Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Matt Ford and welcome to another live
episode of The Good Trouble Show. Today's guest is a
former Air Force Captain Emmy Winning, a filmmaker and one
of the earliest military whistleblowers to go on the record
about UFO encounters. Here to discuss his latest book, Farewell
the Tranquil Mind, and to talk about what the hell
is going on with this whole UFO thing. Please welcome
Bob Jacobs, Doctor Jacobs, how are you, sir?
Speaker 2: OHI man, Nice to see you again.
Speaker 1: Nice to see it has been a while, so I
don't remember. Do you prefer doctor Jacobs or Bob or
what do you like?
Speaker 2: I am just good old homespun exerminated Bob.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well, great well Bob, welcome back to the show.
How have you been are you? Are you surviving this
icy weather? Are you experiencing any of it? You clearly
have your you have your power.
Speaker 2: We do. We have snowmageddon down here other than the
Ozarks now where the southwest Missouri meets about the West
Ark and saw just at my mic and it's very,
very seldom we have snow. We had about ten inches
last night, so we're enjoying it, and people are snow
as they go. What's that if we if we have
half an inch of snow, they close the highways, shut
this Google down, We're out, and you fill up on
food at Walmart and gasoline cans. But we all survive.
I love it in the Ozarks. I have to tell
you about I should have been born here.
Speaker 3: I have never been, so maybe one day I'll come visit.
Speaker 2: Matt. You come down here, I'll show you the world's
best aquarium and the world's best natural history museum where
I happen to work. It's a Johnny Morris's Natural History
Museum and aquarium, and we're the best museum, the best
aquarium in America five years running.
Speaker 1: Come on down, I will do you know. It's funny.
My uncle who lives in Baltimore, he volunteered at the
aquarium in baltim Morning. He did it for quite some
time and he really really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: So I went to visit him.
Speaker 1: There, and I think that was the last time I
ever went to an aquarium. So with this weather, are
you gonna drive around to do any four wheeling or
anything like that?
Speaker 3: You staying home?
Speaker 2: I have a three year old motorcycle and a jeep
and I can drive into a walk. But I just
love my house so much. I can't tell you what
a pleasure it is to live down here in the
southern part of the country, where life is different, life
is slower, people are friendlier. I believe we don't have
a lot of people in welfare here because they work,
and we don't have a lot of crime and violence
down here in the Ozarks. Well with the big cities
are big cities. I think in fact that all big
cities yours included same asylums. People live in a big
city and nuts to live there. You want to you
want to think I'm wrong, Go out and look down
your street and see if there's anna be homeless down there,
anybody's stealing something, any any traffic jams for eighteen miles
on the four one. Give you a try.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I trust me. I'm well aware. So, Bob,
we're obviously very super excited to have you back. And folks,
at the end of the show, doctor Jacobs will be
taking your questions. So during the interview, think about what
questions you want to ask and then put them in
all caps in the chat. So after Bob and I we.
Speaker 3: Have our little little discussion. He will be taking your question.
Speaker 1: So that is exactly why we are live here today.
And Bob, this is your third appearance on the show.
But for our viewers that are new to your whole story,
if you don't mind first tell us about your Air
Force career for sure.
Speaker 2: Let me let me start with I used to work
for I went to you as see film school, and
right out of school, I went to work for Walt
Disney shooting true life adventures. And they came home from
a shooting the Caribbean and went to my mom's house
out in Anaheim, and she said, Bob, you've got a
letter here from somebody. So I opened the letter, which
from the President of the United States. I'm like, whooh,
open the hanvelope and says you are here, boy, inducted
into this. So I got a draft notice. Young folks
don't know what draft notices are, but boy, were they
an interruption. So I got drafted into the military, and
I was due to go down to Los Angeles and
enter the army. And I got a telephone call my
mom's house and it was a tech sergeant Chastain. He
called said Bob Jacobs. I said yes. He said, well,
I'm started to Terry Chastain with the Air Force recruiter.
He said, now you've got a draft notice and I
went yes. He said, and you've been ordered to come
in and join the army and I went yes. He said, well,
you went to USC and you got a degree in film.
How did he know all this? He said, I said yes,
and he said you've been working for Walt Disney. I
went yeah. He said, well, I've got a proposition for you.
You can go in the Army and get your ass
shot off, or you can join the Air Force. We'll
make you a motion picture officer instead of in two
years to four years, but you'll come back alive. And
I took a second half and said I'll take it.
So I went to the Air Force the lack of
the Air Force base and I went to basic training.
Then I went to Office Training School. I got out
of there at the top of my class, which was
not terribly hard, and was assigned to VanderBurg Air Force Base.
When I got to VanderBurg, my commanding officer Luke Clement
and my operations officer Ken Callahan had been at USC
when I was there. They were there on a government
the expedition of some sort, so we all said, well, hi, USA, truges,
go go go. They made me officer in charge of
the Photo Optical Instrumentation Section of the thirteen to sixty
ninth Photo Squadron at VanderBurg Air Force Base. Of our job,
I had about three or four million dollars worth of equipment,
one hundred and thirty five men technicians. Our job was
to photograph every single ICBM missile launch from Bundsburg Air
Force Base, test missiles and so forth. We launched at
least four or five of those a week, so we
had a big job out. The instrumentation meant we were
to photograph the missile from three separate places around the
missile launch with trackers. We would shoot up like that
and watch the missile go away. We had thirty four
other cameras located on tripods and stanchions all around that,
so we photographed everything that happened to that missile from
the time it said ignition to the time it was gone.
We had high speed instrumentation cameras RANNY four hundred five,
four hundred and five hundred frames per second. We had
culture cameras, big things. We had tracking mounts, and we
spent I don't know a lot of money on each launch.
I did that for let's see. I was there for
two years doing that, and I got accommodation medals and
I won the Gutted Missile Insignia, the Air Force Missile
Badge awarded for making a significant contribution to America's missilin
space program, which I was pretty happy with. The one
day a Major Mansman, Florence J. Mansman, from the First
to Teach care Command Headquarters at Vanderberg, called me up.
We had worked together for a while. He called me.
I said, Lieutenant, come up to my office please. I
wasn't a captain then, by the way, I was a lieutenant.
I became a captain later. So went up his office.
He said, have you ever been to Big Serve? And
I said, curiously enough, I have. When I was in college.
I owned an mg TV car and I used to
drive up to Big Sur to go to the panton
and listen to beat poetry. Wow.
Speaker 1: He said, oh no, no, go ahead, sorry, I cleared
my I cleared my throat a little bit.
Speaker 3: Well stop, please, please, please please please continue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Big Sur is a great place. Obviously, Gnvy
Miller wrote a book called The Big Sir in the
Oranges of anonymous bosh. I except do you expect you
to go buy that? So I went up to Big
Sir and mix the Forest Service up there, and what
the assignment was was, can you go up there and
find a place where we can put a tracking mount
up on the peak just looking back toward Vanderburgh. Because
the engineers at Boeing and McConnell, Douglas and everyplace else, well,
I don't know if we could shoot a launch from
the side, because with our trackers at at Vanderberg we
were shooting ride up the tailpike. So I went up there,
went up to cost Anderson Peak on a forest service
road and I look back toward Vanderberg. Now get your
map out. If you look at Big Sir, it sticks
out in the ocean farther than Vanderburgh. So if Big
stra is here, then Vanderberg is down here. So if
the missile's going like this, obviously you can see it
from the side. So I took a camera up there,
and sure enough we launched a missile. I got the can.
Everybody was ecstatic. Look, we can see it from the side.
I got a commendation letter from this, from that and
from Boeing for finally giving him a side view. Anyway,
a couple of weeks later after that test, Major Management
called me up and he said, I once you go
back up to your side at Vanderburgh at a big sir,
because something's coming out there and I want something. He
said to just go up there and wait. So I
went up to Anderson Peak and waited. Two days later,
a big eighteen road truck arrived hauling this device I'd
never seen before. It was a two thousand, five hundred
engine inch Canada optic telescope on a huge amount that
they hauled up the road and they said, we're going
to photograph when your launches with this telescope, to see
how close we can get to it and how long
we can stay on it as it goes down range. Well,
I sent you to think a picture of that telescope
and maybe you exceed it a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah me. Actually, I have a few photos that I
would love to show, so we'll start with this.
Speaker 3: So, uh, what do you what are you photographing here?
Speaker 2: I bought alike. I can remember likeas they that's alike,
whether I do find Drew. I was just testing it
to say how close I could get to an object
with it. I bought that for one hundred and twenty
five bucks, that little camera I was just testing out.
My serge was out there, my tech, my master sid
was out there and he said, hey, hold it to lieutenant,
I'll get a picture of So that's what that came about.
