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Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn,
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Speaker 2: over the fence and they would dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough out here. Look, I'm new to the window now
Speaker 2: and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,
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Speaker 1: Welcome our guest back to the show. It is David
Speaker 1: from seeking Ontario's Bigfoot. Welcome back to the show. Man.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me back, Brian. I appreciate it. Good
Speaker 3: to hear.
Speaker 1: I am glad to have you man. I have been
Speaker 1: looking forward to this conversation. I had a blast the
Speaker 1: last time you were on. I have been north of
Speaker 1: the border looking for bigfoot, not in the Ontario area,
Speaker 1: but in another part of Canada, over in BC Canada.
Speaker 1: So I'm always intrigued with anything north of the border.
Speaker 1: I have featured a guy from Alaska on the show
Speaker 1: many times who was in that general vicinity, who has
Speaker 1: shared some really compelling and really interesting stories about bigfoots.
Speaker 1: Always look forward to listening to anything north of the border.
Speaker 1: Let's get right into it. Since you were on last time,
Speaker 1: we talked about a ton of things. What's been going
Speaker 1: on was seeking Ontario's Bigfoot. What have you guys been
Speaker 1: into and what are the intriguing cases that you've been
Speaker 1: following up on.
Speaker 3: Well, we're continuing to work to primary research areas. We've
Speaker 3: established a new site in Central Ontarios, a little bit
Speaker 3: further to the east of where we're based out of.
Speaker 3: We were contacted by a property owner there who had
Speaker 3: owned a small self sustaining farm, A very interesting guy
Speaker 3: who lives off a grid, was raising his own livestock,
Speaker 3: cultivating his own crops and stuff, literally living off grid,
Speaker 3: no external electricity, so I was running everything off of
Speaker 3: us solar and wind power. He reached out to us
Speaker 3: about two and a half years ago because at that time,
Speaker 3: when he had a fairly large amount of pigs on site,
Speaker 3: he had gone out and witnessed a sasquatch basically come
Speaker 3: raid his pen one evening in the fall, where literally
Speaker 3: reached over, grabbed one of his hogs and trundled off
Speaker 3: with it. Prior to that, he probably realized he may
Speaker 3: have attracted the animal during the post processing of the
Speaker 3: pork and the slabby of the hogs, they were dumping
Speaker 3: the guts and everything off the back side of the property.
Speaker 3: His property is quite large. It's many acres. It is
Speaker 3: connected to a vast corner of that Basically, if you
Speaker 3: were to head north off his property, there is a
Speaker 3: forested pathway that leads to probably one of the most
Speaker 3: squatchiest areas of Ventura, near the Algonquin region. So that
Speaker 3: whole area is just inundated with fastmouts of park land
Speaker 3: and cottages and stuff. But it's very wild, it's a
Speaker 3: very well country. He figures he probably attracted it to
Speaker 3: the property by feeding it. Now there seems to be
Speaker 3: a family unit living on site with a secondary He
Speaker 3: suspects a female and a juvenile. He's seen all three
Speaker 3: of them on occasion together. He stopped feeding, he's stopped
Speaker 3: dumping the animal refuse off the backside of his property.
Speaker 3: But the animals taking up residence, it hasn't shown any well,
Speaker 3: I shouldn't say it hasn't shown any overt aggression because
Speaker 3: on occasion it has. The gentleman knows the property has
Speaker 3: two adult sons that are living on site as well.
Speaker 3: They're both avid hunters. They'll hunt on the property for deer,
Speaker 3: for turkeys or rabbits, whatever is there. We've also captured
Speaker 3: other large predators. We've captured a huge black wolf on
Speaker 3: the property on a trail camera and a massive black
Speaker 3: bear with sows. Obviously there's a lot of food there.
Speaker 3: It has a trailer towards the back end of the
Speaker 3: property that he likes to spend climate. When he'd been
Speaker 3: out there in his trailer in a couple evenings, he'd
Speaker 3: had the animal come up and bang on his trailer
Speaker 3: really hard and shake it. That didn't really phase them
Speaker 3: too much, as this guy is a pretty hardcore outdoorsman.
Speaker 3: It takes a lot to phase this guy. But the
Speaker 3: one time he was out looking for new game, trails
Speaker 3: on the furtherest portion of the property. We had a
Speaker 3: massive log come basically off the right side of the
Speaker 3: trail and just about blindsided him in the head. So
Speaker 3: it was a big large he's guessing the log probably
Speaker 3: must have wagh close to one hundred pounds and it
Speaker 3: just missed him. Now, this guy is not wanting to
Speaker 3: go on that part of the property at all anymore.
Speaker 3: Our group this fall is planning on doing an armed
Speaker 3: excursion into that area to further the property, because apparently
Speaker 3: there's a big swamp towards the backside of the property there.
Speaker 3: We want to go and see if we can find
Speaker 3: out where it's living, find signers of the animal. Apparently
Speaker 3: there's an area around there called the Warsaw Caves, which
Speaker 3: are not far from there as well. We're not sure
Speaker 3: if they're residing in the caves and coming down on
Speaker 3: the property, or if they had built some sort of
Speaker 3: site on the property itself. But these are the kinds
Speaker 3: of questions that we're going to continue to try to
Speaker 3: answer on this property. We've had no luck with trail
Speaker 3: cameras there, we've had no luck with the audio recorders,
Speaker 3: So right now we're in another thought process in terms
Speaker 3: of what's going to be the next step, what's going
Speaker 3: to be the next approach. Like a lot of other researchers,
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, Watch don't seem to be bothered at
Speaker 3: all by audio recording devices, and I think, honestly that's
Speaker 3: some of the best evidence we can get. We've captured
Speaker 3: some pretty remarkable audio, not on that site, but at
Speaker 3: other locations. After viewing it in audacity and taking a
Speaker 3: look at the signatures of the sound and stuff, it's
Speaker 3: very unlikely that it's anything other than the animal that
Speaker 3: we speak of. But cameras are absolutely the kiss of
Speaker 3: death for whatever reason, maybe it's their ability to detect infrared, whatever,
Speaker 3: But as soon as cameras are installed, the activity just
Speaker 3: drops right off. So we're now going to be pulling
Speaker 3: back from the cameras and trying to think of some
Speaker 3: more inventive ways. We want to build some biotraps. We
Speaker 3: want to be able to see if we can perhaps
Speaker 3: get a tissue sample or some DNA samples via some
Speaker 3: biological foot traps, or maybe even like a barbed wire
Speaker 3: trap that a lot of them and our people use
Speaker 3: for bears and stuff like that, where you just wrap
Speaker 3: it around a tree put some bait on it. So
Speaker 3: we're brainstorming a lot right now because concerning the amount
Speaker 3: of time we've had cameras are and stuff, it doesn't
Speaker 3: seem to be paying off yet. The property owners are
Speaker 3: still witnessing the animal on site. Back in late June,
Speaker 3: him and his wife were sitting on the back porch.
