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Speaker 2: I mean, I've I've heard a bit about this case.
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Speaker 2: Yes, we got like several announcements we're gonna drop here,
Speaker 2: so it might be a bit of a longer intro
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Speaker 2: You do that too, not nearly as much as you.
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Speaker 2: love them, love it. Did we unwrap everything we need
Speaker 2: to unwrap? Is that all of it?
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 1: I have one really exciting thing is that this podcast
Speaker 1: is gonna have some audio, like recorded audio from this mofoa,
Speaker 1: which is really cool.
Speaker 2: Some actual like recordings of the individual involved speaking.
Speaker 1: Which I don't think we've done before.
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Actually, look at me being an innovative.
Speaker 2: And innovative and fancy and dropping shit and breaking boundaries.
Speaker 2: I don't know where I'm going with this.
Speaker 1: Are we ready to roll?
Speaker 2: I'm ready. I've got a beer in hand, We've dropped
Speaker 2: our announcements. We're pumped up. Let's do this.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, ah, because this case is it's wild,
Speaker 1: it's wild. I should be drinking, but I have a tea.
Speaker 2: I'll drink for you.
Speaker 1: Cheers, thank you. Okay, So this is the David Parker
Speaker 1: Ray case aka the Toy box Killer Toy box Killer not.
Speaker 1: We already dropped that hint on instad we pull like
Speaker 1: guests right away. I was like, what the heck?
Speaker 2: Have we dropped a hint yet where it hasn't been guessed?
Speaker 1: Probably not.
Speaker 2: I think every time we drop a hint, it's been guessed.
Speaker 1: May their hints are too easy. We need to make
Speaker 1: him harder. We should yeah, challenge. Okay, So who is
Speaker 1: David Parker Ray?
Speaker 2: Let's hear it?
Speaker 1: He was born on November sixth, nineteen thirty nine, in Berlin,
Speaker 1: New Mexico.
Speaker 2: Well, he's an oldie moldy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He did not have the best of childhoods. His
Speaker 1: mom didn't want him. His dad was a violent alcoholic,
Speaker 1: so he lived with his grandfather, who believed in firm discipline.
Speaker 1: Who's a firm discipline.
Speaker 2: Old school style. I think I get that. I think
Speaker 2: so quick side note, if anyone hears any background, we
Speaker 2: do have renovations.
Speaker 1: Going on the Yeah, we have a contractor down there.
Speaker 2: So if you hear some grinding or something, he's cut
Speaker 2: and tile for about apologize.
Speaker 1: He would occasionally get visited by his father, and when
Speaker 1: he did, do you know what his father would bring him? Like,
Speaker 1: what is an idea of a gift that your father
Speaker 1: would bring you as like a child.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like my dad would once in a
Speaker 2: while come home from work and he'd have like some
Speaker 2: candy or something from like the gas station, like a
Speaker 2: slurpy or something. Yeah, something like that. But I do
Speaker 2: know what he brought him, because you're well, you're me.
Speaker 1: Tell you I know. Okay, this case was so heavy
Speaker 1: on me.
Speaker 2: Well, I just want to say, this is like a
Speaker 2: little boy's dream. Almost, no, almost almost dial it back,
Speaker 2: like forty five thousand notches and you have a little
Speaker 2: boy's dream.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know so this, Yeah, the case
Speaker 1: was like a little heavy. So I did like share
Speaker 1: some things with you through the week because I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to get this off my chest. Okay. So
Speaker 1: he would bring him magazines, say is sat is pornography magazines?
Speaker 2: See that's what I mean by dal back. Like if
Speaker 2: a dad just came home and.
Speaker 1: Hey, boy, I guess he was young.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. The age and the specific content of
Speaker 2: the magazines is.
Speaker 1: Definitely it was just a bit much because like so
Speaker 1: basically the magazines are showing sexual pleasure from inflicting pain, suffering,
Speaker 1: or humiliation onto others.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See that's fucked.
Speaker 1: That's not okay.
Speaker 2: See, if my dad came home was like here, Ben,
Speaker 2: here's a booby magazine, I'd be like, hey, But if
Speaker 2: my dad came home it's like here, Ben, here's someone
Speaker 2: getting tortured to death, then I'm going to get off
Speaker 2: on it. I'd be like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, excuse me, but that's just like a bit much,
Speaker 1: a touch, just a bit much. It's a bit much.
Speaker 2: It's a bit He attended a shirt that says.
Speaker 1: That it's a bit much. Yeah, and what the frig?
Speaker 2: And what the frig?
Speaker 1: He attended Mountainair High School in Mountainair, New Mexico, where
Speaker 1: he was bullied by his peers for his shyness around girls.
Speaker 1: You can only freaking wonder why the hell is shy
Speaker 1: around girls? No kidding, he had probably no idea what
Speaker 1: the hell like to do.
Speaker 2: I mean, just to be fair, I'm thirty three years
Speaker 2: old and still don't know what to tell them to
Speaker 2: do around girls and women. So I'm just like, I
Speaker 2: don't understand you.
Speaker 1: Well, because girls they're kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: There's a lot to us you complicated. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that in a bad way.
Speaker 1: Spaghetti is delicious, Well yeah, because what's the analogy? Like,
Speaker 1: boys are like a waffle. At any moment in time,
Speaker 1: they're in one square or what box. Women are like spaghetti,
Speaker 1: and it's like just shit intertwined all over the front.
Speaker 2: Each each noodle is a thought connecting to another one,
Speaker 2: touching other ones and goes all over the place.
Speaker 1: And it all makes sense. Though.
Speaker 2: I love waffles, I love spaghetti, but they are both
Speaker 2: very very different.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Okay, so at this time he was
Speaker 1: also developing fantasies of raping, torturing, and even murdering women.
Speaker 1: After completing high school, he enlisted in the US Army,
Speaker 1: receiving honorable discharge at the end of his term, where
Speaker 1: his service also included work as a general mechanic. David
Speaker 1: was divorced four times. Wow, only this dude got like
Speaker 1: with that many chicks. But anyway, and had two children,
Speaker 1: one being Jesse Ray, who you may hear more about later.
Speaker 2: Okay, dot that divorce thing though, Like there's there's some
Speaker 2: people who just have like bad luck with that sort
Speaker 2: of thing. So, I mean, I'm not going to knock
Speaker 2: anyone for being divorced that many times.
Speaker 1: No, but he's like a nasty motherfucker. So how did
Speaker 1: he get get married four times?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's true, it's fine to be divorced, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not against that, but it's like, it's just if
Speaker 1: you're gross, Like how did he even get for.
