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Speaker 1: At a book in.

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Speaker 2: Tonight's guest has always been terrified of were wolves, and

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poor thing. When you hear about what she experienced when

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she was only four years old, is totally understandable. It

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was nineteen eighty five and unfortunately in the safety of

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her own home, that's when she had it absolutely horrible.

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After having experience like that, it's totally understandable why you'd

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be terrified of them. Without getting any further into the details,

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let's bring her on here now. Tonight's guest is Kay. Okay,

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welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Vic, and hello to everybody.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Cay,

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please give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I am forty five years old. I live in

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Pennsylvania and I have been outdoors my whole life, always

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in the woods. My family are some of them are hunters.

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I love animals, so I'm always helping wild animals. I

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have three grown children and I have grandchildren as well,

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and we're always always outside doing something. Fishing is like

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one of my big things. But in twenty twelve, I

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was in a very bad accident and I ended up

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with a lot of injuries, and I have a traumatic

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brain injury. So I just wanted you and everybody to

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know tonight. Sometimes I do have a little bit of

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issues with my brain. But I'm sure I can just

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work through all of that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure you're going to do just fine. Don't

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think it's going to be a problem at all. Okay,

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from what I understand, there was a two year stretch

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when you weren't able to go into the woods for

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fear of having another dog me an encounter. How'd you

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overcome that fear and start going back in?

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Speaker 1: Well, Uh, I have really bad insidey even thinking about that.

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I moved. First of all, I moved, and then we

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actually ended up moving. We moved pretty much right up

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against little did I know, like a huge, huge force

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that is a big hot spot actually to them. But

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my family were really outdoors and my son kept saying

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finding all these trails. So we started going out on

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the trails. And it's a part of the Appalachian Trail

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as well. The Appalation runs along there. The Georgia and

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Maine on trails were right on on some of the

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other trails that we went, and we just he said,

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let's just give it a shot because he knew, and

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we packed up our tents and went out there and

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we got through the evening. It was a little tough,

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but once once we did that, I felt a lot

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better and we started doing all of our hiking and

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stuff again. But that also did lead to more encounters, unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: But I am glad that you're able to head back in.

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I mean, as long as you're doing that, that's a

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great start. Oh yes, yeah, definitely. Before you spoke with

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me about your encounters, a very experienced dog Man researcher

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helped you. What more can you tell us about that?

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Speaker 1: I once, all right, So once I didn't know about

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dog Man, not until I would say it was I

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want to say twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen pretty much,

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maybe closer to twenty eighteen. But one of my family

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members said, hey, you know, you should check out YouTube.

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There's some really cool stuff that you would be interested

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in it. I actually happened to just look up what

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I had seen, and I came upon your show and

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I listened to the first one I ever listened to

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was Danielle Steadman's. When I listened to that, I was hoped.

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I played every episode that you ever had at that time,

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and I just could not believe. It actually floored me

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that so many other people saw these creatures and that

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they were all over and that it had a name,

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dog Man, Like that was the first time that I

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ever actually you know, like I was just blown away

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that other people had seen it and it had a name.

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And from there I was pretty much, I would say,

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definitely obsessed, but still super super scared, super scared.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can understand, why did you think there were

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were wolves that you had seen until you discovered the

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term dog man?

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Speaker 1: Actually, yes, I thought they were. That's exactly what I

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thought they were. And my cousin and other people who

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were with me for the different for well, for the

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two encounters, that's what I thought, and I didn't. I

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only thought that because of the experience I had in

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nineteen eighty five when I was about five. You know,

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my family was strict. We didn't watch We weren't allowed

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to watch any kind of scary movies. I mean I was,

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I wasn't even in kindergarten. We had bedtime, but one

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night my cousin and I we had crept out and

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crawled and wanted to see what our parents were watching

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in the living room. While at that time it wasn't

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nineteen eighty five, it was i'd say eighty seven because

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I was definitely a little bit older. We came out

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and we saw it was the howling, and once I

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saw that, that traumatized everything. That's kind of what it

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reminded me of what I had seen kind of and

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that's why I was like werewolf. But I didn't think

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a person changed into it. It like when I've seen them.

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I thought that it was definitely like a creature of living, breathing,

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bleeding creature.

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Speaker 2: Well it's a small help, but I am glad you

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realized it wasn't something a case of a person transforming

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into that state. That yeah, probably didn't help too much,

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but it helped little.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it definitely did, but it was still super super

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uh super crazy. And then the more I listened to you,

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the more information it just it it takes you down

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a rabbit hole. And I tried. I still try to

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listen to everything and try and just gain as much

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knowledge as as I can, because nobody really knows everything,

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and when people share stuff, that's how you just put

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everything together and just try and figure it out.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, that's a really good point. How did

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you wind up meeting al Seantariga, because I know he

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helped you quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yes he did so. He He and I I've

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been on I wined different excuse me, Facebook groups a

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couple of years ago, not not too long not too

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long ago, probably during COVID, and I had actually met

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him in one of those groups, and I me and

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him became Facebook friends as well, and I heard him

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on your show and it just it blew me away.

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I didn't realize after like having it. I listened to

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his encounters and I was just like wow. And then

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I had reached out to him, and he told me too.

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He was like, you know, if you're going to talk

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to anybody, definitely Vic. He's a really good guy. He'll

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definitely help you through it. And he was even willing

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to come along and talk with with you and I

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at the time, but uh, it just didn't work out

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that way. I ended up talking to you myself, which

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was fine. But he's he's a really nice guy. He

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is really really nice. He's a great guy.

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Speaker 2: That he is. Yeah, he's top notch. He really is.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't get enough credit. I mean, the man deserves

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so much more credit than he actually ever gets. It's

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not even funny.

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Speaker 1: Yep, No, he really does. He's a really great guy.

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Speaker 2: Well, no doubt about that. Your recent your most recent

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encounter happened in twenty twenty two. Do you think that's

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going to be the last one you're ever going to have?

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Speaker 1: No, definitely, I don't think not. Twenty twenty two was actually, yes,

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definitely an encounter. Now I have seen them after that,

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but I have not had, you know, a one on

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one encounter with them, Like I've been driving where I've

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seen them, or I'll catch glimpses, but not an actual

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you know what I mean, encounter. But yeah, twenty twenty

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two is the last encounter that I had.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it's not going to come as any

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surprise to you when I say this, but I'd be

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astonished if that was actually the last encounter you wind

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up having. I think you've got more in the horizon. Unfortunately, yes,

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so do I.

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Speaker 1: But like I said, listening and learning as much as

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possible definitely seems to help. It doesn't, I mean, it

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still doesn't take away when you actually see one and

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you're there. People don't really realize, like it it's so different,

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you're not thinking about any of that stuff, Like because

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you're just so I couldn't even move.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure. Yeah, that young, and I'll bet you

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were frozen. Well that's talking about the first encounter when

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you're only four. But no matter how old you are,

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I mean, that type of tear is going to make

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you freeze in most cases. Though I totally get what

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you're saying.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is too, not just that, it's you're

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not sure which one you're going to run into with

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the temperament, you know what I mean, Like some of

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them are just nasty, and then there's some that just

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don't want to be bothered, you know, or you just

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that's the other chance you're taking.

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Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt, no doubt about that. All right, Kay,

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in your own good time, Please tell us about your encounters. Now,

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give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Okay. It was nineteen eighty five. I lived in Dauphin

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County at that time, and in my neighborhood there were woods,

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a lot of woods at that time, but I lived

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in just a normal two story house. I was five

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years old. I lived with my mom and dad and

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my two cousins. I was the oldest. Our house was

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just like the level, all right. So if you're standing

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on our grass outside, there would be the windows at

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the bottom of the basement level where you could just

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look right in, obviously, And then if you're standing still

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on the grass, but the windows above you, we had

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an apple tree there. It's not tall enough for a

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human to stand and look in, but something a little

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bit taller than us could obviously definitely look in. But

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what had happened? It was nighttime, it was bedtime. I

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was staying in the living room with my mom. We

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and there was a TV directly in front of us,

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where we both could just look straight ahead. The TV

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was off, and since you couldn't see outside by standing

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on the grass in our house, my mom had just

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sheer white curtains you could see through them. And the

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curtains were open, they were pushed open. The windows weren't.

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already asleep that night, and I got woken up. I

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heard this tapping, and where I was laying on the couch,

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my head my feet were closer to the window. My

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head was further away. So I kept hearing this tapping

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and tapping, and it was just over and over, and

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at my mom because I couldn't understand why she couldn't

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hear it, because it was pretty loud. And I looked

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back and I looked around, and finally I looked at

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the windows and all I saw it first. They were ginormous,

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just big red eyes, like just deep red red red eyes,

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just staring in the window at me. Nothing was blinking

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at that time. It was still tapping, and then it stopped.

