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<v Speaker 1>Welcome friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole and I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Graham.

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<v Speaker 1>A true come podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Recording.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast materials are audience listener.

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<v Speaker 3>Just wah that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like an accent? There a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>You were southern there? Yeah, true crime podcast, y'all. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll shout out to our southern Southern people. And we've

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<v Speaker 2>got a few people in Texas and such. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Nichole is just trying to be like you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to fit in, you know, Okay, And

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<v Speaker 1>that actually just reminded me. I need to look some.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you hear that?

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<v Speaker 1>As you're having some alcohol? What else is new around here? Eh?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry? Love you.

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<v Speaker 1>I also love beer because the case that I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>today was recommended by someone, right, it was, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to look and see the name and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure I know, but I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I got some I'm supposed to be looking up

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<v Speaker 2>to for this.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, talk about disorganized city around here.

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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't start our timestamp. It's all good. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like a minute off.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what that means. But I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say my news first. Okay, So yeah, this case

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<v Speaker 1>was recommended by Jensen on Instagram and she's from Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>so like, yeah, you know, my yull just fits right

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<v Speaker 1>in there. So yeah, thank you. We actually do look

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<v Speaker 1>into the recommended cases.

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<v Speaker 2>We do. We've got like a plethora of recommended nyes.

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<v Speaker 1>But this, like the name of it, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's so dope, I'm want to look into.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've I've heard a bit about this case.

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<v Speaker 2>I have not gone full dive into it. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even think I've heard a podcast about it yet,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have heard little tidbits, so I do know

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<v Speaker 2>a bit about it.

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<v Speaker 1>There are podcasts out about it, but you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be I feel like you have to be like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a diehard true crime fan to really know this one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, so yeah, I don't know. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>say for sure, but I did also want to do

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a shout out here to another

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram individual here, Barnes Craig said some really kind words

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<v Speaker 2>to us last week, and I just want to be like,

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to you. So I'm going to paraphrase a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit here because there's a slight bit of like

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<v Speaker 2>a comment conversation beforehand leading up. Just know you have

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<v Speaker 2>people out there like myself that absolutely love the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>and you too, you just want more of what you love.

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<v Speaker 2>I listened to twelve to fifteen different true crime podcasts

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<v Speaker 2>and you two somehow make me feel at home and

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<v Speaker 2>it just makes me smile. So that's just a salute

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<v Speaker 2>to you too. Oh and the dogs and cats keep

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<v Speaker 2>up the hard work. Love that that meant a law,

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you very much. We're really happy that we

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<v Speaker 2>can make you guys kind of feel at home like that,

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<v Speaker 2>m h. And that you guys are loving our podcast

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<v Speaker 2>because we're just we're like, we're just diving in, just

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<v Speaker 2>giving this a wing and having fun.

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<v Speaker 1>So totally. That made my heart happy, it did reading that,

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<v Speaker 1>so thank you. That's so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we got like several announcements we're gonna drop here,

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<v Speaker 2>so it might be a bit of a longer intro

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<v Speaker 2>than normal. Sorry about that, guys. But if you notice

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<v Speaker 2>our audio is a little bit different today. We are

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<v Speaker 2>rocking some new microphones. There's some fancy dancy ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel fancy af.

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<v Speaker 2>However, they're not set up quite right yet. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>diald in or anything. So next episode is when you're

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<v Speaker 2>really gonna hear the major audio difference. But the nice

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<v Speaker 2>thing is Nicole can't play with the audio chords anymore

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<v Speaker 2>because like right now, I'm moving my microphone all over

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<v Speaker 2>the place and you don't hear.

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<v Speaker 1>It, which is so good. Okay, it's not just me.

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<v Speaker 2>You do that too, not nearly as much as you.

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<v Speaker 1>And the lady in Red. That was not me, that

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<v Speaker 1>was the lady in Red.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, so we got the new mics. We're still setting

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<v Speaker 2>those up so coming next week. Like I said, fancy

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<v Speaker 2>pretty audio. But fun fact, these are these sure sm

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<v Speaker 2>seven b's. These are the same microphones Michael Jackson recorded

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<v Speaker 2>Thriller on your fangirling over there a little bit. These

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<v Speaker 2>are some industry standard microphones that have been around for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time. So I'm so happy to have these

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<v Speaker 2>in our corner. And it's because of your guys support

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<v Speaker 2>that we could justify actually purchasing me. So thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>love them, love it. Did we unwrap everything we need

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<v Speaker 2>to unwrap? Is that all of it?

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<v Speaker 1>I think?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 1>I have one really exciting thing is that this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna have some audio, like recorded audio from this mofoa,

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<v Speaker 1>which is really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Some actual like recordings of the individual involved speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I don't think we've done before.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm kind of I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, look at me being an innovative.

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<v Speaker 2>And innovative and fancy and dropping shit and breaking boundaries.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where I'm going with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we ready to roll?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready. I've got a beer in hand, We've dropped

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<v Speaker 2>our announcements. We're pumped up. Let's do this.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, ah, because this case is it's wild,

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<v Speaker 1>it's wild. I should be drinking, but I have a tea.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll drink for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheers, thank you. Okay, So this is the David Parker

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<v Speaker 1>Ray case aka the Toy box Killer Toy box Killer not.

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<v Speaker 1>We already dropped that hint on instad we pull like

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<v Speaker 1>guests right away. I was like, what the heck?

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<v Speaker 2>Have we dropped a hint yet where it hasn't been guessed?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not.

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<v Speaker 2>I think every time we drop a hint, it's been guessed.

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<v Speaker 1>May their hints are too easy. We need to make

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<v Speaker 1>him harder. We should yeah, challenge. Okay, So who is

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<v Speaker 1>David Parker Ray?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's hear it?

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<v Speaker 1>He was born on November sixth, nineteen thirty nine, in Berlin,

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's an oldie moldy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He did not have the best of childhoods. His

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<v Speaker 1>mom didn't want him. His dad was a violent alcoholic,

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<v Speaker 1>so he lived with his grandfather, who believed in firm discipline.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's a firm discipline.

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<v Speaker 2>Old school style. I think I get that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>so quick side note, if anyone hears any background, we

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<v Speaker 2>do have renovations.

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<v Speaker 1>Going on the Yeah, we have a contractor down there.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you hear some grinding or something, he's cut

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<v Speaker 2>and tile for about apologize.

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<v Speaker 1>He would occasionally get visited by his father, and when

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<v Speaker 1>he did, do you know what his father would bring him? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is an idea of a gift that your father

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<v Speaker 1>would bring you as like a child.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Like my dad would once in a

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<v Speaker 2>candy or something from like the gas station, like a

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<v Speaker 2>slurpy or something. Yeah, something like that. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>know what he brought him, because you're well, you're me.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell you I know. Okay, this case was so heavy

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just want to say, this is like a

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<v Speaker 2>little boy's dream. Almost, no, almost almost dial it back,

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<v Speaker 2>like forty five thousand notches and you have a little

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<v Speaker 2>boy's dream.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I know so this, Yeah, the case

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<v Speaker 1>was like a little heavy. So I did like share

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<v Speaker 1>some things with you through the week because I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get this off my chest. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>he would bring him magazines, say is sat is pornography magazines?

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<v Speaker 2>See that's what I mean by dal back. Like if

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<v Speaker 2>a dad just came home and.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, boy, I guess he was young.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fair. The age and the specific content of

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<v Speaker 2>the magazines is.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely it was just a bit much because like so

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<v Speaker 1>basically the magazines are showing sexual pleasure from inflicting pain, suffering,

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<v Speaker 1>or humiliation onto others.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. See that's fucked.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not okay.

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<v Speaker 2>See, if my dad came home was like here, Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a booby magazine, I'd be like, hey, But if

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<v Speaker 2>my dad came home it's like here, Ben, here's someone

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<v Speaker 2>getting tortured to death, then I'm going to get off

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<v Speaker 2>on it. I'd be like what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like, excuse me, but that's just like a bit much,

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<v Speaker 1>a touch, just a bit much. It's a bit much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bit He attended a shirt that says.

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<v Speaker 1>That it's a bit much. Yeah, and what the frig?

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<v Speaker 2>And what the frig?

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<v Speaker 1>He attended Mountainair High School in Mountainair, New Mexico, where

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<v Speaker 1>he was bullied by his peers for his shyness around girls.

