Speaker 1: After the big bang took place. At twelve twenty three,
Speaker 1: we see video footage of a guy, allegedly a guy,
Speaker 1: it could be anyone, a very small character scampering across
Speaker 1: the rooftop, scaling down the side of the building like
Speaker 1: Spider Man, dropping fifteen feet, landing in a puddle, popping
Speaker 1: up and running away. That was a twelve twenty three
Speaker 1: to twelve twenty four ish. Twenty three minutes later we
Speaker 1: find Tyler Robinson's car at a shopping center. Actually it
Speaker 1: was like twenty one or twenty two minutes later. He
Speaker 1: when he showed up, he parked for a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes in the parking lot. We had no idea what
Speaker 1: he was doing. I think we now know what he
Speaker 1: was doing. He pops up in a shopping center and
Speaker 1: he appears lost. He was generating a Google Map direction
Speaker 1: turn by turn directions via Google Maps the shopping center
Speaker 1: to a quick quack car wash. When you pull off
Speaker 1: the highest profile political assassination in American sixty two years,
Speaker 1: what's the first thing you wanted?
Speaker 2: Well, obviously, Baron, the first thing you're going to want
Speaker 2: to do is get your car washed, because you got
Speaker 2: to go pick up a hot date right after you
Speaker 2: commit an assessination. Now, as I told you guys repeatedly,
Speaker 2: and I am a man of my word, I have
Speaker 2: not dedicated the entirety of my show to hunting down
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's murderer. However, I have also promised you that
Speaker 2: when there are meaningful findings, I will do update episodes.
Speaker 2: This is one of those. Baron Coleman has absolutely earth
Speaker 2: shattering evidence that I think has the potential to exonerate
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson, no exaggeration. And before people jump down my
Speaker 2: throat with the oh, if you really cared about Charlie,
Speaker 2: wouldn't you be trying to make sure that the guy
Speaker 2: that they have because he gets convicted. No, this is America.
Speaker 2: We don't actually convict people just because we want to
Speaker 2: feel as if justice was served. We convict people because
Speaker 2: they're guilty. And also, before you jump down my throat,
Speaker 2: I should also add I believe pretty strongly at this
Speaker 2: point that Tyler Robinson was in fact involved, but I
Speaker 2: do not believe he worked alone. Now that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that I'm convinced that he actually fired the fatal shot
Speaker 2: or whatever was the fatal device that took out Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 2: but it does mean that I believe he was involved,
Speaker 2: because I think it would just be exceedingly challenging to
Speaker 2: excuse his presence if the surveillance footage in fact shows
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson, which I guess is still in doubt given
Speaker 2: that him in the dairy queen versus him on those
Speaker 2: stairs does not at all look like the same person
Speaker 2: to me at least. But assuming that Tyler Robinson is
Speaker 2: in fact on campus essentially scouting the site from the
Speaker 2: early am hours for I think over an hour, maybe
Speaker 2: even two hours in the early morning of September tenth,
Speaker 2: then I would have to assume that he was involved
Speaker 2: most likely. But the key thing about justice is not
Speaker 2: that you get a guy, it's that you get everybody
Speaker 2: who's responsible. And I think that that's the key aspect
Speaker 2: that has been sorely overlooked by law enforcement and the
Speaker 2: federal government when it comes to this case. And while
Speaker 2: I think Cannice Owen's and Baron Coleman have added just
Speaker 2: unbelievable value to this investigation, particularly Baron, who I think
Speaker 2: his work has been second to none. Honestly, he also
Speaker 2: does three hour streams oftentimes three I think usually four
Speaker 2: nights a week, and you're talking twelve hours of content
Speaker 2: for people to get through. Even if you get away
Speaker 2: from the superchat content, you're still talking about eight hours
Speaker 2: to digest per week. It's just a lot. So I
Speaker 2: don't expect everybody to do that. But when I see
Speaker 2: something in his work, or I see something in anybody's
Speaker 2: work that I think is paramount, that is extraordinarily valuable,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do an episode on it. And that's
Speaker 2: exactly what I'm doing. This is all about the timeline.
Speaker 2: The timeline is fatally flawed, and as you remember, the
Speaker 2: timeline was presented as being a very big deal to us,
Speaker 2: thirty three hours worth of big deal.
Speaker 3: In fact, in thirty three hours, we have made historic
Speaker 3: progress for Charlie.
Speaker 2: And no, I'm not going down the thirty three hour
Speaker 2: Illuminati route. I'm going down the I don't think your
Speaker 2: timeline adds up. And I think that the reason that
Speaker 2: they won with the thirty three hours is because there
Speaker 2: was Shenanigan's happening after Tyler Robinson turned himself over to police.
Speaker 2: I'll let Baron explain.
Speaker 1: The reason in the world the defense would have put
Speaker 1: the time in this document if they didn't want us
Speaker 1: to see it. This was a message to people like
Speaker 1: this show, Candice Owens and others who are looking into
Speaker 1: this matter, saying I don't think Tyler Robinson did it.
Speaker 1: That timestamp right there is a loud clarion signal to us,
Speaker 1: to you the audience. They know that they can and
Speaker 1: can't say certain things publicly. The defense can't come out
Speaker 1: and say you realize he was mirandized at six twenty
Speaker 1: five pm on the eleventh. You know what that does
Speaker 1: to the timeline, right, They can't say that. One, it
Speaker 1: would be unbecoming of them, but two, it goes right
Speaker 1: to the heart of defense lawyers shouldn't be trying the
Speaker 1: case in the public.