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that's when I did see it blink. It was just

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eyes at that time, and I just kept staring at

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the window, and I just couldn't understand, like because I'd

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never seen a scary movie at that time, not any

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kind of scary movie, but I felt the fear. I

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was very scared. I just kept staring at it. And

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then that's when it was all black, like pitch black dark.

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against the window, and now the eyes were really far apart,

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so it was like it took a lot of the

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window up, like you could see the red eyes. But

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it pressed its face against the window and you could

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see it's like black nose, and you could see a

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little bit when it was breathing, but you could see

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its teeth, and it was just smiling at me, and

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it wasn't a nice smile. I knew that as a kid,

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I knew that there was something not right with this,

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dog at the window. And then it started the tapping again,

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and it was still just smiling. It had its mouth

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open a little bit. You could still see its eyes

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mom again, and I could just feel this fear. I

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was shaking. I decided to climb down off the couch.

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I took my blanket and I went behind the couch

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and I crawled down behind the couch closer to the window.

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If that makes sense. I had went in where my

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head was at and I crawled all the way down

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to get to the bottom where my feet had been

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closer to the window. To see to peek out like

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where I could see up at that window. And I did,

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and it was still there. It knew exactly where I was.

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It was looking down right at me. It was still tapping,

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still smiling. And I went back into the couch like

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I was still behind it, and I remember covering up.

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I was shaking, and at some point I must must

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have just fallen asleep, because the next day I woke up.

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It was daytime. My mother was already cooking breakfast, and

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I remember I came out from behind there and I

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told her, I said, there was a really big dog

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at the window with eyes red eyes. And my mom said,

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you just had a bad dream. And you know, I

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thought about it, and I was like, maybe I did.

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It felt too real to me, But I mean I

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was five, So that was the first encounter. Now me,

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I still lived in that same house. We had a

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whole bunch of neighborhood friends, all of us kids. There

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was a whole bunch of us. We would all get

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together and this was just s right after you know,

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I was five, I went into kindergarten, got into elementary,

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so I was a little bit older. I was still

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in like the elementary phase. The years of that, all

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of us would get together and we would decide to

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play games like kick the can or you know, we'd

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play football. We liked when it would get dark. That's

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when we liked to play all kinds of different games

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at night. So the kids and I and I'm still

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friends with a lot of my childhood friends, they remember this.

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We used to go in my backyard because my backyard

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had a lot of trees kind of like woods in

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the back there there's a lot of pine trees, big

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trees that you could climb. There was some tall grass

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and stuff. But we always would remember that occasionally when

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we would be in the one side of that area,

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there was always a darker side. It just seemed it

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just felt weird. At that side where the mulberry trees

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and stuff were, we would see those red eyes. And

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that was the craziest thing to us. We would see

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those red eyes, not just me, all of them. We

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would just take off running as kids, run back down

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to the front where it was lit with the street lights,

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and we would all talk about that and we would

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try to avoid it, but we did see those red eyes.

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Over a couple of years, it never exposed itself. I

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can't say exactly if that's what it was, but all

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of us would see those red eyes for a while.

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So my second encounter was in I would say, let's see,

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I would say nineteen ninety five, maybe ninety six. I

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was fifteen. I know that. So my cousins grew up

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with me, and my cousins actually had moved to an

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apartment with their mom. That was about i'd say, driving

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seven minutes from the house that I grew up in.

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With the encounter, they move out to Susquehanna area, and

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my cousin was super young. I would say she was.

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I want to say she was maybe twelve, maybe thirteen.

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But I went over to her apartment building. And now

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this apartment building, let me explain it to you. There

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was a three or four actually there was four or

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five different buildings. It was well lit. There was dumpster

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areas when you walked up to any of the buildings,

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but her building, I'll just keep it with her building.

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You have to go over this like little concrete bridge

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with railing. It takes you up to the door where

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you either have to use your key or you have

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to buzz somebody in. You cannot just open that door

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without that key or without someone buzzing you in, so

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nothing could just enter enter the building. And it had

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a bunch of glass so you could see out. You

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could see the parking lot, you could see the dumpster.

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There was a little playground. So I was at her

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house and she was outside playing. This was towards evening,

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it was just starting to It was in fall time too.

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I know that because it was a little bit chilly.

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I remember it was like a little round dinner time.

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So I was making us something to eat. I was

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waiting for her to come in. So she comes in,

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and she lived on the second floor. So when you

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walked into that building, when you walked up to that

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door and let yourself in with either you know, buzzing

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somebody or the key, when you walked in those doors,

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you could either go the steps downstairs to the basement,

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or you could take the steps up to the second

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floor and go through the door that was her apartment,

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or you could turn and go up another flight of

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steps to the third floor. So it was a three

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story building. She lived on the second story. So she

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had come inside and she was crying and shaking, and

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she said that there was a werewolf outside and I

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laughed at her. I laughed so hard. I was like, no,

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there's not and I was like, what's wrong with you?

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And I was like, you're just trying to scare me?

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And then I looked at her and realized like she

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wasn't playing around. She was still crying, she was still shaking,

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she had a lot of tears. And I asked her.

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I was like, what do you mean there's a werewolf outside.

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She's like, there's a really big brown werewolf outside by

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the dumpsters. And she's like, I saw it before, but

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I didn't really know. I saw it during daytime when

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I was going catching the bus in the morning. And

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she's like, I just didn't tell you because I just

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really didn't know. So I told her. I said I'm

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going to go out and look. And she started really

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crying then, and she was grabbing me saying please don't

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go out there, like please, it will get you. And

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I told her no, I want to go see. I said,

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we'll be fine. Nobody can get into the doors. So

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she decided to come with me, and she was like

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clinging onto my shirt and right behind me. So we

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walked out of her door and we walked down the

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steps to the first floor to that door that you

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the buzz and when we're standing at that door, it's

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well lit, like by now the lamp post lights were on,

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so they had come on. And when you're standing at

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the door looking at the parking lot, you have to

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look just a little to the left and you'll see

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it was a concrete wall like that went kind of

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halfway around, if that makes sense, and two big dumpsters,

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like the large dumpsters. So when I looked over to

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the left, what I saw at first was it was

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walking on all four and it was it just like

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blew my mind a little bit. I was trying to

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process what I was seeing because it was so big.

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When it was walking on all four I was looking

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at the back of it, and the back was like

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so it was it was like hot almost. It was

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so high up towards the dumpster. And then I started

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really like looking at it, and it's walking around the dumpster.

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And when it had come back around, it was back

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bright in front of us, like where you could see everything.

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It it like put its hands up on the dumpster

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and it literally it didn't pull itself up at all.

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It's like it just stood right up with it. I

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didn't hear anything. I don't know. I was brilliant shock.

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So we both watched. It was her first time to

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seeing it stand up. It stood straight up. Its arms

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were like really long, and I noticed at first that

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it had hands, not dog palls. It had hands, and

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it had grabbed onto the dumpster. You could see nails

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it had. Its ears were kind of on the top

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of its head. This one, this one was very mangy looking.

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It looked sick. It had It looked really skinny, It

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looked older, It looked dirty. It was missing a lot

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of fur. And when it stood up, it started it

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was it sounds crazy. It started going through the dumpster.

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It started picking up different items, It was throwing it out,

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It was making a mess. And I was just thinking, like,

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how are other people not seeing this, Like because it

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was a very busy apartment complex. People should be coming

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home for dinner time and all that, and it just

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it started walking around the other dumpster. And it was

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way taller too, Like it had no problem looking in

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the dumpster to get whatever it was, whatever it was doing,

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it had no problem like just standing there looking at

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stuff and picking it up. It was making a big mess,

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and it started eating different things. It had a tail,

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but it wasn't a super long tail. And this one

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I didn't the eyeshine. I didn't see it really till

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the end because it was so focused looking around. We

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could hear some snarling. And this one was like a

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real It was like almost like I would say, it

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was like a It was definitely a brown one, but

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it had other brown It had other colors of brown

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in its hair as well. But this one looked really

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really really sick. Didn't look right at all, but there

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was no red eyes or anything like that. We watched

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this thing at least for fifteen minutes. It was just

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going through the dumpster. It was opening the bags. It

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was taking out whatever it liked and whatever it didn't like.

