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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy and my name's Jonathan. I'm Jacob, and today
Speaker 2: we bring back your boy Matty Ice. Welcome back to
Speaker 2: the Cult. Brother.
Speaker 3: What's going on, guys?
Speaker 2: It has been a minute. We were looking back and
Speaker 2: this I believe is your sixth time coming on to
Speaker 2: this show, and the last time you were on was
Speaker 2: back in January, so it's been a little while. Dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was almost gonna go back and listen to
Speaker 3: that because I think I made a prediction on your
Speaker 3: show that came true.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, that's probably correct. And when things
Speaker 1: started going down with old Donnie t right, there was
Speaker 1: a there was a big fiasco and Butler, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you may have heard about it, right, And then there's
Speaker 1: a big debate that's going on, and me and Jonathan
Speaker 1: I've been saying, bro, we got to get Maddy Ice
Speaker 1: back on because I know for a fact that he
Speaker 1: has not only two cents to throw in on the matter.
Speaker 1: I guarantee the man's got a cork which strings abounding
Speaker 1: on this situation. So I am glad that we got
Speaker 1: you back when we did how we did, because everything
Speaker 1: is ramping up right now. So brother, I can't wait
Speaker 1: to hear what you've discovered.
Speaker 3: Well back in January, I said that you know, they're
Speaker 3: gonna be fighting through you know, winter into spring, and
Speaker 3: then there's gonna be an event in June or July
Speaker 3: that takes us through the summer and then we're gonna
Speaker 3: have World War three happen, or you know, ramp up
Speaker 3: and go into the election. And of course that's when
Speaker 3: good old Donnie got shot at. That's right, dumbest the
Speaker 3: theory I've heard about that is that he staged it,
Speaker 3: like to create more popularity or buzz around him, or
Speaker 3: make him look better in the moment.
Speaker 1: In the moment, I understand why the conspiracy heads would
Speaker 1: think this okay, because we can.
Speaker 3: Never just see somebody shooting at your face.
Speaker 1: Right, And I agree with that. But hold on, hear
Speaker 1: me out. Hear me out, Indy. I'm talking within the
Speaker 1: initial I mean, the first five days of it going down. Right,
Speaker 1: there's a million theories as to what is and is
Speaker 1: not the truth. No information was coming out. Head of
Speaker 1: the Secret Service was just just stonewalling because I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'll have to find out. So people were just coming
Speaker 1: up with the wildest shit. That theory that he staged
Speaker 1: it in some way, shape or form. I heard so
Speaker 1: many spin offs of that one. He had a little
Speaker 1: thing in his ear that was set to go off
Speaker 1: and make it look like he got shot, but in
Speaker 1: reality he didn't. Heard Oh no, no, right, he got
Speaker 1: the world's best sniper that he trusted to take that shot.
Speaker 1: And there was so many theories. But I have to
Speaker 1: agree with you, Maddie. I think there's no way he
Speaker 1: staged that on himself because there's too many confirmed things
Speaker 1: about the shot that actually was taken, not the alleged
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. The theory kind of crumbled
Speaker 1: under its own weight pretty quickly. But I know, and
Speaker 1: I understand why in the first people said things.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I just to put in my you know,
Speaker 2: because I know that we cover like such a wide
Speaker 2: vast cast of possible theories over here. So you know what,
Speaker 2: I think that I want to uh, maybe input my
Speaker 2: own here. Something that I've really been brewing on, and
Speaker 2: that is, well, we have electro Nick always talking about
Speaker 2: how maybe it was a Pleaadian thing. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's Palladian, but maybe. I mean, who's to say
Speaker 2: that it wouldn't be some kind of alien interference in
Speaker 2: some kind of way, because if you think about it,
Speaker 2: like Trump was the one that said, oh yeah, there's
Speaker 2: definitely aliens, and if he has, who's to say that,
Speaker 2: you know, he didn't have some help right there. I mean,
Speaker 2: whenever he said that, it was like kind of miraculous
Speaker 2: that he moved his head at just the right time.
Speaker 1: Which it was.
Speaker 2: I don't know, dude, I'm just saying, and it helped
Speaker 2: him out big time. Like it a lot of people
Speaker 2: are like, yo, motherfucker got shot at like while trying
Speaker 2: to be president. It's on some thug shit and and
Speaker 2: I don't know, dude, I just I wonder if there's
Speaker 2: some kind of divine or et you know, inter interference
Speaker 2: here in a good way.
Speaker 3: Well, he created face space Force to stop time travelers
Speaker 3: from creating portals in outer space and traveling through them.
Speaker 1: All right, So we are going immediately into the deep, Maddie,
Speaker 1: I fucking love you. Let's go break it down for me, dog.
Speaker 3: That's it, like the CIA has come out. Wow. It
Speaker 3: was more of a jokey, jokey thing where somebody asked
Speaker 3: a CIA analyst on a in an interview, what are
Speaker 3: what's up with all of the UFOs or UAPs, and
Speaker 3: he's like, those are not extraterrestrials you're seeing those are
Speaker 3: time travelers from the future coming back to us.
Speaker 2: That's quite possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was a jokey, jokey thing. It
Speaker 3: was that girl on TikTok who her dad is a
Speaker 3: CIA operative or a retired CIA operative, and then she
Speaker 3: had an analyst that she was asking questions about random
Speaker 3: stuff too. But yeah, I think it was a joke.
Speaker 3: But I think it's also kind of true because we
Speaker 3: all do that. It's like, oh, yeah, I d's the truth.
Speaker 3: I actually did that. And when you actually did, just
Speaker 3: to make sure people don't actually think it was you
Speaker 3: kind of like gaslighting them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, oh Epstein, sure
Speaker 2: he was trafficking children for their Adrina chrome, right, or
Speaker 2: sure nine to eleven was an inside job, right? Like
Speaker 2: these things and I think that, you know, if you
Speaker 2: really think about it, And I'm not saying that this
Speaker 2: CIA guy has any kind of intention with his words,
Speaker 2: although I'm sure they're absolutely trained in neurolinguistic programming and
Speaker 2: how to speak correctly and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But if you really think about it, like if you
Speaker 2: follow the playbook of the elites, the illuminati, the dark side,
Speaker 2: the cabal, the whatever you want to call, they absolutely
Speaker 2: have to get the truth out there in some way.
Speaker 2: And if they just so happened to portray it as
Speaker 2: a joke even though they're getting the truth out there,
Speaker 2: then that karma doesn't turn around and bite them in
Speaker 2: the ass. So in their mind, hey, we didn't fool anybody.
Speaker 2: We told you you know exactly.
Speaker 1: So all right, break it down for me. Now, the assassination,
Speaker 1: you're saying the first theories that came out was that
Speaker 1: he staged on himself. Obviously, you look at it long enough,
Speaker 1: most people can tell that that wasn't the case. So
Speaker 1: what do you think really transpired that day? How do
Speaker 1: you think that played into the puzzle piece or the
Speaker 1: domino effect of all that has come since. Break it
Speaker 1: all down.
Speaker 3: For me, bro I'm it's difficult to assess. I know
Speaker 3: we've had a little bit of time, but well we
Speaker 3: also don't know what is factual information and what's just speculation.
Speaker 1: Right, we're going off the best information we have currently,
Speaker 1: which to be you know, what information is it that
Speaker 1: we have?
Speaker 3: Granted, everything was set up for him to for mister
Speaker 3: what's his name, Matthew Crooks to get up on that
Speaker 3: roof and to stay up on that roof. They weren't
Speaker 3: given the go ahead to take him out until after
Speaker 3: he had taken a few shots. And there are apparently
Speaker 3: the FBI couldn't get into his phone for a number
Speaker 3: of days, and then a private company was able to
Speaker 3: hack his phone when they didn't even have it and
Speaker 3: said that there were text messages from somebody saying that
Speaker 3: they're looking at our card, or they know we're here,
Speaker 3: or they're looking for us, or something of that nature.
Speaker 3: So there may have been a second wan of the assassin,
Speaker 3: and they're the fact that he's connected to Blackrock. There's
Speaker 3: a cell phone ping GPS records from somebody that was
Speaker 3: near an FBI building making a lot of trips to
Speaker 3: his house and Butler. There's also another one from I
Speaker 3: guess it's somewhere in New England or maybe New York.
Speaker 3: I can't remember which, but somebody else that was connected
Speaker 3: to the FBI or the NSA was doing that as well.
Speaker 1: Do you know anything about the nine cell phones that
Speaker 1: were found at his house that had all been painted
Speaker 1: a certain building that has like twenty different offices of
Speaker 1: different three letter agencies And it's so basically this kid,
Speaker 1: for like a month and a half, was just back
Speaker 1: and forth back and forth to this building with all
Speaker 1: these government agencies offices there. Do you know any information
Speaker 1: about this?
Speaker 3: I mean, I've heard it all, but it's all gonna
Speaker 3: be SCIOs, misdirection and lies.
Speaker 1: Got you.
Speaker 3: I don't know who actually ordered it, or it could
Speaker 3: have been anybody. It could have been the CIA, It
Speaker 3: could have been the the Democratic Party, It could have
Speaker 3: been people in his own party. It could have been anybody.
Speaker 3: But it definitely wasn't the military. It definitely wasn't a
Speaker 3: train sniper. It was somebody that knew nothing of when died, trajectory,
Speaker 3: velocity two, two, three, round or anything.
Speaker 1: No, this your boy, Thomas Matthew Crooks, if he was
Speaker 1: the one that took the shot, because I know there's
Speaker 1: a whole list of conjecture to say he wasn't even
Speaker 1: the only shooter and bupa bup, I don't know. But
Speaker 1: assuming that she was.
Speaker 3: A sniper fires from cover.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I said shooter, not sniper, right, So
Speaker 1: he taking a shot for sure? This guy was not
Speaker 1: some sort of a trained operative by any stretch of
Speaker 1: the imagination. Even if he was, I would have taken
Speaker 1: that if he was, if he had used a proper
Speaker 1: rifle for that shot, I could accept all the other
Speaker 1: shit if you would have actually used a man's weapon,
Speaker 1: not an AR But whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, if you really think about it, you're saying that
Speaker 2: he wasn't trained, Well, exactly what do you mean by
Speaker 2: he might not have been trained? Because he could have
Speaker 2: been trained in another way? And I actually like to
Speaker 2: associate this.
Speaker 3: With his high school shooting team, So he had experienced shooting.
Speaker 3: He just wasn't good.
Speaker 1: I was told he couldn't even make the team. He
Speaker 1: got kicked out at tryouts because he was so bad,
Speaker 1: or did he actually make the team?
Speaker 2: Well, where I'm going with it, though, is that who's
Speaker 2: to say that he wasn't trained by the same people
Speaker 2: that if you're somebody who questions a lot of the
Speaker 2: school shootings. I'm not saying that school shootings are fake
Speaker 2: and possibly gay, I am saying, but what I am
Speaker 2: saying is that if that all is a setup, and
Speaker 2: all of those people are groomed in mk ultrad in
Speaker 2: order to be some kind of sleeper sell in order
Speaker 2: to push a specific agenda, to be able to ban
Speaker 2: just what he used, which was an assault rifle. Just
Speaker 2: throwing that out there, a rifle, that's what they say.
Speaker 2: That's that's the fucking you know, that's the talking points.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, very coincidental how this matches every single
Speaker 2: school shooting like experience, right like, because you know, poor,
Speaker 2: not poor, but like kind of deranged white kid, probably
Speaker 2: not a lot of friends, probably a little depressed, maybe
Speaker 2: a little anxiety, climbs up on top of this fucking roof. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the cops and the patrolman all knew that he was
Speaker 2: going up there, because there were people in the crowd
Speaker 2: that were saying, hey, whoa this guy literally like he
Speaker 2: has a ladder and you're just gonna let him get
Speaker 2: up on top of this building. This was absolutely some
Speaker 2: kind of, in my opinion, some kind of school shooting,
Speaker 2: except for replace the word school with your boy Trump.
Speaker 2: That's what I think.
Speaker 1: High stakes, higher stakes to it. But same old song
Speaker 1: and dance we've seen a time or two. I feel that.
Speaker 2: And the fact that he was able to get so close.
Speaker 2: I mean he did nick him in the ear. That's
Speaker 2: not like a terrible shot.
Speaker 3: Hey, he pulled it a little bit.
Speaker 2: But I mean, but what was the distance? The distance
Speaker 2: wasn't automatic.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's that's even for to my point. You
Speaker 1: know what, Fine, there wasn't a bad shot. It was
Speaker 1: only one hundred and fifty yards away. And I mean
Speaker 1: most basically trained privates from any boot camp could make
Speaker 1: that shot. Fine, Fine, yes, cool, And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like dead center and the Okay, he missed by literally
Speaker 1: two centimeters given a little bit of air on that fine,
Speaker 1: Fine the weapon that he used, and fine, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'll even take away my own hatred of the ar platform.
Speaker 1: There are better made ars that have a smaller MOA.
Speaker 1: And what that means is basically, if you were to
Speaker 1: take three shots the rifle in a robotic arm to
Speaker 1: where it's not moving, pop pop pop, the MOA on
Speaker 1: the rifle he was using was like three inches, meaning
Speaker 1: that at a one hundred yards you have about a
Speaker 1: three inch diameter circle where there's bullets might hit. There
Speaker 1: was using exactly. There was better rounds, there's better ars
Speaker 1: he could have used to make that moa more like
Speaker 1: a one moa, a one inch circle of where you
Speaker 1: could have hit. That's what I'm saying. He didn't have
Speaker 1: like years and years of scout sniper training and Khille
Speaker 1: suits and firing from cover heat. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Your point, Jonathan, right, but crash course.
Speaker 2: Sure, but check this out though, But check it out
Speaker 2: if you're trying to not make it seem blatantly obvious,
Speaker 2: wouldn't you give him kind of a bullshit gun. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that they as a bullshit gun accomplished.
Speaker 1: The mission or not. You know how, if you want
Speaker 1: him to just be the.
Speaker 2: Fall guy, yeah, they did that well, right, But ultimately
Speaker 2: they knew that he was going to get assassinated. He
Speaker 2: was a fucking sitting duck up there, right, So it
Speaker 2: was inevitable that this was going to be this guy's
Speaker 2: last breaths regardless he was going to get found out
Speaker 2: if it was indeed, Thomas Matthew Crooks, which you know,
Speaker 2: there's speculation over there. Some people even speculate that there
Speaker 2: could have been as many as three or four different shooters.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I some people, you know, they they
Speaker 2: believe that that's absolutely true. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: I think all you need is one.
Speaker 3: When when you're talking about MK Ultra, the thing I well,
Speaker 3: the rabbit hole that I kind of went down and
Speaker 3: I was trying to I was trying to prove my
Speaker 3: own bias, which you know, you got to look at
Speaker 3: all ends of the spectrum though all of I don't
Speaker 3: know if all, but most of the mass shooters, school shooters,
Speaker 3: and Matthew Thomas Crooks were on SSRIs, which are antidepressants.
Speaker 3: Antidepressants were not as common until the nineteen seventies. Then
Speaker 3: we have psychologists and doctors putting massive amounts of people
Speaker 3: on these SSRIs or serotonin receptors and inhibitors, and then
Speaker 3: it grows exponentially until the nineties, like three hundred percent
Speaker 3: greater or more people are on these SSRIs, and we
Speaker 3: see an influx of mass shootings from the nineties until now.
Speaker 3: And we also have the can't remember what the patent's
Speaker 3: called but basically it's using electronics for mind control, or
Speaker 3: at least to insert an idea into somebody's head with
Speaker 3: different tones, frequencies, and subliminal messages. But even though they
Speaker 3: do have that, and maybe serotonin receptors inhibitors make it
Speaker 3: easier for that stuff to take effect, it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 3: mean that those people that committed these acts were mk
Speaker 3: ultrade in that way, because if obviously somebody that would
Speaker 3: do something like that has obvious mental issues, and if
Speaker 3: they have mental issues, they're going to need medication. So
Speaker 3: that kind of is where my argument fell through. But
Speaker 3: he was on SSRIs, he did have a history of
Speaker 3: mental illness, and he was making trips back and forth
Speaker 3: to FBI buildings and the like.
Speaker 2: It's crazy shit, dude, Like it just seems very and
Speaker 2: I get it. That's why so many people believe that
Speaker 2: this may have been some kind of setup job. Now,
Speaker 2: the thing is is that those same people that are
Speaker 2: saying that, well, Trump was probably the one that orchestrated it.