Speaker 3: So about what year would this have been?
Speaker 2: That year would have been late nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, wow, okay, I love that. Love that.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 3: Right then, see we have here's another one we have.
Speaker 2: Yes. To the left is Operations Officer Captain Ken Callahan,
my CEO. In the middle is the Major Lewis Clement,
And that's me on the right talking to my camera
and saying, hey, move That's why my mouth is up
and I'm telling the fact, hey move over and get
a better shot any rate. That's why that was a
commander's office at the thirteen sixty Nights Photographic Squadron.
Speaker 1: You look like a giant. Were you were you like
the tallest person in your squadron?
Speaker 2: I wasn't right six to two, okay, Ken was really
small guy. Lou was just a little tall than Kim.
That was a big guy. I played football at USC.
Speaker 3: Oh, well there's enough said there.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's me in my office. Yeah, I love that.
I loved my job there. I actually just really liked
the job. I was learning a lot about high speed instrumentation,
cameras and missiles and and all sorts of technical things
that I had never learned at USC. And I learned
how to manage. I managed one hundred and thirty five
man unit and got a commendation for that and so on,
and I just enjoyed it. There are other aspects of
my airport career later on, though I did not enjoy
it very much. But this was a wonderful three and
a half years at Van Derberg.
Speaker 1: You know, looking at that photo for the kids, the
kids watching the show, little that little thing attached to
the top of the of the handset of the of
the telephone at the right or frame, which I haven't
seen in a very long time, was this.
Speaker 3: It was like a shoulder rest.
Speaker 1: Of course, this is all before speaker phones and you know,
way before cell phones. But you know, you would have
that thing on the hand on the handset and it
would just sit on your shoulder. Yeah, excuse me exactly.
All right, let's see next one here.
Speaker 2: That was a long time ago, all right. Now here
we are. This is a photograph of the actual site
at Big Sir of the The tolescope is behind us
and you're looking at Here is me in the the
patrol cap and the MG jacket because we were told
not to wear uniforms up there, because we didn't want
to get the civilian population excited that we were military
up there missing around in their forest. But two officers
came up to visit that day. The one on the
far right with cap on that is Major Mansman. Behind
me is the chief Warrant Officer, Guy Spooner, and in
front of me is mister Paulson. He was the guy
who brought the camera out from Cape Canaveral.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I wasn't sure if he was the craft
service guy in the bottom bringing the bringing the coffee
on the set.
Speaker 2: He was actually guy in charge of that telescope. So
he was quite an important guy, a very nice guy too.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, well I'll bet. Okay.
Speaker 3: Let's see here, so this is is this a telescope?
Speaker 1: Here? What is this?
Speaker 2: Make sure to the Boston University telescope. You can see
it's on a huge mount it's it's pointed down range
right now, start up in the air. The thing in
the back there that you see, that square thing with
the cable coming out of it, that's where the telescope
focused and focusing there. It sent the image down through
that cable to a thirty five millimeters Mitchell camera inside
that that black hood there, And it was called a
chinoscope recording. Do you remember those from early television. Oh yeah,
we made a kinescope recording, you know, what the telescope
was viewing. So consequently we couldn't see what the telecope
telescope was shooting it at the time. We had to
wait till we developed the film to see what we had.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So it's not like a telescope that has
a viewfinder that you can look through and see what
it's looking at. No, So that it would go ahead.
Speaker 2: If it fed through that cable onto us a namage
arthic on two big round image to Okio tube and
that was where the image was and we photographed that
tube with thirty five millimeters Mitchell camera.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So and is it strict tracking on radar?
Like what what would sort of start it on its
on its course?
Speaker 2: It was tracking initially by two operators, one each side
of it, one turnar camera this way or handled this way,
and then as it got up further they simply locked
on with radar and let it sit there.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, gotcha?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Cool? Yeah, now that's that's that's been fantastic. Yeah, that
is quite quite a big rig. So what does it
say a small small image worth the con now is
was this thing on like an old machine gun turret?
Speaker 3: Or am I did I misread that somewhere?
Speaker 2: No, our trackers at Vandburg were on machine gun forty
five machine gun mounts. This thing was on a thing
that but look at the back end of a big
rig going on the highway, you know it was that big?
Speaker 1: Okay all right?
Speaker 3: So uh so let's get into the really really fun stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about coffee and craft services at
the at the telescope. Let's talk about UFOs. I understand
from your base commander that you were messing around up there.
Speaker 3: Is that is there any truth to that?
Speaker 2: Let me tell you exactly how that cal that came about.
We photographed a launch from an Atlas missile. The code
name was Butterfly Net. It left Ontember fifteenth, nineteen sixty four.
We photographed it with that telescope, but we had no
idea what we had seen at the telescope at the
site because it was on the ion and was in
the initial camera. I took the film back to Vanderburgh
that day, turned over to the thirteenth sixty and Night
Processing Lab to be processed. They processed the film, they
sent it up to Major Mansman's office in First Rategic
Caare Command. And I was sitting in my office one
day and the phone rang. A couple of two days
after the event at Big Sermon, the phone rang. It
was Major Manasman. He said, Tenant Jacobs, come to my office.
So I, when a major tells you to do something,
you simply do it, don't you. So I went to
his office. I Doctor. I tapped on the door. He said, enter.
I came in the enter and entered his office. And
here's what I saw. I came into his office and
there was a table in the middle of the office
with a foom projector on it. On the far wall,
there was a daylight. They called d A L. I T.
Speaker 1: I remember those from elementary school, That's.
Speaker 2: What it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there were two guys in civilian suits standing across
the VA from me and Major mans Men. I walked in.
Major Manson looked at me and said, come over here
and sit down. So he came. I came, and I said,
down right next to the table with these projector on it.
The two guys and civilian suit stood on the fire
wall and stared at me quite not politely. They just
stared at me. Major Manson said, I watched this, and
he turned the projector and he said, now watch this. There.
What it came on was the full frame holding just
the three nozzles of that missile from one hundred and
thirty eight miles away. An amazing shot. We followed the
thing up and up through all three stages of powered
flight and beautiful, pristine black and white film and I said, wait,
that's very nice. Look at that, and he said, just
watch this. At the point of which we had lost
sight of the thing on the site, the huge telescope
was still tracking it. We saw it moved along through
the blackness of mere space at about sixty miles altitude
and suddenly the frame holding that device right here. Something
else entered. The frame came in like this. If this
was the UFO, if this was the warhead, it came
the It shot a beam of light, hit the warhead,
flew up here, shot another beam of light, Get the warhead.
Came over here, shot other beam of away gheit the warhead,
shot another being of light here, get the warhead, and
flew out of the frame. The film stopped. Major Mansman
turned out the projector and he said, were you guys
screwing around up there? I said no, sir. He said, well, then,
what the hell was that? I said, exactly this. It
looks to me like we go to UFO, he said,
pointed me. You are never to say that again. As
far as you're concerned. This didn't happen. And I was stunned,
because imagine this, I'm Ray Bradbury's son. We're into saying
speciment all about rockets and having fun and so on.
I had just seen something that blew my mind open.
I went internally because I couldn't say anything to him.
I went, my god, they're real, They're here, the biggest
event in human history, And I witnessed it. I witnessed
the UFO from some place somewhere, I don't know where
it came from, but it shot a nuclear war head
down that that was an act of war by an
unknown adversary, and it was showing us. Do you guys
keep scowing around these nuclear weapons? Will look, we can
erase them. Why don't you just stop it? I think
that's what the message was. I'm sitting there office and
he said, do you understand you will never to say
this again? And I went I want to say, fuck, no,
I don't understand. What's the matter with you?
Speaker 1: Of course right?
Speaker 2: But instead I said yes, sir, and I got up
and left the room. I was silent because that was
there was a security of violation possibility. I could have
been put in jail, shot I don't know people have
been shot for revealing information. And so I sat on
that for seventeen years. I didn't tell anybody, not the
guys who were there, not any of my colleagues at Vanderbergh,
not my wife, nobody. I just shut up.
Speaker 3: One to interrupt real quick.
Speaker 1: I just have to have a couple of questions. So
when you when you walked in there, the men in
the gray suits. They didn't shake your hand or introduce
themselves or anything.
Speaker 2: They just they stared at me. Wow tut. Turns out
they were CIA.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you were able to confirm that later.
Speaker 2: I was okay, CIA director.
Speaker 1: In fact, wow okay.
Speaker 2: I had an experience where I I let me explain
some some of the things have happened to me before
I get into my connection with the CIA and the FBI.
I lived with that information inside me for a long time,
and it ate at me, began to just bug me.
