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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma in a land that time forgot. Oh well, time

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<v Speaker 1>seems to have moved on faster than Oklahoma does. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't yet twenty sixteen when Oklahoma residents said we

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<v Speaker 1>would like to not be staying in the garden of

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<v Speaker 1>Eden or at the divine creations. These people are saying,

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<v Speaker 1>and we would rather not be funding the Christianity. So

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<v Speaker 1>what are they doing this time? They're trying again, only

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to go back even further. Oklahoma once again

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<v Speaker 1>doing Christianity the only way that it can do Christianity,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is sneakily and through the back door. This

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<v Speaker 1>is an article all about how Oklahoma legislators are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to push through indirect funding of religious buildings. This will

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<v Speaker 1>primarily be Christian buildings, and hemat Matter says it better

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<v Speaker 1>than us all on his friendly atheist blog from the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty second of January, doesn't he tell on? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he definitely did this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So for those people that don't know what the

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<v Speaker 2>how we're talking about. So there is a States senator

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<v Speaker 2>that really, really, really really loves his Bible. He loves

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<v Speaker 2>it so much and he wants all the kids to

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<v Speaker 2>also love his Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>As much as he loves it.

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<v Speaker 2>And he wants to take money away from public education

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<v Speaker 2>and funded into private schools. And this way there will

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<v Speaker 2>be religious teachings within these schools. That's not why we

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<v Speaker 2>have a seculary government. And he's being super steaky about

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<v Speaker 2>it because he wants there wasn't a There was a

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<v Speaker 2>clause in the state of the Oklahoma Amendment that says

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<v Speaker 2>that you could not use public funds for private or

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<v Speaker 2>private education. If you want to go take direct direct

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<v Speaker 2>or in direct. Yes, it was direct and.

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<v Speaker 1>Direct and in direct. Well, this lunatic wants to do

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<v Speaker 1>and I call him a lunatic here. There is nobody

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<v Speaker 1>caninology that is desired here, but he wants to remove

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<v Speaker 1>bedlam over here. But that's Oklahoma for you. Anyway. What

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<v Speaker 1>we have here is we have a man who doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>understand how things were. He wants to remove the words

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<v Speaker 1>indirect from the clause that stopped him from getting a

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic charter school. That's the long and the short of

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<v Speaker 1>it here. And Oklahoma is about as red as the

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<v Speaker 1>top that Aaron is wearing. So thinking of this and

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<v Speaker 1>thinking that voters in gloom they must be all gung

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<v Speaker 1>home for this, Yes, gung ho, you'd say, well, actually no.

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<v Speaker 1>They told him to sod off last time in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>which was quite refreshing. At the height of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the forty fifth president being elected and the first viable

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<v Speaker 1>female candidate getting defeated and his party getting control of

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<v Speaker 1>the House and Senate. Nationally, voters in Oklahoma went, nah,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want thisubbish.

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<v Speaker 3>Fifty seven forty three percent.

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<v Speaker 1>It was small. It was twelve points. It's two points.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's pretty big all things considered, I would I

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<v Speaker 3>would say that's a pretty big disparity.

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<v Speaker 1>So the question for the payer of you here, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were living in Oklahoma, Aaron, what would you be doing.

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<v Speaker 3>If I live in Oklahoma, I would be calling up

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<v Speaker 3>my representatives and say, knock it off this bill right now. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>this bill is only in committee, so it hasn't really

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<v Speaker 3>made it to the floor for open debate and actual passage.

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<v Speaker 3>But if if I was in Oklahoma, I would be

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<v Speaker 3>calling up my representatives and say this. I like the

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<v Speaker 3>car constitution the way it is. I like that our

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<v Speaker 3>constitution says that we cannot fund churches, either directly or indirectly.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a good thing. So please make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>this does not leave committee if at all possible, and

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<v Speaker 3>if it does, it should be soundly defeated. We do

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<v Speaker 3>not want religion in our government because what religion does

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<v Speaker 3>is religion makes thought, thinking and believing things crimes. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the Ten commandments makes thinking certain things of crime.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why you do not cover thy neighbors ass

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, depending on my neighbors asses, that shall not

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<v Speaker 1>cover thy neighbors. I feel that's why I am against religion.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm against religion in our government because of the

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<v Speaker 3>thought crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you cover thy neighbors ass?

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<v Speaker 3>It depends on the ass.

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<v Speaker 1>And how you're coverting your time assuming So hello, if

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<v Speaker 1>you a wonderful resident of Oklahoma, what would you be doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I we're not talking like you know, the standard staff

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<v Speaker 1>writing letters phony people. What would you be doing personally

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<v Speaker 1>in this context?

