WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:02.600 It's night with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:09.800 I'm going easy. Boston's the next two hours, we'll take 3 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:14.119 you on a tour of Boston. And that voice you 4 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:17.440 hear in the background, that's my buddy Jack Hart. And 5 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:21.280 Jack Hi. You are the tour guide. I'm the tour guide, 6 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:25.839 and you make sure that everybody behaves. Yes, don't stick 7 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:28.600 your arms out the window on the bus, that's right. 8 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.960 And tipping is allowed, that's. 9 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:34.840 Right, sometimes the left, sometimes for the right. 10 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:40.000 You hear Jackhart doing traffic as you did just a 11 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:44.560 couple of minutes ago, but he has an additional occupation. 12 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:47.640 That's right. Not only do I talk about traffic, I sit. 13 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:51.399 In it and at times even cause. 14 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:53.759 Traffic from time to time. 15 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:56.840 From time to time, that's exactly right. Tell people for 16 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:59.079 the company for what company do you work? 17 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:02.799 I work for a trolley tours. It's the Silver Trolley 18 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:05.000 of the several trolleys out and around them, the Silver 19 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:07.439 where the Silver Trolley Company will pick us up on 20 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.079 Atlantic Avenue, right by the Long Long Morph and right 21 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:13.680 near the New England Aquarium, and we're right out there. 22 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:16.239 Come up and buy a ticket, and if you tell 23 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:19.239 them that I sent you, they'll add two dollars out 24 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:19.719 of the price. 25 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:22.560 And how long is your tour? 26 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:27.319 About about thirty five? Oh, no, the time wise. 27 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:30.920 In time if you get on at ten, what time 28 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:32.319 is the tour over? 29 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:35.680 Well, it's a city, of course, so you know, we'll 30 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:37.799 tell you that it's an hour tour. We might be 31 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:41.640 back there in fifty five minutes. We might be back 32 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:44.640 there in an hour and ten minutes. And as has 33 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:46.560 happened a time or two towards the end of the 34 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.840 day before a holiday weekend, three hours. 35 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:56.560 Well, we have approximately an hour and fifty minutes to 36 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:58.519 take this tour with you. 37 00:01:58.840 --> 00:01:59.319 Excellent. 38 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:08.080 So everybody that goes to atlantav right there by the aquarium, 39 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:12.120 you've gotten your ticket. Now, this is a double decker bus, 40 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:12.599 is it not? 41 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:15.560 No, it is not. Oh okay, I'm sorry it's not though. No, 42 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:18.400 there are there are there are there are. There are 43 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:20.560 genuine double decker buses down there. 44 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:20.479 There. 45 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:22.479 There used to be two companies. Now there's only one. 46 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.560 Uh there and uh and they do their thing. They're 47 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:28.479 one of the newest companies in Then there's the Then 48 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.759 there's the the stadium buses. Those are the ones with 49 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:34.840 the very high seating, but they're not actually double decker. 50 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:37.439 They are only one deck, right, And those were actually 51 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:40.879 designed by a company that I by a group of 52 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:43.599 myself and several others in a company that I used 53 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:46.000 to manage that's went out of business two years after 54 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.840 I left, which nice but any rate, But so so 55 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:54.560 those exist. We have the the the the typical uh. 56 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:58.159 They're trolley's made by a company called Mally up and 57 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:04.800 up and oh Gunkwood, Maine and Wells, Maine actually and 58 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:07.960 and so they're it's essentially it's a it's a Ford 59 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:12.840 uh mobile home chassis what it is. And so yeah, 60 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.520 so they're they're the typical. They're like eleven feet high. 61 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:18.159 So you see them there. They're what you typically expect 62 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:20.039 to see when you when you look for a for 63 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:20.840 trolley tour. 64 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:24.479 Now the duck boats do the same thing. 65 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.080 Well they do that, No, they do something different. We 66 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:30.479 have an on and off formula, so you buy a 67 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:35.000 ticket with the with city view or with the uh. 68 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:38.439 The other companies and the people who are mean to 69 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:43.080 their passengers, and they're they're all kind of nice, I guess, 70 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:47.280 but they you know, the several of us do there. 