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It seemed like it would get really agitated. It was

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just throwing stuff, munching on stuff. It was very focused

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on both of the dumpsters. But at the very end,

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I want to make sure I'm not leaving any details out,

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Like I saw, we saw everything. Front arms were definitely

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a lot longer than the back you could see, and

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it walked. It was it had dog legs. It didn't

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have like human feet it had like it was the

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haunches and it it almost looked like it's how was

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the back, the back, legs, the paws, the feet holding

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up something like that. It was just really it was

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just really really mind blowing. It wasn't, like I said,

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it wasn't a super huge one or anything like that.

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It really looked like something was wrong with it. It

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looked like it actually wasn't really going to make it

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without food. Now, from that area about I would say

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fifteen minutes from that area where it was at, there

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are mountain ranges out that way, so it could have

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possibly come down from there. I'm not really sure because

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the area where it was at eating and stuff that

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that was just like a normal neighborhood. There was really

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not any woods out that way or anything, so I

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don't I don't really know where it came from. So

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we watched it for a while and then at one

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point it had circled back around closer to us, to

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the front of the dumpster once again, and then it

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just stopped everything it was doing. And the way he

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was standing, because it was you could tell it was

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a male. You could tell the way he was standing. Uh,

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when he looked at us. He stopped everything and he

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looked to his right and we were over to his right.

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He made eye contact like it knew we were there.

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And that's that. That was one of the parts that

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really really scared me. And once it stopped doing everything,

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and actually it didn't really turn its head because the

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way it was standing, but you could see that it

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was definitely looking at us. We had the eye contact,

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and its eyes were the yellow amber color. They weren't

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They weren't like or anything like that. You could see it.

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I wouldn't say like it was just a light from

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within the eyes, if that makes sense, Like you could

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see under the light and stuff. They were definitely amber.

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It smiled at us, and that's when my cousin really

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she just lost it. It stopped everything, like I said,

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and it just smiled right at us, and we were

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just kind of stuck there for a minute. It felt

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like a long time, but it couldn't have been more

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than a minute. We were just looking at it. It

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was just looking at us, had that smile, and that's

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when we decided we're going back inside. And that's when

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we just went into her mom's walking closet, and that's

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where we stayed for the entire night. After that, I

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didn't go over there anymore, and she came back over

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to actually live with us for a while. And then

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I would say the third Okay, so the third encounter,

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this goes on for a span of ten years, so

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I would say it would be in twenty twelve, I

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moved into a house that was five minutes driving the

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opposite way of my first encounter where I grew up

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in my childhood house five minutes. I ended up moving

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after my accident to that house, and it was six

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hundred acres of literally nothing but fields, woods, creeks. It

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had everything, which was really awesome, and your neighbor like

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we had one neighbor that was kind of close, but

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all the other neighbors they were like two more football

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fields away from Like, there was nobody out there except

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for those neighbors, which were super far away anyway, and

477
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,759
pretty much everybody out there they were a little bit older.

478
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:01,839
They were older. It was normal to see people walking

479
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,960
around with shotguns or guns, but we usually saw them

480
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,079
with shotguns. There was a farmer that had he was

481
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:13,799
in the back of our house. He had a huge

482
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:19,599
form of a angus beef cows. So me and my

483
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,440
kids move in. Now my kids are they're they're way

484
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,160
younger at this time. They're they're not grown. We move

485
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,240
into that house and in our backyard we would have

486
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:35,960
deer all the time. Occasionally a bear would pass through.

487
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,400
We had owls. We had so many coyotes, coyotes that

488
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:45,720
were so bad and so used to people that they

489
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,160
would come right in my driveway. They didn't care who

490
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,400
was out there. It got to the point we we

491
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,559
almost got attacked by them a couple of times. They

492
00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:54,920
were there was just a lot of them out there,

493
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,920
and they were really bad, very aggressive. That's why most

494
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,839
of the neighbors always had guns. I never had a gun.

495
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:05,359
I still don't. I just it was just me and

496
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,960
the kids. So let's see, so we're there was like

497
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,640
I said, owls, turkey, turkey, we're in our backyard. We

498
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,880
had everything. Everything was right there in the backyard. It

499
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:23,559
was awesome. So once we moved out there, we all

500
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:28,200
started noticing little by little that we would see eyes

501
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,359
shine and that's the thing we knew. We loved taking

502
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,880
our spotlights and we'd walk around these fields and it

503
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,119
would take us a long time. Six hundred acres is

504
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,759
pretty big. We would pick our favorite areas. We had

505
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:41,880
names for the areas. We would take our spotlights. We

506
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,519
would all go walking, and we like to go spot

507
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:46,839
the deer. When the farmer would cut his hay, he'd

508
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,240
make the hay bales. We would actually, I know you're

509
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,039
not supposed to, but we go climb them and we

510
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:54,799
would get to the top and we like to sit

511
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,960
up there and wait for it to get dark and

512
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,279
we would try to check out the coyotes and the

513
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:01,279
deer and see all this stuff. Like it was just

514
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:03,599
a great place to live. That's what we all thought.

515
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,119
It was awesome there. So as time started going on,

516
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:14,200
we started hearing. The coyotes would go super super crazy.

517
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,000
We used to go outside, right we'd only open my

518
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:19,480
door and just step out and record the coyotes because

519
00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:22,279
they were so close. It was so terrifying hearing that

520
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:27,759
we would record them. But you could hear. We started noticing.

521
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:31,000
We started hearing. It would be at nighttime, like kind

522
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,519
of it just depended like it would be late because

523
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:35,880
sometimes I had I have insomnia, so I would go

524
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,319
outside and sit out there. The stars were beautiful. It

525
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,920
was just really nice to be there. We would hear

526
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:49,319
cows just being you It just sounded to us it

527
00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:51,799
sounded like they were just being slaughtered, like you would

528
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:55,759
hear sometimes a calf screaming, or sometimes you would actually

529
00:31:55,759 --> 00:32:00,200
hear like a cow screaming, and we would think you

530
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,240
wouldn't hear now at that time, you would hear the

531
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:05,200
coyotes sometimes, but when that screaming with the cows was

532
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,400
going on, you wouldn't hear really anything but the cows.

533
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:14,000
So we started all talking to each other like what

534
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:16,319
the heck, you know, what what could that be? You know,

535
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:21,079
could coyotes really take down like huge the beef angus?

536
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:25,000
Like they are big cows? I get a calf. Yeah.

537
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:29,359
But so we would have our big bonfires pretty much

538
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,279
every night. It was just the best place to live.

539
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:38,440
And that's when we really started noticing. We would have

540
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,640
packs of coyotes. Uh, they would start really acting up

541
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,880
and then you could hear something else in with them,

542
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:48,559
and we just really weren't sure because at that time,

543
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,640
like I said, I still did not know dog Man

544
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:55,880
none of that. We like we knew about aliens and

545
00:32:56,359 --> 00:33:00,400
crawlers and stuff like that. My kids they were all

546
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,559
end it. They'd say the rake is out here and

547
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:05,880
stuff like there. There wasn't, but we ended up having

548
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,960
a lot of encounters with some other things living out

549
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,440
in that area. So the one night we were out

550
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:20,000
there and we had noticed, uh, we had noticed some

551
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:22,759
eye shine. We were looking for it, and but this

552
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,880
these were different. These were bigger eyes. Uh. The way

553
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,160
that the eyes were set looked just a lot different

554
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,160
because of deer deer to the side, predators are like forward.

555
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,440
They It still had the eye shine that we would see.

556
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,680
It was like the amber. It was an amber color

557
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,480
that we would see and you would hear sometimes roaring

558
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:51,279
like a roar. It was really terrifying. So one night,

559
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,640
I'm already in bed, but I was still I was

560
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,359
still kind of awake. I was waiting for my daughter

561
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,799
at the time, she was a teenager. She was coming in.

562
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,119
It was the weekend, coming in after hanging out with friends.

563
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,760
And when I finally heard her. Because I had dogs,

564
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,719
I had really big dogs. I had them for my protection.

565
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,000
I had a pit bull, I had her son. He

566
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:20,599
was a pit bull and German Shepherd and a Rottmeiler mix.

567
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:25,199
So I had big dogs. They My daughter came in

568
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,559
and the way she came in. She My bedroom faced

569
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:32,719
the kitchen, which also faced French doors. In the actual

570
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,960
door that was the only way out of the house.

571
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:38,960
She had come in. I heard her just literally slam

572
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,199
the front door, lock it, and she left the light

573
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,199
on in the kitchen everything. She came straight to my

574
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,320
room and she just reached out and touched me. We

575
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,199
didn't talk. She reached out and touched me, and I

576
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,960
could literally feel her fear. I could feel it. It

577
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:57,800
was something not right. When she touched me. Her eyes

578
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,960
were huge, and I sat up really close to her

579
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,639
and I put my finger over my lips, and she knew,

580
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,760
not we're not making a sound, We're not doing anything.

