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<v Speaker 1>You're flat out and your to do list is growing

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hello, Hi, it's your old dog hiding behind the

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<v Speaker 2>couch because I ate from the garbage again. For week two,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all Ali Ward. Okay, why well, because we're back

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<v Speaker 2>for part two of theorology. Folks, did you listen to

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<v Speaker 2>part one? I hope you did. If you haven't, then

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<v Speaker 2>just stop this. Go back listen to part one. That's

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<v Speaker 2>how things work sequentially, and part one is bananas. How

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<v Speaker 2>crazy bananas was that episode? So I heard from so

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<v Speaker 2>many of you that it was like life changing, totally

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<v Speaker 2>was for me too. And so we're back for the

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<v Speaker 2>last half of the interview because I did talk to

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<v Speaker 2>that ologist for one million hours, so I split it

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<v Speaker 2>into two. Fun fact, did you know that you can't

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<v Speaker 2>spell interview without review. Got it. And when you rate

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<v Speaker 2>and review and subscribe to this podcast, it keeps it

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<v Speaker 2>up in the charts, and it helps other people see it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then boom, you have more people to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff with at dinner parties. So and I read

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<v Speaker 2>every single one of your reviews. Every single one is

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<v Speaker 2>that weird. I do it, no shame. And this week's

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<v Speaker 2>review was just so kind. The review I picked to

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<v Speaker 2>read is from stir Fried. The part I loved said,

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<v Speaker 2>even when I see a topic and I'm like, eh,

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<v Speaker 2>I give it a listen, and I get wrapped up

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<v Speaker 2>in it as if it were a topic that I

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<v Speaker 2>was enthralled with. Keep it up, Alli. And so if

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<v Speaker 2>there are any episodes that you haven't listened to because

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, I don't think I'm gonna like that, go

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<v Speaker 2>back and listen to it. My promise, I put stuff

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<v Speaker 2>in there for everyone, and you're gonna be like, who knew.

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<v Speaker 2>I am now very very excited about Jemstone and birds.

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<v Speaker 2>So head on back, okay, but let's get back to it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we learned last week that feorology is indeed a

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<v Speaker 2>real word. It has been cited in the literature and

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<v Speaker 2>that stress is just a sneaky, deaky word for fear

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<v Speaker 2>that blew my mind, and that fear is not helpful

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<v Speaker 2>unless it's factual, and you need your muscles tens to

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<v Speaker 2>outrun an angry animal, And that a lot of our

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<v Speaker 2>fictional fears stem from just plain old human not being

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<v Speaker 2>good enough or from being out of control? So why

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<v Speaker 2>did I never learn that in therapy? Ever? Why not? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>No matter. Also, if this podcast makes your life any better,

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<v Speaker 2>here's where I say, maybe consider being a patron for

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<v Speaker 2>that out there. Patrons get to ask their questions to theologists.

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<v Speaker 2>And also you help support the making of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>which requires like web hosting and editing and microphones and

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of other bullshit. Anyway, back to Fear. So

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<v Speaker 2>this week we'll find out how super successful people approach fear.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll learn about Mary's scariest hour of her life and

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<v Speaker 2>what she learned, plus all your questions about everything from

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<v Speaker 2>night terrors to self spookery to shark's bad pr image

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<v Speaker 2>to how likely is it that a snake bites your butt?

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<v Speaker 2>And also the best thing about following your passions in life.

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<v Speaker 2>So sit back, breathe deep, and hold on to your

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<v Speaker 2>Amignola folks. For Fearrologists Part two Mary Puff and Roth.

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<v Speaker 3>And it sounds like a Harry Potter name, which is

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<v Speaker 3>totally fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get right into it. Let's talk about what is

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<v Speaker 2>the most afraid Mary Poffinroth ferrologist has ever been. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you know the most afraid you've ever been?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see, I'm afraid a lot. Probably one story that

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<v Speaker 3>pops in my mid and it's usually when you think

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<v Speaker 3>about all the things you're really afraid of, it's like

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<v Speaker 3>death right of some kind, either like your death or

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<v Speaker 3>someone that you loves death. Because death is final. It's

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<v Speaker 3>one of those things that generally you can't live through,

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<v Speaker 3>and even living through someone else's death is always really challenging.

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<v Speaker 2>For more about fearing death, you can see or revisit

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<v Speaker 2>the episode on Thanatology with Cole and Perry. Okay, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get back to our story.

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<v Speaker 3>Once I was doing my graduate work in biology in

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<v Speaker 3>the warm mountains of California, which is like very northeastern

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<v Speaker 3>corner in the middle of nowhere, and it's like an

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<v Speaker 3>eight hour drive from the Bay Area, which means that

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<v Speaker 3>I had to like go by my self to do

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<v Speaker 3>live trapping like a lot. And it's I'm probably like

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three at the time, twenty four, and it's a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of sage brush scrub, which is kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>blue color. And I'm dressed in gray field pants and

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<v Speaker 3>a gray vest because I'm smart, and it's hunting season

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<v Speaker 3>because it's the middle of nowhere, so I'm not by

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<v Speaker 3>myself in the middle of like the sage brush scrub,

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<v Speaker 3>checking my traps, studying the habitat partition of chipmunk species.

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<v Speaker 3>So out there dying a thing, and hear this like

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<v Speaker 3>my initial like you know, reaction is to get super small,

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<v Speaker 3>hit the deck, like you really really tiny. And at

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<v Speaker 3>this point I know I'm getting shot at, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't know if they're doing it because they

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<v Speaker 3>don't see me or because they do see me. So

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<v Speaker 3>and as a woman, the first thing in my mind

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<v Speaker 3>is like not death, but like, oh my god, these

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<v Speaker 3>are hunters. They are going to be like cowboys. They're

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<v Speaker 3>going to rape me. That's like that's where my mind

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<v Speaker 3>initially goes and as you do, yeah, as you do, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and the I'm like, okay, what I do?

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm trying to get really small under the stage

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<v Speaker 3>bush grub and I turn over to my left and

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<v Speaker 3>there's a giant fire ant hill like right in front

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<v Speaker 3>of my face. So I have to make some decisions

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<v Speaker 3>is even if I ran, I'm not a good runner,

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<v Speaker 3>would be like like a ten minute run to get

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<v Speaker 3>just stay still? Do I do? Like? Do I? I don't? Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't stay right here because there's fire ants literally

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<v Speaker 3>in my face. And at this point, I'm going through

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<v Speaker 3>all of the scenarios of what could happen and do

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<v Speaker 3>I deal with the very real in my face fire

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<v Speaker 3>ants and just stay where I am and don't move

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<v Speaker 3>because they might see if I move? Do I make

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<v Speaker 3>noise because maybe they'd be just don't see me? Because

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<v Speaker 3>I want to trust that humans are good. You're like,

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<v Speaker 3>what are what are I motions? And then I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 3>like the news right of like young Field biologists, Warner Mountains,

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<v Speaker 3>and this happens within seconds, right all of these scenarios

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<v Speaker 3>play out in your head. And I definitely and being alone,

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<v Speaker 3>right because they like if I had been with someone

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<v Speaker 3>else's ability to reach out would have made everything so

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<v Speaker 3>much better, you know, safety and numbers and uh, this

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<v Speaker 3>was like before cell phones were a thing. So this

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<v Speaker 3>is right, And so you're just in nature. I love

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<v Speaker 3>nature of a biologists, but also nature is scary because

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<v Speaker 3>we are not good at defending ourselves yet. Just we're

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<v Speaker 3>pretty like we don't have things, we don't have a

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<v Speaker 3>good ability to do much of anything physical.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll think our way out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, good luck, right, Yeah, I mean've got a

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<v Speaker 3>posable thumbs. That's kind of cool. Helps, And so I

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<v Speaker 3>think that probably is one definitely one of like the

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<v Speaker 3>like scariest actual situation.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you resolve it?

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<v Speaker 3>So I kind of like scoot it down again, like

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<v Speaker 3>looking I'm kind of you know, like very very tiny,

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<v Speaker 3>I like to say, uh, fun sized, And I just

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<v Speaker 3>scooted like around away from the ants and just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like froze there and like wait and then like

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<v Speaker 3>waited to hear stuff. So they were like in an

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<v Speaker 3>ATV which made noise and just waited for the ATV

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<v Speaker 3>sounds to like move away, And I have no idea

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<v Speaker 3>how long I was there, but just like made myself small,

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<v Speaker 3>did not like, you know, cause the fighting that wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>really gonna help. Yeah, I like flying, I knew it

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<v Speaker 3>was too far, so I'm like, I will just hide.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, what were they shooting at?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think point dear? Yeah, it's it's like really

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<v Speaker 3>middle of nowhere California, like the one town. And by town,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean there was a gas station and a bar

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<v Speaker 3>and fifteen minutes away drive. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just a quick note. So curiosity got the better

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<v Speaker 2>of me and I was like, what happens if you

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<v Speaker 2>do bury your face in a pile of fire ants?

