Speaker 1: Okay, So imagine this for a second. What if everything
you thought was solid, you know, real, tangible, just wasn't.
What if the reality you deal with every single day,
like the chair you're sitting on right now, the air
you're breathing, it's all just this incredibly complex illusion.
Speaker 2: Right to construct exactly?
Speaker 1: And what if the key to stepping outside that allusion
to actually seeing reality for what it really is wasn't
somewhere out in space but inside your own mind.
Speaker 2: It definitely sounds like the start of some you know,
deep sci fi movie or a philosophical text, doesn't it totally?
But what we're actually diving into today is a real document,
one that was classified sat inside US Army intelligence for decades.
Speaker 1: Classified.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's this report from nineteen eighty three, written
by a Lieutenant Colonel Wayne MacDonald. It's titled Analysis and
Assessment of Gateway.
Speaker 1: Process Gateway Process, okay, and it.
Speaker 2: Basically proposes that the human mind, if you use these
specific techniques, can get into states of consciousness that well,
they really challenge our fundamental understanding of space time existence itself.
Speaker 1: You know, when you shared this document with me, reading
it felt less like a military analysis and more like
finding some kind of reality hacking manual. It's wild.
Speaker 2: It really is something else.
Speaker 1: So our mission in this deep dive really is to
unpack this absolutely extraordinary piece of writing. We want to
try and get our heads around the really profound concepts
it's putting forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the idea that reality is just a construct.
Speaker 1: Right, that reality is a construct, that consciousness isn't just awareness,
it's a tool, and that we could potentially, you know,
transcend the very limits of the universe.
Speaker 2: We know it's mind bending stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, look at the techniques it talks about for getting
into these states. And then we really have to grapple
with the implications, right, not just for the military stuff
it mentions, but what it might mean for us personally,
for understanding who we are, where we fit in the cosmos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely a journey to the age of perception,
and guided by this pretty unlikely source, an army intelligence report.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's set the scene a bit more. The
military obviously has a long history, right exploring ways to
enhance human performance, especially for soldiers.
Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, it's well documented. We've seen research into pretty
much everything, pharmacological stuff, drugs for alertness.
Speaker 1: Endurance, feelence, things like that.
Speaker 2: Exactly two more high tech approaches like future possibilities of
brain implants, or even way back there was speculative interest
in genetics trying to create what some people might call
a super soldier.
Speaker 1: Right, the usual focus is making the human body, the
physical package, faster, stronger, more resilient.
Speaker 2: Precisely you augment the physical or the immediate cognitive abilities.
But this report, it takes as completely radical detour. Okay,
it shifts the focus entirely away from the physical body
onto consciousness.
Speaker 1: Itself consciousness is the tool.
Speaker 2: That's it, the core claim. The thing that seems to
have propelled this research within army intelligence was this idea
that a really well trained participant in this gateway process
could achieve an out of body experience.
Speaker 1: An ob an obe like floating above your body, that
kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and crucially, they could use this state for intelligence gathering. Imagine,
you know, projecting your awareness totally invisibly into some secure
enemy facility or behind enemy lines.
Speaker 1: Okay, even that is a huge leap for most people.
Remote viewing, the idea of seeing distant places with your mind,
that's been talked about, but seeing it as a serious,
like training target for the military is pretty noteworthy.
Speaker 2: It is, but the report goes way beyond just remote viewing.
It makes these assertions that really push the boundaries of
belief for well, pretty much anyone. So it claims participants
could and I'm quoting here, pull their consciousness completely out
of this reality.
Speaker 1: Well hang on, not just project to somewhere else, but
totally detach from this reality.
Speaker 2: That's the claim. Fundamentally detact from this plane of existence.
And once they've done that, once they've exited this reality,
the report suggests they could then travel anywhere in the
universe and at any point.
Speaker 1: In time, anywhere, anytime. That's not just intelligence gathering, that's
like mastering reality itself.
Speaker 2: The scope is absolutely breathtaking. You go from spying on
a specific location to potentially accessing any location and any
moment in history or the future. It's huge.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Why why does the report think this is
even remotely possible? This gets to the really deep philosophical
core of it, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: It really does. It introduces this fundamental claim our everyday universe,
the one that feels so solid, so real, it doesn't
actually exist as solid matter.
Speaker 1: It doesn't exist to them, but I can touch this desk.
Speaker 2: Well, according to the report, it's a construct, one created
by our own minds, and the gateway process offers a method,
a pathway to actually exit this perceived construct and to
quote again, see reality for what it really is.
Speaker 1: So the solidity is an illusion generated by my mind.
Speaker 2: That's where the report truly departs from from conventional Western
scientific thinking. It's suggesting the solid things, the structure we perceive,
they're projections, manifestations of our consciousness interacting with something more fundamental.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, Given claims like that, it's maybe not so
surprising the report was immediately classified back in eighty three.
Speaker 2: You'd think so, right, and you guess the classification was
maybe about I don't know the results of remote viewing.
Do they see secret Soviet plans or something?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly true movements, secret basis.
Speaker 2: But the report states this surprisingly simple, almost profound reason
for why it was classified, and it's this, anyone can
learn to do it.
Speaker 1: Even you wait, the method was the secret, not the results,
because anyone could do it.
Speaker 2: That seems to be it. The method itself, the fact
that it might be accessible to regular people outside military control,
that was seen as the security risk its potential accessibility.
Speaker 1: That's a fascinating twist. The danger wasn't the intel gathered,
but the idea that anyone could potentially alter their consciousness
this way.
Speaker 2: Exactly. If this process was real and it was available
to anyone with say, some headphones and enough dedication, the
implications for intelligence, security, maybe even society. They were seen
as huge and totally unpredictable.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have to push back here. I mean, I'm
sure everyone listening is thinking this, traveling through time and
space with your mind, exiting reality, accessing other dimensions. This
sounds well, it sounds like pure fantasy, right, it does, absolutely,
And Connor McDonald himself, you said, he acknowledges this in
the report. He knew it would sound paranormal or like
new age mumbo jumbo. So how did he try to
sell this? How did he make it sound even remotely plausible,
especially to a military audience.