Speaker 2: If he would have gotten taken out by that bullet.
Speaker 2: Nobody's saying that. Nobody is saying Trump orchestrated that.
Speaker 3: The vapor trail of a bullet going right by his head,
Speaker 3: so we know there was there were actually shots fired
Speaker 3: at him. And I don't care how good your shooter
Speaker 3: is or how good your you know, team is. You
Speaker 3: don't you never shoot at yourself, like you don't have
Speaker 3: somebody shoot at you. Right, There's so many things that
Speaker 3: could go wrong.
Speaker 1: People metaphorically say I'm so crazy, I like to burn
Speaker 1: the bridge while I'm still standing on it. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: like a figure of speech, y'all. Nobody's like I'm so crazy.
Speaker 1: I try to assessinate myself, like, no, that's not a
Speaker 1: real thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't on some Viking levels ship where you're
Speaker 2: burning the burning the ships. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: It's not that so but the.
Speaker 3: Best theory I heard. I mean, there's all those videos
Speaker 3: of something possibly on the water tower.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you what you thought about the
Speaker 1: water tower. Was that a shadow? Was that a person?
Speaker 1: Was it a bird?
Speaker 3: There's no way to tell. But what was his Senator Cruz,
Speaker 3: I guess no, No, Senator Kennedy said, was it a
Speaker 3: murder hornet? Was it saslatch?
Speaker 1: I fuck with Senator Kennedy. All right, I'm sure that
Speaker 1: sooner or later it's gonna come out that he's been
Speaker 1: taking money from somebody and he's evil just like the
Speaker 1: rest of them. But dude, he gives no fucks when
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 3: I love his What state is he?
Speaker 2: Probably Louisiana? Louisiana?
Speaker 3: Was it a murder hornet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the one that was saying does your app
Speaker 1: still suck? Does your huser interface still stuck?
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, yeah, he's He's the one
Speaker 2: one that was telling people that they need to lock
Speaker 2: their doors. Remember after the uh what was it the
Speaker 2: Miami Alien mall shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another thing. I mean, we're in the deep
Speaker 3: fake era, so we never know if anything that we're
Speaker 3: looking at is real. So the thing on the water
Speaker 3: tower could just be somebody messing with a camera. The
Speaker 3: stuff in Miami that could all be CGI. But there's
Speaker 3: still something happened in Miami, and something happened in Butler.
Speaker 3: But I doubt that somebody would choose that vantage point
Speaker 3: for anything.
Speaker 2: Well, how about we take it extra far and this
Speaker 2: one Matthew, and we take it. I'm sorry, my kid
Speaker 2: is still awake, my parents are in town. They just
Speaker 2: got off a cruise, and so they're they're staying here
Speaker 2: for the next couple of days. But and so that's
Speaker 2: what you hear my kid talking in the background. But anyway,
Speaker 2: if we're gonna take it that step farther, the reason
Speaker 2: why we love having you on here is because of
Speaker 2: that peg board that you do have and how you're
Speaker 2: drawing all the connections to possible back to the future
Speaker 2: type shit right here, let's look at it through these
Speaker 2: this lens right here. Who's to say that Trump isn't
Speaker 2: If Trump was a time traveler, wouldn't he have known
Speaker 2: to move his head at that very specific second just
Speaker 2: thrown it out there.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, I don't know if he can get the
Speaker 3: timing down that perfectly. I've tried to do that. I
Speaker 3: think that the assassin was a time traveler.
Speaker 1: I I hold on, now hold the funk on. We're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna need you to pump the brakes, take
Speaker 1: us back a couple steps here. And it is all hypothetical,
Speaker 1: of course, good cult members, we're not saying concrete confirmed
Speaker 1: nothing here, but just to be sure we're on the
Speaker 1: same page, you're hypothetically saying that Thomas Matthew Crooks may
Speaker 1: have been a time traveler. Well, the reason or you're
Speaker 1: saying he's the fall guy for the the actual shooter.
Speaker 1: Where are you at?
Speaker 3: Man? Oh, I just stay open to all of the theories.
Speaker 3: But I don't I don't think that he was a
Speaker 3: time traveler other than there was a video that came
Speaker 3: out in the very next morning from somebody that looked
Speaker 3: like him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that dude was fucking great. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think he actually had to take his his clip down,
Speaker 1: but the internet didn't forget.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saved it.
Speaker 1: And like why and like hype, The big story behind
Speaker 1: that one is he's just some lookalike that went insta
Speaker 1: viral because of the timing of striking while the iron
Speaker 1: hot so to speak. Okay, dude, of all the fucking
Speaker 1: people that you're gonna try to go insta famous for
Speaker 1: trying to emulate, Like, dude, nobody tried to be a
Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald look alike the week after he got shot.
Speaker 1: My boy, what are you doing? But like, the internet
Speaker 1: is the Internet, you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was just good timing on that
Speaker 3: guy's part. But it made me think that what if
Speaker 3: the assassin was a time traveling or Okay, because it
Speaker 3: also kind of correlates with The Umbrella Academy.
Speaker 1: Dude, I just finished watching that. What It's great, right, Okay?
Speaker 1: I loved and hated it at different points for different reasons.
Speaker 1: The way it all ended pissed me off and made
Speaker 1: me feel good at the same time. Therefore, I called
Speaker 1: the entire saga a big w I do, in fact
Speaker 1: love The Umbrella Academy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of episodes that didn't need to happen, but.
Speaker 1: There were certain plot points that weren't needed, certain character
Speaker 1: arcs that really didn't help anything and actually hurt something. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Violet to Victor or whatever.
Speaker 3: That was more of a socialist justice warrior type thing.
Speaker 1: That's because the actor slash, actress slash whatever they them
Speaker 1: are calling themselves these days, forced them to do it,
Speaker 1: and like the show was like this, this is a
Speaker 1: good idea. It'll make us look Yo. It didn't help
Speaker 1: the show, it didn't hurt it, but it didn't do
Speaker 1: anything for it either. You know, I agreed.
Speaker 3: But what I was gonna say is five went back
Speaker 3: in time to assassinate jam Pay from the Grassy Knoll.
Speaker 3: So time traveling assassins were just kind of like in my.
Speaker 1: Head, dude, apparently five was the time traveling assassin for
Speaker 1: all of history. That's just what he did. It's you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going ahead and plugging the Umbrella. Academy highly recommend it.
Speaker 1: It's a good one.
Speaker 2: I still haven't watched that.
Speaker 1: It's worth it.
Speaker 3: It takes a while to get through because.
Speaker 1: Oh you loving the multiverse, especially Jonathan oh My and
Speaker 1: like prophecies, whole cult groups springing up just off of
Speaker 1: these weird doctrines, butterfly effects, like, oh dude, this would
Speaker 1: be so your jam. Now, you may not take it
Speaker 1: as proof and truth. You probably would take it as
Speaker 1: somebody's interpretation of these concepts. But but that's what it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be. It's good.
Speaker 3: It just took all of the time travel theories and
Speaker 3: put them together like they all have the John teed
Speaker 3: or device that is like a briefcase that travel is
Speaker 3: a time travel machine and everything and the corporation or
Speaker 3: whatever it is that protects history. That could be. I
Speaker 3: actually think something like that might exist if time travel exists.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: I tell you what I think exists, as far as
Speaker 1: like from a movie that pertains this. You've ever seen
Speaker 1: Ninja Assassin?
Speaker 3: Oh, I just scrolled by it last night.
Speaker 1: Okay, watch so long story short, and this ain't gonna
Speaker 1: ruin anything for you. There is an ancient school of
Speaker 1: assassins high up in the mountains, like behind a waterfall
Speaker 1: and like you can't see this place in bump fuck nowhere, Japan, right,
Speaker 1: And they take orphans and they train them from day
Speaker 1: one to become like the deadliest assassins and all weapons,
Speaker 1: all manners of how to blend, since they teach them
Speaker 1: how to smell like wolves. A whole nine long story short,
Speaker 1: dude breaks away. There's a big fight over it all,
Speaker 1: but I'm and they still are out for hire this day.
Speaker 1: And if you ever receive an envelope with Black Sand
Speaker 1: in it, it's the Black Sands School of Assassins, and
Speaker 1: like that's your ass, that's them letting you know that,
Speaker 1: like the hunt is on and anywhere between the moment
Speaker 1: you open that envelope till a year from now, it's happening.
Speaker 1: It's going down. I believe schools like that, maybe not
Speaker 1: in Japan with these as, but schools like that really
Speaker 1: exist all over the world for sure.
Speaker 3: The other thing that I've been going down. I mean,
Speaker 3: we talked about it a little bit earlier, but is
Speaker 3: all the UFO stuff that's going on, because they're really
Speaker 3: ramping up that. But I they've admitted to having off
Speaker 3: world technology, which really only means that it was technology
Speaker 3: that wasn't developed on Earth. They could have developed it
Speaker 3: in a space station, but where did they get it
Speaker 3: in nineteen forty seven?
Speaker 2: Well, some people would also suggest that just because it's
Speaker 2: off world. I mean, if you look at and I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna go full on flat Earth here, but if
Speaker 2: you look at some of the flat Earth maps about
Speaker 2: how there's extra terrace, right, all these extra lands that
Speaker 2: you know, maybe are similar to ours, so a little
Speaker 2: bit smaller, a little bit bigger, and they're all they're
Speaker 2: also all surrounded by some sort of ice wall or
Speaker 2: something along those lines. If that's the case, that would
Speaker 2: be extraterrestrial. It's extra terrain. That would be Who's to
Speaker 2: say that there aren't other If if that is real
Speaker 2: and we don't know, how how are we gonna know?
Speaker 2: Like what are we just gonna automatically assume that that's
Speaker 2: fake because we trust NASA, I don't.
Speaker 1: That's like assuming space is real shout out to the
Speaker 1: flat Earth biblical people that believe the firmament is more
Speaker 1: of a snow globe. I don't haven't forgot y'all.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, some people, as I said earlier, think
Speaker 2: that space could be possibly fake and hypothetically gay as well.
Speaker 1: Son just be a.
Speaker 3: Part of the simulation, because as we know, the universe
Speaker 3: is constantly expanding, and we're constantly like the Hubble telescope
Speaker 3: is going further and further, and drone or drones or
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call him spacecraft are going further
Speaker 3: and further and discovering more and more. But that could
Speaker 3: just be the simulation rendering more of the map as
Speaker 3: we go along.
Speaker 1: Is the people finding cheat codes and just random shit
Speaker 1: that's not is supposed to be here is here? Like
Speaker 1: Grandft Auto homeboy put out the cell phone and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's got a fully automatic exploding bullets
Speaker 1: shotgun that like he just cell phoned in. We got
Speaker 1: shit like that going on.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's entirely possible. And now
Speaker 2: the more I get into a lot of the you know,
Speaker 2: specific topics on meta and stuff like that, dude, the
Speaker 2: world is getting crazier and crazier to me, especially whenever
Speaker 2: I hear certain stories and and and honestly, even like
Speaker 2: the experiences that I experience, Like, dude, what are synchronicities?
Speaker 2: Why are we constantly seeing these things? It's like little
Speaker 2: tiny deja vus, almost not exactly a little remembering, but
Speaker 2: it's like it weirdly syncs up with whatever is going
Speaker 2: on in your life? Is that ud always been there long?
Speaker 3: Because a girl a girl made a TikTok telling a
Speaker 3: story about she. It wasn't deja vu? And it doesn't
Speaker 3: wasn't dajab? What is it revae or something? Which is
Speaker 3: I remember this or I remember this from a dream.
Speaker 3: But she was like making dinner with somebody, and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, she just felt like she had been
Speaker 3: there before, and she felt like she had been dropped
Speaker 3: back into her body, kind of like when you wake
Speaker 3: up out of a dream. And she had two thoughts,
Speaker 3: One was what am I doing back here? And I've
Speaker 3: got to do it right this time? And that goes
Speaker 3: along with a movie called The Discovery with Robert Redford
Speaker 3: and Jason Siegel, where Robert Redford's a scientist where he
Speaker 3: makes a discovery and he discovers a way to measure
Speaker 3: on a quantum level the soul leaving the body at
Speaker 3: the time of death, and that basically, since something leaves
Speaker 3: and goes somewhere, everybody's thinking that, you know, either heaven's
Speaker 3: reel or an afterlife's real, and people just start offing themselves.
Speaker 1: Oh I remember that mounts.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Then what they finally discover is that it's part
Speaker 3: of this simulation, and it's your consciousness leaving this current
Speaker 3: reality going back to a previous portion or a separate
Speaker 3: timeline or in the multiverse, and you get to go
Speaker 3: back to a pivotal point in your life line and
Speaker 3: make a different choice.
Speaker 2: Dude, see what I'm saying, Like, I know that that
Speaker 2: might be you call it science fiction or whatever, who's
Speaker 2: to say, But I do want to tell this story
Speaker 2: since we are kind of on this topic. My mom
Speaker 2: just told me this like a couple hours ago, and
Speaker 2: she knows that I'm into all this kind of deja
Speaker 2: vu and synchronicity and dreams and stuff like that. Well,
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, my mom had a like
Speaker 2: a very very vivid dream. She just told me this.
Speaker 2: She goes, I had a super vivid dream where I
Speaker 2: was in the water and I was swimming with dolphins,
Speaker 2: and I remember she was like, she was like, I
Speaker 2: remember we were outside of a ship and I was
Speaker 2: looking up. And right at the moment that I was
Speaker 2: looking up at the ship from the water, she goes,
Speaker 2: I saw like a bunch of people with like these
Speaker 2: paper like chef hats on, right, And she she remembers
Speaker 2: having the thought in the dream, why would you want
Speaker 2: to be up there like taking some little culinary school
Speaker 2: or something like that, you could be down here swimming
Speaker 2: with dolphins. That was just like a thought that she
Speaker 2: had in her mind, but she remembered it specifically from
Speaker 2: this dream. Cut too. Now she had known that she's
Speaker 2: going to be going on this cruise. Who's to say
Speaker 2: that that was just her brain's way of saying, look,
Speaker 2: this is a possible thing that maybe you think is
Speaker 2: going to happen on this cruise. Well, cut to the
Speaker 2: time that she's actually on the cruise. She got they
Speaker 2: just got off earlier today. The time she's actually on
Speaker 2: the cruise, they're outside of the boat swimming with dolphins. Right,
Speaker 2: not that crazy, I mean, she set up a what
Speaker 2: do they call excursion, right, she set up a little excursion.
Speaker 2: They were out there swimming with dolphins. Dude, she's swimming
Speaker 2: with dolphins. She looks up and this is in real life.
Speaker 2: She looks up there are all these people and chef hats,
Speaker 2: and she has the same exact thought, why would you
Speaker 2: be up there? And then it clicked in her mind,
Speaker 2: holy shit, I just had this dream. Like she goes like, exactly, okay,
Speaker 2: deja revae. Then, but that's what she was saying. I
Speaker 2: guess my dad looked over at her whenever, you know,
Speaker 2: she had come to that realization, and she had like
Speaker 2: this super like shook ass like look on her face, right,
Speaker 2: and my Dad's like, what's wrong? And she goes, I
Speaker 2: dreamed this. I dream this exact thing, Like, what is that?
Speaker 2: What is that? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 2: Dajav I'd never heard of that one.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I only briefly looked up because she said
Speaker 3: that word, and I didn't know what that word meant.
Speaker 3: So it's remembering something that or you've done this before
Speaker 3: because you've dreamt this, you've dreamt this moment. But it's
Speaker 3: so common that there's a word for it.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, if that think about it in a physical
Speaker 2: world that we that we all think that this is
Speaker 2: just a physical reality, there's nothing really special about it. Whatever,
Speaker 2: How do you factor that in? Like, how does that
Speaker 2: get factored in? You know, because that's something that's not
Speaker 2: a one off kind of thing, like you said that,
Speaker 2: that's they created a whole word for it because people
Speaker 2: were having that. I mean, is this a psychic vision
Speaker 2: or some shit are we talking about? Like Jacob, what
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: But where are they coming from?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So is this more and I'm not saying and that
Speaker 1: your mother this was some sort of prophetic message from God?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Possibly, I'm not here to judge or interpret,
Speaker 1: but that could also be akin to what we look
Speaker 1: at as prophecy. Right, somebody gets it, has a dream,
Speaker 1: they get a word from the higher side, the higher self, God,
Speaker 1: their deity of choice, whatever the case may be, and
Speaker 1: they wake up and they write this dream down it
Speaker 1: comes true two hundred years later. What do you call that?
