Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Then welcome back to the Gimmick
here second episode, four, October twenty twenty five. I was
always in the Canadian Nightmare, and I'm joined by the
thirty two seventeen cents, David.
Speaker 2: How's it going today?
Speaker 3: Other than my bank account looking the same as young Bucks,
everything is going good because my chief's got a dominant
win today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she just did really good.
Speaker 1: So did you see that play where they pretended like
the fake hike play where he's like, oh, this never works,
it never works, and they ran it. It was very
very well done, very clever.
Speaker 3: I was watching that with my mom and my very
religious grandmother who had not heard Patrick use that language before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, congratulations on the wain and I'm hoping hoping Packers
Paul when they're not close game right now, and right
now we're joined by chat GP Jericho as Bob's I'm
glad you did some AI because I almost did. But
I'm like, god, I'll keep it in a Canadian Nightmare.
But I was thinking of that. But yeah, you ready,
sir for your He's right around the corner. You know,
we're getting closer. November what is that November through two
more months two and a half and Jericho's gonna be back?
Is he gonna be you know, he might be on
your draft roster. I didn't even think about that. There's
a good shot he might be if you get him
and he gets you the draft points. You should have
the background behind you and everything like that. Man, that
was that was a great time. But I'm not sure
do you ever know did you find out what happened?
How everyone knew it was Jericho? Also, there's stuff in
the okay.
Speaker 4: So I've seen like because when he comes out, like
the crowd is like everyone has like Jericho's sidnes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously the video did have a lot of stuff.
If you when you slowed it down, you'd break it
down and be like it's dates and other like initials
for opponents.
Speaker 2: So you could figure out that way if you were
a nerd.
Speaker 1: But even if not, I think it was about two
weeks before because they printed them in a month in advance.
Speaker 2: WW amazing.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, they had I should bring it up,
but they had like a cover of Jericho like lighting
it up and its Tim getting a big plug to
like a socket and then that everyone knew, oh Man Jerich.
Speaker 2: Was coming back, and we kind of thought, but still
that was.
Speaker 1: Just in And I think magazine kind of spoiled a
few things, or they would spoil like match types as
far as I think when Edge and Matt Hardy had
their like loser these Raw, that was the headline who
will leave Raw? And the match hadn't even been announced yet,
and obviously Matt ended up losing to Edge because they
weren't putting him over that guy. But yeah, so it's
magazine the you know, spoiling more than Meltzer could.
Speaker 4: Sometimes they have to write it out like in advance.
But then also people would get them earlier, right, That's.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, exactly, so that's the thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, we'll well, luckily, I guess there's no magazine,
but I used I used to be a subscriber. I
used to get it monthly. Came with posters all the time,
some cool ones too. But yes, lots to talk about today.
As we mentioned the draft, I'm not sure, I suppose
do you have the points this time? Okay, so before
you go offestly, I think the next we decided. We
haven't decided the episode placements yet, but yeah, that's gonna say.
I think the next episode, so we will do the
shake up well, because I think there's a good chance
we'll be reviewing Survivor series, so we'll probably do one
before that as well. So I think the next episode, gentlemen,
get ready that we'll probably be doing some some drops,
some trades, some pickups, whatever you want to be.
Speaker 4: I'm dropping like six people.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I think that. I think this is gonna
be one of our biggest shakeups ever because I think
there's a lot of we're gonna.
Speaker 4: Have to next year change when the like shakeups.
Speaker 1: Are when you're pitched to shaking it up. Obviously this
year it's slidified.
Speaker 4: But what do you think I think for next year
because because the thing is, like there's a long stretch
like over the summer where we don't have any and
they like these because then we have like the one
before Survivor series, and then we have like one before
the Rumble, which is like only like two months apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we think.
Speaker 4: I think we can keep the Rumble one just for
for now, even if like we don't change that much stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we'll keep it for now because there'll
be more rumors yeah, that's the only one because I
guess then we.
Speaker 4: Have because what we did before us had it before
money in the bank, but next year money in the
bank is after SummerSlam.
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: Well, was like we have like the WrestleMania one, which
is like the start of the season, then the next
draft because they haven't announced any other like pls next year,
I think whatever, like not like Backlash, but like whatever
goes after Backlash will be like.
Speaker 1: Before Summer Slam, though, I was you're saying, right, yeah,
that would make sense. Yeah, we could do because Summer
Sound is a big show and then we got that,
so yeah, no, I'm probably down to change it up.
Speaker 2: Because it is a longer stretch and everything.
Speaker 1: But this year, I feel like between debuts, lots of injuries,
which also we will talk about today, lots of changes,
I feel like our next shake upcoming is going to
be There's be a lot going on, so we'll see
what happens. But yeah, s bubs, uh, what do you
have right now for the points going on for our draft?
Speaker 4: All right? Yeah, we're officially in where I have to
open a second.
Speaker 2: Page that time of year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they're on week twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're doing that.
Speaker 1: I think I have the updated I don't know if
do you have all the names and everything?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I knew okay, maybe because I updated mine June. That
would have been the last time we did it, right June.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so yeah, to give it well out for
a long time.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I think I got the correct list, but yeah,
to give her on list, Oh go ahead.
Speaker 4: Oh I was going to read out the points, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, read out the point, read out the points and
then we'll give a refresher food.
Speaker 2: Everyone's gote because before we drop them them and everything.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so I've got six hundred and seventy five points,
Travis has seven hundred and forty points, and David has
four hundred and seventy two points.
Speaker 1: Oh, David need some big shake ups coming up going
on there.
Speaker 3: So I've been hurting with some people. Just decided to
they just work, going to show up to work for
a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because David, you got Cody Rhodes, you got beyonc
Beyonca hus Vinson, he's shooting on for bet.
Speaker 2: You got Bianca see him, Punk, Chelsea Green, La Night.
Those are that's the.
Speaker 1: Only okay, And you say who we have because I
thought I had the update once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who do we go? Who does David them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, David has, Cody Rhodes, Bianca Villair, Stephanie Vacuer, Chelsea Green,
l A Knight, Bronson Reed, Tiffany Stratton, Jade Cargill, Finn Balor,
Mantes Ford and then the jobber is Carmela.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you could you on paper, you got
some good ones Green and Bianca, but that is like Green,
like I know she's been wrestling with just nothing big recently.
Speaker 2: And Tiffany let but.
Speaker 1: I mean like no main events, no big like titles,
like she's always wrestling, but nothing like a big stip,
money in the bank like that to me, Like she's
constant point there, but she's not like, oh, every once
in a while you have that one person gets you
point where Tiffany she's getting those points. But she's just
kind of a lot of promos recently too, you know, say,
same thing with Cody's doing Street Fighter and everything.
Speaker 4: So yeah, Travis has, Ria, Seth Fron, Charlotte, Jay Becky, Live,
Jacob Jordan and Larra Belcarria.
Speaker 2: Jordan.
Speaker 4: Why am I Jordan Grace?
Speaker 2: Oh fuck yeah, that the fact that I first place I.
Speaker 4: Think was that who screwed you there is like Meltzer.
Speaker 1: I think it was Melts Melts repw Insider. Yeah, I'm
never doing that again. I'm never. I get that's tough though,
because I got points on the rust of One, which
was the same thing of their coming this week, and
I guess that was like they're coming soon, so nonofficial date,
but yeah, I'm surprised. I'm then still in first with
Jordan Grace literally just giving me goose eggs. But yeah, sorry, Jordan,
I'm out of just necessity. I'm gonna be for sure
dropping her. So if anyone wants her next week or
next episode Phil three to pick her up, yeah I have.
Speaker 4: I have John Cena, Guntherr, Penta, Eo Sky, Naomi Punk,
Julia Ray Phoenix, Roxanne and Nathan Fraser. Oh and so
loo's my job and that your job is Austin Theory.
Speaker 2: Oh god, you're lucky.
Speaker 4: You were lucky. You know this draft is before Survivor series.
I could have dropped you like a negative twenty.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, I'm getting rid of him because who
knows what's going on. I can't even get anything with him.
But yeah, I guess goother for you is a big
goose egg one right now to sign right.
Speaker 4: Probably gonna keep him because if this tournament thing is
like real, yeah, that's like that's gonna be like multiple.
Speaker 2: Do you have seen that right now too?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you get a double main event to the scene.
Speaker 4: I'm keeping it until then, like I'm just gonna sure. Yeah. Yeah,
like he's like getting me, like he gets me twenty
points basically for every PO league.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's worth it.
Speaker 1: I'll yeah, well, there you go. There's the updated list.
So we will get into it. And yeah, first we'll
talk about w stuff because we got the a w
Wrestl Dream perview. But the reason we'll do that is
because it's my I don't know. The reason I put
it first is because this will dictate how long we
can talk about Wrestl Dream, because we're gonna talk about
astly the Seth injury angle, and that could probably lead
to some tangents and.
Speaker 2: Whatnot, but yeah, we're gonna talk about that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about SmackDown because that had some big
developments and bad and then a bunch of.
Speaker 2: A little stuff in between. And then yeah, we'll review
wrestl dreaming, same thing.
Speaker 1: Talk about a few little uh full gears matches that
seem to be shaping right now. That the internet I've
manned the internet, I've seen a lot of people not
happy about Mercedes and Chris happening, which is like, I.
Speaker 2: Kind of we'll get there.
Speaker 1: I kind of get so it's like I was like, oh,
I understand, but it's like, I guess it is like a, yeah,
this is kind of a weird thing to do right now.
Speaker 4: I've seen some certain theories from people who are like
someone like the biggest Mercedes like fans. I've seen have
some certain theories about why this is happening.
Speaker 1: Okay, so say those, save those when we get there.
That's good because I'll be excited to hear those. So yeah,
let's talk about this is so funny because I don't
know this is not verbatim, but we had a big
portion right because I feel usually what happens every couple
gimmick episodes, we start talking about WrestleMania, even the second Mania,
like episode out for Restumet, You're like, well what about
next year? Right? But this I can't remember what started,
but soon was starting when we were talking about oh,
it seems to be the layout yet to we had
a whole segment right it kind of seemed clear for
raw or at least some assessed things. But literally at
the end, I said, oh, well, you know, of course
we you know all this can go down, but you
know we have to wait and see what injuries happened, whatnot.
And man, I'm not it's karma.
Speaker 2: Is not the right word.
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna say is it is ironic that supposedly
now it seems like legitimately that Seth Runs is injured, injured,
gonna be at least to four to six Yes, today,
I guess. Meltzer said on the show, I haven't listened
to flipisode that like they're hoping to be back for Manium,
Like I don't know. I yeah, yeah, I got, I
don't know. We'll see even even if he's healthy. I
feel like we'll talk about plans. I feel like it
could be better just to hold him.
Speaker 4: But I understand you like like show up on rock
or Mania but not wrestle until backlash, like get it
on an extra month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what we're talking about. Where, Okay, what's
gonna be all the stuff? Who's gonna be an event
and yeah, in between that. Obviously, a few months ago
we had that Seth injury angle, but it turned out
to be an angle where uh, now not so much.
It seems like Seth is either a shoulder rod, tearcuff
arm somewhere in there.
Speaker 2: We're going it up.
Speaker 1: I'm sure some sort of update on Monday. It's gonna
be a gimmick one too, but still we're gonna get something.
But yeah, Seth Rollins is actually injured. So here's the thing.
One completely sucks from an all's perspective because, like people
point out, I'm not gonna say this guy's the unluckiest
guy in the world because multiple time Russell Mayman inventor champion,
married to Becky Lynch, but he does have some really
bad time in his career with his body. Obviously, in
twenty fifteen people pointed out that similar time when it happened,
but now same thing in the middles angle. I will
say that I'm happy because I was not watching raw,
but when I got the updates, I'm happy. From uh,
you know, we hear all these reports of w using
AI or Triple H missioning three weeks, so you never
know what's gonna be happening, what's sure, what's not? But
when I saw the angle of Braun spearing in them
new in the breakup, I was like, Man, they've really
this is this was feeling like like I don't know,
two thousand and nine, no, I'll go a little yeah, no,
maybe two thousand and nine teen a.
Speaker 2: Stuff where it's like they're just doing swerves for the sake.
Speaker 1: It's like it's a swerve bro like Vince Russo or
like all end of WCW. But that's where I guess
I'm not happy about it. But as this makes sense
for a pivot, because when I got the update, I
was like, man, what are they doing here?
Speaker 2: Like this doesn't make sense?
Speaker 1: And a bunch of beeble put up that was the
plan where it was me Seth and Roman Brawn would
turn them knife after So I think we can all
insinuate that Roman would have beat set for that time,
which we kind of you know, I know people are
saying all the Sammy's things back on. It's like I
don't know yet if the Big Dog won the world
title on Netflix, he still might be getting it right.
But we'll talk about all scenarios. But that was seemingly
a plan which we kind of all predicted it far
as you do that program, whether it is Roma set
and then you do the big RANDI organ thumbs down,
turn on him, and then bronze the guy. Right, So
with Seth being injured, this makes sense why they do this.
It feels like a little contrived, but they give some
reasons why it made sense. But yeah, s, bubs, what
do you I'll.
Speaker 2: Open the floor to you.
Speaker 1: What is your your cause we're going over several what
do you I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you what you
everyone what they want or what they think is gonna happen.
