WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.160 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:29.719 When you look on the sky, do you feel the poll? 3 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:32.840 The question why. 4 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:40.880 The stories told and left behind in shadows where the 5 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:48.280 truth we find. They built their tails on crafts and 6 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:50.200 lines on. 7 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:54.000 Theories they stake their designed. 8 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:59.640 Put down here on this solid. 9 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:05.719 Brown Welcome back truthseekers from around the world. It's time 10 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:09.840 for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I'm 11 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:12.799 your host is always George Hobbs. As we record on 12 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:16.040 this February the twenty fifth, twenty twenty five, It's a 13 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:18.200 beautiful day here in the Mid Atlantic region. I hope 14 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:21.519 everybody is doing well. We have a great guest standing 15 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:24.359 by joining us from Sweden. We'll have John on in 16 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:26.719 just a moment before we do, just two quick reminders. 17 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:31.359 The website is the flat earthfiles dot com. There's a forum, 18 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:33.719 a chat room, much to do there. Again, it's the 19 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:37.000 flat Earthfiles dot com. And if you would like to 20 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.359 join the show like John is today, simply send us 21 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:45.760 an email to FE filesguest at gmail dot com. Again, 22 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:50.439 that is FE filesguest at gmail dot com. And as 23 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:53.760 we continue to make our schedule through March without any 24 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:58.000 further ado, let's bring on today's guest from across the Pond, 25 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:00.439 if you will. His name is John, and how are 26 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:02.120 you today. 27 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:03.359 I'm doing fine, George. 28 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:04.959 How are you doing doing well? 29 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:07.879 It's a pleasure to finally meet you after back and 30 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.680 forth for it seems like about the last month or so. 31 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:13.240 But it's great to have you on. And you have 32 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:16.800 a very interesting story. I love hearing people's kind of 33 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:20.599 awakening process. And before we get into the conversation, why 34 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:23.280 don't you take a few moments and introduce yourself to 35 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:23.840 the audience. 36 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:28.080 All right, Well, like you said, my name is John, 37 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:31.240 I'm fifty two years of age. I was born and 38 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:33.159 raised in the northern part of Sweden. 39 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:36.439 What else? 40 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:42.240 I worked as a roof I'm married the wonderful woman 41 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:44.120 and it's a few years back. 42 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:46.199 It's actually my second wife. 43 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:54.280 Have two biological sons from previous relationships. Their age, oh, 44 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.240 let me see, it's twenty one and thirty one. And 45 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.439 then I have two bonus kids from my previous or 46 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:04.599 my present marriage, which is a boy of living and 47 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:05.280 a girl. 48 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:06.800 Eight. 49 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:09.960 Yes, they just turned eleven and eight, and also have 50 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:11.599 a bonus son in the US. 51 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:14.319 It'll be twenty five soon. 52 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:21.599 I spent close to ten years living in the US. Well, 53 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:25.199 my life here where nature loving people. Me and my wife. 54 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:29.960 We're hiking, camping, fishing, all those things are high up 55 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:34.400 on the list of things to do. Also enjoy gardening 56 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:36.759 and doing small projects around the house. 57 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:39.479 Animals. 58 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:43.919 We have a dog, two cats, a few chicken and 59 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:47.039 I guess that's that's about it. 60 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:47.759 Sums it up. 61 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:48.759 That's great. 62 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.280 And if you're to be an outdoors person and to 63 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:54.479 be in Sweden must be incredible, especially the fishing up 64 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:57.639 there and with the. 65 00:03:57.680 --> 00:03:58.560 Chickens as well. 66 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:02.039 I don't know if you've been tained paying attention to 67 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:05.360 the news over here that they're starting to do the 68 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:07.960 vaccine with the chickens and the protein. 69 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:09.919 And you know, it's interesting. 70 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:11.919 When I did my radio program last week, I talked 71 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:13.960 pretty in depth about how if you go back through 72 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:17.360 the history of eggs, back during World War One, they 73 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:19.920 encouraged every American you know, for every one person in 74 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:23.199 your household, two hens, and then here you are, one 75 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:27.720 hundred years later, the egg shortage, the mass culling of eggs. 76 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:31.360 Even I probably jumped too far ahead. I don't recall, 77 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.399 or if you recall, back in the seventies, we were 78 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:35.879 told that eggs. 79 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:36.439 Were bad for you. 80 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:39.079 Absolutely yeah. 81 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:41.079 And at the same time they had this push with 82 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:45.360 the cereal companies how healthy they were in you know, 83 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.920 special k which was always advertised as this super healthy 84 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:52.560 cereal is actually one of the worst worst cereals you 85 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:56.240 could eat, very bad for you. So, you know, that 86 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:59.360 is something that not really until my later years have 87 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:03.160 I really come to find the lies of like the 88 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:06.199 food pyramid and just all the other things. 