Speaker 1: I don't know now prophecy? I think where that division
Speaker 1: line actually is and we looked this up before, is
Speaker 1: that the person who said it or wrote it actually
Speaker 1: isn't alive to see it come through to fruition that
Speaker 1: I guess would be the difference between this and that.
Speaker 1: So what do you call this? This is a new word,
Speaker 1: by the way, you're blowing mindody eyes. Okay, premonition but
Speaker 1: specifically from a dream. That's deja revae.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go check with her real quick. She's right
Speaker 2: in the next room. She looked up the exact word.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a show.
Speaker 2: It wasn't PM. She's not going to be about that.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't premonition. That's what I thought it was.
Speaker 2: But let me go check.
Speaker 1: I'll be right back for it. Bro. But you ask
Speaker 1: her to come on, let's get let's get mama. Mama
Speaker 1: cult up on here man, absolutely bro Okay. So also,
Speaker 1: all right, this is kind of while we're waiting on him.
Speaker 1: Last time that we spoke to you, the cork war
Speaker 1: was going strong. Is it still going strong?
Speaker 3: Oh it's gonna get revamped.
Speaker 1: Okay. See, have you like wiped the board down and
Speaker 1: started over? Yep? Oh like all the way. Hard reset, Oh,
Speaker 1: hard reset.
Speaker 3: But I've got everything in envelopes and folders, and I've
Speaker 3: got a book, a bunch of pictures of how everything
Speaker 3: was and I want to make it less convoluted, and
Speaker 3: I want to differentiate between fiction, which would be the
Speaker 3: movies or or what do you call that when they
Speaker 3: foreshadow what's actually gonna happen. H predictive programming stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then have a different area or a different color
Speaker 3: scheme for actual factual information and events like the World
Speaker 3: Trades air bombing in nineteen ninety four that was perpetrated
Speaker 3: by the FBI, all sorts of actual conspiracies, and then
Speaker 3: weird time travel possible conspiracies.
Speaker 2: So I went and asked her. She's not about to
Speaker 2: come on here, she's like her night club.
Speaker 3: You do have a guest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I decided to bring the boog on the show
Speaker 2: here because he wanted to run in here. But it's
Speaker 2: not it's not it's not a premonition. She said. What
Speaker 2: what she looked up was more precognition or like precognizance
Speaker 2: or something like that. But I mean, that is a
Speaker 2: Claire is Claire cognizance, So maybe that leaning more towards
Speaker 2: the psychic kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have no idea. I honestly, this
Speaker 1: is the first time I've ever really thought about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, not like in my life I've thought about like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have a dream, then that shit comes true later
Speaker 1: and it's like reverse deja vu. I think I've had
Speaker 1: that happen once or twice in my life, but I
Speaker 1: guess because I don't dream. This is such a foreign
Speaker 1: concept to me these days. So I don't know, honestly.
Speaker 3: But you dream, you just don't remember. If you didn't dream,
Speaker 3: you would go insane.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I've actually had studies done. The VA
Speaker 1: actually had to do a sleep study on me at
Speaker 1: one point in time. Liked when I'm out, I'm like
Speaker 1: in a cold.
Speaker 3: Your brain actually shuts down and there's no brain activity.
Speaker 1: Big dog. When I'm asleep, I am asleep, I think.
Speaker 1: Although I say this, though, I did have a dream
Speaker 1: one time in the past five years that I can remember,
Speaker 1: and that was the night after Jonathan hypnotized me and
Speaker 1: I had a past life regression. So I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that the brain isn't capable of doing these things. My
Speaker 1: brain just is definitely like, hey, we get a break,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna take it easy for about five hours.
Speaker 1: That's about all to sleep. I gives about five hours
Speaker 1: a night, right so my brain is like, hey, big dog,
Speaker 1: when we unplug, we unfucking plug it.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's actually the reason why, you know, Dolores
Speaker 2: Cannon and I even suggest that whenever you are getting
Speaker 2: hypnotized and going to a past life that you should
Speaker 2: be sober. Is because the thing is is that the
Speaker 2: reason why a lot of people are not saying this
Speaker 2: is your Jacob, but just in general, the reason why
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't dream at night is because
Speaker 2: they smoke weed before we go to sleep. I do
Speaker 2: you know, because I fall asleep like a fucking rock dude,
Speaker 2: if I if I smoke, and that's really the only
Speaker 2: time I ever even smoke is just to you know,
Speaker 2: relax the last hour of the night and then go
Speaker 2: to sleep.
Speaker 3: Well, isn't that weird because when we were in high school,
Speaker 3: we always it was like weed was to get fucked up,
Speaker 3: And now it's like I want to go to Betty Buys,
Speaker 3: right right, I.
Speaker 1: Think it might be hereditary. Dude. My dad's the same way.
Speaker 1: He doesn't dream either.
Speaker 2: Well. The thing is is that what we does is
Speaker 2: that it takes away your uh, your rap your re
Speaker 2: em sleep, so your rapid eye movement sleep, which is
Speaker 2: what happens whenever you're dreaming, right, your eyes are.
Speaker 3: All looking around alcohol too, Except alcohol is a little
Speaker 3: bit different because you never actually get into REM sleep.
Speaker 3: We just makes you skip sleep.
Speaker 1: Is that true? Because I'll tell you this, man, back
Speaker 1: when I was a drinker, some of the best long
Speaker 1: winter naps I ever had in my life, where whenever
Speaker 1: I was completely blitzed. Is that true? You don't get
Speaker 1: good sleep after you, like if you.
Speaker 3: Does some sort of hindrance to your sleep rhythms, is
Speaker 3: what I've what I've heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a circadian rhythm that it throws off. So
Speaker 2: it's unnatural. It's not to say that you're not going
Speaker 2: to get a good sleep. I mean I still get
Speaker 2: a great sleep every night, and and you know, I
Speaker 2: smoke before I go to sleep, you know, every night.
Speaker 2: It's just that it doesn't allow you to get into
Speaker 2: that REM cycle that allows you to dream. And so
Speaker 2: even if you do get into the REM cycle and
Speaker 2: you do dream a little bit, if you're high, or
Speaker 2: if you're going to sleep drunk or whatever, you're less
Speaker 2: likely to wake up remembering that dream.
Speaker 1: I got you now, Okay.
Speaker 2: So yeah, anyway, look, I wanted to get into this.
Speaker 2: I thought that this was interesting, especially now that it's
Speaker 2: been a couple of months since your boy, Thomas Matthew
Speaker 2: Crooks decided to be a crook. He all right, So
Speaker 2: first off, he has a whole Wikipedia page, and then
Speaker 2: I want to kind of compare and contrast what a
Speaker 2: lot of other people are saying in regards to this
Speaker 2: whole Wikipedia article. So just to kind of get a
Speaker 2: better understanding of him. If you're the person that actually
Speaker 2: believes that this was the gentleman who decided to take
Speaker 2: a shot, unless there was multiple shooters, but let's just
Speaker 2: go along with this story that it absolutely.
Speaker 1: Was him, Okay.
Speaker 2: It says first the reason I even wanted to search
Speaker 2: this is because I wanted to see what his birthday was,
Speaker 2: to see if it was any kind of you know,
Speaker 2: weird numerology or whatever. No doubt not really. Born September twentieth,
Speaker 2: two thousand and three. It says that he was an
Speaker 2: American man who had tempted to assassinate former US President
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, who at the time was the presumptive Republican
Speaker 2: Party nominee for the twenty twenty four presidential election. On
Speaker 2: July thirteenth, twenty twenty four, at a rally near Butler, PA,
Speaker 2: crooks shot at Trump with an AR fifteen style rifle
Speaker 2: from a nearby rooftop with while Trump was giving a speech.
Speaker 2: Crooks hit Trump's ear with a shot and killed one attendee,
Speaker 2: while critically injuring two others before being killed by a
Speaker 2: Secret Service counter sniper team. His motive remains unknown. The
Speaker 2: FBI is investigating the case. Sure they are. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like, who's like monitoring the irs kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, but anyway, it says, Evidence on his
Speaker 2: political views remaining inconclusive. In January twenty twenty one, he
Speaker 2: donated fifteen dollars to a voter turnout group with a
Speaker 2: Democratic platform. When he reached the voting age of eighteen,
Speaker 2: in September of twenty twenty one, he registered to vote
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania as a member of the Republican Party and
Speaker 2: remained registered as a Republican until his death. Allegedly, However,
Speaker 2: this is where it starts getting interesting whenever you start
Speaker 2: getting into his early life, because I was curious, was
Speaker 2: this guy on SSR Rise, was he, you know, bullied
Speaker 2: in school or anything. He definitely looks like a fucking dork.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at that fauxhead son.
Speaker 1: Boy, that's a five hit. What you talking?
Speaker 2: He's screaming out, Hey, you guys. You know what I'm
Speaker 2: saying that.
Speaker 1: You remember seeing that video of of his little classmates
Speaker 1: in him and it wasn't like he was mister popularity
Speaker 1: by any means, but it didn't look like he was
Speaker 1: getting shit on NonStop. But then you heard different reports
Speaker 1: from high school classmates. Some said yay to that, some
Speaker 1: said nay to that.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, that story starts to clear up a
Speaker 2: lot here. And and also remember that was a that's
Speaker 2: a commercial. Nobody's gonna be bullying somebody in the middle
Speaker 2: of a commercial.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I mean in a video he made
Speaker 1: with his classmates that like went on YouTube and he said,
Speaker 1: h yeah, and I'm a homosexual. He was like joking
Speaker 1: around with them, and it was like a whole thing
Speaker 1: that his classmates were So I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: So anyway. He was born in Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, south
Speaker 2: of Pittsburgh. A local politician said Crooks's neighborhood is middle class,
Speaker 2: maybe upper middle class. Both of Crooks's parents are licensed
Speaker 2: professional counselors. How about that.
Speaker 1: Interesting, that's why it went fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: It's in charge of the asylum.
Speaker 2: Right. Recollections about him, including information about his life and
Speaker 2: personality very considerably, says he attended Bethel Park High School
Speaker 2: and was an above average student academically. He joined the
Speaker 2: National Technical Honor Society in twenty twenty one while a
Speaker 2: junior in high school. In twenty twenty two, he graduated
Speaker 2: with high honors and won a five hundred dollars quote
Speaker 2: unquote star reward from the National Math and Science Initiative.
Speaker 2: Probably how he was able to get in the Black
Speaker 2: Rock commercial, you know, That's what I would suggest anyway.
Speaker 2: Classmates and school officials characterized him as being quiet. Classmates
Speaker 2: said that he was often bullied for various reasons, including
Speaker 2: his quiet demeanor, body odor, as well as for wearing camouflage,
Speaker 2: hunting outfits and surgical masks to school. So he was
Speaker 2: Probably he.
Speaker 3: Was a senior in twenty twenty, wasn't.
Speaker 2: He twenty twenty two? Twenty twenty two, it said he
Speaker 2: graduated with high honors, So twenty twenty one he was
Speaker 2: a junior.
Speaker 3: Or so he would have been. In My point is
Speaker 3: that he would have been in high school during twenty
Speaker 3: twenty when the whole COVID thing, So it's really not
Speaker 3: that weird that he was wearing a surgical mask.
Speaker 2: Well, people are just making fun of him. I mean,
Speaker 2: who's to say, you know, because there was still a
Speaker 2: lot of people that were still wearing masks in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one and twenty twenty two, But it's saying right
Speaker 2: here in twenty twenty two, probably was whenever he was
Speaker 2: still wearing the mask, and there's probably a bunch of
Speaker 2: people making fun of him. We do it all the.
Speaker 1: Time, right, Yeah, that's true. The fact he was in
Speaker 1: school during COVID's like his classmates saying that he wore
Speaker 1: a mask, that makes that wouldn't be relevant, But the
Speaker 1: fact that they made a special mention of it at
Speaker 1: least indicates, or is at least intended to indicate, that
Speaker 1: there was something more about there. Maybe he was one
Speaker 1: of these people that wore a mask after it was
Speaker 1: like no longer deemed necessary. But also I don't want
Speaker 1: to like add on to the bullying, but also fuck
Speaker 1: this piece of shit. So like, yo, he looks stinky,
Speaker 1: don't he? He looks like the fuck.
Speaker 3: He looks like he would be the smally kid in class.
Speaker 1: He looks like the kid that'd be like scratching the
Speaker 1: crack his ass and then like low key trying to
Speaker 1: sniff it even though all of us just wash your
Speaker 1: filthy shit like you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't look like he was very socially epped.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, definitely looks unhygienic. But anyway, it says according
Speaker 2: to the school district, there are no detailed records of
Speaker 2: disciplinary incidents, including bullying and threats with crooks involved. The
Speaker 2: school district concluded in quotes, the assailant was known as
Speaker 2: a quiet, bright young man who generally got along with
Speaker 2: his teachers and classmates. Now, keep keep in mind, that's
Speaker 2: the school district saying that. That's not students, that's not
Speaker 2: the teachers, you know.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, Jonathan, how close were you with your
Speaker 1: school board district manager?
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I ever met him.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's crazy if something was to happen to some
Speaker 1: kid that you graduated with, you're just like, whoa he
Speaker 1: did what? And some school board members like, well, he
Speaker 1: was a bright kid. What dude, well are you speaking
Speaker 1: on it? You know?
Speaker 2: And it says that he enjoyed playing chess and video
Speaker 2: games and was learning computer programming. He attended a computer
Speaker 2: technology program at the Steel Center for Career and Technical
Speaker 2: Education in Clareton, Pennsylvania. Some students and graduates from Bethel
Speaker 2: Park High School alleged that he tried out for the
Speaker 2: school's rifle team but failed to make the team because
Speaker 2: of his poor aim. There you go, that's what you
Speaker 2: were saying. The Bethel Park School District said that there
Speaker 2: is no record of Crooks trying out for the team.
Speaker 2: He earned an associate degree in engineering science from the
Speaker 2: Community College of Allegheny County in Pittsburgh, graduating two months
Speaker 2: before the shooting. He was employed as a dietary aid
Speaker 2: in a nursing home at the time of the shooting.
Speaker 2: According to the nursing home, which is less than a
Speaker 2: mile away from where he lived, he had passed it
Speaker 2: back crownd check and he quote unquote performed his job
Speaker 2: without concern. He had been accepted into both the University
Speaker 2: of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh and Robert Morris University in Moon Township, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: So all right, So then it gets into Oh here
Speaker 2: we go. He had no known criminal record and no
Speaker 2: known mental health problems. He had a membership at a
Speaker 2: local shooting club for at least a year. So this
Speaker 2: is the Wikipedia, which we like to call Wickedpedia because
Speaker 2: it's usually always extremely watered down, and there's some Oh
Speaker 2: my god, that is a horrific picture of this young man.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it.
Speaker 2: He looking up in this picture, though, isn't he?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I'm saying, Like I understand that,
Speaker 1: like not everybody is born with like great looks and
Speaker 1: good genetics, and like, okay, fine, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: like pick on those things. But also, like there had
Speaker 1: to be better photos. Oh yeah, him being a nerd
Speaker 1: is without any doubt, right, but like there had to
Speaker 1: be a better picture that the family could have offered up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there had to have bess a public photo that
Speaker 3: somebody found.
Speaker 2: It could have been something on MySpace for all we know.
Speaker 1: You know what I Meanstard, I mean, he's wearing a
Speaker 1: patriotic shirt in that picture. This kid, this hitting the assassin,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. This is a kid in
Speaker 1: middle school. It's got a bright future ahead of him.
Speaker 1: He's got hopes and dreams. So when did that that
Speaker 1: little nerdy kid all of a sudden deside I have
Speaker 1: a really really cool idea.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I mean, Eventually people get bullied
Speaker 2: and bullied and bullied, and usually something happens as a
Speaker 2: result of that. Well, maybe that person would take a
Speaker 2: good approach and say, you know what, I'm gonna start
Speaker 2: taking better care of myself. I'm gonna shower regularly, maybe
Speaker 2: I'll hit the gym, maybe I'll start eating better, and
Speaker 2: I'm you know, maybe I'll get some fucking proactive face washing,
Speaker 2: get rid of all this fucking acnium face whatever. Right.
