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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Mind Over Murder podcast.

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Speaker 2: My name is Bill Thomas. I'm a writer, consulting, producer,

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and now podcaster. I am now trying to use my

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experience as the brother of a murder victim to help

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other victims of violent crime. I'm working on a book

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on the unsolved Colonial Parkway murders, and I'm the co

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administrator of the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook group together with

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Kristin Dilly.

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Speaker 3: My name is Kristin Dilly. I'm a writer, a researcher,

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a teacher, and a victim's advocate, as well as the

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social media manager and co administrator for the Colonial Parkway

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Murders Facebook page with my partner in crime, Bill Thomas.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to mind Over Murder.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kristin Dilly and I'm Bill Thomas.

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Speaker 4: We are back on an unseasonably warm November day. I

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don't know how it's been up there, Bill that it

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was pretty darn toasty here today, nice eighty degrees in

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the sun.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that warm, but it was unseasonably warm. A

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lot of times. By Halloween first of November, it's quite

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cold here. Sometimes it even snows.

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Speaker 4: Oh, so you're in the ice box of Connecticut. My dude,

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I'm surprised it has not snowed already.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was like seventy degrees and sunny, absolutely gorgeous.

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None of us can get over it. It's very strange.

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We had a truly bizarre thing happen here over the weekend,

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which we're still cleaning up from. We have a large

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hill that heads down through the center of town with

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no State Highway Route forty four, which runs east west,

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which cuts through the center of our little town early

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early Saturday morning at five point fifty eight am. I'm

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actually amazed we didn't hear this. A very large gasoline truck,

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oh no, filled with eighty two hundred gallons of fuel.

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Ask me how I know it is headed down the

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hill into the center of our town. This is just

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before six am. Somehow the driver manages to get off

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the road in this beautiful residential section of town opposite

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our elementary school, and then we don't exactly know what

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happens next, but he either turns to get back onto

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the road or makes a correction or whatever overcorrects. This

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giant truck full of gasoline tips on its side and

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skids across the road, completely blocking the road in both directions,

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whereupon two hundred gallons of gasoline start flowing out of

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the truck. Oh no, all over the road, all over

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the front lawns of these beautiful homes. And then and

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this is where it gets really scary, into the storm drains.

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Oh gosh, blowing downhill through the center of town.

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Speaker 4: As soon as you said downhill, I'm sitting there going

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Was there a mud slide? Was there a flood? No,

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this is worse than that. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: We learned about this around eight thirty am when we

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got to notice they were turning off our power on

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an emergency basis because they were afraid there was going

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to be an explosion in fire. When the truck initially

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tipped over, there was no explosion or fire, which we

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were very fortunate in that way. They had to evacuate

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a number of homes near us. We live on a

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street called Maple Avenue just a block over from us.

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On Maple Avenue, it's just a little bit lower in

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terms of these pretty rolling hills. All those homes in

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that slightly lower section of Maple Ave were all evacuated

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because people could smell the gasoline flowing through the storm drains,

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and these are so scary, so wonder people's houses. We

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actually have one that goes through our garden comes out

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on the other side. We don't have any direct access

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to it, but there's a brook then where these storm

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drains dump into which would normally be rain water and

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run off. And in this example, it's gasoline headed towards

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a beautiful river which is also und store a town

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called the BlackBerry River.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, oh, so, Buttermilk Falls, where you and I

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went to and.

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Speaker 2: I came to visit exactly, that also is flowing down

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towards the same BlackBerry River. They had to turn off

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the power for the whole center section of town for

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about four hours. This would have been Saturday morning. And

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then of course we heard the ambulances and fire engines

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and it just kept coming and coming. They brought in

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fire equipment from as far away as sixty five miles

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cooperative relationship. It's a regional thing. So we ended up

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with our volunteer fire department, who actually very good. But

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these are my neighbors, people that just do this out

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of the goodness of their heart. We also have volunteer

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ambulance corps who are also very good, so they're all scrambled.

