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<v Speaker 1>Hey, lovely people.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim, a.

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<v Speaker 2>True crime podcast morning. The following podcast material audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Listeners, Hey, hey, hey, what's up? How exciting?

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<v Speaker 2>Hello? Happy spring?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes it's oh my god, the snow's melting. Thank god.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like first day of spring doesn't mean much

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<v Speaker 2>for people that live a little bit up north because

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<v Speaker 2>we're not quite there.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I mean I only really, like personally, only really

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<v Speaker 3>recognize spring when I see the first Robin's that's the

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<v Speaker 3>start of spring for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And generally the snow is off the ground when.

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<v Speaker 3>They're out right, yeah, usually because they're on your front

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<v Speaker 3>lawn sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And we probably have at least like a foot and

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<v Speaker 2>a half.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah about that. Yeah, so we got a waste to go.

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<v Speaker 2>So you people that are listening that don't have any snow.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, I want to say a lot of bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll just leave it at that. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>anything nice to say.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we're jealous. Let's just say that.

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<v Speaker 2>So jealous. But I was even going to say even

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<v Speaker 2>like downtown though, because we live I don't know where

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<v Speaker 2>in our city, Prince George, we live in the Heart

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<v Speaker 2>and like downtown has wait is almost done with their

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<v Speaker 2>snowe oh yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the Heart, like it's the northern part of the city,

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<v Speaker 3>and we have like way more elevation, so we generally

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<v Speaker 3>are like two weeks behind downtowns Yeah, so it's just

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<v Speaker 3>that much more winter and we get that much more

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<v Speaker 3>snow at the beginning of the year because it snows

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<v Speaker 3>first like two three weeks before Downtown.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just but it's dope living up here.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. It's cool. Okay, what we're gonna say, I

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<v Speaker 3>was gonna to say that it's we're still a ways

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<v Speaker 3>off from this launching, but I started working on our

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<v Speaker 3>website the other day. Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So we've got the domain name, we've got everything

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<v Speaker 3>set up. It's just a matter of getting the website

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<v Speaker 3>built and out there so we can you know, launch

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<v Speaker 3>had episodes out there, a little bit about us, or

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<v Speaker 3>if we're going to be doing any giveaways or announcements,

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<v Speaker 3>it can all be there. And of course our Instagram too.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you get I don't even know what domain name you.

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<v Speaker 3>Got, wicked ingram dot com Okay, sweet, Yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 3>got to figure out how to link the website in

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<v Speaker 3>that domain. But yeah, I got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, look at us.

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<v Speaker 3>Go, we're hitting the big time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're being productive here, productivity.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a website that means you made it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty much, totally actually, And it's cool speaking of

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<v Speaker 2>website because my my case has a bit to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the internet. So look at that.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at your sage boom, let's hear it. That was

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<v Speaker 3>so your How does your case have to do with

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<v Speaker 3>the inner webs?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's the Dexter Killer, you.

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<v Speaker 3>See, like mimicking the show or what?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, just you wait, I'm going to dive in here.

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<v Speaker 2>The event took place in Edmond and Alberta and is

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<v Speaker 2>the tale of two men each trying to reinvent themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>crossing paths on the Internet with the most horrifying of results.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The murder in this case is Mark Twitchell. Twitchell, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's how you say his last name. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nine year old man, or he was twenty nine

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<v Speaker 2>at the time of the murder, obsessed with comic books,

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<v Speaker 2>star wars, making low budget movies, and Dexter.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so are you describing me so far?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, right? Okay, because he's actually was. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even put that in there, but he was into like

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<v Speaker 2>cosplay too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're you're literally describing me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Are You're not into making low budget movies? Oh

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<v Speaker 2>I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm literally exporting a documentary on my laptop as

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<v Speaker 3>we're speaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Oh gosh, well this is

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<v Speaker 2>definitely not you. So he's a film school graduate with

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<v Speaker 2>a small following among sci fi fans when he directed

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<v Speaker 2>a fan film prequel prequel for the Star Wars franchise,

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<v Speaker 2>with a short cameo from Jeremy Bullock. Oh way, you

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<v Speaker 2>know who that is? Oh? I do? Who is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Bubba Fett?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I had that in brackets because I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to remember who that is. He's since passed,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, right, Jeremy Bullock, I felt like it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what she said.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't If he did pass it was just

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<v Speaker 3>just this year. I'm trying to think now I got

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<v Speaker 3>a Google.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Okay, I don't know. Hopefully hopefully he is. And

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't just pretend like he was, but I, like.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, if he passed away, it was this year,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's so much shit going on this past twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he's did he pass away?

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<v Speaker 2>We're searching it, we're researching it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah he did.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Icember seventeenth, twenty Okay, so that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not even that long ago.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Well back to Mark. Mark was married with an

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<v Speaker 2>infant daughter and living in a ooh, living in his

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<v Speaker 2>small home in the suburbs of Edmonton.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so this isn't too far from us.

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<v Speaker 2>No, So I'm using a tablet just to let people know.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just like automatically zoomed in and I had

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<v Speaker 2>to zoom out, and so yeah, smooth. I know Ben's

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<v Speaker 2>making me try to be all like it worked.

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<v Speaker 3>For me last time. It was awesome, and I just

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<v Speaker 3>I recommend it. Tablet's dope.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Mark was accused of getting his inspiration from the

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<v Speaker 2>TV show Dexter. I love me some Dexter.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so he is kind of a copycat killer.

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<v Speaker 2>Sort of thing. Yeah, so Dexter Morgan, for anyone out

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<v Speaker 2>there that doesn't know, is the main character. Well, the

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<v Speaker 2>show's on Netflix. He very much so lives a double life.

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<v Speaker 2>He works as a forensic technician, I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>blood stained pattern analysis.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he did like blood splatter patterns and all that

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<v Speaker 3>sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for the Miami Metro Police Department by day, but

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<v Speaker 2>by night he was off being a serial killer killing

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<v Speaker 2>other murderers.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a dope show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's eight seasons, so it's like a bit of a commitment.

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<v Speaker 2>But I am like literally obsessed with Dexter. I should

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<v Speaker 2>watch it again. It's surprisingly I've only watched it one.

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<v Speaker 3>We should watch it again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so good. So though he may have got some

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<v Speaker 2>inspiration room Dexter, in my opinion, he was no Dexter Morgan,

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<v Speaker 2>not at all.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not even close. He wishes, he wishes. He's just

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<v Speaker 3>some weenie out in Edmonton.

