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<v Speaker 1>A couple months ago, I made a video about a

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<v Speaker 1>GMRS user who had petitioned the FCC to add low

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<v Speaker 1>band frequencies low band VHF somewhere between the thirty and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty megahertz range low band frequencies to the GMRS spectrum

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<v Speaker 1>for a new band and new set of frequencies for

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<v Speaker 1>GMRS users. This same individual has written another petition to

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<v Speaker 1>the FCC where he indicates that he is against repeater

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<v Speaker 1>linking of GMRS repeaters. Check this out.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Admittedly, admittedly he sent me so, mister Michael Trejos, he

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<v Speaker 1>saw my first video about his proposal. I made a

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<v Speaker 1>video about his proposal to the FCC to add VHF

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<v Speaker 1>low band frequencies, which I sent him. So he emailed

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<v Speaker 1>me after he saw that video and gave me some

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<v Speaker 1>details about his background, and he sent me a link

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<v Speaker 1>to the article we're going to read today, and I

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<v Speaker 1>replied to him and I said, has there been any

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<v Speaker 1>new news, any movement on this proposal to the FCC

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm waiting to hear back on that. Don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any further updates on that. I certainly hope to get

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<v Speaker 1>further updates on that soon. And we will make another

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<v Speaker 1>video about that. But he sent me a link to

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<v Speaker 1>this article right here, and I went in and had

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<v Speaker 1>and this is like a several page article. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>all of this in here, and he does links to

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in there and this whole thing, okay, And I

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<v Speaker 1>will link this in the description.

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<v Speaker 2>Blow. You guys can go read the whole thing if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to.

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<v Speaker 1>But I put this into groc Ai, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>groc Ai summarize this for me.

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<v Speaker 2>We marveled at our own magnificence as we gave birth

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<v Speaker 2>to AI.

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<v Speaker 1>AI can be a useful tool, but it should not

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<v Speaker 1>be an end all, be all answer to everything. So

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<v Speaker 1>just use it accordingly. And that's what I've done here, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So summarize of this entire article over here on the

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<v Speaker 1>FCC's website this pdf file. On April twenty fifth of

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<v Speaker 1>this year, Michael Trehost, a physician, certified telecommunications engineer, and

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<v Speaker 1>veteran FCC participant with oly over fifty years in radio comms,

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<v Speaker 1>including the oldest act of GMRS license. Oh okay, submitted

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<v Speaker 1>a reply comments opposing the proposed deletion of Rules forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven CFR Part ninety five here here and here These

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<v Speaker 1>rules prohibit GMRS stations from interconnecting with public switched networks,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, connecting over the Internet or over telephone

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<v Speaker 1>lines encompassing wireline RF Internet and sew your links except

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<v Speaker 1>for transmitter control. Proposed items from NPRM promoting deregulation under

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<v Speaker 1>the Executive Orders fourteen and fourteen two nineteen aiming to

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<v Speaker 1>enable wide area linking of GMRS repeater systems. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you go back to this original article here, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about in matter of delete delete lead, which we

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<v Speaker 1>did a video about last few months ago as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Now admittedly, okay, I fully admit when I first got

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<v Speaker 1>this link from him, I thought he was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>petitioning the FCC to allow GMRS repeater linking. He has

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<v Speaker 1>petitioned the FCC to disallow, which they have done already.

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<v Speaker 1>They've already disallowed repeater linking. Some people still do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how they get away with it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, FCC's got a lot on their

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<v Speaker 1>plate whatever. But I was a little bit surprised with

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<v Speaker 1>his arguments behind this, and I don't think I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with him one hundred percent. So let's read on and

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<v Speaker 1>see what he has to say, let's see what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of justification he makes for telling the FCC that they

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<v Speaker 1>should not allow repeater linking. Key arguments against deletion. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's arguing against deletion.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a little bit. This, this legal eese is a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit ambiguous.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, you know, submitted reply comments posing the proposed deletion.

