WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:07.240 It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:11.320 Thank you very much, Nicole, and Happy New Year to you, Nicole. 3 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:13.679 First time we had a chance to do the handoff 4 00:00:13.679 --> 00:00:16.399 here at eight oh six or so. My name is 5 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:19.239 Dan Ray. As we head toward the midnight hour, four 6 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:22.199 hours of Nightside coming up later on tonight, we'll talk 7 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:25.800 with some very interesting guests. Not that we won't talk 8 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:29.320 with interesting guests in the first hour tonight, but we 9 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:34.799 will be talking with Massachusetts State Senator Nick Collins about 10 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:38.320 his fiscal fight, if you will, with Boston Mayor Michelle Woop. 11 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:41.000 Then we will talk with an author of former assistant 12 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:43.280 secretary of State. His name is Robert Charles, a New 13 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:50.240 England and native New Englander who worked for several presidents 14 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:53.240 in the Secretary of State's office as an assistant Secretary 15 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:55.759 of State. And he has just written a new book 16 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:59.560 called Cherish America. And certainly in the wake of what 17 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:03.280 we saw happening in the happened last night or yesterday morning, 18 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:06.159 I should say early yesterday morning in New Orleans, very 19 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:11.079 well timed interview with my guest, the author of Cherish America. 20 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:13.000 I kind of imagine why anybody who lives in this 21 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:16.879 country would have done with that that that fool did 22 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:19.680 in in New Orleans. We'll get to that later. We 23 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:24.120 have four guests tonight in the first night Side News 24 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:26.280 update of the year. By the way, Rob Brooks is 25 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.480 back back in the control room tonight. Welcome back, Rob, 26 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:31.799 Happy new year to you as well. And we will 27 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:36.239 get right to our four guests, starting off with Martin Fien. Now, 28 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:40.719 Martin is talking about and is very concerned about a 29 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:45.599 big increase in the deer population here in New England. 30 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:49.519 Uh and uh, it's a it's a consequence not only 31 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.200 to the deer, but it's also in consequence of consequence 32 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.640 to us. He's with, he's the Massachusetts Wildlife's deer biologist. Martin. 33 00:01:57.719 --> 00:01:59.280 What's going on with the deer? 34 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:04.840 You know, in general, deer populations have been rising across 35 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:08.439 a lot of in the Northeast and particularly across southern 36 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:12.400 New England, But in the urban areas around Boston and 37 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:16.520 Worcester and Springfield, we've really seen deer densities rise with 38 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:18.639 restrictions around hunting access. 39 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:24.759 So as we have prevented or made it more difficult 40 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.960 for the deer hunters to get into the woods and 41 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:34.000 bag a deer that obviously has annured to the to 42 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:36.879 the benefit I guess from the existence of the deers, 43 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:41.759 but of the deer. But there are consequentially some other problems, 44 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:46.280 which I assume include deer strikes on the roads. What's 45 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:48.840 the downside? I mean, a lot of people are anti hunting, 46 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:51.240 as you know, and they do not feel it's fair 47 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:54.319 for the hunters to go into the woods. I don't 48 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:59.599 necessarily abscribe to that viewpoint, but many people feel that way. 49 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.879 What do the hunters accomplish and what are we preventing 50 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:03.960 them from accomplishing? 51 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:05.840 Yeah. 52 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:09.599 Really, when we're managing deer populations, we're first and foremost 53 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:12.800 doing it from a conservation perspective. When you have over 54 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:18.199 abundant deer, it has really negative impacts on forests. Essentially, 55 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:20.800 the deer when they become overabundant, will start eating all 56 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:24.280 of the new growth when trees are having seedlings growing 57 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:27.199 up the saplings, and so when you have that, you 58 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.319 essentially have no ability for new trees to eventually grow 59 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:33.319 up into mature trees. And once you have the mature 60 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:36.680 canopy fall just with age. If you don't have that 61 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:41.520 force regeneration occurring, eventually you lose really force in general, 62 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:46.280 and so it's really critical when we're talking about suburban 63 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:50.639 areas where already force become a patchwork around all the 64 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.840 different developments and such. If we want to preserve those areas, 65 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.599 it's really critical to address over abundant deer Otherwise you 66 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:01.080 lose that habitat for all this species that you have 67 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:03.439 within the understory as well, because each of those little 68 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:07.400 habitats within the understory and the canopy are where all 69 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:10.840 the other wildlife lives. And so that's really the conservation impact. 