Speaker 2: I know I went through acne phases as a kid too,
Speaker 2: so I get that. But you know, you can you
Speaker 2: can go one of two ways with that. You can
Speaker 2: you can use it as fuel to be better and
Speaker 2: to try and succeed, or you can take it that
Speaker 2: other way. And uh so, anyway, I just want to
Speaker 2: read this part. It says a senior congressional source who
Speaker 2: was directly informed about the attempted assassination of the former
Speaker 2: President Donald Trump, informed News News Nation that Thomas Matthew
Speaker 2: Crooks has been diagnosed with quote unquote major depressive order. Now,
Speaker 2: that's very different from what Wikipedia was saying. It says
Speaker 2: it is unclear if Crooks was on any medications or
Speaker 2: if he was seeing a therapist for the depressive order.
Speaker 2: Well what do you need a therapist for if both
Speaker 2: your parents are counselors?
Speaker 1: Right, So you're saying depressive depressive disorder?
Speaker 2: That's what I said. Did I not say that?
Speaker 1: You said depressive order?
Speaker 2: Is that even a thing?
Speaker 1: No? But when you said it the first time, I
Speaker 1: was like, you correctly, Okay, I do that all the time. No, no, No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to like shit on you. I was
Speaker 1: making sure what and't type that way? I'm like, hold on,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is a depressive order? Then you said
Speaker 1: it again. I was like, wait, what the fuck am
Speaker 1: I reading right now? So, okay, depressive disorder?
Speaker 2: That's on me? My bad. I'm a little slow sometimes,
Speaker 2: not this guy slow, but you know, at least some
Speaker 2: level of it. It says. Former class classmates have come
Speaker 2: forward claiming the twenty year old was a loaner who
Speaker 2: was bullied by his peers. These those those other kids
Speaker 2: would always say, hey, look at the school shooter over there.
Speaker 1: What I mean?
Speaker 2: I mean he fits the he fits if the shoe fits,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, it said that they
Speaker 2: would tease him about his poor hygiene and his body
Speaker 2: uder and he was an easy target. So I kind
Speaker 2: of just wanted to throw that out there because, all right,
Speaker 2: let's say he had some major depressive issues. Well, his
Speaker 2: parents are both counselors. He did stink, he was he
Speaker 2: was a bit of a loaner. And they may.
Speaker 1: Have in the school shooter. That's fucking great.
Speaker 2: They may have Babe Ruth that motherfucker and called their shot,
Speaker 2: and they may have been I mean speaking of premonition here.
Speaker 1: Right in the business, we call that foreshadowing with the
Speaker 1: Count Kula quote. Dude, I mean.
Speaker 3: Shit, all right, So since you said called their shot
Speaker 3: and mentioned Babe Ruth, I got something for him.
Speaker 1: Okay, go for it. I'm currently wearing I'm currently wearing
Speaker 1: my PF flyers. So hit me with a dog.
Speaker 3: Ah. How'd you find a pair of those, dude?
Speaker 1: I I shit you not? Seventy dollars awesome? Copped a pair, dude.
Speaker 1: They're back online. The Postropedic Foundation is what PF stands for.
Speaker 1: They just released their Sandlot edition again. Brother seventy dollars.
Speaker 1: It's worth it. I promise they're comfortable as hell too.
Speaker 1: But anyway, tell me some babe ruth shit.
Speaker 3: A few weeks ago, I guess Donald Trump made that
Speaker 3: claim that he and Willie Brown had some sort of
Speaker 3: incident with a helicopter. You remember that, Like the helicopter
Speaker 3: either had to make an emergency landing or something. But
Speaker 3: it was a story, and then they said it with
Speaker 3: CNN and the New York Times said it was fake news.
Speaker 3: On August tenth, mister Donald Trump or the real Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: made a tweet and he's calling out the New York
Speaker 3: Times saying that they're fake news about he and Willie
Speaker 3: Brown and the helicopter ride. There is also a story
Speaker 3: in quotes on the tweet. Willie and Me end quotes,
Speaker 3: why can't the radical left blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: And then he does his Trump thing and talks. But
Speaker 3: that got me since he put that in quotes and
Speaker 3: capitalized that Willy and me, I'm like, I gotta find
Speaker 3: this story. Maybe he's referencing something. I could find no
Speaker 3: story on Donald Trump and William Brown in a helicopter
Speaker 3: except for people calling it fake news and other people
Speaker 3: saying it wasn't. But there is a book called Willie
Speaker 3: and Me by Dan Gutman about a young boy who
Speaker 3: time travels back to nineteen fifty five. Of course, where
Speaker 3: what's his name Thomas? I can't remember. Not Robert Thomas,
Speaker 3: but whoever it was that did the shot heard around
Speaker 3: the world during a game he had ait But not
Speaker 3: lou Garrick. No, it's in your swe something Robert or Thomas.
Speaker 3: It's not Rob Tomas anyway, anyway, it's something like that.
Speaker 3: But the fact that he may have referenced another book
Speaker 3: about time travel where a young boy goes back in
Speaker 3: time to nineteen fifty five, it kind of too is.
Speaker 1: Too much, Maddie. Where do you even find that Bobby
Speaker 1: Thomson sent it to Bobby Thompson?
Speaker 2: Is it says? Perhaps no home run in base in
Speaker 2: the baseball canon looms larger than the Bobby Thompson's shot
Speaker 2: herd around the world on October third, nineteen fifty one.
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2: Whatever, dude, It's always what is with all of these
Speaker 2: connections to time travel?
Speaker 3: Well, why would he put that? In quotes a story
Speaker 3: called Willie and Me? And there's no story about Donald
Speaker 3: Trump and Willie Brown called Willy and Me. But there
Speaker 3: is this book about time.
Speaker 1: Travel, and I mean, I don't know the context of
Speaker 1: the conversation. Is there any other Willie he may have
Speaker 1: been referring to.
Speaker 3: The only other thing look up Willy and Me. The
Speaker 3: only other thing that comes up is a movie about
Speaker 3: Willie Nelson. And I don't think that's what he was
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 1: I wish that's what he was talking about. I would
Speaker 1: love to hear some story of story from Donnie t
Speaker 1: back in the day of him and Willie Nelson burning
Speaker 1: it down. That would be worth a fucking podcast.
Speaker 3: Well he never.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, money is his party.
Speaker 3: The other thing is, like we were talking about alcohol affecting
Speaker 3: your dreams earlier. Donald Trump's never drank alcohol. But in
Speaker 3: every time travel movie there at least is one part
Speaker 3: where it's centered around alcohol. Back to the future, the
Speaker 3: doc drinks a one shot of whiskey and passes out
Speaker 3: the bad guys, the thugs. They spiked the the punch
Speaker 3: with early times whiskey. There's Miller Lite or Miller Genuine
Speaker 3: draft throughout the movie. Maybe they were just sponsored by
Speaker 3: the Miller company. And then in well, hot Tub Time Machine.
Speaker 3: There's tons of alcohol in Predestination. They meet at a bar,
Speaker 3: they're drinking heavily. That all of these movies are centered
Speaker 3: around alcohol in some way, and the person time traveling
Speaker 3: or wants to control time travel is never drinking. And
Speaker 3: Donald Trump has never drank alcohol.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I gotta throw a weird spin into this.
Speaker 2: So there is a guess that that I've had on
Speaker 2: this show a few times. His name is Johnny Vincento.
Speaker 2: And this is where it gets really fucking strange, Like
Speaker 2: this is wild. He he's a scientist, and he doesn't
Speaker 2: like what he doesn't like talking to Jacob, not Jacob specifically,
Speaker 2: but he just wants to only, you know, have the
Speaker 2: conversation with me. So every conversation that he's ever been
Speaker 2: on this show has only been with me. He's kind
Speaker 2: of a weird guy.
Speaker 1: But let's I've never even met him to rub him
Speaker 1: the wrong way, so like, I don't know, but whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not anything specific to you. It's just I
Speaker 2: guess he's just comfortable with me or whatever. But anyway,
Speaker 2: he talks about how he may have solved the riddle
Speaker 2: as far as traversing time and what he said. He
Speaker 2: says that if you get into a meditative state, before
Speaker 2: you get into a meditative state, you would take just
Speaker 2: a few shots of hard liquor, that would and then
Speaker 2: you get into a meditation and you're able to like
Speaker 2: time travel like this is something that he says.
Speaker 3: It's a theory that goes along with astral projection and
Speaker 3: what is it where you.
Speaker 1: And I now see why he doesn't want me on
Speaker 1: the show when he talks to you. Okay, I fully
Speaker 1: fully understand now because I would ask him very basic
Speaker 1: logical questions and I have a feeling that would throw
Speaker 1: off the vibe. Well, look, well, I.
Speaker 3: May be made in nineteen eighty one called Somewhere in
Speaker 3: Time with Reeves. What's his name? Christopher Reeves?
Speaker 2: Oh, Christopher Oh.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Keanu dude.
Speaker 3: No, very different person. But Christopher Reeves meta takes and
Speaker 3: gets into a meditative state and goes back in time.
Speaker 3: I think that's somewhat possible. Remote viewing is definitely possible.
Speaker 3: There have been studies on that. It's just that we
Speaker 3: don't fully understand it. I don't know what alcohol I
Speaker 3: mean when I drink heavily, I feel like I've time
Speaker 3: traveled if I wake up.
Speaker 2: But well, he's not saying that you want to. He's
Speaker 2: not saying that you want to get shit faced before
Speaker 2: you try in time travel. It's just a couple of
Speaker 2: shots just to give you that little buzz and I
Speaker 2: and I would suggest maybe the reason behind that hypothetically here,
Speaker 2: I'm not a big drinker, but I would suggest that
Speaker 2: maybe the reason behind that is so that you can
Speaker 2: get into like a more meditative, relaxed state of mind
Speaker 2: during that session. And so some people have a hard
Speaker 2: time getting into like the meditative state, like some people
Speaker 2: like I know that whenever I first started learning how
Speaker 2: to meditate, it took me forever to get into a
Speaker 2: meditative state. I would do everything that I possibly could.
Speaker 2: I would turn on, you know, the meditation music. I
Speaker 2: would try and sit in the lotus position, and I
Speaker 2: just couldn't, like turn my mind off. And so one
Speaker 2: way to turn your mind off would be to dull
Speaker 2: it out by taking a couple of shots and just
Speaker 2: get you there, because you gotta think about it, like
Speaker 2: it all depends on the way that you look at
Speaker 2: the world. And I know that sounds like a crazy statement.
Speaker 2: I'm the crazy person, So it just matches, right. But
Speaker 2: if you're somebody who thinks that everything that we live in,
Speaker 2: like this reality is some sort of I don't like
Speaker 2: using the term mental projection. I don't really even like
Speaker 2: using the term simulation because I think that that waters
Speaker 2: down the special significance of it. But I think that
Speaker 2: this reality is not what we think it is if
Speaker 2: it is indeed mental. And this is what I learned
Speaker 2: by reading the Kabalian the seven Normatic Principles. They believe
Speaker 2: that the All, which is what they call God or
Speaker 2: the universe or whatever they call it, the All. They
Speaker 2: believe even that book, either three Initiates or you know,
Speaker 2: said one guy, they believe that the universe is mental
Speaker 2: or that the all is mental, meaning that like every
Speaker 2: single thing that happens to you is a mental thing
Speaker 2: that is going on. Like And if that's the case
Speaker 2: and you're trying to time travel, you would suggest that
Speaker 2: maybe the best way to be able to do that
Speaker 2: would be from meditation. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I wish you would look into that dude, not the
Speaker 1: three initiates, but the guy who allegedly wrote the book.
Speaker 1: He is fascinating. I honestly think that you would like it.
Speaker 1: Not to call it a fraud or a fake. Nothing
Speaker 1: of that, I promise you genuinely. The schools that he
Speaker 1: learned from I think you would find fascinating.
Speaker 2: Bro oh dude, all the mystery schools, like the secret
Speaker 2: mystery schools are absolutely a real thing. I mean that
Speaker 2: look at secret societies, like if they're secret societies, there
Speaker 2: has to be secret mystery schools. And also remember that
Speaker 2: like this, he didn't come up with the seven Hermetic principles.
Speaker 2: That's been around for a lot longer than the nineteen
Speaker 2: hundreds and so, but maybe you know, this is like
Speaker 2: a like an advanced version of it, maybe a more
Speaker 2: evolved version of it. This one gets more into the
Speaker 2: universe and the mental state of mind and the spirit
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Not that hermeticism didn't go into that,
Speaker 2: but this is more along the lines of like the metaphysical,
Speaker 2: which you know, way back in the day they weren't
Speaker 2: talking about specifically like metaphysics, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could also understand as far as you
Speaker 1: hypnotize me once upon a time, right, and you it's
Speaker 1: best to be sober when you go into a hypnosis
Speaker 1: because you don't want to chalk up whatever experiences you
Speaker 1: had to. Oh, well, that's just because I was a
Speaker 1: little buzzed. Oh that's because I was high. Oh that's
Speaker 1: because I took a little something beforehand. You don't want
Speaker 1: to do it. You want it to be a real
Speaker 1: profound experience. However, having that happen the first time, I
Speaker 1: could see how maybe a couple of shots, or maybe
Speaker 1: a hit offf of a joint or something like that
Speaker 1: could lower your ego, so to speak, and help you
Speaker 1: break through faster once you know what you're doing and
Speaker 1: with experience. But I would also say that varies person
Speaker 1: to person, Like for myself, I know that one shot
Speaker 1: can never just be one shot for me. So that
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that, and it would not lead to me meditating.
Speaker 1: It would lead to me time traveling. In another regard,
Speaker 1: which I'm gonna be honest, that's the only way I've
Speaker 1: ever been able to time travel is with the aid
Speaker 1: of old liquor. Most famously, the time I got introduced
Speaker 1: to vod kila and may or may not have been
Speaker 1: sing out of Tijuana. That that time travel I know about.
Speaker 1: But to that point, it's best if I don't go
Speaker 1: to that portal, you know what I mean. But certain people.
Speaker 2: Absolutely what if we were to take a an advanced
Speaker 2: approach to this hypnotism? Okay, maybe so. Dolores Cannon had
Speaker 2: always stated that she she believed that, you know, her,
Speaker 2: her teachings would evolve into something greater. And you know
Speaker 2: she just you know, I mean, it started to evolve
Speaker 2: as she got older, but she was an elderly lady. Dude,
Speaker 2: it wasn't going to evolve with her. It started with her.
Speaker 2: That's all we really needed. And and so I always
Speaker 2: looked at that as like challenge accepted. How could I
Speaker 2: possibly evolve this thing? And now I have said in
Speaker 2: the past that I don't want anybody taking any kind
Speaker 2: of drugs or alcohol or anything that would be able
Speaker 2: to throw you off. But the reason behind that is
Speaker 2: is because I do want it to be a profound
Speaker 2: experience that you know that it's not just this, it's
Speaker 2: not just that. However, if we take it a different,
Speaker 2: different approach to it, Jacob, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: You are now podcasting full time. Therefore you're kind of
Speaker 2: your own boss.
Speaker 1: I know where you're going with this, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if I want to partake of DMT before a
Speaker 1: hit no session.
Speaker 2: How fucking sweet would that be?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: The only reason why I'm saying no to this, and
Speaker 1: it's not because I don't trust you as a hypno
Speaker 1: therapist to guide me through through whatever waters we would
Speaker 1: find ourselves in.
Speaker 2: By the way, it's not it's not just DMT, it's
Speaker 2: four aco DMT. It's it's like mushrooms mixed with DMT.
Speaker 1: No doubt, no doubt. The only reason why I'm saying
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm leery of that is because the hypno
Speaker 1: session itself is fascinating enough, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: I will be able to be present of mind, like
Speaker 1: aside from the foreaco, to actually do the hypno and
Speaker 1: like walk through those steps that I don't know I
Speaker 1: might put. I'm putting a.
Speaker 2: Possible one, but I might not even have to induce you.
Speaker 2: That's the thing is that you're already gonna be there.
Speaker 3: Interesting just go into that dimension.
Speaker 2: Right right, and I would just be asking you questions,
Speaker 2: what do you look like? What is your surroundings, what
Speaker 2: are you experiencing? What are your hopes and dreams? And
Speaker 2: you know, one question that I always like to ask
Speaker 2: of people whenever they're in a in a hypnosis, and
Speaker 2: I do it almost every single time, but just because
Speaker 2: of I'm so curious, I always want to ask them
Speaker 2: what are your spiritual beliefs or do you have any
Speaker 2: religious beliefs? Because at that time, dude, that's like getting
Speaker 2: somebody to ask. It's like the whole notion as to
Speaker 2: what happens whenever you're in a lucid dream. If you
Speaker 2: ask somebody in one of those lucid dreams what time
Speaker 2: it is, and they always act really really fucking weird.