Speaker 3: They were looking out past basically past where little garden
Speaker 3: plot was and stuff, just looking off into the distance.
Speaker 3: He had a flashlight with him because he was out
Speaker 3: there looking for one of his dogs and he was
Speaker 3: just shining it around. He shot it up just outside
Speaker 3: the tree line. There were three sets of bright red
Speaker 3: eyes looking back that though. He said the dominant suspected
Speaker 3: male he figures was probably around ten feet tall, the
Speaker 3: other adult he was estimated aro seven and a half
Speaker 3: to eight feet, and there was a juvenile that he
Speaker 3: best approximated around five feet. So they're not overtly threatening
Speaker 3: the family and everything like that, but they're still partaking
Speaker 3: in like baying sessions on the house and on the
Speaker 3: trailer and stuff like that. That incident with the logs thrown,
Speaker 3: it was pretty innerving for the sun to go up
Speaker 3: there this fall and try to sess the propery out
Speaker 3: further apps to see if we can get some biological
Speaker 3: samples to further determine what's on site there. Our property
Speaker 3: down in Pennsylvania is also having a ramp up in activity.
Speaker 3: The homeowners there have a trail rud in their front driveway.
Speaker 3: They had recently discovered a handprint and knuckle prints the
Speaker 3: top one to other trailer where the sleeping cap is,
Speaker 3: which is probably room eight and a half feet off
Speaker 3: the ground. We have good pictures of that and you
Speaker 3: can actually see the dermal ridges in the print itself.
Speaker 3: They do not conform to the typical pattern that you'd
Speaker 3: see in a human hand. The ridge lines run in
Speaker 3: complete opposition as to how we do in a human hand.
Speaker 3: We had a follow up photograph sent by the homeowners
Speaker 3: where the residual animal that we suspect is still living
Speaker 3: on that property was captured via a camera looking outside
Speaker 3: and one of the bedrooms at the house where this
Speaker 3: animals standing on the front porch looking in towards the house,
Speaker 3: which this thing seems to do frequently. Our researcher General
Speaker 3: Paul's alive down there and do a stand in the
Speaker 3: exact same spot where this animal was standing on the brand,
Speaker 3: it completely eclipses them. He's a big X military guy
Speaker 3: if he's sixty six two in a hause. Whatever this
Speaker 3: is standing in the porch looking in towards the house.
Speaker 3: I think it was probably attracted by the Christmas lights
Speaker 3: that they had hanging off the awning. It just doesn't
Speaker 3: seem to be very conscientious about its presence there. I
Speaker 3: think it's just a matter of time before we get
Speaker 3: an even better capture of this animal. Even then, as
Speaker 3: we know these days, pictures are pretty limited in terms
Speaker 3: of value. So those are the two primary research sites
Speaker 3: that we're working on. I'm really encouraging the adaptation and
Speaker 3: incorporation of more technology. Right now, we're trying to work
Speaker 3: through a process where we're going to be able to
Speaker 3: get basically a mobile Gois app installed on every member's phone.
Speaker 3: Where I've already gone ahead and created the attribute table
Speaker 3: schema where when the researchers are out in the field,
Speaker 3: they'll be able to map the coordinates of whatever they
Speaker 3: come across, be they structures, footprints, which are still infrequently
Speaker 3: find footprints, but it does happen on occasion, structures, breaks, twists,
Speaker 3: anything of high suspicion. It will allow us input data
Speaker 3: in terms of directional orientation, the height, the size, so
Speaker 3: we could populate these tables with whatever information that we
Speaker 3: want to collect. Basically, what we're we want to do
Speaker 3: is we want to off cloaw this data. I've started
Speaker 3: incorporating it into a digital mapping platform. I know there's
Speaker 3: the Big Foot Mapping Project, which basically he's doing exactly
Speaker 3: the same thing, but he's incorporating a lot more data
Speaker 3: than we are. We're just trying to make use of
Speaker 3: the stuff that we're finding locally, and it's a very
Speaker 3: good way of hopefully being able to create some sort
Speaker 3: of predictive model. My background dream school was innur sciences
Speaker 3: and geomatics. I know how to leverage that technology, and
Speaker 3: I'd really like to leverage that because I do think
Speaker 3: there are answers to be found if we're just able
Speaker 3: to drill down and get enough data samples, collect the
Speaker 3: right kind of data to be able to put forward
Speaker 3: the right questions where hopefully some answers will come to
Speaker 3: fruition and hopefully we can actually say with some sort
Speaker 3: of confidence that based on this time of year, based
Speaker 3: on the patterns of torol and sightings that we've had
Speaker 3: to pass five to you know, five to ten years,
Speaker 3: maybe we can have the best estimate in terms of
Speaker 3: where we can expect to having an encounter. Yeah, we've
Speaker 3: been doing that. We've also been making use a lot
Speaker 3: of analog data. One of our researchers was able to
Speaker 3: locate some very good paper maps of free crops and
Speaker 3: tender free crops of core and growth and stuff, and
Speaker 3: when we were overlaying these on top of the locations
Speaker 3: of where the sightings were, it was so relatable, so
Speaker 3: obvious that it literally just popped off. So now we're
Speaker 3: really costing and timing, like when the corn comes to fruition,
Speaker 3: to be in that area, to be in those areas
Speaker 3: that have the best access to the corn crops, having
Speaker 3: the best access and best habitat, and then putting yourselves
Speaker 3: in those locations at the best time of year. And
Speaker 3: I think that's going to ultimately give us our best
Speaker 3: chance of success.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love the fact that you guys are doing some
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Because Scott over at the Bigfoot Mapping Project,
Speaker 1: I've praised him numerous times. Scott's been on the show
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and we've had conversations about getting
Speaker 1: the data being able to map out. Like you said,
Speaker 1: some of these areas that overlap, I call them these
Speaker 1: edges that we create as people. We're going further and
Speaker 1: further into what would be considered bigfoot sasquatch habitat, and
Speaker 1: these edges that we create. A lot of people say
Speaker 1: we're destroying their habitat, but we're really introducing things like
Speaker 1: corn and other agricultural areas that other animals take advantage
Speaker 1: of it. I think overall, in the big scheme of things, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're pretty destructive as human beings in general, but we
Speaker 1: are creating these edges where we're planting corn, we're planning
Speaker 1: other agriculture, and animals take advantage of that. I think that,
Speaker 1: as you said, if you do this overlay of sidings
Speaker 1: versus where these edges are created with agriculture corn growth,
Speaker 1: that sask what sidings sometimes increase in those areas, and
Speaker 1: there's certainly sidings that are in the historical data. It's
Speaker 1: one of the most important and impactful things that we
Speaker 1: can do as researchers is look at all the data.