Speaker 2: So the those that are listening and not watching. What
Speaker 2: we're looking at is a filing. We got a bunch
Speaker 2: of a new document dump and include search warrants and
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of other things, and also some filings
Speaker 2: from the defense, and what it says is that Tyler
Speaker 2: Robinson was in fact mirandized at six twenty five PM. Now,
Speaker 2: there is some debate over whether or not that was
Speaker 2: on September eleventh, when he turned himself in or on
Speaker 2: September twelfth, a full day after he turned himself in,
Speaker 2: which makes no fucking sense at all, because if you're
Speaker 2: going to try and get a confession out of somebody,
Speaker 2: you're not going to allow them to give that confession
Speaker 2: while not having been read their miranda rights, in which
Speaker 2: case all of the testimony could be thrown out of court.
Speaker 2: So obviously the assumption has to be that he was
Speaker 2: mirandized when he turned himself in, which was on September eleventh,
Speaker 2: and that date and that timeline matters tremendously. And I'll
Speaker 2: explain this a second.
Speaker 1: I don't know why the time matters for them. Whether
Speaker 1: he said this is totally plenty. All you need to
Speaker 1: know is for the purpose we're trying to make, all
Speaker 1: he said was he wanted to talk to a lawyer first.
Speaker 1: We even have the bait stamp time right, because there's
Speaker 1: a transcript here that has the time on the video.
Speaker 1: So on the video it's the three minute and thirty
Speaker 1: six second mark. If you're just trying to identify where
Speaker 1: it is, that's plenty. You don't need anything else. They
Speaker 1: didn't choose to just include the text. They didn't choose
Speaker 1: to just tell the judge if he wanted to double
Speaker 1: check the words where to go look, they chose to
Speaker 1: put the time of day. Ladies and gentlemen. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you, the defense is watching, and I'm glad they are.
Speaker 1: This was a key inclusion in this document. This document.
Speaker 1: This inclusion in this document was a signal to shows
Speaker 1: like this, they're lying about Tyler Robinson. And I want
Speaker 1: to tell the defense, we hear you, And I want
Speaker 1: to tell the prosecution you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Speaker 1: I want to tell the FBI and the governor you
Speaker 1: should be ashamed of yourselves.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna go so far as Baron did
Speaker 2: and start to shain the prosecution or the judge or
Speaker 2: anybody else involved in this. I'm strictly interested in finding
Speaker 2: out the facts, and I think that the timeline on
Speaker 2: this is revelatory. If that if that time stamp is
Speaker 2: correct at six twenty five, it becomes almost impossible that
Speaker 2: the rest of the case that they have laid out
Speaker 2: in the public about Tyler Robinson is accurate. But first,
Speaker 2: let me explain why I'm so confident that, in fact,
Speaker 2: his arrest happened on the eleventh. On September twelfth, at
Speaker 2: one am, so basically the night of the eleventh. One
Speaker 2: am on the twelfth, an interview by FBI Special Agent
Speaker 2: Lang is conducted with the boyfriend of Tyler Robinson aka
Speaker 2: Lance Twigs, and in it they alleged that Lance showed
Speaker 2: Special Agent Lang additional text messages between Tyler Robinson and himself.
Speaker 2: The text messages were photographed by investigators as Lance showed
Speaker 2: them the text messages. The following is the text content
Speaker 2: of one of the pictures that investigators took of messages
Speaker 2: between Tyler Robinson and last Lence Twigs, in which it
Speaker 2: says Tyler says, I'm sorry, but I think this might
Speaker 2: be it. If the way is clear, I can try
Speaker 2: and come your way to say goodbye. After that, I
Speaker 2: have a spot in mind that i'll call the police
Speaker 2: to Lance responds or their cops outside, and he says,
Speaker 2: and why are you calling the police anywhere? Like if
Speaker 2: you're trying to get away with a crime, why are
Speaker 2: you calling the cops? Tyler responds, not yet, but I
Speaker 2: have no doubts they will be on me within the hour,
Speaker 2: and I will be giving my location up and going
Speaker 2: out on my own terms. I have no intention of
Speaker 2: being drugged through the courts in front of the country.
Speaker 2: Can I come see you? After that, I can call
Speaker 2: my dad and see if he's willing to help me
Speaker 2: out or not. Very mixed messages there, because it sounds
Speaker 2: as if he is basically saying he's going to do
Speaker 2: self harmed by cop as they call it, or at
Speaker 2: the end of that he says after that, I can
Speaker 2: call my dad and see if he's willing to help
Speaker 2: me out or not, which it implies that he's going
Speaker 2: to fight this. I don't know. Very mixed messages. It's
Speaker 2: interesting because at first we were told that essentially he
Speaker 2: was trying to get away with this. Now, according to
Speaker 2: these text messages between Lance and Tyler, it sounds as
Speaker 2: if he has already accepted his fate and in fact he's
Speaker 2: going to take things into his own hands. To put
Speaker 2: it nicely, Now, that has not been the narrative that
Speaker 2: we've been told for the longest time. Right, as you remember,
Speaker 2: he was trying to get away with this, and then
Speaker 2: he confessed, but then he didn't confess, and then he
Speaker 2: asked for an attorney after laying out all of everything
Speaker 2: he did in excruciating detail and sending it to not
Speaker 2: only his boyfriend, but also a telegram or excuse me,
Speaker 2: a discord chat with a bunch of his gamer buddies
Speaker 2: or whatever. But what's interesting about this is apparently what
Speaker 2: we're going off of at this junction is that we're
Speaker 2: going to have the photograph of these text messages be
Speaker 2: the primary methodology for conveying this evidence in court. So
Speaker 2: we're not going to actually go through the process of
Speaker 2: getting the actual I don't know what the technical term is,
Speaker 2: but the actual data from the cell phone providers that
Speaker 2: would show these are the messages, this is when they
Speaker 2: were sent. No, no, no, we have a FBI agent
Speaker 2: which took a photo of a phone that demonstrated text
Speaker 2: messages that showed essentially a confession. That's going to be
Speaker 2: adequate apparently to convict this guy. But as I said,
Speaker 2: the reason that I'm so convinced that he in fact
Speaker 2: turned himself in on the eleventh is because how else
Speaker 2: is he interviewing his boyfriend at one am on September
Speaker 2: twelfth if he hasn't already turned himself in on the eleventh. Obviously,
Speaker 2: he turned himself in on the eleventh, and I think
Speaker 2: that that six twenty five time matters a lot, and
Speaker 2: I'll explain in just a second why. But first it's
Speaker 2: important to understand also that the inmate booking sheet at
Speaker 2: the Utah County Sheriff's Office says that the arrest date
Speaker 2: was September eleventh at ten pm, so he would have
Speaker 2: been mirandized at six twenty five. He would have been arrested,
Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know if that means charged, butted
Speaker 2: at September eleventh at ten pm. And then the date
Speaker 2: in of the booking was September twelfth at one fifty
Speaker 2: eight am. And it's over a three hour drive to
Speaker 2: get from where he was arrested where he turned himself in,
Speaker 2: I should say, and then where he was actually taken
Speaker 2: in and booked, and that would have been, according to this,
Speaker 2: nearly a four hour drive away. Now, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: this is why it matters so damn much. You remember
Speaker 2: those famous discord messages from allegedly Tyler Robinson where he
Speaker 2: is confessing to his gamer buddies that he was the
Speaker 2: one responsible for taking out Charlie Kirk. Well, i'll read
Speaker 2: them to you again. This is from zealous Monkey. Someone
Speaker 2: else in the chat is saying Charlie Kirk got shot dead.