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<v Speaker 2>So, well, I'd be I'd be streaming into a pillow.

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<v Speaker 2>But I already do that anyways at all times, but

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<v Speaker 2>I would there would not Just I'm I like to

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<v Speaker 2>make stinks, So when I see ship like this, I

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<v Speaker 2>tend to want to rally other people and make that

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<v Speaker 2>make stinks. Because if you if they voted back in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen that they were like, no ah, we like this,

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<v Speaker 2>we like this separation of church and state. I'd be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>remember we did this.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it again. We're going to do it again.

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<v Speaker 2>Irish to tell people like, hey, keep an eye on this, motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 1>If this is very Irish. This does. As an Irish

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<v Speaker 1>citizen myself, I remember there was this thing called the

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<v Speaker 1>Treaty of Lisbon in two thousand and eight and two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine. We also had it with the Mars

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<v Speaker 1>Strict Treaty and the and the Treaty of Nice as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So us in Ireland we we have to vote on

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things to change our constitution. And they went, nah,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really want this treaty. So what do they do?

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<v Speaker 1>Eighteen months later they went, do it again, please give

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<v Speaker 1>us the right answer. That's basically what they did. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and we went back to the post two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine, In two thousand and four, we went

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<v Speaker 1>back to the public of two thousand and five, and

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety one we went back to the policies.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety two, because you know, we've got given

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong answer, So, here are some concessions to you

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<v Speaker 1>sweeten the deal. Blah blah blah. But that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>feels how it is here you go, your the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>answer the first time, give us a different answer this time.

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<v Speaker 1>And where does that actually stop? And does this, in

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<v Speaker 1>your opinion, make a fart of the believability of the

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<v Speaker 1>sensibilities and structures of the state law itself?

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<v Speaker 3>Aaron, Well, it's just it's I'm not sure the law

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<v Speaker 3>is what we wanted to be and what we make it. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>we pass laws and we enforce laws, and so the

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<v Speaker 3>laws can be whatever we decide. It's all made up, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The laws get to be what we want them to be.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's something the people of Voklahoma. Do they want

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<v Speaker 3>this to be the law? Do they want their public money,

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<v Speaker 3>their taxes, to go indirectly towards towards churches?

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<v Speaker 1>And what does that actually mean? When you hear that?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you immediately think?

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what he means. To be honest,

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<v Speaker 3>the oracle the article says indirectly means they can fund buildings,

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<v Speaker 3>or it's kind of vague because the constitution right now

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<v Speaker 3>says directly or indirectly, And he wants to amend it

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<v Speaker 3>to take out the word indirectly, so you can indirectly

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<v Speaker 3>help a church. So maybe it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It means is so what this means is, let's say Helen,

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<v Speaker 1>where's a dog collar? And she has her congregation at

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<v Speaker 1>the Church of Helen every week. Why I ask, the

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<v Speaker 1>self appointed fund giver of Oklahoma cannot give dog collar

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<v Speaker 1>wearing Helen any money. But Aaron works for an organization

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<v Speaker 1>that is not a religious organization, but they work out

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<v Speaker 1>of the same building that Helen does. So I give

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<v Speaker 1>money to Aaron, and Aaron then gives the money to Helen.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how you get round the directness of this. So

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron runs his nice community group in the back rooms

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<v Speaker 1>of the church, and Helen charges a fee for that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's indirect funding, and that's not allowed. You might think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the harm in that? What's the problem with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the problem with that. It's because it gives an

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<v Speaker 1>unfair promotion to organizations to take the piss. Oh you're

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<v Speaker 1>a builder that wants to build on this site, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to do? I want to build the

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<v Speaker 1>community center. Oh, how wonderful for you. Every Sunday we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to fill it up with a load of people

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody wearing a dog collar to talk from this

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<v Speaker 1>book as well. Oh that's wonderful. You can do that

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<v Speaker 1>because of the community funding aspects that we're doing. That's

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<v Speaker 1>indirect funding. But you've just built a church with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the idiocy of what we're doing here.