I began having strange experiences in my sleep. I'm not
sure what was going on. But finally I was teaching
at the university. Was concerned, osh gosh, and I was on.
I was on. I taught for a whole year, but
we were paid nine months. So every summer I'd have
to find something to do, and I'd choose some TV
commercials to write a couple of magazine articles. And I
was sitting in my farmhouse one day and I went,
I need to pay the mortgage, and so I said,
let me see what can I do. I thought that
UFO came back into my mind. I said, I hope
that I could sell that article. So I wrote an
article about the UFO experience I've just described to you,
and I looked for a for a publisher. Well. I
sent it to a Life magazine and a couple of
other man magazines. No interest, So I sold it to
the National Enquirer. They maybe two hundred and fifty bucks
for to paid my mortgage and forgot about it until
about three weeks after that article appeared. I started getting
telephone calls from various people. There was a guy named
Lee Graham who was a super UFO researcher. He started
tipping me to people like Robert Hastings, and suddenly I
was being bombarded and I started getting a odd telephone calls.
I'd be in my We have these phones now that
take messages first, right, I'm sure you'll remember machine. You
can go bunch the button beep and the answer I
come home from work and I bunch my answer machine.
It would say you talk too much, You're going down, motherfucker. Click.
That happened at least twice a week for two or
three months. My girlfriend now my wife, Max, and I
were to a movie one night, you know gosh. We
came home to the farmhouse and we walked in and
the phone rang. I picked it up and it said
fireworks in your mailbox at night, Oh the beautiful night.
You're going down, motherfucker. And my mailbox blew up. My
role mailbox exploded. I bought a gun. I have the
guns still and I will I pack, I practice, and
I don't miss. They tried to kill me, They threatened
my life. They they cost me two teaching jobs at
Maine and at Cleveland State, and harass me even today.
And when I talked to my friend Robert Hastis, we
will frequently be talking on the phone and suddenly something
go click and we hear some odd thing in the background,
like they're listening to us. Sounds weird, doesn't it does.
Speaker 1: I've actually had and we'll talk about Robert a little
bit later, but yeah, I've actually had had the same thing.
But hey, at least at least the guy calling had
really good taste in the nineteen sixties pop music. I
mean Skyrockets and flats one one of my one of
my all time all time favorites.
Speaker 2: Imagine that, Imagine that I was, I was at a
I was in the movie The Age of Discovery. One
of the people who've interviewed and There was a screening
in Austin, Texas a few months back, and lots of
people who were in that movie were there for the show.
You know, we we got together and I got to
meet a lot of the people in that movie. We
had discussions with lots of very credible witnesses to the
UFO incident. There was a guy there from the CIA.
I happened to who he was because Robert told me
who he was, Robert Hastings. I walked in the room
and I saw him across the room. He saw me,
and he smiled, and he started toward me, and they
got up posted and he said, he said, I know
who you are. And I said oh, And he I said,
are you When I say his name, he said, yes,
I am. Well, Robert had told me about him. I
said to him, well, so you were the guys who
blew up my mailbox. He's and said, no, that wasn't us,
But I know guys and my son it was true.
It was real.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Wow. And what happened in the course of that
conversation after that, I mean that that would that would
probably leave me pretty stunned.
Speaker 2: My conversation. Well, if you read my book, I have
I have. In fact, I've felt for fifty years with
this thing on my mind. I've been harassed, I've been threatened,
i been call names, I've been told I'm a grifter
and a grunt and a shithead. And so what what
can you do with something if you can't prove it?
If you have sixty years of things happening to you
all over the place, talking to people, engaging with people
who who have had experiences before, engaging with CIA, with
with in the military industrial complex, which I have, what
would you do with that information? Well, I could write
an article and say I talked to this guy and
he said this. But what I did was what Ray
Bradbury taught me to do once. He said, if something
bothers you, if someone bothers you, kill them. And I said,
what he said, write write a book. In the book,
take care of your demons, write them down, expose them,
Fictionalize the whole thing so that when people eat it,
they can understand it's about you, and it's about the
people you've met. But they don't they're not named. And
I've culled off some people.
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, right, Well you're clearly a bad ass.
Speaker 1: I knew you were a bad ass before, but now
you're definitely definitely a bad ass now. Now, Bob, we
have a clip here that is an animation of what
you described earlier. I just want to play that for
everyone at home here and feel free to comment as
we're playing along.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is an animation of the war head of
the nose cone of the Atlas missile up in space.
That flickering stuff there is little sheets of aluminium foil
that're sent out to dissuade the anti missile missile from
hitting it. The warhead goes into a higher orbit and
as it's flying along, something comes into the frame. It
fire's a beam of light at the warhead. Mh. It
goes up to the top of shoots another beam of
light down at the warhead, another beam of light, and
another and as out of the frame of the same
way it came in. That's what we saw. That's an
orders to pick what we saw right now.
Speaker 1: A couple a couple more questions about this. So if
I understand you correctly, I believe what you said earlier
during during the part that the UFO flew in when
you were when you were on the ground operating this
piece of equipment. You had lost visual contact with it, correctly,
so you had you had no idea what it occurred.
Speaker 2: That is correct. We couldn't we were it was no,
it was it was beyond our ocapability, our human nice
to see it at that point.
Speaker 1: And do you think major Mansmen and your good friends
in the c i A. When they brought you in,
do you think that they were fishing to see whether
you had seen it or it? Just it seems kind
of odd that, like what the purpose was of bringing
you in there if they knew that there's no way
you could have seen what happened. Sort of wondering about that.
Speaker 2: They had to bring me in because I was officer
in charge of that site. If anything had happened up there,
if we had been screwing around, if we had done
something odd, I would have been held. They had to
show me the film. I was the only one they.
Speaker 3: Showed it to, Okay, because that was going to be
my next question.
Speaker 1: Do you know if they brought anyone else in that
was underneath you to put them through the same sort
of gauntlet.
Speaker 2: I know for fact that they did not bring anybody
else in. There's a guy involved in this this issue
called Kingston George, who was a guy who worked at
Vanderberg at the time. He saw another shot shot, a
shot that was on the twenty second of September, not
this one. The thing he was talking about was a
code named Buzzing B. He claims he saw this thing
that I'm talking about, and that I made a mistake,
that there was no UFO, that there was some chaff
and debris I got. He had ada and he held
that until he died several years back in Santa Maria
where he was acted in little theater the thing that
I saw. And I've been contacted now by CIA and
FBI about this incident. They have shown me the film
the Kingston George talks about and I said, that's yes. Indeed,
I said, that's the one that Kingston George is talking about.
That's not mine. Now there's a guy named Timmy Phillips
who works for Aero, the anomost blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're going to talk about them later.
Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, yeah, I've We've got a few things
to talk about with arrow that uh And And as
I meant, and as I mentioned earlier, you are alone.
Speaker 2: You'll get there Timmy's mine.
Speaker 3: You need whom to be well, say that again.
Speaker 2: I said, when we get to there, Timmy is mine.
You let me have him.
Speaker 1: Okay, and you you are allowed to cuss on this show,
no filter, okay, okay, okay. So so so so you go,
you go public with this thing. And you mentioned Robert Hastings.
Now Robert has been on our show. Uh, he was
really one of the people that got me into this.
But for the people watching at home that may not
be familiar with Robert Hastings, Hastings, tell us a bit
about him and why he is related to to your
particular area of expertise.
Speaker 2: This is the only book you ever need to read
all about UFOs. This is Robert's book called UFOs and
New That's the book. By it. Look at it, you
don't know what you need to know about UFOs and
nuclear weapons. Robert is the best research in this field
of anybody who's ever lived and read that book. I
started getting calls, as I said, whom my article on
public in the National Acchoirer and Lee Graham, the researcher
from Monrovia, California, who worked in the aerospace industry by
the way, who was in touch with Robert Hastings. Lee
had also been in total me, so he gave Robert
Hastings my information and Robert contacted me. We started talking,
and I realized that I was talking with the ultimate
source of information about UFOs and the world. Robert said,
his book details with over one hundred and sixty people
like me, military people who had experience with UFOs and
influence and nuclear weapons. So his book is compendium of
all of us who had anything to do with the
subject and anything to really say about it. There are
people who have not say anything about it, but I
encourage them to talk to Robert as soon as possible.
He and I became not only associates, but friends and
later the collaborator on a book and so forth. I
just I think, River, it's going to be on your
show sometimes soon with the latest guy from Vanderberg. Yeah, Richard,
who's got another story that happened the exact same time
as mine. In fact, when you meet Richard, you'll you'll
like the guy.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I'm very much looking looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you were talking earlier about when you were
having like the clicking and the noises. When I first
began communicating with Robert, and you know, he's turned into
a good friend and just what he has done.