70 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:14.680 The other thing in Massachusetts, no. 71 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:16.800 No, I'm sorry, I have a follow up question there, 72 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:17.319 but go ahead. 73 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:20.800 The other thing that we deal with in Massachusetts is 74 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:24.199 the impact on coastal erosion. So we're already dealing with 75 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:26.800 a lot of erosion due to climate change on Antucket 76 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.920 and Martha's Vineyard, but just from regular deer behavior, they 77 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:34.439 end up essentially creating game trails all throughout the areas 78 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:37.439 that they move around the landscape, and on those islands, 79 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:40.199 those game trails become cleve points where the edges of 80 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:43.519 the islands are already regularly falling off. Here about houses 81 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:47.160 that are having to be moved and really major implications 82 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:50.399 on both islands, and with the deer, we're also seeing 83 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:53.639 them being an additive impact on top of already the 84 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:55.439 impacts from climate change. 85 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:59.600 So essentially sounds to me like you're describing a political 86 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:05.639 problem that there there has to have been some limitations 87 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:10.399 put on the hunting community, which is a political decision. 88 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:14.480 How does this get get changed, how does this balance 89 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:15.199 get restored? 90 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:20.800 You know, some of this is certainly political, particularly at 91 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.360 the local municipal level that's where a lot of the 92 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:27.560 decisions are made around different kinds of implement restrictions or 93 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:31.240 land access. But some of this is also just an 94 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:35.040 educational piece where many folks come from urban areas where 95 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:37.000 you know, if you're coming from Boston, you may never 96 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:39.639 have been exposed to hunting in your entire life. That 97 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:41.879 was certainly my case that came from the city of Milwaukee, 98 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.120 was never exposed to hunting and really didn't understand how 99 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:47.079 important it is from a management perspective. And that's really 100 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:49.360 what we try to do, is try to work with communities. 101 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:53.519 The other thing is by really grounding deer management in 102 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:56.600 something that people understand, and that is really you know, 103 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:00.319 providing food to the table and this Two years ago 104 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.439 we launched our Share the Harvest program where hunters can 105 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.879 actually donate their deer to one of our processors that 106 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:09.120 we pay to have the deer process, and then those 107 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:12.079 actually go to food banks throughout the state. Through this program, 108 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:14.839 we've now served more than fifty thousand meals across the 109 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:18.519 state and it's really showing to many folks in many 110 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.040 urban areas that have never been exposed to hunting how 111 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:25.800 critically important they can be to addressing food and security 112 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:28.279 and not in the state at the same time addressing 113 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:29.439 those conservation needs. 114 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:34.519 Okay, last question, I don't know if you can quantify this, 115 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:40.079 but either in terms of how many deer should be 116 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:45.639 taken again I'll use that euphemism, how many more deer 117 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:50.800 need to be taken or what percentage of deer need 118 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:52.959 to be increased? Put this in some sort of figures. 119 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.639 Are we talking about the difference of a couple one 120 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:58.319 hundred deer will bring everything in balance? Or is it 121 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:00.319 a more significant number than that. 122 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:03.879 It's a much more significant other than that. So, like 123 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:08.040 our average annual deer harvest across Massachusetts is usually right 124 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:11.240 in the fifteen thousand to sixteen thousand range now, and 125 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:14.920 so really to be able to bring balance in particularly 126 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:16.839 the eastern portions of the state, we would have to 127 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:22.240 see significant rises in the multiple thousands to really just 128 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:27.480 stem growth, let alone bring densities back down to healthy levels. 129 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.959 You're talking about getting it from fifteen to sixteen thousand 130 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.240 a year up to what twenty or twenty five thousand 131 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:33.480 a year. 132 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:38.279 Yeah, certainly into those ranges would be necessary to just 133 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:39.040 stem growth. 