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Speaker 1: Okay, So imagine this for a second. What if everything

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you thought was solid, you know, real, tangible, just wasn't.

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like the chair you're sitting on right now, the air

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you're breathing, it's all just this incredibly complex illusion.

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Speaker 2: Right to construct exactly?

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Speaker 1: And what if the key to stepping outside that allusion

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to actually seeing reality for what it really is wasn't

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somewhere out in space but inside your own mind.

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Speaker 2: It definitely sounds like the start of some you know,

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deep sci fi movie or a philosophical text, doesn't it totally?

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But what we're actually diving into today is a real document,

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one that was classified sat inside US Army intelligence for decades.

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Speaker 1: Classified.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's this report from nineteen eighty three, written

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by a Lieutenant Colonel Wayne MacDonald. It's titled Analysis and

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Assessment of Gateway.

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Speaker 1: Process Gateway Process, okay, and it.

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Speaker 2: Basically proposes that the human mind, if you use these

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specific techniques, can get into states of consciousness that well,

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they really challenge our fundamental understanding of space time existence itself.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you shared this document with me, reading

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it felt less like a military analysis and more like

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finding some kind of reality hacking manual. It's wild.

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Speaker 2: It really is something else.

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Speaker 1: So our mission in this deep dive really is to

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unpack this absolutely extraordinary piece of writing. We want to

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try and get our heads around the really profound concepts

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it's putting forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the idea that reality is just a construct.

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Speaker 1: Right, that reality is a construct, that consciousness isn't just awareness,

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it's a tool, and that we could potentially, you know,

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transcend the very limits of the universe.

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Speaker 2: We know it's mind bending stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, look at the techniques it talks about for getting

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into these states. And then we really have to grapple

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with the implications, right, not just for the military stuff

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it mentions, but what it might mean for us personally,

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for understanding who we are, where we fit in the cosmos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely a journey to the age of perception,

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and guided by this pretty unlikely source, an army intelligence report.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's set the scene a bit more. The

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military obviously has a long history, right exploring ways to

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enhance human performance, especially for soldiers.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, it's well documented. We've seen research into pretty

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much everything, pharmacological stuff, drugs for alertness.

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Speaker 1: Endurance, feelence, things like that.

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Speaker 2: Exactly two more high tech approaches like future possibilities of

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brain implants, or even way back there was speculative interest

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in genetics trying to create what some people might call

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Speaker 1: Right, the usual focus is making the human body, the

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physical package, faster, stronger, more resilient.

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Speaker 2: Precisely you augment the physical or the immediate cognitive abilities.

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But this report, it takes as completely radical detour. Okay,

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it shifts the focus entirely away from the physical body

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onto consciousness.

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Speaker 1: Itself consciousness is the tool.

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Speaker 2: That's it, the core claim. The thing that seems to

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have propelled this research within army intelligence was this idea

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that a really well trained participant in this gateway process

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could achieve an out of body experience.

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Speaker 1: An ob an obe like floating above your body, that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and crucially, they could use this state for intelligence gathering. Imagine,

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you know, projecting your awareness totally invisibly into some secure

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enemy facility or behind enemy lines.

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Speaker 1: Okay, even that is a huge leap for most people.

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that's been talked about, but seeing it as a serious,

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like training target for the military is pretty noteworthy.

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Speaker 2: It is, but the report goes way beyond just remote viewing.

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It makes these assertions that really push the boundaries of

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belief for well, pretty much anyone. So it claims participants

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could and I'm quoting here, pull their consciousness completely out

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Speaker 1: Well hang on, not just project to somewhere else, but

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totally detach from this reality.

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Speaker 1: In time, anywhere, anytime. That's not just intelligence gathering, that's

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like mastering reality itself.

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Speaker 2: The scope is absolutely breathtaking. You go from spying on

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a specific location to potentially accessing any location and any

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even remotely possible? This gets to the really deep philosophical

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Speaker 2: It really does. It introduces this fundamental claim our everyday universe,

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the one that feels so solid, so real, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: It doesn't exist to them, but I can touch this desk.

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Speaker 2: Well, according to the report, it's a construct, one created

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by our own minds, and the gateway process offers a method,

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a pathway to actually exit this perceived construct and to

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quote again, see reality for what it really is.

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Speaker 1: So the solidity is an illusion generated by my mind.

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scientific thinking. It's suggesting the solid things, the structure we perceive,

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surprising the report was immediately classified back in eighty three.

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Speaker 2: You'd think so, right, and you guess the classification was

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Speaker 2: But the report states this surprisingly simple, almost profound reason

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for why it was classified, and it's this, anyone can

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Speaker 1: Even you wait, the method was the secret, not the results,

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because anyone could do it.

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that it might be accessible to regular people outside military control,

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that was seen as the security risk its potential accessibility.

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but the idea that anyone could potentially alter their consciousness

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Speaker 2: Exactly. If this process was real and it was available

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to anyone with say, some headphones and enough dedication, the

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implications for intelligence, security, maybe even society. They were seen

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sure everyone listening is thinking this, traveling through time and

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space with your mind, exiting reality, accessing other dimensions. This

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the report. He knew it would sound paranormal or like

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new age mumbo jumbo. So how did he try to

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sell this? How did he make it sound even remotely plausible,

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of how radical this would all seem, so he made

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a deliberate effort to try and anchor his analysis in

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trying to lend some scientific weight to the sort of

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the subjective experience and maybe some objective measurements exactly.

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Speaker 2: He also leaned pretty heavily on concepts from quantum mechanics

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to talk about the nature of consciousness and reality at

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that really fundamental level, and he used principles from classical

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understanding things like OBEs.

