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Speaker 1: Calorokas shark media. Hea.

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Speaker 2: Here, I'm Johnny Max. Something a little different for you today.

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I made a friend on the internet. He is for

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ad Mohammed. I don't really know him. We were just

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running around in the same circles talking about the same

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kind of things, and I'm like, hey, why don't you

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come on and we'll talk about late night for an hour.

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And that's what we did.

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Speaker 1: Let's just jump in.

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Speaker 2: The curtain that's behind you is just beautiful and amazing.

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Can can you tell us about the curtain and what

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it looks like and what is the origin of this curtain.

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Speaker 1: Certainly the curtain behind me is espacially a multicolored curtain.

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It's actually just a bunch of like wedding like a

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small curtain. See, these are like separate pieces, but basically

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I put them all together in order to have this

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multicolor effect, in order for it to recreate the look

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and feel of the curtains that we're on The Tonight

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Show starring Johnny Carson back I would say between the

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seventies to his final show and in the end night.

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So yeah, I call I called them the Carson curtains.

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I'm if the people from the Cars Entertainment Group go

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after me and I'll just call them the Living Color

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like that. But yeah, that's that's pretty much the h

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that'sretty much the whole deal there. Well, I did this

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s order about for my web series I'm still putting together,

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kind of not called the talk show Show. It's just

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basically talked about talk show history. If there will the

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latest things you're having it like my talk shows and

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everything like that.

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Speaker 2: As an expert in legally distinct content, they're probably I'm

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almost assured that if I pulled up the Carson curtains,

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they're probably totally different. But they're giving off vibe, which

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is what's the important thing.

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Speaker 1: That's the important you.

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Speaker 2: Know, if we if we filmed something that took place

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in nineteen seventy eight or nineteen eighty two maybe and

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they had those curtains, it would look right, and that's

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always the most important thing.

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Speaker 1: Precisely. Yeah, I'm going for the look. I'm not going

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for an exact replica. There are already exact replicas in micanzums.

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And you know, the official curtains all either stowed away

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either I think they're either at the center or they're

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inside of a person's private collection either way. But yeah,

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but I've seen I've seen the curtains being I've seen

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like a version of the curtains being used on late

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talk shows and they go for like an eighties night.

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I see it on Fallon as well as Kimmel. And

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also when David Letterman got like some sort of comedic

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lifetime achievement of war on Comedy Central, they actually used

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the curtains to put behind him in the back because

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it was named after Johnny.

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Speaker 2: So, if I'm recalling correctly this the past summer, Kimmel

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was doing an eighties week with the curtains and the look,

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and that is when the little Kurf fluffle broke out, right,

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and that week didn't happen. Am I remembering that correctly?

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Speaker 1: I thought the week I thought it didn't happen because

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his band leader.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right, Okay, I'm misremembering, Yes, yes, yes, But

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I don't think they ever went back and did that

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week unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm hoping that they do that again. But I

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completely understandable as to why it was cut short, either

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because I do believe it was because of Leado, but

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it was also because his show was taken off the

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year a couple of upper, a couple of days. Then yeah,

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I can understand why they wouldn't go back to that

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just right now. They do have other shows plan and

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everything like that, so I'm sure it'll do an eighties,

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you know, through back week at another point in time.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm gonna come over to your place tonight

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around eleven thirty five. Let's watch some TV. I'm going

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to move for late night television, whichever show you pick.

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Who are we watching for the.

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Speaker 1: Current ones or just in general current Okay? I usually

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start out with Kimmel manly, because he does a funny

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and distant, a decent distillation about what's happening in the

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news of the day. I also at eleven thirty five,

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fandit that's nine show franchise, and I think that Fallon

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for what he is doing and what his goals are,

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understand that he is not a political satirist, and so

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he is not going to be as biting as Colbert

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or Kimmel, but I would away. I would also, but

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what he's doing and what's the games he's playing anything

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like that. He's trying to be like a lighthearted compliment

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to the likes of Kim and Colbert, and of course

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provoking and everything. So, I mean, it's tough to the

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side because of the fact that all the monologues are

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day or live. Here on the West Coast, I usually

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see the mobologues like around like eight or nine PM,

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which is kind of which is kind of the purpose

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Speaker 2: I want to pull on a few threads there, especially

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with the time zone thing. I keep wondering. I understand

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how the network television business works and the affiliates business,

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but I keep wondering if there's some sort of value

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to putting these things out on a streamer at eight

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PM that I know for me, there's a much better

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chance of me sampling one of those things if they

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were live or live on tape in the eight pm

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of me watching and I'm going to watch clips. I

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understand that is the commerce in which we live. But

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maybe if these things were actually on, people might look.

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Speaker 1: At them, I would imagine. So I do think that

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the especially for a late night talk show, which which

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is based which is very very time sensitive, to put

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like a day afterwards kind of defeats the purpose or

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even like the morning afterwards, because a lot of stuff

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might be happening in the news between the time that

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the show tapes and the time to just see it,

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and at the time the show tapes of like you know,

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like that may not be accurate anymore, so that that

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might make the monologue not active anymore. Yeah, I do

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think that happened because I was thinking of having, like

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there might be a time where if one of the

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days of the week is not really performing very well

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for a network, they may consider showing a show like

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NBC at a day of some teeousy like they do

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performing very well for NBC as far as I can tell,

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outside of like sports events or something like that. So

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eleven thirty in New York City, but it's shown simultaneously

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having us to wait until all until the show is on,

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until the show comes on, and at that point at

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a week, not having it to do like for every

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single day because they end with the Jay Leno Show.

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where it is not as performing as well, which obviously

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a special time for this like semi cats version of

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really drive up the numbers. And if they're really trying

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in that particular case here. So since they're releasing the

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monologue on YouTube for free anyway during around that time

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Speaker 2: There's so many weird things, like right now we're living

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then by the time I watched the show, I'm like, oh,

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of it. Like I don't understand the Peacock delay at all, you.

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starting to show It's now starting to premiere sml UK

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like nine pm on Sunday and now and then that

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it was on like three pm on Sunday, and I

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then probably that'll that'll be the best, That'll be the

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in the UK. Yeah, we'll see how we'll see a peacock.

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Speaker 2: I like what we're getting out of that show. I

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think it's going throughun the middle of both being Saturday

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British enough. I say that as a yank, but you

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know it, it feels right to me. So far, I

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have found it to be funnier than this current American season.

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different comedic tastes and everything like that. I mean, you

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exceedingly experimental. So I'm glad they're trying to you know,

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embrace the weird southern end, have the host and not

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have SNL the match to the host and has been

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and then you get an episode of the best Well,

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host strings and the same and the same with the

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the or the more recent Ryank Gostling episode. Yeah he

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kiggles a lot and everything like that, but he's able,

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and so the writers were I believe the writers are

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Speaker 2: The Yeah, that most recent episode was fantastic. And also

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she's getting a lot of airtime she is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I do wonder what they're going to be doing

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for the intro sequence for next season. From I've I've

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had some people tell me they kind of update. There's

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their intro sequences every two years. I'm hoping that they

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more one because it was for the fiftieth niverse and

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of the stuff regarding the look at the logo and

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stuff is still there. And also that intro sequence was

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the first time as far as I can tell, without

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incorporating of the clips from beforehand. In like in like

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the intro to special or something like that anniversary special,

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also cat but also crew members who actually work on

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the show. And I thought that was a really cool

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way in order to celebrate the d show in its entirety,

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because a lot of the intro sequences involved the cat

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Romers being outside and then you stay outside and neither

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they run to the studio or they're just hanging out

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or something like that. Maybe or maybe they might do

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of the past fifth season, but ordering for anniversary season.

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able to incorporate both exterior shots as well as matching

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them to interior shots within a age, and it was

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really like this cool flow there. So I really hope

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that they still incorporate that in some way, shape or

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form for the next season. And then if they and

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if they do keep the current intro, that they know

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something specifically for Ashley so she would be in between

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I believe Colin jostin Sarah Sherman in the cast, So

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that that's really that should that should be a pretty

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uh that should be an already available way in order

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to incorporate and order incorporate an additional cast Hover because

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both Michael Longfellow and Abel and Wolden were also inside

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it also in the the intro sequence win it was

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for season fifty, but then when they let then when

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they either fired or the distant return beteen fifty one,

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that did leave a bit of a gap. So putting

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in Ashley would would be a relatively easy transition of

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red and a rather.

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Speaker 2: Easy so you see the smile on my face. You

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are not messing around with that answer by Fred. That

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was somebny who knows about they're talking about? That was

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not a winged answer. I love that one. Do you

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have an opinion on mister Michaels should he stick around?

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I keep looking at Will Ferrell and musical guest Paul

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McCartney and a cast that's not that strong, and your

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eighty something, and uh, Tina's hanging out in the UK

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a little bit. Supposedly she's been pseudo show running over there.

