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Speaker 1: All right, welcoming, We're live. It's Monday morning.

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Speaker 2: We're back.

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Speaker 1: Hope everyone had a great weekend. I had a pretty

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good weekend on the hardwood. Not so much with the vikings,

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but pretty happy about how that went. As we let

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people file in, how is your weekend? Boys?

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Speaker 3: It was okay other than I lost my biggest play.

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I went five and two overall, but had a five

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percent loser in college football, which was very, very frustrating,

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especially because I had to stay up late too, and

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but the points never came from Boisey State. There's nothing worse.

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There's nothing worse. Guys. You guys have been in this business,

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both of you long enough to know that you'll stand

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up till two in the morning. Isn't always fun, but

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when it's for a loser, it's especially painful. Especially sucks

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because my first three plays on Saturday all covered wire

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to wire and then we lose the big one. So

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I tweeted this. I apologized to everyone who only had

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the big one but still three and one on Saturday.

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I went two and one in the NFL yesterday. So

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good weekend overall, sixty seven percent last six days. If

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you go sixty seven percent over six day stretch. Rop

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You've been doing this long enough, you understand you'll take

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that ever every time.

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Speaker 2: And here here Brian. I mean, it is difficult, and

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I think what a lot of people, and I always

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say thank God for the person who opened up the

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door to in game betting, because we can't recommend these

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to clients, but as betters, in game betting becomes the

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savior for everything, at least in my case. If you

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know what you're doing within game, you're gonna make money

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no matter where you started the game at so myself.

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College basketball, real quick, guys, I had a two and

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one Saturday, or excuse me, a two and oh Saturday,

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and then I was looking for the three and o.

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Last night, I had the Florida team total over ninety

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and a half. They only got the eighty two against Miami.

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Pretty good game in Miami, I guess you could say

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they showed halfway decent, but Florida's front court really proved.

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Matt Hawk was tremendous second half in that game, and

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Condon was good all game long. But a ton of

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that was a real foulfest. Everybody was in the bonus

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forever in that game. It took it to two and

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one for the weekend. We'll see how we go here

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college oop this week. I think overall guys fourteen and

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ten for client releases so far this season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. The first iteration of like, so

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we're gonna have I think we're gonna do this now.

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I might as well get the promo out of the way.

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I believe they are gonna let us do a weekend

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package for college basketball for the three of us. I

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know we kind of got it up, you know, late

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this past week, but I believe that will be like

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a normal option for the weekend. And I think it

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did pretty good. I went, I think I was six

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and two Saturday and Sunday in college hoops. I did.

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I did lose on Friday, but maybe like one and two.

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So I'm pretty sure we won collectively this past weekend,

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which will always be the goal. And getting all three

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of us for you know, basically one price, I think

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that's a pretty good deal. Brian, what do you think about?

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Speaker 3: I agree? And I was one and one apologies with

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the one winner. Both both plays were decided by double digits,

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both the winner and the loser. Two couple of totals

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and moving forward as the season goals and we have

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more data points. Again, I think I said that. I've

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said this point the first week of the show. I

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reared it last week. There'll be more and more plays

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from me as the season goes on in college hoops.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get right into it. I see we're

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going to get to Garth's question in a second, but

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Jacob is asking about the game that I chose as

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the feature game today. He wants to know is VCU

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plus twelve and a half of play? And what I

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want to know I'll go to Rob first. Do you

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have any interest in baiting Will Wait at this point?

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Because I certainly do not, and so I will not

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be on VCU tonight. How about yourself?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be against Will Wade at this point. Again,

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I've said it before. He's the kind of guy who

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every game is a state game to him. And actually

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I got a few quotes here for you guys. It

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Will Wade. It's kind of coach speak. But what he

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said about tonight's game was it's about to get real,

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real quick, and we're going to have to play better.

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What worked in these early games won't work against VCU

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a ton of respect for their program, nice coach, being nice,

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complimentary to the other side. For what it's worth, NC

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State hasn't played a rugged schedule through their first three.

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rated team they played. We know, Adam, you've mentioned UAB

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and you know what kind of I won't call it upheaval,

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but that that program might not be what it's been

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in past years. For the other side, VCU, I mean,

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if you were just going to take the schedule test right,

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they've played the one best opponent out of the six

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that these teams have played. They played Utah State. They

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fell short eighty seventy seven. It's a little bit deceiving.

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VCU was down eighteen guys with eleven and a half

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left in that game, really being outplayed and made a

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pretty good run at the end, which that style is

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capable of doing. But now you're taking your style, running

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it right into the grinder against the same style against

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a team that might be better at it than you

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are on their home floor. A couple of things you

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have to point out here VCU, and this I'm just

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going to lay this out there real quick. So guys,

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can follow us throughout the season where this is concerned.

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When we talk overall free throw percentage shooting for a team,

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I generally like to go in and see who are

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the guys shooting the free throws. If you're collectively seventy

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seven percent, but you've got two out of three guys

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that only shoot sixty nine percent to take most of

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your free throws, then it's really not seventy seven. In

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this turnover issue, for VCU, almost twenty one percent of

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their offensive possessions are turning into turnovers. And when you

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look at the guys that are handling the ball, they

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all have humongous turnover rates. Why is that a big deal?

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Because NC State turns over like crazy. I think they're

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fifty in the country as I look right now at

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doing so. An NC State, for what it's worth, doesn't

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turn the ball over, So it kind of negates what

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VCU wants to do here, right, they're going to handle

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the ball. The other side is not going to handle

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the ball. And for the other example here of advantage

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for NC State, they shoot the three really really well.

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there and they're going in now again, it could be

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that it's bad opposition, right we can always throw that

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in there this early in the season. However, sharp shooters

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are sharp shooters, and right now nc State has a

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plethora of them, and VCU hasn't defended it at all

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against their bad schedule. And tell you the truth, in

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the Utah State game, Uta State didn't try them u touss.

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They shot thirteen threes in that game and still won,

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scored eighty points without putting the threes up. So to me,

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NC State has a pair of huge advantages here. A

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they don't turn it over. They can turn VCU over

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because they do. B. NC State shoots the three really well.

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VCU hasn't defended it yet. Coaching edge has to go

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to Wade. I would think in this game, and remember

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that his McNee State team and got Adam and Brian

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helped me just a little bit here. I believe that

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my recollection is that the McNee State team played much

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better defense. I get it was the south Land, but

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they were more defensive predicated than Will Wade's LSU teams were.

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It seems like he's taken a new form of philosophical

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style here where he wants his teams to play defense,

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and NC State players will tell you we grind every

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single play. I've read a couple of these quotes. We

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grind every single play. The standard is the standard right

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till the end of the game. For those who are

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worried about NC State letting up at the end if

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they have a big lead, that quote right there tells

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you they won't. Twelve and a half might not be

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too big to cover. Here, I looked it over in

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this game, guys thinking that NC State's gonna find their

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way to ninety in this game, it's going to be

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fast paced. Last thing I'll say is these two, the

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way they play it sometimes turns into a foul shooting festival.