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not just spirituality. He really makes a point of arguing

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for the plausibility of achieving intuitional insights of not only

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personal but of a practical and professional nature. He suggests

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they'd seem to be within bounds of reasonable expectations if

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Speaker 1: Okay, so he attempts the scientific grounding, But where does

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the actual training system come from. The report calls it

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the Gateway Process.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the Gateway Process is the specific name of a

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training system. It was developed back in the nineteen seventies

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Speaker 1: The Monroe Institute, hand, is that the place founded by

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Robert Monroe, the guy who wrote that famous book about

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Speaker 2: That's the one. The report actually states that Colonel McDonald

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why they might classify the record about it. But I'm

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. The report is clear, this isn't some

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Speaker 1: What do you need first?

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Speaker 2: It emphasizes that before you even attempt the more advanced techniques,

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participants have to master some fundamental skills, things like deep

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relaxation techniques, meditation okay, and cultivating extreme focus and concentration,

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crucial mental attitude. The report stresses you have to consciously

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set aside doubt. You need to maintain a completely open mind, irreceptive,

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basely receptive to experiences, to concepts that fall way outside

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military use and potential, there's this really surprising, almost kind

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of chilling final warning from McDonald.

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is potentially accessible to anyone, McDonald includes this caution. He

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Speaker 1: That definitely raises the stakes way beyond just remote viewing

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somebody's office. That's interaction, potential conflict. Okay, let's pivot back though,

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core idea about what reality actually is. It makes that

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radical claim solid matter simply does not exist.

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pushes them towards this really profound philosophical conclusion. It describes

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adams not as tiny solid balls, but as oscillating energy

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grids surrounded by other oscillating energy grids which orbit at

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human organism, body, brain, consciousness, thoughts, everything is and I

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quote like the universe which surrounds him, nothing more or

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less than an extraordinarily complex system of energy fields.

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Speaker 1: We aren't made of energy. We are energy fields.

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Speaker 2: That's the assertion. We are complex patterns of vibrating energy.

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Speaker 1: And the different states of matter solid, liquid gas.

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that's all energy patterns interacting. That's wow, that's a lot

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to take in. How do we even perceive this supposed

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solid world then, if it's all just energy buzzing around?

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useful analogy, the brain as a kind of radio receiver

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and filter radio. Yeah, imagine the universe is broadcasting this

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infinite spectrum of energy frequencies, all sorts of information, all

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sorts of potential realities. Our brain, the report suggests, is

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world that we see, but it only picks up a

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tiny fraction of small percentage of all the energy that's

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Speaker 1: So my brain is actively filtering out most of reality

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to keep me focused on this bit precisely, just.

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excludes all the other stations on the dial. Our brains

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energy that creates our reality. This filter is essential, it

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of the energy spectrum we call our universe. It lets

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do they fit in?

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Speaker 2: They're like the speaker on the radio. The radio converts

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invisible electromagnetic waves into audible sound, right. Similarly, our brains

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Speaker 1: So the brain takes the energy pattern vibrating at table

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frequency and converts it into my perception of a solid table,

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creating the illusion.

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Speaker 2: That is the report's central claim about how we perceive reality,

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and it builds on this by describing the universe itself

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as a shared universal.

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sort of but vastly more complex. The idea is that

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the universe is composed of these interacting energy fields, and

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they form one gigantic hologram of unbelievable complexity.

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Speaker 2: The holographic universe idea. Yeah, I've definitely heard that mentioned

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in like speculative physic circles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the report actually references the work of people like

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the neuroscientist Carl Prubram and the physicist David Bohm. They

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independently developed theories suggesting the universe and maybe even the

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mind might operate holographically. Okay, so the report takes that

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idea and runs with it, positing that the human mind

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is also a hologram, and our consciousness arises when our

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individual mental hologram attunes itself to the universal hologram. We're

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kind of like miniature holographic receivers operating inside this vast

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shared holographic reality.

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Speaker 2: And the Gateway process training, then, is the method for

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bypassing that brain filter to stop being tuned just to

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the one reality station and start picking up the whole

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cosmic broadcast. That's the core mechanism described. The report states

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that the Gateway process teaches you essentially how to turn

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off the filter in your brain. By doing that, you

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supposedly gain access to the wider spectrum of energy and information,

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those other states of the realities that the brain normally excludes.

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Speaker 1: And the ultimate goal doing this, according.

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Speaker 2: To a report, is to help you escape space time altogether.

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Speaker 1: Escape space time. Wow. Okay, And the report seriously says

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this is done just by listening to sounds through headphones.

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That's it. No, you know, sensory deprivation tanks or psychedelic

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drugs or years of monastic discipline.

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Speaker 2: That's what it emphasizes. Yeah, the fundamental mechanism described involves

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using very specific sound frequencies delivered through headphones. The report

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explicitly contrasts this approach with methods involving drugs or deep

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mystical practices. It presents Gateway as more of a technical process.

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Speaker 1: A technical process using sound. And this originated with Robert

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Monroe's accidental discovery. Right. This wasn't some like ancient esoteric

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secret unearthed from a pyramid. It came from a New

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York broadcasting executive in the nineteen fifties tinkering with audio.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, Monroe wasn't looking for enlightenment or anything. He was

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experimenting with sound patterns, exploring ideas around sleep learning, hipnopedia

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and how different audio frequencies might affect mood or concentration.

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Speaker 1: And then one night he's trying out a specific frequency

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this growing sense of paralysis spreading through his body. Then

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these intense vibrations start. He sees a bright white light,

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feels a rush of air, or hears a loud, roaring.

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Speaker 1: Sound that sounds incredibly intense, maybe even terrifying.

