Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Cringe. I am one
Speaker 1: of your hosts, Delia here with my real tight homegirl
Speaker 1: and my daughter a little everybody. We are here to
Speaker 1: talk the season premiere. Oh my got of season nine
Speaker 1: oo La La of Sister Wives. So excited you couldn't
Speaker 1: stop us if you tried. If there was no internet,
Speaker 1: if there was no camera, we would still be here.
Speaker 1: I would be drinking and we would be screaming into
Speaker 1: the void about Cody Brown, who is just getting balder
Speaker 1: and balder. Girl. I mean, did you see him at
Speaker 1: the black Jiant table with his curls falling in front
Speaker 1: of his face and all of these acres and acres
Speaker 1: of skin on his head.
Speaker 2: And that's what Robin gets to fuck every day.
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Speaker 1: Before we get into the episode, I did have like
Speaker 1: a little tidbit of something I had heard about from
Speaker 1: the Sister Wags universe, which concerns Janelle, my favorite. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: your favorite. Apparently she put up Garrison's town home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sale. I saw that. I guess it's for sale
Speaker 1: for like four hundred and twenty five thousand dollars in Flagstaff.
Speaker 1: It is going up for I guess one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: more than he paid for it, and so we'll see
Speaker 1: if it sells. I hope that it does. I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of the last little bit of it for
Speaker 1: her to resolve before she can maybe fully be in
Speaker 1: North Carolina. I don't know, probably, but I hope she
Speaker 1: gets the proceeds of that sale. Me too. I can't
Speaker 1: help but being a despicable raccoon and wandering to myself,
Speaker 1: is Cody going to get any of that money? Dude?
Speaker 1: He might, He might be fighting for it.
Speaker 2: I could see Cody Brown fighting for it. I really could.
Speaker 1: No, I just can't imagine that Garrison, who was in
Speaker 1: the military, wouldn't have been exceedingly crystal clear about who
Speaker 1: his beneficiaries were. Yeah, but then, like just a couple
Speaker 1: of years previous, he had an okay relationship with Cody.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know girl yet. It's
Speaker 1: not for us to speculate bo we.
Speaker 2: Will no, Yeah, and we might find out about it
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we are still in twenty twenty two for
Speaker 1: season nineteen. And you know why he started. We say
Speaker 1: this all the time. I mean, it's not like we
Speaker 1: haven't all cried about it before, but it's really exhausting.
Speaker 2: It's actually bullshit. In my opinion, I think it's stupid.
Speaker 2: Like I understand being like, you know, a year behind,
Speaker 2: like nine months behind. Sure, totally understandable. You got a
Speaker 2: film or whatever, two whole years though, Like, why are
Speaker 2: we seeing Christine date David? Why are we seeing Michelsey
Speaker 2: with her big ass pregnant belly.
Speaker 1: In her interstitials in her talking head. She's got this
Speaker 1: stupid pillow acting as if she's still pregnant even though
Speaker 1: she's I don't know, one hundred pounds less now than
Speaker 1: she was back then. What the fuck? It's like such
Speaker 1: a big middle finger to the entire audience because we
Speaker 1: know what's going on, but they won't, like just do
Speaker 1: the right thing. No, they won't show us what's going
Speaker 1: on now now. They did address at the top of
Speaker 1: the episode the tragic loss of Garrison. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: had heard, and I think some of you have as well,
Speaker 1: that they are going to, I think, show the aftermath
Speaker 1: of what happened with Garrison at the end of this season. Okay,
Speaker 1: And so I was wondering to myself self. Does that
Speaker 1: mean that we're going to bring the whole timeline for
Speaker 1: the show up into twenty twenty four by the end
Speaker 1: of this season, please? But you know what, we're not
Speaker 1: going to I don't think so, because they showed us
Speaker 1: the whole Asque wedding special of Christine. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: now we're going all the way back to the beginning
Speaker 1: of the courtship. I'm like why, I don't understand why.
Speaker 2: Like do people want to see this? Like I don't
Speaker 2: want to see it, don't I don't care. I would
Speaker 2: like to be a little bit more present, because it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm mad at Cody Brown for how he's acting right
Speaker 2: in these interstitials, but like, this is twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: Cody Brown that we're seeing, Like.
Speaker 1: This is no, it's not this is a more recent
Speaker 1: Cody Brown, because it's a more recent Mary. Mary is
Speaker 1: a lot thinner. She lost weight within the last six months,
Speaker 1: so her on the Couch interviews are probably within the
Speaker 1: last three months, which makes me think that some of
Speaker 1: the couch interviews with Cody and also Janelle are also
Speaker 1: more recent. That's my thought. I don't know about all
Speaker 1: of them, see some of them look a little recycled.
Speaker 1: But some of them I do think, based on the curling,
Speaker 1: based on the balding, and also frankly, based on his attitude,
Speaker 1: they do seem to be a bit more recent. That's
Speaker 1: just my opinion. What do y'all think? Really?
Speaker 2: I thought his attitude was still season eighteen Cody Brown,
Speaker 2: we'll still because.
Speaker 1: She was crying a little bit and he was talking
Speaker 1: about his vision that is no more. He was talking
Speaker 1: about how he doesn't have faith and he praised different
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know. I think that
Speaker 1: some of these interstitials are a bit more modern twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four.
Speaker 2: But then that's like the other thing that's stupid is like,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna film modern interstitials, why are we reacting
Speaker 2: to old footage? Then? Like, why can't we have the
Speaker 2: current footage match with the current interstitials?
Speaker 1: Makes no sense? Well, like even in this episode, Mary says,
Speaker 1: you know, last week we had the final conversation Cody
Speaker 1: and I and they show her at the picnic bench
Speaker 1: on Coyote Pass having the conversation. At least, I don't know,
Speaker 1: sixty or seventy pounds heavier than one week later, right
Speaker 1: now on the couch, No like that's what they're treating us,
Speaker 1: like we're dumb. Yeah, and I hate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really stupid because if you know, the fan base,
Speaker 2: like everybody is picking apart every single minute part of footage,
Speaker 2: So like, come on, like, why.
Speaker 1: Can't we just catchall We'll but be here now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wherever you go, there you are, and right now you're
Speaker 1: in a dumpster. Bit I'm here, honey s watching season nineteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is what we got, so yeah, let's celebrate
Speaker 1: it and let's get into it all right.
Speaker 2: We start off with Robin and Cody at Coyote Pass,
Speaker 2: which I thought was kind of interesting because they're trying
Speaker 2: to figure out what the fuck to do with all
Speaker 2: this land, and Cody wants to sell it.
Speaker 1: He's like, this place is horrible.
Speaker 2: It gives me bad memories, makes me angry, and Robin's.
Speaker 1: Like, put the dream. I missed the family who of
Speaker 1: the dream. Every night, before I lay my head on
Speaker 1: my pillow, I envision my house right over there, and
Speaker 1: Janelle's house right over there, and Mary's then I guess Chris,
Speaker 1: but she's still trying to get us to believe that
Speaker 1: she believes in the dream. And I don't think she does,
Speaker 1: no way. She also talks about the loan. Did you
Speaker 1: catch that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she did kind of mention that a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She says if they don't pay it off by
Speaker 1: a specific date, which I want to say, was that
Speaker 1: my years are blending together. I think that was this
Speaker 1: summer right that they paid it off or was it
Speaker 1: last summer? Did they pay it off entirely? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: all paid it off. I think maybe it was last summer,
Speaker 1: but they paid it off, so this was filmed right
Speaker 1: before that. But she calls their contract stupid. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting owner financing. This developer or this
Speaker 1: owner has agreed to sell you these parcels of land,
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to make payments. I would presume toward
Speaker 1: the principle and ultimately pay it off by a certain date.