Speaker 2: Being divorced that many times? You just got to like
Speaker 2: I'm curious on what his lifestyle was. It sounds like
Speaker 2: he's very notnicily active sexually, but just active like he's
Speaker 2: going through that many people, It's like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: is he doing?
Speaker 1: Well, they probably like I think he's a charmer, so
Speaker 1: he probably charms them. Then they get married and they
Speaker 1: realize like that.
Speaker 2: He's fucked up.
Speaker 1: Nasty you nasty?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another T shirt coming up from which Lincoln,
Speaker 2: You're nasty?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's so much.
Speaker 2: All your saying is going to be turned into T
Speaker 2: shirts INtime.
Speaker 1: Your nasty, your nasty, moful. Okay. So it's believed David
Speaker 1: started his killing spree sometime in the mid nineteen fifties. Okay,
Speaker 1: And with that, With that, I'm going to dive right
Speaker 1: in here.
Speaker 2: Let's dive right in.
Speaker 1: We'll hear victims stories shortly, but I'm starting off with
Speaker 1: who was David ray Parker? Like why was he? Well,
Speaker 1: we already went who but why was he nicknamed the
Speaker 1: toy Box Killer? Do you want to know?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Do you really?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Deep breath, David had soundproofd a truck trailer outside his home,
Speaker 1: which he called his toy box or Satan's Den, and
Speaker 1: it was qu equipped like I mean, equipped with items used,
Speaker 1: items used for sexual torture.
Speaker 2: He probably made sure that was equipped because he isn't
Speaker 2: very equipped was I would assume you didn't, So just
Speaker 2: thank you for the clarification. That's nasty.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say nasty so many times because this
Speaker 1: like it's just like I'm almost like shaky, because this
Speaker 1: guy is like so disgusting that I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: almost going to have trouble presenting this.
Speaker 2: Well, we had trouble, and I'm glad that I.
Speaker 1: Have the recordings now because if I had to like
Speaker 1: tell what.
Speaker 2: It was, he was saying, like, I feel that because
Speaker 2: we had trouble on forty four days of health for
Speaker 2: the same thing. Like it's like when we're talking the story,
Speaker 2: we even know this story, but even to just say
Speaker 2: it out loud.
Speaker 1: It's different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's shock value that that hits our system.
Speaker 1: Can find a story that's kind maybe for my next.
Speaker 2: A nice murder, you know, a kind murder, maybe with unicorns,
Speaker 2: like a fluffy murder. Yeah, you know, something that was
Speaker 2: maybe someone was massaged in a massage therapy clinic. Yeah, quietly, calmly.
Speaker 1: And then boom dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a bullet to the head. You know, they
Speaker 2: didn't feel a thing, something like that, cut and.
Speaker 1: Dry, Okay, so the trailer and the contents inside it
Speaker 1: allegedly cost to have it around a hundred thousand dollars. Like,
Speaker 1: can you just think of the other shit that you
Speaker 1: could buy with a hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: Dollars, I'd buy a lot of booze, like.
Speaker 1: Way better shit, or like travel or just whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He would kidnap between five and six girls each year,
Speaker 1: holding them captive for up to three months, dubbing them
Speaker 1: his sex slaves, and on occasion he would have more
Speaker 1: than one captive at a time as he liked variety.
Speaker 1: It was the spice of life.
Speaker 2: Wow, what a douche can I just made everyone?
Speaker 1: Now they're every going to talk about the spice of
Speaker 1: life feel dirty?
Speaker 2: No kidding?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 2: Wow? Like glitter spice of life? No no, no, you
Speaker 2: know yeah that's actually kraft herpees. I shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So during the period of time his sex
Speaker 1: slaves were held, he would sexually abuse them. And then
Speaker 1: that's honestly like putting it lightly, Like it's really putting
Speaker 1: it lightly. I would go into more detail, and I
Speaker 1: do apologize for that.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. Buckle up, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: David's toy box contained a custom built gynecology type table
Speaker 1: in the middle with electroids that it minister electric shocks,
Speaker 1: and a mirror mounted to the ceiling. He wanted his
Speaker 1: victims to be able to see everything he was doing
Speaker 1: to them. What that's just the start. Littering the floor
Speaker 1: and walls were whips, chains, pulleys, straps, clamps, legs, spreader bars,
Speaker 1: surgical blades, and saws, as well as numerous sex toys.
Speaker 1: A lot of the devices were things he put together
Speaker 1: or made himself, such as a modified drill with sexual
Speaker 1: devices attached them, like dildos because he was mechanically inclined, right.
Speaker 1: There was also a dildo he made from a PVC pipe.
Speaker 1: This PVC pipe was eight inches long, and I know
Speaker 1: this because he had each inch labeled. That was one
Speaker 1: of his things. He wanted to basically know and learn
Speaker 1: like every inch of your fucking body and what you
Speaker 1: could handle. Wow, But that's not the worst of that
Speaker 1: pipe because at the base of that he had nails
Speaker 1: melted in the plastic to be used as spikes that
Speaker 1: would just like rip your inner thighs to threads and
Speaker 1: stab you as he was entering your body.
Speaker 2: That is so fucked up. Yeah, however, I do got
Speaker 2: to give him, give him creativity points. Though he's trash,
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, Like fuck this guy on every
Speaker 2: different level, freaking disgusting, But I am slightly impressed with
Speaker 2: his ingenuity, you know what I mean, Like his.
Speaker 1: D I d I Y what is that di y?
Speaker 2: Sex toys, Like his ability to create these things, and
Speaker 2: his thought process in behind it.
Speaker 1: Well, because his whole thing was like he could only
Speaker 1: get off. I might to say this later if he's
Speaker 1: inflicting pain on others, Yeah, see.
Speaker 2: That's weird and just wrong and fucked and.
Speaker 1: Set him up for this, I think probably, like really.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine being in that room and the mirror
Speaker 2: on the ceiling literally seeing every uh I'm painting a picture,
Speaker 2: and oh yeah.
Speaker 1: We might tell a picture. I will post pictures. I
Speaker 1: would go in that room like okay, after the facts.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was nasty after.
Speaker 1: Okay, gross, gross. That came out so wrong. I mean,
Speaker 1: after he was caught just to like look around and
Speaker 1: see what the fuck because like I loved, like just
Speaker 1: people's brains.
Speaker 2: What kind of kinks are you hiding?
Speaker 1: I'm not hiding anything, And that came out so wrong.