Speaker 2: That's a really fair question. McDonald was clearly very aware
of how radical this would all seem, so he made
a deliberate effort to try and anchor his analysis in
uh scientific concepts, and he consulted with people who were
respected in relevant scientific fields. At the time, like who
Well he brought in Idtac Bentof Bentov was a pretty
well regarded biomedical engineer known for his work on consciousness biofeedback,
trying to lend some scientific weight to the sort of
physiological stuff he.
Speaker 1: Was describing, ah okay, trying to bridge that gap between
the subjective experience and maybe some objective measurements exactly.
Speaker 2: He also leaned pretty heavily on concepts from quantum mechanics
to talk about the nature of consciousness and reality at
that really fundamental level, and he used principles from classical
and theoretical physics to try and build a framework for
understanding things like OBEs.
Speaker 1: So describing them using physics parameters, not just mystical terms.
Speaker 2: That was the attempt to frame it within physical science,
not just spirituality. He really makes a point of arguing
for the plausibility of achieving intuitional insights of not only
personal but of a practical and professional nature. He suggests
they'd seem to be within bounds of reasonable expectations if
you look at them based on physical science.
Speaker 1: It's basically saying, look, if we think about consciousness through
the lens of modern physics, maybe some of this seemingly
impossible stuff isn't magic. Maybe it's just unexplored potential.
Speaker 2: That's precisely the argument he's making, trying to legitimize it
for his audience.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he attempts the scientific grounding, But where does
the actual training system come from. The report calls it
the Gateway Process.
Speaker 2: Yes, the Gateway Process is the specific name of a
training system. It was developed back in the nineteen seventies
by the Monroe Institute.
Speaker 1: The Monroe Institute, hand, is that the place founded by
Robert Monroe, the guy who wrote that famous book about
his own out of body experiences.
Speaker 2: That's the one. The report actually states that Colonel McDonald
himself and apparently a number of other military personnel they
went and did the week long residential program the institute
offered in Virginia.
Speaker 1: They actually went and did the training they did.
Speaker 2: What's really interesting, especially given that classification reason we talked
about that anyone can do it, is that this training system,
or versions of it, it's still commercially available today. Anyone
theoretically can go and explore this stuff.
Speaker 1: So the military was researching a method that was already
out there, publicly accessible. Huh. That adds another layer to
why they might classify the record about it. But I'm
guessing you can't just you know, sign up, put on
headphones and immediately start leaving your body or zipping through time.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. The report is clear, this isn't some
instant shortcut.
Speaker 1: What do you need first?
Speaker 2: It emphasizes that before you even attempt the more advanced techniques,
participants have to master some fundamental skills, things like deep
relaxation techniques, meditation okay, and cultivating extreme focus and concentration,
real mental discipline.
Speaker 1: Those sound kind of like standard mindfulness practices, really things
you might find and lots of traditions that focus on
training the mind.
Speaker 2: They are the foundation. Yeah, yeah, But there's also this
crucial mental attitude. The report stresses you have to consciously
set aside doubt. You need to maintain a completely open mind, irreceptive,
basely receptive to experiences, to concepts that fall way outside
our normal, everyday kind of linear left brain way of
seeing the world. Without that openness, the report implies progress
it's just impossible.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. Actually, you have to
be willing to even entertain the possibility, no matter how
absolutely wild it seems, and speaking of wild buried near
the end of the report, after all this talk about
military use and potential, there's this really surprising, almost kind
of chilling final warning from McDonald.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's quite a shift in tone. Because the method
is potentially accessible to anyone, McDonald includes this caution. He
says the military should be prepared for potential encounters with
intelligent to non friendly entities.
Speaker 1: Wait, intelligent and non friendly entities existing outside our time
and space, like what aliens, demons, something else.
Speaker 2: The report is pretty vague on their exact nature, but
the implication is clear. If you start accessing these other dimensions,
these alternate states of reality, you might run into other
forms of consciousness, and maybe not all of them are
going to be welcoming or have good intentions. Wow even
frames this in terms of a potential psychic war, suggesting
that if this capability is real and widespread, it could
become a whole new battlefield.
Speaker 1: That definitely raises the stakes way beyond just remote viewing
somebody's office. That's interaction, potential conflict. Okay, let's pivot back though,
to the most I guess mind bending part. The report's
core idea about what reality actually is. It makes that
radical claim solid matter simply does not exist.
Speaker 2: Right. This is where it draws on physics concepts, but
pushes them towards this really profound philosophical conclusion. It describes
adams not as tiny solid balls, but as oscillating energy
grids surrounded by other oscillating energy grids which orbit at
extraordinarily high speeds.
Speaker 1: Oscillating energy grids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the critical takeaway, as the report puts it,
is blunt. There is no solid matter. Everything you see, touch,
interact with a table, a person, the air itself. It's
all fun. And the mentally just energy vibrating at different frequencies.
Speaker 1: So the feeling of solidity the chair I'm on, that's
just because the energy is vibrating at a certain rate
that my senses interpret as solid.
Speaker 2: That's exactly the idea. Hey, and the report applies this
directly to us, to human beings. He says, the entire
human organism, body, brain, consciousness, thoughts, everything is and I
quote like the universe which surrounds him, nothing more or
less than an extraordinarily complex system of energy fields.
Speaker 1: We aren't made of energy. We are energy fields.
Speaker 2: That's the assertion. We are complex patterns of vibrating energy.
Speaker 1: And the different states of matter solid, liquid gas.
Speaker 2: What are those then, the report argues, they're just different
variances in the energy frequency. The energy is the fundamental stuff,
The state is just its pattern of vibration and consciousness itself.
That's described as a function of the interaction of energy.
Speaker 1: So my thoughts, my awareness, my feeling of being me,
that's all energy patterns interacting. That's wow, that's a lot
to take in. How do we even perceive this supposed
solid world then, if it's all just energy buzzing around?