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<v Speaker 2>What happens? And it led me to a YouTube video

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<v Speaker 2>with fourteen million views in which a guy named Coyote

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<v Speaker 2>Peterson inserts his hands into a mound of loose sandy

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<v Speaker 2>soil like he's just getting the world's worst manicure by

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of Satan servants giving him itchy lumps and pustules.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's listen in.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Kyartie Peterson, not about ten to the strike zone

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<v Speaker 4>with the fire ant. You guys ready you shot good

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<v Speaker 4>yep one two, three, holy cow out?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh, holy cow.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a lot of things already.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, he tries to keep them in there for like

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<v Speaker 2>sixty full seconds, just like a good cuticle soak, but

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<v Speaker 2>he lasts maybe twenty five because he's like, fuck this shit,

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<v Speaker 2>I hate science. Now he doesn't say that vocal, but

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<v Speaker 2>I bet it's it's head a little bit. Okay, back

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<v Speaker 2>to Mary, who were they shooting at and what happened?

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<v Speaker 3>It was. It was definitely one of those like I

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<v Speaker 3>am actually kind of screwed if they if they were

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<v Speaker 3>shooting at me because they saw me. But then the

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<v Speaker 3>reality is the chances are they probably were shooting at

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<v Speaker 3>a deer and not me, and they shouldn't see me

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<v Speaker 3>because I was all in gray and still, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to put that in the factual. Yeah, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>definitely it was. You know, the the getting shot at

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<v Speaker 3>was super fact. But then you know, my mind continue

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<v Speaker 3>to make all different reasons and in that situation, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't know, and so I just kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>waited it out until I heard them like really far away,

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<v Speaker 3>and then just like took off.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank God, You're like, do we owe someone money? Am

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<v Speaker 2>I the mob? What's happening?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this a political assassination?

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, even ferologists get afraid. It happens. But like

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<v Speaker 2>super successful, crazy successful people, they must just lack a gene.

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<v Speaker 2>They just must not feel fear. Right, So actually I

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<v Speaker 2>want to come back. This was the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the talk.

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<v Speaker 3>I was saying that there's uh a guy who did

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<v Speaker 3>some research looking at how what vocabulary was being used

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<v Speaker 3>of super successful people versus like less than successful or

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<v Speaker 3>mediocre people. And like the hyper successful people like the

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<v Speaker 3>Richard Branson's and the Ed Catmell of Pixar and like

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<v Speaker 3>the I mean wow, have done crazy stuff. They use

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<v Speaker 3>the word fear. They use the word afraid, and they

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<v Speaker 3>I think he used the exact word fear like ninety

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>And people that are less successful, guess what word they

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<v Speaker 2>Stress shut up?

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<v Speaker 3>pushing our limits. So learning that fear is something you

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<v Speaker 3>not like you run towards your mugger, right, let's hug. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, making those adult decisions, but feeling that

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<v Speaker 2>And that is in terms of you know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>is why exposure therapy can be helpful.

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<v Speaker 3>they feel a little bit safe, but still their brain

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<v Speaker 2>It would just be me in a spreadsheet.

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<v Speaker 2>Them so much. Okay, you're ready for rapid fire. Mm hmm, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna throw these out. You can answer as

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<v Speaker 2>quickly as you want. Okay. These are from Patreon's patrons

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<v Speaker 2>on Patreon who support the show. Thanks guys. Tyler Fox

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<v Speaker 2>wants to know. Is fear of the dark mostly universal?

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<v Speaker 3>we would naturally get in our little safe protective area,

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<v Speaker 3>see and there's predators out there and we can't see

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<v Speaker 3>that well at night, like walk into your room or

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<v Speaker 3>about beer, you want to really try and separate the

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<v Speaker 3>bathroom when it's dark at night, but I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>go back to bed. But have to pee, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just keep thinking, like, what if there's but if there's

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<v Speaker 3>a snake in the toilet. I live in downtown La, y'all,

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<v Speaker 3>Like there's no. I mean, I don't live in the tropics.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that's but I just I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, what if it bites my butt?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really it's how cute, how cut would be just

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, but the probability very slim.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's very slim. Okay, quick note here, how

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<v Speaker 2>probable is it that a snake will bite your butt?

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<v Speaker 2>I started looking into this to prove that it's happened

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, sure enough, a family in Seattle a few

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<v Speaker 2>years ago found an enormous ball python in their apartment toilet,

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<v Speaker 2>and that kind of blew the notion up a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I started finding more and more stories. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>this is not an isolated incident. So the BBC did

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<v Speaker 2>says that rats sometimes hang out in sewer pipes, which

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<v Speaker 2>is like so on brand for them and the snakes

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<v Speaker 2>follow the rats. They're just like walking hamburgers. So this

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<v Speaker 2>and he was like, not vague about his feelings. He said, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the worst job. You get a toilet bowl that's

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<v Speaker 2>been there thirty forty years. We see the bit that

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<v Speaker 2>gets cleaned, but the rest of it doesn't. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you go to pull the thing out of there, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not fun. I usually have a bottle of disinfectant with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Only imagine. He said all of that in a very

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<v Speaker 2>charming wildlife Australian. Okay, So then I scrolled through a

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<v Speaker 2>large volume of images online of things in your toilet

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<v Speaker 2>that should not be in your toilet, and I found

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<v Speaker 2>photos of very wet baby bunnies, a dazed and sopping squirrel,

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<v Speaker 2>and dozens of bright green toilet frogs that had just

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<v Speaker 2>sauntered up a pipe after a rainstorm. So it happens,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's still rare, and most of the time just

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<v Speaker 2>think of it as a universe delivering you a new

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<v Speaker 3>But it's one of those things that I think about

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<v Speaker 3>and be like, Okay, it's irrational. I'm just gonna just

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<v Speaker 3>when you go into a dark room, it's you don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what's going to be there. And this is why

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<v Speaker 3>when we look at horror movies and the tropes that

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<v Speaker 3>are in there, they're very specifically tapping into those natural fears,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Like horror movies are usually dark and there's

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<v Speaker 3>a spooky house or there's a corn field, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>not like bright, sunny, beautiful day. Usually it's like dark,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're never like they never take place in like

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that strikes terror in a lot of people, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Tofer Mendoza wants to know. Is fear a learned behavior? Says,

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<v Speaker 2>I used to be afraid of a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 2>and then my belief structure change. Now I find it

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<v Speaker 2>to be scary.

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<v Speaker 3>So with fear, there's both, like we're saying, fictional and

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<v Speaker 3>factual fear, So we're always going to have a natural

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<v Speaker 3>fear response. So at the top of hour, we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about stressors versus stress, So as those stressors change, we

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<v Speaker 3>can have a different perception of how we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>react to those stressors, and everyone's gonna have a little

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<v Speaker 3>So you can learn to be more afraid, you can

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<v Speaker 3>be you can learn to be less afraid. But you're

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<v Speaker 3>always going to have fear in some way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 3>It might not be something you're dealing with daily, right

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<v Speaker 3>like that factual fear of having your life physically threatened,

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<v Speaker 3>or someone that you love that you know you're out

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<v Speaker 3>of control to impact it, or you know, those kind

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<v Speaker 3>of fears. Hopefully you're very minimal in our lives. So

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<v Speaker 3>really the fictional fears where we can do the most

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<v Speaker 3>work and we have the most impact. So it sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like the Patreon there was able to do that work

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<v Speaker 3>with the fictional fears and start whittling down their reaction

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<v Speaker 3>to those things that are not directly impacting their ability

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<v Speaker 3>to survive, and even within factual fears, like you look

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<v Speaker 3>at military training where they're trying to get people to

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<v Speaker 3>move past what their initial like fear reaction would be

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<v Speaker 3>with you know, someone literally coming to pretend to kill them.