Speaker 1: But it's just like to go into like a crime
Speaker 1: scene after the fact, I think would be kind of interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, like I think I should have been a detected.
Speaker 2: I mean, any crime scene after the fact. I think
Speaker 2: going into this one it would be over fucking welling.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, guaranteed, like guaranteed.
Speaker 2: And when when was was this year that he was active?
Speaker 2: Story again?
Speaker 1: Well, he started in like the nineteen fifties, So one.
Speaker 2: Hundred thousand dollars to equip this trailer out in the
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't actually know if it was like
Speaker 1: the equivalent to hundred gees. Is that hundreges? Is that
Speaker 1: how you could say that?
Speaker 2: Yeah now?
Speaker 1: Or if that was then, I honestly don't know that.
Speaker 1: They just said it was like value to that. It
Speaker 1: could have been he was like cap surd later on,
Speaker 1: so it could have been at that time that they
Speaker 1: were assessing the value. I don't know. That's one thing
Speaker 1: I don't know, gotcha. So the walls had diagrams showing
Speaker 1: different methods and techniques for inflicting pain.
Speaker 2: Holy fuck, this guy's thorough.
Speaker 1: There was also a wooden contraption used to bend over
Speaker 1: and immobilize his victims. He would use this to allow
Speaker 1: his dogs and sometimes friends to rape his victims.
Speaker 2: What the fuck.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into like a lot of
Speaker 1: detail regarding the dogs because like I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys noticed the sorry, but like I'm a huge
Speaker 1: animal lover. But I'll just say like breeding musk was involved,
Speaker 1: and he had a German shepherd.
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, That's what I was wondering. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: how the fuck is he gonna enable that? But the
Speaker 2: breeding musk? Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so you can like you can be yeah yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just not even going to moving on, moving on.
Speaker 1: Moving on. David sexually tortured, terrorized, and presumably killed many
Speaker 1: of his victims with these tools for like forty plus
Speaker 1: years while living in New Mexico.
Speaker 2: Whoa wait, forty plus years hotly, shit.
Speaker 1: Like a long ass time with the help of accomplishes
Speaker 1: or accomplished accomplishes. I like read so fast that I'm
Speaker 1: just like because like I guess, skid so into it.
Speaker 1: I also shit at pronouncing words too. Hey, you and
Speaker 1: me both were in it together, like.
Speaker 2: I said, we just dove into this, just like not
Speaker 2: knowing what we're doing. So here we are guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, So some of whom are alleged to have been
Speaker 1: several of the women he dated, including his last known girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if it's like a girlfriend or a wife,
Speaker 1: because like, they weren't together very long. But then some
Speaker 1: things would refer to his girlfriend and some like I
Speaker 1: think he might have just called her a wife, but
Speaker 1: I don't think they're married. And her name is.
Speaker 2: Cindy Hendy, Cindy Hindy, Cindy Hindy, Cindy Hindy.
Speaker 1: Like that's quite a name, but I think her actual
Speaker 1: real name is Cynthia.
Speaker 2: I think he hated her.
Speaker 1: And she was a willing participant. And his daughter Jesse Ray.
Speaker 2: You said his name already, So.
Speaker 1: His accomplishes, am I saying that wrong? Still accomplice accomplishes, accomplice,
Speaker 1: accomplishes accomplice.
Speaker 2: You're saying accomplishes accomplishment.
Speaker 1: So their jobs. I'm just moving on. We're basically to
Speaker 1: his partners. Yeah, yeah, you'll never hear me say the
Speaker 1: word again. Basically bring him or help him attract women.
Speaker 2: Ah, those fucks.
Speaker 1: This is the thing because I think like being a
Speaker 1: woman like your spidey sense would go down like if
Speaker 1: another woman was.
Speaker 2: Involved, you know, I mean go down.
Speaker 1: Like say if like you were like being picked up
Speaker 1: or like out of bar and like and like you're
Speaker 1: you just wouldn't be as on edge if it was
Speaker 1: like another chick with the dude or like another chick
Speaker 1: saying like come over to my house or whatever.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Your spidy sense wouldn't be tingling because there's another
Speaker 2: female around it like it just I think you would
Speaker 2: just makes him feel more comfortable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like I don't think you'd think that another
Speaker 1: chick would like say yeah for the shit, right, Well one.
Speaker 2: Would hope, but clearly.
Speaker 1: Clearly you just can't trust freaking anyone nowadays, like just
Speaker 1: don't like just don't people suck. David's type was young,
Speaker 1: clean and well built females. The younger the better, basically
Speaker 1: like the tighter the better. Ah this so if and
Speaker 1: this is something like I don't even have in there,
Speaker 1: but like if you couldn't find like young, then lots
Speaker 1: of times he would go they would go to like
Speaker 1: onto lesbians.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, but that theory doesn't necessarily doesn't necessarily but
Speaker 2: because there's toys.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, this guy's this guy's stupid.
Speaker 2: He's stupid.
Speaker 1: So before torturing yeah, we hate him. Before torturing his victims,
Speaker 1: David would play an audio tape telling his victims exactly
Speaker 1: what he was going to do to them and what
Speaker 1: they would have to endure, like in detail. So this
Speaker 1: is the start of what would be played. I'm going
Speaker 1: to like the very beginning of it. If you want
Speaker 1: to listen, like, I'll have a few other clips and stuff,
Speaker 1: and if you want to listen to more, you can
Speaker 1: google it. But it's like close to an hour of
Speaker 1: your life that you'll just like never get back and.
Speaker 2: You'll probably regret listening to.
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, I was doing chores while I was listening
Speaker 1: to this because I had to be distracted, Like, I
Speaker 1: listened to the whole thing. I'm not exactly sure if
Speaker 1: that was a good idea, but I did.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: This is the first This is basically the very beginning
Speaker 1: of his nasty motherfuckerself.
Speaker 2: Motherfucker itself.
Speaker 3: Hello there, bitch, Are you comfortable right now? I doubt it.
Speaker 3: Wrists and ankles, chained, gagged, probably blindfolded. You are disoriented
Speaker 3: and scared too, I would imagine perfectly normal under the
Speaker 3: circumstances for a little while. At least, you need to
Speaker 3: get your shit together and listen to the state. It
Speaker 3: is very relevant to your situation. I'm going to tell
Speaker 3: you in detail why you have been kidnapped, what's going
Speaker 3: to happen to you, and how long you'll be here.
