1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Matt Ford and welcome to another live 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,880 episode of The Good Trouble Show. Today's guest is a 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,199 former Air Force Captain Emmy Winning, a filmmaker and one 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,399 of the earliest military whistleblowers to go on the record 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,120 about UFO encounters. Here to discuss his latest book, Farewell 6 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:28,120 the Tranquil Mind, and to talk about what the hell 7 00:00:28,239 --> 00:00:31,600 is going on with this whole UFO thing. Please welcome 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,439 Bob Jacobs, Doctor Jacobs, how are you, sir? 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,359 Speaker 2: OHI man, Nice to see you again. 10 00:00:37,119 --> 00:00:39,359 Speaker 1: Nice to see it has been a while, so I 11 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:43,240 don't remember. Do you prefer doctor Jacobs or Bob or 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:44,240 what do you like? 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,759 Speaker 2: I am just good old homespun exerminated Bob. 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well, great well Bob, welcome back to the show. 15 00:00:53,759 --> 00:00:55,719 How have you been are you? Are you surviving this 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,560 icy weather? Are you experiencing any of it? You clearly 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:59,840 have your you have your power. 18 00:01:01,479 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: We do. We have snowmageddon down here other than the 19 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Ozarks now where the southwest Missouri meets about the West 20 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,680 Ark and saw just at my mic and it's very, 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,560 very seldom we have snow. We had about ten inches 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,040 last night, so we're enjoying it, and people are snow 23 00:01:17,079 --> 00:01:19,120 as they go. What's that if we if we have 24 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:21,319 half an inch of snow, they close the highways, shut 25 00:01:21,359 --> 00:01:25,920 this Google down, We're out, and you fill up on 26 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,159 food at Walmart and gasoline cans. But we all survive. 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,040 I love it in the Ozarks. I have to tell 28 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,439 you about I should have been born here. 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: I have never been, so maybe one day I'll come visit. 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: Matt. You come down here, I'll show you the world's 31 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:44,480 best aquarium and the world's best natural history museum where 32 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,719 I happen to work. It's a Johnny Morris's Natural History 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,439 Museum and aquarium, and we're the best museum, the best 34 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,560 aquarium in America five years running. 35 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:55,359 Speaker 1: Come on down, I will do you know. It's funny. 36 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,959 My uncle who lives in Baltimore, he volunteered at the 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,599 aquarium in baltim Morning. He did it for quite some 38 00:02:01,719 --> 00:02:03,599 time and he really really enjoyed it. 39 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,359 Speaker 3: So I went to visit him. 40 00:02:05,239 --> 00:02:07,159 Speaker 1: There, and I think that was the last time I 41 00:02:07,959 --> 00:02:12,319 ever went to an aquarium. So with this weather, are 42 00:02:12,319 --> 00:02:15,039 you gonna drive around to do any four wheeling or 43 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:15,719 anything like that? 44 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: You staying home? 45 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,479 Speaker 2: I have a three year old motorcycle and a jeep 46 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,520 and I can drive into a walk. But I just 47 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,080 love my house so much. I can't tell you what 48 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,400 a pleasure it is to live down here in the 49 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:33,319 southern part of the country, where life is different, life 50 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,719 is slower, people are friendlier. I believe we don't have 51 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:38,919 a lot of people in welfare here because they work, 52 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:42,719 and we don't have a lot of crime and violence 53 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:45,080 down here in the Ozarks. Well with the big cities 54 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,879 are big cities. I think in fact that all big 55 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,840 cities yours included same asylums. People live in a big 56 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:56,159 city and nuts to live there. You want to you 57 00:02:56,159 --> 00:02:57,840 want to think I'm wrong, Go out and look down 58 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,879 your street and see if there's anna be homeless down there, 59 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,719 anybody's stealing something, any any traffic jams for eighteen miles 60 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:06,000 on the four one. Give you a try. 61 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I trust me. I'm well aware. So, Bob, 62 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,759 we're obviously very super excited to have you back. And folks, 63 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:17,840 at the end of the show, doctor Jacobs will be 64 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,680 taking your questions. So during the interview, think about what 65 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,039 questions you want to ask and then put them in 66 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:27,759 all caps in the chat. So after Bob and I we. 67 00:03:27,719 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 3: Have our little little discussion. He will be taking your question. 68 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: So that is exactly why we are live here today. 69 00:03:35,479 --> 00:03:38,599 And Bob, this is your third appearance on the show. 70 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,759 But for our viewers that are new to your whole story, 71 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:44,879 if you don't mind first tell us about your Air 72 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:47,400 Force career for sure. 73 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,599 Speaker 2: Let me let me start with I used to work 74 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:52,560 for I went to you as see film school, and 75 00:03:52,639 --> 00:03:54,080 right out of school, I went to work for Walt 76 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,400 Disney shooting true life adventures. And they came home from 77 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:00,280 a shooting the Caribbean and went to my mom's house 78 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,719 out in Anaheim, and she said, Bob, you've got a 79 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:05,319 letter here from somebody. So I opened the letter, which 80 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,599 from the President of the United States. I'm like, whooh, 81 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,439 open the hanvelope and says you are here, boy, inducted 82 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:13,360 into this. So I got a draft notice. Young folks 83 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,560 don't know what draft notices are, but boy, were they 84 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,319 an interruption. So I got drafted into the military, and 85 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:21,560 I was due to go down to Los Angeles and 86 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:24,680 enter the army. And I got a telephone call my 87 00:04:24,759 --> 00:04:29,160 mom's house and it was a tech sergeant Chastain. He 88 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,199 called said Bob Jacobs. I said yes. He said, well, 89 00:04:32,199 --> 00:04:35,079 I'm started to Terry Chastain with the Air Force recruiter. 90 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,199 He said, now you've got a draft notice and I 91 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:43,279 went yes. He said, and you've been ordered to come 92 00:04:43,319 --> 00:04:46,959 in and join the army and I went yes. He said, well, 93 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,639 you went to USC and you got a degree in film. 94 00:04:49,639 --> 00:04:52,519 How did he know all this? He said, I said yes, 95 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,680 and he said you've been working for Walt Disney. I 96 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,439 went yeah. He said, well, I've got a proposition for you. 97 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:01,839 You can go in the Army and get your ass 98 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,839 shot off, or you can join the Air Force. We'll 99 00:05:04,879 --> 00:05:08,160 make you a motion picture officer instead of in two 100 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,000 years to four years, but you'll come back alive. And 101 00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:12,959 I took a second half and said I'll take it. 102 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,120 So I went to the Air Force the lack of 103 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,120 the Air Force base and I went to basic training. 104 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:21,279 Then I went to Office Training School. I got out 105 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:22,879 of there at the top of my class, which was 106 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:28,000 not terribly hard, and was assigned to VanderBurg Air Force Base. 107 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,079 When I got to VanderBurg, my commanding officer Luke Clement 108 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,639 and my operations officer Ken Callahan had been at USC 109 00:05:37,079 --> 00:05:39,279 when I was there. They were there on a government 110 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:43,959 the expedition of some sort, so we all said, well, hi, USA, truges, 111 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,639 go go go. They made me officer in charge of 112 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,120 the Photo Optical Instrumentation Section of the thirteen to sixty 113 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,839 ninth Photo Squadron at VanderBurg Air Force Base. Of our job, 114 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,240 I had about three or four million dollars worth of equipment, 115 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,360 one hundred and thirty five men technicians. Our job was 116 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:07,720 to photograph every single ICBM missile launch from Bundsburg Air 117 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,279 Force Base, test missiles and so forth. We launched at 118 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,439 least four or five of those a week, so we 119 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:19,240 had a big job out. The instrumentation meant we were 120 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:24,360 to photograph the missile from three separate places around the 121 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:27,160 missile launch with trackers. We would shoot up like that 122 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,120 and watch the missile go away. We had thirty four 123 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,199 other cameras located on tripods and stanchions all around that, 124 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 so we photographed everything that happened to that missile from 125 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,199 the time it said ignition to the time it was gone. 126 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,959 We had high speed instrumentation cameras RANNY four hundred five, 127 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,560 four hundred and five hundred frames per second. We had 128 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,360 culture cameras, big things. We had tracking mounts, and we 129 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,920 spent I don't know a lot of money on each launch. 130 00:06:58,319 --> 00:07:00,319 I did that for let's see. I was there for 131 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,240 two years doing that, and I got accommodation medals and 132 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,759 I won the Gutted Missile Insignia, the Air Force Missile 133 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,879 Badge awarded for making a significant contribution to America's missilin 134 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,399 space program, which I was pretty happy with. The one 135 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:18,879 day a Major Mansman, Florence J. Mansman, from the First 136 00:07:18,879 --> 00:07:23,480 to Teach care Command Headquarters at Vanderberg, called me up. 137 00:07:23,519 --> 00:07:25,000 We had worked together for a while. He called me. 138 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,319 I said, Lieutenant, come up to my office please. I 139 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:29,120 wasn't a captain then, by the way, I was a lieutenant. 140 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:32,600 I became a captain later. So went up his office. 141 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,279 He said, have you ever been to Big Serve? And 142 00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:39,199 I said, curiously enough, I have. When I was in college. 143 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,240 I owned an mg TV car and I used to 144 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:44,279 drive up to Big Sur to go to the panton 145 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:46,399 and listen to beat poetry. Wow. 146 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:51,439 Speaker 1: He said, oh no, no, go ahead, sorry, I cleared 147 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:52,839 my I cleared my throat a little bit. 148 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:56,399 Speaker 3: Well stop, please, please, please please please continue. 149 00:07:56,839 --> 00:08:00,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Big Sur is a great place. Obviously, Gnvy 150 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:02,399 Miller wrote a book called The Big Sir in the 151 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:04,800 Oranges of anonymous bosh. I except do you expect you 152 00:08:04,839 --> 00:08:07,480 to go buy that? So I went up to Big 153 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:11,160 Sir and mix the Forest Service up there, and what 154 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:14,199 the assignment was was, can you go up there and 155 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,399 find a place where we can put a tracking mount 156 00:08:16,759 --> 00:08:20,720 up on the peak just looking back toward Vanderburgh. Because 157 00:08:20,759 --> 00:08:25,800 the engineers at Boeing and McConnell, Douglas and everyplace else, well, 158 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,879 I don't know if we could shoot a launch from 159 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:32,600 the side, because with our trackers at at Vanderberg we 160 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,600 were shooting ride up the tailpike. So I went up there, 161 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,360 went up to cost Anderson Peak on a forest service 162 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,240 road and I look back toward Vanderberg. Now get your 163 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:45,320 map out. If you look at Big Sir, it sticks 164 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,759 out in the ocean farther than Vanderburgh. So if Big 165 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:52,080 stra is here, then Vanderberg is down here. So if 166 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,960 the missile's going like this, obviously you can see it 167 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,919 from the side. So I took a camera up there, 168 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,320 and sure enough we launched a missile. I got the can. 169 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:03,879 Everybody was ecstatic. Look, we can see it from the side. 170 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,519 I got a commendation letter from this, from that and 171 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:13,519 from Boeing for finally giving him a side view. Anyway, 172 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,360 a couple of weeks later after that test, Major Management 173 00:09:17,399 --> 00:09:18,679 called me up and he said, I once you go 174 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:22,320 back up to your side at Vanderburgh at a big sir, 175 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,519 because something's coming out there and I want something. He 176 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,440 said to just go up there and wait. So I 177 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,240 went up to Anderson Peak and waited. Two days later, 178 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,399 a big eighteen road truck arrived hauling this device I'd 179 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,039 never seen before. It was a two thousand, five hundred 180 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,480 engine inch Canada optic telescope on a huge amount that 181 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,960 they hauled up the road and they said, we're going 182 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:48,759 to photograph when your launches with this telescope, to see 183 00:09:48,799 --> 00:09:50,879 how close we can get to it and how long 184 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:54,120 we can stay on it as it goes down range. Well, 185 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,399 I sent you to think a picture of that telescope 186 00:09:56,399 --> 00:09:57,840 and maybe you exceed it a bit. 187 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah me. Actually, I have a few photos that I 188 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,919 would love to show, so we'll start with this. 189 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: So, uh, what do you what are you photographing here? 190 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,519 Speaker 2: I bought alike. I can remember likeas they that's alike, 191 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,399 whether I do find Drew. I was just testing it 192 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:18,480 to say how close I could get to an object 193 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,159 with it. I bought that for one hundred and twenty 194 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:22,759 five bucks, that little camera I was just testing out. 195 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,240 My serge was out there, my tech, my master sid 196 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:28,039 was out there and he said, hey, hold it to lieutenant, 197 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:30,759 I'll get a picture of So that's what that came about. 198 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,799 Speaker 3: So about what year would this have been? 199 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: That year would have been late nineteen sixty two. 200 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,519 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, wow, okay, I love that. Love that. 201 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:44,919 Speaker 2: Let's see. 202 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,519 Speaker 3: Right then, see we have here's another one we have. 203 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 2: Yes. To the left is Operations Officer Captain Ken Callahan, 204 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,639 my CEO. In the middle is the Major Lewis Clement, 205 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,960 And that's me on the right talking to my camera 206 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,919 and saying, hey, move That's why my mouth is up 207 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,600 and I'm telling the fact, hey move over and get 208 00:11:08,639 --> 00:11:10,519 a better shot any rate. That's why that was a 209 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,080 commander's office at the thirteen sixty Nights Photographic Squadron. 