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<v Speaker 2>Military training involves something called fear inoculation, which is getting

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<v Speaker 2>exposed to scary ish situations in kind of small amounts

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<v Speaker 2>until you're just no longer shocked by them. You're just

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<v Speaker 2>They simulate bad via in this kind of blew my

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<v Speaker 2>mind paintball and laser tag, which now totally justifies my

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<v Speaker 2>dislike of these recreational activities. If someone's like, hey, it's

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<v Speaker 2>other with lasers, there's one of those things that I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>And that's training and it takes a while. But to

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<v Speaker 3>say that even a highly trained Navy seal is not

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<v Speaker 3>afraid is ridiculous. They're still they're going to acknowledge it,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're going to have the skills in training to

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be interesting to make a list of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that scare you most, or the times you've been most afraid,

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<v Speaker 2>and go back and think, was there an actual danger there?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? And how would I handle

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<v Speaker 2>that fear in hindsight? Knowing I'm thinking about the times

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<v Speaker 2>I've been most afraid, and yeah, I think about like

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<v Speaker 2>the centrifuge, and I'm like, yeah, no, I didn't need

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<v Speaker 2>I threw my purse really far. I distracted them, I

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<v Speaker 2>yourself out of it. You're like, ria are rihah already

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<v Speaker 3>Throughout the work that I do. I like to have

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<v Speaker 3>You want to you know, make the journey as light

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<v Speaker 2>You feel like anytime you have loaded a pet into

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<v Speaker 2>the car to go to the vet, you've probably gotten

422
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<v Speaker 2>shit on it, like at least once. Like I remember

423
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<v Speaker 2>having to take a cat to the vet once and

424
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<v Speaker 2>it was just explosion. It was like you stepped on

425
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<v Speaker 2>a pastry bag. And I was like why, and it's

426
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<v Speaker 2>like I'm scared.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what a car. I don't understand cars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I guess that our bodies do that before

429
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<v Speaker 2>a big presentation or whatever. You know, your body's like,

430
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<v Speaker 2>you know what would help this presentation. It's just a

431
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<v Speaker 2>bit a diarrhea.

432
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<v Speaker 3>Give that something extra.

433
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<v Speaker 2>This is what's going to help you survive your like

434
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<v Speaker 2>PhD dissertation, it's just explode your butthole. I've also heard

435
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<v Speaker 2>that right before a fight, your body wants to lighten

436
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<v Speaker 2>your load and you get stabbed by claws like in

437
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<v Speaker 2>your colon, and then the less you have on board,

438
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<v Speaker 2>the smaller your risk of contaminating your own body with

439
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<v Speaker 2>the filthy contents that is the bag of waste that

440
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<v Speaker 2>is your guts. I hope you're not eating. So I

441
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<v Speaker 2>look for some articles on this and I can't confirm it,

442
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<v Speaker 2>but I think it's a cute idea, kind of like

443
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<v Speaker 2>your body, just like toss in a bowllet chili in

444
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<v Speaker 2>the bushes before a fistfight, so it doesn't stain your shirt. Now, okay,

445
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<v Speaker 2>what if you're just blessed with not feeling any fear

446
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<v Speaker 2>at all. Well, there's this disease called herbach wife. I

447
00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:35.240
<v Speaker 2>think that's how you pronounce it. That can cause calcium

448
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<v Speaker 2>deposits and lesions on the little almond fear factory that

449
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<v Speaker 2>is your amygdala, and thus it can reduce a patient's

450
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<v Speaker 2>fear response to next to nothing. My friend, doctor Tigenwall,

451
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<v Speaker 2>thank you, by the way for telling me about this

452
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<v Speaker 2>over dinner. So one sufferer of this disease is identified

453
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<v Speaker 2>only as SM It's probably at the behest of the

454
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<v Speaker 2>researchers for an anonymity, but she's probably like so a

455
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<v Speaker 2>lot of people find I now who I am? I

456
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<v Speaker 2>literally fear nothing. That's probably not true, but according to

457
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<v Speaker 2>Wikipedia quote, SM appears to experience relatively little negative emotion

458
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<v Speaker 2>while simultaneously experiencing a relatively high degree of positive effect

459
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<v Speaker 2>despite great adversity in her life. So researchers are like, yeah,

460
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<v Speaker 2>she's pretty happy. Man. She's got a shit life, but

461
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<v Speaker 2>she's pretty happy. So researchers took SM to an exotic

462
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<v Speaker 2>pet store. They had her whole snakes and spiders, and

463
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<v Speaker 2>she was fine. She was like, this is dope, which

464
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<v Speaker 2>I kind of have to agree with her. That would

465
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<v Speaker 2>be pretty cool. But they also took her to a

466
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<v Speaker 2>haunted halloween house and she was just chill. She was like,

467
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<v Speaker 2>this is fun. Her lack of anticipatory fear, though, has

468
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<v Speaker 2>had as consequences. She walks alone at night whenever she wants,

469
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<v Speaker 2>and she's been mugged, but she continues to take the

470
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<v Speaker 2>same walk home, something that her amygdala in a healthy

471
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<v Speaker 2>state would otherwise be screaming at her, like no recalculating route, bitch, no,

472
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<v Speaker 2>do not go down that street. But as Sam is

473
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<v Speaker 2>said to be super friendly to strangers, so I imagine she's

474
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<v Speaker 2>probably like a hoot at a cocktail party. Megan Gerard asks,

475
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<v Speaker 2>setting aside really split second super bad situations factional, what

476
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<v Speaker 2>can we do to help control or tamp down fear

477
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<v Speaker 2>for things that we know logically are not dangerous or scary?

478
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<v Speaker 2>So once again, Rhea, Yeah, you.

479
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<v Speaker 3>Know, like try and recognize even just the I mean,

480
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<v Speaker 3>there's so much power in just having the self awareness saying, oh,

481
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<v Speaker 3>I'm having a fear response right now, instead of just

482
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<v Speaker 3>following that fear response like Alice in Wonderland down the

483
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<v Speaker 3>rabbit hole, being like should should I follow that rabbit

484
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<v Speaker 3>or should I maybe just chill out and see what

485
00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:51.000
<v Speaker 3>the situation is? So recognizing that in the moment, identifying it,

486
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<v Speaker 3>you know, like name it to claim it, saying okay,

487
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<v Speaker 3>so what is this? Is it? Is it dread? Do

488
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<v Speaker 3>I just kind of like am I anxious that something's

489
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<v Speaker 3>gonna happen? Am I actually terrified? Am I feeling just insecure?

490
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:04.920
<v Speaker 3>Like I just I don't have control over the situation?

491
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<v Speaker 3>And like I said before, those two are usually like

492
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<v Speaker 3>enough to start pulling you out of it and then

493
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<v Speaker 3>really address what kind of outcomes can be managed here?

494
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<v Speaker 3>Is there a strategy you can employ that would help

495
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<v Speaker 3>to alleviate what you're feeling right now, or just even

496
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<v Speaker 3>doing kind of what's the worst that could happen that

497
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<v Speaker 3>if you play that little game you know in your head,

498
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<v Speaker 3>what's the worst that could happen, and just keep going

499
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<v Speaker 3>for like five or six times you get to a

500
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<v Speaker 3>point you're like, Okay, I'm actually not gonna die. Then

501
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<v Speaker 3>your brain's like okay, we're not gonna die. Cool, I'm

502
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<v Speaker 3>gonna go back to say good right.

503
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<v Speaker 2>Those are this is I'm gonna have to just carry

504
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<v Speaker 2>that around on like an emergency bracelet. That's like in

505
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<v Speaker 2>case of emergency. Ari Sarah Mischell asks how can someone

506
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<v Speaker 2>be afraid of something they haven't necessarily experienced, like sharks

507
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<v Speaker 2>for example? Like what triggers a fearful response if you've

508
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<v Speaker 2>never even been scared of it in person?

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<v Speaker 3>Part of that can be media, and sharks is such

510
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<v Speaker 3>a good example because uh, like toasters and vending machines

511
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:06.720
<v Speaker 3>kill more people every year than sharks, right for real,

512
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<v Speaker 3>And unless you are a scuba diver or a surfer, like,

513
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<v Speaker 3>it's not a shark nado, yeah up in your hometown

514
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:17.799
<v Speaker 3>in Nebraska, Like why it's they're literally in the ocean. Yeah,

515
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:20.640
<v Speaker 3>but we have a tear of sharks because thinks Jaws,

516
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.480
<v Speaker 3>because they make a really good villain because they're not

517
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.960
<v Speaker 3>that cute, they have like funky teeth, they're big, they're

518
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:31.519
<v Speaker 3>cold blooded, and so they make a really good way

519
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:35.279
<v Speaker 3>for stories to have a big scary monster, because we

520
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:37.519
<v Speaker 3>like to be scared in a safe way and we

521
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:40.720
<v Speaker 3>want those big scary monsters, and sharks just fit the

522
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:43.319
<v Speaker 3>bill really well. So we have been trained to be

523
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<v Speaker 3>scared of sharks, and part of that is good storytelling

524
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:49.759
<v Speaker 3>of the build up and not having control like you

525
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:51.599
<v Speaker 3>know in Jaws, where you have like the little swimmer

526
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:53.319
<v Speaker 3>on the top and why are they always women in

527
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.519
<v Speaker 3>bikinis that get eaten whatever, and so you you know,

528
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<v Speaker 3>and we're not made to be in water. We can

529
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<v Speaker 3>be in water for a short amount of time, but

530
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<v Speaker 3>we're not that good. We're kind of clunky and like,

531
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<v Speaker 3>and so we don't have full control over over our faculties.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's already putting us in a vulnerable position. So

533
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:11.440
<v Speaker 3>already kind of like on edge. And then you have

534
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<v Speaker 3>something coming from the deep and it's you know, like

535
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<v Speaker 3>I just wooh, scary, move us us again, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have darkness and you have the inability to

537
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you probably can't fight it because you just

538
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:29.799
<v Speaker 2>you got these dumb little arms. And then flight is

539
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:32.039
<v Speaker 2>difficult because you're you can't swim as fast as you

540
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<v Speaker 2>can run.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

542
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can't see it. Yeah, you probably can't hear

543
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:37.640
<v Speaker 3>it because it's under the ocean. They're not like, hey,

544
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<v Speaker 3>I'm a shark.