Speaker 1: That was the agreement. But it's stupid to you because
Speaker 1: you're stupid and you don't know what creative financing is,
Speaker 1: and you've never had to get your own mortgage. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess you did season four. But yeah, but she
Speaker 1: doesn't want anything about it.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's silly because I'm like every single
Speaker 2: financing thing that they have done. The Brown family has
Speaker 2: done on TV has been stupid. Yeah, Like every decision
Speaker 2: they've made has been dumb. So if you want to
Speaker 2: call Coote Pass stupid because nobody else is paying for
Speaker 2: it and now you and Cody have to deal with it,
Speaker 2: sorry to have luck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering what Janelle's position is at this time.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm presuming we're late twenty twenty two, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. She hasn't made the decision to buy the
Speaker 1: plot of land in North Carolina yet, so I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if she's wondering to herself whether she wants to build
Speaker 1: out there or whether she wants to scrap the whole thing.
Speaker 2: It seems like she's going back and forth because later
Speaker 2: in the episode, they talk about getting property up in Montana,
Speaker 2: so and I don't know if Janelle's like a part
Speaker 2: of that, Like I know Maddie is talking about building
Speaker 2: property up in Montana. So it just seems like Janelle's
Speaker 2: kind of going with the flow and trying to figure
Speaker 2: shit out.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: It'd be nice to see more conversation about Coyote Pass though,
Speaker 2: and like the money and luring up, I know she's
Speaker 2: not gonna do it, but.
Speaker 1: Right, we do get to flash on over to Janelle
Speaker 1: all talking about how she hasn't really spoken to Cody
Speaker 1: in a very long time. She doesn't know really what's
Speaker 1: going on with Coyote Pass. We also hear from Christine,
Speaker 1: who's just so happy to be single. She's in her
Speaker 1: single era, yeah, and she doesn't give a shit. And
Speaker 1: she talks about how she was able to sell her
Speaker 1: home and flag Staff and take the full entire proceeds
Speaker 1: of that sale and move to Utah, And then we
Speaker 1: skip on over to Cody, who's a bit bitter about it.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. The family helped her buy that house and
Speaker 1: flag Staff and then she just sold it and took
Speaker 1: all the money.
Speaker 2: Which is so wild to me. I'm like, what do
Speaker 2: you mean by the family? You and Robin didn't do shit, boyo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and everybody paid for your property too. So does
Speaker 1: that mean if you're butt hurt about Christine, that they
Speaker 1: get to be butt hurt about you and your home
Speaker 1: with Robin that they put into what at that?
Speaker 2: No, because if they are but hurt, then he would
Speaker 2: say they're just bitter towards him and they're making him
Speaker 2: to be the villain, because Cody Brown is the ultimate
Speaker 2: victim here, right, he is the one that has been
Speaker 2: fucked over the most. Okay, not Christine natchanew, not Mary
Speaker 2: Cody Brown.
Speaker 1: I mean he has the audacity, excuse me, the mandacity
Speaker 1: to say something like what did I do? What did
Speaker 1: I do wrong? As if it's not cataloged episode after episode,
Speaker 1: season after season, about how you have treated your family,
Speaker 1: your children, and your wives. It's wild. How do you
Speaker 1: not know what you may or may not have contributed
Speaker 1: to the demise of these relationships? Denial?
Speaker 2: He's crazy, totally in denial, and.
Speaker 1: He's de Lulu Yep, he's crazy. Yep.
Speaker 2: And then after the whole Coyote pass thing, then we
Speaker 2: have Michelt with her sprinkle. Yeah for her twins that
Speaker 2: are already born.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're two years old, they born. I think they're
Speaker 1: in high school. I think they're getting married with children
Speaker 1: of their own at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Mchelty's big and pregnant. Yes, she has too
Speaker 2: many tacos.
Speaker 1: Tony is there?
Speaker 2: Christine's host in this sprinkle. It's some like Gambling Vegas, black.
Speaker 1: Jack, Dublin down. Something's going on. But the big news
Speaker 1: is that Michelt wants Cody and Robin there, and she
Speaker 1: also wants Christine there, and she just wants her adult
Speaker 1: parents to get a grip and get along. That's fair.
Speaker 1: It is fair, in my opinion.
Speaker 2: I've been seeing a lot of criticism of Michelty online,
Speaker 2: being like, oh my god, how dare she do that
Speaker 2: to Christine.
Speaker 1: I'm like, she's still a child though, yeah, and she's
Speaker 1: having twins. Yeah, she wants her father to be a
Speaker 1: part of that. And even though we hate Cody, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we have every right to, Michelty doesn't feel the
Speaker 1: same way at this time exactly. So she wants Robin there,
Speaker 1: and she wants Cody there. Yeah, And I think that's fine,
Speaker 1: I guess. But they're nervous, Sonny, Oh my.
Speaker 2: God, did you see Robin just standing in the doorway.
Speaker 1: So awkward, Turtle just smiling and so pretending to blend in.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, woman, you look really unhappy, really unsettled,
Speaker 1: And I love it. And there's Christine at the blackjack table,
Speaker 1: just glowing. She's talking with everybody because she's a social butterfly.
Speaker 1: And Robin could never, oh never at all.
Speaker 2: Well, Robin's also walking around with like weird little weights
Speaker 2: in her hands the whole entire time. Really, yeah, I
Speaker 2: noticed it on Reddit. Somebody was pointing it out, like,
Speaker 2: why is she holding weights like little three pound weights?
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I missed that entirely. Yeah, it was super bizarre.
Speaker 2: And then Cody's just sitting there stare and brooding at everybody,
Speaker 2: and Christine's like, I'm not gonna say hi to them.
Speaker 1: Okay, And Robin says to the camera, the last time
Speaker 1: I saw Christine was when she told me she did
Speaker 1: not want to see me, she did not want a
Speaker 1: relationship with me or my children anymore, which never happened.
Speaker 1: Was never said, And we have rolled back the footage
Speaker 1: countless times. I do believe you've seen it by now, Robin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Christine never said that she just needed some space, she
Speaker 1: just needed some time. But she's with this victim narrative
Speaker 1: and oh my god, lady, get over and it drives
Speaker 1: me crazy.
Speaker 2: It's the bizarre that she's still putting this out. But
Speaker 2: like her and Cody are perfect for each other because
Speaker 2: they're both acting like victims. They both act like everybody
Speaker 2: hates them because they do. Everybody does hate you. But like,
Speaker 2: you could make this better. You guys have all the
Speaker 2: power to make it better, but you don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so Robin's like, well, she didn't want any
Speaker 1: relationship with me, so I'm just gonna leave her alone
Speaker 1: and she can be over in that corner of the
Speaker 1: house and I'm not gonna bugger. Okay, No, you're scared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want to go up and just you know,
Speaker 1: take the higher road and say hey, Christine, how are
Speaker 1: you doing. Nice to see you. And that's all we
Speaker 1: have to do as adults. It's not a big deal,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm like, y'all are old, Like, why can't act like
Speaker 2: big age? Why do we have to act like we're
Speaker 2: in high school? Acting all immature like this?
Speaker 1: It's wild to me.
Speaker 2: I mean, Christine is acting little petty, being like I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna be friendly, But that's fine in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Yes, did you notice when Cody walked in, he'd belined
Speaker 1: toward Micheltie's daughter and truly was sitting like right next
Speaker 1: to the baby, and he said hi to the baby.
Speaker 1: He played with the baby's toy and at some point
Speaker 1: truly said hi dad, and he said oh hi, truly,
Speaker 1: like completely ignored.
Speaker 2: Yeah, truly, absolutely wild to me that he thinks that
Speaker 2: he did nothing wrong when he acts like this with
Speaker 2: his kids, Like poor Truly truly was born on this show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we got to see the footage of this. We got
Speaker 2: to see her grow up without a dad.