Speaker 3: I don't know the details of your capture because this
Speaker 3: stape is being created. Twenty third nineteen ninety three is
Speaker 3: a general advisory tape for future female captives. The information
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you is based on my experience
Speaker 3: dealing with captives over a period of several years. If
Speaker 3: at a future date there are any major changes in
Speaker 3: our procedures, the tape will be upgraded. Now you're obviously
Speaker 3: here against your will, totally helpless, don't know where you're at,
Speaker 3: don't know what's going to happen to you. You're very
Speaker 3: scared or very pissed off. I'm sure that you've already
Speaker 3: tried to get your wrists and ankles loose. No, you can't.
Speaker 3: Now you're just waiting to see what's gonna happen next.
Speaker 3: You probably think you're gonna be raped, and you're fucking
Speaker 3: sure right about that. Our primary interest is in what
Speaker 3: you've got between your legs. You'll be raped thoroughly and
Speaker 3: repeatedly and every hole you've got because basically you've been
Speaker 3: snatched and brought here for us to train and used
Speaker 3: as a sex Sleeve's son kind of far out, I
Speaker 3: suppose it is to the uninitiated, but we do it
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 2: What the fuck deep breasts say?
Speaker 1: After that?
Speaker 2: This dude knows what he's fucking doing too. There's so
Speaker 2: much psychological shit going on now, Like he's smart, he's
Speaker 2: he's intelligent, he's a fucking asshole, jack tard, every name
Speaker 2: I can think of under the sun. But he is
Speaker 2: playing so many mind games in that he's telling you
Speaker 2: exactly what you're feeling. He's telling you exactly what you've done,
Speaker 2: giving him control over you all ready before anything else
Speaker 2: even happens, Like saying you've already tried to get your
Speaker 2: hands and your feet loose. You can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like calm, yeah, no, like expression really and
Speaker 1: it's just oh like it's just like gross.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine being in that fucking room hearing that
Speaker 2: audio and this goes on for an hour.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like it's about like fifty minutes or so
Speaker 1: because and that's literally like two minutes and like yeah,
Speaker 1: he waits like because you're probably like unconscious or whatever,
Speaker 1: and he waits for you to like cone and yeah.
Speaker 2: Fuck this guy, Yeah, like holy shit, our primary interest
Speaker 2: is what you have between your legs. Fuck, my primary
Speaker 2: interest is his fucking brain being cream cheese on a
Speaker 2: fucking curb side. Yeah, fuck him.
Speaker 1: And like he also goes into I don't have that
Speaker 1: recorded or like a clip for it, but at after
Speaker 1: that's done, I think, like you're you have to do
Speaker 1: a questionnaire a questionnaire that he has, and you're literally
Speaker 1: like strapped to this table buck ass naked because he's
Speaker 1: like this is the process of like where he's getting
Speaker 1: to know your body and like he'll ask you questions
Speaker 1: about like if you've had a kid or like when
Speaker 1: your next period is and all the shit, Like it's
Speaker 1: like thorough.
Speaker 2: And what happens if they don't answer.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's going to Okay, Well, he has those
Speaker 1: electrode things, yeah, hip hooked to their nipples so he'll
Speaker 1: di zapt you wow, like wow, hey, Like I mean
Speaker 1: like I'm almost like so uncomfortable presenting this case. Like
Speaker 1: I was excited but it's also like terrified. They're just
Speaker 1: so like, ah, okay, so at a few other things
Speaker 1: we do another phone, another recording, but it was also
Speaker 1: so this is one thing. It was also explained that
Speaker 1: they would only refer to him as master and the
Speaker 1: woman as mistress, and to only speak unless spoken to first,
Speaker 1: So like say if you had a kid, or you'd
Speaker 1: be like, have you ever had a kid? Then you
Speaker 1: have to be like yes, Master, no Master, and like
Speaker 1: if you forget to say that master word, like the
Speaker 1: un you're fucked.
Speaker 2: Like you have to hauck off this guy. Wow, what
Speaker 2: an ass hat. I hate him.
Speaker 1: So the tape would go on to explain, Oh, you
Speaker 1: have something else to say to you.
Speaker 2: If he doesn't get like, I don't know what he deserves,
Speaker 2: but if he doesn't get what he deserves at the
Speaker 2: end of this podcast, I'm gonna be angry.
Speaker 1: He deserves to basically like be in that room tortured
Speaker 1: by like everyone he tortured. Yes, I agree, I think
Speaker 1: I think that would be the only thing that like
Speaker 1: would make this And I'm not saying that wouldn't even
Speaker 1: make it better.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking one at a time, all of them
Speaker 2: at the.
Speaker 1: Same time, yep, doing everything they want.
Speaker 2: Not playing a tape that they made. They're gonna play
Speaker 2: his own tape for him too, Yeah, and let him
Speaker 2: listen to his own fucking tape for an hour. They're
Speaker 2: going to fucking bend him over in that little wooden
Speaker 2: thing and put his own dog musk on his asshole.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's what's gonna fucking happen.
Speaker 1: Ohly, Okay. So the tape would go on to explain
Speaker 1: exactly how they would be raped and tortured like in detail.
Speaker 1: After he was finished with them, or has, as he
Speaker 1: would say, gets tired of them, he would either kill
Speaker 1: them or drug them with like a concoction in an
Speaker 1: attempt to erase their memories before abandoning them on the
Speaker 1: side of the road. And so here's another recording that
Speaker 1: kind of explains that, so that I don't have to
Speaker 1: say it now.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that you're a great little piece of ass,
Speaker 3: and you're going to be a lot of fun to
Speaker 3: play with, but I will get tired of you eventually.
Speaker 3: If I killed every bitch that we kidnapped, there'd be
Speaker 3: bodies strung all over the country. And besides, I don't
Speaker 3: like killing a girl. Unless it is absolutely necessary. So
Speaker 3: I've devised a safe alternate method of disposal. I had
Speaker 3: plenty of bitches to practice on over the years, so
Speaker 3: I've pretty well got it down pat and I enjoy
Speaker 3: doing it. I get off on mind games after we
Speaker 3: get completely through with you. You're going to be drugged up
Speaker 3: real heavy with a combination of sodium pentathol and phenobarbitol.
Speaker 3: There are both hypnotic drugs that will make you extremely
Speaker 3: susceptible to hypnosis, auto hypnosis and hypnotic suggestion. You're going
Speaker 3: to be kept drugged a couple days while I play
Speaker 3: with your mind. By the time I get through brainwashing you,
Speaker 3: you're not going to remember a fucking thing about this
Speaker 3: little adventure. You won't remember this place, us, or what
Speaker 3: has happened to you. There won't be any DNA evidence
Speaker 3: because you'll be bathed and both holes between your legs
Speaker 3: will be thoroughly flushed out. He'll be dressed, sedated, and
Speaker 3: turn loose on some country road, bruised store all over,
Speaker 3: but nothing that won't heal up in a week or two.