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<v Speaker 2>In September of two thousand and eight, Mark decided to

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<v Speaker 2>take his filmmaking a different direction and began buying items

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<v Speaker 2>off the internet. The items that he purchased were such

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<v Speaker 2>as a meat cleaver, handcuffs, steel barrel, stun baton. He

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<v Speaker 2>made visits to Canadian Tire and Home Deeple to buy

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<v Speaker 2>numerous rolls of duct tape, plastic gloves, gloves and drop cloths,

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<v Speaker 2>and he rented a garage for one hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 2>a month in a quiet neighborhood in Edmonton's suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's a very big list concerning a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of very dark, concerning items. However, if you're just into

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<v Speaker 3>BDSM and you have a safe word, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not that bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, just.

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<v Speaker 3>Say pineapple and you're good, right, pineapple is the safe word.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. In late September, he shot a short crime film

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<v Speaker 2>film called House of Cards. Instead rented garage with some

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<v Speaker 2>filmmaking buddies. Okay, so the script that he wrote was

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<v Speaker 2>about a killer who lures a cheating man off an

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<v Speaker 2>online dating website, tortures him to reveal his pass codes,

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<v Speaker 2>and then hacks him into little bits.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, yeah, so the book? Did they actually hack

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<v Speaker 3>someone into little bits? Was it like a real thing? Though?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you just wait for me to like.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting a little head on't I? Okay? I think

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<v Speaker 3>I think I might have just had a little prediction.

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<v Speaker 2>The buddies helped Mark with special effects, sets and props.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark had asked them to make a sturdy wood table

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<v Speaker 2>with a metal finish and a metal chair that could

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<v Speaker 2>be bolted to the floor of the garage. If only

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<v Speaker 2>that was all the equipment and rented garage were used for,

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<v Speaker 2>but that would not be very exciting podcast if that

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<v Speaker 2>was all it was used for.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course.

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<v Speaker 2>On October third, two thousand and eight, Mark decided to

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<v Speaker 2>turn the script into a reality. He poses a woman

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<v Speaker 2>named Sheena on an internet dating site and successfully lured

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<v Speaker 2>a man to his garage. This man was named Jill's. Yeah, Jill's.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't pronounce his last name.

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<v Speaker 3>Names suck sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Are really hard tech, wrote, I think it is. But

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<v Speaker 2>where we're going to refer to him as Jills Jills.

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<v Speaker 2>He followed some So Jill's followed some crazy ass directions

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<v Speaker 2>that were provided by Shina, which I'm going to read

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<v Speaker 2>them to you because, like, I don't know, maybe I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just different, but I would never have been like.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd have been like a mout Kibetshena is the alias

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<v Speaker 3>for this killing.

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<v Speaker 2>Shina is actually Mark Okay, Yeah, good old Mark Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So here are the directions. They're a little bit long,

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<v Speaker 2>so you just have to listen. If you're coming from

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<v Speaker 2>the north on Groat, get on Calgary Trail when you

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<v Speaker 2>get to the south side, stop dropping things all right

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<v Speaker 2>when you get to the south side and jump on

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<v Speaker 2>white met white mud. Then go south on fiftieth Street,

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<v Speaker 2>take it right on fortieth AB and after a block

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<v Speaker 2>or two, take the very first right into the alley.

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<v Speaker 2>It's marked by a yellow crosswalk sign, so pay attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Then go left, pull into the only driveway on the

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<v Speaker 2>left that isn't paved. Lol. Seriously, whoever heard of a

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<v Speaker 2>driveway that looks like the Amazon? Whatever? It won't swallow

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<v Speaker 2>your car. I promise there's some garbage up against the fence,

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<v Speaker 2>like an old couch and such, but it might be

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<v Speaker 2>gone by Friday. Who knows. Like I said, the groa

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<v Speaker 2>will be open for you just to touch. Don't worry

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<v Speaker 2>about neighbors thinking you're a burglar. Everyone knows there's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>valuable in there except my car, of course.

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<v Speaker 3>See you then, Ghina, what whatever happened to an address?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>What's up? I live on one two eight Fake Streets?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it didn't want to give, like Mark didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to give the address. But I'm just like, if someone's

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<v Speaker 2>directing me to like a sketch garage with like apparently

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<v Speaker 2>a driveway that's like the Amazon, with like an old

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<v Speaker 2>couch and garbage and shit like that, and it's just

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<v Speaker 3>Although, like there's a lot of people out there who

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<v Speaker 3>on Tinder and stuff. So this guy's thinking I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>Well maybe that's a doe thing, but just like there

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<v Speaker 2>is just like no way, like no way. So when

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<v Speaker 2>Jill's arrives, he bends down under the partially raised door

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<v Speaker 2>as directed and enters the darkened garage, Like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>is there not such things as like true crime podcasts

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<v Speaker 2>and like true crime back then?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently not, because like there's oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, he just he was just confident he's gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. There's no reason for this.

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<v Speaker 3>No, there's no excuse. Don't go into shady garages people.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, okay, I mean I might not get asked,

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<v Speaker 2>whole way. I don't know why that would make it

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<v Speaker 2>partially open garage door, that's yeah, no, okay, I'm moving on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm moving on. Basically. As soon as he entered, he

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<v Speaker 2>him with the stun baton. When he turned around to

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<v Speaker 2>hockey mask and realized this was no date. Mark took

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<v Speaker 2>out a gun and ordered Jill's to the ground, placing

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<v Speaker 2>duct tape on his eyes. Jill's on the ground decided

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<v Speaker 2>he's not going to die, or if he's going to die,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd rather go out his own way. Yeah, fair enough,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, good for you, men, let's do this. He

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<v Speaker 2>got up, ripped the tape from his eyes, grabbed Mark's gun,

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<v Speaker 2>only to discover that it was just a plastic gun.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a violent struggle, but Jill's was able to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of the garage, collapsing into the back alley.

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<v Speaker 2>He actually collapsed in front of a couple who was

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<v Speaker 2>out walking and asked them for help, but the couple walking,

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<v Speaker 2>so the couple walked away, fearing that he was part

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<v Speaker 3>Oh what.