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or is that a good time. Let McCartney sing seventeen

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verses of let It Be and go home? Hey Jude,

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I'm sorry it would be hit Jude.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Hey Jude, absolute yeah. I tried to hate

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Jude at karaoke. I had I did not realize how

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long the song is. I was up there for ten

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minutes just singing no no, no, no, no, no, over

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and over. But anyway, but here's the l I think

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that Lorne should go when he feels like he when

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he feels like that it's a fun anymore. I think that,

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you know, it's his show. He helped build it. I

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won't say that he created because a lot of it

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has to do with that memo that Herb Schlosser wrote

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out about how we Deba Shawan and Terry Knight and

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he can be an eight AGAs in thirty Rockies New

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York blah bla blah blah, and then Lauren kind of

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like adjusted to those instructions and helped make that show

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but also take care for Saul with the huge part

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of you know, forming to get to the show and

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making sure it was under budget as much as it

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can be. And so there are a lot of there

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are a lot of people who created the show, but

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Lauren was definitely the visionary behind the show. And so

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you know, show running, and if he's managed to set

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up a system where he does not where it's not

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like he doesn't have to do as much work. But

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is in his eighties, that there are a lot of

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there are a lot of ways to be able to

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delegate a lot of the you know, sort of more

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menial tasks that he would usually do when he was

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in his forties or fifties. Then yeah, I mean he

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should definitely, you know, he definitely has a comedic guy.

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of where talent is. That's definitely a showcase with the

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h and as well as well as Jane Wicklin. Jane

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Wicklin is really starting to come into a run there

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as well. And I do think think that, Yeah, I

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do think that he should just host the show for

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as long as he wants to and then if the

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Dessia has to step down, especially with that catchesting that does,

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that does kind of make me wonder I see whether

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or not he feels that it's ready for him to

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step down. If he does feels if he feels that

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he's ready to step down, he stepped down. If he

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doesn't feel like he's ready to step down, he should

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just keep on going. Probably not so long that you know,

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he starts, he starts to come forget for something like that.

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pretty sharp. So I'm not kind, I'm not I'm not

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really worried about that. So yeah, I do think that

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Lorne should be there for as long as he wants to,

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and when he's ready, then I'll then we're we're all

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kind of ready for some sort of you know, farewell

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or something like that. I just really hope that he

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doesn't like die the middle of this show, because the

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show will still go on. I remember I think Seth

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was talking a Q and A. He was people would

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sometimes ask him questions about how about what would happened

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after Louren or something like that, that, yeah, the show

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will probably still contee. You just be like, you know, oh,

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hold on, Lorn died. We gotta cut the sketch down

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by a couple of weeks. No, I do hope that.

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I do hope that Lauren exits when on his own terms,

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because his show has been pretty much on his own

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terms except for nineteen eighty five. But anyway, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, almost an impossible person to follow. I think you'll

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have to have somebody with name recognition. Again, Tina's name

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gets thrown around a lot. Seth a little bit. I

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think if it's not somebody with star power, you immediately

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are wide open to the show's not good anymore. So

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and so's not up to the task. But I also

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think there's the value of having enough gravitas to be

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able to tell the network to hose off and to

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back off, whereas if there is a lesser known person,

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you're probably more prone to budget cuts. Or do we

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need X people in the cast? Can we do this

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with eight people? Do we need sixteen episodes? What if

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we only need fourteen episodes? Or do we need music?

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Or all these questions? Whereas do we.

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Speaker 1: Do all of these? Do all of these have to

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be live? And some of them be pre taped? And

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so on? Yeah, let's let's take too long here. You

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ever saw that? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: All right, let me be a good host and actually

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build a break into our little discussion here. And I

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want to come back and talk Jay Leno. Early on

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this conversation, you name checked Jay Leno's ten PM show.

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I have a I don't know if it's controversial. It's

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not like people are debating us on the streets. But

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it's an opinion that I think that was the right

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show that came along a little too early. I think

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the model made sense. And my straw argument is, given

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current network television, if you told me you could get

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Stephen Colbert to do some sort of Charlie Rose type

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thing sitting at a desk with a black curtain behind you,

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and it's inexpensive to produce, that might not be the

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worst idea for network television heading into twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Seven, that might not be, but I do think that, yeah,

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one of the major problems with that twenty ten was

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still a very very good year for linear television, and

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so to not only shorten the prime time schedule by

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a third third in the in the for a prime

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time at NBC at a point where NBC was still

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kind of the shaky in terms of in terms of

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their brought in terms of their broadcasting power at that

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point because this post Mussy TV Friends is already off

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the air, er just went off the air, so there

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they were kind of on shaking ground. But because of that,

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as well as the fact that they brought in the

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show that brings in great numbers, if it were the

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Tonight Show, this is the Jay Lenvel Show brought in

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like standard Tonight Show numbers. That is not what they

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were looking for ten pm though, I mean they were

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following like a whole bunch of other programs that were

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on at that hour, you know, going all the way

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back to like next you got mean, this is this

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is the time slot that Quantum Leap and Hill Street

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Blues and Law and Order and definitely Dateline around the Air.

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And so to completely remove that particular hour that's that

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was still pretty strong for NBC at that time was

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not the best of ideas. I do think that if

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they went to a weekly show, which Jay would not

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have agreed to it all, but they did go to

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a weekly show and have Jay to build up an

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audience with that as I'm like a like a you know,

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have to be like the continuation of the Thursday night

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comedies are happening on that time. That probably would have worked,

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and then they probably could have fixed it to you know,

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two days or they kind of the same way that

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they did with Who Wants to Be the Leonarroc When

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it first started out, it was a major head and

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so they just burned on this minute and as many

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times plot as they possibly could, because it was because

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it was guaranteed greeting at that time unfortunately did suffer

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from a lot of overexposure and a lot of burnout

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for people, and so that's why I didn't do it.

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That's why I kind of puzzled out afterwards. But we

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that said, I do think that hobbling the prime time

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schedule for NBC at a point where they really needed

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to work to go as well as they needed it to.

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I don't think that would have been the I don't

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think that was the rect course of action. As you

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said before, I do think that in twenty twenty seven,

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especially now at timeslots are a little bit less of

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a factor, unless you unless you're talking about you know,

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gut faeld or something like that. Then yeah, that probably

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would have been a that probably would have been a

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better that probably would have been a better choice to

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have on the air if they if it was something

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that would be relatively cheap to produce, but again, we

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probably would want to start that out at like one

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day a week and then just build up from there

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instead of having it just be completely every single night.

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was the Achilles, smel and a JA that show.

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Speaker 2: That One of the what IFFs I think about is

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clearly somebody's having some sort of conversation. Hey, these numbers

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aren't so good. Somebody says what about Jay?

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Speaker 1: Or who?

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Speaker 2: Maybe Jay starts the conversation, but at some point it's

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on the table. What if we replace Conan with j?

481
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,759
Now what happens if J says no, I would never

482
00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:40,160
do that. Are we looking at? Is Conan still on

483
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,799
at eleven thirty? Or does Conan get hooked and Jimmy

484
00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:47,279
Fallon gets the show a little earlier and maybe he's

485
00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:49,039
not ready yet. This is one of those what ifs

486
00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:49,759
that I play with.

487
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually that's a darn good I don't really think

488
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,359
about what would have happened if Jay just decided not

489
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,440
to do it, because it was always pursued that that

490
00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:02,759
question was moved anyway. But no, I do think that

491
00:22:02,839 --> 00:22:05,799
if Jay did not go back, I do think that

492
00:22:05,839 --> 00:22:08,480
he would have tried to go on to ABC and

493
00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:10,799
probably you know, get like they. I don't think he

494
00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:12,000
would go on to I don't think he would go

495
00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:14,200
onto the to the twelve thirty slot. And I'm going

496
00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:16,599
to try to do this as with Eastern and Pacific

497
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,079
times can even though my brain automatically thinks late you know,

498
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,960
Late Night with David Leergman was on at eleven thirty

499
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,680
because that's when it was on the Chicago I grew

500
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,960
up anyway, So yeah, I don't think that Jay would

501
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,240
have gone to twelve thirty on ABC. I do think

502
00:22:28,279 --> 00:22:30,759
that he probably would have done what Conan eventually did

503
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,519
with the George Lopez Show and just have his show

504
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:36,960
to be on at eleven thirty or possibly or maybe

505
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,559
a half hour version of that show, and it maybe

506
00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:41,440
would have expanded and then and then because Kimmel, I

507
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,960
believe that point was already on at midnight because the

508
00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:48,400
Night Lane was on beforehand. He didn't switch over to

509
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,000
the eleven thirty five slot until a little afterwards about

510
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:53,359
the sake, And so I do think that Ja probably

511
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,319
would have gone on into aec or or done some

512
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,880
other sort of deal or something like that. I really

513
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,160
don't know. I don't know if he would have tried

514
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,640
to get if he would have tried to try to

515
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,960
get a date job, ors like that don'ts but anyway,

516
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,720
but I do, but I do think he would have

517
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,160
gone to someplace else and I. And while I don't well,

518
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,039
I do think that Conan would have stayed on. I

519
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,319
don't know how long he would have been on the show.