First onces are different, But do you think is going
to be the likely from next Monday to WrestleMania. So
we're going we're going far out with this world title ross,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: Sort of like, well, the thing I'm thinking is like
everyone's like, oh, like Bron's just gonna win it right
away because that's injured. But I don't like because the
way it's like it's a thing where like if they
touch the belt before they win it, then they're not
luck Yeah, I feel like it could be like something
like I mean, I feel like this the title could
change hands. I don't know, because it's like I think, honestly,
Punk is like the number one contender and they did
that anyway doing the Seth injury, and so I think
it's probably gonna be maybe they add like Jay Uso
and l A. Knight in there, but I think Punk
and Broun in some capacity are gonna be wrestling for
the title at Suray Night's main event.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah I could. I could see that, yeah.
Speaker 4: Because Punk's like on the poster and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that makes that a lot bigger now too.
Yeah yeah, yeah, I saw just shared him and whatnot.
And what do you because this is like short term,
but what do you think they're gonna do? Do you
think we're still getting war games at Survivor series? Do
you still think that because I think I've seen a.
Speaker 4: Lot of people are getting wars or I.
Speaker 1: Guess I mean like the Men's like the main roster
or anything that, because I've seen people pitch the like
the m F T Versus Wyatt six is war games. Like,
so you think the main squad of like these main
characters on Raw and a couple other people will be
still be doing like a Men's war game.
Speaker 4: I think they probably will. Yeah, okay, what else, as
I say, yeah, let's say so let's say they do
like yeah, because I think I think Punk wins it
like at say Night's main event, but I could see
him like because I don't because I feel like I
think he wins it there they do war games, and
he's probably like in the war games match. So I
guess you could have you could have the you could
have the Heels win with like I'm like beating Punk
in the cage, and then I guess you would do
that member like maybe like yeah, maybe you do it
at like like the scene of Saturday an event if
that's gonna have multiple matches, which I don't know if not,
if it's only gonna be like a full Scena show,
I say, maybe do that like on the first raw
of twenty twenty six. Yeah, okay, because unless you want
to like save that until the Rumble, I don't really
think so. I think Punk's probably gonna be like in
the rumble. So I think if he is the champion,
he probably drops it by then. And so let's say
let's just keep going because I'm going with my thing
of what I think. And so I'll say Ron wins it.
Let's say on the first draw of twenty twenty six
from Punk, then he's the champ. I guess you could
have Roman just like win the Rumble and say he's going.
Speaker 1: I think the big dogs winning. I think he's winning
the Rumble. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then yeah you think
that and anything. Yeah. Honestly, now, like before, I was
always like, I don't know if they're doing that. I
didn't know if they were doing that, But now with
these injuries, I could see it being a thing.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of the same thing with the Seth thing.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of funny that off I knew they
weren't gonna do Punk and Rallings to WrestleMania, but obviously
the big first Punk and Rollings match was gonna be Mania.
Speaker 2: Punk gets hurt, and now we're building up to like
the what we all assume would be.
Speaker 1: The finale for now, right for Punk and rawlins like
end the chapter closest book for now.
Speaker 2: But now Seth gets hurt.
Speaker 1: It's like, no matter what their big their biggest matches
get messed up, other than the Raw on Netflix one,
which you know was big, but still not like climactic
like some of the other ones.
Speaker 2: That's kind of crazy, but okay, only.
Speaker 4: One on one matches have been on raw, like they
had the Netflix one and then the Steel Cage one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're one on one. So Dave, what is
your what do you think is gonna happen right now
and before? If we're getting crazy into some pitches, But
what's what's logistic for Triple H and the AI I lash.
Speaker 3: I've plotted this out. I've plotted out both a want
and a.
Speaker 1: Think, So so say save the want, just do the
think right now, and then we'll go back around.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the think because the want is
way out there. The think is that with the fact
that Braun walked out with the belt and he's holding it,
he is going to start claiming that he is the champion.
Punk is going to say, hey, I earned my shot.
I want my shot.
Speaker 1: So Bron's gonna do the aw CM Punk real World
Champion gimmick. He's close.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Adam Pierce is gonna say, Braun, you have not earned
that championship, but I will give you a chance to
earn it. But here's the situation, because I don't like
chaos on my show You versus Punk at Saturday Night's
main event, winner is the champion. Loser does not get
to challenge as long as the winner is champion. Fast
Punk win, Punk Punk wins. Fast Forward to Royal Rumble.
Broun wins the Royal Rumble. Then he challenges Punk for
it as a loophole because I'm the Royal Rubble winner,
I get to challenge whoever I want. I'm coming after
that time.
Speaker 2: They first they could do that, I won't put it past.
Speaker 1: And with all the people there, I think the thing
I'm more hung up is you're pitching that Punk's gonna
be champion from November to April.
Speaker 2: This man's gonna be strung.
Speaker 1: There's like, there's no way they would.
Speaker 3: They would do it just to have him lose the
title at WrestleMania. You know, good and damn well they
would do it just knowing to pay office him losing
at WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: No, I think we're pasted that once he did the
Saudi show, Tripley, she loves him now like he's he
did his like Hollywood ritual humiliation thing.
Speaker 3: No, because Triple Ah still has friends in certain places,
and Punk is very vocal about those certain places.
Speaker 1: And they still they still gotta keep their still gotta
keep him someone happy. AJ signed now you know, full
time aj Lee, who fucking has been nowhere at all?
Speaker 2: Whoever reported that too? Full time contract?
Speaker 3: Yeah right, and hopefully sometime in the interim, AJ wins
against Becky and then they going in to be the
face version of what uh Seth and Becky were.
Speaker 1: See. I think you could.
Speaker 2: I think you could still do that, but just shorten period.
Speaker 4: Yeah, joking about AJ. I do actually think she is
like coming back this week.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I just remember we talked to a whole episode when
that like.
Speaker 4: It well, the thing was like there were photos like
like she was backstage like the next like two raws,
and then she wasn't on the show. So then I
think the week after that they're like, yeah, you can
just stay stay home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, we'll see. So I gotta ask you
so honestly, So I suppose his kind of pitch was
the I think you said, like see him punk to Cody.
Speaker 2: I'll ask you then, what do you do with Cody at.
Speaker 1: WrestleMania, Dave? And also where's the Big Dog? Where's Rome Rains?
Because in your pitch. He's nowhere near the raw title.
We're getting Cody Roman three.
Speaker 3: You can still do Cody and Roman three. And that
one is as simple. That is basically Roman coming back
and saying, hey, I'm I'm I beat you, you beat me.
I'm here to finish this off. The big dog is back.
This is my yard now, no more distraction.
Speaker 2: He has the whole vest and everything like that.
Speaker 3: I'm not a good guy. I'm not a bad guy.
I'm just the guy.
Speaker 2: And legiterly too.
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing, like this happen was seth and
I'll say this again not to jinx anybody, but like
it is like earlier, like other injuries and stuff could happen,
right like Punk got injured at the Rumble. So that's
the thing where I don't think Roman and Cody three
is impossible. I know A Boo had said that he'd
heard that, Like some people think that match isn't gonna
happen because that.
Speaker 2: Both of them don't really want to lose.
Speaker 1: But at a time where if enough injuries happen and
they just go we need a big match, I could see,
like Cody versus Roman is not you.
Speaker 4: Know, you're not there if they wanted to do you
do Punk versus Cody versus Roman?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Punk takes the pinfall again. Yeah, and he's
he's kissing the sky again.
Speaker 4: But Roan did get pinned this year.
Speaker 1: That's a set though, that's different though Ces's boy, you know.
But yeah, that's the thing where I I don't, I don't.
I would not pizza bet and I would put that
in the lower percentage of big match that was happening.
But I don't think it's impossible for Cody and Roman
to happen because of all the stuff that goes down.
So with me with my want, I think I'm or
sorry with the think I it's just a question like
for I'm just locked on the Punk thing because I'm
kind of s pubs of like, do we just have
Braun win it right away? And you could, right because
I've seen people pitch like the bron and it's not
even as bad as brock Leser because brock Lesner was
in the company for six months when the title. But
do you just strap Braun up and get him to
go to the rocket right away? Or do you kind
of wait for a bigger moment. But I I think
I'm gonna lean to that Punk is the contender. And
I think I'm kind of a hybrid of these two
where I think they're gonna do. I find it weird
if Jay and Elle and I are back in there,
it's like you guys lost their contentent ship. They could
do that, but it's like you guys lost, you don't
get a shot right now. For me, I think it's
gonna be Yeah, I think it's gonna be similar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think it's gonna say what David Simmer's
maybe they'll have Braun also win a match too. Maybe
they'll have like he'll say, hey, you're gonna maybe they'll
say l A Knight and Jay get like a second chance.
But in that triple threat also does Braun Breaker, and
you set that up there, and I think I'm gonna
lead to they do just strap up Braun because my
thing is that either you can do Braun and Roman
easily Spear versus Spear, you know, bron Breaker, big Dog,
all that stuff, right, you got the Paul Hayman lore,
you tie and stuff with Jay usso, but also for
cirt whatever reason, if Meltzer is correct, which you know,
you never know every Scooper is not one hundred percent,
but there's some stuff he's right on. If and al see,
I believe this that they're gonna they help have him
back for Mania.
Speaker 2: I think there's.
Speaker 1: Always a chance people pitch. I don't think it's gonna happen,
but people pitch the whole you know, freak scene a
comeback right, Like, don't get me wrong, I'm actually.
Speaker 4: Are you doing like no, you know what like Roman
War Chamber or Roman went to the rumble, they're doing
like the the contract signing. Saith comes out the contract.
Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, the ben Wall, the ben Wall Michael, Yeah again. Yeah,
we've talked about before about.
Speaker 4: That last year too with the with Rio where she
like lost the EEO and like didn't win like the
Chamber or anything, but she just went out and signed
the contract.
Speaker 1: That's where when you said the David's loophole thing couldn't happens, Like, no,
it could because there's no like you.
Speaker 4: Were just looking at this different because it's like like
taking because David's thing was like like the stipulation was
like if bron loses, he can never challenge for that
title as long as like Punk is holding it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it all takes that Rumble contract to say,
and this voids all other stipulation like they can make
up whatever dumb ship they want to be, like you're
you're in it, So I it's.
Speaker 3: It's literally, Hey, this world Rumble contract says I can
challenge for any championship. I choose that much.
Speaker 4: I believe in general, I don't think they do like
the he can't challenge because Brona hasn't even challenged like
at all for it.
Speaker 2: So that's true that you know that could be, but it.
Speaker 3: Would at least keep them away from the Okay, you
have this now they immediately have to challenge at the
World War or they immediately have to challenge at the
scene of pay per view or something like that. It
takes off the table of the immediate we're going to
run this back. You put some space he can punk
and go back to l A night because they've had
that little back and forth of.
Speaker 1: You'll never be the type of.
Speaker 3: Deal you know, yet you got options there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, And honestly, I guess I'll wait till I'll
say this because I'll forget about it. Not to be mean,
because like I'll forget about l A Knight. To me,
this would be the time we've said it before. I'm like,
when they're gonna put the tone La Night, I've said
it before where it's like that's when he gets the title.
When it's like, shit, someone's injured. What do we do
to me, Punk's already over Give it to La Knight
for one month run. Just give it to him even
if Bronz squashes No, don't squash them. But I mean,
like at like rumble, let's say our war games. Let's
say La and A wins, it leads a wargame, Elle
Knight loses for his team and that sets a norm
contender boom.
Speaker 2: Like, to me, this is the time.
Speaker 1: Give it a test, give it the edge, three week run,
see what he does, see reaction, sees merch because then
if it doesn't work, then you go, well we never
got to do that again, Like it's not some big lineage.
Oh well we better not give it to La It's
like fucking Jack Swagger's held this title, you know, and
Ella Knight has way more business than Jack Swigger ever
did holding that title, right, So for me, like I
guess I'm dipping into my my want because like I'm
not even a massive Ellie Knight fan, but it's like
this is the perfect proven ground he's hurt. Give it
to him and it sets up the story too. Ellie
Knight was there for the Seth injury angle. This would
be a good payback for him, but now he's just
gonna keep losing.
Speaker 4: So I what might they actually didn't take the pin
in the j Punk match, like the triple threat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I just mean like and we're like
the like Braun will win it and then all Knight's
gonna challenge him.
Speaker 4: That gives you in terms of like you could get
him in there.
Speaker 2: That's true, So so oh go ahead, dude.
Speaker 3: I heard an interesting point about l A Knight where
someone else compared him to Caine, saying that he's that
guy who you don't see winning the title. He could
lose a bunch of matches, but then if people get
injured and he's in a big match and wins the title,
it's just like okay.
Speaker 1: But now at that time that like, so that's that's
the thing. Where so for me I think is I
think they're just gonna bron win it. Punk will get
close and get screwed. Maybe that's where we'll get a
new Vision member where Broun wont to bring one of
his own guys, which I don't think Austin theory fits
that at all. Yeah, Like to me, yeah, like you're
just saying that to me, like fits from yeah the
theory one. Just I don't see fear now that Seth's
gone the bronze together. That's a different type of faction
with SEF. I could see Austin in the past and
make all this stuff.
