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<v Speaker 1>Scientists sound the alarm over a troubling phenomenon for forcing

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<v Speaker 1>them to actually rethink everything. Fordigability has become more of

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<v Speaker 1>a challenge. I think that our Infidel sixty four has

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<v Speaker 1>a story Infidel.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks at the end. As extreme weather events become increasingly unpredictable,

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<v Speaker 2>researchers struggle to adjust their climate models that keep up

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<v Speaker 2>with the rising impact of climate change. From shifting ocean

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<v Speaker 2>currents to unprecedented flooding. The increased volatility of weather is

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<v Speaker 2>making it difficult to prepare for natural disasters that are

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<v Speaker 2>hitting vulnerable communities around the world. In this chaotic climate environment,

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<v Speaker 2>to focus on research and preparedness have never been more critical. However,

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<v Speaker 2>the very systems meant to protect us are under threat

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<v Speaker 2>budget cuts and political pressure to reduce climate research finding

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<v Speaker 2>or weakening the infrastructures needed to monitor and address these

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<v Speaker 2>growing risks. For decades, powerful corporations of ignored climate change change.

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<v Speaker 2>They've all so spread information, undermined scientific consensus, all in

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<v Speaker 2>the name of profit. We now find ourselves in a

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<v Speaker 2>precarious situation, favous facing climate uncertainty with weakened scientific instruct

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<v Speaker 2>institutions that should be guiding US storage solutions. The pursuit

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<v Speaker 2>of corporate profits have led us to this point where

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<v Speaker 2>the future of both the planet and its people hang

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<v Speaker 2>in the balance. Are As Malcolm X once said at

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<v Speaker 2>the assassination of JFK, the chickens are coming home to roost. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>these stories, I don't remember where they came from, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that Cynthia will be more than happy to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me where they did.

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<v Speaker 1>Cynthia, if I knew, Yeah, get cooled down by Chelsea,

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<v Speaker 1>Down Chelsea, thank you, Ajayes, thank you Ja down from

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<v Speaker 1>by col Chelsea Cooks Long February fourteenth, Valentine's Day, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five. So you know, God, since you want ahead

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<v Speaker 1>to introduce the story to us, I'm going to have

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<v Speaker 1>the first time. I'm going to have the first question

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<v Speaker 1>come to you. So, if client models are becoming less reliable,

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<v Speaker 1>what should policymakers prioritize to prepare for unpredictable extremes and weather.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the first mistake is to say that

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<v Speaker 2>the people in charge now would want to prepare for anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that pretty much what we're seeing is a

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<v Speaker 2>reactionary let somebody else worry about it. We're not now.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, now is a time where we should be

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<v Speaker 2>increasing funding and focusing on understanding these extreme weather events,

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<v Speaker 2>because they're going to become more significant, not less. And

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<v Speaker 2>we see that, and we've continued to see that, but

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to see this reduction. As I like to

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<v Speaker 2>look at it, I think of it as an imperfect

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<v Speaker 2>storm of corporate interest and policy. You know, right now

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing a lot of implementation of Project twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's that storm inside of another storm where there

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<v Speaker 2>once again, as I mentioned earlier, they're essentially putting corporate

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<v Speaker 2>profits over actual research and a climate change because they're

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<v Speaker 2>driven and motivated by people who quite literally have the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite desire. That's what their goal is.

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<v Speaker 1>We're to your mother, Glen, I completely completely are down

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<v Speaker 1>with what you're putting down. Okay, you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of funny, like when you think about the recent

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<v Speaker 1>terminations of federal employees and are civil servants, and they

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<v Speaker 1>serve in these different agencies that actually, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>do the work on predictability when it comes to climate,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes no sense to get rid of them, because

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<v Speaker 1>then if you're going to get rid of the people

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<v Speaker 1>who are actually qualified to do the work. How in

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<v Speaker 1>the hell will we have the data going to the future,

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<v Speaker 1>and how for us to pull these particular issues with

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<v Speaker 1>I digress. That's like what my dad used to say.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys know what my dad used to say.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He used to say, Cindy. That's my pet name, by

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<v Speaker 1>the bat. If you didn't know Cindy, that's too much

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<v Speaker 1>like right, So Aaron, I want to ask you how

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<v Speaker 1>how could researchers balance the urgency of solutions like geo

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<v Speaker 1>engineering with the risk of unintended consquences?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you mean what kind of unintended consequences?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, we had Glenn introduced the story where

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about how like some of the models

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, previous climate experts had are not as