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NC State shoots really well. VCU not so well. But

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you know, free throw opportunities are still free throw opportunities,

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scoring opportunities with the clocks to stop. So I'd have

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two ways to look at it. I wouldn't look at

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in VCUS direction. I'd probably look over first, and then

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maybe the NC State way. I just think Will Wade

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is he's got better players at this point and they're

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more more cohesive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Rob, you you mentioned Will Wade' mcneeseem

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they played slow. They played much slower than what NC

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State's plan at and I think the different the reason

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for the difference is he's got better players. Now you

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referenced the three point shooting for NC State, let's just

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put a number behind that. They're shooting forty four percent

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from behind the arc so far. Is that going to continue? No,

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but I don't really want to get in front of

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it right now. And here's the other thing. It's not

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just three point shooting gang. This team is NC State

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number one in the country inside the arc sixty nine

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percent making on twos, so a done matter if it's

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outside inside they're all going in for the wolf pack

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right now. You also mentioned the turnover problems that are

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playing VCU at this juncture. I am if you're a

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VCU guy, I'm unhappy to report that there's gonna be

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more issues for you here. They're also very bad at

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cleaning up the glass. Not only is NC State gonna

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get I think extra possessions via turnover, they're gonna get

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extra shot opportunities via the offensive glass as well. I

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think NC State dominates on the glass. I think they

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turn the ball over a lot. My initial you know,

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I think we're all kind of an agreement here that

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we don't want to jump in front of Will Wade

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in NC State here. We don't want to take the

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VCU side. I wouldn't want to bet an under either.

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I am a little concerned that is NC State due

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for an off night from three sooner rather than later?

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Answers Probably yes, so, but still, I mean, maybe what's

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NC State's team total here? Is like, because if this

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game gets up and over, it's gonna because of that,

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not VCU. Right, Okay, yeah, okay, so that's a number

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I wouldn't be afraid to go over. But yeah, I'm

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with Rob that my initial when I saw this was

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gonna be a future matchup, my initial thought was over

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because NC State right now is playing exceptionally well offensively,

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and I just don't think VC is the team. Is

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the opponent, Adam that's going.

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Speaker 2: To stop that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'll go back to something Rob said quick

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about McNee State defensively under Will Wade last season. So

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going back to last year, you know McNeice in the

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Southland outclassed that conference by a wide margin. So you know,

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you could take some of those numbers with a grain

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of salt for a couple of reasons. One, they were

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the far superior team in every matchup. Two, it's like,

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I feel like they did get to a point in

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conference play where they were like, can we play like

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a real team? You know, can we play like we

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want to play good teams? And they actually went on

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the road and lost a game to Nickels State, And

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I feel like that's when Will really laid into this

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team last year. So I'll bring up a stat to

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just sort of support Rob's theory on the McNeese defense

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really like hitting another level down the stretch. They gave

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up seventy just twice from that point forward. One was

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in a win where they kind of comfortably won, and

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the other was to Purdue in a game that ended

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their season, where they only gave up seventy six to

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Purdue team that was one of the best teams in

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college basketball last year sixty nine to sixty seven win

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over Clemson in the first round of the NCAA Tournament.

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was under seventy some of those didn't break sixty. Just

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to you know, sort of support what Rob was saying

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about Will wait defensively, and what I think we'll see

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from NC State this year. Now, I thought there was

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some value on the opener of like ten and a

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half eleven. I think that was quickly gone. You're looking

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at twelve and a half some places, like my numbers

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sort of right in that range. Think I made it thirteen.

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I think the value is probably gone. Like you know,

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so there was value in NC State in the early

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going because NC State was bad last year, right, like

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they just weren't a very good team. Will Wade's taking over.

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I don't think the books were really sure how to

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fully like price Like this team, new coach, all these

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new players. I think they've got it priced correctly. Now

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doesn't mean NC State's not winning by twenty here, which

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is the way I would lean toward this going. So

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no play for me, but I'm just you're gonna have that.

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That's gonna have to be an egregious number for me

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to go against Wade. And one more thing I'll say

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about Will Wade. I think he's I just think go

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back to something Rob said a couple of weeks ago,

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like I think he's kind of on a mission, Like

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I think he wants to throw up twenty point wins,

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like and flex on people right now in his new job.

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You know, he's still got like the chip on his

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shoulder from the whole LSU thing. And I think we're

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gonna see that play out of the margins of victory

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for this NTI State team. All right, Garth, let's go

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to your play. First of all, thank you very much. Appreciate,

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appreciate the donation of the show. The likes, the subscribes,

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the comments help us tremendously. Brian Power, I'm gonna go

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to you first here. I know you probably didn't want

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this one brought up, but he brings up West Georgia,

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and of course that was you know, you had a

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loss on the on the total in that game, which

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went completely nuts, especially at the end. All of a sudden,

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I'm like checking scores in that game, and like suddenly

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they were in the nineties. I was like, what happened?

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Because it wasn't like that wasn't like the it didn't

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look like that's where it was going at first. But

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it was a crazy sort of like ninety something to

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ninety something. But I want to read Garth's question out

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and then I'll get the question off the screen and

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we'll go to you. So I guess a two parter here. First,

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when he said it's a trend, he stumbled upon this

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week Hawaii home first half unders have hit nine to

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the last thirteen. They don't play a road game till

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January first. Yeah, they don't play much. They have like

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a huge gap. I think the Hawaii just played three

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games in three days. I had a nice winner with

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Utah Tech on late Saturday night in that game, which

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I believe was the first half under. They've got like

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a three week break from like mid December, like two

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and a half week break until that game on January first.

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Just something I thought I would point out. But the

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game he wants to talk about is his favorite play,

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which is West Georgia plus three and a half. So

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I'm gonna let Brian start it off. I have an

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opinion on the side here, But do you have any

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interest going back to the well with West Georgia or

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the total in this game? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I was dead wrong with West Georgia in the last game.

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You know, I took a look at what they had

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done against UCLA. They made thirteen threes, very uncharacteristic for

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West Georgia in that game, Trig, and they still only

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finished with sixty two points. So I'm like, well, okay,

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we're not going to make that ty threes and he

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only finished with sixty two. You're not gonna do Well,

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what do they do against Nebraska? Held the fifty three

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points on twenty nine percent shooting, including four of twenty

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four for three.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 3: I get the Citadel is bad relative to Nebraska and UCLA. Okay,

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I get that you have to factor in the strength

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of opponent there, but I just I just did not

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see that coming. I kind of want to go back

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to the well at the under here against West For

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the record, West Georgia is playing Tennessee Tech Gang and yeah,

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you mentioned how things just spiraled crazy out of late

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in that game against the Citadel. For West Georgia, I

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just wanted to bring the box score up here real

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quick for that. But maybe I can get to that

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when I after I kick it to Rob, I can

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I can fill that in. But yeah, my my gut

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reaction with West Georgia is trig that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just I have a bad read on this team,

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but I was so wrong I ended up being so

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I actually want to stubbornly keep my position because I

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just don't think that this team's going to shoot as

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well as they have from distance the last two games.

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I would slightly towards the under with this West Georgia team,

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because you know, particularly on the highway here away from home,

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you would not suspect a team like this could continue

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shooting this well from three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you. I'll talk about the side I mean, Garth,

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I mean, I'm very very much in agreement with you

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on West Georgia plus. The point here's sort of a

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conundrum I'm having across the board. At this point in

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the season. We now have like what roughly, Oh no,

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it's not roughly. I think we've been going at this

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for two weeks. So you've got teams that have played

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four or five games now. And I'll let Rob chime

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in on this, because this is just more of a

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general point, but it's illustrated by this game right here.

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I make West Georgia minus one, Okay, so that would say,

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you know, you'd say, well, you make West Georgia minus one.

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There's four and a half's out there at this point.

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This is this is s team to four and a half.

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But two weeks ago, like Opening night, I probably would

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have just played it. Now we're in the we're in

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the part of the year where it's like I've got

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to start getting away from some of my projections and

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looking at the actual games that we've seen play so

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far this season. Now, you know, we've only it's not

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a huge sample, but Tennessee Tech, I mean they hung

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around with Western Kentucky and Charlotte. Those are kind of

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steps up for this team. Uh, not much I can

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draw from their last two games, which were non non

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D one games. Uh. West Georgia hung around to cover

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with UCLA. I think ucla A may have had some

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guys out in that game. I'm still lost by twenty one.

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I've said on a couple of occasions, I think I

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think the Citadel is really really bad, like might not

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win a conference game bad, one of the worst teams

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in Division One. So yes, they do get the win there.