Speaker 4: To me, it does those big media men, and then well.
Speaker 1: That's what I want. Yeah, the big big media man
get a big ee to be a heel manager with him.
But to me, Tony like he's not like big meaty guy,
but he just fits more than Austin does. But I
think Brown wins it, and I think barring injury, he
held he holds it to Mania because what they can
do is they can give him Roman or what we're
up tumbled before we went off, is if Seth wins
Seth or Seth come back, that's an easy WrestleMania match, Right.
I really have no interest in Babyface Seth wrong. So
I think that's the worst thing about this injury is
that everyone was ready for heel Seth. I don't think
the vision was like perfectly handled, but it was at
least in a way where it was a consistence to
his character. They made him a little goofy and he
got a little too heeling, but still it was something
different and it worked for the context of WrestleMania and
last year with Paul Hayman all that stuff. And it
does feel just kind of because the injury that's fine,
but the him being hell. I hope that when he
comes back he is like, do this as a tweeter,
but then kind of get back to healed right away.
But you can't really run a faction because like he
has now been in four factions, I think he's two
for two. Authority and Shield obviously worked very well. This
you know, you can't really this doesn't count. He got injured.
The other one did not work as well, so it's
like you can't put him on the stables. So Seth's
just kind of when he comes back, he's kind of stuck.
Which that's like he's just in this weird limbo of
what do you do. It's not like the first time
when he got injured as a heel. He came back,
but it was all the authorities screwed him over with
Kevin Owens and all this, like you could and he
was there was that great video of when he was
all gassed up and he was high on the drugs
that I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna be world champ.
Like there's all the sympathy for him. There's just no
sympathy right now for the seph Rons character currently, right,
it's just like, yeah, so they have a very tough
time and sas a smart guy, so I hope hopefully
he can figure it out.
Speaker 2: I just actually have no interest match.
Speaker 1: Why sure, Seth and Brown will be great, but that
story of him and Braughn at WrestleMania, like, I guess
to me, that's just not going on last. Then I
think something else is going on last, because it's.
Speaker 4: Just I feel like and the problem that's how.
Speaker 1: Sethieo or Tiffany and Bionca, like one of those women's
match can step up. I just think it's the case
of the problem for Seth is bron Breaker is kind
of a cool heel.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: That's the only way I would try, even though he
turned on him, and then have Braun as a heel.
That's the only way I would try to make it work.
Is like, imagine if while this is running, Braun gets
very baby facing, and when Seth comes back, he does
turn the whole vision onto Braun because it's kind of
like they don't believe in Braun or they don't you know,
he's too big, the Batista thing is too big for
more Randy Orton, like that's the I would prefer them
to try to do that, because I just don't I
think at WrestleMania, I can see people still behind Braun,
so it's just I I really don't know. But my
think is that it's you know, like I said, it's
gonna be Braun and Roman, maybe a triple threat, maybe
Braun and Seth. If Seth is good to go, So
my want I have two and now I'll go I do.
I would actually so Ela Knight's one. I actually would
like Punk to get like a month or two run.
I think that'd be fun. I think that I think
he's proved, even his body has proved he could do that,
So I would like that. Well, my my whole time want,
which would not happen. I would want what David's pitching.
But We're a little different where Punk does hold it
till April, but the big Dog wins the rumble and
we got Punk and Rowing.
Speaker 2: One on one.
Speaker 1: To me, that is a super intriguing match, Punk versus
Roman one on one. Punk is the chance like that, No,
Paul Hayman, so they can just spark like that to
me is so intriguing that I bet they won't do it.
Speaker 2: So my other wild pitch, I pitch is in the discord.
Speaker 1: I would love it, and they would never do it
because it would get him to eighteen. But I would
say that they do like just a either scramble, a
gauntlet something and on that one of those matches at
Saturday Night's main event is or sorry, Survivor series, you
just let yeah, you let the Whitts have their war game.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: You have the women have the big event one but
it is like a term or something, and it comes
down to four and Scena is in that match, and
Sina wins the title. He gets to be the world champ.
Because I know we've talked about him beating Dom, which
could be good, but for.
Speaker 4: Me, I'll say with with Dom and like the Gunther
of it, it's weird because it's like, what I think
they're gonna do is like he beats Dom and then
Goot beats him like for the title. But really the
way it should be in my opinion, would be like
he loses to Dom like through like some cheating type way,
and then like he would beat Gunther in his last match.
Speaker 1: You you still think Guther's taking the l there, I
think I don't think.
Speaker 4: No, I said, I think like, I think what they're
gonna do is like have him beat Dom and then
Goother beats him like for the ICY title. But then
oh yeah, I think it's more. I think it helps
Dom more to beat Sena then it would hurt Goomther
losing this Sena.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I just I just don't like this
an era of Guther getting back into the ICY to
I guess it's like what we've talked about before, where
it's a Gizzy an the world title at the same time,
I don't know if he would win. But for me,
another intriguing match at wrestled mean is Guther and Cody
because they've only done that once, that that Great Rumble,
and to me, you could Guther hasn't won a Rumble,
so he could easily win that and you could final yeah.
Speaker 4: See because there's like the one where Cody came back
and they did like like twenty minutes at the end
of the rumble, and then the next year's rumble, Gunther
was top three years it was him, Punk and Cody
were the last three.
Speaker 1: So that and and that's the thing to me, Like
Guther was like, I don't know, maybe it could happen.
I guess Cody versus Randy. I just like we all know,
like Randy's looking up the lights, but maybe not. Maybe
we'll see what happens. Yeah, and that's maybe not. Yeah,
So and that's the thing. We'll see what happens with
and for some Reasoneah, I guess with Punk twos that's.
Speaker 4: The thing though, just I guess that's we're already doing
the like with the with the World Heavyweight title. We
could do the same thing of like what do you
see like from here to Mania for like each of
the titles, like let's go to codey now, oh some.
Speaker 1: Bad chatchy Bee booking that like Drew Jack and Drew
McIntyre said on Twitter there like I just.
Speaker 4: See the fight full report about the chat GVT stuff
there said Meltzer said it to It's like yeah, people
people misinterpret what I said and fight bols like it's
not like yeah, basically what he said is that it's
not being used to write storylines or anything or said,
it's basically just used for like they have all the
stuff in like a database and the writers ask it
like how many times have we done this match before?
When's the last time these people wrestled? Yeah, you know,
but yeah, apparently Meltzer like Meltzer, what he just said
was like yeah, like they're using AI and the creative
Department and then people like, yeah storylines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that And that's one thing I will say
Lee setting on the were talking about the SmackDown and
Cody's stuff and all that stuff, is they have so.
Speaker 2: Many top guys.
Speaker 1: That's where we did pitch, like you can do Cody
and Randy, Cody and good Cody and Punk. And that's
what I'll say before we go to Cody, and I
guess the ties with Punk is to me, if Punk
and Cody is the plan, then I think Punk does
not win this title at all, because you have to
make it that if Punk versus Cody has to be
like oh, this is the first time Punk would win
the title and have like a run, even if it's
a month. But if he's already won the world title
for even a couple of weeks, I think that's like, oh,
Cody's just gonna beat him, unless it's like Punk healing up.
But like multiple people have said that, like it sounds
like Punk's not turning heel anytime soon, just for like
ticket sales and merch. It's like they don't want to
cut that off until it's done right. I don't think
people are done with Punk. I think people like that character.
I think there's still more stuff they can do with
him and AJ his babyfaces.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 3: As the biggest part of that, I think AJ is
the biggest part of him not turning.
Speaker 4: Heel thinking too, because it's like, if.
Speaker 3: You're bringing her back and doing everything with that, then
you don't want to turn him. He'll just yet if
you're gonna turn, if you're gonna do the He'll turn,
it needs to be natural for one of them and
then brings over the other instead of just him going hell.
While she's still getting super pops and things like that,
she's talking about how you guys helped, you know, with
my anxiety, and you guys helped with my mental health
and coming back has been really good for me. And
then all of a sudden, she turns hill. It just
it that duality just does not.
Speaker 4: Like that Becky and Seth both being heels was working
really well, yes, and like when they when well, I mean,
there wasn't really a point recently where like I'm trying
to think we're like, no, they were. They were both
feels pretty much the same time, like since they've come back,
because Becky turned heel on the roth Ermania and Seth
was too.
Speaker 2: Two days before.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So I was.
Speaker 4: Trying to think like if there was a time where
they overlapped like Rana's button. No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just think there's more like there, like
I can't name off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: I feel we've talked about.
Speaker 1: There's just more like multi person matches they can do,
like the mixed tags like other couples, other factions and stuff,
you know, whether it's anything with Rock Sanne or Roquel
or other people that like there's another one. I thought, oh,
like uh oh, yeah, I guess we talk about dom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't write Dom and Rock same versus a
Jam Punk and start setting that up because it's the
icy title program and everything.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think for SmackDown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just I've still just never I guess I've
been on board that they're doing Cody and Punk.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I just I don't feel like they're going that way yet.
So I think I'm boring where I just think this
whole story is still gonna lead to Randy and Cody,
whether it's a Chamber win, whether it's Randy. The story
I would like is Cody or Randy get the title
and then Cody chasing.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think I still think we're getting like at some point,
like a Cody Drew Randy like triple threat match. I
don't know that'd be good Survivor Series or something. I
mean because like I said, like like Drew needs to
win this silent at this.
Speaker 2: Point, yes he does. Yeah, Like I think.
Speaker 4: Like the ideal thing for me with that would be
like Drew winning at like suren Night's main event. You do,
like a triple threat at Survivor Series with like Randy,
Drew and Cody, where like I don't know, probably like
Drew pins Randy or something, and like Drew retains and
then you put the title back on Cody out the
room bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah I could see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, David, do you have anything for smack Down
what you're feeling right now? As far as anything, I guess,
So I guess, And my thoughts is, I don't know
we're getting there.
Speaker 2: I just think it.
Speaker 1: Does go with Cody and Randy eve though I don't
know if that's the biggest Mania match now, just with
the way they book Randy in my opinion, they could
change that and heat him up obviously, but like just
right now, I just feel like he's just like a
very just it feels like anytime Sean Michael's got a
title shot in the two thousand and five to like
return era, where just like he's always a vowed contender.
Speaker 2: But he knew he wasn't being anybody for that title.
Speaker 1: So I just feel like Randy to me, sometime other
than a month or two, like, I just feel like
Cody would be in at WrestleMania. Cody also just lost
to Wrestlemingia Sena, So.
Speaker 3: Other than Drew or Roman, I don't see any WrestleMania
opponent right now for Cody, that seems a viable option.
And if you're gonna put someone up against your quote
unquote QB one, your your guy at WrestleMania, it can't
be somebody who we think ninety percent chance they're taking
the loss. I see Randy Moore as a Rumble opponent
or you know, one of those other like a big
pay per view, but not the big pay per view. Yeah,
and so they run that there they have their match.
But no, right now, I still see Drew or Roman
as the big opponent on that big this stage, unless
they just take this time over the next couple of
months to do the a w lore.
Speaker 4: You do the opposite with Jericho.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if that happens.
Speaker 3: If that happens, If that happens, I am putting you
on the Jericho cruise, and I'm giving that thing a
Viking's funeral. How dare you bring that?
Speaker 4: I haven't pizza that loaded. I'm not gonna say what
it is yet, but like, if he comes back at
the Rumble, I have a pizza vet loaded that I'm
like extremely confident this.
Speaker 2: Man is gonna tell us he has a ticket to
the Jericho cruise.
Speaker 4: Luckily it's setting off from from Miami.
Speaker 2: Well there you go.
Speaker 1: Oh there's a point there that I was gonna say.
But yeah, and that's the all right when you're talking
about Randy and Cody. The other thing is too, I
could see if, like if they.
Speaker 2: Do Randy and Cody WrestleMania. I think we've told this before.
Speaker 1: That to me is always like that could be the
hot opener wrestling, right, that could be finally a year
where Cody doesn't main event wrestling because he not finally,
but like he has since thirty nine, right, that's three
years in a row.
Speaker 2: Now they could say, hey, this year that says someone
else oh a lot, yeah, a lot. And to me,
like and tonzos were not valid, you.
Speaker 1: Know he said, yeah he did for if you're count
of the Night once he has every time, right with
the triple threat. And then also sure the two years
before Cody, but like two of those brock Lesser ones
were a waste.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: There's a couple other times too where it's like he
should not have been the main So they could just
want to do that and rack those up.
Speaker 2: And that's where I will say too, It's like I will.
Speaker 1: Have to judge just when we get back to WrestleMania
and see the story was and because we talked around it,
but super lamanding.
Speaker 2: I've not watched SmackDown at all.
Speaker 1: Like SmackDown, I would always kind of be if he
in and out before WrestleMania and then some or sometime
I not watch SmackDown at all.
Speaker 2: I still watch a full raw. I've watched segments of it.
Speaker 1: If I know something BIG's gonna happen, I'll tune in, right,
I watched for aj Lee stuff, But then so SmackDown
last week I find.
Speaker 4: Has only gotten like i'd say, like the last probably
like since the A J Lee return show has definitely
been like improving.
Speaker 2: That's like the.
Speaker 4: Bar is still very low, yeah, as of like the
low lows of SmackDown.