520
00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:15,160
I'm not entirely sure if he would still be on

521
00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:18,240
right now, especially given the fact that he did a

522
00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:21,400
show that you know, that was completely his, that was

523
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,119
that was completely under his creative control over a TVs

524
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,519
and he left five years ago. So I don't think

525
00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:29,559
that he would have been on as long as Jay

526
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,400
or Johnny or anything like that. I think he would

527
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,119
have been on there for probably about ten years, maybe

528
00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:36,480
you know, maybe up to fifteen, which would have been

529
00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:39,279
up last year. But I do think that he would

530
00:23:39,319 --> 00:23:41,160
have you know, probably switched on over to that. He

531
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,000
probably would have done the similar rept these doing right

532
00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:44,839
now you will be on the podcast, he would be

533
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,039
you knowing people. And I do think that Fallon probably

534
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:51,119
would have stayed over the Late night for as long

535
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,960
as he for as long as he felt that he

536
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,960
could keep that show. And he also had Lorne Michael's

537
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,319
behind him, so he definitely had some definite heft to it,

538
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,200
and he and if anything else, he probably would have

539
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,720
brought the show back to New York, as he did

540
00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:05,599
back in twenty fourteen, and so I do think that

541
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,759
Fallon would have eventually become the host of the to

542
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:09,240
Night Show, and he probably would be the host of

543
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,559
that to Night Show right now, but but I don't

544
00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:12,880
know if he was, but it would have been a

545
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,039
little bit different compared to how it was when Jay

546
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,319
was over there for another five years. I think that

547
00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:19,799
I think that Fellow would have been over would have

548
00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:21,599
been on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon for about ten

549
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,160
years and then much like what's Conen and Dave actually,

550
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,559
and then they would have moved on to the Tonight

551
00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:27,680
Show at that point in time. I did feel I

552
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,799
for some reason, I did feel that when he switched,

553
00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:31,440
when he went over to the night show after Jay

554
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,960
stepped down, actually stepped down, that he that I wouldn't

555
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,160
just sure if he was ready for it, because he

556
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,240
was only hosting Late Night for only five years, but

557
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,000
he has demonstrated that he was able to hold onto

558
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:44,880
that show and you know, and maintain people's interests for

559
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,200
or over ten years now, So most of why I

560
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,960
know in some cases, but yeah, I do think that

561
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,480
I do think that Fellow would be the home that

562
00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:51,920
to Night Show right now because he was the host

563
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,400
of Late Night, and they want to do that kind

564
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,480
of transition that they've always wanted to do between Late

565
00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:59,400
Night and the night show that NBC has bundled up

566
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,559
a couple of times. But but yeah, I do think

567
00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:03,480
that I do think that Conan would probably be in

568
00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:05,759
the same situation he is right now. I don't know

569
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,079
if he would have to have the same deal with

570
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,200
serious extent that he does right now, but he would

571
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,799
have been doing something more. He would have been doing

572
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:17,880
something creative. He has the documentary says he Can't Stop You,

573
00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:19,880
and he probably doing a show. You're probably doing a

574
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,039
travel log show for Peacock.

575
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: I think you and I are aligned about Jimmy Fallon.

576
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,279
Most people just I roll, Oh, Jimmy Fallon. He's lame,

577
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,319
he sucks, it's vanilla. It's not a good version of

578
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,759
the Tonight Show. But if I'm understanding, you're right, we

579
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:36,960
are aligned in that Jimmy understands what the Tonight Show

580
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,640
mission is and is executing them mission.

581
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: Well, yes, yes, I do think that, Uh yeah, I

582
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,279
mean I think that he is really holding on to

583
00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:49,880
the notion that of what Johnny Carson said in that

584
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,000
sixty Minutes interview. He does not use it Tonight show

585
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:54,880
to talk about serious issues. He uses it as a

586
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,160
way to escape, as a way for people to escape

587
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,000
the troubles of the world. He'll he'll make fun of it,

588
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,119
and Johnny does as well as well as Jimmy does.

589
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,440
But it won't be it won't be fighting sat time.

590
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:10,200
There won't be like a significant you know, point of

591
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:12,359
view or anything like that. It would rather or not

592
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,119
be analysis. And then the truth is that that's already

593
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,799
happening on two other shows eleven five, He and and

594
00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:23,079
and Jimmy is definitely is definitely the golden retriever of

595
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,519
Late Night. He wants everybody to be happy. He wants

596
00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:28,200
everybody to feel great, the guests, the audience, the audience

597
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,279
at home and everything like that. The crew, well maybe

598
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,079
not maybe not the crew in some cases, but anyway,

599
00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:34,680
he isn't given that they've given a previous story about

600
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,039
what was going on behind the scenes, but from what

601
00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:41,039
I understand, that atmosphere has changed from what I'm understanding

602
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:43,359
about what's what's happening over at the over the show.

603
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:47,960
So so yeah, I do think that Jimmy, it definitely

604
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,279
takes into account that he is the temporary steward of

605
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,599
a seventy year long franchise. Now, granted, Jack paul In

606
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,960
the show was very He definitely had his hard in

607
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,960
his sleeve. He quit the show because he couldn't tell

608
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,839
a joke. He had. He did a show that wasn't

609
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,759
that was from Cuba. He had John Acandy on as

610
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:08,480
like a guest host of What I'm Mistaken, if not

611
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:10,839
like just a part of the panel, and so he

612
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,200
definitely had He was did me a lot more focusing on,

613
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,119
you know, talking about the serious issues on the show.

614
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,319
But that wasn't when it was a franchise. He was

615
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,599
just the guy after Steve Allen and after the Tonight

616
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,680
after Dark to bottle that took place back but anyway,

617
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,640
but so it was it wasn't considered like an established

618
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,440
franchise just yet because because Alan had Oi been also

619
00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:32,279
the show for I think less than ten years at

620
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:35,039
that point. So yeah, I do think that I do

621
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,480
think that now that has been establaged, especially with the

622
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:41,400
longevity of Parson, the longevity of Leno, that there's already

623
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,799
an established way that a Tonight show should be set

624
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,559
up and the types of jokes that are going to

625
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:50,039
be in there, and so they are working within those

626
00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:52,200
parameters because say, no, that is what has that is

627
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,279
what is given the Tonight shows longevity. So yeah, that

628
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:57,480
that's I mean, that's why you never hear like any

629
00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:01,000
sort of censored curse words out of out of Jimmy

630
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,400
or out of I mean there might be from the

631
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,039
guests or something like that, but that the guests can't

632
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,279
be predicted there, but you will let prehere in sort

633
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:09,240
of and sort of curse words out of Jimmy because

634
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,400
he knows that's not how the tinancial operations. That that

635
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,720
that's that that can be done with the Late Night

636
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:16,759
that can be done with Colbert, you don't Kim if necessary,

637
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,880
but with the Science show, that's just yeah. I just

638
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,960
think that he does see him he does see himself

639
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,640
as like the the person who was carrying on each

640
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,400
positions of what has been happening over that.

641
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little Jay Leno. One of the jokes

642
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,000
on my show is I always referred to him as

643
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,400
the worst person who ever lived, because any any interview

644
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,720
about Jay Leno is he's just the worst person who

645
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:40,319
ever lived. He's eyeing in a closet, He's going to

646
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:42,319
steal your show. He's gonna stab Conan in the in

647
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:44,640
the back, got it? Got it? And then I listened

648
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,039
to interviews with this guy, and he seems thoughtful, he

649
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:53,480
seems nice, he seems like he's a good caretaker of

650
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:57,680
his ill wife. He seems like a good husband. He

651
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,519
seems like a good guy. But he's the worst person

652
00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:04,559
who ever lived. So where are you on on Jay Leno?

653
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:07,359
I think I really like Jay Leno, but he's never

654
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,960
tried to steal this show, and I actually wish he would.

655
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:13,440
If Jay Leto tried to hijack Daily Comedy News, I

656
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,400
think that would be good for my career. So Jay,

657
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:15,960
I dare you?

658
00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so? Yeah. But my thoughts on j

659
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,319
are a little bit complicated. But I was paying attention

660
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,960
to the Leno Letterman buffle that's place back in xteen

661
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,359
eighty two. As John Malady would put it, I was

662
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,680
twelve years old, but I was still paying attention to, like,

663
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,440
you know, all the goings on with the networks and

664
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,839
everything like that, and it just intensely fascinated me. But yeah,

665
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,799
I mean, here's the deal. I do think that Letterman

666
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:43,799
should have gotten tonight show after Johnny stepped down. That

667
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,960
was what Johnny wanted, and that was what a lot

668
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,960
of people in New York wanted. But a lot of

669
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,960
people in LA thought that, you know, Jay had better.

670
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:52,640
Jay was better with the affiliates. You know, Dave was

671
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,160
very a cervic with the affiliates. He would always talk

672
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,759
about Gees being this horrible company and everything like that.

673
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:00,400
And whe or not NBC made the right decision is

674
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,599
definitely reflected in the numbers because Leon Letterman beat Jay

675
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,519
for the first two years of the show, and then

676
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:08,480
all of a sudden people caught on to what Jay

677
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,880
was doing after the the the Hugh Grant interview, and

678
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,119
they never looked back. And so and you know it

679
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,319
was there was a point where there was a billboard

680
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,240
up on like up a Times Square near the CBS

681
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,359
headquarters or at least night some CDs opposite point. Then

682
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,079
it was like picture a huge picture of JSA number

683
00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:30,599
one and late Night. And so Dave got a larger

684
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,480
billboard that was right off to the side of it,

685
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:35,559
s like number three in Late Night, you know. So

686
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:39,240
so it's I mean, I I have tuned into j

687
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,920
mainly for mainly for a bit of the modelogue and

688
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,160
for the headlines because it's still the Tonight Show, and

689
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,880
so I was so I was still paying attention, but

690
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,680
I was always more of a Lement fan, and so

691
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,559
I would always tune in for Element for the interviews

692
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,039
Demi Moore for the opening remark slash monologue. In his

693
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:56,240
monologue got longer and longer. So I do think that

694
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,039
that Leno was definitely a good steward of the Tonight Show.