Speaker 1: I say it all the time about this show just
Speaker 1: taking everybody's anecdotal experiences and acting as a repository. We
Speaker 1: can go back five, ten, fifteen years and look at
Speaker 1: what people are experiencing back then versus what they're experiencing
Speaker 1: now where they're having these encounters and those kind of things.
Speaker 1: Kudos to you guys for doing the kind of work
Speaker 1: that you guys are doing. Scott was a trailblazer in
Speaker 1: my opinion and doing some of the things that he
Speaker 1: has done over the years, and other people are picking
Speaker 1: up that gauntlet and continuing to do it. You guys
Speaker 1: are doing it north of the border, so kudos to
Speaker 1: you for doing that. I want to go back a
Speaker 1: little bit to this off grid guy, this property that
Speaker 1: you were talking about in the beginning, some of the
Speaker 1: things that he experienced there. I think there's so many
Speaker 1: I talk to people who have habituation sites. They're purposely
Speaker 1: habituating these animals. In some cases, it sounds like to me,
Speaker 1: you have an inadvertent habituation situation. This guy's just trying
Speaker 1: to raise pigs. He's slaughtering these animals, he's selling them,
Speaker 1: he's making a living, and he's dumping these entrails and
Speaker 1: this refuse out in this area. It sounds like to me,
Speaker 1: very much like you said, these things are realizing this
Speaker 1: is a free meal ticket. They come in, they start
Speaker 1: eating this stuff. Then you have these I know you
Speaker 1: said a couple of times, maybe not necessarily what people
Speaker 1: would consider to be aggressive behavior, but if you're chunking
Speaker 1: one hundred pounds log at somebody in close proximity, that
Speaker 1: to me is aggressive. It really comes to mind to
Speaker 1: me how many people have possibly been in these situations
Speaker 1: and maybe not even known or realized what was going
Speaker 1: on as far as habituating these animals in some way, shape, form,
Speaker 1: or fashion and not even knowing about it. They're dumping food,
Speaker 1: they're dumping entrails. Even deer hunters who clean their keels
Speaker 1: and do what they do and process near their homes
Speaker 1: are in these situations. Is this isolated for you, guys,
Speaker 1: or have you had other situations that you guys have
Speaker 1: investigated that people have reached out to you and said,
Speaker 1: I'm having this go on my property and it's a
Speaker 1: possible inadvertent habituation situation of these creatures.
Speaker 3: It was the first actual outing I'd been on with
Speaker 3: I know I'd mentioned his name in the previous episode.
Speaker 3: Mister Peter Smith, who was a very excellent advisor and
Speaker 3: mentored in me very early on. He's still very active
Speaker 3: in the Anterio, Bigfoot and sasquatched scenup PERI. He's a
Speaker 3: relentless researcher. I think he eventually is going to have
Speaker 3: many answers for a lot of us. I was vacationing
Speaker 3: outside of a town called Fundsville, Ontario, which is essentially
Speaker 3: located in the Muskoka region. It's a really popular area,
Speaker 3: especially with urban nights from Toronto who go up there
Speaker 3: to vacation because has lots of glacially created lakes. It's
Speaker 3: a very quiet, very peaceful, great access to a massive
Speaker 3: provincial park. I just happened to be up there when
Speaker 3: he reached out to me a via phone and said, Hey,
Speaker 3: would you like to come down and visit this property
Speaker 3: with me. They're about half an hour from where you're
Speaker 3: at right now, and planning on going down there, having
Speaker 3: a look around the property and doing an overnight vigil.
Speaker 3: They have some very interesting information to relate to us
Speaker 3: if you're interested in coming own. I'm like, absolutely for sure.
Speaker 3: This is the first time I had been able to
Speaker 3: sit down with real experience researcher and it was just
Speaker 3: revelatory for me. We pulled up this very nice family,
Speaker 3: husband and wife, two young kids, who are living in
Speaker 3: this marine system, pretty far off the main highway, close
Speaker 3: proximity to actually a very popular, very expensive resort. I
Speaker 3: would say, probably about a fifteen minute walk from there.
Speaker 3: That being said, they'd been living on a property for
Speaker 3: but twenty five years, and all had been quiet up
Speaker 3: until about a year before we did our on site visit.
Speaker 3: He was explaining to us that they're across the street
Speaker 3: on the other side of their access road, a new
Speaker 3: subdivision was being built and there was a mass colling
Speaker 3: of that whole person area up there. Anything's what happened
Speaker 3: is that clear those animals out. Those animals were basically
Speaker 3: made homeless by the clear cutting at the top of
Speaker 3: the hill, and they came down to his property and
Speaker 3: they had been on site there for the past year.
Speaker 3: It all started with sightings by the youngest child, who's
Speaker 3: a young daughter, around nine years old, and she kept
Speaker 3: talking about seeing this small harry kind of she didn't
Speaker 3: really know what to call it. She just described it
Speaker 3: as best she could. She had seen the thing kind
Speaker 3: of peeking in watching her, and their backyard was really long.
Speaker 3: It kind of the property just dropped off into this
Speaker 3: valley system and there was a big hydro cut back
Speaker 3: there too, but it was still surrounded by forest. This
Speaker 3: animal had been interacting with her for a little while,
Speaker 3: and she was telling us to the parents, and the
Speaker 3: parents were like, Okay, maybe's imaginary friend or something, right,
Speaker 3: something like that along those line. Anyways, they were all
Speaker 3: sitting out. They had a fire pit right at the
Speaker 3: back edge of their backyard, right before it drops down
Speaker 3: in the ravine, nice little wooden deck there. They had
Speaker 3: an overhang there to stop them from getting wet when
Speaker 3: it rained whatever, and had some big beautiful trees right
Speaker 3: on either side of that. As time progressed, small things
Speaker 3: started showing up on their property. They're generally regarded as
Speaker 3: gifting items, or they're called gifting items. The wife would
Speaker 3: go out to her car in the driveway and there'd
Speaker 3: be a small hand woven look like a little dream catcher,
Speaker 3: almost woven out of little twigs and stuff. And she
Speaker 3: was like just completely perplexed, right because their neighbors are
Speaker 3: really there's really no but he adjacent to their property
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. It wasn't like her childhood friend
Speaker 3: or something that came over and put it on the
Speaker 3: car and.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to sy Well be
Speaker 1: right back. After these messages.