89 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:09.040 You know, again, eggs are bad for you. 90 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:12.399 I guess where were you in your you know life 91 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:16.680 when you started to realize that a lot of the 92 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:20.560 things that we were told was a lie. 93 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.079 Well, I guess it came in like different steps and 94 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:29.720 the whole food and and well, I guess medicine and 95 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:33.639 all that that that came about in I would say 96 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.519 around two thousand and fourteen. 97 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:40.800 I guess that was when. 98 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:46.240 My my ex wife, who was she's an American, she 99 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.879 moved with me to Sweden when I moved back, and 100 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:55.839 she was diagnosed with the cancer. Poor research here I 101 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:59.199 did not find like figure out the translation of the 102 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.199 type of can answer. But it's it's in your in 103 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:04.879 the neck and it's like right on the side on 104 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:10.199 the bottom of it the jaw, and she had a tumor. 105 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:14.920 And well, when I don't know if I should I 106 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:17.519 tell the whole story about that now or just tell 107 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:23.519 you that's that's when I realized that what we eat 108 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:27.560 and what we're prescribed and all that, it's lots of 109 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:28.199 lies there. 110 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:30.079 Yeah. 111 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.879 And if you break it down to brass tacks, as 112 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:37.680 I said many times, as being healthy people is not 113 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:41.000 good for the far the medical industry right because it 114 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.279 has become a business not just here but around the world, 115 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.720 and and and a healthy person that does not farewell 116 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:49.759 for the medical industry. 117 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:51.319 Yeah. 118 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:56.000 Absolutely, that's if if they carry you right away, then 119 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:59.839 you're not a customer anymore, exactly basically keeping you sick 120 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:04.639 and keeping you. Are you abscribing to their medication? 121 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:07.959 Absolutely? Absolutely? Are you have the belief that? And then 122 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:10.000 you know it's the Flat Earth Files. We'll get into 123 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:11.519 your journey to flat Earth and then we'll come back 124 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:14.360 to this conversation. But just while we're right here, do 125 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:17.639 you believe that they have known cures for all of 126 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.920 these things? You know, you can insert illness here, whether 127 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:22.920 it be cancer or cystic fibrosis. 128 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:24.920 I mean, you can run down the list. 129 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:26.399 Do you think that they And of course, when I 130 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:28.160 say they, you know the powers that be, Do you 131 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:32.839 think they have and are able to treat these illnesses? 132 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:35.519 And maybe that's the reason when you see a Rockefeller 133 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:38.600 or a rothschild die either a hundred or one hundred 134 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:39.639 and two years old. 135 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:43.279 I actually don't believe that they have the cure. 136 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.399 I believe that they know the cause of the right 137 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:52.079 the problem, and there is no medicine for it. It's 138 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:54.639 just go back to God and go back to what 139 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:57.199 God gave us. And that's pretty much. And if you 140 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:01.959 stick to that, then there's basically nothing it's gonna you know, 141 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:02.920 it's not going to affect you. 142 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:07.920 Yeah, And it's difficult because they do poisonous from the air, 143 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:11.079 you know, the chemtrails here every other day for the 144 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:14.040 folks who live in the city, the fluoridated water. And 145 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:16.800 then again, if you go to the grocery store. I 146 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:18.839 did this last time I went. Number one, I was 147 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:22.160 shocked at how much everything costs. But number two, probably 148 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:28.519 sixty percent of the the like boxed items, canned items 149 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:31.319 have bioengineer foods in them. 150 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:35.039 INGREDI it's basically a game of pick your poison. When 151 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:38.399 you go to the store. Yeah, all it's all bad 152 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:38.679 for you. 153 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:43.000 It is, it really is. Outside of the fruits and 154 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:46.360 things of that. Let's get into your journey to flat 155 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:51.559 Earth because obviously you've gone down many of the rabbit holes, 156 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.679 many of them the medical industry, the food industry. But 157 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:58.399 let's talk about how you came upon flat Earth. 158 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:04.519 Well, when it comes to I don't know, I like 159 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:10.960 to call it being conspiracy aware, not con theorist. That 160 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:14.519 that started, like for a lot of people that started 161 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:16.440 the same way, it was like nine to eleven and 162 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:17.799 everything that came after that. 163 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:20.759 Short story there. 