134 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:45.279 Okay, and how can that be accomplished if you have 135 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:51.319 to fight at every local city councilor board of aldermen. 136 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:55.160 Is there something that the state legislature could do with 137 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:58.000 a broad stroke, because it sounds to me like this 138 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:03.759 is a very you see, this is a very serious problem. 139 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:06.040 The legislative routes. The things that are certainly barriers to 140 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:11.800 hunters include setback restrictions, which are that you have to 141 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:14.399 be at least five hundred feet away from an occupied 142 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:17.439 dwelling to be able to hunt, and that includes even archery. 143 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:20.600 So reducing that setback would really help in those suburban areas. 144 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:23.879 In particular, there's a restriction on Sunday hunting, which is 145 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:27.160 another one that certainly impacts you know, folks who have 146 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:29.079 to work six days a week, not being able to 147 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:32.440 hunt on Sundays is a major barrier. And then lastly, 148 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:35.679 there's a barrier with crossbows where you can only use 149 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:38.559 a crossbow if you're permanently disabled. And many folks in 150 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:41.559 urban areas where you do have implement restrictions not along 151 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:44.960 the firearm, would hunt with a crossbow if they were allowed. 152 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:48.919 To be Okay, let's let us do this, Martin. Let 153 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:55.960 me have my my producer get in touch with you. 154 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.519 Maybe we'll do an hour on this, because this sounds 155 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:02.440 to me like a much more important problem than I understood. 156 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:06.279 And let's take some phone calls and maybe try to 157 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:09.120 educate people or give you an opportunity to educate people 158 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:12.080 in a more in a longer format, an hour with 159 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:14.559 phone call listener participation. 160 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.000 Fair enough, Yep, I'm good. 161 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:19.799 Okay, Martin Fien, we will set that up. Thank you 162 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:23.960 very much, Martin Fiann of the Massachusetts Massachusetts Wildlife's Dear 163 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.799 Biologists will be back on nights. We have two segments 164 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:32.320 coming up dealing with New Year's resolution resolutions, the psychology 165 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:36.159 behind them and also what do you need to make 166 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:39.120 them successful. We'll talk about those as well as some 167 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:42.720 tips on protecting yourself in large crowds. You should understand 168 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:45.440 why that is so important after what happened in New 169 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:49.039 Orleans earlier this week. My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside. 170 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:52.600 We are back on track here right after this a 171 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:56.000 couple of messages here on w Z Boston's news radio. 172 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.759 Now back to Dan Ray live from the window world 173 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.039 Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 174 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:08.759 All right, New Year's resolutions. We may talk about those 175 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:14.039 later tonight. Everyone makes them, very few keep them. Let's 176 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:16.840 talk now with Professor John Kelly. He's a professor of 177 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:21.799 psychology at Endoclott College, one of my favorite schools. Professor Kelly, 178 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:26.799 what is indeed the psychology behind New Year's resolutions? Why 179 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:29.320 do we feel we have to make those every year 180 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:33.240 because we are so most of us spectacularly unsuccessful. 181 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:36.759 Well, first, cheth, thanks for having me on tonight, Dan, 182 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:40.159 I really appreciate it. I do think part of it is, 183 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:42.799 you know, it's a custom. So we you know, we're 184 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:46.240 creatures of habit, and so we all kind of feel 185 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:48.919 motivated to just do what other people do. But I 186 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:50.279 agree with you, it's a real problem. 187 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:50.519 You know. 188 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:53.559 I was actually at the gym this afternoon, and like 189 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:56.080 every year, it was packed and it was difficult for 190 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.720 me to complete my workout because there's a lot more people. 