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Speaker 6: Brown Welcome back truthseekers from around the world. It's time
Speaker 6: for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I'm
Speaker 6: your host is always George Hobbs. As we record on
Speaker 6: this February the twenty fifth, twenty twenty five, It's a
Speaker 6: beautiful day here in the Mid Atlantic region. I hope
Speaker 6: everybody is doing well. We have a great guest standing
Speaker 6: by joining us from Sweden. We'll have John on in
Speaker 6: just a moment before we do, just two quick reminders.
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Speaker 6: we continue to make our schedule through March without any
Speaker 6: further ado, let's bring on today's guest from across the Pond,
Speaker 6: if you will. His name is John, and how are
Speaker 6: you today.
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine, George.
Speaker 3: How are you doing doing well?
Speaker 6: It's a pleasure to finally meet you after back and
Speaker 6: forth for it seems like about the last month or so.
Speaker 6: But it's great to have you on. And you have
Speaker 6: a very interesting story. I love hearing people's kind of
Speaker 6: awakening process. And before we get into the conversation, why
Speaker 6: don't you take a few moments and introduce yourself to
Speaker 6: the audience.
Speaker 7: All right, Well, like you said, my name is John,
Speaker 7: I'm fifty two years of age. I was born and
Speaker 7: raised in the northern part of Sweden.
Speaker 1: What else?
Speaker 7: I worked as a roof I'm married the wonderful woman
Speaker 7: and it's a few years back.
Speaker 1: It's actually my second wife.
Speaker 7: Have two biological sons from previous relationships. Their age, oh,
Speaker 7: let me see, it's twenty one and thirty one. And
Speaker 7: then I have two bonus kids from my previous or
Speaker 7: my present marriage, which is a boy of living and
Speaker 7: a girl.
Speaker 1: Eight.
Speaker 7: Yes, they just turned eleven and eight, and also have
Speaker 7: a bonus son in the US.
Speaker 1: It'll be twenty five soon.
Speaker 7: I spent close to ten years living in the US. Well,
Speaker 7: my life here where nature loving people. Me and my wife.
Speaker 7: We're hiking, camping, fishing, all those things are high up
Speaker 7: on the list of things to do. Also enjoy gardening
Speaker 7: and doing small projects around the house.
Speaker 1: Animals.
Speaker 7: We have a dog, two cats, a few chicken and
Speaker 7: I guess that's that's about it.
Speaker 1: Sums it up.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 6: And if you're to be an outdoors person and to
Speaker 6: be in Sweden must be incredible, especially the fishing up
Speaker 6: there and with the.
Speaker 3: Chickens as well.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you've been tained paying attention to
Speaker 6: the news over here that they're starting to do the
Speaker 6: vaccine with the chickens and the protein.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 6: When I did my radio program last week, I talked
Speaker 6: pretty in depth about how if you go back through
Speaker 6: the history of eggs, back during World War One, they
Speaker 6: encouraged every American you know, for every one person in
Speaker 6: your household, two hens, and then here you are, one
Speaker 6: hundred years later, the egg shortage, the mass culling of eggs.
Speaker 6: Even I probably jumped too far ahead. I don't recall,
Speaker 6: or if you recall, back in the seventies, we were
Speaker 6: told that eggs.
Speaker 3: Were bad for you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 6: And at the same time they had this push with
Speaker 6: the cereal companies how healthy they were in you know,
Speaker 6: special k which was always advertised as this super healthy
Speaker 6: cereal is actually one of the worst worst cereals you
Speaker 6: could eat, very bad for you. So, you know, that
Speaker 6: is something that not really until my later years have
Speaker 6: I really come to find the lies of like the
Speaker 6: food pyramid and just all the other things.
Speaker 3: You know, again, eggs are bad for you.
Speaker 6: I guess where were you in your you know life
Speaker 6: when you started to realize that a lot of the
Speaker 6: things that we were told was a lie.
Speaker 7: Well, I guess it came in like different steps and
Speaker 7: the whole food and and well, I guess medicine and
Speaker 7: all that that that came about in I would say
Speaker 7: around two thousand and fourteen.
Speaker 1: I guess that was when.
Speaker 7: My my ex wife, who was she's an American, she
Speaker 7: moved with me to Sweden when I moved back, and
Speaker 7: she was diagnosed with the cancer. Poor research here I
Speaker 7: did not find like figure out the translation of the
Speaker 7: type of can answer. But it's it's in your in
Speaker 7: the neck and it's like right on the side on
Speaker 7: the bottom of it the jaw, and she had a tumor.
Speaker 7: And well, when I don't know if I should I
Speaker 7: tell the whole story about that now or just tell
Speaker 7: you that's that's when I realized that what we eat
Speaker 7: and what we're prescribed and all that, it's lots of
Speaker 7: lies there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And if you break it down to brass tacks, as
Speaker 6: I said many times, as being healthy people is not
Speaker 6: good for the far the medical industry right because it
Speaker 6: has become a business not just here but around the world,
Speaker 6: and and and a healthy person that does not farewell
Speaker 6: for the medical industry.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, that's if if they carry you right away, then
Speaker 7: you're not a customer anymore, exactly basically keeping you sick
Speaker 7: and keeping you. Are you abscribing to their medication?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? Absolutely? Are you have the belief that? And then
Speaker 6: you know it's the Flat Earth Files. We'll get into
Speaker 6: your journey to flat Earth and then we'll come back
Speaker 6: to this conversation. But just while we're right here, do
Speaker 6: you believe that they have known cures for all of
Speaker 6: these things? You know, you can insert illness here, whether
Speaker 6: it be cancer or cystic fibrosis.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can run down the list.
Speaker 6: Do you think that they And of course, when I
Speaker 6: say they, you know the powers that be, Do you
Speaker 6: think they have and are able to treat these illnesses?
Speaker 6: And maybe that's the reason when you see a Rockefeller
Speaker 6: or a rothschild die either a hundred or one hundred
Speaker 6: and two years old.
Speaker 1: I actually don't believe that they have the cure.
Speaker 7: I believe that they know the cause of the right
Speaker 7: the problem, and there is no medicine for it. It's
Speaker 7: just go back to God and go back to what
Speaker 7: God gave us. And that's pretty much. And if you
Speaker 7: stick to that, then there's basically nothing it's gonna you know,
Speaker 7: it's not going to affect you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's difficult because they do poisonous from the air,
Speaker 6: you know, the chemtrails here every other day for the
Speaker 6: folks who live in the city, the fluoridated water. And
Speaker 6: then again, if you go to the grocery store. I
Speaker 6: did this last time I went. Number one, I was
Speaker 6: shocked at how much everything costs. But number two, probably
Speaker 6: sixty percent of the the like boxed items, canned items
Speaker 6: have bioengineer foods in them.
Speaker 1: INGREDI it's basically a game of pick your poison. When
Speaker 1: you go to the store. Yeah, all it's all bad
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 6: It is, it really is. Outside of the fruits and
Speaker 6: things of that. Let's get into your journey to flat
Speaker 6: Earth because obviously you've gone down many of the rabbit holes,
Speaker 6: many of them the medical industry, the food industry. But
Speaker 6: let's talk about how you came upon flat Earth.
Speaker 7: Well, when it comes to I don't know, I like
Speaker 7: to call it being conspiracy aware, not con theorist. That
Speaker 7: that started, like for a lot of people that started
Speaker 7: the same way, it was like nine to eleven and
Speaker 7: everything that came after that.
Speaker 1: Short story there.
Speaker 7: I actually my first visit to the US was in
Speaker 7: late August of two thousand and one. I stayed for
Speaker 7: a couple of weeks and I went back to Sweden
Speaker 7: the day before nine to eleven. So I came home
Speaker 7: to Sweden and I went to visit my mom to
Speaker 7: talk about my trip, tell her about my adventure, and we're.
Speaker 1: Sitting on her couch and.
Speaker 7: The news was on in the background on the radio,
Speaker 7: and we heard about it from on the TV. It's
Speaker 7: all the whole thing. So I guess I managed to
Speaker 7: escape one day before it happened, so that was lucky.
Speaker 7: But then it was a couple of months before I
Speaker 7: could get back on a plane go back to the
Speaker 7: US because I had met my my ex wife when
Speaker 7: I was there on vacation.
Speaker 6: Continue I apologize, Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so kind of lost it there.
Speaker 6: You would escaped the day before basically nine eleven, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I got back and and I was fine,
Speaker 7: But then it was a couple of months before I
Speaker 7: could get back on a plane and go back to
Speaker 7: the US to continue, you know, the relationship with my
Speaker 7: my ex wife. And so it's kind of a close call.
Speaker 7: I guess, if you want to call it that. I
Speaker 7: don't really think that all of that happened the way
Speaker 7: they say it happened.
Speaker 8: But anyway, flat Earth was kind of I guess you
Speaker 8: could call it a progression of things because you used
Speaker 8: to it started with nine to eleven, got into the
Speaker 8: whole medical thing, the food, and.
Speaker 7: Once you're aware of the lives, then you're just you know,
Speaker 7: you're going to be a lot more attentive to things
Speaker 7: that's going wrong going on around you. And it started
Speaker 7: with this telegram channel that I was on. I guess
Speaker 7: that would have been maybe two or three years ago,
Speaker 7: and there was this guy that came popping popping up
Speaker 7: in one of the channels that I was on. I
Speaker 7: don't know his name, but I think someone's mentioned him before.
Speaker 7: It might have been Caleb or something like that, a
Speaker 7: blonde guy, and he kept popping up and I just
Speaker 7: kept ignoring it.
Speaker 1: I'm hearing a bit of it. Echo. Is that a
Speaker 1: problem on your side or is it just on my side?
Speaker 3: Now you're coming through Crystal Clear here?
Speaker 7: Okay, great, So I I kind of just I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't listen to it or click on it or anything.
Speaker 7: But after a while, my first my first reaction was
Speaker 7: people still believe that. I mean, it's like seriously falling
Speaker 7: off the earth whatever. So I clicked on it once
Speaker 7: out of curios curiosity, and I guess something that he said,
Speaker 7: I don't remember what it was kind of got me
Speaker 7: intrigued and I started looking into it. And one of
Speaker 7: the first places I went to was, well, of course,
Speaker 7: I did a few Google searches, which is about the
Speaker 7: dumbest thing you can possibly do when you want to
Speaker 7: find the truth truth about anything. But I I found
Speaker 7: your podcast, and that was my That was step one.
Speaker 7: I listened to the very first episode by the lie
Speaker 7: and that was less than a year ago, and.
Speaker 1: That opened my eyes.
Speaker 7: Like I I at first, I was very skeptical, I guess,
Speaker 7: and but it's just something about the way that you
Speaker 7: present things and you come across as very real, honest,
Speaker 7: and I absolutely love the way you interact with you guests.