Speaker 2: I experienced this myself. I was over at my sister's
Speaker 2: house in this lucid dream. I asked my sister. I
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, what time is it? And she goes, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Just ask Mattie, which is her daughter.
Speaker 2: So I go over and I asked Mattie. I said, hey,
Speaker 2: what time is it, Maddie? And she's like, oh, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Ask Anna, which is like the youngest, like
Speaker 2: she's like five, and she's she doesn't even know how
Speaker 2: to read time yet, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, why is it? Why is nobody telling me
Speaker 2: what time it is? And I could literally I could
Speaker 2: look at this at the at the oven, and I
Speaker 2: could see that the time was on there. I knew
Speaker 2: what time it was. I don't remember what it was,
Speaker 2: but I couldn't get them to tell me what time
Speaker 2: it was. And supposedly that's kind of the matrix starting
Speaker 2: to unfold in trying to get somebody to tell you
Speaker 2: what time it is in one of those lucid dreams,
Speaker 2: which is strange that that's kind of a look.
Speaker 3: Right, to find a clock in lucid dreams. I've tried
Speaker 3: to figure out stuff like that. If it's because time
Speaker 3: doesn't exist in a dream, Yeah, a dream can literally
Speaker 3: the what you experience in the dream could be like
Speaker 3: a full week, but it's only seven seconds in our reality.
Speaker 3: Like you're the rem sleep where your eyes were moving
Speaker 3: back and forth, that was only lasted for like seven seconds,
Speaker 3: but you experienced a week long of information.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: I mean you couple that with the fact that you know,
Speaker 2: the average human person has like sixty thousand thoughts in
Speaker 2: a day. There's not even sixty thousand seconds in a day,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, How are you having that
Speaker 2: many thoughts? And that's because, like, dude, time is very,
Speaker 2: very different whenever it comes to the mind, and especially
Speaker 2: whenever it's a dude. Well yeah, dude, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: But uh, where I was getting with that was is that, like,
Speaker 2: if I was to hypnotize you give you a little
Speaker 2: bit of four aco or maybe just regular old mushrooms.
Speaker 2: I wonder if not only not only would it be
Speaker 2: a lot more graphic and a lot more cool and
Speaker 2: everything like that. I wonder what kind of psychic level
Speaker 2: shit that we can do. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Maybe you might be able to just start fucking levitating,
Speaker 2: or might you might be able to, you know, have
Speaker 2: some kind of telekinetic powers and just start lifting me
Speaker 2: up off the couch or something crazy. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I don't know. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: ever been done.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying no, I'm putting, I'm putting a p
Speaker 1: on it. I'm putting I'm putting it possible. Well, well
Speaker 1: I have to, We'll have to.
Speaker 2: Worst thing that the worst thing that could happen. The
Speaker 2: worst thing that could happen is that you end up
Speaker 2: having a fucking great trip and it doesn't work, but hey,
Speaker 2: you still get a trip out of it.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a very good point. I mean, there
Speaker 1: really is no downside when you look at it like that.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, Maddie.
Speaker 2: Have you ever done psychedelics?
Speaker 3: Bro? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: What do you think? Like?
Speaker 2: What realm are we jumping into?
Speaker 3: I think it has a lot to do with your
Speaker 3: own subconscious, in your own ego, your predisposed thoughts or perceptions.
Speaker 3: But d MT is the one that I don't understand
Speaker 3: and I'm afraid of, not afraid.
Speaker 2: But hesitant.
Speaker 3: Yeah. There's actually a university, I can't remember which one
Speaker 3: that's doing a study on DMT where they're microdosing people
Speaker 3: and they're mapping out that dimension, which i've heard of.
Speaker 3: The fact that everybody, or at least a large percentage
Speaker 3: of people have the same exact hallucination means it's no
Speaker 3: longer a hallucination, which means it's an actual thing that's
Speaker 3: out there that we can't perceive without this chemical. So
Speaker 3: it's always there. And when you come out of a DMT,
Speaker 3: like a a large DMT trip for days, you're seeing
Speaker 3: those trails of what looks like is a tracing on
Speaker 3: top of reality. It's like things happening that aren't happening
Speaker 3: but you can you can perceive them now because you
Speaker 3: get too much of this chemical still in your system.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, that could be dangerous if you're driving and
Speaker 1: you see shit that ain't there.
Speaker 3: Well it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not that it's discernible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, it's.
Speaker 3: Just like in the back of your mind, like it
Speaker 3: feels like somebody put a tracing of this dimension over reality.
Speaker 2: I love that you said that. That's exactly my experience
Speaker 2: on this for Eco DMT, because whenever I come out
Speaker 2: of that, I noticed that there are certain like different
Speaker 2: kind of renderings to this matrix or reality, whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call it. And maybe, to be honest, I think,
Speaker 2: like I think this is probably why I'm so much
Speaker 2: into the Woo Woo is because of what I experience
Speaker 2: on the four Eco and on the mushrooms and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, because you'll notice that there almost seems to
Speaker 2: be some kind of like I hate to sound like
Speaker 2: kind of lame whenever I say this, but almost like
Speaker 2: light dimensions, like dimensions of different light projections on top
Speaker 2: of this reality.
Speaker 3: You can you know, taste color and everything like that.
Speaker 3: But mushrooms, I think just obscure. You know, you're actually
Speaker 3: a perception of reality. But with enough, I mean, it
Speaker 3: could be like Peyote, it could be like all the
Speaker 3: other Native American tribal religious stuff that they would have
Speaker 3: to go on vision quest for and find the answers.
Speaker 3: And I think it just makes you more open to
Speaker 3: finding meaning in these and you're subconscious or what have you.
Speaker 3: But with acid, that's a whole different thing all into
Speaker 3: itself because you become more personally I don't know, easily manipulated.
Speaker 1: See I will never ever touch it in my life
Speaker 1: because I can't trust the source. I feel like I
Speaker 1: missed the gap of generation where like you had no
Speaker 1: doubts at least if somebody gave you this tab like
Speaker 1: it was gonna be at least something that wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: kill you. And I can't say for certain that statement anymore.
Speaker 1: So I know the lad that's making the LSD and
Speaker 1: like I know, it's been, it's cleared hot, and it's
Speaker 1: good to go. We could add that talk, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of like cocaine, Like I'm never gonna buy coke
Speaker 1: off the street ever in my life because there's no
Speaker 1: See my phone agrees that's a good idea. I'm because
Speaker 1: I can't trust that it's not cut with something that
Speaker 1: will end my life because I was trying to have
Speaker 1: a good time, you know what I mean. It's not
Speaker 1: worth it to me, dude.
Speaker 3: But then you gotta consider a quantum immortality. Do you
Speaker 3: actually die or do you just go back to another
Speaker 3: point in your lifeline or do you go into another
Speaker 3: lifeline or do you just cease to exist?
Speaker 1: I have my own beliefs on that one. Once I die,
Speaker 1: I know where I go. I'm in my travel arrangements
Speaker 1: a long time ago. But that's just Jacob, That's just me.
Speaker 3: But what if it doesn't mean that, like the simulation
Speaker 3: theory or at least the metaphysical multiverse portion of it,
Speaker 3: doesn't go against Christianity.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't disagree with the multiverse or multi dimensional
Speaker 1: or extraterrestrial life or any I don't disagree with any
Speaker 1: of those things. I believe that all of those are
Speaker 1: happening at the exact same time, and that the God
Speaker 1: that I worship, or the Creator or the code writer
Speaker 1: to certain people, either way you want to call it
Speaker 1: or paint that, I believe that that being is smart
Speaker 1: enough and capable enough to make all of these things
Speaker 1: happen on top of each other. And the bitch of
Speaker 1: it is, the only way existence can work is if
Speaker 1: we have all of this extra shit happening, because it's
Speaker 1: like a Grandfather clock. There are so many gears and
Speaker 1: cogs inside of that thing that we can't see, but
Speaker 1: without them, the clock won't work. Is it overcomplicated? Yes?
Speaker 1: Is it over engineered? Yes? Does it literally have to be? Yes?
Speaker 1: And I believe that for whatever reason, the catch twenty
Speaker 1: two of existence is that for every high, there's got
Speaker 1: to be a low. For every peak, there's a valley.
Speaker 1: For every good, there's an evil. There's a harmonious balance that,
Speaker 1: whether we like it or not, has to exist with
Speaker 1: all these layers of infinity topped all over each other,
Speaker 1: because that's the only way that this equilibrium that we
Speaker 1: found can even work.
Speaker 3: Well. The thing that kind of messes me up is
Speaker 3: there's an interview with Bob Lazaar, Yeah, where he's talking
Speaker 3: about the confidence or classified documents or classified file about religion,
Speaker 3: and it's a massive book and he's spread through it,
Speaker 3: I guess, and they how they kept referring to human
Speaker 3: beings is as containers. That's all that they would refer
Speaker 3: to humans as its containers, and he never expounds on
Speaker 3: containers of what or what what for? Like why that
Speaker 3: that portion of it messes me up because are we
Speaker 3: just containers like for the uh Man Now I'm drawing
Speaker 3: a blank on names all the time. But in the
Speaker 3: Book of Enoch with the different in Naki gods that
Speaker 3: came down and they inhabited other bodies in order to
Speaker 3: prolong their life cycle.
Speaker 1: Depending on who you for that maybe depending on who
Speaker 1: you ask, those Anonachi gods may have led to the
Speaker 1: prophet you could praise be under his name, praise that
Speaker 1: led to the creation of white people, Like it really
Speaker 1: depends on which school of thought you come from. Nation
Speaker 1: of Islam. I'm sure as hell believes that, but whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I mean, it's all of for speculation. But Jacob,
Speaker 2: I kind of did want to get your opinion on this,
Speaker 2: and just hypothetically speaking, if if you weren't and I
Speaker 2: don't mean this in any kind of wrongful way, but
Speaker 2: if you weren't raised religiously and you were looking at
Speaker 2: this just from your own perspective and not not you know,
Speaker 2: suggestible from religion. Whenever we're talking about like you know,
Speaker 2: these different dimensions of reality or aliens and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Are there different thought processes that then go into your mind,
Speaker 2: Like whenever you see aliens or somebody's talking about multiple
Speaker 2: dimensions or something like that, do you have two thoughts
Speaker 2: the one that says, well, this is what the book says,
Speaker 2: but do you have another thought that says it could
Speaker 2: also be this conjured from my own mind?
Speaker 1: So okay, So going off of like, let's say I
Speaker 1: was never born into a Christian household. I grew up
Speaker 1: in some village and not like third world country off
Speaker 1: the beaten path countryside of High Germany. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, We grew up in a non religious household.
Speaker 1: Just kind of whatever about whatever? Right? I mean?
Speaker 2: You could have grown up in my childhood and that
Speaker 2: could be, okay, your experience fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 1: When I would look at aliens or interdimensional beings or
Speaker 1: the glowing orbs that seem to be sentient or whatever,
Speaker 1: all of these things, my just being me, my logical
Speaker 1: brain would definitely believe in some sort of a creator
Speaker 1: or group of creators or creative force or something to
Speaker 1: that realm. Because this is way too intricate to not
Speaker 1: be by intelligent design, there's no way all this shit
Speaker 1: accidentally just poofed into existence, right, That's that's phallically laughable anyway,
Speaker 1: So that aside, how would I look at these beings.
Speaker 1: I would see them as potentially where the spawn of
Speaker 1: religion would come from. And I could absolutely understand that
Speaker 1: logical process of aliens visit ancient man and gives him
Speaker 1: the basics I'm not even talking about, like cranes and rigging,
Speaker 1: and like the basics of how to start a fucking fire,
Speaker 1: how to you know, not eat your own shit? Like
Speaker 1: I could see that being a sure the human beings
Speaker 1: take that run with it. We have evolution and the
Speaker 1: humans praise these beings as some sort of a deity,
Speaker 1: and now we know those to be gods. One thing
Speaker 1: leads to another, it spins off to the world's main religions.
Speaker 1: That process makes sense to me, sure.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess more so.
Speaker 3: You know, I talk about my dad a lot, but
Speaker 3: he was that he was a theology scholar. And I
Speaker 3: asked him, what if aliens just landed on the White
Speaker 3: House lawn and we all knew that they were real, now,
Speaker 3: what would that do to Christianity? And he said, well,
Speaker 3: it just means that we've got a larger mission field.
Speaker 1: Yep. He doesn't disprove the Bible to me even a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 3: Okay, but if man is made in God's image and
Speaker 3: they are different from us, whose image are they made in?
Speaker 1: May I postulate that we don't know what the image
Speaker 1: of God actually?
Speaker 3: Twic's what he said.
Speaker 1: I mean, look to that point. Does it mean two
Speaker 1: eyes and a forward facing head? Does it mean five
Speaker 1: fingers and toes? Does it mean a soul with conscious thought?
Speaker 1: And that's what he meant? This flesh suit? And even
Speaker 1: what the fuck he meant when he said his image?
Speaker 1: Did he mean our soul is made in his image?
Speaker 1: There's so many levels you could break that down, bro.
Speaker 2: Well, and then you could also go on like this
Speaker 2: is where I you know, I like to kind of
Speaker 2: veer off the path here, all right? It said that,
Speaker 2: you know, God made us in his image according to
Speaker 2: the Bible? Right, Well, what about the rest of the animals?
Speaker 2: What image were they made in?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What was he thinking whenever he created a fucking how
Speaker 2: with two stomachs? You know what I'm saying? What was
Speaker 2: he thinking whenever he created man's best friend the dog?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 2: I'm like, all these weird things a tree, Like, what
Speaker 2: was he thinking whenever he created the fucking my celial
Speaker 2: network of mushrooms underground that allow these these plants to
Speaker 2: communicate with each other?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: And what what thought did he have that he that
Speaker 2: he like conjured up the idea to even create that.
Speaker 2: That's I think that is some crazy shit, which it
Speaker 2: doesn't get into biblically.
Speaker 3: But was this his first attempt?
Speaker 1: Another great question? That's see, And I get a lot
Speaker 1: of shit for saying that. I don't believe the Bible's
Speaker 1: word for were boom boom boom. I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things open to interpretation, especially when you look
Speaker 1: at Genesis, the creation story. Could it have been boom
Speaker 1: boom boom exactly as it said? Possibly? Could that be
Speaker 1: the overarching story to answer the big questions without going
Speaker 1: into grave detail because we're humans and we can't understand
Speaker 1: the vast concepts of that type of quantum theories and shit.
Speaker 1: Very possibly, Well, before.
Speaker 2: You even go a little bit farther, I don't mean
Speaker 2: to cut you off, but before you can go a
Speaker 2: little bit farther into that, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Jesus was a Jew right, Yeah, correct, So King the
Speaker 2: Old the Old Testament were his actual beliefs, and if
Speaker 2: everybody in Christianity follows Jesus, then you would also have
Speaker 2: to follow his beliefs.
Speaker 1: Right, No, well, yes and no. He said that he
Speaker 1: did not come to remove the old laws. He came
Speaker 1: to fulfill them. And as Christians, right we are. He said,
Speaker 1: there is no more Jews and Gentiles. There is no
Speaker 1: more of that shit. There is either God's children or
Speaker 1: not God's children. You either accept his grace or you
Speaker 1: don't like. Whatever tribe you come from, whatever skin color
Speaker 1: you are, whatever class of society you were born into.
Speaker 1: That's gone. Now that you know.
Speaker 3: That's different theories on that, because we're going to get
Speaker 3: into Calvinists and Arminianism because predestination versus free will, and
Speaker 3: that's still a massive debate.
Speaker 1: I believe both are happening at the same time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But if he knows everything and has a plan
Speaker 3: for everything, and knows the outcome of everything, then that
Speaker 3: means he knows who's going to accept and who isn't.
Speaker 3: So it's still predestination.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that he still gives us the free will
Speaker 1: to choose, even though he knows what we're about to choose.
Speaker 2: The illusion of free will created us.
Speaker 1: All right, So I have an example for this, and
Speaker 1: I've given this on the show before. It's been a
Speaker 1: while since I had the free will versus destiny debate.