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So it's like my number, certainly just West george is

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the right side here, but I just don't I'm not

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confident enough in my handicap of either team I think

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to just play that. But it's on my list. It's

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something that I'm thinking about I'll have to like kind

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of look at that one for a little while.

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Speaker 3: I just I just want to dart and real quick

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that West Georgia shot fifty eight percent overall last time

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out fifty in the game against at fifty percent from three.

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I it was six for twelve from three, so it

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was not a particularly high volume that they took. I

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just trigger for me, I just always I get a

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little nervous betting a team a game after they shoot

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that well, particularly, you know, I just I just get

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a little nervous doing that. That that that would be

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my apprehension with the West Georgia side, especially now that

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they're playing on the road, you know, So, I mean

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the shooting regression can hit.

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Speaker 1: And I'll go to you, Rob, I just want to

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give you a chance to sort of chime in on

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that topic where it's like, now we've got some NC

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and data, how do you start getting away from the

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projections or I guess I'll just ask you a question,

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do you how long do you stick to your projections.

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Speaker 2: It's a great question because the projections can't really you

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can't form a lot of confidence in them when they're

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playing these bad non conference teams, right, I mean, like

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you said, we say it every day. What do we

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make of these games? We sort of toss them to

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the side. So, yeah, maybe they've played four or five,

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maybe only one or two have been real games. And

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it's hard to make a take a stance where you're

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going to stick to your projector well, let's say this,

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it's hard to make a stance where you're going to

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throw away your projection preseason after just seeing one or

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two games against a good team. Now, I will say this,

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somebody like Xavier, we can firmly say that if you

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thought Xavier was going to be good, you were dead wrong.

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They're not good. That's not to say they won't get

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a little better as the season goes on. But these

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are all so situational. Like everything else in sports betting,

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you have to kind of treat them one by one

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and not under a huge umbrella saying all of my

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projections are you know, not going the way I thought.

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I just want to say this real quick. When you

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do this, and some of this we do on the fly, right,

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games like this we do on the fly. I wouldn't

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know Tennessee Tech's free throw percentage off the top of

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my head until I just looked and saw that they

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shoot forty eight point six percent from the line, three

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hundred and sixty fifth in the nation. That's horrendous. So

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I'm going back to what I had said earlier. I

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like to know who's the culprit for shooting these miserable

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free throws. And in the case of Tennessee Tech, they

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haven't shot hardly any The leader on their team has

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shot seven free throws this year, so that number could

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be a little bogus when you have guys that even

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even shot five free throws this season, you know what

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I mean. So for Tennessee Tech, who knows this game.

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I won't play guys, But if I was going to play,

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I would play the head coach, John Pelfrey, and I

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would play it from an isolated angle of And you know,

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the total has come down from one fifty four and

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a half to one fifty and a half whatever at

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four point move and at some point there's always pushback,

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But for me, the pushback would be on the Tennessee

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Tech team total sits here at seventy six and a half.

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Adam mentioned the two games they've played against Western Kentucky

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and Charlotte. They posted seventy and sixty five against those

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two teams, you would think they could get to seventy seven.

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Against West Georgia, pace is going to be a little

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bit better and the defense certainly isn't going to be

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as good. One thing that's negated here real quick looking

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at the analytics, Tennessee Tech has a real problem ball handling,

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but West Georgia doesn't take it away from anybody, So

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maybe that problem gets negated here in Tennessee Tech gets

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to seventy seven, that would be my best look. And

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believe me, guys, that's just a surface look on this game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll just put a bow on it here

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by saying Garth like that would be my bet in

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this game did make it's on my long list. If

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I was more confident on my gauge of these teams,

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because like they're not up in my neck of the

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woods as much, I don't do as much a sun

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or OVC, like, I'd be more inclined to bet a

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difference on my number to where the market is. But

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I'm just not. Now, let's say it was Jay buff

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I got you here, I see I see you. I

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know you're going to this game tonight I know we

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got to get you in here. And now let's say

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it was a game like this, Niagara Lemoyne, two teams

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I've I've seen a ton, I'd be far more inclined to, like,

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trust my number and fire on it. Brian Power. We

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saw Lemoine together last week. We did out Bowling Green.

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They didn't play a great second half, but I left

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more impressed with them than I already was. I actually

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think Leamoyne's gonna be pretty good this year. What was

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your takeaway from that game? How do you feel about

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the Dolphins?

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Speaker 3: I hope I'm not taking this from you, but okay,

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good because I think this could be pretty popular comment

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here by me a pretty popular comment for our comments section.

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By the way, guys, keep those comments coming. If you're

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watching us live, and if you're catching us on the replay,

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you can comment as well and we'll get back to

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you later in the day. But Lemoyne is gonna be

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my leg of today's parlay. I give me Lemoyne minus

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one oh five on the money line trig. They return

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home after three consecutive road games. Loved the situations, but

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they lost all three of those road games. You mentioned

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the one we were in attendance for at Bowling Green.

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He just looked at the final score. You're like, oh

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my goodness, they lose by twenty three as a twelve

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point dog. He must have not played ball. They were

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in that game for thirty minutes thirty plus, but it

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just fell apart late for him. They came out shooting

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the ball relatively well, and then just predictably when ice cold.

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I don't know if they were sick of those two guys,

477
00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:51,440
that guy yelling in the crowd or whatever he got

478
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,000
to him. I know, I know he's worth at least

479
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:58,880
a half point in there. But not only did they

480
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,039
were they competitive for more than a half at Bowling Green.

481
00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:05,240
They were competitive at Xavier easily covered at twenty five

482
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,519
point number. Now I think we're all uncovered the fact

483
00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:10,200
that Xavier is not going to be particularly great this year.

484
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,720
But still, if you're a team like Lemoyne to hang

485
00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:17,799
with them and only lose by five on the road,

486
00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:21,680
I think that's a good sign. The UMass game last

487
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,000
time out that didn't go well, but again that's their

488
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,960
third or three consecutive road games eventually, and they did

489
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,559
cover as fifteen and a half point dogs. They were

490
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,799
very If not for a horrible last five minutes against

491
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:36,079
Bowling Green Drink, Lemoyne could have gone three to zero

492
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:39,799
against the number on that road trip. Here they return home,

493
00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:43,319
they should be happy. I think they look at this say, hey,

494
00:24:43,599 --> 00:24:45,880
this is a game we can win. Let's get some

495
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,240
positive vibes going, Let's get this season point in the

496
00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:52,359
right directrection. And they're taking on a Niagara team off

497
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,319
back to back wins and covers outright upset at Binghamton

498
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,839
for Niagara. Then they cover the number as a favorite

499
00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:04,759
against Delaware date Niagara lost a ton from last year.

500
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,720
You guys are able to speak on that better than I.

501
00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:10,119
But one thing I can tell you is in the

502
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:16,000
NC State VCU game I reference. You know VCU struggles

503
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,000
on the glass. Well, Niagara gives up a lot of

504
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,319
second chance operating. They're not so good on the glass either.

505
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:28,559
So leamoy after three straight road games, three straight road loss,

506
00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:33,839
this trick returns home and the Dolphins go swimming for

507
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:36,000
a victory. That's my legati parlance.

508
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: The key to this game, Brian, what we need to

509
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:42,480
know is if Jay Buff is leading the team out.

510
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:44,559
That's what we need to know. If he's leading the

511
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:47,960
team out, you know, not to fade them as you know,

512
00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:50,279
you you learned that the hard way. You bet against

513
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,960
him when he led Syracuse out onto the court, and

514
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,599
I believe they ran NC State out of the building.

515
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,519
Maybe that's the Jay Buff we need to know if

516
00:25:58,519 --> 00:25:59,880
you're leading the team out of the floor.

