WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:02.960 All right, let's get a drivetime Wednesday afternoon night and 2 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:05.040 minutes past the hour of two o'clock. 3 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:06.280 It is another. 4 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:10.240 Scorching hot Utah July day outside and as it is 5 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:12.000 every single day, it's going to have you along for 6 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:12.560 the ride. 7 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:13.759 Spence check, it's beyond. 8 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:16.199 The Mic James is getting us on air today pulling 9 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:16.839 double duty. 10 00:00:16.879 --> 00:00:19.359 Porter will be along for the ride. Coming up in 11 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:20.039 just a little bit. 12 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:22.920 We have a jam packed, busy show on this Wednesday 13 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:25.039 afternoon edition of the program. 14 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:26.679 It is a Friday for us. 15 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:29.120 We have Pioneer Day off and then we're gonna have 16 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:31.160 a best of show on Friday. We'll be back with 17 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:34.439 live programming coming up on Monday of next week. But 18 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:37.439 we have a lot to do on the program today. 19 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:39.719 Day two a Big Ten Media Days at Mandala a 20 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:42.759 Bay in Las Vegas. Day two of ACC Media Days 21 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:46.000 in Charlotte, North Carolina. So a lot of college football 22 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.640 conversation throughout the new cycle. 23 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:50.640 Over the past twenty four hours. 24 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:52.719 Penn State picked to win the Big Ten this year, 25 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:56.479 not Ohio State, not Oreon. They did do a preseason 26 00:00:56.520 --> 00:00:59.159 media poll, unlike our friends in the Big Twelve. 27 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:01.560 Of course, Big Twelve Media Day SEC. 28 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:04.640 Media day now behind US mount West Conference last week 29 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:07.560 in Vegas. Utah State pick to finish ninth by the 30 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:12.120 media preseason. Nike Larson named All Mountain West Conference preseason, 31 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:14.040 the only Aggie to have that honor. 32 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:16.719 Bronco Menenhall year one. 33 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:19.319 For the Aggies up and Logan some interesting things to 34 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:22.439 say about his decision making process. So we have a 35 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.959 lot of college football to get to on the program today. 36 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:30.959 The latest with the potential scheduling, uniformity conversation, the expanded 37 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:36.040 CFP access for each conferences, automatic qualifiers and such. So 38 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:38.599 we'll get into the college football storylines as we are 39 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:41.280 less than forty days away. I believe it's thirty eight 40 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:44.040 days away from Utah football right around the corner now, 41 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:47.120 so a lot to get to. The New York Giants 42 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:50.439 have named a starting quarterback. It is not Jackson Dart, 43 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:53.959 not too surprising. It is Russell Wilson. Ryan Dayball came 44 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.719 out today and made that announcement, So a little NFL 45 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:01.760 on the program. Kyle Philipowski named Summer League MVP yesterday, 46 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:04.719 so a nice honor for Kyle. The Jazz actually held 47 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:07.519 an impromptu press conference kind of randomly or Kyle was 48 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:10.560 able to talk about that honor and what he hopes 49 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:14.280 to carry over year two as a pro basketball player 50 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:16.639 after a really solid rookie season. Not a lot of 51 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:19.439 NBA storylines, This is kind of a quiet time in 52 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:23.840 the world of pro basketball. Of course, Dame Lillard officially 53 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:28.479 back with the Blazers, Marcus smart As landed with the Lakers. 54 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:31.159 I don't know that the Jazz are going to really 55 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:34.960 do anything else, but a couple of interesting pieces out today, 56 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:37.960 including the worst decision every team has made over the 57 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:41.039 past five years, written by our friends at ESPN, and 58 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:43.879 there's a Jazz angle here that we'll get to on 59 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:47.159 the show. Our friends at the Athletic valued every college 60 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:50.280 football program as if they were kind of doing an 61 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:54.039 exercise to try to understand if a private equity firm 62 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:56.280 wanted to buy a football team what that would cost 63 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:58.319 both Utah and BYU on the list. We'll get to 64 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:01.280 some of that kind of interesting storylines in that direction. 65 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:06.560 It is the MLS All Star Game tonight. Did you 66 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:10.520 know that you didn't be honest? MLS Skills Challenged last night. 67 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:14.680 Diego Luna was featured the Summer Window for the World 68 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:17.840 of Professional Soccer opens tomorrow at least the world of 69 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:19.439 Major League Soccer here domestically. 70 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:21.479 Rumors are RSL is. 71 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:25.360 Expected to add multiple pieces as soon as that news breaks, 72 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:27.280 and his official We'll bring it to you Rayle saw 73 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:30.080 Lake will be in action on Saturday, welcoming in an 74 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:33.360 old friend is Chico, Orongo and San Jose rolling to 75 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:36.639 town to take on RSL for a seven thirty first 76 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.280 kick in Sandy. The game is on MLS Season Pass 77 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:40.439 on Apple TV. 78 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:41.680 So a ton to do. 79 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:43.960 The Pennant races are starting to heat up in the 80 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:46.560 world of Major League Baseball as the All Star weekend 81 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:49.280 is behind us, so a lot to do. On this 82 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:51.719 Wednesday edition of the program, good guest list for you guys, 83 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:53.719 Matt Brown will stop by right off the top. 84 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:54.840 Now Matt wrt's one of my. 85 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:59.319 Favorite college football newsletters and entitled Extra Points. It's a 86 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:02.000 one stop for me. Use it a lot to prep 87 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:05.080 for the show. Smart dude, good friend of the show. 88 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:08.039 Matt will stop by right off the top. Chris Comeradnie 89 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:10.400 typically a Friday staple, but it's kind of a Friday 90 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:13.639 for us, so Ck will be in studio today during 91 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:16.399 the three o'clock hour and then the voice himself, the 92 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:19.079 Voice of the Utes, Bill Riley joins us and my 93 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:23.319 buddy Reese Peck, who's an adjunct professor back east. He's 94 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:27.480 a local guy, very intellectual, fascinating guy. He's been on 95 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:29.839 the show a bunch of different times, so it's kind 96 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:32.920 of a different summer type approach when it comes to 97 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:34.279 some of these conversations we'll have. 98 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:36.399 So Reese will stop buy live in studio as well. 99 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:40.240 So Matt Brown, Chris Comaradnie, Bill Riley, respect me, Spence check. 100 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:42.800 Its all of you, the great listeners, and that guy 101 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:46.240 James Peterson sitting in the chair usually occupied by porter 102 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.160 pulling double duty today Humpy. 103 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:49.160 D Yeah a little bit. 104 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:51.600 Well, I mean you could probably say triple duty with 105 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:53.800 the PD title you just threw out there. But the 106 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:55.360 porter says. 107 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:55.800 He'll be here. 108 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:59.160 He's none exact time when he'll be able to get in, 109 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:01.759 but I'm happy to fill in form in the meantime. 110 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:06.000 No NBA storylines. What does a jazz player winning MVP 111 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:10.439 not in some NBA form of MVP not count as 112 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:11.240 NBA storylines? 113 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:14.240 Well, I did, I did, I did mention that you know, 114 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.519 as I say all the time, if you're. 115 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:20.000 For MVP in franchise history, right, So well them two 116 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:20.560 and now him. 117 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:22.759 Yeah, it's the first Jazz player to win Summer League. 118 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:25.000 But yes, Carl won a couple of regular season MVPs. 119 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:26.240 But I always say, if you're a fan of an 120 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:28.279 NBA team and your best players are playing on your 121 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:30.160 summer league team, it's not a great sid. That's a 122 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:32.480 good point, all right, So a lot to do on 123 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:34.360 the show. Good to guys, Good to have you guys 124 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:36.560 with us. We'll bring in Matt Brown right off the top. 125 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:40.319 Before we get to Matt. ESPN seven hundred welcomes Eric 126 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:44.040 Church to the Delta Center on October twenty third, twenty 127 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:45.759 twenty five. Tickets are on sale now. 128 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:48.199 You can text Church date seven seven three five three 129 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:52.079 zero seven hundred for a chance to win tickets to go. 130 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:56.680 See Eric Church. Courtesy of ESPN seven hundred. All right, 131 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.199 So Big twelve Media Days a few weeks ago. See 132 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:02.519 Media Days is about a week and a half ago now, 133 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:06.199 and it's big. It's Big ten Day two in Las Vegas, 134 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:09.519 and it's ACC Day two and Charlotte and ultimately it's 135 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:11.319 just an excuse to kind of cover some of these 136 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.480 storylines going on in the world of college football. As 137 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:17.680 we are less than forty days away for the University 138 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:20.839 of Utah to kickoff, and of course BYU Utah State 139 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:24.079 all of our local teams, so getting ready to open 140 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:26.240 up camp and we'll get some answers to some of 141 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:30.000 the questions that we have, namely for Brigham Young, who's 142 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:31.800 going to start at quarterback? As we now know that 143 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:36.199 Jakeretts laugh is headed to Tulane. Kind of an interesting 144 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:39.160 dynamic there when it comes to the way that went down. 145 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:41.839 As a result of the timing of the whole thing, 146 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:48.480 the transfer portal was not open and so the Tulane 147 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:52.279 coaches were not able to contact Jake Rrett's laughs directly. 148 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:53.720 They had to contact his reps. 149 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.680 As the story goes, Jake was recruited by the head 150 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:01.240 coach of Taulaine out of high school. So ultimately they 151 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:03.839 kind of have a situation where they know each other, 152 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:06.920 they're familiar with each other. So who will start at 153 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:10.519 quarterback for BYU. They'll open up the competition once fall 154 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.360 gets going. A lot of fan support for the bear 155 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:17.240 Bachmeyer kid. Of course, you know, left to kind of 156 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:19.759 wait and see who a rod decides to tab to 157 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:22.160 run his system. I think it's kind of nice that 158 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:25.000 for the first time in a few years, the University 159 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.839 of Utah does not have any ambiguity a by the 160 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:28.720 quarterback position. 161 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:31.240 And yes, Cameron certainly was named the starter. 162 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:33.240 We knew that when healthy, he was going to be 163 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:37.680 the guy, but just too many unknowns regarding that situation. 164 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:39.720 So to have it settled that. 165 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:42.839 Devin Dampier is the guy is a really really solid 166 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:45.680 thing for Utah heading into camp. As I say every 167 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.000 year about this time, if you're a fan of a 168 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.319 college football team, the less questions that you have in 169 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:55.160 turn camp, that's always the way to roll. So it's 170 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:57.560 good for Utah to have that solidified. We'll see how 171 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:00.360 BYU figures that out. As we're high speed, had to 172 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:03.680 actually talking about games in college football as opposed to 173 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:07.319 the future of conference realignment, the future of TV deals, 174 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:11.680 the expanded CFP, scheduling, uniformity, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 175 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:14.759 So UCLA opening game that is a late kick. 176 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:18.519 Remember BYU will get things going with Portland State, and 177 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:22.120 if you're BYU, I think that's ultimately a nice soft 178 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:23.040 landing spot when. 179 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:24.360 You're trying to break in a quarterback. 180 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.279 Because the interesting thing about the conversation regarding Jake Jake 181 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:30.279 Htz laugh is you hear a lot of people say, well, 182 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:34.279 and I've said this because it's true. Last year BYU's success, 183 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:37.879 in my opinion, wasn't predicated on the play of their quarterback. 184 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.279 You know, Jake was eleventh in the Big Big twelve 185 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:41.639 and QBR. 186 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:45.720 And he had some excellent moments in a vacuum, made 187 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.000 some big time plays down the stretch from some clutch 188 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:49.960 plays down the stretch. Certainly did that here in Salt 189 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:52.159 Lake City as they beat Utah last year twenty two 190 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.559 to twenty one with that crazy ending, And Jake deserves 191 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:57.399 a lot of credit for a lot of things. But 192 00:08:57.440 --> 00:08:59.559 if you're a BYU fan, I don't think this is 193 00:08:59.559 --> 00:08:59.960 a death pla. 194 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:00.879 I really don't. 195 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:04.559 But the other side of that coin is when you 196 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:07.240 haven't done something before and you're asked to do it 197 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.440 for the first time, I don't care how talented you are, 198 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:11.879 it's going to take a minute for you to kind 199 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:14.720 of get used to how that works. And whoever the 200 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:18.159 quarterback is will be taking their first snaps as the 201 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:21.039 quarterback for BYU. McKay holsted played as a freshman at 202 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:24.000 Utah State, and certainly some of the other qbs in 203 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:25.799 the room have a little bit of experience, but none 204 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:27.600 of them have the experience Jake did. 205 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.159 So I do think in a way. 206 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:32.879 This will be a setback, but I just don't think 207 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:35.360 it's a death sentence. And most of the preseason Big 208 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:38.639 twelve polls indicate as much. The Vegas over under for 209 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:40.960 wins for Brigham Young has not moved all that much. 210 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:43.679 But obviously when you have a question mark under center, 211 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:45.559 that's going to be the first topic and that's the 212 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.879 biggest question to me for any of our teams locally 213 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:51.799 here in state as we approach camp. So I referenced 214 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:55.440 this earlier. The Athletic wrote a really interesting piece. Matt 215 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:59.480 Baker wrote it, so college football program valuations, ranking every 216 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:00.919 power for team by how. 217 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:01.879 Much they'd sell for. 218 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:03.159 So. 219 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.679 I find stuff like this really interesting, and we've talked 220 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:07.840 about it on the show. I'm actually a little bit 221 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.360 surprised that it hasn't come to fruition tangibly, and it's 222 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:15.919 still more rumors and conjecture that private equity has not 223 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:18.679 made its way into the world of college football, at 224 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.159 least in a way that I thought it would once 225 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.879 this idea was kind of floated out. I believe it 226 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.200 was the owner of the Bucks who had a sports 227 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:30.200 conference just came out and said that he and his 228 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:32.559 partners are looking to make an offer to buy like 229 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:35.720 forty eight percent of Ohio state. And what's that number? 230 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:38.120 What does it look like? And how does that work 231 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:42.399 with public schools? Right when the local government is involved, 232 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:44.919 And it's not as seamless as being able to just 233 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:48.399 go buy a property. So when you look at the 234 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:53.759 rankings and tears that Matt Baker is essentially unpacked here 235 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:58.039 and he went through a pretty arduous process. I mean, 236 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:03.120 try to analyze markets, try to analyze brand awareness, current 237 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:07.799 and past success. The most valuable team in college football, 238 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:10.759 according to Matt's model, is the University of Texas, and 239 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:13.720 the valuation would be two point three to eight billion. Honestly, 240 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.960 I think that's low. Their three year average football revenue 241 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:20.320 is one hundred and eighty three million. And just going 242 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:22.879 down the list, as we talk about, if you're one 243 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.120 of those people that pushes back on the narrative of 244 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:29.559 the SEC and the Big Ten essentially owning the landscape 245 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:31.840 of the sport, this is not the list that you're 246 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:34.759 looking for, Texas would be one out of the SEC, 247 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:38.360 and then you have Georgia at two. Ohio State is 248 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:43.120 valued at three, Notre Dame Independent at four, and then 249 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:47.000 Big Ten's Michigan Michigan out of the Big ten would 250 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:50.600 be five, and then it goes Bama SEC, Oklahoma SEC 251 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:57.440 USC Big ten, Tennessee SEC, LSU SEC, Penn State Big ten, 252 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:02.320 Florida SEC, Auburn SEC, Oregon Big ten, Texas A and m SEC, 253 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:07.840 Washington Big ten, Nebraska Big ten. The first team on 254 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:13.679 the list of these valuations is Florida State at eighty 255 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:15.200 eight hundred and sixty seven million. 256 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:16.120 They're out of the ACC. 257 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:19.279 Then it's Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State all out of the 258 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:23.879 Big ten. Back to the ACC where it's Clemson, and 259 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:28.080 then it's Arkansas, Miami ACC. We have not named a 260 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:32.000 Big twelve team yet Old Miss SEC, North Carolina ACC, 261 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:37.039 South Carolina SEC, Minnesota Big ten, and the most valuable 262 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.519 team in the Big twelve, according to Matt Baker's model, 263 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:43.679 is none other than the University of Utah, valued at 264 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.519 five hundred and thirty nine million, and Utah is the 265 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:49.559 first Big twelve team on the list. And then TCU 266 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:51.919 is the second Big twelve team on the list, but 267 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:56.279 of the top twenty five most valuable properties in college football. 268 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:58.159 Excuse me, the top thirty. 269 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:02.399 The University of Utah is the first Big twelve team 270 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:05.320 in at number twenty nine. The rest of the top 271 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:08.720 twenty eight, it's laced in SEC and Big ten with 272 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:12.080 a few ACC schools. TCU comes in right after Utah 273 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:14.960 number thirty. And as we make our way down the list, 274 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:17.799 I am still not seeing Brigham Young, which is a 275 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:22.879 little bit surprising. So Colorado is in the mix. So BYU, 276 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.919 their valuation the ninth most valuable team in the Big twelve. 277 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:31.279 The average football revenue forty three point seven million dollars 278 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:34.519 and their projected price would be three hundred and six 279 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:35.360 million dollars. 280 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:38.480 So the ninth most valuable team in the Big twelve BYU. 281 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:41.600 That feels low. Interesting to consider kind of how this 282 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:46.200 model unfolded. But again, of the top twenty most valuable teams, 283 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.919 you have two ACC teams and then everyone else is 284 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:51.360 SEC in Big ten. Because that's just kind of how 285 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:52.600 the sport as unfolded. 286 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:55.120 All right, Chris Camraaddie. 287 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:57.600 From the Athletic will join us live in studio Today 288 00:13:57.679 --> 00:13:59.559 during the three o'clock hour, we have the voice of 289 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:02.600 the utes. O'Reilly, My buddy respect will roll by in 290 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:03.759 studios well. 291 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:06.279 Batty leadoff Wednesday Afternoon Style. 292 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:11.000 Our buddy Matt Brown writes the college football newsletter Extra Points, 293 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:13.279 which I use all the time to prep for the 294 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:16.120 show and understand the landscape of the sport. Matt, Happy Wednesday. 295 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:17.559 Happy Wednesday, Buddy. How are we doing? 296 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.240 Hey, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me back. 297 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:21.399 I appreciate the time. 298 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:25.039 So as far as all of these moving targets that 299 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:27.480 are going on right now, you know, we had Big 300 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:31.320 twelve media Days, we were down in Dallas, SEC Media 301 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:34.879 Days Atlanta, and now we've got ACC and big Big 302 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.879 ten going on right now, Big ten in Vegas, ACC 303 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:40.480 and Charlotte. I'm gonna ask you, what is the most 304 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:44.720 interesting story permeating throughout the ecosystem of college football right 305 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:46.480 now that you're interested in personally? 306 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.759 What I'm interested in personally are generally not the same 307 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:53.440 things that everybody else is. And also I recognize that 308 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:56.480 I've been I've been out of the country until just 309 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:59.039 a couple of days ago, and I've missed part of 310 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:03.320 talking se but I generally don't find conference media day 311 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:08.440 conversations to be that illuminating, right Like for me, I 312 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:10.840 think some of the really interesting stuff that's happening right 313 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.879 now is what's happening in DC. It's what's happening within 314 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.120 the NCAA and the College Sports Commission and determining what 315 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:21.559 kind of NIL activity is going to be permissible. It 316 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:25.000 looks like that window as much larger than we thought 317 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:26.759 it was going to be a couple of days ago. 318 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:29.559 And what's happening with some of these smaller schools. I mean, 319 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:31.679 like before you called, I was, I was finishing editing 320 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:36.399 a story on golf, right, So I think my professional 321 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:38.440 instinct is to zig a little bit where where people 322 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:40.480 are zagging. I'll have some time to go check the 323 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:42.519 pregem magazines and figure out who's going to be on 324 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:44.559 what roster in the Big Twelve in a couple of days. 325 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:47.000 Sure, And you know, ultimately we're not going to talk 326 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:49.879 about the too deep for you know, Utah or any 327 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:53.039 other Big twelve team on the show today. I wonder 328 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:57.360 as it pertains to the world of NIL and enforcement. 