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<v Speaker 1>You can only freaking wonder why the hell is shy

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<v Speaker 1>around girls? No kidding, he had probably no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell like to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just to be fair, I'm thirty three years

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<v Speaker 2>old and still don't know what to tell them to

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<v Speaker 2>do around girls and women. So I'm just like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, because girls they're kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot to us you complicated. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>that in a bad way.

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<v Speaker 1>Spaghetti is delicious, Well yeah, because what's the analogy? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>boys are like a waffle. At any moment in time,

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<v Speaker 1>they're in one square or what box. Women are like spaghetti,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like just shit intertwined all over the front.

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<v Speaker 2>Each each noodle is a thought connecting to another one,

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<v Speaker 2>touching other ones and goes all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>And it all makes sense. Though.

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<v Speaker 2>I love waffles, I love spaghetti, but they are both

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<v Speaker 2>very very different.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. Okay, so at this time he was

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<v Speaker 1>also developing fantasies of raping, torturing, and even murdering women.

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<v Speaker 1>After completing high school, he enlisted in the US Army,

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<v Speaker 1>receiving honorable discharge at the end of his term, where

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<v Speaker 1>his service also included work as a general mechanic. David

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<v Speaker 1>was divorced four times. Wow, only this dude got like

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<v Speaker 1>with that many chicks. But anyway, and had two children,

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<v Speaker 1>one being Jesse Ray, who you may hear more about later.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, dot that divorce thing though, Like there's there's some

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<v Speaker 2>people who just have like bad luck with that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing. So, I mean, I'm not going to knock

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<v Speaker 2>anyone for being divorced that many times.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but he's like a nasty motherfucker. So how did

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<v Speaker 1>he get get married four times?

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<v Speaker 4>What?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's true, it's fine to be divorced, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not against that, but it's like, it's just if

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<v Speaker 1>you're gross, Like how did he even get for.

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<v Speaker 2>Being divorced that many times? You just got to like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious on what his lifestyle was. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>he's very notnicily active sexually, but just active like he's

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<v Speaker 2>going through that many people, It's like, what the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>is he doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they probably like I think he's a charmer, so

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<v Speaker 1>he probably charms them. Then they get married and they

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<v Speaker 1>realize like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He's fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>Nasty you nasty?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's another T shirt coming up from which Lincoln,

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<v Speaker 2>You're nasty?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, there's so much.

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<v Speaker 2>All your saying is going to be turned into T

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<v Speaker 1>Your nasty, your nasty, moful. Okay. So it's believed David

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<v Speaker 1>started his killing spree sometime in the mid nineteen fifties. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And with that, With that, I'm going to dive right

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<v Speaker 2>Let's dive right in.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll hear victims stories shortly, but I'm starting off with

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<v Speaker 1>who was David ray Parker? Like why was he? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we already went who but why was he nicknamed the

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<v Speaker 1>toy Box Killer? Do you want to know?

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you really?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Deep breath, David had soundproofd a truck trailer outside his home,

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<v Speaker 1>which he called his toy box or Satan's Den, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was qu equipped like I mean, equipped with items used,

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<v Speaker 1>items used for sexual torture.

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<v Speaker 2>He probably made sure that was equipped because he isn't

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<v Speaker 2>very equipped was I would assume you didn't, So just

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for the clarification. That's nasty.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say nasty so many times because this

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<v Speaker 1>like it's just like I'm almost like shaky, because this

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<v Speaker 1>guy is like so disgusting that I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>almost going to have trouble presenting this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we had trouble, and I'm glad that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Have the recordings now because if I had to like

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<v Speaker 1>tell what.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, he was saying, like, I feel that because

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<v Speaker 2>we had trouble on forty four days of health for

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing. Like it's like when we're talking the story,

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<v Speaker 2>we even know this story, but even to just say

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<v Speaker 2>it out loud.

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<v Speaker 1>It's different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a there's shock value that that hits our system.

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<v Speaker 1>Can find a story that's kind maybe for my next.

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<v Speaker 2>A nice murder, you know, a kind murder, maybe with unicorns,

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<v Speaker 2>like a fluffy murder. Yeah, you know, something that was

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<v Speaker 2>maybe someone was massaged in a massage therapy clinic. Yeah, quietly, calmly.

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<v Speaker 1>And then boom dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just a bullet to the head. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't feel a thing, something like that, cut and.

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<v Speaker 1>Dry, Okay, so the trailer and the contents inside it

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly cost to have it around a hundred thousand dollars. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>can you just think of the other shit that you

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<v Speaker 1>could buy with a hundred thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Dollars, I'd buy a lot of booze, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Way better shit, or like travel or just whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He would kidnap between five and six girls each year,

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<v Speaker 1>holding them captive for up to three months, dubbing them

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<v Speaker 1>his sex slaves, and on occasion he would have more

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<v Speaker 1>than one captive at a time as he liked variety.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the spice of life.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, what a douche can I just made everyone?

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<v Speaker 1>Now they're every going to talk about the spice of

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<v Speaker 1>life feel dirty?

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<v Speaker 2>No kidding?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? Like glitter spice of life? No no, no, you

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<v Speaker 2>know yeah that's actually kraft herpees. I shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, So during the period of time his sex

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<v Speaker 1>slaves were held, he would sexually abuse them. And then

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<v Speaker 1>that's honestly like putting it lightly, Like it's really putting

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<v Speaker 1>it lightly. I would go into more detail, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do apologize for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here we go. Buckle up, ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 1>David's toy box contained a custom built gynecology type table

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle with electroids that it minister electric shocks,

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<v Speaker 1>and a mirror mounted to the ceiling. He wanted his

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<v Speaker 1>victims to be able to see everything he was doing

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<v Speaker 1>to them. What that's just the start. Littering the floor

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<v Speaker 1>and walls were whips, chains, pulleys, straps, clamps, legs, spreader bars,

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<v Speaker 1>surgical blades, and saws, as well as numerous sex toys.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the devices were things he put together

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<v Speaker 1>or made himself, such as a modified drill with sexual

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<v Speaker 1>devices attached them, like dildos because he was mechanically inclined, right.

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<v Speaker 1>There was also a dildo he made from a PVC pipe.

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<v Speaker 1>This PVC pipe was eight inches long, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>this because he had each inch labeled. That was one

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<v Speaker 1>of his things. He wanted to basically know and learn

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<v Speaker 1>like every inch of your fucking body and what you

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<v Speaker 1>could handle. Wow, But that's not the worst of that

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<v Speaker 1>pipe because at the base of that he had nails

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<v Speaker 1>melted in the plastic to be used as spikes that

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<v Speaker 1>would just like rip your inner thighs to threads and

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<v Speaker 1>stab you as he was entering your body.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so fucked up. Yeah, however, I do got

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<v Speaker 2>to give him, give him creativity points. Though he's trash,

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<v Speaker 2>don't get me wrong, Like fuck this guy on every

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<v Speaker 2>different level, freaking disgusting, But I am slightly impressed with

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<v Speaker 2>his ingenuity, you know what I mean, Like his.

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<v Speaker 1>D I d I Y what is that di y?

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<v Speaker 2>Sex toys, Like his ability to create these things, and

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<v Speaker 2>his thought process in behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, because his whole thing was like he could only

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<v Speaker 1>get off. I might to say this later if he's

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<v Speaker 1>inflicting pain on others, Yeah, see.

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<v Speaker 2>That's weird and just wrong and fucked and.

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<v Speaker 1>Set him up for this, I think probably, like really.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine being in that room and the mirror

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<v Speaker 2>on the ceiling literally seeing every uh I'm painting a picture,

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<v Speaker 2>and oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We might tell a picture. I will post pictures. I

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<v Speaker 1>would go in that room like okay, after the facts.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was nasty after.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, gross, gross. That came out so wrong. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>after he was caught just to like look around and

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<v Speaker 1>see what the fuck because like I loved, like just

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<v Speaker 1>people's brains.

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of kinks are you hiding?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not hiding anything, And that came out so wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just like to go into like a crime

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<v Speaker 1>scene after the fact, I think would be kind of interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I think I should have been a detected.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, any crime scene after the fact. I think

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<v Speaker 2>going into this one it would be over fucking welling.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, guaranteed, like guaranteed.

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<v Speaker 2>And when when was was this year that he was active?