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you this, Maddie. Where where
Speaker 1: in this mix is the right and wrong or clear
Speaker 1: cut answer to the situation. Okay, A couple of years back,
Speaker 1: single dad, I have my five year or I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: with three year old son and my one year old
Speaker 1: daughter with me at home. Cool. I'm cooking on the stove.
Speaker 1: Now I turn because I gotta do something in the
Speaker 1: sink and I have to leave the stone the stove on.
Speaker 1: My three year old son is like by my side.
Speaker 1: He's watching how to cook. I'm teaching him young because
Speaker 1: we're in Louisiana and that's how we do things. So
Speaker 1: I turn and I tell him, listen, buddy, don't touch
Speaker 1: the stove.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, he's been burned before. He knows what
Speaker 1: fire does. He knows it's hot. Okay, it's not like
Speaker 1: this is the first time and it's a discovery thing.
Speaker 1: I tell him, buddy, don't touch the stove. It's hot.
Speaker 1: I gotta do this, but it's gonna burn. You. Do
Speaker 1: not touch the stove. Now I know what he's about
Speaker 1: to do, clearly.
Speaker 3: Three.
Speaker 1: I'm fully aware. But but some lessons have to be
Speaker 1: learned the hard way, and that's just the bitch of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now he's already learned this lesson once before, So here's
Speaker 1: no misunderstandings as far as like, oh, you're a bad dad.
Speaker 1: You should know he knows the fire is cool. I turn,
Speaker 1: I do what I'm doing as soon as they do.
Speaker 1: I hear it. That's it. I know it. He's burned.
Speaker 1: It's all good. It's a little burn on the finger,
Speaker 1: No big deal, right, Okay, Now I pre knew what
Speaker 1: he was going to do, but I still gave him
Speaker 1: the free will to do it. Now, where's the clear
Speaker 1: cut on that? Was it destiny or do we have.
Speaker 3: Free weeper into it? Because then you've got the part
Speaker 3: and whole principle, because what you're talking about is sin
Speaker 3: versus not sinning. But with the part and whole principle,
Speaker 3: if you're dwelling on doing something you're not supposed to
Speaker 3: do in God's eyes, you've already committed that sin. So
Speaker 3: in a human aspect of it. Why not just do
Speaker 3: it if you're already guilty.
Speaker 1: Okay, now, let me throw an extra inch in the
Speaker 1: gears real quick. Unbeknownst to my son, before he touched
Speaker 1: the stove, my one year old daughter walked up behind him.
Speaker 1: He didn't know. Okay, when he touched the stove, he
Speaker 1: reared back elbows her in the face. Now she has
Speaker 1: a broken nose. Who did nothing wrong, wrong place, wrong time.
Speaker 1: Bad shit happens to good people. Where's the predestiny versus
Speaker 1: face versus whatever in this?
Speaker 3: Let's let's go with the oracle and the matrix. Had
Speaker 3: you not told him not to touch the stove, would
Speaker 3: he have even noticed the stove?
Speaker 1: He was literally standing next to me, cooking with me.
Speaker 3: He knew the stove was there, but would he have
Speaker 3: had the thought to touch it? And then he busted
Speaker 3: his sister.
Speaker 1: So let's put that to the road. The rules. He
Speaker 1: told us, hey, do these things. Don't do this stuff,
Speaker 1: And he told us what would happen if we did
Speaker 1: this stuff. He's giving us the free will to do
Speaker 1: what the hell we want with. He knows what we're
Speaker 1: going to do, because he literally made all this. He
Speaker 1: knows what's up. But he's still giving us the free
Speaker 1: will to make our choices so that when the time
Speaker 1: comes when we do have to stand in account for it,
Speaker 1: we have to stand on our choices.
Speaker 2: I'm about to blow some minds very quick, okay, for
Speaker 2: I think that it actually is both, because I think
Speaker 2: that it's called destiny called fate. I prefer destiny over
Speaker 2: fate I think is kind of fatal and not a
Speaker 2: good thing anyway.
Speaker 3: Is what you make?
Speaker 2: Right? Right? You know you'd like to see homos nakedated?
Speaker 2: I know, I just it made me think of that.
Speaker 2: But check it out, all right. So in any given situation,
Speaker 2: most people in their minds have two things, two possible
Speaker 2: things that they can do in any kind of situation,
Speaker 2: either A I'm gonna do this or B I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do that, whatever it is. At every single every single
Speaker 2: move that you make, you probably only have two choices
Speaker 2: in your mind. And usually depending on if you're in
Speaker 2: a good mood or a bad mood, that's how that
Speaker 2: will go. Like, if you're in a good mood, maybe
Speaker 2: you'll make the better choice. If you're in a bad mood, MA,
Speaker 2: fuck this whole day right yesterday, dude, yesterday was just
Speaker 2: from start to finish an absolute shit day for me.
Speaker 2: Yesterday well, with the exception of a show that we
Speaker 2: went on but which was awesome. By the way, definitely
Speaker 2: go check out the Nephelin Death Squad. We just made
Speaker 2: a guest appearance on there, talked about the Shroud of
Speaker 2: Turn which has been a little minute, but yeah, we
Speaker 2: just made some new homies over there. It was awesome.
Speaker 3: We did gel Like you guys have done a bunch
Speaker 3: of shows on the Shroud of Turnad.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we keep getting invited places to talk about
Speaker 1: and it's like, all right, I'm down to me.
Speaker 3: I listened to the one you did with the Tinfoil
Speaker 3: hat podcast where you talked about it the first time,
Speaker 3: I think, and I'm like, dude, to me, it's just
Speaker 3: an old cloth.
Speaker 1: So so hold on, you know that.
Speaker 3: I know there's so much more to it, but like
Speaker 3: I just I don't care.
Speaker 1: I get that, I get there, but it is. It
Speaker 1: is the most heavily uh studied and scrutinized artifact in
Speaker 1: history that we have, Like more so than all the
Speaker 1: tombs and all the mummies and all the everything. This
Speaker 1: artifact has been analyzed and reanalyzed and all it's insane,
Speaker 1: and it's still somehow debated. It's but all right, look,
Speaker 1: I care about these things.
Speaker 2: I do want to get back.
Speaker 3: It's but go ahead.
Speaker 2: I do want to get back to the shroud. But
Speaker 2: I wanted to finish out this thought first. So all right,
Speaker 2: Let's say you always have two possible outcomes, or two
Speaker 2: possible choices to any kind of decision that you're about
Speaker 2: to make in your mind. You're limited for the most
Speaker 2: part to those two choices. It's a very binary system.
Speaker 2: You know, you want to go red, you want to
Speaker 2: go blue, you want to go black, you want to
Speaker 2: go white. You're playing check checkers or chess, you're gonna
Speaker 2: go you know, black piece, white piece, whatever. Right, It
Speaker 2: always seems to be a very binary kind of system.
Speaker 2: And I would suggest that that is where destiny really
Speaker 2: plays into it. Or if you want to talk about
Speaker 2: maybe God's will or God's plan of whatever, you know
Speaker 2: you're going to be going through because if you're if
Speaker 2: you're looking at like a maze, for example, usually if
Speaker 2: you're an amaze, you're in one of those like corn
Speaker 2: mazes or you know whatever, those those weird what are
Speaker 2: those like a labyrinth kind of thing. I was thinking,
Speaker 2: like those those trap shit, what do they call it?
Speaker 2: Something like that anyway, But if you're in one of those,
Speaker 2: you can usually only go left or right or forward
Speaker 2: or backward right, and so you're very limited on your choice.
Speaker 2: So is that ages escape room? That's where I was
Speaker 2: trying to go. But whenever you have two choices, is
Speaker 2: it necessarily free will? If it's narrowed down to only
Speaker 2: two choices? And I'll take it even a step further here,
Speaker 2: all right, So what they've discovered at the quantum level
Speaker 2: is that you know, in all reality there's ones in zeros,
Speaker 2: but in the quantum, in the quantum realm, in the
Speaker 2: at the at a very tiny quantum perspective, it's not
Speaker 2: one or zero. It can be one and zero or
Speaker 2: zero and one, or zero and zero or one and
Speaker 2: one and all these different combinations of it. So maybe
Speaker 2: at the quantum realm, which I would will, I think
Speaker 2: it's an illusion of free will. It's basically what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get to. And not not necessarily to say
Speaker 2: that like we're being controlled or or something like that.
Speaker 2: I just think that we have limited capabilities. You know,
Speaker 2: we talk about on here before it's like, all right,
Speaker 2: well we can only see one percent of the light spectrum. Okay,
Speaker 2: well that's definitely a thing. That means we can't see
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of whatever the fuck is all around us,
Speaker 2: all the different light, all the different you know, all
Speaker 2: the different colors and everything.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I just think that this reality we're very limited as
Speaker 2: far as our capabilities physically go. I think physically, but
Speaker 2: I think the rest is mental and maybe even mentally
Speaker 2: we're a little bit limited as well.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, well, you also have all those stories of children
Speaker 3: seeing ghosts and stuff like that, like maybe they're more
Speaker 3: open to that realm.
Speaker 1: I personally believe that I had a demonic and angelic
Speaker 1: experience in my adolescence. I fully believe that children have
Speaker 1: uh what's the word. Depending on which school thought you
Speaker 1: come from, you could argue that it's because their pineal
Speaker 1: glands haven't been calcified enough to discern between the spiritual
Speaker 1: realm and the real world real world. Excuse me, And
Speaker 1: I've heard that said before, and that there's some facts
Speaker 1: to that. I also believe that certain people are born
Speaker 1: more spiritually attuned than others. You have certain people that
Speaker 1: pick up on vibes a lot better and easier than
Speaker 1: other people. And I'm not saying I'm one of those.
Speaker 1: Mine could be a complete fluke for all I know.
Speaker 1: I believe that these entities reach out to specific people
Speaker 1: for specific reasons at different points in life. But to
Speaker 1: your point, yes, children, I believe absolutely. If you look
Speaker 1: on Mass how many people experience ghosts or shadow man
Speaker 1: or whatever kind of these these figures, these entities whatever,
Speaker 1: on Mass it's children more than adults. Now, A little
Speaker 1: bit of that can be attributed to a child's imagination,
Speaker 1: and like the thing in their closet that in the
Speaker 1: dark looks scary, come to find out it's a sweater
Speaker 1: that was balled up, a little bit of that. Yes,
Speaker 1: But I truly do believe that children are more open
Speaker 1: to spirituality being like in their face than adults are.
Speaker 2: Well, and the reason behind that could be And this
Speaker 2: is something that I learned. I didn't know that this
Speaker 2: was even a thing. But as we talk about like
Speaker 2: the brain wave state and stuff like that, there's alpha, beta, theta,
Speaker 2: and delta right well, as a little kid, they they
Speaker 2: have to they have to grow into you know, almost
Speaker 2: like their little minds have to evolve over time because
Speaker 2: as a little kid, and especially little babies, I mean
Speaker 2: babies sleep most of the day, right, So most of
Speaker 2: the day they're in delta, which is sleep, and whenever
Speaker 2: they're awake, they're in theta, right. So this is why
Speaker 2: they're possibly able to see, you know, monsters in the
Speaker 2: closet or goes under the bed or whatever, right like
Speaker 2: all these little things, because they're in that data state
Speaker 2: of mind, which is only happening the moments before you
Speaker 2: fall asleep, or the moment right after you wake up,
Speaker 2: or whenever you're in a meditative state such as a hypnosis.
Speaker 2: This is why you're able to perceive those things under
Speaker 2: a hips or in a meditation, because you're in that
Speaker 2: data state of mind, which if you ever had one
Speaker 2: of those feelings. I know, Jacob, you don't really dream
Speaker 2: all that often, but dude, this happens to me all
Speaker 2: the time. Right before I'm about to fall asleep, I'll
Speaker 2: start music.
Speaker 3: You hear the music before you go into a lucid dream.
Speaker 2: Oh well, not necessarily a lucid dream, but right before
Speaker 2: I go to sleep. Sometimes I'll start dreaming before I'm asleep,
Speaker 2: and I know that I'm still awake. You ever had
Speaker 2: that before?
Speaker 3: I hear colliope music.
Speaker 1: What kind of your music? Is it a harp? Dude?
Speaker 3: Is it what you're listening to? Like a circus?
Speaker 1: That is I'm jealous. I'm jealous of you.
Speaker 3: And then also when I getting real excited and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh it's about to.
Speaker 1: Go down, I'm jealous of you too. You fucking can
Speaker 1: halfway dream when you're still in the practice sleep.
Speaker 3: I've been practicing since twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: Damn to be aware in your dream so that you
Speaker 2: can have more lucid Yeah, hell yeah, dude. It's it's
Speaker 2: hard to stick to because sometimes you just want to crash,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So you have to go into a log. You've got
Speaker 3: to do it the same way every time. You've got
Speaker 3: to have a mantra. Right.
Speaker 1: A buddy Line of the Marine Corps that did that.
Speaker 1: He kept a dream journal and the way that he
Speaker 1: was able and I didn't know any of the science
Speaker 1: behind lucid dreaming. This was back twenty eleven. He was
Speaker 1: fucking around with this and he realized after about two
Speaker 1: weeks of keeping notes of his dreams his thing that
Speaker 1: he would notice. And it's funny that y'all mentioned time
Speaker 1: and clocks. As a matter of fact, his thing that
Speaker 1: he would notice it'd always be a clock, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't a digital clock. It'd be a clock with arms
Speaker 1: on it that would have like a thousand numbers on it.
Speaker 1: That would be the thing that he would see somewhere
Speaker 1: in his walk through where he would realize, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: in a dream and he would just like do whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck he wanted. And I'm like, I thought he
Speaker 1: was full of shit. And then as I met you, Jonathan,
Speaker 1: and have learned more about these states of being, these
Speaker 1: states of dreaming and all of that, it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: my boy's probably a full on show Almond right now,
Speaker 1: somewhere off in the mountains, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Probably, dude. But where I was trying to get to
Speaker 2: is that you know, little kids they walk around, especially
Speaker 2: like if you're under seven, this is what they say,
Speaker 2: like usually it's in the the baby until you're about
Speaker 2: six or six and a half years old, that you're
Speaker 2: walking around in the Theta state of mind, which is
Speaker 2: why they're able to learn at a much faster pace
Speaker 2: than grown ups, because that's the best way to be
Speaker 2: able to learn That's that's why a lot of people
Speaker 2: they go to sleep listening to affirmations because the subconscious
Speaker 2: is there or you're also listening to it right before
Speaker 2: you fall to right before you fall asleep, so you're
Speaker 2: you're getting that information as you're in that data state
Speaker 2: of mind, you're able to soak that up even more.
Speaker 2: So that's like the scientific reason. But like moving forward,
Speaker 2: the older you get, then you start to develop, all right, Well,
Speaker 2: once the kid turns six or seven or eight, it's
Speaker 2: usually somewhere in there that they then learn how to
Speaker 2: go into that light trance mode where it's not as
Speaker 2: such of a like a crazy trance as THETA is,
Speaker 2: but it's in that light trance where you're kind of
Speaker 2: like watching TV or whatever, and you're you're kind of
Speaker 2: paying it tension, but you're also still not fully here
Speaker 2: in like the physical world like you are, but like
Speaker 2: mentally you're still also like in that imagination kind of mind,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then it's not until
Speaker 2: like ten or eleven that they actually develop into beta.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I said. Alpha is the light trans Alpha
Speaker 2: is the light trans Beta is the fully aware. But
Speaker 2: like that's why you know, little kids they stop believing
Speaker 2: in Santa Claus usually around seven, eight, nine ten, somewhere
Speaker 2: in there. They stop believing in toofair, they stop believing
Speaker 2: in the Easter Bunny and shit like that, because now
Speaker 2: they're more guy, I guess, like experienced in this physical world.
Speaker 2: So they're you know what I mean like, And so
Speaker 2: that's why they're that's why there's so much I don't
Speaker 2: want to say gullible, but this is why they're They
Speaker 2: able to have that imagination and they can play with
Speaker 2: toys and great old scenes and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But I still play with trucks like I could still tear.
Speaker 2: It, get down with some legos, dude all day.