Speaker 3: For this whole topic.
Speaker 1: If it weren't for Robert, I'm not really sure we
would be where we are at today.
Speaker 2: I mean, really, I'm surely sure that's true. Matt. I
think he's the main guy we've got going for us.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But anyway, I was. I started talking to him
on the phone and I would get these weird clicks
on my cell phone. I'd talk and then I'd start
hearing echoes of my voice. I'd never you know, at
first I thought it.
Speaker 3: Was T Mobile.
Speaker 1: I like to call him team maybe because they're so shitty,
but they're cheap. But yeah, I told Robert that, and
he's like, oh, yeah, that's the boys back East listening in.
He said, in particular, when he is speaking with former military,
he really gets a lot of that.
Speaker 3: But I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 2: Yep, incredible. The skull degree about this subject is well,
it's something, my boy. I'm so physically sick by what's
going on in our country right know, all over the place,
the craziness, the the cut, your winging off and pretend
you're a girl, I mean, all this crazy stuff that's
going on in US and the government, politicians lying, and
and and so on. I'm more than disgusted with our
country right now. Not our country. Our country is just
flying if those of us who live in the counter
will goddamn get with it and take it back. But
what the government has done, or whoever, let me rephrase,
what the military industrial complex has done to this subject
we're talking about, is the is the crux of the matter.
If let's just say, if for a moment, we have
recovered crash crashed discs, if we have in our in
our file somewhere technology that we are certainly incapable of
do in ourselves, if we're reverse engine nearing it at
someplace like Boeing or Bigelow or many other places. Think
about that. If Bigelow or Boeing or any aerospace company
Martin Marietta or taking these crashed discs, reverse engineering and
using them to make things to make money, why would
they not want us to shut up about it? For example,
where did this thing come from? Well, where'd the chip
come from? That's in here? Where do we learn about
stealth aircraft? Where do we learn about I can take
this machine radio and talk to my daughter in the
army in Vircenza, Italy right now, with nothing more than
a punch of a button. How do we do that?
When did that happen? When did we make ninety five
inch television screens? The Ray Bradbury about Way wrote about
back in one of his books called The Velt, talked
about a wallside screen where the tigers and an African
elephants can come out of and get you. I remember
Dwight Eisenhower, our president, five star general who helped win
World War Two largely when he left office as president,
he said, I'm warrying you about the military industrial complex.
I'm not sure we listened, because the military industrial complex
right now, Let's see, since World War Two ended, have
we ever not been at war?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think one time we haven't been at war. We're
war right now. Oh yeah, baughter is serving over in
Italy right now as a paratrooper for God. I think
the military industrial complex is running our entry right now.
They do all kinds of things to us. They poison
us against each other, the bert democratic bullshit. The media
lies to us all the time. They're propaganda seeing who
they're supposed to hate today, who are supposed to hate tomorrow?
Do you hate Muslims? Christians? This whole thing is insane.
We are so much better as people than what we're
acting like right now, aren't we. Well. I think that
this issue that you and I are talking about UFOs,
the fact that non human entities from some place or
somewhere else are here with us, have been with us
for a very long time, are influencing our development, are
influencing I hope for the best of our or trek
toward the future. Somebody asked me once at a meeting
and said, well, Bob, what do you think are they
here to kill us? Matt, they were here to kill us,
we'd be dead. Their technology, their technology is so vastly
superior to us it might as well be magic. So
I don't think they're here to kill us. I hope
they're here to maybe straighten us out and make us
grow up. Look if if if we could live long enough,
if human beings could live a long enough life span, well,
I wonder if we could get wise, we can get smart.
Now we can listening here? Is it makes us able
to learn a lot of things. If that's being smart,
I'm not sure it is, But we have learned a
lot of crap. But can we get wise? Can we
ever come to the point where we don't give a
shit what religion you are because it doesn't matter. Can
we get to the point where it doesn't matter what
color your skin is, or what church you go to,
or if you go to church at all. Can we
ever get to that point because that's wisdom? Isn't it
come to the point where we understand, Look, racism is bullshit.
There's no racism. There's only one race. You me, everybody
on the street. It's called homo sapiens, sapiens, there's only
one of us. I've lived in seven countries and and
I traveled in thirty others. And everywhere I go, from
the Philippian Islands where I live, to all over Europe,
to the UK, to Mexico, to South America to the
islands of Way down South and the Pacific, I see people.
Everywhere I go is just us, just as people. And
I talk to everybody I meet, and I'm talking to
another man, another woman, another person with the same sort
of things that I need to have, place to sleep,
some deep friend, to talk to, somebody to love my God, Matt,
this crap has got to stop. We have to wise
up because because if we don't, our species is done
dead finished. I like Elon Musk because he's one of
the guys who follow us what Ray Bradbury talked about.
We have to get off the planet. Our species are
not going to exist because the planet's not going to
be here in another five billion years, is it's going
And if we don't get off of it, this experiment
of Homo safeien sapiens is over with. That's a terrible
waste considering home long we've been trying to get here
and learn and be wise and be friends and love
each other and have a good time and all that
sort of stuff. I'm that's why I wrote my book,
because I put everything I could not say in public
or say and prove into that book to say, look,
what if this happened? What if we got wise? Can
forget whise? If we just get smart?
Speaker 1: Man, I'm with you on that, And we're going to
talk about your book, and of course Arrow.
Speaker 3: We have some people at Arrow. I'm sure both of
you or both of.
Speaker 1: Us are not particularly big big fans of But before
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Speaker 3: So let's get back to Bob here.
Speaker 1: So there is a UFO u AP office in the Pentagon.
It's called ARROW. For those folks that aren't aware of this,
it's called the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. And I
understand that you have testified to them.
Speaker 3: Am I correct in that?
Speaker 2: You're absolutely correct?
Speaker 1: How was that?
Speaker 2: That's the kind of glaring and we ought.
Speaker 1: To take those what is best for you?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll tell you what. Robert Hastings called me one
day and he said, a good guy from DC has
called me. He said, he's working with Shanker Patrick with
something called ARROW, and he's read my book UFOs and
Nukes and he wants to know if some of the
people in that book would be willing to testify to ERROW.
So Robert said, would you? And I said sure? I'll
do that. Woods did, Terry Lovelace did, a couple other
people did, and I've heard from Arrow. The guy called
me from and he said his name, which I think
was Glenn or something like that. He said, I want
you to just go ahead and tell what you want
to tell about your phone counter. So I did. It
took about an hour for me to talk to this guy,
and he never questioned me. He just kept encouraging me
to go on and go on and go on. He said,
is there anything else you want to say? At the end,
I said, well, I've been waiting fifty years to tell
the government my story. And he said, well you just did,
and I felt exuper I thought, wow, it's happened. And
Mario Woods did the same thing. Robert Tolly that they
had several other people done it, and then something happened.
There was a congressional hearing where Shakra Patrick, the head
of Arrow, was to present a brief to Congress about
what the people, those of us who testified it said.
He came on in that hearing and he said, paraphrasing,
he said, we have found no evidence whatsoever of extraterrestrial
blah blah blah. I threw my book. At the television set,
I called Robert, I called several people. We were screaming
about what the hell is this guy doing? And we
still don't know. All I know is that he wide
because we all and more than us, dave lots of
people with the sensational information about the UFO situation testified.
He said, no, there's nothing here. He has said that
time and again. He just insulted Representative Luna by saying
she's the one who's currently investigating UFOs in Congress. He
called her Luna and her lunatics and went on and
on at us. Timmy Phillips has taken over, I guess
from Schunker Patrick, who has fled the fled the limelight
to get out of the way of people. Timmy Phillips
did something that I can't believe. I can't believe anybody
would be so stupid enough to do this. And maybe
it's because he's a marine. He was a marine. Marines
will do what they're told. Okay, you saw marine. You
give a marine order, the marine will do that order
or die. And I think maybe Tim Phillips being a marine,
is this the exact same guy they wanted to put there,
because say, Tim, you say this and that's that, And
so he did. Here's what he said he claimed about
my case, about me and my case. He said that
he went to Vanderbergh. They located the original film at
VanderBurg because it was archive there. He said, they cleaned
the film up, they made prince of it, and they
discovered that, sure enough, I had made a mistake. There
was no UFO there, it was just some chaff and debris.
And Jacobs obviously didn't know what he was talking about.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I was officer in charge of photo op insutation at Vanderberg.
I was in charge of every goddamn movement missile that
went down that I saw thousands of feet of film
with missiles. I knew exactly what I was looking at.
I knew exactly what I reported. And I also know this.