191 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.000 And for one month that'll be true or so, and 192 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:02.960 then a lot of people will will stop. So it's 193 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:07.720 definitely a problem. Making resolutions is easy. Keeping them is 194 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:12.120 really the problem. I can speak a little bit more 195 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:13.759 to that. I mean, I think part of it is 196 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:18.200 that people make resolutions that are are unrealistic. I think 197 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:20.039 we should be looking for sort of what you would 198 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:24.320 call the Goldilocks kind of resolution, not to not to 199 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:25.399 you know, not. 200 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:30.480 I use that phrase in many respects. Go right ahead, 201 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:31.679 I know exactly what you're going to. 202 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:34.399 Say, absolutely, you know. And I think just even just 203 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:38.639 the idea of resolutions, I think people I don't know, 204 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:40.440 you know, I think it's I don't tend to make 205 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:42.600 a lot of resolutions. I see it more as you know, 206 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:45.720 it's better to have a kind of a change in 207 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:47.799 your life. Like people will say, Okay, I'm going to 208 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:51.159 lose fifty pounds and you know, look great for the summer, 209 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.159 and that's my goal, and they set this really unrealistic 210 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:57.200 kind of resolution, and even if they were to succeed, 211 00:11:57.840 --> 00:11:59.919 it's not something you know that you get to a point, 212 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:02.039 You get to that end point and then you sort 213 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.600 of stop. You know, it's much better for people's health 214 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:07.879 to sort of change your health as a kind of ongoing, 215 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:11.759 kind of permanent change rather than you know, an extreme 216 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:14.080 kind of change that you try to come up with 217 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:16.279 it with a resolution. I think that's the really But by. 218 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.960 The way, by the way, I must say that that 219 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:22.639 is why I endorse Awake. In one eighty I lost 220 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:25.759 thirty five pounds. It wasn't through a New Year's resolution. 221 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:30.360 But the program that we endorse here at Night Side, Yeah, 222 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:33.360 teaches people that it is a long term solution, and 223 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.120 it's not just to get somewhere. It's to get somewhere 224 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:39.120 to where your ideal weight is and stay there. 225 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:43.000 Same way, agree completely, and you're trying to get to 226 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.600 a point where this becomes a lifestyle. It's the way 227 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.159 that you're approaching is not a temporary thing. And I 228 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:51.720 think that's the problem with resolutions. They're sort of they're 229 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:53.720 not set up that way. At the beginning, the person 230 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:55.320 doesn't think this is going to be temporary. But I 231 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:59.799 think they often set such high high goals and then 232 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:02.240 the isn't like what you're saying, a program that you 233 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:05.080 can follow through to make sure that this actually happens. 234 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:08.480 Now, when you talked about the Goldielock the Goldilocks solution, 235 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:12.360 it's sort of not too hard, not too not too easy, 236 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:15.360 just right. I mean, some people say, well, my New 237 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:17.879 Year's resolutions would be to climb Mount Everest. They have 238 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:19.720 never climbed the Blue Hills. How are they going to 239 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:25.039 climb Mount Everest? It's it's impossible, or that My new 240 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:29.159 year's resolution is I'm going to brush my teeth at 241 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:31.240 least once a day. Well, here should brush your d 242 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:33.120 at least once a day. You don't need a New 243 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:36.679 Year's resolution to do that. Are there's some resolutions that 244 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:40.240 you that you advise people that if they're serious, that 245 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:44.559 there's there's some that that are achievable and actually can 246 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:47.440 have a positive impact. Are there any that from your 247 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:49.559 studies have come to would come to mind quickly? 248 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:53.039 I mean, I think really this is all about expected 249 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:55.720 One of the things I study is expectations. It's trying 250 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:59.080 to manage expectations. So it doesn't really matter what the 251 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:02.919 resolution is, but your expectations have to be in that. Again, 252 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:06.200 that sort of goldilock zone where you're not setting something up. Well, 253 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:07.799 you say, I'm gonna lose fifty pounds in the next 254 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:10.240 three months, but in your head you know this is 255 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:12.720 never going to happen. Probably you know that, and so 256 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:14.919 you don't have this kind of the motivation is not 257 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:19.240 necessarily there. And the opposite would be something that's too small. 258 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:20.879 I oh, I just want to brush my teeth once 259 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:22.960 a day or something like that. You need some sort 260 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:27.399 of moderately difficult thing where there's constant feedback too. Right, 261 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:30.639 you can see each week or each you know, period 262 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:34.200 of time that you're making progress towards that goal rather 263 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:36.200 than and as you said, right, not that there's a 264 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:38.960 final goal. And you know it's sort of all or nothing. 