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<v Speaker 1>reliable as they used to be, right, And so now

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<v Speaker 1>it's to the point where I don't necessarily think that

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<v Speaker 1>it's this hatchet, but you have, you know, some of

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<v Speaker 1>our experts still kind of just like, you know, throwing

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<v Speaker 1>what type of strategy in order for them to battle

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<v Speaker 1>such things. But if it's not based on a model

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<v Speaker 1>where it has a more predictable, you know, sense where

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<v Speaker 1>we can you know, be comfortable. You know, there may

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<v Speaker 1>be some unintended consequences that come with some of the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, policies that we come up with just based

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<v Speaker 1>on observation alone. So how do we quell that? How

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<v Speaker 1>do we you know, look at like, hey, we really

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<v Speaker 1>really need to do something and balance it with but

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<v Speaker 1>there could be a consequence for what we do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm story, I still, I'm still, I'm not quite sure

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<v Speaker 3>I understand your question.

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<v Speaker 1>I eloquently laid out to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was PBS like light. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying the way Glenn, I'm going to come.

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<v Speaker 2>To you connecting these dots. I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay, Glenn, based on what I asked, Aaron, if

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<v Speaker 1>you if you want to go ahead and and pontificate,

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<v Speaker 1>that's great, And then Aaron, I want you to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to his answer, and I want you to counter thank

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<v Speaker 1>you Ken Burn's Momentaron.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, it was really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, God, damn, I felt Morgan Freeman talking and everything. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure I heard PBS music playing in the

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<v Speaker 2>background at least. But seriously, though, I think that what

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<v Speaker 2>Cynthia's talking about, and I may be wrong, is the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that because funding is going to be so inadequate

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<v Speaker 2>and our current models are so incomplete, that it almost

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<v Speaker 2>puts us in a paralysis mode because if we start

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<v Speaker 2>acting upon incomplete data, there could be unexpected consequences that

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<v Speaker 2>result from that because our models are broken, and our

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<v Speaker 2>models are broken because a we're accelerating at such a

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<v Speaker 2>rate and we've continued to underfund this aspect of climate research.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything I think, I know, I am so confused because

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<v Speaker 3>there's fucking nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>We can do, you know, and confused about your question.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I'm not a meteorologist.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't play one on TV. I don't play on

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<v Speaker 2>the movie That'll know any like.

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<v Speaker 3>There's really there's the I mean, the only thing we

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<v Speaker 3>can do is elect government officials that understand that scientists

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<v Speaker 3>are bipartisan, that by their very nature, they just go

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<v Speaker 3>where the data goes. They study what weather is doing,

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<v Speaker 3>They come up with models, and I have to say

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<v Speaker 3>that the weather models that we they've come up to

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<v Speaker 3>the past I don't know forty years of my life,

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<v Speaker 3>have been extraordinary what they can predict and how far

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<v Speaker 3>ahead they can predict it nowadays is pretty amazing, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And if we're gonna if if we're going to cut

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<v Speaker 3>funding on people coming up with new models to match

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<v Speaker 3>what's happening to our climate, yeah, we're fucked. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 3>we can do. I can't hire meteorologists, right. All we

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<v Speaker 3>can do is elect people that believe in climate change,

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<v Speaker 3>that believe that science is are is nonpartisan issues that

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<v Speaker 3>what the data says is what the data says. Elect

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<v Speaker 3>people that don't change weather maps to include affected areas

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<v Speaker 3>that were actually affected. I mean, as far as I'm concerned,

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<v Speaker 3>taking care of the planet is good for everybody, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Who doesn't want clean air, who doesn't want clean water,

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<v Speaker 3>who doesn't want to know where a hurricane's going to

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<v Speaker 3>end so they can get the heck out of dodge,

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<v Speaker 3>who doesn't want to be protected, who doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that our natural resources are sustainable and that

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<v Speaker 3>they're always available and always useful for us. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>partisan portion of climate change just is flabbergasts me.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that answer your.

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<v Speaker 3>Question, Cynthia?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? And I'm going to agree with one thing you

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<v Speaker 2>said er to say, all right, is the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you're right, there's nothing we can do, right, now, because

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom line is the group of people that are

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<v Speaker 2>in power right now are going to make this situation

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<v Speaker 2>worse because, ay, you ask who doesn't care? There are

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<v Speaker 2>people in this country who value profit over the long

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<v Speaker 2>term well being of the planet, for themselves, for their children,

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<v Speaker 2>for their grandchildren, and they're showing that, they're demonstrating that.