Speaker 1: That sucks. And she didn't ask to be born into
Speaker 1: this crasy. She did Mormon family and he didn't even
Speaker 1: notice her, leading me to believe he's really not that
Speaker 1: fond of her. And another child that I saw at
Speaker 1: the Sprinkle that was kind of shying away from Cody
Speaker 1: was Isabelle. She was hanging out a lot with Christine,
Speaker 1: and I was wondering what that relationship is like because
Speaker 1: last season, over Christmas, remember Isabelle went and visited and
Speaker 1: it was super awkward. And then that got me thinking,
Speaker 1: bitch about the sale of Cody and Robin's home and
Speaker 1: all of their multi thousand dollars nick knacks and things
Speaker 1: that are strewn around that home, and how Christine had
Speaker 1: to rustle up the money for Isabelle's scoliosis surgery, and
Speaker 1: how I believe correct me if I'm wrong. I don't
Speaker 1: think I am I don't think Cody put anything toward
Speaker 1: that given the pain that Isabelle was in four years,
Speaker 1: asking for some kind of surgical intervention for years, but
Speaker 1: remember they kept making her do exercises and do all
Speaker 1: of this shit because they wanted to put that surgery off.
Speaker 1: And then when she finally got it, he didn't go
Speaker 1: cut of COVID. I can't be gone for longer than
Speaker 1: three nights because if Robin and I don't think he
Speaker 1: paid any money into it. Meanwhile he's siphoning, allegedly siphoning
Speaker 1: all of the cash out of the Brown LLC and
Speaker 1: buying these ugly ass paintings and purple linens and rugs
Speaker 1: and crystal towers and bears that are hugging and phoenixes rising,
Speaker 1: and poor Isabelle, and maybe that's why she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to hang out with you at the Sprinkle Cody.
Speaker 2: Dude, I didn't even think about that, But you're so right,
Speaker 2: because if I was her, and I have been her
Speaker 2: with my own dad and I saw that shit, I
Speaker 2: would be so bitter. I'm still bitter over my own stuff.
Speaker 1: So poor Isabelle, dude, I doesn't know at this time. Well,
Speaker 1: she does go and visit so she can see how
Speaker 1: big the house is but she doesn't know the value
Speaker 1: of things. But all of these kids and all of
Speaker 1: these wives now know some of what was in the house,
Speaker 1: and you know, they packed away most of that shit.
Speaker 1: They see some of the wealth that's in that house,
Speaker 1: and they have to be asking themselves, well, why was
Speaker 1: my mom living in an RV just trying to cobble
Speaker 1: together a casita? Why was Mary going to live in
Speaker 1: a barn dominium while you guys are over here living
Speaker 1: like kings and queens.
Speaker 2: Seriously, millions of dollars with all this stuff. Oh, such
Speaker 2: a good point. I wish we could hear more from
Speaker 2: these kids.
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 2: I one day we wish that would be so great.
Speaker 2: Maybe in twenty twenty nine, maybe maybe it'd season twenty
Speaker 2: two or something.
Speaker 1: Oh god.
Speaker 2: And then the other thing that happened at the Sprinkle
Speaker 2: was Cody and Robin basically saying in their intersticials saying like, oh,
Speaker 2: Christine's been bad mouthing me to the kids, and so
Speaker 2: that's probably sour in my relationship with them. And I'm
Speaker 2: like this again, why are we bringing this up again?
Speaker 2: Christine's not bad mouthing you.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe she is, but you deserve it. But the
Speaker 1: way he sets it up, though, is he says, I
Speaker 1: see what she's saying in public. Yeah, right, so I
Speaker 1: can only imagine what she's saying to our kids. But
Speaker 1: using this same measure, what the fuck are you saying
Speaker 1: about her in public? That you were not attractive to her,
Speaker 1: that you never loved her, calling her all manner of names,
Speaker 1: disparaging her to her face and to the camera. What
Speaker 1: about you, though, It's like this blind spot that just
Speaker 1: encompasses him and encompasses Robin, and they can see nothing
Speaker 1: that they're doing wrong or how they're contributing to it.
Speaker 1: It's crazy making.
Speaker 2: It's so crazy, or even what he was saying about
Speaker 2: the kids too, you just calling the massholes and narcissists
Speaker 2: and stupid last season, so fuck you dude, yep, talking
Speaker 2: about how the wives are talking bad about you publicly
Speaker 2: and to the kids, Like you said, you deserve it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well why do you think that is? I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe ask yourself the question in therapy, Yeah, to get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of it. Your old coot for a
Speaker 1: old balding coop. You can't stand him.
Speaker 2: He's the worst. And then we also heard from Robin
Speaker 2: that her and Cody are in a bad place in
Speaker 2: their mirroring.
Speaker 1: Your eyebrows are in a bad place. I know your
Speaker 1: eyebrows are in a bad place, really bad. I know
Speaker 1: you're trying to fix them, but they're even darker and
Speaker 1: thicker or more noticeable and you should go like a
Speaker 1: professional brow person.
Speaker 2: Yeah anyway, sorry, I can't stand her either, No, real
Speaker 2: and triggered. But like, how are we supposed to believe
Speaker 2: that you guys are having a hard time in your marriage?
Speaker 2: Like I give a fuck? Yeah, honestly, I don't give
Speaker 2: a shit unless you're gonna leave him and have a
Speaker 2: tell all book and talk about how she won terrible
Speaker 2: he is. But you won't because you guys are all meat.
Speaker 1: I don't believe it at all. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: if there's anything Robin's unhappy about, it is the loss
Speaker 1: of funds and the streams of income that she previously
Speaker 1: clearly had access to based on Dickensie and Village alone. Yeap,
Speaker 1: she no longer has Christine's money, Mary's money, Janelle's money.
Speaker 1: She no longer can rob the coffers, and so I
Speaker 1: believe she's unhappy about that. And I don't think Cody
Speaker 1: has a plan for their future necessarily. And I think
Speaker 1: we were talking last week about like they must they're
Speaker 1: dumb people, but they must have the capacity to see
Speaker 1: that this gravy train is about to end. I don't know,
Speaker 1: two years, five years, if you're lucky. Oh yeah, but
Speaker 1: then what Robin, You don't work, Cody doesn't work, So
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? So maybe she's unhappy about that,
Speaker 1: but I don't think she's unhappy in her relationship.
Speaker 2: No. Yeah, that's the dream that she's holding onto, is
Speaker 2: the dream of living a life of luxury on the
Speaker 2: backs of everybody else because she doesn't want to have
Speaker 2: to work for it. And that's why when we were
Speaker 2: talking about them selling their house, like I can't see
Speaker 2: them getting a four million dollar home in flack stuff.
Speaker 2: There's no way they can fucking afford it. I hope
Speaker 2: they end up in a dorm apartment like Janelle. Yeah, yes, literally,
Speaker 2: I hope they end up in that same apartment.
Speaker 1: Robin would never she would never do that. She is
Speaker 1: so invested in appearances and to go backward like that,
Speaker 1: I think she'd sooner leave Cody Brown. She'd sooner leave
Speaker 1: Cody Brown.
Speaker 2: She'd be better off financially if she'd live in an
Speaker 2: apartment of course, yeah, yep. And then he would be
Speaker 2: broke in a dad apartment.
Speaker 1: That'd be so great. Oh, I'd love to see it.
Speaker 2: Right, And then Cody crying about the loss of his dream.
Speaker 1: Okay, and you thought this was genuine. Let's just all
Speaker 1: join our raccoon claws, okay and just like have a
Speaker 1: thought about it. Because I did see some moisture in
Speaker 1: his eyes, and he made sure that I noticed that.