517
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:04,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'll never forget that, Jay Buff. I've broke

518
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:08,519
broke the man's heart fading Syracuse. I didn't know, Jay Buff,

519
00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:11,119
that you were leading Syracuse on the court that game.

520
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,359
I don't, you know. I do follow you on Twitter,

521
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,359
but you know I.

522
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: Mean that in that gym, In that gym, you can

523
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,000
pretty much just walk. You could probably just walk in

524
00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:21,519
and say, hey, can we can we lead you your

525
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,880
you know the locker rooms right there. It's a glorified

526
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,640
high school, the Ted Grant Court. I believe it's called

527
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,480
over about thirty minutes from where I live. Nice little building,

528
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,400
an enjoyable place to watch a game as far as

529
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,880
Lamoyne is concerned. So my number came out right on

530
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,519
the number, which is like Niagara minus one. But historically

531
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,519
I always bump Greg Paulus up. I think Greg Paulis

532
00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:51,599
is a tremendous basketball coach. He every year he takes

533
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:55,640
it just a horrific roster with Niagara and turns it

534
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,240
into a less bad roster, like a less bad team. Right.

535
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:01,480
They're never never at the top of the league. But

536
00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:03,880
he takes a team that should finish at the bottom

537
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,759
of the league and finishes like seventh in the MAC

538
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,519
or like totally overachieves based on what he's got. My

539
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,279
problem with this Niagara team is is I think they

540
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,440
might I don't even know if he can do it

541
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:19,319
this year with this roster. I just don't have a

542
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,319
ton of of faith in what they have there. Every

543
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,720
year he pretty much loses his best couple of players.

544
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,920
It's just how it is at this point, and I'm

545
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,119
just not sure that there's that I have less optimism

546
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,160
around Niagara. I think they might finish at the bottom

547
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,640
of the MAC, whereas Lemoyne I think is going to

548
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,880
be pretty good of there. I think they're back competing

549
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,519
in the NEC. I think you know, their their coach,

550
00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:46,400
Nate Champion. It talked about the defense falling apart last year,

551
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,119
the quote unquote good players they lost. AJ Dansler goes

552
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,799
to bowling UH Coastal Carolina O Cipher Owens to Tarlatan State,

553
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,279
they weren't necessarily like defensive guys. I think the gonna

554
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,079
play better defense this year. I'm pretty much in on

555
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,880
the Moyn so, Brian, I am with you. I very

556
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,240
much agree with your parlay Leg and moy The only

557
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:12,200
reason I didn't play it is because I just Paulus

558
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,519
always kills me in these spots where he's always got

559
00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:17,039
his team ready to play. That's the only reason.

560
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 3: I mean, I just I just look at it from

561
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,119
the Lemoynes situation, and I'm sure a lot of people

562
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,240
in the chat looked it that way.

563
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: Rob.

564
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 3: I don't know what you think about this. You know,

565
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,519
a team returns home, they've just gotten beat three straight

566
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,240
times on the road. You just need him to get

567
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,200
the win here at home. It seems like an idea,

568
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:36,920
Like from a handicapping situation. It just seems like an

569
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,200
ideal spout to back the Dolphins here.

570
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll say real quick, guys, I mean, in

571
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,400
my world, the people who got it right right off

572
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,079
the bat were the guys who played under Adam. You

573
00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:51,759
mentioned Greg Paulis. Greg Paulis might be hey, you know

574
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:53,920
how he keeps his team good and relevant. They just

575
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:58,160
they shortened games. They're so slow, and you know, if

576
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,680
you're overmatched, slow the game down. I mean, make the

577
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,559
forty minutes go away, quicker, keep the score down. This

578
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,720
total's going from forty three and a half down to

579
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:08,720
thirty forty three to thirty nine and a half. I

580
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:12,160
still think there's room in this game. Brian, you talked

581
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,119
about Lemoinnes rebounding or excuse me, Niagara's rebounding, and they

582
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,640
just don't get second chances. It's a lot of one

583
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,119
and done through the analytics here, and if you're one

584
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,920
and done, some teams will take that rebound and run

585
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,680
with it. Lamoit's not necessarily going to get up and

586
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,240
go with the rebound, right, It's gonna come down their

587
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:34,279
methodical team too. I just to me, this game has

588
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:36,640
like sixty nine to sixty four written all over it.

589
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:39,960
One thirty three, one thirty five in that section right there.

590
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,440
Total's probably still too high. There's still some wig over them.

591
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,960
I think to play under here.

592
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, just to put a quick number of Niagara bottom

593
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,759
twenty in the country an offensive rebounding rate, so they're

594
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:55,119
not getting they're not getting a lot of second chances.

595
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just like again, that was a bad

596
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:03,319
defensive team last year in Lemoyne. They are much more

597
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:07,400
focused on being better defensively this year and or early

598
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,039
on like they they I'm really high on that Bowling

599
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:12,559
Green team we saw last week. I think they're gonna

600
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:15,400
be much better than people think. They're big. They have,

601
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,720
they have size like they Lemoyne hung in there until

602
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,720
they got like until Bowling Green just hit the haymaker

603
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,440
final ten minutes of the game, and I thought they

604
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,960
defended well in the first half. Like, uh, I'm buying Lamoyne.

605
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,839
So even though I didn't, I haven't played this yet.

606
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,720
I think you guys are on the right side. And

607
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,599
I know Jay buff is there. I know that's the

608
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,319
side he likes, and I'm very much in agreement with

609
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,759
you guys. And I'll say.

610
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:42,599
Speaker 2: One last thing on that game. I'll say one last thing, Brian,

611
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,599
you talked about the UMass covered. Let's not forget that's

612
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,799
a Frank Martin coach team at UMass and you're covered

613
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,240
against them. So all the accolades you guys have thrown

614
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:54,720
out about LeMoyne's Lemoinn playing pretty good against their schedule

615
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:57,160
so far. Maybe that's the most impressive when you go

616
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,599
up against a Frank Martin squad and cover and you're

617
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,880
lamoy and so just another reason for why maybe the

618
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,960
Dolphins are the right side here. And I don't think

619
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,839
the swimming dolphins. Adham has explained this to me before.

620
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:09,680
Dolphins do not swim.

621
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,119
Speaker 1: We don't have an ocean here in Sarah Houston, New York.

622
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,440
It is a religious reference, is how we got the

623
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,440
dolphin mascot.

624
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: We'll swim up to the heavens then, how about that?

625
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:21,240
Can we do that?

626
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:23,039
Speaker 2: Okay? There, we.

627
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,039
Speaker 1: Swim up to the window hopefully after you guys can Okay,

628
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:31,359
I want to go back to Rob here is kind

629
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:34,519
of a resident Missouri Valley guy. And so we've got

630
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,640
a couple of people asking about Drake College of Charleston.

631
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,880
The one thing I will say about Drake, as as

632
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,079
I tea this one up for you, Rob, is not

633
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,279
only well they clearly missed their head coach, who is

634
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:49,000
now the head coach of Iowa, but Owen Larson is

635
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:53,160
clearly their best player and he I've heard it's probably

636
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:56,920
mid December before he steps on the court for the Bulldogs.

637
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:04,000
They had a bad loss over the weekend to SIU Edwardsville.

638
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,880
I would say it's legit that they miss him a lot.

639
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,519
And I don't know if I could put a dime

640
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:12,839
on Drake right now because of that. So talk to

641
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,359
me Drake and then Chris Max College or Charleston team.

642
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: What do you think? Yeah, And for Drake, guys, Eric Henderson,

643
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:22,599
for what it's worth, South Dakota State was a really

644
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,839
good program in the summit under Eric Henderson. But it

645
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,920
is different when you're walking into Drake. He didn't necessarily

646
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,440
play this style. You want to have different recruits. Again,

647
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:35,200
it's the square peg into a round hole with Drake.