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And then all of the other fire equipment from surrounding

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towns was brought in and they were trying to contain

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the gasoline, which is very difficult and without blowing it

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or themselves up. Amazingly, the driver of the truck was

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not injured. He had managed to extricate himself from the truck.

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I don't know what his cover story is going to

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be about exactly how he managed to wow his entire

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load of gasoline in the middle of our town. But

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they've been working on it now, Saturday, all day, Sunday,

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all day today.

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Speaker 4: Can you smell the gasoline? And if you're stepping outside,

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can you smell it?

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Speaker 2: Not so much at our house, but we took the

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dog for a walk and we went over towards that

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slightly lower portion of maple ave, and you could definitely

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: And then we took the dog for a walk, and

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we've had all of these massive white environmental trucks going

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all over town. It's actually an unnatural disaster. And we

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ended up chatting with the guys that are working on

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the mitigation, is what they call it. And these are

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these environmental companies. They come in and for example, when

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we were walking the dog, we stopped and I chatted

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with the guy for a little bit, and he explained

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that they were siphoning off the gasoline from the top

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of the brook that runs through the center of town,

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and then they pull that into tractor trailers filled with

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water and gasoline. Then it goes to a recycling center

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where the water and the gasoline are separated again, and

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they're doing trailer after trailer, and they're also bringing in

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sand and foam and all this equipment to help contain

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the gasoline as best they can.

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Speaker 4: This is crazy.

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Speaker 2: We're just so lucky that we didn't have a fire

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that would have burned down these beautiful Victorian homes on

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both sides of the street. And this is all like

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a block just past our elementary school here in the

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center of time.

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Speaker 4: You've been doing this two days, and you never called

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me and said, by the way, I've got a crazy

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story for you. You saved it from the podcast.

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Speaker 2: We've been waving and thanking all of the firefighters and

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environmental workers and police, and our town has just been

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inundated with equipment and personnel. We lived two doors down

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from town Hall, and by the way, we're having an

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election tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they.

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Speaker 2: Open access back to town Hall where we can all vote,

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and they want to open up the streets as best

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they can. But even now, that steep hill where the

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truck crashed, the truck has been righted and towed away,

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but they're still not letting anyone come through because of

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the concern of a potential fire. And you can still

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smell gasoline depending on where you are.

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Speaker 4: This is crazy. So is this going to count?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 4: Is that an election irregularity? If you guys can't get

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there to vote, us.

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Speaker 2: To allow us to all vote. We want to encourage

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people to come out and vote.

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Speaker 4: She whizz Wow. That is a whole lot more story

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than I've argained for when we signed on here.

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Speaker 2: We can't thank the rescue workers. And amazing how many

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different people have come through town. And we were walking

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the dog. We went by town Hall and there's a big,

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beautiful conference room that they use for different meetings. I

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go to meetings there as well well, and we went

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by their last evening and the room was absolutely filled

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with all the different heads of all the different crews,

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and they were going through they had white boards and

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they're going through all the steps are taking. Except for

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thanking them and giving them a big thumbs up, we're

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just doing our best stay out of the way and

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let them get their work done.

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Speaker 4: This is a great time to shout all of them out.

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I don't know how many of them listen to our podcasts,

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but as you and I are very well acquainted with

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members of law enforcement community, but their brethren, the first responders,

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all of them, they do amazing, tremendous work and we

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really cannot shout them out enough. Yeah, that's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Just as a reminder, these are people who've been working

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twenty four to seven since this accident took place, and

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in our small town, they're all volunteers.

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Speaker 4: That is crazy. Well, that is I feel like we

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need to do a whole breaking news segment and that's

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what's going on in this section of the world, to

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you crazy. I really hope that they are able to

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get that. Do they have an estimate on when everything

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is going to be cleaned up or are they still

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having to take it one day at a time.

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Speaker 2: They said a couple more days, but I hope that

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we've had Saturday, Sunday, now Monday. Hopefully maybe by Tuesday

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or Wednesday it'll get cleaned up. They had to turn

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the electricity off a second for safety reasons, so we

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got a notice from ever source is our electric company.