Speaker 2: I just saw the video. Holy shit, rip, I guess
Speaker 2: brought didn't deserve to go out like that. Sad. That's
Speaker 2: September tenth, at four forty pm. The chat remains dead
Speaker 2: silent for a full day. Then the next day, September eleventh,
Speaker 2: So the day that we believe that Tyler Robinson turned
Speaker 2: himself in the hour that he was mirandized would have
Speaker 2: been six twenty five PM. And he says, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: I have bad news for you all. It was me
Speaker 2: at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for all of this. I'm
Speaker 2: surrounding through a shaff friend in a few moments. Thanks
Speaker 2: for all the good times and laughs. You've all been
Speaker 2: so amazing. Thank you all for everything. All Right, So
Speaker 2: why does it matter? Clint? I'm glad you asked, because
Speaker 2: now keep in mind Ken Klippenstein is in a different
Speaker 2: time zone. So we believe that this screenshot happened at
Speaker 2: eight fifty seven PM his time zone, which would have
Speaker 2: been seven to fifty seven PM Tyler's time zone in Utah.
Speaker 2: So why does that matter? Well, if he was mirandized
Speaker 2: at six twenty five, we are to believe that about
Speaker 2: ninety minutes later, at seven fifty seven pm Utah time,
Speaker 2: he is somehow sending a discord message where he confesses
Speaker 2: to the crime, will simultaneously not being willing to confess
Speaker 2: to the crime to police, which he is in the
Speaker 2: custody of How the fuck send that message? Now, as
Speaker 2: you guys know, I'm not law enforcement, I'm not an attorney.
Speaker 2: I'm just a guy with critical thinking skills, just like
Speaker 2: most of you at home, right, And so I started
Speaker 2: to do the research. I was like, wait, all right,
Speaker 2: so if you get if you get read your miranda rights,
Speaker 2: which is essentially you know your constitutional rights fifth and
Speaker 2: sixth Amendment, I believe, and you're you are Why are
Speaker 2: you being read those rights? And what does that mean? Well?
Speaker 2: I did the research, and it means that you are
Speaker 2: being you are essentially under arrest, You're being detained. You're
Speaker 2: not free to leave yet, you haven't been charged with
Speaker 2: a crime officially, but you are definitely in custody at
Speaker 2: that point. And if you are in custody in a
Speaker 2: high profile assassination case, do you think that they allowed
Speaker 2: him to take his or keep his cell phone? I
Speaker 2: would say almost certainly not. He would not have his
Speaker 2: cell phone, And that's what my research confirmed too. It
Speaker 2: would be highly unlikely that they would read him his
Speaker 2: miranda rights, have him in custody on an assassination chargeally,
Speaker 2: and allow him to keep his cell phone. A full
Speaker 2: hour and a half after you've read him his rights,
Speaker 2: he is still sitting on that phone and enabled or
Speaker 2: allowed to send a confession to his buddies on his
Speaker 2: discord server. How, how does he have that phone? How
Speaker 2: is that message sent? And if he doesn't have his phone,
Speaker 2: and if he didn't send that message, who the fuck did? Now,
Speaker 2: as you guys know, I am not in this for clickbait.
Speaker 2: I am in this for the truth and for justice,
Speaker 2: And so I immediately started to steal man this. I
Speaker 2: started to think to myself, Okay, what is a benign
Speaker 2: explanation that could actually make this all go away? Well, obviously,
Speaker 2: first and foremost, it would be that the six twenty
Speaker 2: five time that's put in there, even though it's like
Speaker 2: put in with excruciating detail, and it's listed like six
Speaker 2: twenty five, six twenty six, Like, I find it very
Speaker 2: hard to believe that that was put in there improperly.
Speaker 2: It seems legit to me. But assuming for a second,
Speaker 2: that they got that wrong, that in fact it's eight
Speaker 2: twenty five. Okay, maybe I really really doubt it, but maybe.
Speaker 2: So that's one possibility. The second possibility, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: is that I don't use Discord. So I was just guessing.