Tim Phillips lied through his fricking teeth. He did not
go to Vanderberg. The film in question was not archived
at Vanderburgh. It was never archived at Vanderburgh because Major
Mansman told me and said and verified that that very
day that I saw the film in his office, the
CIA operative cut the film off the reel with a
pair of scissors. Took that and took it away and
they flew the film back to East wherever that was.
It turned out to beca had voted quarters. Now the
film was never ever archived at Vanderberg, Timmy Lyon Pastor.
Speaker 1: So you're you're saying that the the former So so
we had doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, who was the original, uh,
the original director of Arrow. And after he departed and
and got his golden parachute, probably courtesy of the Legacy program,
and went to oak Ridge National Laboratories, Tim Phillips who
was the deputy director, he moved in uh to to
Shawn's uh spot. And you're you're saying that Tim Phillips,
the at the time the director of Arrow flat out
lied to the public.
Speaker 2: Here at the end exactly if if he said that,
and he did say it, because I heard him say it.
He lied. He never went to vander brig He never
found any Philip vander Brig. It wasn't there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and and speaking of speaking of of Seawan Kirkpatrick, uh,
I understand that you actually you told the told us
this story that you actually gave a mission, you tasked
a mission for David Grush. And I'm going to play
that clip. Folks, don't be too alarmed. When you see
see version one of our show. It looked pretty much
like cable access television. But this is doctor Bob Jacobs
on his first appearance on The Good Trouble Show back
in the day.
Speaker 2: Dave Grush told me he's going back to DC sometime
in the next week or so. And I said, Dave,
please do something for me. Tell doctor Kirkpatrick. The doctor
Jacobs says, fuck you.
Speaker 1: There you go, all right, you definitely don't well. And
the thing that is so so crazy is it is
excuse me, It is so obvious that they are lying,
both Sean Kirkpatrick and Arrow. Now, of course we have
Tim Phillips moved on when actually he got dozed apparently
elon dozedom. But when he was dozed, you have the
new the new director of Arrow, doctor John Koslowski. I've
heard he's a really great guy, but I've also heard
too he's he's out of his element element there. But
clearly Sean Kirkpatrick and and Tim Phillips, who you know,
are both intelligence officials. It was clear that you know,
these folks were flat out lying to the public, and
you know, and you go and you listen to their explanations,
which are just so hyper simplistic that you think, how
can anybody believe what they're saying. But I think that
in general, people that are tracking this topic, you know,
they know they can smell bullshit. But I think the
majority of the public they just buy it. They're like, oh,
that was a balloon, Okay, great.
Speaker 3: You know what's on TV next.
Speaker 1: But I think it's a psycho logical trick that the
intelligence intelligence community uses is to present them these the
the explanation in the least amount of words that is
basic that anyone, regardless of education, can understand. And I
think in a way it's probably they know it's human
nature that we will typically, you know, most people don't
want to read or do the research and whatnot. They'll
just take what the government says at face value. And
in my opinion, Arrow is one giant in house bullshit factory.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, and lying to the American public
is it's there's nothing more un American than that, and
you know, so it just it really makes me crazy.
But but to to to talk, you know, touch more
on Tim Phillips after Tim Phillips leaves, and again Tim
Phillips certainly had a TSSCI clearance. He goes on a podcast.
Speaker 3: You may not be aware of this.
Speaker 1: Tim Phillips goes on a podcast and proceeds to tell
everyone on this podcast that that what people are seeing
UFOs are actually our vehicles. He said that, he said
that we he said, quote, we have stuff the size
of Klingon battle cruisers. So you're telling me that a
career intelligence official, Tim Phillips with TSSCI clearance note telling
how many compartments he's been read into, is going to
go on a podcast and reveal the nation's most classified
secret that we have a Klingon battleship.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's it's just it's it's insane.
Speaker 1: Of course, he's not going to do it unless he
is he has been given the top cover, likely from
the Legacy program in the CIA, to go and publicly
say these things. And back to Kirkpatrick, you know, I'm
a huge fan of Anna Polina Luna and to think
that somebody who is still on the government dime because
he was working for the Department of Energy at oak
Ridge National Laboratories. Someone on the government dime would go
and publicly disparage our lawmakers. I mean, you know, you
said Luna and her lunatics, and that's what he said.
I mean, how insulting. And he's saying that while he
is on our dime, we're paying him to be there.
And I tell you the big tell which I and
I'm going to tell you another story here in a second.
As far as like whether or not you can trust
Arrow under the leadership of doctor John Koslowski is he
didn't say anything. There was nothing that came out of
the Pentagon that said doctor Sean Kirkpatrick no longer speaks
for us.
Speaker 3: You know, we don't appreciate what he's saying.
Speaker 1: Nothing, absolutely nothing, which tells you that Arrow is complicit
in all of this. I don't You may not be
aware of this, but the a recruiter from Arrow reached
out to me on LinkedIn, sent me a direct message
and it was along the lines of we think you
would be a good candidate for this position.
Speaker 3: Now of course me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm immediately thinking, actually, you know what, I'm
going to pull this up right now on on my
on my LinkedIn, uh, and I'm going to read you
the message. If it's still there. Hopefully, hopefully it is.
Let's see. Yeah, okay, this is Danny from SG to Recruiting.
I came across your background and thought you might be
a strong match for a high impact role. We're supporting
with r Low's Solutions, which is this recruiting firm. We're
helping them hire a senior staff officer for a long
term contract with the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office PARENTHESES
ARROW in Alexandria, Virginia. The role focuses on policy development,
coordination across d D and intelligence community and supporting national
level analysis of anomalist incidents. And you know, so some
of the key aspects of the position shape and refinerro policy, overside, guidance,
a whole list of stuff. You now, you know, one
of the requirements it said active top secret clearance with
SCI eligibility. I don't hold any any kind of clearance
fifteen years in DODIC policy, which I certainly did not have.
Speaker 3: And you know, and then he says.
Speaker 1: What does your availability look like this week? So you
know the first thing I thought was somebody's punk me.
I don't know, maybe it's Mick West or Stephen green
Street or someone like that or I mean, I don't know,
maybe Robert Hastings was trying to crank me. So I
went and looked up the actual job posting from this
Arlow Solutions, and you know, so what he listed was like,
you know, ten ten bullet points, but this was like
a multi multi page application, and then towards the end
it had desired job qualifications and guess what they were,
I don't know, information operations, deception operations, and deception activities.
They specifically were trying to hire me or wanted me
to apply for this job. And in the job description
in which I couldn't believe, and actually Rob Heatherly, researcher
Rob Heathery went and was able to dig up all
the previous job postings that that they had but had
taken down. None of them had requiring somebody that had
a background in deception. What does that tell you?
Speaker 2: Have they heard you? Have they listened to any of
your programs? Did they know anything about you?
Speaker 1: Oh? I? Well, you know so I so at first
I'm thinking, well, maybe this is like, you know, like
a AI bot or something like that. But it's like
nothing in my nothing in my LinkedIn profile. I don't think,
you know, I post videos of the show. I know
people in Arrow watch this show, and I know Sean
Kirkpatrick and Tim Phillips are very well aware of.
Speaker 3: Who I am and the things that I say.
Speaker 2: But sorry, I say again so for watching this one
Sean and Jim, I.
Speaker 1: Hope so too. Anyway, I was speaking to somebody that
has worked at a three letter agency and this person said,
you know, they were probably who better to try and
get onto their side and to spout out their bullshit
and really to take me off the air then to
try and hire me away.
Speaker 3: And then another.
Speaker 1: Person mentioned this, He goes, do you know that if
you had applied for that job, you would have signed
a thing that would have been part of the security
clearance process that would have allowed them to dig into
anything in your past. So if I had any dirt
on me, they would have been able, they would have
dug it up, and then they would have been able
to use it, and then they would have been able
to have WEAPONI that against me. But I mean, it's crazy,
it's just crazy, these people.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it's it. It's beyond insane. It's criminal what
they're doing. It's it's uh, it's it's hitler it's Stalin,
It's every corrupt regime that's ever existed, and they're here
with us. Now, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 1: Would would you recommend a UFO U, a P whistleblower
to go and testify to Arrow?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not, absolutely not, because why would you risk yourself?
Why would you expose yourself like Mario I did and
Terry did. I I after after I had been interviewed,
and I had a nice time talking to this guy.
I vote Mario and Robert said, hey, it was a
nice experience. They they listened to me. They said, my
garment if I heard me? And and then the hearing
came along and no, they didn't hear me at all. Yeah,
they got hold of me and they wipe me out.
They have they have, in fact, Sean and Timmy have
now written me off as they witness, because well Tim
went to VanderBurg and he found the film and I
was wrong, and they've just written me off. I'm just
an old man telling stories now because they have they have.