329 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:00.360 You know, one of the interesting soundbites we had from 330 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.279 Big Twelve Media Day from multiple coaches, including coach with 331 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:07.320 Kyle Whittingham and Kalani is that there just seems to 332 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:10.480 be zero faith in the ecosystem of college football in 333 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:14.200 this potential enforcement and what it looks like. And if 334 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:16.840 we're honest, Matt, there's never been an even playing field 335 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:18.960 and there never will be. You always find ways to 336 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:23.039 circumvent certain situations if you don't really care about approaching 337 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.440 things with some sort of moral code. But as far 338 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.600 as the progress or lack thereof with the enforcement of nil, 339 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:32.639 what sort of light can you shed on that? 340 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:35.919 Yeah, I don't blame any of those coaches for saying that, 341 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:39.679 and I'm not accusing anybody into Big twelve of mal 342 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:43.200 seasons or anything. But you know I can tell you 343 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:44.919 as a reporter based on who I talk to, is 344 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.759 generally if I talk to an ad or conference staffer, 345 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:52.279 they are there's some cautious optimism, right, And they're the 346 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:54.679 ones that talk to the lawyers all the time. They 347 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:56.960 see things from a different perspective and they think like, 348 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.399 all right, like maybe the sports maybe it doesn't, but 349 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:02.600 I'm I'm willing to give it a shot. I think 350 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:04.920 there's a possibility. So when you talk to people that 351 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:10.480 work in player personnel, gms, recruiting coordinators, you know, opts people, 352 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.240 or head coaches. I haven't yet to talk to anybody 353 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:16.359 in FBS to big school or small school that has 354 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:18.640 faith in the system. And part of that is I 355 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:20.279 think if you're a GM and you're talking to other 356 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:23.640 gms and other recruiting staffers and assistants on other programs, 357 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:26.279 you're being paid a lot of money to win, and 358 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.240 you win by having the best players, and you don't 359 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:33.799 get contract extensions or get rewarded for outstanding fidelity to 360 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:39.119 NCAA bylaws or to Collegiate Sports Commission, you know, policies. 361 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.960 It's in your professional best interests, you know, not to 362 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:47.279 do anything illegal, but to find ways to get people 363 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:49.279 money so you can get them on campus. And then 364 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:52.079 you've for forgiveness rather than for permission later. Because it's 365 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:56.799 not like anybody gets really significantly penalized for breaking any 366 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:59.480 of those rules. The only thing that I think will 367 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:03.440 change any those coaches' minds is when somebody gets penalized 368 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:06.599 in a major way. And will that happen at some 369 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:08.960 point probably, and we'll see if it stands up in court. 370 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:11.319 The big change that we've seen in just the last 371 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.079 seventy two hours is when we talk We talked to 372 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:17.920 folks a couple of weeks ago. The guidance was, we're 373 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:20.920 not going to permit nil deals from collectives. Those aren't 374 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:24.400 real businesses. They'll be presumed to not be for regular 375 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:28.079 business purposes. And then the collective operators threatened to sue, 376 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:31.720 they called tom Mars and others. And now the guidance says, well, okay, 377 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:33.519 maybe those will be okay, but they're still going to 378 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:36.839 be subject to fair market value analysis. And the kind 379 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:39.480 of when I've been getting from text messages from coaches 380 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:43.000 and GM types since then has been all right, So 381 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.759 we're just going to get like ten percent more sophisticated 382 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:48.039 at money laundering gonna were in twenty twenty two, and 383 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:50.680 then nothing really changed. And if that's the case, then 384 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:54.400 there is no cap then anything from the house situation 385 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:57.079 doesn't really matter. Well, the only thing that changes is 386 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:01.519 going to be either rigorous enforcement or some or judicial 387 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:04.640 legal clarity. We'll see if we get any of those 388 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:05.519 before October. 389 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:07.880 Are the days of our collectives dead? 390 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:10.799 Are collectives across the landscape at college football just dead? 391 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:11.039 Now? 392 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.720 No? I think actually quite the contrary. They became substantially, 393 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:19.359 you know, more less dead, you know, substantially more alive. 394 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:22.160 In the last two days, there were a lot of 395 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:25.400 collectives that are being folded into schools, or converted into 396 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:28.839 more traditional marketing agencies, or broad in house, or dissolved 397 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:32.279 because then the conventional wisdom was that your legal liability 398 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:35.200 goes down if you bring some of this stuff in together. 399 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:37.599 You don't need to run it through a third organization, 400 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.000 because the school can directly compensate people. But if you're 401 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:44.720 permitted to still have an outside entity and cut checks 402 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:46.880 to people and have it not count against your cap 403 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:49.680 so long as it passes the fair market value test 404 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:53.079 and is providing some actual service to the public, then 405 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:55.799 I don't think you need to be a rocket scientist 406 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:57.960 to figure out a way to keep your collective operating. 407 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:00.519 Maybe they don't get spun off again in the next 408 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.319 three months if they were killed before, but some really 409 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:06.920 rigorous enforcement, Yeah, I think you'll see more schools look 410 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:09.279 at that guidance and think, Okay, I've just got to 411 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:11.880 figure out a way to pull my funnel my donor 412 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:15.759 money through some kind of like pizza place, and so 413 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.480 that way still give money above the cap because the 414 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:23.200 the eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen million dollars that schools are 415 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:27.160 allocating for their football payroll from just their house money 416 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:30.440 is not going to be enough to pay a championship 417 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:31.559 caliber football team. 418 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:34.799 Mark Carlin, athletic director for the You, joined us a 419 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:37.759 big twelve media days and I presented him with the 420 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:41.920 split that most people believe is like a general blueprint 421 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:45.960 baseline promote that athletic department seventy five percent football, fifteen 422 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:49.079 percent men's hoops, five percent women's hoops, then five percent 423 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:52.839 left over. He essentially said, yeah, that's kind of how 424 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:56.440 we're we're doing it. When it comes to Brian Santiago 425 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:59.279 with BYU, he sidestepped the question in a way that 426 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:02.839 wasn't that surprise to me. Uh, is that your understanding, Matt, 427 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:05.599 of the way that it is most places, not all, 428 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:06.519 but most places. 429 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:10.240 I think I think at most places we're talking about 430 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:12.640 being within five percent of that, right, Like I I, 431 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:14.920 you would know this probably better and I would. I 432 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:18.079 would not be surprised that Utah would decided to allocate 433 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:22.440 some money to women's gymnastics. And there are many SEC 434 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:26.319 programs that that have to allocate some money to baseball 435 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.799 or some money to softball. But that's pretty common, whether 436 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:33.200 it's it's it's seventy seventy five eighty for football and 437 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.799 kind of splitting things up among everybody else. That is 438 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:39.400 that is that is the most common thing I know BYU. 439 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:42.400 If I understood the Deseret News story from a couple 440 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:44.400 of days ago, it's a little bit different in that 441 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:47.440 they're they're still using Alston money, They're still tying academic 442 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:49.960 and sentence to some of this. They're I think that 443 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:52.119 they might be the only powerful program I'm aware of 444 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:54.000 that's said in public we're not going to fund the 445 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:57.920 full twenty million, which I okay, whatever you want to 446 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:02.079 tell yourselves. But I'm unaware of anybody in the Power 447 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:08.200 forward that's doing a radically different sport allocations for their money. 448 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:10.279 So I'm glad you brought up the d News piece 449 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:12.920 because I wanted to dig into that with you. You know, 450 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:19.319 it's a complicated, slippery slope in a way, because I 451 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:22.640 just don't feel like they're honest and transparent about any 452 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:25.480 of their financial dealings when it comes to the athletic department, 453 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:28.039 and it's laced in this hole like, no, we don't 454 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:29.000 pay top dollar. 455 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:30.759 They want the BYU experience. 456 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:34.799 They want to evolve and grow as young people, and 457 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:38.640 they want to become tried and true BYU. And it's like, dude, 458 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:41.440 we have the reports that you're paying de bands to 459 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:43.559 seven mil for five months in basketball. 460 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:45.640 Scott Drew, the head coach of Baylor. 461 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.440 He said that Rob Wright, the point guard, they were 462 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:51.359 able to grab three point five mil. If you do 463 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:54.599 some loose math, they're paying thirteen to fifteen million dollars 464 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:56.039 for their basketball program. 465 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:57.880 They just signed Rider Lions. 466 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:00.599 The report is Rider was looking for seven figure and 467 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.799 seven figures before he leaves on his mission, which you know, 468 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:07.359 so they're paying top dollar. I don't know what the 469 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:10.400 whole like, yeah, we're gonna do eighteen mil does outside 470 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:12.960 of maybe make some people down there feel better about going. 471 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.880 Out and buying talent. And I'm not hating on the 472 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:18.079 whole process. I'm just like, don't tell me, I'm not 473 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:20.599 seeing what I'm seeing. Like, be honest about how you're 474 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:21.240 dealing with it. 475 00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:24.119 What do you make of this entire you know, your 476 00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:26.480 takeaways with the Deseret News story in the way by 477 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.279 use handling this new reality of college sports and again 478 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:32.720 not breaking any rules, but they are spending top dollar 479 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:33.240 for talent. 480 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:38.200 Yeah. So I'm conflicted about this, and I've been asking 481 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:41.920 myself like, is my emotional, visceral reaction, am I being fair? 482 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.039 Is this being colored by my own biases? And maybe 483 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:46.920 it is right? So I don't want to I don't want 484 00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:50.599 to come out too hard here. I think we both 485 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:53.799 people like you and I and general fans, we have 486 00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:55.880 to be careful when we say like, oh, well, well, 487 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:58.160 you know Baylor's paying X, or by us paying X. 488 00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:00.319 Because one of the tricky things about about this world, 489 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.759 right is that athletes are getting money from multiple sources. 490 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:06.640 Do I? I mean, as far as I understand it, 491 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:09.720 Like DYU is not responsible for all of the money 492 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:11.960 that's going to aj AJ is going to get some 493 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.079 of that, right, Someone that's coming from Red Bull, some 494 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:17.160 of it's coming from shoe companies, someone's coming from outside things. 495 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:18.599 And if money is coming from the you know, some 496 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:20.440 of that's coming from the Cougar collective. You know a 497 00:24:20.440 --> 00:24:22.359 lot of these a lot of those basketball deals were 498 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:25.640 front loaded the same way that everybody else is doing things. 499 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:28.759 Then DYU could say with their whole chest and be 500 00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:31.359 totally honest. We're not paying top dollar. Well, you know, 501 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:35.920 we the university Athletic Department are paying you know, eighty 502 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:39.480 five percent of market rate. And if other people want 503 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:41.480 to pay him a lot of money, so his total 504 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:43.920 compa is very high. Well, we don't have anything to 505 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:47.000 do with what red Bull does. And and you know, 506 00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:49.519 it's just a total number that ends up getting reported. 507 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:52.880 And and maybe there's a maybe there's a meaningful distinction there, 508 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.079 maybe there isn't that that's probably more nuanced for for 509 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:00.039 sports radio. I do think I take a little a 510 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:04.480 little bit of exception to the idea that by somehow 511 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:08.440 paying eighteen seven or nineteen million instead of twenty or 512 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:12.400 instep of twenty point five, that the process then is 513 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:16.279 no longer transactional. And BYU is absolutely not alone in this, 514 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.440 because I had this conversation all the time in higher 515 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:22.559 education about coaches and administrators that are worried about college 516 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:26.000 sports becoming overly transactional. And we can do and we 517 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:27.720 can sit there and we can we can destroy it 518 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:31.319 Utah or Utah State or anybody else that there's punrets 519 00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:33.960 of athletes in the athletic department that are going to 520 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:36.160 a school because they want a scholarship and they want 521 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:38.119 to compete at a high level, and they like that school, 522 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:41.839 and they're not going for just a pure paycheck. But 523 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:46.839 once you start paying people at any job, it becomes transactional. 524 00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:49.519 My job at Extra Points is transactional. Am I doing 525 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:52.119 it for the love of the game. Yes, But I 526 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:54.119 gots a gout to pay for a new air conditioning unit. 527 00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:56.200 I gotta go buy snacks or my kids. I gotta 528 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.200 go buy pants, I gotta go buy gas. I absolutely 529 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:01.039 care about the money, and I don't I don't think 530 00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:03.839 that's the problem. And I think what I've mentioned here before, 531 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:08.599 like my understanding is just about everybody within the church enterprises, 532 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:12.160 whether you're a basketball player or a coach, or an 533 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.200 English professor or a software developer or reporter for the 534 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.920 Deseret News or anywhere else, is you're not getting the 535 00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:22.000 top of the line salary because they don't want somebody 536 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:24.880 to make the decision and and sign up for everything 537 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:28.200 that comes along with with with that because they felt 538 00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:33.039 constrained by cash. But on some level, if you're paying 539 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:35.960 close enough or enough money, like I don't think you 540 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.480 can pretend that that's that's not part of it, and 541 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:42.200 that's not an LDS Church specific problem or a BYU 542 00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:45.079 specific problem. There might be a couple of wrinkles that 543 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.319 plays out specifically there that's a college sports problem. And 544 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:50.559 I think a lot of that is because this industry 545 00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:54.279 at large is really reticent to be honest about what 546 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:54.720 this is. 547 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:59.359 Well said, right, yeah, yeah, well said and and very fair. 548 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.440 And you know, again, it's not a commentary on the 549 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:06.440 LDS Church, you know, it's it's clear that the money 550 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:09.279 is not coming from the church. I think you and 551 00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:11.359 I have talked about this before. I went to lunch 552 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.799 with a very powerful local booster who told me at 553 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.559 the time is understanding is by U as nine seven 554 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:20.839 figure donors, while Utah currently has too. 555 00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:21.920 Now that was about a year ago. 556 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:23.640 I don't know what the up to date number is, 557 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:26.480 but there are a lot of powerful rich. 558 00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:30.680 Utel's got a little bit more than their fundraising department 559 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:32.960 since then. But but your point's certainly well taken. 560 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.839 Okay, let me follow up because I'm not aware of 561 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.839 that dynamic. What's your understanding of where Utah finds itself 562 00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:40.799 in this ecosystem? 563 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:44.039 Yeah, well, my understanding I've talked to some people, you 564 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:46.599 know that work in the program and around the school. 565 00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:49.240 You know this summer about Hey, you know, over the 566 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.799 last year, we've looked at ourselves and like, Okay, we 567 00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:54.200 need to get a lot better at major gifts. We 568 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:57.519 need to get a lot better at cultivating athletic donors, 569 00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:01.240 not just for athlete payroll, but across our entire department 570 00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:03.799 in big and meaningful ways. You know, we have to 571 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.640 do more than just the occasional golf scramble, and we 572 00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:09.599 have to do more than just you know, letting ourselves 573 00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:11.640 be known as a place where some players might get 574 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.599 truck And so they recruited staff to do that, and 575 00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:17.200 they spent a lot of time and energy on it, 576 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:19.519 and it's gotten better. I couldn't tell. I don't think 577 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:21.720 I would feel comfortable saying on the air like what 578 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:24.880 I think the payroll number is because some of the 579 00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.119 money that's being donated may very well go to facilities 580 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:31.240 or capital projects or things that have nothing to do 581 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:34.720 with nil. But I would feel pretty confidence saying like, 582 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:37.519 I don't think this athletic department is poor, and I 583 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.119 think whatever lessons they learned from twenty twenty two and 584 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:42.200 twenty twenty three have have been taken to heart, and 585 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.359 they're going to be prepared to get the money that 586 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.079 they need to be successful across multiple sports, which you 587 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:50.079 have to be in the Big Twelve because like, nobody 588 00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:54.000 is a complete financial bohemos. There's no Ohio State in 589 00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:57.359 that league, but there's also twelve schools in there that think, hey, 590 00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:00.480 if we just if we really go after it, we 591 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.160 could be the top dog in here, which means that 592 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:05.319 everybody is trying to do the same things that Utah 593 00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:07.440 and to some extent be why you were doing. It's 594 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.400 gonna be very, very competitive. 595 00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:12.599 When it comes to collateral damage, Matt. The University of 596 00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:17.240 Utah has already cut their beach volleyball program, and you know, 597 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:21.920 I haven't heard a ton of pieces of collateral damage 598 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:24.559 with other smaller sports being cut across the landscape of 599 00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:27.920 collegiate athletics like I thought I would. Do you anticipate 600 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:31.640 more of things such as that, you know, having to 601 00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:36.079 just simply cut programs that are not close to generating 602 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:40.240 any revenue and certainly not on the same level of basketball, football, Saga. 603 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:41.480 Do you think we're going to see a lot of that? 604 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.599 We are, but it's looking different, and I'm not surprised 605 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.839 that we haven't seen a ton of sports being dropped 606 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.079 at the powerflow level. A big part of that is 607 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:54.680 because when you drop those kinds of sports, you tend 608 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.519 to be a magnet for legal action. And when you 609 00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:59.960 look at what happened with Michigan State and with Eye 610 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.200 and with Clemson, and when they tried to decrease the 611 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.599 number of sports that they had, they all got in 612 00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:06.440 trouble with Title nine and they ended up having to 613 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:10.240 readjust some of some of their sports sponsorship. It's not 614 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.640 uncommon right now to see sports being cut at the 615 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.680 low major level. I would say that the one that 616 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.440 is probably the most in danger almost everywhere is men 617 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:23.400 and women's tennis especially. You know, not to get too political, 618 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:25.559 but like this is the reality. Like men's collegiate men's 619 00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:29.079 and women's tennis tends to recruit overwhelmingly from from international 620 00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:32.160 athlete pools. And if the federal government is going to 621 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:35.000 make it harder to get student visas, or if athletes 622 00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.240 think that there's there's a greater risk of not being 623 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.799 able to stay around the whole four years and it's 624 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:45.119 harder to fundraise from those players after they graduate, that's 625 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.240 an easy sport to drop. And when you get rid 626 00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:48.799 of one of those sports, it's not like you're saving 627 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:50.519 a ton of money off the coach and the travel 628 00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:53.119 for the tennis players. But if you decrease the total 629 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:55.519 number of athletes you have, you can decrease your spending 630 00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:59.039 on your back end administrative services. Where you're going to 631 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:03.000 see cuts way more likely is is way more often. 632 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:05.119 Is what happened with Oklahoma a couple of weeks ago, 633 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:06.960 where I think they cut like five percent of their 634 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.640 total athletic department staff. You're going to see the layoffs 635 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:13.359 all over the power for and it's not going to 636 00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.480 be we're getting rid of the of the baseball team 637 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.359 so much as we're getting rid of, you know, four 638 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.319 people that used to work in developmental nutrition or analytics. 639 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:24.480 We're going to get rid of academic support specialists. We're 640 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.160 going to get rid of communications staffers. We're going to 641 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:32.240 let positions remain vacant when when when people retire, we're 642 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:33.640 not going to We're going to hire a twenty two 643 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:35.720 year old instead of somebody that has some more experience, 644 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.240 and that's really sad for their families, and that could 645 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.119 be bad for the industry at large. But I don't 646 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.400 think you're going to see a wholesale retreat from from sports. 647 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:45.880 Entirely. 648 00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:47.880 It's going to be how can we cut scholarship spending? 649 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.119 How can we cut the infrastructure spending and maybe make 650 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:52.640 those cuts fee a little bit less public. 651 00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:57.720 So I wonder since you and I last spoke, Jake 652 00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.160 retz Laugh has announced his intent he's going to go 653 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:04.920 to Tulane. Kind of some interesting timing because the transfer 654 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.880 portal was not open, so they were unable to contact 655 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:08.640 Jake directly. 656 00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:09.759 They had to go through his reps. 657 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.720 I guess the head coach at Tulane recruited Jake out 658 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:14.920 of high school. Okay, okay, So what do you make 659 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:17.440 of Jake's decision? And it kind of inform us about 660 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.920 how this process works when a player cannot enter the 661 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.160 transfer portal and trying to find a new place to play. 662 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:26.119 I would say part of it is a little funny, 663 00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:27.920 And I'm saying, this is a guy that used to 664 00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:30.920 live like three blocks in Tulane's campus to go from 665 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.839 a school with maybe four Jewish students and a ton 666 00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:36.720 of Mormons to then go to maybe the most Jewish 667 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:40.200 program in FBS and tooled up might have four Mormons 668 00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:44.880 is a pretty traumatic shift just from like life, I 669 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:48.240 think from a football perspective, the timing does make this 670 00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:51.079 really really interesting because as I understood it, like if 671 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.480 you're going outside of the portal and just enrolling, you 672 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:55.759 start as a walk on, and you don't have you 673 00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.160 like you weren't there for spring ball, and you're not 674 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.119 immediately in the team's facilities or around the team instantly. 