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<v Speaker 1>In July twenty twenty one, over four hundred workers at

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<v Speaker 1>the DK and Car Parks factory on the outskirts of

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<v Speaker 1>Florence were told that they would lose their jobs. In response,

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<v Speaker 1>workers seize the factory, and in the past four years

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<v Speaker 1>their demands have developed beyond just stopping the redundancies, but

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<v Speaker 1>to restart in production under workers' control, building ecological goods,

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<v Speaker 1>and promoting green, community controlled energy. And as if that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't enough, since twenty twenty three, the factory has also

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<v Speaker 1>become the site of the annual Festival of Working Class Literature.

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<v Speaker 1>The third installment at this festival will take place this

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<v Speaker 1>year in April twenty twenty five. This is Working Class Literature. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>before we start, just a quick note to say that

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<v Speaker 1>supporters can also listen to both episodes about the Festival

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<v Speaker 1>of Working Class Literature now and also have access to

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<v Speaker 1>our two Patreon only series, Radical Reads and fireside Chat

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<v Speaker 1>link in the show notes. On the fourth of April

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<v Speaker 1>this year, a weekend of readings, discussions and performances will

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<v Speaker 1>be held in Florence at what will now be the

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<v Speaker 1>third annual Festival of Working Class Literature, and as in

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<v Speaker 1>previous years, the organizers are encouraging people from all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world to attend. However, while literary festivals are usually

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<v Speaker 1>rooted in spaces linked to publishing or academia, and often

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<v Speaker 1>bankrolled by businesses looking for nice pr to cover their

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<v Speaker 1>involvement in genocide or environmental destruction, this festival is very different.

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<v Speaker 1>Held at the former GK and Car Parts factory in

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<v Speaker 1>Campubisenzio on the outskirts of Florence, it emerged from the

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<v Speaker 1>struggle of over four hundred workers who were made redundant

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one. So to tell the story of

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<v Speaker 1>this festival, it's essential first to tell the story of

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<v Speaker 1>those workers and their struggle.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is started in July twenty twenty one, but there

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<v Speaker 2>is a kind of prep well. In some way we

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<v Speaker 2>must go back to something that happened not in Florence,

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<v Speaker 2>but in England.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Alberto Brunetti, an Italian working class offer and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the main organizers of the festival.

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<v Speaker 2>GKN is a British company and they are a corporational

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<v Speaker 2>working in the automotive field. But in two thoy eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>the relevant and productive because they were not really in

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<v Speaker 2>a bad economic situation corporation was acquired by another corporation, Merors.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a stranger player because Melros is not really

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<v Speaker 2>working in the automotive They are more kind of financial player.

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<v Speaker 2>What they do is to buy companies to relocate plants,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe in Eastern Europe after firing workers, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>sell again the factories, so they don't really produce. They

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<v Speaker 2>earn money more in finance and real estate. So it

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<v Speaker 2>seems as soon as after Merrors acquired the GKN they

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<v Speaker 2>started to close the plants in Europe in the UK

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<v Speaker 2>as well, because they close Berminga and also plants in

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<v Speaker 2>Germany and also Florence or better cant be business that

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<v Speaker 2>is quite close is the industrial area north to Florence.

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<v Speaker 1>This kind of company which produces nothing but merely invests

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<v Speaker 1>and speculates around commercial real estate, or acts as a

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<v Speaker 1>consultant helping companies quote unquote maximize efficiency is an increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>common feature in today's global capitalist economy.

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<v Speaker 3>His main slogan is to buy, to improve, and to resell.

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<v Speaker 3>So you have to understand that to improve means cutting

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<v Speaker 3>jobs closing plants in order to gain financial profits from

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<v Speaker 3>productive groups.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Dario Salvetti, a worker the former GKN factory

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<v Speaker 1>and spokesperson for the factory active Here, Dario explains how

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<v Speaker 1>the company tried to trick workers to keep them away

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<v Speaker 1>from the factory while they tried to close it down.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Friday, nine July twenty one. We received a

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<v Speaker 3>day off, a collective day off holiday. The excuse was

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<v Speaker 3>that the production of Featle was slowing down a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>so everybody could stay at Homb for one Friday. While

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<v Speaker 3>we were at Homb, we'll receive the mail in which

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<v Speaker 3>they told us that the plant was shut down suddenly

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<v Speaker 3>and totally, and that we were invited not to come

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<v Speaker 3>back to our job place nevermore. After one hour, we

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<v Speaker 3>decided to gather in front of the factory and retake

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<v Speaker 3>our presence inside the factory, and we started what we

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<v Speaker 3>call permanent assembly. We were forty under workers at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we have remained one hundred and twenty. It's now

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<v Speaker 3>more than three years that we go on with the

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<v Speaker 3>permanent assembly of the workers. So to sum up, the

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<v Speaker 3>history of kN is a history that contains a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of histories. You could say that it's the history of

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<v Speaker 3>the transformation of a productive factory into real estate investment.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the history of the loss of jobs inside the

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<v Speaker 3>automotive sector. Is the history of the impact of the

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<v Speaker 3>financial international funds and the finance civization of the economy

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<v Speaker 3>on the productive forces.

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<v Speaker 2>Now is also the history.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the longest workers resistance. For what we know, at

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<v Speaker 3>least in the history of the Italian working class movement.

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<v Speaker 1>The workforce at the GKN factory is almost entirely male,

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<v Speaker 1>the only woman being Titsiano Dibiazio, who worked with the

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<v Speaker 1>cleaning tractor. Here she explains how she joined the factory,

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<v Speaker 1>her role in disciplining union members, and how the company

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<v Speaker 1>retaliated when she refused to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>In da.