Speaker 7: It's just very different from any of the podcasts that
Speaker 7: I've ever listened to about on any subject. So that
Speaker 7: kept me going and kept me listening. And since I've
Speaker 7: had I've had too I don't know if I want
Speaker 7: to call myself a Christian, but I've I've had some
Speaker 7: sort of a belief in God, a creator every since
Speaker 7: that was a child that had this one experience that
Speaker 7: kind of swung me that way. But I haven't been
Speaker 7: very active with it. I've gone to church and periods,
Speaker 7: but never really like dove deep into it. And I
Speaker 7: I glanced through the Bible every once in a while.
Speaker 7: I look for passages that kind of fit me right now.
Speaker 7: And yeah, I wish your podcast one that got me
Speaker 7: on track with with the flat earth and understanding.
Speaker 3: That, well, that's very humbling.
Speaker 1: We don't we don't, we don't leave them.
Speaker 6: At ball exactly, but I think your story sounds similar
Speaker 6: to mine, to whereas you had gone down other say
Speaker 6: rabbit holes, And for me it was once you start
Speaker 6: to understand that, wow, everything since almost the beginning of
Speaker 6: time at least, you know, has has lies intertwined it.
Speaker 6: It if not flat out lies, why would this one thing?
Speaker 6: When you take a step back and you look at
Speaker 6: the spinning, the speeds, the distances, just everything that's involved
Speaker 6: in it, you just kind of say, man, you know,
Speaker 6: how did I buy into this?
Speaker 3: But yeah, and everybody has different experiences.
Speaker 6: For me, it was you know, obviously I've made it
Speaker 6: very clear it was a two week ordeal, But for you,
Speaker 6: you were like many of the other people's just in
Speaker 6: of course moment.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it was exactly.
Speaker 7: It's when first, when when I really got it, it
Speaker 7: was just like, well, of course, it is like, how
Speaker 7: could I not have seen that before?
Speaker 1: How did I?
Speaker 7: Because I am I consider myself being a pretty awake person.
Speaker 7: I'm not I'm not very much below average intelligence. I
Speaker 7: think that I should have seen it. I just felt
Speaker 7: like I should have seen it. But yeah, I just
Speaker 7: felt like, of course it is. It makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3: What would you.
Speaker 6: If you were to point out some suspects, right, that
Speaker 6: were involved in the hijacking of our minds to get
Speaker 6: us to believe these lives. Who would you say that
Speaker 6: the top three suspects would be so for in my case,
Speaker 6: I would probably say the education system would be number one.
Speaker 6: You could say the military industrial complex because if you
Speaker 6: take a close look NASA, the space agencies, all the
Speaker 6: companies who are involved in the military industrial complex are
Speaker 6: also the same companies involved in quote unquote the space
Speaker 6: race or whatever you want to call it, the ones
Speaker 6: responsible for making the all of the equipment, the rockets,
Speaker 6: et cetera. To me in retrospect, it was this is
Speaker 6: how the military industrial complex was able to make money
Speaker 6: during quote unquote peacetime, right.
Speaker 3: And I hear.
Speaker 6: The Cold War all the time, and I kind of
Speaker 6: laughed because nothing really happened. We're told that we were,
Speaker 6: you know, just so close to coming to blows with
Speaker 6: Russia in the early sixties and everything. Yeah, but digress again,
Speaker 6: who do you think of the main contributors to the lie?
Speaker 7: Well, of course I could list the same you know suspects,
Speaker 7: the school system, the education all of that is.
Speaker 1: A huge part in.
Speaker 7: Shaping our minds from a very young age, and you know,
Speaker 7: it's just going down to go back to when my
Speaker 7: parents were children. They started later in school and they
Speaker 7: didn't spend as many years in school, and my grandparents
Speaker 7: even less.
Speaker 1: So of course, it's it's a growing thing. They start
Speaker 1: earlier and they just go harder.
Speaker 7: So that's a big thing. But somewhere, I mean it
Speaker 7: started somewhere a lot before schools, I would say. The
Speaker 7: number one suspect is of course the guy that sometimes
Speaker 7: it as a red being with horns and the tale
Speaker 7: and whatnot. Yeah, that's where it all stems from. It's
Speaker 7: his struggle. It's his battle to just steal souls away
Speaker 7: from God, and all the other ones are just foot
Speaker 7: soldiers that are doing what they're told to do.
Speaker 6: Indeed, and that's something I feel sometimes like I have
Speaker 6: different conversations when I'm trying to talk to people. If
Speaker 6: I'm discussing something with someone who is of faith, I'll
Speaker 6: cite the Bible, et cetera. And you know, if you're
Speaker 6: trying to have a conversation with an atheist, it's a
Speaker 6: little bit of a different kind of direction you need
Speaker 6: to come from. Eventually, you still want to bring up
Speaker 6: God and try to present God to them and the
Speaker 6: Gospel of Jesus. But you know, you know, there's when
Speaker 6: you're trying to submit to truth to people. You know,
Speaker 6: there is the things of the world, like we said,
Speaker 6: like the education system, this, that and the other thing.
Speaker 6: But you made it perfectly clear, and you made a
Speaker 6: great statement that these are simply the foot soldiers of Satan.
Speaker 3: Because at the end of the day, you know, I
Speaker 3: find it funny that.
Speaker 6: All these we we do have a lot of atheists
Speaker 6: within the truth community, but they're very quick to point
Speaker 6: out that our government is run by Satan worshippers. So again,
Speaker 6: if if there's if Satan does exist, then you know,
Speaker 6: obviously there has to be a God. Yes, And am
Speaker 6: I assuming correctly that when you came upon flat earth
Speaker 6: that this opened your eyes more towards the Bible, et cetera.
Speaker 7: Yes, well, my eyes were opened, and and I I
Speaker 7: always prayed like from like I told you, I mentioned
Speaker 7: it briefly that I had an experience as a child
Speaker 7: that made me very aware of the fact that God exists.
Speaker 7: It wasn't anything spectacular, it was just I was unhappy
Speaker 7: one day at the daycare that I was at when
Speaker 7: I was a kid. And I remember running away from
Speaker 7: my daycare lady and into it was a little wooded
Speaker 7: area behind the house, and I sat there in a
Speaker 7: very tall grass and I sat down there and I
Speaker 7: just prayed, and I prayed for my mom to come
Speaker 7: pick me up. And well she didn't, not right then
Speaker 7: she came at the normal time. But the what happened
Speaker 7: was as soon as I prayed, I felt this peace
Speaker 7: and I was.
Speaker 1: I was at peace. I was I wasn't upset anymore.
Speaker 7: I went back to my daycare lady and I just
Speaker 7: went about my day is normal, and I was just calm, peaceful,
Speaker 7: and I will never forget that moment. So it's always
Speaker 7: been with me. But I haven't been active enough in
Speaker 7: my mind. And I guess it's a little bit like
Speaker 7: having having a girlfriend that lives in Japan when you're
Speaker 7: I don't know, in Sweden. Long distance, it's kind of
Speaker 7: hard to connect. It's kind of hard to feel that
Speaker 7: closeness and all that. And that's pretty much what flat
Speaker 7: Earth gave me, was the the feeling of being close
Speaker 7: to God and feeling that, I mean, he's right here,
Speaker 7: it's not someone that's long distance somewhere I don't know
Speaker 7: where it just signals coming.
Speaker 1: It's like He's right there. Yeah, that changed the whole thing.
Speaker 6: That is such a great analogy, and that is something
Speaker 6: that I try to stress And the same thing happened
Speaker 6: to me because it almost prior to that, you know,
Speaker 6: God was in this other dimension, right, and but but
Speaker 6: when you when I found flat Earth and I started
Speaker 6: reading the Bible correctly and understanding that you know, like
Speaker 6: you said, God is right above us looking down upon us.
Speaker 3: And that is the.
Speaker 6: Reason why we look up when we pray, because He
Speaker 6: is right above us. And it does bring that that
Speaker 6: sense of closeness and actual have real meaning just you're
Speaker 6: not you're not praying to It's really hard to explain,
Speaker 6: but but it it made me whole Like before that,
Speaker 6: even though it's interesting, like to me, I thought I
Speaker 6: was a good Christian before that, and then when you
Speaker 6: come full term and you see you're able to see
Speaker 6: the evils of the world, and how much more important
Speaker 6: it is just showing up to church one hour a
Speaker 6: week and being able to read the Bible and uh,
Speaker 6: you know, just that analogy you made with the closeness
Speaker 6: of it is uh is tremendous because it does give
Speaker 6: you that sense of closeness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes all the difference, It really does.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 6: Where in your in your journey, Well, before I proceed,
Speaker 6: obviously you heard the podcast, but you still had to
Speaker 6: do a do some research for yourself. When we talk
Speaker 6: about our you know, silver bullets, et cetera. What were
Speaker 6: the the examples that were provided to you or that
Speaker 6: you came upon that were like made it obvious that
Speaker 6: we weren't living on a ball.
Speaker 1: Well, there are a few different ones.
Speaker 7: I mean, I guess the number one thing after after
Speaker 7: you know, finding your podcast and listening to it, of course,
Speaker 7: I went outside and I realized that, yes, we can.
Speaker 1: See way too far.
Speaker 7: And like I live close to the mountain San Sweden,
Speaker 7: and like I said, we love hiking and camping and
Speaker 7: we go up in the mountains sometimes. And when you're
Speaker 7: on top of a mountain and you look out, there's
Speaker 7: no there's no different difference on where the horizon is.
Speaker 7: It's always high level, no matter how high you go,
Speaker 7: it's always eye level. And I've checked that from a plane.
Speaker 7: Even if you go above the clouds, the horizon goes
Speaker 7: with you because the clouds will then extend to hyge
Speaker 7: level and it's just as flat as what's below it.
Speaker 7: So yeah, that's that's one of the first ones that
Speaker 7: was and it's probably the obvious one for most people.
Speaker 7: It's like the first thing you do is start looking
Speaker 7: around and realizing that, yeah, I can see way further
Speaker 7: than the.
Speaker 1: I don't know, suggested curvature of the planet. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the first one.
Speaker 7: But I don't know which one affected me the most.
Speaker 7: I would almost have to go back to my notes,
Speaker 7: but I think that some of the ones that have
Speaker 7: actually experiment with and I've used it for a lot
Speaker 7: of people when I talk about this, and it's just
Speaker 7: the way the sun or the moon shines through the
Speaker 7: clouds and if you look at it, I've used an
Speaker 7: experiment because when you look up in the sky, even
Speaker 7: if there are clouds in front of the sun, you
Speaker 7: see the sun. It's like a light bulb right behind
Speaker 7: the clouds.
Speaker 1: And I've taken a piece of what.
Speaker 7: Do you call that paper you put on a cookie
Speaker 7: sheet when you put it in the oven. That kind
Speaker 7: of paper, very translucent.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you take one of those and you hold
Speaker 7: it up and you take the flashlight and you put
Speaker 7: it almost up against the paper, I show people this
Speaker 7: and I say, this is what you see when the
Speaker 7: sun is shining, you know, behind the clouds, and then
Speaker 7: I pull the flashlight back, and it's if I get
Speaker 7: more than maybe ten fifteen inches away, you don't see
Speaker 7: the dot anymore from the light. You just see the
Speaker 7: whole paper is illuminated. It's like it's spread out, so
Speaker 7: you can't see the actual source of the light anymore.