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So we get an email on a text and it

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says we're going to be turning the power off at

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eleven fifteen pm. So we're we're watching TVA, hanging out

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with the dog, that whole thing. We looked at each

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other and said, I guess we're going to bed at

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eleven o'clock to night. It may be Saturday night, but

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we're not staying up late tonight because the lights are.

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Speaker 4: Going to be oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: So with a little bit of heads up, we got

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ourselves all situated and got ourselves all tucked into bed,

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and yep, just after eleven o'clock the lights.

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Speaker 4: But honestly, I guess it's a good thing that it's

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been unseasonably warm being there in the ice process Connecticut.

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This would be so much worse if it was in

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the snow in the cold and you didn't have electricity

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during the coals, that would be horrible.

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Speaker 2: And the communication from our town Emergency Services department has

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been incredible. They've kept everyone up to speed on what's

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going on. They actually had to go door to door

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knocking on doors for our neighbors that are a little bit

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down the street from us who were asked to immediately evacuate.

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At the same time, they're using social media really effectively

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to keep us all abreast of what's going on with

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road closures and safety. It's been pretty impressive.

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Speaker 4: Actually, wow, that is really something. So we know that

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our next edition of Mind of a Murder, you're going

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to have to continue to give updates on all of

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this and everything.

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Speaker 2: Thanking these teams for many moons, and then we're gonna

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have to work with the state of Connecticut and our

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town officials who've got to get these trucks to slow

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down as they come hurtling through our little town.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I have one hundred percent remember hearing very loud

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trucks going downhill?

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Speaker 2: Yeah they come. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Wow. I really don't know how we're going to top

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that story from the Maple House, but I think we're

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going to have to try for this episode. And we

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are continuing our coverage of true crime news and specifically

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we want to talk about some very interesting developments that

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have taken place since we recorded our last episode in

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the Ruth Marie Terry case, also known as Lady of

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the Dunes. This has apparently exploded more than I guess

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anybody was really thinking that it would. And Bill, I

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know you've been keeping on top of these updates here.

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So what have we learned about Ruth Marie Terry's what

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did we call him last time? Bunco artist? Is that

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was that delightful? Term?

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Speaker 2: Was the term they used in one of the newspaper articles,

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and I hadn't heard that term in years. A bunco artist,

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of course, is a con artist.

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Speaker 4: We learned something about her bunco artist husband or former husband.

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Why don't you go ahead and fill us in on that.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot happening here, as we talked about last time, Kristen.

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First of all, for Ruth Marie Terry to finally be

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given her name has resulted in so much new information

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now being developed because in a situation where they had

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these unidentified remains for forty eight years, they weren't really

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able to move that investigation forward because they didn't even

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know who this poor woman was. This is true in

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this example and many other examples where we have missing

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and murdered people who go unidentified. After our friends at

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Athram were able to help the FBI, Massachusetts State Police,

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the Cape Cod Prosecutor's Office, and other agencies identify Ruth

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Marie Terry using forensic genetic genealogy, the story gets more

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and more bizarre as we go forward. First of all,

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a number of other family members have now come forward

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and are able to tell us a lot more about

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Ruth Marie Arry. We now have a niece, Brittany Nova Glosk,

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who's commented to NBC News that her great aunt was

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a beautiful and loved member of her family. They had

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been missing her for forty eight years. Of course, she's

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from Tennessee originally and had moved around quite a bit

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and had lived in California and elsewhere. She did have

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ties to Massachusetts as well, but they didn't realize that

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these unidentified remains found near Provincetown in nineteen seventy four

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could possibly be their great aunt. They described her as

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a loving and caring person who was a free spirit,

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her great niece said, and she wanted to explore life

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outside of where she grew up in Tennessee. So she

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moved around quite a bit. As you mentioned last time,

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she lived in Michigan, California. She'd visited Massachusetts. Apparently she

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wandered a bit. Was herself, was married several times. As

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we discussed last time, she gave up a son whom

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she had when she was quite young, about age twenty

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one twenty one. She appears to have been married, perhaps

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as many as three times. It was all part of

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this kind of adventurous wandering spirit, was how she was described.