They have made me impotent now to talk because they
know what happened, and they testified what happened. They said
that I was lying. They say that again, said fuck
both of them. But I don't lie about this. Well,
why would I or anybody? Mario Woods? Why would any
of us who have testified? Wow, why would any of
us who have had experiences like this make it up?
Tell the story, and in fact keep telling the story
over And I've been telling this story for fifty years.
It hasn't changed because what happened. Why would I do
this because I'm crazy. I've never been paid for it,
don't get any money for it. You're not paying me,
Orgue Matt, I'm pretty sure you're not.
Speaker 1: I could barely pay the rent, so sorry, I'll send
you a coffee cup. How about that.
Speaker 2: I think it's impative that people understand that those of
who are who are testifying to this are not being paid.
We're not getting anything for it. We're sacrificing things like
in some cases are are practically sanity, or our ability
to sit back and say everything's okay when it's really not.
When I have telephone calls like I got saying you're
going down, motherfucker? How many tells you like that to
happen to you, and then the mailbox blown up, and
then later on having a CIA operator to say, yeah,
I know guys. I know, guys who did that? My god?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, all right, let's let's shift gears.
Speaker 1: Here. You have this wonderful new book which I highly recommend.
Everyone can get this on Amazon. It's called Farewell the
Trenq Will Mind by mister Bob Jacobs. This is actually
not his uh not his first book. But yeah, tell us,
tell us about this. I've read the book.
Speaker 3: It is just fantastic.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you liked it. I wrote it because all
right on the curve of this is my guided missile insignia,
if that's my missile badge that I won, was a
warded by the Air Force for, as they said, having
made a significant contribution to America's missile and space program.
That's the same US Air Force that later when Lee
Graham looked into my background said, there was never a
Robert Jacobs in the Air Force. There was never a
Robert Jacobs a VanderBurg Air Force Base. There was never
a Robert Jacobs in charge of photo presentation Vaderberg Base.
There was never a missile tracking site that Big Serve.
There was never a missile launch on September fifteenth, nineteen
sixty four. It never happened? How can they do that
to me? I have an officer efficiency report. That's what
you get every year, get a report from your commanding
officers saying what they think of It was outstanding all
the way, it said, promote well if well ahead of
other people in the Air Force. And then they turned
on me when I start telling the truth. And others
have done the same thing. Mario Woods, poor guy has
says he was abducted and his partner in a truck
from a missile site in several years ago, and he's
been ridiculed and called names. Bob Salas. I'm sure you
know Bob. I think you've interviewed Bob of course. Yeah,
who was at that installation when the UFO shut down
the missiles that he was sitting on top of. There's
a guy named Dave Schandell's who's written a book called
it Never Happened. There are lots of us out here
to tell the story, and it's not a story, tell
the facts who try to give some information to the
people of America because Americans, I think you need to
hear this if you're one of those people. And there
are lots of people who, for example, say, well they
can't be here because lights the fastest speed in the universe.
Maybe it is, Maybe it isn't. People say, well, no,
God created the earth and created us and there can't
be anybody else, to which I say, are you crazy?
Why not? Why would we be the only things that
God created this? Look at the space tell let's go
look at one frame of that one day. Every single
dot of light in that is a galaxy, trillions of
galaxies with planets around them. How can we be the
only things here? But that attitude of smootness of well,
we're we're the only ones here, We're the only ones
who can be here. The Air Force at one point
used that as an excuse not to come out with
the truth about UFOs, because there will society will fall apart,
there will be riots in the streets, the churches would
be burned, blah blah blah blah. Why why would that happen?
Are we all such children of all, such tiny infantile
boobs that we think we're actually the only ones here
and we're the only thing worth worth stating in the universe.
I can't believe that. I'm convinced at some point we
will grow up a human species follow in the lead
of guys like Elon, who I admire so much for
his compassion and his his his compulsion to give us
off the planet. Tell me, tell me why I would
make this up? Tell me why I would go on this.
Why would I have done this to my wife, to
my friends, to the universe. I got fired from the university.
I got fired from twice for telling the truth. I
don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. So if if you have some time here,
we have quite a few audience questions I would love
to throw at you. Sure, okay, great, all right? This
is from a pug dramonium. Is Bill Spalding's foyd copy
of the Big sur available, Big Big Surf film available
to the public? Does Bob see it as authentic? I'm
not sure what this foid film is.
Speaker 2: There is no foia film showing my thing. There's there's
none exists. I don't care who they said they have it.
It can't be. Okay, the CIA has my film Blue
Arizondo saw my film and testified to that effect, and
of my film available, I'm sure you sure?
Speaker 1: Art Art Geigel question with those two, with those who
have written dismissive explanations over the years, especially the one
highlighted in UFOs and nuke's. Has there ever been any
new recent adjustments to their explanation. I'm not sure that
I understand that question with those who have written dismissive explanations.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know either. Okay, Brian Pimble, thank you
so much, very generous, super chat. Does his master's voice
mean anything to mister Jacobs, Thank you? And he had
that quote.
Speaker 2: Nipper the dog that represented RCA was his master's voice.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay. Robin Hood nineteen sixty six. Hello all, Does
Bob have any follow up messages for Sean Kirkpatrick? His
previous would be difficult to top as succinct as it
was the Osark's rocked by the way, good call Bob
an any specific message to doctor Sean Kirkpatrick.
Speaker 2: As one who has a PhD and we are in
our PhDs and we're in a very difficult My got
mine from the University of California at Santa Barbary Real University,
and I worked a long time, very hard to get it,
so I know if they're real when you get your degree,
and mine's back there on the wall. It says with
all the rights and privileges. They're too pertaining. Rights and privileges,
they're to pertaining. You get this degree. With that degree,
it comes a large responsibility because you have perior knowledge
of a subject or a couple of subjects. You're supposed
to know what Plato said. Plato said this much. I
know that I know nothing. Sean, you're ashamed to the profession,
to academia, to those of us who were tred to
get our degrees.
Speaker 1: Fuck you, Okay, all right, Art Geigel. Question while taking
the video was the UFO not at all visible? Are
you and your team constantly looking through the viewfinder? We
actually you answered that earlier in the program Let's see
here to do. The video camera type used was the
same or similar to those used for the Starfish triple
Prime that captured a craft falling at detonation, superior frames
per second in resolution, so left a little ambiguous, little
ambiguity of the rocket. I don't think there was a
question as the same thing here as the relevance of
Errow according to their charter to actually document and report
to Congress testimony of witnesses and whistleblowers rather than taking
take testimony and classify. Yeah. Sorry, it wasn't a question.
Let's see, what do you this is from muffschiffs? What
do you most likely think they are? I strongly believe
they are extraterrestrials.
Speaker 2: Okay, I bang o my ahead. I know they're real.
I've been on one. Robert Hatians has been on one.
I know they're real. I don't believe in UFOs. I
know they're UFOs. I know they come from somewhere else.
I'm not really positive where. I believe extraterrestrial is one
of them. I also believe in the contemporary theory that
perhaps they are interdimensional, because as we get into quantum
mechanics and we learn about multiverses, it's possible if there
are interceptions between the VIEWNI versus. I'm not sure. I
know positively that at least one of the species is extraterrestrial.
Know that for fact?
Speaker 1: Sure? Okay, yeah, I believe the same thing. Do you
think that Do you believe this is from UAP Global
to forty seven? Do you believe the intent was surveillance,
deterrence or something else? Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2: In my case, I believe what you're talking about. What
I saw that UFO do to the doming nuclear warhead
was a clear warning. It was like a shot across
the bow. What happened to Bob Sallas was a clear warning.
They shut down the nuclear weapons. They just shut them off.
I believe that that particular species is saying to this, look,
you guys, grow up, stop the nuclear bullshit, because you
can not only wipe yourselfself, you can wipe your planet
out with this. You can cause real damage to the
portions of because the universe is interlocked, you can do damage.
Stop it. I think that's what they're trying to tell us. Well,
I hope is that at some point they will just
come down and say, all right, cut it out and
take those damn things away from us before some crackpot
in Iran or book the hell else gets hold of
one of those and sets it off in New York City.
I'm just frightened that the technology is out there to
destroy ourselves, and I think they don't want us to
do that, all right?
Speaker 1: From Highlander Triple O seven. Does Bob know if any
more incidents like this happened in terms of I think
you're alluded that it did.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, indeed, there was an incident. I think Richard
will tell you about it when he's on your show
with Robert Matt the fascinating It's a fascinating account. I
know what happened. In fact, I believe it happened at
the same time that my event happened at Vanderbert. We
were there at exactly the same time. Richard will tell
you about his I've talked to a fellow named Jeff,
also at Austin, Texas, even at Vanderberg when a large,
very large craft came in over the ocean. He said
it was the size of a football field. It came
over the ocean, came in, hovered over a flight of
minim Man two missiles, and hung there. It was witnessed
by the engineers from Well. I wrote about it in
my book. In fact, I included that incident in my book.