648
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:39,000
Right now, you come in, you have what's left over.

649
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:43,839
It's not necessarily what you want to work with. Personnel wise.

650
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,400
They go to the portal, you get some recruits, et cetera,

651
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,240
et cetera, but it takes time. Drake's results are not good, guys.

652
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:52,680
I mean, Simpson will throw o the way, but they

653
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,039
did just get beat by Edwardsville by two points sixty

654
00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:59,599
one fifty nine. So they couldn't even be Edwardsville at

655
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,160
drake Own game, so to speak, at least until Henderson

656
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,039
gets this thing his way lost to Bob Morrison overtime.

657
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:09,680
It's not a good team at this point in time.

658
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:12,160
And for Charleston, remember they played those back to backs

659
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,279
early on and then they had like six I don't know,

660
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,359
I should pull it up in front of me, but

661
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,279
I'm gonna guess that it was about five or six

662
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,960
days off and then they came out and routed their

663
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,720
next opponent. When Charleston can get out in the open

664
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:29,759
floor and go, and I think they're gonna have their

665
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:31,960
way here against Drake because, like I said, Drake to

666
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,839
me is in a somewhat of a transition period. They

667
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:37,880
don't really know their identity yet. Charleston knows their identity.

668
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,400
It's gonna be get out and go, get out and score.

669
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:43,880
Can you stop us? If they get a lead? A

670
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,720
slower side gets a little frustrated. No, the slow side

671
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:49,880
is always good when they're front running. It's not necessarily

672
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,039
as good when they're chasing. So to me, this play

673
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,720
just on handicapping one oh one angles and styles has

674
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:00,920
to go to Charleston. I think that's the way I

675
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,759
would play it. Guys, they're well rested again for this game,

676
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:10,840
and that arena. You know, it's not the toughest venue

677
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,159
in the country, but it's a tough arena to play

678
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,920
in Charleston. They've been good the last few years, so

679
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,559
I would think the money's correct here. The question would

680
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:23,400
be has the price gotten out of hand. I'm not

681
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,239
so sure it has, guys, because Charleston, because they score

682
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,639
so much, they can widen margin. Haven't played it, but

683
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,599
if I had to lean, I would probably still say

684
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,840
you get a shade of wiggle room with Charleston at

685
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,119
this point in the season. So College of Charleston or

686
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:41,400
nothing in that case for me.

687
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:46,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, Robi, you were correct. Charleston had five days off

688
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,440
before they hosted South Carolina State. They run them out

689
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,719
of the gym, winning by twenty seven as a seventeen

690
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,159
point favorite. So only one game in the last nine

691
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,320
days for Charleston after that, back to back they are

692
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,480
very well. My concern, and I think it is my

693
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,239
only concern with betting Charleston at this point, is the number,

694
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,840
as rob has mentioned, has got Now. We've talked about

695
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,360
this a lot of about it in a lot of

696
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,320
games the first two weeks of the show, where we

697
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,440
look like, oh, this number really seems like it's getting

698
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,719
a little rich and then it still doesn't matter and

699
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,840
the team covers every number, I don't know, more than

700
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,119
two possessions more than you know. You're looking at seven

701
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:30,280
and a half. Now, that's a several point move, and

702
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:34,320
when you look at the Drake side, extremely disappointing. Obviously,

703
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,320
they've failed to cover all three of their line games.

704
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,800
Rob mentions the overtime loss to Robert Morris. Tregg mentioned

705
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,719
the loss to SIU Edwardsville last time up. Both of

706
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,960
those were just two point losses. They were seven and

707
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,039
a half point favorites in those games. My concern with

708
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:51,519
betting the favorite right now is you're in a situation

709
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,239
the numbers moved, the underdog was favored in each of

710
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,199
its last two games, the underdog's coming up back to

711
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:03,719
back outright losses. So does the point spread, which what

712
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,920
we always call the great equal eyer here does it make?

713
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:08,280
Is there a point where all of a sudden, hey

714
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:10,960
this has gotten away. But hey, there are some teams

715
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,400
the books are just slow to catch on. I mean,

716
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,719
take a look at oh God, reference Loyola of Chicago. Right,

717
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,559
it doesn't matter, but the but that's a team that

718
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:22,800
just the books are just slow. That is just way

719
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,360
worse than everyone imagines. So maybe that's the case with

720
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,039
Drake too, But I would be hesitant about laying this

721
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:33,440
current number trag ye against the team off back to

722
00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:38,360
back outright losses as a favorite, I think eventually, unless

723
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,800
if the market was just that off on Drake, but

724
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:43,440
which could be the case, but I think I'll sit

725
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,920
on the sidelines for this one.

726
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think the market was that off on

727
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:51,360
Drake because I don't think they factored in how big

728
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,760
of a deal Owen Larson is, like he is the

729
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,679
best player on that roster. It's like not really close.

730
00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:01,320
And so to like you have Henderson come in, he's inheriting,

731
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:04,440
you know, he's he's trying to build a new roster.

732
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:08,039
You have this one guy that that would be like

733
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,039
the game changer that you could build around, and then

734
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:13,480
you find out that he's probably not gonna play until

735
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,119
you know. I don't I don't think it was like

736
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,199
fully known how long he would be out. I remember

737
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,960
hearing that he'd probably missed that field of sixty eight

738
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,000
opener when they played Northern Arizona. But like then on

739
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,960
one of the broad on one of the Drake broadcasts,

740
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,880
I think it was actually that one. They were like

741
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,159
probably mid novel mid or early to mid December. So

742
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,320
to me, the books did not factor that incorrectly because

743
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,519
he's very, very important to that team. Now, like you, Brian,

744
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:45,400
I looked they said, man, they might luck them their

745
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,519
way into a win at some point, like there's still

746
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:50,400
a good coach, great coach this there's like a great

747
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,719
coach for this level. And this is still a like

748
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,800
you got to think they're like a little bit capable,

749
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,519
so you know, I mean he come off of losses

750
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:02,159
to Robert Morrison and Edward words Ville. Like I knew

751
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:04,519
that that cole U. I knew I showed an edge.

752
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:07,480
What I knew minus four was the wrong number for

753
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:09,400
this game. I think four and a half or wherever

754
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,920
this opened for Charleston. Yes, I still couldn't bring myself

755
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,679
to click it, and now it's like, now I kind

756
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:18,000
of wish I did because it's like seven what is it? Seven?

757
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:18,960
Seven and a half.

758
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the thing is, though, you don't need him

759
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,840
to win, right, I mean, I mean, if Drake loses

760
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,280
this game by six, Drake covers the spread. I believe

761
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,400
that's how it worked, correct me if I'm wrong, exactly. Okay,

762
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:33,039
there you go, Okay.