164 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.519 I actually my first visit to the US was in 165 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:27.600 late August of two thousand and one. I stayed for 166 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:29.919 a couple of weeks and I went back to Sweden 167 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:34.120 the day before nine to eleven. So I came home 168 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:37.080 to Sweden and I went to visit my mom to 169 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:42.240 talk about my trip, tell her about my adventure, and we're. 170 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:43.919 Sitting on her couch and. 171 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:47.919 The news was on in the background on the radio, 172 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.240 and we heard about it from on the TV. It's 173 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:53.759 all the whole thing. So I guess I managed to 174 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:56.600 escape one day before it happened, so that was lucky. 175 00:09:56.759 --> 00:09:58.840 But then it was a couple of months before I 176 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:00.639 could get back on a plane go back to the 177 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:04.320 US because I had met my my ex wife when 178 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:05.879 I was there on vacation. 179 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:11.919 Continue I apologize, Yeah, no problem. 180 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:15.879 Yeah, so kind of lost it there. 181 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:21.679 You would escaped the day before basically nine eleven, Yeah, exactly. 182 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:25.000 So yeah, I got back and and I was fine, 183 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:26.519 But then it was a couple of months before I 184 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:28.039 could get back on a plane and go back to 185 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:32.360 the US to continue, you know, the relationship with my 186 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:37.080 my ex wife. And so it's kind of a close call. 187 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:39.639 I guess, if you want to call it that. I 188 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:42.320 don't really think that all of that happened the way 189 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:43.360 they say it happened. 190 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:52.039 But anyway, flat Earth was kind of I guess you 191 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.639 could call it a progression of things because you used 192 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.120 to it started with nine to eleven, got into the 193 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.879 whole medical thing, the food, and. 194 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:06.159 Once you're aware of the lives, then you're just you know, 195 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:09.039 you're going to be a lot more attentive to things 196 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:13.080 that's going wrong going on around you. And it started 197 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:18.879 with this telegram channel that I was on. I guess 198 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:21.360 that would have been maybe two or three years ago, 199 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:28.960 and there was this guy that came popping popping up 200 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.519 in one of the channels that I was on. I 201 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.840 don't know his name, but I think someone's mentioned him before. 202 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.360 It might have been Caleb or something like that, a 203 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:42.000 blonde guy, and he kept popping up and I just 204 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:43.639 kept ignoring it. 205 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:46.279 I'm hearing a bit of it. Echo. Is that a 206 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.399 problem on your side or is it just on my side? 207 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.000 Now you're coming through Crystal Clear here? 208 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:55.480 Okay, great, So I I kind of just I didn't. 209 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:58.559 I didn't listen to it or click on it or anything. 210 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:03.759 But after a while, my first my first reaction was 211 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:08.440 people still believe that. I mean, it's like seriously falling 212 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:13.639 off the earth whatever. So I clicked on it once 213 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:20.120 out of curios curiosity, and I guess something that he said, 214 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:22.919 I don't remember what it was kind of got me 215 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:26.480 intrigued and I started looking into it. And one of 216 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:29.639 the first places I went to was, well, of course, 217 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:34.039 I did a few Google searches, which is about the 218 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.720 dumbest thing you can possibly do when you want to 219 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:43.679 find the truth truth about anything. But I I found 220 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:47.480 your podcast, and that was my That was step one. 221 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:50.720 I listened to the very first episode by the lie 222 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:54.919 and that was less than a year ago, and. 223 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:57.679 That opened my eyes. 224 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:02.519 Like I I at first, I was very skeptical, I guess, 225 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:06.960 and but it's just something about the way that you 226 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:14.000 present things and you come across as very real, honest, 227 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:18.679 and I absolutely love the way you interact with you guests. 228 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:22.120 It's just very different from any of the podcasts that 229 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:26.679 I've ever listened to about on any subject. So that 230 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.200 kept me going and kept me listening. And since I've 231 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:35.759 had I've had too I don't know if I want 232 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:38.919 to call myself a Christian, but I've I've had some 233 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:42.480 sort of a belief in God, a creator every since 234 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:45.000 that was a child that had this one experience that 235 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:49.519 kind of swung me that way. But I haven't been 236 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:52.960 very active with it. I've gone to church and periods, 237 00:13:53.000 --> 00:14:00.200 but never really like dove deep into it. And I 238 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:02.960 I glanced through the Bible every once in a while. 239 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:06.480 I look for passages that kind of fit me right now. 240 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:16.279 And yeah, I wish your podcast one that got me 241 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.679 on track with with the flat earth and understanding. 242 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.759 That, well, that's very humbling. 