Speaker 1: Scientists sound the alarm over a troubling phenomenon for forcing
Speaker 1: them to actually rethink everything. Fordigability has become more of
Speaker 1: a challenge. I think that our Infidel sixty four has
Speaker 1: a story Infidel.
Speaker 2: Thanks at the end. As extreme weather events become increasingly unpredictable,
Speaker 2: researchers struggle to adjust their climate models that keep up
Speaker 2: with the rising impact of climate change. From shifting ocean
Speaker 2: currents to unprecedented flooding. The increased volatility of weather is
Speaker 2: making it difficult to prepare for natural disasters that are
Speaker 2: hitting vulnerable communities around the world. In this chaotic climate environment,
Speaker 2: to focus on research and preparedness have never been more critical. However,
Speaker 2: the very systems meant to protect us are under threat
Speaker 2: budget cuts and political pressure to reduce climate research finding
Speaker 2: or weakening the infrastructures needed to monitor and address these
Speaker 2: growing risks. For decades, powerful corporations of ignored climate change change.
Speaker 2: They've all so spread information, undermined scientific consensus, all in
Speaker 2: the name of profit. We now find ourselves in a
Speaker 2: precarious situation, favous facing climate uncertainty with weakened scientific instruct
Speaker 2: institutions that should be guiding US storage solutions. The pursuit
Speaker 2: of corporate profits have led us to this point where
Speaker 2: the future of both the planet and its people hang
Speaker 2: in the balance. Are As Malcolm X once said at
Speaker 2: the assassination of JFK, the chickens are coming home to roost. Now,
Speaker 2: these stories, I don't remember where they came from, but
Speaker 2: I'm sure that Cynthia will be more than happy to
Speaker 2: tell me where they did.
Speaker 1: Cynthia, if I knew, Yeah, get cooled down by Chelsea,
Speaker 1: Down Chelsea, thank you, Ajayes, thank you Ja down from
Speaker 1: by col Chelsea Cooks Long February fourteenth, Valentine's Day, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. So you know, God, since you want ahead
Speaker 1: to introduce the story to us, I'm going to have
Speaker 1: the first time. I'm going to have the first question
Speaker 1: come to you. So, if client models are becoming less reliable,
Speaker 1: what should policymakers prioritize to prepare for unpredictable extremes and weather.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the first mistake is to say that
Speaker 2: the people in charge now would want to prepare for anything.
Speaker 2: I think that pretty much what we're seeing is a
Speaker 2: reactionary let somebody else worry about it. We're not now.
Speaker 2: Of course, now is a time where we should be
Speaker 2: increasing funding and focusing on understanding these extreme weather events,
Speaker 2: because they're going to become more significant, not less. And
Speaker 2: we see that, and we've continued to see that, but
Speaker 2: we're going to see this reduction. As I like to
Speaker 2: look at it, I think of it as an imperfect
Speaker 2: storm of corporate interest and policy. You know, right now
Speaker 2: we're seeing a lot of implementation of Project twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: and it's that storm inside of another storm where there
Speaker 2: once again, as I mentioned earlier, they're essentially putting corporate
Speaker 2: profits over actual research and a climate change because they're
Speaker 2: driven and motivated by people who quite literally have the
Speaker 2: opposite desire. That's what their goal is.
Speaker 1: We're to your mother, Glen, I completely completely are down
Speaker 1: with what you're putting down. Okay, you know, this is
Speaker 1: kind of funny, like when you think about the recent
Speaker 1: terminations of federal employees and are civil servants, and they
Speaker 1: serve in these different agencies that actually, I don't know,
Speaker 1: do the work on predictability when it comes to climate,
Speaker 1: it makes no sense to get rid of them, because
Speaker 1: then if you're going to get rid of the people
Speaker 1: who are actually qualified to do the work. How in
Speaker 1: the hell will we have the data going to the future,
Speaker 1: and how for us to pull these particular issues with
Speaker 1: I digress. That's like what my dad used to say.
Speaker 1: You guys know what my dad used to say.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: He used to say, Cindy. That's my pet name, by
Speaker 1: the bat. If you didn't know Cindy, that's too much
Speaker 1: like right, So Aaron, I want to ask you how
Speaker 1: how could researchers balance the urgency of solutions like geo
Speaker 1: engineering with the risk of unintended consquences?