Speaker 1: And I guess to me, if it's a case where
Drew's not winning the title at all from now until Mania,
then I understand that, okay, Drew, Like Drew's not gonna
win it here, but just for some excitement, like you
already did the Cody loss his first title.
Speaker 2: He's not holding it for three years, so you can
rack up his.
Speaker 1: Win so and even then like figure something else out
the fact that it was just like a DQ with
Cody DQ me. Also, this kind of looks like a
I know, like laying babyface me where he's that throws
the challenge. Let's get the people what they want. I
know they're trying to say, he got so angry, got
worked up, he hit you the bet, but just like
it feel like I'm gonna challenge you and they're like,
oh shit, I might lose. That feels more like a
heel thing that he did.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're actually going that.
Speaker 1: Way with Cody anytime soon, but just it was a
very awkward finish, and so to me, if Drew does
win the title at any point from now Mania, I'll go,
you know what, you should have just called.
Speaker 2: An audible and did it that night like it was there.
Speaker 1: Could have created a big moment, something really like, oh wow,
that's why you gotta watch smack Down.
Speaker 2: But it just again, this year has been really bad with.
Speaker 1: The DQ finishes, especially i'd say since WrestleMania and the
fact that they did that again. I guess we're gonna
get Drew and Cody, but I think I think that
just means Drew's taking another loss.
Speaker 2: We could get that triple threat.
Speaker 1: But I just think if they didn't shrap him here,
I think Drew's goner, I guess, and I don't know.
Maybe he'll verst Damian Priest again at WrestleMania.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that also in this.
Speaker 2: The world title picture for SmackDown, And was there any
other want? Was there any other?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because David you said you had a hot take.
Speaker 1: What was your hot taker pitch for the wanting of
the world title, the raw world title?
Speaker 3: Oh my, my hot tank is that Punk wins it
and just goes on the tirade of a lifetime. Just
he is defeating all comers single handedly. There is no doubt,
notion in against It's just Punk being Punk. Just the
how his run was a couple of years ago. We
just recreate that where he is just he's that man
to be beat. We go through Facebook.
Speaker 1: Pictures have Punk doing long runs. He really wants a
Punk long world title one.
Speaker 2: I can feel you know.
Speaker 3: I want a Punk long run. And then at the
end of it, I want for someone from aw to
jump over and that be the person who takes not
Jericho hang Mane is the option. MJF is the one
that I want to jump over and be the one
to take the talks.
Speaker 1: It's gotta be the box has gotta be hanged man
one of those things.
Speaker 3: So that that's that's my hot take with that. But
to your point about SmackDown, Like, I was so let
down by the ending that I lost a lot of
trust in SmackDown, Like, it's gonna be very hard for
you to convince me to watch a big match, in
me to think that this big match is actually going
to matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which you don't expect to like, wasn't the awful.
It's just that the big payoff was a lot. And
obviously there's some stuff that was all right. But uh,
the other big returning got which we'll to see who
where he ends up in the draft list. But Samy's
am did an open challenge kind of everyone knew it
was gonna be dragging off but end up being draggon off.
He's back, much bigger, he's less tone but more like bulky.
He's got a big I'll say, not my favorite type
of tattoo, the neck tattoo, but you know it does
add to I don't know, it's funny. I've seen a
debate of like I feel like people are like it's
add to his aura or he has no aura, and
I feel like I'm kind of I'm I won't say
it's no aura, but I felt like there were some
dropdowns and even the knee brace.
Speaker 2: I'm like, can someone gets.
Speaker 4: The most or for you and wrestling just to get
a ceil? So I'll say, if you're going to a low,
if the Los isl clones.
Speaker 2: It's Ree Ripley for sure.
Speaker 1: Ree Ripley is the tippy top, and then Lois is
probably like Lois is Jericho.
Speaker 4: L clone, oh L clone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that dragon if I had to
see more, because like the look took it down. But
then when I watched that promo they released on social media,
that or A went up by ten right there. So
I feel like if we'd have to get a whole
scale making that that, but I feel like right now
he's sent at a solid seven. The next few weeks
will determine what they will be, because yeah, I think,
you know, even when he had the big stash, I
like that.
Speaker 2: I think I I think is he shorter?
Speaker 1: I liked him toned up a bit more, but he
has that wolverringe thing going on, and like I said,
he doesn't need to be like Charlotte with uh like sparkles,
but someone gets some color and then someone get that.
Someone get the color on the knee brace. Don't just
give him the gray and black like someone give him
a red one, like.
Speaker 4: You should have like a like a red or orange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something. But he came back. The gold one would work. Yeah,
gold one.
Speaker 2: He should have two in whichever his trunks are the
other color. Is that like a u to role of that?
Speaker 1: But he came back and to me, I didn't get
this the full five star on a drop kick, but
I gave the four point seventy five. Might watch it
again before the year. And this was a phenomenal match. Uh,
lots of great moments. I think my favorite one was
when they both did like the fire up comeback spot
but at the same time, like it fits because their
baby faces, so they're baby facing at the same time,
and it was incredible that the chop sequence was saying
was down. Dragonoff is one of those guys that, yeah,
it wrestling just feels real. He It's such a shame
that you know Brian's done, because all I want to
see is Brian.
Speaker 2: I want to see Brian goother.
Speaker 1: I want to see Brian dragonoff and actually Brian Lyra
as well.
Speaker 2: So like I honestly those three so bad.
Speaker 1: But uh, to me, I said this in the discord
because we're talking about because the rumor was that he's
come back, and I just said that they should start
to push right away. I didn't want to five to
eight week of he versus, you know, the miss versus,
because they do that with guys right sometimes where it's
like we're just gonna have him get a lot of
wins and then you know we'll eventually get them something big,
no big moment beat Sammy zaying it's not like he's
gonna go to raw and become a world CHAMPI but
to me, this was a perfect like start to push. Yes, dude,
this way and I'm very excited. I don't think they'll
keep the open Challenge, but I would like to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the first male to be NXT UK champion, NXT
Champion and a champion on the main roster. Oh really
never won anything in actual yeah next see only in UK,
but RHA is the one for in general.
Speaker 1: The ultimate aura machine there so but uh, yeah, no,
it's to me great start to it. Interesting where Sammy
goes I know people are excited and hoping the Sami
thing happens.
Speaker 2: I don't get me.
Speaker 1: Wrong, I would, but it's at the same time. Now,
to me, that story was him. You can do other stories,
but him beating Seth was at really like that to
me was the perfect story, especially the way Ross started
earlier this year. So I still think Sammy will win
the world title, but I just don't think it's gonna
be aut of Mania right now. But yes, what are
your thoughts on dragging off Sammy losing being back?
Speaker 2: You know what's next, et cetera.
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, the return in the and the match was awesome,
like like Ilia Dragon off is just he's just amazing. Uh,
And yeah, I thought the Mattresses were good. I like
that it didn't actually end on like the solo distraction
like it happened. But then Sammy like like countered Ilia
right away, and yeah the match is great and yeah
he got they got attacked by the by the MFTs again,
but then the Wyatts came out after too, So I
don't really know. What I think is probably gonna happen,
is like some of the mft's like get like us
title shots, Like I could see like a Thomas. Honestly,
Tom Tongka versus Ilio would be a good match. I
think that would be a cool match. Uh, And I
guess they're all just sort of like mixed because also,
like they put Phoenix out there, so I feel like him,
Sammy and Ilia are sort of gonna be like a group. So,
I mean I saw some people pitching like you do,
like like the n XT, like Triple Threat, war Games
or something like. Yeah, it was like three different Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be something different too, so yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm wondering where that all goes. But as
of now, the the win was good and honestly, Sammy
had a really good ray in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that like the longest, but it was when
I think that was the high point. Obviously a smackdownhen
they've kind of had some low stuff and yeah, I
don't know what they're gonna do, Like you had some
good pitches there, Sammy being around war games stuff like
that for a little bit. But I'll be very curious
to do see what they do with Sammy in the
coming months. If that's not the plan right now, is
to get in wrestling.
Speaker 4: Is there's also a chance that they that they saved
the World Tower will win for like wrestling and Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1: Right, I forgot about that, and that'd be the perfect
way for everybody because.
Speaker 4: People are pitching like, oh, like he's winning the rumble.
Speaker 3: Let's forget about the side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the title insunny to me.
Speaker 1: That is the way I'm like everybody being mad, like
you're going to sorry.
Speaker 2: For Amy as you give to Sammy the ultimate underdog.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's why that Sammy WrestleMania thing got halted
because yeah, I'm with you, That to me makes way
more sense than doing it. Like, I just don't see
it right now. None of the stories fit now with
out set. So yeah, that's a good pitch. Yeah, I
think that's that's definitely what it's gonna happen if everything
goes okay, So yeah, what about you, David, any thoughts
on this?
Speaker 3: I love that Sammy dragonoff match, that h bomb into
the boot, just the replay of that that was amazing.
The counter into the the snap suplex, the the running
Halluva kick that was just like the way that they
were going back and forth. I'm like, these guys are
just they're going to war here, and I would not
be mad if it became a running thing with whoever
has the US titled that that is the Open Challenge Champion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be great.
Speaker 1: Well, like it depends though, if Tongolo gets it then
you know, it all depends that the work or I'd say,
like the Babyfaces should probably do that then, right, Like yeah,
a heel wouldn't want to do that, right.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and I could. I could see definitely a
situation where whatever Babyface wins it says, hey, when whoever
else had it, you know, they were done on a jog,
but you know, we're gonna bring this back. And then
of course the he'll eventually wins it again and they
start running and whenever you get the baby Faces they
quote unquote bring it back. But no, that was a
great match. I do think that the MFT versus the
White thing was the Okay, we're having to change gears
with war games, so let's start.
Speaker 2: Men war games.
Speaker 3: Well, let's let's start building that now because with us
having to move up our timetable on the vision and
what we're doing with that, because I had in my mind,
I had the vision losing at war Games and that
was going to be the last final crack in the
vision was a loss at war Games. So with them
having to move things up, Okay, we're going to insert
two new groupings there, and so I think that they
could have those two groups could have like an amazing
war game. So I'm here for that. But yeah, I
think that that was the best part.
Speaker 4: Is like an opener wargames. So like like they're opening
the show with the White versus the m FTS.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it depends what the main is though, right,
because they might want to open hot with the women
and because you know that'll get like.
Speaker 2: A big reaction ag that could also main event.
Speaker 4: I don't think it is main Like I don't think
the whats versus.
Speaker 3: AJ is truly going to be a part of this match,
then it is main eventing, that's what.
Speaker 4: Unless they put like because they did that last year
they put like all the belt in wargans. Because let's say,
like because you could put like if you get the
heel team, like you, you could find a way to
put all the belts in the women's war games, like
oh yeah, Stephanie, like stony A, Charlotte, Alexa, you probably
put Julia with like Kyrie and Osca to have that
one in there too, Like there's a chance they do
like literally like this like the All Star Women's War
Games match.
Speaker 2: And I think you can main event that.
Speaker 1: For me, I just need to see what the title matches, right,
because even though we think it's Sara Nights May men,
what if they do some tournament and that's when they
decide the men's world champion is there, right, So it's
like for me, if it's crowning a new men's champion,
they're gonna give that to the that's gonna be the closing. No,
I think Whyt's is like a perfect mid card thing.
I've seen people be like, all that won't work. They
fucking chanted holy shit to them staring now the.
Speaker 4: Crowd will eat up last week to Yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Crowd will eat up the MFT and Wyatt's doing that.
They like the Wyat's like and just make a shorter one,
you know, because obviously it's it's a bit long with
the calls everything. But like I I don't think people
and they're like, oh, I don't know if that'll work.
Speaker 2: I understand it maybe not being a great match.
Speaker 1: No, that that's a whole different question, but like we've
seen other matches get fight forever, this is awesome. Chance
you're like, oh really this is what this match is
getting chanted Okay, So yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Sort of sort of related to I was saying, like
with the plans in the future we've been doing already,
I guess we can go into like the women's sort
of thing because no one hasn't had like as huge
of storylines. But I do think there's still like stuff
progressing there, like we just start with raw like with
Stephanie Vecuer, because it seems like the next thing for
her is like Rock San and Raquel, and I think
they're probably both gonna get title matches at some point.
I could see like a Raquel being like maybe, well no,
because like I said, it depends on how many people
are in this morgane they put in there. But I
feel like I feel like Rock San, I feel like
Raquel's gonna be built as like the big your match
of the of like the two.
Speaker 1: Yes, Raquel is either just I think she's just like
a raw defense to be honest.
Speaker 2: Maybe you could do serta.
Speaker 1: Event maybe, but I don't even know if that's like
a I don't know if that's putting butts in seats
to like Riquel versus Stephanie's. I think that's a raw
defense And yeah, no, I I guess said I I'm
a full seat. Stephanie's holding the single Mania, I think, so,
I actually don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think she's gonna hold. I think my theory
is I think OSCA is the next raw, like like
women's World Champion.
Speaker 1: Really hmmm, I think so Okay, yeah, I know, I know.
I'm still rocking the rheas win the rumble Stephanie.