210 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: You look like a giant. Were you were you like 211 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,480 the tallest person in your squadron? 212 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:24,639 Speaker 2: I wasn't right six to two, okay, Ken was really 213 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,919 small guy. Lou was just a little tall than Kim. 214 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,679 That was a big guy. I played football at USC. 215 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,039 Speaker 3: Oh, well there's enough said there. 216 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:40,639 Speaker 2: Okay, that's me in my office. Yeah, I love that. 217 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:45,600 I loved my job there. I actually just really liked 218 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:48,879 the job. I was learning a lot about high speed instrumentation, 219 00:11:49,039 --> 00:11:53,039 cameras and missiles and and all sorts of technical things 220 00:11:53,039 --> 00:11:56,799 that I had never learned at USC. And I learned 221 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,919 how to manage. I managed one hundred and thirty five 222 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,399 man unit and got a commendation for that and so on, 223 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,159 and I just enjoyed it. There are other aspects of 224 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:07,159 my airport career later on, though I did not enjoy 225 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:09,600 it very much. But this was a wonderful three and 226 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:10,879 a half years at Van Derberg. 227 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,759 Speaker 1: You know, looking at that photo for the kids, the 228 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,879 kids watching the show, little that little thing attached to 229 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:21,879 the top of the of the handset of the of 230 00:12:21,919 --> 00:12:24,440 the telephone at the right or frame, which I haven't 231 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,480 seen in a very long time, was this. 232 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 3: It was like a shoulder rest. 233 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,639 Speaker 1: Of course, this is all before speaker phones and you know, 234 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:34,799 way before cell phones. But you know, you would have 235 00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:37,519 that thing on the hand on the handset and it 236 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:42,240 would just sit on your shoulder. Yeah, excuse me exactly. 237 00:12:42,279 --> 00:12:44,240 All right, let's see next one here. 238 00:12:45,039 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: That was a long time ago, all right. Now here 239 00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:50,320 we are. This is a photograph of the actual site 240 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,879 at Big Sir of the The tolescope is behind us 241 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:58,720 and you're looking at Here is me in the the 242 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:01,879 patrol cap and the MG jacket because we were told 243 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,120 not to wear uniforms up there, because we didn't want 244 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,440 to get the civilian population excited that we were military 245 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:12,600 up there missing around in their forest. But two officers 246 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,200 came up to visit that day. The one on the 247 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:19,639 far right with cap on that is Major Mansman. Behind 248 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,919 me is the chief Warrant Officer, Guy Spooner, and in 249 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,159 front of me is mister Paulson. He was the guy 250 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,519 who brought the camera out from Cape Canaveral. 251 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I wasn't sure if he was the craft 252 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,440 service guy in the bottom bringing the bringing the coffee 253 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,039 on the set. 254 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: He was actually guy in charge of that telescope. So 255 00:13:40,159 --> 00:13:42,320 he was quite an important guy, a very nice guy too. 256 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,039 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, well I'll bet. Okay. 257 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: Let's see here, so this is is this a telescope? 258 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: Here? What is this? 259 00:13:49,159 --> 00:13:52,879 Speaker 2: Make sure to the Boston University telescope. You can see 260 00:13:52,879 --> 00:13:56,000 it's on a huge mount it's it's pointed down range 261 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,639 right now, start up in the air. The thing in 262 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,080 the back there that you see, that square thing with 263 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,840 the cable coming out of it, that's where the telescope 264 00:14:04,879 --> 00:14:08,559 focused and focusing there. It sent the image down through 265 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,039 that cable to a thirty five millimeters Mitchell camera inside 266 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,799 that that black hood there, And it was called a 267 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:21,480 chinoscope recording. Do you remember those from early television. Oh yeah, 268 00:14:21,559 --> 00:14:24,320 we made a kinescope recording, you know, what the telescope 269 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,840 was viewing. So consequently we couldn't see what the telecope 270 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,960 telescope was shooting it at the time. We had to 271 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,320 wait till we developed the film to see what we had. 272 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:36,519 Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So it's not like a telescope that has 273 00:14:36,559 --> 00:14:39,200 a viewfinder that you can look through and see what 274 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,519 it's looking at. No, So that it would go ahead. 275 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: If it fed through that cable onto us a namage 276 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,679 arthic on two big round image to Okio tube and 277 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,600 that was where the image was and we photographed that 278 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,919 tube with thirty five millimeters Mitchell camera. 279 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So and is it strict tracking on radar? 280 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:04,279 Like what what would sort of start it on its 281 00:15:04,279 --> 00:15:05,000 on its course? 282 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: It was tracking initially by two operators, one each side 283 00:15:09,759 --> 00:15:12,080 of it, one turnar camera this way or handled this way, 284 00:15:12,279 --> 00:15:14,279 and then as it got up further they simply locked 285 00:15:14,279 --> 00:15:15,799 on with radar and let it sit there. 286 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:17,799 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, gotcha? 287 00:15:17,879 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: All right? 288 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:21,759 Speaker 1: Cool? Yeah, now that's that's that's been fantastic. Yeah, that 289 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,000 is quite quite a big rig. So what does it 290 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,279 say a small small image worth the con now is 291 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,840 was this thing on like an old machine gun turret? 292 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: Or am I did I misread that somewhere? 293 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: No, our trackers at Vandburg were on machine gun forty 294 00:15:40,399 --> 00:15:42,559 five machine gun mounts. This thing was on a thing 295 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,480 that but look at the back end of a big 296 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:49,679 rig going on the highway, you know it was that big? 297 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:52,279 Speaker 1: Okay all right? 298 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,799 Speaker 3: So uh so let's get into the really really fun stuff. 299 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,679 Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about coffee and craft services at 300 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:05,000 the at the telescope. Let's talk about UFOs. I understand 301 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,720 from your base commander that you were messing around up there. 302 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 3: Is that is there any truth to that? 303 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: Let me tell you exactly how that cal that came about. 304 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:19,279 We photographed a launch from an Atlas missile. The code 305 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:24,840 name was Butterfly Net. It left Ontember fifteenth, nineteen sixty four. 306 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:28,080 We photographed it with that telescope, but we had no 307 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,039 idea what we had seen at the telescope at the 308 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,799 site because it was on the ion and was in 309 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:38,360 the initial camera. I took the film back to Vanderburgh 310 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:41,080 that day, turned over to the thirteenth sixty and Night 311 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:44,919 Processing Lab to be processed. They processed the film, they 312 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,200 sent it up to Major Mansman's office in First Rategic 313 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,639 Caare Command. And I was sitting in my office one 314 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:54,480 day and the phone rang. A couple of two days 315 00:16:54,519 --> 00:16:58,399 after the event at Big Sermon, the phone rang. It 316 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,840 was Major Manasman. He said, Tenant Jacobs, come to my office. 317 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:05,279 So I, when a major tells you to do something, 318 00:17:05,279 --> 00:17:08,200 you simply do it, don't you. So I went to 319 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:11,039 his office. I Doctor. I tapped on the door. He said, enter. 320 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,559 I came in the enter and entered his office. And 321 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:17,079 here's what I saw. I came into his office and 322 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,039 there was a table in the middle of the office 323 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:21,759 with a foom projector on it. On the far wall, 324 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:25,119 there was a daylight. They called d A L. I T. 325 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:31,039 Speaker 1: I remember those from elementary school, That's. 326 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: What it was. 327 00:17:31,319 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 328 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: And there were two guys in civilian suits standing across 329 00:17:35,279 --> 00:17:38,720 the VA from me and Major mans Men. I walked in. 330 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,480 Major Manson looked at me and said, come over here 331 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,599 and sit down. So he came. I came, and I said, 332 00:17:43,599 --> 00:17:48,720 down right next to the table with these projector on it. 333 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,000 The two guys and civilian suit stood on the fire 334 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,400 wall and stared at me quite not politely. They just 335 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,240 stared at me. Major Manson said, I watched this, and 336 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:04,039 he turned the projector and he said, now watch this. There. 337 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:09,920 What it came on was the full frame holding just 338 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:12,319 the three nozzles of that missile from one hundred and 339 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,599 thirty eight miles away. An amazing shot. We followed the 340 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,200 thing up and up through all three stages of powered 341 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:26,759 flight and beautiful, pristine black and white film and I said, wait, 342 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:29,519 that's very nice. Look at that, and he said, just 343 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:33,119 watch this. At the point of which we had lost 344 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,200 sight of the thing on the site, the huge telescope 345 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,559 was still tracking it. We saw it moved along through 346 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:46,599 the blackness of mere space at about sixty miles altitude 347 00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:51,799 and suddenly the frame holding that device right here. Something 348 00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:56,599 else entered. The frame came in like this. If this 349 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,000 was the UFO, if this was the warhead, it came 350 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:02,680 the It shot a beam of light, hit the warhead, 351 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:05,799 flew up here, shot another beam of light, Get the warhead. 352 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,599 Came over here, shot other beam of away gheit the warhead, 353 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,920 shot another being of light here, get the warhead, and 354 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:17,599 flew out of the frame. The film stopped. Major Mansman 355 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,799 turned out the projector and he said, were you guys 356 00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:25,319 screwing around up there? I said no, sir. He said, well, then, 357 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,519 what the hell was that? I said, exactly this. It 358 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:33,799 looks to me like we go to UFO, he said, 359 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,920 pointed me. You are never to say that again. As 360 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,680 far as you're concerned. This didn't happen. And I was stunned, 361 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,759 because imagine this, I'm Ray Bradbury's son. We're into saying 362 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:51,519 speciment all about rockets and having fun and so on. 363 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,440 I had just seen something that blew my mind open. 364 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,640 I went internally because I couldn't say anything to him. 365 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:07,119 I went, my god, they're real, They're here, the biggest 366 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,799 event in human history, And I witnessed it. I witnessed 367 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:13,400 the UFO from some place somewhere, I don't know where 368 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,480 it came from, but it shot a nuclear war head 369 00:20:15,519 --> 00:20:23,960 down that that was an act of war by an 370 00:20:24,039 --> 00:20:31,119 unknown adversary, and it was showing us. Do you guys 371 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,200 keep scowing around these nuclear weapons? Will look, we can 372 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,119 erase them. Why don't you just stop it? I think 373 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,759 that's what the message was. I'm sitting there office and 374 00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:42,400 he said, do you understand you will never to say 375 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,160 this again? And I went I want to say, fuck, no, 376 00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:47,039 I don't understand. What's the matter with you? 377 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,319 Speaker 1: Of course right? 378 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,839 Speaker 2: But instead I said yes, sir, and I got up 379 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,480 and left the room. I was silent because that was 380 00:20:56,519 --> 00:20:59,240 there was a security of violation possibility. I could have 381 00:20:59,279 --> 00:21:02,839 been put in jail, shot I don't know people have 382 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,279 been shot for revealing information. And so I sat on 383 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:11,039 that for seventeen years. I didn't tell anybody, not the 384 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:14,240 guys who were there, not any of my colleagues at Vanderbergh, 385 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:20,000 not my wife, nobody. I just shut up. 386 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:21,599 Speaker 3: One to interrupt real quick. 387 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: I just have to have a couple of questions. So 388 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,759 when you when you walked in there, the men in 389 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:29,720 the gray suits. They didn't shake your hand or introduce 390 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:30,759 themselves or anything. 391 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:35,599 Speaker 2: They just they stared at me. Wow tut. Turns out 392 00:21:35,599 --> 00:21:36,240 they were CIA. 393 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,319 Speaker 3: Okay, so you were able to confirm that later. 394 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 2: I was okay, CIA director. 395 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: In fact, wow okay. 396 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: I had an experience where I I let me explain 397 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,640 some some of the things have happened to me before 398 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,359 I get into my connection with the CIA and the FBI. 399 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,480 I lived with that information inside me for a long time, 400 00:22:05,519 --> 00:22:08,599 and it ate at me, began to just bug me. 401 00:22:09,559 --> 00:22:14,160 I began having strange experiences in my sleep. I'm not 402 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,880 sure what was going on. But finally I was teaching 403 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,319 at the university. Was concerned, osh gosh, and I was on. 404 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,599 I was on. I taught for a whole year, but 405 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,680 we were paid nine months. So every summer I'd have 406 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,079 to find something to do, and I'd choose some TV 407 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,279 commercials to write a couple of magazine articles. And I 408 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,000 was sitting in my farmhouse one day and I went, 409 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,000 I need to pay the mortgage, and so I said, 410 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:43,279 let me see what can I do. I thought that 411 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,839 UFO came back into my mind. I said, I hope 412 00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:48,960 that I could sell that article. So I wrote an 413 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:53,319 article about the UFO experience I've just described to you, 414 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,960 and I looked for a for a publisher. Well. I 415 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,599 sent it to a Life magazine and a couple of 416 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:03,480 other man magazines. No interest, So I sold it to 417 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:06,519 the National Enquirer. They maybe two hundred and fifty bucks 418 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:10,839 for to paid my mortgage and forgot about it until 419 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:16,519 about three weeks after that article appeared. I started getting 420 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:21,000 telephone calls from various people. There was a guy named 421 00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:25,839 Lee Graham who was a super UFO researcher. He started 422 00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:31,279 tipping me to people like Robert Hastings, and suddenly I 423 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,960 was being bombarded and I started getting a odd telephone calls. 