Speaker 3: What do you mean what kind of unintended consequences?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we had Glenn introduced the story where
Speaker 1: we were talking about how like some of the models
Speaker 1: that you know, previous climate experts had are not as
Speaker 1: reliable as they used to be, right, And so now
Speaker 1: it's to the point where I don't necessarily think that
Speaker 1: it's this hatchet, but you have, you know, some of
Speaker 1: our experts still kind of just like, you know, throwing
Speaker 1: caution to the wind to try to come up with
Speaker 1: what type of strategy in order for them to battle
Speaker 1: such things. But if it's not based on a model
Speaker 1: where it has a more predictable, you know, sense where
Speaker 1: we can you know, be comfortable. You know, there may
Speaker 1: be some unintended consequences that come with some of the
Speaker 1: you know, policies that we come up with just based
Speaker 1: on observation alone. So how do we quell that? How
Speaker 1: do we you know, look at like, hey, we really
Speaker 1: really need to do something and balance it with but
Speaker 1: there could be a consequence for what we do.
Speaker 3: I'm story, I still, I'm still, I'm not quite sure
Speaker 3: I understand your question.
Speaker 1: I eloquently laid out to you.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I mean it was PBS like light. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying the way Glenn, I'm going to come.
Speaker 2: To you connecting these dots. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: It's okay, Glenn, based on what I asked, Aaron, if
Speaker 1: you if you want to go ahead and and pontificate,
Speaker 1: that's great, And then Aaron, I want you to listen
Speaker 1: to his answer, and I want you to counter thank
Speaker 1: you Ken Burn's Momentaron.
Speaker 2: Sorry, it was really good.
Speaker 1: Sorry, God, damn, I felt Morgan Freeman talking and everything. Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I heard PBS music playing in the
Speaker 2: background at least. But seriously, though, I think that what
Speaker 2: Cynthia's talking about, and I may be wrong, is the
Speaker 2: fact that because funding is going to be so inadequate
Speaker 2: and our current models are so incomplete, that it almost
Speaker 2: puts us in a paralysis mode because if we start
Speaker 2: acting upon incomplete data, there could be unexpected consequences that
Speaker 2: result from that because our models are broken, and our
Speaker 2: models are broken because a we're accelerating at such a
Speaker 2: rate and we've continued to underfund this aspect of climate research.
Speaker 3: Anything I think, I know, I am so confused because
Speaker 3: there's fucking nothing.
Speaker 2: We can do, you know, and confused about your question.
Speaker 3: Because I'm not a meteorologist.
Speaker 2: I don't play one on TV. I don't play on
Speaker 2: the movie That'll know any like.
Speaker 3: There's really there's the I mean, the only thing we
Speaker 3: can do is elect government officials that understand that scientists
Speaker 3: are bipartisan, that by their very nature, they just go
Speaker 3: where the data goes. They study what weather is doing,
Speaker 3: They come up with models, and I have to say
Speaker 3: that the weather models that we they've come up to
Speaker 3: the past I don't know forty years of my life,
Speaker 3: have been extraordinary what they can predict and how far
Speaker 3: ahead they can predict it nowadays is pretty amazing, right,
Speaker 3: And if we're gonna if if we're going to cut
Speaker 3: funding on people coming up with new models to match
Speaker 3: what's happening to our climate, yeah, we're fucked. There's nothing
Speaker 3: we can do. I can't hire meteorologists, right. All we
Speaker 3: can do is elect people that believe in climate change,
Speaker 3: that believe that science is are is nonpartisan issues that
Speaker 3: what the data says is what the data says. Elect
Speaker 3: people that don't change weather maps to include affected areas
Speaker 3: that were actually affected. I mean, as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 3: taking care of the planet is good for everybody, right,
Speaker 3: Who doesn't want clean air, who doesn't want clean water,
Speaker 3: who doesn't want to know where a hurricane's going to
Speaker 3: end so they can get the heck out of dodge,
Speaker 3: who doesn't want to be protected, who doesn't want to
Speaker 3: make sure that our natural resources are sustainable and that
Speaker 3: they're always available and always useful for us. It's the
Speaker 3: partisan portion of climate change just is flabbergasts me.
