Speaker 1: Yes, surely you can't be serious. You are listening to Yes,
enjoy it, you will listen. You must even latching bound
an gone.
Speaker 2: Okay, d we're about to start season six.
Speaker 1: Do you have the treasure map? Yes? I have the
treasure map. Do you have the stones? You're dang right.
I got the stones. I also have some pictures of
your mind. Make it in the bath you want to
buy them? My gosh, are you nuts? I'm the nuts?
I'm crazy. Welcome back, everybody. It is the beginning of
season six. And do we have an action packed, bigger
than life treasure hunting competition at our beck and call here?
Oh my gosh, it is the Goonies versus Indiana Jones
and the Temple of Doom.
Speaker 2: When you're talking about influential movies from the eighties, yeah,
these are two of the big I mean, these movies
impacted generations.
Speaker 1: My kids love them, your kids love them. We still
love them.
Speaker 2: And actually we are finishing off the Indiana Jones trilogy today.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's so we say trilogy because once you're done
with Last Crusade, you might as well stop. That is true, right,
that's true. But for those of you who are just
joining us today. Please go back and check out our
other Indiana Jones episodes. We have one of our very
first in our very first seasons, we have a matchup
of Indiana Jones and The Raiders of the Lost Arc versus.
Speaker 2: Lucas tried to change the name a few years ago,
and I have always rejected that that movie is called
Raiders of the Lost Arc.
Speaker 1: I actually am fully with you. I think that maybe
the first time I ever said that I've just got
stuck on Indiana Jones. Oh gayse, forgive me, absolve me
of my sins. Right, So we did Raiders of the
Lost Arc versus Back to the Future, Yes, which is
a great connection that we almost redid this time, because
we talked about instead of doing Goonies versus Temple of Doom,
we talked about doing Goonies versus Romancing the Stone. We
did We almost did that, which would have been Zamechis
and Spielberg, right, just like Raiders and Goonies. But then
I saw, oh, hey, you know key Hu kwan Is,
he's everywhere now right, He's got he's got one movie
that just got released called Love Hurts. He's got another
big one coming out called The Electric state, which I mean.
It's directed by the Russo brothers who did all of
those awesome Marvel movies. It's written by Chris Marcus, who
did the Marvel movies, you know, Infinity War, Endgame, First Avenger.
He also did Chronicles of Narnia. And it's got Chris Pratt, Millie,
Bobby Brown, Key Hu Kwan obviously, and Woody Harrelson. And so, okay,
I'm excited about that one. It is. It is on
my list of movies to watch. I feel like I'm
letting the team down.
Speaker 2: Like Jeff Johnson basically put a gun to my head
and said, you've got to watch everything everywhere, all at once.
Speaker 1: You haven't seen it, No, I haven't seen it. Okay,
So I've got a story for you. And you know,
normally we start these things off like I was saying.
When we did Raiders of the Lost Arc back in
season one, we had a fantastic history. When we did
Last Crusade last season, we had another fantastic history where
we covered some of the stuff about Temple of Doom.
We talked about the fact that it was you know,
we were comparing two sequels because Temple of Doom is
not a sequel. It is a prequel exactly, takes place
nineteen thirty five, one year before Raiders. Yeah, one year
before Raiders. And so anyway, we we have all of
that history. So I don't really want to go into that.
But since we have Goonies which has kwan as data right,
and we've got Temple of Doom which has kwan as
short round, and he's in all of these movies, I'm like, okay, well,
this is kind of our quand double feature. So I thought,
you know, what's he been doing for the last thirty
years or twenty years or whatever it's been since he
was making movies. The last thing I remember seeing him in,
like back when we were kids, was like in Sino Man.
Speaker 2: He had a bit part in a Sina Man with
Sean Aston as a matter of.
Speaker 1: Fact, Oh yeah, Sean Aston will yeah, and then Brendan
Fraser of course. Brendan Fraser. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We took a vote and the computer Club.
Speaker 1: He was the president with the valuable asset to our
organized saying Shuter Club Computer Club, Oh boy. And they
both won the Oscar that year, got the whale and
you got everything everywhere all at once. Yeah, they get
to meet up again. I mean it was a very
small part, but he's just been kind of gone. So
I was like, I want to know what happened with
this dude. Right, So the history I'm going to give
you is the Quan history. I'm not going to give
you the necessarily the Goonese history or the Temple of
Doom history, because well it overlaps all sorts of stuff
we've already done. We've talked about it so many times.
But here's his story. Right, he's the first actor born
in Vietnam to win an Oscar. But he's not Vietnamese.
He's Chinese. So he was born in seventy one I think. Okay,
and so he's close to our age, but he's older
than us. That doesn't seem right, Yeah, but okay, keep going.
So he was born in Vietnam but Chinese descent. Well,
I don't know if you remember this thing called the
Vietnam War. It was a big battle over communism, and
he was born in South Vietnam, and of course China
is communist, and so there was this big movement just
to mean, he's just a few years old when the
Vietnam War ends, and so then there's like this big
push in South Vietnam to kick out all of the Chinese,
like they're in danger because of their worry about communism.
So he and his family, he's got like several brothers
and sisters, they have to like escape on a boat.
He and his brothers and father go to Hong Kong.
His mother and sisters go to Malaysia and they're like
in camps, like they're just they're barely making it, and
they just luck out. There was a US refugee program
for those displaced Chinese people, and he and his whole
family they've managed to get back together again. Got to
move to La which is where he grew up. And
he got to La in nineteen seventy nine. Okay, so
he missed Star Wars. Unfortunately you're here in time, right,
And he hadn't really seen Raiders, Like he was still
pretty young kid when Raiders came out. And so when
there's this call for a new movie that they're looking
for Asian kids for his little brother goes to audition
and as you know, as the casting director is sitting there,
he sees Kwan like pepping up his little brother and
giving him acting techniques and ideas and stuff like that.
And they're like, hey, come over here, would you like
to try to read for this? And he's like, oh, okay.
And so it's just coincidence that they saw him prepping
his little brother that they called him in and they're like,
we really think this is the kid. And so when
they get a call a little while later, his mother
and he have no idea what this is about. They're
just like, hey, this, you know, I'm Steven Spielberg, or
like you to meet me and George Lucas, and they're like,
we feel like this is important. So she bought him
a three piece suit, and so he shows up and
meets George and Steven, and Steven just starts laughing at
his three piece suit and gives him a big hug
and they talk for a minute and he says, you
know what, come back tomorrow and dress and you're more
relaxed kind of clothes. And so when he comes back,
it's Harrison Ford, George Lucas, and Steven Spielberg. They immediately
fall in love with him, and he gets the part
of short Round four Temple of Doom. That's fantastic. That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: In fact, I heard that they sat Harrison Ford down
with the kid, and they said, improva game where he's
cheating like Indiana Jones. Here's the Ford's cheating and you
catch him cheating and you're mad at him.
Speaker 1: Ready go? And of course that shows back up in
the movie. Here I very small, you very big, you
cheat very big?
Speaker 2: Right, He's like they got stuck together. No no, no,
yeah you no fun, no fun to play with you.
And so that was all born out of an improv
session when they were casting him.
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. It's one of my that's one of the
best little comedy scenes in there because it's this great
dark movie intermixed with these little comedic little motives. It's great. Yeah.
So two important things happened from Temple of Doom. Number One,
Steven Spielberg says to him, Hey, good job on this movie.