695
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:01,519
I do think that would have been a better host.

696
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,440
But Leno definitely did put in the work in order

697
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:07,559
to give nbc'son numbers they were looking for. With the

698
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:11,440
Conan situation, I was at. I was absolutely angry, oh,

699
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,480
for all these sorts of mechanations, having the show that

700
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:17,319
was basically I was basically a rating suck and everything

701
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:20,119
like that, and so and I do think that Leno

702
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,839
should have just said, no, I'm not going back to

703
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,720
eleven thirty five, that's Conan stuff. You you put Conan

704
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:27,079
in there, You're gonna have to deal with Conan here,

705
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,000
you know, and then you know, just going and do

706
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:32,519
some other sort of show afterwards, probably an ADC. But anyway,

707
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:35,480
because he was definitely a communication with Jimmy Kimmel all

708
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:37,440
the way up until there was that interamous in a

709
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:39,799
ten segment on The j Leno Show where Jimmy just

710
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:42,880
basically said, believe our shows all you know, but anyway,

711
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,839
but overall, I do think that Leno is a consummate

712
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,839
stand up comedian. I will grant him that he's basically

713
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:52,960
he's basically it's just you know, he he puts in

714
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,680
the effort, he puts in the work to put together

715
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,200
a thet that is like, you know, good, there's good feelings,

716
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:01,079
stick to the ribs comedy. I've seeing him over at Flappers.

717
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:03,640
He does like an hour of comedy and the apparently

718
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,240
he goes over there like once every other week or

719
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,960
something like that, especially during the I believe it really

720
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,920
started during the pandemic because he won a Flappers to

721
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,839
to You Loss Good to You as a as a

722
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:15,680
comedy showcase, and so he decided to lend his name

723
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:17,880
and his notoriety and everything like that to say, hey,

724
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:21,359
the tonight shows, jay Leto is performing over flatforms at

725
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:24,519
this so I do appreciate it he that he was

726
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:27,559
in support and also just and I do think that

727
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:29,640
he is a pretty decent guy when you meet him,

728
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,039
and he was very great to his staff. He wanted

729
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:34,039
to make sure that this staff is well compensated out

730
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,319
after the I think after the after his show was

731
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:39,200
taken off there twenty nine, and definitely after when he

732
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,799
got taken when he left in twenty thirteen. And also

733
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,680
just also if you take I remember that Don Giller

734
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,400
who's like this Letterman Archives and had like whole bunch

735
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,440
of collection videos online. He did like a eight hour

736
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:54,960
long series of videos of every single Letto appearance on

737
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:56,720
Late Night with David Letterman, going all the way from

738
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,279
its first appearance to right before he was I think

739
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:01,160
right after he was the host of The Tonight Show

740
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,559
and he came to play, and he brought like a

741
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:09,279
lot of original material. He would never really repeat the

742
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:11,319
joke un lessons like a really really good one or

743
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:13,559
something like that. He'd always read his newspapers and everything,

744
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,599
talking about different articles and stories, and he became a

745
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,039
very huge fan favorite. So I get his appeal and

746
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:23,079
I definitely get his entertainment value. And I do think

747
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:24,680
that if he went on the CPS, he probably would

748
00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:27,559
probably would have been a very different sort of situation.

749
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,519
Comparing the Tonight Show with David The Tonight Show with

750
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:33,359
David Letterman and the whatever show that Jay Lennon was

751
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,079
gonna be putting on a TVs. We was first, you know,

752
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,519
quartered by CDs after the Pats Ajax show just kind

753
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:41,880
of fled. But anyway, Yeah, I do think that Jay

754
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:44,839
in person and as a as a as a human

755
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,759
being is very good. I mean, I see, I know

756
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,960
a lot of comedians that just the same thing was

757
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,559
the praise about him. I remember I went on the

758
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:53,799
Dennis Middlelayer's radio show and he would always he was

759
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:55,960
always on teen J. In that case, they're much less

760
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,519
on teen Conan than the especially during that sort of situation.

761
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,680
But no, I do think that I do think that

762
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:05,359
Jay is much like everybody is. It's a complicated person

763
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:07,680
and uh, you know that there are friends who know

764
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:09,920
who know about you know J and everything like that,

765
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,079
as Letterman mentioned as a drink is uh monologues or

766
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,280
like his death feasts during the twenty tent to Night

767
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,920
Show scheduling compete. But yeah, I do I do think

768
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,280
that he's entertaining. I do think that he hosted the

769
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,239
Tonight's show to the extent that he felt that it

770
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,239
needed to that it needed to go in terms of

771
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,679
like you know what sort of envelopes to push, And

772
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,159
he's definitely and he was definitely a company man. He

773
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,320
definitely was in support of, you know, doing everything he

774
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,920
can for NBC. He was on CNBC for the longest

775
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,360
time with jay Leonsoage, so he's so he's definitely he's

776
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:43,519
definitely a very loyal person as well. So yeah, it's complicated,

777
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:45,360
but I do think that that that there could have

778
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,639
been better host to Night show, I guess.

779
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: But who would you have given it to?

780
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: Dave was define to give its state. Yeah, I would

781
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,119
give it to date and in twenty oh nine, twenty ten,

782
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,119
I would have had Conan to find his Tonight's Show

783
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,079
voice because he mentioned at the end of his at

784
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:04,119
the end of his last Late Night that he was

785
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:06,280
not that he that he would hero up a lot

786
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,119
of people saying that he needed to change his comedy

787
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:10,360
and he, I think said the camera that is not

788
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,840
going to happen. And it did happen because there were

789
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,199
a lot of joke There were a lot of like

790
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,159
sketches and stuff that they wanted, you want to show,

791
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,440
but they had to kind of not do it because

792
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,239
it was quotes two twelve thirty five, According to the

793
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,039
Bill Carter book The War for Late Night, And so

794
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,280
I do think that they wanted to start out with

795
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,440
like something really like like base level comedy and then

796
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:33,519
lean into the smart and stupid lead into the kind

797
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:35,880
of the weirder stuff after a while. But they just

798
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,320
never got that while yet. Yeah, that's the whole thing.

799
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think network executives would know better. Uh,

800
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:45,480
you know, I do this now my career short version

801
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,679
radio program director program to the comedy channels at ERRS XM.

802
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,320
So I've been on both sides of this now, and

803
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,480
you've got to give your talent time to find the voice.

804
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,360
You know now that I'm a guy with a microphone

805
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,679
in the basement, I'm better now than when I first

806
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,079
start did it's just reps and you figure out what

807
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:04,960
works or what your voice is. And I did the

808
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:07,559
idea that you've been on Conan. You know what you've

809
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:11,039
got here. Okay, maybe the show is not totally working

810
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,599
right now, but you got to give these things time

811
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:16,119
to find their legs. You had an example, Jay Leno

812
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,239
lost for two years and then one for eighteen.

813
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and the same and the same with Conan

814
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,800
at the very beginning I mean people did not think

815
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,039
he would hold a candle to the sort of the

816
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:28,480
sort of where the Letterman put together for Late Night

817
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:35,320
back eleven oh sorry, twelve three. Her brain it is, Yeah,

818
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:38,760
it's like it's like it's like burned in there. But anyway, Yeah,

819
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,920
I do think that I do think that Conan was

820
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,000
given a lot of had a lot of things going

821
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,519
up against him, you know, being a complete unknown not

822
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:49,519
really are known more as economedy writer than anything else.

823
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,880
But he did have Lord Michael's behind them at like

824
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:53,559
at the way in order to kind of shield them

825
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:55,119
from a lot of the from a lot of the

826
00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:58,480
network machinations, as well as the fact that the cancelation

827
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:00,239
of the Chevy Chase show gave him a little bit

828
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,199
of cover. The appearance from Letterman on on on Conan Show,

829
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,519
you know, basically saying this show is great and everything

830
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:08,719
like that, I really gave everybody a bit of a

831
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,320
morale boost and everything. So there were there were a

832
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,760
lot of chances, and and NBC was always you know,

833
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,639
kind of like looking off of the size, see who

834
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:18,239
else was available. Maybe Gary Shannon could and I doesn't

835
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,760
want to do it, and maybe Grig Kneer well no,

836
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,679
we'll put them on later, literally on later. And uh,

837
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,280
you know, they were, they were doing it, they were,

838
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,000
you know, they were trying different sort of things out.