71 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:49.319 There are several of us who do the on and 72 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:52.560 off formula hop on and off, although nobody nobody hops, 73 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.360 everybody's always stepping. But they're the the on and off tours, 74 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:57.439 so you know, they are a number of stops throughout 75 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:00.479 the city. City View has nine stops throughout the essentially 76 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:03.319 around the Freedom Trail route, and you get off. You 77 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:04.840 spend as much time as you want. You want to 78 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:07.240 go to the Constitution, spend two hours there if you want, 79 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:10.199 spend fifteen minutes there. About every fifteen to twenty minutes, 80 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:13.159 another one of our trolleys comes past, and you just 81 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:15.719 show your ticket and get back on the ducks. They 82 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:18.079 do something different. They do about an eighty minute tour. 83 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.639 You don't get off it. You have the same conductor. 84 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:24.000 No, because there's water and powder of the tour. 85 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:26.439 Well, oh yeah, just for a few minutes though, I mean, 86 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:29.600 you know, they take you on a pretty good surface tour, 87 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:33.040 pretty good surface tour of the city. And then they 88 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:35.759 go into the Charles River for forty seven forty eight 89 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:39.000 seconds and then they come out. No, no, they go 90 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:43.040 about ten minutes into the Charles River right and tightens 91 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:44.959 some stories and then they come back out. But you 92 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.399 don't get off that trip once you you know, well, 93 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:49.680 you get on, you take the entire trip, and then 94 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:51.600 you get off. Yeah, if you wanted to get off 95 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:54.040 in the middle of the Charles, there'd be news stories 96 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:58.439 about it every day. And so that's you know. So 97 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.680 that's the difference between the duck and the trolley. And 98 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.680 the trolley goes into the It can go into the water, 99 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:05.639 but only once. 100 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:10.839 It's not the going into the water, it's the getting 101 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:12.800 out of the water once you've gone in. 102 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:14.240 That's the tough part. Yeah. 103 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:16.439 Now I'm gonna tell you a quick story. Then we're 104 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:19.959 going to take our break and open up the phone lines. Excellent, 105 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:24.839 this happened. Oh good grief, my son, who's now forty one. 106 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:29.839 This happened when he was sixteen, maybe fifteen. I had 107 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:35.120 a show to do in Philadelphia. I brought him with me, 108 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:43.120 much to the overconcerned by my then wife now my ex, 109 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:51.040 and she gave me solid rules make sure he is safe. 110 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:54.079 She knew I was gonna be working at convention, so 111 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:57.120 I couldn't keep eyes on him. But one of her 112 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:03.160 rules was make sure he never leaves the hotel. Now 113 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:08.040 I'll repeat that, never leaves the hotel. And we stayed 114 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.120 at the Adams Mark hotel, which is on the outskirts 115 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:20.000 of Philly. It's like Framingham to Boston. And I told him, Evan, 116 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:26.120 I'm going to work. You cannot leave the hotel. And 117 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:32.199 he became friendly with the concierge there, and he was 118 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:36.519 told by the concierge that there's a tour. You get 119 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:39.720 on the bus. It takes you all around Liberty Bell 120 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:45.199 Ben Franklin Statue in Philly. Yay. So when I came 121 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:49.000 home that day, because it's a four day convention, he said, Dad, 122 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:53.920 can I go on the tour? I'll stay on the bus. 123 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:58.439 Here are the two words. I promise, I'll stay on 124 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:02.800 the bus. And I figure, fine, how often does a 125 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:05.800 teenager get a chance to see one of America's most 126 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:06.759 historic cities? 127 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:08.680 Sure the other great Liberty. 128 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:11.680 So here we go. I told him he could go. 129 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.480 He goes. Now, I don't hear about this until after 130 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:22.759 the fact. I come back after doing trivia at this 131 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:28.639 convention all day, and he told me this is a 132 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.879 great city. I was able to get off the bus 133 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:38.519 and I said, what, Oh, well, the bus comes around 134 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.079 and you can get on another bus if you know 135 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:43.360 where to pick it up. I said, I thought we 136 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:45.639 had a deal that you were going to get off 137 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:49.839 the bus. Oh but dad, it was safe, and you know. 138 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:51.399 How he was fifteen. 