WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.399 Let's take a little break. Okay, it's Friday. Not a 2 00:00:02.399 --> 00:00:05.839 little fun on a Friday. We've been pretty football centric 3 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.279 to a little hoops of Howard Beck and it's been 4 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:10.480 a little while. But if you're a fan of the show, 5 00:00:10.519 --> 00:00:13.080 first of all, thank you, how are you? Second of all, 6 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:15.480 you know our next guest. You love our next guest. 7 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:18.640 He is one of one. He is an attorney from 8 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:21.800 New Jersey who's also a stand up comedian and a 9 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:25.839 fan of the Utah Jazz. Go find one other person 10 00:00:25.960 --> 00:00:29.000 like that. It's not possible. JL Covan on a Friday 11 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:31.320 afternoon jail. Happy Friday, sir, how you been? 12 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:34.960 Oh? Very good? Happy Friday, Happy New Year. Very good 13 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:35.759 to talk with you. 14 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:40.280 So let's you know, as I referenced from the first 15 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:42.479 time I met you and became familiar with your work, 16 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:46.719 you are a very unique individual and you are a 17 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:49.960 jazz fan. You are an East Coaster and you know 18 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:53.320 they're finally leaning into this tank thing jayl and hopefully 19 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:56.240 pays off with Cooper Flag. But how engaged are you 20 00:00:56.320 --> 00:00:57.600 watching Jazz games this year? 21 00:00:57.640 --> 00:00:59.679 If at all, it's you know. 22 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:03.320 They drove me into the arms honestly of the New 23 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:05.879 York Rangers a little bit. I've been watching a lot 24 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:08.519 more hockey than I've ever watched before because I needed, 25 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:10.680 you know, And as soon as I started watching the Rangers, 26 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:12.920 they went from best record in the league in one 27 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:15.920 season to worst record in their division. So it might 28 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:19.519 be me Age might want to trade me to another franchise. 29 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:23.200 But I think I've been watching now because I just 30 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:26.480 want to Basically, I just want to see the young players, 31 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:29.640 Like I'm not watching for wins. I'm just watching to 32 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:34.599 stay familiar. But it's tough because I just think, all 33 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:38.120 due respect to the front office, I think the last 34 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:41.920 two seasons until this year, doing the mid season tank 35 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:45.879 is the worst of all possibilities, you know, where it's like, hey, 36 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:48.760 it looks like they're overachieving under Will Hardy and Lori 37 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:51.359 Markin and all right, now let's trade some people. Then 38 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:54.319 let's try to get that tenth pick. You know, it 39 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:57.799 doesn't so and they did it like two years in 40 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:00.840 a row. So like this year, I think they finally 41 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:04.760 have gotten to that level where we'll just miss Cooper 42 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:11.919 Flag and Ron Harper's son. Like when those envelopes are 43 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:14.759 revealed and we get the fourth pick, it will all 44 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:15.240 be worse. 45 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.560 Oh man, Oh, and I'm not saying you're wrong. It's 46 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.039 like we just need a little Lady luck out here. 47 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:24.000 We've never had it. Yes, we only drop we even 48 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:26.919 dropped last year. But it does feel like maybe this 49 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:30.719 organization is finally due for the frozen envelope this time 50 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:32.120 to say the Utah Jazz. 51 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:36.199 Yeah, come on, I think so. You know, New York, 52 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:38.879 Salt Lake City, those are both markets that you know 53 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:43.759 the League wants to dominate. So I just to me, 54 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:47.680 whoever they get, I hope it's somebody strong. I will 55 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:50.919 just be terrified if Oklahoma City gets any more luck 56 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:53.280 and like they end up with Cooper. Fis like we 57 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.479 don't know what to do. We have to trade one 58 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:57.919 of our future all stars because there's just not enough 59 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:00.039 room on the roster right. 60 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:01.000 Right right now. 61 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:04.080 Unfortunately, Hey, I know you've told the story before, but 62 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:05.960 it has been a while since we've had you on, 63 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:09.319 and certainly radio audience has changed and we have new listeners. 64 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:10.639 So let's get. 65 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:16.479 The JL Covan Lawyer, New Jersey Utah Jazz fan origin story. 