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<v Speaker 4>I started working at CHICKN in twenty twelve, working for

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<v Speaker 4>an external contractor, and I was the only woman working

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<v Speaker 4>in the workshop. I was responsible for coordinating the cleaning services,

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<v Speaker 4>so every morning I had to rush to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>the production areas were sided up, Otherwise the first shift

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<v Speaker 4>workers who started at six would complain about finding everything

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<v Speaker 4>in this array. When I had the interview to join

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<v Speaker 4>the factory, the managers from GKN and the executives of

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<v Speaker 4>the subcontracting company were present. My main responsibility was personnel

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<v Speaker 4>management and acting as an intermediary with a labor consultant

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<v Speaker 4>and the GKN management. There were three contracts, cleaning services,

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<v Speaker 4>goods handling, and quality control. The cleaning services were mostly

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<v Speaker 4>handled by women, while the other two were almost entirely

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<v Speaker 4>carried out by foreign workers, mostly Romanian and Albanian men.

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<v Speaker 4>They told me it wouldn't be easy dealing with them

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<v Speaker 4>because before me they had been a man and it

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<v Speaker 4>hadn't gone well at all. So they thought a woman

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<v Speaker 4>might be more suitable because women are supposed to be

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<v Speaker 4>treated with special respect. No one would say to a woman,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll wait for you outside, or i'll beat you up

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<v Speaker 4>when you go out. At that point in time, I

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<v Speaker 4>was also useful because they told me they needed to

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<v Speaker 4>get rid of a few problematic people. These were the

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<v Speaker 4>ones who had been unionized so for every minor infraction,

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<v Speaker 4>I had to report it and issue disciplinary actions so

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<v Speaker 4>that after the third one they could be fired. At first,

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<v Speaker 4>I played that role because I desperately needed paycheck, and

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<v Speaker 4>especially because they were sexist and misogynistic. They played a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of pranks on me. Over time, I got to

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<v Speaker 4>know my colleagues, and I started to see them not

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<v Speaker 4>just as men, but as workers, just like my husband,

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<v Speaker 4>just like my father, workers who if one of them

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<v Speaker 4>got fired, would be ready to go on strike all together,

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<v Speaker 4>and I had to be on the company's side. I

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't strike with them. I began to wonder why they

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<v Speaker 4>were so aggressive towards me. Was it because I was

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<v Speaker 4>a woman or because I was their boss. I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I just knew that I stopped reporting, and those who

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<v Speaker 4>once didn't even call me by my name, they only

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<v Speaker 4>called me that woman. Later on started calling me Titiana. Strangely, soul.

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<v Speaker 4>The factory managers started calling me that woman. So in life,

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<v Speaker 4>one way or another, there's always someone who calls you

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<v Speaker 4>that woman. Then, after a few years, there was a

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<v Speaker 4>change in the subcontracting agreement, meaning the services were given

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<v Speaker 4>to another company. Since I had become a problematic figure

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<v Speaker 4>for the client. They asked the new company to downsize

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<v Speaker 4>me and force me to resign. For a while, I

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<v Speaker 4>even cleaned the toilets, but I never give them the

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<v Speaker 4>satisfaction of resigning.

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<v Speaker 1>When the layoffs at GKN were announced, Titsiana was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the hundreds who lost their jobs. She immediately got

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the struggle and is an active member of

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<v Speaker 1>the factory collective to this day. Speaking at an event

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<v Speaker 1>at the GKN factory in twenty twenty four, Titsiana explains

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<v Speaker 1>how quote, gender discrimination is still strong in our society,

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<v Speaker 1>and so for me it was important to stay in

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<v Speaker 1>that place. I don't want to give up, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to continue to represent that world of different genders

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<v Speaker 1>in this exemplary struggle end quote. Another thing that should

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<v Speaker 1>be noted is that, unlike much of the coverage in

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<v Speaker 1>the mainstream media, the workers at the EXGKN factory do

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<v Speaker 1>not describe their continued presence inside the factory as an occupation. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they use the phrase permanent assembly.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not the question of what we do prefer,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's a question of what it is and what

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<v Speaker 3>it is not.

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<v Speaker 2>If you think about an.

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<v Speaker 3>Occupation of a factory, you could think about a factory

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<v Speaker 3>that is functioning very well and the workers decide to

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<v Speaker 3>block the factory. This is not our case. We were

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<v Speaker 3>working and the private capital decided to fly away from

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<v Speaker 3>our factory and to leave the factory as a black hole,

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<v Speaker 3>without any kind of direction, without any kind of productive mission.

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<v Speaker 2>You could say.

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<v Speaker 3>So in this case, the Italian work workers movement has

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<v Speaker 3>tried to define the most legal way in order to

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<v Speaker 3>put our bodies into the factory, in order to defend

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<v Speaker 3>the factory from what we call the localization, from taking

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<v Speaker 3>away the productive means. We are exercising our own right

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<v Speaker 3>to stay in a trade union assembly inside our workplace.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is an assembly that is not ending, is

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<v Speaker 3>a permanent assembly. So it started the nine July twenty

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<v Speaker 3>one and it's going on till the moment we think

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<v Speaker 3>that the job places are safe and we can start working.

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<v Speaker 1>And indeed, when the workers say that since the ninth

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<v Speaker 1>of July twenty twenty one, there's been a permanent workers assembly,

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<v Speaker 1>they really main permanent.

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<v Speaker 3>There is the trade union garrison. We are twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>hours a day, every day, Christmas Day, Easter Day, and yes,

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<v Speaker 3>since the nine July twenty one there's always been a

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<v Speaker 3>shift of people in the garrison from six morning to

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<v Speaker 3>two o'clock in the afternoon, from two o'clock in the

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<v Speaker 3>afternoon till ten pm, ten pm in the night till

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<v Speaker 3>six am in the morning. We are always there because,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, our permanent assembly and our permanent presence to

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<v Speaker 3>the garrison is at the moment the only guarantee that

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<v Speaker 3>the factory will not be dismantled.

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<v Speaker 1>The ability of the workers can be be sent. So

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<v Speaker 1>to react so quickly and effectively to the redundancies was

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<v Speaker 1>because they were extremely well organized, both as members of

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<v Speaker 1>the Film Metal Workers Union with a strong history of

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<v Speaker 1>activity inside the factory, but also in the wider community

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<v Speaker 1>outside of it as well.