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Speaker 2: He described it as intense, certainly. But then suddenly the

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noise stopped, the light faded, and he found himself floating,

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floating near the ceiling, looking down at his own physical

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body lying on the bed.

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Speaker 1: WHOA.

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Speaker 2: The spontaneous, totally unexpected experience was what he later studied

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and famously termed the out of body experience or OBE.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't just dismiss it as like a weird

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dream or a hallucination. He got methodical about it. He did.

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Speaker 2: Being a broadcast executive, he had that technical mindset. He

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started experimenting systematically, trying to figure out the conditions, the

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specific sounds that led to that experience. He discovered he

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could actually reliably induce similar states using specific audio frequencies

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in patterns.

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Speaker 1: He could make it happen again using sound.

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Speaker 2: Apparently so, and this led to his research, his famous

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book Journeys Out of the Body, and eventually the founding

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of the Monroe Institute to study and teach others about

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these phenomenas.

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Speaker 1: So he figured out the sound was the key, and

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his research then focused on what the sound was actually

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doing to the brain to cause these altered states.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. He came to believe that the specific sound

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patterns he was using were helping to synchronize the electrical

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activity the brain waves between the left and right hemispheres.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he found he could identify access and even

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sustain different states of consciousness by achieving different levels different

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patterns of this hemispheric synchronization.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about those hemispheres for a minute. We

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always hear that simplified version. Left brain is logic, right

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brain is creativity. Is that basically the distinction the report uses.

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Speaker 2: That's the general framework it works with you. The left

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hemisphere is typically associated with the linear logical stuff, reason, language, focus, perception,

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the right hemisphere is linked more to the nonlinear intuition, creativity,

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Speaker 1: That kind of thing, the analytical versus the holistic, you.

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the institute, likening the brain to a sideways mullet.

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Speaker 1: A sideways mullet.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, yeah, you know, business on one side, logic, party

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on the other. Intuition. Obviously it's left and right, not

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front and back, but it's a quirky way. Someone thought

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of visualizing that functional difference.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the sideways mullet, I won't forget that. And you

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to thirty hertz, which are associated with alertness, focus concentration.

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alpha range, maybe eight to thirteen hertz, which is linked

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to relaxed states, daydreaming, creativity. So yeah, the right brain

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Speaker 1: Okay, so hemisync that's Monroe's term, right, is the technique

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business and the party marching in step together.

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Speaker 2: That's precisely it. Hemisync stands for hemispheric synchronization. The report

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describes it as a training system designed specifically to bring

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enhanced strength, focus, and coherence to the brain wave patterns

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across both hemispheres, simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: Making the whole brain work together more powerfully.

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according to the report, is pretty ambitious. To alter consciousness,

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moving it outside the physical sphere so as to ultimately

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escape even the restrictions of time and space.

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Speaker 1: Altering consciousness to escape time and space, and by getting

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the hemispheres in sync, you supposedly gain access to this

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intuitive knowledge which the universe offers.

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Speaker 2: That's the claim. The report uses this really vivid analogy

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natural state of the human mind to like a standard lamp,

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a cast diffuse light illuminates things generally, but not intensely. Hemisinc,

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the report suggests, turns the mind into a laser, producing

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this focused, coherent incredibly powerful stream of energy. And it's

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this focus coherence that supposedly enables the mind to interact

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with the reality in these new powerful ways.

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Speaker 1: And this focused state leads to raising vibrational levels. What

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does that actually mean in this context energy level?

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Speaker 2: According to the Gateway framework, Yeah, synchronizing the frequency and

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the amplitude the power of the brain waves through hemisync

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allows the mind to quote accelerate and raise its vibrational

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levels vibrate faster in a manner of speaking. And as

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the mind's energy field resonates at these higher and higher frequencies,

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the report posits it can then start to synchronize with

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the more complex energy levels.

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Speaker 1: In the universe, the ones our brain usually filters out

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the energy fields may picking up those other dimensions or

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layers of the universal hologram exactly.

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Speaker 2: At these higher levels of resonance, the report claims, the

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mind becomes capable of processing that incoming universal energy and

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information in the same way it normally processes the energy

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that creates our everyday reality mean meaning the truly extraordinary

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claim is that you could then see and feel and

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understand these other states of reality as easily as you

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understand this one they become just as real, just as navigable.

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Speaker 1: Okay, just understanding other realities is already huge, But the

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report made an even bolder claim earlier, didn't it that

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you can do more than just perceive them.

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Speaker 2: It did. It asserts that with enough training, enough mastery,

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you can learn not just to perceive these other realities,

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but to actually change and control it and bend it

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to your will.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's where the matrix comparison comes in, right, Like

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neo learning to manipulate the code.

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Speaker 2: The report makes that comparison explicitly drawing a parallel to

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neo gaining the ability to see and manipulate the simulated

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reality of the matrix. It even takes it a step further,

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suggesting this ability is like God, implying this fundamental power

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over the very nature of reality itself.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And this ties into the technique called patterning, which we

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should probably get into. But it stems from this idea

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of influencing reality.

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Speaker 1: Which brings us back to that holographic principle again. The

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Speaker 2: Right, the fundamental energy of the universe vibrating in specific

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ways is said to expand or project outwards in three dimensions,

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creating these patterned energy fields, these holograms. And the report

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emphasizes the incredible capacity of a hologram to store information.

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How so it uses this example. Imagine you create a

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holographic projection of say a glass of swamp water.

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Speaker 1: Okay, got it, murky water hologram.

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Speaker 2: Now, the amazing thing about a hologram is that you

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and as you zoom in, you would see detailed holographic

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images of the microscopic organisms that were in the original water.