I've got another movie where you pay play this kind
of James Bond character who has all these gadgets. It's
called The Goonies.
Speaker 2: How about how about I make you in two great
movies right.
Speaker 1: Back to back, right. And then the other thing is,
you know in the movie he uses taekwondo to fight people, right.
So it was at Temple of Doom that he started
learning taekwondo. Okay, he didn't quit, so he had initially
started training with Philip Tan. He ultimately ended up training
with Tao lying Tan, who also taught Bruce Lee's daughter,
So not too shabby, right, Yeah. He ends up being
like a second degree black belt in taekwondo. As he's
as he grows, you know, as he's kind of doing
these bit parts and movies and going to school, he
is still studying martial arts the whole time. Well parts
for him kind of dried up, and so by the
time he's you know, in Sino Man, you see him,
he's a high school kid. Right the time he's done
with high school, he's not gotten any more offers, and
so he decides, I'm going to go to usc film school.
So he goes to film school over there, and he
ends up getting a job with a director called Corey Yin,
and he the director is also a guy who does
action choreography, and so Kwan uses his martial arts skills
and learns action choreography from this guy, and he becomes
like the martial arts trainer for different people in all
of these movies that he's become a part of. Behind
the scenes. So he works with this director Corey Yin
on X Men. Graphe for X Men. That's cool.
Speaker 2: He does the fight X Men like with Hugh Jackman
and all these guys.
Speaker 1: Yes, not like the Chinese knockoff version of the X Men,
like the real X Men with all of that fighting.
Kei Kwan is the fighting coordinator for those things, as
they also did the One Together. You know that jet Lee,
Jason and Statham, Carla Guncino, Jetly Hall pass by the
way for Carlo Guncino, I'm not familiar with her. Is
she the Spike Kid mom on the Spike Kids son
in law? Yes, yes, yeah, I know you're talking about
she just a smoke show bro.
Speaker 2: She was in the City Jovie video always well that I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, but okay, yeah yeah, yeah yeah law yes
with poly Shore. Yes, yes, of course that's yes, as
long as we're talking about Brendan Fraser movies and yeah, okay.
So they end up going they go to Hong Kong.
He gets another mentor named Wang Kar Why who did
the Chunking Express in nineteen ninety four, which is an
eight on IMDb. In the Mood for Love from two thousand,
which is eight point one IMDb and twenty forty six,
where Ki Kwan serves for his first time as the
first assistant director. I would get to seven point four.
I'm like hitting my my watch list for IMDb. I'm like,
I want to see these movies. I mean, even if
I have to listen to, you know, dubbed or subtitled movies.
I'm excited about this. But then he's like he's feeling
kind of like he's missed out on things, you know,
like he's missing something because work kind of dries up.
And so he's like, well, I'll make some short films
didn't work out, I'll try some writing didn't work out.
And then he sees crazy rich Asians and he's like,
I want to start acting again, okay, And so he
calls up a buddy of his who is an agent,
and he says, I'd like to get back into acting.
Would you like to present me? And the guy's like, sure,
I will do it. Two weeks later, one of the Daniels.
The Daniels are the guys who directed everything everywhere, all
at once, Okay. They're trying to find and actor who
can play both a goofy, kind of inept husband who's lovable, okay,
a James Bond kind of love interest character for a
different alternate universe, and a master martial artist for yet
another alternate universe. And they can't find anybody. And then
he sees this gift of short round just on the computer,
and he's like, wonder, whatever happened to that guy? Well,
that guy got an agent two weeks earlier. Wow. And
so he calls up the agent and they said, hey,
we're we would love for you to read this script
if you can. And so he reads the He reads
the script and he's like, I laughed and I cried,
and I realize everybody says that, but this script was
an amazing and original script, which I can't believe you
have not seen that movie yet. I know I'm letting
the team down, I'm telling you. So they see him
and they're like, yes, you get the part. But that's
a big movie, like it's produced by the Russo brothers,
speaking of them, right right. And so in the meantime,
he's having some lunch with a friend. His friend starts
talking to a director he knows just like has directed
some TV episodes for various important TV shows. Right her name,
her name is Jude Wang all right, and she's like,
I'm about to do this Netflix movie. It's a combination
of Indiana Jones and Goonies. And he's standing right there
and he's like, I was in both of those movies.
And so four months later she calls them up and
she's like, hey, do you want to have a part
in this movie? And so sure enough, I think it's
called Searching for Ohana. He has a little warm up
acting bit before he goes into everything everywhere, all at once.
Just a small part in this in this Netflix movie. Wow.
And it all comes from the connection that we have
here to these two movies we're talking about today. That's fantastic, man.
A good story, nice, good origin story.
Speaker 2: There by the way, it is rich coming from you
pointing your.
Speaker 1: Finger at me. I know I haven't seen Commando, which
we're going to cover. I have not seen Rambo, which
we're covering later this season against each other. Yes, yeah,
I also haven't seen sant Almo's Fire, which we might
be covering this season as well. So here, you're right,
you've got some work. I've got some homework to do
as well. And also you revealed that you had never
seen Red Don. I have never seen Red Don. I
have never seen about Last Night. There's a lot of kids,
you know, the R rated movies. I didn't get to
see them. Yes, most of the time, that's fair.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Red Don, Just while we're here for just
a second trivia question, what is the first PG thirteen
movie ever released?
Speaker 1: Red Don? It's Red Don? How did I figure that out?
I led you right to it.
Speaker 2: However, Yeah, the reason why we have PG thirteen movies
basically you can lay at the feet of Indiana Jones
and the Temple of Doom. Yes, and Gremlins right which
who wrote Goonies Chris Columbus And who wrote Grimlins?
Speaker 1: Chris Columbus. Huh yeah, I mean there you go, right
right there.
Speaker 2: And it was Spielberg's brain chot like He's like, listen,
this should not be rated PG.
Speaker 1: We don't want it rted R.
Speaker 2: There should be something in between PG and R. And
parents were I mean parents were upset. Yeah, people eating
chilled monkey brains.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure how polter Geist wasn't in the
conversation for this thing, but.
Speaker 2: Polter Geist really was maybe the beginning.
Speaker 1: Of the whole thing. I mean, Jeezy, you look at Jaws.
I mean Jaws for goodness sake is a PG movie
that's nuts, I know, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the scene in Polter Guys with the guy peels
his face off, I mean that was a double hand
peek through.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was not able to eat fried chicken for
a while after watching that movie. We got to do
that one soon, We got to cover Polter Guys. Poltergeist
has to be a Halloween episode in the season or
the next time. All right, which of these movies going
to dive deep on? First? You want to hit Temple
of Doom while we're right here. I mean, Temple of
Doom came out in eighty four. Goonies came out in
eighty five. It seems like we should go ahead and do.
Speaker 2: That, Okay, So I think it's interesting the genesis of
Indiana Jones at the Temple of Doom.
Speaker 1: We know, Raiders of Lost Dark became.
Speaker 2: This global phenomenon that was hugely successful. I remember looking
at newspaper ads in nineteen eighty one basically saying held
over for another six weeks and it just would.
Speaker 1: Not leave the theater go away.