Speaker 2: Okay, this is where the report brings in a really
useful analogy, the brain as a kind of radio receiver
and filter radio. Yeah, imagine the universe is broadcasting this
infinite spectrum of energy frequencies, all sorts of information, all
sorts of potential realities. Our brain, the report suggests, is
tuned into the frequencies of energy that make up the
world that we see, but it only picks up a
tiny fraction of small percentage of all the energy that's
actually around us.
Speaker 1: So my brain is actively filtering out most of reality
to keep me focused on this bit precisely, just.
Speaker 2: Like a radio tune to, say, ninety eight point seven FM,
excludes all the other stations on the dial. Our brains
are basically wired to filter out everything except for the
energy that creates our reality. This filter is essential, it
argues for us to function in this specific, stable slice
of the energy spectrum we call our universe. It lets
us perceive a consistent world to interact.
Speaker 1: With, and my senses site, hearing, touch, tastes, smell, how
do they fit in?
Speaker 2: They're like the speaker on the radio. The radio converts
invisible electromagnetic waves into audible sound, right. Similarly, our brains
convert this incoming universal energy into the sensory input we perceive.
This conversion process is what generates the illusion of matter
and our subjective experience of this reality.
Speaker 1: So the brain takes the energy pattern vibrating at table
frequency and converts it into my perception of a solid table,
creating the illusion.
Speaker 2: That is the report's central claim about how we perceive reality,
and it builds on this by describing the universe itself
as a shared universal.
Speaker 1: Hologram, a hologram like the kind you see on credit cards,
sort of but vastly more complex. The idea is that
the universe is composed of these interacting energy fields, and
they form one gigantic hologram of unbelievable complexity.
Speaker 2: The holographic universe idea. Yeah, I've definitely heard that mentioned
in like speculative physic circles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the report actually references the work of people like
the neuroscientist Carl Prubram and the physicist David Bohm. They
independently developed theories suggesting the universe and maybe even the
mind might operate holographically. Okay, so the report takes that
idea and runs with it, positing that the human mind
is also a hologram, and our consciousness arises when our
individual mental hologram attunes itself to the universal hologram. We're
kind of like miniature holographic receivers operating inside this vast
shared holographic reality.
Speaker 2: And the Gateway process training, then, is the method for
bypassing that brain filter to stop being tuned just to
the one reality station and start picking up the whole
cosmic broadcast. That's the core mechanism described. The report states
that the Gateway process teaches you essentially how to turn
off the filter in your brain. By doing that, you
supposedly gain access to the wider spectrum of energy and information,
those other states of the realities that the brain normally excludes.
Speaker 1: And the ultimate goal doing this, according.
Speaker 2: To a report, is to help you escape space time altogether.
Speaker 1: Escape space time. Wow. Okay, And the report seriously says
this is done just by listening to sounds through headphones.
That's it. No, you know, sensory deprivation tanks or psychedelic
drugs or years of monastic discipline.
Speaker 2: That's what it emphasizes. Yeah, the fundamental mechanism described involves
using very specific sound frequencies delivered through headphones. The report
explicitly contrasts this approach with methods involving drugs or deep
mystical practices. It presents Gateway as more of a technical process.
Speaker 1: A technical process using sound. And this originated with Robert
Monroe's accidental discovery. Right. This wasn't some like ancient esoteric
secret unearthed from a pyramid. It came from a New
York broadcasting executive in the nineteen fifties tinkering with audio.
Speaker 2: Precisely, Monroe wasn't looking for enlightenment or anything. He was
experimenting with sound patterns, exploring ideas around sleep learning, hipnopedia
and how different audio frequencies might affect mood or concentration.
Very practical stuff.
Speaker 1: And then one night he's trying out a specific frequency
and bam.
Speaker 2: Pretty much. The report recounts his description of the experience. First,
this growing sense of paralysis spreading through his body. Then
these intense vibrations start. He sees a bright white light,
feels a rush of air, or hears a loud, roaring.
Speaker 1: Sound that sounds incredibly intense, maybe even terrifying.
Speaker 2: He described it as intense, certainly. But then suddenly the
noise stopped, the light faded, and he found himself floating,
floating near the ceiling, looking down at his own physical
body lying on the bed.
Speaker 1: WHOA.
Speaker 2: The spontaneous, totally unexpected experience was what he later studied
and famously termed the out of body experience or OBE.
Speaker 1: And he didn't just dismiss it as like a weird
dream or a hallucination. He got methodical about it. He did.
Speaker 2: Being a broadcast executive, he had that technical mindset. He
started experimenting systematically, trying to figure out the conditions, the
specific sounds that led to that experience. He discovered he
could actually reliably induce similar states using specific audio frequencies
in patterns.
Speaker 1: He could make it happen again using sound.
Speaker 2: Apparently so, and this led to his research, his famous
book Journeys Out of the Body, and eventually the founding
of the Monroe Institute to study and teach others about
these phenomenas.
Speaker 1: So he figured out the sound was the key, and
his research then focused on what the sound was actually
doing to the brain to cause these altered states.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. He came to believe that the specific sound
patterns he was using were helping to synchronize the electrical
activity the brain waves between the left and right hemispheres.
Speaker 1: Of the brain, getting them me in sync.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he found he could identify access and even
sustain different states of consciousness by achieving different levels different
patterns of this hemispheric synchronization.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about those hemispheres for a minute. We
always hear that simplified version. Left brain is logic, right
brain is creativity. Is that basically the distinction the report uses.
Speaker 2: That's the general framework it works with you. The left
hemisphere is typically associated with the linear logical stuff, reason, language, focus, perception,
the right hemisphere is linked more to the nonlinear intuition, creativity,
emotionspatial awareness.
Speaker 1: That kind of thing, the analytical versus the holistic, you.
Speaker 2: Could put it that way. The report mentions an analogy,
apparently not from the report itself but maybe popular around
the institute, likening the brain to a sideways mullet.