Speaker 3: They'd also find deceased birds, but very finally placed. Not
Speaker 3: like it looked like it hit the car, and not
Speaker 3: like it came in contact with the car, but it
Speaker 3: was just like, very peacefully laid out on the hood
Speaker 3: of the car. There was a toy. It was a
Speaker 3: little toy tractor that was placed on the hood of
Speaker 3: a car. They found out a year later that toy
Speaker 3: actually belonged to a kid about half a mile down
Speaker 3: the road. But they reported that toy just went missing
Speaker 3: one day. It's not the child didn't recall losing. It
Speaker 3: was just simply left out in the yard and one
Speaker 3: day it was gone. And then next thing you know,
Speaker 3: this thing showed up on the roof of the car.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, this is all very interesting, carmeless stuff,
Speaker 3: interesting coincidences. So we were sitting out there, we'd staked
Speaker 3: out the property. I had a really good look around.
Speaker 3: There were just a massive amount out of structures on
Speaker 3: the backside of that property, all kinds of true structures.
Speaker 3: I got there about six hours before Peter did, and
Speaker 3: he's just going to have a look around. That's the
Speaker 3: first time I really think I sensed infrasound because I
Speaker 3: had spent a lot of time in this area, in
Speaker 3: the mouskoke Ca area when I was younger, because I
Speaker 3: worked out a resort there when I was in my
Speaker 3: late teens, and I spent tons of time in the
Speaker 3: woods by myself. I was never afraid of going into
Speaker 3: the woods. I was never skittish about taking a trail
Speaker 3: by myself or whatever. I know, it's all kinds of
Speaker 3: bears and wolves in the area and sully, but it
Speaker 3: never phazed me, right, I was pretty solid in my
Speaker 3: confidence in navigating the outdoors. But when I got on
Speaker 3: that property and it ran down to the backside of
Speaker 3: that property, I started seeing all those structures down there.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know what if for sound was back then.
Speaker 3: I was just like, this is very unusual, whatever these are,
Speaker 3: and I just had the most complete dreadful feeling, like
Speaker 3: real dread. It stopped me in my tracks. I went
Speaker 3: probably about thirty five yards off the back of property,
Speaker 3: and I can't go any further. There's no way and
Speaker 3: mister Smith came down later that evening and we went
Speaker 3: down and explored that area as well, and he's, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is classic stuff. What we're seeing here. These are
Speaker 3: clasp x structures, tepees. And what was fantastic is he
Speaker 3: has a very good Aboriginal friend who was an expert
Speaker 3: animal tracker. He came down the next day and we're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're going to spread out from here and we're going
Speaker 3: to explore. This is going to be our base. We're
Speaker 3: going to branch o from here and see how far
Speaker 3: we can get and see what we can find. He
Speaker 3: found all kinds of prints, everything from ten inch prints
Speaker 3: up to sixteen inch prints. He actually even found a
Speaker 3: print in the sand in a creek. This guy is
Speaker 3: so adept at finding stuff. He's an expert aboriginal tracker.
Speaker 3: This is what he did for food substence as well
Speaker 3: as being a top tier hunting guide and stuff too.
Speaker 3: So I was just blown away. This is the first
Speaker 3: time I've ever been out I interacted with a real
Speaker 3: expert in the field, and so like you're showing me
Speaker 3: always prints something. This is fantastic, This is incredible. This
Speaker 3: is literally blowing my mind. So that night, after we
Speaker 3: went and did our rekie, we decided we would sit
Speaker 3: up and stay ab really late. We'd have a bonfire
Speaker 3: off the back of the property, and Peter had some
Speaker 3: infrared binoculars and stuff like that we could be used
Speaker 3: to peer off into the We stayed up pretty late.
Speaker 3: We stayed up till around two two thirty. I don't
Speaker 3: think that's really that late, but we're all pretty tired.
Speaker 3: We had a long day hiking. It was quite a
Speaker 3: lot at that time. So I went and I slept
Speaker 3: in my car because I'd packed a sleeping bag and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. I was comfortable doing that. So when
Speaker 3: we woke up the next day, I didn't find anything
Speaker 3: on the audio recorder, and we didn't see anything overnight.
Speaker 3: But we woke up and we went back to that
Speaker 3: little patio off the back of the property. The Odor
Speaker 3: came out and showed us something. She's like, I can't
Speaker 3: take a look at guys, Like okay, she goes, we
Speaker 3: have this bag of apples that we were going to
Speaker 3: put out last night, but we never did. We forgot to.
Speaker 3: We were going to go off to the back of
Speaker 3: the property and set them up twenty five thirty yards
Speaker 3: back hopefully to lure something in, but we never did.
Speaker 3: We just forgot, she's take a look up in the tree.
Speaker 3: So we looked up in the tree and these apples
Speaker 3: had been taken out of the bag and they had
Speaker 3: been spiked onto these branches all the way up this tree.
Speaker 3: And this tree it must have been thirty five forty
Speaker 3: feet toll, but there were no lower branches on it.
Speaker 3: The first branches in the tree were probably ten feet
Speaker 3: off the ground. Wasn't a matter of a kid or
Speaker 3: someone climbing up there and scaling all the way up
Speaker 3: the tree to put these apples in there? Why would you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Why would you? But these apples were like little Christmas ornaments,
Speaker 3: like Christmas balls, stuck in all of these little branches
Speaker 3: off the tree. And I was like, what the hell?
Speaker 3: What is that all about it? And we were just
Speaker 3: all dumbfounded. This is great. And there was another time
Speaker 3: when something very similar like that happened when we were
Speaker 3: on side doing a night vigil in a park in
Speaker 3: southern Ontario. We did bring a bunch of apples that
Speaker 3: we were going to set up and put close proximity
Speaker 3: to our trail cameras and hopefully to try to catch something,
Speaker 3: which we actually.
Speaker 5: Did catch shopping on that but a number of the
Speaker 5: apples when we walked out coming down the same exact
Speaker 5: narrow path that we went in the evening before.
Speaker 3: We were leaving very early. We were leaving around just
Speaker 3: before the break of dawn. No one was out in
Speaker 3: this area. It were pretty damn far in the spot.
Speaker 3: No joggers are coming here. No one's going to be
Speaker 3: out here walking your dog or whatever. There were three
Speaker 3: apples laid exactly right in the middle of the path.
Speaker 3: You didn't leave those area, dig you, Kevin, You didn't
Speaker 3: leave there's those are digit John Paul? Absolutely not. None
Speaker 3: of us put them there. So are they trying to
Speaker 3: communicate with us? Are they trying to let us know?
Speaker 3: That kind of florid me? And I've heard other stories
Speaker 3: about that too. I've heard other things like that too,
Speaker 3: where there was a guy I think it was actually
Speaker 3: it was in one of Kris Nowall's books. The guy
Speaker 3: was out he was carrying a side arm and he
Speaker 3: lost it when he was walking across this lot, or
Speaker 3: he didn't really know where he lost it, but he
Speaker 3: had cross this log to breach this river or the
Speaker 3: stream or whatever. When he realized he'd lost it. He
Speaker 3: was completely unnerved by it, because losing a fire arms
Speaker 3: never a good thing in any way you look at it.