Speaker 2: And it made gobs of money and was nominated for
Best Picture, and it was just this incredible thing and
I love it. It's still my all time favorite movie. Okay,
But shortly after Raiders Are Lost Dark, Steven Spielberg makes
another movie that goes even higher. Yeah, and we've covered
that movie. We covered that movie when we did our
Summer of nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that movie is called Et Et Et Versus The
Thing Versus Blade Runner. Fantastic. I loved that. I was
one of my favorite episodes that we did. So you
guys definitely go check out. I mean that's season two
that we did that. Yep. Yeah, so season two or
season three, go check out Et Versus The Thing Versus
Blade Runner, three phenomenal movies that were released within two
weeks of each other, all June of eighty two.
Speaker 2: Basically, The Thing and Blade Runner were buried in the
wake of ET.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so was everything else to be fair, Yeah,
And so Spielberg was not on just on fire. He
was on Mega fire at this point, and they're a
little bit worried that they're not going to get him
for Temple of Doom.
Speaker 2: Even though George Lucas and Steven Spielberger are like best buddies. Yeah,
and Lucas is I mean, he makes the Star Wars
movies for crying out life. It's not like he's a nobody, right,
But they're a little bit nervous that if we don't
get on this thing, Steven's gonna be doing other things
and wish he's gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like this is that was like eighty two,
So literally in eighty two there they started writing the
script on this thing that's right now. When they did Raiders,
Steven Spielberg says, George Lucas told me that or made
me promise that I would direct all three because he
had three story ideas. That was a lie, right, we
had to write the other two stars that was that
was not true. And you know, if you want, if
you want some little deep dive into the Monkey King,
which was a potential suspect to go check out our
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade episode. But they they
also talked about Haunted Castle they did, which is ghost.
Spielberg was like, I just did Poltergeist. We can't do
Haunted Castle. That doesn't make any sense, right, but yeah,
they they then they went to Lawrence Kasden and they're like, hey,
can you write us another script? Right? Yeah? And Kasden
didn't beat around a bush on this one. He was like,
I did not want to do this movie. I thought
it was an ugly subject. I thought it was just mean,
and I didn't want to be a part of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So before we get to that point, though, I
want to throw this one out there.
Speaker 1: This is the idea that I thought was the worst. Okay.
Speaker 2: And Lucas can come up with some terrible ideas. And
I love the guy and I respect him to death,
and he shaped my.
Speaker 1: Childhood for Pete's sake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, he comes up with like these
action sequence ideas in his head, and one of them
was a motorcycle chase on the Great Wall of China.
Speaker 1: Yeah right. He also talked about leftover scenes from Raiders
of Lost Ark. Well, do you know the rest of
the scene on the motorcycle chase on the Great Wall?
He comes across some artifact which opens up the Lost
World and there are dinosaurs. That's that was the bad
idea of it was like a good idea of bad finish. Right, Yeah,
I've seen whatever that the Land of the Lost. I
don't want Indiana Jones to go to the Land of
the Lost. That's a terrible idea.
Speaker 2: Right, But in the original script for Indiana Jones, they
had a like a biplane.
Speaker 1: We do see that later.
Speaker 2: It just reappears in Last Crusade. Yep, right, they had
a he was supposed to like this, the head piece
of the Staff of Raw was in two pieces. And
so the gunfight in China where he was supposed to
get one half of the Staff of Raw, yep, jump
out of an airplane in a life raft.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to he was supposed to dodge machine
gun fire while running behind a gong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the gong, right, yeah, and then he was going
to end up That's how he's going to get to Nepal,
like jump out of the airplane and the life raft
and then go see Marian and get the.
Speaker 1: Other piece, and yep, yeah, that's how he's supposed to
end up in the Himalayas.
Speaker 2: And thankfully Casden said no, let's just streamline this whole
thing a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, But those pieces were.
Speaker 2: Left over with the Monkey King and the Haunta Castle
and that whole thing, and.
Speaker 1: Also the mine cart. The mine cart, it's a leftover
for Raiders of the Lost Arc. It didn't make it
in and so they said, hey, let's let's bring it
in on this one. So they got They got the
folks that George Lucas had worked with on American Graffiti. Yes,
married couple of writers named Willard Huck and Gloria Katz,
and they in early eighty two, they spent four days
at Skywalker Ranch brainstorming ideas to try to come up
with what's going to work. One of the things that
they came up was with was the name of some
of the characters. Okay, as everybody knows, Indiana gets his
name from George Lucas's dog. Maybe everybody doesn't know that,
but that's that's what happened. Indiana is the name of
George Lucas's dog. Yep. So Steven Spielberg had a dog
named Willie, so that's where you get Willy's character. And
the Hucks had a dog had a dog named Short Round.
Now I saw this, and then I saw that they
got that name Short Round from a movie called The
Steel Helmet. I went and looked at The Steel Helmet.
Person who plays Short Round is a young Chinese boy
who's helping the American soldier. His name's William Chun. If
you want to go look it up. But I thought, well,
that's a nice little circle there. They named their dog
after the little Chinese boy, and then they named the
little Chinese boy after their dog. That's it, right, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: By the way, I told you this, and I don't
want to jump on anybody too harshly.
Speaker 1: But when you have Lawrence Caston and he creates this
amazing script for Ridgers of the Lost Ark and Empire
strikes back, and Empire strikes back, yeah, I think you
bend over backwards to bring him back.
Speaker 2: And if it means scraping your idea and you know,
starting over, I think you do that. But of course
Lucas is hardheaded, and he said, well, we're going to
make this demonic temple thing in India, and Casin's like,
I don't really want to do that.
Speaker 1: I don't like that at all. There's just a guy
who puts his hand into somebody's chest while they're still
alive and pulls out there still beating heart, and then
it catches on fire as they're dunked in a molten
lava dip. Right, what's dark about that?
Speaker 2: I mean, black magic and child slavery, it's all.
Speaker 1: It's all fun and games. I don't know why Lawrence
Kasten was being so sensitive.
Speaker 2: Right, So the Hawks, the married couple, as you said,
worked with Lucas on American Graffiti. They go on to
bigger and better things after Temple Doom.
Speaker 1: No, that's not true. They right, whatever happened to them?
This is how you kill a career.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you do Temple a Doom, which is a
big money maker but really one of the most disappointed
in Indiana Jones movies up until the latter two.
Speaker 1: Yes, and a absolute success by comparison to those two,
that's sure.
Speaker 2: But they go on to do Best Defense. The Dudley Moore,
Eddie Murphy, Eddie Murphy, Oh right, Eddie Murphy is in
it for like ten minutes, does nothing, but it was
sold as an Eddie Murphy movie and people hated it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like even Eddie Murphy hated it. Right, he was like,
this is the dumbest thing I've ever been a part of.
Dudley Moore, and he did Beverly Hills Cop three. Go
back and check out our Beverly Hills Cop three episode.
Speaker 2: But after Best Defense, they go on and they help
right Howard the Duck, Oh.
Speaker 1: Wanh wanh wanh ah. That's a good what the heck happened?
We got to do that. I'd love to me. They've
got the writers from American Graffiti and Temple of Doom,
and then you get Howard the Duck like and it's
got Leah Thompson just in her hottest time of her life. Yeah,
and a Marvel comic and it all just crap. It sucked.
That movie sucked. What that sucks? Yeah? So yeah. I
mean again, guys, if you haven't seen our what the
heck Happened, We've looked at Beverly Hills, Cop three and Superman.
Speaker 2: Four and Jaws four and Phantom Menace and Star Trek
the Most Picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and you know what, some of those movies
turn out to be better than they were back then,
but most of them they're they're worthy of the hate.