763
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: Listen, Like I I kind of my gut tells me

764
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:38,880
Drake's gonna be a mess, and I'm kind of hoping

765
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,320
they are. I hope that Drake is awful until I

766
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,800
can get wind of Larson coming back, because I think

767
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,239
he'll be such an impactful player to them that the

768
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,519
second he's back, they'll be way way undervalued and I

769
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:54,840
think you can like start to make some some money

770
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,519
going forward. I'm like, Drake is like, because you know

771
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,920
mid December, you're probably maybe looking at either the UAB

772
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:04,360
game or the North Dakota Like, so here's early to

773
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,440
mid December for Drake, UAB, North Dakota State, Murray State

774
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,639
on the road to Evansville. If you know he's coming

775
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:13,519
back and you can beat the books to that, you'll,

776
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:15,199
I mean, you'll have a great bet there because they're

777
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,199
probably an underdog in every single one of those games. Yeah,

778
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,679
I just have no interest on him here, but I

779
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,480
don't want to really want to punch back either, So

780
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,679
I'm going to move it along and I'll go with

781
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,440
my parlay Lake. Your boy will be in the building

782
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,400
heading down to Albany tonight for Colgate Sianna, my alma mater,

783
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:38,800
can't wait. Very very excited about the Sienna team this year,

784
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,599
probably probably the most probably the highest I'd been on

785
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:47,760
a Sienna team since the year we well, when we

786
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,039
knew we had Jalen Pickett coming back. So of course, sadly,

787
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:54,239
Sienna is one of the teams that got robbed from

788
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,480
twenty twenty covid Uh they would they they had an

789
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,480
incredible team that year. They were gonna win the mac

790
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:03,519
tournament easily, and then of course that NCAA tournament was canceled,

791
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:07,239
so poor went out for teams like Dayton. You know,

792
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,039
Sianna was one of them. They would have been a

793
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:12,119
they would have probably I believe that was still we

794
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:16,000
still had jv On mccollumn that year. I mean it

795
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:18,199
was a team we had Jalen Pickett, jv On McCollum,

796
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,800
like they ended up going on to play in the

797
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,639
NBA at Penn State. McCollum ended up at Oklahoma and

798
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:27,280
Georgia Tech. I mean, don't even get me started, but

799
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,960
I'm very, very excited about this Sienna team. I think

800
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:35,360
McNamara has a loaded roster. I just think that they

801
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,679
are so much better than the market get well. The

802
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,079
market started to give them credit recently. But like they

803
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:46,320
came out smashed Bryant destroyed Brown. No contesting either of those. Now,

804
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,599
I do want to bring up the same Bottom Venture

805
00:40:48,639 --> 00:40:52,440
game because I think that final score is a tad misleading.

806
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:56,719
So first, that was a much closer game than the final.

807
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,199
Like Sianna was in that game for long stretches. They

808
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:02,000
actually led I think in the second half of that

809
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:06,000
game at one point, and a couple things won. Riley Mulvey,

810
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:09,039
they're seven foot center who comes off the bench, transferred

811
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:12,320
from Iowa, got hit in the head, never returned in

812
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,320
that game. Now, I don't think they need I know

813
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,159
they were like testing him for concussions. I don't think

814
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,480
even if he were to be out here, they don't

815
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,199
need him for this game. But they needed him in

816
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,000
the paint. Bonaventure crushed Sienna in the rim at that game,

817
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:29,760
just absolutely abused Sienna at the rim. It was the

818
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,119
difference in the game. Justice Shoutz went down. Believe he returned.

819
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,679
I think he ended up like limping off. It was

820
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,960
like scary for a minute, it looked like a non

821
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,960
contact injury. But he came back as far as I know,

822
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:44,800
he's gonna play tonight. So again, even if Mulvey were

823
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,079
to be out here, I just don't think he's like

824
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:50,519
someone that would be like that it would matter against Colgate.

825
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,920
He again, he's not in the starting lineup, he comes

826
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,519
off the bench, but they really needed that rim protector

827
00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:59,639
against Bonaventure. Now Colgate is going to be better than

828
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:02,960
they were last year. But I think, and I've said

829
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,840
this a couple of times on the show, the Entire

830
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,159
Patriot League, it is worse. And the reason that's happening

831
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,559
so I get. I get to go to Colgate press

832
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:14,320
conferences every once in a while when I go down

833
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,199
to a game there, not sure, not sure why they

834
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,360
let me in, but they do. It's always and I actually, Brian,

835
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,880
I asked a question at one not too long ago.

836
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,000
I was pretty proud of myself. But Matt langele head

837
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,079
coach of Colgate, said, you know, this is something he

838
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:32,360
talked about last year when Branden Smith decided to go.

839
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:35,239
I hope I didn't mess his name up. The one,

840
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:39,719
the one guard decided to go to Gonzaga sit out

841
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,280
the year he left Colgate and like what would have

842
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,280
been their best player, he decided to transfer to Gonzaga

843
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,239
and sit the year, and he basically said, like, this

844
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,199
is the first time I've lost a guy that wasn't

845
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:54,400
a grad transfer. So Colgate doesn't have grad school. So

846
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,119
like guys like Nelly Cummings, who was a great Colgate player,

847
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:59,719
transferred to pitt for his final year, but he was like,

848
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,000
this is the first time I've really lost my best player.

849
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,119
I think you're starting to see that all over the

850
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:07,039
Patriot League. Now. Noah Williamson from buck Noll goes to

851
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,559
Alabama and these rosters just aren't as good. So even

852
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:14,079
though Colgate is probably up near the top of that league,

853
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,320
like the MAC and Sienna Lake, they've got some nil money.

854
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,880
I know, we we paid players. Someone's driving around Albany

855
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,679
with a Sienna decal on their car right now, Like

856
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,840
they they've got some you know, some juice in their

857
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,719
their budget. Being able to bring Gavin Dotie back, like

858
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,880
this is a good roster. Colgate just doesn't have that.

859
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:35,480
I think there's starting to be a difference between those

860
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,559
two conferences Mac Patriot League, but the books still price

861
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:41,840
them out sort of similar. So I laid the six

862
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,440
here with Sienna. I made it eight and a half.

863
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:45,119
I was hoping to get a little bit of a

864
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:47,800
better number, but that is a play. That's a three

865
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,960
percent play for me, and that will be my parlay leg,

866
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:53,440
even though I think we might have to take a

867
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,280
worse number in the parl. Like and someone throw me

868
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,679
the current spread for Sianna Colgate. I think it's like

869
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,880
seven or six and a half.

870
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: I'm see, I'm seeing six and a half.

871
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: Give the kids six and a half.

872
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 3: We'll take give me six and a half. Draft Kings

873
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,480
and DraftKings and fan duel both at six.

874
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: And a half, right, And yeah, I mean, if you

875
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,599
guys want to throw anything in there, I just again, Hey,

876
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:17,760
I'll actually I'll lean on you guys because I'm I'm

877
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,880
so obnoxiously high on Sienna and I'm I'm clearly biased, right,

878
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,079
I went there, that's my team, that's my school. Do

879
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,000
you I'll throw it out to you. Do either of

880
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:30,079
you agree with my disagree with my assessment of Sienna?

881
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:33,480
Am I too high on this team in your opinion?

882
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:38,519
And you could say, no, Trigg, You're right, that's fine too, right.

883
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, you go ahead. I would say there's a

884
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:50,880
couple of things here that maybe affect the cnside. First

885
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,760
of all, it's been you know, the schedule hasn't been

886
00:44:55,599 --> 00:45:02,360
as overwhelming as maybe it could be Coldgate, though I

887
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:03,760
don't know, Adam. It's hard for me to make a

888
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,920
case for Coldgate here. In years past, I would have

889
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:11,679
I'm trying to get to some numbers here. Well, I'm

890
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:12,280
gonna say no.

891
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: Point, Rob to your first point, Brown and Brian are

892
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,920
both considerably down from what they were the last couple

893
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,519
of years, So I would agree with that those were

894
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:24,440
kind of cupcakes out the gate. I'll agree with you there.

895
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just you know, and my first look was

896
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,920
from a total's perspective, Adam, So I'm trying to go

897
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,159
over fort side for you here. I can't make an

898
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,360
argument against it. My initial reaction here in this game

899
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,280
was to go ahead and play this thing over. The

900
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:49,039
total problem for me is I keep the past Colgate

901
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,559
reference in my mind and it's really not the same.

902
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:56,400
Coldgate team hasn't been the same from distant shooting, you know,

903
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,880
the classic Colgate teams that we know. So I haven't

904
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,679
no play on it. I can't argue you off of Siena.

905
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:05,480
I think I might still lean a little bit over,

906
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:09,440
but I won't play the game. I'll pay well to

907
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,400
the audience. There, Boat, that's all I got.