Speaker 1: A sideways mullet.
Speaker 2: Seriously, yeah, you know, business on one side, logic, party
on the other. Intuition. Obviously it's left and right, not
front and back, but it's a quirky way. Someone thought
of visualizing that functional difference.
Speaker 1: Okay, the sideways mullet, I won't forget that. And you
mentioned they operate at different speeds or frequencies.
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, yes, the dominant left brain often operates in
those faster brain wave frequencies like beta waves around thirteen
to thirty hertz, which are associated with alertness, focus concentration.
The right brain tends to operate more in the slower
alpha range, maybe eight to thirteen hertz, which is linked
to relaxed states, daydreaming, creativity. So yeah, the right brain
often processes things in a more holistic, maybe slower frequency way.
Speaker 1: Okay, so hemisync that's Monroe's term, right, is the technique
that uses sound to get these two different hemispheres, the
business and the party marching in step together.
Speaker 2: That's precisely it. Hemisync stands for hemispheric synchronization. The report
describes it as a training system designed specifically to bring
enhanced strength, focus, and coherence to the brain wave patterns
across both hemispheres, simultaneously.
Speaker 1: Making the whole brain work together more powerfully.
Speaker 2: That's the idea and the fundamental goal of doing this,
according to the report, is pretty ambitious. To alter consciousness,
moving it outside the physical sphere so as to ultimately
escape even the restrictions of time and space.
Speaker 1: Altering consciousness to escape time and space, and by getting
the hemispheres in sync, you supposedly gain access to this
intuitive knowledge which the universe offers.
Speaker 2: That's the claim. The report uses this really vivid analogy
to explain the effect of hemisync. It says, compare the
natural state of the human mind to like a standard lamp,
a cast diffuse light illuminates things generally, but not intensely. Hemisinc,
the report suggests, turns the mind into a laser, producing
this focused, coherent incredibly powerful stream of energy. And it's
this focus coherence that supposedly enables the mind to interact
with the reality in these new powerful ways.
Speaker 1: And this focused state leads to raising vibrational levels. What
does that actually mean in this context energy level?
Speaker 2: According to the Gateway framework, Yeah, synchronizing the frequency and
the amplitude the power of the brain waves through hemisync
allows the mind to quote accelerate and raise its vibrational
levels vibrate faster in a manner of speaking. And as
the mind's energy field resonates at these higher and higher frequencies,
the report posits it can then start to synchronize with
the more complex energy levels.
Speaker 1: In the universe, the ones our brain usually filters out
the energy fields may picking up those other dimensions or
layers of the universal hologram exactly.
Speaker 2: At these higher levels of resonance, the report claims, the
mind becomes capable of processing that incoming universal energy and
information in the same way it normally processes the energy
that creates our everyday reality mean meaning the truly extraordinary
claim is that you could then see and feel and
understand these other states of reality as easily as you
understand this one they become just as real, just as navigable.
Speaker 1: Okay, just understanding other realities is already huge, But the
report made an even bolder claim earlier, didn't it that
you can do more than just perceive them.
Speaker 2: It did. It asserts that with enough training, enough mastery,
you can learn not just to perceive these other realities,
but to actually change and control it and bend it
to your will.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's where the matrix comparison comes in, right, Like
neo learning to manipulate the code.
Speaker 2: The report makes that comparison explicitly drawing a parallel to
neo gaining the ability to see and manipulate the simulated
reality of the matrix. It even takes it a step further,
suggesting this ability is like God, implying this fundamental power
over the very nature of reality itself.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And this ties into the technique called patterning, which we
should probably get into. But it stems from this idea
of influencing reality.
Speaker 1: Which brings us back to that holographic principle again. The
report seems to really lean on this idea that energy creates, stores,
and retrieves, meaning by projecting holograms.
Speaker 2: Right, the fundamental energy of the universe vibrating in specific
ways is said to expand or project outwards in three dimensions,
creating these patterned energy fields, these holograms. And the report
emphasizes the incredible capacity of a hologram to store information.
How so it uses this example. Imagine you create a
holographic projection of say a glass of swamp water.
Speaker 1: Okay, got it, murky water hologram.
Speaker 2: Now, the amazing thing about a hologram is that you
could then take that hologram itself, put it under a microscope,
and as you zoom in, you would see detailed holographic
images of the microscopic organisms that were in the original water.
All that information is encoded throughout the entire holographic structure.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. The detail is everywhere in the hologram, not
just in one spot exactly.
Speaker 2: It illustrates that immense information density. And the report links
this directly to the idea that maybe the universe is
fundamentally made of information, not just matter or energy.
Speaker 1: Information is the base layer.
Speaker 2: It references the physicist John Wheeler, particularly his work on
things like the delayed choice double slit experiment. Those experiments
showed really perplexing results where particles seem to be affected
by measurements made after they supposedly shows their path, hinting
at a weird relationship between observation time and reality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, quantum weirdness.
Speaker 2: Right. The report latches onto Wheeler's broader conclusion or speculation
that perhaps the universe isn't just matter and energy. Perhaps
it's fundamentally composed of information, bits of information interacting. Our
universal hologram then is constructed from this fundamental information.
Speaker 1: So the hologram isn't just a static picture, it's this dynamic,
incredibly information rich structure.
Speaker 2: Yes, and the report describes how this hologram is constantly
being created and maintained through continuous information exchange. Particles bounce
off each other, they interact, affect each other's energy speed trajectory.
They're constantly exchanging information, and this process builds and reinforces
the holographic pattern we perceive as reality.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense within our universe. But then the
Gateway report makes a huge leap right beyond conventional physics speculation.
Speaker 2: It really does. This is a critical point. It claims
that this information exchange isn't just limited to happening within
our own dimension or universe.
Speaker 1: It happens between dimensions.
Speaker 2: That's what it claims. That information can flow between different dimensions,
different layers of reality. This is absolutely central to the
report's framework. It applies, our universe isn't the only game
in town, and there's communication information flow between these different lilas.