Speaker 7: And that's not the way it looks when you look
Speaker 7: up in the sky. You see that a very clear
Speaker 7: and distinct point where the sun is, and that could
Speaker 7: never happen if the sun was ninety three million miles away.
Speaker 1: It just couldn't happen.
Speaker 7: So that's one of those things that I do in
Speaker 7: front of people to just say that, like, do you
Speaker 7: see this?
Speaker 1: Can you explain how we.
Speaker 7: Can see the sun like that through the clouds when
Speaker 7: you can't even see the flashlight behind the paper when
Speaker 7: I pull it back ten fifteen inches.
Speaker 1: So that was a big one.
Speaker 7: Realizing that the sun and the moon are very close,
Speaker 7: not even close to the numbers they tell us it's
Speaker 7: much closer.
Speaker 1: That was a big one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is great. And how I think you said
Speaker 6: it was about a year ago when you came onto this,
Speaker 6: How did it change the way you live your life?
Speaker 6: And obviously you meant being closer to God, but was
Speaker 6: there any other aspects to how you've changed the way
Speaker 6: you live, how you perceive the world, et cetera.
Speaker 7: Well, just the way I look at the world is
Speaker 7: completely different, the whole spectrum. Like you, I look around
Speaker 7: nature looks different, everything is. But I guess knowing that,
Speaker 7: like we're not going to we're not going to touch
Speaker 7: the moon landing thing and all that that I've known
Speaker 7: that was a hope for I don't know, since I
Speaker 7: was a kid. I don't think I ever believe that
Speaker 7: it's just stupid when you look at it. I'm sorry
Speaker 7: if I offend anyone by saying that, but I mean
Speaker 7: I personally feel like I was.
Speaker 1: I would have been stupid if I would have felt
Speaker 1: one never bought it.
Speaker 7: But knowing that you've been lied to about something as
Speaker 7: significant as the shape of the world that we live in,
Speaker 7: knowing that lie, that that's a lie, it definitely opens
Speaker 7: your eyes up to a lot of different things. So
Speaker 7: I look at just about anything in my life differently.
Speaker 1: Now. I feel that.
Speaker 7: Gotten some sort of I'm not gonna call it X
Speaker 7: ray a vision, but super vision, like I look at
Speaker 7: things differently and I see things differently.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it changed. It changed a lot of things,
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 6: And how what kind of success have you had having
Speaker 6: conversations with friends, family members. Have you even brought it
Speaker 6: up to those and has there only been any success
Speaker 6: stories you know, having this type of conversation.
Speaker 7: Yeah, first one, I brought it up with it. Of course,
Speaker 7: my wife was a little bit nervous when I brought
Speaker 7: it up. I was because we've We've only been together
Speaker 7: for what is it now, in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty,
Speaker 7: so not that long, and I thought bringing it up
Speaker 7: might make you think I'm I'm a lunatic.
Speaker 1: But no, she was very open to it. And I
Speaker 1: didn't just tell her about it.
Speaker 7: I kind of showed her the things that I can
Speaker 7: show her, and she had about the same reaction you
Speaker 7: know as mine, which is, of course it is that
Speaker 7: makes perfect sense. So that was the first one. But
Speaker 7: then I've had a few friends co workers.
Speaker 1: I have at least two now that are fully convinced.
Speaker 7: And then I have a lot of people that just
Speaker 7: find it very interesting and they reintrigued when I show
Speaker 7: them the different experiments that you can do to just
Speaker 7: prove it, and they agree with it. But I don't
Speaker 7: think they're ready to to get on board, which is fine.
Speaker 7: I'm not going to force them. They can they everybody
Speaker 7: needs to. They need to accept it in their own time.
Speaker 1: That's all there is.
Speaker 7: If you if you get something shoved down your throat
Speaker 7: that kind of makes you not when.
Speaker 6: Accepted, right, and and that'll even get themselves to believe. Well,
Speaker 6: I never really bought it to to begin I never
Speaker 6: really believed it to begin with.
Speaker 3: It was kind of just forced upon me.
Speaker 6: So it is something that most people can't digest in
Speaker 6: one conversation. It can take days, weeks, and months to
Speaker 6: be for the person you're talking with just to get
Speaker 6: that one piece of information or that one nugget that
Speaker 6: is kind of the key that opens the eyes and
Speaker 6: gets them to say, oh, I get it now, right,
Speaker 6: Because for many people, it's the first time that they've
Speaker 6: even really gone down a rabbit hole. I didn't believe
Speaker 6: it before I started this podcast, but I was shocked
Speaker 6: to find how many people this was their first really
Speaker 6: rabbit hole they've ever gone down. For me, I had
Speaker 6: to realize that everything was a lie before I would
Speaker 6: even consider looking into this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree. I mean, it would never have been
Speaker 7: my first rabbit hole. I went down a lot of
Speaker 7: them before, and I was kind of I had accepted
Speaker 7: the fact that the government of the world they're lying
Speaker 7: to us, and there are a lot of lies in
Speaker 7: media and news and all that, but.
Speaker 1: I was far from flat earth.
Speaker 7: I mean I actually just up until a few years
Speaker 7: ago or eight year ago, I just thought people who
Speaker 7: believed in that was stupid. They I could I could
Speaker 7: not believe that people actually believed that. When I saw
Speaker 7: that guy on telegram and I thought that people are really, like, really,
Speaker 7: who would believe that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: How can they think that? So?
Speaker 7: I mean, but when I listened to it, I was like, oh,
Speaker 7: well that kind of made sense a little bit.
Speaker 1: So you know, I had to. I had to look
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 7: I'm a curious person, and like so many others, that
Speaker 7: would have been probably mostly to debunk whatever was said.
Speaker 1: But when I couldn't that, it was just wow.
Speaker 7: As soon as I saw the evidence, I was like,
Speaker 7: of course, how could I have been so blind?
Speaker 3: You know, one thing that Oh I'm sorry, go ahead,
Speaker 3: I thought you're done.
Speaker 1: No, I was just gonna say, it's right.
Speaker 7: It's been right there the whole time, So that was all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, it's been right in front of us the
Speaker 6: entire time for us to see. One thing that I
Speaker 6: found interesting that I just really thought of recently is
Speaker 6: within the truth community, there's still a large part of
Speaker 6: the community who think Person A or Person B or
Speaker 6: this president is coming in to save the day. Something
Speaker 6: that I've noticed most people who understand flat Earth or
Speaker 6: biblical cosmology, they understand that the left and the right
Speaker 6: is just two wings of the same bird, and they're
Speaker 6: meant to divide and conquer. And then I've noticed a
Speaker 6: lot of people who look into this in the flat
Speaker 6: Earth still buy into the fact that, you know, there's
Speaker 6: good guys at the top and white hats, et cetera.
Speaker 6: That was an interesting connection that I've made just within
Speaker 6: the last week or two.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, because yeah, yeah, No, I was just gonna say,
Speaker 9: because once you realized that that the ultimate lie, everything
Speaker 9: else is is just a show, it's a lie.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, and it and and it doesn't end ever,
Speaker 7: Like no, it's every day now, every day, every time
Speaker 7: I turn on the radio, the TV, whatever, Well, I
Speaker 7: barely ever look at it.
Speaker 1: I don't watch TV anymore. I just don't.
Speaker 7: I can't watch movies, I can't watch news. I can't
Speaker 7: watch any of it. I just can't it. I got
Speaker 7: to the point where, yeah, I believe this, and I
Speaker 7: don't need any more proof. I don't need to prove
Speaker 7: everyone wrong. I think that a little bit. It's like
Speaker 7: the whole oh what is the word, divisive division between people.
Speaker 7: I was thinking about the whole Obama Trudeau. They mentioned
Speaker 7: flat earth and their speeches and all that, and I
Speaker 7: don't think it was a mistake. I don't think it
Speaker 7: was something they did and didn't think of the consequences.
Speaker 7: I think that that's part of creating the two strong camps.
Speaker 7: Just like you have the left wing, the left wing
Speaker 7: would be nothing if you didn't have the right wing
Speaker 7: to pull some people. Then you have the division. And
Speaker 7: flat earth is going to be very decisive. So growing
Speaker 7: the flat earth community is also in their interest because
Speaker 7: then you have more divisions. And as long as people
Speaker 7: are divided, we're fighting about that. We're trying to find
Speaker 7: the truth all the time, and we're we're trying to
Speaker 7: find the truth down this lane but we're missing within
Speaker 7: the other lanes around us.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a.
Speaker 7: Little bit of steering the population a certain way. Does
Speaker 7: that make sense?
Speaker 3: One hundred percent? Really well said.
Speaker 6: And again it really lends credence to the fact that
Speaker 6: once you are able to unearth this lie, that then
Speaker 6: you know, the veil falls from your eyes and all
Speaker 6: the lies just kind of collapse underneath of it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and that leads to kind of something that I wanted
Speaker 6: to talk about with you, really your experience in the
Speaker 6: food the medical industry. You know, you talk about arthritis, dementia,
Speaker 6: cancer and what happened in twenty twenty, and I guess
Speaker 6: that would probably be my next logical question with you
Speaker 6: being in Sweden. What was twenty twenty like for you?
Speaker 7: Well, for me personally, it didn't really change anything because
Speaker 7: well some things, but not much because I live way
Speaker 7: out in the country. My next door neighbors are all trees.
Speaker 7: Well that's not true, I have one neighbor. But it
Speaker 7: didn't affect me much. I worked at the time, I
Speaker 7: worked for the church in Sweden as an administrator, and
Speaker 7: at first I was one of the two three people
Speaker 7: that actually had to go to the office every day
Speaker 7: and do my job.
Speaker 1: Then I had this.
Speaker 7: I guess nobody likes going to work really, so I
Speaker 7: just figured, well, you know, everyone else can work from home,
Speaker 7: and there's nothing that keeps me from doing it.
Speaker 1: I do all my work from a computer.
Speaker 7: So I just one day packed my computer and I
Speaker 7: went home, and I stayed at home and took care
Speaker 7: of my work.
Speaker 1: But it could also take care of my house and
Speaker 1: my animals and all that. So it was perfect for me.
Speaker 1: I actually liked it. It was almost sad when they
Speaker 1: canceled the.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly when it's like, oh no, not yet, just
Speaker 7: keep going for a while.
Speaker 1: No, but it was. It was for me. It didn't
Speaker 1: it didn't change anything.