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Her great niece said. She told us that her mother

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and grandmother never stopped searching for terry, but they had

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no way of knowing that she was buried in Provincetown

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all these years in an unmarked grave. They did know

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about Muldovin, and the last they knew about her husband

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was he was a boyfriend at that point, and of

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course now he's the focus of the investigation into her murder.

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mindover Murder. I know we don't like to get too

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graphic here on mindover Murder, but I do want to

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add a few additional details as we talked about, Terry's

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hands were cut off and her skull was also crushed.

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It looked like she might have been hit with something

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like a shovel or something quickly that would have been

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post mortem, and she was essentially decapitated. Several teeth were

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also pulled. Investigators now believe that this was an effort

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to disguise who she was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense, and.

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Speaker 2: Of course we're talking about nineteen seventy four. DNA is

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nearly twenty years away. At that point, the way you

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would identify a person would likely be through fingerprints, physical description.

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There were clearly, as we've said before in other episodes,

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forensic countermeasures taken here, likely by her killer. According to

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NBC ten in Boston, they've now discovered that Terry married

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her husband muldovin five months before her body was discovered

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in Reno, Nevada. And of course, yeah, a Las Vegas

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or Reno wedding is a classic quickie place to get married.

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And there are reports that Muldavan who used names and

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a number of different aliases far beyond just the two

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or three we've seen so far, and there are reports

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coming out now that he bought a sports car in Reno.

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The whole thing sounds like such a screaming cliche.

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Speaker 4: Wow, it really does.

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Speaker 2: Bought a sports car in Reno and was driving across

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the country heading to Provincetown with his new wife, whose

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name was Terry. So the last thing her family knew

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was that she was in California. Her family has said

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some very interesting things. Her great niece had said her

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family remembers Terry was not herself when Muldovin was at

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her side. That our friend Laura Richards would have something

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to say.

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Speaker 4: About this, Oh yeah, she would.

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Speaker 2: Our discussions with Laura about coercive control certainly come to mind.

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Her great niece said, Terry was almost inaccessible when she

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was with him, and it was like he owned her.

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She was his property. And this is a woman who

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was usually bubbly, outgoing, friendly, upbeat, who loved to dance

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and sing and was a joy to be around, and

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yet she's this very controlled figure when she's with her

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then boyfriend later husband knee s. Brittany Novagloski said that

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it was Moldovin who told her family that Terry went missing.

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Now this is supposedly five months after they got married. Sure,

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sounds like the honeymoon was over by that point.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I would imagine.

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Speaker 2: So, yes, Yeah, and Novangloski's great grandfather traveled to California

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to look for Terry and hired a private investigator, who

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then ultimately informed the family that all of her belongings

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had been sold and that she had left the state

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of California. All of this stuff is very curious, and

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this sense of manipulation and ownership by her then boyfriend

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later husband is very suspicious.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, classic coercive control. I bet if we put it

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in front of Laura, she'd say, that's exactly what it is.

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My goodness, I feel awful for this poor woman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So there are a number of different versions of

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the guy Moldovin's story. One is that I struggle with

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this because there are so many different stories about him,

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and he uses multiple aliases, most often Raoul Rockwell, which

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I mean sounds like I made him Raoul. First of all,

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as we mentioned last week, he is now dead. He's deceased.

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As you mentioned, he was a suspect in the brutal

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killing of his ex wife and nineteen year old stepdaughter

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in Seattle in nineteen sixty but somehow was never charged

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with their murder, despite the fact that their remains were

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found in the septic system of the house they lived in.

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Speaker 4: How does that happen? How did he not get charged?

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Not out as somebody found in the septic system that

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we don't need to speculate on that.

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Speaker 2: No, but apparently the reason he was not charged is

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because they couldn't prove who it was even they found remains.

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They found skin in the septic system, but they weren't

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able to identify who the victims were.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: So he was briefly charged, but he ended up serving

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a remarkably short sentence. As we talked about before, he

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was charged with fraud involving his hesitate to put numbers

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on this and one of his next wives. He's been

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married so many times. Some of the reporting I've seen

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said he may have been married as many as six times.