581
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,719
I padded the bed and I told her, you know,

582
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,360
she knew to get in the bed. And we just

583
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,719
waited for a minute and our hearts were pounding. That's

584
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,280
the crazy thing. My dogs would bark if they ever

585
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,679
heard anything they did not like the coyotes. Like our

586
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,719
dogs were really trained, they were they would alert us.

587
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:29,800
These dogs didn't make a sound that night. They seemed

588
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,000
absolutely terrified. Their heads were turning. Now in my bedroom

589
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:38,039
at that time, it was a huge, huge window. It

590
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,119
went from the ceiling to the floor. It was a

591
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:44,599
big window, and that's when you could just my hair

592
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:47,000
is standing right now up on my arms, just talking

593
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,199
about this. But once she got in bed with me,

594
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,079
we weren't talking. We were just waiting. You could just

595
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,039
literally literally I could feel my heart pounding. I could

596
00:35:57,039 --> 00:35:59,800
hear my heart pounding, and I just knew that something

597
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,480
was not right. I knew that she was terrified. I

598
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:04,719
could feel her fear. And it's like I felt another

599
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,400
fear that I never felt before, and it was from

600
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,079
it was coming definitely from outside, like it was something

601
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:15,360
that my instinct knew. You're not going to say anything,

602
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,920
like you're barely even going to breathe. You need to

603
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,280
just quiet your heart and you need to just stay quiet.

604
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:23,920
And that's what we did for a long time. But

605
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,400
now my neighbors they lived above me in this house,

606
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,519
because I was in the bottom part of the house.

607
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:34,800
My neighbors lived above me. And as we're laying there

608
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,079
just terrified, she was shaking. I was I couldn't even move.

609
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,760
You could hear this loud. It was the loudest roar

610
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:50,239
ever like it was. It was so terrifying. And then

611
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,920
after that roar, it got quiet for a second and

612
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,519
you could hear it was actually over by that big window.

613
00:36:56,039 --> 00:37:00,480
Thank God, thank god that I had my long thick drapes.

614
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:04,000
I had the window covered. You could literally feel that

615
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,840
whatever was there was right behind those curtains. And I

616
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,400
was so close to that window, being in that bed.

617
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,039
She was on the other side of me. It was.

618
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,280
It was the craziest fear and feeling ever, Like I was.

619
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,440
We were both hooked on just looking at that window,

620
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,840
and I'm thinking, what if, what if whatever's out there

621
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,280
comes through that window? Like nothing stopping any of this.

622
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,039
So we were just still quiet, and then it started

623
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:40,639
doing this really weird. It started growling. It did this

624
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,360
other weird like this. This it was like a It

625
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,639
was a different kind of roar, but not a super

626
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,679
super loud one, but loud enough. But it was doing

627
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,360
a lot of breathing like when a horse. It reminded

628
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,239
me of like a horse when a horse like does that.

629
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,519
It did that, and you could just hear a lot

630
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:05,159
of growling. And I couldn't tell you how long we

631
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,920
laid there for. I don't know, I honestly, I just

632
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,360
couldn't tell you. Finally, we didn't hear anything anymore, and

633
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:16,599
she came a lot closer. My daughter moved a lot

634
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:19,559
closer to me, and she whispered to me. She said,

635
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,400
when I got dropped off at the top of the hill,

636
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,719
because our driveway it was pretty much a hill, Like

637
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,880
I said, out there, people would just there's nowhere anybody

638
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,760
could park to like sneak up on you. It's just

639
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,519
open like it's fields, there's woods like you can see everywhere.

640
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,280
So most of the time, like our friends, when the

641
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,920
kids would get dropped off, they would just quick turn

642
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,320
around at my neighbor's house because he had like a

643
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,400
big barn over there. They quick turn around, drive back up,

644
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,880
and drop all the teenagers off at the top of

645
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,800
my driveway just to walk down. So that's what she did.

646
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,639
And she said once the car had pulled off, she

647
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,719
heard the roaring like that, and she said, sound it

648
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,840
was a scream though. She said there was a scream,

649
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,800
And I said, well, what did the scream sound like?

650
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,639
And was it high pitch? She's like, Mom, it sounded

651
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,000
it was like a guy trying to do a scream,

652
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:11,960
if that makes sense, like a high pitch scream. But

653
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,400
it was a weird scream. And she said that she

654
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,199
could hear the footsteps because we had rocks all over

655
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,480
that was our driveway. There was a lot of gravel

656
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:22,920
out there too. The fields there was a lot of

657
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:27,599
dirt and stones, but our driveway was all stones. And

658
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:33,360
she said she heard she heard like footsteps following her

659
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,920
on the stones, and that's why she just flew in

660
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,360
the house. She said that she could feel the fear.

661
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,719
She doesn't know what it was, and that's why she

662
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,280
just said, I felt like I couldn't even lock the

663
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:47,880
door fast enough. She's like, I really thought whatever it

664
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,960
was was already going to have me, And so I

665
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:53,960
just told her to be quiet again, and I told

666
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,920
her maybe, you know, let's just say some prayers and stuff.

667
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,159
And eventually we did fall as and the next day

668
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:05,000
we woke up there was actually we went outside because

669
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:08,039
I wanted to see there was scratch marks on the

670
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:11,960
one side of our door, a bunch of scratch marks.

671
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,679
Now we didn't hear anything scratching on the door, so

672
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,360
I don't really know, but it was definitely scratch marks,

673
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:21,599
bigger scratch marks. They were on the door and the

674
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:23,760
one part of like the side of the door, but

675
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,880
it was it was wood there, so it was like

676
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:30,239
the wood scratched out. So, now, like I said, we

677
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,599
lived on this property for ten years. There was a

678
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:39,639
bunch of encounters. There was a UFO sighting. Uh, because

679
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:46,599
we lived actually really close to oh there's a military

680
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,239
base out there for Indian Town Gap, so we lived

681
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:55,360
right near there, and you would see like their helicopters

682
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,679
sometimes come in and fly above our fields and do

683
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:02,000
like work on the lines out there and stuff. But

684
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,360
out that out that way in our fields where we lived,

685
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,000
people have been calling into the news that evening. It

686
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:12,159
wasn't dark yet at that time it was. It was

687
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:17,679
going towards sunset. People were calling in. People were calling

688
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,920
nine one one in the news for a sighting of

689
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,599
a UFO and that was actually seen right above the

690
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:28,119
area where where where we lived. We had also seen

691
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,719
a crawler one time as well up on this property.

692
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,639
So and with a bunch of dog man the reason

693
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:43,159
I left. So all right, we get to the next encounter.

694
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,039
So we decide that we're going to go over. Now,

695
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:51,599
once you went to the top of our driveway, across

696
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:55,320
the street would be a whole another It was acres

697
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,000
of fields and forest we could go to. Now we

698
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,719
would cross it in there was a path. It was

699
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,119
always cut. We always kept the grass cut and you

700
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:06,840
would walk past the soy fields and once you cut

701
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,800
up to the top toier right, there would always be

702
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,880
bushes of mulberries and raspberries which we would always pick.

703
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:14,760
But once you're walking up, to the right is the

704
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,119
raspberries and foreign bushes of the mulberry blackberries, and to

705
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,239
the left would be the soy field. Sometimes it depends

706
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,360
on what season it is for how tall it would be.

707
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,639
But we would walk up to the top of that,

708
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:30,840
and once you got to the top of that, you

709
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,880
were looking at a very old horse track. It used

710
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,440
to be a racetrack. You could see it still had

711
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,119
all the dirt, but there was no stables. There was

712
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:42,360
no barn or anything like that. Right there, it was

713
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,719
just a track. And around in the in the middle

714
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,480
of the track it was a huge just a field.

715
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:50,360
That's where we would go catch monarchs and the monarch

716
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,960
caterpillars and stuff like that. Now, when you followed the

717
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:55,679
track and you went to the left, which we always

718
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,400
went to because it took you into a part of

719
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:01,079
the woods, it was covered half the track was woods.

720
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,000
So when you're walking through that track, you enter, the

721
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:08,159
trees are all around you. We made a fort back there.

722
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:11,119
It was one of our camps that we made. We

723
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:13,880
called it Camp Serenity. It was just really awesome over there.

724
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,920
You could see baby fawns. Every time we went over there.

725
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:19,800
You would see baby owls and just owls in general

726
00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:24,000
right at that fore area. So one day we were

727
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:27,559
back there at Camp Serenity and we were finishing up

728
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:31,079
to head back, So we're pretty far from the house.