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<v Speaker 2>So what can we do right now? We're behind the

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<v Speaker 2>eight ball. We're already behind don't climate change, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get further behind. That's what's going to happen now.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the ramifications of this? Well, of course, vulnerable

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<v Speaker 2>communities are going to be at risk. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing Project twenty twenty five and I hate to bring

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<v Speaker 2>it up again, but it really pervades everything that's going

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<v Speaker 2>on now, and we're seeing them work to cut these

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<v Speaker 2>very programs. So until we get the people who have

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<v Speaker 2>Project twenty twenty five in their brains out of our government,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to impact it at all.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Aaron, I'm very disappointed because I feel that

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<v Speaker 1>you have not gotten your fill on nature documentaries on

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<v Speaker 1>PBS and that really shames me. So when you leave

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<v Speaker 1>this recording, I need you to catch up and start

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<v Speaker 1>with the March of the Penguins narrated by Morgan Freeman.

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<v Speaker 3>I will watch anything narrated by Morgan Freeman.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know he has that voice, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the penguins are walking down or whatever the hell he says.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a while since I watched that. Ay J,

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<v Speaker 1>let me bring you into the conversation. I'm just listen.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just over here.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no, no, we don't. We don't want

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<v Speaker 1>you just to be you know, you know somebody that's

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<v Speaker 1>actually just like looking. I want you to participate too.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that we Glenn and Aaron kind of

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<v Speaker 1>touched on us a little bit. But like, if you

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<v Speaker 1>you know, want to add a bit more to the discourse,

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<v Speaker 1>I really would appreciate it. What role should governments play

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<v Speaker 1>in funding climate research? I mean, like one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that we saw immediately on day one is that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Trump administration recoiled from the crime the

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<v Speaker 1>Paris Climate Climate Accords after Biden put us back in

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<v Speaker 1>the Paris Climate the courts and we are pushing and

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<v Speaker 1>we have taken down actual data that has been collected

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<v Speaker 1>by you know, geologists and other climate experts that really

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<v Speaker 1>talked about you know, weather patterns, you know changes and

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<v Speaker 1>like you know how it's affecting us as an elect

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<v Speaker 1>from you know, the White House website. So with that

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<v Speaker 1>being said, what should our government play? What role should

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<v Speaker 1>the government play and actually funding this research, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>proposing cuts which we see so much right now while

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<v Speaker 1>others are increasing investments.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they should play a key mode in funding

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<v Speaker 4>this type of research. It's like a basic thing that

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<v Speaker 4>they can do for the American people. Okay, in the

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<v Speaker 4>American as we said earlier, we need protections to be

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<v Speaker 4>able to know if a hurricane is coming, if any

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<v Speaker 4>type of natural disaster is coming. You want to have

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<v Speaker 4>the federal government on your side funding research that is bipartisan,

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<v Speaker 4>that is not just you know, one side or the other.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what scientists do. They getting to the new

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<v Speaker 4>control of it, and they find they follow the data,

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<v Speaker 4>they follow the facts. They're not like, oh, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So, but the problem that we're seeing now, as Infidel stated,

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<v Speaker 4>as far as as climate okay, and the weather services

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<v Speaker 4>it calls for, like the Project twenty twenty five ideas

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<v Speaker 4>about global warming and climate change and weather patterns, calls

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<v Speaker 4>that they no longer make points about climate change being

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<v Speaker 4>you know, a factoring in like increasing streng a number

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<v Speaker 4>of hurricanes and such things. And of course the plan

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<v Speaker 4>thread of global warming and climate change, that's when people

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<v Speaker 4>you know, meteorologists or be able to do anything about

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<v Speaker 4>the science behind it, but we can do things.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>People need to realize that unless they give a fuck

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<v Speaker 4>that people believe that their individual impact is never going

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<v Speaker 4>like I don't know, like there is strength in numbers.

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<v Speaker 4>If you look at the protests that have been going

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<v Speaker 1>Then you're gonna have a pot of people.