675 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.359 I mean like fall camp's going to open for almost 676 00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.480 everybody in a couple of days, So it's it's a 677 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:09.000 little bit academic. But Tulane has good quarterbacks on the roster, 678 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.279 like they're a team that's built to be competitive in 679 00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:15.079 the American this year. I think it's difficult even if 680 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:18.359 you're really good to come in and completely, you know, 681 00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:20.599 win a job when you when you when you have 682 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.240 that that little prep time. I'm sure that you know, 683 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:25.279 Jake's a smart guy, and I'm sure he's trying to 684 00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:29.720 pick up things, uh as best as he can schematically, 685 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:33.200 and I'm sure Tulane wasn't wasn't bringing him into to 686 00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.680 be a depth piece. But whether it's him or nearly 687 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:39.480 anybody that ends up changing this close to the season, 688 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.359 I think it's really difficult to come in and and 689 00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:44.920 and just dominate from day one unless you're Kaylen Williams 690 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.599 and and you know, no disrespect like that's that's not 691 00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.880 what Jake is. So whether he's whether he's the opening 692 00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:52.720 day starter, maybe maybe not. But if he is, like 693 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:54.720 I wouldn't be surprised if if two angle is pretty 694 00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:56.640 run heavy or you're you're not seeing a ton of 695 00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.519 explosion h in the beginning of the season, and it 696 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:01.480 takes a little time to win over a locker room with 697 00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:05.119 if you hadn't built those relationships and had those reps, 698 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.240 it's not an easy situation for anybody. 699 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:09.920 We had Chase Hansen in studio this week. 700 00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:12.800 Chase played at the University of Utah, played in the NFL, 701 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.920 and he was a quarterback at Loan Peak, and he 702 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.079 was an awesome high school player in the backyard of 703 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.159 Lavelle Edward Stadium, and his father played at BYU. 704 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.039 It was this weird era. 705 00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.800 Matt where for about I don't know, eight years, and 706 00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:32.719 it coincided with Broncos time at BYU. Bronco great football coach. 707 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:35.800 Year one Utah State. We'll see what he does. But 708 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.159 there were a lot of BYU alums that just didn't 709 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.599 seem to like him much, and a lot of these 710 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:44.920 alums had kids. It ended up playing elsewhere, namely the 711 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:46.960 University of Utah, And of course it was a different 712 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.800 time because Utah had the PAC twelve BYU was independent, 713 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.320 and Kyle really had the program ticking. But I asked 714 00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:57.199 Chase about the Jake situation and then how honor Code 715 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.280 violations and stories that come out as a result, how 716 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:02.119 how does it affect you when it comes to trying 717 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:04.440 to choose where you want to play play football or 718 00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:09.760 play sports. He gave a really nuanced, complex, interesting answer. 719 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.719 As a member of the LDS Church who does not 720 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:17.320 agree with the application and sometimes two tiered application of 721 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:19.719 the Honor Code when it comes to athletes in students, 722 00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:23.400 how do you think these stories as someone who doesn't 723 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:25.400 live here, but also as an understanding of the way 724 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:27.880 this stuff works. How do you think the a story 725 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.039 like Jake Rhetz laugh and the Honor Code violation? How 726 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.039 do you think it lands with people across the landscape 727 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.679 of simply being interested in sport? 728 00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.320 I mean, when when when you hear this story and 729 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:41.119 you're not tied to Utah and you're not tied to 730 00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:45.159 anywhere in the LDS extended universe and you just hear 731 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:47.639 about this and I mean, like my phone has been 732 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:49.800 blown up right up in the last couple of weeks. 733 00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.440 Was like wait, wait, like somebody somebody got suspended from 734 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:56.280 having sex, Like that's a biological thing that that almost 735 00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:00.800 almost everybody does. Like that's that's that's crazy. Well, I 736 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.400 mean the situation is obviously in this particular case, may 737 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.280 be a lot more complicated and nuanced than that, but 738 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.159 it's it's a surprise. I like, no, this is this 739 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.599 this this is a school that has has very uh 740 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.440 just you strict laid out values that are expected to 741 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:18.239 be followed for everybody, whether you're whether you're ld S 742 00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:21.400 or not. And and then the response I think varies 743 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:25.519 a little bit depending on somebody's faith background and and 744 00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:29.039 where they are in the country, and and and a 745 00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:32.519 couple of other demographics. Right like, if you are somebody 746 00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:35.599 that came from a really strict Catholic home and spent 747 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:39.360 your high school playing in in in parochial schools, and 748 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.000 and were involved with other similar honor code systems, the 749 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:46.599 idea that there might be uh, you know, university conduct 750 00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.079 policy that extends beyond the n C double A Handbook. 751 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.760 I don't think that would be shocking if you're if 752 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.000 you're from a really secular environment, uh, then that that 753 00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:57.880 may be a difficult culture shift. Like what what I 754 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.400 have heard from from people who have played there and 755 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.920 gone to school there, and it's and and and you 756 00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.239 you you can you can find opinions about the honor 757 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.559 code all over the BAP, even from very active engaged 758 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:10.960 Latter Day Saints. I think part of the challenge will 759 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:13.679 always be when you are recruiting somebody who is an 760 00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.920 l DS and may feel like they don't have a 761 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:22.159 real cultural advocate for them during that process, whether that's hey, 762 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.679 I'm a I'm a I'm a black Stunthern Baptist, and 763 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.760 like the people that I'm dealing with throughout all this 764 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.679 honor code situation don't look like me, and they're they're 765 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.079 they're mentioning words or stuff I don't totally understand, or 766 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.119 or from people that just don't come from this tradition. 767 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.159 I know some folks come into by U and have 768 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:42.400 a great experience even with all of that, some some 769 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:47.119 people don't. It's not going to change. And and I 770 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:50.840 I think I was more interested in pushing that harder 771 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.320 earlier in my in my reporting career. Now it's like, 772 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:55.159 this is just one of the ways this place is different. 773 00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:57.800 Sometimes some of the ways that it's it's different are 774 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:02.000 good and beautiful and worth celebrating, and sometimes they're not. 775 00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:05.400 And that's just kind of know. How you decide what 776 00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:07.360 is what it depends on who you are. 777 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.079 I guess well said, all right, final thing, and I'll 778 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:10.719 set you loose. 779 00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:16.000 Two Democrats Summerly and my guy Chris Murphy from my 780 00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:21.000 home state Connecticut, reintroducing a bill to affirm and expand 781 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.800 college athletes rights to organize, form unions and collectively bargain 782 00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:28.800 with their universities and or conferences, according to the legislation. 783 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:32.719 I'm reading this from Ross Ross Dellinger. You know, Matt. 784 00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.320 For me, I've always felt like this is the route 785 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.440 that is inevitable. I feel like every time I kick 786 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:40.960 the tires with you, it kind of depends on the 787 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:42.000 way the winds are blown. 788 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:43.039 How are these winds blown? 789 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:43.199 Now? 790 00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.119 Do you think we are high speed ahead to at 791 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:49.480 some point, at least in football, these football players with 792 00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.320 the ability to unionize and collectively bargain. 793 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:56.920 No, I don't, And I know I know other reporters 794 00:38:56.920 --> 00:38:59.239 feel differently, and they may very well be right, But 795 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.000 I would tell people here is like, based on the 796 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.800 text of the bill that I that raw shared, and 797 00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.559 the chances that this gets through the Senate are less 798 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.440 than zero percent. And the biggest reason actually has nothing 799 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:12.039 to do with with sports at all. Right, Like what 800 00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.679 with Senator Murphy's trying to do is to expand the 801 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:18.280 scope of the National Labor Relations Board to oversee both 802 00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:22.079 public and private institutions. A there is absolutely not a 803 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.719 single Republican in the US Senate that wants to make 804 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:29.079 it easier or to expand unionization options for graduate students 805 00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:32.239 and university employees that are not currently covered under the NLRB. 806 00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:36.159 And nobody's going to even read the bills to get 807 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.480 to the football park where they say nope, next it's 808 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.960 it's legitimately more likely that like Congress gets rid of 809 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.159 the NLRB entirely, or or a case goes to the 810 00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.599 Supreme Court that gets rid of it. Then under the 811 00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:51.280 way the government stead of right now for that to 812 00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:54.960 get big get approved. While we're talking, like while Senator 813 00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:57.440 Murphy's doing this in the Senate, like the Score Act 814 00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:00.840 is advancing out of committee. It's like very likely to 815 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.320 get a full floor vote in the House, which explicitly 816 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:08.320 says athletes can't bargain because they're not employees. That will 817 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:11.159 probably pass the House. I don't think it will pass 818 00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:13.360 the Senate, at least now, and at least not with 819 00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:16.400 sixty votes. But the the there's there's some that could 820 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.079 get really close. There are there are Democratic senators who 821 00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:21.679 will who will support that. In a in a different 822 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.280 with a different president, with different lawmakers, could athletes, Uh, 823 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:28.880 collective bargaining become more likely. Absolutely, And I would just 824 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:30.760 say to anybody who's like, if you are sick of 825 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.639 this and you think that collective bargaining is the option, 826 00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:36.800 you need to look at who you're voting for. Because 827 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.000 if if you're, if you're if you're sending people like 828 00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:41.480 Mike Lee to the Senate, they don't they do not 829 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:44.079 see things the same way on this particular issue. 830 00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.039 We live in a Mike free Mike Lee free zone 831 00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.880 on this program MA. Just so you know, Uh, but look, 832 00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:52.760 before I said you loose, where can I where can 833 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:53.960 people go get your great work? 834 00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:56.519 You can? You can find my stuff at extra points 835 00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.519 MB dot Com. I'm on Twitter at Matt Brown up 836 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:03.840 has a story out today on the potential big changes 837 00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.159 in the college sports athletic apparel market that actually I 838 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.480 think may be of interest to some Utah fans who 839 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.000 may be wondering if you're going to be an under 840 00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:14.559 armored school forever. I've got something else coming out tomorrow 841 00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.639 on the subject that everybody wants to talk about, which is, 842 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:20.840 of course Division two college golf. It's more interesting than 843 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.639 you think here, I promise in some realignment stuff coming. 844 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:26.760 So if you love inside baseball nerd stuff, I think 845 00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:27.719 you'll love extra points. 846 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.480 Matt. Thank you, sir. Have a great weekend. Okay, you 847 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:31.039 bet all right? 848 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:31.320 Do well? 849 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.400 My friend, all right, Matt Brown extra points. 850 00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.360 I'm telling you that dude is a smart, smart guy 851 00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:39.800 covering college football. If you're looking for more information to 852 00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.679 try to help you understand how this thing is unfolding, 853 00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.320 including where we're at in Washington, with their involvement, with 854 00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:49.079 the potential of these players being able to unionize and 855 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.599 collectively bargain. Matt's a great follow at Matt Brown EP 856 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.559 is where you find them. All right, we have one 857 00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:57.639 hour down, We've got three hours to go. On this 858 00:41:57.679 --> 00:41:59.800 Wednesday afternoon, we'll catch a break and coming up on 859 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.480 the side Chris com Ronnie live in studio for an 860 00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:05.000 entire hour on a Wednesday drive. Good to have you 861 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.599 along for the ride right here. Ron ESPN seven hundred 862 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.360 join now live in studios. 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Six locations in Utah, Clearfield, Murray, Sandy, 915 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:34.199 American Fork Provo in Saint George. 916 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:36.840 The problem with this bump is you can't step over it. 917 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:37.760 You have to let it play. 918 00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:39.360 Did you pick Chris? 919 00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:42.320 Chris? This is James bead Approved. 920 00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.320 Okay, okay, a little Phil Collins on a Wednesday afternoon, 921 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:46.840 Chris Camaradi live in studio. 922 00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:49.280 Ck Happy Wednesday. How are you? 923 00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:50.199 I'm good man? How are you? 924 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.039 I'm good? Uh, you look a little weathered. 925 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:54.599 It's been it's been a while since I've been in studios. 926 00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:56.280 We had We had kind of had a gap where 927 00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.440 everybody was going every which way the last month or so. 928 00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:01.320 Indeed, thank you for that. I look weathered, no, but 929 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:03.079 I'm gonna get there. I'm gonna get there. I was 930 00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:05.320 out of town. We had big twelve media days, then 931 00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.400 I did the Portland thing, Love Portland, and then officiated 932 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:08.840 the wedding. 933 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:11.239 You have been well. 934 00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:12.920 Last time we had you on the show, you were 935 00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:16.719 starting the eight day journey of keeping a young person 936 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.880 alive by yourself, which is why maybe the sleep pattern 937 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.159 has been a little disrupted. So now that you've been 938 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.480 a single father for eight days, what sort of lessons 939 00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:26.559 can you bestow upon the people. 940 00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:28.599 Well, if you. 941 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:34.800 When in doubt, if you are feeling like the world 942 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.000 is crushing you at the moment, remember that we have 943 00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:42.440 the luxury of for the most part, this thing called streaming. 944 00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.000 And if you need to breather, turn on some very 945 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.519 annoying cartoon, which I tried not to do, but there 946 00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:52.159 were times where you just needed to do the the woosa, 947 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.840 you know, yeah, and just relax, walk away and never 948 00:45:56.679 --> 00:46:00.239 have You can never have too many bars or snap. 949 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:05.719 Fruit bars, Z bar kids z bars. 950 00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:11.960 You know, the the breakfast bars, It goes a very 951 00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:14.199 long way, so bars and television. 952 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.559 Basically Amanda has arrived homes so you have been rescued. 953 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:19.000 Yeah, it's a. 954 00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.519 Different I can remember the first time I had solo 955 00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.159 duty when Connor was about Leo's age. 956 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:26.280 There's some anxiety, you. 957 00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.079 Know, like there's like, okay, we got to we gotta 958 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.639 make sure this goes well. I always get a kick 959 00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.360 out of, you know, because you reference the screens yep, 960 00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:37.480 and look, it's just inevitable. Every parent uses it and 961 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.000 the only people that complain about it are people without children. 962 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:42.159 I always got a kick out of, like I was. 963 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.199 I think I was the first person in my friend 964 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.880 group to become a parent, And I always get a 965 00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:48.679 kick out of, like advice I would get for my 966 00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.760 single friends that have never had children. It's like, you 967 00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:54.760 don't know, so cut it out. So the people that 968 00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:58.239 clutch their pearls over screens simply do not have children. 969 00:46:58.920 --> 00:46:59.480 I was. 970 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.599 I mean, the most humbling life experience, without a doubt, 971 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:08.639 is becoming apparent one hundred on a multitude of levels. 972 00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:14.960 And I had all of my preconceived notions squashed into 973 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.719 the ground, like uh, the bottom of a you know, 974 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.639 a shoe at a rusted root concert, like just going 975 00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:26.840 boom squishing a bug. I guess they would they wouldn't. 976 00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:31.440 Squish, and yeah, sorry, maybe I'll just go something more 977 00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:33.960 basic like pearl jam. 978 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.320 So yes, there was once upon a time that was 979 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.920 me and then you you get thrust into it and 980 00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:41.880 then you realize, oh, I just have to make sure 981 00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:43.559 that I can get through the day, and maybe not 982 00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:45.719 even the day, the next hour, maybe not even the 983 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:46.920 next hour, the next ten minutes. 984 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.519 It's moment by moment at times. Yeah, No, there's this 985 00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.199 great Louis Louis c K bid saw Louis c K 986 00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:55.719 and I get so you didn't end up going phenomenal. 987 00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:58.119 I know that we've got to be like, hey, the 988 00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:01.039 stuff he did isn't okay, all right, still very funny, 989 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:02.840 but he has this great bid where it's like, yeah, 990 00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:04.920 before you become a parent, you're like, I will show 991 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:08.559 my child the wonders of the world and we will 992 00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:10.480 always be doing. And then you become a parent and 993 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:13.239 you're like, oh my gosh, how do I keep it alive? 994 00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.199 Like that's that's the day to day goal, to make 995 00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:16.760 sure you're not. 996 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:17.280 Screwed it up. 997 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:18.719 Yeah, breakfast parts and television. 998 00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:20.719 I'm happy for you and I'm proud of you. 999 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:21.199 Thank you. 1000 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:22.719 And the weather thing was a bit. 1001 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:24.679 I just know you're coming off the eight day stretch 1002 00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:26.480 where you had to, you know, kind of hang out 1003 00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:27.880 with Leo and make sure everything went well. 1004 00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:31.400 So welcome home, Amanda. Glad you survived, all right, c K. 1005 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:36.840 Tomorrow is the opening of the summer transfer window in 1006 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:38.119 the world of Major league soccer. 1007 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:40.840 We'll get to some college football. Everybody, It's okay the 1008 00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:43.199 Score Act. Please don't ask me because I have no idea. 1009 00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:44.760 You don't want to talk about the Score Act. 1010 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:48.360 You want to talk about collective collective bargaining and unionizing 1011 00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:51.760 and such. All right, that is stuck in Washington. It 1012 00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:53.840 is probably not going to go through. Matt Brown joined us. 1013 00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:54.960 Last segment. We covered all that. 1014 00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:58.239 We're gonna do that with you. So it's been interesting. 1015 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:00.239 Pablo, a couple weeks ago, Hops on the show is like, 1016 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:03.039 we're going to sign for four players, so we're expecting 1017 00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:07.800 four players. Kurt's a little more tempered, Jason's like everybody's dad. 1018 00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.639 It's hard to exactly understand exactly how this is going 1019 00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:14.400 to go. What are you expecting once the window opens 1020 00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.079 multiple players, what positions and what do you think it 1021 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:17.920 means for RSL. 1022 00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:21.679 So, based on reports internationally and based off what I've 1023 00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:24.960 been told, rsel's planning on bringing in two number nine 1024 00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:30.599 one out and out number nine old school throwback center. 1025 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:33.400 Forward type yep, love it. 1026 00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:35.480 Doesn't necessarily need to beat guys one on one, but 1027 00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:39.400 is there for uh service from the wide area? Indeed, 1028 00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:45.679 Alex Catronas exactly. And then another guy, Ruwan Kruz who's 1029 00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:49.079 been at Botafogo, a club that RSL is too familiar 1030 00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:52.519 with because they moved for since Avarino there. And then 1031 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:59.239 your guy uh Elias what was it Ilias Manu Manuel Yeah, 1032 00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.480 ended up going there after saying he didn't want to 1033 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:05.880 come here. So it sounds like those two are either 1034 00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:09.480 done or close to being done. And then if that's 1035 00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:15.039 the case, it's a fascinating decision because clearly that means 1036 00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:18.440 that the club is not satisfied with what your guy. 1037 00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.760 And you have many guys. Big Willie Golds, Big Willy 1038 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.679 Goles has has been able to to add to the mix. 1039 00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:27.079 I think he has two goals too, okay. 1040 00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:28.239 But he has the ability to hold up. 1041 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:28.639 He does. 1042 00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.679 But this but this, but this new guy apparently who 1043 00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:36.440 I think you pronounced his name last week correctly, Victor Olatunji. Yeah, yep, 1044 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:41.559 younger twenty five years old, had a decent year at 1045 00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:44.000 Sparta Prague, which is, you know, one of the better 1046 00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:50.119 lower level clubs at a lower level in Europe. But yeah, 1047 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:52.400 it's an interesting move. I wonder if it changes how 1048 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.199 Pablo wants to play. I wonder if one of those 1049 00:50:55.239 --> 00:51:03.320 guys will be more tactfully tactically sorry ambiguous, meaning like 1050 00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:07.079 they can play different spots or or if you know, 1051 00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.480 Pablo has to change formation. Basically, they're not They're not 1052 00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:12.559 a good offensive team. They haven't been all year. Their 1053 00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:16.719 best offensive player was gone for five weeks, and they 1054 00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.199 as we saw last week against Cincinnati, they were the 1055 00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:21.440 better team against one of the better teams in MLS, 1056 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:22.920 but they weren't able to score any goals. 