Speaker 1: Fuck it. But but anyway, this too though, as far
Speaker 1: as the uh, the sleeping goes. Dude, I remember how
Speaker 1: we told about ASMR and I told you I had
Speaker 1: found my ASMR. Dude, I have to tell you it's
Speaker 1: been confirmed now because we just had that hurricane blow
Speaker 1: through or Hurricane fran scene. Bro. I had shingles ripped
Speaker 1: off my roof the storm. The eye of the storm
Speaker 1: passed over us. I slept like a baby. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the sound of chaos and just shit going everywhere. Oh
Speaker 1: my God, it was out cold. It was beautiful, beautiful
Speaker 1: some to it.
Speaker 2: Dude, And you know, it's funny, we were actually listen
Speaker 2: this is this is gonna sound like a little deranged,
Speaker 2: but like we were listening to this like super weird
Speaker 2: meditation the other day on Meta Mysteries, and it was
Speaker 2: like really really fucking chaotic, Like you're listening to it
Speaker 2: and you're like, these are very like strange sounds that
Speaker 2: you'd never heard, and so it kind of would probably
Speaker 2: stress out a regular person. But for me, dude, I
Speaker 2: was like, I can relax now. And my said was
Speaker 2: I do big time. But my mindset was, oh, finally
Speaker 2: something that is crazier in the mind than me, you know,
Speaker 2: isn't that weird?
Speaker 3: Well, I listened to bineural beats and multidirectional tones a lot,
Speaker 3: and especially if I'm trying to concentrate on something, and
Speaker 3: if I get binural beats or music with that's just
Speaker 3: bineural and goes back and forth, it helps me concentrate.
Speaker 3: But then when I do the multidirectional tones, it actually
Speaker 3: massages my brain. Like it's so weird. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: mostly what I listened to. I think it was like
Speaker 3: Reality Revolution back back in the day when I would
Speaker 3: try and have a guided meditation or guided lucid dream,
Speaker 3: and there's a ton of them now, but that was
Speaker 3: the best one that I found.
Speaker 1: You say directional, we're not just talking about like like
Speaker 1: going from left to right ear like. It sounds like
Speaker 1: it's going like from.
Speaker 3: Forward to the front of your head. It's so weird
Speaker 3: how they can do it with just headphones.
Speaker 1: Now, that is insane. And this I've never even heard
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: And this is exactly where we go back into the
Speaker 2: mind possibly of the MK ultra Thomas Crooks.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we've gotten way off the path
Speaker 1: of the Trump situation and we have Maddy Ice on
Speaker 1: we do need to get back to it.
Speaker 2: Well, no, because we're trying to get into the mind
Speaker 2: of somebody who's being manipulated, and especially somebody at a
Speaker 2: young age who was picked on. Maybe he wants to
Speaker 2: take a little bit of control of his life. He
Speaker 2: was probably approached by CIA, FBI, some kind of agency
Speaker 2: that is very uh not good, you know, And who's
Speaker 2: to say they wouldn't just take advantage of it. They
Speaker 2: they they target those kind of uh individuals, right right,
Speaker 2: I mean dude, it doesn't take a lot to convince
Speaker 2: somebody who is kind of kicked in the dirt, who
Speaker 2: doesn't have a lot going for them, is always picked on,
Speaker 2: doesn't have high confidence, somebody who just wants to get
Speaker 2: back at the fucking world that has been picking on
Speaker 2: me my entire life. And wouldn't the best way to
Speaker 2: take advantage of that situation if you were to capitalize
Speaker 2: on somebody like that, all right, you want to change
Speaker 2: history for the rest of the world. Your name will
Speaker 2: go down to the history books to take out this
Speaker 2: evil orange man. I don't know. I think that would
Speaker 2: be pretty easy to convince somebody like that.
Speaker 3: And I believe it was nineteen ninety two the United States.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was the military or the
Speaker 3: CIA or whoever, but they had a patent on electronic
Speaker 3: Manipulation of the nervous system or digital manipulation of the
Speaker 3: nervous system, and it had a diagram with basically it
Speaker 3: looked like a picture of a TV with waves coming
Speaker 3: out and going into somebody's brain. That patent expired and
Speaker 3: Purdue University in twenty eighteen came out with a massive
Speaker 3: study on subliminal manipulation of the nervous system with electronic equipment,
Speaker 3: so they don't even have to be in the room
Speaker 3: with you. They don't They can just send a signal
Speaker 3: and it subliminally goes into your mind and can implant
Speaker 3: an idea. And the study that they cited was they
Speaker 3: had somebody just was supposed to just sit in this
Speaker 3: room and complete a task and then just wait for
Speaker 3: them to come back in the room. And this dude
Speaker 3: was doing whatever task they had and then he just
Speaker 3: got up, left the building, went down the street to
Speaker 3: a gas station, bought a coke, and then came back
Speaker 3: and they're like, why'd you leave? He goes, I wanted
Speaker 3: a coke, but we told you not to. And he's like,
Speaker 3: I just felt like I was thirsty, and I knew
Speaker 3: that I wanted a Coca Cola. And they had been
Speaker 3: playing or basically bombarding his nervous system with these waves,
Speaker 3: and the one thing that they kept saying over and
Speaker 3: over again was you're thirsty, You're thirsty, You're thirsty, until
Speaker 3: the point where he just had enough and he just
Speaker 3: got up and left and then came back.
Speaker 1: Wow, I got it pulled up.
Speaker 2: I got it pulled up right here, let's go this
Speaker 2: is off of justia patents dot com. But it gets
Speaker 2: into certain this might be the one that you're talking about,
Speaker 2: but this is. If it's not, then it's a very
Speaker 2: closely related one. Subliminal acoustic manipulation of nervous systems.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that kind has expired. It's actually outdated and
Speaker 3: they have way better technology that they can use now.
Speaker 3: In fact, Budweiser and McDonald's boasted last year that they
Speaker 3: would be able to advertise to their customers in their
Speaker 3: sleep before the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You know, I bet Budweiser was looking into doing this.
Speaker 1: They really took a step in the wrong direction when
Speaker 1: they went woke and then like went back on their
Speaker 1: wokeness and then bud Light was considered like the gayest
Speaker 1: beer of all time and all that type of shit.
Speaker 1: I bet bud Wiser was looking at doing some subliminal
Speaker 1: shit to get sales back up.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean yeah, Shane Gillis is like the
Speaker 2: fucking the trophy wife of bud Wiser now, but.
Speaker 1: They had to go so far in the opposite direction.
Speaker 1: The guy that can just offend everybody but make everybody
Speaker 1: feel good about it. They had him and post Malone.
Speaker 2: Right right, Well, I want to.
Speaker 3: Just made a song called a Guy for That with
Speaker 3: Luke Combs. I guess his name, And one of the
Speaker 3: lines is I know a vip up at M I
Speaker 3: T who still won't let me drive the time machine?
Speaker 1: What does he say that? Or does does the old
Speaker 1: country singer say that?
Speaker 3: Luke Combes? Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, Luke Comb said it. Wait isn't that the one
Speaker 1: that looks like Beavis?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, well he I don't know if he looks
Speaker 3: like Beavis, but.
Speaker 1: He was the judge from America whatever American idol.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're thinking of the guy who's with
Speaker 2: fucking is it Christina Aguilera or some shit?
Speaker 1: No, no, not Blake Shelton. He was the one that
Speaker 1: was next to Katy Perry listening to like All the Wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy is Luke Comb.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, Luke Comb's good old country boy. That's
Speaker 1: good things right there. Yeah?
Speaker 2: All right, So I want to read this out because
Speaker 2: I was starting to skim through it, and holy shit, dude,
Speaker 2: this is a patent, all right. So the subliminal acoustic
Speaker 2: manipulation of nervous systems, this was patented, I believe in
Speaker 2: oh on Halloween nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3: It says that's when this article was written.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's when this was written.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: It says in human subjects, sensory resonances can be excited
Speaker 2: by some liminal atmospheric acoustic pulses that are tuned to
Speaker 2: the resonant frequency. The half Hurts sensory resonance affects the
Speaker 2: atomic autonomic nervous system and may cause relaxation, drowsiness, or
Speaker 2: sexual excitement, depending on the precise acoustic acoustic frequency near
Speaker 2: a half of a Hurtz used. The effects of the
Speaker 2: two and a half Hurts resonance include a slowing of
Speaker 2: certain cortical processes, sleepiness, and disorientation. For these effects to occur,
Speaker 2: the acoustic intensity must lie in a certain deeply subliminal range.
Speaker 2: Suitable apparatus consists of a portable, battery powered source of
Speaker 2: weak subaudio acoustic radiation. The method and apparatus can be
Speaker 2: used by the general public as an aid to relaxation, sleep,
Speaker 2: or sexual arousal, and clinically for the control and perhaps
Speaker 2: treatment of insomnia, tremors, epileptic seizures, and anxiety disorders. There
Speaker 2: is further application as a non lethal weapon that can
Speaker 2: be used in law enforcement standoff situations for causing drowsiness
Speaker 2: and disorientation in targeted subjects.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they used to disperse crowds now. But
Speaker 3: the thing that I was actually referencing, do you remember
Speaker 3: in Desert Storm? Well when was Desert Storm? Was that
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, So at the beginning of the Golf Coast whatever thing,
Speaker 3: all of the Iraqi soldiers were just surrendering in mass
Speaker 3: to whatever American they could find. They would just surrender,
Speaker 3: and they it's not like that they were inexperienced or
Speaker 3: bad soldiers. They had just been at seven year war
Speaker 3: with Iran and had been battle tested and hardened warriors,
Speaker 3: and they're just surrendering. And the Iraqi intelligence found a
Speaker 3: radio tower in the town of Kafji in Saudi Arabia
Speaker 3: that was broadcasting a subliminal signal out over all of
Speaker 3: Iraq and Saddam Hussein. The only large ground battle that
Speaker 3: the Iraqi army actually accomplished was the Battle of Kafji,
Speaker 3: and the only objective they had was destroy that radio tower.
Speaker 3: And once they did that, their army or personnel stopped
Speaker 3: surrendering and they found out that the signal that was
Speaker 3: broadcasting was giving a feeling of hopelessness.
Speaker 1: To be honest, that wasn't a bad feeling for them
Speaker 1: to have, because even once they did start fighting back,
Speaker 1: we had the entire country pretty much wrapped up with
Speaker 1: a bow in two weeks because the nobody actually knew
Speaker 1: what the United States military industrial complex was capable love
Speaker 1: up into and including radio waves that can mentally fuck
Speaker 1: with the enemy. No one had known that we had
Speaker 1: that type of technology, and allegedly we may or may not.
Speaker 1: I think this article breaks it down, but Desert Storm
Speaker 1: was pretty much the politicians didn't have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: tell everybody to slow down and make a game of
Speaker 1: it and make it time consuming and money concerned.
Speaker 3: We need.
Speaker 1: Well see, there's a whole other thought process on that.
Speaker 1: We did bring it up slightly when we talked about
Speaker 1: Saddam Hussein's space gun. That was a whole thing. But allegedly,
Speaker 1: not only was he trying to make a space cannon,
Speaker 1: he may or may not have been making a stargate
Speaker 1: that King Nebukanezer used to go to the other side.
Speaker 1: The whole thing on that, it's the whole thing but
Speaker 1: to your point, Yeah, Desert Storm was so wild and
Speaker 1: quick because the military was pretty much let off the
Speaker 1: leash to go and attack before the politicians had time
Speaker 1: to make rules of engagement and how we have to
Speaker 1: do it. It was done in like two weeks, So
Speaker 1: I think this actually has more of a legis stand
Speaker 1: all on what people really give it credit for.
Speaker 2: Dude, check this shit out. It gets even crazier. It
Speaker 2: says there is an embodiment suitable for law enforcement operations
Speaker 2: in which a subject's nervous system is manipulated from a
Speaker 2: considerable distance, as in a standoff situation. Subliminal subaudio acoustic
Speaker 2: pulses that the subject's location may may then be induced
Speaker 2: by acoustic waves radiating from a venting acoustic monopole or
Speaker 2: by a pulsed air jet, especially when aimed at the
Speaker 2: subject or at another material surface where the jet velocity
Speaker 2: fluctuations are wholly or partly converted into static pressure fluctuations.
Speaker 2: The described psychological effects occur only if the intensity of
Speaker 2: the acoustic simulation or stimulation falls in a certain range
Speaker 2: called the the effective intensity window. This window has been
Speaker 2: measured in exploratory fashion for the two and a half
Speaker 2: hurts resonance.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: That is nuts.
Speaker 3: Along with that, with the technology that we have now
Speaker 3: since this is almost twenty five years old, imagine with
Speaker 3: the ability that they have to manipulate your algorithm in
Speaker 3: the videos that you see on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, all
Speaker 3: of that stuff. If there's a frequency or a blue
Speaker 3: light or whatever that is giving you subliminal messages, and
Speaker 3: they are constantly bombarding you with one specific rabbit hole
Speaker 3: or one specific thought process, and then have this subliminally
Speaker 3: going into you. So you see a video about Donald
Speaker 3: Trump being bad and it's given you a US subliminal message,
Speaker 3: and then you see another video of Donald Trump being bad,
Speaker 3: and then you see another one. So you're just in
Speaker 3: your own echo chamber of manipulation, right.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and also if you're putting people into a
Speaker 2: weaker state of mind via you know, certain acoustic pulses
Speaker 2: that are messing with your you know, your nervous system,
Speaker 2: and then you're feeding in that subliminal information as far
Speaker 2: as Trump is bad, well, now you're putting that person
Speaker 2: at a weaker stance mentally and therefore going to be
Speaker 2: totally accepting of whatever the subliminal message or the outright
Speaker 2: message is because that person is then going to say,
Speaker 2: my brain is obviously not smarter than the brain of
Speaker 2: the person that's telling me this information, so I'm just
Speaker 2: going to go along with it. This is how powerful
Speaker 2: manipulation of the mind is. This is why I'm so fascinated, Jacob,
Speaker 2: This is why I'm so fascinated of everything to do
Speaker 2: with the mind. It's all mental in a in a way,
Speaker 2: I mean really in every way I think. And so oh,
Speaker 2: but the look, there are some certain claims as far
Speaker 2: as this device goes, and I just want to read
Speaker 2: one of them, so dog. One of the claims is,
Speaker 2: or the first claim is that the there's an apparatus
Speaker 2: for manipulating the nervous system of a subject, the subject
Speaker 2: having an ear comprising a generator means a generator means
Speaker 2: for generating voltage pulses. Induction means connected to the generator, meaning, well,
Speaker 2: this is worded very weirdly anyway, that generator is sending
Speaker 2: voltage pulses to your ears. It says for inducing at
Speaker 2: the ear subliminal atmospheric acoustic pulses with a pulse frequency
Speaker 2: of less than fifteen hertz. Dude, this shit is in
Speaker 2: tri ckid. Like, dude, imagine learning that there are certain
Speaker 2: hurtz frequencies that you can target at people in order
Speaker 2: to manipulate them mentally, because we already know that you
Speaker 2: can do this kind of stuff in like a meditation
Speaker 2: or you want to listen to you know whatever kind
Speaker 2: of bineural beats or whatever, and you know how that
Speaker 2: that obviously affects you. But dude, there's always a dark
Speaker 2: side to everything. There is always an azibuves not as
Speaker 2: above so below, but like there's always like a yin
Speaker 2: and a yang to every single thing. You got Christianity,
Speaker 2: which is a big beautiful thing, Well here Satanism, bitch,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, there's always a like
Speaker 2: a manipulation of It's always the opposite of something.
Speaker 1: Like I said, brother, I believe that's the only way
Speaker 1: that this can even work. There has to be equal
Speaker 1: and opposite of each other for harmony to even be
Speaker 1: a topic.
Speaker 2: But doesn't that get back to the binary thing as
Speaker 2: far as free will or you know you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, there's always only two choices.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, Jonathan, that's my point. I
Speaker 1: think it only works if both are happening at the
Speaker 1: same time, it can't happen otherwise. And yes, that is
Speaker 1: so comp alluded that we go into these deep thoughts
Speaker 1: of God knows where we end up. But that's kind
Speaker 1: of the point. It's an unknowable fact. But right, it's
Speaker 1: a unseekable truth.
Speaker 2: But that does that not play in to fate and
Speaker 2: destiny knowing that whatever option you choose, the path is
Speaker 2: already laid out both ways, and so therefore there could
Speaker 2: not be necessarily total absolute free will if there's only
Speaker 2: ever two choices for you to choose from.
Speaker 1: But you still have the choice of which one you're choosing.
Speaker 1: It's like it all comes down to a choice.