We do like to take the deep dive into what
what happened? Why? Yeah happened? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this summer we're going to do Batman and Robin
Versus Superman returns.
Speaker 1: At Nipples Stalker Superman. By the way, I just want
to mention one other thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, George Lucas came up with the idea before they
had short round in mind. He wanted this virginal princess
idea to be a sidekick of Indiana Jones.
Speaker 1: We already have a pedophile Indiana Jones problem with Raiders.
We do not need to like bury it completely. She
knew what she was doing.
Speaker 2: We've already established Barry and knew what she was doing
was a child.
Speaker 1: We weren't a virginal princess. That's right. Yeah, yes, Spielberg
and and Willard Huck and Gloria Katz both while all
wisely said we're not doing that, George, Yeah, that's funny.
All right.
Speaker 2: Do we want to dive into the cast or we
want to flip back.
Speaker 1: To let's talk about the goonies. Right, let's go back
to goonies. Come in, you're so stup. Spielberg is coming
off of Temple of Doom. But he's already got he's
already got the Goonies in the works, so that he's
ready to talk to Kee Kwan immediately. Right, Hey, you
worked a short round. Come on over.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do this great movie about foreclosure in the
goon docks.
Speaker 1: The goon docks, right, you know more about that, Like
why it's called the goon Docks. No idea, no idea, Okay,
and we haven't found it. And we looked. I could
barely even see them nipples.
Speaker 2: Let's yeah, in this, in the Goonies, you've got Steven
Spielberg at the height of his powers. Yep, You've got
Richard Donner at the height of his powers. Yeah, you've
got Chris Columbus on the way up right. Yeah, I
mean Chris Columbus writes Gremlins, he writes Goonies, he does
Young Showick Holmes, that's all.
Speaker 1: In eighty forty five.
Speaker 2: He directs Adventures in Babysitting. We talked about him when
we did Christmas Vacation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about him in Gremlins too, And that's
a great His story is a great story because he
was a very intelligent guy, got a scholarship to film school,
and then forgot to fill out the paperwork to keep
the scholar and so he had to start working like
in some industrial plant. Right. He couldn't afford a decent
place to live anymore, and so he's living in this
rat invested flophouse and these little rats keep scurrying by
his fingers and nibbling at his fingers, and he wakes
up with the idea for Grimlins. And so the fact
that he was dumb and a dumb kid and didn't
get his scholarship led to the creation of one of
the most iconic movies of the eighties, which then leads
to Steven Spielberg going, Hey, loved what you did with Grimlins.
You obviously can write kids very well. Why don't you
come over here work on this story idea that I have.
Speaker 2: You remember why you read that script, the Grimlin script?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Chris Columbus is name. Because he's like, hey,
this guy's really named Chris Columbus, right, yes, yes, it is,
my god, yes, sir.
Speaker 2: Interesting that John Williams doesn't work on the Goonies at all.
Speaker 1: It is, it is. But you've got the guy who
does the score. Well we can we'll talk score here
in a little bit. Yeah, we'll talk score part two.
Okay forget Okay, So Spielberg recruits Donner and they think,
first order of business, I mean, they've got an idea
of what the story is going to be. We know
it's going to be about kids, right, and first order
of business is we've got to find a place to film, right,
and they're down in southern Los Angeles, right right. They
literally start driving up the coast just looking, let's let's
find this place. I mean, we know that there's a
pirate ship, so we have to be somewhere near the ocean.
And so they're just literally driving up the California coast
until California is now Oregon. Yeah. Yeah, And so they
run into the next state and they get to a
story organ and it is pouring rain, like it's a
torrential downpour, and they're just like, guys, we just got
to stop. I can't drive through this, and so they
just get a hotel for the night, not even thinking
this is a place, right right. They wake up in
the morning, it is no longer raining. They're all getting
in the van to start heading further north to trying
to find the location. And then the sun comes up
over the horizon and they see this beautiful little town
that has all these wonderful homes intermixed with all of
these beautiful trees, and it's like magic, like it's just like, guys,
this is it, this is it, this is it. And
so they literally the story takes place in a story
organ that is where they filmed virtually all of this.
It's fantastic. I will say this. I loved the look
of the town. It looks quaint, it looks piratey, you know, oceane,
you know. But there's a real for people who like to.
Speaker 2: Visit these places where places where movies are filmed and
stuff like that. For some reason, this really draws a
lot of people. In fact, the gooney House like was
bought by somebody a few years ago and they have
to put up a no trespassing because people were walk
like walking on the porch and taking pictures and looking
in the windows and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: If you want to go to Google Earth huh, or
street view on Google Maps, it's three sixty eight thirty
eighth Street in Astoria. If you want to see Haystack Rock,
which is that iconic rock. Yeah, just google Haystack Rock
and you'll be able to see that's a real deal.
Like they saw that and they're like, gosh, this is
another perfect place to film. It looks like a little
medallion could tell you where to start looking for the
treasure pot Trivi your question for you? Yeah, Another kind
of prominent movie was shot in a story organ any ideas.
Speaker 2: No, I don't have any kindergarten cop Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah that's a great one. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
there you go. Fantastic. Okay, let's talk about the cast. Okay,
let's do casting, all right.
Speaker 2: So, as Mikey in Goonies, you have Sean Aston.
Speaker 1: But that tells me the truth. You know what he said?
He told me that one Eyed Willie his bunch were
down there for five six years and they were taking
all these tunnels and caves, sitting booty traps, booby traps,
that's what I said, Sitting booby traps so that anybody
tried to get in they were die. And then you
know what he did. He killed all of his men.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, he had done one other thing, like a
TV movie before he was hired to this, right right.
The TV movie he did is is a TV movie
called Please Mom, Don't.
Speaker 1: Hit Me, which start his own mother. Oh wow, right now,
Sean Aston is the son of the guy from the
Adams family. Right, well, Gomez is he? I don't know?
Is there? I mean, there's a story. Okay, wow, this
is exciting. Okay. Yeah. So his mother is Patty Duke.
She's a famous American actress. Yeah, yes, the Patty Duke
Show where she played twins.
Speaker 2: There you go, ill. I used to watch it all
the time. Okay, yeah, well she became pregnant.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: But she wasn't sure who it was, all right. It
was either Desi Ernez, Yes, that Desi Ernez. Oh, John Aston, right,
go mess from the Adams family, Go Mess from the
Adams family. Or Michael Tell, who is like an author.
Oh all right, okay, so here's the deal.
Speaker 1: Sean has said.
Speaker 2: All three of those guys are close enough where he
if he needs fatherly advice. He loves all of them.
They're all involved in his life. It's a great deal.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: He grew up believing that John Aston was his dad,
given the last name, and all yeah, Gomez from the
Adams family. Well, when he was like fifteen or something,
they did at paternity test and it's Michael Tell.
Speaker 1: H the author. Yes, okay, but it could have been
one of three. It was one of three. It was
one of three. It wouldn't it have been terrible if
it was not one of us? Oh yeah, I forgot
about that one. Gosh. So there you go. Uh.
Speaker 2: And then you also have Josh Brolin, who has hired
as brand my new tired.
Speaker 1: Who is James Brolin's son, James Roland's son. I'm pretty
confident that that one's actually his dad. Yes, I think
that's true. By the way, do you know the story,
Like Josh Brolin, of course, he's got this part in
Goony's and then you don't see him in much of
anything for a long time, right, and then all of
a sudden, No Country for Old Men comes out and
he's he's got that part, and he says he did
it for basically nothing, but it launches him like he
is now a megastar because of that movie. Well, the
story is, he wasn't supposed to get that offer. The
Coen Brothers thought they were offering the part to his dad, James,
the guy who we talked about. He was a potential
James Bond, like James Thorne was a potential James Bond.