66 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:22.560 Sure, so, growing up in New York, I moved to 67 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:26.280 Jersey right before the pandemic. But growing up in New York. 68 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.919 My whole family that were Knick fans still are Knick fans, 69 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:33.879 and I guess I just wanted to be different. And 70 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:37.000 I remember looking in the Sporting News, which for the 71 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:41.680 younger listeners, there used to be things called papers and magazines, 72 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:44.360 and they used to print things, and you'd see the 73 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:46.879 stats for the NBA players and I would just be like, Okay, 74 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:48.520 I know who Michael Jordan is. He was always at 75 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:50.560 the top of the scoring. And I'd be like, who's 76 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:54.080 came alone? Because this guy's like right under Jordan every time, 77 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:56.599 so he's got to be good. And then assist I'd 78 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:58.960 be like, well, I know who Magic Johnson is. Who's 79 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:02.240 this guy Jay stock that's always ahead of Magic Johnson 80 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:04.680 in the fifth So I ended up watching the Jazz 81 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:09.439 and I'm also biracial in case there's any mono racial 82 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.280 Jersey lawyer Utah Jazz fan out there, just to throw 83 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:16.079 in another detail about my life, and the joke is 84 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:19.399 sort of seeing Karl Alone and John Stockton cooperate so 85 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:23.319 well together while watching my Haitian father and Irish mother 86 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:28.639 constantly argue, I said, Hey, this is more the spirit 87 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:31.600 I'm looking for the kind of team spirit. I like 88 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:36.000 to see between black people and white people. And then 89 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:37.959 I became a lifelong Utah Jazz fan. 90 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:44.160 There you go, How how have you digested because it's 91 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:46.879 been a big topic on the show. You know, Donovan Mitchell, 92 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:50.160 as you remember year two out here the meme. 93 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:52.680 See, I don't hear a lot about him anymore. How's 94 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:53.759 he doing these days? 95 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:57.160 He seems to be thriving jail And you know, you know, 96 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:02.600 my sincere hope was the experience he had as the 97 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.279 main scoring cog for a playoff basketball team year two 98 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:09.000 would pay off in four or five years. 99 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.279 And it has, but not really has, but not here 100 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:13.279 but not here. 101 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:17.279 You know, but when you know, when you love somebody, 102 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:19.439 you know, it's like that Adell song, I hope I 103 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:22.360 find someone like you. You know, That's how I feel 104 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:25.959 about look at him having success, like let's just maybe 105 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:29.480 one day it'll happen again. You don't trade a thirteen 106 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:33.839 pick when you're the Utah Jazz, Karl Malone, Donovan Mitchell. 107 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:38.560 That is just fact. I'm still a big believer that 108 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.680 bringing in a new coach like Will Hardy and maybe 109 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.279 us trading all our draft picks for somebody like Lauri 110 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:48.600 Markinen and adding him to go Bear and Mitchell and 111 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:50.639 just putting them in a room and saying, you guys 112 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:53.399 are in the contract for three more years. Figure it out. 113 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.160 Let's go would have been worth it. I get it. 114 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:58.040 They want a different direction, and I don't think it's 115 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:02.160 unreasonable to break it up. But the problem is when 116 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:05.879 Anthony Edwards makes the leap, when Donovan Mitchell proves himself 117 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:08.759 to be a top ten talent in the league, that 118 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:13.240 treasure trove of draft picks end up being, you know, 119 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:16.800 in the twenties instead of like that Brooklyn. I think 120 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:19.199 Ange thought he was going to replicate the heist of 121 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:25.800 the Brooklyn nets that brought them Tatum and Brown. Instead 122 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:28.000 it's I don't think it's going to bring us that. 123 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:30.079 I'll just leave it at that without insulting anybody. 124 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:32.240 Yeah, yeah, I mean it doesn't appear like it as 125 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:35.079 of now. Because Cleveland's pick might be the last pick 126 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:38.279 in the draft. In Minnesota's pick probably will be you know, 127 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:41.240 eighteen nineteen twenty, they have to rely on their own pick, 128 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:43.759 and hopefully, as we talked about, we'll see a little 129 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:47.639 lady luck and see Cooper flag here next year and potentially, 130 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:49.800 you know, get back to winning ways at some point. 131 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:53.959 Last Jazz thing though, because you know, now being a 132 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.040 fan for as long as you've been, this is brand new. 133 00:06:57.199 --> 00:06:59.279 We have been incredibly spoiled. 