908
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Brian, Yeah, so Sienna, here's I'll say one

909
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,599
thing for Ciena. I mean, they've done what they've done

910
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:22,679
so far despite not shooting well from three. And again

911
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,840
I've talked about that with a lot of games, not

912
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,199
just today, but in the first two weeks season. I'm

913
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,079
going to continue to talk about it through March.

914
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: Game.

915
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 3: You know, three point variant is a real thing in

916
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,199
this sport. And yes, there are some teams that just

917
00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:38,880
stink from three, and there are some teams who actually

918
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:42,199
are very good from three. But if you're having success

919
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,960
without shooting the three, well, eventually those shots from distance

920
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,519
are going to start going in. And if you're already

921
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:53,239
having success, that's actually a good thing. So I would

922
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,320
say that, you know, the way Sienna covers this number,

923
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,400
in my opinion, I thought, my personal opinon was the

924
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,239
number looked a little heavy. But the way Sienna covers

925
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,880
this number is if the threes are falling and it's

926
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,000
at home, so it's more that that's obviously at home

927
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,519
is where you are more likely all this where your

928
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:15,719
variance is is more likely to go pod.

929
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: So I think you just both made a really good

930
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,400
case for the over. And I'm not a huge totals guy,

931
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,440
but I so much agree with the over now for

932
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,320
a couple of reasons. One, this Colgate offense is better

933
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,480
than it was last year. They don't have Jeff Woodward

934
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:33,159
slowing them down anymore. Langle, he was so he played

935
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:38,079
behind Keegan Records until Keegan Records left, you know, graduated.

936
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,880
I think he graduated then Woodward was a starter. He's

937
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,360
just like big plotting six to eleven guy. He really

938
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,159
like took Coldgate out of what they how Langle likes

939
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:49,199
the space, the floor, and how fast he likes to play.

940
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,079
He's no longer there. So like Colgate's offense should be

941
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:54,599
much better overall this year and they should be able

942
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:56,800
to play a little faster. To go to your point,

943
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,880
Brian about the three point shooting, that's really not Sienna's ema.

944
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:02,039
Like they want to pick and roll. They can get

945
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:05,360
to the they want, you know, the dick. Gavin Dodie's

946
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:07,840
a freak show, Like he shouldn't even be in the

947
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,960
MAC at this point. So lucky to have him back.

948
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,440
He can get to the rim he just plays so hard,

949
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:15,679
great dribble penetration with their guards. But then they run

950
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,400
pick and roll with Tasmin Goodrick, who is the former

951
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,159
I think he came from cal Baptists or something, A

952
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:24,400
big Australian dude who they now have that actually is

953
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,280
starting over Maulvie. Everyone thought Maulvy was gonna be the

954
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,320
starting center coming from Iowa. But but Goodrook is the

955
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,440
guy that's been starting there. So if the threes fall,

956
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:36,880
see you, Cole gets losing by fifteen. Sorry, just like

957
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,000
if Sianna is hitting from three, this is not going

958
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:41,599
to be close. But and and so the fact that

959
00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:45,039
they haven't been falling yet is uh is interesting.

960
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 3: And I mean even if the who's not there, you

961
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,400
would expect the percentage to rise. And what it is

962
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:52,800
right now, I mean that's I mean, what a twenty

963
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,559
six point seven percent is very very low no matter

964
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:58,360
what kind of volume you're shooting again from distance?

965
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:02,519
Speaker 1: All right, I want to get back in here. We'll

966
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:05,280
dealer's choice to Robin if he wants to close this

967
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,960
parlay out, that's cool too. What game would you like

968
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:09,920
to talk about, Vina?

969
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 2: Well, I'll go ahead and close the parlay out at

970
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,960
him because I'm going to take a dog West Coast.

971
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:18,119
I think Oregon State plus thirteen and a half against

972
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:22,719
Oregon tonight. This Oregon start to the season is so

973
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,039
reminiscent of last year to me reading Dana Altman, coach.

974
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:31,039
Remember last year, guys, it was maybe still eight ten

975
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,960
games into the season where Dana Altman would tell any

976
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,119
reporter that wanted to put a microphone in front of

977
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,280
his face, We're not that good right now. We're not

978
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,679
that good right now. And yet the betting market never

979
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,559
really believed in that, and yet Oregon had such a

980
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,199
they came out at the end of the year, the

981
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,440
talent level rose but and perform the way it should.

982
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:55,039
But the same start is going on this year with Oregon.

983
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:58,079
They shot pretty well from three last game, but they

984
00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:01,920
haven't had dominant You know, when you have the guys

985
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,920
that they have, Shelstad and Biddle and company, you're supposed

986
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,280
to be a lot better than the results have shown

987
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,360
so far. And here we go again, Dana Altman saying,

988
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:12,920
I wish we were more aggressive. I wish we'd go

989
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:18,159
to the rim more problem, problem, problem, nothing really, you know,

990
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,840
coach doesn't like the way they're playing so far. One

991
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,960
team that played them really well early on last year

992
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,840
was Oregon State played the three points and reading a

993
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,960
couple of things earlier this morning. Wayne Tinkle obviously is

994
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,760
a heck of a coach right spent a lot of time.

995
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,119
I forget Montana, wherever it was at. It was one

996
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:40,880
of those big sky schools that I can't remember right now.

997
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,719
But what they did really well was they got to

998
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,440
Biddle and defended him really really well. And they sort

999
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,519
of do it cluster wise. They don't really do it

1000
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:53,400
one man wise. They do it cluster wise. One of

1001
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,960
the best ways to frustrate Biggs is to send a

1002
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,360
bunch of little gnats down there. When the ball is

1003
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,440
being held knee high waist, they just slap and bother

1004
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,559
a big guy. So I think they've got that in

1005
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,280
their minds that they know how to defend him. They've

1006
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,519
pulled out three really really close games. Oregon State has

1007
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:14,639
foul shooting. I think they've made four free throws at

1008
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:16,440
the end of the game. Josiah Lake is the guy

1009
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,280
who made the free throws. They're a pretty veteran backcourt,

1010
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,760
which is always crucial in a game like this. Couple

1011
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,880
of freshmen in that starting lineup, but it hasn't seemed

1012
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,159
to be a concern yet. They out defended North Texas

1013
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:33,079
when they beat North Texas by a little I just

1014
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:35,880
to meet thirteen and a half looked like a real lot,

1015
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,760
a pretty heavy price to pay with a favorite that

1016
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,840
again the coach is saying, we haven't even reached near

1017
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,079
our potential yet. I don't know that they reach it

1018
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:47,639
here against a team that's always going to consider themselves

1019
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:48,920
a little brother. If you want to talk about a

1020
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,519
rivalry where the underdog always gets up and maybe Oregon

1021
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:55,760
is the double digit favorite always thinks they're going to

1022
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,119
spank them. But I take that three point win last

1023
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:01,760
or excuse me, three point separation last year between these

1024
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,840
two teams as a real positive for Oregon State. And

1025
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,239
I like the way Oregon State has played close games.

1026
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,760
One close games, they can slow it down enough. Oregon

1027
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,199
shot real well from three the previous game, but they're

1028
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,519
probably gonna have to do that again to create a

1029
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:21,280
ton of separation here, and I don't know that they can.

1030
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,440
So for me, guys, the third leg of the parlor

1031
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,639
here is going to be Oregon State plus thirteen and

1032
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:27,039
a half.