243 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:24.440 We don't we don't, we don't leave them. 244 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:29.320 At ball exactly, but I think your story sounds similar 245 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:34.600 to mine, to whereas you had gone down other say 246 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:38.080 rabbit holes, And for me it was once you start 247 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:43.279 to understand that, wow, everything since almost the beginning of 248 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:47.799 time at least, you know, has has lies intertwined it. 249 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:51.159 It if not flat out lies, why would this one thing? 250 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.360 When you take a step back and you look at 251 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:59.600 the spinning, the speeds, the distances, just everything that's involved 252 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:03.039 in it, you just kind of say, man, you know, 253 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:05.039 how did I buy into this? 254 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:08.120 But yeah, and everybody has different experiences. 255 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:11.159 For me, it was you know, obviously I've made it 256 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.759 very clear it was a two week ordeal, But for you, 257 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:15.600 you were like many of the other people's just in 258 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:16.759 of course moment. 259 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.120 Right, Yeah, it was exactly. 260 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:24.960 It's when first, when when I really got it, it 261 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:27.600 was just like, well, of course, it is like, how 262 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:29.120 could I not have seen that before? 263 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:31.080 How did I? 264 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:36.320 Because I am I consider myself being a pretty awake person. 265 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:41.799 I'm not I'm not very much below average intelligence. I 266 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:44.759 think that I should have seen it. I just felt 267 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:48.559 like I should have seen it. But yeah, I just 268 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:52.080 felt like, of course it is. It makes perfect sense. 269 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:53.679 What would you. 270 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:59.679 If you were to point out some suspects, right, that 271 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:03.519 were involved in the hijacking of our minds to get 272 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:06.799 us to believe these lives. Who would you say that 273 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:10.440 the top three suspects would be so for in my case, 274 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:16.919 I would probably say the education system would be number one. 275 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:21.480 You could say the military industrial complex because if you 276 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:25.879 take a close look NASA, the space agencies, all the 277 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:29.639 companies who are involved in the military industrial complex are 278 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:33.480 also the same companies involved in quote unquote the space 279 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:36.200 race or whatever you want to call it, the ones 280 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:40.919 responsible for making the all of the equipment, the rockets, 281 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:45.480 et cetera. To me in retrospect, it was this is 282 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:50.399 how the military industrial complex was able to make money 283 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:52.960 during quote unquote peacetime, right. 284 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:53.919 And I hear. 285 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:58.000 The Cold War all the time, and I kind of 286 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:01.080 laughed because nothing really happened. We're told that we were, 287 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:05.799 you know, just so close to coming to blows with 288 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:10.599 Russia in the early sixties and everything. Yeah, but digress again, 289 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:13.799 who do you think of the main contributors to the lie? 290 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:21.319 Well, of course I could list the same you know suspects, 291 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.400 the school system, the education all of that is. 292 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:28.079 A huge part in. 293 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:33.119 Shaping our minds from a very young age, and you know, 294 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:35.799 it's just going down to go back to when my 295 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:39.319 parents were children. They started later in school and they 296 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:42.839 didn't spend as many years in school, and my grandparents 297 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:43.440 even less. 298 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:46.920 So of course, it's it's a growing thing. They start 299 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:49.079 earlier and they just go harder. 300 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:55.799 So that's a big thing. But somewhere, I mean it 301 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:00.920 started somewhere a lot before schools, I would say. The 302 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:04.519 number one suspect is of course the guy that sometimes 303 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:08.000 it as a red being with horns and the tale 304 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:12.200 and whatnot. Yeah, that's where it all stems from. It's 305 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:19.559 his struggle. It's his battle to just steal souls away 306 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:23.559 from God, and all the other ones are just foot 307 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:26.200 soldiers that are doing what they're told to do. 308 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:31.680 Indeed, and that's something I feel sometimes like I have 309 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:34.000 different conversations when I'm trying to talk to people. If 310 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:38.480 I'm discussing something with someone who is of faith, I'll 311 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:42.119 cite the Bible, et cetera. And you know, if you're 312 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:44.880 trying to have a conversation with an atheist, it's a 313 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:47.880 little bit of a different kind of direction you need 314 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:50.079 to come from. Eventually, you still want to bring up 315 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:52.319 God and try to present God to them and the 316 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:56.559 Gospel of Jesus. But you know, you know, there's when 317 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:59.160 you're trying to submit to truth to people. You know, 318 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:01.079 there is the things of the world, like we said, 319 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:03.519 like the education system, this, that and the other thing. 320 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:05.160 But you made it perfectly clear, and you made a 321 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:08.480 great statement that these are simply the foot soldiers of Satan. 