Speaker 2: I was trying to steal man the oppositional side of
Speaker 2: this argument. So I was just thinking outside the box,
Speaker 2: and I thought, Okay, well, maybe there's a feature on
Speaker 2: discord where you can send a like a delayed message,
Speaker 2: a scheduled message. Based off my research, that's not actually
Speaker 2: a native feature within discord. So Tyler if it's if
Speaker 2: it's in fact Tyler's handle, and it's in fact sent
Speaker 2: from Tyler's phone, I do not know how Tyler sent that.
Speaker 2: I just flat don't know how he did it. But
Speaker 2: maybe you're thinking to yourself, Okay, Clint, but what about
Speaker 2: his other confessions. Well, his other confessions were alleged confessions
Speaker 2: where he hinted at the fact that he was caught
Speaker 2: up in it, and that he he alluded to the
Speaker 2: fact that he may have been the shooter to his parents,
Speaker 2: which we don't have any confirmation because Tyler, as soon
Speaker 2: as he turned himself in then at for an attorney,
Speaker 2: and is yet to plead guilty or not guilty or
Speaker 2: confess or anything at this point. So it's we're just
Speaker 2: taking it on face value that he in fact confessed
Speaker 2: to his parents, which we don't know that to be
Speaker 2: true at all. Okay, so we're going to set that
Speaker 2: one aside because it's not confirmed yet. So what's the
Speaker 2: other confession that we have. Well, the other confession is,
Speaker 2: as you remember, the note that was put under his
Speaker 2: keyboard for his computer, and he then told Lance to
Speaker 2: look under the keyboard and Lance found it, and then
Speaker 2: Lance conveyed to the FBI agent that what it had said,
Speaker 2: which is that he had an opportunity to take Charlie
Speaker 2: Kirk out and he was going to take it. But
Speaker 2: that note was burnt. And all we have for the
Speaker 2: proof of it aside from that is a photograph from
Speaker 2: that FBI agent of the text messages, and also an
Speaker 2: allegation that in fact that burnt note said what they
Speaker 2: said it said.
Speaker 1: Britten note was did he write a written note before
Speaker 1: before the assassination attempt?
Speaker 2: That's what the governor said yes to? And what did
Speaker 2: that say?
Speaker 3: If you can do what I'm able to say I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: So what I was what I'm able to say is
Speaker 3: I addressed it partially earlier. Is that the written note,
Speaker 3: we believe what did exist, and we have evidence to
Speaker 3: show what was in that note, which is, and I'm
Speaker 3: going to summarize basically saying, the suspect wrote a note
Speaker 3: saying I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk
Speaker 3: and I'm going to take it. That note was written
Speaker 3: before the shooting. Evidence of its existence we now have
Speaker 3: learned existed before the shooting was in the location in
Speaker 3: the suspect and partner's home. But we have since learned
Speaker 3: that the note, even though it has been destroyed, we
Speaker 3: have found forensic evidence of the note, and we have
Speaker 3: confirmed what that note says because of our aggressive interview
Speaker 3: posture at the FBI.
Speaker 2: So, if I haven't emphasized this enough for you yet,
Speaker 2: this is a really, really big deal because if Tyler
Speaker 2: Robinson did not send that message to that discord chat,
Speaker 2: that means that someone else was involved in trying to
Speaker 2: basically bury him. It also means that the thirty three
Speaker 2: hour timeline from Cashptel and others about how so miraculous
Speaker 2: they got him in thirty three hours. In fact, they
Speaker 2: got him in about thirty hours, So why did they
Speaker 2: extend that window by three hours? And why in that
Speaker 2: window does he then send a message which confesses to
Speaker 2: the crime electronically trackable right, And yet for some reason
Speaker 2: the federal authorities wanted us to think that it was
Speaker 2: thirty three hours and not thirty But in that three
Speaker 2: hour gap he confesses, But he didn't because he couldn't
Speaker 2: have had his cell phone and sent that message on discord.
Speaker 2: There's something really amiss with all of that.
Speaker 1: One of two things is true. Either Tyler Robinson's a
Speaker 1: lone wolf with a dirty car and he can find
Speaker 1: no better time to go get a call wash. Then,
Speaker 1: immediately after the highest profile political assassination in America in years,
Speaker 1: I guess that's optionday. Option B is he might want
Speaker 1: to hang out at the quick Quack, because I'll show
Speaker 1: you what the quick Quack looks like on a map.
Speaker 1: Cars lining up to go into the quick Quack, and
Speaker 1: then they come around after getting washed off, and they
Speaker 1: park under these things here in order to vacuum themselves out.
Speaker 1: While you're in here, you are impervious to being seen,
Speaker 1: and while you are under here, you are hidden from
Speaker 1: satellite photography.
Speaker 2: Now, as I said before, I always try and steal
Speaker 2: men the opposition to any of these hypotheses that get
Speaker 2: thrown out, So I'm gonna do that again on this. Okay,
Speaker 2: Maybe he wanted to go to the car wash because
Speaker 2: there was he thought that the dirt from his shoes
Speaker 2: had gotten into the car and he wanted to vacuum
Speaker 2: it out to cover his tracks. Still extraordinarily stupid, though,
Speaker 2: if you're going to be that meticulous that you're going
Speaker 2: to try and cover your tracks. But simon Tiency, you're
Speaker 2: going to use your fucking cell phone to Google maps
Speaker 2: your way to the car wash to do that. Really Okay,
Speaker 2: But now that I've steal manned it, let's just uh,
Speaker 2: let's just be adults about this. If you are going
Speaker 2: to go to that car wash and it's not for
Speaker 2: the purposes of getting your car cleaned, why else would
Speaker 2: you go there. Well, as Baron pointed out, there's these
Speaker 2: very large awnings which would make it so that satellite
Speaker 2: footage will not be able to see you there. So
Speaker 2: if Tyler Robinson pulled into that facility and he parked
Speaker 2: his car and he was going to have a conversation
Speaker 2: with somebody or exchange items with somebody. That would be
Speaker 2: a pretty good spot to do it. Have we seen
Speaker 2: surveillance footage from the quick Quack. No, we have not
Speaker 2: seen surveillance footage as of yet from the quick Quack.