424 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,359 I'd be in my We have these phones now that 425 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,599 take messages first, right, I'm sure you'll remember machine. You 426 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,119 can go bunch the button beep and the answer I 427 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,440 come home from work and I bunch my answer machine. 428 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,599 It would say you talk too much, You're going down, motherfucker. Click. 429 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,319 That happened at least twice a week for two or 430 00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:04,759 three months. My girlfriend now my wife, Max, and I 431 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:09,559 were to a movie one night, you know gosh. We 432 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,920 came home to the farmhouse and we walked in and 433 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:14,920 the phone rang. I picked it up and it said 434 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,799 fireworks in your mailbox at night, Oh the beautiful night. 435 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,119 You're going down, motherfucker. And my mailbox blew up. My 436 00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:29,119 role mailbox exploded. I bought a gun. I have the 437 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,599 guns still and I will I pack, I practice, and 438 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,880 I don't miss. They tried to kill me, They threatened 439 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:42,599 my life. They they cost me two teaching jobs at 440 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:48,559 Maine and at Cleveland State, and harass me even today. 441 00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,440 And when I talked to my friend Robert Hastis, we 442 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,079 will frequently be talking on the phone and suddenly something 443 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,359 go click and we hear some odd thing in the background, 444 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,759 like they're listening to us. Sounds weird, doesn't it does. 445 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: I've actually had and we'll talk about Robert a little 446 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,400 bit later, but yeah, I've actually had had the same thing. 447 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,119 But hey, at least at least the guy calling had 448 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,000 really good taste in the nineteen sixties pop music. I 449 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,680 mean Skyrockets and flats one one of my one of 450 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,839 my all time all time favorites. 451 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: Imagine that, Imagine that I was, I was at a 452 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,799 I was in the movie The Age of Discovery. One 453 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:32,480 of the people who've interviewed and There was a screening 454 00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:38,119 in Austin, Texas a few months back, and lots of 455 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,720 people who were in that movie were there for the show. 456 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:42,680 You know, we we got together and I got to 457 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,160 meet a lot of the people in that movie. We 458 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:50,720 had discussions with lots of very credible witnesses to the 459 00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:54,480 UFO incident. There was a guy there from the CIA. 460 00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:56,559 I happened to who he was because Robert told me 461 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,920 who he was, Robert Hastings. I walked in the room 462 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,839 and I saw him across the room. He saw me, 463 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,559 and he smiled, and he started toward me, and they 464 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:09,960 got up posted and he said, he said, I know 465 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,920 who you are. And I said oh, And he I said, 466 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,759 are you When I say his name, he said, yes, 467 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:20,440 I am. Well, Robert had told me about him. I 468 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,960 said to him, well, so you were the guys who 469 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:28,599 blew up my mailbox. He's and said, no, that wasn't us, 470 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,200 But I know guys and my son it was true. 471 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,039 It was real. 472 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: Amazing. Wow. And what happened in the course of that 473 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,119 conversation after that, I mean that that would that would 474 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,920 probably leave me pretty stunned. 475 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: My conversation. Well, if you read my book, I have 476 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,519 I have. In fact, I've felt for fifty years with 477 00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:59,799 this thing on my mind. I've been harassed, I've been threatened, 478 00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:02,839 i been call names, I've been told I'm a grifter 479 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,839 and a grunt and a shithead. And so what what 480 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,519 can you do with something if you can't prove it? 481 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,000 If you have sixty years of things happening to you 482 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,119 all over the place, talking to people, engaging with people 483 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,720 who who have had experiences before, engaging with CIA, with 484 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,799 with in the military industrial complex, which I have, what 485 00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:32,720 would you do with that information? Well, I could write 486 00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:34,279 an article and say I talked to this guy and 487 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:36,319 he said this. But what I did was what Ray 488 00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:40,440 Bradbury taught me to do once. He said, if something 489 00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:47,119 bothers you, if someone bothers you, kill them. And I said, 490 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:52,480 what he said, write write a book. In the book, 491 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,359 take care of your demons, write them down, expose them, 492 00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:00,440 Fictionalize the whole thing so that when people eat it, 493 00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,400 they can understand it's about you, and it's about the 494 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,839 people you've met. But they don't they're not named. And 495 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,960 I've culled off some people. 496 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 3: Wow, okay, right, Well you're clearly a bad ass. 497 00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: I knew you were a bad ass before, but now 498 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,880 you're definitely definitely a bad ass now. Now, Bob, we 499 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,119 have a clip here that is an animation of what 500 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,359 you described earlier. I just want to play that for 501 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,759 everyone at home here and feel free to comment as 502 00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:30,880 we're playing along. 503 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: Yes, this is an animation of the war head of 504 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:40,839 the nose cone of the Atlas missile up in space. 505 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,680 That flickering stuff there is little sheets of aluminium foil 506 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,400 that're sent out to dissuade the anti missile missile from 507 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,680 hitting it. The warhead goes into a higher orbit and 508 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,160 as it's flying along, something comes into the frame. It 509 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,400 fire's a beam of light at the warhead. Mh. It 510 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,960 goes up to the top of shoots another beam of 511 00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:11,799 light down at the warhead, another beam of light, and 512 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,559 another and as out of the frame of the same 513 00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:18,759 way it came in. That's what we saw. That's an 514 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,759 orders to pick what we saw right now. 515 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,079 Speaker 1: A couple a couple more questions about this. So if 516 00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:30,519 I understand you correctly, I believe what you said earlier 517 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,839 during during the part that the UFO flew in when 518 00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:37,960 you were when you were on the ground operating this 519 00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:42,400 piece of equipment. You had lost visual contact with it, correctly, 520 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:44,519 so you had you had no idea what it occurred. 521 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: That is correct. We couldn't we were it was no, 522 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,240 it was it was beyond our ocapability, our human nice 523 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:52,319 to see it at that point. 524 00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: And do you think major Mansmen and your good friends 525 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,799 in the c i A. When they brought you in, 526 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,759 do you think that they were fishing to see whether 527 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,559 you had seen it or it? Just it seems kind 528 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:10,400 of odd that, like what the purpose was of bringing 529 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,839 you in there if they knew that there's no way 530 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,359 you could have seen what happened. Sort of wondering about that. 531 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:21,279 Speaker 2: They had to bring me in because I was officer 532 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,920 in charge of that site. If anything had happened up there, 533 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,240 if we had been screwing around, if we had done 534 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,119 something odd, I would have been held. They had to 535 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,319 show me the film. I was the only one they. 536 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,079 Speaker 3: Showed it to, Okay, because that was going to be 537 00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:35,960 my next question. 538 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,559 Speaker 1: Do you know if they brought anyone else in that 539 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,759 was underneath you to put them through the same sort 540 00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:42,680 of gauntlet. 541 00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: I know for fact that they did not bring anybody 542 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,680 else in. There's a guy involved in this this issue 543 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,279 called Kingston George, who was a guy who worked at 544 00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:58,799 Vanderberg at the time. He saw another shot shot, a 545 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,960 shot that was on the twenty second of September, not 546 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:05,119 this one. The thing he was talking about was a 547 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,400 code named Buzzing B. He claims he saw this thing 548 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,720 that I'm talking about, and that I made a mistake, 549 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,960 that there was no UFO, that there was some chaff 550 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:17,880 and debris I got. He had ada and he held 551 00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:22,799 that until he died several years back in Santa Maria 552 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:27,119 where he was acted in little theater the thing that 553 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,319 I saw. And I've been contacted now by CIA and 554 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:38,039 FBI about this incident. They have shown me the film 555 00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:42,920 the Kingston George talks about and I said, that's yes. Indeed, 556 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,960 I said, that's the one that Kingston George is talking about. 557 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:51,799 That's not mine. Now there's a guy named Timmy Phillips 558 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,839 who works for Aero, the anomost blah blah blah. 559 00:31:57,319 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're going to talk about them later. 560 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,279 Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, yeah, I've We've got a few things 561 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,480 to talk about with arrow that uh And And as 562 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,640 I meant, and as I mentioned earlier, you are alone. 563 00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:13,279 Speaker 2: You'll get there Timmy's mine. 564 00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 3: You need whom to be well, say that again. 565 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: I said, when we get to there, Timmy is mine. 566 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,599 You let me have him. 567 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: Okay, and you you are allowed to cuss on this show, 568 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:32,720 no filter, okay, okay, okay. So so so so you go, 569 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,319 you go public with this thing. And you mentioned Robert Hastings. 570 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:39,880 Now Robert has been on our show. Uh, he was 571 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,200 really one of the people that got me into this. 572 00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:44,720 But for the people watching at home that may not 573 00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:48,119 be familiar with Robert Hastings, Hastings, tell us a bit 574 00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:51,720 about him and why he is related to to your 575 00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:54,480 particular area of expertise. 576 00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,039 Speaker 2: This is the only book you ever need to read 577 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,160 all about UFOs. This is Robert's book called UFOs and 578 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:03,640 New That's the book. By it. Look at it, you 579 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,680 don't know what you need to know about UFOs and 580 00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:11,240 nuclear weapons. Robert is the best research in this field 581 00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:17,119 of anybody who's ever lived and read that book. I 582 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,599 started getting calls, as I said, whom my article on 583 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,200 public in the National Acchoirer and Lee Graham, the researcher 584 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,039 from Monrovia, California, who worked in the aerospace industry by 585 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:31,839 the way, who was in touch with Robert Hastings. Lee 586 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,880 had also been in total me, so he gave Robert 587 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,599 Hastings my information and Robert contacted me. We started talking, 588 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,160 and I realized that I was talking with the ultimate 589 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,599 source of information about UFOs and the world. Robert said, 590 00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:51,279 his book details with over one hundred and sixty people 591 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:55,759 like me, military people who had experience with UFOs and 592 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,880 influence and nuclear weapons. So his book is compendium of 593 00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:04,160 all of us who had anything to do with the 594 00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:06,720 subject and anything to really say about it. There are 595 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,679 people who have not say anything about it, but I 596 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,800 encourage them to talk to Robert as soon as possible. 597 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,519 He and I became not only associates, but friends and 598 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,119 later the collaborator on a book and so forth. I 599 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:24,719 just I think, River, it's going to be on your 600 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,079 show sometimes soon with the latest guy from Vanderberg. Yeah, Richard, 601 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,360 who's got another story that happened the exact same time 602 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,840 as mine. In fact, when you meet Richard, you'll you'll 603 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,400 like the guy. 604 00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: Awesome. 605 00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:42,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I'm very much looking looking forward to that. 606 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you were talking earlier about when you were 607 00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:50,159 having like the clicking and the noises. When I first 608 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,880 began communicating with Robert, and you know, he's turned into 609 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,239 a good friend and just what he has done. 610 00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:58,119 Speaker 3: For this whole topic. 611 00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 1: If it weren't for Robert, I'm not really sure we 612 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,000 would be where we are at today. 613 00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 2: I mean, really, I'm surely sure that's true. Matt. I 614 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,639 think he's the main guy we've got going for us. 615 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, But anyway, I was. I started talking to him 616 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,960 on the phone and I would get these weird clicks 617 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,960 on my cell phone. I'd talk and then I'd start 618 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,320 hearing echoes of my voice. I'd never you know, at 619 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,119 first I thought it. 620 00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 3: Was T Mobile. 