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<v Speaker 2>They did later report the incident to the police, but

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<v Speaker 2>not until they got home. However, Jill's was still able

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<v Speaker 2>to get away, and this is the real kicker though,

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<v Speaker 2>is Jills did not report this to the police. What

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<v Speaker 2>because he was embarrassed, And I was like, oh no, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, Okay, besides just being embarrassed, I think he

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<v Speaker 2>was also like scared because he wasn't or if it

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<v Speaker 2>was a I don't know the word, but like a

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<v Speaker 2>planned attack for him, and then if this guy would

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<v Speaker 2>like keep looking for him or whatever. But yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't report this.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fucked up. Okay, if something happens to you and

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<v Speaker 3>you have the ability to potentially stop it happen happening

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<v Speaker 3>to someone else, fucking take that leap and make sure

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<v Speaker 3>you don't help this killer hurt someone else or this

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<v Speaker 3>person assault anyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Because okay, and I was gonna say targeted attack. Even

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<v Speaker 2>if it was a targeted attack on him, like you

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<v Speaker 2>should still get the police involved, Like either way.

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<v Speaker 3>They need to be involved, no kidding, either he's going

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I know I didn't. I just didn't love that.

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<v Speaker 2>That really frustrated me.

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<v Speaker 3>It should never be embarrassing for the victim because it's

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<v Speaker 3>never the victim's fault. It's it's you can hold like

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<v Speaker 3>even the whole like me too, movement and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>There's people out there being all like, oh, well you

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<v Speaker 3>were dressed in slutty clothing. Blah, Well you shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>worrying that you were asking for that. Fuck that. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not the victim's fault, and.

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<v Speaker 2>No it isn't. It isn't. I mean he was going

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<v Speaker 2>there expecting to just have a day trade.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So after about a week on October tenth, Mark does

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<v Speaker 2>it again. Of course, he successively lures a second man

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<v Speaker 2>to the garage, and this time the victim did not

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<v Speaker 2>get away. Oh fuck, I know. His name was John

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Atlinger. He went by Johnny, so I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>calling him Johnny. He was a thirty eight year old male,

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<v Speaker 2>tall with wispy hair and glasses. He had a warm

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<v Speaker 2>grin and gentle eyes. His friends and family would describe

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<v Speaker 2>him as quiet, affectionate, and a giving man. His life

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<v Speaker 2>had its ups and downs, but he seemed to have

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<v Speaker 2>found a good path or good place. But in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight, he owned a tidy bachelor pad which

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<v Speaker 2>was a short distance to where he worked night shift

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<v Speaker 2>as an oil field equipment manufacturer, sorry at an oil

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<v Speaker 2>field equipment manufacturing.

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<v Speaker 3>Business typical for Albert.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. Johnny had many interests, but computers in the

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<v Speaker 2>online world was definitely one of them. The Internet gave

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny away to meet people, and he ended up making

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<v Speaker 2>some really good friends all right on.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean the internet has opened the world for possibilities,

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<v Speaker 3>for connections all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 3>I've made really good friends on the internet, So.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, weird there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's ansom to be so careful too, Like I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>a cautious person, So I don't know. I mean, grant you,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess over Instagram and stuff I've made. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>can acquaintances and stuff. So that's pretty much the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Or with your photography, people are booking you lots

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<v Speaker 3>that way. Yeah, just over the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you show up with the shoot. Okay, if I

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<v Speaker 2>ever show up a shoot and I have to go

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<v Speaker 2>under a partially open garage door, it's not happening, people.

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<v Speaker 3>No, stay out of the garage. Yeah, just come up.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna do a boudoir session in the garage. Just

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<v Speaker 3>crawl under the darkened door that is half broken and

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<v Speaker 3>only a foot like off the ground. Yeah, crawl under there.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way on October tenth, Johnny thought he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to connect with someone new. At this point, he

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<v Speaker 2>was seriously looking for a woman to spend the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of his life with. However, the woman he thought was

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<v Speaker 2>named Jen was in fact not a woman at all,

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<v Speaker 2>but Mark.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, of course Mark's an asshole.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I don't like Mark. We don't like him. Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>who must have learned from his experience with Jill, was

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<v Speaker 2>able to fulfill his fantasy to turn his House of

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<v Speaker 2>Cards script into a reality. Thankfully, Johnny had informed his

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<v Speaker 2>friends of his plans that evening, because following his disappearance,

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<v Speaker 2>they were crucial in speeding the case so long. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good point. I'm going to dive into that

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more. So that's some good news. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the Friday before Thanksgiving and Johnny had called his friend

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<v Speaker 2>Dale Smith to say he'd met a woman or woman

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<v Speaker 2>through an Internet dating site, but the woman refused to

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<v Speaker 2>provide Johnny with an address, rather gave him directions to

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<v Speaker 2>a back alley garage. Dale obviously thought these directions were

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<v Speaker 2>sketch af and he told Johnny to give him a

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<v Speaker 2>call when he got there and to give him the

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<v Speaker 2>address before he went into the place. Dale, having known

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny since Alelementary School and spoke to him almost daily,

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<v Speaker 2>said that he was that his good natured friend sounded

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<v Speaker 2>lighthearted on the phone. That night. He told him the

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<v Speaker 2>woman wasn't there at the garage, but instead he met

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<v Speaker 2>a man. Johnny said it was an odd encounter. The

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<v Speaker 2>woman or the man in the garage said he was

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<v Speaker 2>making a movie and showed him a replica handgun. Dale

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<v Speaker 2>figured the date was over and that his friend would

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<v Speaker 2>go home.

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<v Speaker 3>M hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>But less than an hour and a half later, Dale

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<v Speaker 2>received an email from Johnny saying she's so now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>heading over again. Dale thinks that was the last time

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<v Speaker 2>he had ant real contact with Johnny.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I see where this is going, do you? I

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<v Speaker 3>think I do. Anyways, there's gonna be like some emails

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<v Speaker 3>or contact back and forth where he's actually talking to

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<v Speaker 3>Mark clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, which I actually think that Dexter might have

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<v Speaker 2>done that in the shows.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure it's been so long.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to watch it again. So Dale tried to

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<v Speaker 2>reach Johnny throughout the weekend, as they did have plans

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<v Speaker 2>to meet up on Sunday, but he heard nothing from

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<v Speaker 2>his friend. He finally received an email from him on Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>along with some other friends, saying, I've met an extraordinary

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<v Speaker 2>woman named Jen who has offered to take me on

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<v Speaker 2>a nice long tropical vacation. Will be staying in her

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<v Speaker 2>winter home in Costa Rica. Phone number to follow, see

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<v Speaker 2>you around the holidays.