134 00:06:59.279 --> 00:06:59.439 Now. 135 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.360 We've had couple dips here there, but they usually last 136 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:05.279 a year or two and then you know, they draft 137 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:08.079 Darren Williams and they signed Carlos Boozer and Boom, or 138 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:12.399 they you know, lose Heyward, draft Mitchell Gobar Boom. This 139 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:16.399 is still two three years away at the earliest, in 140 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:21.319 my opinion, of this team being back in even non 141 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:24.519 play in territory where they might be capturing one of 142 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:26.800 the top eight seeds. And this will be the first 143 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.439 time that we will have experience probably five to six 144 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.879 years of losing basketball. It just it just goes to 145 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:35.680 show you, JL that we've all been spoiled as Jazz fans. 146 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:39.600 Absolutely. But I will say this, and I shout out 147 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:43.160 to Andre Kirolanko, because when I thought I was going 148 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:46.160 to fade as a Jazz fan after Malone and Stocking 149 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:49.560 were done, kier Lanco was really the bridge for a 150 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:52.720 couple of years, just such an interesting, unique player that 151 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:54.519 I was like, I'll stick with the Jazz, I got 152 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:58.879 somebody to hang my hat on. And to me, what 153 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:03.560 bothered me about the Age era so far was that 154 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:05.959 if you look, you could say we were lucky, but 155 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:09.920 you could also say a culture, a good front office 156 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.800 will draft talent and find that Mitchell at thirteen, that 157 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.920 Gobert at twenty seven, that you don't have to go 158 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:22.040 get the I mean Yanna Santa Compo fifteenth pick, Kawhi 159 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:26.800 Leonard fifteenth pick. So it's the Jazz. I think what 160 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:29.199 I loved about them and still you know, you know, 161 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:33.799 I'm still a fan. But for literally like decades, they 162 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:37.919 just they did it this sort of old fashioned way 163 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:42.080 and had enough confidence in their drafting and their player 164 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:45.279 development and their culture that I could be like, yes, 165 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.360 I'm not about ring chasing. I'd love it if Malone 166 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:50.120 and Stockton, who want a ring, I'd love it if 167 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.679 Mitchell and Gobert were still in Utah. But it's more 168 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:57.600 about are you, you know, sending the message that we 169 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.679 compete every night, Like when I watch that team under 170 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:04.720 Will Hardy's first year Williams College basketball alum, by the way, 171 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:08.919 that's my we share that. What I what I liked 172 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.480 about was, I said, I don't care about getting the 173 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:15.519 Numone pick. This team could make the playoffs. That sends 174 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:18.879 also a message about culture to free agents. That's how 175 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:21.639 you maybe get the next Carlos Boozer. If there's a 176 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:24.360 blind owner that you can trick, you get you know, 177 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:29.639 you do you do certain things that you do, certain 178 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:32.120 things that send a message of like this is a 179 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:35.399 good place to be, and then you know you don't 180 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:40.320 have to tank because look at Philadelphia. They they invented 181 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:42.720 the modern tank, and they collected a bunch of high 182 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:46.080 draft picks and talented players and have yet to win 183 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:51.559 a title and probably won't under the embiid era. So 184 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:55.159 so this idea of like abandoning your four decade long 185 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:58.759 culture to play the new game, which is still not 186 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:02.200 a guarantee, that's what really bothered me. Because I could 187 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:04.679 look at a thirty eight win team and be like, man, 188 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:08.559 they overachieved. I'm excited for what pieces they can add. 189 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:10.799 But when a team sort of tanks three years in 190 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:14.120 a row and has to like reset the tank each year, 191 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:15.919 that's more disheartening. 192 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:20.159 Yep, yeah, well said, well said, all right, moving away 193 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:23.000 from the Jazz. Every time I have you on, I 194 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:26.559 always like to talk to you about your craft. Jael 195 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:28.960 is a stand up comic, and we're hoping that that 196 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:30.399 is his full time gig soon. 197 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:32.879 Obviously, everyone's got to pay the bills. 