Speaker 2: So if that surveillance footage exists, it is very important
Speaker 2: that they release it, and I hope that it'll at
Speaker 2: least come out during trial, because if it doesn't, I'm
Speaker 2: going to have serious questions about what the fuck he
Speaker 2: was doing at a car wash forty minutes after emitting
Speaker 2: the most higher profile assassination since JFK. But it doesn't
Speaker 2: stop there. The timeline gets crazier.
Speaker 1: He has committed the crime of the century. He's driven
Speaker 1: to a DVD store, he parked for a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes in front of cameras to make sure everybody could
Speaker 1: see him. He punches in a Google Map pin just
Speaker 1: in case you didn't know he was there, starting there
Speaker 1: to the quick Quack to get a car washed. Presumably.
Speaker 1: I don't know why else you would go to the
Speaker 1: quick Quack there or to meet up with someone, And
Speaker 1: he's supposedly a lone wolf, so we have to believe
Speaker 1: he just wanted to wash the car. That's what we
Speaker 1: want to believe. He just wanted to wash his car.
Speaker 1: He's a very clean man, very tidy. He leaves the
Speaker 1: quick Quack and we don't know where he goes. We
Speaker 1: lose him for a few hours. The next place we
Speaker 1: think we see Tyler Robinson is that the Dairy Queen.
Speaker 1: Six thirty ish. He's eating. He's got a box of
Speaker 1: chicken Tendi's, you can see the box in his hand,
Speaker 1: and he's got a blizzard in his hand. Very hungry assassin.
Speaker 1: Because he leaves the Dairy Queen and in record time
Speaker 1: makes it down to Panguage, record time, under two hours.
Speaker 1: It makes it to Panguage, and he loads up on
Speaker 1: red meat, literal red meat, not like political red meat.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about red meat surloin medium, rare. At least
Speaker 1: he knows how to eat his steak. He gets a
Speaker 1: surloin down, and then the police want us to believe
Speaker 1: even though he's just an hour from home, he turns
Speaker 1: around and goes back to Orum.
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Speaker 2: he gets his car washed around one pm. Then we
Speaker 2: don't know what he does or where he goes. But
Speaker 2: then he goes to Dairy Queen allegedly around six and
Speaker 2: he grabs some tenders, some chicken tenders, and a blizz
Speaker 2: and then he drives three hours away in about two hours.
Speaker 2: So he's flying even though he's trying to trying to
Speaker 2: cover his tracks, trying to get away with a high
Speaker 2: profile political assassination. Right, huge, huge case. But he drives
Speaker 2: three hours away in two hours, and what does he
Speaker 2: do after having just eight He goes and he gets
Speaker 2: dinner again by himself. Now this is this is alleged
Speaker 2: by Cannie Owns, but she claims that she confirmed based
Speaker 2: off of the receipts at the restaurant that he had
Speaker 2: that steak dinner that by himself. According to the server,
Speaker 2: he was there by himself. So he drives three hours
Speaker 2: away in under two hours. He eats again for the
Speaker 2: second time, a huge meal. Right after eating two hours prior.
Speaker 2: That's already super weird. But then the really weird part
Speaker 2: is that he turns around and he drives another three
Speaker 2: hours north. He drives right back the direction he can,
Speaker 2: and he goes back to Uvu. Now, I think the
Speaker 2: biggest weakness in Baron Coleman, if there is any and
Speaker 2: I love the guys, so don't get me wrong, but
Speaker 2: because he is in defense attorney mode, he does not
Speaker 2: steal man the other side of the things sometimes, and
Speaker 2: I think this is a good example of that. So
Speaker 2: if I were to steal man it, what I would
Speaker 2: say to Baron is that I think that if we
Speaker 2: are to believe that Tyler Robinson is in fact guilty,
Speaker 2: maybe he was not comfortable going back to his stash
Speaker 2: spot for his rifle. And the reason he waited, the
Speaker 2: reason he drove all the way home, or he was
Speaker 2: about an hour away from home when he got that
Speaker 2: steak dinner, even though it's very fucking weird that he's
Speaker 2: eating twice in two hours, massive meals, but okay, anyways,
Speaker 2: just believe for a second that that's possible. The reason
Speaker 2: I think that he may have driven back to Ubu
Speaker 2: was to go get his rifle. Because for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: he thought that the scene would be more open, it
Speaker 2: would be less congested with police and FBI and everything else.
Speaker 2: So maybe he's taken to himself. He was just going
Speaker 2: to give up on going to get the rifle. But
Speaker 2: then at nine, after he's done with his dinner, he
Speaker 2: thinks to himself, I gotta get that rifle. If I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get away with this, I've got to get that rifle.
Speaker 2: So he drives back up there and he gets it.
Speaker 2: Now what's weird is once he gets there at around
Speaker 2: one am, he's there for forty five minutes, which makes
Speaker 2: absolutely no sense. If you're just going to grab your
Speaker 2: rifle and get the fuck out of there, you're not
Speaker 2: hanging around. You're like in and out. You're trying to
Speaker 2: be as as quick as humanly possible, and is seen
Speaker 2: as little as possible. But this is where it gets weird.