Speaker 1: And if consciousness is energy, like the report keeps saying.
Speaker 2: Then the theory posits our consciousness, being this complex energy
fuel itself, can also exchange information with these other dimensions.
Speaker 1: Ah okay, so that's the proposed mechanism for how you'd
get intuitive knowledge, or how remote viewing might work, or
even how you might encounter those non friendly entities they
weren't about. It's information exchange across dimensions.
Speaker 2: That seems to be the underlying model they're proposing for
all these phenomena.
Speaker 1: And this leads directly to the idea of actively influencing reality,
not just observing it from afar.
Speaker 2: Precisely, the report argues strongly against the idea that we
humans are just passive receivers just watching the universal information show.
It says we are active participants in this information exchange.
We shape it and by training how we perceive and
process the information that constructs our reality. The report makes
the incredibly bold claim that we can actually change reality itself.
Speaker 1: Change reality. That feels like the biggest, most out there
claim of all.
Speaker 2: How it is huge, and the specific technique described for
doing this is called patterning. The report defines patterning based
on that core idea. Since consciousness is presented as the
fundamental source of all reality, then our thoughts must have
the power to influence that reality.
Speaker 1: Thoughts can change things.
Speaker 2: This influence can happen, the report says, if the thoughts
are projected with adequate intensity.
Speaker 1: So if you focus your thoughts, your intention with enough
power and clarity on a specific desired outcome, you can
actually make it manifest in the external world, like really
make it happen.
Speaker 2: That's the underlying principle of patterning as it's presented in
the report. It exuplicitly draws an analogy to concepts you
might have heard of, like the secret or the law
of attraction. The idea that focusing your intention and imagination
intensely on a goal can help bring it about. The
gateway process then is presented as the sort of scientific
or technical method for achieving the necessary mental state. The focus,
the intensity the coherence to make patterning truly effective.
Speaker 1: Okay, but how how does consciousness actually access this fundamental
information level or interact strongly enough to pattern reality. The
report brings in a concept from physics here, doesn't It's
something called the plank distance. Ah.
Speaker 2: Yes, the plank distance or plank length. This is a
real concept in theoretical physics. It's considered a fundamental unit,
the smallest possible measurement of length that's thought to have
any physical meaning.
Speaker 1: How smaller We're talking.
Speaker 2: Incredibly small, about one point six times ten to the
power of minus thirty five meters. It's unimaginably tiny at
scales smaller than the plank length. To our current understanding
of physics, where quantum mechanics meets general relativity kind of
breaks down. It's the fuzzy edge of known physics.
Speaker 1: It's like the absolute smallest pixel size for the universe.
Maybe the limit of resolution.
Speaker 2: That's a decent way to think about it. Yeah, the
limit where our current physical laws might not fully apply. Now,
Colonel McDonnell's speculation, apparently building on some of Vinzac Beenta's idea,
is this by using the Hemi sync process to accelerate
brain weigh frequencies achieve those higher vibrational states. Huh, human
consciousness might somehow be able to transcend the physical limitation
imposed by the plank distance.
Speaker 1: Transcend the smallest possible distance. What does that even mean
for consciousness? Where does it go?
Speaker 2: He suggests that consciousness could, maybe just for an infinitesimally
brief instant, actually enter the space beyond normal human perception,
the realm, where the rules of space time as we
know them might bend or break. He gives this phenomenon
a very specific name, clicking out of reality.
Speaker 1: Clicking out. That's evocative. What does that feel like or
what does it involve physically? According to this theory, it's.
Speaker 2: Tied back to that idea of energy oscillating vibrating. The
report stakes that when energy oscillates below the plank distance,
meaning when the space between the energy ways becomes smaller
than this fundamental physical limit, it effectively clicks out of
time space and joins infinity.
Speaker 1: It vibrates so fast or so cohesively that it momentarily
ducks under the fabric of space time.
Speaker 2: That seems to be the idea. McDonald quotes Bentov again here,
who apparently described it as entering a new world. When
distances drop below the plank scale, it's a threshold crossing.
Speaker 1: So the consciousness energy essentially vibrates so intensely that for
a split second, it bypasses the structure of space time
as we know it and enters this state of infinity
or what the report calls the absolute, that.
Speaker 2: Is the proposed physical or perhaps quasi physical mechanism. And
this moment of clicking out is described using that Alison
Wonderland analogy, like consciousness passing through the looking glass of
time space. You step out of the familiar dimensions.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you click out, you pass through the looking glass.
Where do you end up? You mentioned infinity and the absolute?
What is the absolute?
Speaker 2: In this model? To help visualize this, McDonald actually includes
a conceptual drawing in the report. He shows this oscilla
energy wave representing consciousness or maybe reality itself. The main
part of the wave where it's going up and down,
back and forth, that represents our perceived reality, our normal
time space dimension.
Speaker 1: The everyday world right.
Speaker 2: But at the very peak of the wave, in the
very bottom the tross, there's that infinitesimly brief instant where
the wave momentarily stops moving before it changes direction.
Speaker 1: That tiny pause at the very top and very bottom
of the oscillation exactly.
Speaker 2: It's at that specific point, according to the diagram and
the explanation, that consciousness clicks out of our reality. It
momentarily exits the normal time space oscillation and joins what
the report calls infinity and the.
Speaker 1: Absolute, and the absolute is.
Speaker 2: The report defines the absolute as energy in its absolute state.
It's described as a conscious energy field at rest, like
the most fundamental primordial level of existence imaginable, a state
of infinite potential maybe, but currently inactive, just sitting there
doing nothing, from which everything else ultimately arises.
Speaker 1: So it's the base layer, and the various dimensions, including ours,
are built on top of this absolute.
Speaker 2: Yes, the report explicitly proposes this kind of layered model
of reality. You have the absolute at the very foundation,
the deepest level. Then layered above it are various intervening dimensions,
other realities perhaps, and then on top of all those
is our material universe reality, the time space dimension where
we have our physical existence.