Speaker 4: I think it could be like a because I don't know,
because I feel like because what they what they don't
like to do is like I don't know, because it
depends it. Sometimes they don't like doing like like a
face Beazza face, or like a heel beatsa heel if
it's like a storyline type thing. Like what I feel
like they would do is like if you want like
because I like, right now, I don't think. I don't
think Ria and Stephanie is happening at Manie like I'm still,
oh it's happening.
Speaker 1: It's hackening again. They're getting the trends and everything that
Ria is getting. Win the second Royal Rumble, like I
I think.
Speaker 2: They're going for I think Rio would lose too as well.
Speaker 1: I think that this show put over seventy because he
has won a bunch of Mania.
Speaker 2: It's like, I just unless they get.
Speaker 4: Ria do it at Mania again. I see the root
for that is like you're gonna have Oscar beat Oscar
beat Stephanie, EO beats Osca, and then you have Ria
finally beat Io for the first time at WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: Maybe.
Speaker 2: I guess there's two things.
Speaker 1: One, I still think there's always a chance that a
tag team run happens and that's what they do there.
I don't know if they would want to do that
for Mania. I don't think so. But I also would
not mind do.
Speaker 4: The tag team run like I think I think they're
next tack team run up until like EO would win
like a title yeah, and Rio would get into like
the thing again of like she's never actually beat her.
Speaker 1: I would also just want to be honest then if
they do, if they do Ria and EO, I would
rather than just do it not for the title, because
that's not like the story is like you can make
it that EO's being here for real, but like the
whole story is she can't beat Eo, right, And to me,
that's one where it's like that's a huge matchup with
like the Jade and Naomi thing where it's like, you
don't need a title. We got another women's match on here.
We've only had in the whole forty one years of resuming,
we've had one women's match that didn't have a title.
That could easily be another one of It's tough though,
because then you got to do like yeah, because then
there's a breakup and it's heel and stuff.
Speaker 2: But like so that probably wouldn't work.
Speaker 4: That's how I would refer you. You do Rias as
Fatista and I'm gonna rip.
Speaker 1: Your Yeah no, yeah, just it wouldn't work the way
I'm pitching, But that's what I would want. I don't
think you and even that, like, I don't think like
the fans would need that much if you just said, yeah,
they're gonna fight at WrestleMania because to decide who's best.
They'll be on board if you make the card good enough.
But yeah, what do you what do you think David?
With the Royal World title scene.
Speaker 3: I see Raquel being the immediate opponent. That's gonna be
the the back and forth. I do they are going
to get to the re match. It's gonna happen. Someone
please lock Booker t away in a room by himself
when this does happen, because I do not need to
hear his commentary or have the Internet when it does.
But outside of that, I think it's it's gonna happen.
I think it's gonna be a great match, and I
think it will be the final ascension point of Stephanie
Veck here, like this is the what we're putting you
up here, because Rhea does not have a problem losing,
Like she's proved that throughout her entire career. She does
not have a problem taking the pins. So I think
that in order to project someone up, you know, give
them that last little push this that would be it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then smacked own. I think I'm just going
with the easy answer right now. If Tiffany and Beyonca,
because I really have no idea over there.
Speaker 4: I just think you're not locked in for the double
champ Julia Agenda not yet. No, they're gonna do the match. Yeah,
I'm not sure if like Julia is actually gonna win.
Speaker 1: No, Julius not winning that, No, there's there to me,
there's no way.
Speaker 2: I will say.
Speaker 1: That's also in smack and that I was disappointed by
when like, oh, how do you feel you've lost in
a year or whatnot, and you're like, well, that's why
it is. But I'm ready for the next I was like, Oh,
finally something to maybe give Tiffany some doubt something going in.
Speaker 2: But it's like the match never happened, had no consequence,
which I know.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really, but like still like when they've been
built this wind streak to be like, what does this
feel like?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Not much shit?
Speaker 1: And I was like, whoever, And I don't put that
on her. I put that whoever produced that segment, wrote
or whatever. Just was like, oh, you could have done
something here, and may that be the reason why to
have some doubt with Julia of like, well, I did
just lose an X Y and Z, but nah, just
Tiffany doing her whole thing, which I feel like Tiffany's
just like still pop, there's still chance.
Speaker 2: But I just think they need some more.
Speaker 1: They need a hot feud for Tiffany because I feel
like she's cooled off a bit and it does feel
like where all the other people were last year and
she was up.
Speaker 2: There with them.
Speaker 1: I feel like the Stephan needs the Rea, the Eos,
like they're kind of eclipsinger. I guess I could still
maybe put her on that fourth wrong, but it feels
like she's gonna fall off at any moment now and
be replaced by somebody else. And I don't think that's
completely her fault, by the way, we talked about the matches,
but I think it's just the segments, and it sucks
with SmackDown. She's been locked with just doing Nie and
Jade for the past six months. You know, it's like
no one's invested in that right now, and Julia hasn't
had a good go either, So it's like this match
is on paper interesting, but I'm not invested character wise
right So honestly.
Speaker 4: It's like with like sort of stuff of like talks
of like call us and stuff like I can honestly
like like any women they call up should honestly all
go to the SmackDown. Like I feel like on Rock,
like the people you have is like you're you're pretty
good with the with the roster there.
Speaker 2: Even war injuries, you're good for a while.
Speaker 4: Even like with like you know, like Maxine du Pre
like actually getting over and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a character now, right, Like you know, it's
like a character spot, which you need those four worst
smackdowns just like I don't unless they want like upgrade
Chelsea Green to be an actual wrestler, which we know
she can be, like an actual wrestler.
Speaker 2: Wrestler, you could when you turn baby face.
Speaker 1: You could on like this girl's fucking putting on you know,
these classics with Penta and everything. Right, So it's like
you could do that, but you know we'll see, Yeah, David,
anything SmackDown window, where do you think it's going next
couple of months here.
Speaker 3: It's I'm with you on the whole biance thing. I mean,
I don't see they're they're kind of at a loss
right now for viable contenders, uh, mid card they have
a lot of viable contenders, but for a championship, yeah,
I don't see anything with that going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Also something that I guess, like for I'm talking
about is like where do you think like Live will
fit into all of it in general? Because she's like
pretty much like she's coming back at the rumble pretty
much is like the word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess to me, like again, barring other injuries
or whatnot, I feel she's.
Speaker 4: Like what's his like Mania match.
Speaker 1: Tag or something unfortunately or in like a in a
mid like the mid card title multi person match, like
that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: I think that would be the case.
Speaker 4: So something I'm thinking. I feel like, I don't know,
if you get like Roxane aj one on one, I
feel like it could be like a multi woman with
like living there and Becky in there and stuff like that.
Maybe you do like like like the classic you know,
media Mania mid card ladder match, but for the women,
that would be cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I I think it's gonna be something like that.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't. I know.
Speaker 1: I've seen some people pitching her winning the Rumble because
of return, she's never won the Rumble. I don't think that.
Speaker 4: Every year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see the vision though right of this year,
as far as she's never won, she would be coming back.
Speaker 2: You get a pop.
Speaker 1: I I wouldn't mind that. I I like live more
one with the other people. I think she did not
get enough credit. You know, a couple of years ago
when she was having her run. Obviously there's some storyline
stuff involved with that. But uh, yeah, I know we'll see,
but yeah, I don't think she'll lah be. I think
she's like a world title holder in the off not
the WrestleMania season. So okay, was there anything else w
W we hadn't touched upon.
Speaker 4: Trying to think if there's any other I don't think
so really, Moore More, Jericho's definitely.
Speaker 1: Coming in talk, he's definitely, He's definitely that.
Speaker 3: I will say that that's the only big news that
we have right now.
Speaker 1: Big news, like that's that's the big news.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know we'll wait and see.
Speaker 1: Like I said, we'll get a David Don't on the
next episode for that, so then we move over.
Speaker 2: I still did not watch it.
Speaker 4: Exactly an hour of we can do it an hour
for each exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so for a w WE wrestle dream, I gotta
pull up the card so I can get it in
production once here. I do not see the full uh
FTR match because they I did really enjoy that they
did the whole They were still wrestling on the pre
show when the match started, the pirates going on. Yeah,
so that was good. But from what I saw, it
was good, made sense. They got the win and also
made sense too that they got to win on pay
per view because you're you are trying to build them
up for Edge and Christian rematch at some point.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we had four pre show matches. I didn't
see any of them in the end of that. I know,
Sums you didn't, David, you didn't see any of those either, right.
Speaker 3: I saw the f TR one and I saw the
Willow one. I went back to watch the Willow one
just because I love Willow so I wanted it to.
Speaker 4: The only other thing was the people posting clips of
Meghan Bain and Penel before.
Speaker 1: Yes, the costume, yeah, but yeah, what do you think
of a wrestl dream overall?
Speaker 2: Before we go over some of these one by one.
Speaker 3: Overall, I thought it was fun. It had It's a
couple of matches went a little bit too long for
my liking, which I mean that's come to be expected
from a lot of aw pay per views. The choice
to how they started the pay per view was interesting.
It worked for them, but I never want them to
do it again. Okay, it was fun, you had your moment,
but I don't want them to do anything like that again.
It did make me realize Okay, that's why they released
the cold open four days before the actual pay per view.
Like the cold open of it was up I think
uh Wednesday night or Thursday morning they had it released.
I'm like, wow, that's that's interesting for this big, you know,
brutal match that they've got planned. And oh, that's because
they're gonna go straight into this weirdness with the opening
of the pay per view. So with that said, like
some of the matches were good, I am an overall
fan of most of it. I will probably give it
like a B grade if I had to say that.
There were there's two or three top tier matches, but
most of them were in the in my opinion, the
solid just B B minus range.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I'm like a B plus on it.
Speaker 1: I think because for me, other than two matches on here,
I guess three because I just.
Speaker 2: Don't count the hurts in the kit. But there are
part of the shows all count.
Speaker 1: You gotta count, so that does bring out every other
match for me is like four stars or higher. Everyone
worked really well. I thought it was a really really
good show. There's some unpredictable, some stuff that we kind
of predicted with certain turns, and whatnot. But yeah, overall,
I thought it was a really really good show. I
can't remember what was a god I always forget the
name it was for.
Speaker 2: It was Forbidden Door right the last pair review.
Speaker 5: No, no, it was all not all right, all out right, Okay,
So I think I think this was overall better than
all out I had to look at because I think
they one had a few more matches.
Speaker 2: I was like, I didn't know, and there's one match
on here.
Speaker 1: That particularly really over delivered. I gave one match here
a five starts in my match to your category. I
was very surprised by But I'm gonna stop being surprised
by it because I'll explain why. But as Bob said,
I felt you, I saw your drop kick you. I
feel like this is other than maybe all in the
most aw pair review You've watched a lot of.
Speaker 2: In history, because I think before you you know Cherry Pick.
Speaker 1: But I saw a lot of match rains other than
hurt said it Kit and maybe another one or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely I try to watch most of it.
But then there's a few matches where I just like,
wasn't really paying intent doing something else, because yeah, that
is like my my main issues. Just like a lot
of these were just like really long, yes matches like
back to back, but overall from from what I see
and like, I didn't think it was a good show,
even though I didn't have a few problems with stuff.
But we'll get into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So then we got the you know,
this was a great trass opener. Jamie Hayter my girl
in aw versus Tecla my defense. You know, a person
that I keep going for. But you know what, I again,
I defend her again. This was a really good match.
It's still like just a like a soul to me.
I gave like a three point five, so I didn't
get that four level, but actually I think you got
like a three point five.
Speaker 2: But really solid match.
Speaker 1: I was glad Hater got the win because I legitimately
thought Tecla was gonna get the win here on the
baby Faces. We get the win in war games.
Speaker 2: So that's why I thought, oh no, she's gonna take
the l here.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, we'll see what happens. Also, we'll talk
about the other women's stuff later. I don't know where
Jamie Hayer fits into all of this stuff right now,
other than war games.
Speaker 2: But no, I thought this was a really solid opener.
Speaker 1: Like to me, it's like they opened the like technically,
you know, didn't open peer review, but they opened pay review.
We got three women's matches on here, so this was
nice to see and they all got time.
Speaker 2: I agree with one.
Speaker 1: I suppose critiques later that he'll bring up, but still
all of them are like I think they're all Yeah,
they're all fifteen minutes plus the wins matches. So yeah,
I thought it was a really good match, and I
was very happy Jamie Hater got the win. And uh yeah,
I continue to still be a Teco fan. That cross
body she gave on the outside, God damn man, she's
looking like Ricky the Dragon out there. Geez, she's that's
a five out of five for cross Bodies, five out
of five stars, you know.
Speaker 3: Yes, No, that they had their match was better than
I expected to be. Like, I like Jamie Hater, I
really do. Deca has grown on me in a lot
of ways. I'm still not like, oh my god, I
can't wait to see it is the match, but I'm like, okay,
I'm not opposed to watching a DECLA match, and this match,
I'm like, Okay, the these women are going and they
had some hard hitting moments including Hater countering the spider
pose with the lariats and things like like they were
they were really going at it, and I was like,
all right, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I thought it was a song match. So
I also get it like a like a three point five.
Speaker 1: I liked it, Yeah, yeah, okay, And then we had
the Jurassic Express versus the Young Bucks, which you know,
cause these guys made some great points and so we
ran on the discord because they brought everything. He was like,
you know, I get it now. But it's one of
those things where it is so funny because we talked
about Jack Perry coming back and like he had some
go away heat and how's it gonna work? And even
on that pay re view we talked about so rehashments.