Speaker 2: He's still Google Maps and everything. He is still putting
Speaker 2: into his phone Google Maps. I'm here, I'm going here,
Speaker 2: I'm going back to Ubu, I'm going you know, the
Speaker 2: same street where I ditched the rifle. I mean, none
Speaker 2: of it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Not only is he driving a car with an infotainment
Speaker 1: system that's logging everywhere he goes. He's carrying on him
Speaker 1: a geo locating spy device that betrays everywhere you go
Speaker 1: your phone tells you, tells any one who gets your
Speaker 1: phone knows absolutely everywhere you've been. But just in case
Speaker 1: they're not sure, he wants to make sure he's putting
Speaker 1: in Google mat pins everywhere he goes. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to get to the quick quack, so I got
Speaker 1: to put in a Google matpin. I don't know how
Speaker 1: to get home. What do you mean you want to
Speaker 1: get home? Get home? It's one point thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1: It's not like traffic's a bother drive towards the interstate
Speaker 1: stop recording where you are. I am I am hard
Speaker 1: pressed to believe he's that stupid.
Speaker 2: So, as I started with, though, I think there's a
Speaker 2: distinct possibility that Tyler Robinson in fact did this. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that he's innocent, but I am saying this,
Speaker 2: if they don't have an incredibly compelling answer as to
Speaker 2: how he was able to send that discord message when
Speaker 2: he was already in custody an hour and a half
Speaker 2: into being in custody, then I have to assume that
Speaker 2: that message was not sent by Tyler Robinson. And if
Speaker 2: that message wasn't sent by Tyler Robinson, and ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: we are dealing with a patsy. We are dealing with
Speaker 2: a government cover up as they try and bury this kid,
Speaker 2: and they and someone else sent that message from his
Speaker 2: phone to that Discord server to try and basically bury
Speaker 2: him with evidence that was planted. Or if not a
Speaker 2: government cover up, maybe it was his boyfriend, maybe it
Speaker 2: was some other associate who had him involved, but he
Speaker 2: was not actually the trigger man, and they had access
Speaker 2: to one of his electronic devices and he was able
Speaker 2: to send that message, or she was able to send
Speaker 2: that message on Discord to essentially frame him for the
Speaker 2: crime that they committed. Maybe it's not a government cover up,
Speaker 2: but I don't know how the government wouldn't have figured
Speaker 2: this out by now if they weren't also involved in
Speaker 2: the cover up. So either that timestamp is wrong and
Speaker 2: Tyler was not in custody and he was able to
Speaker 2: send that message, or we're dealing with the cover up.
Speaker 2: It's really a binary at this point, and I don't
Speaker 2: like tell me in the chat below if there is
Speaker 2: a third option because I don't see it now. I
Speaker 2: think this evidence is a bit more tenuous, but I
Speaker 2: think it's interesting nonetheless, so let's dig in.
Speaker 4: I want you to pay close attention to these shadows.
Speaker 4: Do you guys remember these photos of Tyler Robinson allegedly
Speaker 4: walking around the neighborhood near Uvu the day of the assassination.
Speaker 4: Baron Coleman has once again found some peculiar inconsistencies in
Speaker 4: these photos. He says, use the shadow length calculator linked
Speaker 4: in this post, or whichever one you prefer, and check
Speaker 4: out how long the shadows of a six foot man
Speaker 4: should be in Orum at these times of the day.
Speaker 4: On September tenth, twenty twenty five, day in time, September tenth,
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, at eight oh seven a m. And
Speaker 4: here's what we get, shadow length twenty nine feet two inches.
Speaker 4: Here they are side by side, and I don't know,
Speaker 4: I don't know what I was expecting there, but it
Speaker 4: looks a little different, right This, this shadow coming off
Speaker 4: of Tyler Robinson looks maybe about ten feet twelve feet
Speaker 4: to be generous, this looks much longer twenty nine feet.
Speaker 4: They say, I think this is going to open up
Speaker 4: a lot more questions now, like where exactly was Tyler,
Speaker 4: where was that street, where was that photo taken? Or
Speaker 4: maybe better yet, when was Tyler?
Speaker 2: Now? As I said, the most compelling evidence that Tyler
Speaker 2: Robinson was involved in this attack on Charlie Kirk was
Speaker 2: the fact that we have that surveillance footage that alleges
Speaker 2: to show Tyler Robinson on the scene or walking to
Speaker 2: UVU campus that morning. So if in fact it is him,
Speaker 2: and if in fact that time stamp is right at
Speaker 2: eight a m. Well, then it looks as if he's
Speaker 2: scouting the scene, if he's trying to essentially clock it
Speaker 2: and see, all right, where am I going to go?
Speaker 2: How am I going to pull this off? Like all
Speaker 2: the things that would be necessary if he's going to
Speaker 2: actually pull this off successfully. But if it turns out
Speaker 2: that that shadow calculator is correct and that time is wrong, well,
Speaker 2: based off of the sun raising a rising, then you
Speaker 2: would imagine that the shadow would shrink as the sun
Speaker 2: comes up, your shadow would be smaller, So that could
Speaker 2: place whoever that person is assumming it's Tyler maybe ten
Speaker 2: eleven am, much later in the morning. But obviously it
Speaker 2: opens up bigger questions, as in, like, Okay, if he
Speaker 2: was there at ten or eleven am, then why are
Speaker 2: they lying to us about the time that he was
Speaker 2: allegedly there. But I'm gonna I'm gonna leave that one
Speaker 2: aside because I think it could potentially be explained by
Speaker 2: either the calculator that Baron was working off of being faulty,
Speaker 2: or perhaps that driveway is super steep so the shadow
Speaker 2: doesn't stretch as far. Maybe I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: think that the far more compelling evidence that he's presented
Speaker 2: over the past couple of weeks is the time stamp
Speaker 2: of him being mirandized. If they don't have an answer
Speaker 2: for that, this case is in jeopardy. We've got one
Speaker 2: other big update because we have so much more data
Speaker 2: or evidence that has been dumped upon us. Baron Coleman
Speaker 2: breaks this part Town two, which the text messages that
Speaker 2: we got to see.