545
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<v Speaker 1>Of comment.

546
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<v Speaker 3>Like, it's so all of our senses that keep us safe,

547
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 3>that let us understand our outside world aren't really that

548
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 3>great in the water, and that makes us vulnerable to

549
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:53.839
<v Speaker 3>actual death. And that's what is really good to tap

550
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<v Speaker 3>into the big scary monster idea.

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<v Speaker 2>So sharks just get a bad wrap, I know, or

552
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<v Speaker 2>sharks vending machines watch out. I've did some research on

553
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.440
<v Speaker 2>that one. So once I was hosting and writing on

554
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:08.240
<v Speaker 2>the show about fearful situations and the science behind them,

555
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<v Speaker 2>and so before we shot, I did some digging on

556
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<v Speaker 2>air show fighter pilot dangers versus shark dangers versus vending machines.

557
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<v Speaker 2>And it turns out that sharks in the US kill

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<v Speaker 2>like one person every two years, and maybe one or

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<v Speaker 2>two deaths a year happened in fighter jet aeronautic flights

560
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<v Speaker 2>like air shows, but vending machines tipping over killed two

561
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<v Speaker 2>people a year, usually people who've been trying to shake

562
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.240
<v Speaker 2>snacks free from their coiled grip. While I was on

563
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<v Speaker 2>location with fighter pilots shooting the show, a vending machine

564
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:44.880
<v Speaker 2>at the Air Force base started to dispense some barbecue

565
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>potato chips, about which I was very excited, but then

566
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 2>just dangled them mercilessly at me. And these two fighter

567
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:53.839
<v Speaker 2>pilots were like, yeah, sometimes you just have to kind

568
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.359
<v Speaker 2>of shake the machine, and I was like, no, y'all

569
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<v Speaker 2>can't go out like this. Of all the ways, this

570
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.759
<v Speaker 2>is the most dangerous. But it was fine and the chips,

571
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:04.559
<v Speaker 2>the chips were good, so and I was like, dang,

572
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<v Speaker 2>vending machines are dangerous, yes, yep.

573
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<v Speaker 3>And it's perception right, and data will only go so

574
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<v Speaker 3>far to calling your perceived fears, like no one's afraid

575
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<v Speaker 3>of any machine. Yet the data shows that more people

576
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.599
<v Speaker 3>die from vending machines than sharks. But our brain has

577
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:25.480
<v Speaker 3>that such a debias of like I'm still.

578
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<v Speaker 2>Not going to be afraid of a vending machine, and

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't even count the cholesterol problems that might happen

580
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<v Speaker 2>with a veny machine, or like you know the coronary

581
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>disease that happens. I mean, you're talking to someone who

582
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<v Speaker 2>used to eat ham sandwiches out of vending machines. Yeah,

583
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<v Speaker 2>I had a job where that was dinner at like midnight,

584
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:44.440
<v Speaker 2>as I would go down and get a ham sandwich.

585
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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, they're dangerous on a lot of front.

586
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<v Speaker 1>You're flat out and your to do list is growing

587
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.920
<v Speaker 1>by the minute, but unfortunately so is your headache. And

588
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>now you've gone from flat out to flattened. Luckily, panodal

589
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<v Speaker 1>extra film coated tablets are boosted by caffeine and they

590
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<v Speaker 1>get to work in as little as ten minutes for

591
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.759
<v Speaker 1>powerful relief. That's more than just paracetamol. That's one for

592
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<v Speaker 1>panadal speed based on absorption data. Contains paracetamol. Always read

593
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<v Speaker 1>the label or leaflet.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob wants to know how clear is a line between

595
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>anxiety and fear, and can you tell me a little

596
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.640
<v Speaker 2>bit more about those negative health effects of living with fear.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, you said anxiety and fear pretty much the same thing,

598
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:31.160
<v Speaker 3>pretty much, saything. Yeah, Now we're talking about clinical level anxiety.

599
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<v Speaker 3>That's going to be a actual thing that needs to

600
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.880
<v Speaker 3>be addressed in a professional setting, right, so that's when

601
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.759
<v Speaker 3>you aren't able to adequately handle your fear and your

602
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:48.759
<v Speaker 3>anxiety is negatively impacting your life. And it's that line

603
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:51.160
<v Speaker 3>is always fuzzy. It's kind of like addiction. Right where

604
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.119
<v Speaker 3>are you someone that just likes to drink or is

605
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.000
<v Speaker 3>the drinking impact in your life where you can't be successful,

606
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:58.880
<v Speaker 3>you're not having good relationships, you can't get to work

607
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 3>or school. You know, where is that line? Not everyone

608
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.640
<v Speaker 3>that drinks wine needs to be treated at an addiction center,

609
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.359
<v Speaker 3>but there are some people that go to that level

610
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<v Speaker 3>of the spectrum that they can't handle their consumption of

611
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:14.720
<v Speaker 3>alcohol and need to go be treated. I find addiction

612
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:16.960
<v Speaker 3>one of those things that's almost easier to talk about

613
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.039
<v Speaker 3>than fear and anxiety in society, which is why I

614
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<v Speaker 3>use it as an analogy, because sometimes you know, the

615
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:25.160
<v Speaker 3>brain has gotten to the point where just having these

616
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<v Speaker 3>strategies isn't going to help, and you need to kind

617
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<v Speaker 3>of get to that root of you know, what's it

618
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:32.559
<v Speaker 3>trauma driven? Well, you know what's going on for that

619
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<v Speaker 3>individual person and where that threshold is. It is seriously

620
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<v Speaker 3>just like a person by a.

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<v Speaker 2>Person thing and some of the health effects of fear,

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying sell regeneration, skin, digestive health, like scare me

623
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more about not being scared, you.

624
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:54.759
<v Speaker 3>Know, And it's definitely not in my nature to try

625
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:57.640
<v Speaker 3>and bring the doom and gloom. But when we look

626
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<v Speaker 3>at like more and a research is coming out associating

627
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<v Speaker 3>the way we live our lives and the fear responses

628
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:08.079
<v Speaker 3>and the stress response to these like what we thought

629
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<v Speaker 3>were unrelated like large issues in health. So the top

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<v Speaker 3>killers of humans in the United States is heart disease, stroke,

631
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<v Speaker 3>and cancer. So those are gonna be like your big three,

632
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<v Speaker 3>and they're all associated with stress and fear. Now there's

633
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<v Speaker 3>going to be a like genetic component of it, but

634
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<v Speaker 3>you can't control your genetic component. You can control your

635
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:35.839
<v Speaker 3>stress level and you can control your lifestyle choices. So

636
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:38.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, those are the things you want to focus on.

637
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 3>And just looking at the three, the big three, stroke,

638
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:46.319
<v Speaker 3>heart disease, and cancer, I mean I don't have statistically,

639
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:47.559
<v Speaker 3>but like they kill a lot of people.

640
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I'm going to rattle these off as fast

641
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<v Speaker 2>as I can so no one is too bummed out.

642
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<v Speaker 2>But heart disease is six hundred and thirty thousand deaths

643
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<v Speaker 2>a year. Cancer about six hundred thousand deaths a year

644
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<v Speaker 2>and then lower respiratory diseases one hundred and fifty thousand

645
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<v Speaker 2>a year. So okay, it's afraid of sharks and spiders

646
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.200
<v Speaker 2>and toilet snakes and public speaking, and I guess be

647
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.559
<v Speaker 2>more afraid of ice cream. It's so weird to think

648
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:11.119
<v Speaker 2>that gelato looks like your friend, but it could actually

649
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<v Speaker 2>be your murderer. Like our typical American diet is just

650
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 2>in menacing cahoots with stress and sleep deprivation.

651
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 3>And they're all going to have that component of fear

652
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:26.320
<v Speaker 3>and stress because they are something that is cultivated every day,

653
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, Like cancer is one of those things that

654
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:30.920
<v Speaker 3>lifestyle choices are going to impact it. So it depends.

