.000 put upon them. My theory is that Cain and his 302 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:28.440 followers were cursed and that mark set upon them to 303 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:30.879 keep them separate from us. You hear a lot of 304 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.759 different descriptions of sasquatch, but the most common description is large, 305 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:38.519 covered in fur, a little bit darker skin, or gray skin. 306 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:44.080 In Native American stories, you have these Native American tribes 307 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:46.720 that are saying they're just a tribe of people that 308 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:49.159 are off in the woods. They don't really interact with them. 309 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:53.679 In the Bible, when we read about Cain, he basically says, Oh, 310 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:55.960 this curse is more than I can bear. I'll just 311 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.559 go have someone kill me, basically is what he says. 312 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:01.759 Then God says, yeah, I'm going to make it so 313 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:05.399 that people can't kill you and can't find you basically, 314 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:07.720 or it's very difficult to kill you, very difficult to 315 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:10.080 find you. And if people do kill you, they're going 316 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:14.759 to be cursed sevenfold. So my theory is that in 317 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:19.240 my research, I've heard you have encounters where sasquatch do 318 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:22.720 harm people or do get really aggressive with people, but 319 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:25.519 most of the encounters and stories that I've heard. People 320 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:29.759 get intimidated, they get paced out of an area that 321 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:32.759 they're in, they get things thrown at them, but nothing 322 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:34.799 hits them, or at least nothing hits them they could 323 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:39.000 harm them. So my theory is that sasquatch is not 324 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:42.120 necessarily Kane, but at the very least the descendants of 325 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:45.799 Cain's followers that are still on the earth, because they're 326 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:48.000 still cursed to be separate. There's still cursed to be 327 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:51.639 apart from everyone. And it would make sense also because 328 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:54.639 they're DNA. There's so many hair samples that get collected 329 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:58.600 and they come back is human DNA or nearly human DNA, 330 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.440 and it makes sense for them because they were human 331 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:05.759 or are still technically human in some way, shape or form. 332 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:10.440 There's a lot of correlations between that and then to me, 333 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:13.839 it also explains a lot of that scientific and paranormal 334 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:18.640 or in my opinion's spiritual aspects of sasquatch, because in 335 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:21.720 my opinion, there are still a lot of things to 336 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:24.400 be discovered in the world, but a large nine foot 337 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:29.519 call population of creatures living in the woods in North America, 338 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:32.279 I feel like they would have been discovered at some 339 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:36.599 point unless they're so extremely intelligent that they can avoid 340 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:39.200 us for some reason. But where are the bodies, where's 341 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:43.640 the physical evidence for their existence beyond footprints and hair 342 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:47.640 samples that can't be explained. But you take the spiritual aspect, 343 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:50.079 where it's a group of people that were cursed to 344 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:52.960 be separate from everyone else, cursed to be hidden, so 345 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:57.039 they can't interact with us. They can't harm us unless 346 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:00.000 they're harmed first, in my opinion, because when I've heard 347 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:04.279 of the encounters where a hunter shoots the sasquatch, then 348 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:07.480 that hunter is physically harmed or physically attacked in some 349 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:11.960 way by a sasquatch, But until the person makes the 350 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.640 first aggressive move, there's not really any harm done towards 351 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:18.200 the person, at least in the experiences I've heard. And 352 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:20.279 I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that 353 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:24.680 would say something different than that with their encounters. That's fine, 354 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:28.640 but that's just from the majority of the experiences I've heard. 355 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:30.799 That's my understanding of it. 356 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:33.119 All Right, I'm going to push back on your theory 357 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:33.880 a little bit here. 358 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:34.680 That's fine. 359 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:39.640 Have you considered that it's possible again, it goes back 360 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:44.559 to Ockham's razor. For me, most large predators if they 361 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:48.319 encounter something like a person or another large predator, or 362 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:51.480 even a large prey animal. But they all have to 363 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:53.839 make a decision at some point in time. Is this 364 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:57.079 worth the return on the risk that I'm going to 365 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:00.759 have to put in to capture the defend my territory, 366 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:03.359 whatever the case may be. It's a very animalistic thing, right, 367 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:05.799 we have to do that as humans. You get in 368 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:09.480 a situation and you're facing the six foot seven dude 369 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:11.720 that just pissed you off at the bar, do you 370 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:13.400 go up and punch them in the face or do 371 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:17.720 you tell and go the opposite direction because you got 372 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.640 to consider you could get hurt. Basically, I think it's 373 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.319 the same thing. In my opinion, I think these things 374 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:26.680 are flesh and blood. We'll get into that in a minute, 375 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:29.240 because I've definitely changed a lot as far as that 376 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:31.839 goes because of my own experiences, which we can talk 377 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:34.160 about a little bit here in a second. But let 378 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:36.000 me challenge your theory a little bit, and do you 379 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:39.160 think it's possible that these things are flesh and blood? 380 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:41.880 Because you mentioned a couple of things. The DNA is 381 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:45.759 coming back, it's either part human or it seems to 382 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:50.440 be human but something else. I think that's pure contamination. Honestly, 383 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.359 there's only been a couple of DNA studies that I'm 384 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.799 aware of, Melbukeatchum's trash study that I think is complete 385 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:59.920 bunk them. I don't think there's any science there whatsoever 386 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.559 her in her study, So I throw everything out, including 387 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:05.640 the baby and the bathwater when it comes to that. 388 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:09.240 Then there's the Brian Sykes study, which again I think 389 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:11.720 is a flawed study for whatever reason. I think there's 390 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:15.640 a whole lot there that is probably yet to be 391 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:20.079 discovered as far as what Brian Sykes did. But DNA 392 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:23.240 in and of itself always seems to be convoluted, and 393 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:26.200 I think what really happens there is people don't realize 394 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:30.400 how difficult it is to collect DNA if you just 395 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:33.160 go out into the field. I actually interviewed a guy 396 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:36.880 last year, I guess it was who his job was 397 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:42.440 to collect e DNA for studies with the wildlife something. 398 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:44.960 I don't remember exactly what his job was, but this 399 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:47.039 was his job, and he talked about that at length 400 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:50.519 on the show. How difficult it is to get samples 401 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:54.640