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<v Speaker 2>Of rules of these rules.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So someone has proposed to delete the rules that

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<v Speaker 1>prevent GMRS repeaters linking, and he is opposing that proposal.

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<v Speaker 2>Is what this is?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Key arguments against deletion.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Trey Hose cited FCC proceedings starting with Docket two oh

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<v Speaker 1>eight four six, which banned GMRS PSTN interconnections beyond control

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<v Speaker 1>links control links where you could connect your GMRS repeater

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<v Speaker 1>to the Internet and then control it somehow over the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe with an app on your phone, or maybe through

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<v Speaker 1>a web browser or something like that, beyond control links

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<v Speaker 1>due to limited spectrum only eight repeater channels and risk

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<v Speaker 1>of monopolization. This was reaffirmed in PR document blah blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, which updated terminology to PSN too explicitly

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<v Speaker 1>barred voice transmissions via control links so, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to control it over the Internet via

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<v Speaker 1>data and just in frequency change, peel tone, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>reboot the system whatever. Okay, fine, but not for voice transmissions,

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<v Speaker 1>spectrum scarcity and fair access. Allowing links would enable users

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<v Speaker 1>to dominate channels, hindering shared use by some three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty seven thousand GMRS licensees, Echoing nineteen seventies concerns

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<v Speaker 1>from events like the nineteen seventy seven REACT convention where

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<v Speaker 1>autopatch repeaters blocked access.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not familiar with that. It was fifty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it really, you know, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a historical significance, but as far as today, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure how well that applies legal and economic risk. Interconnection

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<v Speaker 1>would create a pseudo common carrier service, violating this section,

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<v Speaker 1>enabling theft of service under eighteens this section. This could

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<v Speaker 1>allow one user to link systems for many others without

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<v Speaker 1>individual subscriptions, defrauding carriers like defrauding carriers like Verizon, AT

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<v Speaker 1>and T who have historically opposed such practices. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure what he's talking about. Where AT and T

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<v Speaker 1>and Verizon we have problems with linked repeaters. But we

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<v Speaker 1>do that in him radio all the time, all Star

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<v Speaker 1>echo link linked repeaters, no problem. There's no problem there.

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<v Speaker 1>And I understand what he's saying about limited spectrum because

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<v Speaker 1>GMRS only has eight separate frequencies for repeater use. They

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<v Speaker 1>have sixteen frequencies for simplex use which are shared with

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<v Speaker 1>FRS users, and eight frequencies for repeater use, which actually

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<v Speaker 1>those eight repeater frequencies are shared with the simplex frequencies

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<v Speaker 1>as well, So I see where he's coming from here. However, However,

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<v Speaker 1>if you are a repeater owner and you want to

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<v Speaker 1>link your repeater to another repeater, I think you should

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<v Speaker 1>be able to do it. And if you want to unlink,

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<v Speaker 1>if it becomes too big of a system or someone

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<v Speaker 1>gets on there and starts abusing it, you unlink your repeater.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be on the repeater owner to keep

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<v Speaker 1>control and maintain control of that. But that's true for

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<v Speaker 1>every repeater owner everywhere. You'd already be doing that. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to spend your money to put a repeater

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<v Speaker 1>in the air, you should be able to do what

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<v Speaker 1>you want to with it. I realize there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more to it than just that, okay, But as a

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<v Speaker 1>general rule, I pretty much support repeater linking in GMRS,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't really understand why they have.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand his key points here.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got one other key point that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>get to here in a second, and then I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to read you the exact document.

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<v Speaker 2>But I understand where he's coming from.

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<v Speaker 1>But to me, that means his arguments seem to ride

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<v Speaker 1>on the fact that repeater owners aren't managing their own

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<v Speaker 1>repeaters correctly, which if you're going to become a repeater owner,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to be able to do that. So you

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<v Speaker 1>need to be willing to do that, I should say so,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're a repeater owner, you have a base station

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<v Speaker 1>set up, or you have some sort of GMRS radio

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<v Speaker 1>he makes here is tree host notes that proponents GMRS

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<v Speaker 1>clubs and individuals overtook this fifty year regulatory history, including

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<v Speaker 1>the FCC's consistent stance on PSN's broad definition now including

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<v Speaker 1>four G, five G and six G and Internet conclusion.