322 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:11.079 Because at the end of the day, you know, I 323 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:11.960 find it funny that. 324 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:14.640 All these we we do have a lot of atheists 325 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:17.119 within the truth community, but they're very quick to point 326 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:21.119 out that our government is run by Satan worshippers. So again, 327 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:24.960 if if there's if Satan does exist, then you know, 328 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:34.920 obviously there has to be a God. Yes, And am 329 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:40.160 I assuming correctly that when you came upon flat earth 330 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:44.480 that this opened your eyes more towards the Bible, et cetera. 331 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:51.279 Yes, well, my eyes were opened, and and I I 332 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:55.240 always prayed like from like I told you, I mentioned 333 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:58.319 it briefly that I had an experience as a child 334 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:04.240 that made me very aware of the fact that God exists. 335 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:12.400 It wasn't anything spectacular, it was just I was unhappy 336 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:15.880 one day at the daycare that I was at when 337 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:19.599 I was a kid. And I remember running away from 338 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:23.599 my daycare lady and into it was a little wooded 339 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:27.400 area behind the house, and I sat there in a 340 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:30.440 very tall grass and I sat down there and I 341 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:34.960 just prayed, and I prayed for my mom to come 342 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:39.559 pick me up. And well she didn't, not right then 343 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:44.880 she came at the normal time. But the what happened 344 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:51.000 was as soon as I prayed, I felt this peace 345 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:52.519 and I was. 346 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.279 I was at peace. I was I wasn't upset anymore. 347 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:00.400 I went back to my daycare lady and I just 348 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:05.920 went about my day is normal, and I was just calm, peaceful, 349 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:10.000 and I will never forget that moment. So it's always 350 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:14.359 been with me. But I haven't been active enough in 351 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:18.440 my mind. And I guess it's a little bit like 352 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:22.119 having having a girlfriend that lives in Japan when you're 353 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:27.400 I don't know, in Sweden. Long distance, it's kind of 354 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:29.599 hard to connect. It's kind of hard to feel that 355 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:34.160 closeness and all that. And that's pretty much what flat 356 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.799 Earth gave me, was the the feeling of being close 357 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:41.880 to God and feeling that, I mean, he's right here, 358 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:45.799 it's not someone that's long distance somewhere I don't know 359 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:47.359 where it just signals coming. 360 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:52.200 It's like He's right there. Yeah, that changed the whole thing. 361 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:55.200 That is such a great analogy, and that is something 362 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:58.000 that I try to stress And the same thing happened 363 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:00.559 to me because it almost prior to that, you know, 364 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.519 God was in this other dimension, right, and but but 365 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:08.319 when you when I found flat Earth and I started 366 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:12.240 reading the Bible correctly and understanding that you know, like 367 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:14.599 you said, God is right above us looking down upon us. 368 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:15.759 And that is the. 369 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:17.759 Reason why we look up when we pray, because He 370 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:22.119 is right above us. And it does bring that that 371 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:28.279 sense of closeness and actual have real meaning just you're 372 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:33.880 not you're not praying to It's really hard to explain, 373 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:38.559 but but it it made me whole Like before that, 374 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:41.200 even though it's interesting, like to me, I thought I 375 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:43.720 was a good Christian before that, and then when you 376 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:46.680 come full term and you see you're able to see 377 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:51.279 the evils of the world, and how much more important 378 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:53.039 it is just showing up to church one hour a 379 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:55.920 week and being able to read the Bible and uh, 380 00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:59.880 you know, just that analogy you made with the closeness 381 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.279 of it is uh is tremendous because it does give 382 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:04.920 you that sense of closeness. 383 00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:09.039 Yeah, it makes all the difference, It really does. 384 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:09.880 And then. 385 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:15.279 Where in your in your journey, Well, before I proceed, 386 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.079 obviously you heard the podcast, but you still had to 387 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:21.119 do a do some research for yourself. When we talk 388 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:26.559 about our you know, silver bullets, et cetera. What were 389 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:31.799 the the examples that were provided to you or that 390 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.799 you came upon that were like made it obvious that 391 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:35.960 we weren't living on a ball. 392 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:41.839 Well, there are a few different ones. 393 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:48.200 I mean, I guess the number one thing after after 394 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:51.440 you know, finding your podcast and listening to it, of course, 395 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:55.079 I went outside and I realized that, yes, we can. 396 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:56.680 See way too far. 397 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:00.000 And like I live close to the mountain San Sweden, 398 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:03.039 and like I said, we love hiking and camping and 399 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:06.160 we go up in the mountains sometimes. And when you're 400 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:09.920 on top of a mountain and you look out, there's 401 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:15.000