Speaker 1: And this absolute energy. Feel this base layer isn't just
in one place, or is it everywhere?
Speaker 2: According to the report, because the absolute is conscious energy,
and it exists in this state of infinity, it is
inherently without boundaries. Therefore, it actually occupies every dimension, to
include the time space dimension where we exist right now.
Speaker 1: So it's everywhere, all the time, the fundamental background noise,
the substratum of all reality.
Speaker 2: That's the idea. But because of our brain's filtering mechanism,
we simply cannot perceive it in our normal state of consciousness.
We're not tuned to its frequency, so to speak.
Speaker 1: You know. So this description of the absolute, this infinite
conscious energy field at rest, the source of everything everywhere,
but unperceived, it sounds remarkably like concepts of God or
a universal source or the ground of being that you
find in so many different spiritual and mystical traditions around
the world.
Speaker 2: Colonel McDonald makes that connection very very explicitly. He actually
poses the question in the report, who created this ABSOLUTEI pretool,
who created the source of everything? And his answer, written
right there in the US Military intelligence report is startling.
He says, you did.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: We did, meaning all of us collectively humanity or perhaps
all consciousness.
Speaker 1: We created the fundamental ground of reality.
Speaker 2: That's the report's really radical claim. It describes individual consciousness
as being sort of born out of this Absolute, emerging
into individual existence. Within this reality. We live, our lives,
have experiences, learn, and then upon physical death, our consciousness
returns to the Absolute. He calls the absolute the collective consciousness.
Speaker 1: So we are like individual waves temporarily forming on the
surface of this vast ocean of collective energy, the Absolute.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good analogy for the model presented. Yes,
and the report makes another fascinating claim that our individual identity,
our sense of self and memories, is somehow retained within
this collective consciousness after we return, which could be interpreted
as a kind of immortality, not as a separate soul,
but as part of the source energy.
Speaker 1: Wow, and this collective consciousness the Absolute. This is what
McDonald directly connects to traditional ideas of God or the divine.
Speaker 2: He does He describes it as an emanation of an
omnipotent and omniscient divinity, but a divinity who is completely
unknowable in his primary state of being. So the Absolute,
in its pure, resting, infinite state, is the unknoble Godhead.
Maybe and our reality, our individual consciousness are like emanations
or projections from it, and.
Speaker 1: He tries to back this up by drawing parallels to
different religions and mystical paths in the report itself.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he goes out of his way to who explicitly
reference concepts from Hebrew mystical philosophy, Kabbalah, perhaps the Christian
concept of the trinity, and he finds strong echoes in
Eastern religions. He quotes from Tibetan Buddhist teachings, mentions ancient
Hindu texts like the Rapanashads.
Speaker 1: Why does he do that?
Speaker 2: He seems to use these widespread parallels across very different
cultures and belief systems as evidence evidence that this core
idea of a fundamental, all encompassing source, whether you call
the absolute or the universal hologram, is a kind of
perennial truth that has been intuitively grasped by mystics and
sages throughout human history.
Speaker 1: So the Gateway process is presented as a modern way
to access the same reality those ancient traditions pointed towards.
Speaker 2: That seems to be the implication. Now, how does this absolute,
this conscious energy field at rest become self aware if
it's just sit in there doing nothing the report starts
to get into that very question just before.
Speaker 1: Before the infamous missing page twenty five exactly yea.
Speaker 2: The report poses the question how does the absolute achieve
self consciousness? And it answers itself, saying, the consciousness of
the absolute must project a hologram of itself and then
perceive it. This creates, it says, an eternal thought or
concept it self, which results from this self consciousness serves.
Speaker 1: The we, serves the wet. And that's literally where it
cuts off at the bottom of page twenty four. In
the original version of the report that was publicly available
for years, the next page anyone had was page twenty six.
Speaker 2: Exactly just stop mid sentence. This created a huge mystery, obviously,
It fueled years and years of speculation online and elsewhere.
People filed Freedom of Information Act requests, signed petitions trying
to get page twenty five from the CIA, but the
agency consistently maintained they didn't have it, or couldn't find it,
or couldn't release it.
Speaker 1: It led to all sorts of wild theories, didn't it
about what explosive secret could possibly be on that single page,
especially cutting off right when it's talking about the absolutes
self consciousness in its purpose, people imagined military secrets, alien contact,
proof of God.
Speaker 2: The mystery really lingered for decades until quite recently. Actually,
in twenty twenty one, the website Vice published a big
article about the Gateway Document, and it really highlighted the
ongoing controversy around missing page twenty.
Speaker 1: Five, and that got attention, it did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And shortly after that article came out and generated buzz,
the Monroe Institute itself, the place where the training originated,
they released a complete uncensored report online, including the long
lost page twenty five.
Speaker 1: They had it all along. Wow, So, after all that
build up, all the speculation, what was on page twenty five?
Was it some earth shattering military secret, a terrifying revelation
about the non friendly entities?
Speaker 2: So you can go read it yourself now it's out there.
But the content of page twenty five turned out to be, well,
maybe less explosive in a secret weapon kind of way
than some people hoped, but arguably profoundly significant in a
completely different way. Okay, tell me, Colonel McDonald essentially stays
in page twenty five that regardless of a person's specific
religious beliefs or cultural background, the Gateway Process can be
seen as a valuable tool. In fact, he calls it
potentially the most valuable tool ever designed to help a
person truly understand themselves and maybe more importantly, understand the
fundamental nature of the universe itself.
Speaker 1: So he presents it as a tool for profound personal
and cosmic understanding, transcending specific dogmas.
Speaker 2: Yes, and he explicitly claims that while ancient mystics and
sages seem to grasp this underlying truth intuitively through meditation
or other means, the Gateway Process provides a practical, accessible
method that, in his view, scientifically confirms these ancient insights.
Speaker 1: That fits perfectly with all those earlier references he made
to different religious traditions finding similar ideas.