That book is a companion everything that's happened to me,
only fictionalized, so that I can get away with saying
what was actually there, rather than getting sued or kicking
the head. Oh, by the way, your names are changed.
Speaker 1: Of course. Okay, let's see Kill the Stigma podcast. Thank
you very much for the super chat donation. Love both
of these awesome men. Ah, thank you. Let's see uh
uh let's see here. Okay, Yeah, I think I think
that might uh might be uh might be it. Yeah. Well,
all I have to say, Bob is that you've been
my afternoon delight. Although not the same meaning as the song,
I'll say that so hope. But but I really do,
really do appreciate you coming on the show, but but moreover,
appreciate your service to this country and really appreciate your
your bravery. I think there are a lot of people
who may have could have been in your circumstances that
would have not had the fortitude to stick to their guns, uh,
commit themselves to always speaking speaking the truth and ignoring
people are not ignoring, but you know, persevering over people
blowing up your mailboxes. Sean Kirkpatrick and Tim Phillips and
others at Arrow flat out lying about you. Uh you
know you. You are a true patriot, a true a
true uh you know, wonderful human being. And it's been
my my pleasure to know you, and and I look
forward to coming out and camping out on your couch
when I come to the Ozarks.
Speaker 2: Serious, you have to come down here and let me
share that museum and also the beauty of the Ozarks.
I ride a motorcycle, and there's if if Walt Disney
had made a theme park for motorcycle see what to
call it? The ozarks. Let me let me close a
more thing to speaking of bravery and so on. You know, well,
it doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, except bears. Bears
will kill you.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, cut yeah copy that. I think I'll think
I'll be avoiding avoiding the bears anyway. Well, well, Bob Jacobs,
thank you so much again your absolutely wonderful book. It's
just a truly amazing Uh. It is Farewell The Trenk
Will Mind by Bob Jacobs. I highly recommend anyone that
loves to read to check this out. I certainly enjoyed it.
You're you're an incredible writer. And yeah, thanks thanks for
spending your Sunday with us.
Speaker 2: Thank you man. This has been a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it absolutely. Okay, thank you, all right, Bob,
Bob Jacobs, ladies and gentlemen, okay, great, So uh that
was that was just just fantastic. I love, uh, you know,
I love the fact, as I mentioned, you know, when
I was, you know, sending them off there, that these
guys they just they they have no fear and but moreover,
they truly believe that that them speaking their truth it
is for the good of the country, because you know,
we all can't just be living taking this blue pill
of bullshit that the government, the deep state hands all
of us. And and it is, you know, and as
I mentioned in that aerow job posting, when they are
looking for people who have a background in deception activities
and deception and information management, which is the acronym or
the phrase used for disinformation, it's the the uh, the uh,
the the politically correct version of psychological operations executed on
the American public by by the executive branch, by by
the government. You know that just that that just tells
you right there that you cannot trust the Pentagon. You
absolutely cannot trust anything they say. You cannot trust what
the CIA says when they have absolutely no issue absolutely
slandering and defaming people.
Speaker 3: Men and women who have worn the uniform, who.
Speaker 1: Have made sometimes the ultimate sacrifice for the for this country.
When you've got this deep state, as I like to
call it, and I'm not in a Trumpian way, I'm
just saying that's really kind of the best way to
describe it.
Speaker 3: But you know, we can't have a democracy when that
is going on.
Speaker 1: A democracy cannot survive when the government engages in information
operations and deception activities. It was there in black and
white on this job posting. Now, when I read this thing,
I thought, Okay, well, maybe this is like a standard thing.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the purpose. Maybe they wanted somebody that
could determine if if foreign adversaries were engaged in disinformation
and deception activities. And I actually reached out to a
friend of mine who is a program manager for the Pentagon,
and I said, so, am I misreading this? Or am
I making too much out of this? And this individual
said no. This individual said that this person had actually
managed special access programs that both required deception and did
not require deception. And essentially, this person said, if you're
running a SAP, we're in the intelligence community, a cap
that is not needing to protect anything in the sense
of really going out of their way to try and
keep the thing clamped down. Then you just get a
comms person, a public affairs official. But this person said,
who again has run classified was a program or slash
is a program manager for the Department of War. This
person said, if you have a SAP that requires disinformation,
requires them to flat out lie to the public, then
in that job posting you put in there information operations,
deception operations, and deception activities.
Speaker 3: This person flat.
Speaker 1: Out said, if this special access program has to be
super locked down, that's what the Pentagon makes you do.
So when you have ARROW, the Pentagon, sorry, Department of
War's all demated Anomaly Resolution Office posting on their recruiter
posting on their website. And in the other thing, I'll
say too. Well, I said, well, is it possible that
that this recruiter made a mistake.
Speaker 3: You know, they're they're a contractor.
Speaker 1: Is it possible they they went freelance and decided to
put on there what what they thought the job required.
And this veteran, who has run many special access programs
for the Pentagon, said, hell no, there is no way
in hell that that was a mistake. And again this
person reiterated, if you're running a SAP where you need
to lie to the American public, that is what you
put in the job description, and and and and that's
why that's why I call the Pentagon me the ARROW,
the all domin Anomaly Resolution Office, the in house bullshit
factory for the Pentagon, because that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 3: Now, here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: A former director of Arrow and doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, a
former deputy director who moved up to director, by the
name of Timothy Phillips. These people, these intelligence officials who
have spent their entire lives working with security clearances and
working under non disclosure agreements. These two individuals that have
all manner of compartments they've been read into during the
course of their year, course of their career. They're not
dumb people. They know damn well if they go and
spill classified secrets, they're going to go to Leavenworth. So
you sit and you ask yourself, why would Tim Phillips
go on a podcast.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like he was just telling his wife over dinner.
Speaker 1: This person goes on a public podcast and says, oh,
by the way, all these UFOs we've been seeing are
are classified programs. We've got a shift the size of
a klingon battle cruiser. It's amazing. You're telling me that
this guy who has spent his entire career saluting and
saying yes sir, yes ma'am and executing on that mission,
is going to go freelance, going to go rogue and
spill that kind of stuff and risk losing his retirement,
risk losing his security clearance. No, he's not going to
do that. Do you think Sean Kirkpatrick is going to
go after he exits Arrow and is given this cushy
job at Oakridge National Laboratories. You think that he's going
to go on the Wall Street Journal or whatever, a
sort of podcast or whatnot and defame Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna,
calling her Luna and her lunatics. You really think Sean
Kirkpatrick and Tim Phillips are going to do these things
without top cover. No, absolutely not. There is no way
that these folks did this just because they were expressing
their personal views. There's absolutely no way. Here is how
the Legacy Program operates. It's basically run like a crime family,
like a modern crime family that has been around for
a very long time.
Speaker 3: It is a power structure or a criminal organization.
Speaker 1: And the way this thing thing works it's spread out
across multiple nodes of government, is you have somebody moving
up the ladder and they are maybe five years out
from retirement and someone from the Legacy Program or the
CIA identifies this individual as a potential for becoming a
made man or a made woman of joining the crime family.
And about five years out or somewhereabouts, somebody comes into
them or comes and approaches them and says, hey, we've
got this special access program that's quite large. It's under
different SAPs and caps, and how would you like to
be read onto this thing?
Speaker 3: And when you when you're read onto this thing, your two.
Speaker 1: Three hundred thousand dollars a year retirement is going to
become a five hundred to you know, I'm making it
up million dollars a year retirement. And of course that
person's going to go, oh, yeah, this sounds great, and
then they get read in to this uh little uh
a dirty little secret of what our government has been
up to for eighty plus years. And part of the deal,
they're going to say, Okay, you're into this, you're you know,
you've signed on the dotted line, and we've got two
things right now we're going to ask of you. We
have two favors. We're doing you a favor, and we
have two things we want you to do for us.
Number one, you're going to continue to do your job
just as you've been doing it. You're not taking on
any additional responsibility. You just keep doing what you're doing
as if this conversation never happened. But at some point
you're going to get a call and we're going to
ask you to do something, and we're going to ask
you to do something, and you may your security clearance
may get flagged. You may you know, you may go
and disparage members of Congress. You may go do this,
that and the other, and you know, and you may
get into some hot water. But we have people. Just
give it a year. We've got people that are going
to take care of that. We're going to get that
swept under the rug, and you're not going to have
any issues.