Speaker 2: It's like do you want to eat a turd sandwich
Speaker 2: or diarrhea soup. It's like that that's not really much
Speaker 2: of a.
Speaker 1: Choice, but you still have the choice. If you want
Speaker 1: to call it that, I understand it. You're making the
Speaker 1: best of a shitty situation, per the example, but numps.
Speaker 1: But my point is, either way it goes, you actually
Speaker 1: are still making a choice. It's not thrusted upon you
Speaker 1: to where one of these is going to happen or
Speaker 1: the other. You still have to make that decision for yourself.
Speaker 2: And as they say, no choice is still a choice, right.
Speaker 1: Ummm, I don't know. I'm pretty sure that Rush said
Speaker 1: even if you do not choose to decide, you still
Speaker 1: have made a choice, So I know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, dude, it can't happen without it either
Speaker 1: way you look at it. The choice has to be made,
Speaker 1: but fate has to play out. So one of the
Speaker 1: side versus the other, it doesn't matter. I don't think
Speaker 1: these are opposing viewpoints. As a matter of fact, I
Speaker 1: believe they have to be locked in. They can't happen
Speaker 1: without each other.
Speaker 2: So now let's get to all right, So we have
Speaker 2: discovered that there is destiny and free will possibly happening
Speaker 2: at the same time.
Speaker 1: Who knows.
Speaker 2: You're trying to get into the mind of the creator,
Speaker 2: which I know that most people would say absolutely impossible.
Speaker 2: I would suggest it if God was one of us
Speaker 2: cannabis now I think he smokes cannabis, but sure. But
Speaker 2: that being said, is it possible now that that creator
Speaker 2: or the universe or whatever you want to look at it,
Speaker 2: that that being or thing or whatever that created all
Speaker 2: of this kind of illusion? But also like an awesome
Speaker 2: reality to live in, also kind of a shitty reality
Speaker 2: to live in, depending on your perspective. Would that creator
Speaker 2: thing then allow for the possibility of time travel your thoughts.
Speaker 3: I think it would be a hack to the simulation.
Speaker 3: But if time doesn't actually exist and everything's happening concurrently,
Speaker 3: why wouldn't you be able to go to a different
Speaker 3: point within that program.
Speaker 1: I am of the belief that time travel is possible. However,
Speaker 1: I also agree with Matty Ice that that ends the game.
Speaker 2: It has to write.
Speaker 1: Well, you say it's a glitch. I say it actually
Speaker 1: would crumble the matrix. Just my personal beliefs based off
Speaker 1: of nothing other than my own opinion.
Speaker 3: You're thinking about the Umbrella Academy again. No, every time
Speaker 3: they time traveled, they create a synchronicity that will destroy
Speaker 3: the universe in some way. Not actually, that's kind of
Speaker 3: what I think CERN is doing. Is or maybe too
Speaker 3: many people using the looking Glass or or chronavisor the
Speaker 3: chronavisor okay changing significant events. So therefore the universe has
Speaker 3: to destroy itself. And our consciousness has been shifting to
Speaker 3: separate universes every time one is destroyed, and that's why
Speaker 3: we have the Mandel effect.
Speaker 1: So I don't believe that, although that is a possibility.
Speaker 1: I believe the whole the butterfly effect and how there's
Speaker 1: multiple timelines happening at the same time. Sure believe that
Speaker 1: one thousand percent. I believe in the theory of infinity,
Speaker 1: So I believe there's an infinite number of possibilities in
Speaker 1: an infinite number of universes, all happening at the exact
Speaker 1: same time. Kind of Rick and Morty esque, if you will.
Speaker 1: I'm on that vibe right hypothetically, speaking of course, but
Speaker 1: hold on, like you absolutely believe in that, like the
Speaker 1: theory of infinity and like multiple realities. Yeah really, okay,
Speaker 1: I thought you were against that kind of shit.
Speaker 2: I love that you're going there. I feel like you
Speaker 2: have evolved as a person as we've gone through the
Speaker 2: years on this show, and I love to see it.
Speaker 1: Uh. Well, I believe in all right. So again we've
Speaker 1: talked that there is we know for sure thirteen dimensions
Speaker 1: that we can quantifiably know exist. That, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: leads credence to the belief that there is an infinite
Speaker 1: number of them. We may not have the math to
Speaker 1: check out in that because our math doesn't what does
Speaker 1: a fourth dimensional algebraic problem look like? I don't know,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying, What does a thirteenth dimensional
Speaker 1: calculus problem look like? So to say it to that level, yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe there's infinite numbers of infinite things going on.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of content with the one that I
Speaker 1: have found myself in currently, my soul in this meat
Speaker 1: suit and all that shit. However, super convoluted talk. But
Speaker 1: but I also as far as uh, shit we got
Speaker 1: off on it. Where was I going before that? Oh?
Speaker 1: Time travel? Okay, so as far as the whole multiple
Speaker 1: timelines thing happening, I don't believe that that would necessarily
Speaker 1: cancel out the original just my own belief. What I
Speaker 1: think is basically, time travel is possible. I personally don't
Speaker 1: believe we figured it out yet, and I believe that
Speaker 1: the day it happens, and not just to look back
Speaker 1: into the past, okay, seeing or getting a vision or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's one thing. I mean, actually being able to transport
Speaker 1: a human from one spot to another via time. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not possible and it never has happened,
Speaker 1: and maybe they have figured out something to fix the
Speaker 1: problem that I'm about to propose, because again I am
Speaker 1: not a theoretical physicist. This is just very where I'm
Speaker 1: at with it. I am of the belief that once
Speaker 1: they to travel through time, you have to tear us
Speaker 1: a whole through the space time continuum. You basically have
Speaker 1: to tear a hole through existence as we know it. Okay,
Speaker 1: is that possible. I'm with Maddie Ice believe that's what
Speaker 1: they're trying to fuck around with with cern and I'm
Speaker 1: not okay with it, but whatever. I also believe that
Speaker 1: whenever you jump time, you tear a hole in the
Speaker 1: fabric of existence, and I am of the belief that
Speaker 1: once that hole starts tearing, it's only a matter of
Speaker 1: time before it all falls apart. I believe that we
Speaker 1: exist in a very delicate balance of things that all
Speaker 1: have to work in a certain way. Jumping time, I
Speaker 1: am of the belief, makes it to where that can't
Speaker 1: work that certain way, and not because of oh well,
Speaker 1: if you jump to the past, what if you change something,
Speaker 1: and how would that play out later? Like, fine, totally
Speaker 1: could happen. I think that even just breaking through the
Speaker 1: barrier to try to step foot into another time basically
Speaker 1: stops the game. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like basically kind of like what I was saying
Speaker 3: is every time that they use the coronavisor or they
Speaker 3: look into different points on the timeline to do whatever,
Speaker 3: that's creating some sort of singularity that destroys the universe eventually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Umbrella Academy, it was always some monster or
Speaker 1: some some nuclear war. I don't I'm not taking it
Speaker 1: to that level. I'm talking more like Atlanta.
Speaker 3: It's just control all delete.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I kind of think that the day they
Speaker 1: fire up a time machine and successfully make a portal
Speaker 1: to the other side is the day that Thano snaps
Speaker 1: his finger. That's that's what I believe.
Speaker 3: So I've watched back to the future god knows how
Speaker 3: many times, easily well into the multiple hundreds, and the
Speaker 3: thing that keeps messing me up is that they create
Speaker 3: these tangent universes and tangent timelines. But those people still
Speaker 3: exist and they lived those lives in the Bad Biff
Speaker 3: reality or the hell View reality, Hell Valley reality, And
Speaker 3: what happened to those people when they corrected the timeline,
Speaker 3: Like did they not live that life? Or is that
Speaker 3: why we have these nomenals ill this is, or or
Speaker 3: phobia's or bad feelings, or we've remembered things a different
Speaker 3: way because we've lived that in an alternate universe and
Speaker 3: we have their residual knowledge but we can't access it,
Speaker 3: but we know in the back of our minds something
Speaker 3: isn't good, or we shouldn't go somewhere, or what have you.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that's where the thought of reincarnation may
Speaker 1: come from, or do you believe the reincarnation is a
Speaker 1: real thing outside of this theory of multiple timelines.
Speaker 2: That could be the answer for deja.
Speaker 3: Mosside, Like, I have an opinion. I think I've said
Speaker 3: it before, but beliefs are dangerous. Opinions are what you
Speaker 3: need to have. Like it's easy to change an opinion
Speaker 3: when presented with a new idea. It's hard to change
Speaker 3: a belief structure because you structure your life around it.
Speaker 3: But my opinion is I think possibly your consciousness or
Speaker 3: soul or whatever you want to think of it inside
Speaker 3: of you is eternal, and maybe jumping timelines to different
Speaker 3: life or different reality, or or once you die in
Speaker 3: one you go to a different one that's possible, or
Speaker 3: that you could just go back to a different point
Speaker 3: on your own lifeline where you made a mistake and
Speaker 3: you got to change it. That's possible too, Or there's
Speaker 3: an actual afterlife where we go into a different heaven
Speaker 3: type realm or a hell type realm, or maybe the
Speaker 3: atheists had it right where you remember what it was
Speaker 3: like before you were born. That's probably what it's like
Speaker 3: to be dead.
Speaker 1: Damn Okay, Okay, So you're open to a couple of
Speaker 1: different suggestions at this time.
Speaker 3: I know all of the theories. It just live my
Speaker 3: life according No.
Speaker 2: I like what you said about the beliefs and opinions though,
Speaker 2: because you know it's it's like the old saying. And
Speaker 2: I don't mean this toward any specific person, mentality or anything,
Speaker 2: because we all have certain beliefs that we're just not
Speaker 2: going to change. I personally have the belief that if
Speaker 2: I use fluoride toothpaste that my pinial glam won't become corroded.
Speaker 2: I will never know that, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: I'll never know that it has to be a belief.
Speaker 2: But that being said, it's kind of like the old
Speaker 2: saying that that goes, uh, how does it go?
Speaker 1: Damn it?
Speaker 2: I had it and I lost it. It's coming back.
Speaker 2: Hold on, it's downloading. Oh, you can't wake up somebody
Speaker 2: who's pretending to be asleep. And that's I believe what
Speaker 2: the definition of a belief may be, you know, because
Speaker 2: all those people, let's just put it in the Trump realm,
Speaker 2: like all the people who hate Trump, they believe that
Speaker 2: you can't wake somebody up from that they're pretending to
Speaker 2: be asleep. You can't wake up from somebody pretending to
Speaker 2: be asleep, right, And so I don't know, dude, I
Speaker 2: think that this, dude, the mind is such a fucking
Speaker 2: powerful tool, and this is why we're constantly being bombarded
Speaker 2: in every single possible way through the food, the water,
Speaker 2: the air, at the medical system, the propaganda on TV.
Speaker 2: It's constant, constant, constant manipulation. And it does lead you
Speaker 2: to wonder, if we didn't have all of those things
Speaker 2: targeting us on a regular daily basis, how much different
Speaker 2: would this reality look.
Speaker 3: Like. Have you ever taken a break from all social
Speaker 3: media and just use your phone as an actual phone?
Speaker 2: I haven't, but I've thought about it.
Speaker 1: Do it.
Speaker 3: Do it for thirty days. Try to do it for
Speaker 3: thirty days and just see how much happier you are
Speaker 3: without this constant stream of bad news and hate.
Speaker 1: Dude, My brother swapped out for the old clam show,
Speaker 1: the old flip phone. About two years ago, he had
Speaker 1: an iPhone. He went fishing within his pocket, it fell out. Whatever,
Speaker 1: he said, Fuck you give me the cheapest phone you
Speaker 1: got in the store. He had it for about six
Speaker 1: months before he literally needed a smartphone to do business
Speaker 1: and whatever. But like bro, he will tell you that
Speaker 1: was the happiest six months of his life. He got.
Speaker 1: He received text messages, he never texted back. He would
Speaker 1: just call them, have the conversation, hang the fuck up,
Speaker 1: move on with his day, and never was bothered by
Speaker 1: the earth and the shit. He said. It was happy.
Speaker 2: No, I tell you what whenever I went on that uh,
Speaker 2: because I went on a cruise for my honeymoon last year, right,
Speaker 2: and you can sign up for the Wi Fi WiFi
Speaker 2: is ass on a cruise line if you if you've
Speaker 2: never been. But yeah, I tell you what it was like.
Speaker 2: A It was like a relief that it wasn't that
Speaker 2: my phone wasn't working, that I couldn't get on the internet,
Speaker 2: that I couldn't check Facebook and Instagram and check certain
Speaker 2: statistics and you know all like fantasy football, Like I'm
Speaker 2: always into this, you know, uh, into this like research
Speaker 2: mentality ever since, you know, we have so many shows
Speaker 2: and whatnot, and but my god, it is such a
Speaker 2: monkey off your back whenever you know, you kiss.
Speaker 3: In the morning and nobody being able to contact you
Speaker 3: until you got home.
Speaker 2: Good old times, Good old times, dude. I used to
Speaker 2: call like, so I would have to stay after school
Speaker 2: because I had football practice after school, and then I
Speaker 2: would have to call my mom up to come pick
Speaker 2: me up from football practice. And dude, how I would
Speaker 2: call her because I didn't have a phone. I would
Speaker 2: use the fucking payphone and I would do one eight
Speaker 2: hundred collect and you'd give like a little three second
Speaker 2: message and I would just say, hey, Ma, come pick
Speaker 2: me up, and that's it, right, And she wouldn't answer.
Speaker 3: A baby eats a boy.
Speaker 1: Yes indeed, yeah, de old commercial. Well att, it's free
Speaker 1: for you, it's cheap for.
Speaker 2: Them, right right, Good dude, good times, good too. I mean, hey, dude, look,
Speaker 2: this reality is a fucking strange reality. It's only going
Speaker 2: to keep on getting stranger. Maddie Ice, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for coming on the show. Brother this was this
Speaker 2: was great. We love having you and you know, just
Speaker 2: to be able to stretch the brain a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's all about the elasticity. That's what opening up your
Speaker 2: third eye is all about. So if if you can't
Speaker 2: get into the understandings at the manipulation level or a
Speaker 2: propaganda level or whatever, you might be able to start
Speaker 2: to look into how they might be able to manipulate
Speaker 2: you mentally. And that's why I'm happy that we kind
Speaker 2: of went down this route today. Although pertaining to like
Speaker 2: time travel and possibly Thomas Crooks and how he was
Speaker 2: MK ultra dude, these are some great conversations. I love
Speaker 2: this shit. It just causes you to think, and that's
Speaker 2: my favorite kind of stuff, no doubt, no doubt. Look, Maddie,
Speaker 2: if the call members don't know where to find you yet,
Speaker 2: let them know where they can.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm on TikTok at Mattie ice Rants and then
Speaker 3: I'm also on Instagram and there's a link tree on
Speaker 3: my TikTok that they'll take you all of my other accounts.
Speaker 3: I've been posting longer forms or series all stitched together
Speaker 3: on YouTube. So the whole time or the Master Shechedler
Speaker 3: or Shechedler on the roof or the time travel shed
Speaker 3: Man from Florida. That whole thing is up on YouTube now.
Speaker 3: And then also I'm starting my podcast over again. It's
Speaker 3: the Whole Truth, the h ol e Truth like rabbit Hole,
Speaker 3: and that'll be on Spotify first. I'm gonna try and
Speaker 3: get it on other places as well, but I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be all over the place.
Speaker 2: Love to hear. By the way, I you know the
Speaker 2: last time we had you on was it was from
Speaker 2: the Conspiracy Cabin. Are you still in the Conspiracy Cabin?
Speaker 1: Sir?
Speaker 3: Not currently? No?
Speaker 2: No, that is a no more rip Conspiracy Cabin r
Speaker 2: P Jacob. Can we get some knife fans up in here, dude?
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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I love these conversations, Maddie. We love your brother.
Speaker 2: We can't wait to do it again. Man. Absolutely, you
Speaker 2: reach out to us anytime. Brother you are you're part
Speaker 2: of this cold family, dude.
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh you're one of the homies.
Speaker 3: Dude for shout, glad to hear it.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, bud. Look, with that being said, this was
Speaker 2: another beautiful episode of the Cults of Conspiracy. And my
Speaker 2: name's Jonathan, and there's one very important action, the vital
Speaker 2: piece of information we need you to learn just as
Speaker 2: soon as humanly possible. No bed of bear
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