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<v Speaker 3>There were a lot of links before the shutting down

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<v Speaker 3>of the factory.

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<v Speaker 2>Partly it was the result of the tradition of.

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<v Speaker 3>This area of Italy, very partisan, anti fascist and radical

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<v Speaker 3>democratic tradition that we have in this area. Partly it

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<v Speaker 3>was because we succeeded for at least twenty years to

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<v Speaker 3>defend the social rights of the workers in order that

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<v Speaker 3>our degree of exploitation inside the factory was less than

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<v Speaker 3>another factory. This has got an impact on your life

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<v Speaker 3>other things in your life. So we were a factory

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<v Speaker 3>full of active people, active in every direction, football trainers,

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<v Speaker 3>volunteers in medical assistance, social activists. So when the factory

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<v Speaker 3>was closed, there were a lot of people that they've

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<v Speaker 3>closed our factory, not just the people that were working

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<v Speaker 3>inside the factory. There was a whole movement that fought, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>they're closing the factory that is supporting us, the factory

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<v Speaker 3>that is always full of solidarity movements and with social links.

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<v Speaker 1>These links between the GKN workers and the wider working

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<v Speaker 1>class and social movements in the region also had a

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<v Speaker 1>profound effect on Alberto, who remembers one of those early mobilizations.

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<v Speaker 2>After receiving the dismissi a letter, workers and the union

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<v Speaker 2>declared the general strike. They only in two scanny with

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<v Speaker 2>speeches in Piazza Santa Croatia in Florence. I realized it

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<v Speaker 2>where they still had the reputation. In two scanny for

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<v Speaker 2>their engagements in politics, and I could earn Dariosti, that

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<v Speaker 2>is the spokeperson of the workers. He said something that

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<v Speaker 2>really struck me because it was more or less what

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<v Speaker 2>I was already trying to do with my work as

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<v Speaker 2>a writer. No, it was talking with the journalists and

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<v Speaker 2>he said, we are not here to tell you our stories.

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<v Speaker 2>We are here to our own story. And this drug

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<v Speaker 2>me a lot. You know. It was my kind of

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<v Speaker 2>manifesto for a working class. I was something that I

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<v Speaker 2>was said for years in my books, and now it

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<v Speaker 2>was real. It was not something the past. It was

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<v Speaker 2>something that was real and now, very often i've been

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<v Speaker 2>I was writing on the blue collars of the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Like my father that was a welder or not working

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<v Speaker 2>in the they had a sanctuary now and now we

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<v Speaker 2>had he had this conscious self conscious workers strongly engaged

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<v Speaker 2>in defending their wages, talking especially with the much alive language.

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<v Speaker 2>It was amazing. They were talking like winner, They were

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<v Speaker 2>strong and powerful. It was amazing. Absolutely, it was something

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't happen very often. I was really strang everybody

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<v Speaker 2>in during this summer. It was a kind of summer

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<v Speaker 2>or love of the working class after years in which

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<v Speaker 2>everybody said that the working class doesn't exist, all we're

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<v Speaker 2>all middle class, all these kind of rhetorics. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's true that the political imagicary of the working class

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<v Speaker 2>has been defeated many years ago, in the beginning of

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<v Speaker 2>the eighties in Italy, and since then there was not

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<v Speaker 2>a single not such a strike so strong. And it came,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was amazing because they were really greet these

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<v Speaker 2>jickn workers all together. Even the school boys in the

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<v Speaker 2>were singing their hunt them Ocupiamolaamola.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the song that we played at the start of

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, and it's frequently sung demonstrations of GKN workers

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<v Speaker 1>in Florence. The song is actually adapted from one song

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<v Speaker 1>by fans of the local football team Fiorentina, with the

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<v Speaker 1>lyrics change to be about the GKN workers struggle. The

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<v Speaker 1>mobilizations of GKN workers and their supporters brought huge numbers

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<v Speaker 1>onto the streets, and in doing so they brought the

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<v Speaker 1>working class back into the public imagination.

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<v Speaker 2>September twenty twenty one to bring forty thousand people to

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<v Speaker 2>march through the street of Florence. It was impressive, forty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand people for a worker mobilitation I realized that in

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<v Speaker 2>two months the GKN workers in Florence had reconstructed the

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<v Speaker 2>working class imaginery. There was the fitty four twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 2>I was sent to do the same with my books

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<v Speaker 2>like a writer, but in ten years I couldn't do

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<v Speaker 2>nothing really in relationship to them. Then in two months,

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<v Speaker 2>working in a collective way, they have done much more

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<v Speaker 2>than me, because I was working alone as a writer,

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<v Speaker 2>even if I'm a working class writer. But this loneliness

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<v Speaker 2>is the is the loneliness of the long distance writer,

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<v Speaker 2>while they power is the power of the qualitive action.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was really powerful for Alberto.

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<v Speaker 1>The strength of the GKN mobilization allowed for a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of working class imagination that he had been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>produce in his writing. This kind of imagination can be

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<v Speaker 1>seen and how the GKN workers have more recently gone

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<v Speaker 1>beyond demanding better redundancy pay or their old jobs back,

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<v Speaker 1>but rather the wholesale renewal of production under workers' control

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<v Speaker 1>to build ecologically sustainable goods like pedal powered cargo bikes

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<v Speaker 1>and solar panels, with a view to promoting democratic, community

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<v Speaker 1>controlled renewable energy.

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<v Speaker 3>As that here explains, you don't have to imagine that

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<v Speaker 3>one day people have gathered in a meeting and have

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<v Speaker 3>started to say, okay, let's reconverse the factory. It has

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<v Speaker 3>been a process, in a process in which we have

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<v Speaker 3>just answered the vacuum that the capital has created against us.

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<v Speaker 3>The layoffs were declared in July twenty one. The Italian

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<v Speaker 3>law gives seventy five days for the conversion of this

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<v Speaker 3>procedure of layoffs in a definitive decision. We had time

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<v Speaker 3>to stop these decisions since till the September twenty one.