Speaker 2: Does that answer your.
Speaker 3: Question, Cynthia?
Speaker 2: Yes? And I'm going to agree with one thing you
Speaker 2: said er to say, all right, is the fact that
Speaker 2: you're right, there's nothing we can do, right, now, because
Speaker 2: the bottom line is the group of people that are
Speaker 2: in power right now are going to make this situation
Speaker 2: worse because, ay, you ask who doesn't care? There are
Speaker 2: people in this country who value profit over the long
Speaker 2: term well being of the planet, for themselves, for their children,
Speaker 2: for their grandchildren, and they're showing that, they're demonstrating that.
Speaker 2: So what can we do right now? We're behind the
Speaker 2: eight ball. We're already behind don't climate change, and we're
Speaker 2: going to get further behind. That's what's going to happen now.
Speaker 2: What are the ramifications of this? Well, of course, vulnerable
Speaker 2: communities are going to be at risk. You know, we're
Speaker 2: seeing Project twenty twenty five and I hate to bring
Speaker 2: it up again, but it really pervades everything that's going
Speaker 2: on now, and we're seeing them work to cut these
Speaker 2: very programs. So until we get the people who have
Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five in their brains out of our government,
Speaker 2: we're not going to impact it at all.
Speaker 1: You know, Aaron, I'm very disappointed because I feel that
Speaker 1: you have not gotten your fill on nature documentaries on
Speaker 1: PBS and that really shames me. So when you leave
Speaker 1: this recording, I need you to catch up and start
Speaker 1: with the March of the Penguins narrated by Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 3: I will watch anything narrated by Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 1: I know, I know he has that voice, like, you know,
Speaker 1: the penguins are walking down or whatever the hell he says.
Speaker 1: It's been a while since I watched that. Ay J,
Speaker 1: let me bring you into the conversation. I'm just listen.
Speaker 4: I'm just over here.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, we don't. We don't want
Speaker 1: you just to be you know, you know somebody that's
Speaker 1: actually just like looking. I want you to participate too.
Speaker 1: So I think that we Glenn and Aaron kind of
Speaker 1: touched on us a little bit. But like, if you
Speaker 1: you know, want to add a bit more to the discourse,
Speaker 1: I really would appreciate it. What role should governments play
Speaker 1: in funding climate research? I mean, like one of the
Speaker 1: things that we saw immediately on day one is that,
Speaker 1: you know, the Trump administration recoiled from the crime the
Speaker 1: Paris Climate Climate Accords after Biden put us back in
Speaker 1: the Paris Climate the courts and we are pushing and
Speaker 1: we have taken down actual data that has been collected
Speaker 1: by you know, geologists and other climate experts that really
Speaker 1: talked about you know, weather patterns, you know changes and
Speaker 1: like you know how it's affecting us as an elect
Speaker 1: from you know, the White House website. So with that
Speaker 1: being said, what should our government play? What role should
Speaker 1: the government play and actually funding this research, especially when
Speaker 1: proposing cuts which we see so much right now while
Speaker 1: others are increasing investments.
Speaker 4: I think they should play a key mode in funding
Speaker 4: this type of research. It's like a basic thing that
Speaker 4: they can do for the American people. Okay, in the
Speaker 4: American as we said earlier, we need protections to be
Speaker 4: able to know if a hurricane is coming, if any
Speaker 4: type of natural disaster is coming. You want to have
Speaker 4: the federal government on your side funding research that is bipartisan,
Speaker 4: that is not just you know, one side or the other.