Speaker 3: The thought of being brainwashed may not be appealing to you,
Speaker 3: but we've been doing it a long time, and it works,
Speaker 3: and it's the lesser of two evils. I'm sure that
Speaker 3: you would prefer that in lieu of being strangled, they're
Speaker 3: having your throat cut.
Speaker 1: Okay, how was that for you?
Speaker 2: Well, there's the theory on him liking mind games. He
Speaker 2: just said he it's off on mind games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, he likes playing with your mind. And
Speaker 1: like he says that he doesn't like to kill bitches,
Speaker 1: but like he's also practiced, and so you can only
Speaker 1: like I can just only imagine like how many people
Speaker 1: like he's actually killed.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah for sure, But you know what I he's
Speaker 2: being as far as I can tell. I mean, who
Speaker 2: fucking knows he likes playing mind games. He's been pretty
Speaker 2: fucking honest in these tapes. He's saying it like it
Speaker 2: is though he is playing mind games, being he's suggesting
Speaker 2: to them and this sort of stuff. But he is
Speaker 2: being honest. So I kind of believe when he says
Speaker 2: he doesn't like to kill, he'll do it if necessary.
Speaker 1: He's also been experimenting to get this like perfect combination
Speaker 1: of drugs and stuff, so I imagine and because like
Speaker 1: experimenting like with those drugs is not like a safe situation.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so there's I.
Speaker 1: Imagine there's been tons of people that have you know,
Speaker 1: fell through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the thing. He's probably experiment hing with
Speaker 2: the drugs, keeping them to see if it works, and
Speaker 2: then it doesn't work, then he's like, fuck, okay, kill her,
Speaker 2: get rid of her. Yeah, but now he's got to
Speaker 2: dialed in. He's like, I don't have to kill him
Speaker 2: anymore because that was just like a way of disposing him.
Speaker 2: I can dispose him another way where a body won't
Speaker 2: be found and they just don't remember, and it's a
Speaker 2: better way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is a crazy, fucked up It's so crazy
Speaker 1: because like my armpits are sweating, it's so crazy.
Speaker 2: That's just me on a normal basis. But like hypnosis,
Speaker 2: I'm really surprised that they can do that with the
Speaker 2: drugs because hypnosis even said it there, it's suggestion. It's
Speaker 2: a power of suggestion. That's what hypnosis is. It's you
Speaker 2: can't hypnotize someone to do something unless they would normally
Speaker 2: be willing to do it. Yeah, that's why you don't.
Speaker 1: Drugs are like allowing you to get to that state, yes,
Speaker 1: where it's then easy for him to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like he just he just has the snail.
Speaker 2: It's weird the amount of times he would have had
Speaker 2: to try and error this as me terrified.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, totally okay with that wondering did David ever
Speaker 1: get caught?
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, are you wondering? I'm not wondering, I know,
Speaker 2: but I'm wondering what the fuck happens?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, that brings us to our Badass of the Day.
Speaker 1: You know, we like badass, and bad ass is the day.
Speaker 2: We need like a like an audio to play like
Speaker 2: Badass of the Day explosions and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: So this is a bit confusing because it's not his
Speaker 1: lady friend. This is Cynthia Vigil. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: like go by his lady friend as Sydney, and then
Speaker 1: this is like a victim Cynthia, Okay, David's last victim
Speaker 1: and the one who would lead to his capture. Good, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we like her. Cynthia's story has started with David posing
Speaker 1: as an undercover police officer and approaching Cynthia in a
Speaker 1: parking lot, telling her that she was under arrests for
Speaker 1: prostitution and handcuffing her like she was at she prostitutes,
Speaker 1: like being a prostitute, putting her in his trailer, he
Speaker 1: took her to his toy box an elephant, butte New Mexico.
Speaker 2: Question, you already have a question I do. If he
Speaker 2: liked young and tight, why is he after a prostitute?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, right, there is like things in
Speaker 1: here that don't don't make a lot of sense. And
Speaker 1: because he also liked like in I think in his
Speaker 1: is in his tape that he said that like almost
Speaker 1: like teenagers.
Speaker 2: Fucking ros This dude's growing.
Speaker 1: But then a lot of like but we don't know,
Speaker 1: like you're making me have to say something I shouldn't
Speaker 1: yet we don't know, so and the ones that we
Speaker 1: do are are not like.
Speaker 2: You know, young gotcha?
Speaker 1: So yeah, anyway, anyway.
Speaker 2: Fuck this guy. That's a moral of this story. Fuck
Speaker 2: this guy.
Speaker 1: Fuck this mofo. Cynthia was held captive for three days,
Speaker 1: so she's actually kind of lucky. Really, Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: like three months. That's what I was thinking, but that
Speaker 1: she's not lucky, but like it could have been longer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on March twenty second, nineteen ninety nine, she was able
Speaker 1: to escape, so that like, remember he started this mid
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties and this is nineteen ninety nine geese to escape.
Speaker 1: She waited for David to head to work and then
Speaker 1: was able to unlock her chains as Sydney had left
Speaker 1: the keys on a nearby table before going into another
Speaker 1: room to take a phone call. Sometimes, because this was
Speaker 1: in the house, sometimes they had like the captives in
Speaker 1: the house. They weren't always in that trailer. After Cynthia
Speaker 1: got the keys, Sydney noticed her trying to escape and
Speaker 1: came to stop it. There was like obviously a struggle
Speaker 1: with Cindy breaking a lamp over Cynthia's head, which could
Speaker 1: have like knocked her right out. Which one's who again,
Speaker 1: Cindy is the when we hate Oh okay, Cynthia is
Speaker 1: the badass. Cynthia's So Cindy is an asshole and like
Speaker 1: broke a lamp over Cynthia the victim's head, But she
Speaker 1: persisted and ended up unlocking her chains and stabbed Cindy
Speaker 1: in the neck with an ice pick.
Speaker 2: Fuck like, Cynthia, yo, girl, get it?