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<v Speaker 3>We call it three big demonstration. The biggest one was

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<v Speaker 3>with forty thousand people, and the Florence Labor Court declared

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<v Speaker 3>illegal the procedure of layoffs against us. So the ownership

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<v Speaker 3>was condemned not to avoid the layoffs, but to repeat

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<v Speaker 3>the legal procedure of layoffs. But what happened is that

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<v Speaker 3>they had burned their fingers on the first procedure of layoffs,

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<v Speaker 3>so they didn't restart with the layoffs, and they decided

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<v Speaker 3>probably to leave us in a kind of limbo. So

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<v Speaker 3>in September twenty one we were not fired officially. We

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<v Speaker 3>were completely arid with all the full rights we also

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<v Speaker 3>received for a period of the wage, so we received

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<v Speaker 3>the wage without working, but we were left in a

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<v Speaker 3>vacuum because there was nothing to do. They didn't bring

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<v Speaker 3>back the production to us. So we were in a factory,

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<v Speaker 3>a factory that is also a quite new factory with

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of new machineries, and so in this vacuum,

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<v Speaker 3>we had to refink on how we could restart the

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<v Speaker 3>factory with another industry plan. Our first industry plan in

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<v Speaker 3>December twenty one was just a proposal general social proposal

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<v Speaker 3>in which we told the government, the Telian government, why

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<v Speaker 3>don't you nationalize this factory and other factories of the

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<v Speaker 3>automotive in order to create a big sector of production

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<v Speaker 3>of public means of transport, in order to do a

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<v Speaker 3>real transition from the private automatic sector to a real

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<v Speaker 3>ecological sector that is not shifting from gas car to

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<v Speaker 3>electric car, but it's shifting is shifting from private car

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<v Speaker 3>to public means of transports. Of course, they didn't give

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<v Speaker 3>us any answer, and it was not possible for us

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<v Speaker 3>to achieve this plan by our own because it was

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<v Speaker 3>a social general plan. In January twenty two, another ownership,

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<v Speaker 3>private ownership came a new owner both the factory, but

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<v Speaker 3>it was something very suspicious in our ideas, because this

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<v Speaker 3>owner was the former advisor of the GKN, of the

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<v Speaker 3>whole owner. This owner didn't say I'm firing you. This

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<v Speaker 3>new owner said, I don't have capitals, I don't have works,

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<v Speaker 3>but in some months I.

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<v Speaker 2>Will bring I will bring to you new investors.

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<v Speaker 3>So the trick could be to let us there in

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<v Speaker 3>the vacuum, waiting for GODO, waiting for something that we

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<v Speaker 3>don't know who, we don't know what to do. Weit

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<v Speaker 3>so in order that the struggle would expire for tiredness,

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't aspire. We called for other demonstration together with

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<v Speaker 3>the climate movement. There was another big demonstration in March

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two with thirty thousand people, and in October twenty

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<v Speaker 3>two it was quite clear and official to us that

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<v Speaker 3>there was no industry plan. There was no real intention,

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<v Speaker 3>probably of this new owner to reindustrialize the factory. So

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<v Speaker 3>this time we had to create our own plan, not

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<v Speaker 3>a general plan, but a plan of a standing alone factory,

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<v Speaker 3>so not a factory of the automatic center, but a

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<v Speaker 3>factory as a single productive cell. It was not easy,

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<v Speaker 3>but we decided to try to produce some finished goods

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<v Speaker 3>like the cargo bikes and the photogo type panels in

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<v Speaker 3>order to have some finished goods that we could bring

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<v Speaker 3>by our own to the market to convert the factory,

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<v Speaker 3>a former automatic factory to an ecological factory. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>because this plan was made by our own, this plan

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<v Speaker 3>should be also based on different social forces, not a

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<v Speaker 3>new big private owner, but our own co operative. So

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<v Speaker 3>we formed an embryo, an embryo of a workers cooperative.

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<v Speaker 3>We called it for a public popular shareholding campaign that

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<v Speaker 3>collected the bookings of one million, three hundred thousand euro

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<v Speaker 3>stocks option. But it was not enough because the ownership

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<v Speaker 3>of all the area, of all the factory that is

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<v Speaker 3>a very big factory, is.

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<v Speaker 2>Something too big to us.

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<v Speaker 3>We cannot rebuy the factory and we cannot and we

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to because it's not our idea that the

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<v Speaker 3>workers have to reby with their own.

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<v Speaker 2>Money the factory.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have presented a law has been passed from

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<v Speaker 3>the regional government in which the regional government could create

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<v Speaker 3>a public consortium to take the control of the area.

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<v Speaker 3>So this kind of example, this kind of model is

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<v Speaker 3>what we have called a social integrated factory. Social integrated

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<v Speaker 3>factory means the area is public the production is under

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<v Speaker 3>the control of the cooperative, so of the decision of

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<v Speaker 3>the workers assembly that is gathering into a cooperative. There

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<v Speaker 3>is a social kind of control from below, because we

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<v Speaker 3>have thousands and thousands of popular shareholders that are made

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<v Speaker 3>by associations, by other cooperatives, maybe by some public institutions

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<v Speaker 3>like universities. And also the production is a green production,

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<v Speaker 3>and the solar panel production is linked with the energetic

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<v Speaker 3>communities that we would.

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<v Speaker 2>Like to spread in the whole country.

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<v Speaker 3>And the cargo bike production could be linked to the

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<v Speaker 3>delivery cooperatives that are trying to transform the delivery, the

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<v Speaker 3>urban delivery, especially in something that is not so explotting

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<v Speaker 3>as it is nowadays in our cities. We have arrived

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<v Speaker 3>with this kind of model, not in one day, not

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<v Speaker 3>just deciding that this is the model. It was not

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<v Speaker 3>a theoretical discussion. It was answering the fact that to

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<v Speaker 3>let us get exhausted by the struggle, the private capitally

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<v Speaker 3>has just escaped living a black hole as a factory,

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<v Speaker 3>and using against the factor that in this society the

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<v Speaker 3>private capital is the only one that can decide life

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<v Speaker 3>and death of production.