Speaker 7: I I wore a face what do you call it,
Speaker 7: face mask, face diaper, whatever you call it. I wore
Speaker 7: that twice, and that was because I had mandatory visits
Speaker 7: to the doctor's office, and when you went there, you
Speaker 7: had to wear it. Those are the only two times
Speaker 7: I put that thing on my face. Otherwise that no, never,
Speaker 7: I would never. I went into the store without a
Speaker 7: face mask. I went downtown without a face mask. I
Speaker 7: did everything that I ever, you know that I would
Speaker 7: normally do, and I did that without a face mask,
Speaker 7: I would never put that off. It's kind of interesting
Speaker 7: because I read this thing about Fauci that when he
Speaker 7: was in college or whatever, university, he wrote some sort
Speaker 7: of a paper about was it the Spanish flu and
Speaker 7: that most people didn't actually die from a flu or whatever,
Speaker 7: they died from I don't know, lung rot, you know,
Speaker 7: and lungs being destroyed by all these face masks. So
Speaker 7: it's interesting that that guy actually wrote that paper, and
Speaker 7: then he's the one who's advocating everybody should wear one,
Speaker 7: wear one, protect your your family, your friends, everyone.
Speaker 6: It was a yeah when you actually sit down and
Speaker 6: you think back to that year, you know, starting with
Speaker 6: the closing of churches, closing of schools. You know, we
Speaker 6: were told it was just fifteen days, and there wasn't
Speaker 6: really a lot of outrage. But I think into the
Speaker 6: second week when they started publicly casting doubt that the
Speaker 6: fifteen days were going to do it, and you saw
Speaker 6: local business owners start to get visibly upset. And it
Speaker 6: was not It didn't take very long for people to
Speaker 6: see what this was all about. And it was very sinister,
Speaker 6: It was very evil. It was just something I never
Speaker 6: thought I would see in my lifetime, and then they
Speaker 6: distracted us with the riots of twenty twenty right, more
Speaker 6: divide and conquer, and then it went into the elections,
Speaker 6: then it went into January sixth. Just an insane time
Speaker 6: period that we lived through. And if you look at
Speaker 6: everything else that we're talking about now and how quickly
Speaker 6: we forgot everything that went on with no accountability, it's.
Speaker 3: Hard to believe.
Speaker 6: One thing I did want to ask you, and it
Speaker 6: could have been just the way you said it, but
Speaker 6: you said there were two times you had mandatory doctors' visits.
Speaker 6: Was that just you were sick and you had to
Speaker 6: go to the doctor or is there something else to
Speaker 6: that When you said mandatory doctor's visits.
Speaker 7: One of the times, uh, yeah, that was because I
Speaker 7: was actually sick. I had I had to go there
Speaker 7: to have, you know, have.
Speaker 1: Them look at it and whatever, gotcha.
Speaker 7: But the other time was yeah, I was like mandator
Speaker 7: I had to go there to get a check up
Speaker 7: for work.
Speaker 1: Huh. But it was like I wasn't sick.
Speaker 7: I just had to go there and get like a
Speaker 7: doctor's note saying that yes.
Speaker 3: You're healthy, Okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotch.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But it's just it was just ridiculous. The whole
Speaker 1: thing was ridiculous.
Speaker 7: Like I know a lot of your guests have said
Speaker 7: this before, and it's just something that you can say
Speaker 7: it a hundred types more, that face mask, and it's
Speaker 7: not gonna it's not going to protect anyone from anything.
Speaker 1: It's just stupid.
Speaker 7: And you walk around the store and you see every
Speaker 7: other person keeps the what do you call it, You
Speaker 7: don't call it a face mask, what do.
Speaker 1: You call it, mouth guard? Whatever?
Speaker 3: Face mask, face diaper?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean they're they're wearing it with their
Speaker 7: no sticking out. What do you think that's going to
Speaker 7: do for you? And so many people pointed out, you know,
Speaker 7: the people driving in cars alone with a face mask.
Speaker 7: And I saw one just the other day and it's like,
Speaker 7: come on, have you ever have you watched news?
Speaker 1: It's it's done. We don't need it anymore, not even
Speaker 1: if you believe in it, do you need it? You know?
Speaker 7: So it's just funny that some people are just stuck
Speaker 7: in that face mask mode. I especially, and I'm not
Speaker 7: trying to pick on people from from Asia, but.
Speaker 1: I was traveling just the other week.
Speaker 7: I went down to the capital of Sweden and I
Speaker 7: met a group of of Asian tourists and they're like
Speaker 7: running around with their cameras taking pictures and all that,
Speaker 7: and every single one of them has the face masks.
Speaker 1: It's like wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, even prior to twenty twenty, a large portion
Speaker 6: of the anytime there's indoor events or things like that,
Speaker 6: you'll notice a lot of people wearing masks, even prior
Speaker 6: to twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. It's just part of their culture.
Speaker 6: I guess they're they're big, you know, germophobes to a
Speaker 6: certain extent.
Speaker 3: I suppose.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're probably more subjected to the whole brainwashing thing
Speaker 7: than that we have been in the Western world. I
Speaker 7: think they've been more Their governments have been more controlling
Speaker 7: for a longer time, and our governments kind of snuck
Speaker 7: up on us, you know, in the last few years,
Speaker 7: and they're just as bad now.
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, that's for sure interesting times and deeds.
Speaker 6: And then I'd kind of like to segue into the
Speaker 6: medical and the food industry, which has been a big
Speaker 6: focus in your life, as you say, as a conspiracy
Speaker 6: aware individual, So I'd love to hear you kind of
Speaker 6: speak on that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, it started and I want to say that
Speaker 7: the actual diagnosis was in twenty fourteen, and that was
Speaker 7: two years after my ex wife.
Speaker 1: Moved to Sweden. She still lives in Sweden. She's still alive.
Speaker 1: Pretty cool.
Speaker 7: She was diagnosed with that cancer in the neck, and
Speaker 7: of course that was a very traumatic thing to hear that,
Speaker 7: you know, my wife has cancer and they're telling us that, yes,
Speaker 7: this type of cancer, we usually get that under control
Speaker 7: or whatever within a certain time period, but it usually
Speaker 7: comes back within ten to fifteen years, and when it
Speaker 7: comes back, it's like it was a ninety some percent deadly,
Speaker 7: like most people died from it.
Speaker 1: When it came back.
Speaker 7: We went up to one of the hospitals in the
Speaker 7: very northern part of Sweden, which is one of the
Speaker 7: foremost hospitals I think.
Speaker 1: In the world when it comes to this, and.
Speaker 7: The oncologist when we got to meet him, he broke
Speaker 7: it down and told us exactly what was going to happen.
Speaker 1: She was going to get radiation. Chemotherapy did not.
Speaker 7: Didn't work for this type of cancer, so it's just
Speaker 7: radiation and pretty aggressive radiation.
Speaker 1: And he actually said that the biggest problem.
Speaker 7: For her was her age, because she was only thirty
Speaker 7: five ish when she got diagnosis, and most people that
Speaker 7: get that they would be in the high sixties. So
Speaker 7: when if they treated and they lived for another fifteen years,
Speaker 7: they basically say.
Speaker 1: They died of old age at age seventy five eighty.
Speaker 7: My ex wife was thirty five, so she would have
Speaker 7: to live through all the consequences of radiation. Is what
Speaker 7: the oncologist told us, which is that it would be
Speaker 7: so aggressive it would basically kill all the cells and
Speaker 7: the bones.
Speaker 1: So the jaw would in a few years it would
Speaker 1: kind of just break.
Speaker 7: It would snap, and they would take bone from the
Speaker 7: chin to rebuild the jaw, build up a nude jaw.
Speaker 7: They would have to insert a weight in her eyelid
Speaker 7: because she would be the tumor was located in a
Speaker 7: place where the facial nerve actually ran straight through it,
Speaker 7: so they would have to sever the facial nerves so
Speaker 7: she would be half paralyzed interface, so they would have
Speaker 7: to insert a weight in one of her eyelids in
Speaker 7: order for her to be able to close it. And
Speaker 7: I was sitting there with my ex wife when when
Speaker 7: she got all this from the oncologist, and and I
Speaker 7: could see that she was just like sinking into the
Speaker 7: chair or like, yeah, it was bad. And when it
Speaker 7: was done, it was a moment of silence. And then
Speaker 7: my ex wife said, so what if I turned down
Speaker 7: all the treatments, does that mean you kick me out
Speaker 7: and I don't get to come back? Or do I
Speaker 7: still get my checkups and things like that, because they
Speaker 7: usually have you come back every I think it's every
Speaker 7: ninety days, every three months have for a checkup. And
Speaker 7: his first response was not no, of course you're welcome
Speaker 7: to come back, and of course we want to give
Speaker 7: you you know, it was well, why why would anyone
Speaker 7: turn it down? That what that would be if you're
Speaker 7: like an addict of some kind or you have mental
Speaker 7: issues and you can't stand being in hospital. That was
Speaker 7: his response. And my ex wife just looked at him
Speaker 7: and said, well, thank you for that, but I'm going
Speaker 7: to say no. And he I think he I don't
Speaker 7: think he's ever had anyone say no because his reaction
Speaker 7: was so extreme.
Speaker 1: But we left that hospital.
Speaker 7: I actually filed a complaint with the hospital against the
Speaker 7: doctor because I said, no doctor should ever like tell
Speaker 7: their patients we just got cancer diagnoseds that, oh, well,
Speaker 7: I guess you're mentally ill. Or an addict or something,
Speaker 7: since you don't want our treatments. But she said no.
Speaker 7: And basically that was extremely devastating to me because I
Speaker 7: just I had this vision of my wife dying. That
Speaker 7: was kind of a traumatic experience. I went home and
Speaker 7: I turned to the Bible. I started reading the Bible,
Speaker 7: just looking for some sort of comfort, and I came
Speaker 7: across and I think, maybe that is It's not in Genesis,
Speaker 7: but it's in one of the first books of the Bible,
Speaker 7: right when they talk about the food that you should
Speaker 7: eat and what you should eat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely even gets into the linens and what we
Speaker 6: should wear back in the toy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when I got to that, it
Speaker 7: just it's like I took that as a sign of, well,
Speaker 7: you should look into this whole thing about what what
Speaker 7: are you eating is?
Speaker 1: I mean, we're sugar.
Speaker 7: Aholics, everything with sugar, sugar, sugar. And I started looking
Speaker 7: at different diets and I tried to find something that
Speaker 7: was sort of biblical. But after searching for a while,
Speaker 7: I found it's called don't know if you've heard of it,
Speaker 7: it's called Gerson Institute.
Speaker 1: I have heard of it, Yeah.
Speaker 7: And I guess they they actually they were in the
Speaker 7: US and then they got banned and they moved to Mexico.
Speaker 7: And I think they have an institute in Europe somewhere,
Speaker 7: if it's Poland or Hungary or something like that, Eastern Europe,
Speaker 7: I think, And I read a lot about what they
Speaker 7: do and how they treat cancer patients, and I guess
Speaker 7: at some point they'd taken I think it was fifty
Speaker 7: people from the US with terminal cancer where the medical
Speaker 7: system had just our industry had told them that you know,
Speaker 7: this is your opiration date and you're done.