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<v Speaker 3>Johnny, Wow, that's slightly suspicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a super random email.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey yeah, Right after He's contacted his friend saying yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that data was supposed to go on, yet it turned

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<v Speaker 3>out to be a dude in a shady garage with

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<v Speaker 3>a replica handgun.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, this email didn't sound right to Johnny's friends. He

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<v Speaker 2>apparently hated the heat and never signed off his emails

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<v Speaker 2>with his name, but rather with a joke. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's so fun. I want to start signing my emails

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<v Speaker 2>off with a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>Just dad jokes all the time, Growing more.

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<v Speaker 2>And more concerned by the day. The following Friday, so

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<v Speaker 2>October seventeenth, Dale and a few of the of his

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<v Speaker 2>other friends drove to Johnny's apartment and broke in through

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<v Speaker 2>a window. What they found there was Johnny's passport, luggage,

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<v Speaker 2>and an apartment that did not look like the resident

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<v Speaker 2>just took off for an extended tropical vacation figures right, Yeah, exactly. Apparently.

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<v Speaker 2>An email also went to Johnny's boss with a resignation

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<v Speaker 2>letter saying he had found a new path. The boss

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<v Speaker 2>asked where to send his last check, but never heard

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<v Speaker 2>anything back, and it was like, I didn't have this

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<v Speaker 2>in the notes, but it was reported that he was

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<v Speaker 2>owed like fifteen hundred bucks. So I'm dang pretty sure

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be oled fifteen hundred bucks. You're going to answer

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<v Speaker 2>that email?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what's his information? We could send him banks

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<v Speaker 3>then he could just you know, oh, deposit it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben. At that point, Johnny was reported missing to the police,

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<v Speaker 2>and because his friends knew of his last whareboats, the

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<v Speaker 2>police were led right to Mark.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like that's like a little a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of just like goodness of this story, Like, yeah, there's.

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit of like precautions that they took. It

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<v Speaker 3>didn't save them, but at least made sure that Mark

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<v Speaker 3>was captured, yeah, or identified.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I just love that they were looking out

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<v Speaker 2>for each other, really, is what I feel like. When

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<v Speaker 2>Mark was initially questioned, he was not suspicious to the police.

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<v Speaker 2>He was quite cooperative and actually wouldn't shut up. He

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<v Speaker 2>made it seem as though the garage had many things

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<v Speaker 2>out of place that he was unknown, that was unknown

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<v Speaker 2>to him, like almost like someone had been using it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, without him knowing. It wasn't until he told

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<v Speaker 2>them he had bought a red Mazda off a stranger

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<v Speaker 2>for forty bucks and it was parked at a friend's

428
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<v Speaker 2>house that they felt they might have their guy. That

429
00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:07.720
<v Speaker 2>red Nazda just so happened to be Johnny's and something

430
00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.920
<v Speaker 2>the police were looking for the police. Oh, sorry, we're

431
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<v Speaker 2>going to say something.

432
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<v Speaker 3>Why would he have told them that he has Johnny's car? Like,

433
00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:17.799
<v Speaker 3>why would he have said that?

434
00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:24.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh? There was a reasoning why he said that. I think, well,

435
00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:26.960
<v Speaker 2>because it was at his friend's house and the police

436
00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.200
<v Speaker 2>were like also contacting the friends and stuff.

437
00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:31.359
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so it was going to be found.

438
00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:34.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I think, yeah, this was okay. This was

439
00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.000
<v Speaker 2>even after he was questioned in person. He sent an

440
00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:40.039
<v Speaker 2>email I think saying this. I'm just like, I don't

441
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<v Speaker 2>know he I mean, he knows that he was going

442
00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.039
<v Speaker 2>to get caught. I think he was just he was

443
00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:47.359
<v Speaker 2>he was being smart about it.

444
00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:49.680
<v Speaker 3>I guess he was trying to cover his tracks, but

445
00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:52.119
<v Speaker 3>he knew he was pretty much backed into a corner. Yeah,

446
00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:52.599
<v Speaker 3>I gotcha.

447
00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:57.680
<v Speaker 2>The police then confiscated Mark's car, which contained a laptop.

448
00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:02.920
<v Speaker 2>A laptop in the drunk On that laptop was a

449
00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:07.079
<v Speaker 2>document that had been previously deleted, but they recovered it

450
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<v Speaker 2>and it was titled s K Confessions, which stood for

451
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<v Speaker 2>serial killer Confessions.

452
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<v Speaker 3>Oh, oh my god, is he really that fucking dumb?

453
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<v Speaker 2>It began with the passage The story is based on

454
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<v Speaker 2>true events. The names and events were altered slightly to

455
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<v Speaker 2>protect the guilty. This is the story of my progression

456
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<v Speaker 2>into becoming a serial killer. It detailed every moment of

457
00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the victim's slaughter, from the plan to use the dating

458
00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:38.920
<v Speaker 2>site to lure them in to the glee taken in

459
00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:42.839
<v Speaker 2>carefully dismembering the body. It was a forty two page

460
00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:46.920
<v Speaker 2>document and had other passages such as I grabbed his

461
00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.839
<v Speaker 2>jaw with my gloved hand and moved it while making

462
00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:52.240
<v Speaker 2>a funny noise to make it look like it was talking,

463
00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.160
<v Speaker 2>and chuckled to mindself the stillness of it all.

464
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, first of all, how dumb do you have to

465
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<v Speaker 3>be to make the write down any.

466
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<v Speaker 2>Sort of I know confession Like see Okay, I warned

467
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:06.279
<v Speaker 2>you as at the beginning, he is not a dexter.

468
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:09.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and second of all, how fucking pretentious are you

469
00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:14.079
<v Speaker 3>to write your own basically biography of this sort of

470
00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:16.200
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that? Like, what the fuck is going through

471
00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:17.440
<v Speaker 3>this guy's head? What a tool?

472
00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:22.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Like, well, here, I'll just finish this one section.

473
00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:26.720
<v Speaker 2>He talked about cutting open the torso of the victim

474
00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:32.000
<v Speaker 2>and watching the organ slowly collapse. Mark wrote down everything

475
00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:35.359
<v Speaker 2>in that diary, but claimed to the police that it

476
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:38.720
<v Speaker 2>was only fiction. Of course, So he's like a filmmaker

477
00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:40.799
<v Speaker 2>and he's just saying, oh, this is just like my

478
00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:43.400
<v Speaker 2>next story or whatever, and it's not real.