Speaker 1: He kind of stumbled over his words. I saw that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I think I did feel that he was feeling
Speaker 1: that in the moment that he was at least acknowledging
Speaker 1: that that big vision, that big dream is no longer possible,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't even know what the vision is anymore
Speaker 1: because he's not a part of it anymore. And I
Speaker 1: feel like he's feeling the loss of that. I do.
Speaker 1: But it stops right there, Yeah, like woe is me? Right?
Speaker 1: They don't include me, they don't love me. It never
Speaker 1: goes beyond that to what Mary ends up talking about
Speaker 1: with her friend Brandy, which is like, one of these
Speaker 1: days you are going to realize what you have lost.
Speaker 1: And Mary's like, whether you like it or not, because
Speaker 1: once you get to co law, honey, and you have
Speaker 1: norm in God and Jesus talking to you about how
Speaker 1: you destroyed all these marriages, like you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: take accountability for it. True, Like he can't do that
Speaker 1: though that's too far, that's a bridge too far for him.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, because to sit in that shame would be immense,
Speaker 2: it'd be crazy. Like there's so much guilt there, there's
Speaker 2: so much responsibility you would have to take, and like
Speaker 2: he should take it. I'm not saying he shouldn't, but
Speaker 2: like that's why he's delusional and holding on to this
Speaker 2: fake idea of a dream that didn't even really exist
Speaker 2: because you didn't make any.
Speaker 1: Effort, You didn't work for it. No, I expected these
Speaker 1: other women to do that work for you exactly.
Speaker 2: And even then you were still hanging out at Robin's
Speaker 2: house the entire time, So like what you just wanted
Speaker 2: all these people orbiting around you.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's all, and it's also for appearance, coming back
Speaker 1: home and adoring him as the patriarch. But for what
Speaker 1: what if you like put into what have you poured
Speaker 1: into these relationships after a certain point, like after Robin,
Speaker 1: what have you really done? Yeah. Now, he did talk
Speaker 1: about looking in the mirror at himself, and like previously
Speaker 1: he's been able to look at himself and say, I
Speaker 1: love you, man, he's been able to pray to God
Speaker 1: and say I'm so grateful from a beautiful family, but
Speaker 1: like he can't look at himself the same way because
Speaker 1: he sees himself differently. He sees himself the way that
Speaker 1: his three wives who have left him see him well,
Speaker 1: and so he's struggling with who he is in the mirror. Good, yeah, good,
Speaker 1: pleasing keep going. That's great. Not almost there, but at
Speaker 1: least you're pointed in the right direct step. So I
Speaker 1: was asking myself whether I believed that, like whether he
Speaker 1: feels differently about himself as a man, as a priest
Speaker 1: of the family, Like, how does he feel about himself?
Speaker 2: I feel like he just feels rejected. I feel like
Speaker 2: it's still centered around the idea that like everybody is
Speaker 2: doing this to him and not he's the source of it,
Speaker 2: or like he's part of the problem. So that's where
Speaker 2: I'm like, Yeah, you probably hate yourself, but you probably
Speaker 2: hate yourself because you feel rejected, not because you fucked
Speaker 2: up this whole family. And like ruined all of your
Speaker 2: relationships with your children and the wives, Like.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's it's not the right reason, not like
Speaker 2: saying you should hate yourself, but like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: At some point, I was wondering whether Cody has tipped
Speaker 1: over into the realm of acting the villain, Mmm, whether
Speaker 1: he is having some internal breakthroughs, because you'd have to
Speaker 1: be completely unconscious not to realize that you're the one
Speaker 1: that did all this, or like you did the majority
Speaker 1: of this. You'd have to be really, really unconscious. And
Speaker 1: so maybe he does know this deep down, but because
Speaker 1: he needs the show to continue, he knows he needs
Speaker 1: to be the villain. That's wild, can't you see it? Though?
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but like that's like that's like Nakado
Speaker 2: avocado level of like I'm two steps ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm the villain. Like why why can't you need the
Speaker 1: show to continue?
Speaker 2: But I feel like you could be.
Speaker 1: A better person. Yeah, people would probably still watch. Maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean it is fundamentally a very boring show, sure,
Speaker 1: but we've been watching for nineteen season. Yeah. Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know. And tell me what y'all think, Like, write
Speaker 1: to us on Instagram or here on YouTube you can
Speaker 1: obviously drop a comment. It just felt fake to me,
Speaker 1: and some of what Robin was giving, especially out on
Speaker 1: Coyote Pass, also felt rehearsed and fake to metal. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, that's wild.
Speaker 2: If they have to play the villain just to keep
Speaker 2: the show on there.
Speaker 1: That's wild. Well, notice how the new intro was. Gary
Speaker 1: looked fantastic. She's wearing cream and white, Janelle wearing white,
Speaker 1: Christine with her terrible red lipstick, wearing white, and then
Speaker 1: here's Robin wearing black and Cody wearing black with his
Speaker 1: rings in his necklace and all of his bling bling
Speaker 1: but in black. So production is trying to signal to
Speaker 1: us or set up this season in a certain way.
Speaker 1: And maybe he's leaning into that because his gravy train
Speaker 1: is going to run dry unless he makes something work.
Speaker 1: And he doesn't want another wife. Yeah, that's true. He
Speaker 1: thinks he's a monogamous So what else is he going
Speaker 1: to do except be the foil to his family?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you could do anything else.
Speaker 1: Just thought to thought. I don't know, just to thought.
Speaker 2: It's a good thought. Pretty diabolical thought.
Speaker 1: Oh he's pretty diabolical. Yeah he is.
Speaker 2: But is he that smart though? That's the question to
Speaker 2: like act like a villain, like maybe he doesn't even
Speaker 2: realize that TLC, I'll just.
Speaker 1: Be the demon that they did. He say something that's
Speaker 1: pretty much what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, Nelia, you might be on some something. Hi,
Speaker 2: you might be onto something smart. Rec Yeah, I got
Speaker 2: a big old brain over there.
Speaker 1: Work that monc. My god.
Speaker 2: And then we have Janelle and Christine going to North Carolina. Yes,
Speaker 2: to move isabel back to Salt Lake City. Right now
Speaker 2: that Christine's back.
Speaker 1: In Utah, Isabelle's like, fuck North Carolina and also fuck
Speaker 1: you mom, because I'm not going to live with you
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City. I will not even spend a
Speaker 1: week with you in your single girl town hall. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want as you're dating all of these She's
Speaker 1: too much this Christine.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's I I can't The whole divorced mom
Speaker 2: thing is so grim.
Speaker 1: And also she's giving actress to in her interstitials. It's
Speaker 1: just like, oh, calm down just a little bit. So
Speaker 1: Isabelle does not want to live with Christine, but she
Speaker 1: does want to come back to Utah. She wants to
Speaker 1: go to college there. Yeah, And so Janelle and Christine
Speaker 1: have gone to North Carolina to move her back, and
Speaker 1: I guess Janelle, not Janelle, but Maddie's going to be
Speaker 1: going on the trip with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which would be great. And then Cody, I guess,
Speaker 2: finds out on the couch that they're doing all of this.
Speaker 2: And this is where he talks about fomo.
Speaker 1: Right the NOI suffer from fomo.
Speaker 2: I want to be included, and they're purposely doing this
Speaker 2: to exclude me, to make me feel bad.
Speaker 1: Right all about you, Cody, I don't feel bad for
Speaker 1: main character over here.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you could be involved if you wanted to,
Speaker 2: but everybody else has to involve you because you can't
Speaker 2: do any of the work.
Speaker 1: It's so wild to me, it's crazy. He also says
Speaker 1: something about Christine and Janelle, like, oh, so Janelle went
Speaker 1: with Christine to bring Isabelle back. He's just like, it's
Speaker 1: so ironic because Christine used to have such a hard
Speaker 1: time dealing with Mary and Janelle, and now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Janelle is just following her around everywhere and
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be these fast friends. Make it make sense.