Speaker 1: We can't do anything for you. And they had cured
Speaker 1: every single one.
Speaker 7: Of them, and I think they had documented that somehow.
Speaker 7: But then it started, you know, I started finding groups
Speaker 7: on the Internet, and some of them had some very
Speaker 7: famous people, like actors that I actually watched, and mostly
Speaker 7: from Christian movies that I've watched.
Speaker 1: When I lived in the US.
Speaker 7: I was like, Wow, there's some like semi famous people
Speaker 7: here and they they're telling us that this this works.
Speaker 7: So I started looking into it, and it had a
Speaker 7: lot to do with vegetables, fruits and and just clean food.
Speaker 7: So I finally decided that I was gonna ask my
Speaker 7: wife if she if she wanted to, Yeah, wanta raw
Speaker 7: food diet, which is we hate nothing but raw organic
Speaker 7: vegetables for ninety days. It was sort of a kickstart,
Speaker 7: you like and and and and then continue with the
Speaker 7: cleaner living after that. But that was the kick start
Speaker 7: to clean out the whatever.
Speaker 1: It was a cleanse.
Speaker 7: And I went on that diet with her as mostly
Speaker 7: to support her, since I also the one enjoyed cooking.
Speaker 1: She didn't enjoy cooking. So I try to be creative
Speaker 1: with the raw vegetables.
Speaker 7: That made like tostadas with all the you know, made
Speaker 7: a little flat bread out of seeds. And because you
Speaker 7: can't heat anything up beyond what is it celsius?
Speaker 1: I think it's forty three degrees or something like that.
Speaker 7: So we got through that ninety days, and we both
Speaker 7: of us lost a lot of weight and I felt great.
Speaker 7: Like I struggled with arthritis. I got my diagnosis when
Speaker 7: I was nineteen. When I was an athlete, I got
Speaker 7: inflammations in my joints all the time, and it put
Speaker 7: me on hold for training. And then I got back
Speaker 7: after some medications, and immediately when I started training again,
Speaker 7: I got inflammations again, and finally I just gave up
Speaker 7: on it, and I lived with inflammations in my knees,
Speaker 7: my shoulders, my fingers, a lot of joints, and I
Speaker 7: lived with that, lived with the pain. Some doctors just said,
Speaker 7: you know, just bounce up and down, run, jump, do
Speaker 7: all the things that you can, because the moment you
Speaker 7: stop is when you're joints are just going to give
Speaker 7: up on you.
Speaker 1: So keep doing it even though it hurts.
Speaker 7: So that's the way I lived my life from age
Speaker 7: nineteen to forty somethings. When we went through this diet
Speaker 7: and all my inflammations went away, I had no pain.
Speaker 7: I was in better shape than I was when I
Speaker 7: was nineteen twenty twenty five. When I was twenty five,
Speaker 7: I had problems getting up and down from a chair
Speaker 7: because my knees were so bad. And now I had
Speaker 7: no pain, zero pain. But after ninety days, it was
Speaker 7: time for her check up, because they bring it back
Speaker 7: every ninety days, remember, And so they called us and
Speaker 7: she went in our doctor here, the local doctor. Yeah,
Speaker 7: very nice guy. I actually liked him a lot. He
Speaker 7: started touching her neck and feeling, you know, it started
Speaker 7: more like wow, where is it. It's like he's he's
Speaker 7: looking for it, and then finally he's like putting fingers
Speaker 7: inside of her mouth to push from the inside, and
Speaker 7: he's still pushing and pushing, and he's like, well, I
Speaker 7: can't find the tumor, so I'm just gonna send you
Speaker 7: off for a scan.
Speaker 1: And he did came back from the scan. We're waiting.
Speaker 1: There's a long wait.
Speaker 7: Then the doctor came and called us back in and
Speaker 7: he looked like, I don't know, he'd seen a ghost
Speaker 7: or something. He said, I cannot explain this, that there's
Speaker 7: no tumor. And it was pretty big. It was like
Speaker 7: way bigger than a coffee bean. It was something somewhere
Speaker 7: between a coffee bean and like a very small grape
Speaker 7: or something like.
Speaker 1: That is the size of the tumor that she had.
Speaker 1: And it was gone.
Speaker 7: They confirmed it with more scans and then she didn't
Speaker 7: have a tumor. She kept going in for her check
Speaker 7: up every three months for years to come and finally
Speaker 7: they declared her healthy.
Speaker 1: Couldn't explain it and no, it's just gone.
Speaker 6: You know, that's incredible because a couple of years ago
Speaker 6: I did a series of podcasts about alternative doctors. That's
Speaker 6: you know, the term I guess you could use alternative
Speaker 6: medicine doctors who practice alternative medicine. One of them was
Speaker 6: Max Gerson, and he, like many other people who went
Speaker 6: against the Rockefeller medical industry because basically what happened was
Speaker 6: the Rockefellers ended up consolidating the medical industry, and if
Speaker 6: you wanted to get that the MD at the end
Speaker 6: of your name, you had to go to a school
Speaker 6: that basically they certify, And a lot of people who
Speaker 6: you know, went around their own ways, like mister Gerson did,
Speaker 6: they had their medical license taken away from them, and
Speaker 6: he was one of them, and now it lives. You know,
Speaker 6: Garrison Therapy is not only in Mexico, but in you know,
Speaker 6: my wife's own country, and in Hungary.
Speaker 3: I think they're in Budapest.
Speaker 7: And okay, yeah, so it was Hungry, Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 7: I thought it was one of those countries.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 6: He died fairly young in his seventies, but he was
Speaker 6: a very healthy person. And the kind of the connection
Speaker 6: is they took away his Basically, what they do is
Speaker 6: if they don't take your license, they'll take your insurance.
Speaker 6: If you don't have your malpractice insurance, you can't practice.
Speaker 6: So that's how they got him, and right after that
Speaker 6: they did take his medical license, but like weeks I
Speaker 6: think literally weeks after they took his medical license. I
Speaker 6: think it was in New York. He died like two
Speaker 6: weeks later, and a lot of people believe that he
Speaker 6: was he was murdered because he was. He was really
Speaker 6: persecuted much of his adult life because he didn't practice
Speaker 6: like what you were just talking about, you know, the
Speaker 6: cancer treatments that that not percent of the people you
Speaker 6: know get, and he had his own therapy. And you know,
Speaker 6: you're when when I hear stories like you're telling me
Speaker 6: gives me shivers because you know, I've I've talked about
Speaker 6: these stories many times. And when I talk to someone
Speaker 6: who is actually living proof that there are alternatives to
Speaker 6: chemo therapy, it's.
Speaker 3: It's incredible.
Speaker 7: Yeah I didn't I didn't know that about him, But
Speaker 7: it doesn't surprise me at all. I mean, that's the
Speaker 7: way it seems like. That's how it is, like anyone
Speaker 7: who who discovers something, they're eliminated.
Speaker 6: Sure whether or not you find uh, you know, you
Speaker 6: come up with a hydro engine exactly. Yeah, you had
Speaker 6: the guy in California killed, You had the guy in
Speaker 6: Buffalo within the last you know, five years in Buffalo,
Speaker 6: that shooting the security guard who I just happened to
Speaker 6: be a guy who came up with a hydro engine.
Speaker 6: And the alternative medicine doctors, the list of them who
Speaker 6: have had mysterious deaths is so that there's a lot
Speaker 6: of them. And again like mister Bradstreet. You know, here's
Speaker 6: another American doctor alternative medicine. You know, he was a
Speaker 6: former preacher, just an all around good guy everybody loved,
Speaker 6: and he started to put the vaccine industry on blast,
Speaker 6: and he called out autism, so on and so forth.
Speaker 3: He's another guy who met an early demise.
Speaker 6: After they founded him, like in a creek in I
Speaker 6: want to say, North Carolina, just dead. And of course
Speaker 6: they that they said it was a suicide. But this,
Speaker 6: this is just a few examples of many people who
Speaker 6: went against big you know, big pharma, big medicine. They
Speaker 6: win every time. But just speaks to the conviction of
Speaker 6: these people. It's incredible.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I I And I've seen a lot
Speaker 7: of those stories too, or read a lot of those
Speaker 7: stories with people that they're they're just taken out of
Speaker 7: out of the game as soon as they come up
Speaker 7: with something that's actually beneficial for us that goes the
Speaker 7: game is their story, then you know they're eliminated. And
Speaker 7: it's funny that always happens to people that actually come
Speaker 7: up with something that's good for us. If you come
Speaker 7: up with something that's not good for us, then you're
Speaker 7: a hero and you make money for years to come.
Speaker 6: Sure, Ray Kroc here in the United States, the guy
Speaker 6: who found a McDonald's, he's a hero.
Speaker 3: It's about the worst thing you can eat.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you mentioned something in your email that I forgot
Speaker 6: about that I wanted to bring up, and I don't
Speaker 6: know if you can say the name.
Speaker 3: I hope you would. But you talked about how you.
Speaker 6: Believe that your country was one one of the more
Speaker 6: controlled countries in the world, even though many of us
Speaker 6: see see you as a free and well educated country,
Speaker 6: which you know, the same with here. Many people believe
Speaker 6: were the land of the free and the home of
Speaker 6: the brave, but we're very much controlled as well. You
Speaker 6: stated that there's a very prominent family in Sweden that
Speaker 6: always seem to be on the outside or hiding in
Speaker 6: the shadows.
Speaker 3: Is that something that you can speak.
Speaker 1: To absolutely.
Speaker 7: If anyone wants to get me because I say this,
Speaker 7: then you know let them.
Speaker 1: It's the I guess you would say Wallenberg vollenbadi is.
Speaker 1: I always say it is with.
Speaker 7: The Wallenberg family is like, of course, I believe that
Speaker 7: all these families, like you have the roth Child, you
Speaker 7: have Wallenberg, you have all of them. They're basically just
Speaker 7: puppets as well. They're in my mind it's I don't
Speaker 7: even know how to say this in English, but it's
Speaker 7: the Jesuit order, you know that that part that's that's
Speaker 7: what's behind it. They control everything, and they're all everyone
Speaker 7: that's a prominent family or prominent figure in the world.
Speaker 7: They all came up through either their education or their
Speaker 7: bloodlines or whatever. They're always connected. So I don't believe
Speaker 7: that the Wallenberg family would be like at the core.
Speaker 1: Of it, but I think they're pretty damn close to it.
Speaker 7: Or as I usually say, it's like the hub of
Speaker 7: the wheel that you have all the spokes going out,
Speaker 7: and they're closer to the hub than because they control,
Speaker 7: like if you look at the companies they have, they
Speaker 7: control a lot that has to do with five G
Speaker 7: and and communications through you've probably heard of Ericson.
Speaker 3: Yep. They they were part of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're like it's one of their companies. Yep.