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<v Speaker 1>The law is written in the Constitution of Oklahoma in

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<v Speaker 1>a very specific way to stop us starting around here,

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<v Speaker 1>stop off the series because people, unless you nail down

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<v Speaker 1>the jelly, and that's what you're doing here, You're nailing

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<v Speaker 1>down the jelly here, someone's going to find a way

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<v Speaker 1>to drive a coach horses through and raise the America's

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<v Speaker 1>Cup and you can't have that. So what we have

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<v Speaker 1>to say to people like this website quite loudly, is

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<v Speaker 1>bogger off.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so this this isn't It seems like the person

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<v Speaker 3>that's writting this seems to think that the only religion

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<v Speaker 3>is Christianity, right, like he What would this person feel

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<v Speaker 3>if a religion he doesn't agree with starts to get money?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they going to do? Are they going to want that?

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<v Speaker 1>And then cut your I'll drag you back here to

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<v Speaker 1>articles we've done before on the Church of Satanism, the

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<v Speaker 1>Church of Satanism apply for some indirect funding. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that the man sponsoring this would go yes, would

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<v Speaker 1>happily give them some money. No?

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<v Speaker 3>I accluely think that. That's my point, right, That's my

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<v Speaker 3>point is if we gave money to the Church of

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<v Speaker 3>the the Church of Satan, the Satanic temple sorry, or

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<v Speaker 3>a mosque or a synagogue or any of that nature,

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<v Speaker 3>what would his reaction be would he still would he

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<v Speaker 3>agree with that or not? I have a tendency to

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<v Speaker 3>think that what he really wants to do is just

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<v Speaker 3>fund Christian things, and that's not Christian he's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be against because that's usually what people like this think.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the whole reason. And it doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 3>do with non Christian religions. It can also be different

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<v Speaker 3>sex within Christianity. What happens when a sex you don't

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<v Speaker 3>agree with in Christianity wants to get money, you still

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<v Speaker 3>want to give them money.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the whole reason.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one of the reasons where we try to keep

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<v Speaker 3>religion out of our government and keep our government secular

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<v Speaker 3>is so we don't have these stupid pissing matches between

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<v Speaker 3>dogmas and religions and beliefs.

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<v Speaker 1>So getting down to brass tax here. Hello, Yes, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the motivation behind it? Not superficial keypants more wart, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the actual motivation behind this you thing?

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<v Speaker 2>It's Christian national shit as it always is. It is

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<v Speaker 2>to force the state to adhere to THEO someone that

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<v Speaker 2>wants a theocracy. He so, I am not a miss

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<v Speaker 2>of this gentleman's name, Senator Dan Dana Prido. Just everybody tape,

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<v Speaker 2>just remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Priato, I don't care, do I care? I pronounced

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<v Speaker 1>it correctly now? I E t O p r I

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<v Speaker 1>E t O. We're not. We're not being ignorant here

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<v Speaker 1>in any way, shape or form. We're just struggling with

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<v Speaker 1>the pronunciation because we don't know the gentleman's ethnicity. And

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<v Speaker 1>as a result of that, there are many ways that

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<v Speaker 1>you could pronounce this name.

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<v Speaker 2>I pronounce things phonetically. That's how I read them. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's me anyway, regardless of my pronunciation of this gentleman's name.

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<v Speaker 2>He he's not thinking of the broader context as like

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron brought up about like other religions do they get

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<v Speaker 2>the same funding? He wants his special book and because

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<v Speaker 2>he really really loves this guy dad, and he wants

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<v Speaker 2>other people to really love his guy Daddy. And he

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<v Speaker 2>knows that in doctrination works. And I find it really

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<v Speaker 2>funny that he has to do like this, like sneaky

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<v Speaker 2>sneaky stuff. When aren't you, like, as a Christian is

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be honest, can't you just be transparent about

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<v Speaker 2>like what the hell you're doing? No, you can't, because

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<v Speaker 2>if he directly said to you know, the voting populace

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<v Speaker 2>that in drag means I want to take that is

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<v Speaker 2>south so I can go around the back way and

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<v Speaker 2>make sure money's going to private schools.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the next question for you. Do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a viable argument to be made that if you

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<v Speaker 1>were to change this, it would render the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>religion those people who are irreligious, those who are anti religious,

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<v Speaker 1>and dare I say, people like ourselves who have no

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<v Speaker 1>any way, shape or form, or any religion for that matter.

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<v Speaker 1>So Aaron Helen, how do you see the end point

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<v Speaker 1>of this If this is to go forwards and it

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<v Speaker 1>is just church after church after church, but then some

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<v Speaker 1>bright spark a few years later goes right, means that

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<v Speaker 1>we can fund anything we like.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it's I think it's it's troubling because

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<v Speaker 3>it starts a slippery slope of funny religion. So first

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<v Speaker 3>that the alteration could be indirect, and then the next

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<v Speaker 3>alteration is direct, right.