Speaker 3: If you looked at all the spots where he thought
Speaker 3: he may have dropped it or possibly left it, the
Speaker 3: campsite and stuff like that, just both gave up and
Speaker 3: then he walked back in one last pass, going back,
Speaker 3: passed to say his body he'd already passed twice. Right
Speaker 3: in the middle of the log was his pistol, just
Speaker 3: sitting there, perfectly dead center, right in the middle of
Speaker 3: the log, with something watching him now returning his property
Speaker 3: to him. I think most people, if they found a
Speaker 3: gun like that, they would probably turn it into local
Speaker 3: law enforcement, or maybe they would keep it. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I don't think they would leave it there in
Speaker 3: plain view. That's just dangerous. It's just so mysterious, and
Speaker 3: it makes me question their motives and how observed are
Speaker 3: we when we're out in the woods. Are they literally
Speaker 3: watching us the whole time we were there.
Speaker 1: Let's go down to Pennsylvania. The first time you on
Speaker 1: the show, we talked about this case. Give everybody a
Speaker 1: brief history before we go into this latest photograph. You
Speaker 1: mentioned it earlier. I'm looking at it right now and
Speaker 1: it is definitely a compelling photo. Just give everybody the
Speaker 1: brief history of what we're talking about in Pennsylvania, how
Speaker 1: you guys got involved in this case, and what had
Speaker 1: been going on on this property and what led us
Speaker 1: to the point where we're at this photo now that
Speaker 1: you sent me recently.
Speaker 3: Going back around three and a half years, this couple
Speaker 3: who had been living on this property for twenty five
Speaker 3: plus years contacted us. I guess they just did a
Speaker 3: Google search. Our website came up, even though we were
Speaker 3: in Canada. They still I guess we're probably likely the
Speaker 3: first thing that they came across, and they're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe these guys may be able to give some answers,
Speaker 3: so let's go ahead. And we received a form from
Speaker 3: them through our forum. We're Turk Form on our website.
Speaker 3: Generally we try to get back to people within twenty
Speaker 3: four hours, depends on the priority of the case and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. If it was like an inactive sighting
Speaker 3: in a very local spot, we may get back to
Speaker 3: them right away to try to a lot of research
Speaker 3: called ambulance chasing or whatever. But you want to get
Speaker 3: on site and see if you can procure any evidence
Speaker 3: that maybe remain there, for it's washed a way by
Speaker 3: weather or whatever. But anyways, we realized this is something
Speaker 3: that had been going on there for quite a while.
Speaker 3: Based on what they'd written in their reports. They were concerned.
Speaker 3: They were at the point now the interactions were increasing,
Speaker 3: the frequency was increasing, the anabashed behavior seeming to get
Speaker 3: increasingly raising, like repeatedly banging on the siding of the
Speaker 3: house and peeking into windows and stuff. It's alarming for
Speaker 3: kids because the they have young children there. I guess
Speaker 3: they were thinking maybe we could do some sort of
Speaker 3: like Bigfoot exorcism or something like that, and that's a
Speaker 3: veiled like banquish as the animal from their But we
Speaker 3: were read sure of them, as you know, what chances
Speaker 3: are the animals probably quite benign. You really shouldn't have
Speaker 3: too much to fear from them unless it's overtly really
Speaker 3: acting in an aggressive manner. So going down there, myself
Speaker 3: and John Paul were the first two researchers on site,
Speaker 3: and we spent two and a half three days there.
Speaker 3: And this area is not that far from Alleghany that
Speaker 3: this whole area of Pennsylvania is just a hotbed for
Speaker 3: all kinds of sasquatch activity. You hear more reports coming
Speaker 3: from this area than perhaps any other area in the
Speaker 3: States except Ohio or the Northwest. It's a very squatchy area.
Speaker 3: And when we were driving down there, we're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you could see why. The terrain down here and everything,
Speaker 3: and the access to water and everything's just fantastic. There's
Speaker 3: everything here. So we did a survey of the property.
Speaker 3: Sure enough, we found structures. As previously mentioned, we were
Speaker 3: told to the account of the Mennonites who were hired
Speaker 3: to clear the adjacent property, which they also owned, their
Speaker 3: draft horses would not go into that property. They were
Speaker 3: fearful of something that was in there which the owners
Speaker 3: of this business had never seen before, and they just
Speaker 3: simply couldn't get the horses to go in there. They
Speaker 3: were terrified. We suspected that's due to the animal perhaps
Speaker 3: living in that part of the property. So we did
Speaker 3: a good wrecky of the area. We found some very
Speaker 3: unusual car ring saying trees that it almost looked like
Speaker 3: they were from a satan and cultu or something like that,
Speaker 3: which I have never said anything like it before, And
Speaker 3: they explained to me these carvers were very old, but
Speaker 3: the odd occasional still see flickers of fire coming from
Speaker 3: away in the back portion of that property. If there's
Speaker 3: activity going on back there that they don't necessarily want.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying there's any connection there. There's likely not,
Speaker 3: just they were very unusual. We did a couple of
Speaker 3: night vigils down there. We set up some audio recorders
Speaker 3: and stuff. When we were in the back of the property,
Speaker 3: it was very late, around two in the morning. We
Speaker 3: were all standing around a big oil drum fire because
Speaker 3: it was freezing. It was late October. All we heard
Speaker 3: was this massive bang, this massive sup coming from the
Speaker 3: front of the house. The homeowner, the wife was in
Speaker 3: bed sleeping at the time. We were in the back
Speaker 3: with the husband as well as a gentleman named David Wargo,
Speaker 3: who was a very good researcher from Pennsylvania. What the
Speaker 3: hell was that everybody was added for? We ran around
Speaker 3: to the front of the house. Path of us went
Speaker 3: in one direction, half of us went in the other
Speaker 3: directions to see if we could head off whatever had
Speaker 3: done this. Rand it out into the driveway. We were
Speaker 3: trying to When we got there, Unfortunately there was nothing there,
Speaker 3: but we all heard it. It was a massive bang,
Speaker 3: like really aggressive, really loud, and we're like trying to
Speaker 3: replicate the sound. So we were banging on the siding,
Speaker 3: we're banging on the wooden stairs. We were able to
Speaker 3: replicate the sound pretty much exactly. It sounded something like
Speaker 3: very heavy, just stomped down really hard on the wooden
Speaker 3: stair well out in the front of the house. And
Speaker 3: they said, oh, yeah, this happens a lot, this happens regularly,
Speaker 3: So that happened. They showed us some partial casts of footprints.