I thought, oh, like if he comes back as Babyface,
is that gonna work? I don't know, and so far I.
Speaker 4: Said it was definitely gonna work. And You're like, no,
the Bucks are too over.
Speaker 1: There, Well yeah, I thought the I thought it was
combo of the Bucks being over which they are now
people are still again starting like they can turn the
Bucks now at any point to be baby faces.
Speaker 2: They're getting pops and cheers.
Speaker 1: I think now when people booth them, it's more like
to play with the show, because like they're laughing, I
have a good time. But I thought because the Bucks
were so popular, and I also thought because of just
like the go away heat that he did have there
for a while, I know it's been working man every
time that theme comes on and get stuck in my head.
And no, just a really really good tag team match.
I couldn't believe that the Drastic Express did not put
any money into the crowd. I was waiting for that,
but no, this was to me even like better than
I thought it was gonna be. I wasn't gonna say,
surprise how much time it got because it is the Bucks.
But again, I like that it's a you got a
tag team match on here that sure it's for money,
but really it's a grudge match, doesn't have to be
for the titles, and it's getting time.
Speaker 2: So I really enjoyed this same thing with Drastic Express.
Speaker 1: They're another act where I'm like, I don't know where
they're gonna go right now, because I feel that the
trajectory is FTR and Edgend Christian for that title.
Speaker 2: So I just don't know where they fit in.
Speaker 1: Maybe the man and these blood and Guts if they
do that, because Tony Kink hasn't said if it's for
sure just women, but yeah, I don't know, so any
thoughts on this match.
Speaker 3: So this was my second favorite match of the evening, Yes,
because I thought that the Young Bucks did Young Bucks sing?
So with the Young Bucks should uh Draassic Express dis
stuff man that the reversal of the Bucks when they
did the flip over and caught him and then just
power bombed Matt and n Nick. I'm like, this is great,
Like I'm loving everything about this. Jack Perry using his
knife to cut the tag rope and then walk over
and place it somewhere else so he could walk.
Speaker 2: Wherever he wanted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like all these little moments, I'm just like, Okay,
they're having a fun match and everything like that. The
postmatch kind of put a little bit that I didn't
like on it with because I'm just more Don Tallas.
I'm just anything with.
Speaker 1: Don kalas Man's much of it.
Speaker 3: But the match itself was, Man, it was so fun,
and the Bucks entrance with showing how much they have
and the ATM flashing how insufficient funds and like everything
about this it was just it was a great funny
start to the match that everyone in the crowd like
trying to like offer them money them even on their entrance,
someone said, hey, young bucks, twenty bucks if you signed this,
and like go over they sign it and then he goes,
all right, where's my twenty bucks?
Speaker 1: Like that's good.
Speaker 3: Just stuff like that, and then the match itself, the
athleticism in the match, some of the spots in the match,
I'm like, all right, this was my second favorite match
of the night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, yeah, the say yeah cool match, Like like
I was saying, disc or like Jack Perry with people
were saying, it's like like the easiest way to turn
him face is if he stops trying to be like
this dark seriously, he just starts doing flips again. And
that's what you did in this match, and it clearly works.
So yeah, I think I think it's working well with
the reunion of the Jurassic Express.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good and same thing like I always thought too,
like Austin like I can't remember, oh, Lucasaurus, like.
Speaker 2: He he can move very well for a big guy too.
He's pretty quick, so there, and I loved.
Speaker 4: It, Like was it like a standing mood saw or
something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, And I've said this before.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about later.
Speaker 1: I love the little Man Big Man team, so we'll
see what happens there in the future with them. Next
we had the Hurts and a get demand. I have
nothing to say here literally dinner. I didn't I listen
to the match, didn't watch it. Their number one continues
for the Trios Championship and David didn't want but sorry,
they're winning those titles on Wednesday, they they will. We'll
tie this together with the Joe and uh Hangman thing
because there'll be a bit more excited talk about them both.
But Joe and Hangman did have their match for me,
very solid, good match. Definitely to me that that perfect,
Like it's a good match, but you know they're you know,
they're saving It feels very much like that first Kevin
Owens Cody match where okay, now when we get full Joe,
he's just gonna go wild. I'm sure there'll be a
step but yeah, after the match classic oh hands up
and then they turn on him, which I found interesting
and I'm not saying dislike her life, but that uh
Shabata and will turn as well. Will. I wasn't surprised,
but I thought Shabata might kind of be like, oh,
I don't know about this, but not he just turned.
And like I said, I don't know when Shabbata has
been a heel last because he was injured for so
long and he's just been with AW so I really
don't know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I really like the Joe and Hangman match.
Speaker 1: Thought. I like the finish of what a way to
you know, maybe I'm not sure if it goes into
S pubs sbubs when you talk about the Cody wrote
with the Storm zero and then the Crossroads. Is it
just that it's it's kicked out right as far as
the week.
Speaker 3: And yeah, okay, good.
Speaker 4: They do it like MultiMate, like like like Tony will
do the Storm zero like three or four times in
a match like outmatch. Now, unless you's just fighting like
the Java of All jobbers.
Speaker 1: Well that's good then because at least Hangman didn't pin
him after all those but he hit him with three
buckshot laryats, which I think was good because it like
puts over Joe was a big tough guy and stuff.
So I thought that was really good. But they did
the heel turn. We kind of exactly expected this finish
was gonna go. I think we thought it was gonna
be more of a like a fluke win for Hangman,
but he did, which I was kind of surprised because yeah,
he's just like Joe, like he just beat you.
Speaker 2: He didn't cheat, he didn't roll up. He's just like
clean pin you.
Speaker 6: So the heel turns like a little week that makes
matter if yes, like if she was saying like, oh,
like you never beat me and then he just beat
him clean, Like yeah.
Speaker 4: That makes him more angry unless you like, I mean.
Speaker 1: So why would Will and Shabbata turn though, And it's
just like you just got beat them?
Speaker 2: You know, yeah they're just his friends. Yeah, sure I'll
do this.
Speaker 1: But then yeah, so they turned them heel on the
second then like okay, so yeah, hurt syndicates winning those
Now it all makes sense of the quick Oh it's
number one contenders match, like it all goes together wise.
Speaker 4: So I looked up for Shevada, Like, you know, there's
a site SmackDown Hotel that has like a bunch of
information on wrestlers, and like every time turn heel and
face oph because the last time he was heal was
from January fourth, two thousand and three to September three,
two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: Jeez, I thought it was maybe like two thousand and
seven and eight because I was not fully watching man.
So it's been twenty one, twenty one to twenty two
years since this man has been a heel. That's a
crazy not like not saying he's gonna go on an
MGF run, but I was just that's what caught me
off guard that Shabata.
Speaker 2: Was heel all of a sudden, you know.
Speaker 1: So, uh yeah, I guess the Hurt SENNI it's go
win the trios and we're gonna get a fucking Hurt
Senegate Trios title match every time at least. Hey, if
you really want those trio titles on pay per view,
you're gonna get him now because Bobby and Crew has
to be on there. But uh yeah, so that was
my thought, like that in Matt Hurts.
Speaker 4: Because people say, like the Hurts syndicate, like they're slowly
pushing them down the card like it started last like
first Hurts in Nick matches, like lastly going over Swerve clean.
Speaker 1: Up a big tel match, and then.
Speaker 4: They went into tag titles and they just lost them
in like that where the New Japan then just attacked
them of ricking. Now they're going Trio's title. They're like
they're like like three months from now, they're going to
be the the r O H six man tag title
Holder's a well, if they're even in the company by then,
I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are your thoughts on all this, David, As
far as hurt syndicate, Joe turned Joe match, everything like that.
Speaker 3: The match was a match. I will the more that
I watched Bobby Lashley, the more I hate his spear now.
Speaker 2: That I have It's like a roll.
Speaker 1: He just he just rolls. It's like a cannibal.
Speaker 3: But he barely touches them as well, Like it's kind
of like, yeah, I get now, almost like a lariat
to the stomach rather than an actual spere.
Speaker 4: I understand it more now, but at the same time,
it makes it worse because the idea is like the
impact of him like like pushing his shoulder and so
hard is like that's like the tackle. But then the
reason it's worse now is because on that on the
spear that bron Breaker did to car Leado where he
ran all the way down the ramp. He flipped, but
like the real version of what Lastly Fake's doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, serious is so hard that.
Speaker 4: It like turned him to the side. But Lastly just
does that like by himself.
Speaker 1: To me, they look so light yeah him, and have
a spear off to see which one's worse.
Speaker 3: Does the role no matter where he's doing the spear from.
So it made sense for Broun because Broun was running
full speed. He's watching himself.
Speaker 4: Do it from like a foot away and do like
the yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's so every time I watch the Spear, I
hate it more and more, and I'm kind of starting
to agree with I didn't think i'd say this. In
the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five, I'm kind
of starting to I agree with the Undertaker that a
lot of people should just put the spear away for
a little bit because Braun Superkick, so.
Speaker 1: Well you should be oh, well, yeah, because Bron But
just like as far as people using it, it's like
these movies are so overused, like there's they're they're not
special anymore until like at least Braun makes it special.
Speaker 4: But this kick now is just like say, it's like
on the lind Of like.
Speaker 1: A chop, or it's when the transition move.
Speaker 3: Now when the Bucks do it, though, it's fine because
it's meant to be that they're making fun of the
fact that it's overused. The whole superkick party thing was
the we're over using it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before every wrestler on Green Earth was starting.
Speaker 2: To do that.
Speaker 3: But for the people who are seriously like tuning up
the band, here's my tribute to Shaun Michaels. I'm gonna
give you a super kick. This is gonna end it.
I'm sorry, Doff Ziggler or Nick Nammath, You're not winning
off of a super kick. Stop it, like, just give
it up. And some of these others who are still
like hitting that super kick and looking for it, it's not happening.
So the yeah, the match was the match. I am
not looking forward to the hurt Syndicates Trios run now.
Who knows they could They could get the titles and
then they could very well go on to better themselves,
maybe having them away from the demand, having them away
from beating up Ricochet every week. We'll do something better
to elevate them. But right now, I'm tired of this,
and my fear is they're gonna win the Trios Champions
and then they're gonna circle back and be right back
in with the demand all over again.
Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance you get this match
one more time in the future.
Speaker 2: I don't know when, but like I I've.
Speaker 3: Already had it seven times in the last monk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, uh yeah.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on this situation s bubs the match.
Speaker 4: I did like the Joe and Hangman match, even though
there was a few like weird mistakes, like like people
crucified uh you know Mars on NXT for missing that
moon salt, but she at least like souldans like, oh
I missed hang Man just like straight completely missed Joe
and then Joe like bumped for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah and I forgot Yeah, you remind me the discord Joe,
I think to me, I had to be Joe completely
fucked up the first moon salt all to the outside
because the that spot of he was supposed.
Speaker 2: To moon salt.
Speaker 1: Joe moves out the way and then Hangman hits him
that was supposed to happen first, and the spot later when.
Speaker 4: He's Yeah, because Hangman went up Joe like moved out
of the way because what happens I could seecause Joe
went for the turnbuckle attack, which was to set up that.
Speaker 1: But you could sell like, oh man, I did that,
like I did the wrong moon Salt spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there. I agree that there was a couple
of times it was hanging. Lars went what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: And like I think it was that pretty.
Speaker 4: Funny because it like it worked on the like sort
of like the Joe like walks away from stuff, like
just like it is like didn't even let him go
for it. But yeah, now thinking about him where I
was like, okay, definitely like like miss timed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, let's go. Let's get to the ladies here.
We had Chris Statlander versus Tony Storm. Really liked this match.
I was kind of surprised. I thought they're gonna go
more sexual with it, and they really didn't.
Speaker 2: They did a little bit of the beginning.
Speaker 1: But what I liked is Statlander had multiple things that
either I don't know or just haven't seen that much,
or I just like that they're using them.
Speaker 2: I really liked that pin.
Speaker 1: That she beat Tony with the whole like wrapping her
arm around the leg and it's like this weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the seatbelt. I like that.
Speaker 1: When she did the first Vader bomb off the rope
and then that didn't work, so then she did a
four fifty one. I was like, geez, and I can't remember.
Oh the storm the storm zero counter.
Speaker 2: That was great.
Speaker 1: Because I thought she actually got hit and the way
she just pounce out of it. So to me, Statlander
was kind of the star of this match, to be honest,
and Tony put her over clean. Now we know why,
but put her over clean when like there's no drama, no,
nothing like that. But no, I thought this was a
really good match. Now do I think it was? It
did end up being my match in the night, but
I don't know where it it. It might be my second.
I actually did really enjoy this one quite a bit.
I thought their styles went on. I agree, you know,
I suppose you'll probably bring out all throwning you next
that could I could have given this more time, So
I gave this one still just a four, but I
still enjoyed it quite a bit. But yeah, maybe it
didn't end up being the match night like I thought,
so I could agree.