Speaker 2: It ties it all together, and perhaps the most impactful
part of page twenty five, the core message is what
it says about this collective consciousness, the absolute. It states
that every single person on Earth is fundamentally part of
this one collective consciousness.
Speaker 1: We're all connected, yes, and.
Speaker 2: That we were all played here in this physical reality
for the same underlying purpose, which is to accumulate experiences,
to learn from one an other, and ultimately take that
knowledge back to the energy for which we.
Speaker 1: All came, gather experiences and knowledge, learn from each other,
and bring it back to the source. That's actually a
really powerful and unifying idea, and.
Speaker 2: The report goes on to claim that becoming truly aware
of this universal hologram and our place within the collective
consciousness could potentially free ourselves from the prison of our
individual lives. It could allow us to finally realize that
at our most basic level, we're all the same, We
are all one.
Speaker 1: A message of universal unity overcoming individual isolation and prejudice
found on the missing page of a US military intelligence
report focused on potential psychic warfare. The irony is just staggering,
it truly is.
Speaker 2: And the fact that this specific page the one containing
this message of collective consciousness, shared purpose, unity and freedom
from the prison of our individual lives, the fact that
this was the page missing from the CIA's publicly available
file for almost.
Speaker 1: Forty years, it feels deeply significant. Whether it was an
intentional emission or just a bureaucratic screw up, it looks
really suspicious, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: McDonald himself interestingly on page twenty six, when the previously
available document picked up again, he immediately pivots right back
to the practical military applications, almost like snapping back to attention,
remembering the official purpose of his report back to business. Yeah,
but reading page twenty five, it's really hard not to
feel that his own exploration of these ideas led him
to insights that went far, far beyond simple intelligence gathering.
And as the source material, we looked at notes regarding
the missing page itself, whether its absence was accidental or deliberate,
it looks bad either way, given the profound, unifying nature
of its content.
Speaker 1: It certainly raises a lot of questions about priorities. Maybe,
but McDonald does, as you said, get back to the
task at hand. Eventually, how the army should actually use
this gateway process he does.
Speaker 2: He recommends a clear, multi phased approach for military personnel
wanting to utilize this first phase use the hemi sync
tapes the audio recordings to learn how to reliably synchronize
their brain hemispheres and enter the required altered states of consciousness.
Speaker 1: Master the basic technique.
Speaker 2: Right second phase, practice diligently until they can induce these
states at will without needing the external sound stimulus anymore.
Develop internal control and finally the third phase, once that
mastery is achieved, utilize the out of body experience capability
specifically for remote viewing for practical intelligence collection, and he.
Speaker 1: Even includes steps for trying to verify the information gathered
via remote viewing, right acknowledging the need for some kind
of objective corroboration.
Speaker 2: Yes, he has methodological considerations for verification, which is important
from an intelligence perspective, and notably, alongside all this technical training,
McDonald also encourages the trainees to pursue self knowledge actively,
to work on removing any personal prejudices or biases they
might hold, because he believed those could block their progress
in accessing these deeper states.
Speaker 1: So personal, psychological, and maybe even spiritual development were seen
as necessary components for mastering the technique effectively. It wasn't
just mechanics.
Speaker 2: That's strongly implied that self awareness and clearing out mental
clutter were crucial.
Speaker 1: So the immediate practical application they were aiming for was
remote viewing intelligence gathering. But the ultimate, most ambitious goal
for the military, according to the report, was that patterning.
Speaker 2: Technique, yes, moving beyond observation to influence learning to use
these focused states of consciousness to actively adjust reality for
what he vaguely terms practical applications.
Speaker 1: And that capability, the power to adjust reality. That's where
the conversation about trust and control becomes absolutely unaffordable.
Speaker 2: Isn't it completely? The source material points is that, well,
Colonel MacDonald himself reading the report, he comes across as
seemingly trustworthy, genuinely curious, trying to apply scientific rigor. But
the sheer potential power implied by a military organization or
any government entity having the ability to pattern or adjust reality.
Speaker 1: That immediately triggers alarm bells major concerns about misuse, control, manipulation.
Speaker 2: Was this stark tension throughout the discussion. Isn't there between
the potential for individual enlightenment, profound cosmic understanding, the unity
message of page twenty five, and the potential for unprecedented
power and control falling into the hands of institutions that
are often built around conflict, secrecy, and hierarchy.
Speaker 1: The source material even floats this kind of optimistic, hopeful idea,
What if as soldiers actually engage in this process, as
they potentially experience that unity of the collective consciousness described
on page twenty five, maybe they'd naturally move away from conflict.
Maybe they'd realize the futility of war.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thought, right. It perfectly reflects the hopeful
message of unity embedded in report itself, as the source
also realistically notes, optimists, especially when it comes to the
practical applications of great power, are often disappointed by how
things play out in the real world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the potential for this kind of capability, if it's real,
to be used for manipulative or harmful purposes, is a
very serious, sobering consideration. You can't ignore that possibility.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Okay. So, if the Gameway process is supposedly something anyone
can do even today, and it promises these truly extraordinary
capabilities altering consciousness, exploring dimensions, maybe even influencing reality, what
are the downsides? What are the potential negative outcomes? Are
there real risks involved in deliberately trying to turn off
that brain filter or operating in these altered states?
Speaker 2: The report itself and certainly others who have explored these
kinds of states through various means, acknowledged that, yes, there
are significant potential risks, although it's often emphasized that serious
negative outcomes are rare compared to the positive ones.
Speaker 1: What are the positives people report?
Speaker 2: Many students or practitioners report profoundly positive life changes, things
like drastically improved well being, a much greater sense of
self awareness, enhanced creativity, feeling more clarity and focus in
their everyday lives. Really transformative stuff for some people.
Speaker 1: Okay, those sound great. What about the dark side? The risks?
Speaker 2: The reported negative outcomes can be quite serious. They include
things like intense anxiety, bouts of depression, and, in very
rare instances, actual psychotic episodes psychosis.
Speaker 1: That's alarming. What's the underlying mechanism of risk here? What
goes wrong?