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<v Speaker 2>Story again?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he started in like the nineteen fifties, So one.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundred thousand dollars to equip this trailer out in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I don't actually know if it was like

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<v Speaker 1>the equivalent to hundred gees. Is that hundreges? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>how you could say that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah now?

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<v Speaker 1>Or if that was then, I honestly don't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>They just said it was like value to that. It

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<v Speaker 1>could have been he was like cap surd later on,

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<v Speaker 1>so it could have been at that time that they

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<v Speaker 1>were assessing the value. I don't know. That's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, gotcha. So the walls had diagrams showing

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<v Speaker 1>different methods and techniques for inflicting pain.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck, this guy's thorough.

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<v Speaker 1>There was also a wooden contraption used to bend over

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<v Speaker 1>and immobilize his victims. He would use this to allow

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<v Speaker 1>his dogs and sometimes friends to rape his victims.

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go into like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>detail regarding the dogs because like I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you guys noticed the sorry, but like I'm a huge

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<v Speaker 1>animal lover. But I'll just say like breeding musk was involved,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had a German shepherd.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh jeez, That's what I was wondering. I'm like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>how the fuck is he gonna enable that? But the

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<v Speaker 2>breeding musk? Okay, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, so you can like you can be yeah yeah, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Just not even going to moving on, moving on.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving on. David sexually tortured, terrorized, and presumably killed many

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<v Speaker 1>of his victims with these tools for like forty plus

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<v Speaker 1>years while living in New Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa wait, forty plus years hotly, shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a long ass time with the help of accomplishes

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<v Speaker 1>or accomplished accomplishes. I like read so fast that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just like because like I guess, skid so into it.

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<v Speaker 1>I also shit at pronouncing words too. Hey, you and

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<v Speaker 1>me both were in it together, like.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, we just dove into this, just like not

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<v Speaker 2>knowing what we're doing. So here we are guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So some of whom are alleged to have been

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<v Speaker 1>several of the women he dated, including his last known girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure if it's like a girlfriend or a wife,

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<v Speaker 1>because like, they weren't together very long. But then some

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<v Speaker 1>things would refer to his girlfriend and some like I

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<v Speaker 1>think he might have just called her a wife, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're married. And her name is.

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<v Speaker 2>Cindy Hendy, Cindy Hindy, Cindy Hindy, Cindy Hindy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's quite a name, but I think her actual

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<v Speaker 1>real name is Cynthia.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he hated her.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was a willing participant. And his daughter Jesse Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>You said his name already, So.

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<v Speaker 1>His accomplishes, am I saying that wrong? Still accomplice accomplishes, accomplice,

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<v Speaker 1>accomplishes accomplice.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying accomplishes accomplishment.

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<v Speaker 1>So their jobs. I'm just moving on. We're basically to

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<v Speaker 1>his partners. Yeah, yeah, you'll never hear me say the

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<v Speaker 1>word again. Basically bring him or help him attract women.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, those fucks.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the thing because I think like being a

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<v Speaker 1>woman like your spidey sense would go down like if

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<v Speaker 1>another woman was.

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<v Speaker 2>Involved, you know, I mean go down.

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<v Speaker 1>Like say if like you were like being picked up

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<v Speaker 1>or like out of bar and like and like you're

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<v Speaker 1>you just wouldn't be as on edge if it was

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<v Speaker 1>like another chick with the dude or like another chick

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<v Speaker 1>saying like come over to my house or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, Your spidy sense wouldn't be tingling because there's another

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<v Speaker 2>female around it like it just I think you would

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<v Speaker 2>just makes him feel more comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because like I don't think you'd think that another

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<v Speaker 1>chick would like say yeah for the shit, right, Well one.

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<v Speaker 2>Would hope, but clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly you just can't trust freaking anyone nowadays, like just

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<v Speaker 1>don't like just don't people suck. David's type was young,

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<v Speaker 1>clean and well built females. The younger the better, basically

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<v Speaker 1>like the tighter the better. Ah this so if and

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<v Speaker 1>this is something like I don't even have in there,

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<v Speaker 1>but like if you couldn't find like young, then lots

431
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<v Speaker 1>of times he would go they would go to like

432
00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:13.119
<v Speaker 1>onto lesbians.

433
00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, but that theory doesn't necessarily doesn't necessarily but

434
00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:20.960
<v Speaker 2>because there's toys.

435
00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:24.200
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, this guy's this guy's stupid.

436
00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:25.079
<v Speaker 2>He's stupid.

437
00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:29.279
<v Speaker 1>So before torturing yeah, we hate him. Before torturing his victims,

438
00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:33.000
<v Speaker 1>David would play an audio tape telling his victims exactly

439
00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:35.599
<v Speaker 1>what he was going to do to them and what

440
00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:40.440
<v Speaker 1>they would have to endure, like in detail. So this

441
00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:43.039
<v Speaker 1>is the start of what would be played. I'm going

442
00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:45.640
<v Speaker 1>to like the very beginning of it. If you want

443
00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:47.920
<v Speaker 1>to listen, like, I'll have a few other clips and stuff,

444
00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and if you want to listen to more, you can

445
00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:51.839
<v Speaker 1>google it. But it's like close to an hour of

446
00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:54.160
<v Speaker 1>your life that you'll just like never get back and.

447
00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:55.799
<v Speaker 2>You'll probably regret listening to.

448
00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Like, Okay, I was doing chores while I was listening

449
00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:00.319
<v Speaker 1>to this because I had to be distracted, Like, I

450
00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:02.160
<v Speaker 1>listened to the whole thing. I'm not exactly sure if

451
00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:04.599
<v Speaker 1>that was a good idea, but I did.

452
00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:05.000
<v Speaker 3>So.

453
00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:07.759
<v Speaker 1>This is the first This is basically the very beginning

454
00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:12.200
<v Speaker 1>of his nasty motherfuckerself.

455
00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Motherfucker itself.

456
00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:19.359
<v Speaker 3>Hello there, bitch, Are you comfortable right now? I doubt it.

457
00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:28.359
<v Speaker 3>Wrists and ankles, chained, gagged, probably blindfolded. You are disoriented

458
00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:33.599
<v Speaker 3>and scared too, I would imagine perfectly normal under the

459
00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:38.640
<v Speaker 3>circumstances for a little while. At least, you need to

460
00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:42.319
<v Speaker 3>get your shit together and listen to the state. It

461
00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:46.759
<v Speaker 3>is very relevant to your situation. I'm going to tell

462
00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:51.559
<v Speaker 3>you in detail why you have been kidnapped, what's going

463
00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:54.000
<v Speaker 3>to happen to you, and how long you'll be here.

464
00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:58.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't know the details of your capture because this

465
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<v Speaker 3>stape is being created. Twenty third nineteen ninety three is

466
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<v Speaker 3>a general advisory tape for future female captives. The information

467
00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:11.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to give you is based on my experience

468
00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:16.599
<v Speaker 3>dealing with captives over a period of several years. If

469
00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:19.720
<v Speaker 3>at a future date there are any major changes in

470
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<v Speaker 3>our procedures, the tape will be upgraded. Now you're obviously

471
00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:31.839
<v Speaker 3>here against your will, totally helpless, don't know where you're at,

472
00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:36.640
<v Speaker 3>don't know what's going to happen to you. You're very

473
00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:42.119
<v Speaker 3>scared or very pissed off. I'm sure that you've already

474
00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:46.559
<v Speaker 3>tried to get your wrists and ankles loose. No, you can't.

475
00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Now you're just waiting to see what's gonna happen next.

476
00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:55.319
<v Speaker 3>You probably think you're gonna be raped, and you're fucking

477
00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:59.319
<v Speaker 3>sure right about that. Our primary interest is in what

478
00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:04.359
<v Speaker 3>you've got between your legs. You'll be raped thoroughly and

479
00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:11.480
<v Speaker 3>repeatedly and every hole you've got because basically you've been

480
00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:14.640
<v Speaker 3>snatched and brought here for us to train and used

481
00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:19.119
<v Speaker 3>as a sex Sleeve's son kind of far out, I

482
00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:22.480
<v Speaker 3>suppose it is to the uninitiated, but we do it

483
00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:23.200
<v Speaker 3>all the time.

484
00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:28.359
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck deep breasts say?

485
00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:29.079
<v Speaker 1>After that?