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<v Speaker 1>This plan was something which emerged directly from the conditions

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<v Speaker 1>of the GK and workers struggle. It emerged from the

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<v Speaker 1>strength and resolve that so inspired Alberto during those first

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<v Speaker 1>protests in the summer of twenty twenty one. And it

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<v Speaker 1>would be shortly after those protests that these ideas of

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<v Speaker 1>struggle and literature and the working class imagination would crystallize

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<v Speaker 1>into something more concrete for him.

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<v Speaker 2>After these forty thousand people parade more or less a

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<v Speaker 2>month later, it was already fall twenty twenty one, I

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<v Speaker 2>got an invitation from the Working Class of Writers Festival

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<v Speaker 2>in Bristol. That was I first the first working class

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<v Speaker 2>a literal tool festive and in Europe I was invited.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a great opportunity for me because I was

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<v Speaker 2>happy to go back to Bristol, the city where I

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<v Speaker 2>wore work as an emmigrant worker from Southern Europe more

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<v Speaker 2>than twenty years ago, and in which I learned a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of English or cleaning the toilets and working as

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<v Speaker 2>a kitchen assistant. And it was the place in which

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<v Speaker 2>I discovered the British working class literature that was so

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<v Speaker 2>important to me for my work later on.

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<v Speaker 1>The experience is that Alberta mentions here about his time

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<v Speaker 1>living and working in Bristol makeup his novel Down and

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<v Speaker 1>Out in England and Italy, translated and published in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one by Scribe Publications. The book actually got a

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<v Speaker 1>very unsympathetic review in the British right wing rag the

426
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<v Speaker 1>Daily Mail. In that review, the journalist describes Alberta as

427
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<v Speaker 1>a quote very sweary, grizzled old Italian lefty end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Will include a link to the book in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>The Working Class Writers Festival in Bristol was an excellent event,

430
00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.079
<v Speaker 1>but for Alberto there was also something missing from it.

431
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Was a great opportunity, but I also could feel the

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00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:09.839
<v Speaker 2>distance from the kind of workers' atmosphere that we had

433
00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:13.880
<v Speaker 2>in Italy in that days, because we had a mobilitation

434
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:19.720
<v Speaker 2>that means a fight inside the class strike. In some way,

435
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Bristol festival was more a kind of cultural thing. So

436
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I had the idea that we should organize a festival

437
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.480
<v Speaker 2>in Florence, not for the workers, but with the workers.

438
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:39.079
<v Speaker 2>That means that the workers should be leaders in these things.

439
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:42.160
<v Speaker 2>In some way. I start to spoke with a few

440
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 2>of them, and this idea was some way interesting. But

441
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:51.359
<v Speaker 2>they were also fighting for something that, according to a

442
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:55.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of them were more important, of course their wages. Okay,

443
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.039
<v Speaker 2>so some people say to me, yes, it's good. Other

444
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>told me yeah, but we have fishly to fight for

445
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:07.119
<v Speaker 2>the wages. So with a few workers they were we

446
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:12.960
<v Speaker 2>organized something that was called cultu rat convergence convergence autale.

447
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:18.000
<v Speaker 2>It was a kind of a small group within the

448
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:22.160
<v Speaker 2>workers collective. At the beginning, they were only organized small

449
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.279
<v Speaker 2>event or even big one, but cultural event like a

450
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:32.640
<v Speaker 2>book presentation. Brook talks about literature just in this big

451
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:37.799
<v Speaker 2>square close nearby the factory, the GKN factory. My idea

452
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:42.640
<v Speaker 2>was still that one to organize not a small talk

453
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:47.440
<v Speaker 2>or a book presentation, but a huge festival. But it

454
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:51.079
<v Speaker 2>took time because it's not something that you can do

455
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:55.319
<v Speaker 2>it out of the blue. No, So we started. We

456
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:59.720
<v Speaker 2>managed finally in twenty twenty two to create a working gloup,

457
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:06.920
<v Speaker 2>a kind of new cultural convergence group, putting together a

458
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>few workers from the GCKN collective and then some other

459
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:20.039
<v Speaker 2>workers of the publishing industry, plus several activists of the songs.

460
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:25.240
<v Speaker 2>That is the kind of society of mutual aid. It's

461
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>something that had a longer tradition in the past, the

462
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:33.359
<v Speaker 2>last century. In Italy. So we put all these people

463
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 2>together to work to build a new festival, and I

464
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.680
<v Speaker 2>was asked to be the so called artistic director. This

465
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:48.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of cultural marketing neologies. So I engaged myself to

466
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 2>create a program in order to give shape to the

467
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:58.680
<v Speaker 2>fifth edition of the Working Class Literature Festival in Italy.

468
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:03.119
<v Speaker 1>However, more conventional literary festivals usually get some kind of

469
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.960
<v Speaker 1>financial backing from either publishers or big money sponsors. The

470
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:11.519
<v Speaker 1>Festival Working Class Literature had neither. Instead, the festival relied

471
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.559
<v Speaker 1>on the solidarity of social movement institutions.

472
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:20.559
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't easy. He mentioned the songs about Archie Tuscana.

473
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Archie is a deeply rooted organization in Tuscany. You find

474
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:30.839
<v Speaker 2>an archie in every small village in Tuscany, and they

475
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.519
<v Speaker 2>are kind of, I would say, places that in some

476
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:40.359
<v Speaker 2>way nearly a pub in a way more social center, okay,

477
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:44.559
<v Speaker 2>but belonging from the left and the labor movement, and

478
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.640
<v Speaker 2>you find a lot of them all around Florence. We

479
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:53.559
<v Speaker 2>had all this network of a small archie and strongly

480
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.599
<v Speaker 2>related to the place, to the territory, coming out from

481
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.240
<v Speaker 2>even before from the resistance a year and then from

482
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>the sixties, the labor of struggles and so on.

483
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:11.279
<v Speaker 1>However, solidarity obviously took the form of huge amounts of food.