655
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.199
<v Speaker 3>Cancer is one of those really tricky things to talk about,

656
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:35.679
<v Speaker 3>which is one word because every cancer is very different

657
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.679
<v Speaker 3>and how it behaves and how it's going to come

658
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.039
<v Speaker 3>about in the body. But at the heart of it,

659
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.840
<v Speaker 3>it's a disease of the cell cycle. So during that

660
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:48.199
<v Speaker 3>cellular generation process, something went wrong. The cell is like

661
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<v Speaker 3>chugging along, wanted to do its thing, and something went wrong,

662
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<v Speaker 3>and it starts making cells that it didn't mean to make,

663
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:55.599
<v Speaker 3>and those are going to turn into those cancer cells,

664
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<v Speaker 3>and depending on what type of cancer you're looking at,

665
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.719
<v Speaker 3>they're going to be an impact of how your body's

666
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:05.519
<v Speaker 3>constantly in that stress state and not focusing energy on

667
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:09.840
<v Speaker 3>cellular regeneration and keeping up the housekeeping. So like your

668
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:14.480
<v Speaker 3>cell house is getting super messy because your brain is like, no,

669
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.400
<v Speaker 3>we need to focus all the energy on the stress

670
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:20.840
<v Speaker 3>responses because we think that we're dying all the time,

671
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:23.679
<v Speaker 3>because our body is not meant to be in that

672
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<v Speaker 3>constant state of oh my gosh, we're gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Diem And now I imagine also that must affect immunology

674
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.159
<v Speaker 2>and your immune system's ability to kind of police things

675
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<v Speaker 2>and say, is this you need to send them cells

676
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<v Speaker 2>after this thing?

677
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<v Speaker 3>And well, yeah, I mean the biggest part of your

678
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.400
<v Speaker 3>immunity is contained in your digestive system. So if your

679
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<v Speaker 3>digestive system is not getting any attention because your body's like, sorry,

680
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.800
<v Speaker 3>digestive system, we need to take care of other things.

681
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<v Speaker 3>And then in the in the moments that you do

682
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<v Speaker 3>calm down, a lot of people turn to food to

683
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:57.920
<v Speaker 3>help like get those like happy feelings going. Yeah, so

684
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.800
<v Speaker 3>they're shoving a bunch of food. Usually Nott's like, no,

685
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.239
<v Speaker 3>one stress eats broccoli like I've had such a hard day, baby,

686
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:05.760
<v Speaker 3>I just I need some broccoli before I can talk

687
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:08.719
<v Speaker 3>to you. Literally said, no one ever did.

688
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Some research on this, and I found at least one

689
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 2>person who might argue otherwise. So on September fourteenth, twenty sixteen,

690
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<v Speaker 2>someone on the website twitter dot com with the handle

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<v Speaker 2>blanket person tweeted quote, I think I'm addicted to broccoli.

692
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to fave and retweet this from theologies Twitter

693
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:32.039
<v Speaker 2>and perhaps, just perhaps we can follow up to see

694
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>if he's still struggling with that. Meanwhile, the rest of

695
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:38.519
<v Speaker 2>us tend to make less healthy choices when we numb out.

696
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.719
<v Speaker 3>So what do you do. You go for the sugars,

697
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:43.480
<v Speaker 3>You go for the fads, You go for the crunchy,

698
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:46.400
<v Speaker 3>the things that you probably shouldn't be eating anyway, but

699
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:50.679
<v Speaker 3>you want to get some you know, happy brain chemicals happening,

700
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:53.039
<v Speaker 3>so you're shoving that into your body. Then maybe you

701
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:54.719
<v Speaker 3>go back on your email, you start the whole thing

702
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:58.960
<v Speaker 3>over again, and your body's not really properly digesting things.

703
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:03.840
<v Speaker 3>The bacterial flora in your digestive system isn't, you know,

704
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:07.679
<v Speaker 3>up to par. You can have bacterial die off with stress,

705
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:11.280
<v Speaker 3>which is decreasing your immunity. So it's like a total

706
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<v Speaker 3>body thing.

707
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:13.559
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say also, I think that, like, if

709
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<v Speaker 2>you're going to spend time doing serums and sheet masks,

710
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 2>it's probably also good for your skin to just talk

711
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:25.960
<v Speaker 2>yourself through your fear storms, right, do you know what

712
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean? I have to say when I was meditating more,

713
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.960
<v Speaker 2>people were like, your skin looks amazing, and I was like, oh,

714
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:36.000
<v Speaker 2>and dang, I didn't. I was probably changing my body's

715
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:38.760
<v Speaker 2>priorities a little bit. I'll have to look into that,

716
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.960
<v Speaker 2>all right. I looked into this, and apparently it is

717
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.079
<v Speaker 2>a thing. So being in a constant state of fear

718
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 2>ups your cortisol, which boosts oil production and gives you breakouts.

719
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:54.159
<v Speaker 2>It also boosts sugar levels in the blood, which breaks

720
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.280
<v Speaker 2>down collagen, and that makes your skin look old and

721
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.599
<v Speaker 2>wrinkly and dry. So if people are starting to tell

722
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:02.199
<v Speaker 2>you that you look like your dad and you're like, dude,

723
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:05.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm thirty, or you're missing out on sleep because you're

724
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:08.480
<v Speaker 2>up watching videos about what serums to spend forty six

725
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.000
<v Speaker 2>dollars on. There's so many serums, maybe we should all

726
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.079
<v Speaker 2>just give this meditation thing a good go and just

727
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 2>calm this amygdalah meditation Like it seems kind of annoying

728
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.000
<v Speaker 2>if it's just like hocus focus, But when you look

729
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.239
<v Speaker 2>at it as a brief respite from terror and the

730
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 2>chemical effects of just having like a fire alarm happening

731
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.320
<v Speaker 2>in your brain or body, You're like, yes, sure, Nomas day,

732
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:33.760
<v Speaker 2>let's do this. I mean it is it's cheaper than

733
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:36.559
<v Speaker 2>cheat masks, and it takes way less time per day

734
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.039
<v Speaker 2>than under ice backle and you just you might end

735
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<v Speaker 2>up crying less in airport bathrooms. I'm talking exclusively to

736
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.039
<v Speaker 2>myself on that last one. Courtney Sobieski asks, why do

737
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:50.480
<v Speaker 2>we sometimes rescare ourselves if our minds wander, Like say,

738
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:52.079
<v Speaker 2>I listened to a scary story and then a week later,

739
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.079
<v Speaker 2>as I'm falling asleep, I think about the scary story

740
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and experience the fear reaction all over again, unprompted. Why

741
00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:59.639
<v Speaker 2>does my body do that to me?

742
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.719
<v Speaker 3>She asks, Because we're kind of like masochistic, and we

743
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:05.440
<v Speaker 3>just there's that porst of our brain. Part of it

744
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:09.079
<v Speaker 3>is that we like to dress rehearse tragedy. Yeah, because

745
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:13.880
<v Speaker 3>there's a portion of our dysfunctional mind that thinks that

746
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:17.400
<v Speaker 3>if we just practice enough, we will be prepared, we

747
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:20.920
<v Speaker 3>will be safe. Right, We're constantly looking for safety, and

748
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 3>even though safety really doesn't exist, that we're constantly striving

749
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:30.679
<v Speaker 3>for it. And by dress rehearsing that tragedy, our mind's like, okay, cool,

750
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:32.440
<v Speaker 3>I will be ready. I will be ready, and you

751
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:34.599
<v Speaker 3>keep going back to it. And part of it is

752
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:38.320
<v Speaker 3>we just have this like sick fascination with beating ourselves

753
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:42.079
<v Speaker 3>up or for stuff. I think that's that's never going

754
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 3>to go away, But you definitely can manage it in

755
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:48.079
<v Speaker 3>a way where it stops being so negative on your life,

756
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:50.719
<v Speaker 3>and it's it's going to pop up, especially if you're

757
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.800
<v Speaker 3>someone that naturally goes to those places. It's not like

758
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:57.559
<v Speaker 3>it's going to just magically disappear. But you can turn

759
00:39:57.639 --> 00:39:59.599
<v Speaker 3>down the dial a whole lot to where it's a

760
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:03.639
<v Speaker 3>whisper instead of like blaring in your ear. And you

761
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<v Speaker 3>can't put us on anything else.

762
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<v Speaker 2>A bullhorn of fear just a foghorn, but a foghorn's

763
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<v Speaker 2>the next level man, lighthouse of anxiety. Jim person who

764
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<v Speaker 2>is a wonderful person. I know him personally. Hi, Jim says,

765
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<v Speaker 2>I'm so curious as to the ethical implications in studying fear.

766
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 2>How does one conduct an experiment that requires someone to

767
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:30.440
<v Speaker 2>feel afraid that doesn't also harm them? So do scientists

768
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.840
<v Speaker 2>have to make sure to reinforce the subject's safety after

769
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:36.440
<v Speaker 2>they've made them feel afraid? So how is fear studied

770
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:40.480
<v Speaker 2>in a clinical aspect? How do clinicians do experiments on

771
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:41.440
<v Speaker 2>stress response?