1057 00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:25.119 So go ahead, no, No, I was gonna say, I'm 1058 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:27.840 just looking for this secondary story because we talked about 1059 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:29.239 the old Atanji kid. 1060 00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.320 Is the oly Tannji kid, the true striker? 1061 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:31.960 Yes, oh he is? 1062 00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:32.760 Yeah, okay, yep. 1063 00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:35.079 So what I was gonna say is yesterday on the show, 1064 00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:38.360 Pablo refer to the two attacking players as a nine 1065 00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:39.519 and a nine and a half. 1066 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:43.320 So yeah, so yeah, there's your there's your there's your tactical, 1067 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:47.440 ambiguous player who can probably step in on the wing 1068 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:51.440 or play the ten. Because I think while a lot 1069 00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:53.360 of people have fallen in love with the idea that 1070 00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.320 Diego is a ten, I think he is another guy 1071 00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:59.280 that can just float because of the amount of hard 1072 00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:02.039 work rate that he puts in, you know, back on 1073 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:06.519 defense exactly. And Diego Gonzalbez, outside of his winner against Portland, 1074 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:07.840 just hasn't cut it. 1075 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:09.119 Last week, he was very bad. 1076 00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:13.239 He brought a lot of promising attacking plays to a 1077 00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:16.119 screeching hall against yes again by you know, due to 1078 00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:18.800 his indecision. So yeah, and nine and nine and a 1079 00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:23.559 half makes sense. But you know, oursel once again is 1080 00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:26.840 banking on the summer transfer window in order to put 1081 00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:28.960 wind in their sales, and I think that's a very 1082 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:33.119 dubious ass considering international players who come over in the 1083 00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:35.480 summer do not exactly hit the ground running in this league. 1084 00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:37.239 We talked about that ad nausea. 1085 00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.480 And we've seen it here. Yeah, like multiple times. The 1086 00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:43.159 mark suit stuff is weird, man, Like. 1087 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:47.000 They they bet on a bunch of guys after the 1088 00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:49.320 sale of Andrescomaz they didn't pan out. I mean, it's 1089 00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:51.360 it's a bunch of swings and misses. But I did 1090 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.519 feel like there were moments with There were moments. Yeah, 1091 00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:55.039 but it hasn't been for a very long time. 1092 00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:58.920 No, and Jason, when I get honest, Jay, excuse me, 1093 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.360 when I get honest, Jayson, it's it's a good time. 1094 00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:04.119 He essentially said he's been horrible since he came back 1095 00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.159 from Poland. I wonder, I wonder if it's homesickness. It's 1096 00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:08.880 just another example of a guy that's signed in a 1097 00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:10.719 summer window and you're like, wait a second, he's got 1098 00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:12.360 some stuff and it just hasn't panned. 1099 00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:18.760 Out, hasn't panned out. Yeah, Diogo, Lachlan Brook your guy. 1100 00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:20.320 You gotta have some guy I'll take. 1101 00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:23.280 I'll take Lachlan, my guy, Lachlan Brook, who I would 1102 00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:26.159 imagine it's not long for rsl on the crest of. 1103 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:28.239 The shirt. 1104 00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:33.679 And Dominic Marxich, who they believed the cell of originally 1105 00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:35.760 was Look what we just did with Andres. This can 1106 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.800 be your path and conceivably it works if you're able 1107 00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:42.920 to I don't know, put everything that you're asked to 1108 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:46.239 put in training sessions and style of play into into 1109 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:50.000 into purpose. But we know that it took Andres over 1110 00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.519 a year with Pablo to to have everything click. But 1111 00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:57.159 not every player has the pace that Andres has, or 1112 00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:02.039 like the finishing ability he was, you know, uh, one 1113 00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:04.039 of the top assist makers in the league last year 1114 00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:07.840 before he moved. So three swings and misses last summer 1115 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.079 on the wake of in the wake of Andres sale, 1116 00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:12.480 So now you have to wonder, you're bringing in two 1117 00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:18.920 guys from from overseas, can they step in and alleviate 1118 00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:21.679 the pressure from Diego Luna because outside of Diego there 1119 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:24.480 just isn't much. And Xavier Gozo's been good, but he's 1120 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:26.519 you watch him, he's still a very young kid. You 1121 00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:28.639 can still tell that he's maybe trying to do it 1122 00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:30.559 all on his own way too often, which you know 1123 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:33.039 is part of the learning curve. Diego was like that 1124 00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:35.679 a few years ago, which is why you know fans 1125 00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.480 were up up in arms because you know, they were 1126 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:42.159 mad that Pablo was starting. I can't even remember guys 1127 00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:44.519 that weren't that aren't even on the team anymore. Over Over, 1128 00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:47.800 Diego and you know, it takes some time. So if 1129 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:51.800 if if Rsel can find a way to get these 1130 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:55.360 guys in the mix, understanding how Pablo wants to play 1131 00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:59.000 and acclimated quickly, then they have a chance. But like 1132 00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:01.039 you asked me last week, if you know that that 1133 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:03.519 decent run of form, the four games, unbeaten or whatever, 1134 00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:07.000 has me changing my thoughts about the ceiling of this team. 1135 00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:11.599 The Cincinnati game was kind of a perfect encapsulation of 1136 00:55:11.719 --> 00:55:12.840 who the team is this year. 1137 00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:16.000 Pablo also, I'm trying, I'm trying to think because you 1138 00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:19.000 brought up Pablo not starting Diego because there was chi Cho, 1139 00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:23.239 there was Andres, there was Matt Crooks, and and then 1140 00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:25.880 there was a spot that Diego did fill, but it 1141 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:29.599 wasn't consistent. Pablo also referenced the potential of adding to 1142 00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:32.599 the back line, which I thought was interesting because defensively 1143 00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:34.679 they have been pretty stout. Rafa has been the best 1144 00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:36.880 player probably outside of Diego on the roster. 1145 00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:40.079 So if if if we say. 1146 00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:41.719 They're bringing in the nine, the nine and a half, 1147 00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:43.719 we'll use my guy, Pops, he's my guy. We'll use 1148 00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.760 his language, uh, and then they're gonna make an addition 1149 00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:49.440 to the back line. Let's say it's three editions. What 1150 00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:52.079 do you think that total spend will be? Because we 1151 00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:55.159 talked about this yesterday, I think the Millers have an 1152 00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:58.880 opportunity to really gain some brownie points with the fan 1153 00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:03.559 base that is understandably skeptical, skeptical about ownership and their 1154 00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:07.440 unwillingness to spend. For all the promises of the Blitzer 1155 00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:09.559 Smith group, they didn't spend. You know, they did a 1156 00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:11.480 little here or there, but then they ended up selling 1157 00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:13.719 for a premium and didn't reinvest the money into the team. 1158 00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:15.320 And I don't think that sits well with fans. 1159 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:17.320 So what do you think the spend looks like and 1160 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:19.159 what do you think the Millers could do during this 1161 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.599 window to maybe endear themselves to RSL fans that are waiting. 1162 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:25.760 Right It looks to be on the surface right now, 1163 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:30.760 pretty similar to standard RSL spending practices reports out of Europe. 1164 00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.239 Is you know two and a half? I think for 1165 00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:36.039 all Atunji, I don't know if our guy Tommy Scoops 1166 00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:38.960 has has been able to confirm that or not. I 1167 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:42.400 haven't seen anything, but that is kind of on part 1168 00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:45.360 with what RSEL you know, buys players for. Like I 1169 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:49.360 think mark Zuk was one five Ish Diogo was three, 1170 00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:52.599 I think, and you know when you get for the 1171 00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:54.800 for the cruise guy coming from Boda Fogo, it's a 1172 00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:58.400 little different because the loan option you don't really have 1173 00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:01.239 to pay all that much, but they you can loan 1174 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:05.400 with an intent to potentially buy, so they'll they'll get 1175 00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:08.719 a player on loan and then Botafogo, his club will say, 1176 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:10.559 if you like him enough, this is our price point. 1177 00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:11.760 If you want to buy him at the end of 1178 00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:13.960 his loan spell, this is how much you have to 1179 00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:16.800 pay now. I would imagine that will be much higher 1180 00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:19.119 because of you know, Botafogo is one of the best 1181 00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:23.280 teams in Brazil. This kid, by all accounts, has promise 1182 00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:28.639 young player, big stout guy. But if they bring in 1183 00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:32.280 a third player, I would imagine it could be within 1184 00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:35.880 the league, maybe through a trade mechanism, or if they 1185 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:37.920 are going to add a right back or whatever. You're 1186 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.159 not going to necessarily break the bank at that position. 1187 00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:43.840 But all in all, if you're if you're talking about 1188 00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:47.719 money spent, I would be stunned. If oursel goes over 1189 00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:49.679 five million this summer transfer window total. 1190 00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.119 Is it cruise? I believe it's cruiser. 1191 00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.119 Okay, our guy Tommy has nothing on it, but I 1192 00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:57.679 have some info on him in front of me. Yeah, 1193 00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:01.000 Big Kid twenty four and I think the old Tanja 1194 00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:01.840 Kid is twenty five. 1195 00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:02.039 Yep. 1196 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:05.480 So Jason and Kurt and Pablo have been pretty consistent 1197 00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.199 that they're not looking for some quick fix. They want 1198 00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:10.920 to add to the group that could essentially grow together 1199 00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:13.280 because it is a young core. I guess these moves 1200 00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:14.840 would indicate that that's the direction. 1201 00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:15.679 Yeah, but. 1202 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:20.360 It's again, it's it's asking a lot, and I would 1203 00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:23.639 argue too much for two brand new players and to 1204 00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:26.280 come in to gel with guys that they've never met, 1205 00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:28.280 to play in a new country that they've never met, 1206 00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:31.440 to get on those you know, flights and fly all 1207 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:35.360 over the country and get used to the the weather 1208 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:38.000 conditions and all those various dynamics that you face here 1209 00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:41.159 versus everywhere. I guess Brazil you're hauling quite a bit. 1210 00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:43.559 It's a huge country. But like my point is is 1211 00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:48.280 that more often than not, you need all types of 1212 00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:51.559 international players to be in if you're going to bring 1213 00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:54.320 them in in the in the true off season in 1214 00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:56.039 order for them to have a full off season with 1215 00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:58.599 the team. But that doesn't always work out, as we've 1216 00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:00.880 seen in previous years. Times you just kind of have 1217 00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:04.159 to take take what you get. But yeah, oursel is 1218 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:06.599 they're put They're putting their chips in on the attack, 1219 00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:07.880 which they knew that they had to do. 1220 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:10.079 So time will tell if it pays off. 1221 00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:13.039 What was your highlight from the MLS Skills Challenge last night? 1222 00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:14.039 What was your favorite moment? 1223 00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:17.800 Oh, diego hitting, hitting the hitting the targets. 1224 00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:18.519 Did you watch it? 1225 00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:20.400 I saw a clip on the internet. 1226 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:21.199 I didn't watch it. 1227 00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:24.679 No, No, MESSI though MESSI was like, I'm not doing this. 1228 00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:25.880 And he's not playing tonight either. 1229 00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:29.639 I mean, I guess, very very you don't blame him, 1230 00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:32.760 but it's hilarious that this dude, basically and we knew 1231 00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:34.440 this was going to be the case, he gets to 1232 00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:36.519 call his on shots like at a level that no 1233 00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.559 other professional player maybe in the history of sports, has 1234 00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:40.159 been able to do. 1235 00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:42.360 Yeah, and I know this is a false equivalency, but 1236 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:44.920 I do harken back to the Beckham experiment. 1237 00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:47.559 Shout out ground Wall, Rest in Peace yep. Great book, 1238 00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:48.280 by the way, yep. 1239 00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:54.320 And I was tremendously impressed at how much Beckham got it. 1240 00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:57.280 He knew why he was there, right, and so he 1241 00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.599 showed up wherever they asked him to show up, he 1242 00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:02.119 showed up. You're playing in the All Star Game, you're 1243 01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:04.760 making this road trip. And did he get hurt? Of course? 1244 01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:08.440 But and again I know it's a false equivalency because 1245 01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:11.239 Beckham is not messy, because nobody's messy. But you think 1246 01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:14.519 MLS is recouping what they hope to recoup based off 1247 01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:15.400 of the investment. 1248 01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:18.800 That's a great question, I wonder, and this will come 1249 01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:22.519 out probably in the coming years, like what the Apple 1250 01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:26.719 deal really was able to accomplish, if anything at all. 1251 01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:29.599 I don't. I don't think the returns have been great. 1252 01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:33.039 I don't by all accounts, probably not. But the reality 1253 01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:36.320 is is you're able to sign the best player of 1254 01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:41.000 all time and bring him in. But we talk about this, 1255 01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:45.079 We talked about this, Damn's topic all the time. Is 1256 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:47.440 soccer going to change in this country because of ABC 1257 01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:48.400 or D No? 1258 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:50.440 No, it's not. It's awesome. 1259 01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.000 If MESSI came here, you and I would be like, 1260 01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:55.000 how do we get on the train for sure and 1261 01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:58.119 go to aff and maybe go get some Costa Vita 1262 01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:02.760 and you know, enjoy the night. Yeah, right, yeah, ok, yeah, right, 1263 01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:06.320 I like it, but it's outside of him making a 1264 01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:09.239 few appearances on PTI every once in a while. 1265 01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:09.840 Like it just. 1266 01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:11.639 It. 1267 01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:16.400 It was awesome. It is awesome, but it's not it's 1268 01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:18.440 not gonna ever, it's gonna pale in comparison to what 1269 01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:21.599 Beckham did. I think, just because because where the league 1270 01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:22.280 was at the time. 1271 01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:26.719 Yeah, and Beckham's continued investment in the league and continued 1272 01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:29.760 involvement in the league and desire to spend time here. 1273 01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:31.639 It it really was. 1274 01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:34.920 As much as the Beckham thing could have worked as 1275 01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.639 a game changer, it actually did. I don't know that 1276 01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.880 the league could have milked anything else out of that 1277 01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:44.599 whole situation, because he was such an ambassador and he 1278 01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:47.159 was so nice. It was the wildest thing to talk 1279 01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:51.760 to David Beckham, this global superstar, global celebrity. His celebrity 1280 01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:54.159 at the time may have out taste his soccer. 1281 01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:56.639 So handsome, good looking dude, yep. 1282 01:01:56.559 --> 01:02:00.519 Weird, high pitched voice, but so nice, like when when 1283 01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:02.159 we had him here, every time he was here, could 1284 01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:04.840 not have been better. The league really better. 1285 01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:07.519 Right, I told you my story right about at the Virgin. 1286 01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:09.920 Store yeeah, yeah, at ICD stores by the. 1287 01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:13.039 Way, shout out Virgin Megastore at the Gateway for sure. 1288 01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:16.840 Great great location. I mean, the Gateways making a comeback 1289 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:18.280 a little bit, is it. I'm gonna give it. I'm 1290 01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:19.800 gonna give it to do. They got a cool little 1291 01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:23.480 food cord down there. But yeah, me and David Beckham 1292 01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:25.480 the only people in the Virgin Megastore on like a 1293 01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:27.559 Tuesday and just me just being like hey man, and 1294 01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:28.480 he was like, hey, how's it going on? 1295 01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:30.119 Yeah, okay, cool, No, that's rad. 1296 01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:34.320 The kids will never understand the era in life where 1297 01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:36.679 you heard one good song and then had to go 1298 01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:39.760 pay seventeen ninety nine for a CD that mostly sucked 1299 01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:40.880 out side of one good song. 1300 01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:45.679 Spotify would have saved me so much money. 1301 01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:48.159 That's a good way. That's a good point. We should 1302 01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:53.599 rank our top five underwhelming album purchases of all time 1303 01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:54.320 next week. 1304 01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:56.039 I will come back. That's a good one. 1305 01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:57.159 I'll have to think about that one. 1306 01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:58.519 That's good when we can even put in a little 1307 01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:02.360 breakout graphic. Top five, you know, top five spans top five. Chris, 1308 01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:05.119 I like it. Let's do top Let's do it on Wednesday. 1309 01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.800 I have one answer right off the top of my head. 1310 01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:13.519 Okay, I was in high school and uh, driving home 1311 01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:17.000 in basketball practice, I believe and hold my hand from 1312 01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:18.639 Hooty and the Blowfish came on the radio. 1313 01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:20.159 Don't look at me that way. 1314 01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:22.960 I'm being vulnerable and honest here, my guy, I'm like, 1315 01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:24.920 I like this song. I'm gonna go buy a Hoodie 1316 01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:25.880 in the Blowfish CD. 1317 01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:28.239 And it sucked. It was a bad, bad move. 1318 01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:31.440 Is Hoody and the Blowfish the worst jam band of 1319 01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:31.920 the nineties? 1320 01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:33.880 Don't call them a jam band please, They're not. 1321 01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:38.360 How about the most the biggest failed attempt at a jam? 1322 01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:41.800 Yes, that's yeah, that's accurate. String Cheese incident maybe on 1323 01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:43.960 the list as well. See this is what you do now, 1324 01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:46.719 it's all I'm thinking about. The top five most underwhelming 1325 01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:47.559 albums of all time? 1326 01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:50.039 All right, final RSL thing. 1327 01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:52.920 We'll do some college football coming up on the other side, 1328 01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:56.639 because you reference, you know, last year summer transfer window, 1329 01:03:56.880 --> 01:04:00.000 three pretty big swings and three pretty big misses, and maybe, 1330 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:02.440 like we have to be fair, Diego has been better. 1331 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:03.599 But he could not have been worse. 1332 01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:06.639 Like if it was worse, he probably already would be 1333 01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:07.559 on his way somewhere else. 1334 01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:10.880 See that's how bad it was for a while, or 1335 01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:14.039 they can't get anybody to take him, also a possibility. 1336 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:17.760 Do you think Elliott deserves a little more credit for 1337 01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:20.719 the I think it was three years, four years on 1338 01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:21.480 the job as the g. 1339 01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:25.960 Oh yeah, I mean we listen. He was there when 1340 01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:29.039 they were basically being run by the league during. 1341 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:30.239 The Deloitte fiasco. 1342 01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:36.239 He facilitated bringing in guys like even though he would 1343 01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:39.320 eventually become a locker room headache, like since Avno is 1344 01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:42.280 one of the most talented players that's ever played. For sure, 1345 01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:44.920 like I think right now, I know, I know your 1346 01:04:44.960 --> 01:04:48.360 guy Jason is all about vibes in the crest. RSL 1347 01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:51.679 would take a Sava Reno right now, like it's not 1348 01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:56.400 there's no question. So and I know they had a 1349 01:04:56.440 --> 01:04:58.719 pass with him because he left, then came back and 1350 01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:02.519 left again. But yes, Elliott deserves some flowers. 1351 01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:06.079 Yeah, and the results bear it out. And we'll see 1352 01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.320 what this new window brings the club. Right now, they're 1353 01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:11.599 still on the outside looking in, but have a chance 1354 01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:12.440 to make the postseason. 1355 01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:13.920 If you can make the playoffs, you never know what 1356 01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:14.440 could happen. 1357 01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:16.239 All right, before we catch a break, want to let 1358 01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:17.920 you know you can help two hundred children at the 1359 01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:21.239 road home start school and style. Stop by the advocates 1360 01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:23.639 and Ogden, American Fork or Murray. Pick an apple from 1361 01:05:23.639 --> 01:05:26.000 the tree and you can supply clothing and backpacks for 1362 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:29.159 a child at the road home. Every child deserves an advocate. 1363 01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:32.679 Stop by today. See ESPN seven hundred Sports dot com 1364 01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:34.920 for more details. Will catch a break more with k 1365 01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:37.320 coming up on the other side right here on ESPN 1366 01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:40.400 seven hundred show rolls along today and my friend Melissa 1367 01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:43.159 from Sound Sleep Medical joined us live in studio once again. 1368 01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:43.960 Melissa, how are. 1369 01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:44.679 You doing great? 1370 01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:45.519 All right? 1371 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:49.360 Poor sleep affects people's health in several different ways. How 1372 01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:52.440 have you seen those things improve? From clients that you've 1373 01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:55.239 had to go through your program utilize the oral appliance 1374 01:05:55.239 --> 01:05:57.199 and improve their overall sleep. 1375 01:05:57.199 --> 01:05:58.280 How does their help improve? 1376 01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:01.440 Well, it improves a you know one is just your 1377 01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:04.039 quality of life will improve. There's a lot of people 1378 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:07.159 out there who are tired from morning tonight. That's a 1379 01:06:07.239 --> 01:06:10.920 really hard way to live your life. So fix your sleep. 1380 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:13.960 Suddenly you have more energy to engage with work. It's 1381 01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:17.639 just a lot easier. But there's many ways that it's 1382 01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:19.719 going to affect your health. You know, one that we 1383 01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:24.360 haven't talked about yet. Is metabolism. Say you're working out, dieting, 1384 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:27.480 doing everything you can, and those pounds just are not 1385 01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:30.960 coming off. It could be that you have untreated sleep 1386 01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:35.960 apnea and that is affecting things like stress, hormones, blood 1387 01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:39.119 sugar levels. It just becomes a lot easier or a 1388 01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:40.519 lot harder to lose weight. 1389 01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:43.360 Yeah, fix your sleep and that's all better. 1390 01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:45.880 And I'm sure some people are thinking, Okay, they're talking 1391 01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:47.840 about sleep apnear, they're going to sell me a seatpath. 