Speaker 1: Then we go on needless to say, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: late coming home my bee. Does that sound like they
Speaker 1: grabbed some crazy old dude that interrogated someone in similar clothing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be late, my bee. I had planned to
Speaker 1: grab my rifle at my drop point shortly after but
Speaker 1: most of that side of town got locked down. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be late coming home, my bee, I'm gonna be late.
Speaker 4: B.
Speaker 1: This almost sounds like two different people. It almost sounds
Speaker 1: like some of these might have been legitimate texts, and
Speaker 1: some of these might have been inserted either after the
Speaker 1: fact or without his knowledge into the conversation.
Speaker 2: Almost almost now, I think, because I have the advantage
Speaker 2: of being a couple of years younger than Baron, maybe
Speaker 2: I'm just reading this differently. But maybe he's right and
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. We'll see. But the way I read that
Speaker 2: text was just message was my bee as in my bad,
Speaker 2: not my bs in like my g which I understood
Speaker 2: the way Baron was reading it. But I think he
Speaker 2: was just using shorthand for my bee like my bad.
Speaker 2: It is still interesting, though, even setting aside our difference
Speaker 2: in that interpretation, it is still fascinating that you have
Speaker 2: these really like elegant, almost poetic messages that he's conveying
Speaker 2: about his love lance, and then simultaneously he shifts into
Speaker 2: shorthand and he starts to sound much more like a
Speaker 2: zoomer right, And it's just like it is interesting because I,
Speaker 2: like I have different cadences when I'm talking to different people.
Speaker 2: I'm sure many of you do too, Like if I'm
Speaker 2: texting with my mom, I might have a different cadence
Speaker 2: or a different you know, speaking style well than if
Speaker 2: I'm texting with one of my buddies. You know, it's
Speaker 2: going to be much more profane. If I'm talking with
Speaker 2: my one of my buddies, much more shorthand. So that's
Speaker 2: all fine, that's fine. We do have different ways of
Speaker 2: communicating with different people. What makes this interesting is that
Speaker 2: all of these communications are between Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs.
Speaker 2: It is very notable that all of the messages that
Speaker 2: are going between Tyler and Lance that are not incriminating
Speaker 2: in nature, that do not actually convey overt guilt come
Speaker 2: across in zoom or speak. All of the messages from
Speaker 2: Tyler to Lance that come across as if like, Hey,
Speaker 2: I did this, Here's why I did it, Here's when
Speaker 2: I did it, Here's when I started planning it. All
Speaker 2: of the nitty gritty details that absolutely fucking put this
Speaker 2: kid in handcuffs for the rest of his life, if
Speaker 2: not worse, all of those come across, as Baron Coleman
Speaker 2: described it, as if he was writing like Robert Frost,
Speaker 2: as if he's some you know, English author. It just
Speaker 2: doesn't sound the same. And I think that's a very
Speaker 2: interesting note that is going to need to be unpacked
Speaker 2: in court as well.
Speaker 1: You just went from Robert Frost to Tupacs of cour
Speaker 1: like in moments well the road less traveled by, and
Speaker 1: it has made all the difference, all eyes on me.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just two different people. No one shifts
Speaker 1: that way text to text. If you look at your
Speaker 1: text messages with people, they don't change like that. You
Speaker 1: don't go from Beethoven to California Love in two messages.
Speaker 2: So I just have one other aspects to add to this,
Speaker 2: and it's that I find it fascinating that there are
Speaker 2: no communications after after the attack and after the car
Speaker 2: wash and all through that night, the hours of drive.
Speaker 2: We have no evidence of phone calls or text messages
Speaker 2: so far. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but they
Speaker 2: have given us a lot of evidence. At this point,
Speaker 2: we don't have any evidence of him communicating with Lance
Speaker 2: or his parents about anything the day of the attack,
Speaker 2: the evening, the afternoon and evening that he is essentially
Speaker 2: trying to get away with this crime. He is radio silent,
Speaker 2: but his phone is still on. He's still using Google Maps.
Speaker 2: So my thought process would be like this, if I
Speaker 2: was trying to get away with a crime, if I
Speaker 2: was going to not drag my friends and family into it,
Speaker 2: but I was really committed to trying to get away
Speaker 2: with this, right, I would definitely got my phone off.
Speaker 2: At minimum. I would probably leave my phone somewhere else, right,
Speaker 2: because you know it's a tracking device. But that's not
Speaker 2: what he does. So my thought process was, Okay, if
Speaker 2: there's no te text misses or calls, even though he's
Speaker 2: in his car for three hours and then another three
Speaker 2: hours and then another five. I mean, this kid is
Speaker 2: in his car for like basically eleven hours that day,
Speaker 2: maybe more, and he's not doing any communication with Lance
Speaker 2: or anybody else as far as we know. My thought
Speaker 2: process would be like, oh, well, it's because he's trying
Speaker 2: to cover his tracks, and he shut his phone off.
Speaker 2: Maybe he even leaves it at that stake restaurant when
Speaker 2: he goes back to UVU to go get the rifle. No, no,
Speaker 2: his phone is not only on, he is using Google Maps.
Speaker 2: So he's written a confession note that he's put under
Speaker 2: the keyboard. But he's not having a conversation with Lance
Speaker 2: in that six plus hours of driving or the massive
Speaker 2: drive later that night, not at all. But his phone's
Speaker 2: on and he's using Google Maps. There's just there's a
Speaker 2: level it creates cognitive dissonance when you're when you look
Speaker 2: at all of that, you just go like, doesn't sit right.
Speaker 2: It doesn't sit right with me. It's one or the other.