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<v Speaker 4>You're gonna have a chain of people. So what people

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<v Speaker 4>And I understand that some people are more privileged than others,

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<v Speaker 4>and that you know that not everybody can afford to

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<v Speaker 4>thing all right, like choo screen energy like if you can,

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<v Speaker 4>ticket one. But no car pulling, switch your light, bulls, recycle,

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<v Speaker 4>right and prevent a lot of waste of plastic bags,

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<v Speaker 4>use taper straws, whatever. Incorporate more plant based foods into

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like crazy to me. And I hear

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<v Speaker 1>what you're saying, Like you know, as an electorate, we

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<v Speaker 1>order for us to be able to reduce our carbon

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<v Speaker 1>footprint because we care about our environment. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if we were to want to keep it like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all the way one hundred. We know that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of the issues that we're having concerning climate change,

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<v Speaker 1>waste and and even like you know, when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>even like you know, gross negligence on how we treat

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<v Speaker 1>our you know, the environment around us, it's mostly a

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<v Speaker 1>corporate issue. And unfortunately, as much as like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to eat as many avocados as possible in

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<v Speaker 1>my diet, you know, because you know that to nature's

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<v Speaker 1>butter versus butter, I understand. I still understand that if

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<v Speaker 1>less we actually have like you know, more corporations buying

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<v Speaker 1>then we're going to have and we're going to really

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<v Speaker 1>are they really you know, buying into making changes the

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<v Speaker 1>And I find it.

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<v Speaker 5>Extremely problematic that the very agency that has dedicated its

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<v Speaker 1>Is being told not to report on Earth climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's insane to me. But you know, unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>we're in brazarro Earth, guys. And and and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>anybody right the quickly line with an eight that's on

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<v Speaker 1>the side. What the hell? Oh my god, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, guys, I suppose like this last question

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of just like chime in if you don't mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that Aja you touched on this. So

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<v Speaker 1>How can individuals and communities adapt to extreme weather patterns

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<v Speaker 1>without solely relying on uncertain scientific predictions. Aaron, I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to start, and then Glenn I want you to

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<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh, that's tough. I would say, just to listen

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<v Speaker 3>to the scientists. Listen to the experts, find people that understand,

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<v Speaker 3>because I don't, I don't know, I can little don't

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<v Speaker 3>know enough to answer that question. So I would seek

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<v Speaker 3>out scientists and people that do understand on what we

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<v Speaker 3>these events, because from what I understand, they're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to go away. They're going to keep happening. They're going

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<v Speaker 3>to increase in frequency, They're going to increase in severity.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Climate change is a problem, and as long as we

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<v Speaker 3>don't recognize it as a problem and try to solve it, it's

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to say that the solution's really easy depending

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<v Speaker 2>on which side you're on, because one side, their solution

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<v Speaker 2>is profit over people, because that's what we're seeing demonstrated.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's going to happen to those people, Well, some

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<v Speaker 2>of them are going to die, some are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be financially disadvantaged, many of them are going to end

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<v Speaker 2>up relocating because there are things that are going to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to happen. Is and the more we ignore this problem,

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<v Speaker 2>the faster we have this runaway ball just going down

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<v Speaker 2>straight towards us with the bullseye painted right on us.

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<v Speaker 2>And their solution is, well, you know what, if we

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<v Speaker 2>close our eyes really tight and don't say anything about

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<v Speaker 2>climate change, we don't have a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I heard someone mention today. It's a person

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<v Speaker 2>I actually frequent a chat room with, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when we're coming down to saying there's not

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<v Speaker 2>a problem, he says, if you have a guy jumping

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<v Speaker 2>out of an eight story building for seven floors, are

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<v Speaker 2>going to no no problem here, everything's fine, everything's good.

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<v Speaker 2>But eventually you hit the ground. And that's what we're facing.

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<v Speaker 2>We're we're heading full speed into the ground, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>one to say okay, well, floor six, seven, seven, eight, seven,

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five four three two said no problem, So we're good.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's having to force people to address that because

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<v Speaker 2>until this group that's promoting this Project twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>slash and dash mentality. While I agree with AJ that

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<v Speaker 2>there are things that we can do and should do

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<v Speaker 2>just because we should be responsible adults and being responsible

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<v Speaker 2>me not just shitting around the whole world around you,

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<v Speaker 2>but beyond those, this is a situation that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>bottom line is as long as the people who want

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<v Speaker 2>Project twenty twenty five in office, and they're the ones

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<v Speaker 2>who are doing these and cabinet positions and all these

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<v Speaker 2>So all we can do is oh, floor seven, floor six,

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<v Speaker 2>floor five, floor four, because they're not going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>us anymore what's coming. But it's obviously anyone paying attention, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>We are in an air where officials who are tauted

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<v Speaker 1>as experts are looking at issues like climate change as

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<v Speaker 1>no big and unfortunately the ones who are affected the

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<v Speaker 1>most by it, see the problem, but we're choked because

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<v Speaker 1>the people who really need to recognize it and do

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