Speaker 3: So just do what you're doing. We're going to hit
you up at some point and ask a favor.
Speaker 1: The second thing the Legacy Program does with these individuals
Legacy Program and the CIA, the second direct that they
give to these people that they are making made men
or made women is they say, when you're close to retirement,
your job is to find two people, two people that
you think want to be in the family, and your
job is to give them the same speech I'm giving
you right now and that's how the cycle works. That's
how these people get roped in and uh and you know,
and it's like any any crime family. You you uh,
you don't. You don't do anything. You don't speak out
of school. You certainly don't squeal. If you sit and
you uh salute smartly and say yes sir, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The the crime family takes care of you. The crime
family takes care of your family. You're you are set
for life because you just like any mob, which is
exactly how the Legacy program is operating in conjunction with
the Defense Industrial Complex and the f fr d c's
the federal.
Speaker 3: I forget the name name, but it's basically oak Ridge.
Speaker 1: I think it's a federally funded research development centers. These
whole things, these entities that are part of this whole
corrupt enterprise. If you're one of the chosen few, and
it's not about rank, it's about pedigree, you can join
the family. You will be financially set. But you damn
well don't talk to Congress. You damn well don't talk
to the press, and you do everything that we ask you,
even if it includes slandering American veterans such as Bob
Jacobs or you know, just about anyone. You know, you
you you these folks, they literally sell their sell their
souls to the devil. You know. We now know that uh,
former Vice President Dick Cheney was one of the main
gatekeepers of this. Uh. There is an article that just
came out from the from the Liberation Times talking about
uh on blanken on his name. Uh. But if you
go to Liberation Times, there are two other people that
Chris Sharp, an amazing journalist, has has exposed.
Speaker 3: But you know, but this corruption, it just can't can't continue.
Speaker 1: There was just recently I had a conversation with a
retired individual who was very high up in the Pentagon
who said to me, Matt, the corruption that is running
rampant in our government, in our intelligence community, the corruption
in the f FR, d CS, in the Defense industrial complex,
in the executive branch. That corruption will never end until
they deal with the UAP issue. The UAP issue is
the root of it. And from what I was told,
it went into overdrive in under Dick Cheney. That was
apparently when it completely went off the rails.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's just it's it's sad when.
Speaker 1: You hear you know, I've I've experienced harassment by a
government contractor at a at at a.
Speaker 3: Hotel in Vegas.
Speaker 1: Following publishing that CIA article that Chris Sharp, Josh Boswell
and I wrote for The Daily Mail, I've experienced that
I've had helicopters circling my home. You hear Bob Jacobs
talk about his mailbox being blown up. You listen to
recent congressional testimony from whistleblowers about their break lines being
cut or their security clearance being being flagged so that
they can't pay the mortgage. This is the kind of
corruption that this criminal enterprise called the Legacy Program, in
conjunction with with with the Central Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon,
the Department of Energy, all the ffrdc's. That's that's what
that's what's happening. And here is what they are counting on.
Number one. And I said this last year around them
in the springtime, since the beginning of January, the Legacy Program,
slash DoD slash IC launched a communications plan, a comms
plan to defame all the whistleblowers. They wanted. They want
to they want to essentially paint all these whistleblowers as grifters.
That's what they're gonna do the Wall Street Journal. That
is one of the things they're working on. Another article.
Joel Scheckman and a Runa vus Wanifa are trying to
write another article, likely on behalf of whoever's paying them
or paying the editor at the Wall Street Journal. And
one of the apparently one of the main focuses of
this article is to put out the narrative that whistleblowers
like Bob Jacobs, David gus Loyel Azando, all these others
are nothing but grifters. They're all in it for the money.
That's exactly what they're going to do. And then the
other thing, And you saw this in the Wall Street
Journal article, the first Wall Street Journal article that came
out from Joel Schckman and a Runa vus Wanatha, basically
a pile of bullshit from the Wall Street Journal shoveled
right to the American public. You notice at the end
of that article they went after Bob Sallas. They went
after Bob Sallas's experience with UAPs. Bob Sallas, as many
of you know, is a retired nuclear launch control officer
who had UAP disable his entire flight of Minuteman nuclear
tipped ICBMs ICBMs with live nuclear missiles, And of course
Joel Sheckman at the Wall Street Journal puts out this
kakamani bullshit explanation that they were just that they were
emp testing, that they drove up this eighteen wheeler and
full of electronic equipment and erected all of these towers
that required concrete bases, and they were doing E and
P hardening tests on the on the on these missiles.
And you know, you read that, you read this in
the Wall Street Journal, and you're like, you know, do
they think they're stupid? But they act they actually do.
But you have to ask yourself, why would the Wall
Street Journal focus on the nuclear angle? And here's why.
Here is why that disinformation, that propaganda was published written
by A. Runavuswanatha and Joel Scheckman in the in the
Wall Street Journal. Because the Legacy Program and the IC
and the DoD no that so long as members of
Congress believe that UAPs are tampering with our strategic nuclear deterrent,
that they have to look into this stuff.
Speaker 3: This stuff's been going on.
Speaker 1: You know, since Bob Jacobs and Robert Sallas and David
Shindley and others. It continues to this day. So if
you want to shut Congress down, you tell them there's
nothing to see here with this whole UAP nuclear connection.
If there's nothing to see here, then it's not a
national security threat. That is why they are doing it.
And then you ask yourself, why do people like doctor
Sean Kirkpatrick go and throw Anna Polina Luna, who you know,
I'm a Democrat, She's not on my side of the aisle,
but I damn well support everything she does for this
country when it comes to this topic. The same with
Eric Burlison and other Republicans. You know, we have to
get to our to the point where we can, you know,
call balls and strikes. So when when somebody that doesn't
politically agree with you, they do something good for the country,
you should hold them up. And the reason that you
have Sean Kirkpatrick and others calling Anna Paulina Luna and
her lunatics that kind of language, it's aimed at the
members of Congress, and why what they want to do,
what the Legacy Program, the Pentagon, and the intelligence community
want to do. They want to scare the hell out
of lawmakers and message publicly that holding hearings looking into
this topic is a waste of taxpayer dollars. We all
know members of Congress the number one thing that they're
afraid of are their constituents, because they're the ones that
put them in there. So if the Wall Street Journal,
Sean Kirkpatrick and others can go and name call Anna
Polina Luna or Eric Berlason or Tim Burshett, the reason
they're doing it is they want to get into their
heads and they want them to start going, oh shit,
you know, my constituents are gonna think that I'm throwing
away money here.
Speaker 3: They want them to stop looking into it.
Speaker 1: That is why they have engaged in these kinds of
attacks on members of Congress. And I'll say another thing too,
to my party, this has been predominantly a Republican issue,
and the Democratic Party, damn well, has to wake up
to this reality.
Speaker 3: This needs to.
Speaker 1: Be a widely bipart is an issue because it matters
to the national security of this country. This is happening
non human intelligence and whatever these vehicles are, they are
interacting with our military, They are around our commercial flights.
They are operating with impunity over restricted airspace, and the
Pentagon and the intelligence community are lying to Congress, and
they are lying to all of you, and at some
point we have to say enough is enough. So when
the Pentagon tells you this is all balloons, this is
all air trash, there's no evidence of extraterrestrial activity, they're
lying to you. They know it. They've been lying to
you for a very very long time, and we have
to put a stop to it. It can't continue on.
So how can you at home do the right thing
and keep this keeping on to to shut down the
forces that be at the Wall Street Journal, the Pentagon,
the Department of Energy, the intelligence community, to to uh
stop them from shutting all of this down, which is
what they're trying to do. Apparently, George Knapp said that
there's something coming this fall, a little plot they're hatching
to try and shut this whole conversation down. How you
at home, watching right now can keep that from happening
is to write an email, call your lawmakers, your members
of Congress, your senator, and tell them that the the
UAP issue is a significant national security issue, possibly a
national security threat. And if your member, if you're a
member of Congress, is Timbershett or Annapolina Luna or Eric Berlson,
or the handful of Democrats that have the balls to
deal with this thing. Call them up and thank them
for what they are doing. Because they are exerting an
enormous amount of political capital, risking their political future futures
by speaking up against this. So call them up, thank them.
I'm sure they are most of their calls all day
are people bitching about one thing or the other. But
call them up and tell them, good job, Good job Timbershett,
good job, Eric Berlison, good job, Anna Polina Luna, good
job Senator Jellibrandon, others.
Speaker 3: These folks need to hear.
Speaker 1: From us that we are paying attention. We expect them
to do the right thing because it affects the national
security of the United States and frankly the world. But
take the time to thank them. Folks.
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