486
00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:34.759
<v Speaker 2>This dude knows what he's fucking doing too. There's so

487
00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:39.680
<v Speaker 2>much psychological shit going on now, Like he's smart, he's

488
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:43.680
<v Speaker 2>he's intelligent, he's a fucking asshole, jack tard, every name

489
00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:46.119
<v Speaker 2>I can think of under the sun. But he is

490
00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:51.960
<v Speaker 2>playing so many mind games in that he's telling you

491
00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.039
<v Speaker 2>exactly what you're feeling. He's telling you exactly what you've done,

492
00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:01.839
<v Speaker 2>giving him control over you all ready before anything else

493
00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:06.559
<v Speaker 2>even happens, Like saying you've already tried to get your

494
00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:09.640
<v Speaker 2>hands and your feet loose. You can't.

495
00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so like calm, yeah, no, like expression really and

496
00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:20.079
<v Speaker 1>it's just oh like it's just like gross.

497
00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine being in that fucking room hearing that

498
00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:25.039
<v Speaker 2>audio and this goes on for an hour.

499
00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, like it's about like fifty minutes or so

500
00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:33.680
<v Speaker 1>because and that's literally like two minutes and like yeah,

501
00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:36.319
<v Speaker 1>he waits like because you're probably like unconscious or whatever,

502
00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:40.799
<v Speaker 1>and he waits for you to like cone and yeah.

503
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Fuck this guy, Yeah, like holy shit, our primary interest

504
00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.920
<v Speaker 2>is what you have between your legs. Fuck, my primary

505
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.480
<v Speaker 2>interest is his fucking brain being cream cheese on a

506
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:53.079
<v Speaker 2>fucking curb side. Yeah, fuck him.

507
00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.720
<v Speaker 1>And like he also goes into I don't have that

508
00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:00.400
<v Speaker 1>recorded or like a clip for it, but at after

509
00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:03.119
<v Speaker 1>that's done, I think, like you're you have to do

510
00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:07.160
<v Speaker 1>a questionnaire a questionnaire that he has, and you're literally

511
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:11.119
<v Speaker 1>like strapped to this table buck ass naked because he's

512
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.279
<v Speaker 1>like this is the process of like where he's getting

513
00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:16.240
<v Speaker 1>to know your body and like he'll ask you questions

514
00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:18.559
<v Speaker 1>about like if you've had a kid or like when

515
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:23.160
<v Speaker 1>your next period is and all the shit, Like it's

516
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:24.079
<v Speaker 1>like thorough.

517
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:25.160
<v Speaker 2>And what happens if they don't answer.

518
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:28.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he's going to Okay, Well, he has those

519
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:33.880
<v Speaker 1>electrode things, yeah, hip hooked to their nipples so he'll

520
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:39.559
<v Speaker 1>di zapt you wow, like wow, hey, Like I mean

521
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>like I'm almost like so uncomfortable presenting this case. Like

522
00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:45.680
<v Speaker 1>I was excited but it's also like terrified. They're just

523
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:49.960
<v Speaker 1>so like, ah, okay, so at a few other things

524
00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:54.079
<v Speaker 1>we do another phone, another recording, but it was also

525
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:56.079
<v Speaker 1>so this is one thing. It was also explained that

526
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<v Speaker 1>they would only refer to him as master and the

527
00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:04.319
<v Speaker 1>woman as mistress, and to only speak unless spoken to first,

528
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:09.559
<v Speaker 1>So like say if you had a kid, or you'd

529
00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:11.160
<v Speaker 1>be like, have you ever had a kid? Then you

530
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:14.720
<v Speaker 1>have to be like yes, Master, no Master, and like

531
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.200
<v Speaker 1>if you forget to say that master word, like the

532
00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:17.839
<v Speaker 1>un you're fucked.

533
00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Like you have to hauck off this guy. Wow, what

534
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:23.119
<v Speaker 2>an ass hat. I hate him.

535
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.480
<v Speaker 1>So the tape would go on to explain, Oh, you

536
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:27.519
<v Speaker 1>have something else to say to you.

537
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:32.720
<v Speaker 2>If he doesn't get like, I don't know what he deserves,

538
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.319
<v Speaker 2>but if he doesn't get what he deserves at the

539
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:35.920
<v Speaker 2>end of this podcast, I'm gonna be angry.

540
00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>He deserves to basically like be in that room tortured

541
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:44.279
<v Speaker 1>by like everyone he tortured. Yes, I agree, I think

542
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:46.839
<v Speaker 1>I think that would be the only thing that like

543
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:49.160
<v Speaker 1>would make this And I'm not saying that wouldn't even

544
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>make it better.

545
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:52.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking one at a time, all of them

546
00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:52.640
<v Speaker 2>at the.

547
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:55.839
<v Speaker 1>Same time, yep, doing everything they want.

548
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Not playing a tape that they made. They're gonna play

549
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>his own tape for him too, Yeah, and let him

550
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:06.799
<v Speaker 2>listen to his own fucking tape for an hour. They're

551
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:08.720
<v Speaker 2>going to fucking bend him over in that little wooden

552
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:10.640
<v Speaker 2>thing and put his own dog musk on his asshole.

553
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's what's gonna fucking happen.

554
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 1>Ohly, Okay. So the tape would go on to explain

555
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:24.680
<v Speaker 1>exactly how they would be raped and tortured like in detail.

556
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:29.160
<v Speaker 1>After he was finished with them, or has, as he

557
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.240
<v Speaker 1>would say, gets tired of them, he would either kill

558
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:37.759
<v Speaker 1>them or drug them with like a concoction in an

559
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.680
<v Speaker 1>attempt to erase their memories before abandoning them on the

560
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:45.759
<v Speaker 1>side of the road. And so here's another recording that

561
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:48.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of explains that, so that I don't have to

562
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:51.519
<v Speaker 1>say it now.

563
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:54.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that you're a great little piece of ass,

564
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:56.319
<v Speaker 3>and you're going to be a lot of fun to

565
00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.160
<v Speaker 3>play with, but I will get tired of you eventually.

566
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.680
<v Speaker 3>If I killed every bitch that we kidnapped, there'd be

567
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:08.759
<v Speaker 3>bodies strung all over the country. And besides, I don't

568
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:14.039
<v Speaker 3>like killing a girl. Unless it is absolutely necessary. So

569
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:20.079
<v Speaker 3>I've devised a safe alternate method of disposal. I had

570
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.839
<v Speaker 3>plenty of bitches to practice on over the years, so

571
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 3>I've pretty well got it down pat and I enjoy

572
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:31.440
<v Speaker 3>doing it. I get off on mind games after we

573
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.519
<v Speaker 3>get completely through with you. You're going to be drugged up

574
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:39.519
<v Speaker 3>real heavy with a combination of sodium pentathol and phenobarbitol.

575
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:43.880
<v Speaker 3>There are both hypnotic drugs that will make you extremely

576
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:51.519
<v Speaker 3>susceptible to hypnosis, auto hypnosis and hypnotic suggestion. You're going

577
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 3>to be kept drugged a couple days while I play

578
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:59.319
<v Speaker 3>with your mind. By the time I get through brainwashing you,

579
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.200
<v Speaker 3>you're not going to remember a fucking thing about this

580
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 3>little adventure. You won't remember this place, us, or what

581
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:13.160
<v Speaker 3>has happened to you. There won't be any DNA evidence

582
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:17.160
<v Speaker 3>because you'll be bathed and both holes between your legs

583
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:22.880
<v Speaker 3>will be thoroughly flushed out. He'll be dressed, sedated, and

584
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:28.000
<v Speaker 3>turn loose on some country road, bruised store all over,

585
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:31.480
<v Speaker 3>but nothing that won't heal up in a week or two.

586
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:36.079
<v Speaker 3>The thought of being brainwashed may not be appealing to you,

587
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:42.240
<v Speaker 3>but we've been doing it a long time, and it works,

588
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 3>and it's the lesser of two evils. I'm sure that

589
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.759
<v Speaker 3>you would prefer that in lieu of being strangled, they're

590
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:51.799
<v Speaker 3>having your throat cut.

591
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, how was that for you?

592
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, there's the theory on him liking mind games. He

593
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:01.039
<v Speaker 2>just said he it's off on mind games.