He was. He was in all those nighttime soap operas
from the eighties, right. But they the Coen Brothers sent
it to Josh thinking they were sending it to James. Oh,
and so he stole the part from his dad. How
about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, his dad, as you mentioned was in a lot
of soap operas, was in line maybe during the Octopus
Years to take over the James Bond part.
Speaker 1: He also plays the pee Wee Herman.
Speaker 2: Spy version on the big screen as p W with
Morgan Fairchild.
Speaker 1: Pee Wee Herman. This is a movie that came out
in eighty five as well. Right, ye are we going
to do that movie? I love that movie. I know
you love that. I love it. I do not love
that movie, but okay, I'm going to turn the tide
for you. Okay, all right, And I have actually seen it,
Praise God. I mean that's something. Yeah, but I saw
it as an adult instead of a child. Okay.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about Josh Brolin though. He talks about
his rough upbringing, and I'm like, wait a minute. Didn't
you grow up in Malibu?
Speaker 1: Didn't you have a didn't you have a.
Speaker 2: Really famous dad? Like well, he would steal cars to
buy heroin Oh wow?
Speaker 1: Prior to the Gooney movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, he was involved in this like little surfer punk gang. Right,
that is crazy steal cars to buy drugs.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, where else you gonna get money? Not
from that? I guess?
Speaker 2: So did you know that he was married to Diane Lane.
Oh I think I did know like a decade. Yeah,
so Brand from the Goonies married Cherry Valence from the Outsiders.
Yeah how about that? Yeah, Okay, let's talk about Jeff
Cohen for a second.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Brand Michael Jackson didn't come over to my house,
but his sister did.
Speaker 2: Jeff Cohen might be the greatest, foremants.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, he does so great in this movie, and
I really don't think I've seen him in anything else,
no other than when he's talking about making this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. So he originally came in to do
the part for Mouth because he could do voices and
stuff like that. But when he did it, they're like,
why don't you come back and this time read for chunk.
So he went back and read over the chunk lines,
came back and got the part. Now, who were going
to have for Mouth? They didn't just automatically give it
to Corey Feldman, even though he was a very experienced actor.
Uh huh you heard this story. Well, he had to
go read for it, and you know who he saw.
He ran into this guy named Corey Haym Yeah, right
right right. The Corey's met for the very first time
because they were both reading for the part of Mouth
in the Goonies. How about that crazy.
Speaker 2: By the way, I want to tell you a quick
story about Jeff Cohen. So Cohen goes on to be
an entertainment lawyer. Okay, right, he actually represents Kei Kwan
as his Lawyertastic.
Speaker 1: You didn't know that. I did not know that. There
you go. Okay.
Speaker 2: So, in fact, when he won his oscar, he thanked
him and I want to thank my lawyer, Jeff Cohen Chunk, right,
you know, Okay, But there is a scene in the
movie I want to point out to you. Okay, it's
when Chunk is he's been sort of captured by the
Fortellies and he's eating ice cream below them.
Speaker 1: He's like, you guys didn't listen to me. I told
you you didn't listen.
Speaker 2: Yes, And they reach down, they grab and they pulled
the ice cream out of his hand, right, and then
he's sad, but at least he's got the spoon and
he goes this, put the spoon in his mouth, and
they yank the spoon out of his hand and he
starts to cry.
Speaker 1: He just.
Speaker 2: You can hear Richard Donner laughing. They kind of cover
it because they make it kind of sound like it's
Chunk crying.
Speaker 1: It's Donner laughing. So you're blame. I got me very
That's that is awesome. He does so well in this part.
Donner talked about his doing this movie and he was
They're like, well, you know, in the middle of it,
how do you feel about it? He's like, I contemplate
suicide at He's like, individually, each of the kids were
wonderful and great people and fantastic actors. But once you
got them all together, it's what happens when you get
kids together, especially boys, right, everything everything goes out the window,
like everybody's nuts and distracted. And you know, they say
that a boy has a brain, two boys have half
a brain, and three boys have no brain at all.
And so yeah, you get all these kids together plus
the heroin addicted Josh Brolin, and it's it's not a
good mixture. But he said the other the other side
of it was they were so youthful and childlike that
it made him feel youthful and childlike as well, which
I don't want to I don't want to deep dive
into the back meaning of this movie, because this is
really just a fun movie. But this is a movie
about holding onto your childhood, right, Like, sure, what we
have at Steak is not just you know, we're trying
to find a treasure. This is our last adventure before
our childhood is taken from us. Those are big steaks, right,
and so and and and Aston is the perfect guy
to be the every man. Guys, We've got to do
this because.
Speaker 2: Our time, our time down here.
Speaker 1: You got it. That's perfect, That's exactly right. Yes, that's it. Okay,
let's talk about Corey Feldman for a second, okay? Or
what is is that? All? You know? I wanted to
Venus Sclepede. I want to see a fresh about one.
The only thing we serve is.
Speaker 2: Corey Feldman had one of the greatest runs in the
nineteen eighties.
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people.
Speaker 2: He's a weirdo and he does things that he looks
like he just drives people nuts like he.
Speaker 1: I don't I can't figure out how he is not
clued into his own weirdness. He's weird, man. I mean,
there's he's got so much potential because he is a
good actor. He's fantastic his mouth in this. Yeah, let
me just read off the movies that he did in
the nineteen eighties. Okay, yeah, stop me when you've got
a stinker. Okay, right, all right, You've got The Fox
and the Hound.
Speaker 2: Oh right, yep, you've got Friday the Thirteenth, the final
chapter where he basically kills Jason.
Speaker 1: Yepkay, you've got Gremlins. Spoiler alert, sorry, sorry for Gremlins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gooonies, stand by Me, the Lost Boys. Yeah, Licensed
to Drive the Burbs, Wait.
Speaker 1: Wait, licenses drive, moment of silence for Heather Graham.
Speaker 2: All right, go ahead, license to drive, and then the verbs. Yeah,
and then you've got dream a little dream. Now that's
a stinker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as you say, there you go, there's your stop point.
Speaker 2: And really from that point on, yeah, it's a little rough.
Speaker 1: But that run right there. Impressive. Yeah. So yeah, he
does a great job.
Speaker 2: He does wear the Purple Rain T shirt the entire time,
which I secretly love. Right, Yeah, go back to our
Purple Rain track by track episode one of.
Speaker 1: The best albums in the eighties. So.
Speaker 2: Chris Columbus's first screenplay, Yes, was a movie called Reckless
Yes that was edited by Albert Magnoli, who went on
to direct Purple Ring.
Speaker 1: That's right, right, great, yes, go back and check out
our Purple Rain versus Footloose movie to movie, album to album.
Wonderful story there. That's right. Okay.
Speaker 2: Then you've got keyhoy Kwan who plays Data.
Speaker 1: Good Shoes Shoes are you?
Speaker 2: He does this James Bond type of character, and he
has all these little gadgets that he does. I put
it out to our text group today, the Shirley League.
When Data uses his little the little teeth chompers right.
And actually there's a deleted scene that cracks me up.
He shoots the pinchers and it gets mouth in the button.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's so funny.