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Speaker 2: It illustrates that immense information density. And the report links

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this directly to the idea that maybe the universe is

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fundamentally made of information, not just matter or energy.

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Speaker 1: Information is the base layer.

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things like the delayed choice double slit experiment. Those experiments

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showed really perplexing results where particles seem to be affected

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by measurements made after they supposedly shows their path, hinting

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at a weird relationship between observation time and reality.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, quantum weirdness.

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Speaker 2: Right. The report latches onto Wheeler's broader conclusion or speculation

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that perhaps the universe isn't just matter and energy. Perhaps

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it's fundamentally composed of information, bits of information interacting. Our

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universal hologram then is constructed from this fundamental information.

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Speaker 1: So the hologram isn't just a static picture, it's this dynamic,

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incredibly information rich structure.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and the report describes how this hologram is constantly

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being created and maintained through continuous information exchange. Particles bounce

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off each other, they interact, affect each other's energy speed trajectory.

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They're constantly exchanging information, and this process builds and reinforces

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the holographic pattern we perceive as reality.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense within our universe. But then the

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Gateway report makes a huge leap right beyond conventional physics speculation.

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Speaker 2: It really does. This is a critical point. It claims

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that this information exchange isn't just limited to happening within

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our own dimension or universe.

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Speaker 1: It happens between dimensions.

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Speaker 2: That's what it claims. That information can flow between different dimensions,

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different layers of reality. This is absolutely central to the

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report's framework. It applies, our universe isn't the only game

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in town, and there's communication information flow between these different lilas.

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Speaker 1: And if consciousness is energy, like the report keeps saying.

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Speaker 2: Then the theory posits our consciousness, being this complex energy

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fuel itself, can also exchange information with these other dimensions.

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Speaker 1: Ah okay, so that's the proposed mechanism for how you'd

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get intuitive knowledge, or how remote viewing might work, or

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even how you might encounter those non friendly entities they

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weren't about. It's information exchange across dimensions.

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Speaker 2: That seems to be the underlying model they're proposing for

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all these phenomena.

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Speaker 1: And this leads directly to the idea of actively influencing reality,

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not just observing it from afar.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, the report argues strongly against the idea that we

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humans are just passive receivers just watching the universal information show.

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It says we are active participants in this information exchange.

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We shape it and by training how we perceive and

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process the information that constructs our reality. The report makes

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the incredibly bold claim that we can actually change reality itself.

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Speaker 1: Change reality. That feels like the biggest, most out there

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claim of all.

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Speaker 2: How it is huge, and the specific technique described for

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doing this is called patterning. The report defines patterning based

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on that core idea. Since consciousness is presented as the

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fundamental source of all reality, then our thoughts must have

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the power to influence that reality.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts can change things.

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Speaker 2: This influence can happen, the report says, if the thoughts

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are projected with adequate intensity.

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Speaker 1: So if you focus your thoughts, your intention with enough

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power and clarity on a specific desired outcome, you can

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actually make it manifest in the external world, like really

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make it happen.

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Speaker 2: That's the underlying principle of patterning as it's presented in

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the report. It exuplicitly draws an analogy to concepts you

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might have heard of, like the secret or the law

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of attraction. The idea that focusing your intention and imagination

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intensely on a goal can help bring it about. The

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gateway process then is presented as the sort of scientific

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or technical method for achieving the necessary mental state. The focus,

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the intensity the coherence to make patterning truly effective.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but how how does consciousness actually access this fundamental

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information level or interact strongly enough to pattern reality. The

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report brings in a concept from physics here, doesn't It's

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something called the plank distance. Ah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the plank distance or plank length. This is a

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real concept in theoretical physics. It's considered a fundamental unit,

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the smallest possible measurement of length that's thought to have

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any physical meaning.

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Speaker 1: How smaller We're talking.

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Speaker 2: Incredibly small, about one point six times ten to the

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power of minus thirty five meters. It's unimaginably tiny at

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scales smaller than the plank length. To our current understanding

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of physics, where quantum mechanics meets general relativity kind of

548
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breaks down. It's the fuzzy edge of known physics.

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Speaker 1: It's like the absolute smallest pixel size for the universe.

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Maybe the limit of resolution.

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Speaker 2: That's a decent way to think about it. Yeah, the

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limit where our current physical laws might not fully apply. Now,

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Colonel McDonnell's speculation, apparently building on some of Vinzac Beenta's idea,

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is this by using the Hemi sync process to accelerate

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brain weigh frequencies achieve those higher vibrational states. Huh, human

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consciousness might somehow be able to transcend the physical limitation

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imposed by the plank distance.

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Speaker 1: Transcend the smallest possible distance. What does that even mean

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for consciousness? Where does it go?

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Speaker 2: He suggests that consciousness could, maybe just for an infinitesimally

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brief instant, actually enter the space beyond normal human perception,

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the realm, where the rules of space time as we

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know them might bend or break. He gives this phenomenon

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a very specific name, clicking out of reality.

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Speaker 1: Clicking out. That's evocative. What does that feel like or

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what does it involve physically? According to this theory, it's.

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Speaker 2: Tied back to that idea of energy oscillating vibrating. The

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report stakes that when energy oscillates below the plank distance,

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meaning when the space between the energy ways becomes smaller

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than this fundamental physical limit, it effectively clicks out of

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time space and joins infinity.

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Speaker 1: It vibrates so fast or so cohesively that it momentarily

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ducks under the fabric of space time.

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Speaker 2: That seems to be the idea. McDonald quotes Bentov again here,

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who apparently described it as entering a new world. When

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distances drop below the plank scale, it's a threshold crossing.