139 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:56.720 Yeah, okay, it was safe. He's now telling me past 140 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:02.480 tense about the story. But I knew if he told 141 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:07.480 the story to my ex, Holy heck would be dumped 142 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.120 upon my head. Yeap, yep, yep. And the fact that 143 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:14.879 I got to hear about all the places that he 144 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:16.800 was able to walk to, because a lot of the 145 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:22.600 Philly historic sites are within walking distance. Yet and still 146 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:26.040 the bus took you on a greater array of the 147 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:30.720 historic sites. So what you're telling me is you do 148 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:32.480 the same thing here in Boston. 149 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:36.519 We do the same thing. We we let children get 150 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:38.200 lost in the city. 151 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:43.879 Yet no, I'm stopping you here. On that note, I'm 152 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.360 going to take a break. If people want to call 153 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:49.799 in six seven, two, five, four, ten thirty or eight eight, eight, 154 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:54.639 nine to nineteen thirty and ask questions, Yes, trust me, 155 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:58.039 Jack knows Boston history. 156 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.600 And if I don't know something that I'll be something. 157 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:02.600 You make it up. Shit, don't tell them that. But 158 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:07.679 if you want to know about the Boston massacre and 159 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:12.000 the five people lost their lives, but another seventeen to 160 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:16.080 twenty people were wounded, and how it started with snowballs. 161 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:19.840 Jack can tell you all of that. That's right, that's right. 162 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.360 So let's take our break. Time and temperature here on 163 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:27.799 night Side ten sixteen seventy nine degrees. 164 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.240 Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World. 165 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.240 Night Side Studios on w b Z. 166 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:36.200 The news radio. 167 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:40.679 Dan, we'll be back on Monday, I promise. But until then, 168 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:43.279 I am here and I'm joined by Jack Hart, and 169 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:45.919 we're doing the best we can to teach a little 170 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:49.120 history on a Friday night here on Nightside. We've already 171 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:51.440 got a couple of calls. But Jack, before we take 172 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:56.320 a phone call, Yeah, I brought up the Boston massacre, 173 00:09:56.399 --> 00:09:58.879 and I know that's on our tour. I know we're 174 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:01.600 not going in if I sat with that now, But 175 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:05.600 since I brought it up, give the history of that 176 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:10.120 incident back in March of what seventeen seventy. 177 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:13.440 March seventeen seventy, no, seventeen seventy, yes, yeah, And it's 178 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:17.720 important that's that we know that particular date because here's 179 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:22.519 the thing. I contend that the Boston massacre was not happenstance, 180 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.080 that it was a setup. And I'll tell you why 181 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:32.000 number one March nineteen, seventeen seventy. So the British soldiers 182 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:36.320 showed up in Boston in seventeen sixty eight. They started 183 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:39.360 the occupation of Boston seventeen sixty eight. Boston was the 184 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:44.080 first town to get them, and Limesley because Boston, being 185 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:49.120 very rural, very urban people had more time to sort 186 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:52.039 of think a little bit. And after seventeen sixty five 187 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:57.200 with the Stamp Act. The Stamp Act imposed unreasonable taxes 188 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:00.360 on the colonists and it didn't last very long. Was 189 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:04.200 replaced by the Townsend Act that essentially said that England 190 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.679 can repeal the Stamp Act, but now we can make 191 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:10.159 any rule we want against the colonists and there's nothing 192 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:12.399 you can do about it. So from that came the 193 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:15.840 Sons of Liberty that grew out of Boston mostly and 194 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:22.320 with a little bit of activity down in Philadelphia. Boston 195 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:26.279 is the first town to experience the occupation of the 196 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:30.639 British occupation, and so by seventeen seventy they're here about 197 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.240 a year and a half. By March of seventeen seventy 198 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:34.399 they are about a year and a half. They were 199 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:38.200 out of March of sixty eight, but the other colonies 200 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:42.240 have not experienced this so much yet, and this rebellion 201 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:45.080 it's just a rebellion at this point seventeen seventy, very 202 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:48.679 early on, just a rebellion, so it hasn't really spread 203 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:52.480 to the other colonies so much. So now Sam Adams 204 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:55.679 and John Hancock, amongst their duties, is really to kind 205 00:11:55.679 --> 00:12:02.480 of create visibility and create support from other colonies and 206 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:07.840 from other groups for this burgeoning rebeccon and so on 207 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:11.480 March fifth, seventeen seventy pretty soldier to hear about a 208 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:14.279 year and a half, not very well, like they're pushing 209 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:18.360 people around. They're their own countrymen. Everybody's British here and 210 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:21.600 they're their own countrymen. And they're in Boston. They're pushing 211 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:25.080 people around, they're taking up resources. They're not getting paid 212 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:27.919 a novel lot from England for their service, so they're 213 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:30.960 they're taking part time jobs and things here and there. 