Speaker 2: There's some more. But yeah, I suppos what were your
thoughts on this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had this one like a three point seven
five because yeah, waiting sort of like to go into
like that last year I'd say, But I did think
it was still a good a good match that honestly
liked these two a lot. But yeah, I felt like
it could have been like bigger, Like this was sort
of like, I don't know, I sort of expected to
honestly go a longer like I was saying, but I
don't know. It just it was missing something for me.
I don't know exactly what it was though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave, I will agree that it felt that it
was just short of something special. It was kind of
slow and not always in a good way. There were
sometimes there was like methodically slow, and there's other times
I just felt like, Okay, let's pick up the pace
just a little bit for.
Speaker 4: These two ladies.
Speaker 3: Now, I will say, Tony Storm screaming you'll have to
f and kill me, uh, just amazing. I love everything
about her, from her entrance to the entrance for Statlander
everything else. It was just like, Okay, they had fun.
I'm happy that Statlander won and will continue, you know,
defending this title. I think that that was the right cause.
Plus you know it plays into what happened later. The
greatest tag team to come in professional wrestling history got
to form because of this. So I am it was
a good match. I just can't give it higher than
like a B minus. It was, it was cool, it
just it wasn't there and it just felt slower at
times than it should have been.
Speaker 1: And then right after that we had like literally raf
that Monette came out because they announced it was gonna
be some sort of segment, so it's gonna be an
open challenge.
Speaker 2: She throws Chris out of there, just did and get
the hell out of my ring, which to tie it
to the end.
Speaker 1: I was very happy at the end, Statlander came back
and embarrassed her beat up for a second there because
I when she told her to get the ring and
stant Leander just left, It's like, that's baby face one
on one. You don't you don't do that like that.
You just look like an idiot then, right, And I.
Speaker 4: Get scared because the thing was it was an open
challenge for any any champion and their title. I was
a getting scared. You know, she's about to.
Speaker 1: Take standing when she said get the hell of the ring.
I thought Stantlander was going to turn around say no,
this is my ring. I'll challenge you, and Monette was
gonna win it right there. I thought it was over,
which still could happen, which you know, we'll talk about
a second. But uh yeah, I was not like like
overly excited with.
Speaker 4: Mina Shakur people on Twitter about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. I was not enthused.
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing I forget because I think their
best match is still that. It's not Wrestle Kingdom. What's
the night After?
Speaker 2: They call it now wrestled.
Speaker 1: Dynasty and aw has a dynasty per review, they got together.
Speaker 2: They should have worked that together.
Speaker 1: But like that to me is still the best one
they've had some like because they did this and then
in the bill up to Tony and Money, they did
like a big match on Dynamite. It was like a
second Maine or something like that, and then they did this.
So they've had they've run this three times now in
a year. And the good thing is once this match
and I was like, right, these girls, like or women,
they do have really good chemistry together. So by the
end I was locked in and into it. But the
problem was we knew which way it was going. It
felt very random. It does make sense now as far
as we even said for multiple reasons, Money is probably
winning a title tonight in England. So it's like, well
they just wanted to like get or Doningland's somewhere, but
like Tony won the big Ultimo Dragon moment on his show,
and then also after this, we got Tony Amina getting
right together for their tag team, which I don't I
don't think anyone's thinking they're gonna they're at least getting
in the finals, but like I think they're gonna win
it one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Tony can be the first tag.
Speaker 4: Team I've written down a potential because they showed the
bracket is four brackets, so i'd be eight teams. I
have seven teams written down of potential people who are
probably in this tournament.
Speaker 1: Okay, and it's supposed to be it's supposed to be
eighteen bracket.
Speaker 4: Like they showed the thing where it's like they said
on Dynamite, the bracket's going to be announcement in the background
in the image you would see you saw like the
tournament bracket was four brackets.
Speaker 2: Okay, what are the teams you got, then we'll go there.
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm predicting are probably going to be in this,
and I only got seven, but I think the eighth
will probably be like a team from like Stardom or
CMLL or something like that. Yeah. The teams I've got
are Athena and Billy Starks, Yeah, Willow and Harley Cameron.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think Jamie Hayter and either Alex Winsor or on
any I.
Speaker 1: Think the Pope press or they talked about that, and
I think Jamie Hayter was kind of alluding that.
Speaker 2: That would make sense.
Speaker 1: Why Al'm and I just like, I know she's been
feuding with Tecla, but it felt so around with Jamie
one and I'm gonna just popped up like good job,
like out.
Speaker 2: Of nowhere, just like her friend. But yeah, I believe that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Then Meghan Bain and Penelpe Yeah, of course. Yeah, Julia
Hard and Sky Blue, yep, TJ Tony Storm and Mina Yeah.
And then that's seven and eight I think will be
a team from Stardom or CMOO or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then or if they have some other aw women that
aren't around doing anything right now, right, But no, I
agree all those other people are in there, but yeah, yeah, no,
like unless to me, it's like Dakota Kai and somebody, right,
because we talked about before and the discord work has
gone some gear.
Speaker 4: Made like the former Caden Carter.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah you could do that. So but yeah,
what were your thoughts on? Uh mean, I.
Speaker 4: Hear I honestly, I really really like this smatch, I'll say,
I say, I maybe even liked it more than than
Tony and Statland. I really liked this on a lot,
And like you were saying, like, yeah, like you weren't
that into it because like you thought there was no chance. Honestly,
by the end, I was. I was believing they were
making me believe that that Mina was gonna do it.
But but she the you know, in hindsight, I thought,
obviously this is where Mercedes is winning the eleventh title.
But honestly, near the end of that, that's why I said,
I wish there was five more minutes because the near
falls near the end were really getting me, especially I
forget there was some some move that Mina got up.
It was like, did she get like a rope break
on like the mo name maker or something like a
big it's a big near fall that I was like, oh,
like she might actually she might actually win it here,
but I really enjoyed snatch. I'd probably give it. I mean,
on drop kick, I gave it like a three point
cent five, but if I could get like, I don't know,
three point eight five just to say, I like slightly
more than than the other one. But I thought this
was really fun mentionally. And yeah, like you said, I
think the match they had on Dynamite was was okay.
I think because that one was like one that she
was like definitely definitely not winning because it was the
one like right before all in yeah, and yeah, the
the Wrestle Dynasty match, I remember that one also being good.
And that one also Mercedes won like two titles off
of her in the Wrestle Dynasty.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, she keeps taking titles from this woman. My god,
you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but yeah, I enjoyed it, even though yeah,
people were mad it was Mina. That was just Mina.
But but I like Mena I've been close to again,
and there's a there's a Mina sure on aw shop.
I'm I'm circling on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and before I throw the David what is
the because we seem like whether it's a dynamite or
maybe full gear, that money and Statland is happening. What
was that theory you were teasing in the opening of
the show that people are saying, why this is happening
now because I have not seen Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is like from one from like one
of the accounts. It's like one of the biggest like
Mercedes fans. But his theory pretty much was like other
than like like the reason this TVs title reign is
going so long and like she lost the world title
shot is like they don't want to put the world
title on her unless they're one hundred percent sure she's
resigning because the contract is supposedly up, like it would
be pretty much like January first. Let's say like twenty
twenty seven, so full next year and then VF because
they wouldn't want like another like Mariah situation. That's the
theory from the Mercedes fans that they're they're not giving
her the world title yet unless they're one hundred percent
sure she's resigning.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was like twenty twenty six, I could buy them,
but twenty twenty seven's like what's gonna haveter she wins
the world title for like three to four months and
drops to somebody, you know, it's not gonna affect anything really,
but you.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, that's the supposed theory, which I mean I
could see. I guess like Tony sort of thinking like, yeah,
not Storm, but I would tell no.
Speaker 1: I would tell Tony just like, don't worry about you
want Strapper, Just Strapper.
Speaker 4: For Stalander at full gear.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I can't say one hundred
percent because stat Leander finally can beat her. But I
do agree with some people that like, Okay, the next
time Money goes for the world title, she she's gotta
wait it because then it just kind of feels, you know,
which which there. I guess there's a story there, like
she's kind of cursed anytime she goes for that title
she can't win it.
Speaker 2: But I do think if I had to predict, yeah,
i'd say stant.
Speaker 4: Lander would yeah Stlanders and beat yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I like the match. I thought it was
better than I expect you to be. I thought at
first we were going to get a swerve. When Statlander
started to walk away, I thought when Mercedes was like,
all right, who's going to be my challenger. They were
going to hit Statlander's music and she was going to
turn around and walk back to the ring. I thought
that would have just been hilarious as like a because
I didn't feel right with the babyface just yeah getting
out the ring. She told you to get out, You
just got out. I did wonder if maybe they would
pull out because IWGP just had a new women's champion
crown less than a week ago, if maybe they would
do something with that. I wasn't thinking Mina, but it
makes sense. You don't want your IWGP champ women's champion
to lose almost immediately. But you could have done something
where Rio or somebody else who Mercedes has had issues
with runs in and the match ends without a championship
being changing hands. But it was a cool, fun match. Yeah,
that that near fall, that finger out to the rope
thing like, those were fun moments. I think it did
from a wrestling standpoint and a story selling a storytelling standpoint.
I do think it did slightly better than the Tony
Starr match because facial expressions were just crazy, like you
could tell she was determined that she was getting another championship,
and Mina the way that she emotes is fun as well.
I think it's the right call because again what we
set up later it was just it was a fun match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we speaking of a fun match.
Speaker 1: This match I teased five Stars bro Dido versus Don
Cow's Family, which is O caught and takesha. I will
take back what I said last week as I this
isn't need to be They should be on Dynamite. We
know the story they did do the whole oh they're
gonna break up and fight everything like that. They only
did a few times match, but the way they paced it,
and for me it's the last like seven minutes' match,
crazy spot after crazy spot. I know we've seen the
multiple German suplex thing, but the way they did it here,
the way Bendy almost didn't like it, almost added to
it looked more dangerous. I just there are so many
good spots in this win. Takeshta new Japan Pro Wrestling
IWGP TA keshta champion. When he barrel roll slammed Brodie King,
I could not believe that he picked up this dude,
even though caught at one point he did like that
put it on.
Speaker 4: The thing about that is like, I'm pretty sure, he
already did it on Dynamite like last week.
Speaker 1: Oh then I missed it. That's an incredible feet of strength.
And even O caught it too. He did like the
I can't remember what he calls the movie. When he
holds something, he does like hits her knee over the head.
It's like these these guys super strong for guys that
aren't like super jacked or anything. That just shows, like,
you know, HiT's strong style. Literally, but no, this match, man.
I said this before Brodo versus Bucks on Dynamite a
few I think it's like last month was incredible and
this was incredible again. I know they're probably gonna lose
the FTR soon, but I really don't want that. I'd
rather now just edgend Christian FTR be another grudge match
with something. I'm loving the Brodio run. That crowd was
on fire, eyes on fire. I never thought that actually,
I think, like you were saying in the mean thing,
there's like a moment I actually thought they were gonna win.
I can't remember what the sequence was, but there was
a near falling like it is over and I love
the Occada rain maker and he hitched a cash to
the second hit him.
Speaker 2: Just smile.
Speaker 1: Not this like the she's like, oh I'm sorry, like
not any of this. It's just like he was laughing.
And that wasn't the direct end of the match too.
Went on for a couple more minutes. But I loved
everything about this match in a match that I thought
was I wasn't gonna love and actually was the longest
match of the night too, a suny.
Speaker 4: Like like rewatch, because the start of it, I was like,
pretty tune now, and then by the end when they
started like really going into him, like, oh, this match
is actually like Ocada is actually working out there.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was working.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was moving, he was taking like dive bumps
and everything like that. I couldn't believe it. So and
we got him versus Bandido on Wednesday. But yeah, this
match was incredible. I gave I gave this a five
star just on a technical enjoyment.
Speaker 4: Loved.
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be my match here, but it's
gonna be in that category. And I love Brodido. Man.
They for a team that I didn't care a Bandil's
just had a good year overall. But yeah, David, what
do you think about this one?
Speaker 3: I thought this was a fun match, especially the ending.
Like you said, like they they turned it on at
the end, and I was like, oh wow, they this
is everything that I've been seeing out of Brodie Kingham Bandido,
like the Brodido Tech team has just been fun. It's
been way more fun than I ever assumed it's gonna
Be's lasted longer than I expected it to, and they've
been putting on some good matches. And now to get
the fallout of this coming out Wednesday with Bandido and
like yes please and then seeing Tiquestaa as IWGP champions
something that we've been talking about probably for about a
year now. This is happening. This is happening. Let's give
us some time. This is happening. Yeah, everything about this.
It was a good match, hard hitting match, and as
much as I don't like almost any and everything to
do with the don Kallis family, these two I absolutely love.
Like if you could just take them out of all
of that and just put their little uh frenemy situation
outside of all that, then yeah, no, I'm here for it.
Speaker 4: I guess something that we can talk about since we
certain mentioned like we were talking about maybe it's Takeshta
and Okada at Wrestler Kingdom. We can also tie this
sort of into the the whole rumors of Knakamura and
tana Hashi, which made me think, like because because people
have been saying like, oh, maybe like Tanahashi's retirement could
main event, but then what if it's like would you
have like let's say, like for the sake like Knockimore
isn't like a W guy, but like it'd be like,
would you have tana Hashi and a guy made an
event over like two a W guys? If if one
of them has the new Japan title, I think.