621 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,199 Speaker 1: I like to call him team maybe because they're so shitty, 622 00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,880 but they're cheap. But yeah, I told Robert that, and 623 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,480 he's like, oh, yeah, that's the boys back East listening in. 624 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:37,760 He said, in particular, when he is speaking with former military, 625 00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:39,519 he really gets a lot of that. 626 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 3: But I know exactly what you mean. 627 00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: Yep, incredible. The skull degree about this subject is well, 628 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:58,920 it's something, my boy. I'm so physically sick by what's 629 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,280 going on in our country right know, all over the place, 630 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:07,440 the craziness, the the cut, your winging off and pretend 631 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,679 you're a girl, I mean, all this crazy stuff that's 632 00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:15,039 going on in US and the government, politicians lying, and 633 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:18,960 and and so on. I'm more than disgusted with our 634 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,280 country right now. Not our country. Our country is just 635 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,639 flying if those of us who live in the counter 636 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,119 will goddamn get with it and take it back. But 637 00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:31,800 what the government has done, or whoever, let me rephrase, 638 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,679 what the military industrial complex has done to this subject 639 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,320 we're talking about, is the is the crux of the matter. 640 00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:44,880 If let's just say, if for a moment, we have 641 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:51,760 recovered crash crashed discs, if we have in our in 642 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:58,199 our file somewhere technology that we are certainly incapable of 643 00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,599 do in ourselves, if we're reverse engine nearing it at 644 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:08,559 someplace like Boeing or Bigelow or many other places. Think 645 00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:14,679 about that. If Bigelow or Boeing or any aerospace company 646 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:22,960 Martin Marietta or taking these crashed discs, reverse engineering and 647 00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:26,360 using them to make things to make money, why would 648 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,360 they not want us to shut up about it? For example, 649 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,519 where did this thing come from? Well, where'd the chip 650 00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:39,519 come from? That's in here? Where do we learn about 651 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:43,280 stealth aircraft? Where do we learn about I can take 652 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,239 this machine radio and talk to my daughter in the 653 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,880 army in Vircenza, Italy right now, with nothing more than 654 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,840 a punch of a button. How do we do that? 655 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:56,119 When did that happen? When did we make ninety five 656 00:37:56,159 --> 00:38:01,119 inch television screens? The Ray Bradbury about Way wrote about 657 00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:04,599 back in one of his books called The Velt, talked 658 00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:08,239 about a wallside screen where the tigers and an African 659 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,679 elephants can come out of and get you. I remember 660 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,480 Dwight Eisenhower, our president, five star general who helped win 661 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:22,119 World War Two largely when he left office as president, 662 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:27,119 he said, I'm warrying you about the military industrial complex. 663 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,280 I'm not sure we listened, because the military industrial complex 664 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,320 right now, Let's see, since World War Two ended, have 665 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,920 we ever not been at war? 666 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:41,599 Speaker 1: Yeah? 667 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,119 Speaker 2: I think one time we haven't been at war. We're 668 00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:47,320 war right now. Oh yeah, baughter is serving over in 669 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:55,639 Italy right now as a paratrooper for God. I think 670 00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:58,960 the military industrial complex is running our entry right now. 671 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,039 They do all kinds of things to us. They poison 672 00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:07,800 us against each other, the bert democratic bullshit. The media 673 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,800 lies to us all the time. They're propaganda seeing who 674 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,000 they're supposed to hate today, who are supposed to hate tomorrow? 675 00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:19,400 Do you hate Muslims? Christians? This whole thing is insane. 676 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:21,679 We are so much better as people than what we're 677 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,920 acting like right now, aren't we. Well. I think that 678 00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:28,840 this issue that you and I are talking about UFOs, 679 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,519 the fact that non human entities from some place or 680 00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:38,960 somewhere else are here with us, have been with us 681 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,519 for a very long time, are influencing our development, are 682 00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:48,199 influencing I hope for the best of our or trek 683 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:54,239 toward the future. Somebody asked me once at a meeting 684 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,079 and said, well, Bob, what do you think are they 685 00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,840 here to kill us? Matt, they were here to kill us, 686 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,159 we'd be dead. Their technology, their technology is so vastly 687 00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:09,320 superior to us it might as well be magic. So 688 00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:11,119 I don't think they're here to kill us. I hope 689 00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,320 they're here to maybe straighten us out and make us 690 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,159 grow up. Look if if if we could live long enough, 691 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,280 if human beings could live a long enough life span, well, 692 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,119 I wonder if we could get wise, we can get smart. 693 00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:28,559 Now we can listening here? Is it makes us able 694 00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:30,599 to learn a lot of things. If that's being smart, 695 00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:32,199 I'm not sure it is, But we have learned a 696 00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:36,599 lot of crap. But can we get wise? Can we 697 00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:39,159 ever come to the point where we don't give a 698 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,719 shit what religion you are because it doesn't matter. Can 699 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,360 we get to the point where it doesn't matter what 700 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,760 color your skin is, or what church you go to, 701 00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:49,760 or if you go to church at all. Can we 702 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,320 ever get to that point because that's wisdom? Isn't it 703 00:40:56,159 --> 00:41:00,000 come to the point where we understand, Look, racism is bullshit. 704 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,920 There's no racism. There's only one race. You me, everybody 705 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,159 on the street. It's called homo sapiens, sapiens, there's only 706 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,639 one of us. I've lived in seven countries and and 707 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,599 I traveled in thirty others. And everywhere I go, from 708 00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:18,519 the Philippian Islands where I live, to all over Europe, 709 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,519 to the UK, to Mexico, to South America to the 710 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:27,719 islands of Way down South and the Pacific, I see people. 711 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:31,920 Everywhere I go is just us, just as people. And 712 00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:35,719 I talk to everybody I meet, and I'm talking to 713 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,519 another man, another woman, another person with the same sort 714 00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:43,559 of things that I need to have, place to sleep, 715 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,440 some deep friend, to talk to, somebody to love my God, Matt, 716 00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:51,440 this crap has got to stop. We have to wise 717 00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:54,639 up because because if we don't, our species is done 718 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,480 dead finished. I like Elon Musk because he's one of 719 00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,440 the guys who follow us what Ray Bradbury talked about. 720 00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:05,840 We have to get off the planet. Our species are 721 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,679 not going to exist because the planet's not going to 722 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,000 be here in another five billion years, is it's going 723 00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:14,639 And if we don't get off of it, this experiment 724 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,840 of Homo safeien sapiens is over with. That's a terrible 725 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,679 waste considering home long we've been trying to get here 726 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:29,760 and learn and be wise and be friends and love 727 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,920 each other and have a good time and all that 728 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,599 sort of stuff. I'm that's why I wrote my book, 729 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,639 because I put everything I could not say in public 730 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,039 or say and prove into that book to say, look, 731 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,599 what if this happened? What if we got wise? Can 732 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,239 forget whise? If we just get smart? 733 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 1: Man, I'm with you on that, And we're going to 734 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,199 talk about your book, and of course Arrow. 735 00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:00,159 Speaker 3: We have some people at Arrow. I'm sure both of 736 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:00,920 you or both of. 737 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: Us are not particularly big big fans of But before 738 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,559 we get to that, we are going to take a 739 00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:14,199 quick break here. Let's see, so over half of you 740 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,119 watching right now, everyone watching this show right now are 741 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,119 not subscribers, so please hit the subscribe and thumbs up 742 00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:24,039 button and leave a comment. Believe it or not doing 743 00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:27,559 that kind of stuff. I know every YouTube person says, hey, 744 00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:29,440 smash that like button, all that kind of stuff, but 745 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:33,199 YouTube actually looks at those things, and that's how it 746 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,400 decides whether to promote your show to people that are 747 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,280 not current subscribers. So we really would appreciate if you 748 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,280 would do that. And also, we do not have sponsors. 749 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,360 We have a Patreon and we are at a www 750 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,400 dot patreon dot com, Forward slash dot forward slash dot 751 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,440 com The Good Trouble Show. Your donation that helps us 752 00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,559 pay for the studio rent, which is not cheap because 753 00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:01,760 I'm here in LA. And also super chats are open, 754 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,000 and again, your financial support allows us to bring you 755 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,320 this lovely show and the great guests that we like 756 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,639 to bring you. And then also many of you may 757 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,119 or may not know, we are on all of the 758 00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:19,639 podcast platforms Spotify, Apple, all that good stuff. So if 759 00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:22,159 you would please take a couple of minutes, if you 760 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,360 listen to our show on a podcast and leave a review. 761 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,559 We are working hard to raise our ranking with places 762 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:31,519 like Spotify and Apple Podcasts. 763 00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:33,119 Speaker 3: So, just as when you. 764 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,039 Speaker 1: Leave a comment and subscribe and all that on YouTube, 765 00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:39,280 if you leave a nice comment for us on the 766 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,920 podcast platform, the podcast outfit looks at it and says, Okay, 767 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,960 we're gonna We're going. 768 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,880 Speaker 3: To promote that show anyway. 769 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,559 Speaker 1: We really, really, really do appreciate it. 770 00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 3: So let's get back to Bob here. 771 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,679 Speaker 1: So there is a UFO u AP office in the Pentagon. 772 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,320 It's called ARROW. For those folks that aren't aware of this, 773 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,079 it's called the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. And I 774 00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:11,280 understand that you have testified to them. 775 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 3: Am I correct in that? 776 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 2: You're absolutely correct? 777 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:15,880 Speaker 1: How was that? 778 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,280 Speaker 2: That's the kind of glaring and we ought. 779 00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: To take those what is best for you? 780 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 2: Oh, I'll tell you what. Robert Hastings called me one 781 00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:30,000 day and he said, a good guy from DC has 782 00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:34,639 called me. He said, he's working with Shanker Patrick with 783 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,559 something called ARROW, and he's read my book UFOs and 784 00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:41,199 Nukes and he wants to know if some of the 785 00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:43,880 people in that book would be willing to testify to ERROW. 786 00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:46,920 So Robert said, would you? And I said sure? I'll 787 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,800 do that. Woods did, Terry Lovelace did, a couple other 788 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,360 people did, and I've heard from Arrow. The guy called 789 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,119 me from and he said his name, which I think 790 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,239 was Glenn or something like that. He said, I want 791 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,480 you to just go ahead and tell what you want 792 00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:08,920 to tell about your phone counter. So I did. It 793 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,920 took about an hour for me to talk to this guy, 794 00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:14,639 and he never questioned me. He just kept encouraging me 795 00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:16,280 to go on and go on and go on. He said, 796 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,320 is there anything else you want to say? At the end, 797 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,880 I said, well, I've been waiting fifty years to tell 798 00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:26,079 the government my story. And he said, well you just did, 799 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:32,880 and I felt exuper I thought, wow, it's happened. And 800 00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:36,679 Mario Woods did the same thing. Robert Tolly that they 801 00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:39,239 had several other people done it, and then something happened. 802 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,880 There was a congressional hearing where Shakra Patrick, the head 803 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:50,480 of Arrow, was to present a brief to Congress about 804 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,599 what the people, those of us who testified it said. 805 00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:59,280 He came on in that hearing and he said, paraphrasing, 806 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,639 he said, we have found no evidence whatsoever of extraterrestrial 807 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,239 blah blah blah. I threw my book. At the television set, 808 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,880 I called Robert, I called several people. We were screaming 809 00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:20,480 about what the hell is this guy doing? And we 810 00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:24,039 still don't know. All I know is that he wide 811 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:30,199 because we all and more than us, dave lots of 812 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:37,599 people with the sensational information about the UFO situation testified. 