Speaker 2: But he says, guys, I've been saved by my pinchers
of power.
Speaker 1: Power, right.
Speaker 2: I thought it was power. You thought it was power.
Everybody thought it was power. On the subtitles, it's pinchers
of peril.
Speaker 1: You guys. I'm mistad his pictures.
Speaker 2: So our buddy Pat Cannagallo sent me a copy of.
Speaker 1: The script Gonna Canagallo from the thirty something Movie podcast.
Speaker 2: Go check that, Go check those guys. Yeah, And so
I checked the script. It's pictures of Harrol.
Speaker 1: I've been I've been rocked for forty year. Things you
only learn on the Shirley Podcast and gentlemen, that's it.
Carrie Green plays Andy. Yeah. She she did a great job.
Huh cute. Yeah, disappeared. She's been in a few things,
has she Well, I.
Speaker 2: Mean she was in Summer Rental with John Candy, Okay,
she was in Lucas with Charlie Sheen and Corey Haim.
Speaker 1: That was before this. That was after this, That was
after this, Okay, that was shortly after that was all
like right around the same time, right around the same time, right,
so what after not much? Yeah, okay, not much. Yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, another person who auditioned for that role
carry Green's roll. Yes, yeah, Heather Lane camp Oh from
Nightmare and el Street l Street Yeah, Nancy Zone yeah.
Speaker 1: Yep, okay.
Speaker 2: Martha Plimpton plays Steph Yep. She was in like Parenthood
Mosquito Coast. When I watched the commentary, just just reading
the room, Corey Feldman seemed to bug everybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody loved Key.
Speaker 2: Josh Bolin was their leader, and then Martha Plimpton was
actually kind of the humor of the group.
Speaker 1: Really she was the funny one. Okay, what a great
combination of characters there, because you have the popular cheerleader
with the sarcastic, kind of nerdy, homely girl. That's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, I feel like I'm babysating. I'm not getting paid, right, Okay,
I want to talk about John.
Speaker 1: Mctusac, who plays Sloth. Okay, does that name ring a
bell to you? Yes? It does, because I did a
best of nineteen eighty six with Jeff Johnson of the
Film By podcast, right, and we did one Crazy Summer Yes,
And at the beginning of it hoops on QSX character
is being chased by this motorcycle gang and there's this big, bushy, bearded,
pink haired motorcycle guy and it's John metusac. Yes, And
I was like, I've recognized that dude's face. Where do
I recognize it from? Well, I started searching him, like, oh,
he was an NFL player, and it was this weird
thing where like he was playing for the NFL and
the AFL at the same time. They literally had to
serve him seasoned assist papers on the field. But he
was this big, bad burley football player who then got
into acting, and then I was like, well, what else
has he done? And then I saw he was Sloth
on Goonies and I'm like, oh yeah, of course, this
giant Burley guy. And I'm like, what happened to him?
Oh yeah? Like two years later he died from a
extreme drug overdose. I will say this though, is Sloth
the heart of the Goonies. He's one of the hearts
for sure? Yeah, I mean yeah, And you've.
Speaker 2: Got this gigantic NFL football player playing this could be weird,
messed up careagter kind of of mice and men.
Speaker 1: Okay. Also in this movie, you've got as the Fertellies,
you've got Robert Dove. Robert Dove who was Agent Johnson,
not the the other one. But did you know he
was trained as a classical singer, Like he started his
career as a singer.
Speaker 2: Makes sense because he flexes his muscles a little bit
and he sings.
Speaker 1: The opera and everybody's like, oh gosh.
Speaker 2: And then he was a bad guy and licensed to kill.
He was a bond bad guy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And then you've got Joe Pentlano, who if
you if he's such a great bad guy. I mean,
he's the best bad guy in Matrix. He is a
fantastic sort of crummy bad guy in Memento. I mean
he's just he's good as.
Speaker 2: A bad in one of my eighties guilty Pleasures. He's
a bad guy in Running Scared. Okay, Robert Dove and
Joe Panteleiano they did not like each other in real life. Really,
they did not get along very well. And in fact,
they they would ease each other and do pranks to
each other that kind of pissed each other off.
Speaker 1: And guess what, it shows, well, like they have that
kind of brotherly hate in the movie. Huh. But I
thought they it was just played very well. Like there,
their hateful chemistry was good, but it was just real.
Apparently it was real life, right yep. Then you also
have the lovely Anne Ramsey. This is the third movie
that we have covered with Anne Ramsey. I don't know
how many actors have gotten three movies, but Anne Ramsey
was in any which way you can as in The
Little the Little Love Nest with her with her real husband,
that's it. And she was also with her real husband
in Scrooge, where she had the kind of small part
as one of the homeless people in there. That's right,
and I would love to cover throw Mama from the
train at that point. Well, we'll get there. He yeah. Yeah.
By the way, I didn't know this. She obviously in
any which way you can. She speaks clearly. In goonies,
it's slightly less clear, and by the time you get
to throw Mama from the train, it's almost unintelligent. Right,
the night was selfish. So she had a sophageal cancer.
Oh no, and so they had to remove part of
her tongue and like a portion of her jaw. I guess,
just to get in there to get it. And so
that's what caused your speech impediment. But she won, She
won the Saturn Award and was nominated for Best Supporting
Actress for Throw Mama from the Train for an Academy Award,
and then.
Speaker 2: Just to kind of throw a bone to her, Mary
Ellen Traynor, we've talked about her multiple times. Yeah, she
is the Walsh Missus Walsh, the mom. Yeah, the mom
that keeps all the drugs in the attic separated.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: She was the psychiatrist in the Lethal Weapon movies.
Speaker 1: Yes, and she was. She's been in a bunch of
Dick Donner movies, but also several Robert Zamechis movies because
she married. Yeah, she passed away a couple of years,
a few years ago, but it's too bad. Ye.
Speaker 2: I did want to mention Loupe Anto Verros, the maid
she plays Rosalita. Yes, she speaks great Spanish, but she
also speaks perfect English.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw the interview where she was speaking English.
I'm like, whoa, it's not what I was expecting. And
she actually helped Corey Feldman like phonetically say the words nice.
So pretty cool. Yeah, okay, that's all I've got on
on CASTINGGUNI So we also have casting four Junes in
the Temple of Doom speaking of coaching somebody through their
line so that they get them phonetically correct. Yeah, I
don't know who the actor is who played the old
Indian kind of guru in Temple of Doom, but he
did not speak English. And his name is Dr Nana Yakara.
It's easy for you to say, Nana not gonna work
here anymore, that's for sure. The whole country. So, so
he couldn't speak English, so Spielberg would literally as they're filming,
feed him the line like they'd go over it of course,
and he's like, this is the line. He'd repeat it
like okay, even as the hand motion where it's like
darkness over the whole country and then you know, yeah,
the actor would do it. But he did not speak English,
which I always thought to myself. He sure does pause
a lot in between what he has to say. Well, yeah,
that's because Spielberg was giving him the next line. Yeah, yeah,
I saw.
Speaker 2: Just on a side note, I saw somebody who traveled
to Sri Lanka.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 2: By the way, this movie was shot in Sri Lanka,
not India.
Speaker 1: India was not happy with how the Indians were portrayed,
so shot in Sri Lanka. Yeah, with elephants.
Speaker 2: And you remember the last time we talked about elephants in.