729
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:33,800
Like I said, it was all different areas of the

730
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,199
six hundred acres that we had access to, and we

731
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,360
all had different areas named for each place that we

732
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,039
would go. So we were walking back from the track

733
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:48,280
and we were just about at the top of where

734
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,840
you enter the fields, the soy fields and then the

735
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:58,760
raspberries and blackberries. But that evening we could hear the coyotes.

736
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:03,159
They were off in the soy fields and they were

737
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:05,880
actually they were getting pretty close and they were trying

738
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,880
to sneak up on us. So we kept moving and

739
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:13,559
as we entered where we had to pass the bushes,

740
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:17,400
the thorn bushes, the raspberries and blackberries, and there was

741
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,760
trees too, so like you couldn't really see and couldn't

742
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,480
go through there because it was thorns. You're gonna get

743
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:27,480
really hurt. As soon as we entered right there, it

744
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:29,400
was dark, I'd say maybe it was about ten o'clock

745
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:36,199
at night. It was. It was me and my two kids.

746
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,079
We had our spotlight and I think we had a

747
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:40,559
machete with us at the time. But as soon as

748
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:42,119
we hit the top of that track and we had

749
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,719
entered into the path where the thorns and the soyfield were,

750
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,280
this whole entire when I say a bush like it

751
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,760
was taller than us, like way taller than us, the

752
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:01,079
whole bush started shaking violently, and we knew because deer

753
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:04,360
used to jump out. Deer have accidentally jumped out while

754
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,679
we've been, you know, over in that area and ran

755
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,920
right into us. Before There's just so many deer, so

756
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,599
we thought a deer at first, and we're like, wait,

757
00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:16,199
a deer's not going to shake anything. So my kid

758
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,880
looked at me and I could tell he was already scared.

759
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:23,599
He took he took the spotlight and he was gone.

760
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,159
I mean he left. He was so fast we could

761
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:28,960
see the light way over across. Once you crossed through

762
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,599
that field, we know Our house was right under that

763
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:34,920
one street light, so he already he was gone, so

764
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,920
as me and my daughter. And as soon as I

765
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,920
started going past the bush, there was no other really

766
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,599
way to go. We couldn't cut through the soy fields

767
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,480
because the coyotes were in there, so we just kept

768
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:49,119
on the path and that's when the bushes started shaking again,

769
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:52,960
and that's when it did this. Whatever was in there

770
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:56,639
did this. Now, I've been around deer. I've heard them,

771
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:59,079
you know, I've seen the book. I saw how how

772
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:02,760
they can act. I heard them, like, do that this.

773
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,440
It did that sound. It did it like the horse,

774
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,960
but this was way louder than a deer could make

775
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:12,159
or a horse. A horse wasn't in the bush. It

776
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,880
did that sound. And from that accident that I had,

777
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:19,440
I cannot run. I cannot run at all. I can

778
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,320
only walk, and I use canes for that anyway, So

779
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,159
there's no I can't run, so I just keep walking

780
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:31,360
with my daughter. We did make it home in time,

781
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:35,199
and my son was already there waiting, and he was

782
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,719
like panicking. He's like, I'm never going out after that again.

783
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,039
I'm never doing that. And every day after that he

784
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:44,280
would set he was dead set. He would set his

785
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,440
alarm it would be at least ten to fifteen minutes

786
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,280
before sunset, and he would make sure we would all

787
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,280
be in, all of us. He didn't want any of

788
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,079
us out. So now we got a little bit older,

789
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:57,840
and that's when he started getting into YouTube. And he

790
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,719
was the one who said, you know, you really need

791
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,360
to listen to YouTube, mom, because out here where we live,

792
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,679
he's like that stuff. And man, it's on YouTube, mom,

793
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,679
this is the stuff that's going on. This is the

794
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:12,000
stuff right here. And so that's when I actually was

795
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:16,159
sitting out in the yard at a bonfire, the woods

796
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:19,360
all around me listening. That's when I started listening to

797
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:26,679
your show. And that's when my panics set in. My everything,

798
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,880
the fear set in. I couldn't. I couldn't even That's

799
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,840
how I felt trapped in that house. I had to

800
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,079
go inside because everything was hitting me that Oh my goodness,

801
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,280
it's a dog man. This is what it's called like this,

802
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:42,440
like is this really real? So many other people have

803
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:47,119
seen him, there's way more. So I go inside and

804
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:49,679
then I'm making sure I'm listening to things. I always

805
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,599
made sure no matter what, anyway, I kept all the

806
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:56,039
curtains drawn. I did not answer, like if there was

807
00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:58,320
any kind of tapping, which we would hear that now

808
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,719
and then we would hear it. I never looked out

809
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,880
my windows I lived in such it felt like I

810
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,000
was trapped in that house, and I was like paralyzed.

811
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:11,039
So were my kids. Even friends that came over they

812
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:14,000
saw things too as well. They felt the same way

813
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:18,519
my dogs. They would alert whenever my dogs would act weird,

814
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,760
like I didn't care. I wouldn't take them out once

815
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,960
it got dark. I would not. I didn't care if

816
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,760
they went to the bathroom in the house. I was

817
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:31,039
not going out there. So we'll say it's twenty seventeen eighteen.

818
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:33,480
Now I have the name for it. I still live,

819
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,440
I still live in that same area. So I'm thinking like,

820
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:42,039
oh my goodness. You know, I was telling my kids,

821
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:46,039
because my kids, because now they're like sixteen, seventeen eighteen,

822
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,880
they're getting older, We're like, oh my gosh, all that

823
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,079
stuff that's been going on all these years, like it

824
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:54,079
has to be this because we would hear the cows.

825
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: This was.

826
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: It went on quite frequently, and I always wanted to

827
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:02,800
go ask the farmer, but he was We had caught

828
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,440
him multiple times. Like now that I think back on it,

829
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,239
it's like, now it does make sense. We would see

830
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,440
him out in broad daylight. He would be laying down

831
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,599
in this one area of the field and he would

832
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:18,639
it almost looked like to me because I don't I mean,

833
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:20,760
I know some guns, I'm not a gun expert or

834
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,679
anything like that, but he would have it on this

835
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:28,440
It looked like a like like an esh like I

836
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,039
don't want to say AK forty seven, but the long

837
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:34,039
black guns and he had it on a tripod. It

838
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:36,400
was like he was looking for something or waiting for

839
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,679
something and he had this whole setup. It wasn't deer season,

840
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,559
like it wasn't time to hunt, so I know he

841
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:48,119
wasn't hunting. I always wanted to ask him about, like, hey,

842
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:52,000
have you lost any cattle? Like, but I never could.

843
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,920
He was just very standoff as she was not very nice.

844
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,599
He was just he was a weird character. So we

845
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:00,880
kind of just left him alone. But we would go

846
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,960
down to the creek a lot and his cows would

847
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:08,920
get out. You would find cow parts at times, like

848
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:13,199
where they were shredded or ripped apart by whatever. You

849
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:20,599
could smell it. We had multiple multiple times where things were, uh,

850
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:25,440
tapping on the windows, tapping on the windows. Uh. We

851
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:30,239
had multiple times where there was a one time I

852
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,079
had walked across from my neighbors I was coming back home.

853
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,760
I went to help him. He was a little bit older,

854
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,320
and my kids were already out. Their friends were over

855
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,360
all the kids came to my house because they loved

856
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,400
the land and everything. But my kids started yelling because

857
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,199
I was walking and there's the field right there to

858
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:54,960
my one side, excuse me, and they started yelling that

859
00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:57,000
there was something behind me. But it was crawling on

860
00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:01,320
the ground and it looked like a really huge coyote.

861
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:05,360
And I remember turning around and I remember just seeing

862
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,400
the eye shine because it was kind of I couldn't

863
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,480
really see it from where I was walking from, but

864
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,960
you could definitely see the eye shine. My heart started pounding,

865
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,159
and I got back to my house with no incident,

866
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,480
but they were screaming like they were like they were

867
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,599
telling me to run, knowing I can't, though. They were

868
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:25,400
just very excited over what they were seeing. They said

869
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:30,000
it was crawling like on its belly. I'm really sorry

870
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:34,400
about coffee, I said my throat. But there was other

871
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:40,559
times where you would see multiple, multiple eyes. Over in

872
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,199
the tree lines, you would find lots, oh, we would

873
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,559
find deer and my son, I don't know, my son

874
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:52,639
loved it, but we would find deer right in the

875
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:56,400
backyard that were dead, but their necks had been snapped,

876
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,719
like their legs weren't broken, they weren't hit by cars.