Speaker 2: That's wild to me because I'm like, again, this is
Speaker 2: how not present you've been for years, because Janelle and
Speaker 2: Christine have been friends the last several years. So like,
Speaker 2: miss me with this, you.
Speaker 1: Just can't conceive of a world where he's not at
Speaker 1: the center of it. He just doesn't know how to
Speaker 1: be or exist in that space.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. And I really don't think he
Speaker 2: can deal with the amount of rejection. I mean, three
Speaker 2: wives leaving him at once, and.
Speaker 1: The country a lot, actually the world and internationally he
Speaker 1: is very hated. Yeah, yes, I.
Speaker 2: Mean truly though, and like all of your kids, everybody,
Speaker 2: everybody hates you.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he probably can't deal with it at all. Probably,
Speaker 1: And honestly, I love it. I love to see it.
Speaker 1: I love to see him squirm.
Speaker 2: And then they arrive in Salt Lake City, Maddie's there
Speaker 2: and we kind of talk about how she doesn't have
Speaker 2: a relationship with Cody.
Speaker 1: The producers asked Cody, do.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about it, and he's like, I
Speaker 2: will not, I will not discuss anything about Madison.
Speaker 1: Which was interesting. Janelle does talk about it. Janelle says
Speaker 1: that Maddie is unwilling to have a relationship with Cody
Speaker 1: unless he can commit to having a presence in her
Speaker 1: children's life. He can't just come in every once in
Speaker 1: a while whenever he feels like it, or when the
Speaker 1: cameras are rolling and play Grandpa and then dip on
Speaker 1: back out. So because Cody, I guess, hasn't really been
Speaker 1: making that effort, Mattie's like, no, thank you. It is
Speaker 1: interesting because you remember how much Cody loved Caleb. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they had a complete romance. Yeah, like Cody loved him,
Speaker 1: And so I would imagine he doesn't talk to Caleb anymore,
Speaker 1: certainly doesn't talk to Maddie and doesn't see any of
Speaker 1: his grandbabies over there. Only mckelte's.
Speaker 2: I wonder, I don't know if we've talked about this before.
Speaker 2: We probably have, but I forgot. I wonder if Maddie
Speaker 2: called him out on shit and that's why he just
Speaker 2: don't want to make any effort.
Speaker 1: I think in the Christmas group chat, she was the
Speaker 1: one of them, one of the kids that was speaking
Speaker 1: up about all of the bullshit Robin was doing, which
Speaker 1: caused Cody to have to come in and start dealing
Speaker 1: with his kids. And I think she and Hunter and
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of other kids were the primary people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking speaking out and now he
Speaker 2: doesn't want to talk about it, which is such bullshit.
Speaker 2: I'm like, give us something, dude, what are you going
Speaker 2: to do? Just spew virtril about Christine and Janelle and
Speaker 2: then but you're not going to talk about your kids.
Speaker 1: Oh well, we do have Robin saying that she doesn't
Speaker 1: understand and or know why Cody is not reaching out
Speaker 1: to Madison or making an effort with her. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, his kids need to be making an
Speaker 1: effort with him. And I just want to say, Cap,
Speaker 1: you know exactly why because the Christmas group chat happened,
Speaker 1: and Maddie was one of the people to confront you,
Speaker 1: specifically for having to always insert yourself into family shit. Yep.
Speaker 1: And so your piss Maddie, which means now Cody has
Speaker 1: to be pissed at Mattie. And if Cody were to
Speaker 1: reach out to Maddie and try to have a relationship,
Speaker 1: how would that actually make you feel? Robin? Probably pretty bad.
Speaker 1: So he doesn't because he can't. It's you, exactly, It's you.
Speaker 2: And I hate the whole bullshit of like it takes
Speaker 2: two if the child has to make the effort too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but if the child is making all of the effort
Speaker 2: and the parent's making none, then how is it fair?
Speaker 1: Like that shit makes me so mad.
Speaker 2: I feel like as a parent, sometimes you have to
Speaker 2: just kind of go at like make the effort.
Speaker 1: You have to sacrifice as let me say, you have
Speaker 1: to sacrifice as a parent, and sometimes your kids are
Speaker 1: not actually they're not necessarily on the right side of
Speaker 1: what's going down. But for the sake of having a
Speaker 1: relationship with your child, for the sake of having love
Speaker 1: and peace in your family, you sacrifice what you think
Speaker 1: is right. You sacrifice your pride, You sacrifice things that
Speaker 1: you can keep your family together, which is something Cody
Speaker 1: won't do. And we know he won't do this because
Speaker 1: we saw during the COVID years when Gabe and Garrison
Speaker 1: tried to talk to him out at Coyote Pass, yep,
Speaker 1: and talk to him about their mother and not seeing him.
Speaker 1: He was completely resistant. Yes, and I think that's the
Speaker 1: season he called them narcissists, yes, and stupid and stupid. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the way that he even responded to his children
Speaker 1: who just were asking for more time from him.
Speaker 2: Yep, he was an asshole, such an asshole. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: needs to go see doctor Orna him and Robin. Yeah,
Speaker 2: wouldn't that be great?
Speaker 1: Well, people who want to get better go to therapy.
Speaker 1: Cody doesn't want to get better.
Speaker 2: No, because he thinks nothing's wrong with him. He even
Speaker 2: asks that what did I do wrong?
Speaker 1: Oh? We could tell you. How much time do you have?
Speaker 1: If you want to listen, we could tell you.
Speaker 2: And then, last, but not least, we have Mary and
Speaker 2: Vegas visiting her friend Brandy, who, yes, I don't think
Speaker 2: we've seen before.
Speaker 1: I don't recall her.
Speaker 2: She's a new friend. I guess they were like really
Speaker 2: close in Vegas, but we are just now meeting her.
Speaker 2: And this is where Mary tells Brandy Yummy and Cody
Speaker 2: are officially done, and Brandy's like, finally, thank god, great,
Speaker 2: So glad you got on this page, right Mary.
Speaker 1: And it's during this conversation and really during the entire
Speaker 1: episode that we're getting some of these fire yeah talking
Speaker 1: heads from Mary, who acknowledges that Cody's probably going to
Speaker 1: be pretty pissed at her when he sees this interview.
Speaker 1: And I hope that this continues all please seasons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we talk about so many things off the top
Speaker 1: of my head. She wants to talk specifically about Cody's
Speaker 1: claim that he never loved her and that he never
Speaker 1: loved any of his wives when he married them. Uh huh.
Speaker 1: And she's like, so, let me get this straight. So
Speaker 1: you were just a young man who saw a young
Speaker 1: woman and you thought to yourself, let me choose that
Speaker 1: young woman to try and affirm and love. I don't
Speaker 1: love her, I don't necessarily want her, but I'm willing
Speaker 1: to affirm love to her for thirty two years. She's like,
Speaker 1: is that what you're actually telling me? Or is the
Speaker 1: re reality that it was you and me that built
Speaker 1: this family? We're the first ones. Hello, and after me
Speaker 1: came Janelle and Christine. And so if my marriage, if
Speaker 1: our wedding was illegitimate, that means Janelle's wedding was illegitimate
Speaker 1: and Christine's wedding was illegitimate. Yep, all for what the
Speaker 1: reason is you love Robin who was ten years old
Speaker 1: at the time that you and I got married and
Speaker 1: started copulate in which is so wild that she said that,
Speaker 1: So Robin was ten or twelve years old? My god,
Speaker 1: what do you think her point was with that?
Speaker 2: I mean, like maybe calling him out, being like, you
Speaker 2: never loved me, Well, you did have to love me
Speaker 2: because Robin was a child, Like, but did you guys.