479
00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:45.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I doubt that.

480
00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:50.759
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until October thirty first that Mark was actually arrested,

481
00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.640
<v Speaker 2>after police got word that Johnny's blood was found in

482
00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:58.319
<v Speaker 2>the trunk of his car. Got him, They got him.

483
00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:01.759
<v Speaker 2>The lead investigator of the case believe Johnny is actually

484
00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:04.799
<v Speaker 2>a hero. By him communicating to his friends and letting

485
00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:07.559
<v Speaker 2>them know of his whereabouts, he saved this from happening

486
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:12.319
<v Speaker 2>to anyone else. Mark could have remained under raider for

487
00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:14.960
<v Speaker 2>much longer if someone didn't know of Johnny's whereaboats.

488
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that on him.

489
00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we kind of already touched on that, but that

490
00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:24.319
<v Speaker 2>the investigators recognized it. They had told that to Johnny's mom,

491
00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:28.319
<v Speaker 2>so I'm like, oh, the police were armed with evidence.

492
00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:32.720
<v Speaker 2>It was noted most homicide files take up two or

493
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:36.400
<v Speaker 2>three three inch binders of evidence and notes and such,

494
00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:41.559
<v Speaker 2>but they had twenty one binders on.

495
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.079
<v Speaker 3>Mark, Mark marking my boy, you fucked dude.

496
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So like they just had like freaking evidence coming

497
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.000
<v Speaker 2>out of the phraw. It's believed Johnny was hit over

498
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.680
<v Speaker 2>the head with the pipe shortly after entering the darkened garage,

499
00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.839
<v Speaker 2>stabbed to death, and then dismembered on the table inside

500
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<v Speaker 2>the garage. His body was then partially burned in a

501
00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:06.920
<v Speaker 2>barrel and dumped down a sewer in an alley located

502
00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:10.400
<v Speaker 2>close to Mark's parents' house. The remains in that sewer

503
00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:13.519
<v Speaker 2>weren't actually not found until two years later, after Mark

504
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:17.680
<v Speaker 2>had finally disclosed their location, so the family like didn't

505
00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:21.599
<v Speaker 2>have closure for quite some time. Really freaking jerk, no kidding.

506
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Blood was apparently everywhere, according to evidence, And I'm going

507
00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:28.519
<v Speaker 2>to paint a little bit of a picture here for you,

508
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<v Speaker 2>So I do apologize ahead of time.

509
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<v Speaker 3>I just want to say, you might want to think

510
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:33.839
<v Speaker 3>your choice the words. I don't know if you did

511
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:36.319
<v Speaker 3>it on purpose. Blood was everywhere. I'm gonna paint a

512
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<v Speaker 3>picture like wow.

513
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:43.640
<v Speaker 2>All right you okay, No, I didn't mean that. Oh gosh.

514
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.759
<v Speaker 3>Ah sorry.

515
00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Blood stained the cement of the kill room seeped into

516
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:55.079
<v Speaker 2>the teeth and joints of the knives and saws and

517
00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:59.799
<v Speaker 2>other butcher tools that were used to dismember Johnny reports

518
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:03.200
<v Speaker 2>a heavy duty carving kit was used normally used by

519
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:05.920
<v Speaker 2>hunters to chop up like moose and gear and stuff.

520
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.519
<v Speaker 2>Kind of like, honestly, just like reading this and when

521
00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:11.359
<v Speaker 2>I was doing my research, like I kind of lots

522
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:14.039
<v Speaker 2>of times, my stomach was just like not feeling quite great.

523
00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:16.119
<v Speaker 3>But well, I mean it sounds like this guy was

524
00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:17.400
<v Speaker 3>going through some fucking shit.

525
00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:22.519
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, blood was on the makeshift metal table of

526
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:27.039
<v Speaker 2>his alleged kill room, which is just gross because he

527
00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:29.440
<v Speaker 2>had gotten his crew members from the House of Cards

528
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:31.960
<v Speaker 2>film to make that, right, so they had no idea

529
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:33.319
<v Speaker 2>what they were like actually making.

530
00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:35.200
<v Speaker 3>They've literally made a butcher table for him.

531
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, blood saturated the end of a copper pipe mark

532
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:43.240
<v Speaker 2>used to club Johnny blood was on Mark's pants, stitching

533
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:48.000
<v Speaker 2>of hoodie, car, computer, keyboard, hockey masks, cleaning supplies. Blood

534
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:50.039
<v Speaker 2>was even found on Mark's shoe and belt he was

535
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:52.599
<v Speaker 2>wearing at the time he was rested three weeks after

536
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:53.200
<v Speaker 2>the murder.

537
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:55.839
<v Speaker 3>So he did not clean shit.

538
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have it in here SEEO dexter sloppy sloppy slough.

539
00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:02.039
<v Speaker 3>No kidding, Decks does not leave anything behind.

540
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:04.599
<v Speaker 2>No, like, because I know he did the whole like

541
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:07.319
<v Speaker 2>plastic thing and stuff, but like clearly did a shit job.

542
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.559
<v Speaker 3>No kidding now because he's like this amateur filmmaker dude

543
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.400
<v Speaker 3>or whatever. Did he? Was there any video evidence of

544
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:17.640
<v Speaker 3>this found because he probably recorded.

545
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Some, not that I actually researched. I don't think he

546
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:23.079
<v Speaker 2>videoed it. No, I don't think he videoed it, not

547
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:23.920
<v Speaker 2>from anything I.

548
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Saw, because wasn't the entire purpose of him doing this

549
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:29.599
<v Speaker 3>was to fulfill his horror.

550
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.640
<v Speaker 2>They had whatever, they had filmed a film, and he

551
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.000
<v Speaker 2>was just his fantasy was like to replicate that, oh,

552
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.720
<v Speaker 2>to replicate it, oh like in real life. But I

553
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:41.720
<v Speaker 2>don't think he wasn't like filming it to put him

554
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:42.119
<v Speaker 2>out there.

555
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:44.119
<v Speaker 3>Okay. I thought he was like, I want to make

556
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:46.160
<v Speaker 3>the best horror film ever, and I'm going to do

557
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:48.519
<v Speaker 3>it like legit and okay.

558
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.200
<v Speaker 2>No, I think, and I think I touched on it later.

559
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>But he just had a fantasy of like actually killing someone.

560
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.279
<v Speaker 3>He's a fucking tool, that's what he is.