813 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,239 He said, no, there's nothing here. He has said that 814 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,599 time and again. He just insulted Representative Luna by saying 815 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,320 she's the one who's currently investigating UFOs in Congress. He 816 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,639 called her Luna and her lunatics and went on and 817 00:47:54,719 --> 00:48:00,559 on at us. Timmy Phillips has taken over, I guess 818 00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:04,639 from Schunker Patrick, who has fled the fled the limelight 819 00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:08,440 to get out of the way of people. Timmy Phillips 820 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,960 did something that I can't believe. I can't believe anybody 821 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,639 would be so stupid enough to do this. And maybe 822 00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:19,039 it's because he's a marine. He was a marine. Marines 823 00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,800 will do what they're told. Okay, you saw marine. You 824 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,360 give a marine order, the marine will do that order 825 00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:27,760 or die. And I think maybe Tim Phillips being a marine, 826 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,960 is this the exact same guy they wanted to put there, 827 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,000 because say, Tim, you say this and that's that, And 828 00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:36,320 so he did. Here's what he said he claimed about 829 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,880 my case, about me and my case. He said that 830 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:45,599 he went to Vanderbergh. They located the original film at 831 00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:50,159 VanderBurg because it was archive there. He said, they cleaned 832 00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:52,239 the film up, they made prince of it, and they 833 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,639 discovered that, sure enough, I had made a mistake. There 834 00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:58,800 was no UFO there, it was just some chaff and debris. 835 00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:02,760 And Jacobs obviously didn't know what he was talking about. 836 00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:04,519 Speaker 1: Wow. 837 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,440 Speaker 2: I was officer in charge of photo op insutation at Vanderberg. 838 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,920 I was in charge of every goddamn movement missile that 839 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,440 went down that I saw thousands of feet of film 840 00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,599 with missiles. I knew exactly what I was looking at. 841 00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:21,880 I knew exactly what I reported. And I also know this. 842 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,159 Tim Phillips lied through his fricking teeth. He did not 843 00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:30,440 go to Vanderberg. The film in question was not archived 844 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,079 at Vanderburgh. It was never archived at Vanderburgh because Major 845 00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:38,480 Mansman told me and said and verified that that very 846 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:41,360 day that I saw the film in his office, the 847 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,599 CIA operative cut the film off the reel with a 848 00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:47,559 pair of scissors. Took that and took it away and 849 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:51,639 they flew the film back to East wherever that was. 850 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,800 It turned out to beca had voted quarters. Now the 851 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,920 film was never ever archived at Vanderberg, Timmy Lyon Pastor. 852 00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: So you're you're saying that the the former So so 853 00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:08,000 we had doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, who was the original, uh, 854 00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:12,599 the original director of Arrow. And after he departed and 855 00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:17,679 and got his golden parachute, probably courtesy of the Legacy program, 856 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,639 and went to oak Ridge National Laboratories, Tim Phillips who 857 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,960 was the deputy director, he moved in uh to to 858 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,440 Shawn's uh spot. And you're you're saying that Tim Phillips, 859 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,400 the at the time the director of Arrow flat out 860 00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:35,280 lied to the public. 861 00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 2: Here at the end exactly if if he said that, 862 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,639 and he did say it, because I heard him say it. 863 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,760 He lied. He never went to vander brig He never 864 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,639 found any Philip vander Brig. It wasn't there. 865 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:52,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and and speaking of speaking of of Seawan Kirkpatrick, uh, 866 00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:55,360 I understand that you actually you told the told us 867 00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,000 this story that you actually gave a mission, you tasked 868 00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:02,639 a mission for David Grush. And I'm going to play 869 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,199 that clip. Folks, don't be too alarmed. When you see 870 00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:09,519 see version one of our show. It looked pretty much 871 00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:13,440 like cable access television. But this is doctor Bob Jacobs 872 00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:16,440 on his first appearance on The Good Trouble Show back 873 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,760 in the day. 874 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,559 Speaker 2: Dave Grush told me he's going back to DC sometime 875 00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:24,159 in the next week or so. And I said, Dave, 876 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,719 please do something for me. Tell doctor Kirkpatrick. The doctor 877 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,079 Jacobs says, fuck you. 878 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:37,519 Speaker 1: There you go, all right, you definitely don't well. And 879 00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:43,400 the thing that is so so crazy is it is 880 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:48,320 excuse me, It is so obvious that they are lying, 881 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,159 both Sean Kirkpatrick and Arrow. Now, of course we have 882 00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:59,440 Tim Phillips moved on when actually he got dozed apparently 883 00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:04,719 elon dozedom. But when he was dozed, you have the 884 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,800 new the new director of Arrow, doctor John Koslowski. I've 885 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,079 heard he's a really great guy, but I've also heard 886 00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:14,920 too he's he's out of his element element there. But 887 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:21,400 clearly Sean Kirkpatrick and and Tim Phillips, who you know, 888 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,840 are both intelligence officials. It was clear that you know, 889 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,719 these folks were flat out lying to the public, and 890 00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:33,159 you know, and you go and you listen to their explanations, 891 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:39,079 which are just so hyper simplistic that you think, how 892 00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:43,920 can anybody believe what they're saying. But I think that 893 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,519 in general, people that are tracking this topic, you know, 894 00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:50,679 they know they can smell bullshit. But I think the 895 00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:54,559 majority of the public they just buy it. They're like, oh, 896 00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:56,440 that was a balloon, Okay, great. 897 00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,039 Speaker 3: You know what's on TV next. 898 00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:01,159 Speaker 1: But I think it's a psycho logical trick that the 899 00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:08,800 intelligence intelligence community uses is to present them these the 900 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,760 the explanation in the least amount of words that is 901 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,599 basic that anyone, regardless of education, can understand. And I 902 00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:20,440 think in a way it's probably they know it's human 903 00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:23,400 nature that we will typically, you know, most people don't 904 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,679 want to read or do the research and whatnot. They'll 905 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,880 just take what the government says at face value. And 906 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,960 in my opinion, Arrow is one giant in house bullshit factory. 907 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 3: That's exactly what it is. 908 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,519 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, and lying to the American public 909 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,320 is it's there's nothing more un American than that, and 910 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,679 you know, so it just it really makes me crazy. 911 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,119 But but to to to talk, you know, touch more 912 00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:54,679 on Tim Phillips after Tim Phillips leaves, and again Tim 913 00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:59,719 Phillips certainly had a TSSCI clearance. He goes on a podcast. 914 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,000 Speaker 3: You may not be aware of this. 915 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,159 Speaker 1: Tim Phillips goes on a podcast and proceeds to tell 916 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,639 everyone on this podcast that that what people are seeing 917 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,239 UFOs are actually our vehicles. He said that, he said 918 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,440 that we he said, quote, we have stuff the size 919 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:23,440 of Klingon battle cruisers. So you're telling me that a 920 00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:30,480 career intelligence official, Tim Phillips with TSSCI clearance note telling 921 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,719 how many compartments he's been read into, is going to 922 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:40,880 go on a podcast and reveal the nation's most classified 923 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,480 secret that we have a Klingon battleship. 924 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's it's just it's it's insane. 925 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,079 Speaker 1: Of course, he's not going to do it unless he 926 00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,159 is he has been given the top cover, likely from 927 00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:56,880 the Legacy program in the CIA, to go and publicly 928 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,360 say these things. And back to Kirkpatrick, you know, I'm 929 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,280 a huge fan of Anna Polina Luna and to think 930 00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:09,719 that somebody who is still on the government dime because 931 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,000 he was working for the Department of Energy at oak 932 00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:17,639 Ridge National Laboratories. Someone on the government dime would go 933 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:24,400 and publicly disparage our lawmakers. I mean, you know, you 934 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,800 said Luna and her lunatics, and that's what he said. 935 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,400 I mean, how insulting. And he's saying that while he 936 00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:36,159 is on our dime, we're paying him to be there. 937 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,599 And I tell you the big tell which I and 938 00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:41,639 I'm going to tell you another story here in a second. 939 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,599 As far as like whether or not you can trust 940 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,440 Arrow under the leadership of doctor John Koslowski is he 941 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,679 didn't say anything. There was nothing that came out of 942 00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:57,880 the Pentagon that said doctor Sean Kirkpatrick no longer speaks 943 00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:58,360 for us. 944 00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:01,199 Speaker 3: You know, we don't appreciate what he's saying. 945 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,960 Speaker 1: Nothing, absolutely nothing, which tells you that Arrow is complicit 946 00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:09,239 in all of this. I don't You may not be 947 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:15,920 aware of this, but the a recruiter from Arrow reached 948 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,519 out to me on LinkedIn, sent me a direct message 949 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,639 and it was along the lines of we think you 950 00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:27,440 would be a good candidate for this position. 951 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,719 Speaker 3: Now of course me. 952 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm immediately thinking, actually, you know what, I'm 953 00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:37,159 going to pull this up right now on on my 954 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,320 on my LinkedIn, uh, and I'm going to read you 955 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,159 the message. If it's still there. Hopefully, hopefully it is. 956 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:55,000 Let's see. Yeah, okay, this is Danny from SG to Recruiting. 957 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,119 I came across your background and thought you might be 958 00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:01,960 a strong match for a high impact role. We're supporting 959 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,079 with r Low's Solutions, which is this recruiting firm. We're 960 00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:09,880 helping them hire a senior staff officer for a long 961 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,360 term contract with the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office PARENTHESES 962 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,679 ARROW in Alexandria, Virginia. The role focuses on policy development, 963 00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:24,599 coordination across d D and intelligence community and supporting national 964 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:29,519 level analysis of anomalist incidents. And you know, so some 965 00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:35,280 of the key aspects of the position shape and refinerro policy, overside, guidance, 966 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,599 a whole list of stuff. You now, you know, one 967 00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:41,519 of the requirements it said active top secret clearance with 968 00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:45,239 SCI eligibility. I don't hold any any kind of clearance 969 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,840 fifteen years in DODIC policy, which I certainly did not have. 970 00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:53,079 Speaker 3: And you know, and then he says. 971 00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:57,239 Speaker 1: What does your availability look like this week? So you 972 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,400 know the first thing I thought was somebody's punk me. 973 00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:02,760 I don't know, maybe it's Mick West or Stephen green 974 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,840 Street or someone like that or I mean, I don't know, 975 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:12,719 maybe Robert Hastings was trying to crank me. So I 976 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:18,039 went and looked up the actual job posting from this 977 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,599 Arlow Solutions, and you know, so what he listed was like, 978 00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:25,280 you know, ten ten bullet points, but this was like 979 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:32,280 a multi multi page application, and then towards the end 980 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:38,559 it had desired job qualifications and guess what they were, 981 00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:49,639 I don't know, information operations, deception operations, and deception activities. 982 00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:54,000 They specifically were trying to hire me or wanted me 983 00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:57,239 to apply for this job. And in the job description 984 00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:03,719 in which I couldn't believe, and actually Rob Heatherly, researcher 985 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,519 Rob Heathery went and was able to dig up all 986 00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:10,320 the previous job postings that that they had but had 987 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,639 taken down. None of them had requiring somebody that had 988 00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:20,679 a background in deception. What does that tell you? 989 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,039 Speaker 2: Have they heard you? Have they listened to any of 990 00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:26,000 your programs? Did they know anything about you? 991 00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:32,039 Speaker 1: Oh? I? Well, you know so I so at first 992 00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:35,039 I'm thinking, well, maybe this is like, you know, like 993 00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:39,239 a AI bot or something like that. But it's like 994 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,480 nothing in my nothing in my LinkedIn profile. I don't think, 995 00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:46,199 you know, I post videos of the show. I know 996 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,920 people in Arrow watch this show, and I know Sean 997 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,199 Kirkpatrick and Tim Phillips are very well aware of. 998 00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:55,519 Speaker 3: Who I am and the things that I say. 999 00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:00,880 Speaker 2: But sorry, I say again so for watching this one 1000 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,400 Sean and Jim, I. 1001 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Hope so too. Anyway, I was speaking to somebody that 1002 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:13,199 has worked at a three letter agency and this person said, 1003 01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:17,920 you know, they were probably who better to try and 1004 01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:24,280 get onto their side and to spout out their bullshit 1005 01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,679 and really to take me off the air then to 1006 01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:29,480 try and hire me away. 1007 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:30,960 Speaker 3: And then another. 1008 01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:34,719 Speaker 1: Person mentioned this, He goes, do you know that if 1009 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,719 you had applied for that job, you would have signed 1010 01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:42,639 a thing that would have been part of the security 1011 01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:46,920 clearance process that would have allowed them to dig into 1012 01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,960 anything in your past. So if I had any dirt 1013 01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,800 on me, they would have been able, they would have 1014 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,199 dug it up, and then they would have been able 1015 01:00:57,199 --> 01:00:59,199 to use it, and then they would have been able 1016 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:05,000 to have WEAPONI that against me. But I mean, it's crazy, 1017 01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:07,280 it's just crazy, these people. 