839
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:29,239
But then once Conan was able to lock in what

840
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,760
the sort of comedy they could be able to do

841
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,159
on the show and what the audience was receptive to,

842
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:36,000
it just took off like a rocket. And so yeah,

843
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,960
and then so NBC was started, and so NBC's you know,

844
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,000
and was no longer giving them thirteen week contracts and

845
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,639
getting a multi year contracts and everything like that. So yeah,

846
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,880
you definitely need to let the audience find the host,

847
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,599
and you need to let the host find what the

848
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,599
audience likes as well as finding ways in order to

849
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,199
kind of give the audience, what give the audience things

850
00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:58,679
that they did not know they wanted to have. Yeah,

851
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,519
I mean it's it's a bit there's a bit of

852
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:04,920
a given take, and that cannot be established in seven months.

853
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,920
Even if you've hosted the Late even if you hosted

854
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,960
the Late Night Show at twelve thirty five for sixteen years,

855
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:12,159
that Tonight show's a completely different beast, its complete different

856
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:15,719
audience at a completely different sort of comedic sensibilities. You

857
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,519
can't establish that sort of voice in seven months, and

858
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:22,719
so I think NBC was really was exceedingly trigger happy

859
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,719
in terms of making these sorts of changes there, And

860
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,000
I really do think they should have waited a bit now. Granted,

861
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,480
Letterman was starting to catch up with him, but a

862
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,119
lot and a lot of it just has to do with,

863
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:33,320
you know, Jave, you were switching over to Dave because

864
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,119
they were they were so used to Jaden they thought

865
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:37,719
that Corner was not going to do very well or

866
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,800
something like that. But also there were a couple of

867
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,199
like scandals took place during those beginning months. Agone It's

868
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,880
the Night Show that would not have repeated itself as

869
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,360
Leutterman went on to doing his show regularly. There was

870
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,320
the Sarah Palin joke where he said that a rod

871
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,719
knocked up his daughter, but they didn't describe which daughter

872
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,119
was at the game, because it's automatically assumed that Bristol

873
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:58,320
was with her, But Bristol was not with her and

874
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,840
her fourteen year old daughter was there, and so that

875
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,639
caused a whole bunch of that caused a whole bunch

876
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,400
of controversy. They did that really did not need to

877
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,239
happen if somebody needed to just research that particular joke anyway,

878
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,280
So people start tuning in for that as well as

879
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,840
the the extortion scandal that took place where where like

880
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:17,199
his former assistant was going to be extraying for money

881
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:19,440
and all that sort of things. So yeah, so that

882
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,599
brought in a lot of viewers that I would have

883
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:23,400
tuned in for Conan and if they you know, they

884
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:25,039
they were still watching them, you see at the time,

885
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,639
and then it brought them over to Letterman and then

886
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,480
there and then, and unfortunately that they were kind of

887
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:32,840
like cut off the knees once the Jay Lenvel Show

888
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,039
came in and just brought down the ratings every single

889
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:38,039
night for every single affiliate, and so they and so

890
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,320
they and so the affiliate started dropping the Jay level show,

891
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,239
but they could be able to maintain their racing so

892
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,519
they could be able to watch their late local news.

893
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,480
And unfortunately the tonight show became a casualty of.

894
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 2: That you're reminding me of going back to you know,

895
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,559
ninety three, was it ninety two?

896
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: Uh?

897
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,039
Speaker 2: What a weird hire ConA O'Brian was even was you know,

898
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,400
you're following David Letterman, who's this guy Conan? And and

899
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:03,480
he's not you know, he's not a stand up, he's

900
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,079
a writer, Like, what are you doing?

901
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,519
Speaker 1: The first week is a little awkward.

902
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: He's tall and lanky, he doesn't look like a late

903
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,639
night host yet you know, now we all have just

904
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:15,920
accept that. Of course, yeah it's Conan O'Brien. It was just,

905
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:19,599
uh what a cutsy hire.

906
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And again I do give credit to Lord

907
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,679
Michaels for that because basically, uh NBC was kind of

908
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:29,519
was kind of running out of options to host the show,

909
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:32,000
or at least to the executive produce this show because

910
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:33,840
letter been brought all this people over in the CDs,

911
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,599
and so you know, they needed to find somebody and obviously,

912
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:39,360
you know Carson, and I believe that Late Night was

913
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,480
also co produced by Carson Productions, but you know, all

914
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:44,480
the Carson people have gone as well, so they needed

915
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:46,679
to find somebody and thankfully, Lord Michaels is on an

916
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,000
uptick after after getting Take Lives and thank me ive

917
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:52,119
and so they brought him in and he says, well,

918
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:54,039
you know, I think we should bring so you know

919
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,880
that's because because they auditioned like a lot of comedians.

920
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,880
I think John Stewart was one of them and not mistaken.

921
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,199
But but you know, there was like a lot of

922
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,039
meetings that were being auditioned for the show. But Lorne

923
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,079
really had an eye to see. You know, this opponent

924
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,519
guy who does like all these like wild antics in

925
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:12,880
the writer's room, he could probably do pretty well as

926
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,760
a show. Yeah.

927
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,559
Speaker 2: I also want to sing the praises if we ever

928
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:19,320
make the Late Night Hall of Fame. Maybe there is

929
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,800
one Robert Smigel for Boak his work on that show

930
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,199
in SNL, I mean first ballot, as.

931
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: Well as well as the Data Carvey Show. I'm gonna

932
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,440
I'm always gonna hold it candle for the Data Carvey Show.

933
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,800
But yeah, yeah, absolutely, all.

934
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: Right, let me get another break in here.

935
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: We'll come back.

936
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: We'll talk Colbert Stephen. Colbert's show ending just a couple

937
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:39,679
weeks from now. Are you sad? Now I've gone three

938
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,719
sixty on Colbert, And I'll tell you why. When they

939
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,559
first when they first ended the show and there was

940
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:46,960
some some craziness going on in the country, I I

941
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,920
really had this take of boy, if we had a

942
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,000
thoughtful man who looks nice on camera and could give

943
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:55,320
a heartfelt speech and not seem crazy, maybe that's what

944
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,320
the world could use right now, and maybe he would

945
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,119
be a good candidate for higher office, and it was

946
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:02,239
all about that. And then I'm a big treky and

947
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,559
he was the voice of the computer on Starfleet Academy,

948
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:09,079
and and my my star Trek is winning over my politics.

949
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,119
So I've now started referring to him as Star trek

950
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:14,480
Ruiner Stephen Colbert, along with Star trek Ruiner Patton Oswaltz.

951
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,639
So I now find myself aligned with the President of

952
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:21,440
the United States, glad that the show is ending just

953
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,079
because I'm petty about Star Trek.

954
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: Oh I canceled my my Paramount Plus subscription after, especially

955
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,800
after Colbert was initially canceled, and so I was kind

956
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,280
of I have not seen Starfleet Academy, and so I

957
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,960
don't haven't you right now now. But I do think

958
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,119
that my thoughts on Colbert ending is that it was

959
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,960
it's definitely I mean, granted, it is a financial decision

960
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,840
in the sense that late night in general is starting

961
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,239
to not making as much money back in the nineteen

962
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,719
nine linear television is not making as much money as

963
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,639
he did. But I do think that there was external

964
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:02,519
that there were external forces at play. Absolutely when it

965
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:06,599
came to the cancelation of Colbert, and I am aggravated

966
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:08,440
by that. I do think that when you take a

967
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,119
look at the amount of money that the Paramount and

968
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:14,760
sky Dance paid Netflix to to have that, because Netflix

969
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,800
was wanting to get Warner Bugs, and they had had

970
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,320
in their contra and they had in the contract of

971
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,639
the initial deal that they did not get Warner Brothers,

972
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,599
they would have to be paid as a soun out

973
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:25,239
of money like two billion dollars or something like that.

974
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,360
Two point they and so Paramount said, oh no, we'll

975
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,320
pay that. So they paid Netflix to two point eight

976
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,400
billion dollars. And they keep saying that that the Late

977
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,079
Show is losing forty million dollars a year, that two

978
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,320
point eight billion dollars could have covered the losses for

979
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,559
the Late Show for seventy years. So I don't know

980
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,159
what their priorities are in terms of the money that

981
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:49,000
they're spending. I do think that having a late night franchise,

982
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,199
even today, even with the even with time slots being

983
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,760
a little bit less you know, concrete and as and

984
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,039
less less of than a less of a factory than

985
00:43:57,039 --> 00:43:59,559
they wore back in the back in the day, having

986
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,320
a city sure, late night franchise. It's still as still

987
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,599
very very important for a network television, for a television network.

988
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:08,000
And then for the longest time it was always NBC.

989
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,079
It was always you know, it was always the night

990
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,039
show it was and then eventually it was always the

991
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:15,800
Tonight Show on late night, and CBS put out the

992
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,280
first salvo to have serious competition in the late night

993
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,639
in the late night date park, and so to have

994
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,719
to have Colbert to be taken off the air and

995
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,159
then replaced with pretty much an infomercial for Byron Allen's company.