484
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:17.759
<v Speaker 2>And this network mutual aid was already giving strength to

485
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:22.799
<v Speaker 2>the mobilization. And they also enabled us to organize the festival,

486
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:27.480
<v Speaker 2>because you need money to do things, unfortunately, and we

487
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:32.119
<v Speaker 2>don't have money, so how to organize something like that.

488
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:37.319
<v Speaker 2>I think that we receive this help from these community

489
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:43.920
<v Speaker 2>centers with kitchen managable by very quite old women in

490
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:49.960
<v Speaker 2>their seventeen some times with great using kitchen skills. They

491
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:54.440
<v Speaker 2>start to cook for popular dinner with the goal to

492
00:33:54.880 --> 00:34:00.359
<v Speaker 2>rise money for the festival. So there were these women

493
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:05.480
<v Speaker 2>that start making thousands of these m or tele mujelani.

494
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.880
<v Speaker 2>There are kind of ravioli stuff with potatoes and then

495
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:13.960
<v Speaker 2>they are topped with the meat sous kind of ragou,

496
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.199
<v Speaker 2>sometimes even a ship or ragu that is quite heavy,

497
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:19.840
<v Speaker 2>but it's typical to complete designs, so it's very good.

498
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.800
<v Speaker 2>And they were cooking or to say, pantegoralic quantity of

499
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:31.400
<v Speaker 2>this tortelli with ragu, organizing dinner of solidarity. I think

500
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:36.480
<v Speaker 2>that these women have been very helpful for the festival

501
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:41.440
<v Speaker 2>of working class literally but also for the resistance funds

502
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:44.679
<v Speaker 2>of the workers. And in some way it's possible that

503
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:49.360
<v Speaker 2>the help of these women something that the young people

504
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 2>in the meurors offices could not really understand. Through these people,

505
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:02.880
<v Speaker 2>these women, we went outside their game. Their plan was

506
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:08.039
<v Speaker 2>to close plant and firing the workers, but they didn't

507
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.280
<v Speaker 2>realize that close to the plants there was a community.

508
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:18.679
<v Speaker 2>These workers were not single alone character as they teach

509
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:23.440
<v Speaker 2>you in the business school. These workers were real flesh

510
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:30.159
<v Speaker 2>and bones people with connection of solidarity around them, not

511
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:35.920
<v Speaker 2>only from the left, even from small sometimes Catholic parishes,

512
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:41.599
<v Speaker 2>or there were also relationship with sports for instance. So

513
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:47.760
<v Speaker 2>there were different communities involved all around the GKN workers

514
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:53.119
<v Speaker 2>in Florence, and this communitary helped is something that allowed

515
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:58.639
<v Speaker 2>the worker to fight and us with the worker to

516
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:00.880
<v Speaker 2>organize a this festival.

517
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 1>The tortelli mugelani was just one of the local dishes

518
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.320
<v Speaker 1>which these women cook to raise funds for the festival.

519
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Another was proposed Limprunetta.

520
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Peposo is the kind of meat that is cooked with

521
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:18.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of pepper inside the wine for many many

522
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:22.239
<v Speaker 2>hours and it's quite heavy, something that if you eat

523
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:26.920
<v Speaker 2>then you must sleep. I remember once there was a

524
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:31.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of celebration because the chicken and workers at the

525
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:34.880
<v Speaker 2>organize a kind of meeting just to thank all the

526
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:40.519
<v Speaker 2>social centers community centers in the province of Florence that

527
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:46.199
<v Speaker 2>supported their struggle. It was kind of nearly wadding with

528
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 2>these people coming from the countryside to the center of

529
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Florence well dressed for once. It was funny because Dario

530
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:01.199
<v Speaker 2>salvated the spoken parson of the world because said that

531
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:06.639
<v Speaker 2>the English managers wanted to serve us, and you fed us.

532
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:10.280
<v Speaker 2>We thought that we would die of anger because of

533
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.800
<v Speaker 2>the bosses, but by instead you make us nearly die

534
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:18.719
<v Speaker 2>with a big liver with the old proposal. So that

535
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 2>told them thanks.

536
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:26.880
<v Speaker 5>For the help, but you nearly killed us with the proposal.

537
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.840
<v Speaker 2>It was funny. So that's how we raise the money

538
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:32.079
<v Speaker 2>to organize the festival.

539
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.000
<v Speaker 1>The funds raised from the enormous amount of labor from

540
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:40.519
<v Speaker 1>those women who cook Tortelli, Muceelani and proposed ultimately made

541
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:43.880
<v Speaker 1>that first event in April twenty twenty three possible. And

542
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>the theme of that first festival was the past.

543
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:51.039
<v Speaker 2>There was a key word that was genealogy, because this

544
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:54.159
<v Speaker 2>was our idea to go back to the roots of

545
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:58.119
<v Speaker 2>our tradition, because we were something new in Italy and

546
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>there was no working class, a little to in Italy.

547
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 2>According to the critics, till more or less fifteen years ago,

548
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:10.079
<v Speaker 2>ten years ago out something like this happened out of

549
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:14.599
<v Speaker 2>what So the first edition of the festival was genealogy,

550
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:19.840
<v Speaker 2>just to show everybody from where we were coming.

551
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Let me say this that the first edition we had

552
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.719
<v Speaker 3>three thousand and five hundred guests.

553
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:28.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to say guest has to do

554
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.599
<v Speaker 2>with the world. That is not really appropriate, because it

555
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.159
<v Speaker 2>seems that if you are a guest, you go to

556
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:40.960
<v Speaker 2>visit someone just for an act of cultural consumption. I

557
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.639
<v Speaker 2>don't think that that was the purpose of our festival.

558
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.920
<v Speaker 2>It was an act of political.

559
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:51.760
<v Speaker 5>Engagement, absolutely so it was absolutely different from all the

560
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:56.519
<v Speaker 5>cultural festival that are quite spread everywhere in Italy.