Speaker 1: Like I love it? Cyndia or Cindy now the city?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cindy person on the scene.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Okay, so Cindy Cindy the mofo was af
Speaker 1: and this left Cynthia able to escape. Awesome, So fleeing
Speaker 1: the scene completely naked, which is a visual and a
Speaker 1: half way. I mean, that's that's way better than being
Speaker 1: in there wearing a metal collar attached to a six
Speaker 1: foot chain like. Run down the road. Cynthia ran down
Speaker 1: to down. Sorry, I already said that. So she ran
Speaker 1: down the road, seeking help, which she was able to
Speaker 1: get from a nearby homeowner who took her in, confronted her, come,
Speaker 1: confronted her, sorry.
Speaker 2: For her, comforted, took her in, confronted her, what you
Speaker 2: doing out?
Speaker 1: He helped her, basically comforted her and called the police.
Speaker 2: I like, confronted her.
Speaker 1: I know I did. That came out kind of wrong.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: I gotta fix sen. So her escape led officials to
Speaker 1: David's toy room and investigated or instigated the capture of
Speaker 1: David and.
Speaker 2: His partners God yes yes.
Speaker 1: After the publicity surrounding the arrest, another victim named an
Speaker 1: A Jelica Angelica, Yes, Angelica, I first of it was
Speaker 1: Angela and Angelica and Ford saying Cindy had invited her
Speaker 1: over and that the couple had repeatedly raped and tortured
Speaker 1: her over the course of four days. Angelica was convinced
Speaker 1: they were going to kill her, but she begged for
Speaker 1: her life, saying that she she had young children at
Speaker 1: home and like her and Cindy were friends. So like,
Speaker 1: I guess this fucking affected Cindy. I don't know if
Speaker 1: she all of a sudden just decided to have a
Speaker 1: tiny bit of a heart and they let her go.
Speaker 1: She was apparently picked up while hitchhiking. Angelica like, it's
Speaker 1: crazy that she would actually go hitch hiking, Like I
Speaker 1: think you just never trust another soul in your life,
Speaker 1: but like you're in a situation where you have to
Speaker 1: like get home, right. So she was actually picked up
Speaker 1: by an off duty deputy and told the story to
Speaker 1: hit to this person. I actually don't know if it
Speaker 1: was a female or male, but the story was so
Speaker 1: crazy that the officer didn't believe her and thought she
Speaker 1: was making it up. So she left it at that
Speaker 1: and never reported it.
Speaker 2: Are you serious? Yeah, another one of these It was
Speaker 2: reported and someone just brushed it down. That is the
Speaker 2: biggest like like that theme going through these cases, Like
Speaker 2: it is it's a crazy story because this is crazy.
Speaker 1: But it's like, I mean, it's like your job. Maybe
Speaker 1: just like go there, like pay a little.
Speaker 2: Visit, just check it out, do your job.
Speaker 1: I mean he was off duty at the time.
Speaker 2: But so I don't know, maybe I have some dignity
Speaker 2: and human decency and actually care for someone to listen
Speaker 2: to that, like holy fuck.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, maybe she didn't seem like a
Speaker 1: very reputable person, but like still, I don't do people
Speaker 1: make up stories that they're just like tortured or rape
Speaker 1: for days.
Speaker 2: I'm sure some do, but it should be investigated regardless.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So then there was a third victim named Kelly
Speaker 1: gret I think that's how you say it, and her
Speaker 1: stories are going wild. So she was found by coming
Speaker 1: forward after the FBI release some footage they had found
Speaker 1: dating back to nineteen ninety six showing a woman's strap
Speaker 1: to the gynecology table David had in his toy room.
Speaker 1: The woman, Kelly, had an identifying tattoo on her leg
Speaker 1: that the FBI was hoping someone would recognize, and sure enough,
Speaker 1: Kelly saw that video and knew that was her tattoo.
Speaker 1: She would apparently have nightmares of terrible things happening to her,
Speaker 1: but could never put any of it together. She just
Speaker 1: figured she was like having like weird nightmares of her
Speaker 1: being tied.
Speaker 2: Up and shit, like his brainwashing got so fucking deep.
Speaker 2: Who would have ever thought that's even possible.
Speaker 1: So she ended up having a lot of it like
Speaker 1: come back to her, able to come back to her.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like she like she didn't know, like she
Speaker 1: recognized his tattoo and was like, holy shit, like that's
Speaker 1: my that's my motherfucker tattoo.
Speaker 2: That situation of seeing yourself on a table like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tied up?
Speaker 2: Could you imagine what's real?
Speaker 4: That all?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I think I like, I think I
Speaker 1: would just like it didn't like the video didn't show
Speaker 1: anything like well it was like gross, but like he
Speaker 1: was just like touching her thigh and stuff like it
Speaker 1: didn't like, I mean, there may be even more to it,
Speaker 1: but ah, what they released wasn't.
Speaker 2: Like watching that happen. I bet she could like almost
Speaker 2: feel it fucking happening. Holy shit. Wow yep.
Speaker 1: So she later testified that she had gotten in a
Speaker 1: fight with her husband and decided to spend the night
Speaker 1: playing pool with friends. One of those friends was David's daughter, Jesse.
Speaker 2: Ray ah shit.
Speaker 1: When the night was over, Jesse offered to give Kelly
Speaker 1: a ride home, but said that she had to stop
Speaker 1: at her dad's house on the way home or on
Speaker 1: the way, which, like you would just never think that
Speaker 1: would be an issue.
Speaker 2: You're trusting a friend, Okay, you gonna stop your dad's cool?
Speaker 1: Cool, like right on, like right on, Like I would
Speaker 1: just think that would just never cross my mind that
Speaker 1: would be a problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, we're stopping your dad's place. Cool. By the way,
Speaker 2: is he a like serial rapist and murderer?
Speaker 1: Just by this you have like a toy box, like
Speaker 1: just making sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are questions you should always ask.
Speaker 1: So there you go, just like you're never gonna have
Speaker 1: another friend in your life.
Speaker 2: Right, moral of the story, we don't need friends. Fuck
Speaker 2: people listen to podcasts about people dying. That's what you
Speaker 2: did to time.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay. So once they were there, David
Speaker 1: and Jesse basically like confronted her, tied her up, and
Speaker 1: drugged her. Kelly had endured three days of torture and drugging,
Speaker 1: drugging for which she was only coherent for bits and pieces.
Speaker 1: When David was done with her. He dropped her off
Speaker 1: at home, saying he found her wandering along the lake
Speaker 1: Front beach and he was able to do this. And
Speaker 1: because I haven't mentioned this yet, but he was a
Speaker 1: park ranger, so he was like wearing his uniform, looking
Speaker 1: like irrespectable human being, and he was like just being
Speaker 1: a nice guy, like I found her wandering around like
Speaker 1: a state park, like here she is, dang.