996
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,079
That that that that that that really grants my years

997
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:35,400
to borrow phrase from Family Guy, And so I really

998
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,480
I'm perplexed that this sort of thing has happened. What

999
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:42,159
becomes under the current local climate, and it's kind of

1000
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:44,679
the thing that we're supposed to keep a watch keep

1001
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:47,519
a watch out for. That that that that the idea

1002
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,639
that satire could be canceled or that can be affected

1003
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:53,280
by the machinations of the federal government is one of

1004
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,960
the things that you should not be doing in this

1005
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:57,159
country year. So, you know, so it was with that,

1006
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,800
but with that said, I do think that I do

1007
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,320
think Stephen is going to close out the show in

1008
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,199
a very very brilliant fashion, and I hope that that

1009
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:07,519
that the show will get all the ratings in the world,

1010
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,559
so that when the first ratings come out for Comics

1011
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:13,239
at least at eleven thirty, they'll say, well, this is horrible.

1012
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,440
But at the same time, CBS doesn't care because CBS

1013
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,320
still gets the money. That's all at the oldest now

1014
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,519
on fire and nollen for him to you know, provide

1015
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:25,280
the advice and stuff. So yeah, but I do think

1016
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,719
that this will the cancelation of Colbert in the relation

1017
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,320
another with comics least will bring out a bit of

1018
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,480
a domino effect. And I'm really starting to get scared

1019
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,719
as to how the late night day part will fare,

1020
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,599
at least within the next fifteen years. I do think

1021
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:42,719
that much like with Saturday morning television, I do think

1022
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,920
that a lot of that the networks will start going

1023
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,880
towards syndicated programs for that particular day part. And I'm

1024
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,119
afraid that, you know, and I think NBCD be the

1025
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:53,119
last holdout because you know, they've they've had the night

1026
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:56,079
just in the years and almost seventy five, and you know,

1027
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:58,239
they've had late night for over forty so I do

1028
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,400
think they will still hold on stead a muchs they

1029
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,239
possibly can, but then newer executives will come in. Executives

1030
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,679
will come in starting to say, you know, why do

1031
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:07,760
think we neep this? You know this antiquated format here

1032
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,719
and nobody's watching it. Let's bring it something up. So

1033
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,679
that's what I'm afraid of. I do because I know

1034
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,239
that Felon and Myers have their contracts up in twenty

1035
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,800
twenty eight. They might extended one more year if they

1036
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,920
really if they really really want to, but will whenever

1037
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,199
they leave, I'm afraid that they might be the last

1038
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,679
hosts of their of the of their respective franchises, and

1039
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,880
that will be exceedingly sad. And I also think that

1040
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,119
the same will happen with with Kimmel. I think that

1041
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,719
when Kimble steps down, he didn't run a franchise. It

1042
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,960
was his show for over twenty years and so and

1043
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:40,559
so I think he did extend it for one more

1044
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:42,719
year U until twenty twenty steven, but after he got

1045
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,039
taken off the air because the affiliates were wanted they

1046
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:48,880
were disconstruing what he was saying in a monologue. I

1047
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,559
don't think he'll I don't think he'll want to stay

1048
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,559
as long as he as as long as as long

1049
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:56,519
as you think he wants to stay. And so once

1050
00:46:56,559 --> 00:46:59,639
he steps down, I think the ABC will probably I

1051
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,679
bring Nightline back to the eleven thirty five slot and

1052
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:07,280
against City Fallon and Byron aut one and then and

1053
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,800
then eventually if Nightline isn't doing as well or they

1054
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,000
move Nightline to like, you know, the date line slot

1055
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:16,159
over like eight pm of Friday, something like that, then

1056
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,920
then we'll send or sorry not nine pm on Fridays.

1057
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,559
And then we'll start to see then we'll start to see,

1058
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:22,599
you know, sence some sort of indicator taking over for

1059
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:26,199
ABC's slots as well. It's kind of scary. I mean,

1060
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,639
I've been a fan of Late Nights as any four

1061
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,800
since I was at least since I was twelve. I mean,

1062
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,239
my mom would play like clips of the Tonight Show

1063
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,760
on a tape that she recorded when I was one

1064
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,079
year old, and so I would and so I would

1065
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:40,880
listen to this in one clip of the Tonight Show

1066
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,360
over and over again. She wanted to record it and

1067
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:43,920
play it for me so that I would learn how

1068
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,440
to spell. I not a spell, but it wasn't because

1069
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,960
of that clip when I became the result of that

1070
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,159
clip was every game of fan Sonny Carson.

1071
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 2: So it's gonna say I was gonna psychoanalyze the man

1072
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,159
sitting in front of the rainbow curtain. I mean, I

1073
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,280
don't have a degree, but there's not much to figure

1074
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,599
out there. I think Jimmy Kimmel stays he's in his fifties.

1075
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:08,599
That Colbert audience, let's just half ass math. Oh yeah,

1076
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:11,280
A third of them goes away. So there's two thirds

1077
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,639
of people who liked watching something at eleven thirty. I

1078
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:17,000
think they go to Kimmel over fallon. So I think

1079
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:20,599
Kimmel becomes the new king of late night. And if

1080
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:23,239
he is fifty eight to fifty nine, sixty years old,

1081
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,760
if he's not doing that, what are you doing? I

1082
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,760
think you do like we talked about Lauren Michaels, you

1083
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,599
need a reason. What is your existence? He already has

1084
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:33,760
the summers off, he already has a long vacation over

1085
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,880
the winter break. I'm sure if he said, you know what,

1086
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,280
follow the Carson model, the Howard Stern moel, you know what,

1087
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:40,800
I'm only gonna do three days and I want a

1088
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:41,840
guest host on Mondays.

1089
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: Sure, Jimmy no problem take over his show. So yeah, yeah,

1090
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,039
that makes yeah, I mean that that is actually alid

1091
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,360
point a bunch of valid points. So yeah, I mean

1092
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:56,239
I do think that after what went on with with

1093
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,239
the FBC and everything like that, and thankfully ADYC have

1094
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,719
his back after all that place. Yeah, I mean I

1095
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,039
was a little bit more. I was a little bit

1096
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,519
more pessimistic on that, but I think the optimism, the

1097
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,840
more optimistic view is that, yeah, he would probably become

1098
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:12,760
at the US fourth the new king of late night

1099
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,920
and just become the ratings leader and everything like that.

1100
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: Sorry, the Gutfell people are going to get very mad

1101
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,519
at me. Gutfeld is the king of ten PM Eastern,

1102
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:23,559
seven West. They're going to get very mad.

1103
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,599
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. Gudfeld

1104
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:29,800
is a primetime show. It has always been. I mean,

1105
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:31,800
I'm sure it's been a late night show when it

1106
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,639
was on at eleven o'clock or something like that, but

1107
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:35,679
they moved it up to ten pm, and ever since

1108
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,719
then it's ten pm Eastern, nine PM Central, eight pm Mountain,

1109
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,079
seven pm Pacific. I don't even know. It might be

1110
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:43,840
on the middle of the afternoon in Hawaii, I really

1111
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,320
don't know. I don't know if they go back to

1112
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:48,239
the time over the No, it's a primetime show. It's

1113
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,639
a late night format, and not even like a great one.

1114
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:52,960
It's basically a panel show. It's kind of like The Five,

1115
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:57,480
but with the studio audience. But I mean it's pretty

1116
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:00,360
much his show Red Eye, but with the studio audience,

1117
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,400
and not at three o'clock in the morning or something

1118
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,960
like that. So but no, it's a primetime show and

1119
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,400
it reflects the the the audience that are that are

1120
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:10,920
up at that hour. I mean that the fact that

1121
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,679
it's on at seven pm in the West Coast means

1122
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,199
that any that a whole bunch of people that are

1123
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:15,800
watching Fox News will be able to just we'll just

1124
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,599
be able to see it. And that's how they're able

1125
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:22,360
to very cynically teut their out, their out their ratings.

1126
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,159
Even though they're saying, oh, we be Colbert, You're not

1127
00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:26,559
on the set times Cold Beert. That doesn't work. Let's

1128
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:28,559
saying an Oprah is better than like the Rick d

1129
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,320
Show or something like that. You can't do that here,

1130
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,519
you know, no, that that just doesn't work. So yeah,

1131
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,159
I'm really aggravated by Fox's Way in order to say

1132
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:40,559
that that's the late night show because it is now. Granted,

1133
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,159
I do remember John Mlady show Everybody's in La had

1134
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:47,760
the same format. I mean it was definitely there was

1135
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,559
a lot more cloudy, or a lot more like pre

1136
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:51,320
taped segments and everything like that. It was a lot

1137
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,239
more like a late night talk show, except it was

1138
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,880
more like Worth Griffin than Johnny Carson. And while I

1139
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,119
would call that a primetime show, was definitely had more

1140
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:04,400
late night sensibilities than cut Field, and so I mean,

1141
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,639
I wouldn't include it as like a late night show

1142
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,480
in like late night Ers group of shows that they're

1143
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,599
paying attention to late night, mainly because Netflix's ratings are

1144
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:16,159
completely beat altogether. But but do see that more as

1145
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:20,400
a late night style show. Sure than Than Than got feilt.

1146
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: And Malaney didn't work. And you're reminding me now with

1147
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:25,039
the Netflix as the Joe Comedy Festival coming up at

1148
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:26,920
the start of May, they haven't announced that they're taping

1149
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,920
any episodes of that show, So I assume it's over now.