Speaker 4: And that's what scientists do. They getting to the new
Speaker 4: control of it, and they find they follow the data,
Speaker 4: they follow the facts. They're not like, oh, hey, you know,
Speaker 4: let's go make this hurricane democratic.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So, but the problem that we're seeing now, as Infidel stated,
Speaker 4: is Project twenty twenty five. Their target seem to be
Speaker 4: as far as as climate okay, and the weather services
Speaker 4: they've been targeting. Noah, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Speaker 4: They plan to privatize it so that it only provides
Speaker 4: data to private companies in all about the profits. So
Speaker 4: it calls for, like the Project twenty twenty five ideas
Speaker 4: about global warming and climate change and weather patterns, calls
Speaker 4: for reviewing things like the work of the National Huroce Center,
Speaker 4: asking that they remain more neutral with their communications and
Speaker 4: that they no longer make points about climate change being
Speaker 4: you know, a factoring in like increasing streng a number
Speaker 4: of hurricanes and such things. And of course the plan
Speaker 4: includes this bending research about climate change specifically, which is
Speaker 4: a shocker. So when at this point we have our
Speaker 4: government completely failing to protect the American people from the
Speaker 4: thread of global warming and climate change, that's when people
Speaker 4: have to take it upon themselves to make some changes
Speaker 4: to try to compe the situation. We may not be
Speaker 4: you know, meteorologists or be able to do anything about
Speaker 4: the science behind it, but we can do things.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: People need to realize that unless they give a fuck
Speaker 4: about climate change and keep talking about it, then nothing
Speaker 4: will get done from the top down. Otherwise, I think
Speaker 4: that people believe that their individual impact is never going
Speaker 4: to be enough. But if we look at other efforts,
Speaker 4: like I don't know, like there is strength in numbers.
Speaker 4: If you look at the protests that have been going
Speaker 4: around these days, like we have one person and that
Speaker 4: person brings somebody and that other person brings somebody.
Speaker 1: Then you're gonna have a pot of people.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have a chain of people. So what people
Speaker 4: can do to make a difference as far as global warming?
Speaker 4: And I understand that some people are more privileged than others,
Speaker 4: and that you know that not everybody can afford to
Speaker 4: do all of the things. But if you can afford
Speaker 4: to do one of the things, then do that one
Speaker 4: thing all right, like choo screen energy like if you can,
Speaker 4: if you can afford and changing your vehicle or putting
Speaker 4: solar partnets obviously that's that's like a really big big
Speaker 4: ticket one. But no car pulling, switch your light, bulls, recycle,
Speaker 4: watch what kind of packaging you buy items in. If
Speaker 4: you can bring your release of back to the store,
Speaker 4: bring it. You can make guard with a piece of fabric,
Speaker 4: right and prevent a lot of waste of plastic bags,
Speaker 4: use taper straws, whatever. Incorporate more plant based foods into
Speaker 4: your diet, like all of these little things are up,
Speaker 4: and like I said, I get personally do all of
Speaker 4: these things, and I do the want to stand out
Speaker 4: of feasible for me. But imagine if every single person
Speaker 4: cold enough to do one or two of these things,
Speaker 4: we could not have an impact.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like crazy to me. And I hear
Speaker 1: what you're saying, Like you know, as an electorate, we
Speaker 1: can you know, take some type of personal accountability in
Speaker 1: order for us to be able to reduce our carbon
Speaker 1: footprint because we care about our environment. But you know,
Speaker 1: if we if we want to keep it a buck,
Speaker 1: if we were to want to keep it like you know,
Speaker 1: all the way one hundred. We know that you know,
Speaker 1: the majority of the issues that we're having concerning climate change,
Speaker 1: waste and and even like you know, when it comes
Speaker 1: to environmental issues, when it comes when it comes to
Speaker 1: even like you know, gross negligence on how we treat
Speaker 1: our you know, the environment around us, it's mostly a
Speaker 1: corporate issue. And unfortunately, as much as like you know,
Speaker 1: I want to eat as many avocados as possible in
Speaker 1: my diet, you know, because you know that to nature's
Speaker 1: butter versus butter, I understand. I still understand that if
Speaker 1: less we actually have like you know, more corporations buying
Speaker 1: into hey, you need to take more accountability on how
Speaker 1: you actually are participating as a global neighbor and what
Speaker 1: you do as far as I practice is a concerned
Speaker 1: then we're going to have and we're going to really
Speaker 1: have like a problem because like the main people who
Speaker 1: are doing the waste is not being held accountable, nor
Speaker 1: are they really you know, buying into making changes the
Speaker 1: way that they ought to in order to stop waste.
Speaker 1: And I find it.
Speaker 5: Extremely problematic that the very agency that has dedicated its
Speaker 5: mission to understanding and predicting Earth climate change.