772
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:45.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so fear as like a study is massive, right,

773
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:50.239
<v Speaker 3>if you're going to focus on humans and like more

774
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<v Speaker 3>of the clinical extremes, the outliers of the populations. In

775
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<v Speaker 3>terms of ethics, it depends what ear you're looking at.

776
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:04.360
<v Speaker 3>So you know, pre nineteen eighties not great. Pre nineteen

777
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<v Speaker 3>twenties really not great. Oh the bottomy is yeah, whould

778
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.760
<v Speaker 3>totally did that. And mental health is one of those

779
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.960
<v Speaker 3>things that there's still stigma around mental wellness and mental health.

780
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:17.719
<v Speaker 3>It used to be where people had no rights. If

781
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:21.320
<v Speaker 3>you were like mentally unwell, you were put in asylums,

782
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 3>you were abused. I mean, so, I mean terms of ethics,

783
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:26.840
<v Speaker 3>wasn't a lot of ethics. So it depends on what

784
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:32.000
<v Speaker 3>time period you're looking at. If you're looking at modern studies,

785
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:35.960
<v Speaker 3>it's definitely and if its in a clinical situation and

786
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:40.039
<v Speaker 3>it's United States based. Again, every country's a little bit

787
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<v Speaker 3>different on their laws. Now we have a lot of

788
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<v Speaker 3>protections for patients and their well being, and it's part

789
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:50.119
<v Speaker 3>of the design process before whatever institution or organization you're at,

790
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:55.440
<v Speaker 3>you have to have really really like strong safeguards in

791
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 3>there to be able to have that study approved. So

792
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.719
<v Speaker 3>now it's much more ethical. Usually it's it's partnered with

793
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:05.719
<v Speaker 3>a treatment. Right now, the newest thing, like I was

794
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:08.280
<v Speaker 3>saying before, is is VR and how we can use

795
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:14.000
<v Speaker 3>VR to give some of that experience and exposure therapy,

796
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<v Speaker 3>but in the safest way, because it used to be

797
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:19.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, like, oh'm afraid of spiders. Okay, we're gonna

798
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:20.679
<v Speaker 3>put your hand in a box of spiders. You're like

799
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<v Speaker 3>what most people just even like or not, No, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>just be phrase spiders. That's fine. But with VR, because

801
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:29.039
<v Speaker 3>people know it's quote unquote fake, but it's kind of

802
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:32.480
<v Speaker 3>your brain doesn't know that, your like conscious brain knows that,

803
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.280
<v Speaker 3>but you're you're subconscious brain doesn't, and so they're a

804
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<v Speaker 3>little bit more open to being like, Okay, I'll give

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<v Speaker 3>it a try. Doesn't sound fun, but it doesn't sound

806
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<v Speaker 3>as bad as some other exposure therapy, So it's going

807
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<v Speaker 3>to open a lot more ability to research and just

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<v Speaker 3>asking people, right, humans, Staying humans is hard, So a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of it is asking, Okay, what are your perceptions,

810
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<v Speaker 3>what is your level of fear on spiders before you

811
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<v Speaker 3>went into the VR, what's your level after, and just

812
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<v Speaker 3>really exploring that.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, VR stands for virtual reality, which is

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<v Speaker 2>like those oculous rift like the huge goggles that cover

815
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<v Speaker 2>your face and like an immersive, crazy situation. So I

816
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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to interrupt before, but yeah, that's what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>So virtual spiders may pave the way to calming your

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<v Speaker 2>shit around three dimensional alive ones. And here's a secret.

819
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<v Speaker 2>The alive ones, they usually just they want to hang

820
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<v Speaker 2>out in your shower. They just want to look up

821
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<v Speaker 2>at you. They want to hear you sing. You're like,

822
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<v Speaker 2>they're nude Selene Dion, So do not smear your biggest

823
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<v Speaker 2>fans into a paste with a paper towel.

824
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<v Speaker 3>They love you. There's also some research in the clinical

825
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<v Speaker 3>setting around depression and using really delicate electrical current and

826
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<v Speaker 3>like you know, like outside of the skull, so it

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<v Speaker 3>would be like an in office visit where you'd have

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<v Speaker 3>like little pads and they'd put it, you know, like

829
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<v Speaker 3>on your forehead and whar your skull to kind of

830
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:53.639
<v Speaker 3>like see if they can get away from so much

831
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<v Speaker 3>medication based treatments and start to kind of almost reset

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<v Speaker 3>the electrical currents in your brain. And some people find

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of like you know, therapeutic stuff with that.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's gonna be a lot more research again with

835
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.880
<v Speaker 3>people that are already struggling with that thing and seeing

836
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:11.519
<v Speaker 3>how those treatment options are are helping to impact them,

837
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:13.719
<v Speaker 3>to get them back to like a baseline where they're

838
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:15.760
<v Speaker 3>a higher functioning in that area.

839
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:18.199
<v Speaker 2>So instead of just like going to them all and

840
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:21.159
<v Speaker 2>kidnapping someone and saying I'm gonna show you a bunch

841
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 2>of weapons and see how it's scared you get, it's

842
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:26.079
<v Speaker 2>some of the research is more like, you have a problem, Yeah,

843
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:27.800
<v Speaker 2>come on into this study, let's see if we can

844
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:28.480
<v Speaker 2>help with the problem.

845
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:30.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, and the other kind of aspect, and we've

846
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.079
<v Speaker 3>done this forever. A lot of the biology and physiological

847
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.360
<v Speaker 3>studies are usually done on soldiers because it's a captive audience.

848
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:41.280
<v Speaker 3>You don't really need their permission, and it's crazy, but yeah,

849
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:44.039
<v Speaker 3>there's I mean it's so you know, the ethics have

850
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:47.199
<v Speaker 3>gotten better around that. But in terms of fear, it's

851
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:52.360
<v Speaker 3>very common to study special ops groups or incoming cadets,

852
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:55.320
<v Speaker 3>and because they're you know, they're gonna be in the

853
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 3>same place, they live together. So it's kind of like

854
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.280
<v Speaker 3>in in ecological studies, we love to study islands because

855
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.239
<v Speaker 3>you start to decrease the number of variables. So we

856
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:08.079
<v Speaker 3>study our military a lot, but then you run into

857
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:12.880
<v Speaker 3>the situation of those aren't everyone's experiences. Very few people

858
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:14.559
<v Speaker 3>when you look at the whole population, are ever going

859
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:16.599
<v Speaker 3>to be Navy seals. Like I can't even do a

860
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.199
<v Speaker 3>push up. I could do a plank, but like, I mean,

861
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.880
<v Speaker 3>not even a real push up, So they keep.

862
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Trying to recruit me, and I'm like, you guys, not now,

863
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be in my peak form two three

864
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.760
<v Speaker 2>years from now. Ask me again, paying me then, right.

865
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:35.039
<v Speaker 2>But so we can use them though, maybe to look

866
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.559
<v Speaker 2>at trends or to look at models, and then apply

867
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:41.599
<v Speaker 2>that in once we've refined them into the greater population. Okay,

868
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:45.800
<v Speaker 2>oh that's fascinating. Jessica Guysler wants to know is there

869
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:50.760
<v Speaker 2>a biological advantage to a metaphobia. I haven't been able

870
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.440
<v Speaker 2>to shake it my entire life. I think that is

871
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:57.199
<v Speaker 2>the fear of barfing, because there is a barfing emoji,

872
00:45:57.599 --> 00:45:59.039
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know about that. That might be a

873
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.599
<v Speaker 2>phobic question. I think that's a fear of barfing.

874
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:04.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've never heard of that, but I I mean,

875
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:06.280
<v Speaker 3>if there's a barfing emoji.

876
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes that is. I just looked it up, and

877
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:09.599
<v Speaker 2>it is a fear of barfing. Okay.

878
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:15.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't personally study phobia's, so I would

879
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.159
<v Speaker 3>be hesitant to say if there's I mean, the ability

880
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.480
<v Speaker 3>to vomit is a evolutionary adaptation for survival in and

881
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.840
<v Speaker 3>of itself, of all humans, which is one of the

882
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:26.880
<v Speaker 3>uh I know. I keep coming back to AAR and

883
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.840
<v Speaker 3>VR because I'm actually doing AR and VR work in education,

884
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:33.440
<v Speaker 3>so it's like on my mind. So there is a

885
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, as they're continuing to develop VR is that

886
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:41.960
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people getnauxious from it. And that's because

887
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:46.000
<v Speaker 3>when our body has perceived that something is making like

888
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:50.360
<v Speaker 3>our ability to see things correctly, it assumes that it's

889
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:53.320
<v Speaker 3>like something we've eaten that's bad. So our body is like,

890
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:57.679
<v Speaker 3>oh no, we've been poisoned eject you know, stomach context, right,

891
00:46:57.880 --> 00:46:59.519
<v Speaker 3>this is why, like if you put someone else's glasses

892
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 3>on that they will make you like oh, like yeah,

893
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:03.400
<v Speaker 3>it starts to make you dizzy or nauseous, or if

894
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:07.480
<v Speaker 3>your glasses aren't quite more than need to be. So

895
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:12.800
<v Speaker 3>it could be like something you know, over developed in

896
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:14.719
<v Speaker 3>that area, because I mean, it is a way that

897
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.760
<v Speaker 3>if we have eaten something bad, our body can purge it.