1392 01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:49.840 It's not a seatpath. It's an oral appliance. 1393 01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:52.079 Since you offer a warranty on it, it's covered by 1394 01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:55.559 most major medical insurances. So tell us about this this 1395 01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:56.960 appliance you guys have developed. 1396 01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:00.519 It sounds sleep medical. Yeah, this is a legit medical device. 1397 01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:03.000 I mean it's a three D scan of your teeth, 1398 01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:06.199 so it's the perfect size, perfect fit. You just wear 1399 01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:08.239 it on your teeth during the night, kind of like 1400 01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:11.320 a bleach tray or a retainer. But I mean it's 1401 01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:14.880 been studied, proven to work, obviously, that's why insurance will 1402 01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:19.760 help you with it. It does qualify for HSA flex spending. 1403 01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:22.440 A lot of us are meeting our deductibles. This time 1404 01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:23.719 of year, great time to. 1405 01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:25.639 Get in and what's the special offer you have for 1406 01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:27.199 our listeners who give you a call today? 1407 01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:28.400 So call right now. 1408 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:30.920 The number is eight oh one three eight five nine 1409 01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:33.960 eight two four. You can also find us and schedule 1410 01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:38.480 at soundsleepmedical dot com. We're automatically for every person going 1411 01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:40.920 to give you a free sleep screening, which is the 1412 01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:42.920 test you get to do at home in your own bed, 1413 01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:46.719 free sleep consultation, where you bring it back, we'll download it, 1414 01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:50.000 give you those results. All of that, no obligation with 1415 01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:50.679 the show today. 1416 01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:53.199 It is a great deal, so call today, save money, 1417 01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:55.480 improve your sleep and improve your health with our friends 1418 01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:56.159 it Sounds Sleep. 1419 01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:59.960 They have six locations in Utah. Get weird on a Wednesday. 1420 01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:04.920 The Little George Michael I don't hate It, Chris Comaradie 1421 01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:09.440 live in studio, Any motivations with you landing on this 1422 01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:13.800 George Michael track and you're talking to a George Michael fan, unapologizing. 1423 01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:16.920 You asked for eighties music. It's a good one, it is, 1424 01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:21.359 and it is part of lots of silly, bad nineties 1425 01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:23.600 comedy movies. The first one that comes to mind this 1426 01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:25.279 night at the Roxbury or the Roxbury. 1427 01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:27.319 Yeah, it's it's and it's a good I mean. 1428 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:29.960 It works. 1429 01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:32.039 I don't have to tell you this, Chris, but we 1430 01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:34.640 are thirty eight days away from kickoff for the top football. 1431 01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:36.279 Where did the summer go? I'm depressed. 1432 01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:38.760 I know, man, we blink in it's here. We still 1433 01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:40.680 have a good few months of warm weather. 1434 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.920 Oh yeah, for sure, but there's I don't know. The 1435 01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:46.279 summer I feel like is getting shorter as we get older. 1436 01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:50.399 That's fair, okay, But you're going to be on assignment soon. 1437 01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:54.399 Any exciting athletic college football endeavors you'd like to inform 1438 01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:54.840 us about. 1439 01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:58.880 Well, yeah, I'm going to be going to the air 1440 01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:04.199 Lingus Classic or whatever it's called in Dublin, Ireland for 1441 01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:08.840 Week zero of college football Iowa State Kansas State, which 1442 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:13.319 is known in some circles as the Pharmageddon rivalry never been. 1443 01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:17.159 My assignment is to go over and figure out how 1444 01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:21.920 college football is landing in the homeland, even though I 1445 01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:25.159 might not look like it. I'm fifty percent Irish. 1446 01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:25.600 Are Irish? 1447 01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:29.840 Yeah okay, yep, so might have to go find my 1448 01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:33.960 ancestry somewhere. I'll get to be there for I mean 1449 01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:37.840 it's cool, but it's also like going international for three 1450 01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:40.359 and a half days, but my brain and body will 1451 01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:43.319 be not in a great place. Takes a minute to 1452 01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:47.319 recalibrate correct. So yeah, that's that's on the horizon. So yeah, 1453 01:09:47.439 --> 01:09:50.079 you talked about thirty eight days till Utah kicks off. 1454 01:09:50.239 --> 01:09:52.920 I'm going to be on a flight across the pond 1455 01:09:53.039 --> 01:09:54.039 much earlier than that. 1456 01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:54.960 That sounds exciting. 1457 01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:58.840 I have an aunt who is very adapted genealogy. 1458 01:09:58.840 --> 01:10:00.359 If you want me to put you in touch for there? 1459 01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:02.560 Does she work for the company that got hacked? 1460 01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:03.800 I don't believe. 1461 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:03.920 So. 1462 01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:07.840 I feel like every extended LDS family has one or 1463 01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:10.239 two family members that just crush genealogy. 1464 01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:11.199 Yeah, do you have one? 1465 01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:15.640 I don't, but maybe I'll get your aunt's contact info. 1466 01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:17.880 Yeah, I mean you put you in touch with the 1467 01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:19.359 folk who you need to go say hello? 1468 01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:20.359 Do they find them? 1469 01:10:20.439 --> 01:10:21.199 I have no idea. 1470 01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:23.640 See, Like, that's where I'm I understand the Internet is 1471 01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:28.840 is awesome but also dark and scary. Indeed, how do 1472 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:31.319 you I guess I'll just have to entrust him. I mean, 1473 01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:34.039 there is that one show where they have the celebrities 1474 01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:36.960 on and they like they track their their ancestry, and 1475 01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:39.640 it's been like, you know, they get celebrities on and 1476 01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:41.319 do all that thing. But I just don't know, like 1477 01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:45.359 who's trying to care about me? But maybe the internet does. 1478 01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:47.520 It's a good question. I honestly don't know the method 1479 01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:50.520 behind the madness. But my aunt is insanely organized. Like 1480 01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:52.439 every year at our reunion we do the thing. 1481 01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:54.039 She based in Utah. 1482 01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:57.279 She lives in Arizona now okay, but she rolls up 1483 01:10:57.319 --> 01:10:58.239 for the family reunion. 1484 01:10:58.279 --> 01:10:59.439 Then we sit down and we learn it. 1485 01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:01.119 I will thank you. 1486 01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:05.239 Are you as obsessed with this astronomer CEO Coldplay story. 1487 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:05.880 As as I? 1488 01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:10.800 Admittedly? When I was in the throes of parenthood solo 1489 01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:14.319 last week, I missed it originally, but I finally caught 1490 01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:19.359 on and very funny. Apparently RCEL had a pretty good 1491 01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:24.600 fan gag they did at their expense last week. Listen, 1492 01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:29.720 man can't get caught slipping And Chris Martin, I don't know. 1493 01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:32.960 I don't know if if if he had a if 1494 01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:35.399 there's a vendetta in play here, or if he just 1495 01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:37.560 saw somebody who looked really happy and was like, I'm 1496 01:11:37.560 --> 01:11:38.560 happy for those guys. 1497 01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:41.680 But I don't know that there was anything milicious behind it. It 1498 01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:44.319 looked like a lovely couple experiencing a cold Play. 1499 01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:46.000 Concert for about point five seconds. 1500 01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:51.680 There's so many incredible angles here, like the fact that 1501 01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:54.680 the woman is the head of HR for the company 1502 01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:59.439 just makes it. Yes, shout out John Paul Chef's kiss. 1503 01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:02.680 Unless I've missed something, because the other thing there was 1504 01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:04.439 like a statement that was going around that turned out 1505 01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:09.800 to be fake that the astronomer CEO apparently released, but 1506 01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:13.119 then it wasn't his statement, so I don't really know 1507 01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:16.640 what the latest is. Apparently he's been fired. The board 1508 01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:18.319 got together and was like, this is a bad look. 1509 01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:22.399 My favorite part is the woman's husband has said nothing. 1510 01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:25.800 I'm just kind of obsessed with this dude, Like I 1511 01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:27.479 wonder if it's like a get out of jail free 1512 01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:29.800 card for him, if he's like, free your last, free last. 1513 01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:31.319 Or if he's like, can I get free coal plate 1514 01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:32.119 tickets out of this? 1515 01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:36.439 They're gonna get paid the CEO's wife, if you gonna 1516 01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:37.000 make some cash? 1517 01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:40.279 Never heard? Is it astronomer astronomer? What is the company? 1518 01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:43.800 I don't know see is this good for that company? 1519 01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:47.319 In the day and age where currency is attention, is 1520 01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:49.479 it actually something that will benefit the company. 1521 01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:52.880 Maybe maybe a blip, but I want to say it's 1522 01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:54.600 like an AI thing, But maybe I'm wrong. 1523 01:12:55.079 --> 01:12:56.600 The whole thing is just I don't know. 1524 01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:59.399 It's sad in a way, but also very comical in 1525 01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:01.479 a way that that's how they were outed. I do 1526 01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:04.800 not have a stomach for cheaters. But you know, anyway, 1527 01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:09.079 back to college football. So speaking of cheatings, yeah, talk 1528 01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:10.279 about a segue. 1529 01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:11.600 Here we go back to college football. 1530 01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:15.239 We are right around the corner Big ten Media Days 1531 01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.840 right now in Vegas at Mandalay Bay. Were you asked 1532 01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:20.680 to go to any media days? You were not assigned 1533 01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:23.000 any negative How did you get out of that stuff? 1534 01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:24.920 Very carefully? 1535 01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:28.439 I truly would like to know how you get out 1536 01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:28.640 of this. 1537 01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:31.439 Well, Luckily, our staff size is pretty decent, and I 1538 01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:34.279 work with people who are a lot more famous in 1539 01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:38.359 the in the world of college football reporting, and they 1540 01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:39.920 know if they put me out there, I'm just going 1541 01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:42.359 to draw so much attention to myself, you know. 1542 01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:44.600 Because that's how you are. Yeah. Well, at Big twelve 1543 01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:47.520 Media Days, there was a room allocated to the athletic Yeah, 1544 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:49.760 and Mike Feldman, Yeah. 1545 01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:53.840 Bruce was there, David Euban was there. Justin Williams was there. 1546 01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:58.039 Chris Vanini, who is my guy, and for a multitude 1547 01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:02.039 of reasons. He for some reason, people at our company 1548 01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:05.359 and readers confuse us all the time because of the 1549 01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:08.600 slight similarities between the sounding of our last name. 1550 01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:10.039 Camrodnie Vanini. 1551 01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:12.840 So like there's been multiple times where people have like 1552 01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:14.319 sent me a slack and be like, hey, I have 1553 01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:17.079 a question about your story. It's like, Nope, not me. 1554 01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:18.079 It's Chris. 1555 01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:18.560 Interesting. 1556 01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:19.840 So he's my Italian brother. 1557 01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:21.760 Well, let's get him on the show because I read 1558 01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:28.000 what Chris ries so today Matt Baker, you know, Matt. 1559 01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:29.960 Good friend of the Good Friend of the program, a 1560 01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:35.880 genius when it comes to open records requests, and just 1561 01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:38.159 a very very good reporter. He was hired in the 1562 01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:40.079 last year and he's been a terrific ad. 1563 01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:41.680 So really interesting piece today. 1564 01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:44.000 Actually, I guess it came out yesterday because Sean was 1565 01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:47.560 talking about it on his show. Because you know, this 1566 01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:49.880 is the time of year where you start to read 1567 01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:52.239 the college football previews, you start to listen to the 1568 01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:54.439 college football pods, and you start to get ready for 1569 01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:57.319 the season. And I'm always reminded how many idiots cover 1570 01:14:57.359 --> 01:14:58.680 the sport and how many. 1571 01:14:58.520 --> 01:14:59.960 Like idiots cover all sports. 1572 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:03.720 It's true, but I'm always reminded when I dig back in, like, oh, 1573 01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:07.000 this media ecosystem actually contains a lot of people that 1574 01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:09.960 clearly are pandering to the conference they cover or the 1575 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:12.720 school they cover, and their fans are not media members. 1576 01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:14.239 And there's this. 1577 01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:19.079 Kind of landscape of Big twelve media that's starting to 1578 01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:21.520 feel like the way PAC twelve media felt at the 1579 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:26.079 very end. Like John Canzano came on the show and 1580 01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:33.119 he was basically outlining his side of things, and it 1581 01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:35.600 was draped in this belief that the PAC twelve was 1582 01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:37.880 going to make it, because of course he covers the 1583 01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:38.439 PAC twelve. 1584 01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:40.600 He wants the conference to survive. It's better for him 1585 01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:42.880 and his business and his sub stack or whatever he's doing. 1586 01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:46.359 And I push back on the things that he was 1587 01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:48.199 bringing to the table because I just disagree with him. 1588 01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:50.279 He started yelling at me that I wasn't listening. I'm like, 1589 01:15:50.319 --> 01:15:53.479 I'm listening, but you're wrong. This thing is done. It's dead. 1590 01:15:54.079 --> 01:15:58.039 You could tell with all of the horrible decision making 1591 01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:00.840 that went back all the way to Larry Scott and 1592 01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:02.760 look the first four or five years of Utah in 1593 01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:05.079 the PAC twelve. Larry Scott walked on water here because 1594 01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:08.119 he was the commissioner that was part of the decision 1595 01:16:08.159 --> 01:16:11.000 making process that landed Utah on the Big twelve. And 1596 01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:13.840 then of course George Klaioffcoff, they wait way too long 1597 01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:14.960 to go to market with their rights. 1598 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:15.760 We know the deal. 1599 01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:18.359 And Gonzano's like yelling at me that I'm not listening 1600 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:20.159 to them. I'm like, I am listening to You're just wrong. 1601 01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:24.359 This thing is cooked. And I keep hearing this like 1602 01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:29.119 Big twelve media approach to try to spin it like 1603 01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:31.000 the Big twelve was on par with a Big ten 1604 01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:33.640 in the SEC, which it is not in any way, 1605 01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:36.520 shape or form. 1606 01:16:35.359 --> 01:16:39.920 Not competitive, not on a competitive level, not. 1607 01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:43.000 On a revenue generating level, not on a national interest level. 1608 01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:44.920 There's no world where. 1609 01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:46.479 The Big twelve is even close to the Big ten 1610 01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:49.960 of the SEC. And Matt today with a really interesting 1611 01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:54.960 exercise NCAA FBS program valuation projections. 1612 01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:58.199 I rtied that for you. Thank you, I seriously did. 1613 01:16:58.319 --> 01:16:59.880 I thought like this would be good for. 1614 01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:02.600 Well, That's exactly why it came up on my feet 1615 01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:04.880 because I follow Mat now, but I didn't prior to 1616 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:08.640 your retweet. So, of the top thirty schools, I already 1617 01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:10.560 read the list. But of the top thirty schools, there 1618 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:14.399 are two Big twelve schools. One is Utah with evaluation 1619 01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:16.880 of five hundred and thirty nine MIL. One is TCU 1620 01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:20.079 with evaluation of five hundred and twenty three MIL. Okay 1621 01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:22.720 the top and you guys know which conferences they're in. 1622 01:17:22.760 --> 01:17:23.079 Okay. 1623 01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:26.119 All of these schools are either in the SEC or 1624 01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:31.760 the Big Ten. Texas, Georgia, Ohio State, Notre Dame in Michigan, Bama, Oklahoma, USC, Tennessee, LSU, 1625 01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:36.039 Penn State, Florida, Auburn, Oregon, Texas A and m Washington Nebraska. 1626 01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:38.399 The first team on this list that's not in the 1627 01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:40.439 Big Ten of the SEC is Florida State. Who's in 1628 01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:45.800 the ACC Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, all ranked ahead of 1629 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:48.279 any of the Big twelve schools, which is Utah TCU. 1630 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:49.920 I mean. 1631 01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:54.560 Another piece of evidence is to where this conference exists 1632 01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:56.560 in the ecosystem of college football. 1633 01:17:56.920 --> 01:17:59.359 Regardless of what people who shill for the conference want 1634 01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:00.000 to tell you. 1635 01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:01.960 The wise man once said, if you will it, it 1636 01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:08.439 is no dream. Oh Walter subcheck like the Big Labask yeah, 1637 01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:11.319 I mean I'm with you. It seemed like that that's 1638 01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:15.720 kind of where the conference finds itself. And granted a 1639 01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:20.159 couple of years of like astoundingly good football changes this. 1640 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:23.439 If the Big Twelve can get two or three teams 1641 01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:25.359 in the playoff in the next three years, I think 1642 01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:30.640 maybe you start to, you know, peel back the onion 1643 01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:32.479 a little bit. Maybe you can weasel your way into 1644 01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:36.840 the conversation. But until you do that, ain't nobody going 1645 01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:40.720 to be changing the status quo for you, no matter 1646 01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:43.279 how much you no matter how much you talk about it, 1647 01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:46.800 no matter how much the Shills want to just say, like, 1648 01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:49.159 I promise this is gonna happen. I promise this is 1649 01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:53.079 a big deal. No man, The powers that be are 1650 01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:54.800 the powers that be for a reason, and the Big 1651 01:18:54.840 --> 01:18:57.319 Twelve has so much work to do. You know, they 1652 01:18:57.319 --> 01:18:59.880 have good basketball programs, it's great. But other than that, 1653 01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:04.319 the moneymakers football it is, always will be, and it 1654 01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:08.359 does not bode this conference well that every off season 1655 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:10.159 you're gonna be able to go in and be like 1656 01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:12.119 throw a dart at the board and be like, who's 1657 01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:16.520 gonna win it this year? UCF Okay, Houston, all right, Utah, sure, 1658 01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:19.680 b Yu whatever like, that's that's gonna wa that's the 1659 01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:21.279 conference is going to be this way for a while. 1660 01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:22.920 That's the reality they're facing. 1661 01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:27.000 BYU's valuation comes in at fiftieth in the country and 1662 01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:29.560 ninth in the Big twelve at three hundred and six million. 1663 01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:31.399 That felt low to me. 1664 01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:35.119 Too many extenuating circumstances. 1665 01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:40.279 It's such a unique place, as you know, it's a 1666 01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:44.079 private school, so probably not everything is going to always 1667 01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:45.520 be publicly divulged. 1668 01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:46.560 They're not. 1669 01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:50.520 They're not subject to public record requests or grammar requests. 1670 01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:55.000 But I agree with you. My guess would be that 1671 01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:56.279 that's part of the reason why. 1672 01:19:57.079 --> 01:20:00.319 Yeah, and maybe it's a lack of understanding or the 1673 01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:03.159 lack of information to your point, because I think what 1674 01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:05.359 Matt did is really fascinating. 1675 01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:07.439 Jake raetzath Lands. 1676 01:20:07.199 --> 01:20:08.720 Of tu Lane, Yeah, are you stoked? 1677 01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:09.560 Sure? 1678 01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:13.760 Matt Brown, And Matt's funny guy. He had a funny 1679 01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:14.479 line he said. 1680 01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:17.000 Jake just left the place where there are four Jews 1681 01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:19.840 and hundreds of thousands of Mormons to go to a 1682 01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:22.159 school where there's hundreds of thousands of Jews and probably 1683 01:20:22.239 --> 01:20:24.319 four Mormons. Yeah, a little bit of a culture shot 1684 01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:24.800 for our guy. 1685 01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:28.640 I think, I mean, the manner in which Jake's BYU 1686 01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:32.479 career ended is messy, and it's unique to the school, 1687 01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:38.000 but it is it is somewhat like intriguing that we 1688 01:20:38.840 --> 01:20:41.840 as a as a college football ecosystem are so fascinated 1689 01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:44.880 where Jake Rhetzlaf is going. Like Jake was a decent quarterback, 1690 01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:47.760 but like he wasn't. This isn't Zach Wilson the year 1691 01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:50.840 he went number two in the draft. Like Jake was 1692 01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:53.000 good and b Yu was you know, in the mix 1693 01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:56.239 for the conference title late into November. But it's I mean, 1694 01:20:57.760 --> 01:20:59.479 Jake has to beat out a bunch of other guys 1695 01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:02.159 a too lane brought in as transfers. I mean, Jake's 1696 01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:03.920 not even a transfer, He's a walk on because the 1697 01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:04.680 portal's not open. 1698 01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:07.279 Yeah, that was kind of a weird dynamic, this whole thing. 1699 01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:10.159 They weren't even allowed to contact him go they had 1700 01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:12.960 to go through his reps. Colorado three hundred and twenty 1701 01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:16.560 eight mil. That's eleventh in the Big twelve. Found that 1702 01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:17.399 kind of interesting. 1703 01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:20.199 Ninety nine percent of that is due to Dion for sure. 1704 01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:22.880 It is actually excuse me, that's seventh in the Big twelve. 1705 01:21:22.920 --> 01:21:26.840 It's actually a couple of spots ahead of BYU. I'm 1706 01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:30.079 stunned that we have not seen this actually come to 1707 01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:34.279 fruition where private equity has been infused into college football. 1708 01:21:34.279 --> 01:21:35.560 It feels like it's just a matter of time. 1709 01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:38.079 I think Greg Sinki was asked about this at SEC 1710 01:21:38.199 --> 01:21:41.000 media days or one of the commissioners was recently, and 1711 01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:43.680 they said, right now, it just it doesn't make sense 1712 01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:48.000 for their conference. So if you have somebody publicly saying that, 1713 01:21:48.039 --> 01:21:50.000 I mean, I guess we're still a little ways away. 1714 01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:56.159 But as we've seen that nothing matters. Everything is up 1715 01:21:56.199 --> 01:22:01.319 subject to change. It's going to change. The CSC got, 1716 01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:04.159 you know, sued into oblivion in just a matter of 1717 01:22:04.159 --> 01:22:06.199 weeks and now they're backtracking on all their stuff. Like 1718 01:22:07.119 --> 01:22:10.079 at this point, I understand why some fans would want 1719 01:22:10.119 --> 01:22:12.359 to understand the minutia of at all. But for a 1720 01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:14.119 lot of fans, my guess is just like, let's just 1721 01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:15.560 wait till we line up and kick the ball. 1722 01:22:15.640 --> 01:22:15.840 Yeah. 1723 01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:19.319 I think most people, you know, I am interested in 1724 01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:23.920 the mechanisms that makes the sport tick. How many regular 1725 01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:26.359 sports fans consumers are interested in those things? 1726 01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:26.720 I don't know. 1727 01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:28.920 I think most people, to your point, just want Saturdays 1728 01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:29.079 in the. 1729 01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:33.560 Fall, Saturdays in the fall, and just less Migraines. 1730 01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:35.239 Oh, how are we doing there? 1731 01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:37.880 By the way, we're getting there. You're hanging in exceerin Migraine. 1732 01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:38.640 You got Etcen. 1733 01:22:39.399 --> 01:22:42.399 You have it like in a holster, ready to ready 1734 01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:43.680 to access at any time. 1735 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:45.279 Just throw it out there. 1736 01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:47.600 You know who will be the MVP of the MLS 1737 01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:48.479 All Star Game tonight? 