Speaker 1: Is being told not to report on Earth climate change.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's insane to me. But you know, unfortunately
Speaker 1: we're in brazarro Earth, guys. And and and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I understand, like, you know, there's like all these I
Speaker 1: don't know how many earths are in like the DC world.
Speaker 1: Is it like ten or is it infinite? Or does
Speaker 1: anybody right the quickly line with an eight that's on
Speaker 1: the side. What the hell? Oh my god, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: But you know, guys, I suppose like this last question
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna go ahead and just do a
Speaker 1: round Robin. I would like for all of you all
Speaker 1: to kind of just like chime in if you don't mind.
Speaker 1: And I think that Aja you touched on this. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Aaron and Glenn for this.
Speaker 1: How can individuals and communities adapt to extreme weather patterns
Speaker 1: without solely relying on uncertain scientific predictions. Aaron, I want
Speaker 1: you to start, and then Glenn I want you to
Speaker 1: follow up.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, that's tough. I would say, just to listen
Speaker 3: to the scientists. Listen to the experts, find people that understand,
Speaker 3: because I don't, I don't know, I can little don't
Speaker 3: know enough to answer that question. So I would seek
Speaker 3: out scientists and people that do understand on what we
Speaker 3: can do to prepare and get ready for and handle
Speaker 3: these events, because from what I understand, they're not going
Speaker 3: to go away. They're going to keep happening. They're going
Speaker 3: to increase in frequency, They're going to increase in severity.
Speaker 2: We have a problem.
Speaker 4: We have.
Speaker 3: Climate change is a problem, and as long as we
Speaker 3: don't recognize it as a problem and try to solve it, it's
Speaker 3: just going to get worse.
Speaker 2: I've got to say that the solution's really easy depending
Speaker 2: on which side you're on, because one side, their solution
Speaker 2: is profit over people, because that's what we're seeing demonstrated.
Speaker 2: So what's going to happen to those people, Well, some
Speaker 2: of them are going to die, some are going to
Speaker 2: be financially disadvantaged, many of them are going to end
Speaker 2: up relocating because there are things that are going to
Speaker 2: continue to happen. Is and the more we ignore this problem,
Speaker 2: the faster we have this runaway ball just going down
Speaker 2: straight towards us with the bullseye painted right on us.
Speaker 2: And their solution is, well, you know what, if we
Speaker 2: close our eyes really tight and don't say anything about
Speaker 2: climate change, we don't have a problem.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like I heard someone mention today. It's a person
Speaker 2: I actually frequent a chat room with, and he's like,
Speaker 2: you know, when we're coming down to saying there's not
Speaker 2: a problem, he says, if you have a guy jumping
Speaker 2: out of an eight story building for seven floors, are
Speaker 2: going to no no problem here, everything's fine, everything's good.
Speaker 2: But eventually you hit the ground. And that's what we're facing.
Speaker 2: We're we're heading full speed into the ground, and they're
Speaker 2: one to say okay, well, floor six, seven, seven, eight, seven,
Speaker 2: sixty five four three two said no problem, So we're good.
Speaker 2: And it's having to force people to address that because
Speaker 2: until this group that's promoting this Project twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: slash and dash mentality. While I agree with AJ that
Speaker 2: there are things that we can do and should do
Speaker 2: just because we should be responsible adults and being responsible
Speaker 2: me not just shitting around the whole world around you,
Speaker 2: but beyond those, this is a situation that's going to
Speaker 2: require people who do not have our best interest at
Speaker 2: heart of being taken out of their position because the
Speaker 2: bottom line is as long as the people who want
Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five in office, and they're the ones
Speaker 2: who are doing these and cabinet positions and all these
Speaker 2: positions that are doing harmed us where along for the ride.
Speaker 2: So all we can do is oh, floor seven, floor six,
Speaker 2: floor five, floor four, because they're not going to tell
Speaker 2: us anymore what's coming. But it's obviously anyone paying attention, guys.
Speaker 1: We are in an air where officials who are tauted
Speaker 1: as experts are looking at issues like climate change as
Speaker 1: no big and unfortunately the ones who are affected the
Speaker 1: most by it, see the problem, but we're choked because
Speaker 1: the people who really need to recognize it and do
Speaker 1: something about it RNL