265 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:42.759 It has to be kind of, you know, good enough 266 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:45.320 each step along the way, good enough if you get 267 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:47.120 to the gym, even if you don't work out as 268 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:50.159 hard as you intended to, you got there. You know, 269 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:53.360 it's consistency, it's habit, kind of boring in a way, 270 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:55.519 you know, and that but that's what it is. You 271 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:59.240 have to make sure that you continue this on a 272 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:00.120 regular basis. 273 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:04.120 I call it January. Sometimes at the gym it's Amateur 274 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:05.320 Hour and people community. 275 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:08.519 I don't like to be too negative about it because 276 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:11.639 I'm hopeful some fraction of those people will will succeed, 277 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:13.519 you know, and get where they want to be. But 278 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:15.679 you're right, there's a lot of people who show up, 279 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:20.639 and you know, it's great that they're making an effort 280 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:23.240 and maybe some at some point it'll actually work, you know. 281 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:25.360 But I think there has to be more of a plan, 282 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:26.000 you know. 283 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:29.879 And I never did a New Year's resolution on gym 284 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:32.399 going to the gym, but all of a sudden, about 285 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:34.679 ten or twelve years ago, I kind of said, I 286 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:36.360 got to get back in the gym and work out, 287 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:40.080 and so I did, and it's been very consistent. As 288 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:42.600 a matter of fact, in twenty nineteen, the year before COVID, 289 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:44.600 I actually hit the gym three hundred and sixty three 290 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:48.759 days out of that calendar year, which I can never 291 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.120 repeat because I'm just too busy. But the one New 292 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:54.559 Year's resolution that I made that came back to haunt me, 293 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:57.799 and I will admit to this. This has to be 294 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.679 I'm guessing maybe twenty years ago I said I'm going 295 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:06.159 to have a dry January, and dry January worked out, 296 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:08.279 and I said, yeah, make it a dry February. What 297 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.960 about a drying March? And I got to Saint Patrick's 298 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:13.360 Dany said, let me see if I can get to 299 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:17.679 April first, and unfortunately I woke up one morning with 300 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.559 kidney stones. And because really I had not been supplementing, 301 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:27.360 you know, enough liquid, the liquids all my God stayed 302 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:32.480 away from. I had not you know, supplemented with just water. Yeah, 303 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:36.960 and so I was successful, but too. 304 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:41.039 Successful unintended consequences, right right, right, Yeah, you. 305 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.360 Got to think about stuff like that even. 306 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:45.840 And I don't and I don't think it's and I 307 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:47.879 don't think it's a one size fits all. I think 308 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:50.519 that you have to find the right thing for you. 309 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:53.559 And so I think there is no absolute'll here's you know, 310 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:55.519 the Goldilocks thing or something. I mean, I think that's 311 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:57.840 good advice, but I think you know what works, because 312 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:00.399 some people like what you're talking about. Struck the thing 313 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:02.799 you said about the gym. Some people are like that. 314 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:06.119 They go every day, you know, three sixty five, and 315 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.559 they're kind of addicted to it almost, and so long 316 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:10.720 as it doesn't get completely out of hand, it works 317 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:14.200 for them. And if that was you, that's that's the thing. 318 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:16.079 But other people that they can't, you know, that doesn't 319 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:16.559 work for them. 320 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:20.079 I've cut it back to like I do four or 321 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:24.279 five six times a week, which is which is adequate. 322 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:25.880 And I also think that as you get a little 323 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:27.359 bit older, you need a couple of days of rest 324 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:27.720 every once. 325 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:30.039 I think that's right. And I think I do something similar, 326 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:32.319 which is say I plan to try to go every day. 327 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:34.279 I say in my head, okay, this week. Every week, 328 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:35.599 I try to say I'm going to try to go 329 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:37.480 each day, but I know that I'm going to miss 330 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:40.519 one or two because of work, because you know, things happen, 331 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:42.880 and that's okay. So if I get there five times 332 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:45.880 or six times, good enough, you know, Because I think 333 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:48.599 