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<v Speaker 4>And then and then the next alteration is only only

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<v Speaker 4>and then who's gonna who's gonna win whoever, whatever religion

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<v Speaker 4>is in the majority, and then whatever religion is, the

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<v Speaker 4>majority is gonna have that power and they're not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>let go of that power.

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<v Speaker 3>Power given is really hard to take away. And so

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's where my worry is of this. This passes

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<v Speaker 3>is gonna it's just gonna give more power to the

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<v Speaker 3>already majority religion in that state, and other people that

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<v Speaker 3>don't have that power, that aren't part of that religion, Atheists, uh, made,

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<v Speaker 3>the members of the Satanic Temple, uh, Muslims and other

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<v Speaker 3>religions they're they're not gonna have any say anymore because

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<v Speaker 3>the most representation in the government is going to is

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm a clined degree and I'm also concerned

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<v Speaker 2>that because it's indirect, I want and my concern is

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<v Speaker 2>that if we're if the state is mostly Christian, that

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<v Speaker 2>the indirect funding, who's going to oversee where the money

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<v Speaker 2>is going and it is going to be honest?

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's another.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing we have to consider too, because if people have

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<v Speaker 2>motivations where they don't want, like the Satanic temple or

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<v Speaker 2>a Jewish synagogue or whatever, to get certain funding, they

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<v Speaker 2>can redirect it, or they cannot get a certain percentage.

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<v Speaker 1>They can cook books.

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<v Speaker 2>So like as Aaron said, like there's a slippery slope

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<v Speaker 2>here that I would like because this is direct and indirect,

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<v Speaker 2>that is a clear distinction to say no. And if

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<v Speaker 2>we start you know, changing, and I know the laws

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<v Speaker 2>are all up, I understand that, but I do under

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why we have the establishments clause is so

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<v Speaker 2>the slight stuff like this does not happen. But the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is, though, is that it's now happening, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more and more. That's what we keep talking about on

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<v Speaker 2>this damn show and it's just one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>that and I. But it's also a little bit frustrating

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<v Speaker 2>is the fact that he preto prido.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever, the senator, the state senator, the senator.

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<v Speaker 2>He's kind of banking on the members of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>his constituents to not know what direct and indirect means

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to what it comes to funding.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's a question, flip this on its head. Why

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<v Speaker 1>should we stop this? Why should we It's free speech.

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<v Speaker 1>You can believe what you want to believe. Money and

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<v Speaker 1>the way it is distributed is a form of free speech.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is this such a bad thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't think. I think there should be regulation

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<v Speaker 3>over a money, how much it gets spent, where it

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<v Speaker 3>gets spent, when it comes to the government and things

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<v Speaker 3>of that nature. Because we are seeing right now that

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<v Speaker 3>whoever has the most money wins, and whoever has the

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<v Speaker 3>most money wins. That means you've got to regulate where

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<v Speaker 3>that money gets spent. And if does that makes sense?

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<v Speaker 1>Really no, I don't really know. It doesn't make any

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason why I don't want this to happen because

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<v Speaker 2>it's schools. That's my issue, because I don't like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't if I'm sending if I was living in Oklahoma, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sending my child school and the charter school

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<v Speaker 2>gets more funding than the public school because that indirect

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<v Speaker 2>funding has a preference for the religious charter school.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's my issue because if we're going to start

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<v Speaker 2>distributing funds and we're going to start like doing sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like a ranking, I would prefer that the school

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<v Speaker 2>that's teaching the about a super special book and his

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<v Speaker 2>super special sky Daddy and he wants other kids to

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<v Speaker 2>learn about a super special sky day. That's fine, but

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<v Speaker 2>then you do it privately.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Catholic school.

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<v Speaker 2>My parents pay for me to go Clatter school when.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a child.

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<v Speaker 2>That was fine. Did I enjoy it? No, it was terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you stories.

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<v Speaker 2>But I got a good Friday off, like we got

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<v Speaker 2>religious holidays off. That was cool. So I have this

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<v Speaker 2>just leads to a whole bunch of problems. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is just stuff that I'm just like, stuff that's just

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<v Speaker 2>popping into my brain over like if you think about

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<v Speaker 2>it for more than two seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Oklahoma nationally ranked number forty nine in education in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. Oklahoma one of the most Christian places

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<v Speaker 1>in America. Is this just free speech and you money

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<v Speaker 1>being free speech or is this an absolute affront Establishment clause.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were in Oklahoma, what would you be doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Let us know below right now