1018 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:19,119 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it's it. It's beyond insane. It's criminal what 1019 01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:28,320 they're doing. It's it's uh, it's it's hitler it's Stalin, 1020 01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:32,360 It's every corrupt regime that's ever existed, and they're here 1021 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,400 with us. Now, what the hell is going on? 1022 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,639 Speaker 1: Would would you recommend a UFO U, a P whistleblower 1023 01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:40,320 to go and testify to Arrow? 1024 01:01:41,519 --> 01:01:45,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely not, absolutely not, because why would you risk yourself? 1025 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,639 Why would you expose yourself like Mario I did and 1026 01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:55,760 Terry did. I I after after I had been interviewed, 1027 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,320 and I had a nice time talking to this guy. 1028 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,639 I vote Mario and Robert said, hey, it was a 1029 01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:03,320 nice experience. They they listened to me. They said, my 1030 01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,280 garment if I heard me? And and then the hearing 1031 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,039 came along and no, they didn't hear me at all. Yeah, 1032 01:02:10,119 --> 01:02:11,920 they got hold of me and they wipe me out. 1033 01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:15,400 They have they have, in fact, Sean and Timmy have 1034 01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:20,000 now written me off as they witness, because well Tim 1035 01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:23,320 went to VanderBurg and he found the film and I 1036 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,559 was wrong, and they've just written me off. I'm just 1037 01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:31,480 an old man telling stories now because they have they have. 1038 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,599 They have made me impotent now to talk because they 1039 01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:40,039 know what happened, and they testified what happened. They said 1040 01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:46,199 that I was lying. They say that again, said fuck 1041 01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:49,880 both of them. But I don't lie about this. Well, 1042 01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,039 why would I or anybody? Mario Woods? Why would any 1043 01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:56,360 of us who have testified? Wow, why would any of 1044 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,880 us who have had experiences like this make it up? 1045 01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,920 Tell the story, and in fact keep telling the story 1046 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,840 over And I've been telling this story for fifty years. 1047 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,800 It hasn't changed because what happened. Why would I do 1048 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,119 this because I'm crazy. I've never been paid for it, 1049 01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:16,719 don't get any money for it. You're not paying me, 1050 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,760 Orgue Matt, I'm pretty sure you're not. 1051 01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,920 Speaker 1: I could barely pay the rent, so sorry, I'll send 1052 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,320 you a coffee cup. How about that. 1053 01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,960 Speaker 2: I think it's impative that people understand that those of 1054 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,519 who are who are testifying to this are not being paid. 1055 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,960 We're not getting anything for it. We're sacrificing things like 1056 01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:41,639 in some cases are are practically sanity, or our ability 1057 01:03:41,639 --> 01:03:43,920 to sit back and say everything's okay when it's really not. 1058 01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:46,800 When I have telephone calls like I got saying you're 1059 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,559 going down, motherfucker? How many tells you like that to 1060 01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:53,639 happen to you, and then the mailbox blown up, and 1061 01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:56,599 then later on having a CIA operator to say, yeah, 1062 01:03:56,639 --> 01:04:00,639 I know guys. I know, guys who did that? My god? 1063 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,920 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, all right, let's let's shift gears. 1064 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:09,559 Speaker 1: Here. You have this wonderful new book which I highly recommend. 1065 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,840 Everyone can get this on Amazon. It's called Farewell the 1066 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,159 Trenq Will Mind by mister Bob Jacobs. This is actually 1067 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:22,119 not his uh not his first book. But yeah, tell us, 1068 01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,400 tell us about this. I've read the book. 1069 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:25,719 Speaker 3: It is just fantastic. 1070 01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:33,199 Speaker 2: I'm glad you liked it. I wrote it because all 1071 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,880 right on the curve of this is my guided missile insignia, 1072 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,159 if that's my missile badge that I won, was a 1073 01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:43,199 warded by the Air Force for, as they said, having 1074 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,039 made a significant contribution to America's missile and space program. 1075 01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:51,119 That's the same US Air Force that later when Lee 1076 01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:54,599 Graham looked into my background said, there was never a 1077 01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:57,599 Robert Jacobs in the Air Force. There was never a 1078 01:04:57,679 --> 01:05:00,960 Robert Jacobs a VanderBurg Air Force Base. There was never 1079 01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,800 a Robert Jacobs in charge of photo presentation Vaderberg Base. 1080 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,320 There was never a missile tracking site that Big Serve. 1081 01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:12,960 There was never a missile launch on September fifteenth, nineteen 1082 01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,920 sixty four. It never happened? How can they do that 1083 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,920 to me? I have an officer efficiency report. That's what 1084 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,039 you get every year, get a report from your commanding 1085 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:28,360 officers saying what they think of It was outstanding all 1086 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,719 the way, it said, promote well if well ahead of 1087 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,320 other people in the Air Force. And then they turned 1088 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:40,119 on me when I start telling the truth. And others 1089 01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:42,360 have done the same thing. Mario Woods, poor guy has 1090 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:47,920 says he was abducted and his partner in a truck 1091 01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:53,360 from a missile site in several years ago, and he's 1092 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,920 been ridiculed and called names. Bob Salas. I'm sure you 1093 01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,199 know Bob. I think you've interviewed Bob of course. Yeah, 1094 01:06:01,639 --> 01:06:05,840 who was at that installation when the UFO shut down 1095 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,960 the missiles that he was sitting on top of. There's 1096 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,039 a guy named Dave Schandell's who's written a book called 1097 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,679 it Never Happened. There are lots of us out here 1098 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,440 to tell the story, and it's not a story, tell 1099 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,360 the facts who try to give some information to the 1100 01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:27,719 people of America because Americans, I think you need to 1101 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:33,360 hear this if you're one of those people. And there 1102 01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,199 are lots of people who, for example, say, well they 1103 01:06:37,239 --> 01:06:41,400 can't be here because lights the fastest speed in the universe. 1104 01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:46,719 Maybe it is, Maybe it isn't. People say, well, no, 1105 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,840 God created the earth and created us and there can't 1106 01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,239 be anybody else, to which I say, are you crazy? 1107 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,280 Why not? Why would we be the only things that 1108 01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,199 God created this? Look at the space tell let's go 1109 01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:04,440 look at one frame of that one day. Every single 1110 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,119 dot of light in that is a galaxy, trillions of 1111 01:07:08,199 --> 01:07:11,280 galaxies with planets around them. How can we be the 1112 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:17,000 only things here? But that attitude of smootness of well, 1113 01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:19,000 we're we're the only ones here, We're the only ones 1114 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,360 who can be here. The Air Force at one point 1115 01:07:22,519 --> 01:07:25,159 used that as an excuse not to come out with 1116 01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:30,159 the truth about UFOs, because there will society will fall apart, 1117 01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:32,559 there will be riots in the streets, the churches would 1118 01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:37,360 be burned, blah blah blah blah. Why why would that happen? 1119 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,599 Are we all such children of all, such tiny infantile 1120 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,119 boobs that we think we're actually the only ones here 1121 01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:48,800 and we're the only thing worth worth stating in the universe. 1122 01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:56,559 I can't believe that. I'm convinced at some point we 1123 01:07:56,599 --> 01:08:00,599 will grow up a human species follow in the lead 1124 01:08:00,639 --> 01:08:04,519 of guys like Elon, who I admire so much for 1125 01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:09,000 his compassion and his his his compulsion to give us 1126 01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:13,880 off the planet. Tell me, tell me why I would 1127 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,680 make this up? Tell me why I would go on this. 1128 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,520 Why would I have done this to my wife, to 1129 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,520 my friends, to the universe. I got fired from the university. 1130 01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,800 I got fired from twice for telling the truth. I 1131 01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:26,199 don't know. 1132 01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:30,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. So if if you have some time here, 1133 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,760 we have quite a few audience questions I would love 1134 01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:38,079 to throw at you. Sure, okay, great, all right? This 1135 01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:44,119 is from a pug dramonium. Is Bill Spalding's foyd copy 1136 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,720 of the Big sur available, Big Big Surf film available 1137 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,680 to the public? Does Bob see it as authentic? I'm 1138 01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,079 not sure what this foid film is. 1139 01:08:58,039 --> 01:09:01,000 Speaker 2: There is no foia film showing my thing. There's there's 1140 01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:03,760 none exists. I don't care who they said they have it. 1141 01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,720 It can't be. Okay, the CIA has my film Blue 1142 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:14,399 Arizondo saw my film and testified to that effect, and 1143 01:09:18,119 --> 01:09:20,239 of my film available, I'm sure you sure? 1144 01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:26,359 Speaker 1: Art Art Geigel question with those two, with those who 1145 01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:30,600 have written dismissive explanations over the years, especially the one 1146 01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,159 highlighted in UFOs and nuke's. Has there ever been any 1147 01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:38,119 new recent adjustments to their explanation. I'm not sure that 1148 01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:42,520 I understand that question with those who have written dismissive explanations. 1149 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:46,439 Speaker 2: I don't know. 1150 01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:50,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know either. Okay, Brian Pimble, thank you 1151 01:09:50,119 --> 01:09:55,279 so much, very generous, super chat. Does his master's voice 1152 01:09:55,399 --> 01:09:59,000 mean anything to mister Jacobs, Thank you? And he had 1153 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,000 that quote. 1154 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:05,359 Speaker 2: Nipper the dog that represented RCA was his master's voice. 1155 01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:10,920 Speaker 1: Wow. Okay. Robin Hood nineteen sixty six. Hello all, Does 1156 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:15,279 Bob have any follow up messages for Sean Kirkpatrick? His 1157 01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,680 previous would be difficult to top as succinct as it 1158 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,039 was the Osark's rocked by the way, good call Bob 1159 01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:27,319 an any specific message to doctor Sean Kirkpatrick. 1160 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,600 Speaker 2: As one who has a PhD and we are in 1161 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,359 our PhDs and we're in a very difficult My got 1162 01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:37,720 mine from the University of California at Santa Barbary Real University, 1163 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,399 and I worked a long time, very hard to get it, 1164 01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,159 so I know if they're real when you get your degree, 1165 01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:47,239 and mine's back there on the wall. It says with 1166 01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:51,880 all the rights and privileges. They're too pertaining. Rights and privileges, 1167 01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,399 they're to pertaining. You get this degree. With that degree, 1168 01:10:55,399 --> 01:11:00,800 it comes a large responsibility because you have perior knowledge 1169 01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,960 of a subject or a couple of subjects. You're supposed 1170 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:09,359 to know what Plato said. Plato said this much. I 1171 01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:16,439 know that I know nothing. Sean, you're ashamed to the profession, 1172 01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,520 to academia, to those of us who were tred to 1173 01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:19,319 get our degrees. 1174 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:26,359 Speaker 1: Fuck you, Okay, all right, Art Geigel. Question while taking 1175 01:11:26,399 --> 01:11:29,279 the video was the UFO not at all visible? Are 1176 01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:31,760 you and your team constantly looking through the viewfinder? We 1177 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:36,239 actually you answered that earlier in the program Let's see 1178 01:11:36,279 --> 01:11:41,920 here to do. The video camera type used was the 1179 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,199 same or similar to those used for the Starfish triple 1180 01:11:45,239 --> 01:11:50,840 Prime that captured a craft falling at detonation, superior frames 1181 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,760 per second in resolution, so left a little ambiguous, little 1182 01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:55,760 ambiguity of the rocket. I don't think there was a 1183 01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:00,680 question as the same thing here as the relevance of 1184 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,960 Errow according to their charter to actually document and report 1185 01:12:05,119 --> 01:12:09,279 to Congress testimony of witnesses and whistleblowers rather than taking 1186 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:13,079 take testimony and classify. Yeah. Sorry, it wasn't a question. 1187 01:12:14,199 --> 01:12:18,359 Let's see, what do you this is from muffschiffs? What 1188 01:12:18,399 --> 01:12:21,720 do you most likely think they are? I strongly believe 1189 01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,000 they are extraterrestrials. 1190 01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:29,319 Speaker 2: Okay, I bang o my ahead. I know they're real. 1191 01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:34,560 I've been on one. Robert Hatians has been on one. 1192 01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:38,319 I know they're real. I don't believe in UFOs. I 1193 01:12:38,359 --> 01:12:41,119 know they're UFOs. I know they come from somewhere else. 1194 01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:44,960 I'm not really positive where. I believe extraterrestrial is one 1195 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,439 of them. I also believe in the contemporary theory that 1196 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:53,560 perhaps they are interdimensional, because as we get into quantum 1197 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:58,159 mechanics and we learn about multiverses, it's possible if there 1198 01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:01,800 are interceptions between the VIEWNI versus. I'm not sure. I 1199 01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,960 know positively that at least one of the species is extraterrestrial. 1200 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:08,640 Know that for fact? 1201 01:13:09,239 --> 01:13:12,720 Speaker 1: Sure? Okay, yeah, I believe the same thing. Do you 1202 01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,560 think that Do you believe this is from UAP Global 1203 01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,680 to forty seven? Do you believe the intent was surveillance, 1204 01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,039 deterrence or something else? Thank you, sir. 1205 01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,640 Speaker 2: In my case, I believe what you're talking about. What 1206 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,279 I saw that UFO do to the doming nuclear warhead 1207 01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:34,760 was a clear warning. It was like a shot across 1208 01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,239 the bow. What happened to Bob Sallas was a clear warning. 1209 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,239 They shut down the nuclear weapons. They just shut them off. 1210 01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,079 I believe that that particular species is saying to this, look, 1211 01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:50,319 you guys, grow up, stop the nuclear bullshit, because you 1212 01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,159 can not only wipe yourselfself, you can wipe your planet 1213 01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:56,800 out with this. You can cause real damage to the 1214 01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,920 portions of because the universe is interlocked, you can do damage. 