Speaker 7: It's it's one of the most powerful financial powers in
Speaker 7: the world because if you go back historically, I guess
Speaker 7: the first I don't remember when it was, but it
Speaker 7: could have been in the seventeen or eighteen hundreds or something.
Speaker 7: Someone from the Wallenberg family went over to the US
Speaker 7: and studied the banks, and they came back to Sweden
Speaker 7: and started it's called seb coming always go in qui
Speaker 7: Labankian and that was the first bank, and they kind
Speaker 7: of revolutionized the banking in Sweden because prior to that
Speaker 7: banks just held your money and now the bank's actually invested.
Speaker 7: So whatever money you put in the bank, the bank
Speaker 7: turned around and invested the money and they started making money.
Speaker 7: And for a while there, I think the Wallenberg family
Speaker 7: they owned the biggest bank, most people had their money there.
Speaker 7: They owned I think it was something like forty percent
Speaker 7: of all the industries in this country. So you can
Speaker 7: imagine how many people of Sweden actually worked for them.
Speaker 7: So they're working for them, get paid by them, and
Speaker 7: put their money in their bank. So it was just
Speaker 7: you know, they had them. But then at some point
Speaker 7: someone raised the question like is this really cool? Can
Speaker 7: we keep this system going? And the government went in
Speaker 7: and said, you cannot own all these industries and the
Speaker 7: bank and you know, too much control. Yeah, it was
Speaker 7: a monopoly, so they had to change it. But this
Speaker 7: family was I mean, they're extremely smart. Usually they say
Speaker 7: that what wealth lasts for what is it three generations
Speaker 7: or something like that. This family have kept it going
Speaker 7: because they I think the very first investment company that
Speaker 7: they or whatever you call it, that they started that
Speaker 7: took over some of the ownership of the was it's
Speaker 7: called Investor Investor, you know, and that's a huge company.
Speaker 7: They own so many different companies or at least parts
Speaker 7: of it, and they just spread it out in the family.
Speaker 7: So one person owns this, and one person has that,
Speaker 7: and one person you know.
Speaker 1: So basically what.
Speaker 7: They did was they took the spotlight off of the
Speaker 7: family because they spread it out, you know, over so
Speaker 7: many people that nobody paid attention. So there was a
Speaker 7: movie series, like I think it was like three or
Speaker 7: four movies that were made with this kind of like
Speaker 7: a criminal gang that they they broke into some safe
Speaker 7: and tried to steal money, and it was it's a comedy,
Speaker 7: and the bad guy in those movies was called They
Speaker 7: split it up so it's a first and last name,
Speaker 7: like wall would have been the first name, and and
Speaker 7: the Berg is thet the last name, which is actually
Speaker 7: a Swedish last name, Embay. So the crook in these
Speaker 7: comedy movies was called So whenever someone mentions the Wallenberg,
Speaker 7: they immediately think back to these movies. Then they're just like, yeah, whatever, that's,
Speaker 7: you know, cartoon character. So they they've just managed to
Speaker 7: stay out of the spotlight for so long, and they've
Speaker 7: kept this going for generation after generation after generation, and
Speaker 7: they spread it out over so many people in the family.
Speaker 7: I think one of them has been like on the
Speaker 7: Border directors, is that what you call it? Order directors
Speaker 7: of that nastak is like talk about being on the
Speaker 7: inside of everything and having control of everything. They've been
Speaker 7: I think his name was actually Jacob Wallenberg, that was
Speaker 7: on the Border.
Speaker 1: Directors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think you're right, Jacob.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And they also have because they're in communications, they have
Speaker 7: ericson that's in I don't even know how many countries,
Speaker 7: but we're talking well over one hundred countries, maybe one
Speaker 7: hundred and fifty countries. They have another big company that's
Speaker 7: called ABB, which they kind of If you think of
Speaker 7: Erickson as the company that provides the technology, then ABB
Speaker 7: would be the one.
Speaker 1: That provides the infrastructure. Yep.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so they control both of those. They're also some
Speaker 7: of them are part of it's a I think it's
Speaker 7: called the Order of Seraphim. Yeah, and as far as
Speaker 7: I understand after reading a little bit on it, it's
Speaker 7: like a Hebrew word and it describes a category of
Speaker 7: angels or like the highest kind of angels. That's the order,
Speaker 7: and it's it's something with the royal orders, so it's
Speaker 7: very closely connected to the royal family in the Sweden,
Speaker 7: which most people who listen to this they know that
Speaker 7: the royal families of different countries, they're pretty much in on.
Speaker 1: I don't know, the bad SiGe.
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: And the Wallamberg actually pre date the Royal Order of
Speaker 6: the Seraphim, which is out of Sweden. I think the
Speaker 6: Wallomberg's kind of the earliest known guy was from the
Speaker 6: late sixteen hundreds in the Order of the Seraphim.
Speaker 3: According to the history.
Speaker 6: Books seventeen forty eight, along with the Order of the
Speaker 6: Sword and the Order of the Polar Star.
Speaker 7: Yes, exactly, yeah, I know it's it's it's just I
Speaker 7: just firmly believe that because if you look at my country,
Speaker 7: my country, our country, we're like at the forefront, because
Speaker 7: you know, Sweden is a is a social this country,
Speaker 7: it's very I would say that borderline communists. Just up
Speaker 7: until like within my life, when I would say maybe
Speaker 7: late eighties or something like that, early nineties. One of
Speaker 7: the parties, one of the bigger parties in Sweden now
Speaker 7: it's just called the left, the left party. They were
Speaker 7: called their name was VINCE the Party at Komunistina, which
Speaker 7: is the left party of the Communists, so the short
Speaker 7: VPK that was what they were called.
Speaker 1: So we had that and and they teamed up.
Speaker 7: Because elections in Sweden is it's very different than in
Speaker 7: the US. It's blue or red, right, right or left,
Speaker 7: and there's some green party somewhere.
Speaker 1: Often the you know, they're just there. Yeah, here we have.
Speaker 7: Oh, I don't even know how many parties we have.
Speaker 7: We have sent the party y. We have at least five, six,
Speaker 7: seven parties that are like in the running, and they're
Speaker 7: all if you get above a certain percentage, you're in
Speaker 7: and what happens. Then Let's say that I vote for
Speaker 7: the biggest party, which is Socie Old the mcdalton, that's
Speaker 7: the left, the biggest left wing party. They've ruled the
Speaker 7: country for decades, but I vote for them, but they
Speaker 7: don't get majority.
Speaker 1: Then after the election they have the.
Speaker 7: Option of teaming up with some of the other parties
Speaker 7: to form a majority. So you can actually get some
Speaker 7: parties that you absolutely don't agree with.
Speaker 1: You just get them, you know, what do you call it?
Speaker 7: You didn't vote for them, but you still get them.
Speaker 7: So they get into power because the party that you
Speaker 7: voted for, one they were the biggest party, but didn't
Speaker 7: they didn't have enough support to have a sole majority,
Speaker 7: so they have to team up with other parties. So
Speaker 7: then they strike deals with other parties to form a majority.
Speaker 7: So you can have parties from the complete opposite of
Speaker 7: what you voted for that.
Speaker 1: Are part of it, and you get that. It's just
Speaker 1: part of the deal.
Speaker 7: So voting here is pretty much pointless because if I
Speaker 7: vote right, I can get some left wing parties that
Speaker 7: are in there and controls a lot, So it's it's
Speaker 7: just a mess, I would say, But then again, I
Speaker 7: don't think it's any more of a mess than it
Speaker 7: is in the US with the electoral votes and all
Speaker 7: that kind of bull crap that makes people not want
Speaker 7: to vote, because if I'm part of the forty of
Speaker 7: this state that voted for something, my vote is just
Speaker 7: canceled because fifty one percent of my state voted for
Speaker 7: the other party.
Speaker 1: So what's the point of voting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I tend to agree these people are selected,
Speaker 6: not elected anyway, They're going to get their guy. They're
Speaker 6: going to put their guy in charge, come you know,
Speaker 6: Hell or Eyewater. What's interesting is I'm so glad you
Speaker 6: brought them up because on the Fact Hunder podcast we
Speaker 6: did an episode, it would have been last March show
Speaker 6: episode two hundred and thirty something. We did an episode
Speaker 6: on the Wallenberg's. We covered them for about thirty minutes
Speaker 6: in their history, because you know, some of the countries
Speaker 6: that don't get talked about enough are Switzerland and Sweden.
Speaker 6: And when we talk about Switzerland, obviously you have cern
Speaker 6: the back of International Settlements, the World Economic Forum, but Sweden,
Speaker 6: particularly the Wallenbergs, because you know, you mentioned many of
Speaker 6: the companies they're involved with. But one that most people
Speaker 6: don't make the connection with is they are the top
Speaker 6: shareholders with Astra Zeneca, which is a big, big pharmaceutical
Speaker 6: company and huge, so you know, they're part of that
Speaker 6: electro Luxe household appliances, ericson technology and again they literally
Speaker 6: provide the financial services and they control the stock exchanges
Speaker 6: with Nasdaq. I think they control SOB as well, but
Speaker 6: I think that's more on the military and civil security side.
Speaker 7: So BE, which is it is because the car manufacturing
Speaker 7: that that's dead car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, they're not making cars anymore.
Speaker 6: And SOB too, which is a Swedish orphan biovitrum, which
Speaker 6: is this biopharmaceutical company.
Speaker 3: It's a very spot.
Speaker 6: We don't have the time to get into this, but
Speaker 6: if you take the time to look at everything that
Speaker 6: this family's involved with, that it can be can some
Speaker 6: pretty diabolical stuff. But one last thing that everybody should
Speaker 6: really be eye opening to people about how powerful this
Speaker 6: family is. If you look at Pepsi or you know
Speaker 6: insert that you know, top five hundred company, whatever it is,
Speaker 6: you look at their top shareholders, whether it's Nvidia or Peiser,
Speaker 6: you name it, their top shareholders are Vanguard and black Rock. Yeah, right,
Speaker 6: so investor, the Wallenbergs are far and away the number
Speaker 6: one shareholders. Vanguard is number three, Blackrock is number five.
Speaker 6: And it doesn't matter how big of a country company
Speaker 6: are in the world. Vanguard is number one, black Rock
Speaker 6: is number two. Vanguard sits below the Wallenberg family. So
Speaker 6: it's very interesting. It goes to show how powerful of
Speaker 6: a family that they are. And you know, for every
Speaker 6: one person who knows who the Rockefellers or roth Childs are,
Speaker 6: there's probably one hundred people who have never heard of
Speaker 6: the Wallenbergs exactly.
Speaker 7: They've managed to stay out of the spot line. And
Speaker 7: I mean go back to w w W two. I
Speaker 7: think it was well, actually I think they were involved
Speaker 7: in World War one and two, but world War two,
Speaker 7: they they did business with the Germans, the Nazis, and
Speaker 7: they did business with the Allies of course.
Speaker 1: And and they.