198 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:36.679 But I thought about you recently because I can remember 199 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:39.720 one of our first conversations. I asked you, who you 200 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:42.440 think you know the greatest stand up comic of all 201 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:44.440 time is, or just you know, some ideas about what 202 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:46.559 a Mount Rushmore would look like, or whatever the corny 203 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:50.240 thing is. And I remember you said Greg Giraldo is 204 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:52.440 one of your favorites. And it struck me because I 205 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:54.879 only knew Greg through the roast. I did not know 206 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:58.279 any of his stand up. And Hulu has this series 207 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.639 called The Dark Side of Comedy, and I saw they 208 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:04.120 did one on Greg and I watched it two weeks ago. 209 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:09.960 Zero clue that we're talking Columbia undergrad Harvard, you know, 210 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:15.279 JD graduated from you know, the the Ivy League institutions. 211 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:16.759 And yeah, and zero clue. 212 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:21.039 Simply you could tell, uh, you know, the snapshots during 213 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:23.080 the roast. You could tell that he was bright, he 214 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:25.480 was quick, you know, you could tell that he had juice. 215 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:28.039 But I didn't realize really what a powerhouse he was 216 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.480 as a stand up comic, and I learned about all 217 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:34.159 these things, and you were the first person I thought of. 218 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:35.840 I thought it was a really fascinating watch. 219 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:40.279 Yeah. I mean, Greg Garraldo is the guy who, you know, 220 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:45.240 I've always sort of dreamed of being. And the business 221 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:48.519 has changed, obviously, and I've carved out some niches in 222 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:51.919 the kind of impersonation space, but he's always been the 223 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:55.440 guy that I I, you know, I sort of wanted 224 00:11:55.480 --> 00:12:00.519 to be in terms of, you know, that smart but fescibl, 225 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:06.039 edgy but not edge lord kind of comedian. I think 226 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:08.879 he walked the line perfectly where he he had the 227 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.600 respect of like the trolls in the back of the room, 228 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:14.879 but also you know, the thoughtful people as well. He 229 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.519 just he just kind of walked that that line perfectly. 230 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:20.879 And it's a big loss. I mean, he was. It's 231 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.000 crazy to think I turned forty five last year and 232 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:26.639 I believe he passed away at forty four, which is 233 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:29.240 a strange feeling to be like the first, you know, 234 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:32.240 half of my comedy career. I'm looking up to this, 235 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:36.440 this giant and now I've lived. I've been a comedian 236 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:40.759 longer than like he was a comedian when I started, 237 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:43.879 if that makes sense. So, yeah, it's a crazy thing. 238 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:46.639 Yeah, I mean, ultimately tragic. 239 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:49.720 You know, at the end, I wonder if I could 240 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:53.679 ask you more of a macro question, because I haven't watched. 241 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:53.960 All of them. 242 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.519 But you know, there's like the litany of SNL cast 243 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.840 members that died far you young, and I think there 244 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:05.200 are three seasons of this series, and I really am 245 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:07.440 fascinated with the craft. I have so much respect for 246 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.759 people that have the courage to do it. I'm wondering 247 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:14.080 why you why you feel like this business inspires these 248 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:17.320 bright lights who shine very very brightly and then burn 249 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:18.320 out way too quickly. 250 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:22.080 Yeah, I mean, and right now, all I'm thinking is, well, 251 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.919 at least I know one more TV credit. I could 252 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:27.679 probably lock up if I'm willing to take the risk. 253 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:33.679 But but no, in all seriousness, I think what I 254 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:35.919 experience like I can only speak to myself, like I 255 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:40.960 got into comedy because honestly, I was sort of bummed out. 256 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:42.960 I mean, depressed is probably the right word, but I 257 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.840 wouldn't want to use that without a diagnosis. But I 258 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:48.120 was in the dumps in the middle of law school, 259 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:50.440 like living on my own long distance relationship and I 260 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:53.360 kind of just needed a hobby, and I gravitated to 261 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:55.440 try and stand up comedy at some open mics, and 262 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:58.000 I really enjoyed it. And I think what happens, like 263 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:02.559 with a lot of performing, whether it be you know, music, sports, whatever, 264 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.399 when you get that adrenaline rush, it wears off. You know, 265 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:11.279 my first five six years doing comedy, I would leave 266 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:13.879 stage after a good show and feel like high for 267 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:17.480 the next three days. And then I noticed something about 268 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:20.320 halfway