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Speaker 1: So the consciousness energy essentially vibrates so intensely that for

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a split second, it bypasses the structure of space time

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as we know it and enters this state of infinity

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or what the report calls the absolute, that.

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Speaker 2: Is the proposed physical or perhaps quasi physical mechanism. And

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this moment of clicking out is described using that Alison

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Wonderland analogy, like consciousness passing through the looking glass of

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time space. You step out of the familiar dimensions.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you click out, you pass through the looking glass.

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Where do you end up? You mentioned infinity and the absolute?

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What is the absolute?

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Speaker 2: In this model? To help visualize this, McDonald actually includes

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a conceptual drawing in the report. He shows this oscilla

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energy wave representing consciousness or maybe reality itself. The main

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part of the wave where it's going up and down,

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back and forth, that represents our perceived reality, our normal

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time space dimension.

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Speaker 1: The everyday world right.

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Speaker 2: But at the very peak of the wave, in the

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very bottom the tross, there's that infinitesimly brief instant where

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the wave momentarily stops moving before it changes direction.

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Speaker 1: That tiny pause at the very top and very bottom

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of the oscillation exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's at that specific point, according to the diagram and

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the explanation, that consciousness clicks out of our reality. It

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momentarily exits the normal time space oscillation and joins what

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the report calls infinity and the.

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Speaker 1: Absolute, and the absolute is.

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Speaker 2: The report defines the absolute as energy in its absolute state.

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It's described as a conscious energy field at rest, like

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the most fundamental primordial level of existence imaginable, a state

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of infinite potential maybe, but currently inactive, just sitting there

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doing nothing, from which everything else ultimately arises.

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Speaker 1: So it's the base layer, and the various dimensions, including ours,

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are built on top of this absolute.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the report explicitly proposes this kind of layered model

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of reality. You have the absolute at the very foundation,

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the deepest level. Then layered above it are various intervening dimensions,

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other realities perhaps, and then on top of all those

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is our material universe reality, the time space dimension where

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we have our physical existence.

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Speaker 1: And this absolute energy. Feel this base layer isn't just

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in one place, or is it everywhere?

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Speaker 2: According to the report, because the absolute is conscious energy,

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and it exists in this state of infinity, it is

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inherently without boundaries. Therefore, it actually occupies every dimension, to

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include the time space dimension where we exist right now.

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Speaker 1: So it's everywhere, all the time, the fundamental background noise,

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the substratum of all reality.

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Speaker 2: That's the idea. But because of our brain's filtering mechanism,

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we simply cannot perceive it in our normal state of consciousness.

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We're not tuned to its frequency, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: You know. So this description of the absolute, this infinite

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conscious energy field at rest, the source of everything everywhere,

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but unperceived, it sounds remarkably like concepts of God or

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a universal source or the ground of being that you

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find in so many different spiritual and mystical traditions around

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the world.

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Speaker 2: Colonel McDonald makes that connection very very explicitly. He actually

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poses the question in the report, who created this ABSOLUTEI pretool,

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who created the source of everything? And his answer, written

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right there in the US Military intelligence report is startling.

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He says, you did.

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 2: We did, meaning all of us collectively humanity or perhaps

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all consciousness.

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Speaker 1: We created the fundamental ground of reality.

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Speaker 2: That's the report's really radical claim. It describes individual consciousness

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as being sort of born out of this Absolute, emerging

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into individual existence. Within this reality. We live, our lives,

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have experiences, learn, and then upon physical death, our consciousness

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returns to the Absolute. He calls the absolute the collective consciousness.

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Speaker 1: So we are like individual waves temporarily forming on the

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surface of this vast ocean of collective energy, the Absolute.

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty good analogy for the model presented. Yes,

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and the report makes another fascinating claim that our individual identity,

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our sense of self and memories, is somehow retained within

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this collective consciousness after we return, which could be interpreted

655
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as a kind of immortality, not as a separate soul,

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but as part of the source energy.

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Speaker 1: Wow, and this collective consciousness the Absolute. This is what

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McDonald directly connects to traditional ideas of God or the divine.

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Speaker 2: He does He describes it as an emanation of an

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omnipotent and omniscient divinity, but a divinity who is completely

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unknowable in his primary state of being. So the Absolute,

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in its pure, resting, infinite state, is the unknoble Godhead.

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Maybe and our reality, our individual consciousness are like emanations

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or projections from it, and.

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Speaker 1: He tries to back this up by drawing parallels to

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different religions and mystical paths in the report itself.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, he goes out of his way to who explicitly

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reference concepts from Hebrew mystical philosophy, Kabbalah, perhaps the Christian

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concept of the trinity, and he finds strong echoes in

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Eastern religions. He quotes from Tibetan Buddhist teachings, mentions ancient

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Hindu texts like the Rapanashads.

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Speaker 1: Why does he do that?

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Speaker 2: He seems to use these widespread parallels across very different

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cultures and belief systems as evidence evidence that this core

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idea of a fundamental, all encompassing source, whether you call

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the absolute or the universal hologram, is a kind of

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perennial truth that has been intuitively grasped by mystics and

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sages throughout human history.

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Speaker 1: So the Gateway process is presented as a modern way

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to access the same reality those ancient traditions pointed towards.

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Speaker 2: That seems to be the implication. Now, how does this absolute,

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this conscious energy field at rest become self aware if

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it's just sit in there doing nothing the report starts

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to get into that very question just before.

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Speaker 1: Before the infamous missing page twenty five exactly yea.

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Speaker 2: The report poses the question how does the absolute achieve

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self consciousness? And it answers itself, saying, the consciousness of

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the absolute must project a hologram of itself and then

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perceive it. This creates, it says, an eternal thought or

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concept it self, which results from this self consciousness serves.