877
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,400
There was no bleeding or injuries. You could see. You

878
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,599
could literally see the necks were like twisted and it

879
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:09,199
was and we found them. We found them sometimes. But

880
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:11,960
the one that really messed us up was like the

881
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,519
one in it. I would say it was winter, but

882
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:18,679
we just couldn't understand how the deer died like its

883
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,920
neck was just twisted around. It was just literally twisted.

884
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,440
And my son actually kept that deer head. But that's

885
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,639
a whole different story. But we would find lots of

886
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:36,159
things torn apart. We would find uh, raccoons torn apart.

887
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,000
We would find rabbits torn apart. You would see the

888
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:48,039
bushes shaking sometimes and movement growling. So let's see, by

889
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:50,960
this time, we've had so many different things going on,

890
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:53,559
not just with dog Man, because we did end up

891
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:57,639
seeing the shadow figures of them, and it was more

892
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:00,119
than one and that's when I just was like, I

893
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:03,280
can't deal with this. I had asked my neighbors too, like, hey,

894
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,199
do you guys, have you ever heard that screaming or yelling?

895
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,920
Have you ever heard of that howling the growling? And

896
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:13,360
my neighbors always said no, And it made no sense

897
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,119
to me at times, you know, when people are sleeping,

898
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,880
how do they not here hear this stuff? But it

899
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:26,480
was really happening, So I would say we decided it

900
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:29,880
was literally as COVID was hitting. Now by this time,

901
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,119
I already knew what dog Man was. Mind blown, Like

902
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:36,920
I said that there was packed to them now that

903
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,639
there was, that they were in every state, like it

904
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:42,920
was just more than one, like it just it was.

905
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:47,320
My mind was really blown. So right as covids hitting,

906
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:53,480
we move from Dauphin County to Cumberland County and we

907
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:59,679
ended up moving out towards like Shippensburg. But we were

908
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,840
where we moved, we were so close. We were like

909
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,639
the back end butted up to It's called Moschaux State Forest.

910
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:14,159
It is eighty five thousand acres of just gorgeous, gorgeous,

911
00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:19,079
gorgeous forest, creeks, there's lakes out there. This is my

912
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,519
most favorite place to go. It has so many trails,

913
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:26,599
It has the awesome fishing. You can take your boats

914
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:31,280
out there, kayaks, whatever. You can even swim at some

915
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,400
of them. But like I said, it's eighty five thousand

916
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,199
acres and I know that was one hundred and twenty

917
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:39,440
three miles. There's still trails that we haven't even gone

918
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,480
on yet. Now, this place, michow State Forest, is known

919
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,840
very well. When you it depends which trail or what

920
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:50,519
part that you pull into, you will see signs posted

921
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:53,039
up for Bigfoot. And I used to laugh. I used

922
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:58,199
to be like Bigfoot, like wow, like really, But researchers

923
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,000
do go out in these woods, and when you listen

924
00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:05,000
to YouTube, you will actually hear a lot of different

925
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:08,360
stories coming out of Micheau State Forest for dog Man.

926
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,920
So we started. I had no clue too, I had

927
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,840
no idea. And on the other side of us is

928
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,880
the Tuscarora Mountains, and I want to say, I think

929
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,079
they're I think they're ninety or ninety five thousand acres.

930
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:26,519
So we kind of set between two mountain ranges as

931
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:31,480
well as the Appalachian Trail is on there. I didn't

932
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:34,760
know until I researched it and started listening to stories,

933
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,159
and we would talk to hunters because we go when

934
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,079
we go hiking all the time, like when I'm talking,

935
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:44,239
we hike. We go out hiking where you lose your

936
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,519
phone reception where you should probably have like a satellite

937
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:51,320
phone or anything like we don't, but I mean we should.

938
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,119
But we go far far out where sometimes you don't

939
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:57,719
see anybody. There's horse trails out there, so some people

940
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,760
do ride their horses. There's hunting, you can ride certain

941
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,880
areas of your four wheelers and stuff like that. But

942
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:09,559
we ended up moving into we left a hot spot

943
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,039
from the old house and actually moved into a bigger

944
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:16,760
hot spot, which I had no idea, And so we

945
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,519
started going out into the woods and doing our hikes

946
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:27,559
and our fishing. And that's when things really got a

947
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,440
lot more weird for me. So where we had lived

948
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,119
then you would you would get a really weird vibe

949
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:38,800
at night. And at this place where we lived when

950
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,239
we had moved in, I kept seeing it. There was

951
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,039
a trailer park behind us. We didn't live in the

952
00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:46,360
trailer park, but there was a trailer park behind us.

953
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:49,480
There would be all these cats that would just come

954
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:52,920
over to hang out in my backyard, which I love animals.

955
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,519
So I was like, all right, Well, I ended up

956
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,639
with thirty cats that I had a cat colony. I

957
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:04,599
got them all fixed, chipped, neutrt and actually I got

958
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,559
all of them homes. But anyway, so I started like

959
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:10,119
watching those cats like I would count. I'd be like,

960
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:12,639
all right, because we would hear this weird howling. We

961
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:15,119
would hear weird howling. It didn't sound like a dog.

962
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,000
It was just this really weird howling. And I think

963
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:20,599
I was on just super high alert, knowing like oh

964
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:25,480
my goodness, like there's dog men. And so some of

965
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:32,000
the cats started disappearing, and that had me on edge.

966
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:35,360
And there was there's a creek that ran through there too,

967
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,239
and I had like some of the best fishing. A

968
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:39,519
lot of people try to go to that creek to fish.

969
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:44,400
There lots of trout and stuff like that. But I

970
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:46,639
was outside because I did smoke at that time. I

971
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:49,400
would go outside and sit on my back porch and

972
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:51,480
the cats would come up to me, you know. I'd

973
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,360
hang out with the cats, and the woods were right there, literally,

974
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,280
the tree line was right there. I heard the loudest

975
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:04,840
howl like it it vibrated. It vibrated like my body

976
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,159
and my chest, and I knew, I knew. I was like,

977
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:10,199
no way. I ran in the house, locked the door.

978
00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:13,519
My kids at that time, they kept saying like they'd

979
00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:17,440
be like, calm down, You're you're always you're always freaking

980
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,159
out because now you know you're stuck on YouTube and

981
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,480
you know about dog Man. And we had our encounters

982
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:25,800
like you're just always scared about it and just calm

983
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,360
because I would. I would seal the windows, like I

984
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,880
would make sure that the curtains were if I had

985
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,039
to pin them with like tax I would. I would

986
00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:38,159
not ever the the curtains had to be a certain

987
00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:41,639
way for me to sleep at night. I couldn't deal with.

988
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,480
I wouldn't take the dogs out. I was like it

989
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:51,440
was getting really bad. But that's when we started noticing

990
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:56,320
like some of the cats were not there anymore, which okay, yeah,

991
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,039
one or two here it happened like I mean that

992
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:01,440
they live outside, but it was we were going through

993
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:06,000
some cats there. I just ended up having to save

994
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:08,800
thirty of them. There was a a whole bunch more.

995
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:13,159
But so we started going. We would pick spots in

996
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:18,159
Maschau State Forest and we like to always we like

997
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:20,199
to pick like the trails where no one's going to

998
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:22,440
be at Like we like to go out there and

999
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,960
like I said, no guns or anything. And we were

1000
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:33,000
walking around this one reservoir and we started noticing these

1001
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:36,079
really weird footprints. I actually, I think I do have

1002
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:40,440
the pictures. They're just in my other phone. Some really

1003
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,559
weird footprints. The tracks. They didn't look right. They were big.

1004
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,320
You could see the claw marks in them actually, and

1005
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,519
that that's what stuck out to me. And there was two,

1006
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:54,239
there wasn't four. So we started hiking these trails and

1007
00:59:54,719 --> 01:00:00,320
that's when we would well, I would notice the would

1008
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,960
be we would see shadows. This was always during daytime.

1009
01:00:04,199 --> 01:00:06,880
This is that's what really messed me up to because

1010
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,480
most of the encounters happened to me after the after

1011
01:00:11,559 --> 01:00:14,880
twenty twenty, all through the daylight hours. Like they were

1012
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,360
not at night, they were daytime. So we started noticing

1013
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:21,079
shadows and stuff. And it would just certain areas you

1014
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:24,079
would get weird vibes and it was cool. We would

1015
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:28,400
we would you know, you'd find actually some bigfoot structures

1016
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,679
out there, like people would take pictures. You might run

1017
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:33,480
into another family with kids. On the trail they're going

1018
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:35,159
in some of the structure. So it was a really

1019
01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:40,639
cool place. But things started changing, and when we were

1020
01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:44,639
coming back from certain parts of my show, it was weird.