561
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.239
<v Speaker 1>One way this difference manifested was in how into why

562
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:02.679
<v Speaker 1>the festival was with the fate of the workers in

563
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Camp be sent and how they similarly came on the fire.

564
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:10.920
<v Speaker 2>One week before the festival, there was a street demonstration

565
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:15.760
<v Speaker 2>in which we had enough people, not that much, not

566
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:20.639
<v Speaker 2>like in September. The idea was of this street parade

567
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:25.159
<v Speaker 2>was the workers were under siege, you know, by the management,

568
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:29.119
<v Speaker 2>and they wanted to break this siege through the demonstration.

569
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.039
<v Speaker 2>My feeling after the parade that it was that we

570
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:40.280
<v Speaker 2>failed to break these siage. One week after it was

571
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:43.679
<v Speaker 2>the time to kick off the festival, we arrived with

572
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:49.719
<v Speaker 2>a very low mood, tired. We also receive emails from

573
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:56.079
<v Speaker 2>the property. They were using classes words and also it

574
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:58.719
<v Speaker 2>was a more kind of threat. It was not easy.

575
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:01.679
<v Speaker 2>The owners of the plant did then not really lay

576
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:05.079
<v Speaker 2>out the red carpets for us during the first edition.

577
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Just one day before the first day of the festival,

578
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:12.519
<v Speaker 2>the workers they receive an email from the owners of

579
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:17.480
<v Speaker 2>the plant telling that all the people coming to the

580
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 2>festival Working Class Literal will be prosecuted. It was funny

581
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:27.079
<v Speaker 2>because this pushed a lot of people to come to

582
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:27.920
<v Speaker 2>support us.

583
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Darius similarly remembers the boss's response to both the recent

584
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:36.960
<v Speaker 1>demonstration and the first Festival of Working Class Literature.

585
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:41.440
<v Speaker 3>Demonstration had a big impact, But it was like if

586
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:43.519
<v Speaker 3>it was something that.

587
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.679
<v Speaker 2>The capital and the power was used to.

588
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:50.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay, if these people want to protest just one day

589
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:53.159
<v Speaker 3>in the in the streets is not a problem. But

590
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:56.159
<v Speaker 3>we'll do where they will do their own demonstration where

591
00:40:56.199 --> 00:41:00.159
<v Speaker 3>they will change the chances logan. They will, yeah, will

592
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:02.400
<v Speaker 3>be a little bit of traffic jam because they will

593
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 3>invite the streets with thousands of people.

594
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.360
<v Speaker 2>But it's okay, it's okay, it's routine.

595
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:11.719
<v Speaker 3>Then then the demonstration will pass and nobody will remember

596
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:15.840
<v Speaker 3>about the demonstration. One week after this big demonstration, we

597
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.519
<v Speaker 3>did the festival and it was crazy, the reaction of

598
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.760
<v Speaker 3>the capital. I have seen a lot of time the eighth,

599
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:26.480
<v Speaker 3>the class eight, from the one that's in the top

600
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:29.559
<v Speaker 3>against the ones that are in the bottom of the society.

601
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:31.519
<v Speaker 2>I've seen a lot of time this kind of eight.

602
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:37.480
<v Speaker 2>But that peculiar eight that I saw spreading for the.

603
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:43.239
<v Speaker 3>Festival gave us the idea that we were eating a

604
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:43.880
<v Speaker 3>big point.

605
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:49.400
<v Speaker 2>And the point is that how you there? How you there?

606
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:53.280
<v Speaker 3>Fucking peasants? You know a little bit like in in

607
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:57.239
<v Speaker 3>in the song of Joleno, Are you there fucking peasants?

608
00:41:57.559 --> 00:41:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you can, you can take the streets, you can

609
00:41:59.639 --> 00:41:59.880
<v Speaker 2>do them.

610
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:04.039
<v Speaker 3>You can't say your fucking slogan with your stinky demonstration.

611
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 2>But how you there to speak, to write and to

612
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.440
<v Speaker 2>remember that you have your own.

613
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:16.519
<v Speaker 3>History, your own literature, your own ability to tell the history.

614
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:19.199
<v Speaker 1>The John Lennon song that Daria is referring to here

615
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 1>is the nineteen seventies classic working class Hero, which contains

616
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the lines you think you're so clever and classless and free,

617
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 1>but you're still fucking peasants. As far as I can see,

618
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:34.239
<v Speaker 1>a working class hero is something to be. As Dario

619
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.000
<v Speaker 1>and Alberta both explain, there was a sense that by

620
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:41.000
<v Speaker 1>holding a literature festival inside the factory, the peasants were

621
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:44.400
<v Speaker 1>not staying in their place. However, the second installment of

622
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:47.280
<v Speaker 1>the factory would suffer an act of sabotage that went

623
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.119
<v Speaker 1>beyond legal threats and public denunciations.

624
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.039
<v Speaker 2>The worst thing that happened, I don't know who where

625
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:55.760
<v Speaker 2>the people that did this. In some way it happens

626
00:42:55.920 --> 00:43:01.920
<v Speaker 2>is that before the festival, unknown individuals broke into the

627
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:07.559
<v Speaker 2>industrial side by night and they were able to destroy

628
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 2>the power plant of the factory. So the factory was

629
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:16.760
<v Speaker 2>in the darkness with no power, no electricity, and it's

630
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.519
<v Speaker 2>not really easy. I've been told to destroy a power

631
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:24.000
<v Speaker 2>plant in an industrial plant. It's not like your house.

632
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:28.320
<v Speaker 2>It's quite complex. You must know where to put your hands.

633
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:32.719
<v Speaker 2>With no power, you cannot do events and microphone are

634
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:36.880
<v Speaker 2>not working, so we had to go outside. The festival

635
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:42.960
<v Speaker 2>was all outdoor in the square in front of the factory. Luckily,

636
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:47.119
<v Speaker 2>the municipality of camping business prened us the public usage

637
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<v Speaker 2>after this kind of intimidation that was more kind of

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<v Speaker 2>mafia style act. I don't know where these people, we

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<v Speaker 2>had no proof. We don't really know. We just know

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<v Speaker 2>that there was no power, that's it. And so we

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<v Speaker 2>had to reorganize everything. There was no stash for where

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<v Speaker 2>to find the quick stash. We decaid to rent the

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<v Speaker 2>track in order to use the flatbed as a stash.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was funny because there was a great solidarity.