Speaker 7: Like Sweden has been a neutral country much like Switzerland
Speaker 7: for you know, not not forever, because we used to
Speaker 7: be like a warrior nation. We conquered half of Europe
Speaker 7: or whatever. I think it went all the way down
Speaker 7: all the way down to Turkey at some point, but
Speaker 7: we left the whole neutral thing now because now we
Speaker 7: join NATO, so now we're just part of that war machine,
Speaker 7: I mean sorry, peace keeping machine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred and and they had their bets on
Speaker 6: both sides, just like many was it. IBM did as
Speaker 6: well right back during World War Two. So you know,
Speaker 6: it's interesting how these these powerful families that they always
Speaker 6: ensure they're on the winning side. And like you said,
Speaker 6: they know it doesn't matter who is the president, who
Speaker 6: is the king. All that matters is who controls the money.
Speaker 6: And that's why the bankers are so powerful because, like
Speaker 6: you said, back in the day, people would put their
Speaker 6: money in the bank and they would hold the money.
Speaker 6: Right but here in America, in the United States, banks
Speaker 6: are only by law they only have to actually physically
Speaker 6: hold on to ten percent of the deposit. So for
Speaker 6: every hundred dollars that you're put in the bank, they
Speaker 6: only have to hold ten dollars. The other ninety that
Speaker 6: pay themselves, they invest, they give out his loans. So
Speaker 6: that that's really shows how fragile our banking system is
Speaker 6: in America. Along with a fiat currency which is really worthless.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there really isn't any money anymore. It's just it's
Speaker 7: all debt. No, That's what I find that very interesting
Speaker 7: way you talk about national debts, Like every single country
Speaker 7: in the world has a national debt.
Speaker 1: Some have very little, but mostly I think everyone has one.
Speaker 7: So if you think about like, let's say that you
Speaker 7: and everyone you know sitting around a very big table
Speaker 7: and everybody owes everybody money.
Speaker 1: Like, how is that possible?
Speaker 7: Someone needs to be sitting there going like, yeah, everybody
Speaker 7: owes me, but no, there is no such thing. Everybody
Speaker 7: owes someone money, yep.
Speaker 1: Who is supposed to collect?
Speaker 6: And that's that is something that should resonate in people's brains. Well,
Speaker 6: one country should be positive, right, it should be fiscally
Speaker 6: impossible for all countries to be in the negative at
Speaker 6: least one, right. But what it is, and that's when
Speaker 6: you hear you know, private public partnerships. The people who
Speaker 6: are in the positive are the bankers and the big
Speaker 6: mega corporations. They're the ones all the funds and the goal.
Speaker 7: But if everyone is in the negative, then you have
Speaker 7: a negative. There's no nobody has you know, nobody can
Speaker 7: collect Nope. It's it's a very interesting system and it's
Speaker 7: it's incredible that we just bite.
Speaker 6: It and when the great recent happens, people are going
Speaker 6: to act like they're shocked. I didn't see this coming.
Speaker 6: How could this possibly have happened? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Forty trillion dollars of debt, I don't know.
Speaker 7: You tell me, Well, we haven't touched much on the
Speaker 7: whole flatter thing. A little bit, but not all that much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's touch back on that.
Speaker 6: We have about fifteen minutes left, so yeah, go ahead
Speaker 6: and feel free to.
Speaker 7: I just wanted to mention one person before that, and
Speaker 7: it's someone that you've probably heard of, A very young,
Speaker 7: cute girl named Getatubai Greta timber Well Greta.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's Swedish.
Speaker 7: By the way, everyone should know that she's Swedish, and
Speaker 7: she's from a very famous mother who's opera singer. And
Speaker 7: she's actually what we call the huav song at It,
Speaker 7: which means that she is one that's been elected to
Speaker 7: sing for the royal family as well.
Speaker 1: Very interesting. But she has this lady that goes with
Speaker 1: her pretty much everywhere she goes.
Speaker 7: And I don't remember her name, but I think it's
Speaker 7: something like Lisa Marie or Louisa Marie or something like that.
Speaker 7: That I think at some point they brought that up here.
Speaker 7: And it's like that she have a handler. Who is
Speaker 7: this lady that goes with her Everywhere's like, no, it's
Speaker 7: not a handler, but it is. And she's a member
Speaker 7: of something that's called the One Campaign, which is an
Speaker 7: organ organization that's managed by Bill Gates and Bono.
Speaker 1: She goes with this environmental fighter, Greta Thurnberg.
Speaker 7: Wherever she went there, whereever she goes in the world
Speaker 7: is with her.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting that Bill Gates is involved there too.
Speaker 1: It's it's just everywhere.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the same thing that I talk about every
Speaker 6: week on my other podcast, and it's these NGOs and
Speaker 6: nonprofits who go unabated, unwatched, and you know, these people
Speaker 6: who are on the surface, they're trying to make change
Speaker 6: in the world. But like you said, uh, you have
Speaker 6: Bono Bono whatever, however you say, his.
Speaker 7: Name from Bill.
Speaker 6: Milinda Gates Foundation, Bred for the World, World Vision. All
Speaker 6: of these people who if you take the time and
Speaker 6: look at their their returns uh A lots of money uh.
Speaker 6: And and they also get funded by big corporate Apple
Speaker 6: Bank of America, Coca Cola and by the way, the
Speaker 6: last one, if the very last one, the Open Society Foundation,
Speaker 6: and who runs that George Soros.
Speaker 1: Mm.
Speaker 7: By the way, doesn't he have some sort of Jewish
Speaker 7: background or something like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, because.
Speaker 7: Going back to the Wallenberg family, there was a famous
Speaker 7: member of that family named Raoul.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the one who apparently died in trying to get
Speaker 6: the hunger, according to the official narrative, died in like
Speaker 6: forty seven, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Well he disappeared in a Russian jail somewhere
Speaker 7: and that was never heard from.
Speaker 1: Oh, ok, gotcha, something like that. But apparently he had
Speaker 1: something to do with like saving or getting all these.
Speaker 7: Jewish I guess I would say that the evil ones,
Speaker 7: all the corrupt ones, they he got them out with
Speaker 7: like false diplomatic whatever, you know, plates or passports or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I don't know what you call it, the diplomat What
Speaker 7: is the word I'm looking for?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just diplomatic diplomats.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, So he arranged for that, so basically getting
Speaker 7: all those people out of there, and I guess.
Speaker 1: We're a lot of them ended up. It's count yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why that's why we are in this really poor shape.
Speaker 1: But that you know, out outwards. We look good. We
Speaker 1: look good. It looks like a really good nation to
Speaker 1: live in, and and overall maybe it is.
Speaker 7: But when you know the truth, you know the truth,
Speaker 7: and you can't you can't see the the positives anymore.
Speaker 7: It's just we're so corrupt it's not even funny. But
Speaker 7: shall we go back to flatter which is what this podcast?
Speaker 7: I still need to get to your other podcast. I've
Speaker 7: I've been so engulfed in this podcast, I can't even
Speaker 7: tell you I have. I live, like I said, a
Speaker 7: long way outside of anything. The nearest city is eighty
Speaker 7: kilometers about fifty fifty five miles away.
Speaker 3: Fifty and I complained about that thirty drive.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, And I love my drive.
Speaker 7: My morning drive is the best part of my day
Speaker 7: because I wake up and I get my car and
Speaker 7: I can sit there and I can listen to podcasts
Speaker 7: and drink my coffee or whatever I want to do,
Speaker 7: and by the time I get to work, I'm completely awake.
Speaker 7: And I look at my friends who live ten minutes
Speaker 7: away from work, and they roll in halfway to sleep.
Speaker 7: So I'm awake when I get to work, which is amazing.
Speaker 7: Everyone should try that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I need to.
Speaker 7: I'm I'm I think I'm less than ten episodes away
Speaker 7: from catching up with with your podcast this one and
Speaker 7: after that, I'm absolutely gonna check out the other one
Speaker 7: because it's it sounds intriguing to me.
Speaker 1: But Flat Earth a few things that I wanted to
Speaker 1: bring up that apart from the six.
Speaker 7: Silver bullets, I've always thought about the whole tilt, the
Speaker 7: twenty three point four degree whatever, yep, And in my mind,
Speaker 7: I have I struggle with finding like, how do you
Speaker 7: determine that? Because in a world that floats around in vacuum,
Speaker 7: what is up and what is down? How do you
Speaker 7: determine the angle off of anything when there's no up
Speaker 7: and there's no down. If you level on the side
Speaker 7: of the globe, up is right or left. If you
Speaker 7: live in the bottom, up is down and so on?
Speaker 1: So, how do you determine the angle of the tilt?
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's a question that we can kind of
Speaker 6: connect to everything. How did they come up with, you know,
Speaker 6: the what's in the core of the earth. If the
Speaker 6: deepest hole is only eight miles, how did they come
Speaker 6: up with ninety three mili? And when you actually take
Speaker 6: the time to ask the questions you get I don't
Speaker 6: even know how to how to say you get. You
Speaker 6: get answers that are kind of sugarcoated, kind of like
Speaker 6: general and they're not Again, it's theory, because even if
Speaker 6: you ask that question, you'll be told that, well, we
Speaker 6: came up with that by making careful observations of the
Speaker 6: sun's position in the sky and the solstices, the equinoxes,
Speaker 6: the sun dials, and then they'll go back to Pytheus
Speaker 6: and Marcel and all the people that you know were
Speaker 6: accredited with the earliest measurements of this, that and the
Speaker 6: other thing. But you will never get a direct answer.
Speaker 6: You'll get a lot of dancing. You'll get references to Copernicus,
Speaker 6: to ancient Greek astronomers, et cetera, and observations of the sky.
Speaker 6: But if we come up with something like that with
Speaker 6: actual facts about curvature about water, we laughed at. We're
Speaker 6: the ones who get ridiculed.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're idiots.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you mentioned that that they know the core
Speaker 7: of the Earth and all that. But it doesn't stop there.
Speaker 7: Even though they've never had any drilling equipment on the Moon,
Speaker 7: as far as I know, they still know what the
Speaker 7: core of the moon is.
Speaker 1: They still know that the moon used to be this
Speaker 1: and they used to be that, And how I mean,
Speaker 1: does are are? Was I this?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Really? Was I this dumb? Like if I go back
Speaker 1: to before I discovered flat Earth? Was I really this dumb?
Speaker 7: They didn't just accept everything they said, because everything is
Speaker 7: backwards pro problem solving. They they find a mathematical formula
Speaker 7: that explains whatever that they want to explain. But it
Speaker 7: wasn't like the formula was there first and they had
Speaker 7: to figure out what it led to. They had the answer,
Speaker 7: and now they created the formula to explain it.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And Tesla pointed that out. He said, science has
Speaker 6: become math. And well, you know, when I was a
Speaker 6: little guy, my parents told me to listen to my teacher.