1021
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:48,639
It would be towards evening. Now out in that area,

1022
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,760
there was a lot of farmland besides those woods. Besides

1023
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,559
a lot of woods and mountains there, there was a

1024
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:57,880
lot of farmland. There was a lot of cows, there

1025
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:03,480
was a lot of horses, cornfields. So we would always

1026
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,320
pass the same area, and you it was always right

1027
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,719
when sunset. It was just when it's getting dark. You

1028
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:16,039
would see groups of in this area that they didn't

1029
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:19,079
have cows there, it was just a cornfield. And then

1030
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:21,239
back there they had their house. And then there was

1031
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,840
a couple of trees that and then the trees got

1032
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,639
thicker and it went into part of the tusc Aurora

1033
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:30,679
State Park. So these things were coming down from that mountain,

1034
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:35,840
and I'm telling you, they moved so fast it was

1035
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,480
almost like a blur. We would see five to six,

1036
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:42,920
sometimes eight, and there was always a bigger one and

1037
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,639
it kind of looked at that time of day because

1038
01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:49,599
they were all dark, it looked almost like like buffaloes,

1039
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:52,280
like it was crazy, but we don't have buffaloes out here,

1040
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,719
like not in that area. And you would see them

1041
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,400
come out of the tree line and then they would

1042
01:01:57,639 --> 01:01:59,880
dark as it was the blur. You could see them

1043
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,960
from a couple seconds I'd say maybe five maybe up

1044
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,360
to five six seconds the way that they came out,

1045
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,840
and then they would hit and go directly into the

1046
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,280
cornfields and you would see the stalks moving, but that's

1047
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,559
all and you could see like because we would be driving,

1048
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,599
we would watch it and it's almost like they were

1049
01:02:18,639 --> 01:02:21,960
following us, depending like which way, but you could see

1050
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,079
the stalks in the top of the corn moving, and

1051
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:27,199
then you know, we would just make it home and

1052
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:28,360
we would talk about it.

1053
01:02:28,519 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: And so.

1054
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,679
Speaker 1: We had a couple other things go on. We would

1055
01:02:34,679 --> 01:02:37,679
pick different trails, like I said at my show, because

1056
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:41,719
they're at Michau. The terrain changes. I mean, it's absolutely gorgeous.

1057
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,840
You can go from just the trees to like red

1058
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,880
settings with the leaves and all, and then instantly nothing

1059
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,159
but pine trees, like, oh my gosh, and the pine

1060
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:54,039
trees are like my favorite. But it was always changing,

1061
01:02:54,159 --> 01:02:57,719
just depending where you wanted to go. So the one

1062
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:03,480
day we decided to go out. It was me and

1063
01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:06,679
some family members. We decided to go out to this

1064
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,159
other reservoir and go fishing because it was like a

1065
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:14,159
super hot spot, kind of near another army depot, but

1066
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,440
it was in the woods. The cool thing too, you

1067
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,199
would always see body eagles at this place. So you

1068
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,239
had to the only way to get to this place.

1069
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,440
Once you got to the top in the wood, you're

1070
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,800
in the woods, you have to go down this steep.

1071
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:34,400
It's all rocks road. There's if you went over the

1072
01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:38,039
side too far, you're going off like basically the side

1073
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:39,760
of the mountain there, like you're just going to go

1074
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,039
straight down. So you have to go straight down on

1075
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,840
these rocks, follow a path all the way down and

1076
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,079
then it opens up to I wouldn't say a huge

1077
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:50,400
parking lot, but a parking lot. They have it for.

1078
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,199
You pull right down and it's a parking lot they

1079
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,679
have for handicap and then regular. But when you pull

1080
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,519
down to the right, when you look out, it is

1081
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:07,239
nothing but this huge, huge reservoir. Once you park, you're

1082
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,840
looking when you get out of your car, there's the

1083
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,639
reservoir in front of you. You can't really walk if

1084
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:15,159
you go across the parking lot because there's woods there,

1085
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,639
but it's that part of the area where it's steep,

1086
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:20,639
like if your car went over, so you really can't

1087
01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:22,960
walk on that side at all, like you have to

1088
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,800
get in your boat, which a lot of people do

1089
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:29,960
or whatever. We went to the left. Our family member

1090
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,599
actually brought his boat and we decided to get in

1091
01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:36,320
that and that's when we had started a chat and

1092
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,800
we were like, uh he was He was kind of

1093
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,000
teasing me. He was like, you know, you can't go

1094
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:43,559
that far over there, because if you do, you're going

1095
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:45,199
to go in the missing four one one. And I

1096
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:47,760
would laugh and he would laugh because they would always

1097
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,559
always tease me about dog Man. And he was like,

1098
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,519
what we should do right now if dog Man came

1099
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:54,559
down from the mountain and we're out here in the boat.

1100
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,079
I said, well, I laughed. I said, it doesn't really.

1101
01:04:57,239 --> 01:04:59,920
We can't really do too much because dog Man can

1102
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:02,440
swim and this isn't that deep. And we would just

1103
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:04,639
laugh about it. So we had a good day that day,

1104
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,760
got the boat out, went home. A couple of days later,

1105
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,400
we went back to the same spot, me and two

1106
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:17,360
Philly members, so we pooled down park in that parking

1107
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,880
lot now they decided right there is the boat launch too.

1108
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:24,199
It's like right in the front, so it's like you

1109
01:05:24,199 --> 01:05:26,559
can put your boat in there. You can walk over

1110
01:05:26,599 --> 01:05:28,239
to the right a little but like I said, you

1111
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:30,760
can't really go. You could step a little bit into

1112
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,000
the woods, but then you can't go any further because

1113
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:37,440
it's so steep or it's water. I decided to go

1114
01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:41,440
to the left. There is a trail there and when

1115
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,079
you enter to the right of me, literally right by

1116
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:47,760
my feet, it was just like maybe a two foot path.

1117
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:50,320
There's a little bit of grass right there. Literally to

1118
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,760
the right of me is nothing but water. Like it

1119
01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:55,880
was it was just open water. You could see like

1120
01:05:56,159 --> 01:05:58,599
you could catch frogs and turtles and stuff like that.

1121
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,760
Literally right there to feet now to the left of me.

1122
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,880
Once I entered a little bit to the left of me,

1123
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:09,159
it starts that steep, steep, steep I was people called

1124
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:13,199
a mountain, mountain hill whatever. It was directly behind me,

1125
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,840
directly behind me, and I used to I walked in

1126
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,239
just a little bit, and this was about two thirty

1127
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:23,159
in the afternoon, and I know it was October. For

1128
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:25,280
some reason, we just we wanted to go fishing. We

1129
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,079
didn't care if we were going to catch anything. It

1130
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:29,320
was just such a nice day like So, I had

1131
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,519
my fishing stuff with me, I had my fishing rod.

1132
01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:34,639
I could see my family members. I could see they

1133
01:06:34,639 --> 01:06:36,360
were carrying on laft and they were having a good time.

1134
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,440
They were not far from me. I could see the car.

1135
01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:42,000
I already had anxiety thinking about just dog man. I

1136
01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:44,639
always did when I was outside, especially when we would

1137
01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:47,079
be out as far as we were. So I was

1138
01:06:47,159 --> 01:06:50,159
already on my on my stuff. I was already, it

1139
01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:53,239
was already in my head. I was already ready. So

1140
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,880
I set up my stuff. I had my little chair

1141
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,320
that just folds right out. It clips onto your backpack

1142
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,159
or whatever. Had my backpack. Walked. I only walked i'd say,

1143
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:08,400
maybe ten feet into the woods on that trail, and

1144
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,599
then I set up because I was trying to do

1145
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,239
cat fishing and try and get some bass. I don't know,

1146
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,079
I was just fishing, and so I cast my line

1147
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,719
and I was fishing for a couple of minutes. I

1148
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:24,039
had I think I actually had my phone playing. I

1149
01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:26,440
think I was listening to music, but it wasn't real high.