594
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yeah, he likes playing with your mind. And

595
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.759
<v Speaker 1>like he says that he doesn't like to kill bitches,

596
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.839
<v Speaker 1>but like he's also practiced, and so you can only

597
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>like I can just only imagine like how many people

598
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:16.119
<v Speaker 1>like he's actually killed.

599
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Really, yeah for sure, But you know what I he's

600
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:23.680
<v Speaker 2>being as far as I can tell. I mean, who

601
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 2>fucking knows he likes playing mind games. He's been pretty

602
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.279
<v Speaker 2>fucking honest in these tapes. He's saying it like it

603
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.960
<v Speaker 2>is though he is playing mind games, being he's suggesting

604
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.839
<v Speaker 2>to them and this sort of stuff. But he is

605
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:38.960
<v Speaker 2>being honest. So I kind of believe when he says

606
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.680
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't like to kill, he'll do it if necessary.

607
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>He's also been experimenting to get this like perfect combination

608
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.039
<v Speaker 1>of drugs and stuff, so I imagine and because like

609
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:51.519
<v Speaker 1>experimenting like with those drugs is not like a safe situation.

610
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so there's I.

611
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Imagine there's been tons of people that have you know,

612
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>fell through.

613
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's the thing. He's probably experiment hing with

614
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the drugs, keeping them to see if it works, and

615
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:06.079
<v Speaker 2>then it doesn't work, then he's like, fuck, okay, kill her,

616
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.200
<v Speaker 2>get rid of her. Yeah, but now he's got to

617
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:09.839
<v Speaker 2>dialed in. He's like, I don't have to kill him

618
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 2>anymore because that was just like a way of disposing him.

619
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:14.599
<v Speaker 2>I can dispose him another way where a body won't

620
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:16.160
<v Speaker 2>be found and they just don't remember, and it's a

621
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:16.640
<v Speaker 2>better way.

622
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is a crazy, fucked up It's so crazy

623
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:24.519
<v Speaker 1>because like my armpits are sweating, it's so crazy.

624
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:30.480
<v Speaker 2>That's just me on a normal basis. But like hypnosis,

625
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:32.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm really surprised that they can do that with the

626
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:35.640
<v Speaker 2>drugs because hypnosis even said it there, it's suggestion. It's

627
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:39.519
<v Speaker 2>a power of suggestion. That's what hypnosis is. It's you

628
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:43.000
<v Speaker 2>can't hypnotize someone to do something unless they would normally

629
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.640
<v Speaker 2>be willing to do it. Yeah, that's why you don't.

630
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Drugs are like allowing you to get to that state, yes,

631
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 1>where it's then easy for him to do it. Yeah,

632
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>so like he just he just has the snail.

633
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>It's weird the amount of times he would have had

634
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.839
<v Speaker 2>to try and error this as me terrified.

635
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:09.599
<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, totally okay with that wondering did David ever

636
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>get caught?

637
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I mean, are you wondering? I'm not wondering, I know,

638
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>but I'm wondering what the fuck happens?

639
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, that brings us to our Badass of the Day.

640
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:22.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, we like badass, and bad ass is the day.

641
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 2>We need like a like an audio to play like

642
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Badass of the Day explosions and that sort of thing.

643
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>So this is a bit confusing because it's not his

644
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.920
<v Speaker 1>lady friend. This is Cynthia Vigil. So I'm going to

645
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.400
<v Speaker 1>like go by his lady friend as Sydney, and then

646
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:40.480
<v Speaker 1>this is like a victim Cynthia, Okay, David's last victim

647
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>and the one who would lead to his capture. Good, yes, yes,

648
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.440
<v Speaker 1>we like her. Cynthia's story has started with David posing

649
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:53.519
<v Speaker 1>as an undercover police officer and approaching Cynthia in a

650
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 1>parking lot, telling her that she was under arrests for

651
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.799
<v Speaker 1>prostitution and handcuffing her like she was at she prostitutes,

652
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.319
<v Speaker 1>like being a prostitute, putting her in his trailer, he

653
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>took her to his toy box an elephant, butte New Mexico.

654
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Question, you already have a question I do. If he

655
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:18.440
<v Speaker 2>liked young and tight, why is he after a prostitute?

656
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.759
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, right, there is like things in

657
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:23.440
<v Speaker 1>here that don't don't make a lot of sense. And

658
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.440
<v Speaker 1>because he also liked like in I think in his

659
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:29.799
<v Speaker 1>is in his tape that he said that like almost

660
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.079
<v Speaker 1>like teenagers.

661
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Fucking ros This dude's growing.

662
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 1>But then a lot of like but we don't know,

663
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:38.519
<v Speaker 1>like you're making me have to say something I shouldn't

664
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:42.279
<v Speaker 1>yet we don't know, so and the ones that we

665
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:43.519
<v Speaker 1>do are are not like.

666
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, young gotcha?

667
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, anyway, anyway.

668
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Fuck this guy. That's a moral of this story. Fuck

669
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:52.599
<v Speaker 2>this guy.

670
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Fuck this mofo. Cynthia was held captive for three days,

671
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.759
<v Speaker 1>so she's actually kind of lucky. Really, Yeah, it's not

672
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:04.559
<v Speaker 1>like three months. That's what I was thinking, but that

673
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:06.880
<v Speaker 1>she's not lucky, but like it could have been longer. Yeah,

674
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:10.360
<v Speaker 1>on March twenty second, nineteen ninety nine, she was able

675
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:13.199
<v Speaker 1>to escape, so that like, remember he started this mid

676
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:18.280
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties and this is nineteen ninety nine geese to escape.

677
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:21.159
<v Speaker 1>She waited for David to head to work and then

678
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:25.280
<v Speaker 1>was able to unlock her chains as Sydney had left

679
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.239
<v Speaker 1>the keys on a nearby table before going into another

680
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.320
<v Speaker 1>room to take a phone call. Sometimes, because this was

681
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:33.239
<v Speaker 1>in the house, sometimes they had like the captives in

682
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:36.519
<v Speaker 1>the house. They weren't always in that trailer. After Cynthia

683
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:40.440
<v Speaker 1>got the keys, Sydney noticed her trying to escape and

684
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.519
<v Speaker 1>came to stop it. There was like obviously a struggle

685
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.960
<v Speaker 1>with Cindy breaking a lamp over Cynthia's head, which could

686
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:49.079
<v Speaker 1>have like knocked her right out. Which one's who again,

687
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Cindy is the when we hate Oh okay, Cynthia is

688
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:59.760
<v Speaker 1>the badass. Cynthia's So Cindy is an asshole and like

689
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.000
<v Speaker 1>broke a lamp over Cynthia the victim's head, But she

690
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:08.639
<v Speaker 1>persisted and ended up unlocking her chains and stabbed Cindy

691
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:10.039
<v Speaker 1>in the neck with an ice pick.

692
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Fuck like, Cynthia, yo, girl, get it?

693
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:19.639
<v Speaker 1>Like I love it? Cyndia or Cindy now the city?

694
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Cindy person on the scene.

695
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, Okay, so Cindy Cindy the mofo was af

696
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:34.079
<v Speaker 1>and this left Cynthia able to escape. Awesome, So fleeing

697
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 1>the scene completely naked, which is a visual and a

698
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:39.920
<v Speaker 1>half way. I mean, that's that's way better than being

699
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.639
<v Speaker 1>in there wearing a metal collar attached to a six

700
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:47.400
<v Speaker 1>foot chain like. Run down the road. Cynthia ran down

701
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>to down. Sorry, I already said that. So she ran

702
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 1>down the road, seeking help, which she was able to

703
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:58.599
<v Speaker 1>get from a nearby homeowner who took her in, confronted her, come,

704
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:00.079
<v Speaker 1>confronted her, sorry.

705
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.639
<v Speaker 2>For her, comforted, took her in, confronted her, what you

706
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:04.960
<v Speaker 2>doing out?

707
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:12.239
<v Speaker 1>He helped her, basically comforted her and called the police.

708
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:13.639
<v Speaker 2>I like, confronted her.

709
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 1>I know I did. That came out kind of wrong.

710
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:17.559
<v Speaker 1>And then I was like, that doesn't make any sense.

711
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I gotta fix sen. So her escape led officials to

712
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:26.159
<v Speaker 1>David's toy room and investigated or instigated the capture of

713
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:27.480
<v Speaker 1>David and.

714
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.840
<v Speaker 2>His partners God yes yes.