214 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:35.759 So on this partition. A couple of days before first 215 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.080 of about a week or so before the Boston massacre, 216 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.480 down at what's now the intersection of Essex and Washington 217 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:50.639 and Boylston Streets right down there in Chinatown, and there 218 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:53.320 was a what they call the Liberty Tree. There was 219 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:57.600 a tree there that some of these rebels would meet 220 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:01.840 and plan their strategies and pass in from British soldiers 221 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:04.080 show up at one of these meetings and fire into 222 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:06.559 the crowd and kill the seventeen year old whose name 223 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:08.679 isn't coming to me now. So first of all, you've 224 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:10.440 got that going on, so you've got a little bit 225 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:14.080 of a you've got a little motivation. A few days later, 226 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:18.000 So a week or so later, over at John Gray's 227 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:21.600 rope Walk over in Charlestown, there's a long building along 228 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:24.320 the Charlestown Navy Yard every going down to the Charlestown 229 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:26.200 Navy As a building, it's about a quarter mile long. 230 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:29.440 It's called the Ropewalk. Its apartments are condominiums now, but 231 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:31.799 it's called the rope Walk. They made and all the 232 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.159 rope for the United States Navy was made there until 233 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:37.720 nineteen seventy four. But any rate they used to make 234 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:40.399 rope there. They had these long, quarter mile long buildings 235 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:42.240 because they didn't know you could coil it at that point, 236 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:47.320 and they so British soldiers came in at some point. 237 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:49.240 So now there's a lot of people are working there 238 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:52.720 making rope British soldiers came in at about a week 239 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:55.840 before this incident on King Street, as the British refer 240 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:59.639 to the Boston massacre. So about a week before, some 241 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.080 British soldiers show up at the rope walk and they're 242 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:10.559 looking for they're looking for work, and so the foreman says, yeah, 243 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:14.919 you can clean they essentially the outhouses. He didn't use 244 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:20.720 quite that pleasant language. And so a big fight and started, 245 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.000 and you know, it was like a like an anticap 246 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:27.080 comic strip, big cloud of a big cloud of arms 247 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:29.120 and legs stick it out of it, you know, and 248 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:31.559 a big beef between the people working at the rope 249 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:36.440 walk and and other people along the docks there and 250 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:39.480 these British soldiers. So big fight comes along. So a 251 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:41.759 week or so later, it's a Monday night, it's a 252 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:45.240 cold Monday night. There's one British soldier. And actually we 253 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:47.440 say that it happened in front of the old State House, 254 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:51.960 because the custom House is no longer. There would be 255 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.600 about where sixty State Street is right now, all right, 256 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:59.919 a tremont or a Congress and State Street. So they 257 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:05.399 there was one loan century and uh so early in 258 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:10.440 the afternoon, uh the couple of a couple of uh 259 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:15.600 uh uh young teenagers go by there and they start 260 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.559 throwing snowballs at the soldier, and a couple of mothers 261 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:19.879 come on. They get into a little bit of a 262 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.519 beef and everybody's given everybody a hard time, and a 263 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:25.799 couple of these soldiers, you know, they they sort of 264 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:30.120 huh whacked. These are these kids with the with the 265 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:31.120 butts of their rifles. 266 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:33.879 So now you just said these two things. 267 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:37.000 The soldiers had rifles, that's exactly right. 268 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:40.000 All the kids from the colonies had snowballs. 