898
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:20.760
<v Speaker 3>But I've had a guess. My two cent answer.

899
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that nuts? So the little fluid filled tubes in

900
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:28.559
<v Speaker 2>your ears are like, Okay, I'm sensing motion. Yep, that

901
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:30.880
<v Speaker 2>was a corner. We're moving, Holy shit. And your body's

902
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:32.599
<v Speaker 2>like no, no, no, no, no dude, I'm just sitting here in

903
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.519
<v Speaker 2>the seat. I'm not even moving my legs or anything.

904
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.000
<v Speaker 2>So they have a meeting about it, and the consensus

905
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:42.320
<v Speaker 2>is we're hallucinating. We've eaten moldy garbage. We're hallucinating. Let's barf.

906
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.360
<v Speaker 2>So okay, this is not an episode on Phobia's but Jessica,

907
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:47.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to leave you hanging. So I did

908
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.440
<v Speaker 2>look it up and one method of getting over it

909
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 2>involves confronting the fear head on and then abstaining from

910
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:56.639
<v Speaker 2>any rituals that you might do to avoid it, like

911
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:59.960
<v Speaker 2>running away or praying for the apocalypse. This kind of

912
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:06.440
<v Speaker 2>therapy is called exposure and response prevention aka ERP or ERP,

913
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:11.199
<v Speaker 2>which is coincidentally the noise I made before unpoisoning myself

914
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:14.119
<v Speaker 2>over my snake basin when I last had the stomach flu.

915
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:16.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how the exposure part works, by the way,

916
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:18.480
<v Speaker 2>but maybe they just take you to a spring break party.

917
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Let me know how it goes. Dane Goding wants to

918
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:25.639
<v Speaker 2>know does your body have the same chemical and autonomic

919
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:28.519
<v Speaker 2>reactions to fear when you're asleep and having a nightmare

920
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 2>as it does when you're awake and conscious, So.

921
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:34.960
<v Speaker 3>The fear in stress response system is the same all

922
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:40.039
<v Speaker 3>the time. Oh, when we're asleep, our body has created

923
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:42.679
<v Speaker 3>a system to essentially paralyze us, so we don't act

924
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.639
<v Speaker 3>out our dreams, which is good for our bed partners,

925
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:49.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, like right, but we still have the physiological system.

926
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.440
<v Speaker 3>So like if you have like a really vivid nightmare

927
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.079
<v Speaker 3>and you wake up and you're like you're probably sweating, right,

928
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Speaker 3>and you feel like you've been running, and like it

929
00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:58.599
<v Speaker 3>takes you a second to figure out that it was

930
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.679
<v Speaker 3>just a dream. Our body is still having that physiological response,

931
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:06.159
<v Speaker 3>but because we're in sleep, we also have that kind

932
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:11.039
<v Speaker 3>of protective sheath of sleep that is preventing us from

933
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:15.400
<v Speaker 3>acting out our dreams. Now, sometimes people don't always have

934
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.039
<v Speaker 3>that strong of sheath, and that's why you can have

935
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:20.079
<v Speaker 3>like night terrors, or if you are taking a sleeping

936
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:22.880
<v Speaker 3>pill like ambient. This is why sometimes people will have

937
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, get up and drive a car or do

938
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:28.719
<v Speaker 3>things on sleep medication. So it doesn't always work, but

939
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:31.440
<v Speaker 3>that's usually why we wake up and we haven't like

940
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.079
<v Speaker 3>pummeled our bed partner, but we're all like sweaty and

941
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:36.719
<v Speaker 3>out of breath. Ah, that's so nuts.

942
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Anna Marie says, I have chronic night terrors. I had

943
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.400
<v Speaker 2>chronic night ters as a child, and I still have

944
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Speaker 2>them occasionally as a thirty five year old. This is

945
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:46.079
<v Speaker 2>something that ever fully goes away.

946
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:49.880
<v Speaker 3>That's probably give me like a person by person basis.

947
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:52.079
<v Speaker 3>So usually night terrors are going to be like really

948
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:56.440
<v Speaker 3>extreme nightmares and they're recurring generally, you know, they could

949
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:59.000
<v Speaker 3>be associated with the trauma, like they're reliving that trauma

950
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:03.199
<v Speaker 3>because they haven't like fully like dealt with it. It

951
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:05.840
<v Speaker 3>could just be something that their psyche is trying to

952
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:09.920
<v Speaker 3>like act out and express in their dream state. So

953
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's kind of I don't think that anyone

954
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:15.840
<v Speaker 3>has one answer that fits all humans. Yeah, it also

955
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:20.400
<v Speaker 3>kind of probably depends on what they're doing to address it, right,

956
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.360
<v Speaker 3>Like are they getting professional therapy where they're able to say, like, oh,

957
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.920
<v Speaker 3>this is happening, and you know, oh, maybe this is why,

958
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:27.920
<v Speaker 3>or maybe you could address this kind of thing, or

959
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:33.079
<v Speaker 3>or they you know, just numbing it out with particular substances,

960
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:34.920
<v Speaker 3>or they just ignoring it. So I think it also

961
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:38.119
<v Speaker 3>depends on what that like individual or any individual is

962
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:40.000
<v Speaker 3>doing to kind of address.

963
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:42.280
<v Speaker 2>It's good, that's a good answer. Side note, I just

964
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.239
<v Speaker 2>watched a bunch of videos on YouTube about night terrors

965
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:48.039
<v Speaker 2>and I don't recommend it, although I do have to

966
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:52.199
<v Speaker 2>give credit to Britain for making sympathetic TV shows exploring

967
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.840
<v Speaker 2>these really frightening medical topics, such as their program titled

968
00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:00.760
<v Speaker 2>quote Embarrassing Bodies. Is there anything embarrassing or challenging about

969
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Mary's job? What is the crappiest thing about your job?

970
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:06.599
<v Speaker 2>What is the hardest thing, what is the most annoying thing.

971
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:11.519
<v Speaker 2>Is it scheduling? Is it having to look at your

972
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:15.840
<v Speaker 2>own internal working? It's like, what's the is it email taxes?

973
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:20.119
<v Speaker 3>I would say, like I mean about my like professional job.

974
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:25.880
<v Speaker 3>It's constantly dealing with like imposter syndrome of being what

975
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:29.559
<v Speaker 3>I do is so weird and so interdisciplinary that I'm

976
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:33.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, specifically trained with in you know, have graduate

977
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:39.639
<v Speaker 3>degrees in biology, my science communication master'ses from Imperial College

978
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:43.119
<v Speaker 3>and those make me feel good about what I'm saying

979
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:46.239
<v Speaker 3>for about five seconds and then you know, it's it's

980
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:50.000
<v Speaker 3>one of those things that because it's so weird, I

981
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.320
<v Speaker 3>feel like, oh I'm not I'm not good enough to

982
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:54.960
<v Speaker 3>do these things, or like who am I to you know,

983
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.119
<v Speaker 3>like have this share this knowledge and stuff. And and

984
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.159
<v Speaker 3>that's why I'm always really really careful to say like

985
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:04.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm not a clinical psychologist. I don't see clients or patients,

986
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.280
<v Speaker 3>so that people know, like I'm I am getting this

987
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:12.239
<v Speaker 3>stuff from some of my own research, but also research

988
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:18.880
<v Speaker 3>in the literature, and that just continuing to convince myself

989
00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:22.239
<v Speaker 3>that this work is important because other people will have

990
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:26.519
<v Speaker 3>value from it. That's a constant conversation for me because

991
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:30.000
<v Speaker 3>I think it's you know it's so much easier. I've

992
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:32.559
<v Speaker 3>been teaching at Santa se State University. This is my

993
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.519
<v Speaker 3>eleventh year now, and I could just I can continue

994
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:39.239
<v Speaker 3>doing exactly only that role until I retire, and it'd

995
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:42.039
<v Speaker 3>be safe and be comfortable. And I mean, I know

996
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:43.920
<v Speaker 3>that I'm a good teacher. I feel confident it because

997
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing it for eleven years. But that's not going

998
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.280
<v Speaker 3>to ever allow me to grow. And if I want

999
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:53.679
<v Speaker 3>to experience the world in a in a greater, more

1000
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:56.519
<v Speaker 3>colorful way, then I have to do the things that

1001
00:52:56.559 --> 00:53:02.840
<v Speaker 3>scare me, and that means constantly pushing the like boundaries

1002
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:05.679
<v Speaker 3>of my own personal boundaries. And I also do a

1003
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:09.119
<v Speaker 3>lot of like public speaking, and every time, you know,

1004
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:11.599
<v Speaker 3>like before I go on stage, I'm just like on

1005
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:13.480
<v Speaker 3>the text with my friends, like oh my god, oh

1006
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:16.159
<v Speaker 3>my god, I'm gonna die, Like okay, like at what

1007
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:18.679
<v Speaker 3>point do you stop being freaked out by like a

1008
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:21.519
<v Speaker 3>really big talk? And maybe that's never right, but I

1009
00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:23.719
<v Speaker 3>always feel really good coming off stage. I feel really

1010
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:27.360
<v Speaker 3>good having that ability to connect with people and they

1011
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:31.159
<v Speaker 3>find value in in these tips and tricks that they

1012
00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:33.880
<v Speaker 3>can then apply to their lives and and for me

1013
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:38.440
<v Speaker 3>having that as like a bigger goal helps with the

1014
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:43.000
<v Speaker 3>imposter syndrome. But I think I think everyone you know,

1015
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:45.960
<v Speaker 3>like rolls with that of.