1215 01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,079 Stop it. I think that's what they're trying to tell us. Well, 1216 01:14:04,079 --> 01:14:07,960 I hope is that at some point they will just 1217 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,439 come down and say, all right, cut it out and 1218 01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:16,119 take those damn things away from us before some crackpot 1219 01:14:16,199 --> 01:14:21,399 in Iran or book the hell else gets hold of 1220 01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,119 one of those and sets it off in New York City. 1221 01:14:23,279 --> 01:14:26,880 I'm just frightened that the technology is out there to 1222 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,279 destroy ourselves, and I think they don't want us to 1223 01:14:29,279 --> 01:14:30,920 do that, all right? 1224 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:36,800 Speaker 1: From Highlander Triple O seven. Does Bob know if any 1225 01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:41,439 more incidents like this happened in terms of I think 1226 01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,000 you're alluded that it did. 1227 01:14:43,119 --> 01:14:48,840 Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, indeed, there was an incident. I think Richard 1228 01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,760 will tell you about it when he's on your show 1229 01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:55,359 with Robert Matt the fascinating It's a fascinating account. I 1230 01:14:55,399 --> 01:14:57,479 know what happened. In fact, I believe it happened at 1231 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,239 the same time that my event happened at Vanderbert. We 1232 01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:03,039 were there at exactly the same time. Richard will tell 1233 01:15:03,079 --> 01:15:06,760 you about his I've talked to a fellow named Jeff, 1234 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:12,399 also at Austin, Texas, even at Vanderberg when a large, 1235 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:18,159 very large craft came in over the ocean. He said 1236 01:15:18,199 --> 01:15:21,560 it was the size of a football field. It came 1237 01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,359 over the ocean, came in, hovered over a flight of 1238 01:15:26,319 --> 01:15:30,920 minim Man two missiles, and hung there. It was witnessed 1239 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,119 by the engineers from Well. I wrote about it in 1240 01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:36,840 my book. In fact, I included that incident in my book. 1241 01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,960 That book is a companion everything that's happened to me, 1242 01:15:41,119 --> 01:15:44,359 only fictionalized, so that I can get away with saying 1243 01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,239 what was actually there, rather than getting sued or kicking 1244 01:15:47,279 --> 01:15:50,159 the head. Oh, by the way, your names are changed. 1245 01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:55,439 Speaker 1: Of course. Okay, let's see Kill the Stigma podcast. Thank 1246 01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:58,720 you very much for the super chat donation. Love both 1247 01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:06,439 of these awesome men. Ah, thank you. Let's see uh 1248 01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:11,319 uh let's see here. Okay, Yeah, I think I think 1249 01:16:11,359 --> 01:16:15,640 that might uh might be uh might be it. Yeah. Well, 1250 01:16:16,239 --> 01:16:19,800 all I have to say, Bob is that you've been 1251 01:16:20,079 --> 01:16:24,439 my afternoon delight. Although not the same meaning as the song, 1252 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:32,079 I'll say that so hope. But but I really do, 1253 01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:36,920 really do appreciate you coming on the show, but but moreover, 1254 01:16:37,279 --> 01:16:41,880 appreciate your service to this country and really appreciate your 1255 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,920 your bravery. I think there are a lot of people 1256 01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:50,920 who may have could have been in your circumstances that 1257 01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:55,439 would have not had the fortitude to stick to their guns, uh, 1258 01:16:55,640 --> 01:17:01,079 commit themselves to always speaking speaking the truth and ignoring 1259 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:05,880 people are not ignoring, but you know, persevering over people 1260 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,960 blowing up your mailboxes. Sean Kirkpatrick and Tim Phillips and 1261 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:14,039 others at Arrow flat out lying about you. Uh you 1262 01:17:14,079 --> 01:17:18,000 know you. You are a true patriot, a true a 1263 01:17:18,039 --> 01:17:21,800 true uh you know, wonderful human being. And it's been 1264 01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:26,359 my my pleasure to know you, and and I look 1265 01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:28,960 forward to coming out and camping out on your couch 1266 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:30,239 when I come to the Ozarks. 1267 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,399 Speaker 2: Serious, you have to come down here and let me 1268 01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,960 share that museum and also the beauty of the Ozarks. 1269 01:17:36,199 --> 01:17:39,920 I ride a motorcycle, and there's if if Walt Disney 1270 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,079 had made a theme park for motorcycle see what to 1271 01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:45,760 call it? The ozarks. Let me let me close a 1272 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:50,439 more thing to speaking of bravery and so on. You know, well, 1273 01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:54,560 it doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, except bears. Bears 1274 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:55,199 will kill you. 1275 01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, cut yeah copy that. I think I'll think 1276 01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:05,800 I'll be avoiding avoiding the bears anyway. Well, well, Bob Jacobs, 1277 01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,399 thank you so much again your absolutely wonderful book. It's 1278 01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:13,720 just a truly amazing Uh. It is Farewell The Trenk 1279 01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:18,159 Will Mind by Bob Jacobs. I highly recommend anyone that 1280 01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:22,119 loves to read to check this out. I certainly enjoyed it. 1281 01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:27,159 You're you're an incredible writer. And yeah, thanks thanks for 1282 01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:28,520 spending your Sunday with us. 1283 01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,279 Speaker 2: Thank you man. This has been a lot of fun. 1284 01:18:30,319 --> 01:18:33,880 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it absolutely. Okay, thank you, all right, Bob, 1285 01:18:34,359 --> 01:18:37,960 Bob Jacobs, ladies and gentlemen, okay, great, So uh that 1286 01:18:38,039 --> 01:18:42,039 was that was just just fantastic. I love, uh, you know, 1287 01:18:42,359 --> 01:18:46,439 I love the fact, as I mentioned, you know, when 1288 01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,960 I was, you know, sending them off there, that these 1289 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:54,680 guys they just they they have no fear and but moreover, 1290 01:18:55,479 --> 01:19:01,159 they truly believe that that them speaking their truth it 1291 01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:04,359 is for the good of the country, because you know, 1292 01:19:04,399 --> 01:19:08,520 we all can't just be living taking this blue pill 1293 01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:14,399 of bullshit that the government, the deep state hands all 1294 01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:18,039 of us. And and it is, you know, and as 1295 01:19:18,039 --> 01:19:20,800 I mentioned in that aerow job posting, when they are 1296 01:19:21,119 --> 01:19:26,399 looking for people who have a background in deception activities 1297 01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:34,560 and deception and information management, which is the acronym or 1298 01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:39,439 the phrase used for disinformation, it's the the uh, the uh, 1299 01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:45,720 the the politically correct version of psychological operations executed on 1300 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:50,000 the American public by by the executive branch, by by 1301 01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:55,039 the government. You know that just that that just tells 1302 01:19:55,079 --> 01:20:00,600 you right there that you cannot trust the Pentagon. You 1303 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:06,079 absolutely cannot trust anything they say. You cannot trust what 1304 01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:13,239 the CIA says when they have absolutely no issue absolutely 1305 01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:17,359 slandering and defaming people. 1306 01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:21,359 Speaker 3: Men and women who have worn the uniform, who. 1307 01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:26,840 Speaker 1: Have made sometimes the ultimate sacrifice for the for this country. 1308 01:20:28,079 --> 01:20:31,439 When you've got this deep state, as I like to 1309 01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:35,840 call it, and I'm not in a Trumpian way, I'm 1310 01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:37,640 just saying that's really kind of the best way to 1311 01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:38,319 describe it. 1312 01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,199 Speaker 3: But you know, we can't have a democracy when that 1313 01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:42,880 is going on. 1314 01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:52,000 Speaker 1: A democracy cannot survive when the government engages in information 1315 01:20:52,159 --> 01:20:57,760 operations and deception activities. It was there in black and 1316 01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:02,960 white on this job posting. Now, when I read this thing, 1317 01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:08,199 I thought, Okay, well, maybe this is like a standard thing. 1318 01:21:08,319 --> 01:21:13,680 Maybe I'm misunderstanding the purpose. Maybe they wanted somebody that 1319 01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:19,520 could determine if if foreign adversaries were engaged in disinformation 1320 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:24,239 and deception activities. And I actually reached out to a 1321 01:21:24,279 --> 01:21:29,920 friend of mine who is a program manager for the Pentagon, 1322 01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,600 and I said, so, am I misreading this? Or am 1323 01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,520 I making too much out of this? And this individual 1324 01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:44,359 said no. This individual said that this person had actually 1325 01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:50,319 managed special access programs that both required deception and did 1326 01:21:50,359 --> 01:21:54,439 not require deception. And essentially, this person said, if you're 1327 01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,960 running a SAP, we're in the intelligence community, a cap 1328 01:21:58,279 --> 01:22:02,800 that is not needing to protect anything in the sense 1329 01:22:03,319 --> 01:22:06,439 of really going out of their way to try and 1330 01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,880 keep the thing clamped down. Then you just get a 1331 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:14,039 comms person, a public affairs official. But this person said, 1332 01:22:14,199 --> 01:22:18,960 who again has run classified was a program or slash 1333 01:22:19,159 --> 01:22:24,560 is a program manager for the Department of War. This 1334 01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:32,159 person said, if you have a SAP that requires disinformation, 1335 01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:37,439 requires them to flat out lie to the public, then 1336 01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:42,920 in that job posting you put in there information operations, 1337 01:22:43,279 --> 01:22:46,840 deception operations, and deception activities. 1338 01:22:47,319 --> 01:22:48,600 Speaker 3: This person flat. 1339 01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:54,239 Speaker 1: Out said, if this special access program has to be 1340 01:22:54,319 --> 01:22:58,119 super locked down, that's what the Pentagon makes you do. 1341 01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:05,279 So when you have ARROW, the Pentagon, sorry, Department of 1342 01:23:05,279 --> 01:23:10,960 War's all demated Anomaly Resolution Office posting on their recruiter 1343 01:23:11,039 --> 01:23:13,680 posting on their website. And in the other thing, I'll 1344 01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,640 say too. Well, I said, well, is it possible that 1345 01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,640 that this recruiter made a mistake. 1346 01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,479 Speaker 3: You know, they're they're a contractor. 1347 01:23:22,079 --> 01:23:25,000 Speaker 1: Is it possible they they went freelance and decided to 1348 01:23:25,119 --> 01:23:28,479 put on there what what they thought the job required. 1349 01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:34,039 And this veteran, who has run many special access programs 1350 01:23:34,079 --> 01:23:38,319 for the Pentagon, said, hell no, there is no way 1351 01:23:38,359 --> 01:23:42,640 in hell that that was a mistake. And again this 1352 01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,520 person reiterated, if you're running a SAP where you need 1353 01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:51,119 to lie to the American public, that is what you 1354 01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:56,800 put in the job description, and and and and that's 1355 01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,840 why that's why I call the Pentagon me the ARROW, 1356 01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:06,199 the all domin Anomaly Resolution Office, the in house bullshit 1357 01:24:06,279 --> 01:24:10,920 factory for the Pentagon, because that's exactly what it is. 1358 01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:13,479 Speaker 3: Now, here's the other thing. 1359 01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:21,000 Speaker 1: A former director of Arrow and doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, a 1360 01:24:21,079 --> 01:24:27,000 former deputy director who moved up to director, by the 1361 01:24:27,079 --> 01:24:33,359 name of Timothy Phillips. These people, these intelligence officials who 1362 01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:39,079 have spent their entire lives working with security clearances and 1363 01:24:39,159 --> 01:24:44,439 working under non disclosure agreements. These two individuals that have 1364 01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:49,920 all manner of compartments they've been read into during the 1365 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,920 course of their year, course of their career. They're not 1366 01:24:54,079 --> 01:24:58,720 dumb people. They know damn well if they go and 1367 01:25:01,079 --> 01:25:05,920 spill classified secrets, they're going to go to Leavenworth. So 1368 01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:09,199 you sit and you ask yourself, why would Tim Phillips 1369 01:25:09,319 --> 01:25:10,840 go on a podcast. 1370 01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,640 Speaker 3: It wasn't like he was just telling his wife over dinner. 1371 01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:17,199 Speaker 1: This person goes on a public podcast and says, oh, 1372 01:25:17,239 --> 01:25:19,960 by the way, all these UFOs we've been seeing are 1373 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,640 are classified programs. We've got a shift the size of 1374 01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:28,720 a klingon battle cruiser. It's amazing. You're telling me that 1375 01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:34,079 this guy who has spent his entire career saluting and 1376 01:25:34,119 --> 01:25:37,119 saying yes sir, yes ma'am and executing on that mission, 1377 01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:41,079 is going to go freelance, going to go rogue and 1378 01:25:41,159 --> 01:25:45,079 spill that kind of stuff and risk losing his retirement, 1379 01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:50,319 risk losing his security clearance. No, he's not going to 1380 01:25:50,399 --> 01:25:54,479 do that. Do you think Sean Kirkpatrick is going to 1381 01:25:55,199 --> 01:26:00,920 go after he exits Arrow and is given this cushy 1382 01:26:01,039 --> 01:26:06,920 job at Oakridge National Laboratories. You think that he's going 1383 01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:11,880 to go on the Wall Street Journal or whatever, a 1384 01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:18,239 sort of podcast or whatnot and defame Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna, 1385 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:23,239 calling her Luna and her lunatics. You really think Sean 1386 01:26:23,319 --> 01:26:27,640 Kirkpatrick and Tim Phillips are going to do these things 1387 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:33,680 without top cover. No, absolutely not. There is no way 1388 01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:39,840 that these folks did this just because they were expressing 1389 01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:44,880 their personal views. There's absolutely no way. Here is how 1390 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:53,479 the Legacy Program operates. It's basically run like a crime family, 1391 01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,399 like a modern crime family that has been around for 1392 01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:57,880 a very long time. 1393 01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:02,399 Speaker 3: It is a power structure or a criminal organization. 1394 01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:07,159 Speaker 1: And the way this thing thing works it's spread out 1395 01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:12,560 across multiple nodes of government, is you have somebody moving 1396 01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:16,560 up the ladder and they are maybe five years out 1397 01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:22,159 from retirement and someone from the Legacy Program or the 1398 01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:29,319 CIA identifies this individual as a potential for becoming a 1399 01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:33,960 made man or a made woman of joining the crime family. 1400 01:27:35,119 --> 01:27:40,319 And about five years out or somewhereabouts, somebody comes into 1401 01:27:40,359 --> 01:27:43,079 them or comes and approaches them and says, hey, we've 1402 01:27:43,119 --> 01:27:50,239 got this special access program that's quite large. It's under 1403 01:27:50,319 --> 01:27:55,359 different SAPs and caps, and how would you like to 1404 01:27:55,399 --> 01:27:57,439 be read onto this thing? 1405 01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:04,239 Speaker 3: And when you when you're read onto this thing, your two. 1406 01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:10,840 Speaker 1: Three hundred thousand dollars a year retirement is going to 1407 01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,439 become a five hundred to you know, I'm making it 1408 01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,800 up million dollars a year retirement. And of course that 1409 01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:21,359 person's going to go, oh, yeah, this sounds great, and 1410 01:28:21,399 --> 01:28:25,760 then they get read in to this uh little uh 1411 01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:28,720 a dirty little secret of what our government has been 1412 01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:33,119 up to for eighty plus years. And part of the deal, 1413 01:28:34,079 --> 01:28:38,520 they're going to say, Okay, you're into this, you're you know, 1414 01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:42,199 you've signed on the dotted line, and we've got two 1415 01:28:42,319 --> 01:28:45,479 things right now we're going to ask of you. We 1416 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,279 have two favors. We're doing you a favor, and we 1417 01:28:49,319 --> 01:28:52,159 have two things we want you to do for us. 1418 01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,840 Number one, you're going to continue to do your job 1419 01:28:57,359 --> 01:28:59,880 just as you've been doing it. You're not taking on 1420 01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:04,560 any additional responsibility. You just keep doing what you're doing 1421 01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:09,000 as if this conversation never happened. But at some point 1422 01:29:09,399 --> 01:29:11,960 you're going to get a call and we're going to 1423 01:29:12,079 --> 01:29:16,520 ask you to do something, and we're going to ask 1424 01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,640 you to do something, and you may your security clearance 1425 01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:23,720 may get flagged. You may you know, you may go 1426 01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:28,000 and disparage members of Congress. You may go do this, 1427 01:29:28,199 --> 01:29:31,880 that and the other, and you know, and you may 1428 01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:36,720 get into some hot water. But we have people. Just 1429 01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,920 give it a year. We've got people that are going 1430 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:40,960 to take care of that. We're going to get that 1431 01:29:41,079 --> 01:29:43,720 swept under the rug, and you're not going to have 1432 01:29:44,199 --> 01:29:45,000 any issues. 