Speaker 3: They were doing a very good job of documenting whatever
Speaker 3: they were finding on their property. And the activity has
Speaker 3: not dropped off there at all. So we have cameras
Speaker 3: down there, we have audio recorders. We're trying to use
Speaker 3: the best technology that we have again to try to
Speaker 3: get a good image. That photo that you're seeing. If
Speaker 3: this animal standing at the front porch was taken by
Speaker 3: the family member just looking out the window, and just
Speaker 3: notice this big shadow figure that was standing there. Even
Speaker 3: if it was someone in a caution, the proportions are
Speaker 3: all wrong. The size. That's not a six foot person
Speaker 3: in a costume. There's just no way. We have one
Speaker 3: of our members going down there on every three week
Speaker 3: cycle to gather up the SD cards from all the
Speaker 3: auto recorders, and it's just a bear of a time
Speaker 3: going through all that audio, but we have to do right.
Speaker 3: It's a bit easier when you can look at it
Speaker 3: in a spectr rim and kind of be able to
Speaker 3: suss out where something unusual may be right. But it's
Speaker 3: still so much work, so we're rash really hoping we
Speaker 3: can get some more volunteers and stuffing may be interested
Speaker 3: in wanting to assist with that. It's still a very
Speaker 3: octive site for us. We're still hoping to get lucky there.
Speaker 1: I can tell you from personal experience, I have recorded
Speaker 1: a shit ton of audio in the past. I use Audacity,
Speaker 1: I use other things. I can get through five or
Speaker 1: six hours of audio and a fraction of the time
Speaker 1: I got that's a lot because you look more than
Speaker 1: you listen when you're looking for audio. Once you learn
Speaker 1: to use house programs like Anassy, it's a labor of love.
Speaker 3: But every once in a while you catch something really
Speaker 3: interesting and it's wow, what the hell was that? I
Speaker 3: send you that video that tree knocking currencies that were
Speaker 3: happening at that campsite. Set that recorder road fairly late,
Speaker 3: and I put it off the backside of the opposite
Speaker 3: side of the roadway coming in, and like around two
Speaker 3: thirty there's just this one off, very primal sounding scream.
Speaker 3: We had a massive rain, the likes of which I've
Speaker 3: almost never seen before the evening before it cleared out
Speaker 3: the entire campsite. It literally rained so hard everyone just left,
Speaker 3: So it was the three of us that remained to stay.
Speaker 3: We stayed overnight that night and the following night. There
Speaker 3: was one other family that was three plots down from us.
Speaker 3: Every time their car was coming or going, there was
Speaker 3: a succession of tree knocks that were going off, saying
Speaker 3: the oncoming car or the car leaving. You can hear
Speaker 3: them by the difference in the timber and the pitch.
Speaker 3: You can actually hear one sounds closer than the second one,
Speaker 3: and the second one sounds like it's coming from the
Speaker 3: opposite direction. The third one's coming from way off. But
Speaker 3: for sure they're absolutely notifying each other. They're like watching
Speaker 3: and they're signaling each other that hey, look this is happening.
Speaker 3: This car's coming, this car is leaving. Careful don't mind yourself,
Speaker 3: don't be standing out in the open and be careful.
Speaker 3: So it's when stuff like that happens, it's it's just yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just very interesting to me. That's what keeps me
Speaker 3: really excited about putting the audit recorders out every time
Speaker 3: we go, because more oftentimes than not, I don't actually
Speaker 3: hear anything in real time. I don't hear what's actually
Speaker 3: happening because the microphones in this unit are really sensitive.
Speaker 3: Then when I go over it and find all this stuff,
Speaker 3: I'm like, my god, Yeah, they were like right around us,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent, like for sure they were there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I definitely want to get into this compelling tooth situation.
Speaker 1: But before we get there, there's a couple of other
Speaker 1: things I wanted to talk about. You sent me a
Speaker 1: link to a YouTube video about the possible usage of tools.
Speaker 1: This is something that has come up a couple of times.
Speaker 1: I've talked to Scott Carpenter and Randy Harrington out at
Speaker 1: the four hundred here and the United States, and it's
Speaker 1: something that's come up a couple of times about possible
Speaker 1: tool usage when it comes to Bigfoot, specifically with the
Speaker 1: four hundred and Scott and Randy's investigations and a couple
Speaker 1: of other places I've discovered over the last few months.
Speaker 1: These things are possibly using sticks to dig holes. Oh,
Speaker 1: you guys found something a little bit different. So would
Speaker 1: you mind talking a little bit about what you guys
Speaker 1: found as far as this possible tool usage and hunting
Speaker 1: on a game trail?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, myself John Paul Kevin, we're returning to this
Speaker 3: particular tractive forest about an hour and a half north
Speaker 3: of Toronto. We've done a night vigil previously in the spot.
Speaker 3: When I reviewed the audio the next day, there were
Speaker 3: some good indicators that there was some animals in the
Speaker 3: area for sure, like some very low guttural grunts, some
Speaker 3: very power knocks which you referred to, and you were
Speaker 3: talking about your property. Lots of tree breakages, branch snapping
Speaker 3: and stuff, and whipedal walking around us. So they were there.
Speaker 3: So we're like, wet's go back to this area. Let's
Speaker 3: set aside a whole day and let's just really explore
Speaker 3: the area. It was about a I would say, a
Speaker 3: fifteen minute walk in. We basically went off trail completely
Speaker 3: when it came to this one bend and we just
Speaker 3: started beating our way through really thick bush, really heavy
Speaker 3: mixed conifer, indsciduous stuff, a lot of really impassable horizontal
Speaker 3: logs and stuff, just nasty terrain, nasty stuff. Tildooper, Let's
Speaker 3: just push through. Let's see what we can find. So
Speaker 3: we were probably in maybe about two hours, just looking
Speaker 3: for signs of passage in the area, perhaps like seasonal
Speaker 3: transitory signage, right, different patterns of twists or brakes or stuff.
Speaker 3: I noticed that there it looked like a pretty faint
Speaker 3: game trail that was sneaking its way through. It was
Speaker 3: like groundcover almost wasn't really like both like ivy, but
Speaker 3: it was very close to the ground. But I could
Speaker 3: definitely see there was This had been used by regularly
Speaker 3: by probably dare or whatever other animals. So I just
Speaker 3: followed it along. I'm like, okay, always a good thing
Speaker 3: to investigate. And when I came around this one bend,
Speaker 3: I was looking down and I bump my shoe into
Speaker 3: what was this appendage sticking out of the ground. I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: it's just a stick or whatever. It's like a stick
Speaker 3: kind of poking out of the ground. So I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go down and have a look at it.