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Speaker 1: The we, serves the wet. And that's literally where it

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cuts off at the bottom of page twenty four. In

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the original version of the report that was publicly available

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for years, the next page anyone had was page twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Exactly just stop mid sentence. This created a huge mystery, obviously,

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It fueled years and years of speculation online and elsewhere.

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People filed Freedom of Information Act requests, signed petitions trying

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to get page twenty five from the CIA, but the

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agency consistently maintained they didn't have it, or couldn't find it,

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or couldn't release it.

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Speaker 1: It led to all sorts of wild theories, didn't it

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about what explosive secret could possibly be on that single page,

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especially cutting off right when it's talking about the absolutes

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self consciousness in its purpose, people imagined military secrets, alien contact,

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proof of God.

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Speaker 2: The mystery really lingered for decades until quite recently. Actually,

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in twenty twenty one, the website Vice published a big

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article about the Gateway Document, and it really highlighted the

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ongoing controversy around missing page twenty.

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Speaker 1: Five, and that got attention, it did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And shortly after that article came out and generated buzz,

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the Monroe Institute itself, the place where the training originated,

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they released a complete uncensored report online, including the long

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lost page twenty five.

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Speaker 1: They had it all along. Wow, So, after all that

716
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build up, all the speculation, what was on page twenty five?

717
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Was it some earth shattering military secret, a terrifying revelation

718
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about the non friendly entities?

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Speaker 2: So you can go read it yourself now it's out there.

720
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But the content of page twenty five turned out to be, well,

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maybe less explosive in a secret weapon kind of way

722
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than some people hoped, but arguably profoundly significant in a

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completely different way. Okay, tell me, Colonel McDonald essentially stays

724
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in page twenty five that regardless of a person's specific

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religious beliefs or cultural background, the Gateway Process can be

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seen as a valuable tool. In fact, he calls it

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potentially the most valuable tool ever designed to help a

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person truly understand themselves and maybe more importantly, understand the

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fundamental nature of the universe itself.

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Speaker 1: So he presents it as a tool for profound personal

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and cosmic understanding, transcending specific dogmas.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and he explicitly claims that while ancient mystics and

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sages seem to grasp this underlying truth intuitively through meditation

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or other means, the Gateway Process provides a practical, accessible

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method that, in his view, scientifically confirms these ancient insights.

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Speaker 1: That fits perfectly with all those earlier references he made

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to different religious traditions finding similar ideas.

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Speaker 2: It ties it all together, and perhaps the most impactful

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part of page twenty five, the core message is what

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it says about this collective consciousness, the absolute. It states

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that every single person on Earth is fundamentally part of

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this one collective consciousness.

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Speaker 1: We're all connected, yes, and.

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Speaker 2: That we were all played here in this physical reality

745
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for the same underlying purpose, which is to accumulate experiences,

746
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to learn from one an other, and ultimately take that

747
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knowledge back to the energy for which we.

748
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Speaker 1: All came, gather experiences and knowledge, learn from each other,

749
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and bring it back to the source. That's actually a

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really powerful and unifying idea, and.

751
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Speaker 2: The report goes on to claim that becoming truly aware

752
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of this universal hologram and our place within the collective

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consciousness could potentially free ourselves from the prison of our

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individual lives. It could allow us to finally realize that

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at our most basic level, we're all the same, We

756
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are all one.

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Speaker 1: A message of universal unity overcoming individual isolation and prejudice

758
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found on the missing page of a US military intelligence

759
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report focused on potential psychic warfare. The irony is just staggering,

760
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it truly is.

761
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Speaker 2: And the fact that this specific page the one containing

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this message of collective consciousness, shared purpose, unity and freedom

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from the prison of our individual lives, the fact that

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this was the page missing from the CIA's publicly available

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file for almost.

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Speaker 1: Forty years, it feels deeply significant. Whether it was an

767
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intentional emission or just a bureaucratic screw up, it looks

768
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really suspicious, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: McDonald himself interestingly on page twenty six, when the previously

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available document picked up again, he immediately pivots right back

771
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to the practical military applications, almost like snapping back to attention,

772
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remembering the official purpose of his report back to business. Yeah,

773
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but reading page twenty five, it's really hard not to

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feel that his own exploration of these ideas led him

775
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to insights that went far, far beyond simple intelligence gathering.

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And as the source material, we looked at notes regarding

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the missing page itself, whether its absence was accidental or deliberate,

778
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it looks bad either way, given the profound, unifying nature

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of its content.

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Speaker 1: It certainly raises a lot of questions about priorities. Maybe,

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but McDonald does, as you said, get back to the

782
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task at hand. Eventually, how the army should actually use

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this gateway process he does.

784
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Speaker 2: He recommends a clear, multi phased approach for military personnel

785
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:06,519
wanting to utilize this first phase use the hemi sync

786
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:09,920
tapes the audio recordings to learn how to reliably synchronize

787
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their brain hemispheres and enter the required altered states of consciousness.

788
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Speaker 1: Master the basic technique.

789
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Speaker 2: Right second phase, practice diligently until they can induce these

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states at will without needing the external sound stimulus anymore.

791
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Develop internal control and finally the third phase, once that

792
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mastery is achieved, utilize the out of body experience capability

793
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specifically for remote viewing for practical intelligence collection, and he.

794
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Speaker 1: Even includes steps for trying to verify the information gathered

795
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via remote viewing, right acknowledging the need for some kind

796
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of objective corroboration.