Speaker 2: And then she doesn't report anything.
Speaker 1: Well because she didn't report because she had no idea,
Speaker 1: she didn't remember anything happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm not blaming her, That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: And that's his plan. And then and then she didn't
Speaker 2: report anything. So he's just continuing to be this quote
Speaker 2: unquote respectable individual when really he's actually the fucking scum
Speaker 2: to stuck to the shit on the bottom of your
Speaker 2: shoe that you stepped in.
Speaker 1: Yep, Like he's Nasty's nasty. So besides his partners of
Speaker 1: Jesse Ray and Cindy Hendy, there was also Dennis Roy Yancy,
Speaker 1: which leads us to another victim.
Speaker 2: Can we call him Dennis the Menace please? Okay? That
Speaker 2: made me happy.
Speaker 1: So the other victim is Marie Parker and I'm not
Speaker 1: certain about this, but some reports say that this was
Speaker 1: like Dennis the MENACE's girlfriend or like former girlfriend or something.
Speaker 2: I like how you're rolling with. Okay, just for the record,
Speaker 2: what was his actual name again?
Speaker 1: Dennis Roy Yancy.
Speaker 2: Okay, in case you guys need to look it up,
Speaker 2: there you go.
Speaker 1: But from here and out, Dennis the Menace. Because I
Speaker 1: have Google Dennis the Menace, you probably won't find him.
Speaker 1: So after raping and torturing Marie, David forced Dennis the
Speaker 1: Menace to murder her by strangling her. It's like, okay, ticket, seriously,
Speaker 1: should I stop saying Dennis the Menace? But yeah, you
Speaker 1: can get serious, like he just murdered someone in your life.
Speaker 2: He's just talking about Dennis the Menace.
Speaker 1: We have to get it together, Okay, Okay, I want
Speaker 1: to start giggling her. Okay, So dead the Menace?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's enough. Just Dennis, just.
Speaker 1: Dennis, Okay, So day would force him to murder like
Speaker 1: his girlfriend. They then buried her body in the desert.
Speaker 1: But when Dennis admitted this in questioning and like he
Speaker 1: would said he would go help them locate the body. Okay,
Speaker 1: I still am like, are.
Speaker 2: Keep it together?
Speaker 1: So they like Dennis said he would go help, like
Speaker 1: the I try to find Marie, right, like he knew
Speaker 1: he remembered where the hell they buried her, but when
Speaker 1: they went there, couldn't find her. Really, so they think
Speaker 1: David moved the body. The body like he was very
Speaker 1: good at covering all his tracks.
Speaker 2: Well, I hate to give him this credit, but he
Speaker 2: is smart. He's very intelligent. Clearly he's done his fucking homework.
Speaker 2: He's made sure he's covering his bases.
Speaker 1: No, so the FBI sent one hundred agents to examine
Speaker 1: David's property and surroundings, but no identifiable human regains were found.
Speaker 1: They never located a single body tied to David.
Speaker 2: Not one shit, not.
Speaker 1: One, which I think is crazy because he I mean,
Speaker 1: I say it later, but like it's upwards, like they
Speaker 1: think that he killed at least forty people like nothing.
Speaker 2: So let me get the straight. He has never had
Speaker 2: a charge for murder under his belt.
Speaker 1: No, we'll get there.
Speaker 2: But no, even though in the tape he talks about people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they never found a body, like they don't
Speaker 1: have the evidence.
Speaker 2: Right, Wow, Okay, I mean arguably he can find I know.
Speaker 1: I feel like that. Okay, I feel like that's just yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I know I found that weird too, But anyway,
Speaker 1: we're gonna move on here, We're gonna move on from that.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it again, Okay. And just one more
Speaker 1: touch point that I want to say has how careful
Speaker 1: he was is he had a journal that contained dozens
Speaker 1: of entries, dates, and the number of times he tortured
Speaker 1: each victim, but names were never associated, like he never
Speaker 1: wrote down their names or anything. A couple theories for
Speaker 1: where the bodies could be, being that he's a park ranger,
Speaker 1: he had access to a lot of private areas that
Speaker 1: were like off the beaten path potentially right and Elephant
Speaker 1: Butte Lake, which was right near his home, is the
Speaker 1: largest body of water New Mexico, covering over forty acres,
Speaker 1: So it's like basically impossible to search the whole lake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm assuming it's probably got some pretty deep spots too, where, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Very deep spots, because they did find a map of
Speaker 1: the lake in his home and there was an ex
Speaker 1: labeled yeah, but they had no luck finding like a body. Jeez,
Speaker 1: Like just crazy, but.
Speaker 2: Knowing him, that could have been something to lead him
Speaker 2: completely off the trail.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, yeah, because the and this wasn't another I
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly a video or something. Cindy did say
Speaker 1: like he knew what to do for making sure the
Speaker 1: bodies like stayed underwater. But then if he knew what
Speaker 1: to do, that means like he must have experimented. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just crazy that like he just is.
Speaker 1: There's just no body ever found, Like it's just crazy,
Speaker 1: like just crazy.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 1: So that basically brings us like to the convictions. Dennis
Speaker 1: was convicted of second degree murder and of conspiracy to
Speaker 1: commit first degree murder and was sentenced to two fifteen
Speaker 1: year prison terms. But you might have a question that
Speaker 1: I'm an answer. Okay, this seems like a like a
Speaker 1: harsh sentence.
Speaker 2: Possibly right, yes, because my hand is literally but.
Speaker 1: He pleaded guilty in court. He pleaded guilty. A speculation
Speaker 1: that David had something to do with that he was
Speaker 1: like manipulating him behind bars, like he got a note
Speaker 1: that basically said something like rats don't do well in prison.
Speaker 1: So instead of like you know, saying not guilty because
Speaker 1: I don't think that he necessarily deserved thirty years in prison, yeah,
Speaker 1: he just pleaded guilty. Because he was scared shitless of David,
Speaker 1: so he got a freaking murder charge. Wow, okay, okay, Cindy,
Speaker 1: oh oh oh yeah. This leads me to my other clip.
Speaker 1: I have a short clip to play from an interview
Speaker 1: she did that aired on the Discovery Channel.
Speaker 2: I think it was okay.