715
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:37.400
<v Speaker 1>After the publicity surrounding the arrest, another victim named an

716
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:41.559
<v Speaker 1>A Jelica Angelica, Yes, Angelica, I first of it was

717
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Angela and Angelica and Ford saying Cindy had invited her

718
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.719
<v Speaker 1>over and that the couple had repeatedly raped and tortured

719
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:56.199
<v Speaker 1>her over the course of four days. Angelica was convinced

720
00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:58.920
<v Speaker 1>they were going to kill her, but she begged for

721
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.639
<v Speaker 1>her life, saying that she she had young children at

722
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.519
<v Speaker 1>home and like her and Cindy were friends. So like,

723
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess this fucking affected Cindy. I don't know if

724
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:10.199
<v Speaker 1>she all of a sudden just decided to have a

725
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.480
<v Speaker 1>tiny bit of a heart and they let her go.

726
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>She was apparently picked up while hitchhiking. Angelica like, it's

727
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:21.320
<v Speaker 1>crazy that she would actually go hitch hiking, Like I

728
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.400
<v Speaker 1>think you just never trust another soul in your life,

729
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:24.960
<v Speaker 1>but like you're in a situation where you have to

730
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.079
<v Speaker 1>like get home, right. So she was actually picked up

731
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.920
<v Speaker 1>by an off duty deputy and told the story to

732
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:34.719
<v Speaker 1>hit to this person. I actually don't know if it

733
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:36.920
<v Speaker 1>was a female or male, but the story was so

734
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:41.440
<v Speaker 1>crazy that the officer didn't believe her and thought she

735
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 1>was making it up. So she left it at that

736
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and never reported it.

737
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:49.559
<v Speaker 2>Are you serious? Yeah, another one of these It was

738
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.639
<v Speaker 2>reported and someone just brushed it down. That is the

739
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:56.679
<v Speaker 2>biggest like like that theme going through these cases, Like

740
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:59.559
<v Speaker 2>it is it's a crazy story because this is crazy.

741
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:01.960
<v Speaker 1>But it's like, I mean, it's like your job. Maybe

742
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:04.760
<v Speaker 1>just like go there, like pay a little.

743
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Visit, just check it out, do your job.

744
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:08.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean he was off duty at the time.

745
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:12.320
<v Speaker 2>But so I don't know, maybe I have some dignity

746
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.440
<v Speaker 2>and human decency and actually care for someone to listen

747
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:16.639
<v Speaker 2>to that, like holy fuck.

748
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know, maybe she didn't seem like a

749
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:24.000
<v Speaker 1>very reputable person, but like still, I don't do people

750
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:26.239
<v Speaker 1>make up stories that they're just like tortured or rape

751
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:26.760
<v Speaker 1>for days.

752
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure some do, but it should be investigated regardless.

753
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So then there was a third victim named Kelly

754
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.119
<v Speaker 1>gret I think that's how you say it, and her

755
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:43.199
<v Speaker 1>stories are going wild. So she was found by coming

756
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.639
<v Speaker 1>forward after the FBI release some footage they had found

757
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:50.119
<v Speaker 1>dating back to nineteen ninety six showing a woman's strap

758
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:53.519
<v Speaker 1>to the gynecology table David had in his toy room.

759
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:57.159
<v Speaker 1>The woman, Kelly, had an identifying tattoo on her leg

760
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:03.000
<v Speaker 1>that the FBI was hoping someone would recognize, and sure enough,

761
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Kelly saw that video and knew that was her tattoo.

762
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.440
<v Speaker 1>She would apparently have nightmares of terrible things happening to her,

763
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.199
<v Speaker 1>but could never put any of it together. She just

764
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:15.599
<v Speaker 1>figured she was like having like weird nightmares of her

765
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:16.280
<v Speaker 1>being tied.

766
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Up and shit, like his brainwashing got so fucking deep.

767
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Who would have ever thought that's even possible.

768
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>So she ended up having a lot of it like

769
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:26.679
<v Speaker 1>come back to her, able to come back to her.

770
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:30.880
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like she like she didn't know, like she

771
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.079
<v Speaker 1>recognized his tattoo and was like, holy shit, like that's

772
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:34.519
<v Speaker 1>my that's my motherfucker tattoo.

773
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.639
<v Speaker 2>That situation of seeing yourself on a table like that.

774
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, tied up?

775
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.559
<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine what's real?

776
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:39.880
<v Speaker 4>That all?

777
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I think I like, I think I

778
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>would just like it didn't like the video didn't show

779
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.679
<v Speaker 1>anything like well it was like gross, but like he

780
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:49.719
<v Speaker 1>was just like touching her thigh and stuff like it

781
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:51.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't like, I mean, there may be even more to it,

782
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.000
<v Speaker 1>but ah, what they released wasn't.

783
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Like watching that happen. I bet she could like almost

784
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.559
<v Speaker 2>feel it fucking happening. Holy shit. Wow yep.

785
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.599
<v Speaker 1>So she later testified that she had gotten in a

786
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.159
<v Speaker 1>fight with her husband and decided to spend the night

787
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:11.800
<v Speaker 1>playing pool with friends. One of those friends was David's daughter, Jesse.

788
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Ray ah shit.

789
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.760
<v Speaker 1>When the night was over, Jesse offered to give Kelly

790
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:19.199
<v Speaker 1>a ride home, but said that she had to stop

791
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:21.440
<v Speaker 1>at her dad's house on the way home or on

792
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the way, which, like you would just never think that

793
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:25.760
<v Speaker 1>would be an issue.

794
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:28.239
<v Speaker 2>You're trusting a friend, Okay, you gonna stop your dad's cool?

795
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Cool, like right on, like right on, Like I would

796
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:32.599
<v Speaker 1>just think that would just never cross my mind that

797
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:33.360
<v Speaker 1>would be a problem.

798
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oh, we're stopping your dad's place. Cool. By the way,

799
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.480
<v Speaker 2>is he a like serial rapist and murderer?

800
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Just by this you have like a toy box, like

801
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:41.119
<v Speaker 1>just making sure.

802
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, these are questions you should always ask.

803
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:45.840
<v Speaker 1>So there you go, just like you're never gonna have

804
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:47.440
<v Speaker 1>another friend in your life.

805
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Right, moral of the story, we don't need friends. Fuck

806
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:53.000
<v Speaker 2>people listen to podcasts about people dying. That's what you

807
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:53.519
<v Speaker 2>did to time.

808
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Okay. So once they were there, David

809
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:01.840
<v Speaker 1>and Jesse basically like confronted her, tied her up, and

810
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:06.199
<v Speaker 1>drugged her. Kelly had endured three days of torture and drugging,

811
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.960
<v Speaker 1>drugging for which she was only coherent for bits and pieces.

812
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.920
<v Speaker 1>When David was done with her. He dropped her off

813
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:18.039
<v Speaker 1>at home, saying he found her wandering along the lake

814
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:21.159
<v Speaker 1>Front beach and he was able to do this. And

815
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.599
<v Speaker 1>because I haven't mentioned this yet, but he was a

816
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.760
<v Speaker 1>park ranger, so he was like wearing his uniform, looking

817
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:32.119
<v Speaker 1>like irrespectable human being, and he was like just being

818
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:34.079
<v Speaker 1>a nice guy, like I found her wandering around like

819
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:37.559
<v Speaker 1>a state park, like here she is, dang.

820
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:39.159
<v Speaker 2>And then she doesn't report anything.

821
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Well because she didn't report because she had no idea,

822
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:43.159
<v Speaker 1>she didn't remember anything happened.

823
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I'm not blaming her, That's what I mean.

824
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:46.320
<v Speaker 2>And that's his plan. And then and then she didn't

825
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.159
<v Speaker 2>report anything. So he's just continuing to be this quote

826
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:53.400
<v Speaker 2>unquote respectable individual when really he's actually the fucking scum

827
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:55.239
<v Speaker 2>to stuck to the shit on the bottom of your

828
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:56.119
<v Speaker 2>shoe that you stepped in.

829
00:41:56.320 --> 00:42:04.639
<v Speaker 1>Yep, Like he's Nasty's nasty. So besides his partners of

830
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Jesse Ray and Cindy Hendy, there was also Dennis Roy Yancy,

831
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:12.360
<v Speaker 1>which leads us to another victim.