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<v Speaker 1>Tree hos urges the FCC to retain the rules to

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<v Speaker 1>protect gmris's limited resources and preventive use, emphasizing that deregulation

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<v Speaker 1>here would undermine equitable, equitable access and invite enforcement challenges.

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<v Speaker 1>Enforcement challenges. Yes, the repeater owner is going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to enforce what's happening on his own repeater. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna spend money on the repeater, you should already kind

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<v Speaker 1>of be in that mindset in my opinion, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>from the cellular industry, I still don't understand what he

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<v Speaker 1>means by I don't understand what a cell network has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with repeaters being linked over cell networks First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, there's a lot of GMRS repeater sites I

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<v Speaker 1>would assume, just like HAM radio or repeater sites that

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<v Speaker 1>don't use cell networks at all. They use like a

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<v Speaker 1>basic ISP and some of them might use some of

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<v Speaker 1>them that are more remote might use cell sites. But

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<v Speaker 1>how are we able to use all star necolink with

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<v Speaker 1>no problems at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>Again, nothing from the cellular industry at all in HAM radio,

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<v Speaker 1>but not in GMRS radio. He served copanies to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight stakeholders, including GMRS advocates, Verizon attorneys, and industries like

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<v Speaker 1>the CTIA. Okay, and that is everything that GROC had

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<v Speaker 1>to say about this article. But I wanted to read

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<v Speaker 1>you one section of this article here the conclusion right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Since nineteen seventy six to date, the FCC has had

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<v Speaker 1>consistent legislative record regarding the prohibition of GMRS transmissions over

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<v Speaker 1>public switching telephone networks. Since nineteen seventy six in the

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<v Speaker 1>docket two eight four six and to present date, the

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<v Speaker 1>Commission has made it absolutely clear that the term PSTN

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<v Speaker 1>now PSN was to include wireline and non wireline radio

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<v Speaker 1>frequency RF connection, which today has evolved into the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>and four g I would okay, maybe, okay, okay, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the common carrier cellular industry has been vehement throughout their

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<v Speaker 1>history of preventing theft of service and their use of

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<v Speaker 1>Title eighteen USC. Forty seven blah blah blah to prosecute

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<v Speaker 1>theft of service were applicable.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's talking about theft of service as in your

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<v Speaker 1>repeaters linked to another repeater or someone links to you

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<v Speaker 1>through an all Star type system, and then they take

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<v Speaker 1>over your repeater and basically take service away from you

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<v Speaker 1>because they've linked it to their system and now there's

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<v Speaker 1>activities going on that are outside of your area. That

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<v Speaker 1>just simply means the repeater owner should disconnect from that service.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a way to do that. You can do that

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<v Speaker 1>via internet connection, you can do that via DTMF tones.

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<v Speaker 1>There's multiple ways to disconnect or repeater from another linked

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<v Speaker 1>repeater over the Internet, and this would require repeater owners

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<v Speaker 1>to take responsibility for their own repeater. So this seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a thin argument to me. I understand what he's saying,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm just saying it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a thin argument to me. Therefore, I'm quite

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<v Speaker 1>confident that the common carrier segar industry will fight to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent this fight to prevent this theft of service from

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<v Speaker 1>happening in GMRS with the wide area both interstate and

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<v Speaker 1>interstate and intrust date linking of GMS repeater system and

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<v Speaker 1>possibly all amateur radio networks that use PSN interconnection versus

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<v Speaker 1>amateur radio RF linking. So okay, so now he's going after.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's going after amateur radio sort of in a

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<v Speaker 1>roundabout passive aggressive way right there, Possibly all amateur reasradio

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<v Speaker 1>networks that use a PSN. Well, I could tell you

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Amateur radio repeater owners definitely take control of