1150
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,280
As a lot of time as a long time programmer, producer,

1151
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,159
and I said this at the time, the show wasn't

1152
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:38,000
working and I get that. Mullaney was like, we like

1153
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:39,639
to be all over the place. And believe me, I've

1154
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:43,920
had that conversation with hosts a million times, but when

1155
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,800
in doubt, put a format on something. I grew up

1156
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,039
in New York City radio and I worked with John R. Gambling,

1157
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,360
who had taken over the show for John A. Gambling.

1158
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:56,239
Rambling with Gambling was the longest running radio show in history.

1159
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,280
And I remember John R. Saying to me one day,

1160
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,559
doing this in a long time, there's a format, it works,

1161
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,519
just do that, and he was right. It was one

1162
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:07,239
of the great lessons in my early radio career. I

1163
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,000
think mulaney needed to have a little bit of more

1164
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,559
of a format on it. And because it was you know,

1165
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:16,440
you've got Jerry Seinfeld sitting here, don't water it down

1166
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,760
with you know, a volcano expert or whatever you were doing,

1167
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,800
like just throw the ball, Hey, Jerry, what's up?

1168
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,079
Speaker 1: And then stop talking exactly. Yeah, yeah, And that's that's

1169
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:28,320
among the reasons why I like the Carson Letterman O'Brien

1170
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,719
model of having one particular guest talking for a particular

1171
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,880
for a segment, having it to be like a full

1172
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,639
range conversation. I mean, that. Graham Norton is a great

1173
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:40,559
example of that. He does an excellent show over over

1174
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:43,159
in England, and I know that I know that I'll

1175
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:45,039
do that swift to that well. But at least for

1176
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:47,599
American viewers, we're kind of used to having like, you know,

1177
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,639
one set guest to be talking with the host and

1178
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:53,440
interacting with the host. Now, granted, the Norm McDonald not

1179
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,719
to be everythist and there was an actress from Meloe's

1180
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,400
Place was on and Norm Groop just having to be

1181
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,360
sitting that just happen to be sitting off the side

1182
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,599
and he started getting like all sorts of ribbing about

1183
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:05,599
you know, that's using the movie German words or to

1184
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:08,639
one classic late night moment, And that would not have

1185
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:10,840
happened if Norm was just not in the room obviously.

1186
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,000
But I do think that in a lot of cases,

1187
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,039
especially if you have like a essentially, if you want

1188
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:17,119
to establish a format, you do want to have like

1189
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:19,559
one set guest and then maybe even start out with

1190
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,239
like the volcano expert to talk about volcanos or something

1191
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,480
like that, because unless you unless you're dealing with somebody

1192
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:28,480
who has a great improvisational mind, like Tina Fey when

1193
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:30,960
she was being asked about dinosaurs. I don't know who

1194
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,360
would absolutely work and even then the conversation went back

1195
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,760
to Lauren Michael. So yeah, it was like one of

1196
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,440
the It was like one of the great quotes rubber

1197
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,159
reading in the or another biography there where he wor

1198
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,280
going on the play and said, it doesn't matter who

1199
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:49,599
you're talking, it doesn't matter what you're talking about him

1200
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:51,440
and talking with somebody who has worked with Warren, the

1201
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,679
conversation will eventually go back to war Earlier.

1202
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: He used the phrase domino effect. And let me throw

1203
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,679
this one past you. I'm hoping if Bill Carter has

1204
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,599
a trilogy in him, this will be in the third

1205
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,320
in the Late Night Saga trilogy. At one point, Taylor

1206
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,599
Tomlinson was renewed at twelve thirty. Okay, it was renewed.

1207
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,599
The plan is we're going to keep doing this And

1208
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:15,159
then she said, no, were they still going to get

1209
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,519
rid of Colbert? And were you gonna run Byron Allen

1210
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:22,119
at eleven thirty and Taylor at twelve thirty or or

1211
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,599
or And I can't say this loudly enough. I am

1212
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,920
not blaming Taylor Tomlin said, I can't scream that loudly enough. However,

1213
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,239
was there a butterfly effect where she says no, which

1214
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,719
starts a conversation in the programming rooms going do we

1215
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,800
need a twelve thirty show? And then, once they got

1216
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,960
comfortable with that, do we need an eleven thirty show?

1217
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,760
What if we didn't have an eleven thirty show? Now

1218
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,400
that's great, no, but what if we didn't have an

1219
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,280
eleven thirty show?

1220
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: I will say that, And granted, I think that if

1221
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:54,840
there was anybody to provide like a definitive history of that,

1222
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:57,239
Beagal Carter for like a third book or something like that.

1223
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,400
You know, it's like the late shift, the war for

1224
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,039
late not gonna be like the death of late nighters,

1225
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,800
now know. But I do think that given the fact

1226
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,800
that CDs did not did not even consider bringing in

1227
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,440
another host, record Midnight does speak volumes not to say that,

1228
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,280
And unfortunately it was not the same. Nobody can talk

1229
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,119
to Taylor Tomlinson. People were talking about how different guest

1230
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:17,760
hosts that or that were on the show. We're doing

1231
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,000
exceedingly well. I do think that it was definitely a

1232
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,360
butterfly effect to say that they've made them more open

1233
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,000
to to to removing to removing the laid show when

1234
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,800
they were getting all these sorts of when they were

1235
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,000
getting all the different a flag from the from the

1236
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:35,079
FCC and everything like that, and especially from like tweetsing

1237
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:39,880
the president and after they paid like the dollars but

1238
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,639
forgot about But yeah, yeah, I Steven didn't. But anyway, No,

1239
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:46,880
I do think that it is. I think that it

1240
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,719
was Taylor definitely wanted it was. Definitely it was only

1241
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,760
a Canarian the coal mine in regards to how much

1242
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,679
do people value you hosting a network television program, and

1243
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,360
again not blading Taylor on this one, Taylor did not

1244
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:04,400
feel that hosting after midnight would be as neither be

1245
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,119
not as fulfilling or not as profitable as sticking with

1246
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:12,039
her stand up comedy career. And that is that That

1247
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,239
definitely says a lot in regards to how people are

1248
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,960
approaching late night talk shows now, because because you may

1249
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,880
have said multiple times over appearing on a Carson, appearing

1250
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,760
on Carson as a stand up comedian and then being

1251
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,800
called to the chair, your career was pretty much set

1252
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:31,280
practically for a lot yeap, unless you did something really

1253
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,320
awful or you just went like a whole bunch of

1254
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,880
bad or just a whole bunch of bad shows, and

1255
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:38,719
like that. You could dine off of that financially as

1256
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,159
well as in your career for decades. People are still

1257
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:45,239
doing that now right now, and is doing that now.

1258
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,280
So yeah, I do think that it was that that

1259
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,440
the fact that somebody wanted to leave the late night

1260
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,480
talk show in order to focus on stand up instead

1261
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,239
of the other way around. It was definitely CBS's way.

1262
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,320
It was definitely a notification to CBS saying this is

1263
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,960
not as valuable for even the host anymore, and and

1264
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:05,880
and there. I'm sure there could be a lot of

1265
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,320
people that would say otherwise, but the fact that it

1266
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,960
happened this once, especially to someone who was as hyper

1267
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:17,599
as high Profiles Taylor, definitely definitely what would definitely have

1268
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:20,239
been a sort of source of a conversation. Again, not

1269
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,039
believing Taylor at all, she is an excellent stand up

1270
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:24,840
comedian and I think that she made the right decision

1271
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,800
for her career as well as her fans and everything

1272
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,440
like that. But you are correct, do you think it

1273
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,239
was a It was definitely away in order for It

1274
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,880
was definitely cds's It was the catalyst for CBS in

1275
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,559
order to say what we need to rethink of this

1276
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:41,000
particular part of.

1277
00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:43,119
Speaker 2: You've been very generous with your time, so I'll start

1278
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:45,480
heading for home. Here I do want to talk about

1279
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:47,480
I think you're right about Colbert. It's more than just

1280
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:49,840
the money. And sure it is the money, but I

1281
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,679
also keep gying back to that. They went straight to

1282
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,360
the show's over. There were a conversation that could be had.

1283
00:57:55,679 --> 00:57:58,280
You start to get ugly, you go, do we need

1284
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,079
a band? No? So what if we tape two on

1285
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:03,199
Wednesday and it's a three day week and we cut

1286
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:05,119
everybody's salary twenty percent. I don't want to do that

1287
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:07,280
to my people. Well it's that or nothing. Okay, we'll

1288
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,199
do three shows. Jimmy Kimmel's not on the summer, so

1289
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:11,639
you're not gonna be on in the summer. Well I

1290
00:58:11,639 --> 00:58:13,719
don't like that. Will too bad? And we're gonna take

1291
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:17,000
an eight week break at Christmas time and you're gonna

1292
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,280
cut your salary by a quarter, and some stand up

1293
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,639
comedian's gonna host Mondays. Too bad. There were all kinds

1294
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:24,559
of the Ed Sullivant Theater. We're gonna sell this big

1295
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:27,159
building and we're gonna lock you in a black Box

1296
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:29,159
theater on the in the West Village, and you're gonna

1297
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:31,239
do the show to forty people. Too bad. There were

1298
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,920
conversations to be had that they didn't even try. It

1299
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,039
was just like, you know what, we don't need this.