832
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Can we call him Dennis the Menace please? Okay? That

833
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:19.000
<v Speaker 2>made me happy.

834
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 1>So the other victim is Marie Parker and I'm not

835
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:26.280
<v Speaker 1>certain about this, but some reports say that this was

836
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:29.840
<v Speaker 1>like Dennis the MENACE's girlfriend or like former girlfriend or something.

837
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I like how you're rolling with. Okay, just for the record,

838
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:35.199
<v Speaker 2>what was his actual name again?

839
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Dennis Roy Yancy.

840
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, in case you guys need to look it up,

841
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:39.880
<v Speaker 2>there you go.

842
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:41.840
<v Speaker 1>But from here and out, Dennis the Menace. Because I

843
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:43.840
<v Speaker 1>have Google Dennis the Menace, you probably won't find him.

844
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:49.360
<v Speaker 1>So after raping and torturing Marie, David forced Dennis the

845
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Menace to murder her by strangling her. It's like, okay, ticket, seriously,

846
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.480
<v Speaker 1>should I stop saying Dennis the Menace? But yeah, you

847
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.559
<v Speaker 1>can get serious, like he just murdered someone in your life.

848
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:11.840
<v Speaker 2>He's just talking about Dennis the Menace.

849
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.159
<v Speaker 1>We have to get it together, Okay, Okay, I want

850
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:21.320
<v Speaker 1>to start giggling her. Okay, So dead the Menace?

851
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's enough. Just Dennis, just.

852
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Dennis, Okay, So day would force him to murder like

853
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:34.519
<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend. They then buried her body in the desert.

854
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 1>But when Dennis admitted this in questioning and like he

855
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:42.599
<v Speaker 1>would said he would go help them locate the body. Okay,

856
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I still am like, are.

857
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Keep it together?

858
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:49.920
<v Speaker 1>So they like Dennis said he would go help, like

859
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 1>the I try to find Marie, right, like he knew

860
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:55.760
<v Speaker 1>he remembered where the hell they buried her, but when

861
00:43:55.800 --> 00:44:00.280
<v Speaker 1>they went there, couldn't find her. Really, so they think

862
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:04.199
<v Speaker 1>David moved the body. The body like he was very

863
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:05.679
<v Speaker 1>good at covering all his tracks.

864
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, I hate to give him this credit, but he

865
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.119
<v Speaker 2>is smart. He's very intelligent. Clearly he's done his fucking homework.

866
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:15.000
<v Speaker 2>He's made sure he's covering his bases.

867
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.679
<v Speaker 1>No, so the FBI sent one hundred agents to examine

868
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:26.519
<v Speaker 1>David's property and surroundings, but no identifiable human regains were found.

869
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:30.599
<v Speaker 1>They never located a single body tied to David.

870
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Not one shit, not.

871
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:38.199
<v Speaker 1>One, which I think is crazy because he I mean,

872
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.679
<v Speaker 1>I say it later, but like it's upwards, like they

873
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:46.119
<v Speaker 1>think that he killed at least forty people like nothing.

874
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:49.320
<v Speaker 2>So let me get the straight. He has never had

875
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 2>a charge for murder under his belt.

876
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:55.039
<v Speaker 1>No, we'll get there.

877
00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:01.039
<v Speaker 2>But no, even though in the tape he talks about people.

878
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:03.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they never found a body, like they don't

879
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:04.280
<v Speaker 1>have the evidence.

880
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Right, Wow, Okay, I mean arguably he can find I know.

881
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:15.360
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that. Okay, I feel like that's just yeah,

882
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know I found that weird too, But anyway,

883
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:20.719
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna move on here, We're gonna move on from that.

884
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:25.679
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about it again, Okay. And just one more

885
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:28.000
<v Speaker 1>touch point that I want to say has how careful

886
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.760
<v Speaker 1>he was is he had a journal that contained dozens

887
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.280
<v Speaker 1>of entries, dates, and the number of times he tortured

888
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:38.559
<v Speaker 1>each victim, but names were never associated, like he never

889
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:42.679
<v Speaker 1>wrote down their names or anything. A couple theories for

890
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:46.280
<v Speaker 1>where the bodies could be, being that he's a park ranger,

891
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:49.400
<v Speaker 1>he had access to a lot of private areas that

892
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.639
<v Speaker 1>were like off the beaten path potentially right and Elephant

893
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Butte Lake, which was right near his home, is the

894
00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:00.880
<v Speaker 1>largest body of water New Mexico, covering over forty acres,

895
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:04.559
<v Speaker 1>So it's like basically impossible to search the whole lake.

896
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm assuming it's probably got some pretty deep spots too, where, Yeah.

897
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Very deep spots, because they did find a map of

898
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the lake in his home and there was an ex

899
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:20.719
<v Speaker 1>labeled yeah, but they had no luck finding like a body. Jeez,

900
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.079
<v Speaker 1>Like just crazy, but.

901
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Knowing him, that could have been something to lead him

902
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:25.239
<v Speaker 2>completely off the trail.

903
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:32.039
<v Speaker 1>Actually yeah, yeah, because the and this wasn't another I

904
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:35.360
<v Speaker 1>don't remember exactly a video or something. Cindy did say

905
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.599
<v Speaker 1>like he knew what to do for making sure the

906
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:42.960
<v Speaker 1>bodies like stayed underwater. But then if he knew what

907
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.119
<v Speaker 1>to do, that means like he must have experimented. So

908
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's just crazy that like he just is.

909
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:51.320
<v Speaker 1>There's just no body ever found, Like it's just crazy,

910
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:52.239
<v Speaker 1>like just crazy.

911
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:53.519
<v Speaker 4>Ah.

912
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:57.800
<v Speaker 1>So that basically brings us like to the convictions. Dennis

913
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.920
<v Speaker 1>was convicted of second degree murder and of conspiracy to

914
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:05.480
<v Speaker 1>commit first degree murder and was sentenced to two fifteen

915
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.239
<v Speaker 1>year prison terms. But you might have a question that

916
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:11.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm an answer. Okay, this seems like a like a

917
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:12.480
<v Speaker 1>harsh sentence.

918
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Possibly right, yes, because my hand is literally but.

919
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:19.280
<v Speaker 1>He pleaded guilty in court. He pleaded guilty. A speculation

920
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:23.119
<v Speaker 1>that David had something to do with that he was

921
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:28.000
<v Speaker 1>like manipulating him behind bars, like he got a note

922
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:31.800
<v Speaker 1>that basically said something like rats don't do well in prison.

923
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:37.320
<v Speaker 1>So instead of like you know, saying not guilty because

924
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that he necessarily deserved thirty years in prison, yeah,

925
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:44.079
<v Speaker 1>he just pleaded guilty. Because he was scared shitless of David,

926
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:52.079
<v Speaker 1>so he got a freaking murder charge. Wow, okay, okay, Cindy,

927
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.360
<v Speaker 1>oh oh oh yeah. This leads me to my other clip.

928
00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I have a short clip to play from an interview

929
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:01.639
<v Speaker 1>she did that aired on the Discovery Channel.

930
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:02.559
<v Speaker 2>I think it was okay.

931
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:05.199
<v Speaker 1>She had only been date with David for under a

932
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:09.039
<v Speaker 1>year when he was caught, but she knew like a

933
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:11.079
<v Speaker 1>lot and didn't do anything to stop it. But I

934
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.320
<v Speaker 1>was like, it's surprising, like he had other lady friends,

935
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.079
<v Speaker 1>I think, right. So he apparently told her he had

936
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:18.679
<v Speaker 1>killed at least one girl year for forty years, so

937
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:22.719
<v Speaker 1>that's like the forty Yeah. And though that scared her,

938
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:26.400
<v Speaker 1>it also interested her to get to know a serial killer,

939
00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:28.679
<v Speaker 1>which I'm like, oh my god, you could just like

940
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:31.960
<v Speaker 1>run with the fucking hills. But okay, weren't.

941
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:33.400
<v Speaker 2>You saying something like that the other day. You'd like

942
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:34.440
<v Speaker 2>to meet a serial killer?

943
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but not like date Oh sorry, but not like

944
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:41.400
<v Speaker 1>date one and live with one.

945
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, that's fair.

946
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Maybe like if they're behind bars, and I just got

947
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:47.239
<v Speaker 1>to be like, wow, Dick, you're freaking weird.