Speaker 1: She had only been date with David for under a
Speaker 1: year when he was caught, but she knew like a
Speaker 1: lot and didn't do anything to stop it. But I
Speaker 1: was like, it's surprising, like he had other lady friends,
Speaker 1: I think, right. So he apparently told her he had
Speaker 1: killed at least one girl year for forty years, so
Speaker 1: that's like the forty Yeah. And though that scared her,
Speaker 1: it also interested her to get to know a serial killer,
Speaker 1: which I'm like, oh my god, you could just like
Speaker 1: run with the fucking hills. But okay, weren't.
Speaker 2: You saying something like that the other day. You'd like
Speaker 2: to meet a serial killer?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not like date Oh sorry, but not like
Speaker 1: date one and live with one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Maybe like if they're behind bars, and I just got
Speaker 1: to be like, wow, Dick, you're freaking weird.
Speaker 2: You're freaking weird. That's another t shirt from the Coole
Speaker 2: that were gonna get made one day. You're hi, You're
Speaker 2: freaking weird.
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's here's Cindy's clip.
Speaker 4: What did you think doing these things to other women?
Speaker 4: I had no remorse at the time. It was like
Speaker 4: a slow motion. I was there and I don't think
Speaker 4: I had any failing one way or the other. I
Speaker 4: didn't hate Cindy. I just didn't know her.
Speaker 2: And you were not horrified.
Speaker 4: No, nothing durssic was happening. There was no blood or
Speaker 4: she wasn't being beat to a pulp or anything, you know.
Speaker 4: So was there to be horrified over?
Speaker 2: What's there to be horrified over? What?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like gross?
Speaker 2: Fuck her so much?
Speaker 1: To be horrified over? Are you kidding me? Are you
Speaker 1: kidding me?
Speaker 2: Fuck her?
Speaker 1: Anyway, So, Cindy was also manipulated by David Wall in
Speaker 1: jail and recanted her confession, saying she made it all
Speaker 1: up because she did like a full on confession. She
Speaker 1: was sentenced in two thousand for her roles in the
Speaker 1: abduction and torture of Cynthia and Angelica, receiving thirty six
Speaker 1: years behind bars, but after serving half her sentence, Cindy,
Speaker 1: it's now a free bird.
Speaker 2: Of course she's a free bird.
Speaker 1: But I mean eighteen years Ah, I don't know, she.
Speaker 2: Should be locked up. That's not very long time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she should also be put in the toy box and
Speaker 2: all those victims that she was involved in.
Speaker 1: Because at first I was kind of like, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: she's not like a terrible person. But then when I
Speaker 1: read or listened to that, I was like, actually, you
Speaker 1: are I her.
Speaker 2: People can just recan't confessions?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, well, because I don't know, like he got
Speaker 1: to her too while.
Speaker 2: She was Yeah, but even still, like imagine going into
Speaker 2: work one day, going up to your boss in their
Speaker 2: face and be like, hey, fucked tart, fuck you your
Speaker 2: piece of shit, and then going to work and then
Speaker 2: your boss an hour later calls you in the office
Speaker 2: and be like, look, we gotta fire you. And you're like, why, well,
Speaker 2: listen what you said to me earlier. That's unacceptable. Oh
Speaker 2: I take that back.
Speaker 1: It's okay, I know, but like in court, you can
Speaker 1: just take.
Speaker 2: Shit back, right like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Which is crazy?
Speaker 2: Okay, you can't take back raping those people. You can't
Speaker 2: take back murdering those people. Why can you take that back?
Speaker 1: So as her Jesse, the daughter her father actually offered
Speaker 1: to plead guilties to certain charges in order to get
Speaker 1: her like released, So she served two and a half
Speaker 1: years in jail. But that we know of, she was
Speaker 1: only like involved with Kelly. But I mean, like that
Speaker 1: we know of.
Speaker 2: You know she was.
Speaker 1: She's probably crazy too. So we're almost wrapping up here.
Speaker 1: I know this is like a bit of a longer
Speaker 1: episode than we usually have, but like I didn't want
Speaker 1: to stop it and make you guys like have to
Speaker 1: wait a day because like we need to disclose this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just needs to be closed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't want to drag this on.
Speaker 1: Okay. So that and so they were just it brings
Speaker 1: us to David. So he was convicted in two thousand
Speaker 1: and one. I don't think you're going to be happy then.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to be either.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay. There were numerous trials, but in
Speaker 1: the end, David was sentenced to over two hundred years
Speaker 1: in prison for his offenses of abduction and sexual torture.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like that.
Speaker 1: But David never admitted to any murders, though in two
Speaker 1: thousand and two he let authorities know he was willing
Speaker 1: to talk, okay, but our meeting was scheduled, but David
Speaker 1: died of a heart attack before it took place.
Speaker 2: Fucking serious.
Speaker 1: He served a total of three years of his two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty four year sentence.
Speaker 2: Fucking kidding me, he died. I'm fucking glad he's dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I know likely people didn't want that, Like
Speaker 1: there was even the victim saying like you know, like
Speaker 1: maybe execute or whatever, but like they wanted him to
Speaker 1: like suffer. Yeah, and like he just where's the just
Speaker 1: where just dies? And he was just about I think
Speaker 1: to probably maybe even admit to more. Who knows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like there's bodies, there's I don't know, Like there's so
Speaker 1: much that's just never going to be known now. I
Speaker 1: think they can't find a single body or nothing.
Speaker 2: I really hope he's in a fucking toy box in
Speaker 2: a place that's fucking burning for the rest of his
Speaker 2: fucking eternity. Yeah, and he's got some little fucking minion
Speaker 2: zoning around doing exactly what he had done to those girls.
Speaker 1: There is like a website that has a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of like pieces of jewelry and stuff that you can
Speaker 1: look at to see like if you like recognize it
Speaker 1: of like maybe I loved ones or something, because yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just like what did they do? You know?
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll link that link in the show notes here.
Speaker 2: Do you have that website?
Speaker 1: I don't know if I saved it, but I can
Speaker 1: find it again.
Speaker 2: Okay, well we'll see if you can put it down below.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's the story.
Speaker 2: Of the toy box asshole.
Speaker 1: The toy box Killer and Dennis the Menace. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's called the killer but yeah, they think it's not
Speaker 1: charge with any murder, so he is a killer.
Speaker 2: He's clearly a fucking killer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dennis the Menacing. Goodness for that because that was
Speaker 1: a little bit of camp really for everyone a little bit.
Speaker 2: You were literally crying, you were laughing.
Speaker 1: I was crying. Yeah, it was. It was perfect.
Speaker 2: Well that was a good well not a good episode,
Speaker 2: but uh, well done on the research and delivery.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you well with that makes you guys
Speaker 1: stay wicked.