Speaker 1: Know Robin back then? No?
Speaker 2: Right, No, I think she's just making a dish since
Speaker 2: the fact.
Speaker 1: Rob don't exist. So you're telling me that you didn't
Speaker 1: love me and you only ever loved Robin while she
Speaker 1: was ten years old at the time. And what about
Speaker 1: all the times we fucked? What about the child that
Speaker 1: we have, what about the other marriages and all of
Speaker 1: these other kids, what about the homes, what about the depths,
Speaker 1: what about the money?
Speaker 2: What about the journey that was not real? Yea, no,
Speaker 2: it's so you're lying. I'm glad that she's calling that out,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, it's like hard for me
Speaker 2: that she's like, I mean, he was giving me all
Speaker 2: these mixed signals. I'm like, but he was literally saying,
Speaker 2: he was literally saying for years that he does not
Speaker 2: love you, he doesn't want to be with you.
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, but in order to get her
Speaker 1: to flag Staff, he did promise her a new start. Sure,
Speaker 1: and so even though in Vegas things definitely fell apart,
Speaker 1: and we know that he was not having sex with
Speaker 1: her for many years and they weren't having like a
Speaker 1: full relationship. He promised her like, once we get to
Speaker 1: flag Staff, we're going to turn this around and we're
Speaker 1: going to have a new start. What he was really
Speaker 1: doing was waiting as she sold her place in Vegas
Speaker 1: and then taking the profits and proceeds of the sale
Speaker 1: of her house and Janelle's and then using that to
Speaker 1: buy Robin's nine hundred thousand dollars home while Mary rented,
Speaker 1: Janelle rented, and Christine owned a lesser home.
Speaker 2: See, if he was playing the villain, he really needs
Speaker 2: to admit that he did all of that then, because
Speaker 2: otherwise I'm like, you just look.
Speaker 1: Like a fool.
Speaker 2: Don't come at me saying that you didn't love any
Speaker 2: of these women. But Robin, like that is such a
Speaker 2: load of bullshit. And then you're saying all of this
Speaker 2: shit to their kids and to the public, like gets crazy.
Speaker 2: So I love that Mary is getting mad at that
Speaker 2: and calling him out for that.
Speaker 1: I love how she.
Speaker 2: Swore and said of curse words and you could believe
Speaker 2: that out if you want great living for it.
Speaker 1: I love that as well. I do think that Mary
Speaker 1: could probably acknowledge that well. Maybe she did, because she
Speaker 1: even said, maybe I should have been committed for being
Speaker 1: committed for thirty two years, like maybe I was crazy
Speaker 1: for believing in this. But I do think that Mary
Speaker 1: takes her spiritual vows very seriously. Oh, that is her intention,
Speaker 1: or at least it was, that she would spend her
Speaker 1: eternity with this man, and that's the life she was building. Well,
Speaker 1: and so for a lot of us who aren't necessarily
Speaker 1: religious or we don't really get it like that, we
Speaker 1: don't understand it, like it's a bigger deal for her.
Speaker 1: And even though she may not have felt great about
Speaker 1: Cody and their relationship, she was working for a higher goal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, and she does take that very seriously. I
Speaker 2: was actually surprised to hear her talk about their spiritual
Speaker 2: marriage because she mentions that and says that she's in
Speaker 2: the process of getting that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Nolan Voyd, I don't know to go
Speaker 1: to Mormon temple, like, yeah, I have to. You think
Speaker 1: you have to go to like the elder, to the priest,
Speaker 1: to the priest. You have to have and they have
Speaker 1: to like sign off on it. They have to already
Speaker 1: been embarrassed by your family and they're like, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: get the heck out of here with the fire bullshit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, she's going to have to go through that process.
Speaker 1: It's probably similar to trying to get an annulment with
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. Oh is that a thing? Yeah? Yes.
Speaker 1: When I was married to my second husband, he had
Speaker 1: to annul his first marriage, which I'm like, well, why
Speaker 1: though you have two children from that marriage, why would
Speaker 1: you need to annul that? And he's like, well, in
Speaker 1: order for you to convert to Catholicism, which I was
Speaker 1: thinking about doing, I need to get an annulment. You
Speaker 1: need to get an annulment from your first husband, even
Speaker 1: though I was never a Catholic. It's crazy, the paperwork
Speaker 1: you've got to go through. So maybe with Mormonism it's
Speaker 1: something similar, like you got to you got to write
Speaker 1: to the Vatican, you got to write to Rome.
Speaker 2: And it's like actual paperwork.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 1: In fact, the reason I never converted was because the
Speaker 1: priest who was handling my paperwork, which it sounds so
Speaker 1: crazy to me, didn't submit it in time and didn't
Speaker 1: do all the things that he needed to do. Wow,
Speaker 1: which I don't want to hell. Then I took as
Speaker 1: a sign that I'm not meant to be Catholic, which
Speaker 1: is fine with me now. But yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's what Mary has to do too, something similar.
Speaker 2: Well, I know, I've talked to Ethel about it before
Speaker 2: and she said that it's like a whole thing because
Speaker 2: you have to go to the priest or whatever, the elders,
Speaker 2: and then you have to write like a reason for it,
Speaker 2: and then they have to approve it, and then it's
Speaker 2: this whole ceremony and like you know, weird secret handshakes
Speaker 2: and stuff that they have to do, and then it's
Speaker 2: you know, god on colub is like, yeah, it's fine,
Speaker 2: You're not sealed anymore for eternity.
Speaker 1: And then you're free to maybe meet somebody else and
Speaker 1: become a new polygamyal wife or something like that. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but Mary, go after what you want. I
Speaker 1: just want you to be happy. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: watched this episode and I have historically kind of been
Speaker 1: very irritated with Mary and her inability to communicate and
Speaker 1: just the way that she interacts in the family. And
Speaker 1: of course we just went through season five. Yeah with
Speaker 1: my God the wet Bar and I'm like, oh, Lord Jesus,
Speaker 1: she's annoying, But I really appreciated so much of what
Speaker 1: she said. I do think she at the time she's
Speaker 1: talking to Brandy on the couch in Las Vegas, I
Speaker 1: think she's trying to be kind, she's trying not to
Speaker 1: disparage Cody. But by the time we see her on
Speaker 1: the couch wearing that little camouflage thing, I think she's
Speaker 1: a little more ready to disparage Cody. So I'm hoping
Speaker 1: as we go on we get more from her. She
Speaker 1: did mention Robin, Yeah, and she doesn't think Robin is
Speaker 1: a bad person, and she knows that other people in
Speaker 1: the family do think she's a bad person, and a
Speaker 1: lot of the public think that she's bad, but that
Speaker 1: she thinks she's a good person.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that they had an alliance,
Speaker 1: and I think Robin may have tried to help Mary
Speaker 1: in certain ways during the relationships. But I think Mary
Speaker 1: is starting to wake up a little bit to the
Speaker 1: fact that towards the end there, Robin was throwing her
Speaker 1: under the bus a lot. Remember when I think it
Speaker 1: was Isabelle was coming for Christmas, and Mary has a
Speaker 1: good relationship with isabel And Robin never told Mary that
Speaker 1: Isabelle was in town and all this stuff. Like I
Speaker 1: think Mary's starting to realize, oh, maybe Robin wasn't the
Speaker 1: friend that I thought she was, but she's not ready
Speaker 1: quite yet, yeah, to throw her under the bus.
Speaker 2: So I think Mary's a little naive when it comes
Speaker 2: to people, Like she thought Cody was good until like
Speaker 2: just three seven weeks ago, so, and like she thought
Speaker 2: Cody had like good intentions with her so and he didn't.