Speaker 3: And then I pulled it out of the ground. I
Speaker 3: looked at the end of it. It was about, I'm guessing,
Speaker 3: probably around twenty four inches long, No, maybe longer. Not actually,
Speaker 3: maybe it's thirty inches long. Very hard. I don't know
Speaker 3: if it was maple or whatever, but it's definitely hard
Speaker 3: to win. And I looked at the end of it,
Speaker 3: and the end of it looked like it had been
Speaker 3: chewed on. But it was in a very conical pattern,
Speaker 3: not a perfect spike, but definitely shaped and forms into
Speaker 3: the shape of a sharp spike like an implement. But
Speaker 3: there were no cut marks on it like you'd see
Speaker 3: from a knife or any like that. It literally looked
Speaker 3: like something that had been formed in nature, but it's
Speaker 3: impossible for it to have been formed by itself in nature.
Speaker 3: It looked almost like something that chewed on it, because
Speaker 3: it looked like it had little likes that like a
Speaker 3: little missing shoe marks out of it, or maybe it
Speaker 3: was rubbed on a stone or something like that. But
Speaker 3: it was hard as hell, and I'm like, wow, what
Speaker 3: the hell is this? And when I with my left
Speaker 3: foot forward, I realized there was another one based in
Speaker 3: an opposition of it. So I reached down and I grabbed that.
Speaker 3: I pulled it out. Similar pattern, similar length, similar hardwood,
Speaker 3: similar spiky point on it. Not identical. It was not manufactured.
Speaker 3: It was a naturally occurring grown implement that had been modified.
Speaker 3: Then continued to look and it pulled the brush away.
Speaker 3: There was two more. I'm like, holy shit, that's literally
Speaker 3: what I said. So when I pulled them out, I
Speaker 3: realized I shouldn't have done that. I realized I was
Speaker 3: a mistake after I did it, because I should have
Speaker 3: documented it first. So there were two spikes facing in
Speaker 3: a convergent pattern and crossing each other to further four
Speaker 3: to five the strength of them being stuck in the ground.
Speaker 3: These four sticks sticking near the ground exactly at the
Speaker 3: height that would be pretty much right at the level
Speaker 3: of the belly of a deer. So they were really
Speaker 3: placed conscientiously, and they were not easy to remove. I
Speaker 3: could just imagine if something had either been chased across
Speaker 3: that or had been pursued and ran an animal across those,
Speaker 3: My god, the damage it would have caused to that
Speaker 3: animal would have been gruesome, if not fatal. So I'm like, wow,
Speaker 3: this is really interesting. This isn't a really remote spot.
Speaker 3: There's no signs of any tree stands, hinting stands, cigarette
Speaker 3: butts anywhere, no signs of human activity at all.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch outasy. We'll be right
Speaker 1: back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Like I said, the area where in it is really impossible.
Speaker 3: I was like, what there? Who are these? This has
Speaker 3: been done conscientiously to either kill an animal or to
Speaker 3: maim it to the point where it would literally be helpless.
Speaker 3: Who would do that? There's only two possibilities because it
Speaker 3: would have required hands to do this, either humans or
Speaker 3: the animal of our Corey'd be very interest if you
Speaker 3: could point out the details of the episodes where Tulius
Speaker 3: is mentioned. Because I looked, I wasn't able to find anything,
Speaker 3: So I'd be very interest to listen to what they found,
Speaker 3: because this really blew me away. You can see what
Speaker 3: the sticks look like on the video. And after that,
Speaker 3: when we came out and we continued on searching, we
Speaker 3: came across this massive tepee structure of like twelve feet tall.
Speaker 3: In that video, I overlay the audio that we captured
Speaker 3: at our overnight session the week before, so you get
Speaker 3: to hear the audio from the overnight. Plus see this
Speaker 3: tree structured, which was amazing not that far from where
Speaker 3: these sticks were found. So another interesting correlation. After I
Speaker 3: saw that, I was like, Okay, I'm going to do
Speaker 3: some research and see what kind of tools crimates to
Speaker 3: you is if they do. I had no idea that
Speaker 3: now scientists consider various troops of macaws and chims and
Speaker 3: stuff like that are now considered to be living in
Speaker 3: their own version of stone Age. They're actually now regularly
Speaker 3: using stone implements. It's not that sophisticated yet. They're mostly
Speaker 3: using them for crushing nuts and stuff like that. But
Speaker 3: there was one species of monkey, I think they were
Speaker 3: off the IY coast or something, where they were using
Speaker 3: them to smash crabs like otters opening up a claim
Speaker 3: or something. Right, they're using these rocks to break open
Speaker 3: shells and stuff. But they were so successful at this,
Speaker 3: they were so adaptive at this, they actually now decimated
Speaker 3: the entire population of that area. Now the scientists are like,
Speaker 3: now that they've learned how to use them, now that
Speaker 3: they've wiped out the food that they were using them for,
Speaker 3: they'll probably use them anymore, and they'll probably forget how
Speaker 3: to use them. So I guess it's all adaptive. It's
Speaker 3: like adaptability to your environment, right. Yeah, for sure, primatesy
Speaker 3: sticks to prod into trees to get answer. They'll use
Speaker 3: them to skim off algae out of utter bodies and stuff.
Speaker 3: That's what we were doing, like millions of years ago,
Speaker 3: left to their own devices to keep going. Who knows
Speaker 3: how far they would go. But when I saw this example,
Speaker 3: this took a really high level of planning and thought
Speaker 3: process to facilitate. So I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 3: if Bigfoot's capable of such a thought process on that level,
Speaker 3: But that was just fascinated when I saw it. Fascinated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as soon as I saw the video, I thought
Speaker 1: the same thing. I've heard of a couple of different instances.
Speaker 1: Area X comes to mind. With the North American Wood
Speaker 1: Ape Conservancy, they have found what they call nut crushing
Speaker 1: stations where there have been what looks like tool usage
Speaker 1: from what they believe to be sasquatch crushing these nuts,
Speaker 1: leaving the holes behind, taking the nut out. Again, I
Speaker 1: mentioned it before you told the story. You just told
Speaker 1: about the stuff that Scott and Randy Harrington have found
Speaker 1: out at the four hundred. I can't explain what they're
Speaker 1: doing or why they're doing it the birth, but they're
Speaker 1: finding these holes that are sometimes six eight nine inches deep.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're finding the stick that was used to dig
Speaker 1: this hole. I don't know what they're using it for. Obviously,
Speaker 1: anything that you're going to project on that is purely
Speaker 1: subjective about what sasquatch may be digging these holes for.
Speaker 1: But it does indicate to me some sort of tool usage.
Speaker 1: I found that really interesting. I want to be respect
Speaker 1: for your time before we get out of here. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about this tooth situation that you guys
Speaker 1: are currently involved in. You sent me quite a few photos. Obviously,
Speaker 1: all the videos and all the photos we've talked about
Speaker 1: tonight with David will be linked over on Paranormal World
Speaker 1: Productions dot com. All you gotta do is go to
Speaker 1: the Sasquatch out a Sea blog at the top of
Speaker 1: the page and you can see these We will link
Speaker 1: to their YouTube channel so you can watch all the videos.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about this tooth, David. I am
Speaker 1: compelled by these photographs. It's hard to tell scale in
Speaker 1: the photos, but can you talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: this mysterious tooth that appears to be according to what
Speaker 1: you sent me, about two hundred years old. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the origin of this. How did you guys come
Speaker 1: involved in this situation? And talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: the tooth and what you know about it.