1033
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,039
Speaker 1: All right, I can't disagree with that. I thought that

1034
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:38,960
was a great breakdown. We have eight minutes left, so

1035
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:41,960
I will recap the parlay at the end, but let's

1036
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:44,440
we go quicker through a couple of games. So someone

1037
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,039
complimented my zip up right here and said, nice zip

1038
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:51,840
up country club you this is the high Point University

1039
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,920
zip up. They are correct. This is probably the nicest

1040
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,559
campus I've ever been to, so certainly the nicest building

1041
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:00,480
I've ever been to. The Cuban Center or this game

1042
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:05,159
will be played tonight, is an absolutely tremendous building. And

1043
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,960
I so, you know, they come off of the that

1044
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:13,159
they come off of the loss to UAB, and I

1045
00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:16,159
want to pull up something I texted you guys before

1046
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:19,320
that game, see if I can find it. And it

1047
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:24,199
was it was essentially like how few games High Point

1048
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,719
have played against like non Q three Q four competition

1049
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,239
over the last few years. And it kind of alluded

1050
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,239
to something we brought up on the show on Friday,

1051
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,960
which was their last game, where hey, like, maybe you know,

1052
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:42,480
don't don't count UAB out, especially at the as a

1053
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:47,000
dog against a team that that typically smashes these like

1054
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,960
Q three Q four type teams well, what happened. Uab

1055
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,679
ran them out of the gym. Now high Point, back

1056
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,519
on their home floor, back in their home gym against

1057
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:03,440
a easy, easy Q four. Canisius is bad. They've been

1058
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,880
bad for a while. They'll be one of likely be

1059
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,920
one of the worst teams in the Matt Conference again

1060
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,280
this year. So I do think at the open it

1061
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,920
was probably a decent play. I'm kind of right on

1062
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,000
the number right now with high Point, but you couldn't.

1063
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:21,559
You could not pay me to take Canisius here. I

1064
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:25,159
think this has high point thirty point win written all

1065
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:27,760
over it. So wanted to touch on that one and

1066
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,239
then we have If you guys want to comment on that,

1067
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,480
that's fine. But also, Brian, someone's asking me about Lafayette

1068
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,599
West Virginia. I know you've had you guys have both

1069
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:40,199
had good. West Virginia takes anything with another big spread

1070
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:40,760
right there.

1071
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been talking Rob and I about West Virginia

1072
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:49,559
playing slough obviously with the coaching change. But my gut

1073
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,760
when I looked at this and the market seems to

1074
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,920
get courr here is this could be West Virginia's first

1075
00:54:53,920 --> 00:55:00,000
over Lafayette. I think the comment drig was that lafayet

1076
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:03,199
At stinks and where Lafayette and I would concur with that.

1077
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,840
Where Lafayette stinks is defensively three Division one opponents. So far,

1078
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:14,199
they've given up eighty five, ninety seven, and ninety seven. Now,

1079
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:16,840
if West Virginia gets a big lead, do they slow

1080
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,880
it down? I think that's the concern with betting the

1081
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,760
over here. But the number is pretty short, or the

1082
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:25,119
total part of me is pretty low. I would actually

1083
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:26,280
look to an over here.

1084
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is. And of course we talked about Lafayette.

1085
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,880
I gave out Cornell on the show last week, easy

1086
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:36,559
twenty something point winner, and one of the things I

1087
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:39,199
referenced was, you know, they've had seven foot or justin

1088
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,760
Vanderban there for a couple of years. They no longer

1089
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,400
have him, and they I mean, Cornell wasn't even I

1090
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,079
didn't even think they've played great in that game. I

1091
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:48,679
thought they took a lot of bad shots and they

1092
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:53,519
were just getting second chances. It was Lafayette couldn't, couldn't

1093
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:55,639
get a stop once that that game got in the

1094
00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:57,960
flow of the game, and I think they will will

1095
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:01,119
likely to struggle to get here. I'm gonna go to

1096
00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:03,360
rob to close it out before we recap the parlay.

1097
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,679
Rob is our West Coast degenerate special guy, So we've

1098
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,360
got to go to him and see if he's got

1099
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,760
one more that can keep us up late tonight. Are

1100
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,320
you looking at anything else on the West Coast tonight, Rob.

1101
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, real quick, guys. Cal State bakers Field against Portland

1102
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:24,039
State here. Remember Bakersfield just played in Mississippi. They kind

1103
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:27,440
of list this as the Rod Barnes Farewell Tour, even

1104
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,719
though Rob Barnes isn't the coach of cal State Bakersfield.

1105
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:33,840
But there's Sandwich here with Portland State in between games

1106
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:39,599
where they're gonna play Mississippi Valley State after this. So

1107
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:42,880
my theory was this, it's a tough road trip to

1108
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,519
begin with, to get down to Oxford, come all the

1109
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:48,400
way back play Portland State. It's a contrast in styles

1110
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,920
here Portland State. For what it's worth, the results have

1111
00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:55,079
been really good. Stanford and San Francisco are two good

1112
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:58,880
basketball teams, and they played each one of those to

1113
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,679
ten points. Now they get somebody in their wheelhouse who

1114
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,360
likes to go slow that they can run with, that

1115
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,079
they can run against, let me put it that way,

1116
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,400
on their home floor, off along road trip. I think

1117
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,519
there's two ways to look at this. Either Portland State

1118
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:14,800
minus the six and a half because I think Bakersfield

1119
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,400
may get fatigued late second half here, or Portland State

1120
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,280
team total which has now been bent down to seventy

1121
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,599
three and a half because the overall total has come down,

1122
00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:26,800
so Portland State pays a penalty as well. Their team

1123
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,239
total goes down as the full game total comes down.

1124
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,840
And that full game total comes down simply based off

1125
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,480
of Bakersfield slow footed numbers. I don't know that that's

1126
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:37,840
going to be the predominant force here in this game.

1127
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,760
I think Portland State will run. Portland State will get

1128
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,760
the temple they want at home. I've talked about that

1129
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,960
a zillion times about how I think home teams get

1130
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,920
tempo more often than not to go their way. I

1131
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,960
think Portland State will have it here if there is

1132
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,719
some travel fatigue, so guys I would look if you're

1133
00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:55,360
going to stay up late. There's two ways to look

1134
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,679
Portland State minus six and a half or Portland State

1135
00:57:57,719 --> 00:57:59,840
over seventy three and a half team total. Me being

1136
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,280
a totals guy, I prefer the latter, but I'll give

1137
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,079
you two ways to look at that one.

1138
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: All right, and and we've given you a couple different

1139
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,360
ways to look at plays here. I'm gonna gonna, oh,

1140
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,559
go ahead, Brian, Yeah, we got.

1141
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,159
Speaker 3: Time thumbs up there. That's all just concurrent.

1142
00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:19,599
Speaker 1: So no, it's all good. Uh, I guess we'll close

1143
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:22,159
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1144
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1146
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1147
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1148
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1149
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:43,199
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1150
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:47,800
we sign off. So I used Ciena minus six as

1151
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,280
my part, minus six and a half as my parlay

1152
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,440
leg That is a three percent play for clients, but

1153
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,559
we played it at minus six. So just just you

1154
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:59,760
know disclosure there, we played minus six. We're gonna use

1155
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,039
six and a half in the parlay. Brian Power says.

1156
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:06,559
The Lemoine Dolphins, our guy Jay Buff will be in attendance,

1157
00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:10,480
hopefully leading them out to the floor, hopefully grinding a

1158
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,760
home of victory for us there, he says, Lemoine plus

1159
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,320
one and a half, and then we're headed out west,

1160
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,440
hopefully to close out a three teamers since we didn't

1161
00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:21,199
hit any three teamers last week. However, we're still I

1162
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:23,480
think plus ten point two to two units on the

1163
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:26,760
season on these Vino says we're gonna close it out

1164
00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:30,239
with Oregon State plus thirteen and a half. So Lamoine

1165
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:32,679
plus one and a half, Cianna minus six and a half,

1166
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:35,840
Oregon State plus thirteen and a half. Check out what

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1169
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1170
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