797
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Speaker 2: Yes, he has methodological considerations for verification, which is important

798
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from an intelligence perspective, and notably, alongside all this technical training,

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McDonald also encourages the trainees to pursue self knowledge actively,

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to work on removing any personal prejudices or biases they

801
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might hold, because he believed those could block their progress

802
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in accessing these deeper states.

803
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Speaker 1: So personal, psychological, and maybe even spiritual development were seen

804
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as necessary components for mastering the technique effectively. It wasn't

805
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just mechanics.

806
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Speaker 2: That's strongly implied that self awareness and clearing out mental

807
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clutter were crucial.

808
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Speaker 1: So the immediate practical application they were aiming for was

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remote viewing intelligence gathering. But the ultimate, most ambitious goal

810
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for the military, according to the report, was that patterning.

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Speaker 2: Technique, yes, moving beyond observation to influence learning to use

812
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these focused states of consciousness to actively adjust reality for

813
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what he vaguely terms practical applications.

814
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Speaker 1: And that capability, the power to adjust reality. That's where

815
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,679
the conversation about trust and control becomes absolutely unaffordable.

816
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Speaker 2: Isn't it completely? The source material points is that, well,

817
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Colonel MacDonald himself reading the report, he comes across as

818
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seemingly trustworthy, genuinely curious, trying to apply scientific rigor. But

819
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,039
the sheer potential power implied by a military organization or

820
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any government entity having the ability to pattern or adjust reality.

821
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Speaker 1: That immediately triggers alarm bells major concerns about misuse, control, manipulation.

822
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Speaker 2: Was this stark tension throughout the discussion. Isn't there between

823
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,599
the potential for individual enlightenment, profound cosmic understanding, the unity

824
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:26,519
message of page twenty five, and the potential for unprecedented

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power and control falling into the hands of institutions that

826
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are often built around conflict, secrecy, and hierarchy.

827
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Speaker 1: The source material even floats this kind of optimistic, hopeful idea,

828
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What if as soldiers actually engage in this process, as

829
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,360
they potentially experience that unity of the collective consciousness described

830
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,960
on page twenty five, maybe they'd naturally move away from conflict.

831
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Maybe they'd realize the futility of war.

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Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thought, right. It perfectly reflects the hopeful

833
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,440
message of unity embedded in report itself, as the source

834
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also realistically notes, optimists, especially when it comes to the

835
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,760
practical applications of great power, are often disappointed by how

836
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things play out in the real world.

837
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the potential for this kind of capability, if it's real,

838
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to be used for manipulative or harmful purposes, is a

839
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,199
very serious, sobering consideration. You can't ignore that possibility.

840
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Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

841
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Speaker 1: Okay. So, if the Gameway process is supposedly something anyone

842
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can do even today, and it promises these truly extraordinary

843
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:31,000
capabilities altering consciousness, exploring dimensions, maybe even influencing reality, what

844
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:33,639
are the downsides? What are the potential negative outcomes? Are

845
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:37,119
there real risks involved in deliberately trying to turn off

846
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:39,760
that brain filter or operating in these altered states?

847
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Speaker 2: The report itself and certainly others who have explored these

848
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:46,599
kinds of states through various means, acknowledged that, yes, there

849
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:51,639
are significant potential risks, although it's often emphasized that serious

850
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,480
negative outcomes are rare compared to the positive ones.

851
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: What are the positives people report?

852
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: Many students or practitioners report profoundly positive life changes, things

853
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,079
like drastically improved well being, a much greater sense of

854
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:08,559
self awareness, enhanced creativity, feeling more clarity and focus in

855
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:11,599
their everyday lives. Really transformative stuff for some people.

856
00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:15,199
Speaker 1: Okay, those sound great. What about the dark side? The risks?

857
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Speaker 2: The reported negative outcomes can be quite serious. They include

858
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:22,440
things like intense anxiety, bouts of depression, and, in very

859
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:26,400
rare instances, actual psychotic episodes psychosis.

860
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:29,519
Speaker 1: That's alarming. What's the underlying mechanism of risk here? What

861
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goes wrong?

862
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: The primary risk that gets highlighted is the potential for

863
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becoming psychologically detached from this reality. When you deliberately start

864
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altering your fundamental state of consciousness, your perception of the world,

865
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,920
there's a potential danger of becoming well, untethered and lost,

866
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,480
feeling disconnected, unable to find your way back to a

867
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:53,000
stable functional awareness within everyday life.

868
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: Like taking apart the engine of your reality perception and

869
00:45:56,559 --> 00:45:58,719
not being able to put it back together properly.

870
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:01,119
Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it. While the report

871
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:04,480
and proponents tend to emphasize that severe negative outcomes are

872
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:08,719
statistically rare. The potential for psychological detachment, for feeling a

873
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:13,079
drift is a real and serious risk associated with diving

874
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:17,559
into these very deep states, perhaps especially without proper guidance, integration,

875
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,119
or mental preparedness.

876
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,119
Speaker 1: It makes intuitive sense if the filter that normally keeps

877
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,719
you grounded and consensus reality is intentionally disrupted or removed,

878
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,760
it could be incredibly disorienting, maybe even psychologically destabilizing for

879
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,719
some individuals.

880
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's presenting a potentially very powerful key, but attempting

881
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,000
to unlock the fundamental nature of reality might come with inherent,

882
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,440
perhaps even proportional risks. It's not trivial.

883
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: So what about colonel McDonald himself. Where is he now?

884
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:47,920
The source mentioned he's retired.

885
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,159
Speaker 2: Yes, Lieutenant Colonel Wayne McDonald is reportedly now in his eighties,

886
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,400
long retired from the military, and as far as anyone

887
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:58,840
publicly knows, he hasn't published any further reports or really

888
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,800
discussed the Gateway process or these concepts extensively in public.