Speaker 3: Sure, in terms of relative scale, we didn't put a
Speaker 3: ruler beside the teeth per se, but it's placed on
Speaker 3: grid paper, so we thought that might be able to
Speaker 3: give a decent estimation size. So it's not just a tooth,
Speaker 3: it's actually a series of teeth that they're not in
Speaker 3: our immediate possession, but they are in the possession of
Speaker 3: the person who discovered them, who was working on a
Speaker 3: construction site in rith and Toronto. Through the course of
Speaker 3: their workday, excavated these teeth. Didn't know what he had,
Speaker 3: was very curious. He found them to be very unusual,
Speaker 3: which they are. To this day, we still haven't reached
Speaker 3: any consensus. We've sent photos of them off to experts
Speaker 3: in China regarding gigant epithegus to veterinarians to a university
Speaker 3: and there's been no consensus at all as to what
Speaker 3: they are. The most interesting part of the story is
Speaker 3: the owner of the teeth submitting one of them for
Speaker 3: examination to the Royal Ontario Museum, which is a very
Speaker 3: highly regarded museum in Toronto, Ontario, and they have an
Speaker 3: excellent paleontology department, especially he left one of the teeth
Speaker 3: with them for them to conduct a DNA study on,
Speaker 3: so after a significant amount. The details are a little
Speaker 3: nefarious because I wish we were able to confirm the
Speaker 3: letter that he received, because he got confirmation back from
Speaker 3: the museum after their DNA study that the tooth was
Speaker 3: identified as being too Gigantipithecus black heat, but the tooth
Speaker 3: was not old enough to be fossilized. The tooth was
Speaker 3: only carbonated to less than two hundred years old, which means,
Speaker 3: if that was in fact correct, that Gigantipithecus must have
Speaker 3: lived in this part of Ontario that recently, which would
Speaker 3: be pretty major breakthrough, a pretty major discovery. There's been
Speaker 3: all kinds of hypothesis that the animal came across the
Speaker 3: Bearing Bridge from Asia, because Gigantipithecus was prolific throughout ty Lanch,
Speaker 3: Rna and Cambodia and all these areas of Asia. But
Speaker 3: as far as I know, there's never been any record
Speaker 3: of it in North America, so pretty big deal. One
Speaker 3: of the photos that we got, we can see where
Speaker 3: there had been a hole drilled into the looked like
Speaker 3: the nerve or the root of the tooth. It had
Speaker 3: a blue number written on it, so obviously it was
Speaker 3: catalogued by the museum. They had taken a sample. Now
Speaker 3: here's the strange part. I have to keep things at
Speaker 3: a certain level of generality out of respect to the owner.
Speaker 3: But apparently in receipt of the results, it was stated
Speaker 3: that the tooth was from that animal, and the preceding
Speaker 3: paragraph stated that we had the unfortunate news to tell
Speaker 3: you that the sample was destroyed during testing, Yet the
Speaker 3: tooth was in the envelope that he received back. There
Speaker 3: was some kind of mishap or screw up on behalf
Speaker 3: of the museum, either intentionally trying to mislead the owner
Speaker 3: or it was an honest mistake. But we've all heard
Speaker 3: rumors about the Smithsonian hiding all kinds of details regarding
Speaker 3: North American giants and all these burial mounds in the
Speaker 3: United States, right, So I hate to be the propagator
Speaker 3: of conspiracy theories, but that to me did not look good.
Speaker 3: We're now in the process of trying to convince the
Speaker 3: owner to allow us to have another partial sample so
Speaker 3: we could submit it to mister Darby Orcott who's doing
Speaker 3: a geneum study. So we're trying to get further confirmation
Speaker 3: of this chief is in fact from binnimal, but so
Speaker 3: far all votes are ouched.
Speaker 1: I can tell you the photographs that I'm looking at
Speaker 1: a game will post them on the website. You guys,
Speaker 1: head over and look at the Sasquatch Odyssey blog at
Speaker 1: the top of the page there. They're definitely compelling, They're
Speaker 1: definitely interesting. I have never seen anything like them. I'm curious, though,
Speaker 1: did the owner of the tooth or the teeth. Was
Speaker 1: he able to or she able to produce the letter
Speaker 1: that came back with the gigantopithecus designation from the DNA
Speaker 1: sample that was taken from the tooth. Are you able
Speaker 1: to have access to that and actually verify that's what
Speaker 1: came back from these initial tests.
Speaker 3: I wish I could say that would be something I
Speaker 3: would have liked to have held in my hands personally
Speaker 3: the owner they lost the letter unfortunately or was misplaced
Speaker 3: because during a move, which is really unfortunate. They still
Speaker 3: have the samples. They still have the physical teeth, but
Speaker 3: this person has no reason to why. Plus when I'm
Speaker 3: looking at one of the pictures of the teeth, you
Speaker 3: can clearly see there was a drill hole on the
Speaker 3: bottom of one of the root systems, plus a number
Speaker 3: written on it. It looks like it was cataloged by it.
Speaker 3: So I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because
Speaker 3: they unfortunately now they become very distrustful with the authorities
Speaker 3: for obvious reasons. So I don't think this person's trying
Speaker 3: to fabricate a story at all. I think they realize
Speaker 3: they potentially may have something of very great significance and
Speaker 3: they're not sure how to proceed with it. We're trying
Speaker 3: to help them along. We're trying to help them get
Speaker 3: some answers. How to get this person some answers. So
Speaker 3: I wish I could show you that letter, but unfortunately
Speaker 3: I don't have it myself.
Speaker 1: Darby is somebody I consider a friend. He's right here
Speaker 1: in my home state of North Carolina. So if and
Speaker 1: when they give you the okay, if I can in
Speaker 1: any way facilitate getting that sample to Darby, I will
Speaker 1: certainly be willing to help facilitate that because I think
Speaker 1: it's definitely something that should be pursued and is definitely interesting. David,
Speaker 1: As always, I appreciate you coming on and sharing all
Speaker 1: of the information. Again, if you guys want to watch
Speaker 1: any of the videos, I will have them all linked
Speaker 1: directly to their YouTube channel over on Paranormal World Productions
Speaker 1: dot com. Check out the Sasquortch obviously blog at the
Speaker 1: top of the page. David, I've had a blast talking
Speaker 1: to you. Thanks so much for coming on the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me again.
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Speaker 3: I hope it was mutually beneficial.
Speaker 1: That's what it's all about. We always learn a little something.
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