Speaker 2: And then she's looking at Robin being like, yeah, she's
Speaker 2: not a bad person, because she's looking at their friendship
Speaker 2: as a whole, as opposed to like what Robin's been
Speaker 2: doing with Cody this whole entire time. And maybe there's
Speaker 2: like a little bit of denial with Mary of like
Speaker 2: not wanting to accept the fact that this friend that
Speaker 2: she was so close with for years essentially stole her
Speaker 2: husband away and took part in the breakup of this
Speaker 2: entire family. Maybe there's some denial there, but like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I was kind of sid eyeing that if, like.
Speaker 1: Robin's a good person.
Speaker 2: I know other people think she's bad, but she's a
Speaker 2: good person.
Speaker 1: I think she was a little bit tempered with that.
Speaker 1: I don't think she was very adamant about Robin being
Speaker 1: a good person, and she was like a little bit
Speaker 1: equivocating and acknowledging in her tone that there's some issues there,
Speaker 1: but that she still thinks she's okay. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens as the season goes on, definitely,
Speaker 1: But you know what I was thinking about, Beatrice, I
Speaker 1: was thinking about Leon a lot because I'm just wondering
Speaker 1: how Mary feels. Because the rumors have it, and these
Speaker 1: are just rumors, all alleged that Cody disapproves of Leon's lifestyle,
Speaker 1: and therefore I would imagine Robin does as well. And
Speaker 1: I believe Leon is somewhat, if not full on estranged
Speaker 1: from Cody and Robin. And if Cody is disapproving of
Speaker 1: Leon and Leon's existence, I would imagine that would piss
Speaker 1: Mary off for sure, especially over time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure as the mother, like You're gonna be like, really,
Speaker 2: you're going to disapprove of our child, like you should
Speaker 2: love our child no matter what. Fuck You and Mary
Speaker 2: seem to have a good relationship, like they post photos
Speaker 2: and the stuf.
Speaker 1: Has a great relationship with the rest of the family
Speaker 1: for the most part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think most people are accepting, right, And
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything else besides Cody and Robin.
Speaker 1: Didn't they just have a recent something or rather in
Speaker 1: Utah or Wyoming. Janelle was there, but I think Leon
Speaker 1: was there. Oh yeah, I think Leon was there. A
Speaker 1: lot of the other kids were there, so Leon's still
Speaker 1: a part of the family. But I think Cody has
Speaker 1: a problem with Leon being trends that's me, my fake
Speaker 1: psychic intuition, but I think he has a fundamental problem
Speaker 1: with Leon's existence, and I think as time goes on,
Speaker 1: that's going to really bother Mary more and more.
Speaker 2: It'd be nice to hear about it, though, it'd be
Speaker 2: nice to you know, know.
Speaker 1: Cody, how do you think Leon feels hearing how you
Speaker 1: talk about their mom? I mean, for real that you
Speaker 1: never loved their mom. Oh, that we never should have
Speaker 1: married their mom. Because we see in the previews for
Speaker 1: the season he's talking about like, yeah, well, the mistake
Speaker 1: was I married some I didn't love, or the mistake
Speaker 1: was I married the wrong person. So imagine being Leon
Speaker 1: or any of the other kids hearing their fathers say
Speaker 1: like I never loved your mom. That's therefore rendering you illegitimate,
Speaker 1: not legally, but like energetically and spiritually.
Speaker 2: Right, you weren't created out of love because I hated
Speaker 2: your mom.
Speaker 1: Apparently, I mean, even if it's true, Like, let's give
Speaker 1: him the benefit of the doubt, don't say it publicly. Serious,
Speaker 1: if you love your children, you don't say that shit
Speaker 1: publicly for real. But he does not give up food, No, because.
Speaker 2: He's pissed and his ego is so damaged because all
Speaker 2: of these women left him, Because how dare anybody leave
Speaker 2: Cody Brown?
Speaker 1: What did he want from Mary? Let's talk about that,
Speaker 1: Like what was his best case scenario? Like he's like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can live in the barn dominium. We can just
Speaker 1: be friends. You can continue to supplement the money that
Speaker 1: I enjoy and that my wife enjoys, because so continue
Speaker 1: to give us, to give us money and will and
Speaker 1: to let you live on Cody paths. Is that what
Speaker 1: he wanted her to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just to have the appearance of like he's
Speaker 2: a good polygamous man. He wanted her to be okay
Speaker 2: with that, But like, nobody is gonna be okay with
Speaker 2: being in a sexless, loveless marriage, not even a marriage,
Speaker 2: just a companionship friendship friendship, partnership friendship where I just
Speaker 2: live on the same property and like, I bring you
Speaker 2: cookies for Christmas, but then that's it. That's our only interaction.
Speaker 1: I think that's what he was hoping for. I think
Speaker 1: that was his best case scenario. Just put her in
Speaker 1: the loft above all of his storage and the barn dominium,
Speaker 1: and I'll see you from time to time and otherwise
Speaker 1: your persona non grata to me, exactly, but i'll see
Speaker 1: you in the afterlife though, yeah, you can still on
Speaker 1: it right exactly.
Speaker 2: Wow, but I won't touch you there either.
Speaker 1: I think we end the scene with Brandy with Mary
Speaker 1: talking about not knowing what to do with the mementos,
Speaker 1: like the photographs and the ornament with all of their
Speaker 1: pictures in it, and well, she also said like she's
Speaker 1: really pissed at Cody for leading her and everyone else,
Speaker 1: including the viewers, to believe that he was this guy
Speaker 1: who believed in polygamy when now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you don't. And she says that Cody has actually said
Speaker 1: words from his mouth that he thinks polygamy is not
Speaker 1: fair to women? What is that coming in? And Brandy
Speaker 1: says that doesn't sound like the Cody Brown that I know.
Speaker 1: And on the couch, Mary says, well, maybe it's just you, Cody,
Speaker 1: that weren't fair to women. Mike drop bomb drop so based.
Speaker 2: But do you think he actually says that? Do you
Speaker 2: think he actually believes that?
Speaker 1: Now? I think he actually said it. That's why I
Speaker 1: don't think Mary would have repeated it unless he said it.
Speaker 1: Why would he think that? Why would he say that?
Speaker 1: I don't know that would mean that you, in effect,
Speaker 1: are unfair to the wives that you no longer have.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: Is it a moment of awakening or is it just
Speaker 1: him trying to disavow something he said he believed to
Speaker 1: make it easier for him to be monogamous now I
Speaker 1: am not sure?
Speaker 2: Or is it him putting the blame on something other
Speaker 2: than himself, like, oh, it's polygamy that's bad to him
Speaker 2: and not me. I was a good husband, right, I
Speaker 2: did the best that I could. I'm not a bad guy.
Speaker 1: It's polygamy. But we're supposed to believe that Robin still
Speaker 1: wants polygamy and that she's unhappy because none of these
Speaker 1: other wives are around, and she wants to have other wives,
Speaker 1: So I don't like lady. I was gobsmacked when I
Speaker 1: heard that he said that, and then when Mary retorted
Speaker 1: in that way, I was like, yes, queen, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: But now Mary's left with the aftermath of this fake
Speaker 1: fucking relationship that she's trying to commit to. Yep, and
Speaker 1: years upon your thirty two years of artifacts and evidence
Speaker 1: supporting her relationship existed. What she's supposed to do with
Speaker 1: all this shit?
Speaker 2: I mean, what is she supposed to do in general? Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, you were married to this guy for thirty
Speaker 2: two years. He gave most of your life to him,
Speaker 2: So now alone and like that sucks. Maybe that's why
Speaker 2: she's doing her worthy of thing to make herself feel better,
Speaker 2: which is fair. Like I feel bad for her honestly,
Speaker 2: because now she's alone, she has nobody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we won't get started unworthy up. And like,
Speaker 1: how much time it would probably take for you to
Speaker 1: heal from this situation, specifically before you can go out
Speaker 1: there and try to help other people to heal in
Speaker 1: their own lives and on their own journey. We don't
Speaker 1: have to get into that because we've gotten into it before,
Speaker 1: but I did feel very bad. Like I have a
Speaker 1: box right over there filled with love letters from my
Speaker 1: second husband, your wife's father, pictures, yeah, when we first met,
Speaker 1: pictures of us all together, when your wife was just
Speaker 1: a child, like these pictures, which I would never burn.