1433 01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:48,760 Speaker 3: So just do what you're doing. We're going to hit 1434 01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,039 you up at some point and ask a favor. 1435 01:29:52,279 --> 01:29:55,560 Speaker 1: The second thing the Legacy Program does with these individuals 1436 01:29:55,680 --> 01:30:01,119 Legacy Program and the CIA, the second direct that they 1437 01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:05,600 give to these people that they are making made men 1438 01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:10,399 or made women is they say, when you're close to retirement, 1439 01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:18,880 your job is to find two people, two people that 1440 01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:23,479 you think want to be in the family, and your 1441 01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:27,079 job is to give them the same speech I'm giving 1442 01:30:27,159 --> 01:30:32,600 you right now and that's how the cycle works. That's 1443 01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:37,399 how these people get roped in and uh and you know, 1444 01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:42,079 and it's like any any crime family. You you uh, 1445 01:30:42,359 --> 01:30:44,479 you don't. You don't do anything. You don't speak out 1446 01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:50,800 of school. You certainly don't squeal. If you sit and 1447 01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:55,159 you uh salute smartly and say yes sir, yes, ma'am. 1448 01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:56,640 Speaker 3: Uh. 1449 01:30:56,680 --> 01:31:00,159 Speaker 1: The the crime family takes care of you. The crime 1450 01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:05,399 family takes care of your family. You're you are set 1451 01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:11,359 for life because you just like any mob, which is 1452 01:31:11,399 --> 01:31:16,880 exactly how the Legacy program is operating in conjunction with 1453 01:31:17,079 --> 01:31:21,600 the Defense Industrial Complex and the f fr d c's 1454 01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:24,800 the federal. 1455 01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,720 Speaker 3: I forget the name name, but it's basically oak Ridge. 1456 01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:32,720 Speaker 1: I think it's a federally funded research development centers. These 1457 01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,720 whole things, these entities that are part of this whole 1458 01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:42,720 corrupt enterprise. If you're one of the chosen few, and 1459 01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:48,920 it's not about rank, it's about pedigree, you can join 1460 01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:54,880 the family. You will be financially set. But you damn 1461 01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:58,560 well don't talk to Congress. You damn well don't talk 1462 01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:02,640 to the press, and you do everything that we ask you, 1463 01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:11,399 even if it includes slandering American veterans such as Bob 1464 01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:16,520 Jacobs or you know, just about anyone. You know, you 1465 01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:20,520 you you these folks, they literally sell their sell their 1466 01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:25,319 souls to the devil. You know. We now know that uh, 1467 01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,079 former Vice President Dick Cheney was one of the main 1468 01:32:28,119 --> 01:32:32,239 gatekeepers of this. Uh. There is an article that just 1469 01:32:32,319 --> 01:32:38,399 came out from the from the Liberation Times talking about 1470 01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,880 uh on blanken on his name. Uh. But if you 1471 01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,640 go to Liberation Times, there are two other people that 1472 01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:48,479 Chris Sharp, an amazing journalist, has has exposed. 1473 01:32:49,079 --> 01:32:56,000 Speaker 3: But you know, but this corruption, it just can't can't continue. 1474 01:32:56,159 --> 01:33:01,119 Speaker 1: There was just recently I had a conversation with a 1475 01:33:01,159 --> 01:33:04,399 retired individual who was very high up in the Pentagon 1476 01:33:05,319 --> 01:33:11,439 who said to me, Matt, the corruption that is running 1477 01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:17,159 rampant in our government, in our intelligence community, the corruption 1478 01:33:17,319 --> 01:33:21,239 in the f FR, d CS, in the Defense industrial complex, 1479 01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:28,840 in the executive branch. That corruption will never end until 1480 01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:34,000 they deal with the UAP issue. The UAP issue is 1481 01:33:34,319 --> 01:33:37,920 the root of it. And from what I was told, 1482 01:33:38,399 --> 01:33:44,039 it went into overdrive in under Dick Cheney. That was 1483 01:33:44,079 --> 01:33:47,520 apparently when it completely went off the rails. 1484 01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:53,840 Speaker 3: And you know, it's just it's it's sad when. 1485 01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:57,359 Speaker 1: You hear you know, I've I've experienced harassment by a 1486 01:33:58,279 --> 01:34:01,399 government contractor at a at at a. 1487 01:34:01,359 --> 01:34:02,439 Speaker 3: Hotel in Vegas. 1488 01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:07,159 Speaker 1: Following publishing that CIA article that Chris Sharp, Josh Boswell 1489 01:34:07,199 --> 01:34:11,680 and I wrote for The Daily Mail, I've experienced that 1490 01:34:12,199 --> 01:34:17,079 I've had helicopters circling my home. You hear Bob Jacobs 1491 01:34:17,159 --> 01:34:22,000 talk about his mailbox being blown up. You listen to 1492 01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:28,239 recent congressional testimony from whistleblowers about their break lines being 1493 01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:32,239 cut or their security clearance being being flagged so that 1494 01:34:32,279 --> 01:34:36,159 they can't pay the mortgage. This is the kind of 1495 01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:43,199 corruption that this criminal enterprise called the Legacy Program, in 1496 01:34:43,279 --> 01:34:49,319 conjunction with with with the Central Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon, 1497 01:34:49,359 --> 01:34:56,159 the Department of Energy, all the ffrdc's. That's that's what 1498 01:34:56,279 --> 01:35:00,560 that's what's happening. And here is what they are counting on. 1499 01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:06,479 Number one. And I said this last year around them 1500 01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:11,720 in the springtime, since the beginning of January, the Legacy Program, 1501 01:35:12,199 --> 01:35:17,880 slash DoD slash IC launched a communications plan, a comms 1502 01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:24,359 plan to defame all the whistleblowers. They wanted. They want 1503 01:35:24,399 --> 01:35:32,039 to they want to essentially paint all these whistleblowers as grifters. 1504 01:35:32,359 --> 01:35:35,920 That's what they're gonna do the Wall Street Journal. That 1505 01:35:36,039 --> 01:35:38,239 is one of the things they're working on. Another article. 1506 01:35:38,319 --> 01:35:41,000 Joel Scheckman and a Runa vus Wanifa are trying to 1507 01:35:41,039 --> 01:35:46,479 write another article, likely on behalf of whoever's paying them 1508 01:35:47,079 --> 01:35:49,760 or paying the editor at the Wall Street Journal. And 1509 01:35:50,039 --> 01:35:52,520 one of the apparently one of the main focuses of 1510 01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:57,720 this article is to put out the narrative that whistleblowers 1511 01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:02,199 like Bob Jacobs, David gus Loyel Azando, all these others 1512 01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:05,119 are nothing but grifters. They're all in it for the money. 1513 01:36:06,119 --> 01:36:09,680 That's exactly what they're going to do. And then the 1514 01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,880 other thing, And you saw this in the Wall Street 1515 01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:16,119 Journal article, the first Wall Street Journal article that came 1516 01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:20,279 out from Joel Schckman and a Runa vus Wanatha, basically 1517 01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:25,880 a pile of bullshit from the Wall Street Journal shoveled 1518 01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:30,600 right to the American public. You notice at the end 1519 01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:36,000 of that article they went after Bob Sallas. They went 1520 01:36:36,079 --> 01:36:42,359 after Bob Sallas's experience with UAPs. Bob Sallas, as many 1521 01:36:42,399 --> 01:36:47,439 of you know, is a retired nuclear launch control officer 1522 01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:52,079 who had UAP disable his entire flight of Minuteman nuclear 1523 01:36:52,119 --> 01:36:57,720 tipped ICBMs ICBMs with live nuclear missiles, And of course 1524 01:36:58,119 --> 01:37:02,640 Joel Sheckman at the Wall Street Journal puts out this 1525 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:08,159 kakamani bullshit explanation that they were just that they were 1526 01:37:08,359 --> 01:37:11,720 emp testing, that they drove up this eighteen wheeler and 1527 01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:16,800 full of electronic equipment and erected all of these towers 1528 01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,560 that required concrete bases, and they were doing E and 1529 01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:23,560 P hardening tests on the on the on these missiles. 1530 01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:26,880 And you know, you read that, you read this in 1531 01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:30,439 the Wall Street Journal, and you're like, you know, do 1532 01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,720 they think they're stupid? But they act they actually do. 1533 01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:36,880 But you have to ask yourself, why would the Wall 1534 01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:43,199 Street Journal focus on the nuclear angle? And here's why. 1535 01:37:44,079 --> 01:37:51,119 Here is why that disinformation, that propaganda was published written 1536 01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:55,319 by A. Runavuswanatha and Joel Scheckman in the in the 1537 01:37:55,399 --> 01:37:59,279 Wall Street Journal. Because the Legacy Program and the IC 1538 01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:04,960 and the DoD no that so long as members of 1539 01:38:05,079 --> 01:38:11,319 Congress believe that UAPs are tampering with our strategic nuclear deterrent, 1540 01:38:12,279 --> 01:38:14,079 that they have to look into this stuff. 1541 01:38:16,199 --> 01:38:17,960 Speaker 3: This stuff's been going on. 1542 01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:24,359 Speaker 1: You know, since Bob Jacobs and Robert Sallas and David 1543 01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:29,960 Shindley and others. It continues to this day. So if 1544 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,920 you want to shut Congress down, you tell them there's 1545 01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,840 nothing to see here with this whole UAP nuclear connection. 1546 01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:43,079 If there's nothing to see here, then it's not a 1547 01:38:43,159 --> 01:38:47,720 national security threat. That is why they are doing it. 1548 01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:54,119 And then you ask yourself, why do people like doctor 1549 01:38:54,119 --> 01:39:00,880 Sean Kirkpatrick go and throw Anna Polina Luna, who you know, 1550 01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,399 I'm a Democrat, She's not on my side of the aisle, 1551 01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:07,039 but I damn well support everything she does for this 1552 01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:09,600 country when it comes to this topic. The same with 1553 01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:13,520 Eric Burlison and other Republicans. You know, we have to 1554 01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:17,760 get to our to the point where we can, you know, 1555 01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,760 call balls and strikes. So when when somebody that doesn't 1556 01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,039 politically agree with you, they do something good for the country, 1557 01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:29,640 you should hold them up. And the reason that you 1558 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:34,760 have Sean Kirkpatrick and others calling Anna Paulina Luna and 1559 01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:40,159 her lunatics that kind of language, it's aimed at the 1560 01:39:40,199 --> 01:39:44,680 members of Congress, and why what they want to do, 1561 01:39:45,159 --> 01:39:49,279 what the Legacy Program, the Pentagon, and the intelligence community 1562 01:39:49,319 --> 01:39:52,720 want to do. They want to scare the hell out 1563 01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:59,960 of lawmakers and message publicly that holding hearings looking into 1564 01:40:00,079 --> 01:40:04,560 this topic is a waste of taxpayer dollars. We all 1565 01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,600 know members of Congress the number one thing that they're 1566 01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,479 afraid of are their constituents, because they're the ones that 1567 01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:13,479 put them in there. So if the Wall Street Journal, 1568 01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:18,119 Sean Kirkpatrick and others can go and name call Anna 1569 01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:23,600 Polina Luna or Eric Berlason or Tim Burshett, the reason 1570 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,520 they're doing it is they want to get into their 1571 01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,520 heads and they want them to start going, oh shit, 1572 01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:33,159 you know, my constituents are gonna think that I'm throwing 1573 01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:34,000 away money here. 1574 01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,199 Speaker 3: They want them to stop looking into it. 1575 01:40:40,159 --> 01:40:43,520 Speaker 1: That is why they have engaged in these kinds of 1576 01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:48,399 attacks on members of Congress. And I'll say another thing too, 1577 01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:54,000 to my party, this has been predominantly a Republican issue, 1578 01:40:54,239 --> 01:40:57,279 and the Democratic Party, damn well, has to wake up 1579 01:40:57,319 --> 01:40:58,159 to this reality. 1580 01:40:58,680 --> 01:40:59,600 Speaker 3: This needs to. 1581 01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:04,680 Speaker 1: Be a widely bipart is an issue because it matters 1582 01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:11,359 to the national security of this country. This is happening 1583 01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:16,880 non human intelligence and whatever these vehicles are, they are 1584 01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:21,439 interacting with our military, They are around our commercial flights. 1585 01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:26,920 They are operating with impunity over restricted airspace, and the 1586 01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:31,079 Pentagon and the intelligence community are lying to Congress, and 1587 01:41:31,159 --> 01:41:35,960 they are lying to all of you, and at some 1588 01:41:36,119 --> 01:41:42,399 point we have to say enough is enough. So when 1589 01:41:42,399 --> 01:41:46,600 the Pentagon tells you this is all balloons, this is 1590 01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:54,479 all air trash, there's no evidence of extraterrestrial activity, they're 1591 01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:59,119 lying to you. They know it. They've been lying to 1592 01:41:59,159 --> 01:42:03,840 you for a very very long time, and we have 1593 01:42:04,359 --> 01:42:07,279 to put a stop to it. It can't continue on. 1594 01:42:08,199 --> 01:42:12,640 So how can you at home do the right thing 1595 01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:19,640 and keep this keeping on to to shut down the 1596 01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:22,279 forces that be at the Wall Street Journal, the Pentagon, 1597 01:42:23,239 --> 01:42:27,760 the Department of Energy, the intelligence community, to to uh 1598 01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:31,000 stop them from shutting all of this down, which is 1599 01:42:31,079 --> 01:42:34,159 what they're trying to do. Apparently, George Knapp said that 1600 01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:37,600 there's something coming this fall, a little plot they're hatching 1601 01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:41,960 to try and shut this whole conversation down. How you 1602 01:42:42,039 --> 01:42:47,600 at home, watching right now can keep that from happening 1603 01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:56,079 is to write an email, call your lawmakers, your members 1604 01:42:56,079 --> 01:43:00,079 of Congress, your senator, and tell them that the the 1605 01:43:00,159 --> 01:43:07,479 UAP issue is a significant national security issue, possibly a 1606 01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:11,359 national security threat. And if your member, if you're a 1607 01:43:11,359 --> 01:43:15,720 member of Congress, is Timbershett or Annapolina Luna or Eric Berlson, 1608 01:43:17,079 --> 01:43:21,439 or the handful of Democrats that have the balls to 1609 01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:25,560 deal with this thing. Call them up and thank them 1610 01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:30,039 for what they are doing. Because they are exerting an 1611 01:43:30,279 --> 01:43:36,680 enormous amount of political capital, risking their political future futures 1612 01:43:37,319 --> 01:43:42,920 by speaking up against this. So call them up, thank them. 1613 01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,039 I'm sure they are most of their calls all day 1614 01:43:45,039 --> 01:43:47,279 are people bitching about one thing or the other. But 1615 01:43:47,399 --> 01:43:51,920 call them up and tell them, good job, Good job Timbershett, 1616 01:43:52,079 --> 01:43:56,439 good job, Eric Berlison, good job, Anna Polina Luna, good 1617 01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:58,680 job Senator Jellibrandon, others. 1618 01:43:59,239 --> 01:44:00,640 Speaker 3: These folks need to hear. 1619 01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:05,880 Speaker 1: From us that we are paying attention. We expect them 1620 01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:09,520 to do the right thing because it affects the national 1621 01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:13,720 security of the United States and frankly the world. But 1622 01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:17,199 take the time to thank them. Folks. 1623 01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:18,119 Speaker 3: Thanks for tuning in. 1624 01:44:18,399 --> 01:44:21,960 Speaker 1: We have really some amazing interviews that are going to 1625 01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:25,479 be coming up. And of course, if you enjoyed this episode, 1626 01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,800 super chats again are a great way to financially support 1627 01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:30,960 our work, pay to keep the lights on, pay the 1628 01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:34,239 rent here in our building. We do not have sponsors. 1629 01:44:35,119 --> 01:44:37,000 I do not have any kind of sugar Daddy or 1630 01:44:37,039 --> 01:44:42,720 Sugar Mama paying the bills. It is our show. 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