561
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.440
<v Speaker 2>And at this point they were the police were obviously

562
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.559
<v Speaker 2>convinced that the deleted document on Mark's laptop is a

563
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:07.119
<v Speaker 2>true account of Johnny's murder, because remember he said that

564
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:13.160
<v Speaker 2>it was. Yeah, the document had also mentioned another victim, Jill's,

565
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:16.359
<v Speaker 2>who had mentioned earlier. This is the point where Jills

566
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:19.720
<v Speaker 2>does come forward. The police put out a picture of

567
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the mask they believe Mark was wearing during the attacks

568
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.119
<v Speaker 2>in hopes to find the victim, and then at this

569
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.200
<v Speaker 2>point Jill's come forward and he was there to be

570
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.680
<v Speaker 2>able to testify against Mark in court. So he did,

571
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:34.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, he came forward, which I think is great, Yeah.

572
00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:36.680
<v Speaker 3>One hundred percent, But if he only came forward a

573
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:37.440
<v Speaker 3>little sooner, he.

574
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:45.039
<v Speaker 2>No, if he came forward right away, yeah, yeah. It's

575
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.400
<v Speaker 2>believed Mark's motive was purely for the experience of killing

576
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>another person and to make a more authentic serial killer movie,

577
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:54.960
<v Speaker 2>so it was almost like research for him. Then, really,

578
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>I think. Mark was found a first degree murder and

579
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>sent to life in prison with no chance of parole

580
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:04.400
<v Speaker 2>for twenty five years.

581
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:05.720
<v Speaker 3>You should get more than that.

582
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I know he should never get out. Really, I didn't

583
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>want to touch too much on the trial because I

584
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.519
<v Speaker 2>feel like it's kind of obvious that the right decision

585
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.359
<v Speaker 2>was made, but I did want to give an idea

586
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.359
<v Speaker 2>of the closing arguments of the trial. He's a bit wild.

587
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:25.279
<v Speaker 2>The crown said Mark is a man who had an

588
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:30.079
<v Speaker 2>elaborate plan to kill a stranger, while the defense said

589
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Mark was involved in an altercation that spun out of control.

590
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:38.920
<v Speaker 2>And to touch on this, Mark had admitted he posed

591
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:41.359
<v Speaker 2>as a woman on the internet to lure Johnny to

592
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the garage, but it was only a hoax for a

593
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:48.319
<v Speaker 2>movie project. Mark said Johnny became enraged when he learned

594
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.960
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't meeting a date and attacked him with a pipe,

595
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 2>causing Mark to stab Johnny in self defense. But that pipe,

596
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that the pipe had Johnny's blood on it.

597
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:02.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say, But there's

598
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:04.559
<v Speaker 3>no evidence of that. The evidence is the pipe was

599
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:06.160
<v Speaker 3>beaten Johnny over the head.

600
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:09.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just like, I don't know I mean, yeah,

601
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:11.559
<v Speaker 2>lawyers and stuff are great, but I just couldn't imagine

602
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.359
<v Speaker 2>like the defense lawyer, Like I couldn't imagine being a

603
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>lawyer and defend someone like this.

604
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:20.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can't. It's it's got to be a slimy

605
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.440
<v Speaker 3>kind of person to be able to do that for someone.

606
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Or they're just literally doing it for making money, right, Well.

607
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they they disconnect themselves from what's actually going on.

608
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:31.039
<v Speaker 3>They're just Okay, this is my job. I got to

609
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:31.920
<v Speaker 3>do it, and they do.

610
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:35.440
<v Speaker 2>It because twenty one pages of evidence or twenty one

611
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:37.799
<v Speaker 2>binders not pages bindersers.

612
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.759
<v Speaker 3>Man, I could not do that job. I could not

613
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.359
<v Speaker 3>defend someone that. I'd be like, I'm defending you, okay,

614
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.039
<v Speaker 3>and I get into court. He's fucking guilty. He confessed.

615
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:49.920
<v Speaker 3>I heard him in the back room. Here's a recording.

616
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 3>Send him to jail.

617
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that would be your only lawyer your

618
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.559
<v Speaker 2>case because he done worth of it.

619
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:00.680
<v Speaker 3>Sent someone to jail deserves it.

620
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:04.359
<v Speaker 2>This is really interesting too. So since Mark's been in prison,

621
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.400
<v Speaker 2>it's been reported that he purchased a TV and has

622
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.839
<v Speaker 2>caught up on every Dexter episode since he was arrested.

623
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm like that show should be banned from him.

624
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:14.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no kidding.

625
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 2>The author who played Dexter, Michael C. Hall, was interviewed

626
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:21.240
<v Speaker 2>at one point about the case, stating that he didn't

627
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:25.319
<v Speaker 2>think Dexter supported the lifestyle of killers. He said, I

628
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:29.160
<v Speaker 2>would hope that people's appreciation was more than some sort

629
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:33.559
<v Speaker 2>of fetishization with the kill scenes. I wouldn't stop making

630
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Dexter because someone was fascinated by it. Only in that way.

631
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I try to tell myself their fixated nature would have

632
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:44.359
<v Speaker 2>done it one way or the other. But it seems

633
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.039
<v Speaker 2>that Dexter had something to do with it. It's horrifying.

634
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is horrifying. Well, Dexter's whole thing, though, is

635
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:54.799
<v Speaker 3>he has this like almost monster living in him that

636
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 3>like has this insatiable need to kill. And so what

637
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 3>he does is he uses that when he does have

638
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:05.880
<v Speaker 3>to feed it, he kills those who are killing others.

639
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.680
<v Speaker 3>So he's trying to use it for good, almost like

640
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:12.039
<v Speaker 3>a superhero in a way. Yeah, where he's trying to

641
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.160
<v Speaker 3>take out murderers and that's all he does. Where this

642
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.920
<v Speaker 3>guy just prayed on an innocent fucking person that is

643
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:18.559
<v Speaker 3>not Dexter.

644
00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Remember in the House of Cards film, thing that it

645
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.039
<v Speaker 2>was like someone who was cheating on their wife, but

646
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:26.279
<v Speaker 2>then he didn't actually go out and get someone that

647
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.799
<v Speaker 2>was bad, Like Johnny seems like he's amazing well.