889
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,480
Since that original nineteen eighty three document was completed and classified.

890
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:07,920
He's been pretty quiet about it.

891
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,519
Speaker 1: It just leaves so many unanswered questions, doesn't it What

892
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:13,079
did he truly believe by the end of writing that report.

893
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,199
Did he continue his own personal exploration of the Gateway

894
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,480
process after leaving the military, What, if anything, did he

895
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:21,679
experience himself? Did he ever click out?

896
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: And given the report's profound claims about consciousness surviving death

897
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,760
and returning to the absolute, you absolutely have to wonder

898
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:33,960
about his perspective now later in life. Does he fear

899
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,280
death or is he perhaps looking forward with some kind

900
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,039
of anticipation. Did that potential return to the collective consciousness

901
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:42,679
he described so analytically.

902
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,159
Speaker 1: Does the knowledge or the beliefs contained in that report

903
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:49,760
give him a sense of peace or understanding, or maybe

904
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,199
even anxiety as he nears the end of his life

905
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:55,599
in this perceived reality. Gosh, it would be absolutely incredible

906
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:57,440
to have a conversation with him today, wouldn't it to

907
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,559
just hear his reflections after all these decades.

908
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: It really would be fascinating, because if the core claims

909
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,000
of the Gateway Report hold even a shred of truth,

910
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,119
then the implication is massive that consciousness is far more resilient,

911
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:12,639
maybe even infinite, compared to what mainstream science often assumes.

912
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,079
He doesn't just wink out of existence when the physical

913
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,480
body dies, but returns to the absolute, that fundamental source.

914
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,519
Speaker 1: Energy, which, as MacDonald himself pointed out with his references,

915
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,840
sounds remarkably similar to concepts of heaven, nirvana, or God

916
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,360
found in countless belief systems. Maybe not an old man

917
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,239
with a beard, but a common source, an all encompassing

918
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,400
energy field, the ground of being from which we emerge

919
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,000
and to which we eventually return.

920
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: It resonates very deeply with those ancient archetypal ideas, and

921
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:45,519
it really highlights this fascinating tension that exists for so

922
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:50,239
many people today, the perceived conflict between faith, which often

923
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,400
operates on belief and inner experience without needing external proof,

924
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:59,239
and science, which rigorously demands empirical, measurable, verifiable evidence.

925
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, people often I feel like they have to choose

926
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,159
one or the other. Right, you're either a person of

927
00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:06,119
faith who believes in spiritual realities and after life meaning,

928
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:10,000
or you're a rational scientific person who trusts only what

929
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:12,079
can be objectively measured and proven.

930
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 2: But the Gateway Report precisely because it attempts to use

931
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,840
the language and concepts of physics, biology, and engineering to

932
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,199
explain experiences typically considered mystical or spiritual. It proposes something

933
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,960
incredibly thought provoking, doesn't it, Which is, what if science

934
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:30,519
in God understood not as dogma, but in this sense

935
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:35,119
of a universal source, an absolute energy field, the collective consciousness.

936
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:39,559
What if they're actually pointing towards the exact same fundamental reality.

937
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:42,599
It's using different languages, different tools, different modes of inquiry.

938
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: What if the objective structure of the universe that science

939
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:49,480
is painstakingly trying to uncover is the very same thing

940
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:54,239
that mystics and people of faith have experienced subjectively intuitively

941
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:55,440
for millennia.

942
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: That's the potential bridge. It suggests, yea a convergence rather

943
00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:01,559
than an inherent conflict kind of blurs the lines completely.

944
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:05,599
It implies that the deepest exploration of the universe, whether

945
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:09,039
you pursue it through external scientific methods like physics and cosmology,

946
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:12,960
or through internal conscious exploration like meditation or maybe even

947
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,599
the Gateway techniques, perhaps they ultimately lead to the same profound,

948
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,320
underlying truth about the nature of reality in our place

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within it.

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Speaker 1: So as we kind of wrap up this deep dive,

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then we've journeyed through this absolutely wild document, a genuine

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US military intelligence report from nineteen eighty three that seriously

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explored using consciousness as a tool to potentially transcend space, time,

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access other dimensions, and even suggested that reality itself is

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a kind of shared energy hologram created by a collective

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consciousness that we are all fundamentally part of.

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Speaker 2: It's a set of concepts that pushes the boundaries of

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conventional thinking right to their absolute limit and maybe beyond

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for many people. And yet the report tries rightly or

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wrongly to ground these seemingly mystical ideas and concepts borrowed

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from physics, energy fields, lography, brain weigh frequencies, resonance, even

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the plank distance. It presents it not as magic, but

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is a potentially unexplored frontier of human potential and the

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deep nature of reality.

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Speaker 1: And whether you ultimately view this report as just a

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fascinating historical artifact of Cold War era military exploring unconventional ideas,

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or is really far fet speculation based on maybe loose

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scientific analogies, or perhaps even as a genuine, if incomplete,

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glimpse into the true nature of existence. The questions it

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raises are undeniably profound and stick with you.

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Speaker 2: They really force you to reconsider some of your most

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basic assumptions about the world and yourself. If our consciousness is,

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as the report suggests, something more fundamental, maybe just a

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frequency within a vast universal energy field, how does that

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change the way you think about your own life, your

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connections to other people, or what might happen when this

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particular physical body ceases to function.

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Speaker 1: What if the key to understanding the deepest mysteries of

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the universe and maybe even ourselves isn't really out there

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in the distant cosmos or in giant particle colliders, but

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has actually been right here within us all along, waiting

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perhaps for us to simply learn how to tune in differently.

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That's definitely a thought that lingers long after you put

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down the Gateway Report.