269 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:43.320 They had snowballs. So because because here's the thing, the 270 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:46.440 British had taken everybody's guns. They had taken everybody's guns. 271 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:48.919 They had no weapons. So this is what they're doing 272 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:52.639 is you know, I'm I believe that that that they're 273 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:55.080 they're they're there. This is all part of a plan. 274 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.639 And uh so a little while later, coming out, you know, 275 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:02.000 at nine o'clock at night on a Monday, all right, 276 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:05.679 it's snowing, it's cold, nobody's out. In seventeen seventy nine, 277 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:07.919 nine o'clock on a Monday, in a cold and snowy night, 278 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:11.639 all of a sudden, you know, several hundred people show 279 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:15.799 up down there and they start harassing these, you know, 280 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.480 the soldiers there, and then a few more come out, 281 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:22.360 total of eight soldiers come out, and so they start 282 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:27.559 pelting them with snowballs, rocks, coming at them with cudgels 283 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:33.080 or clubs, and so they're surrounding these eight soldiers. That 284 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:35.039 you've got eight soldiers that bags are up against a 285 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:38.840 wall somewhere three four hundred people are crushing in on 286 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:42.519 them and so a bell. So there's a lot of confusion. 287 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:44.399 There's a lot of yelling and a lot of things 288 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:48.759 going on. The soldiers are given the order not to 289 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:52.960 fire unless specifically ordered. They're not to fire at will. 290 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:55.799 They're supposed to wait for an order to fire. So 291 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:58.960 in the meantime, now, on a Monday night, all of 292 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:02.320 a sudden, a church in a nearby steeple starts ringing. 293 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:05.200 There's only two reasons why a church bell rings in 294 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:07.559 those days. One is a call the Sunday go to 295 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:10.400 meeting or other events at the church. The other is 296 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:14.720 because there's a frire. No because there's a fire. Okay, 297 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:19.039 So what happens people start yelling. So just as the 298 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:23.480 crowd is pushing in some the crowd starts yelling fire. 299 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:26.759 The soldiers are confused, they don't know what to do. 300 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:29.559 Matter of fact, amongst these soldiers are several of those 301 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:32.640 people who've gotten that fight down at at the rope 302 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:36.519 walk several days earlier. And so, you know, so so, 303 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:38.559 you know, and and a couple of them were what 304 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:42.519 we we call in today's you know, today's parlance, knuckleheads. 305 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:45.880 You knows, well, well big you know, a couple of 306 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:48.160 these soldiers with these sort of big, goofy guys, you know, 307 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:52.640 and who always willing to knuckle somebody's head anyway. And 308 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:56.039 so so at any rate, that kind of standing out 309 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:58.599 in front, sticking their chest out and things against his marble, 310 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:02.000 like three hundred people, and so they started crushing it. 311 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:04.680 The people are screaming fire. The soldiers don't know what 312 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.559 to do. They fire a word, they hear the word, 313 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.880 they fire into the crowd. They fire into the crowd, 314 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:13.039 and eight people had done. You said there were a 315 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:15.039 bunch of people down. You know, it takes too long 316 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:17.880 to load a musket. You wouldn't have had more than 317 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:20.920 eight people down, right, unless somebody got hit by the 318 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:24.240 same musket ball twice. So eight people are down and 319 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:28.200 u and because they're thinking that, well, first they raised 320 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:30.279 them muskets. They think they're going to chase away the crowd. 321 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:32.559 They think they're going to scare away the crowd by 322 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:37.359 raising them muskets. Crowd goes crazy, crowds goes wild. Now, 323 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:42.119 question is who's in this crowd now. Sam Adams and 324 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:46.000 John Hancock had a number of people who they call 325 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:50.000 their bully boys. And Sam's people were, you know, would 326 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:53.759 have been located more down along what we would call 327 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:59.039 the South Station area now right, and John Hancock's bully 328 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:01.119 boys would have been the people who were more down 329 00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:04.559 towards the north end in Charlestown area. Okay, And so 330 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:07.680 you know, so and that covers a big area. It 331 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:10.079 really does cover a fair fair pretty big area. 332 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:10.319 Yeah. 333 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:12.519 So you know, you've got a lot of people down there, 334 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:14.200 and a lot of these people to see, a lot 335 