Speaker 2: If his phone's on, he's using Google Maps, I think
Speaker 2: he's probably conveying something to Lance about all this. If
Speaker 2: he's trying to get away with it, then his phone's off,
Speaker 2: he ain't using Google Maps, none of that. He's not
Speaker 2: communicating with anybody. That all makes sense. You don't get
Speaker 2: a combat, you don't get a hybrid in the middle.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense to me. And it's very important
Speaker 2: that you remember. One of those messages, those alleged messages
Speaker 2: where he's essentially confessing, is that I had wanted to
Speaker 2: take this to my grave. He was planning on telling
Speaker 2: nobody about this ever, But yet he had put a
Speaker 2: confession message under his keyboard or under Lance's keyboard. I
Speaker 2: don't know whose keyboard it was. Before he went set
Speaker 2: out to commit the crime of the century. H Okay. Now, look,
Speaker 2: as I said, I think there's still a very high
Speaker 2: probability that Tyler Robinson was involved in this. I just
Speaker 2: do not think that there's it's at all an open
Speaker 2: and shutcase that he did this and he worked alone.
Speaker 2: The fact that they are not giving us like filling
Speaker 2: in the gaps at all, and the fact that the
Speaker 2: gaps that have been left and have been created based
Speaker 2: off of the disclosures that we have gotten thanks to
Speaker 2: Baron's incredible work on this, that timeline is fucked beyond belief.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't add up. And that timeline of the
Speaker 2: confession coming on the discord messages is just I mean,
Speaker 2: there's no rational explanation I can come up for it
Speaker 2: other than that time stamp from the defense attorneys is wrong.
Speaker 2: And if it's wrong, well then I'll retract everything. But
Speaker 2: if it's right, the prosecution has a hell of a
Speaker 2: case in front of him, as in a hell of
Speaker 2: a time getting a conviction. So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2: And let me just say, despite the fact that I've
Speaker 2: been critical of some aspects of Baron's coverage, I just
Speaker 2: want to be very clear with you guys. He and
Speaker 2: I have minor differences in how we go about this.
Speaker 2: His work has been phenomenal, phenomenal, and I do not
Speaker 2: want you to watch this and not watch his work
Speaker 2: if you are interested in the full deep dives. This
Speaker 2: guy does just incredible, incredible deep diver research and he
Speaker 2: has done, in my opinion, more than anybody to help
Speaker 2: us get to the bottom of this. And I am
Speaker 2: forever in his debt. So make sure you check out
Speaker 2: Baron Coleman's channel. You can just search it. He's very
Speaker 2: successful at this point. It shows absolutely exploded popularity. So
Speaker 2: I'm sure you already know where it's at and you
Speaker 2: already subscribe, so make sure you do that. And let
Speaker 2: me also add dude's funny as hell.
Speaker 1: The guy was like half his staff is gay, is
Speaker 1: supposedly killed because he's by a gay person because of hate,
Speaker 1: I mean, and when who works at TPUSA is gay
Speaker 1: in my opinion, in my opinion, in my opinion call
Speaker 1: down TPUSA employees called down. Not my fault. Grinder crashes
Speaker 1: whenever you guys get together.
Speaker 2: So yeah, check out Baron's work. Dude's hysterical and he's
Speaker 2: genius level investigator. And before I get out of here,
Speaker 2: I want to cover one other bit of news just going.
Speaker 2: I gotta give props to making Kelly. This lady continues
Speaker 2: to impress me. She keeps going ham as hard as
Speaker 2: an mf R. For the old folks out there. She
Speaker 2: is not relenting.
Speaker 5: I don't know what he's doing, but the resident is
Speaker 5: spiraling downward in his poll numbers. He is on a
Speaker 5: downward spiral. Now we'll talk about in a minute, what's
Speaker 5: happening with the white working class that's Trump's base, and
Speaker 5: he's now underwater with them. That's it other than Fox
Speaker 5: News boomers. There's no one left. There's no one left
Speaker 5: in the original MAGA coalition white working class. I really
Speaker 5: look forward to the people who purport to speak for
Speaker 5: the white working class, people who have written whole books
Speaker 5: about the working class and what's important to them. People
Speaker 5: who have been ripping on the soul called podcast class
Speaker 5: for being critical of this war and how they're completely
Speaker 5: irrelevant and no one listens to them. I really look
Speaker 5: forward to those people updating their reporting to tell us
Speaker 5: what's actually happening among the Trump base now.
Speaker 2: And it didn't stop there. She also went a third
Speaker 2: rail with this one.
Speaker 5: It's completely inappropriate, and he knows it. I don't know
Speaker 5: why the resident's getting so desperate for attention that he
Speaker 5: feels the need to mock one point four billion Catholics.
Speaker 5: It's enough, okay, it's enough with this nonsense. I know
Speaker 5: you love getting a rise out of people. I know
Speaker 5: you're really enjoying being subversive. You upset all the right people.
Speaker 5: I get it, But you know, like why last week
Speaker 5: it was Muslims, now it's Catholics. Who's next? I bet
Speaker 5: you it's not going to be the Jews.
Speaker 1: It's not going to.
Speaker 5: Be the Israelis. I promise you that that's not coming.
Speaker 2: Now forgive the egotistical insertion here, But Megan Kelly followed
Speaker 2: me about ten days ago on X and twice now
Speaker 2: over the past week. I have heard her use talking
Speaker 2: points that I've conveyed. Now, I'm not saying she took
Speaker 2: them from me. I'm not saying that it could just be,
Speaker 2: you know, simultaneous thought and analysis. That's certainly possible, but
Speaker 2: like almost verbatim, there was a tweet that I put
Speaker 2: out that she went on Piers Morgan and it was
Speaker 2: like word for word, and then same thing with that rant.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, it's always fun when I see shit
Speaker 2: like that. Like sometimes we'll see Dave Smith during a
Speaker 2: debate bring up a point that I've made, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's what's happening with making Kelly right. I
Speaker 2: think I am actively red pulling these people. Oh, it's fun.
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