Speaker 1: So yeah, just because it's ton of just because it's
uh yeah, a ton of hashy, Like that's the only
reason why it's like the scene a thing, I think.
Speaker 3: And if they do two nights like they have been
doing for a while, then Tanahashi needs to main event
whichever night is on the fourth. So if they do
the fourth and the fifth, he needs to do whatever
night is on the fourth, because the fourth has always
been traditionally the day before they switched it to the
two day event, it was the fourth, So if he's
going to main event when it needs to be on
the night of the fourth, give him that respect. I
think he's earned it, and I think, yeah, you could
easily close out that, And I think that that would
be more meaningful to the crowd than seeing Takesh and
Okada as much as they love those As much as
Okada took over for Tanahashi as the new ace of
New Japan Pro Wrestling, it's still Tanahashi's. He's still so
beloved there. And then to have Knakamora come back. You
saw the reception that he got when he went to
Noah and when he went to other places within Japan.
He's got that in his contract where he can work
those Japanese dates. So yeah, let that happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if it's too nice too, because because
last year Zach Sayer Junior defended on both nights, I
could see like Takeshta versus someone like on the fourth,
and then you do him versus Okada's me on the
on the fifth.
Speaker 1: That's I think too, because Wressell Dynasty's almost there forbidden
door right where it's like we got a w on.
Speaker 4: There announced to Wrestle Dynasty. Yeah, that's true, but I
don't remember when they announced it last year either, I mean,
I feel like it must have been enough they're wanted
to sell tickets for unless they're not doing it this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they're not, then I think that it's like
the second main event, like I think Tomash she goes
on last. If they are doing it, then yeah, I
think and especially because that next night is the more
forbidden door, like a it's like a semi crossover show,
you know, So I think.
Speaker 2: That I think that's the method there.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that because I just don't know
who that's what you're from New Japan fans that for
dakesh right now doesn't look like there's like a huge
like that would main event.
Speaker 2: Wrestled, don't right they were or the with o'conna that
could be.
Speaker 1: It's just like a little weird, but at the same time,
its history there makes it make sense. So or you know,
you can always give him, you know, the King John
Moxley at least start. What do you what are your
thoughts on him versus derby the match?
Speaker 4: This match, Like I was, I was pretty disappointed by it,
to be honest, Like I felt like there's a lot
of stuff like sort of missing from I don't know,
it felt like this had all been building up obviously,
like this was the match, like we've been saying it
like for the like even the casket match. It's like, oh,
like they're just saving it for the last match. But
I feel like I don't know it did. It just
didn't really hit for me, Like they didn't do the
fire even though the whole build Yeah they built the fire.
No blood. I felt like it was mostly just like
it was just like Moxley would like do something to Derby.
Then they would like finish your spam. Then like the
death Riders just like came in and like beat him up.
They did the stuff with the water, but like obnesotly,
like no moves are being done through this. It's just
like this like a like death Rider cinema.
Speaker 1: Here I did. I did think he was gonna paradigm
shift him on the glass. I'm glad they didn't, but
I thought his.
Speaker 2: Darby so crazy. I thought it was coming and it didn't.
Speaker 4: But this thing shows up, you know, it hits them
with the bat and stuff. Yeah, and then you know,
MASSI just just quits to the sharpshooter. I felt like
it was like the Oestly was like the big like
story conclusion, but as a match, I felt like like
not much really happened in the actual match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you on the finish with it,
Like I get the symbolism with it being the yeah
scorpion death lock and everything like that, and yeah, at
first I thought they were gonna go really crazy when
they were doing the skewers to the nails and other
stuff and even the waters like okay and I plug
the water.
Speaker 4: It's like that they couldn't like like bleed because of
like the commission and stuff. But in that case, like
don't you should have done this this match on on
all out instead?
Speaker 2: Like I agree, Oh, I'll bring that up after him.
Speaker 4: And no fire to like really that was my biggest discipline,
like no fire like they did the lightning fluid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I don't know how they didn't do fire.
Speaker 4: It ended up just being like I have at like
a like a three out of five, Like it was
just like an all right, cause like I said, it's
not much. It's like rating like the like the John
Cna Fiend like Firefly fun House match, like there was
like like they didn't they didn't really wrestle at all
in this match, was was my opinion of it.
Speaker 3: Darby Allen reminds me of a Marvel superhero in the
fact that where the hell is everyone when this big
fight is going on? Like, oh yeah, that is much
like for Darby to b so beloved? Where the hell
is everyone with these big fights are going on? And
that just reminds me like when it comes to Marvel,
like New York is burning where they're fantastic for where
are all these other people who live here?
Speaker 1: Like That's the thing.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Sting, Grandpa Sting is the now. Granted I'm
a Sting fan for five straight years, I painted my
face and went as Sting for Halloween, like I am
a Sting guy through and through. I have no apologies.
Whether it was white paint, red paint, or multi colored paint,
I was Sting.
Speaker 4: So like.
Speaker 3: Sting was my guy. So I get that. But Grandpa
Sting is the only person to help you, and I thought, maybe, okay,
Daniel Brian's not on commentary, and the reason he's not
on commentary is because he's gonna do a running later
and they didn't want to make it weird with him
leaving the commentary table. Like cool, I got that Nope,
no one wants to help this man. He's you couldn't
even get like the anti climatic. The crowd doesn't care
thing in the sky like, you know, to go back
to your point earlier as Bubbs who has the worst charisma.
It's probably hooked because no one reacts to that stupid
light in the sky.
Speaker 2: With the show three minute matches.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so that was my thing. The match itself,
it was fine. The spots are fine. I do hate
the bamboo skewer spot. Even though they didn't go as
far out as I thought that they would.
Speaker 4: I don't think they poked as hard.
Speaker 3: Ye Saint Louis said no, but and in this instance
I'm glad that they did because I'm not really a
fan of that spot.
Speaker 1: But other than that, yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Was a match. The the going out in the water
at the end, Okay, that was fun, sting breaking the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, restling the wall. It made me bring those like
I want that WCW when they go to a show
in like the pool and the rings, they're like, I
want someone to do that, Like it was cool that
I'm just fighting and water hendden up so like next
Jericho Cruise.
Speaker 4: Yeah that they did do a dynamite on Jerco cruise.
You know, maybe next year we're getting raw from them
from the Jerk.
Speaker 2: No, that'll be n XTS buffs. You know they're gonna
they'll be break hundred percent. Jericho's getting that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, I share your guys send him about magic.
I I enjoyed, I think, like I think I enjoyed
it as a finale, But at the same time, it
didn't have that big even the like I said, the
death walk, it's like that's it, Like it's just I
did like that they teased because he threw them over
the ropes with the flakes. They kind of touched upon
the Hangman ending, but like I said, it's like, well
we've seen Moxley quit twice now, like don't run this again,
like it like and he quit, like the Hangman won.
That was more to me devastating than this was, like
it was a cool visual. I maybe they should have
like really played up the glass or even Mosley could,
like because if they could have played up like he
had him in a.
Speaker 2: Deathlock and his stomach is against the glass.
Speaker 1: But I don't think if that's.
Speaker 4: Just broken and then like it like swept it away
with the vat pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they should have still fakely like when the
second Monks got turned over, he should have been like
none like that. They just didn't if that was the effect,
they didn't play it up well enough. But uh yeah,
I hope this is it.
Speaker 4: If it was something like if he had him in
the in the death block but somehow like he was
like pushing his head like into the water, I think.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, something like that. Yeah, there's but it just
was had the flag and stuff. But yeah, I hope
this is it, and.
Speaker 1: I hope this now just builds towards more inner turmoil
with the Death Riders. And then let's get Garcia built up,
because Garcia shouldn't just be a guy running on the
apron and.
Speaker 2: Getting mace in the face. I hope that's the idea.
Speaker 1: Now that case beat Darby, and now the idea is,
let's build up Daniel Garcia. I hope was not just
a moment a swerve or swerve that should be the
next story is Moxley and Garcia.
Speaker 4: Darby still eventually gets the title.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think like before the man
dies he'll win the title.
Speaker 4: We still have like the MJF like contract is still Yeah, honestly,
he can't like money in the banquet anymore, he has
to announce it. But still I feel like maybe Darby.
I feel like if MJF like ends up winning it
or something or some he'll ends up winning. I could
see Darby winning off that person.
Speaker 1: It should be MGF, especially because twice MGF is beating
up with a head overtake down, roll up. It's always
been like a belt shot or like a nutshot, but
he always does it. Then he rolls up to make
it seem like he beat him really easily. So to me,
that is a guy, even to me, which is a
dumb role if toys guy. I don't want to put
the title if for some reason he knows that MGF
is leaving in twenty twenty six, twenty seven, still have
MGF have the title for like a little bit and
Darby Like that is the story there of Darby beating
him for the title. So I think Darby, yeah, will
eventually win it, even if it's like Mick Foley where
he had it for like two weeks and was out, Like,
Darby will definitely win it just was the better story
to go.
Speaker 4: With thinking about it. How like, like I said the score. Look,
this was like this was literally like the match they
would have had for the title, like especially with its
thing showing up, like it makes sense of the story.
But like if this was like if this was gonna
be there, like like you know, like WrestleMania forty ending
and stuff.
Speaker 2: Like that, the end game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I guess the original plan like it
would have been. I guess like mocks like retaining over
Osprey at all in and then like Darby winning it
here would have been the original plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, not not not the case.
Speaker 2: Don't do that. That would have been disastrous. And then
yeah he did mention that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot because we're talking about this stuff Britsco
and Fletcher, which I think the reason I almost forgot
because we're also on different tangents.
Speaker 2: But good match.
Speaker 1: I gave like a four if I liked it. I
think they have good chemistry. I just now think these
guys need to stay away from each other for a
little bit. And same thing I need Kyle to have,
like a program I need to have not just like
challenge or challenge because like that thing I agree with
him where he's like on the press con he wants
to try to, you know, be better than everyone.
Speaker 2: That's hell this title. He wants to be the best champion.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is like even like Cody had both
where he had the he had the open challenges, but
he also had the stories. Fletcher needs that and not
the Brisko. Like they've had four matches.
Speaker 4: You know, it felt like they were gonna do him
versus Kenny because he writes Kenny, Yeah, then Kenny, and
then Kenny just came back and or what he was
on the show.
Speaker 1: What what did he run in the end the Jurassic
Express Bucks he made the save. Yeah, to me, that's
the story right there, is like the rumor was it
was gonna be Kenny and Coda versus Josh, Alexander and
uh Henna Sarah right yeah, which again just Kenny stuck
in these tag teams and you know that's fine, but like,
to me, that is a story.
Speaker 2: If you can get Kenny and Kyle for a couple
of months, like the same thing.
Speaker 1: Don't have Kenny wrestle at all, have him cut promos,
have him do stuff and let his body at healed
up and then then at full gear do the match.
They don't even have to touch. Kenny can be a
good talker in Japan. He was one of the best
ones in aw North America. It's very fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2: It depends. Don't let them have the mic.
Speaker 1: When it's like, hey, you got thirty seconds, they goodbye,
good Like Kenny can be good given the right material.
Speaker 2: So I hope they do that. But that's what Kyle
needs is a real story here, you know. But you know,
I thought it was a solid match. Yeah, I totically gifted.
Speaker 1: It was a good match.
Speaker 3: I felt like it went a little bit too long
at times, and that's probably because I feel like we've
seen these guys go back and forth so much now,
it's like I didn't need this much of a match
for them. To your point, I hope that they move
on and move into different directions, like Kyle continue to
do some stuff, making stuff look strong, continue to do so,
because dude is freaking phenomenal and I love I love
watching him. This was just my second least favorite match,
and that's only because I'm just kind of like, all right, cool,
just like the hurt syndicated stuff. We've seen this so
many times, Like how many more times can I see
these guys go back and forth. How many more times
can I see the standard Mark Brisco match? I like
Mark Brisco, but this was a standard Mark Brisco match
and Kyle got to get his shine in. But it
was the standard Mark Brisco match. And I'm like, all right,
it didn't do anything for me. It was a good match.
Probably could have cut off about five minutes of it
and might have been fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did feel like overall, just like this show.
Like I'll say, I'm all for everyone getting their time,
but it did feel like, I don't know, just like
the format of it. Like like I said, it was
just like long match after long match after long match,
Like I feel like they could have just like reordered them.
I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I could see that.
Speaker 1: Or again, this didn't have to be on the pay
per view, right, like just like I get it th time,
but just because it's been done a bunch, you could
have spread out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there were a few here that I was like,
exactly need to be on the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there you go.
Speaker 2: We've done that.
Speaker 1: We did some fantasy booking, we did the Wrestle Dream one,
and then yeah, we'll see what happens next. We'll take
a local'll try figure out, we'll do a Survivor series
review very likely, and then and then I know in
December obviously we'll be doing the one day after Johnsena's
last match, but the other November December ones, we'll we'll
figure out, but we'll definitely do one.
Speaker 2: Before Survivor series so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we'll do some drops everything else.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, An, that's your episode of the gimmick.
We'll be back next month with the bi weekly ones
or whenever we'll figure that out. Will be a GMO
also in there at some point too.
Speaker 2: I promise you I'll not be worring.
Speaker 3: Bye bye