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And then he has many girlfriends at the same time,

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and then all these different names. It just goes on

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and on.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: The NBC ten investigators in Boston had said that Terry

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was married several times, but Muldovan seems to hold the

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record here. They think he was married at least four times,

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and perhaps as many as six times. The Massachusetts State

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Police give his name as Guy Rockwell Muldovin born October

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twenty seventh, nineteen twenty three, although as they point out,

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he also by the names Raoul Guy Rockwell, so switching

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his names around, and Guy Muldovan Rockwell. And then Terry

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herself also used multiple names. She went by Terry Marie Zena,

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Terry M. Vizena, and Terry Shannon. They have this very

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curious nomadic lifestyle, and ultimately it appears that shortly after

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they were married in Reno, he bought a sports car

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under yet another name and then drove off. I read

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reporting last night as well that Muldovan's father had extensive

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ties to Provincetown. He owned a number of different homes

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and businesses in Provincetown, which may be why they were

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headed to that location. That makes sense, although it wasn't

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like they were in Provincetown for a great length of time.

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They think that the family ties have something to do

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with that being their final destination, at least the final

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destination for Terry herself. I just saw some new reporting

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from our friend Robin Warder. He does a very good

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podcast called The Trail Went cold and not only is

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Robin an outstanding podcaster, he's also a very strong researcher. Yes,

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he's reporting something that I haven't seen anywhere else, which

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is why we want to be careful to make sure

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we're giving credit to Robin. He has discovered newspaper articles

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from Eureka, California from the early nineteen sixties that describe

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Rockwell as potentially a perpetrator an offender in another series

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of murders.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: These newspaper articles from the early nineteen sixties, they described

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him as raoul Guy Rockwell in addition to being a

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suspect in the murder of Manzanita Rockwell hdi nine and

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her daughter Dolores Mere's age eighteen, who had died in

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I believe it's April nineteen sixty and the remains were

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found inside the septic tank discussed. Apparently, Rockwell had also

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lived in Fortuna, California, in Humboldt County from nineteen forty

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seven until about nineteen fifty. They were stating that they

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are interested in questioning him for that murder ten years before,

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and that involved a bread truck driver named Henry Baird,

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aged twenty two from Eureka, California, and a young woman

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who was only seventeen. Her name was Barbara Kelly, and

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she was a waitress at a restaurant in Fortuna, California.

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I thought this was very odd. The two people were

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found naked except for shoes and socks, the rest of

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their clothes piled neatly nearby.

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Speaker 4: Similar to how Ruth Murray Terry was found.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. The two of them have been shot to

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death and in the very strange coincidence department Rockwell worked

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as a short order cook in a restaurant in Fortuna

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that was owned by his in laws. His father in law,

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Jerome Loop, owned one of the two restaurants in town,

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and this young woman, Barbara Kelly, worked as a waitress

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in that same restaurant.

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Speaker 4: Dead people just keep showing up wherever the sky is.

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Isn't that interesting?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Now, Robin Waterer seems Robin Warders seems to be

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ahead of the curve here. I'm not seeing this reporting

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anywhere else except in Robin's writing, and I'm sure he'll

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be doing some podcasting on the case on the Trail

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Went Cold his podcast. Very interesting development. So, actually, if

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you start lining all this up up, it looks like

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Guy Rockwell or i'm oulde Ben or Raoul Rouel, whatever

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name we want to go with today, could be potentially

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linked to three separate murders of at least five people,

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including two pairs of people, his second wife and her daughter,

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his stepdaughter, and then now this young couple Henry Baird

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and Barbara Kelly, and their ties to the restaurant where

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he worked.

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Speaker 4: And if he's been married as many as six times

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and we know that two of the wives were murdered,

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I'd be very interested to know how many of his

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other wives turned up dead or missing.

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Speaker 2: So people are doing some digging. And as we talked

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about last week, now that we know who Ruth Marie

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Terry is, who sometimes goes by Terry, and so we're

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flipping those names around as well. Now that we know

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who she is and she's no longer the Lady of

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the Dunes, we're able to start putting together a number

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of other elements of this kind of nomadic life that

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these people led. It appears that Muldovin Rockwell, whatever, may

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be involved in multiple homicides. I think, as someone said

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to me a few minutes ago before we went on here.