Speaker 6: And when my teachers were in college, they were told
Speaker 6: to listen to their teacher. And the yeah, their teacher
Speaker 6: was told to listen to their teacher. And at the
Speaker 6: end of the day, their teacher were the ones who
Speaker 6: wrote the curriculum. And they're the same people who wrote
Speaker 6: the history books, and they are the people who control
Speaker 6: this matrix that we live in.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I also have another in my mind, very
Speaker 7: interesting thought like, I don't know what is holding our
Speaker 7: atmosphere in, Like, what is it that's holding it there
Speaker 7: so it doesn't like just disappear out into out of
Speaker 7: space that actually wants to suck the atmosphere out?
Speaker 1: What is it that holds it?
Speaker 7: Yeah, well the atmosphere that we have, well, they told
Speaker 7: us it is gravity, right, it's gravity. Now I find
Speaker 7: it extremely interesting that gravity has this extreme power that
Speaker 7: it doesn't hold it down to Earth, but it lets
Speaker 7: it go all the way up to there where it's
Speaker 7: like almost out of its reach, and then it stops
Speaker 7: it but not quite.
Speaker 6: If you look at the rules for gravity to everything,
Speaker 6: it doesn't make any sense whatsoever, right because they literally
Speaker 6: tell us that our atmosphere is being held in place
Speaker 6: by gravity, which keeps it from drifting off into space.
Speaker 3: That is like verbatim what they tell us.
Speaker 7: But if gravity can hold it up there at that height,
Speaker 7: it should hold it flat down to the Earth like
Speaker 7: it should be down.
Speaker 3: On the ground right right there? Should no, there should
Speaker 3: be no in between.
Speaker 7: No, So it lets it go all the way up there.
Speaker 7: But let's just say it does that. So there's a
Speaker 7: sharp line that Okay, this is as far as I'm
Speaker 7: going to let you go. I'm going to hold you
Speaker 7: right there, and as the Earth is spinning at like
Speaker 7: faster than the speed of sound, I'm going to hold
Speaker 7: you right there. So there must be a line in
Speaker 7: between space and our atmosphere that actually spins.
Speaker 1: But if you go ten more feet, it doesn't spin.
Speaker 1: There must be a line.
Speaker 7: It has to be a sharp line where it stops right.
Speaker 7: So if that spins, imagine coming from outer space, coming
Speaker 7: from moon, come from the Moon, and you come into
Speaker 7: our atmosphere that's moving at that speed. I mean, that
Speaker 7: must be like being t boned by a freight train.
Speaker 7: If you're going from vacuum where absolutely nothing affects your
Speaker 7: sideways and you fly straight into our atmosphere that's moving
Speaker 7: faster than the.
Speaker 1: Speed of sound.
Speaker 7: Every spaceship that ever left and come back, as they
Speaker 7: come back into our atmosphere, they would just go flying sideways.
Speaker 3: Once again.
Speaker 6: If you if you ask those questions or present that information,
Speaker 6: you know you'll get a you're you're you're not a scientist.
Speaker 6: You didn't go to college for that. And that's what
Speaker 6: they want people to think is, let's just leave it
Speaker 6: to the professionals. Let's leave it to you know, the
Speaker 6: people who went to college for four years and know
Speaker 6: what they're talking about. And again, I'm not trying to
Speaker 6: belittle anyone's you know, professionalism.
Speaker 1: Or oh yeah, let's let's do that occupation.
Speaker 6: But in this case, absolutely I will because when an
Speaker 6: entire genre is based on theories with with no with
Speaker 6: no concrete proof, it deserves investigation.
Speaker 1: In question, Yeah, and the Moon, it's extremely interesting.
Speaker 10: In the Moon.
Speaker 3: That's cheez.
Speaker 1: It's that slip the cheese.
Speaker 7: No, I mean it's it's apparently it spins very slowly
Speaker 7: around its own axle or whatever, but it's orbiting around
Speaker 7: Earth at if I if I'm not wrong, I think
Speaker 7: it was at more than two thousand miles an hour.
Speaker 7: That's how fast it travels around Earth. More than two
Speaker 7: thousand miles an hour.
Speaker 1: Like, good luck parking that vehicle.
Speaker 7: They built on something that's moving at two thousand and
Speaker 7: if you look at the video of that video the
Speaker 7: whatever when the moon Lander took off, like shouldn't it
Speaker 7: be like it took off and the camera is gone
Speaker 7: because we're moving at two thousand miles an hour and
Speaker 7: that thing that went up, it just went up, but
Speaker 7: he kept going up and the camera was right below it,
Speaker 7: following it as it left.
Speaker 1: I mean you're moving at two thousand miles an hour
Speaker 1: as fast?
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, But then you're going to get they're going
Speaker 6: to give you the same answer as they do with
Speaker 6: airplanes here, and we know that, you know, with planes,
Speaker 6: once you cross the southern hemisphere, these folks should be
Speaker 6: putting their nose down constantly, right, And then you have
Speaker 6: the sixteen emergency landings.
Speaker 3: Which which proves that the globe lie. You know, there's
Speaker 3: just so much that goes into it.
Speaker 6: And when you try to present these questions to people,
Speaker 6: you just get the the deer in the headlights look,
Speaker 6: you get the well what does it matter? Which goes
Speaker 6: full scale back to to the very first episode we
Speaker 6: ever did, Why the lie? So all great stuff.
Speaker 3: We're down to the last few minutes, so I'll give
Speaker 3: you the final word, sir.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, wasn't prepared for that. I want to say
Speaker 1: that the number one thing is.
Speaker 7: Trust yourself, trust your instincts, trust your your gut, because
Speaker 7: if you look at all these things, it just doesn't
Speaker 7: make any sense. We have a son that's according to science,
Speaker 7: it's shrinking. It's shrinking by what is a zero point
Speaker 7: one percent per century. Well, according to them, the universe
Speaker 7: is like billions of years old. That thing should have
Speaker 7: been like down to the size of a pea by now.
Speaker 7: And also the gravitational pool that that Sun has to
Speaker 7: all the whole galaxy.
Speaker 1: You know, we should have waved.
Speaker 7: By bye to the Sun a long time ago and
Speaker 7: just drifted off into whatever. Because the gravitational poll of
Speaker 7: something that's shrinking, that's five feet per hour, that it's shrinking,
Speaker 7: it's eating itself, it's burning itself, it's its own fuel.
Speaker 7: So how does it maintain the gravity, the gravitational pull
Speaker 7: to hold the whole galaxy together and make it spin
Speaker 7: at these ridiculous speeds around it without drifting off.
Speaker 1: Just use your common sense.
Speaker 7: And I'm sure this is like preaching to the choir,
Speaker 7: because I would guess that most people that are listening
Speaker 7: to this, they're part of the choir, and they're.
Speaker 1: All just going up yep, yep.
Speaker 7: But every once in a while, just like I popped
Speaker 7: in as a new person, there's a new person popping in.
Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 7: Trust your instincts, trust your gut. Logical thinking will get
Speaker 7: you very far. I say that when I discovered flat Earth.
Speaker 7: That's when I became flat out level headed. That's what
Speaker 7: I call myself. I am level headed now. I didn't
Speaker 7: buy into the whole COVID thing, partly because I I
Speaker 7: knew the whole medical industry was corrupt. But I mean,
Speaker 7: there's no way I'm going to let some devil's cocktail
Speaker 7: be injected into my god given blood. That's not going
Speaker 7: to happen, not in a million years. Trust your instincts,
Speaker 7: trust your God. You're a lot smarter than you think
Speaker 7: you are. And if you ever felt like anything was off,
Speaker 7: it's because it probably is off. So hold on to
Speaker 7: that thought, dive into it, and just find the truth.
Speaker 7: And the truth is easy to find. Open up a Bible.
Speaker 7: That's where it is.
Speaker 1: It is right there.
Speaker 7: You read the whole thing. I know it's hard to understand.
Speaker 7: I find it extremely difficult to understand, but there are
Speaker 7: so many sources that you can use to decode it
Speaker 7: if you want, or just understand it. And once you do,
Speaker 7: I mean you'll see it. You'll see it all. And
Speaker 7: I feel like, and that's probably very dangerous feeling that,
Speaker 7: but I feel like it would be really hard to
Speaker 7: deceive me right now because I feel like I have
Speaker 7: God on my side, and I think that He will
Speaker 7: reveal the truth to me if I just keep my
Speaker 7: eyes open and my heart open. And yeah, I feel
Speaker 7: like I'm safe, but I will never I will never
Speaker 7: act like I'm safe. I will continue to listen to
Speaker 7: what he tells me and go with my gut because
Speaker 7: I believe that's God speaking to me.
Speaker 3: That is a great way to wrap up this podcast.
Speaker 6: I'm of the thought that critical thinking they may very
Speaker 6: well save our lives right now. It is very important
Speaker 6: to question everything more than ever. And I've said many
Speaker 6: times I think we're in this timeline because God believes
Speaker 6: that we can handle it. And I'm so glad to
Speaker 6: have had this conversation with you, John. And to all
Speaker 6: the listeners. We'll have John's email address his link right
Speaker 6: there in the show notes if you'd like to reach out,
Speaker 6: which I'm sure a lot of you certainly will, so, John, again,
Speaker 6: thank you so much for your time. I can't thank
Speaker 6: you enough. To all our listeners, thank you for your
Speaker 6: continued support. God bless each and every one of you.
Speaker 6: And until we meet again, my friends, keep your head
Speaker 6: on a swivel and we will see you.
Speaker 10: I know it's been a struggle. I don't know you've
Speaker 10: had spain. I know you feeling tied, hell down all
Speaker 10: the way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know you feel. The more.
Speaker 11: You smile ain't the same.
Speaker 10: Also, were go from you? She like you lost your way.
Speaker 4: Don't give it, No, don't give it and never is home.
Speaker 4: Don't let call the primise. It ain't done yet, he's gone.
Speaker 4: I'm glad.
Speaker 5: Why it's a way, got up? Let me come?
Speaker 3: Why it's a wait god MC.
Speaker 10: I can see the street beside you.
Speaker 12: Child's putting up five. Oh, you're stronger than a thing. C. Yeah,
Speaker 12: you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead found.
Speaker 5: Beautiful.
Speaker 1: You're shoving ride.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you're living breath.
Speaker 1: You can hold your head a pie.
Speaker 5: Don't give up. No, don't give in.
Speaker 4: Never loss home.
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Speaker 4: No, don't give in you never love home. Don't let
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Speaker 4: W's a way town the god up?
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Speaker 2: Got up?
Speaker 4: Steamy cold?
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Speaker 11: Don't give up, no, don't give in, never lose all,
Speaker 11: don't they go of the primis not me and dumb
Speaker 11: Yeng's got up playing watch and we die kind of
Speaker 11: eve cous and don't give.
Speaker 10: Up, No dog giving, never the ho dog Let go
Speaker 10: of the crimes.
Speaker 5: It ain't done.
Speaker 10: Love's worth living in what's and died.
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Speaker 5: Colds all, the God of need cos.
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