948
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:50.440
<v Speaker 2>You're freaking weird. That's another t shirt from the Coole

949
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.719
<v Speaker 2>that were gonna get made one day. You're hi, You're

950
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:53.360
<v Speaker 2>freaking weird.

951
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So here's here's Cindy's clip.

952
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.440
<v Speaker 4>What did you think doing these things to other women?

953
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:06.159
<v Speaker 4>I had no remorse at the time. It was like

954
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:13.199
<v Speaker 4>a slow motion. I was there and I don't think

955
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:15.920
<v Speaker 4>I had any failing one way or the other. I

956
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.239
<v Speaker 4>didn't hate Cindy. I just didn't know her.

957
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.440
<v Speaker 2>And you were not horrified.

958
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:25.320
<v Speaker 4>No, nothing durssic was happening. There was no blood or

959
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.519
<v Speaker 4>she wasn't being beat to a pulp or anything, you know.

960
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:32.920
<v Speaker 4>So was there to be horrified over?

961
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:39.239
<v Speaker 2>What's there to be horrified over? What?

962
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:42.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Like gross?

963
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Fuck her so much?

964
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:46.000
<v Speaker 1>To be horrified over? Are you kidding me? Are you

965
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:46.519
<v Speaker 1>kidding me?

966
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Fuck her?

967
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, So, Cindy was also manipulated by David Wall in

968
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:57.840
<v Speaker 1>jail and recanted her confession, saying she made it all

969
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.760
<v Speaker 1>up because she did like a full on confession. She

970
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:03.360
<v Speaker 1>was sentenced in two thousand for her roles in the

971
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:09.239
<v Speaker 1>abduction and torture of Cynthia and Angelica, receiving thirty six

972
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:15.079
<v Speaker 1>years behind bars, but after serving half her sentence, Cindy,

973
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:16.400
<v Speaker 1>it's now a free bird.

974
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Of course she's a free bird.

975
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:27.280
<v Speaker 1>But I mean eighteen years Ah, I don't know, she.

976
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Should be locked up. That's not very long time. Yeah,

977
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:31.599
<v Speaker 2>she should also be put in the toy box and

978
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:33.400
<v Speaker 2>all those victims that she was involved in.

979
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:35.679
<v Speaker 1>Because at first I was kind of like, Okay, maybe

980
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:37.760
<v Speaker 1>she's not like a terrible person. But then when I

981
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.519
<v Speaker 1>read or listened to that, I was like, actually, you

982
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:42.679
<v Speaker 1>are I her.

983
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:44.519
<v Speaker 2>People can just recan't confessions?

984
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, well, because I don't know, like he got

985
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:48.960
<v Speaker 1>to her too while.

986
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:51.239
<v Speaker 2>She was Yeah, but even still, like imagine going into

987
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.400
<v Speaker 2>work one day, going up to your boss in their

988
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:56.000
<v Speaker 2>face and be like, hey, fucked tart, fuck you your

989
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:58.119
<v Speaker 2>piece of shit, and then going to work and then

990
00:50:58.119 --> 00:50:59.639
<v Speaker 2>your boss an hour later calls you in the office

991
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:03.000
<v Speaker 2>and be like, look, we gotta fire you. And you're like, why, well,

992
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:05.639
<v Speaker 2>listen what you said to me earlier. That's unacceptable. Oh

993
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:06.559
<v Speaker 2>I take that back.

994
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:09.159
<v Speaker 1>It's okay, I know, but like in court, you can

995
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 1>just take.

996
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Shit back, right like what the fuck?

997
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:14.519
<v Speaker 1>Which is crazy?

998
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you can't take back raping those people. You can't

999
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:20.199
<v Speaker 2>take back murdering those people. Why can you take that back?

1000
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:25.480
<v Speaker 1>So as her Jesse, the daughter her father actually offered

1001
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:28.760
<v Speaker 1>to plead guilties to certain charges in order to get

1002
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:33.360
<v Speaker 1>her like released, So she served two and a half

1003
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:36.599
<v Speaker 1>years in jail. But that we know of, she was

1004
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.519
<v Speaker 1>only like involved with Kelly. But I mean, like that

1005
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:40.079
<v Speaker 1>we know of.

1006
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:40.840
<v Speaker 2>You know she was.

1007
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Speaker 1>She's probably crazy too. So we're almost wrapping up here.

1008
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:46.599
<v Speaker 1>I know this is like a bit of a longer

1009
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:50.079
<v Speaker 1>episode than we usually have, but like I didn't want

1010
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:52.000
<v Speaker 1>to stop it and make you guys like have to

1011
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:54.880
<v Speaker 1>wait a day because like we need to disclose this. Yeah,

1012
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:56.079
<v Speaker 1>it just needs to be closed.

1013
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't want to drag this on.

1014
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:01.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So that and so they were just it brings

1015
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:04.480
<v Speaker 1>us to David. So he was convicted in two thousand

1016
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:06.559
<v Speaker 1>and one. I don't think you're going to be happy then.

1017
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm going to be either.

1018
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Okay. There were numerous trials, but in

1019
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:14.639
<v Speaker 1>the end, David was sentenced to over two hundred years

1020
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:18.760
<v Speaker 1>in prison for his offenses of abduction and sexual torture.

1021
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I like that.

1022
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:24.800
<v Speaker 1>But David never admitted to any murders, though in two

1023
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.639
<v Speaker 1>thousand and two he let authorities know he was willing

1024
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:34.719
<v Speaker 1>to talk, okay, but our meeting was scheduled, but David

1025
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.599
<v Speaker 1>died of a heart attack before it took place.

1026
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Fucking serious.

1027
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:42.960
<v Speaker 1>He served a total of three years of his two

1028
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:44.679
<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty four year sentence.

1029
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Fucking kidding me, he died. I'm fucking glad he's dead.

1030
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I know likely people didn't want that, Like

1031
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:56.639
<v Speaker 1>there was even the victim saying like you know, like

1032
00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:59.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe execute or whatever, but like they wanted him to

1033
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:02.639
<v Speaker 1>like suffer. Yeah, and like he just where's the just

1034
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:05.440
<v Speaker 1>where just dies? And he was just about I think

1035
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.440
<v Speaker 1>to probably maybe even admit to more. Who knows. Yeah,

1036
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:11.360
<v Speaker 1>like there's bodies, there's I don't know, Like there's so

1037
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:13.360
<v Speaker 1>much that's just never going to be known now. I

1038
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:15.719
<v Speaker 1>think they can't find a single body or nothing.

1039
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:18.840
<v Speaker 2>I really hope he's in a fucking toy box in

1040
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:21.599
<v Speaker 2>a place that's fucking burning for the rest of his

1041
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:24.760
<v Speaker 2>fucking eternity. Yeah, and he's got some little fucking minion

1042
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:28.960
<v Speaker 2>zoning around doing exactly what he had done to those girls.

1043
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.400
<v Speaker 1>There is like a website that has a whole bunch

1044
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:34.960
<v Speaker 1>of like pieces of jewelry and stuff that you can

1045
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.079
<v Speaker 1>look at to see like if you like recognize it

1046
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:41.000
<v Speaker 1>of like maybe I loved ones or something, because yeah,

1047
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.960
<v Speaker 1>they're just like what did they do? You know?

1048
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we'll link that link in the show notes here.

1049
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:48.519
<v Speaker 2>Do you have that website?

1050
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I saved it, but I can

1051
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:51.119
<v Speaker 1>find it again.

1052
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well we'll see if you can put it down below.

1053
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:55.280
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so that's the story.

1054
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Of the toy box asshole.

1055
00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:00.519
<v Speaker 1>The toy box Killer and Dennis the Menace. Yeah, but

1056
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:02.639
<v Speaker 1>he's called the killer but yeah, they think it's not

1057
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:04.599
<v Speaker 1>charge with any murder, so he is a killer.

1058
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.639
<v Speaker 2>He's clearly a fucking killer.

1059
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Dennis the Menacing. Goodness for that because that was

1060
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:12.599
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of camp really for everyone a little bit.

1061
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:14.519
<v Speaker 2>You were literally crying, you were laughing.

1062
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.440
<v Speaker 1>I was crying. Yeah, it was. It was perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that was a good well not a good episode,

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<v Speaker 2>but uh, well done on the research and delivery.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you well with that makes you guys

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<v Speaker 1>stay wicked.