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<v Speaker 1>their amateur radio repeaters. Sometimes they piss people off. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's his repeater. He should be able to say what.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think that this is a good argument

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<v Speaker 1>at all. In closing, I firmly believe that the FCC

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<v Speaker 1>must continue to prohibit the linking of GMRS repeaters and

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<v Speaker 1>keep in full force the effect of this as stated

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<v Speaker 1>by the Commission back in nineteen seventy six, which is

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<v Speaker 1>still valid today. Spectrum availability and GMRS is limited, and

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<v Speaker 1>as such, permitting interconnection with the PSN for anything other

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<v Speaker 1>than transmitter control would be extremely detrimental to the ability

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<v Speaker 1>of all users to have effective and efficient access and

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<v Speaker 1>use all of the GMRS eight, the eight GMRS four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty two megahrz repeater channels without them being

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<v Speaker 1>monopolized by those wanting to link repeaters to create wide

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<v Speaker 1>area interstate communications networks. Exclamation point again. I see where

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<v Speaker 1>he's coming from. I understand what he's saying. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's off base. Maybe they should create one or two

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<v Speaker 1>of those eight channels for specifically linking, and then channel

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two or channel twenty one or whatever, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pick one this repeater channel is used for linking all

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of them or not. Maybe that's an answer

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<v Speaker 1>to that. Okay, but if you're gonna go after amateur radio,

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<v Speaker 1>amateur radio has been RF linking or RF linking repeaters

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<v Speaker 1>and Internet connecting linking repeaters for a couple of decades. Now, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not something new in amateur radio, and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a limited repeater range the way that GMRS does.

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<v Speaker 1>GMRS has one band on UHF around four hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two megahertz, with eight different frequencies that are used

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<v Speaker 1>for repeater use. M radio can use repeaters on multiple

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<v Speaker 1>bands ten meters six meters, two meters two twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>point twenty five meter for our for forty seventy centimeter band,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just right below the gmrs BAN one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>megahertz one point two giga hurts. Okay, we can use.

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<v Speaker 1>There's multiple frequencies on multiple bands that we can use

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<v Speaker 1>as repeater linking. So this whole takeover and monopolized thing,

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<v Speaker 1>sure it can happen, Sure, but you've got one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>other places you could go if you have one repeater

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<v Speaker 1>that's been taken over and monopolized by a rogue system.

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<v Speaker 2>Or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, if you know the DTMF tones that are standard

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<v Speaker 1>in all Star Link and Hamvoid, you can disconnect and

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<v Speaker 1>connect repeaters at will, even if you don't own the repeater.

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<v Speaker 1>I can drive up to any all Star repeater right

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<v Speaker 1>now and hit Star three and the five digit code

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<v Speaker 1>for another repeater somewhere else and connect it. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I can hit Star one in that code again to

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<v Speaker 1>disconnect it. So amateur radio control operators, you should id

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<v Speaker 1>when you do that. By the way, amateur radio control

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<v Speaker 1>operators can don't necessarily have to be the repeater owner,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can We can already do that. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure exactly how it works. I never messed with actually

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<v Speaker 1>linking and unlinking repeaters and gmrs. I don't own any

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<v Speaker 1>GMRS repeaters, so I never really tried that myself, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure exactly how that worked, but I assume

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably a similar feature, some sort of DTMF tone

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<v Speaker 1>that would disconnect and reconnect repeaters. So what do you

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<v Speaker 1>guys think about this? Are you in favor of the

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<v Speaker 1>FCC telling us that we cannot link GMRIS repeaters or

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that's bogus? And do you think repeater

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<v Speaker 1>linking should be allowed? I tend to lean on the

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<v Speaker 1>side of repeater linking should be allowed, and if they

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<v Speaker 1>want to regulate it to one or two channels, then great.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't particularly like someone telling me what I

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<v Speaker 1>can and can't do with a repeater that I spent

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<v Speaker 1>money on. That's my stance. Let me know if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a different stance in the comments. Blow And if

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<v Speaker 2>Seventy three