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I think we're dealing with a serial killer her.

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Speaker 4: It certainly sounds that way. But yeah, how interesting this

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will be as it continues to unfold, and it would

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be of course, there is no way to bring him

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to justice. He died in two thousand and two in Salinas, California.

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But I think it would certainly be maybe healing in

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a way for her family to know exactly the full

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circumstances under which she got hooked in with this guy

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and what his full criminal history is. Here. My goodness, gracious,

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this is absolutely crazy just the way that it's developed. Yeah,

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I'm very interested to see where this goes. And props

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to Robin Order for all of this excellent work that

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he's doing here. That's some great researching. I'll be interested

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to see who else picks up on that.

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Speaker 2: And it sounds like her extensive family, that Ruth Marie

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Terry's extensive family never gave up on her. They were

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always looking for her. Of course, many of that older

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generation that would have been her parents or grandmother, They

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were looking for her, traveling to California, hiring private detectives,

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trying to find out what had happened to her and

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they never were able to connect a young woman from

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Tennessee moving around the country and seeking her fortune and

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this mysterious and unknown to them murder victim who has

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been unidentified on Cape cod for forty eight years.

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Speaker 4: It was an interesting story to begin with, and it

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just gets more and more interesting the deeper you dig

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and the more layers you peel away. So I'm very

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interested to see where this will continue to go. And

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we will bring on our friends from Athram for a

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future episode to talk about the work that they did

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on Ruth Marie Terry's case. As Kristin Middelman teased a

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little bit on their DNA Solves page, this was not

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easy work that they did. This was a difficult one

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for them, and so I know I'm very interested in

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what exactly they had to do to find this name

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of Ruth Marie Terry. I know that her family is

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probably quite thrilled to finally have a name for her

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and know where it is that she ended up. We

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did mention last episode that her biological son, Richard Hanshitt,

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had said that he is looking to bring her body

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back to Tennessee so that she can be buried with

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her parents.

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Speaker 2: It would appear that this new information regarding Raoul Guy

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Rockwell slash Muldovin whatever would seem to indicate a much

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stronger tie in, at least potentially between this man who

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now appears to be a serial killer and his wife

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who died under mysterious circumstances five months after marrying this guy,

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would seem to make him the most likely offender and

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be the person responsible for Lady of the Dunes killing.

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I think that means that the Jaws theory and the

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idea that she was an extra appearing while they were

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filming Jaws on the Cape and Islands that summer of

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nineteen seventy four that seems less and less likely.

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Speaker 4: Now it does. I still think it's a great story.

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I think it would be it would make an excellent book.

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I hope Joe Hill actually takes that and runs with

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it and decides to turn it into something. But yeah,

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it doesn't seem to be the reality of the situation.

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Speaker 2: It would also seem to me that the idea that

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somehow Whitey Bulger was involved in the murder of Ruth

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Marie Terry seems less and less likely as well. I

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know that there are some people that have theorized that

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he might somehow be involved in the murder of this

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beautiful young woman who was found on Cape Cod in

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the dunes outside Provincetown, and that seems less likely. Certainly,

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it's a fascinating case and there are more and more developments.

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I'm also hoping that the Cape Cod Times, who've done

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some outstanding reporting here, will continue to report on the

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case and will continue to follow up as well.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I know that you had mentioned last time there

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are a couple of different documentaries that have been done

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on Lady of the Dunes, so we do encourage you

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to hick a documentary and bring yourself up to speed

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in addition to listening to our reporting, and of course

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tune into all of the other podcasts that are doing

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excellent work. And we would like to shout out again

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Robin Water of the Trail Went Cold, because he definitely

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seems to be onto something here with regard to the

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con artist slash serial killer that she had the misfortune

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to fall in with. But we will bring you guys

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up to speed on any new developments in Ruth Marie

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Terry's case. That's going to wrap it up for this

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episode of Mind Over murder. We'll see you next time.

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