Speaker 1: And Mary's not ready to do it either. I mean
Speaker 1: I would never get rid of And it's been I
Speaker 1: don't know, sixteen years or however many years it's been,
Speaker 1: and I still haven't given those things up because it's
Speaker 1: a part of my life that I don't want to forget.
Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful for my daughter. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: even grateful for him and the things that we learned together.
Speaker 1: So that's just part of divorce, and it's really hard.
Speaker 1: It's really hard. I remember when my mom and my
Speaker 1: dad got divorced. My mom had a hard time getting
Speaker 1: rid of everything, Like she got rid of the most shit,
Speaker 1: but the only thing that she kept was like all
Speaker 1: of the photos, so like we have all of their
Speaker 1: wedding photos and stuff like that, because she never want
Speaker 1: to get never wanted to get rid of it because
Speaker 1: she always said, you know, you girls might want that,
Speaker 1: like those are your parents, you know you still had that.
Speaker 1: It's your childhood, those are your memories, Like that's important.
Speaker 1: So like Mary's probably going to keep it, but it's
Speaker 1: going to be hard, yeah, to keep it all. And
Speaker 1: that sucks, it does, and yeah, I can relate to that.
Speaker 1: I really felt for her as she started to cry,
Speaker 1: and her sentiment that she wants to remain kind even
Speaker 1: though Cody is not kind and Brandy her friend even acknowledges,
Speaker 1: like all the shit he has said about you, how
Speaker 1: come you're not more mad?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: She's like, I just I want to conduct myself. I
Speaker 1: want to take a high road. I want to conduct
Speaker 1: myself at the highest possible level, which I respect. That's fair,
Speaker 1: But I encourage her to stop that shit immediately and
Speaker 1: start telling me teddy and start dragging this man reflect
Speaker 1: back to Cody Brown exactly who the fuck he is? Yes, please.
Speaker 1: He even talks about it, like we just said, like
Speaker 1: talking about looking at himself in the mirror and it's
Speaker 1: hard to see him based on see himself and love
Speaker 1: himself based on what his three wives have been saying
Speaker 1: about him. Because he's starting to internalize it, and that
Speaker 1: is what we want, and so Mary give it to him. Baby.
Speaker 2: Please, you're the one that knows the most.
Speaker 1: Give it to him. Please be so great. If she
Speaker 1: wrote a tell all book or something.
Speaker 2: She dragged him, yep through the mud, I'd love to
Speaker 2: see it.
Speaker 1: Well, he laughs about it on the couch. Did you
Speaker 1: catch that? And he's like, yeah, I know, Mary's now
Speaker 1: making her little statements about me. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: comment on it, and he just laughs, yeah, wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's holding a lot in imagine if she let the
Speaker 1: flood gates going.
Speaker 2: God. That's why I'm kind of hoping he continues on
Speaker 2: this path of being the villain and saying this fucked
Speaker 2: up shit, because maybe he'll say something just fucked up
Speaker 2: enough that Mary will just be like.
Speaker 1: You know what, sue him.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna assue you. I'm gonna say all this shit
Speaker 2: that you did to me, everything that you did to
Speaker 2: the other wives. There's more stories than just my ring baby, Yep,
Speaker 2: I know it. That'd be so great, it'd be fantastic.
Speaker 1: It's the hope and the dream of the raccoon.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pray to God on kolob Yes, dear gon.
Speaker 1: On Collab, dear Mormon, Jesus, dear with the pastor please please.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, did you get the sense that
Speaker 1: Mary was super chagrined that they were going out like this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like polygamy and what they've shown the audience and what
Speaker 1: they've shown the world, because I think she went into
Speaker 1: it with the right intention for them to show that,
Speaker 1: like polygamist families can be functioning and healthy and full
Speaker 1: of love, and they just ended up showing something so
Speaker 1: fucking toxic. Yep, And she's really sad that that was
Speaker 1: the example that they made. Oh yeah, I would be.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, this is our legacy, really, like we're
Speaker 2: gonna break up after all these years? Like wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: i'd be upset. And actually, the guy from My Five Wives, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a very boring show. I mean good, I've never
Speaker 2: seen it. It's like there's some like little tidbits and stuff,
Speaker 2: but they're not as dysfunctional as the Browns. But anyway,
Speaker 2: he's got five wives, he's a polygamist, he lives up
Speaker 2: in Washington. He commented about this whole thing just recently,
Speaker 2: and he said that Cody is such a piece of shit,
Speaker 2: like basically just like how could.
Speaker 1: You do this?
Speaker 2: Like you are making a mockery of polygamy, and like,
Speaker 2: you didn't do this right, And like, if you're saying
Speaker 2: you didn't get married for love, then what did you
Speaker 2: get married for?
Speaker 1: Like that's the.
Speaker 2: Whole point of polygamy, as a whole point of our faith. Like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you talking about? He called him
Speaker 2: out real, really great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just recent, fantastic, and we know that Joe Darker
Speaker 1: also called him out a couple of years ago. I
Speaker 1: love it, And that's what needs to happen. And you know,
Speaker 1: Cody respects and needs the validation of men.
Speaker 2: Of course, because he's gay.
Speaker 1: My god, I didn't say that. You did. We've been
Speaker 1: talking for so long. Let's wrap it up. So the
Speaker 1: preview was something we have already seen. It was the
Speaker 1: season previews.
Speaker 2: Yes, Christine dating David there, hi.
Speaker 1: Baby, Oh my god. Maybe I can't take Janelle talking
Speaker 1: about suing. Yes, but she doesn't. Well, but maybe they settled,
Speaker 1: Maybe they want to see it. May they mediated. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's conversations with lawyers. Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2: And then we have Cody and Mary arguing. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: have Cody meeting David, which I love to say.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a nothing burger.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know I feel like there's gonna
Speaker 2: be some looks shared. I feel like David's gonna be
Speaker 2: like this guy.
Speaker 1: He's a loser, he has inverted testicles, he's got no boldness.
Speaker 1: And I don't think David cares. Yeah, David does, okay.
Speaker 2: God, and then Robins saying she's losing respect for Cody,
Speaker 2: but we think that's bullshit. Cody trying to reconcile with
Speaker 2: Chanelle because he's.
Speaker 1: Broke, right, he's the writing on the wall. He's broke.
Speaker 1: You're making how much beautiful today?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I feel like we could get together again.
Speaker 1: Don't you feel this? I don't feel it. I do
Speaker 1: not feel it, don't feel it at all.
Speaker 2: And then him Cody saying, blame yourself if I don't
Speaker 2: love you.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so we should, oh my god, with raccoons.
Speaker 2: We should put that on there with one of our
Speaker 2: worst reviews. Blame yourself if you don't love.
Speaker 1: Us, that would be so good your internal license. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Well, blame yourself you don't like me? Seriously?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, do we have anything else that we
Speaker 1: need to say to these beautiful raccoons before we get
Speaker 1: up on outa here?
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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. Thank you. We will be back
Speaker 1: later this week to talk the secret lives of Mormon wives.
Speaker 2: I can't wait, elscandala, Oh my god, swingers, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm so orgy, orgies, keddemy extensions, domestic violence.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great, so make sure you come back
Speaker 1: for that, and until then, please don't forget that we
Speaker 1: have nothing but love for you and Pea. My guys,