that's another problem people have. They say I have to 334 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.039 be perfect on this new New Year's resolution, and when 335 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:54.559 they fail to be perfect, they kind of just let 336 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:56.440 the whole thing go, as opposed to saying, you know, 337 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.000 that's good enough, I'm moving in the right direction, that's 338 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:00.559 what you want. 339 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:04.079 I think there's a phrase life happens. You know, that's 340 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:06.559 the day you have a flat tire, the day that 341 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.079 you have to go to the store or whatever. Life 342 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:13.200 Life simply happens, Doctor Kelly. Again, I'm a huge fan 343 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:16.480 of Endicott College, a great fan of Doc Wiley who 344 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:20.039 put that school back on track thirty years ago. 345 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:20.759 Wonderful buss. 346 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:23.920 Yeah, it is a fabulous place, a school that I 347 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:27.480 recommend highly for every parent to look at for the kids. 348 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:30.799 And I think the simply the most beautiful campus in 349 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:31.640 all of New England. 350 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:33.000 If it all it is extraordinary. 351 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:36.799 Yes, absolutely, doctor John Kelly. I appreciate the opportunity we've 352 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:38.720 had you before. We'll have you back again. Thank you 353 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:39.119 so much. 354 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:41.279 Thanks, thanks Dan very much, have a good evening. Bye bye. 355 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:43.519 You very welcome. They had all my friends up at Endicott. 356 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:46.400 And when we get back right after the news at 357 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:50.400 eight thirty, we're going to talk about the things the 358 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:53.519 need that you need to succeed in New Year's resolutions. 359 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:55.079 We're going to talk with them Ober the Boston College 360 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:57.960 faculty about the three things you need to succeed. So 361 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:00.000 if you make a resolution, you want to listen up 362 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:02.440 and stay with us right through the news. My name 363 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:05.680 is Dan Ray. This is Nightside. It is a Thursday night, 364 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:09.799 January second this year is just the fly and by 365 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:13.000 back on Nightside right after the break at the eight 366 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:13.960 thirty newscast. 367 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:19.720 You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z, 368 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:21.359 Boston's news radio. 369 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:25.079 So just a moment. A moment ago, we were speaking 370 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:30.599 with professor and doctor John Kelly of Endicott College about 371 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:33.640 the psychology behind New Year's resolutions. We're now I'm going 372 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:39.200 to talk with doctor Matt Popsol. Have I got that correctly, Matt? 373 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:42.240 I hope, yeah, pretty hose Dan Matt Pepsol. 374 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:46.480 Yeah, Pepsol, okay, who's a member of the Boston College faculty, 375 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:49.319 an author, a veteran, and a podcaster, and he's going 376 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:51.079 to tell us about the three things you need to 377 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:54.680 succeed when you make a New Year's resolution. I'm very 378 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:59.200 interested as to what those those the secrets to the 379 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:02.480 sauce are here to have a successful New Year's resolution 380 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:03.119 or two? 381 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:06.119 Yeah, I love it. I love it. Let's do it. 382 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:11.279 Go right ahead, run the air, go ahead, sir. We're yeah. 383 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:13.039 Well, I'll tell you that one of the big things 384 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:14.839 I think that a lot of people really want to 385 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:18.000 reconcile is their relationship with work. We spend so much 386 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:20.240 time at work. So many times we talk about New 387 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:23.279 Year's resolutions, having to do everything all other aspects of 388 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:25.680 our life, but I think work is really important for 389 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:28.559 us to prioritize. And one of the reasons is because 390 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:30.839 work has been weird for a while now, if we 391 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:32.680 think about it, Dan and when you think back to 392 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:34.920 the pandemic, it's been almost five years, but a lot 393 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:37.039 of us are still waiting for it to return to 394 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:38.759 some sort of new normal, and that's just not going 395 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.400 to happen. So here we are ready to move on. 396 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:44.279 And I think that making a new Year's resolution about work, 397 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:47.799 making sure that we're happy, successful, feel like we're making progress, 398 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:50.200 it's a really important component for many of us when 399 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:52.079 it comes to those New Year's resolutions. 400 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:56.160 So give me the example of the sort of new 401 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.160