Speaker 2: The primary risk that gets highlighted is the potential for
becoming psychologically detached from this reality. When you deliberately start
altering your fundamental state of consciousness, your perception of the world,
there's a potential danger of becoming well, untethered and lost,
feeling disconnected, unable to find your way back to a
stable functional awareness within everyday life.
Speaker 1: Like taking apart the engine of your reality perception and
not being able to put it back together properly.
Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it. While the report
and proponents tend to emphasize that severe negative outcomes are
statistically rare. The potential for psychological detachment, for feeling a
drift is a real and serious risk associated with diving
into these very deep states, perhaps especially without proper guidance, integration,
or mental preparedness.
Speaker 1: It makes intuitive sense if the filter that normally keeps
you grounded and consensus reality is intentionally disrupted or removed,
it could be incredibly disorienting, maybe even psychologically destabilizing for
some individuals.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's presenting a potentially very powerful key, but attempting
to unlock the fundamental nature of reality might come with inherent,
perhaps even proportional risks. It's not trivial.
Speaker 1: So what about colonel McDonald himself. Where is he now?
The source mentioned he's retired.
Speaker 2: Yes, Lieutenant Colonel Wayne McDonald is reportedly now in his eighties,
long retired from the military, and as far as anyone
publicly knows, he hasn't published any further reports or really
discussed the Gateway process or these concepts extensively in public.
Since that original nineteen eighty three document was completed and classified.
He's been pretty quiet about it.
Speaker 1: It just leaves so many unanswered questions, doesn't it What
did he truly believe by the end of writing that report.
Did he continue his own personal exploration of the Gateway
process after leaving the military, What, if anything, did he
experience himself? Did he ever click out?
Speaker 2: And given the report's profound claims about consciousness surviving death
and returning to the absolute, you absolutely have to wonder
about his perspective now later in life. Does he fear
death or is he perhaps looking forward with some kind
of anticipation. Did that potential return to the collective consciousness
he described so analytically.
Speaker 1: Does the knowledge or the beliefs contained in that report
give him a sense of peace or understanding, or maybe
even anxiety as he nears the end of his life
in this perceived reality. Gosh, it would be absolutely incredible
to have a conversation with him today, wouldn't it to
just hear his reflections after all these decades.
Speaker 2: It really would be fascinating, because if the core claims
of the Gateway Report hold even a shred of truth,
then the implication is massive that consciousness is far more resilient,
maybe even infinite, compared to what mainstream science often assumes.
He doesn't just wink out of existence when the physical
body dies, but returns to the absolute, that fundamental source.
Speaker 1: Energy, which, as MacDonald himself pointed out with his references,
sounds remarkably similar to concepts of heaven, nirvana, or God
found in countless belief systems. Maybe not an old man
with a beard, but a common source, an all encompassing
energy field, the ground of being from which we emerge
and to which we eventually return.
Speaker 2: It resonates very deeply with those ancient archetypal ideas, and
it really highlights this fascinating tension that exists for so
many people today, the perceived conflict between faith, which often
operates on belief and inner experience without needing external proof,
and science, which rigorously demands empirical, measurable, verifiable evidence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people often I feel like they have to choose
one or the other. Right, you're either a person of
faith who believes in spiritual realities and after life meaning,
or you're a rational scientific person who trusts only what
can be objectively measured and proven.
Speaker 2: But the Gateway Report precisely because it attempts to use
the language and concepts of physics, biology, and engineering to
explain experiences typically considered mystical or spiritual. It proposes something
incredibly thought provoking, doesn't it, Which is, what if science
in God understood not as dogma, but in this sense
of a universal source, an absolute energy field, the collective consciousness.
What if they're actually pointing towards the exact same fundamental reality.
It's using different languages, different tools, different modes of inquiry.
Speaker 1: What if the objective structure of the universe that science
is painstakingly trying to uncover is the very same thing
that mystics and people of faith have experienced subjectively intuitively
for millennia.
Speaker 2: That's the potential bridge. It suggests, yea a convergence rather
than an inherent conflict kind of blurs the lines completely.
It implies that the deepest exploration of the universe, whether
you pursue it through external scientific methods like physics and cosmology,
or through internal conscious exploration like meditation or maybe even
the Gateway techniques, perhaps they ultimately lead to the same profound,
underlying truth about the nature of reality in our place
within it.
Speaker 1: So as we kind of wrap up this deep dive,
then we've journeyed through this absolutely wild document, a genuine
US military intelligence report from nineteen eighty three that seriously
explored using consciousness as a tool to potentially transcend space, time,
access other dimensions, and even suggested that reality itself is
a kind of shared energy hologram created by a collective
consciousness that we are all fundamentally part of.
Speaker 2: It's a set of concepts that pushes the boundaries of
conventional thinking right to their absolute limit and maybe beyond
for many people. And yet the report tries rightly or
wrongly to ground these seemingly mystical ideas and concepts borrowed
from physics, energy fields, lography, brain weigh frequencies, resonance, even
the plank distance. It presents it not as magic, but
is a potentially unexplored frontier of human potential and the
deep nature of reality.
Speaker 1: And whether you ultimately view this report as just a
fascinating historical artifact of Cold War era military exploring unconventional ideas,
or is really far fet speculation based on maybe loose
scientific analogies, or perhaps even as a genuine, if incomplete,
glimpse into the true nature of existence. The questions it
raises are undeniably profound and stick with you.
Speaker 2: They really force you to reconsider some of your most
basic assumptions about the world and yourself. If our consciousness is,
as the report suggests, something more fundamental, maybe just a
frequency within a vast universal energy field, how does that
change the way you think about your own life, your
connections to other people, or what might happen when this
particular physical body ceases to function.
Speaker 1: What if the key to understanding the deepest mysteries of
the universe and maybe even ourselves isn't really out there
in the distant cosmos or in giant particle colliders, but
has actually been right here within us all along, waiting
perhaps for us to simply learn how to tune in differently.
That's definitely a thought that lingers long after you put
down the Gateway Report.