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:17.279 of these people like you know, uh, these people who 336 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:20.200 worked on John Hancock on his boats if if he 337 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:22.759 didn't have work then they were making rope over it, 338 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:25.519 John Gray's rope walk and so forth and so on. 339 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:29.480 So these are all people who are actually affected by 340 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:36.119 Britain's policies. They're actually affected because they're losing work and 341 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:38.440 uh and you know, these these are laborers. These are 342 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:42.119 people who need the money, you know, and because there's 343 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:44.559 no other, there's no other, you know, sort of high 344 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:47.119 side hustles. We have side hustles today. You know, you 345 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:50.119 don't have the side hustles some probably, but you know, 346 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:53.079 uh they if they well there were one was side 347 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:55.039 hustle was if you're worry were they're working on a boat, 348 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:59.759 You're working making rope and uh so you know. So 349 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:02.839 so my question is people don't even talk about this. 350 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.640 Are these people Sam and John's bully boys and so 351 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:12.240 five people two people die on the spot, Christmas Addicts 352 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:16.920 and Sam Gray they die on the spot, and three 353 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:22.160 others of Patrick Carr, Samuel Maverick, and James Caldwell they 354 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:26.480 died over the next several days, and then several others recovered. 355 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:29.480 And they're all considered to be the first bloodshed for 356 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:31.440 the cause of the American Revolution. 357 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:34.720 Now I gotta stop. I gotta stop here for break, Okay, 358 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:38.240 but we can pick that up and for Patrick from Colorado, 359 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.240 you will be first. As soon as Jack Cart finishes 360 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:46.720 the story about the Boston massacre here on night side 361 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:55.720 time and temperature ten thirty one seventy nine degrees. It's 362 00:20:55.839 --> 00:21:02.200 night Side with Dany Boston's News Dance Off. I'm here 363 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:05.559 on Morgan, don't forget. I have my showy Saturday night 364 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:10.319 at ten and Tomorrow night I'm going to be playing trivia, 365 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:15.119 having done it in a couple of months. But next Saturday, 366 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:19.640 the seventeenth scheduled and Jack, you know, you always have 367 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:22.119 to say that when you've got a special guest. That's right, 368 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:24.880 I've got Jerry Mathers as the beaver. 369 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:27.480 Really yes, wow, he. 370 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:32.200 Is scheduled and hopefully I'll be able to open up 371 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:34.720 the phone line. So anybody who's always wanted to speak 372 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:38.559 to Jerry Mathers, you can. I had Tony dow on 373 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:42.599 at least three occasions. He passed away within the past 374 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:46.039 year or so. But the beaver is still here. The 375 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:48.960 beaver is still here. You know, when we talk about 376 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:52.279 Cops Hill Burying Ground, we talk about the about some 377 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:54.200 of the people who are buried up there, including you know, 378 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:58.200 Cotton Mathers, Richard Mathers, Increased Mathers, Jerry Mathers, you know, 379 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:02.960 And I thought you were going to go in a 380 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:07.680 different direction because when you think of the Boston tea party, 381 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:13.200 the three ships were the eleanor the Dartmouth and the 382 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:16.519 Beaver and the beaver, the tread and the beaver. So 383 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:21.960 real quick, I'm going to have you interrupt your story 384 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:25.839 because Patrick and Colorado has been holding for like seventeen 385 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:29.279 to eighteen minutes, so let's bring him into our conversation. Patrick, 386 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:33.319 thank you for calling in. So where do you Hi there? 387 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:34.319 Hello? Patrick? 388 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:39.039 Hi Jack Jack. I want to talk about your role 389 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:42.680 in Boston history a little bit. Uh So, Tony Mesbitt, 390 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:46.240 who I'm sure you know, is Nathan's producer for many years, 391 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:50.079 and he has taken old Nor Nathan Show and made 392 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:51.039 a podcast out of him. 393 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:51.880 That's exactly right. 394 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:57.680 Yeah, wonderful, fabulous listening to it. You're a huge part 395 00:22:57.680 --> 00:22:59.519 of the show because you will always be on the 396 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:00.920 first the game playing. 397 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.920 The dumb birthday birthday game. 398 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:10.000 That's dumb birthday game, exactly. And it seems like you 399 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:15.440 won probably half the time I was won. If you 400 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:19.400 have any stories about norm you know at that time, 401 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:22.640