1738 01:22:50.119 --> 01:22:52.800 Are we assuming it's an MLS player or lega MS? 1739 01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:53.279 I don't. 1740 01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:55.479 I'm gonna say I couldn't name. 1741 01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:58.000 Five players, man, no idea? 1742 01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:00.319 Can you name one other player and that's not Diego 1743 01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:01.960 Luna on the MLS All Start team. 1744 01:23:02.079 --> 01:23:06.239 Hey, we got to get roosters in here. Uh did 1745 01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:08.359 Chea make it? 1746 01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:09.159 Yeah? 1747 01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:12.000 Don't ask me questions you can't answer. Put me on 1748 01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:15.119 the spot like that, man, did Aaron Herrera make it? 1749 01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:18.920 Do we exclude former RSL player? 1750 01:23:19.079 --> 01:23:21.119 No? Just keep bringing up former RSL players? 1751 01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:24.640 Dude, I don't watch MLS outside r I watch RSL 1752 01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:28.760 the other night. Uh, nothing was going on, So I 1753 01:23:28.760 --> 01:23:30.680 think I fired up El Classico. 1754 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:33.119 That was kind of fun, But no, I don't watch our. 1755 01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:38.680 Traffic co bro, Come on, see how dare you offended. 1756 01:23:38.359 --> 01:23:40.760 On several levels. C K will set you loose. Good 1757 01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:43.359 to see you all right, Chris Camarondie. We're going to 1758 01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:46.119 bring in Ryles today. Voice the Youths will join us. 1759 01:23:46.359 --> 01:23:49.000 My friend Reese Peck, friend of the show, is also 1760 01:23:49.159 --> 01:23:52.000 going to stop by today live and studio. Appreciate Chris's 1761 01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:55.880 time for stopping by today. Uh so we'll get to 1762 01:23:55.920 --> 01:23:58.720 some of the other storylines. R s L is an 1763 01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:03.359 action of local interest coming up on Saturday, Chichio Orango. 1764 01:24:03.479 --> 01:24:04.600 We'll be back in town. 1765 01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:07.079 But we are joined live in studio by a very 1766 01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:11.199 special guest, our friends at Rooster's Brewing. Jamie stops by 1767 01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:13.520 on a Wednesday. Right is that you? 1768 01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:14.720 I'm actually read? 1769 01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:19.239 You're ready? Wait, your name is read? My name is okay, good, 1770 01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:20.960 let's get your right in front of that microphone. 1771 01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:22.720 Madeline. Nice to meet you. How are you nice to 1772 01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:25.720 meet So? Is it an easy parallel to say people 1773 01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:27.279 call you red because you have red hair? 1774 01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:30.680 Well, honestly, my granddad called me red when I was 1775 01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:32.600 growing up, and as I worked in restaurants, it just 1776 01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:33.479 kept sticking around. 1777 01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:36.199 Are you one of those like lifetime in the service 1778 01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:37.439 industry restaurant folk? 1779 01:24:37.680 --> 01:24:41.199 Oh yeah, I got my first serving job at fourteen in. 1780 01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:44.000 Oklahoma at fourteen in Oklahoma, and you've kind of just 1781 01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:46.079 ridden with it, huh, pretty much. See, I did it 1782 01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:48.000 for let's get your right in front of that microphone. 1783 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:48.399 There you go. 1784 01:24:48.960 --> 01:24:51.720 I did it for six months in college. Yeah, which 1785 01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:53.199 is a good everybody should. 1786 01:24:52.960 --> 01:24:53.720 Have the experience. 1787 01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:54.840 I completely agree. 1788 01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:57.560 I was not very good at it, and uh, you know, 1789 01:24:57.600 --> 01:24:59.560 I'm glad that I. 1790 01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:01.159 Was able to find a ways to make a living. 1791 01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:03.520 What do you like most about working in the service industry? 1792 01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:06.359 Man, I know it's probably it's pretty cliche to say, 1793 01:25:06.359 --> 01:25:08.439 but I love the people. I love getting this, like 1794 01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:12.319 spend time especially. I've always worked at restaurants that have regulars. Sure, 1795 01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:15.039 the bar worked out in college. I mean literally people 1796 01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:17.039 walk in and you're pouring their drink before they sit down. 1797 01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:20.079 That's fun, and I just like kind of building those relationships. 1798 01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:24.000 I'm pretty scatterbrain or I to do multiple things at once. 1799 01:25:24.039 --> 01:25:25.560 So if it's my personality, well. 1800 01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:27.920 Well it's it's I always had tremendous rear because I 1801 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:31.880 worked with like professional servers, and they make good money, 1802 01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:34.920 they know how to do it, they're organized, and you know, 1803 01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:37.239 I think the first night I made like twelve bucks, 1804 01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:38.760 and I went and got some Wendy's and I had 1805 01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:40.479 like five dollars left over. So I'm like, I need 1806 01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:42.640 to find something else to do something else. So Madison, 1807 01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:44.119 we're flying blind a little bit. 1808 01:25:44.119 --> 01:25:44.199 Here. 1809 01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:46.079 Are you with Roosters or are you with ketos? 1810 01:25:46.359 --> 01:25:48.600 So I am with Roosters, You're with Roosters. I'm the 1811 01:25:48.640 --> 01:25:50.520 Layton brewer for Roosters Brown Company. 1812 01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:53.800 Okay, very nice. So Rooster's Brewing four locations too in Ogden, 1813 01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:56.359 one in Leyton, and then one at the Airport Roostersbrewing 1814 01:25:56.680 --> 01:25:58.359 Co dot Com. What do you want our listeners to 1815 01:25:58.399 --> 01:25:59.880 know about? What do you have going out of Roosters. 1816 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:01.920 Well, we're kind of in the middle of our beer 1817 01:26:01.960 --> 01:26:07.119 fest season. Tomorrow is Pian Beer Day, the little spinoff 1818 01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:10.520 of Pioneer Day. Then indeed, indeed down at the Bee Stadium, 1819 01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:12.279 we're going to be doing a beer fest that has 1820 01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:16.640 dessert pairings. We're doing our honey Wheat with a bread 1821 01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:18.560 pudding so I can buy and grave a little slice 1822 01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:20.560 of that. It's honestly, it's a really wonderful event that 1823 01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:24.439 they do for Pioneer's Day each year. We also have 1824 01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:28.439 a couple other events coming up in October. We're actually 1825 01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:29.920 having our very own brew. 1826 01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:31.880 Fest up in Ogden, Are you really? 1827 01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:33.239 We are for the love of beer. 1828 01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:35.239 We've done it a couple of years. It's been a 1829 01:26:35.239 --> 01:26:36.560 couple of years since we've done it, but when we 1830 01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:39.560 first started opening, we did a couple fests, and this 1831 01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:43.239 year with for our thirtieth anniversary, it is indeed, we 1832 01:26:43.279 --> 01:26:44.800 decided to bring it back and we're going to do 1833 01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:48.359 a whole big kit kaboodle off Bee Street in Ogden. 1834 01:26:48.640 --> 01:26:49.920 It's October eleven. 1835 01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:50.880 Very nice. 1836 01:26:51.079 --> 01:26:53.439 I'm glad that you're able to tell me about these 1837 01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:55.720 things because my talking Points have an event on June 1838 01:26:55.720 --> 01:26:57.159 twenty first, so we're going to just go ahead and 1839 01:26:57.159 --> 01:27:00.199 put that aside. So before we set you loose all 1840 01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:02.960 the locations where can people go get more information? 1841 01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:06.479 Absolutely so. Our original location that's thirty years old this 1842 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:08.840 year is on twenty fifth Street in Ogden. Our tap 1843 01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:12.520 room which is a bar. All the other Roosters restaurants 1844 01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:15.640 are family friendly, but the tap room at b Street 1845 01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:17.239 is a bar, so you got to make sure you're twenty. 1846 01:27:17.079 --> 01:27:17.920 One before you head there. 1847 01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:20.439 We also have our late location and we have the 1848 01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:22.520 location in the airport, so right. 1849 01:27:22.439 --> 01:27:24.039 After you get through security. You can't miss it. 1850 01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:26.920 Great to see you. Thanks for the knowledge and information. 1851 01:27:27.159 --> 01:27:29.359 And you seem like a very pleasant person. I'm sure 1852 01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:30.920 you're excellent at your job. Nice to meet you. 1853 01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:31.520 Nice to meet you. 1854 01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:33.479 All right, we got two hours down, two hours to go. 1855 01:27:33.560 --> 01:27:35.079 We will catch a quick break and bring in the 1856 01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:36.720 Voice of the Ute, Bill Riley, coming up on the 1857 01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:37.199 other side. 1858 01:27:37.279 --> 01:27:40.600 Right here on the ESPN seven hundred thirty eight days, 1859 01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:44.520 thirty eight days away. Utah football is almost here. 1860 01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:46.359 It's that time of year where it's tiding to look 1861 01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:49.800 forward and get excited. And we've got big ten media 1862 01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:51.279 days at Vandalay. 1863 01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:55.239 Bay in Las Vegas. Did I say Vandalay Seinfeld on 1864 01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:59.079 the mind? Mandalay Bay, Mandala Industry shout out? 1865 01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:01.520 And then the AC is in Charlotte, the Voice of 1866 01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:04.359 the Utes, and I believe Seinfeld fan Bill Riley on 1867 01:28:04.359 --> 01:28:05.720 a Wednesday Rouse, Happy Wednesday? 1868 01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:08.960 Are you would that be art? Vandala and Vandale Industries. 1869 01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:13.079 What a weird error calling Mandalay Bay Vandalai Bay. 1870 01:28:13.279 --> 01:28:17.359 I have recently done the Seinfeld rewatch. It is highly recommended. 1871 01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:19.119 Cromerica Industries. 1872 01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:23.399 Perhaps what is uh? 1873 01:28:23.439 --> 01:28:26.079 Oh wait, you're a wire guy like the Bill Riley 1874 01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:27.840 Mount Rushmore of TV series. 1875 01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:29.159 Do you have you have your top four? 1876 01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:37.359 Wire one? I would say Game of Thrones too, well, Matt, 1877 01:28:37.399 --> 01:28:38.720 anywhere they're on, they're up there. 1878 01:28:39.560 --> 01:28:40.279 I am a. 1879 01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:44.439 Really big Spence Friday Night Lights fan. The television show 1880 01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:47.399 it was. It was fantastic, And then I would say 1881 01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:49.399 probably Breaking Bad. 1882 01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:52.920 Good call. Have you done a second rewatch on any 1883 01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:53.279 of them? 1884 01:28:54.079 --> 01:28:57.279 Well, I've probably watched The Wire four or five times. 1885 01:28:57.520 --> 01:28:59.520 It's one of those go tos. And then occasionally you'll 1886 01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:02.680 just pick one out. A Game of Thrones one rewatch, 1887 01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:07.319 Breaking Bad a rewatch, and Friday Night Lights probably three 1888 01:29:07.439 --> 01:29:09.399 or four rewatches because it went off the air like 1889 01:29:09.439 --> 01:29:10.199 fifteen years ago. 1890 01:29:10.399 --> 01:29:13.159 So what's the Ryles take on Sopranos. 1891 01:29:13.560 --> 01:29:18.000 I like the Sopranos, probably in my top ten. My 1892 01:29:18.399 --> 01:29:21.159 only issue with the Sopranos, and again it was early 1893 01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:24.840 appointment watching television. There was always one or two episodes 1894 01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:28.279 in a season that really had nothing to do with 1895 01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:32.199 the season plotline. Tony would go to Las Vegas and 1896 01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:35.880 trip on acid and have weird dreams or you know, 1897 01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:39.159 just something wild. So I love the Sopranos, but it's 1898 01:29:39.239 --> 01:29:41.359 not quite Mount rushmore for me. 1899 01:29:41.720 --> 01:29:42.680 Fair enough, fair enough. 1900 01:29:42.680 --> 01:29:45.479 Where would you rank college football on just the pantheon 1901 01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:46.319 of watching TV? 1902 01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:52.960 Well, in person watching amazing and on TV pretty good too, 1903 01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:59.159 depending on who's producing it. Probably my favorite in person watch, 1904 01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:01.680 just because of the passion and the difference in the state. 1905 01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:03.920 I love the NFL, don't get me wrong, but the 1906 01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:07.000 NFL is kind of all the same. Different levels of 1907 01:30:07.039 --> 01:30:09.520 play on the field, high level, but the stadiums all 1908 01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:09.880 kind of this. 1909 01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:10.479 I like the. 1910 01:30:10.439 --> 01:30:13.840 Different traditions and venues and parts of the country you 1911 01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:14.880 get with college football. 1912 01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:17.520 So thirty eight days out riles. What's this time of 1913 01:30:17.560 --> 01:30:19.119 year on the calendar? Like for the voice of the 1914 01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:22.359 youths and the director of broadcasting, what's the energy in 1915 01:30:22.399 --> 01:30:23.239 the building right now? 1916 01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:26.359 Well, it's kind of I mean, it's a week from 1917 01:30:26.359 --> 01:30:29.920 today the practice starts spend, so it's kind of counting 1918 01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:34.880 it down and getting excited. And we launched today our 1919 01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:38.840 podcast series of my podcast with the different coaching staff. 1920 01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:39.880 We're going to do two a week. 1921 01:30:40.319 --> 01:30:43.439 We'll have one drop today on the Utah Athletics and 1922 01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:47.560 Utah Football social media channels. And I talked to every 1923 01:30:47.640 --> 01:30:50.840 coach on the Utah football coaching staff so I did 1924 01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:53.520 those a couple of weeks ago, and they were just 1925 01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:57.600 great insights on the guys but also on football and 1926 01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:00.840 what their expectations were for the season. That kind of 1927 01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:02.880 got me excited a month ago, But now that we're 1928 01:31:02.920 --> 01:31:05.319 a week away and thirty eight days from that game 1929 01:31:05.359 --> 01:31:07.960 at UCLA, and I think I always get a little 1930 01:31:07.960 --> 01:31:10.079 more excited too when you know you've got a good opener. 1931 01:31:10.640 --> 01:31:13.439 I don't know how good UCLA is, but they're going 1932 01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:15.840 to be better than a one double a opponent, and 1933 01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:18.640 going back to the Rose Bowl brings back great memories 1934 01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:23.920 regular season, postseason, So probably a little bit more excitement 1935 01:31:24.079 --> 01:31:27.439 just based on the expectation for the year and where 1936 01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:30.079 that opener is and the opponent that that we're going 1937 01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:30.920 to see in the opener. 1938 01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:34.359 Which of the coaches were in the podcast series? Which 1939 01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:36.439 episode drops today today? 1940 01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:39.880 Is the first? And I believe it's Morgan Scaley. So 1941 01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:44.760 I let it off with the longtime defensive coordinator for Carnity, 1942 01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:45.960 brother of yours. 1943 01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:49.720 Indeed in Hawk No Bill, Come On, Get It Right. 1944 01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:53.319 And in Hope, and. 1945 01:31:55.239 --> 01:31:58.479 Had a really good conversation with Morgan and just kind 1946 01:31:58.479 --> 01:32:01.279 of talked a lot about, you know, last season, and 1947 01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:04.640 this season and what he's expecting coming back, and you know, 1948 01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:07.560 the excitement around the team and the program. I just 1949 01:32:07.560 --> 01:32:09.640 think that there's you know, we've talked about it, there's 1950 01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:12.039 a real excitement and energy about it. And you know, 1951 01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:14.119 he's got a lot of continuity on the defensive side 1952 01:32:14.119 --> 01:32:17.319 and good coaches. But it was a fun conversation with Morgan. 1953 01:32:17.399 --> 01:32:19.600 So you guys, listeners can go to the you know, 1954 01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:23.560 the different Utah Social, utaih Athletics, Utah Football and you 1955 01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:25.880 know you'll see a snippet in there of the podcast 1956 01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:27.840 and then the full full length there'll be a link 1957 01:32:27.920 --> 01:32:30.319 to it, and they're all about twenty minutes each. But 1958 01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:32.399 it's a good it's a good insight for the different 1959 01:32:32.439 --> 01:32:33.680 coaches and position groups. 1960 01:32:33.800 --> 01:32:37.920 How do you feel like Morgan is handling the And look, 1961 01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:40.840 he's still young, so he's got a lot of coaching 1962 01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:43.039 in front of him. Part of me just wonders if 1963 01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:45.239 he's kind of chomping at the bit to kind of 1964 01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:47.680 put his own stamp on the program as the head coach. 1965 01:32:47.720 --> 01:32:49.800 And obviously Kyle is back. 1966 01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:52.199 Kyle's on a contract and Kyle will coach as long 1967 01:32:52.199 --> 01:32:53.880 as Kyle wants, and he has earned the right to 1968 01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:55.640 walk away when he wants to, and he's earned the 1969 01:32:55.720 --> 01:32:57.399 right to let us know when that time comes. But 1970 01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:00.399 what sort of kind of energetic feel did you get 1971 01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:01.960 from Morgan? How do you think he's kind of handling 1972 01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:03.079 the dynamic? 1973 01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:06.199 Well, I think the dynamics fine, because he's you know, 1974 01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:09.199 this is he's been kind of coaching waiting a couple 1975 01:33:09.279 --> 01:33:12.239 of different times, and this time it's I just think 1976 01:33:12.279 --> 01:33:15.039 he knows the job is his and he didn't talk 1977 01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:17.479 about that. He's not going to talk about that or 1978 01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:19.319 you know, he's just going to talk about the season 1979 01:33:19.359 --> 01:33:21.319 ahead and the team. But you know, you wouldn't be 1980 01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:25.279 human if you weren't thinking about next year or the 1981 01:33:25.319 --> 01:33:28.880 year after, whenever that time happens to be, because then 1982 01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:32.039 it's going to be yours. So yeah, he's never going 1983 01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:34.880 to talk about it publicly just because that isn't how 1984 01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:38.159 he is, because it's not his till it's his. But 1985 01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:40.720 I would guess in his mind, and you know Morgan, 1986 01:33:40.760 --> 01:33:46.159 he's very meticulous, very analytic. He's he's probably begun at 1987 01:33:46.239 --> 01:33:49.279 least in his head, planning for whenever that day happens 1988 01:33:49.319 --> 01:33:49.680 to come. 1989 01:33:49.880 --> 01:33:53.960 What are from your viewpoint the similarities between Kyle and Morgan, 1990 01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:55.960 and what are the differences, Because there are times where 1991 01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:59.680 I'll be listening to Morgan oppressor or interviewing him or whatever. 1992 01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:01.880 I'm like many sounds a lot like Kyle, and then 1993 01:34:01.960 --> 01:34:03.800 knowing Morgan for as long as I have, I know 1994 01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:06.359 that he very much is his own man. What do 1995 01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:09.000 you perceive to be the similarities and the differences between 1996 01:34:09.039 --> 01:34:09.720 the two coaches? 1997 01:34:10.159 --> 01:34:12.960 Well, I think from the well, I think the personalities 1998 01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:15.319 from a football standpoint are very similar. 1999 01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:16.520 I mean, why wouldn't they be. 2000 01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:20.920 Morgan played for Kyle, Morgan played in this defense. Morgan 2001 01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:25.319 has spent his entire coaching career working with Kyle Whittingham. 2002 01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:29.520 So the mindset, the philosophy. I'm not saying that Morgan doesn't. 2003 01:34:29.720 --> 01:34:32.039 He kind of does his own thing. It's not in lockstep, 2004 01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:35.359 but they think very similarly with how they want to 2005 01:34:35.439 --> 01:34:38.199 run a defense and things like that. I think their 2006 01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:41.880 personalities are different where Kyle is you know, Kyle's a 2007 01:34:41.920 --> 01:34:44.640 little bit more laid back and he's a little bit 2008 01:34:44.680 --> 01:34:48.960 more dry with his humor. Morgan, you know, Morgan, Morgan 2009 01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:52.960 can be you know, in the right situation, he can 2010 01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:57.560 be very very playful, kind of goofy, practical joker. Sometimes 2011 01:34:57.560 --> 01:35:01.199 you hear people tell stories about practical jokes. He polls 2012 01:35:01.239 --> 01:35:04.119 with with other coaches inside the building. So I think 2013 01:35:04.159 --> 01:35:07.840 from a football mindset they're very, very similar. Their personalities 2014 01:35:07.880 --> 01:35:09.520 are probably a little bit different, though I. 2015 01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:12.359 Want to ask you about actually one more question about 2016 01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:15.319 the defense, because as you referenced, a lot of continuity, 2017 01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:18.159 a lot of returning starters. One of my favorite conversations 2018 01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:22.439 in Dallas was with Lander Lander Barton. We were lucky 2019 01:35:22.520 --> 01:35:24.680 enough that Paul Kirk didn't know we had him out already, 2020 01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:26.359 so Paul brought him over and we had like another 2021 01:35:26.399 --> 01:35:29.520 twenty twenty five minutes, which was great, And unlike you, 2022 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:32.920 he wasn't ripped from us when we were interviewing him. 2023 01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:34.560 Mister, I have a handler now. 2024 01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:39.600 But anyway, if I forced you to give me a 2025 01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:42.399 question mark you have defensively, whether it's a position group 2026 01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:44.479 or an individual player, even though it feels like that 2027 01:35:44.560 --> 01:35:46.239 side of the ball is always fine, what would you 2028 01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:46.680 say to that? 2029 01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:46.920 Bill? 2030 01:35:47.319 --> 01:35:49.840 Oh, I don't think. I think there's a little bit 2031 01:35:49.880 --> 01:35:53.039 of a question with the edge rushing, because really the 2032 01:35:53.039 --> 01:35:55.640 only guy with any and it's not a super long 2033 01:35:55.720 --> 01:35:59.119 resume because of the injury is Logan Fano. The other 2034 01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:02.760 guys are really talented, but they don't have a lot 2035 01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:07.000 of experience or reps under their belt. Now, say what 2036 01:36:07.119 --> 01:36:09.560 you will about that, Utah tends to find and develop 2037 01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:13.720 defensive lineman very very well. But the linebackers, I mean, 2038 01:36:14.119 --> 01:36:20.119 from Lander to Levanni de Mooney to John o'hall to 2039 01:36:20.199 --> 01:36:23.760 a guy like Trey Reynolds, the linebackers are fine. Secondary 2040 01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:26.039 safeties corners. I think there's a little bit of a 2041 01:36:26.079 --> 01:36:29.520 question mark at the opposite corner from from Scooby Davis 2042 01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:31.479 because they've got a couple of transfers. That'll be a 2043 01:36:31.520 --> 01:36:33.239 little bit of a battle in fall camp. But for me, 2044 01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:38.239 I'm just curious to see, you know, who emerges as 2045 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:42.239 a real pass rush threat. And if Fano is back 2046 01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:44.760 one hundred percent, can he kind of reclaim that form 2047 01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:47.359 of a couple of years ago He kind of turned 2048 01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:48.479 it on a little bit at the end of the year, 2049 01:36:48.520 --> 01:36:50.439 kind of like Lander Barton did coming off that injury 2050 01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:53.279 in twenty three. But that would be the question at 2051 01:36:53.359 --> 01:36:55.760 least that I think, you know, you've got to see 2052 01:36:55.760 --> 01:36:59.039 some game action to know when that will happen, so 2053 01:36:59.079 --> 01:37:02.399 that that would be my by one question about the defense. 2054 01:37:02.079 --> 01:37:04.760 When it comes to the health issues over the past 2055 01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:08.479 few years. I think it was last season, maybe season 2056 01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:12.600 before last, but coach Witt was very front facing and 2057 01:37:12.760 --> 01:37:16.399 salient about the points he was making as far as 2058 01:37:16.560 --> 01:37:18.840 how they went about camp to try and curtail that. 2059 01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:21.880 I don't know that you can, honestly, in a sport 2060 01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:24.000 like this. I just think you have to ride the wave. 2061 01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:27.840 And every team at every school has these weird seasons 2062 01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:30.319 that they're pretty much derailed by injuries. But as far 2063 01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:34.439 as the approach of the team in camp before kickoff, 2064 01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:38.600 any information enlighten us as far as trying to keep 2065 01:37:38.600 --> 01:37:40.680 these guys healthy as long as you possibly can, even 2066 01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:42.199 though they're playing a violent game. 2067 01:37:42.920 --> 01:37:45.239 Yeah, like you said, Spence, you can. You can only 2068 01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:48.319 curtail it so much. Now fall camps, whether it's the 2069 01:37:48.399 --> 01:37:51.920 NFL or college are way different than they were ten 2070 01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:54.439 years ago, twenty thirty years that. You know, you don't 2071 01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:56.079 have two a day practices anymore. 2072 01:37:56.119 --> 01:37:56.479 You don't. 2073 01:37:56.760 --> 01:38:00.439 The NFL doesn't do them that way either. To make 2074 01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:03.880 the most of your time. Kyle has talked about using 2075 01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:07.119 kind of an NFL model for his training camps this year, 2076 01:38:07.199 --> 01:38:10.039 where you know, you have the first week of ramp 2077 01:38:10.119 --> 01:38:12.680 up and acclamation, which you're required to do by rule. 2078 01:38:13.159 --> 01:38:15.319 But he's taking a little bit of an NFL approach 2079 01:38:15.359 --> 01:38:18.039 where some days are shells, some days are full contact, 2080 01:38:18.119 --> 01:38:21.000 some days our pads and what they call thud, but 2081 01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:24.560 not full contact. So but you're right, I mean, you're 2082 01:38:24.560 --> 01:38:26.880 going to limit it as much as you can, because, 2083 01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:29.439 especially now with the college football season, if you're having 2084 01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:32.159 a good season, you're not playing twelve games, you're not 2085 01:38:32.199 --> 01:38:34.920 playing thirteen games. You might be playing fourteen, fifteen or 2086 01:38:34.960 --> 01:38:38.760 sixteen games, which is pretty darn close to an NFL season. Now, 2087 01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:41.079 the good news is you've got two by weeks or 2088 01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:45.560 in carry you'll have in that neighborhood. So but I 2089 01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:50.840 think the approach is now be very meticulous and very 2090 01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:55.399 intentional with the days that you have where you go hard, 2091 01:38:56.319 --> 01:39:00.960 but otherwise save these guys' bodies because the season is, 2092 01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:05.239 as you said, long and tough and physical and violent. 2093 01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:08.880 So I think you're seeing, you know, the old days 2094 01:39:08.880 --> 01:39:10.920 of going off into the desert and doing two and 2095 01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:14.159 three days and really pushing these guys that way. These 2096 01:39:14.199 --> 01:39:16.560 guys come in in such great shape. Now you don't 2097 01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:19.680 have to condition them anymore because they're already in conditioning, 2098 01:39:19.720 --> 01:39:22.880 in shape. You know, you're worried about the long term 2099 01:39:22.960 --> 01:39:25.239 now and not the physicality. But Utah is still going 2100 01:39:25.279 --> 01:39:27.760 to run a physical camp. So it's not they're not 2101 01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:30.000 going to shy completely away from it, but it's it's 2102 01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:32.920 certainly been dialed back from where it was probably even 2103 01:39:32.960 --> 01:39:33.640 five years ago. 2104 01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:37.039 Let me ask you about another coach, because Kyle Big 2105 01:39:37.039 --> 01:39:40.760 twelve Media Days was asked about you know, every time 2106 01:39:40.840 --> 01:39:43.800 you pull up a Utah football preview or you listen 2107 01:39:43.880 --> 01:39:46.479 to a podcast where somebody's talking you tough football, the 2108 01:39:46.479 --> 01:39:48.960 first thing they talked about is the old line, of course, 2109 01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:55.560 with Spencer Fano and Caleb Lomu potential well for Spencer, 2110 01:39:55.640 --> 01:39:58.119 according to Dan brugl Or, a top five prospect in 2111 01:39:58.159 --> 01:40:00.640 pro football, Caleb a first round and then a bunch 2112 01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:04.399 of experience around them, and Kyle dig twelve Media Day 2113 01:40:04.439 --> 01:40:06.840 said Jim Harden is the best offensive line coach in 2114 01:40:06.840 --> 01:40:09.840 the country. I don't know Jim well, I've interviewed him 2115 01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:13.359 once or twice, but obviously this man is a master 2116 01:40:13.680 --> 01:40:16.279 of his craft and probably should receive more attention than 2117 01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:21.479 he does. What sort of information do you have about 2118 01:40:21.560 --> 01:40:23.439 Jim as a person as a coach. 