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<v Speaker 2>For instance, the owner of the track, once he learned

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<v Speaker 2>that it was the GK and workers asking for the track,

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<v Speaker 2>he gave them for free for three days, so we

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<v Speaker 2>had Greek solidarity on the one hand. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>still this violence of the power. For instance, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a drawne just spying us from above for three days.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think it was the law. But there

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<v Speaker 2>were some bad guys turning around ourself, people with kind

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<v Speaker 2>of faced more like gangster movie. Okay, just taking photos

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<v Speaker 2>with mobiles and so on. That is something that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>happen to you if you go in a middle class

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<v Speaker 2>festival to talk about culture. You know, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>So you could think that workers that do have so

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<v Speaker 3>big ideas of a festival gathering thousands of people would

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<v Speaker 3>be some kind of heros for the present society. This

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<v Speaker 3>present society that always say that you have to be

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<v Speaker 3>multi skilling, converting yourself. We were workers without wages able

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<v Speaker 3>to organize a festival that is impacting.

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<v Speaker 2>On thousands of people.

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<v Speaker 3>So we were showing that we are good workers, that

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<v Speaker 3>we are people that should be hired not fired.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was not the case. It's fun if you

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<v Speaker 2>tried to do a festival with the working class for

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<v Speaker 2>the working class in the field of culture, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you get. Drown and bad guy around you, someone unknown

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<v Speaker 2>cut your power. They tried to cut the power to

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<v Speaker 2>a working class festival. It's amazing. No. I think in

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<v Speaker 2>some ways also that means that we were effective, that

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<v Speaker 2>we were a threat for them. Otherwise, why all these energy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yet despite all these difficulties, the festivals have been a

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<v Speaker 1>huge success.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that the beginning there were not many people.

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<v Speaker 2>Then after thirty minutes there was a long, long queue

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<v Speaker 2>and we had hundreds of people coming inside, middle class people,

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<v Speaker 2>working class people, families with children, teachers, researchers, students, activists,

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<v Speaker 2>all people of any kind of age, any class, but

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<v Speaker 2>all full of solidarity. And it was it was strong.

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<v Speaker 2>We really break the siege. We want that match. At

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<v Speaker 2>least after the parade we were not able to win

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<v Speaker 2>after the festival. At least we won and we could work,

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<v Speaker 2>the worker could breed. We had lots of great repelds

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<v Speaker 2>from the press, even because it was something new. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>had done something like that to bring culture, books writer

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<v Speaker 2>inside the factory, because factory, according to the bosses, they

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<v Speaker 2>have to be and close are. But in the sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>our fathers they had a strong fight and they also achieved.

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<v Speaker 2>The right to culture is something that every big factory

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<v Speaker 2>must acknowledge, the right to culture. It's not professional for mention,

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<v Speaker 2>culture means theater means violin, music plays.

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<v Speaker 1>Statuto. The laboratory that Alberto mentions here is a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of legislation in Italy. The outlines workers' rights in the

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<v Speaker 1>country past in nineteen seventy protected workers around a number

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<v Speaker 1>of things like disciplinaries and the right to join a

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<v Speaker 1>trade union. The immediate context for this was a huge

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<v Speaker 1>wave of militant strike action taken by Italian workers in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine in what was known as the Hot Autumn.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll cover the Hot Autumn in more detail in our

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming series on the Italian struggles of the sixties and seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's interesting here is that the Statorto de laboratory

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't just include bread and butter economical workplace rights, but

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<v Speaker 1>that the struggles of those workers, as Alberta mentioned, also

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<v Speaker 1>won the right to culture, as outlined in Artcle eleven

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<v Speaker 1>on cultural, recreative and welfare activities.

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<v Speaker 2>According to us is the bread and the roses. So

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<v Speaker 2>our festival was the roses part and while the owners

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<v Speaker 2>were not even giving the money for the bread.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all we have time for in today's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Join us.

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<v Speaker 1>In part two, we'll discuss what went on at the

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<v Speaker 1>previous festivals, including conversations with two participants, the authors, Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Cartwright and Claudia do Rastanti. We'll also be discussing this

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<v Speaker 1>year's festival and the future of the GK and workers struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, the factory collective and festival organizers are encouraging

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<v Speaker 1>people from all over the world to attend, so if

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<v Speaker 1>you have an interest in working class writing and the arts,

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<v Speaker 1>do think about making it over to campub sensor this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Entry to the festival is free, just turn up and

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<v Speaker 1>take part, and if you like to support the struggle

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<v Speaker 1>at GKN, then do consider making a contribution to their

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<v Speaker 1>solidarity fund. Full details for all of this in the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes. It's only support from you, our listeners, which

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<v Speaker 1>on your favorite podcast app. If you'd like to learn

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<v Speaker 1>more about the festival, with the GKN Struggle or any

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<v Speaker 1>of the authors that we speak to in these episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>then do check out the web page where you'll find images, videos,

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<v Speaker 1>a full list of sources, further reading and more link

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<v Speaker 1>in the show notes. Thanks also to our Patreon supporters

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<v Speaker 1>for making this podcast possible. Special thanks to Jameson D. Saltzman, Jazz,

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<v Speaker 1>Fernande Lopez Ojeda, and Jeremy Kuizimano. Our theme tune for

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<v Speaker 1>these episodes is Occupiamola or Let's occupy it, as sung

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<v Speaker 1>on a GK and workers demonstration in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Many thanks to Real News for letting us use their recording,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can find a link to the documentary it's

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<v Speaker 1>taken from on the web page for this episode. This

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<v Speaker 1>episode was edited by Tyler Hill. Anyway, that's it for today.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope you enjoyed the episode and thanks for listening.