1300
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:39,639
Speaker 1: Those shorts conversations did happen with Seth and with Jimmy

1301
00:58:39,639 --> 00:58:42,119
Fallon for God's sake, so we Jimmy is not only

1302
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:44,440
taping four days a week. He was taping five days

1303
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,320
a week until last year, up until like twenty twenty four,

1304
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,039
he and Seth Meyers he lost his band. He only

1305
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:53,320
records three days a week. He records one show on

1306
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,079
Monday at two shows on Monday, the Tuesday episode, And

1307
00:58:56,119 --> 00:58:57,719
that's the reason why he doesn't have any It doesn't

1308
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:00,880
have a closer look at it, because you could change

1309
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,920
completely in by the end of the day, as we

1310
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,639
mentioned at the beginning. But yeah, they take two shows

1311
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:07,320
on Monday, one show on Wednesday, and one show on

1312
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,599
Thursday to do corrections and that's it. Yeah, And there

1313
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:12,400
are also different sorts of like you know, the things

1314
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,519
that are happening behind the scenes, you don't see them

1315
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:17,000
go out on the road as many times. I think

1316
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:18,840
the only reason that Fallon was able to do a

1317
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,960
show for WAS. I was able to do a show,

1318
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,039
one show, not even the week of shows, but one

1319
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:27,519
episode in Detroit was because it was WAS. It was

1320
00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:31,519
basically sponsored by Ford. I mean, originally the network would

1321
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:33,400
just say, hey, just take everybody, just go over to

1322
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,000
this over to the to like, you know, Chicago for

1323
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:38,159
a week or something like that. You know, Letterman did that,

1324
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:42,039
Coden did that, Jay did that multiple times over I'm sure,

1325
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,239
but yeah, I mean there are a lot of there

1326
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,360
are a lot of ways in order to cut the cut,

1327
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,039
the fat, cut the cut, you know, further expenses from

1328
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,880
the show. But instead they said, okay, we have this

1329
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,639
thirty three year old, you know, franchise that has established

1330
00:59:57,639 --> 00:59:59,840
are that has established some sort of dominance in late

1331
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,119
It may not be ultimate dominance, but we are at

1332
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:04,360
least number we are at least number three in the

1333
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,599
time in the time slot here. We're just gonna let

1334
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:09,320
it go entirely. We're going, you know, there's the franchise

1335
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,519
that was started by Letterman, I get tee you by Colbert.

1336
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,480
It ends it is over the end. No that that

1337
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,280
that's not how you do it. There as soon as

1338
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,519
you fore Kimmel, you know, has the summers off, and

1339
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:19,920
they're a bunch and they're a bunch of guess hos

1340
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,559
those guests as are being paid Steve as me, So yeah,

1341
01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:26,840
I definitely do see that as uh as like different

1342
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,239
sorts of alternatives that could have been done in order

1343
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,000
to offset the cost of the Late Show, and they

1344
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,760
didn't do that. They just they just cut it off

1345
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,800
with the knee. And I think that is exceedingly specious

1346
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,440
and then very and exceedingly and that.

1347
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:42,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just you give me ideas that I'm sitting

1348
01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:45,079
here with my producer brain on if we're willing to

1349
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:48,000
accept Byron Allen numbers. All right, let's lock Colbert. Hey,

1350
01:00:48,159 --> 01:00:50,000
can you work an extra fifteen minutes on Tuesday and

1351
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,440
do some wraps for Hey, it's Stephen Colbert. It's the

1352
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,039
best of the interviews. And tonight I'm gonna have the

1353
01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:57,480
three times I had Marty short on and just hand

1354
01:00:57,519 --> 01:00:59,639
that in and run that. You know, it's not gonna

1355
01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:03,320
be worse than Byron Allen it and I shouldn't. I mean,

1356
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,360
I know it's cool to dump on Byron Allen. The

1357
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,760
guy's a billionaire. He knows the business. He knows what

1358
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,920
he's handing in here. But Byron Allen's not stupid. Byron

1359
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,440
Allen's not going, oh, this is going to do a

1360
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,480
fifteen share. He's saying, I know how to make money

1361
01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:18,639
doing this. That's why the show is evergreen. I don't

1362
01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:21,119
think Byron Allen's tell you this is cool, cutting edge comedy.

1363
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,639
I think he's telling you this is evergreen stuff which

1364
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:26,599
we can monetize and CBS will make some money on it.

1365
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:28,679
I Byron Allen, the guy can make some money on it,

1366
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:30,239
and that's what we're doing here, and it's going to

1367
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,239
get a zero point six and whatever.

1368
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, No. I try not to cast any

1369
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,159
expurgeons on Byron Allen as a person. I do think

1370
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:42,320
that the fact that that that conmoncept's downright abysmal, but

1371
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,360
I do. But I gotta give Creed get you know,

1372
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,679
I gotta get some props to Byron for the longevity

1373
01:01:47,679 --> 01:01:49,679
that he's had. I mean part of the Tonight Show.

1374
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:51,480
At the age of seventeen, he was on Real People,

1375
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,920
He did shows like The Entertainers for like for a

1376
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,880
bull Overard dec Katie Adams on The Night Talk Show

1377
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,360
for a bit. So yeah, he does. He knows the

1378
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,519
entertainment industry, and he's able to find ways in order

1379
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:04,320
to make money in that industry. And he's not a billionaire,

1380
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,199
and he's to water Channel for godsake. I do think

1381
01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:08,440
that he is a very shrewd businessman and knows how

1382
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,760
to put together a television program. I just think of

1383
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,559
the television program that's being replaced, that's replacing the Late Show.

1384
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:16,960
It should not be that, but but what do I know?

1385
01:02:17,159 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: But there's something about the texture of it. Whereas if

1386
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,760
they just said, you know what, we're just gonna run

1387
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,880
We've got twenty five years of CSIS, We're just gonna

1388
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,880
run CSI Miami every night at eleven thirty like they

1389
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,920
used to do in the eighties. You know, they'd run

1390
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,559
old Hawaii five. Oh's was a thing.

1391
01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:36,719
Speaker 1: I meant in between Colbert and enlightnenmen. They were showing

1392
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,840
the mental illness on that in that time slot. So yeah, absolutely,

1393
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,280
I somehow that would feel less offensive.

1394
01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:45,079
Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know why, just that

1395
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:46,920
that would just be like, all right, they're not even trying.

1396
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,880
Whereas there's something I don't know, I guess because it

1397
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,159
is paid programming or I don't know what it is.

1398
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: It was three runs of CBS shows. I would say, oh,

1399
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,960
at least theirs CBS shows, you know, they're the family.

1400
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let me let you get out of here.

1401
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,599
You've been super awesome with your time. What are you

1402
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:05,719
up to? Where we find you? What's your deal? You know,

1403
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:06,440
what are you plugging?

1404
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,239
Speaker 1: Well? I I post a lot on threads. I don't

1405
01:03:09,239 --> 01:03:10,719
know if that's much of a plug at all.

1406
01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're great on threads. That's why you're here,

1407
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,599
That's why. That's where I found you. I'd never talked

1408
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:19,280
to you till seventy minutes ago, and you're gratefully fine.

1409
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you so much. But yeah, so I'm

1410
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,480
Obiro on threads. My user name, my name is spelled weird,

1411
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:26,960
so it's f A R D m U h A

1412
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:28,960
M M A D. And you can also find me there.

1413
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:32,280
You can also find me on the name on on Instagram,

1414
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:35,360
not on Facebook. It's under mister f It's m R

1415
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:37,760
F A r D blah blah blah. And uh, you know,

1416
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,039
I I do have a YouTube channel and I'm trying

1417
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:42,199
to put together episodes of the talk show show. I

1418
01:03:42,239 --> 01:03:45,840
have two shorts and I also filmed something regardless about

1419
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Letterman and Linto appearing in that appearing in that Late

1420
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:51,519
show commercial. That's something you thought it was as commercial

1421
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:53,159
or something like that. I still need to edit TI me.

1422
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:54,519
I need to be shooting and I don't know, but

1423
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:56,880
but yeah, you just find me on YouTube is under

1424
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,400
w TFG seventy eight. I'm trying to make it look

1425
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,239
like a YE station or something like that. And yeah,

1426
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,880
I mean you might see me in like comedy clubs

1427
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,199
and then Los Angeles as an audience member. You know,

1428
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:09,599
you just listen for my laugh or something like that. Also,

1429
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:11,920
you could probably find the video of me lashing on

1430
01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:14,679
Conan the audience there on my YouTube channel as well.

1431
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:16,679
I thought that was a really cool experience. We could

1432
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:17,559
talk about that another time.

1433
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Speaker 2: And that was always my thing. If I went to

1434
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:21,519
see a taping of Late Night with Letterman, I would

1435
01:04:21,519 --> 01:04:24,159
make sure I was the last person clapping. The last

1436
01:04:24,159 --> 01:04:27,079
clap was always meds. All right, I'll let you go.

1437
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:29,079
I'm sure I will invite you back since we can

1438
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clearly talk for hours.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, free time, great chatting, Willia, all right, by bye,