2119 01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:26.079 What makes him so good at what he does well. 2120 01:40:26.119 --> 01:40:29.439 He doesn't like a lot of attention, so he's not 2121 01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:31.640 one of these guys that loves to go out and 2122 01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:34.680 do interviews. We had a great when the Harding podcast 2123 01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:37.600 comes around. It's really good. He's got a great personality. 2124 01:40:38.319 --> 01:40:40.960 Here's what I know. He connects with his player Spence 2125 01:40:41.560 --> 01:40:45.279 and the offensive lineman love him. The guys that have 2126 01:40:45.359 --> 01:40:47.520 played for him going back now he's entering is this 2127 01:40:47.560 --> 01:40:50.399 is weird. But this is his twelfth season at Utah 2128 01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:55.000 and he came with Dave Christiansen when Christiensen came from 2129 01:40:55.079 --> 01:40:58.680 Wyoming and he stayed. And I think he's had some 2130 01:40:58.720 --> 01:41:01.960 other opportunities to go, but I think he likes working 2131 01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:04.039 in this program and he's got a great track record. 2132 01:41:04.119 --> 01:41:05.920 I think his secret sauce is one. He was a 2133 01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:08.840 very good offensive lineman himself. He was an All MAC 2134 01:41:08.920 --> 01:41:12.600 player at Toledo back in the day. But he's he's 2135 01:41:12.600 --> 01:41:15.840 a guy that really connects with his kids. And he's 2136 01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:18.039 also got a good assistant. He's got a good staff 2137 01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:20.439 with him. Isaac Asciana for a second time is back 2138 01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:21.640 on this offensive line. 2139 01:41:21.640 --> 01:41:22.399 Coaching staff. 2140 01:41:22.479 --> 01:41:25.319 So I think it's the fact that he knows that 2141 01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:28.760 position inside now because he played it. But I think 2142 01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:32.840 his ability to develop and connect with these kids really 2143 01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:35.520 has them dialed in. If you look at it, you know, 2144 01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:39.000 Utah has had some turnover, like all schools do, lots 2145 01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:41.560 of positions over the last couple of years with the 2146 01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:44.159 advent of the portal. The one place you really haven't 2147 01:41:44.199 --> 01:41:47.920 seen Utah have any turnover has been on the offensive line, 2148 01:41:48.319 --> 01:41:50.760 and they've got some really dear deep So there are 2149 01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:53.840 some guys that could potentially go elsewhere, but they've stayed. 2150 01:41:53.880 --> 01:41:55.000 And I think a lot of that has to do 2151 01:41:55.039 --> 01:41:57.199 with the relationship with Jim Harvin, and. 2152 01:41:57.600 --> 01:41:59.680 It is such a key to what we could see 2153 01:41:59.680 --> 01:42:00.279 this year. 2154 01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:02.319 And one of the other things Kyle said when he 2155 01:42:02.359 --> 01:42:06.840 sat down with Sean and I and he wasn't disparaging anybody, 2156 01:42:06.880 --> 01:42:09.720 but he asked him about Devon because of course everyone's 2157 01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:13.159 curious about the quarterback. And he said during his film study, 2158 01:42:13.399 --> 01:42:17.279 he basically noticed that Devin was making plays happened last 2159 01:42:17.359 --> 01:42:19.720 year by himself. I think he called them a one 2160 01:42:19.720 --> 01:42:23.279 man band with not a ton of playmakers around him. 2161 01:42:23.319 --> 01:42:26.119 Some decent running backs and wideouts and such, but an 2162 01:42:26.159 --> 01:42:29.840 offensive line that was not on par with what Utah has, 2163 01:42:29.960 --> 01:42:32.319 and there aren't many lines in the country that are 2164 01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:34.920 on par with what Utah has. How do you think 2165 01:42:35.039 --> 01:42:38.560 that dynamic can potentially unlock Devin as he is taking 2166 01:42:38.600 --> 01:42:42.000 an undeniable step up in competition week in and week out. 2167 01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:45.880 Well, I think his athleticism translates. But to that point, 2168 01:42:46.399 --> 01:42:48.880 he was kind of a one man band last year. 2169 01:42:48.920 --> 01:42:51.680 He didn't have great offensive line play. He made a 2170 01:42:51.720 --> 01:42:54.399 lot of plays on his own with his legs and 2171 01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:57.720 his arms, you know, outside of what they call, you know, 2172 01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:00.600 the pocket and outside of the out of the rhythm 2173 01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:02.840 of the play. I don't think he's going to have 2174 01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:05.279 to do that as much this year. I think because 2175 01:43:05.319 --> 01:43:07.439 of that offensive line and because of some of the 2176 01:43:07.479 --> 01:43:09.479 stuff that he's got around him, that will be better 2177 01:43:09.520 --> 01:43:12.760 than what he had at New Mexico. And factor in, 2178 01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:15.800 it's his second year in this offense, and he's with 2179 01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:19.359 his coordinator again, and he's got a running back that 2180 01:43:19.399 --> 01:43:21.840 he's familiar with and a wide receiver in Ryan Davis 2181 01:43:21.880 --> 01:43:24.640 he's familiar with. I think that's going to help him 2182 01:43:24.680 --> 01:43:26.640 a great deal. Spence, I don't think he's going to 2183 01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:30.279 feel like he has to be Superman on every play, 2184 01:43:30.520 --> 01:43:32.720 and you know, in fact, I think you all. I 2185 01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:36.119 asked Jason Beck this when one of our conversations this offseason, 2186 01:43:36.600 --> 01:43:39.199 I said, do you have to kind of coach that 2187 01:43:39.359 --> 01:43:42.960 mentality out of Devon? He's like no, because he's a 2188 01:43:43.039 --> 01:43:46.840 super high IQ guy. Devin has got a really good 2189 01:43:46.920 --> 01:43:49.359 read on what the situation and what the room is. 2190 01:43:49.560 --> 01:43:51.840 He did it a year ago. He also made plays 2191 01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:54.640 with his teammates, but he knows what he has and 2192 01:43:54.680 --> 01:43:57.199 what he doesn't have. And that's one of the things 2193 01:43:57.199 --> 01:44:01.239 they like a lot about Devin Dampier is his malleability 2194 01:44:01.279 --> 01:44:04.720 and his ability to adjust to his kind of surrounding environment. 2195 01:44:05.159 --> 01:44:07.039 And I think the stuff that's going to surround him, 2196 01:44:07.119 --> 01:44:09.039 especially in front of him this year, is going to 2197 01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:10.239 be really really. 2198 01:44:10.119 --> 01:44:13.119 Good, interesting dynamic. Let me follow up because I'm always 2199 01:44:13.199 --> 01:44:17.319 fascinated with this. It's the conversation we had about Cameron, like, 2200 01:44:17.720 --> 01:44:20.000 is there any way coach lud can teach him to 2201 01:44:20.079 --> 01:44:23.359 get down? You don't need to run into that gatorade cooler, Palell, 2202 01:44:23.439 --> 01:44:26.680 we need you under center. And I felt like when 2203 01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:29.560 Taysom Hill was by 's QB prior to every season 2204 01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:32.840 we'd have the same conversation like he he's so electric, 2205 01:44:32.920 --> 01:44:36.399 he's so dynamic, but it's so dangerous and he's so important. 2206 01:44:36.760 --> 01:44:39.560 So when it comes to that line with Devin, I'm 2207 01:44:39.560 --> 01:44:42.079 sure you fans with our PTSD, every time he breaks 2208 01:44:42.119 --> 01:44:44.039 the pocket and takes a hit, he's going to be like, dude, 2209 01:44:44.039 --> 01:44:46.680 get down, we need Like how do you balance that 2210 01:44:46.720 --> 01:44:49.119 bill like letting a player be who he is but 2211 01:44:49.199 --> 01:44:52.119 also ingrain in him. You are too important to take 2212 01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:53.600 crazy risks every play. 2213 01:44:54.560 --> 01:44:58.000 It's funny. I asked Jason Beck about that too. He's 2214 01:44:58.079 --> 01:45:01.920 not as big as Cam Rising was. He's about six 2215 01:45:02.159 --> 01:45:06.039 one two oh five two ten. Cam was six two 2216 01:45:06.600 --> 01:45:09.920 two twenty five. And you mentioned Taysom Hill. Taysom's a 2217 01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:12.159 big dude. Heck, he played tight end for a while 2218 01:45:12.199 --> 01:45:15.640 as well as court. Devn's not that big, And Jason said, 2219 01:45:15.640 --> 01:45:18.199 the one thing Devin is really smart about doing is 2220 01:45:18.239 --> 01:45:20.000 getting at a bounds. If you watch a lot of 2221 01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:22.720 the plays that he made in the spring, but also 2222 01:45:22.840 --> 01:45:26.159 last year at New Mexico, he'd pick up seven, eight, nine, 2223 01:45:26.279 --> 01:45:28.880 ten yards and then he'd popped himself out of bounds. 2224 01:45:29.479 --> 01:45:32.680 You know, he knew what he had and then he 2225 01:45:32.720 --> 01:45:35.399 got down or he got out of bounds. So his 2226 01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:39.079 mentality is not quite the same as a Taysom or 2227 01:45:39.159 --> 01:45:41.880 even a Cam who had that mentality of I'm going 2228 01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:44.279 to take that safety or take that line back or on. 2229 01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:47.239 So I you know, you're not going to ever get 2230 01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:50.600 that running ability because that's part of his secret sauce. 2231 01:45:50.600 --> 01:45:53.199 That's one of his superpowers is running the football, but 2232 01:45:53.439 --> 01:45:56.239 he runs it in a different way. Cam Rising was 2233 01:45:56.279 --> 01:46:00.039 a quarterback running the football. Taysom Hill was, gosh, a 2234 01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:04.439 gigantic athlete running the football. You know, Devin Dan appears 2235 01:46:04.439 --> 01:46:08.119 a smaller guy, and I think he's got the instinct 2236 01:46:08.199 --> 01:46:11.600 to know that, you know, seven yards is a great play. 2237 01:46:11.680 --> 01:46:13.319 Let's get out of bounds or get data. Live to 2238 01:46:13.319 --> 01:46:14.000 play another day. 2239 01:46:14.720 --> 01:46:18.680 We had Chase Hanson in studio this week for about 2240 01:46:18.720 --> 01:46:19.680 forty five minutes. 2241 01:46:19.800 --> 01:46:20.680 It was great. 2242 01:46:21.079 --> 01:46:25.439 He is a very thoughtful, intelligent, nuanced young man who 2243 01:46:25.439 --> 01:46:28.640 has a bunch of different interests outside of football now 2244 01:46:28.640 --> 01:46:32.279 that he's retired that he's kind of pursuing. And I 2245 01:46:32.279 --> 01:46:35.520 asked him about the anatomy of a position switch. Chase 2246 01:46:35.560 --> 01:46:39.159 was an incredible quarterback in high school. Was pretty blunt 2247 01:46:39.239 --> 01:46:41.880 about his desire to play the position and stubborn in 2248 01:46:41.920 --> 01:46:46.640 a way, and ultimately conversations with coach Witt and coach Scally, 2249 01:46:47.039 --> 01:46:49.239 and also Chase's desire to get on the field because 2250 01:46:49.239 --> 01:46:51.399 he was behind a couple of different quarterbacks led him 2251 01:46:51.399 --> 01:46:54.640 to becoming an All Conference linebacker. And I don't have 2252 01:46:54.960 --> 01:47:00.119 built data that puts Utah's decision making process next to 2253 01:47:00.199 --> 01:47:05.439 other coaching staffs. Like to compare Utah coach with Morgan 2254 01:47:05.640 --> 01:47:09.840 that staff and their ability to see athletes and then 2255 01:47:09.920 --> 01:47:13.479 identify different positions for them to play. It feels like 2256 01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:16.560 they're elite at it. I don't have data to measure 2257 01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:19.239 them against other programs. But when it comes to that 2258 01:47:19.399 --> 01:47:22.560 sort of dynamic, and you know Nate Orchard wide receiver 2259 01:47:22.640 --> 01:47:25.479 Highland High School, elite past past Rusher, the Krueger's, we 2260 01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:26.279 could keep going. 2261 01:47:27.479 --> 01:47:28.680 What goes into that? 2262 01:47:28.720 --> 01:47:30.720 And why do you think Utahs staff seems to be 2263 01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:32.039 so elite at that dynamic? 2264 01:47:33.079 --> 01:47:33.800 That's a good question. 2265 01:47:33.880 --> 01:47:38.520 I've asked Kyle that before and they have always been 2266 01:47:38.720 --> 01:47:41.039 really good. And it goes back to Kyle. Kyle's a 2267 01:47:41.079 --> 01:47:44.640 common theme here, but guys like Scally and Shaw and 2268 01:47:44.720 --> 01:47:47.920 others when they recruit these guys, they go out looking 2269 01:47:48.479 --> 01:47:52.279 a lot of times at athletes and what you are, 2270 01:47:53.239 --> 01:47:56.680 and once they like your athleticism, you know, like Devin 2271 01:47:56.760 --> 01:47:59.199 Lloyd was a perfect example. Devin Lloyd was a wide 2272 01:47:59.279 --> 01:48:02.800 receiver and a safety in a punter, but they saw that, 2273 01:48:03.079 --> 01:48:06.720 you know what, They're very good at projecting and seeing 2274 01:48:06.760 --> 01:48:10.000 potential growth, and they just liked him and they said, 2275 01:48:10.039 --> 01:48:12.560 we'll figure out who you are when we get you here. 2276 01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:14.760 And then when they get you here, you know, they 2277 01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:17.239 put you in with everybody else. Now. You know, we 2278 01:48:17.319 --> 01:48:21.439 always joke that if you're an elite athlete and there's 2279 01:48:21.479 --> 01:48:25.359 any question whatsoever, Kyle's going to move you to the 2280 01:48:25.399 --> 01:48:28.279 defensive side of the football. And that's been the case, 2281 01:48:28.319 --> 01:48:31.319 but then in recent years we've seen him kind of 2282 01:48:31.319 --> 01:48:33.199 go the other way with that. Sioni Vaki was one 2283 01:48:33.239 --> 01:48:34.720 of those guys. Now some of that was out of 2284 01:48:34.720 --> 01:48:37.640 necessity a few years ago, but he was just too 2285 01:48:37.680 --> 01:48:40.960 good an athlete not to use him everywhere. And I 2286 01:48:41.039 --> 01:48:44.600 think that's why they're talking about guys like Smith, Snowden 2287 01:48:45.039 --> 01:48:48.199 and Lander Barton playing some roles on offense this year. 2288 01:48:48.239 --> 01:48:50.239 I mean, Kyle said that himself done ad been called 2289 01:48:50.319 --> 01:48:52.560 Media Day I don't know how big a role that 2290 01:48:52.640 --> 01:48:56.159 will be, but I think when you have elite athleticism, 2291 01:48:56.800 --> 01:49:00.000 you want to go out and you utilize those guys. 2292 01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:01.960 That also helps you back when you go back on 2293 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:04.720 the recruiting trail, because you know when you're when you're 2294 01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:07.159 recruiting guys, all these guys think that they can be 2295 01:49:07.199 --> 01:49:09.840 two way players or they want to play this spot 2296 01:49:09.880 --> 01:49:12.199 in maybe this spot. Well, if you have a little 2297 01:49:12.199 --> 01:49:14.199 bit of proof, Hey, we did this with Ceony Vaki, 2298 01:49:14.239 --> 01:49:16.119 he's now in the NFL. We did this with Smith's 2299 01:49:16.119 --> 01:49:20.239 note in lander Barton that then it's easier to maybe 2300 01:49:20.279 --> 01:49:22.079 sell a kate on coming and then once you get 2301 01:49:22.159 --> 01:49:25.560 them here, they can realize whether they fit both ways 2302 01:49:25.640 --> 01:49:28.560 or one way or not. But back to the very 2303 01:49:28.800 --> 01:49:32.079 very beginning of it, it's just that ability and having 2304 01:49:32.119 --> 01:49:34.880 the track record of doing it. Remember Paul Krueger. Paul 2305 01:49:34.960 --> 01:49:38.199 Krueger came here, and you know, I think Paul might 2306 01:49:38.199 --> 01:49:40.520 have been a quarterback in high school, and then I 2307 01:49:40.560 --> 01:49:42.560 think he was a tight end and then I think 2308 01:49:42.600 --> 01:49:44.640 they moved into defensive end and he had like an 2309 01:49:44.640 --> 01:49:48.600 eight or nine year NFL career. So it's it's it's 2310 01:49:48.680 --> 01:49:52.159 just one of those things. You know, very successful coaches, 2311 01:49:52.239 --> 01:49:54.960 they all have something that they do very very well, 2312 01:49:55.640 --> 01:50:00.439 and I think developing talent but also identifying athletics and 2313 01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:03.319 talent has been one of the great secret sauces for 2314 01:50:03.680 --> 01:50:04.640 Kyle and his staff. 2315 01:50:04.840 --> 01:50:06.920 All Right, else, before I say you loose, back to 2316 01:50:06.960 --> 01:50:10.600 the quarterbacks real quick. How's the room shaping up behind Devin? 2317 01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:13.199 Is it Isaac's job? I've heard a lot of people 2318 01:50:13.199 --> 01:50:14.920 talk about the Bird Fickland. 2319 01:50:14.520 --> 01:50:15.239 Kid quite a bit. 2320 01:50:16.119 --> 01:50:18.680 We all want Devin to stay healthy, but we all 2321 01:50:19.119 --> 01:50:22.840 again ptsd about the starting quarterback not being able to 2322 01:50:22.840 --> 01:50:25.119 stay on the field. So behind Devin, how's that room 2323 01:50:25.119 --> 01:50:26.439 shaping up? Before I set you loose? 2324 01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:29.600 Well, I think that you know, going into fall camp, 2325 01:50:30.039 --> 01:50:32.000 I think Kyle said even coming out of spring, Bird 2326 01:50:32.039 --> 01:50:34.880 Ficklin had a really good spring. But the one bit 2327 01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:39.960 of difference is it wasn't great time. Obviously, Isaac struggled 2328 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:42.159 last year, but he was a true freshman and was 2329 01:50:42.159 --> 01:50:45.760 thrown into a really tough situation. But he started nine 2330 01:50:45.800 --> 01:50:47.960 games last year. I think it was nine games, maybe 2331 01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:52.039 it was eight games. But that so that give to 2332 01:50:52.119 --> 01:50:55.199 me in my mind, that gives him an advantage over 2333 01:50:55.279 --> 01:50:58.840 Bird Ficklin, who's an eighteen year old true freshman. Now 2334 01:50:59.319 --> 01:51:01.920 that being it's gonna be one of the interesting battles 2335 01:51:01.960 --> 01:51:04.359 to watch in fall camp because bird Fickland had a 2336 01:51:04.399 --> 01:51:07.800 really good spring. If he follows that really good spring 2337 01:51:07.920 --> 01:51:10.720 up with a good fall camp, it will be interesting 2338 01:51:10.760 --> 01:51:13.680 to see what they do. But I would say, even 2339 01:51:13.720 --> 01:51:16.319 while it's close, I think Isaac just based on the 2340 01:51:16.399 --> 01:51:20.359 experience and his age, you know, not that much older, 2341 01:51:20.399 --> 01:51:22.119 but still older by a year and a half in 2342 01:51:22.199 --> 01:51:24.439 Bird Fickland, that he's probably got a little bit of 2343 01:51:24.439 --> 01:51:26.000 an advantage. But I think it's going to be a 2344 01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:29.920 really interesting battle to watch, you know, because you know 2345 01:51:30.039 --> 01:51:32.880 Dan Piers are starting quarterback, but how do they divvy 2346 01:51:32.920 --> 01:51:35.039 those reps up and who has a good fall camp 2347 01:51:35.079 --> 01:51:38.720 behind Devin, Because as you said, and as Utah fans know, 2348 01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:42.520 it's hard. It's been hard in recent years to get 2349 01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:47.079 a quarterback to play twelve or thirteen games. So the 2350 01:51:47.119 --> 01:51:50.439 backup quarterback better be ready to go just in case. 2351 01:51:51.119 --> 01:51:53.399 Roles, you're the man, appreciate the time. On Wednesday, I 2352 01:51:53.399 --> 01:51:55.960 have a great rest of the week. Happy pioneer, Dave 2353 01:51:55.960 --> 01:51:56.840 Bud We'll chat soon. 2354 01:51:57.399 --> 01:51:58.399 Thanks man, talk to you soon. 2355 01:51:58.439 --> 01:51:59.920 All right, Bill Riley, Voice of the Youth. 2356 01:52:00.119 --> 01:52:02.119 Before we catch a break, we welcome in Ryan from 2357 01:52:02.159 --> 01:52:04.039 the Dish professionals. 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But again, Rache'll always be the little 2405 01:54:16.840 --> 01:54:18.600 MC that blew me away when I watched. 2406 01:54:18.319 --> 01:54:19.760 His spit back in the day. How are you, man? 2407 01:54:19.800 --> 01:54:20.399 Oh, I'm good. 2408 01:54:20.560 --> 01:54:22.359 It's so funny you say that. Not a lot of 2409 01:54:22.399 --> 01:54:23.720 people know that background. 2410 01:54:23.840 --> 01:54:25.079 No, I'm telling you because I have this. 2411 01:54:25.239 --> 01:54:27.439 I still have this running bit with my friends that 2412 01:54:27.520 --> 01:54:29.600 went to West to think they're thugs and gangsters. 2413 01:54:29.600 --> 01:54:30.239 I'm like, stop it. 2414 01:54:30.279 --> 01:54:33.439 You grew up in Federal Heights, Matt Harvey, calm down, Yeah, 2415 01:54:33.479 --> 01:54:36.279 you know. And so when I got the invite, like, 2416 01:54:36.319 --> 01:54:39.159 no o, our buddies from West actually rap, We're gonna 2417 01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:42.600 go listen, I was ready to bury you. I was 2418 01:54:42.680 --> 01:54:44.920 because you know, my East Coast kid, I love hip 2419 01:54:44.920 --> 01:54:46.439 hop like you. I'm like, there's no way this is 2420 01:54:46.479 --> 01:54:48.880 any good. And then you it was Brendan right was 2421 01:54:49.479 --> 01:54:53.159 Kla Kwame? Blown away and bummed that you. 2422 01:54:53.119 --> 01:54:55.520 Actually you guys actually stopped if I'm honest. 2423 01:54:55.920 --> 01:54:59.520 Yeah, I mean, look, I was a huge fan of 2424 01:54:59.560 --> 01:55:02.039 hip hop, student of hip hop. You love something so 2425 01:55:02.119 --> 01:55:04.079 much you want to do it eventually, and that's just 2426 01:55:04.159 --> 01:55:07.720 kind of natural. But you know, in retrospect, being this 2427 01:55:07.840 --> 01:55:10.560 forty four year old white guy, it's kind of cringe 2428 01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:11.439 to look back at it. 2429 01:55:11.560 --> 01:55:12.560 It wasn't you know? 2430 01:55:12.680 --> 01:55:13.439 You guys were good. 2431 01:55:13.640 --> 01:55:14.760 Yeah, well, I appreciate that. 2432 01:55:14.800 --> 01:55:16.720 Do you ever ever do you ever crack of mic 2433 01:55:16.760 --> 01:55:19.439 anymore at all? No, just to speak in front of people. 2434 01:55:19.560 --> 01:55:19.800 No. 2435 01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:21.319 I do my. 2436 01:55:21.239 --> 01:55:23.840 Bars in writing op eds. Now, That's where I get 2437 01:55:23.840 --> 01:55:24.439 my bars out. 2438 01:55:24.479 --> 01:55:26.439 Now, Okay, well, you're very good at this too, because 2439 01:55:26.439 --> 01:55:29.359 you have a very fascinating mind. You've joined the show 2440 01:55:29.359 --> 01:55:32.920 on multiple occasions. You have your father and studio, huge fan. 2441 01:55:33.159 --> 01:55:35.000 I love having Pops here, but we're not gonna let 2442 01:55:35.079 --> 01:55:36.520 him on the mic, you've told me. But it's great 2443 01:55:36.520 --> 01:55:40.159 to have him here. Yeah, So I'll let you kind 2444 01:55:40.159 --> 01:55:43.760 of unpack what you've been working on lately as far 2445 01:55:43.800 --> 01:55:46.159 as the Fox populism stuff, and we're gonna talk Trump 2446 01:55:46.319 --> 01:55:49.000 UFC and you're the guy for this, and you know 2447 01:55:49.079 --> 01:55:50.520 this is a sports talk radio show. 2448 01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:51.520 There are sports angles. 2449 01:55:51.560 --> 01:55:55.439 But I'm fascinated at the work that you've done because 2450 01:55:55.479 --> 01:55:57.840 I have these ideas in my mind about you know, 2451 01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:01.560 bias media for profit news, how it's adversely affecting our 2452 01:56:01.560 --> 01:56:04.800 society and how it co opts the minds of people 2453 01:56:04.840 --> 01:56:06.680 that some should know better and some just don't have 2454 01:56:06.720 --> 01:56:09.239 the inelect to handle it. But unpack kind of the 2455 01:56:09.239 --> 01:56:11.039 work that you've been doing over the past few years, 2456 01:56:11.079 --> 01:56:12.079 then we'll kind of get into it. 2457 01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:12.840 Yeah. 2458 01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:16.640 So my first book, Fox Populism, was really about the 2459 01:56:16.720 --> 01:56:18.800 moment in two thousand and eight and two thousand and 2460 01:56:18.880 --> 01:56:21.600 nine with the financial crash, the rise of Obama, and 2461 01:56:21.640 --> 01:56:24.640 in that media landscape, it was really cable news was 2462 01:56:24.640 --> 01:56:26.840 the center of it, right, it was driving the narratives. 2463 01:56:27.279 --> 01:56:28.920 But by the time we get to the Trump era, 2464 01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:31.720 we get to twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen, the media 2465 01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:35.720 landscape had shifted radically and people started cutting the cable 2466 01:56:35.760 --> 01:56:40.159 cord and going to alternative media in online video, namely YouTube, 2467 01:56:40.199 --> 01:56:42.600 which is kind of really you can look at YouTube 2468 01:56:42.600 --> 01:56:46.119 as the scaffolding of the Internet, video, audio, scaffolding of 2469 01:56:46.119 --> 01:56:46.520 the Internet. 2470 01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:49.359 It's everything, right, and that's. 2471 01:56:49.119 --> 01:56:52.520 When you really saw that old legacy media lose its 2472 01:56:52.560 --> 01:56:56.600 grip on where the culture was, where politics was. And 2473 01:56:56.640 --> 01:56:59.199 one thing that Trump did very wisely was reach out 2474 01:56:59.239 --> 01:57:01.439 to the alternative media space with Alex Jones. 2475 01:57:01.479 --> 01:57:04.199 He did an interview in December twenty fifteen. 2476 01:57:04.800 --> 01:57:07.720 Everyone mocked him because this guy's a conspiracy theorist, he 2477 01:57:07.720 --> 01:57:11.600 has no credibility. But they were not They were overestimating 2478 01:57:11.840 --> 01:57:14.000 the influence of the legacy media, and they were not 2479 01:57:14.119 --> 01:57:18.720 aware of the rising power of podcasting, of online video. 2480 01:57:19.159 --> 01:57:20.720 And Trump really tapped into that. 2481 01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:22.880 And now fast forward a decade, you know, to the 2482 01:57:22.880 --> 01:57:25.960 twenty twenty four election. He really wielded that sector with 2483 01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:30.000 the pot bro podcasting sphere to great effect, and he 2484 01:57:30.039 --> 01:57:33.520 won over you know, in this country, we're still polarized. 2485 01:57:34.039 --> 01:57:36.680 There's only we're like a forty five forty five country 2486 01:57:36.760 --> 01:57:39.239 Republican Democrat. So the name of the game, if you're 2487 01:57:39.239 --> 01:57:42.239 going to win, it's very small slice of independence and 2488 01:57:42.279 --> 01:57:43.880 people that are not into politics. 2489 01:57:44.319 --> 01:57:47.119 And that was young men. And he didn't. 2490 01:57:47.159 --> 01:57:49.880 I mean, the story of that election was not political 2491 01:57:49.920 --> 01:57:53.640 the traditional political news or even podcasts focus on politics. 2492 01:57:53.760 --> 01:57:54.159 It was a. 2493 01:57:54.319 --> 01:57:58.439 Political media the nilk moys, YouTube pranksters, twitch streamers, Aiden 2494 01:57:58.560 --> 01:58:05.000 rossc podcasts, the Undertaker's Part podcast ww and so it's ironic, 2495 01:58:05.760 --> 01:58:07.119 let me get some feedback here. 2496 01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:10.039 While we're getting feedback, should we switch mic? 2497 01:58:10.079 --> 01:58:13.239 So you think we're okay, Okay, we'll come switch the 2498 01:58:13.279 --> 01:58:15.680 mic out, but keep okay, So that's a little distracting. 2499 01:58:15.840 --> 01:58:17.960 Yeah, the irony here. 2500 01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:20.840 The interesting thing about twenty twenty four is that some 2501 01:58:20.880 --> 01:58:24.600 of the most potent messengers for Trump were a political media. 2502 01:58:24.720 --> 01:58:26.920 So like wrap your head around that, the political power 2503 01:58:26.960 --> 01:58:29.720 of a political media. And this brings us to sports. 2504 01:58:29.760 --> 01:58:32.960 You know, I'm interested in you know, media that is 2505 01:58:33.359 --> 01:58:35.760 attracts people that are not into politics. They're they're not 2506 01:58:35.960 --> 01:58:40.520 high you know, propensity voters, they're not all obsessed with politics. 2507 01:58:40.560 --> 01:58:40.760 Away. 2508 01:58:40.760 --> 01:58:44.319 A lot of lefties are hyper educated people are, but 2509 01:58:44.720 --> 01:58:46.840 there's a problem there, as you mentioned, where in that 2510 01:58:46.880 --> 01:58:49.239 way they have their guard down, right, and so people 2511 01:58:49.239 --> 01:58:52.119 can go on there and do puff piece conversations and 2512 01:58:52.159 --> 01:58:56.039 never get questioned the way a traditional journalist would challenge Trump. 2513 01:58:56.239 --> 01:58:58.079 He would just hang out with him and talk about, 2514 01:58:58.319 --> 01:59:00.720 you know, when he was a baseball player, you know, 2515 01:59:00.760 --> 01:59:03.920 and how Baron's gonna kill it in the dating scene 2516 01:59:03.920 --> 01:59:07.159 in New York City, you know. So there's benefits in 2517 01:59:07.199 --> 01:59:10.840 this long form format, informal kind of style, but there's 2518 01:59:10.960 --> 01:59:13.560 dangers to it as well when politicians start leveraging it 2519 01:59:13.600 --> 01:59:14.479 and manipulating it. 2520 01:59:14.760 --> 01:59:16.600 Porter, let's get you in here to switch out these 2521 01:59:16.640 --> 01:59:19.279 mics so we can avoid the feedback. Respec is our guest, 2522 01:59:19.399 --> 01:59:24.039 live in studio, local legend, Associate professor at the City 2523 01:59:24.039 --> 01:59:27.439 of New York, author of Fox Populism. We'll get into 2524 01:59:27.800 --> 01:59:31.720 because one of the things, in addition to the manisphere 2525 01:59:31.800 --> 01:59:34.800 as it's called, do you know Scott Galloway is Yeah. 2526 01:59:34.840 --> 01:59:37.439 So I listened to a lot of Scott stuff. I 2527 01:59:37.479 --> 01:59:39.399 listened to his Pivot pod, I listened to his prof 2528 01:59:39.479 --> 01:59:42.640 g pod, and he has been on this thing now 2529 01:59:42.720 --> 01:59:46.680 for about a decade. That the loneliness that young men 2530 01:59:46.800 --> 01:59:50.600 suffer has led them to become very vulnerable to again, 2531 01:59:50.640 --> 01:59:53.000 I'll use the term have their thoughts co opted by 2532 01:59:53.039 --> 01:59:56.399 bad actors, the andrew Tates of the world right, who 2533 01:59:56.479 --> 02:00:01.079 represent a a A A front facing type of masculinity 2534 02:00:01.159 --> 02:00:02.840 I think is very damaging, quite frankly. 2535 02:00:03.359 --> 02:00:05.880 But if you're a sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen. 2536 02:00:05.600 --> 02:00:08.520 Year old guy that you know you're skinny, you want 2537 02:00:08.520 --> 02:00:10.279 to gain weight, you don't have friends in high school, 2538 02:00:10.319 --> 02:00:12.479 the girls don't look at you. And you see this 2539 02:00:12.600 --> 02:00:15.760 six' four jack dude who's throwing one hundred dollars bills 2540 02:00:15.760 --> 02:00:18.000 all over his hotel room with five different women and 2541 02:00:18.199 --> 02:00:21.319 you're gonna be, Like, okay what's that all? About the 2542 02:00:21.479 --> 02:00:24.479 problem is that does lead to again bad actors DID 2543 02:00:24.520 --> 02:00:26.800 i think have horrible intentions that are just trying to 2544 02:00:26.840 --> 02:00:31.279 monetize the loneliness of. Men And galloway talks about this 2545 02:00:31.359 --> 02:00:35.760 all the. Time so how intentional was this approach From 2546 02:00:35.800 --> 02:00:40.039 trump to do The rogan, thing do The manisphere pod, 2547 02:00:40.159 --> 02:00:42.800 thing The Theo vonne, Thing and what would you say 2548 02:00:42.840 --> 02:00:44.920 about WHAT i perceived to be the tone deaf approach 2549 02:00:44.960 --> 02:00:46.960 to the left to not even acknowledge that it was a. 2550 02:00:47.000 --> 02:00:49.920 Thing they didn't even try to get on these, platforms 2551 02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:50.880 AND i think it really cost. 2552 02:00:50.960 --> 02:00:52.640 Them, yeah the loneliness. 2553 02:00:52.680 --> 02:00:55.520 THING i think there's This african proverb where it, says 2554 02:00:55.760 --> 02:00:57.960 if you don't incorporate the young men into the, tribe 2555 02:00:57.960 --> 02:00:59.439 they'll come back and burn the whole tribe. 2556 02:00:59.439 --> 02:01:01.039 Down. Right so if you. 2557 02:01:01.000 --> 02:01:03.439 Allow, them if you don't speak to, them and you 2558 02:01:03.439 --> 02:01:05.960 don't try to get them to kind of adopt what 2559 02:01:05.960 --> 02:01:10.399 we would see as healthy standards of masculinity social behavior 2560 02:01:10.399 --> 02:01:14.600 instead of asocial behavior or anti social, behavior someone else 2561 02:01:14.680 --> 02:01:16.239 is going to fill that. Vacuum someone else is going 2562 02:01:16.279 --> 02:01:17.920 to speak to them if you're not speaking to. Them 2563 02:01:18.279 --> 02:01:19.840 and SO i, think you, know the left had this 2564 02:01:19.880 --> 02:01:22.479 moment in the twenty tens with The Me too, movement 2565 02:01:22.560 --> 02:01:25.560 with The Woman's, march where there was a rightful acknowledgment 2566 02:01:25.760 --> 02:01:29.319 of you, know sexual predators And hollywood and politics and, 2567 02:01:29.359 --> 02:01:32.760 industry and they were right to focus on. That BUT 2568 02:01:32.920 --> 02:01:34.840 i think you can chew bubblegum and walk at the same. 2569 02:01:34.880 --> 02:01:37.640 Time you can focus on sexual, harassment you, know gender, 2570 02:01:37.680 --> 02:01:39.720 inequalities but you have. 2571 02:01:39.760 --> 02:01:41.079 To also still speak to young. 2572 02:01:41.119 --> 02:01:43.600 Men and the funny thing is is the person that 2573 02:01:43.680 --> 02:01:45.920 was speaking to young men Was Bernie. Sanders and guess 2574 02:01:45.960 --> 02:01:48.479 who Had Bernie sanders on his? Podcast Joe rogan and 2575 02:01:48.479 --> 02:01:50.239 guess who said he was A Bernie sanders. 2576 02:01:50.239 --> 02:01:52.319 Fan Joe, Rogan and what did he? 2577 02:01:52.359 --> 02:01:56.359 Do they bashed him severely right right, now they're, complaining 2578 02:01:56.600 --> 02:01:58.439 you know about or talking about the left needs the. 2579 02:01:58.399 --> 02:01:58.800 Are On Joe. 2580 02:01:58.880 --> 02:02:00.760 Rogan, well the left had there On Joe. Rogan it 2581 02:02:00.800 --> 02:02:01.039 Was Joe. 2582 02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:04.760 Rogan, yeah, right and you guys stigmatized, him bashed in 2583 02:02:04.880 --> 02:02:07.119 because he's got muscles and he likes, fighting and there's 2584 02:02:07.159 --> 02:02:10.119 some elements of his embodied identity that look like a 2585 02:02:10.159 --> 02:02:12.560 meathead or a, jock and then you demonize. 