648
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.440
<v Speaker 3>And cheating on on someone. I mean, yeah, that's a

649
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.519
<v Speaker 3>bad fucking thing. Don't fucking do that. That doesn't mean

650
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:37.039
<v Speaker 3>you should get fucking murdered. No, I mean you should

651
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.839
<v Speaker 3>be fucking divorced and left single and that person you

652
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.799
<v Speaker 3>cheated on should move on to better things.

653
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:46.759
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, because Dexter, like the people were really bad. Yeah,

654
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.640
<v Speaker 2>I actually think it's coming back to me. I feel

655
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:52.119
<v Speaker 2>like it was his dad or his stepdad or something

656
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.480
<v Speaker 2>that had known Dexter had this dark side and they

657
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:59.119
<v Speaker 2>had Yeah, they had made this like packed or whatever

658
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.240
<v Speaker 2>that every you're needing to fulfill your fantasy. It's like

659
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:04.039
<v Speaker 2>a bad person. I need to watch the show.

660
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:06.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there was something about how he taught them to

661
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Speaker 3>use it as an outlet and like, yeah, if you

662
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:10.200
<v Speaker 3>got to do it, like do it to someone who

663
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:13.359
<v Speaker 3>deserves it exactly to do good in the long run.

664
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:17.160
<v Speaker 2>This is also ugh, I feel like.

665
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.359
<v Speaker 3>Dexter would have killed this dude. Lastly, Dexter would have

666
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:22.400
<v Speaker 3>killed this fucker.

667
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:26.119
<v Speaker 2>He totally would have one hundred percent. This other thing. Oh,

668
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:29.599
<v Speaker 2>I just hate I hate this too. Apparently Mark has

669
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:33.599
<v Speaker 2>a profile online on Canadian Inmates Connect and I had

670
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.079
<v Speaker 2>never heard of this. So this is a site that

671
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:40.400
<v Speaker 2>helps prisoners find pen pals on the outside. It's thirty

672
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:44.000
<v Speaker 2>five dollars for a yearly profile. Inmates don't have access

673
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.880
<v Speaker 2>to the Internet or email, so they mail in their application.

674
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:52.160
<v Speaker 2>The woman who runs the site said she hasn't refused

675
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>anyone and that every Canadian inmate deserves the right to

676
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.200
<v Speaker 2>connect with the outside world, regardless of their crime. She says,

677
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>their crime should define them. They're in prison and that's

678
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:06.079
<v Speaker 2>their punishment. They've lost their freedom, so why continue to

679
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:08.000
<v Speaker 2>keep punishing them?

680
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:10.920
<v Speaker 3>But that is giving them a little more freedom though, And.

681
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well I understand people totally fine, but not him,

682
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Like he used a profile like that to kill someone. Yeah, Like,

683
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think everyone should should be okay with this'.

684
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 3>That's a there's two sides to that coin. I mean,

685
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.800
<v Speaker 3>she is right, they like some people could take advantage

686
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.239
<v Speaker 3>of that, and and sorry not take advantage, but they

687
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:32.960
<v Speaker 3>could use that in a good way and maybe might

688
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:34.800
<v Speaker 3>help rehabilitate that Oh yeah.

689
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>There was stories where it was it was helpful for some.

690
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.400
<v Speaker 3>But there are other cases where it's like, yeah, he's

691
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:43.679
<v Speaker 3>done this exact thing in the past, take advantage of

692
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:47.280
<v Speaker 3>it and used it to kill someone like man, his

693
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:49.599
<v Speaker 3>freedom has been taken away. He shouldn't have the freedom

694
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:50.599
<v Speaker 3>to do that.

695
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:51.280
<v Speaker 2>I know.

696
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.400
<v Speaker 3>I think something like that should go through an application process,

697
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:57.440
<v Speaker 3>like you said, but she shouldn't just be accepting everyone.

698
00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.559
<v Speaker 2>And that's some I think some people should totally be.

699
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:05.159
<v Speaker 2>And it was also said that what did it say

700
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.119
<v Speaker 2>that there's a clause on there? Because if something from

701
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 2>this goes bad, like what say, if Mark like meets

702
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.480
<v Speaker 2>someone and then gets out or whatever and then kills them, Like,

703
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:15.360
<v Speaker 2>that's not on her.

704
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.440
<v Speaker 3>If you have to have a clause like that, maybe

705
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:24.280
<v Speaker 3>you should look at your fucking program and prevent that

706
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:25.719
<v Speaker 3>thing from happening in the first place.

707
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:28.719
<v Speaker 2>I know, fuck, I have it on here. I was

708
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:33.199
<v Speaker 2>going to say, Mark's what Mark's profile says. I'm looking

709
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:38.280
<v Speaker 2>for an interesting, intelligent, open minding, open minded, delightfully imperfect

710
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>woman to relate to and share amusing observations with, as

711
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.199
<v Speaker 2>well as potentially a long weekend every few months if

712
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:51.400
<v Speaker 2>it gets there. Naturally. Also on his profile is his

713
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.079
<v Speaker 2>expected release date of twenty twenty seven, which is actually

714
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:56.559
<v Speaker 2>not that far away.

715
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 3>He needs to rot for the rest of his life.

716
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:00.960
<v Speaker 2>But then I think that I don't know from other

717
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>stuff I've read, like he's doing good in prison, so he's,

718
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.639
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, like that's only six years away.

719
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, do you want to do you want to create

720
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:11.639
<v Speaker 3>a profile on catfish? As fucker?

721
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:15.760
<v Speaker 2>I know, I even when I was like, when I'm

722
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:21.360
<v Speaker 2>presenting this, people might be like, I need a doctor him. Okay,

723
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.920
<v Speaker 2>So this is just basically the last part and I

724
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.400
<v Speaker 2>literally hate everything about this, but I'm going to say

725
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 2>it anyway, all laid on us. Though none of Mark's

726
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 2>films were ever released good. He went on to star

727
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:38.360
<v Speaker 2>on International News, a Datelight and Dateline NBC episode, and

728
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:40.840
<v Speaker 2>a book for what he did to Johnny, which is

729
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.400
<v Speaker 2>just kind of disgusting when you think about it. His

730
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.639
<v Speaker 2>dream was to make blockbuster films, but he became the

731
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.079
<v Speaker 2>star of his show and became famous. Anyway.

732
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the thing is, I mean, even us talking about

733
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:56.519
<v Speaker 3>him now is kind of giving him that that satisfaction,

734
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:59.599
<v Speaker 3>which kind of hurts. Is why we try and try

735
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:03.239
<v Speaker 3>and tell the perspective of the victim more so than anything. Yeah,

736
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:07.199
<v Speaker 3>but this guy's trash. He doesn't deserve this notoriety that

737
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:07.719
<v Speaker 3>he's getting.