1016
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Like so many people, it's amazing, and people that you would.

1017
00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:52.079
<v Speaker 3>Be like, you have a brother, you're the book.

1018
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:56.360
<v Speaker 2>You make me have imposters, You're so amazing. So yeah,

1019
00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:58.840
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know. I I talk to the in

1020
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.400
<v Speaker 2>the gynecology episode of about that, to the gynecologist who

1021
00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:04.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't feel comfortable saying she was a doctor for a while,

1022
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:10.119
<v Speaker 2>and how the imposter syndrome is more prevalent in people

1023
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:14.880
<v Speaker 2>who are capable and intelligence, which is so annoying because

1024
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.800
<v Speaker 2>you're like, so if you have imposter syndrome, chances are

1025
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:19.280
<v Speaker 2>you don't need to have it. That's there, you go,

1026
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I fixed it. What's your favorite part about what you do?

1027
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:29.079
<v Speaker 3>I think that it allows me to have I've taken

1028
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:31.559
<v Speaker 3>a long time to craft a lifestyle that is really

1029
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:36.360
<v Speaker 3>fairal where I'm a full digital nomad. I do everything

1030
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:41.599
<v Speaker 3>on a weird schedule. I'm constantly traveling, and I love

1031
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:44.599
<v Speaker 3>that lifestyle of not being in a tiny box and

1032
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.920
<v Speaker 3>not having a time to like, you know, punch the clock.

1033
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:54.199
<v Speaker 3>And that's something that I've really been able to find

1034
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:57.079
<v Speaker 3>a lot of joy in that I could pare my

1035
00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:01.719
<v Speaker 3>research and my science can munication and my teaching and

1036
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:03.880
<v Speaker 3>my love of travel and put all those things together

1037
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:09.800
<v Speaker 3>is just you know, like really really special and I'm

1038
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:12.719
<v Speaker 3>very privileged to be able to do that of you know,

1039
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<v Speaker 3>posting the like here's my office today with my laptop

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<v Speaker 3>on the beach right, and it's it's such a unique

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<v Speaker 3>experience that there's not all the jobs in the world

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<v Speaker 3>that you could do that. So so really lucky that

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<v Speaker 3>I can pull all these things in. Everything I do

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<v Speaker 3>has been driven by my interests, which is also a privilege.

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<v Speaker 3>Oft times, you know, people are in jobs they're like

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<v Speaker 3>the reason why they're unhappy is because they have no

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<v Speaker 3>interest in what they're doing. Where I do this because

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. That means I don't have a distinct

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<v Speaker 3>off switch. Yeah, it's you know, it's a lifestyle, not

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00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.960
<v Speaker 3>a job that you clock in and clock out of.

1051
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<v Speaker 3>My mind's always thinking about things, you know, like writing

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<v Speaker 3>down stories that would be good to tell on stage.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking about how I can do an activity in

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<v Speaker 3>a workshop. So that's not for everyone. Yeah, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people want to just like leave it at the office,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, since my office is the planet. It there's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, but it's such a privilege to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny too, because that was one of your mother's

1060
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<v Speaker 2>greatest fears, and that was one of your greatest fears,

1061
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:21.000
<v Speaker 2>is leaving home, and that's one of your greatest joys.

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<v Speaker 3>Now run towards your fear.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is amazing. It almost makes it makes me

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<v Speaker 2>want to write down what I am most afraid of

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<v Speaker 2>and really examine it differently, because I think that I

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<v Speaker 2>just let fear kind of knock on my door, and

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<v Speaker 2>who is it come in? And for my life? You

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? Like, I don't really I don't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily like run toward the things that that might be

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<v Speaker 2>scary and kind of get over them. So that's really inspiring.

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell you that you do not have any

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<v Speaker 2>of the marketings of an imposter. I think you are

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<v Speaker 2>very good at what you do. Please take that throw

1074
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<v Speaker 2>it into the ocean. You're amazing. Thank you for letting

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<v Speaker 2>me talk to you. This is the longest interview I've

1076
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<v Speaker 2>ever done because I cannot asking you questions. You are amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so so much for me on.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, you're so so welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>So for more about Marypoffinroth if you haven't already gingerly

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<v Speaker 2>begun stocking her. Her website is Marypoffanroth dot com. She's

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<v Speaker 2>Marypoffinroth on Twitter and Facebook and on Instagram. She's fear forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Now to follow Ologies, We're at Ologies on Twitter and

1083
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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram. We're on patreon dot com slash Ologies if

1084
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<v Speaker 2>you'd like some perks there, like submitting your questions to

1085
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:34.599
<v Speaker 2>ologists and seeing photos and videos. You can also fund

1086
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:38.679
<v Speaker 2>the podcast and cover your body at ologiesmerch dot com,

1087
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:41.239
<v Speaker 2>which was just updated by Bonnie Dutch. We have some

1088
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<v Speaker 2>new pin designs up by Shannon Feltis. Thank you both

1089
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<v Speaker 2>for that. You can join up on Facebook on the

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<v Speaker 2>Ologies podcast group. Thank you, Hannahlippo Esquire she just passed

1091
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<v Speaker 2>the bar. And Aaron Talbert for admitting for your ole pop.

1092
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<v Speaker 2>And thank you to Stephen Ray Morris for editing and

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<v Speaker 2>cutting this all up and putting it back together for

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<v Speaker 2>me every week. You're the best. The music was written

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<v Speaker 2>and performed by Nick Thorburn of the band Islands. You

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<v Speaker 2>should check them out. And you know what, Okay, I

1097
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<v Speaker 2>have an idea. What if you ask smart people dumb questions,

1098
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<v Speaker 2>because thinking the questions are dumb is actually a fictional fear.

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<v Speaker 2>No questions are dumb. I just say that so that

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<v Speaker 2>you don't judge yourself. Okay, so if you hang through

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<v Speaker 2>the credits, you know I tell secrets the end of

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<v Speaker 2>every episode, and this one I thought i'd stay on brand.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote this on an airplane somewhere over Tennessee, just

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<v Speaker 2>tippity tapping away. So I thought i'd make a list

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<v Speaker 2>of my fears and tell you what they are. One

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<v Speaker 2>getting divorced, which is probably why I've never gotten married.

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<v Speaker 2>Two mismanaging money, so I'm so afraid of overspending my

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<v Speaker 2>money like an idiot, or like mc hammer did in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen nineties. God bless them that. I just never

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<v Speaker 2>buy myself shoes or clothes, so I could probably change

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<v Speaker 2>that and live a little. Another fear teeth falling out.

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<v Speaker 2>You know those dreams where your teeth fall out. I

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<v Speaker 2>do not want that, irl, which also reminds me I'm

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<v Speaker 2>out of dental flus. So okay, everyone, let's read up

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<v Speaker 2>on I don't know, retirement accounts and maybe treat yourself

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<v Speaker 2>to some shoes on sale, and let's practice good oral hygiene.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you may end up making a list of

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<v Speaker 2>things that have been nagging at you. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 2>are some things we can't change, like the death of

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<v Speaker 2>people we love or just the inevitable. Our butts are

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<v Speaker 2>going to get droopy, but we can say to ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>that I'll live that sorrow when it comes. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>pre grieve anything. You can only enjoy what you have

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<v Speaker 2>right now and deal with the fears that you have

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<v Speaker 2>and you can do something about so I hope that helps.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you go out and do the things you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do. Okay, bye bye pacodermatology, homeology or doo zoology, lithology, minology, meteorology, pology, anthology, zeriology, elinology.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the song that probably