2586 02:02:12.560 --> 02:02:14.920 That you, know they Slurred Bernie sanders supporters As bernie. 2587 02:02:14.920 --> 02:02:17.359 BROS i, remember like that was the. Slur SO i, 2588 02:02:17.359 --> 02:02:20.000 MEAN i guess that's my. Problem it's, like you, know 2589 02:02:20.039 --> 02:02:23.760 you can critique element toxic, masculinity elements of, masculinity or 2590 02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:26.960 people Like Andrew, tate, right, sure, right but you have 2591 02:02:27.039 --> 02:02:29.359 to provide an. Alternative and that's what what's the NAME 2592 02:02:29.479 --> 02:02:30.399 nyu professor that. 2593 02:02:30.359 --> 02:02:32.800 You Like, galley that's what he's arguing. 2594 02:02:32.800 --> 02:02:36.439 For you have to be a, proactive assertive definition for. 2595 02:02:36.479 --> 02:02:39.199 Them you can't just say this is. Bad don't be Like, 2596 02:02:39.239 --> 02:02:40.920 trump don't be Like Andrew. Tate you have to give 2597 02:02:40.960 --> 02:02:45.039 them something and uh substitute for. 2598 02:02:45.079 --> 02:02:45.159 That. 2599 02:02:45.319 --> 02:02:47.239 Right, SO i mean that's the WAY i kind of 2600 02:02:47.279 --> 02:02:49.760 look at that the bro podcasting. SPHERE i think in 2601 02:02:49.840 --> 02:02:53.159 terms of the, strategy it was brilliant because they did the. 2602 02:02:53.199 --> 02:02:54.960 Math they, go who are the movable. 2603 02:02:55.039 --> 02:02:58.800 Voters they're not middle aged, People they're they're not these 2604 02:02:58.880 --> 02:03:01.199 voters in the. SUBURBS i, mean The Kamala harris campaign 2605 02:03:01.279 --> 02:03:04.399 had this fanciful idea they're going to Turn republicans Into, democrats, 2606 02:03:04.800 --> 02:03:06.680 right and they always go for, that, Fools Go Chuck 2607 02:03:06.680 --> 02:03:10.199 schumer for every you, know working class. Vote we lose In, 2608 02:03:10.560 --> 02:03:13.760 Philly we'll make up in the. Suburbs right With republicans failed, 2609 02:03:13.760 --> 02:03:18.600 completely got More republican, votes not less. Right and what 2610 02:03:18.640 --> 02:03:21.560 they could have focused on was these weak, partisans people 2611 02:03:21.600 --> 02:03:24.800 that are, independence people that are not really Into they 2612 02:03:24.840 --> 02:03:29.039 don't live in politics every, day and they tend to 2613 02:03:29.039 --> 02:03:31.560 not have college, degrees and they tend to like alternative, 2614 02:03:31.560 --> 02:03:35.000 media a political. Media and that's What trump's zeroed in 2615 02:03:35.079 --> 02:03:37.840 on completely like a. Laser they went on all these 2616 02:03:37.880 --> 02:03:42.640 a political media shows and, lifestyle, fitness, golfing, influencers you name, 2617 02:03:42.680 --> 02:03:44.800 it and one over that. 2618 02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:45.760 Demographic it was. 2619 02:03:45.800 --> 02:03:49.119 Insane the swing from twenty eighteen thirty two point. Swing 2620 02:03:49.199 --> 02:03:51.960 democrats used to have an advantage with young men and 2621 02:03:52.000 --> 02:03:52.920 they were comparable to young. 2622 02:03:52.960 --> 02:03:54.039 Women they were both progressive. 2623 02:03:54.119 --> 02:03:57.439 Constituents fast forward less than ten years, later he wins 2624 02:03:57.479 --> 02:04:01.800 them by nineteen, points like titanic. Shift, yeah, right and 2625 02:04:02.359 --> 02:04:04.800 how could you not see that media strategy was a 2626 02:04:04.920 --> 02:04:05.840 huge part of that. 2627 02:04:05.880 --> 02:04:09.960 Swing it was really fascinating to watch the momentum. SHIFT 2628 02:04:10.600 --> 02:04:13.079 i think When trump left The White house after his first, 2629 02:04:13.199 --> 02:04:16.800 term everybody Including republicans were, like all, right we made 2630 02:04:16.840 --> 02:04:20.239 it through, that and that's never happening. Again and then 2631 02:04:20.319 --> 02:04:22.880 WHAT i perceived to be again so many tone deaf 2632 02:04:22.960 --> 02:04:25.640 approaches from the, left and you know, what, MAN i 2633 02:04:25.680 --> 02:04:27.560 know this isn't going to be. POPULAR i just don't 2634 02:04:27.560 --> 02:04:31.800 think people like identity. Politics, well some people, do BUT 2635 02:04:31.920 --> 02:04:34.039 i think the majority of the country has spoken like 2636 02:04:34.720 --> 02:04:39.000 because you reference some of the criticisms that the left 2637 02:04:39.039 --> 02:04:43.399 would levy on toxic, masculinity and you articulated it perfectly 2638 02:04:43.439 --> 02:04:45.479 about some of the things that are valid and should 2639 02:04:45.560 --> 02:04:49.560 always be, spoken to speak truth to power and make 2640 02:04:49.600 --> 02:04:52.640 sure that certain people are no longer a part of our. 2641 02:04:52.680 --> 02:04:56.720 Society like there was a Culture hollywood elsewhere that. 2642 02:04:56.760 --> 02:04:58.560 Needed to be vetted and needed to be. 2643 02:04:58.600 --> 02:05:02.399 Removed but there was kind of like this over correction 2644 02:05:02.560 --> 02:05:04.840 from the left in response to the rise of The 2645 02:05:04.880 --> 02:05:09.960 Trump maga, party and then suddenly everything was about identity, 2646 02:05:10.000 --> 02:05:13.239 politics and everything was about skin, color and everything was about. 2647 02:05:13.319 --> 02:05:16.560 Misogyny and people like me that do this for a 2648 02:05:16.600 --> 02:05:18.720 living are approaching a microphone every. Day it's, LIKE i 2649 02:05:18.720 --> 02:05:21.119 HOPE i don't say the one wrong thing to piss 2650 02:05:21.119 --> 02:05:23.720 off the left to come call from my job people 2651 02:05:23.760 --> 02:05:26.159 don't want to live that. Way so it was like 2652 02:05:26.199 --> 02:05:29.840 this combination of an intelligent approach From trump and his 2653 02:05:29.920 --> 02:05:34.359 people to capitalize on this ecosystem and an extremely tone 2654 02:05:34.399 --> 02:05:37.119 deaf approach from the left that to me basically laid 2655 02:05:37.119 --> 02:05:39.039 out the red carpet to Put trump back in The White. 2656 02:05:39.079 --> 02:05:39.319 House. 2657 02:05:40.159 --> 02:05:43.159 YEAH i think that the issue with the left is 2658 02:05:43.199 --> 02:05:47.159 that they're anchored to the college educated and that's the 2659 02:05:47.159 --> 02:05:49.560 culture that their whole movement is built. Around at the 2660 02:05:49.600 --> 02:05:52.439 center of and hyper educated people that are like me 2661 02:05:52.560 --> 02:05:55.840 in the, media, journalists tech, people. Lawyers they obsess about 2662 02:05:55.920 --> 02:05:59.000 language because that's what they. Do they're language. Manipulators they're 2663 02:05:59.039 --> 02:06:01.119 always obsessed with languge and what they assume is that 2664 02:06:01.119 --> 02:06:02.920 everyone else is obsessed with, language and they put as 2665 02:06:02.960 --> 02:06:04.880 much stock in that as they, do and they don't. 2666 02:06:04.920 --> 02:06:08.199 Work can class people see things more, Contextual they give 2667 02:06:08.239 --> 02:06:12.560 people more good faith, interpretations, right they'd see it as, 2668 02:06:12.600 --> 02:06:15.279 like what are your? Intentions and so it really rubs 2669 02:06:15.279 --> 02:06:16.840 a lot of people the wrong, way including people of. 2670 02:06:16.880 --> 02:06:20.800 COLOR i Mean trump Won hispanic, men he won more black, men, 2671 02:06:21.039 --> 02:06:25.399 Right it's not just white guys that are alienated by 2672 02:06:25.439 --> 02:06:29.720 this hyper, educated politically correct, culture and it does the. 2673 02:06:29.760 --> 02:06:30.960 Opposite it's, like if you're. 2674 02:06:30.880 --> 02:06:34.159 About anti racism and you believe in that cause you, 2675 02:06:34.159 --> 02:06:37.680 know you can't come across as an elitist that condescends to, people. 2676 02:06:37.760 --> 02:06:39.279 Right, Yes it'd be. 2677 02:06:39.159 --> 02:06:41.359 One thing if the person telling me that is in 2678 02:06:41.359 --> 02:06:44.119 a labor movement and they're a union guy and they're, 2679 02:06:44.159 --> 02:06:46.439 saying you can't be racist to our brothers and, sisters 2680 02:06:46.439 --> 02:06:48.720 we need to unite so we can get better wages 2681 02:06:48.760 --> 02:06:50.960 and things like. That but when it's coming from hyper, 2682 02:06:51.079 --> 02:06:55.119 educated kind of egghead, people you've turned anti racism into 2683 02:06:55.159 --> 02:06:58.520 a badge of your. Elitism you've turned critiquing sexism as 2684 02:06:58.560 --> 02:07:01.840 something that comes across to a lot of people is intellectual. 2685 02:07:01.840 --> 02:07:05.199 Condescension AND i think that's a huge. PART i think 2686 02:07:05.239 --> 02:07:07.479 those issues, matter but it's like how you do. It 2687 02:07:07.520 --> 02:07:10.600 Like Jesse jackson was An African american politician The Rainbow, 2688 02:07:10.640 --> 02:07:13.640 coalition but that was a working class campaign when he, 2689 02:07:13.720 --> 02:07:15.760 ran and he talked about issues of race and, gender 2690 02:07:15.880 --> 02:07:18.319 but it didn't come across as. Elitist it came across as, 2691 02:07:18.359 --> 02:07:21.079 populous Right, So AND i think That democrats have learned 2692 02:07:21.119 --> 02:07:24.239 in the wake of yet Another trump, defeat is that 2693 02:07:24.319 --> 02:07:26.720 you can see them toning it, down and they're focusing 2694 02:07:26.760 --> 02:07:28.479 more on bread and butter issues that the issue of. 2695 02:07:28.520 --> 02:07:29.640 Affordability it's more. 2696 02:07:29.520 --> 02:07:33.720 Of economic populism message That bernie innovated in twenty. SIXTEEN 2697 02:07:33.760 --> 02:07:36.279 i think they've kind of learned their lesson on at 2698 02:07:36.359 --> 02:07:40.159 least thinking about that tone and obsessing about those divisions 2699 02:07:40.199 --> 02:07:42.520 and a particularly there's a way to talk about it 2700 02:07:41.960 --> 02:07:46.720 that doesn't reek of college campus culture one hundred. 2701 02:07:46.760 --> 02:07:49.399 Percent and, LOOK i am well aware that a lot 2702 02:07:49.399 --> 02:07:54.960 of these narratives have been pushed into mainstream society by 2703 02:07:55.159 --> 02:07:57.560 WHAT i perceive the right wing politics in a way 2704 02:07:57.560 --> 02:08:01.039 that is a little bit. Irresponsible anyone really believe that 2705 02:08:01.119 --> 02:08:03.079 men should be able to play against women in? Sport 2706 02:08:03.159 --> 02:08:05.880 like does anyone really believe that a man should be 2707 02:08:05.920 --> 02:08:07.399 able to get into A ufc. 2708 02:08:07.199 --> 02:08:10.039 Ring with a woman the same? Way no one really believes. 2709 02:08:10.039 --> 02:08:14.119 That but one or two instances of trans people playing 2710 02:08:14.199 --> 02:08:19.399 sports in women's ecosystem suddenly turns into this is a 2711 02:08:19.439 --> 02:08:21.720 pandemic that is coming for your kids at school when 2712 02:08:21.720 --> 02:08:25.479 you drop them, Off and it's Not any decent person knows. 2713 02:08:25.520 --> 02:08:28.000 That but when the left gives the right. 2714 02:08:27.920 --> 02:08:30.800 Any sort of bait or any small excuse to even 2715 02:08:30.840 --> 02:08:35.079 create one little narrative about one or two Instances Steve 2716 02:08:35.119 --> 02:08:37.800 bannon talks about this muddy the, waters confuse the, people 2717 02:08:37.840 --> 02:08:39.760 flood the, zone and then suddenly most people are, like 2718 02:08:39.800 --> 02:08:41.319 you know, What i'm JUST i just want to go. 2719 02:08:41.399 --> 02:08:44.840 HOME i don't care about this. Anymore SO i just 2720 02:08:44.920 --> 02:08:46.520 think that was a massive. 2721 02:08:46.560 --> 02:08:48.800 Misstep and, yes there are so many bad actors and 2722 02:08:48.840 --> 02:08:51.560 so many lies propagated and furthered by the, right BUT 2723 02:08:51.640 --> 02:08:54.319 i just feel like the left delivers them on a 2724 02:08:54.359 --> 02:08:58.399 plate because the issues that they lean into over and 2725 02:08:58.439 --> 02:09:00.079 over and over don't rest. 2726 02:09:00.199 --> 02:09:02.079 With enough people to get them. ELECTED i, mean is 2727 02:09:02.079 --> 02:09:02.520 that fair to? 2728 02:09:02.560 --> 02:09:05.920 Say the majority of this country are non college, educated working, class, 2729 02:09:06.199 --> 02:09:09.359 Right so you're not going to win in democracy when 2730 02:09:09.359 --> 02:09:12.039 you're only catering to a small segment of hyper. 2731 02:09:11.920 --> 02:09:13.279 Educated the middle class. 2732 02:09:13.279 --> 02:09:13.560 People. 2733 02:09:13.600 --> 02:09:16.439 PERIOD i don't know where they The, democrats how they 2734 02:09:16.439 --> 02:09:19.760 haven't got that. Memo but yet they just keep making 2735 02:09:19.760 --> 02:09:22.640 the same mistake over and over again on who their 2736 02:09:22.680 --> 02:09:27.039 media targets and pills, to who their political campaigns appealed. 2737 02:09:27.079 --> 02:09:30.279 To it's a what they mistake a narrow group for 2738 02:09:30.319 --> 02:09:32.960 a much larger, group and that's where they keep losing, 2739 02:09:33.239 --> 02:09:36.359 right you know you but it's also there's there's part 2740 02:09:36.399 --> 02:09:38.359 of it is. Corruption part of it is both parties 2741 02:09:38.399 --> 02:09:41.800 are bought and paid for by special interests and, corporations you. 2742 02:09:41.800 --> 02:09:46.439 Know you, Know Kamala harris had in the beginning of 2743 02:09:46.439 --> 02:09:49.199 her campaign a more of an economic populist message to 2744 02:09:49.239 --> 02:09:52.199 go after corporations for price, gouging and then someone chirped 2745 02:09:52.239 --> 02:09:54.800 in her ear and she backed away from. That and 2746 02:09:54.840 --> 02:09:56.720 it's like that's when she had her highest approval, rating 2747 02:09:56.760 --> 02:09:59.119 When Tim wolls was saying, that and they backed away from, 2748 02:09:59.199 --> 02:10:02.199 it and they started doing this millie mouth milk toast 2749 02:10:02.760 --> 02:10:04.319 no confrontation with corporate. 2750 02:10:04.359 --> 02:10:05.600 Power and then. 2751 02:10:05.479 --> 02:10:07.640 So in the lieu of, that young men, say who's 2752 02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:11.399 the anti war, Candidate who's the anti corporate power? Candidate 2753 02:10:11.439 --> 02:10:13.479 it seems like the right is they're the ones that 2754 02:10:13.560 --> 02:10:15.239 seem like they're going to do something to take on 2755 02:10:15.319 --> 02:10:16.279 the elite and the. 2756 02:10:16.319 --> 02:10:17.359 Powerful, yeah. 2757 02:10:17.439 --> 02:10:19.399 Right and so as long as the, donors i Mean 2758 02:10:19.560 --> 02:10:23.079 democrats keep getting that same donor, money you, know it's 2759 02:10:23.159 --> 02:10:26.199 hard for them to truly be, populous like in a sincere. 2760 02:10:26.279 --> 02:10:29.039 Way yeah, yeah, well well said you. 2761 02:10:29.079 --> 02:10:32.640 Know the other interesting angle that The trump administration took 2762 02:10:33.119 --> 02:10:36.600 is leaning into and this is similar to the manisphere 2763 02:10:36.600 --> 02:10:41.560 of podcast The BROPODS ufc. Football you, Know trump really 2764 02:10:41.600 --> 02:10:45.680 does use And Shane gellis Hosted The SP's it was. 2765 02:10:45.760 --> 02:10:49.399 Hilarious he doesn't know anything about, Football he doesn't know 2766 02:10:49.399 --> 02:10:52.159 anything about. Sports he doesn't know anything about, anything if 2767 02:10:52.159 --> 02:10:54.800 we want to get down to it outside of, media media, 2768 02:10:54.920 --> 02:10:59.000 manipulation and obviously a master at selling his, message whether 2769 02:10:59.000 --> 02:11:00.359 it's true or, not people into. 2770 02:11:00.439 --> 02:11:01.359 It so it is what it. 2771 02:11:01.439 --> 02:11:04.720 Is BUT i played in a golf tournament last week 2772 02:11:05.199 --> 02:11:07.840 and it was A utah alumni golf tournament and it 2773 02:11:07.920 --> 02:11:10.119 was for the fraternity house raised a bunch of money 2774 02:11:10.560 --> 02:11:13.760 and there were fraternity students flown in from all around 2775 02:11:13.800 --> 02:11:16.439 the country based off of their philanthropic. 2776 02:11:16.479 --> 02:11:17.560 Efforts they'd raised a bunch of. 2777 02:11:17.560 --> 02:11:20.399 Money so we HAD usc, kids we Had arizona, kids 2778 02:11:20.399 --> 02:11:25.520 we Had utah. Kids trump pats, everywhere college, Kids trump 2779 02:11:25.560 --> 02:11:28.439 pats everywhere you turn on A ufc, event you Know 2780 02:11:28.800 --> 02:11:31.680 trump is. There oftentimes he's talking about A ufc event 2781 02:11:31.760 --> 02:11:35.520 at The White. House and you, know football is a 2782 02:11:35.520 --> 02:11:38.960 little bit of a different cultural approach than basketball, Is 2783 02:11:38.960 --> 02:11:41.479 like THE nba is a very different kind of cultural 2784 02:11:41.520 --> 02:11:44.800 Approaches trump is now, claiming AND i think a lot 2785 02:11:44.800 --> 02:11:46.880 of this is muddy in the waters and distracting from 2786 02:11:46.880 --> 02:11:48.920 some things that are going on with him right now 2787 02:11:48.960 --> 02:11:50.760 that aren't a great look that will probably not talk 2788 02:11:50.760 --> 02:11:53.399 about on this. Show but he's talking about blocking The 2789 02:11:53.560 --> 02:11:56.880 washington football team stadium deal unless they go back to 2790 02:11:56.880 --> 02:11:59.439 the Name. Redskins they're not going to do, that and 2791 02:11:59.479 --> 02:12:00.880 nor does he give a rip about. 2792 02:12:00.880 --> 02:12:02.399 It we know what he's doing if you pay. 2793 02:12:02.399 --> 02:12:05.279 Attention but what do you make about that angle that he's, 2794 02:12:05.319 --> 02:12:09.000 taken the sports, angle THE ufc, bros the football people 2795 02:12:09.039 --> 02:12:11.119 that clearly have his back as far as voting. 2796 02:12:11.119 --> 02:12:14.600 GOES i, mean WHEN i knew The democrats were. Cooked 2797 02:12:14.640 --> 02:12:16.319 the MOMENT i knew they were, cooked it was In 2798 02:12:16.359 --> 02:12:19.119 september of twenty twenty. FOUR i was skating In San 2799 02:12:19.159 --> 02:12:22.119 diego with my two, boys like we, do AND i 2800 02:12:22.159 --> 02:12:25.159 saw This latino punk style teenager with a metal spike 2801 02:12:25.239 --> 02:12:27.800 belt with The maga hat bouncing as he was on a. 2802 02:12:27.840 --> 02:12:29.479 Skateboard and he's, like if. 2803 02:12:29.319 --> 02:12:33.119 They got this, kid you, know The democrats are. Cooked 2804 02:12:33.279 --> 02:12:34.840 so it's a similar, thing all these young men with 2805 02:12:34.920 --> 02:12:35.479 mag hats. 2806 02:12:35.520 --> 02:12:36.279 On you. 2807 02:12:36.319 --> 02:12:39.359 KNOW i Think trump is very. Much he has a 2808 02:12:39.359 --> 02:12:42.399 skill Of Pet, barnum, right the old circus. Promoter he 2809 02:12:42.399 --> 02:12:45.000 doesn't get you to change what you, think but he 2810 02:12:45.199 --> 02:12:49.479 dominates what everyone's talking, about, yes, right and that's its own, superpower. 2811 02:12:49.920 --> 02:12:52.439 Right and so you, know and there's moments in political 2812 02:12:52.479 --> 02:12:54.479 history where culture plays like a special. 2813 02:12:54.560 --> 02:12:54.800 Role. 2814 02:12:54.920 --> 02:12:57.359 Right so we came of age in The bush era 2815 02:12:57.720 --> 02:13:00.000 in country. Music it wasn't. Sports it was country music 2816 02:13:00.479 --> 02:13:03.479 that helped drive everyone to support that, invasion, Right Toby 2817 02:13:03.520 --> 02:13:04.600 keith will put a boot up your. 2818 02:13:04.640 --> 02:13:06.359 Ass you're, good. 2819 02:13:07.680 --> 02:13:11.079 You, Know BUT i really think since twenty, sixteen sports 2820 02:13:11.359 --> 02:13:14.359 has has been not, music but sports has been that 2821 02:13:14.399 --> 02:13:16.479 a political sector that's had so much political. 2822 02:13:16.520 --> 02:13:18.000 Power you. 2823 02:13:18.039 --> 02:13:22.359 Know, uh the Segregationist alabama Governor George, wallace he used 2824 02:13:22.359 --> 02:13:25.319 to plan his political rallies based on radio country music 2825 02:13:25.439 --> 02:13:28.760 radio station demographic, data and he knew that he could 2826 02:13:28.800 --> 02:13:33.640 turn this music fandom into a political. Constituency trump relies 2827 02:13:33.680 --> 02:13:36.600 that with THE, ufc he basically took something that was 2828 02:13:36.640 --> 02:13:41.039 a political that was you, know very much adored by 2829 02:13:41.600 --> 02:13:45.920 young men of all, ethnicities, right and he has masterfully 2830 02:13:46.840 --> 02:13:50.239 turned it into like a militant base of his political. 2831 02:13:50.359 --> 02:13:52.960 Army you, know having that relationship With Dana, white and 2832 02:13:52.640 --> 02:13:55.640 we can talk about talk about, that which neatly also 2833 02:13:55.640 --> 02:13:58.279 folds Into rogan and The rogan. Verse so it's Like Dana, 2834 02:13:58.319 --> 02:14:01.239 white these these three, connections you, Know AND i think 2835 02:14:01.239 --> 02:14:04.680 THAT ufc has, been at least in the last couple of, 2836 02:14:04.720 --> 02:14:07.119 years at the center of our culture in terms of 2837 02:14:07.159 --> 02:14:11.079 like the political zeitgeist and what's driving. It and all 2838 02:14:11.119 --> 02:14:13.840 the fighters are hardcore magas. Sport you, know they win their, 2839 02:14:13.880 --> 02:14:16.760 Championship John jones, wins it Gives trump the. BELT i, 2840 02:14:16.800 --> 02:14:18.439 mean all of them shaking his. Hand they have a 2841 02:14:18.479 --> 02:14:21.760 camera that zero's in On trump every time that there's 2842 02:14:21.800 --> 02:14:23.399 a decision or conclusion of a. 2843 02:14:23.439 --> 02:14:24.960 Fight i've never seen anything like. 2844 02:14:25.000 --> 02:14:28.520 IT i would ask any political presidential historian show me 2845 02:14:28.560 --> 02:14:31.439 another president that has used sports in a way this, 2846 02:14:31.560 --> 02:14:35.920 intimately in this systematically Than trump has used THE. UFC i, 2847 02:14:35.960 --> 02:14:38.960 mean how many events has he attended pre and post? 2848 02:14:39.359 --> 02:14:42.479 ELECTION i mean it's like every single, event it's. Both 2849 02:14:42.640 --> 02:14:44.479 and you, Know Bill burr made a joke about. This he's, 2850 02:14:44.479 --> 02:14:46.960 LIKE i came to watch the fight and THIS i find. 2851 02:14:47.000 --> 02:14:50.359 Out i'm in THE rnc. Convention and it's ironic that 2852 02:14:50.439 --> 02:14:54.000 in the twenty. Sixteen it Was republicans that were complaining 2853 02:14:54.000 --> 02:14:56.720 about sports and. Politics it Was, Kaepernick it was The 2854 02:14:56.760 --> 02:14:58.920 Black Lives matter and THE nba And lebron and all. 2855 02:14:58.960 --> 02:15:01.800 That you, know the versus the mirror image of that has, 2856 02:15:01.840 --> 02:15:04.960 happened and they've alienated a lot of Like democrats or 2857 02:15:05.000 --> 02:15:10.720 independents because it is so it's so explicitly used as 2858 02:15:10.720 --> 02:15:13.000 a political vehicle For trump at this point THE. 2859 02:15:13.159 --> 02:15:17.359 Ufc, yeah, yeah and to his, CREDIT i, mean masterfully 2860 02:15:17.399 --> 02:15:18.720 is the right way to put, it because that's how 2861 02:15:18.720 --> 02:15:21.199 he's gone about. It you reference earlier a lot of 2862 02:15:21.199 --> 02:15:24.119 people cutting the cord right and watching YouTube videos or 2863 02:15:24.119 --> 02:15:27.199 listening to. PODCASTS i don't know what the numbers, are 2864 02:15:27.920 --> 02:15:32.079 but obviously some interesting news recently As trump is Suing 2865 02:15:32.199 --> 02:15:37.520 Rupert murdoch just steeped in irony here as the guy 2866 02:15:37.560 --> 02:15:41.000 who wrote the book Now Rupert murdoch of Course Fox, 2867 02:15:41.079 --> 02:15:43.840 news but Also Wall Street. Journal this man has literally 2868 02:15:43.920 --> 02:15:46.920 been kicked out of other countries for his black, magic 2869 02:15:46.920 --> 02:15:50.560 which he is enacting on us with no. Repercussions Rupert 2870 02:15:50.600 --> 02:15:53.079 murdoch feels like a big whale For trump to take. On, now, 2871 02:15:53.079 --> 02:15:55.319 Obviously trump is the most powerful man in the world 2872 02:15:55.359 --> 02:15:57.960 being the president of the. Country BUT i thought about 2873 02:15:58.000 --> 02:15:59.880 you WHEN i saw that. Story what do you make 2874 02:16:00.000 --> 02:16:01.119 Of trump going After Rupert. 2875 02:16:01.159 --> 02:16:04.920 Murdoch it's so, ironic you, KNOW i, Mean Rupert murdoch 2876 02:16:05.960 --> 02:16:09.319 kickstarted this combination of political populism and tabloid journalism in his, 2877 02:16:09.399 --> 02:16:12.880 country And trump embodies That fox's brand was this, tabloid 2878 02:16:12.880 --> 02:16:17.279 populous partisan. Brand and Then trump really comes along and 2879 02:16:17.479 --> 02:16:19.479 is like no one's ever embodied that brand more Than. 2880 02:16:19.520 --> 02:16:23.239 Trump but, ironically you, Know murdoch didn't Want trump in 2881 02:16:23.279 --> 02:16:26.800 THE i mean the twenty Fifteen republican primary roder. Ails 2882 02:16:26.880 --> 02:16:29.439 THE ceo didn't Want. Trump they were so used to being. 2883 02:16:29.520 --> 02:16:33.280 Kingmakers fox dominated The republican. Party you, know there was 2884 02:16:33.280 --> 02:16:37.040 this there was some activists or political operativests that we 2885 02:16:37.159 --> 02:16:38.920 used to Think Fox news worked for, us and now 2886 02:16:39.000 --> 02:16:41.000 we realize that we worked For Fox, news like you 2887 02:16:41.079 --> 02:16:42.639 had to be a contributor or. 2888 02:16:42.680 --> 02:16:45.479 Whatever And trump had a feud with. 2889 02:16:45.559 --> 02:16:49.239 Them he boycotted one of The Fox news, debates which 2890 02:16:49.239 --> 02:16:52.159 would be unheard of for any other republic Average. Republican 2891 02:16:52.520 --> 02:16:57.040 but he wielded both his existing celebrity and this alternative media, 2892 02:16:57.120 --> 02:17:00.239 relationship and that was the first cracks in that old 2893 02:17:00.280 --> 02:17:02.559 media system that should have that should have been a 2894 02:17:02.600 --> 02:17:05.040 signal to a lot of people That murdoch and this 2895 02:17:05.040 --> 02:17:07.760 old legacy media don't have the power that they used. 2896 02:17:07.799 --> 02:17:11.680 To and that Was, breitbart that Was, bannon that Was Alex. 2897 02:17:11.760 --> 02:17:14.600 Jones uh and then you, know now you fast forward 2898 02:17:14.600 --> 02:17:18.399 today these old cable news. OUTLETS i, Mean fox is still, 2899 02:17:18.440 --> 02:17:19.520 Profitable fox. 2900 02:17:19.280 --> 02:17:19.799 Is still number. 2901 02:17:19.840 --> 02:17:23.000 ONE i would never Write fox's. Tombstone people do it 2902 02:17:23.040 --> 02:17:25.879 prematurely all the, time, never never Underestimate. 2903 02:17:25.959 --> 02:17:28.600 Fox but they are seeing. 2904 02:17:28.360 --> 02:17:31.879 The riding on the wall that cable cable's influence is, 2905 02:17:31.959 --> 02:17:34.719 declining even the Mighty Fox. News and the fact That 2906 02:17:34.760 --> 02:17:37.639 trump will go to war with the most, powerful powerful 2907 02:17:37.719 --> 02:17:40.959 conservative media baron in the world tells you something about 2908 02:17:41.079 --> 02:17:43.399 like but then, Again trump's just so confident in. Cocky, 2909 02:17:43.559 --> 02:17:46.479 sure who, knows but BUT i don't think he you, 2910 02:17:46.520 --> 02:17:48.959 know it's very. Interesting but and also to See Fox 2911 02:17:49.000 --> 02:17:51.600 news Back trump because they're so, scared because that is 2912 02:17:51.639 --> 02:17:54.959 so much linked to their, audience where The Wall Street 2913 02:17:55.000 --> 02:17:58.159 journal is more, highbrow more you, know there could be 2914 02:17:58.159 --> 02:18:00.760 Never trumpers at Like Wall Street. Journal and so The 2915 02:18:00.920 --> 02:18:04.040 murdoch empires really, complicated, Right you have The New York, 2916 02:18:04.079 --> 02:18:07.719 posts tabloid, paper you Have Fox, news you have prestige 2917 02:18:07.719 --> 02:18:10.000 brands like you, know The Wall Street. 2918 02:18:10.040 --> 02:18:11.159 Journal so who. 2919 02:18:11.239 --> 02:18:13.600 Knows it's Like King kong going Against, GUERRILLA i Mean 2920 02:18:13.840 --> 02:18:16.120 King kong going Against. Godzilla, yeah you, know it would 2921 02:18:16.120 --> 02:18:17.840 be really interesting to see how it plays. OUT i 2922 02:18:17.879 --> 02:18:20.040 think it's a hollow. Threat he's not gonna win the. 2923 02:18:20.120 --> 02:18:22.719 LAWSUIT i don't Think murdock will back down the WAY cbs. 2924 02:18:22.760 --> 02:18:23.280 Did, no it's. 2925 02:18:23.280 --> 02:18:26.200 Disgraceful he doesn't scare. Easily, no and he's gonna be dead. 2926 02:18:26.239 --> 02:18:28.239 Soon so you, know you'll go down. 2927 02:18:28.280 --> 02:18:28.559 Fighting. 2928 02:18:28.680 --> 02:18:29.079 YEAH i don't. 2929 02:18:29.120 --> 02:18:32.040 Know we'll, see but you, KNOW cbs back, DOWN abc back. 2930 02:18:32.040 --> 02:18:36.159 Down and he's scared those, companies you, know threatened to 2931 02:18:36.159 --> 02:18:40.000 not allow, mergers and he's using the government as a 2932 02:18:40.040 --> 02:18:43.959 cudgel to kind of dictate media trends and instill a 2933 02:18:44.040 --> 02:18:46.399 chilling effect so people, sensor self censor and. 2934 02:18:46.399 --> 02:18:47.959 Stuff so that's very worrying to. 2935 02:18:48.040 --> 02:18:51.840 Me politics, MAN i don't know who said it once 2936 02:18:51.920 --> 02:18:53.559 upon a, time BUT i always go back to, It 2937 02:18:54.200 --> 02:18:57.600 hollywood for ugly. People, yeah you, know politics, Man hollywood for. 2938 02:18:57.639 --> 02:19:00.399 Ugly Roger, STONE i Think Roger stone SAID i love. 2939 02:19:00.440 --> 02:19:04.120 It it's just perfect because it's all. Performative they're all, acting 2940 02:19:04.280 --> 02:19:06.319 and it's both sides of the. Aisle but one more 2941 02:19:06.319 --> 02:19:07.479 thing reason BEFORE i set you. 2942 02:19:07.559 --> 02:19:10.920 Loose you recently went over to THE uk to speak 2943 02:19:10.920 --> 02:19:12.440 to some people over there as a result of the 2944 02:19:12.440 --> 02:19:17.760 work that you've. Done how is our current political climate perceived? 2945 02:19:17.840 --> 02:19:21.520 Abroad what's your experience like when you go speak in other. 2946 02:19:21.520 --> 02:19:25.440 Countries SO i gave a talk that was sponsored by 2947 02:19:25.440 --> 02:19:28.879 THE Us embassy at The university Of Southern, denmark and 2948 02:19:28.959 --> 02:19:31.079 it was a crowd of All danish, people and it 2949 02:19:31.120 --> 02:19:35.040 was about, entertainment the entertainment quality Of american, politics exactly 2950 02:19:35.040 --> 02:19:35.840 what you just kind of. 2951 02:19:35.840 --> 02:19:37.120 Reference AND i. 2952 02:19:37.120 --> 02:19:39.440 Showed, them to the horror of a lot of the 2953 02:19:39.520 --> 02:19:42.319 diplomats that Are american in an audience Of danish, people 2954 02:19:42.319 --> 02:19:47.520 a clip Of Donald trump Clotheslining vince, McMahon, right and you, 2955 02:19:47.559 --> 02:19:49.840 know and you, Know trump was a full blown character 2956 02:19:49.879 --> 02:19:52.360 in THE wwe like he was part of that. Universe 2957 02:19:52.920 --> 02:19:56.120 and their eyes were just wide, open like The european 2958 02:19:56.200 --> 02:19:58.920 mind can't wrap their head around like a lot of 2959 02:19:58.959 --> 02:20:02.600 elements Of american. Politics and now that's different than THE 2960 02:20:02.680 --> 02:20:06.000 uk because Again murdoch had his imprint, there right with 2961 02:20:06.440 --> 02:20:08.440 the Tabloid The, sun The news of The. WORLD i, 2962 02:20:08.479 --> 02:20:11.040 mean he DOMINATES uk politics with the same kind of 2963 02:20:11.239 --> 02:20:16.200 sensational tabloids partisan. Style so for them it's not as 2964 02:20:16.319 --> 02:20:18.719 big of a culture shock as it is for kind 2965 02:20:18.760 --> 02:20:23.719 of Northern. Europeans but there's still they still shake their. 2966 02:20:23.760 --> 02:20:27.360 Head they still don't, understand you know how you know 2967 02:20:27.440 --> 02:20:31.079 we could have this reality show person kind of dominate 2968 02:20:31.120 --> 02:20:32.239 our politics for the last ten. 2969 02:20:32.319 --> 02:20:33.280 YEARS i mean the. 2970 02:20:33.239 --> 02:20:35.319 History books will showed this has been The trump. 2971 02:20:35.360 --> 02:20:41.120 Era this is has he has defined politics for the 2972 02:20:41.200 --> 02:20:43.799 last ten, years and so you, KNOW i think that 2973 02:20:43.840 --> 02:20:46.719 they don't quite. Understand, also they have a stronger public 2974 02:20:46.719 --> 02:20:51.639 broadcasting culture, there so that kind of conditions and limits. 2975 02:20:51.280 --> 02:20:53.479 How tabloid it can. Get, yeah where we've always just 2976 02:20:53.520 --> 02:20:54.000 been crass. 2977 02:20:54.040 --> 02:20:56.840 Commercial our media system has always been for, profit always been, 2978 02:20:56.840 --> 02:21:01.079 advertising so we don't have that backstop to maybe greater 2979 02:21:01.159 --> 02:21:04.360 standards would be less. Entertainmentized this especially happened With reagan 2980 02:21:04.600 --> 02:21:07.680 when he deregulated the communications And clinton followed. Through was 2981 02:21:07.680 --> 02:21:10.440 a bipartisan thing and it just became off the races 2982 02:21:10.600 --> 02:21:14.120 just about getting eyeballs and, listeners and it's all profit and, 2983 02:21:14.239 --> 02:21:17.360 ratings and there's no commitment to you, know like the 2984 02:21:17.399 --> 02:21:21.360 public interests or civic education because we don't have a 2985 02:21:21.399 --> 02:21:23.639 strong public broadcasting sector in THE. 2986 02:21:23.719 --> 02:21:25.520 Us where do you get your? NEWS i, mean you're. 2987 02:21:25.559 --> 02:21:29.479 One i've always respected your ability to call out THE 2988 02:21:29.479 --> 02:21:32.399 bs on both. Sides AND i just don't watch cable. 2989 02:21:32.440 --> 02:21:35.000 News it's not on in my. House and that's all of. 2990 02:21:35.000 --> 02:21:38.360 Them it's not Just fox AND, cnn IT'S. Msnbc i'll 2991 02:21:38.399 --> 02:21:41.319 mix in a LITTLE bbc at, Times but where. 2992 02:21:40.760 --> 02:21:41.879 Do you get your? News you? 2993 02:21:41.879 --> 02:21:44.159 Know SO i get like just for like the quick 2994 02:21:44.479 --> 02:21:46.639 like rundown of the news events of the. Day you, 2995 02:21:46.680 --> 02:21:49.000 Know i'll go TO, mpr AND i know conservatives look 2996 02:21:49.000 --> 02:21:51.719 AT mpr is super you, know leftists and, liberal but 2997 02:21:51.760 --> 02:21:55.479 it's generally it has its. Bias, obviously all news has a, bias, 2998 02:21:55.840 --> 02:21:59.079 Right no news is areology. Free but the show THAT 2999 02:21:59.159 --> 02:22:01.479 i really like Is Breaking, points which is a YouTube 3000 02:22:01.479 --> 02:22:04.799 show where you have a conservative And sagar And jetty 3001 02:22:05.159 --> 02:22:07.040 and then you have A bernie kind of left person 3002 02:22:07.079 --> 02:22:09.360 And Crystal. Ball and WHAT i like about that show 3003 02:22:09.479 --> 02:22:12.479 is they're both not cheerleaders for their partisan. Camps they 3004 02:22:12.600 --> 02:22:15.680 challenge the leftists will challenge The Democratic, party and then 3005 02:22:15.719 --> 02:22:18.479 the right wing host will challenge A Republican, party and 3006 02:22:18.600 --> 02:22:20.680 in the middle of that discussion you get something that 3007 02:22:20.719 --> 02:22:24.399 approximates a sincere analysis of what's true and what's, objective you, 3008 02:22:24.399 --> 02:22:26.600 know WHERE i think the cable model is just we'll 3009 02:22:26.680 --> 02:22:29.479 cheerlead for The, democrats we'll cheerlead for The Republican. Party 3010 02:22:30.000 --> 02:22:34.000 and SO i THINK i highly Recommend Breaking. Points there's 3011 02:22:34.040 --> 02:22:35.920 a couple of these shows That i'd like to think 3012 02:22:35.920 --> 02:22:39.200 of them as. Transpartisan they kind of have a left 3013 02:22:39.200 --> 02:22:42.399 populace and a right populace and neither one is just 3014 02:22:42.520 --> 02:22:45.639 cheerleading in like a hackneyed way that we've become accustomed 3015 02:22:45.639 --> 02:22:48.399 to in this partisan media landscape we've suffered through for 3016 02:22:48.399 --> 02:22:48.920 the last two. 3017 02:22:48.959 --> 02:22:51.319 Decades, yeah, man all, right where can people go get your? 3018 02:22:51.360 --> 02:22:56.200 Work so my latest piece was with The hill on THE, 3019 02:22:56.319 --> 02:22:59.159 ufc and it is what is? 3020 02:22:59.200 --> 02:22:59.319 It? 3021 02:23:00.079 --> 02:23:02.040 Trump THE ufc in The New Cultural war is the 3022 02:23:02.079 --> 02:23:02.600 title of that. 3023 02:23:02.639 --> 02:23:05.239 One if you want a more academic, ANALYSIS i have 3024 02:23:05.239 --> 02:23:08.959 a brand new piece Called More Than money And, Algorithms 3025 02:23:09.600 --> 02:23:13.079 the cultural roots Of trump's al media, strategy and that's In, Communication, 3026 02:23:13.120 --> 02:23:14.000 culture And, critique