Speaker 1: Sri Lanka was it a music video? It was, okay,
it was when we talked about the Save a Prayer
video on our Duranduran Rio episode. Ah, that's right.
Speaker 2: They flew to Sri Lanka to shot. They shot Save
a Prayer and Hungry like the wolfing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Simon Leabaughn is wearing the Indiana hat basically in
that movie. It's a total takeoff of Indiana Jones and
I think that they gave him the hat though, because
he had just dyed his hair. Is that right? He
dyed his hair and it didn't look it. Our music
episodes rock.
Speaker 2: Go check out our Duranduran Rio episode tracked by Tragon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I wanted to talk to you about that.
Speaker 2: Obviously. Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones and may.
Speaker 1: Forever be Indiana Jones, even though I don't agree with that,
but always in our hearts. Yeah yeah, I mean he's
the guy who made them the mold right right. He
gets jacked in this movie. Yeah, he looks. I'm one
of these guys who will talk about what I think
overall about the story of Temple and Doom. Huh.
Speaker 2: But as far as the Indiana Jones character, he is
a badass in this He's tough and he's fit, he's muscled,
and he's cool and he's you know, one minute he's
James Bond, the next minute he's cracking whips. And so anyway,
Harrison Ford knocks out.
Speaker 1: Of the park absolutely Okay.
Speaker 2: For the role of Willie Scott, Kate Capshaw is the
one who got the part.
Speaker 1: Were your Jewels to bed Princess? Yeah? And nothing else
shock him. Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist.
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you who was up for that part,
and then we'll talk about what we think about Kate Capshaw.
Speaker 1: Well, first we need to note that it was supposed
to be Mary and Ravenwood. Initially that was the female
lead in this one. They even thought about bringing in
dad what was his name? Abner Ravenwood is a potential character,
but they eventually scraped that. I don't really understand that,
but yeah, well, her character, the character of Willie Scott,
is not Marian Ray's anti. It is the opposite. Yes, yeah, screaming,
pampered you know, city girl. Yeah, and I'm okay with that.
I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2: I wanted Abner, especially in Last Crusade, as the guy
who gives him his hat, like I thought. They talked
about making Abner that guy, and I thought the point
that would have been really cool.
Speaker 1: It would have been cool.
Speaker 2: But Kate Capshaw gets the role as Willie Scott. Here
are two names that were up for that role that
were close, okay, and no one of them okay?
Speaker 1: Which one do you know? I know? Sharon Stone was.
Speaker 2: Sharon Stone almost got that part. I could see that
she was, I mean smoldering.
Speaker 1: In the mid eighties.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, and I think she had just done
sort of an Indiana Jones like King Solomon's Minds type
of movie.
Speaker 1: Was she in that? Yeah, Oh it's terrible. My dad
maybe watched that. It was awful. Well, I think that
was her right until she landed in Police Academy Part
seventeen or whatever. So okay, yeah, but also up for
that role was Marky post Oh from Night Court. From
Night Court, Yeah, underrated babe smoking yeah, yeah, we had
to resort to the phones. It's Christine, Christine, that's it. Yeah,
So she would have been good in this role. I
think as well.
Speaker 2: She's she's funny.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I could see her playing this part for sure.
And we talked about her in our There's Something About
Mary episode because she is the perfect person to play
Cameron Diez's mom in the in the seventies and eighties.
We forgot about that.
Speaker 2: Go back and check out our Something about Mary Versus
Dumb and Dumber episode. Yeah, okay, but they Spielberg really
likes this girl named Kate Capshaw.
Speaker 1: Now he's also getting divorced from his own wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we watched the behind the scenes, and it
looks like there is flirtation going on, and it's I mean,
hiring your girlfriend is not not always the thing.
Speaker 1: She was his girlfriend when they hired her. But I
bet he was like, I want that. I like her. Yeah,
but here's the here's the story. I heard him tell
the story.
Speaker 2: So Spilwork says, I really like this girl. I want
to see what Harrison Ford thinks. He brought the tape
of the audition to Harrison Ford, went over to his house,
showed Harrison Ford, and Harrison Ford said, that's your girl,
that one right there. I don't need to see anything else.
That's her nice. So when you're kind of kind of
sweet on the girl and Harrison Ford loves her, that's
a slam dog right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think she does. She's she does the
singing number. She she looks incredible. She can sing and dance.
We had the we had a whole we had a
whole text thread about her. Marian and who is the
girl from Most Crusade elsa else on the who would
you kill? Who would you? Who would you marry? I
don't remember who put what, but the only right answer
to that is you kill Willie you marry Marian and
you fls. Somebody brought up something about a Nazi sympathizer,
and I was like, have you seen her?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right, all right, So we've already
talked about Keihug Won.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Then you've got this guy named Amrish Puri who plays
Mola Ram. Okay, that dude was terrifying.
Speaker 1: You don't believe me, right? Yeah? He was an Indian
actor and for this role shaved his head, yes, and
that painted it read And that guy was like Darth
Vader on screen. He's a good bad guy right yea.
Speaker 2: And in fact, because of this role, he goes on
to play all kinds of villains like in all the
Bollywood stuff.
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, no, that's great. The guy was awesome. Yep.
Speaker 2: Okay, quickly, the Roshan Seth plays Chatterlall he's the.
Speaker 1: Guy who plays the Prime Minister. Okay, yeah, I saw
an interview with him. He had gone back to India.
Speaker 2: He had worked in America, wanted to do American movies,
didn't really have much luck, goes back to India, gets
hired to be in the movie Gandhi.
Speaker 1: Richard Attenborough, Yes, the guy from Jurassic Park. Yeah, go
check out our Jaws Versus Jurassic Park from season one. Yes, okay.
Speaker 2: Phillip Stone plays the British the British Indian Army captain.
Speaker 1: The guy who who you're you're wondering why he's there
at dinner until the very end of the movie when
he comes and is the DOSEX machina and saves everybody, right,
the White Savior, right exactly. Yeah, probably why the Indians
were so upset. I mean, it's part of it, right. Yeah.
So he plays you know, you recognize him from anything?
Was he in one of the Star Wars movies? He
was in Flash Gordon close? Oh okay, Oh, don't remember
him for Flash Gordon. Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2: He was in Flash Gordon and he played mister Grady
from The Shining Oh yes, yes, yes, I do remember that.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. I would discipline them. Huh. Yeah, that's great.
I thought that was pretty cool. Okay.
Speaker 2: I got one more and this guy I just wanted
to bring to your attention. Roy Chow plays Lauche.
Speaker 1: Nice Try Louche, the.
Speaker 2: Chinese crime boss that's after Narachi.
Speaker 1: At the very.
Speaker 2: Beginning of Indiana, Jonson's Temple of Doom.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, Now this guy plays an excellent bad guy,
the doctor Jones to the poison you just drink right, right.
Speaker 2: And he plays this great, over the top bad guy.
This guy is a devout Christian and dedicated his life
to spreading Christianity throughout Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Born in Shanghai, moved to the States and was just
a very religious guy.
Speaker 1: Awesome, that's great. Okay, I almost forgot.
Speaker 2: There's two other notes I want to give you on
the casting.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2: Dan Ackroyd makes an uncredited appearance.
Speaker 1: So bizarre, right, terrible English accent. I mean it's Jones weird.
Speaker 2: Right, he worked with Spielberg in nineteen forty one.
Speaker 1: Huh, but what's he doing here? It just shows up
out of nowhere. It's weird, right, It's really weird.