738
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I know. And like I said it at the beginning,

739
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:13.760
<v Speaker 2>he was even married and had like an infant, like

740
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.320
<v Speaker 2>a child under one at the time.

741
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Jeez.

742
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:19.440
<v Speaker 2>So that poor little girl like growing growing up to

743
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:21.199
<v Speaker 2>know that your dad did something like this.

744
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:23.599
<v Speaker 3>It's disgusting. I can't imagine.

745
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's the dexter killer of Edmonton, Alberta.

746
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Ooh okay, this was like two thousand and.

747
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Eight, thousand and eight. Yeah.

748
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he's already getting out, like in two thousand

749
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:42.440
<v Speaker 3>and seven. That's not even two nineteen years.

750
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he had it said that he had got

751
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.199
<v Speaker 2>twenty five years or had to have minimum of twenty

752
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:50.480
<v Speaker 2>five years. I don't know. Maybe he's just being optimistic.

753
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.679
<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe because you said that he's like doing really good,

754
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.079
<v Speaker 3>showing signs of rehabilitation, maybe they've lessened his sentence. Yeah,

755
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.880
<v Speaker 3>which I mean, if you get fucking life in jail

756
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 3>twenty five years or whatever with no chance parole or anything,

757
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.000
<v Speaker 3>you should get that.

758
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:07.760
<v Speaker 2>I know.

759
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.199
<v Speaker 3>It seems like every fucking case we look up or

760
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:13.400
<v Speaker 3>research or I listen to on other podcasts, they're like,

761
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.800
<v Speaker 3>you're going to jail for X amount of time and

762
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:18.039
<v Speaker 3>then not even close to that time, they're just out

763
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:18.880
<v Speaker 3>walking the streets.

764
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like what the fuck? But then after even a

765
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.360
<v Speaker 2>length the amount of time in prison, I don't know,

766
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.320
<v Speaker 2>we'll probably come across some cases. I think there are,

767
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:31.079
<v Speaker 2>like I think the majority of them don't reoffend.

768
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:34.159
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm gonna tell you right now the case that

769
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:35.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm researching for next week.

770
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, am I gonna just eat my words right now?

771
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, this dude uh in and out in and out,

772
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:42.760
<v Speaker 3>in and out. Oh, let's just say that.

773
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yep, huh. I mean especially too because like this

774
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:53.519
<v Speaker 2>was Mark's first offense, right, so, yeah, I don't know

775
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:55.840
<v Speaker 2>it'd be interesting. I mean, it's not interesting at all.

776
00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:58.440
<v Speaker 2>It's actually like horrifying. I was gonna say, to see

777
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:00.679
<v Speaker 2>if he does something when he gets so, but that's

778
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:02.000
<v Speaker 2>just a horrifying thought.

779
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I don't want to see him ever get out now,

780
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:08.360
<v Speaker 3>but clearly he's apparently going to Yeah.

781
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:11.199
<v Speaker 2>Probably, but we have a bit of time before that happens, so.

782
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:14.679
<v Speaker 3>It's still still it's not enough time.

783
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'll put up some pictures and such on

784
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:21.119
<v Speaker 2>our Instagram. What do I I actually saved a ton

785
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:22.960
<v Speaker 2>of photos from this case, so I'm gonna have to

786
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 2>pick what. I'll definitely put a picture of Johnny.

787
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:27.039
<v Speaker 3>Well, you can put up like those like kalash things

788
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:29.039
<v Speaker 3>where it's like a group of like a bunch of photos.

789
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you could do that. Yeah, but I'll definitely put

790
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.559
<v Speaker 2>one of Johnny because I think that he was actually

791
00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:34.519
<v Speaker 2>a really good person.

792
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I agree.

793
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:37.840
<v Speaker 2>And this should not have happened to him.

794
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:38.920
<v Speaker 3>That's terrible.

795
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so thanks for listening.

796
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:43.559
<v Speaker 3>Everyone, Yeah, we appreciate you being here.

797
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Are you going to give us any any hints on

798
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:48.400
<v Speaker 2>what your next one's going to be on?

799
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:51.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, the next one I will. I'll give you guys

800
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.400
<v Speaker 3>a hint. The next one's actually a recommended case from

801
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:57.000
<v Speaker 3>Kristin out there. Thank you Kristin, a friend of mine

802
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.480
<v Speaker 3>from like way back in the day. Awesome. Yeah, and

803
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:03.800
<v Speaker 3>she wrecked commended the what was it called his title again,

804
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.920
<v Speaker 3>the dating game Killer because he actually starred on that

805
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:11.360
<v Speaker 3>classic dating game you know where it's like Bachelor number one,

806
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.920
<v Speaker 3>what would you do on a date? And Bachelor number two?

807
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:15.639
<v Speaker 3>What would you like? That sort of stuff. Yeah, he

808
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.199
<v Speaker 3>actually starred on that show in the midst of his

809
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:20.239
<v Speaker 3>whole ordeal.

810
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy.

811
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.519
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, and that's from the States, right, it is,

812
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:26.639
<v Speaker 3>and it takes place back in the seventies.

813
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, because I actually recognize or that brings a

814
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.320
<v Speaker 2>bell to me, but I didn't realize it was so

815
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:36.119
<v Speaker 2>long ago. Yeah, I was not born at that time.

816
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:40.800
<v Speaker 3>No, we were a little bit afterwards. We're eighties babies.

817
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:43.280
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, that's exciting.

818
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.039
<v Speaker 3>So that's what's coming up next week. And I think

819
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:47.039
<v Speaker 3>you did a great job in this case. And honestly,

820
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:49.079
<v Speaker 3>what was this dude's name again, I'm trying to forget

821
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:51.199
<v Speaker 3>his names, you know what, let's not even say his name.

822
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.079
<v Speaker 3>The dude who committed these crimes. Fuck him, he's trash.

823
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, he is in the place he deserves right now. Yeah,

824
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and I hope he stays there for a little bit percent.

825
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:04.119
<v Speaker 3>Well, thanks for doing a great episode, babe. It make

826
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:04.800
<v Speaker 3>sure you guys.

827
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I was like, what I was pointing to you

828
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.119
<v Speaker 2>to do it, stay wicked.

829
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:11.719
<v Speaker 3>There you go.