through my career. I remember the moment it happened 269 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:22.399 when I'm feeling great on stage, and by the time 270 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:25.399 I was off the stage, the feeling was gone. And 271 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:27.759 you know, I sometimes when I go to music concerts, 272 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:30.200 I say, of course, some of these guys have drug 273 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:34.039 and drinking problems, because can you imagine the the boost, 274 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:39.000 the the adrenaline, the whatever seratonin rush you get from 275 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:42.440 like people worshiping you and loving your art, and then 276 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:44.559 you have to come down from that. And I think 277 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:49.080 comedy probably there's there's other issues involved with it in 278 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:51.559 terms of maybe for a lot of people it's a 279 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:54.480 desire for attention, or it's a coping mechanism. You know, 280 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:59.840 Humor can sometimes be a deflection of insecurities or traumas 281 00:14:59.919 --> 00:15:03.080 or or whatever. And I just think when you throw 282 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:05.600 that all together, there's plenty of well adjusted comedians. There's 283 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.000 plenty of people living normal lives, etc. Who do stand 284 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:12.840 up comedy and affiliated sort of arts. But I think 285 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:16.840 also there's a lot that goes into that both before 286 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.360 becoming a comedian and then sometimes even with success, that 287 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:22.799 can have its own drawbacks, Like I'm saying, in terms 288 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.600 of that up and down to the extreme in terms 289 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:30.639 of your emotions and happiness. So I think it's a 290 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:33.320 combination of things that you just have to be, you know, 291 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:36.519 kind of mentally if you can mentally psychologically on guard 292 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:40.519 for to keep yourself somewhat grounded when things get high 293 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:43.559 and not get too down in the dumps when things 294 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:45.159 kind of settle in or get low. 295 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:46.840 But let me follow up. 296 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:48.639 Let me follow up with one thing, because this just 297 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:50.720 kind of occurred to me. And I am not a 298 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:53.879 stand up comedian, right but I do this every day 299 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:57.279 for four hours without a co host, and when I'm 300 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:01.879 done with my show, I am I have zero energy. 301 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:04.240 I have to go home. I can't talk to anybody. 302 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.480 I need like an hour before I'm even like back 303 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:08.799 to being human. 304 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:11.000 Again, And well, I often. 305 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:12.960 Wonder if that's a healthy endeavor, But I really love 306 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:14.759 what I do. You know, it's a blessing to be 307 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:17.480 able to do this and pay your bills. So how 308 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:19.679 do you And you answered this a little bit at 309 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:22.240 the end of the last question, but how do you 310 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.440 handle that I'm on stage, I'm making an entire room laugh. 311 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:28.759 I killed it, and then boom. 312 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:30.759 You walk out of that club, you go back to your. 313 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:32.600 Hotel, and then you're just in your room. 314 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:36.039 How do you traverse that space that seems to eat 315 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:37.519 up some people that don't handle it? 316 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:43.559 Well, yeah, I think for me, you know, obviously it 317 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:45.960 would help if I could start making a room laugh. 318 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:48.440 I guess maybe that's why it hasn't happened for me yet. 319 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.240 But twenty one years in, we'll still we'll keep fighting. No, No, 320 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:56.399 I think what used to happen with me is I'd 321 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:00.559 be so pumped up, like positively. I'd go, I'd drink, 322 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.720 I'd hang out, and I just feel good. I wouldn't 323 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:05.759 necessarily come down from that. I would just but it 324 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:09.680 would all be positive. Now, the oddest thing happens is 325 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:12.839 whether it's middle age or just adjusting I go to 326 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:16.480 sleep very easily after shows because I basically get the 327 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:20.440 adrenaline rush from meeting fans, you know, because there used 328 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:22.400 to be when I was you know, I'm still a 329 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:25.119 relative nobody, but when I was a real nobody, it 330 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:28.440 was kind of like anybody telling you a compliment, like 331 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:31.920 a stranger going you were funny. That's amazing. Now because 332 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:35.079 I've reached a lot more people, especially you know, through 333 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:39.559 social media and YouTube and the Internet, I get my 334 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:46.160 most enjoyment from meeting fans, like knowing that they specifically 