Speaker 2: Dan Ackroyd has he's the guy who gets him on
the airplane, right, Okay, I.
Speaker 1: Mean Ackroyd he would have been filming spies like us
at this time when he spies like us came out
of me, you know, Doctor Detroit at least. And then
you have Pat Roach. Yeah. So if for the listeners
who don't know Pat Roach, you will know as the
bald Nazi soldier who Harrison four gets in a fight
with on the airstrip and is ultimately chopped to bits
by the propeller. And then pat Roach is the giant
guy who's at one of the thuggy slave masters who
Harrison Ford gets in a fight with who has well
I said to you, I was like, I'm imagining the
conversation where Steven Spielberg says, hey, Harrison, we'd love for
you to play Indiana Jones again, and Harrison's response is great,
can I kick pat Roaches again? Steven Spielberg is like yes,
and Harrison Ford says, can his death be any more
gruesome than it was in Raiders of Lost arc also yes,
Like we have a cutaway at least on Ragers the
Lost Art, but on Temple of Doom you see him
getting ground up with the rocks and the giant rock crusher.
Oh my gosh, it right of it.
Speaker 2: By the way, that Roach Harrison Ford also kicked pat
Roaches in Marion's bar in Nepaul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he was the other guy. Yeah, that's right.
So okay, okay, wait, there's there's two not necessarily actors,
but two people. So Harrison Ford had a severe spinal
disc herniation during the fight scene in the bedroom, the
one that ends with his guys. The strongest ceiling fan
a strong exactly what I thought. I was like, they
don't make ceiling fans that strong. That thing would have
yanked right out of the seil. I've knocked a ceiling
fan out with a wolf of ball, right, but it
manages to hang this guy. But I guess he did
a sumrsault during the scene and had a major back
injury from it. Huh, so bad that they literally brought
a hospital bed to the set. And in between scenes,
I mean there's they don't stop shooting, and so in
between scenes Harrison Ford is laying down and after a
few days finally like geez, we got to send him
to the hospital. Uh huh. So the the stunt double
of all stunt doubles, Vic Armstrong, who we've talked about
multiple times. He does a bunch of stand in work
for and stunt work for Harrison Ford. But what I
thought was crazy is the lady who's the stunt double
for Willie is Wendy Leach, vic Armstrong's wife. Really, that's great.
I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it all right as we put Captro on
this episode. Yeah, I got a funny story to tell you,
and we'll we'll take it.
Speaker 1: The next week. Is this is this the translation of
what is said when we were on top of or
on the ridge. Now, before you get into it, you
sent me a diagram that somebody had done of the
possibility of surviving the fall and the bridge fall where
he cuts the bridge. Yeah, and so like they were
talking about like MIT students or something, right, Yeah, yeah,
they did all this trigonometry and so so in reality,
what's the chances that that you're going to survive? Who's
going to survive? Almost zero? Almost zero that anybody when you.
Speaker 2: Cut the bridge, the pendulum, like the momentum of the
swinging bridge would almost certainly kill everybody on the bridge
just when you smack into the when you smack into
those rocks, and at the very least multiple.
Speaker 1: Broken bones and contusions. Okay, right, Okay, So.
Speaker 2: Basically it was a MythBuster that was busted essentially.
Speaker 1: Okay, shocker. Right, So we've just come from, I mean
literally just came from a scene where number one, they
dodge the water that's coming at them by going down
an alternate tunnel. Somehow the water doesn't also go down
that tunnel. It's like the water loses the chase. Well,
what then when they come out the door from the
water that does eventually catch up with them again, we
have pieces of wood driving through solid rock like a
spear that doesn't even like what So there's all kinds
of stuff in both of the Goonies and Temple of
Doom that you're just like, Okay, that's I'm gonna eat
some more popcorn because this is ridiculous. But it's so
much fun. It's ridiculous, it's so much fun to keep
on going right right, But at the before the scene
where they they fall and would almost certainly have died,
before the scene where the guys who do die are
eaten by alligators even though they should be crocodiles because
they filmed it in Florida instead of Sri Lanka. That's
right before that, he says to short round read this here, yes,
cho chi laotu sansa, yeah, he's so.
Speaker 2: This climactic moment in the movie Indiana, Jones are being
chased on both sides by thuggy guards. He's got a machete,
no gun, no whip, and he looks Shorty and Willy
are both on the bridge.
Speaker 1: It's a sword, by the way. It is a sword
because remember he got it from the guys who were
sword fighting where he didn't have his on that's right. This,
by the way, is a great example of how Steven
Spielberg walked that perfect tightrope of not giving us an
identical movie but throwing back to the other movie enough
that we were like, yes, it's familiar and so yeah.
And he didn't have his gun to shoot the two
swordsmen like he did, and he was gonna.
Speaker 2: Start casually pull it out, blow those guys away, but oops,
will he drop my gun.
Speaker 1: And act one? Right? Right? So he raises this the
sword over his head. You can tell, okay, is it left?
Is it right? Is left? Is right?
Speaker 2: No, it's going to be the bridge right right, And
he makes this real loud pronouncement. He's really articulate. When
you tell a short round, Hey, shorty, you know.
Speaker 1: Shorty, chauchi what is it? Chau chi? Lautsu sansa right,
And so short round goes, hold on, lady, We're gonna
go for a ride, right right.
Speaker 2: So I've got a strong Chinese contingency at my church,
and I've got some friends and I'm like, hey, listen,
I'm going deep on the Shirley podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find out.
Speaker 2: Obviously, he's telling him, hang on, I'm cutting the bridge,
get ready for this, blah blah blah. Right, Okay, So
I'm like, but I want to know exactly what is
being said.
Speaker 1: So I said it to my friend who is from China,
and I'm like, her name is Amy, and I said, Amy,
what is he saying here? Right? And so I'm waiting
with baited breath.
Speaker 2: As I see the little dots on my iPhone.
Speaker 1: She goes.
Speaker 2: Me and my husband have watched this multiple times. We
don't understand that.
Speaker 1: She goes.
Speaker 2: We speak Cantonese, could be Mandarin, but basically we don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that is leaddown. And you had me
all excited. I thought you were going to tell me
this thing, and you give me that.
Speaker 2: That's what I got after I was waiting baited breath.
Speaker 1: All right, So we got it. Folks, if you know Mandarin,
if you're a Shiry fan and you know Mandarin or
any of the other Chinese dialects, yes, what does he say? What?
What is the instruction. My guess is it's kind of
like Lionel Richie and he just made some African sound
and stuff up jumbo. Okay, guys, well that that does
it for the first part of our comparison of Goonies
versus Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom. Come back
next week. We are going to talk about soundtracks. We're
going to talk about all of the fun tidbits involved
with the production, and then ultimately we're going to give
our final judgment as to which of these two movies
is the best Treasure Hunting of eighty four and eighty five.
So come back and join us.
Speaker 2: Then, bye, guys, thanks a lot. All right, do you
out to start season six? Do you have the treasure map?
Speaker 1: Dang right, I have the Treasure's Map. Do you have
the stones? You're dang right, I got the stones. Okay,
let's do that again. That's good. That's good, you did perfect.
Speaker 2: And then finally the one guy, actually there's two guys
I want to bring up to you. Okay, Philip Stone, Milo,
go sit down, lay down.
Speaker 1: Lay down in your bed. It's Felix, get in your bed.
Thank you. All right, this should be in an outa
god licking everything,