335 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:50.720 came out to see me. That's like a really like good, 336 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:54.799 wholesome feeling. And I think it helps that I had 337 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:58.359 had such a long career of anonymity that you know, 338 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:01.960 I never hit like rock star level fame and probably 339 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.440 never will so but I think in a way that's 340 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:06.720 kept me in a place where I can kind of 341 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:11.599 take real pleasure from like good but simple moments like hey, 342 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:14.279 I met like twenty fans in this city who I've 343 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:17.240 interacted with online, and that just felt and that it's 344 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:18.960 like it's a weird thing to say, but it's like 345 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.279 it's kind of very pure. It's very milk and cookies 346 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:27.200 instead of you know, heroin after a show, So I 347 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.519 think that's I think I'm I'm you know. A silver 348 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:32.839 lining to being where I'm at, which is maybe not 349 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:35.119 exactly where I want to be career wise, is that 350 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:40.079 I'm in a grounded place where I can really get 351 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:44.839 that boost from just meeting fans instead of other things. 352 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:46.079 And it also helps I think that I have a 353 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:49.839 long term girlfriend, because obviously I'd be answering this question 354 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:51.720 way differently. I think if I were single. 355 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:57.799 Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, yeah, that's that's road. Man. 356 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:01.400 It's a NonStop party and I love it. And I 357 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:03.400 never want to come down from this high. 358 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:07.039 I don't I don't want to fire up season four 359 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:09.799 of Dark Side of Comedy Jail and see you having 360 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:10.359 that credit. 361 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:12.920 I don't want it, buddy, So let's see. 362 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:16.039 It'll be like the entire fourth season is dedicated to 363 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:18.720 Jail COVID. It's that epic a crash. 364 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:20.519 I don't want it, man, I don't want it. 365 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:22.880 All right, before I set you loose, we have a 366 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:25.799 very special guest on hold. So for longtime listeners of 367 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:29.279 the show, Jail and I became familiar when he was 368 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:31.440 in town doing a show and when he told me 369 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:35.119 his background. I thought it was an interesting guest to have, 370 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:38.319 and then when I heard his Donald Trump impression, I'm like, 371 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:41.480 we have to get jail on as somebody who has 372 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:44.599 jazz knowledge to talk about the jazz as if he 373 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:47.480 were Donald Trump. So jail, please hand the phone over 374 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:52.000 to our former and now future president President elected Donald Trump. 375 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:53.200 Your take on the Utah Jazz. 376 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:57.519 It's great to be here. Obviously, that's very sad what 377 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:00.680 happened today in court where I did nothing only except 378 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.200 get convicted of thirty four felonies, and they're treating me 379 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:06.559 like a felon. Have you ever heard of something so silly? 380 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:09.440 Just because I've been convicted of felonies, they now call 381 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:13.000 me a felon. But anyway, let's talk about the Utah Jazz. Okay. 382 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.319 And I knew they were in trouble now, you know, Spence, 383 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:16.279 Can I call you Spence Uck? 384 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:18.200 Yeah? Please do, mister President. I. 385 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:21.599 I you know, I don't like welkness, Okay, I don't 386 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:25.200 like DEI but I turned on the Utah Jazz game 387 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:27.839 last night and I could have worn I saw possibly 388 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:31.279 four whites on the court at the same time, and 389 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:34.200 I thought maybe a little DEI maybe a little woken. 390 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:36.960 Maybe the Utah Jazz could use a little bit of wokness. 391 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:40.720 There seems to be they've gone they've almost gone too far, 392 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:42.960 if I can say that, I respect it, but I 393 00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:46.359 maybe too far. And we love we love Big Walker 394 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:51.799 Big Walker Texas ranger Tessler, mainly because he's a beautiful girlfriend. 395 00:20:51.920 --> 00:20:55.039 I think just one Miss America can't believe that. And 396 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:57.599 I wasn't even there to walk in the dressing room 397 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:00.880 to see how they were doing, so very proud of him. 398 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:04.160 And there's a guy I thought they had, Bad Bunny. 399 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:07.039 You know this guy Bad Bunny. He's a singer. I 400 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:09.119 don't know if he performs in utube, but he's a big, 401 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:12.599