1150
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:28,159
I didn't have it up high so I could hear

1151
01:07:28,679 --> 01:07:30,960
I always had to hear things behind me because I

1152
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,239
know if it goes silent, like, I know all that,

1153
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:36,679
so I would always be on alert for that. So

1154
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:39,719
I'm fishing, I hear my family members laughing, I see

1155
01:07:39,719 --> 01:07:46,480
them skipping rocks. I'm eating some snacks, and i'd say maybe,

1156
01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:50,239
I would say maybe within ten minutes after already setting

1157
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,480
up and stuff and just hanging out starting my fishing,

1158
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:58,320
that's when behind me I heard like leaves. It was

1159
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,079
behind me. It was far back, like up up the hill,

1160
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:04,119
and I thought, you know, it could be squirrels, you know,

1161
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:06,880
it was it was daytime, still squirrels. They liked to

1162
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,840
play around in the leaves. It was full, so I

1163
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,559
didn't think really anything of it. So I'm continuing fishing,

1164
01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:21,600
and that's when it was a big It was a

1165
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:26,279
big dead log that was I don't want to say thrown,

1166
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:31,800
maybe it was maybe rolled is the better word. It

1167
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,000
started it rolled down. It was a really big i'd

1168
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:41,760
say maybe seven eight foot long, but it wasn't like

1169
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,800
a super super huge huge log, but log. It was

1170
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,520
still a log. It came rolling down really fast down

1171
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,560
the hill right behind me, like just a few feet

1172
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,079
from me. So I was like, what the heck. I

1173
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:56,279
was like, there's no way that something just rolled down

1174
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:01,359
the hill when this is already dead. Like, so I

1175
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:07,119
stopped everything and I turned around and I'm looking. I'm scanning.

1176
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,920
I'm trying to see I know how to look for deer,

1177
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,359
I know how to look for that stuff. So I'm

1178
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:14,159
looking for movement or something that's sticking out that's not right.

1179
01:09:14,199 --> 01:09:17,520
And that's actually when I see something. And it was

1180
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:22,800
I would say, maybe I would say a little bit

1181
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,159
less than a football field away from me. It was

1182
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:29,800
up It was up the hill the mountain. But you

1183
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,319
could see because you could see it because there wasn't

1184
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:36,119
that many leaves really left on any of the trees

1185
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:39,159
like that. There wasn't that many. And this was black

1186
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,640
and it stuck out. That's what That's what caught my eye,

1187
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:47,439
the blackness of it. This one was actually standing on

1188
01:09:48,199 --> 01:09:53,199
two feet already. This one was standing partially well, it

1189
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:56,880
was trying to be. It was trying to uh be

1190
01:09:57,039 --> 01:09:58,800
behind a tree, but I mean it was a little

1191
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:00,560
too big for that. You I could see it, but

1192
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:04,399
it was kind of kind of standing with like half

1193
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,199
of itself behind the tree. It was holding onto the

1194
01:10:07,239 --> 01:10:10,960
tree with both hands already standing, like I said, But

1195
01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:15,600
this one, I was looking at it and everything in mey.

1196
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,520
I had clicked my phone to stop the music. I

1197
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:23,960
was not thinking about at all, taking a picture, trying

1198
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,880
to get a video. I wasn't thinking any of that.

1199
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,600
I wanted to hear, and I was just frozen. I

1200
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,560
was just looking and it was looking directly at me.

1201
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,439
This one, this one started, that's when it That's when

1202
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,000
it came out a little bit more from behind the tree,

1203
01:10:37,399 --> 01:10:40,399
and it put its one arm down and it had

1204
01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:44,760
the other arm around the tree. This one was it

1205
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,680
started coming down the hill, but it wasn't in an

1206
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:53,439
aggressive manner or anything. It did get somewhat closer where

1207
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,880
I could really see. I could see it a lot better.

1208
01:10:57,079 --> 01:10:58,720
So I was looking at it and it was looking

1209
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,880
at me. This one was actually really really pretty. It

1210
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,600
was it had very sleek. It wasn't it didn't have

1211
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,840
shaggy hair. It was black, I mean black black, black,

1212
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:13,840
like blacker than black. It's heur looked really maintained. It

1213
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:18,840
looked really shiny and beautiful. Very short. This one you

1214
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,800
could tell, you know how like when you look at

1215
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,439
a dog, you can tell, all right, that's a younger dog.

1216
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,239
That's that's like a puppy. You know, this is an

1217
01:11:25,279 --> 01:11:27,800
older dog. That's an old dog for sure. Now, that

1218
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,119
first one that I had seen, that one was definitely

1219
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:33,920
an older one. This one, this one had to be

1220
01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:37,319
to me, if I would have to guess, I would

1221
01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:41,199
say definitely like a teenager and early like a teenager.

1222
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,680
This one was young. You could tell in its face

1223
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,239
it was young. You could just I don't know, there's

1224
01:11:48,279 --> 01:11:50,520
just something about it that you could just see and

1225
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:55,319
tell it is definitely young. And it didn't. Its ears

1226
01:11:55,319 --> 01:11:59,359
were up, it had the sleek hair, like I said,

1227
01:11:59,359 --> 01:12:01,520
it was on two legs. It had hands, it had

1228
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:07,600
like the raccoon fingers, or sometimes I raccoon fingers squirrel fingers,

1229
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,520
because I've had squirrels. If you look at their their

1230
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:14,520
fingers fingers like that, you could see the claws. This

1231
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:20,479
one was definitely healthy. It just looked absolutely beautiful. I

1232
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:24,399
wasn't scared at this point, just I mean a little bit.

1233
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,359
I was, but I was more curious because it looked

1234
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:29,079
young to me. I wasn't really thinking, I guess clearly.

1235
01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:32,920
So I'm looking at it, and its eyes were this

1236
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,840
this yellow like this piercing yellow. It was so beautiful.

1237
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,239
The ears were up, the arms were longer than the

1238
01:12:40,359 --> 01:12:42,880
like the back legs they had like hung down by

1239
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,199
its sneeze. Once it had come out, it did take

1240
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:50,680
a couple of steps down towards me, and that's when

1241
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:57,399
things kind of changed. Now it put its ears back.

1242
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,800
And when it did that, because it was looking at me,

1243
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,720
it was more curious at first, and I was just

1244
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:07,000
kind of looking at it. But then it changed a

1245
01:13:07,039 --> 01:13:10,520
little bit. It put its ears back, and that's that's

1246
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,880
the part that scared me. Once the ears went back,

1247
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,439
because I was thinking, like, dogs do that, you know

1248
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,800
my dogs do that. Sometimes that's not a good sign.

1249
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:23,359
And then it started to really come out down the mountain.

1250
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,920
It started going very very fast and aggressed like it

1251
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,960
was coming fast now, not like the kind where you

1252
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,000
see like the quick blur like there, I know they

1253
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,680
can go really fast. This one was more like picking

1254
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,159
up its pace, letting me know, like I'm coming down there,

1255
01:13:36,199 --> 01:13:38,039
because I know it definitely could have been down there

1256
01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:41,039
way before you know, I even made a move. But

1257
01:13:41,119 --> 01:13:43,039
it started coming down a little bit. To me, it

1258
01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:46,279
seemed aggressive, like faster, like I felt like, all right,

1259
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,079
you gotta go. You shouldn't be standing here. So I

1260
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:54,800
literally grab my rod. I just ran with it, like

1261
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,560
I know that the line was still out there, like

1262
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,279
I don't. I don't know. I wasn't thinking about that,

1263
01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:03,880
and I started yelling for the other ones, like to

1264
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,079
come on, to come on. Like I said, I never

1265
01:14:06,199 --> 01:14:09,600
left that car too far because my fear of this

1266
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,840
obvious of not just that, but just I don't know,

1267
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,039
I was going through like some kind of cryptid phase

1268
01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:18,000
or something. I was pretty much freaked out over everything.

1269
01:14:18,079 --> 01:14:22,239
So I'm yelling for them. They know something is definitely

1270
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,479
definitely not right. So the car is not far from

1271
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,560
me at all. I get out to the car. They're

1272
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,039
already getting in the car. I threw my backpack in

1273
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,840
and I had shut I guess at the time, I

1274
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,159
wasn't really even thinking. I didn't remember. I remember. I

1275
01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:41,960
got in and I just took like the handle and

1276
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,920
stuff of my rod. That's the part that came in

1277
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,039
with me. And I ended up shutting the car door

1278
01:14:46,119 --> 01:14:48,239
on the rod, breaking the rod, which it was whatever.

1279
01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:50,800
I didn't care at the time. I wasn't thinking. So

1280
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,880
you had to back up, and you had to go

1281
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,640
back up that there was only one way in and

1282
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:03,079
one way out that road. So before the cars started,

1283
01:15:05,239 --> 01:15:07,800
we're starting to move. Now we still you can't speed

1284
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:09,600
out of there. There's no way you have to. You

1285
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,439
have to turn the car around and get out of there.

1286
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,239
This thing comes all the way down to the tree

1287
01:15:14,279 --> 01:15:17,600
line and literally comes, like I would say, just a

1288
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:19,560
foot out of the tree line. You could see it

1289
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,319
clear as day, like it was stepping out of its surroundings.

1290
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,880
And it was still on the two legs. I never

1291
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,119
saw it on on four legs. I saw it only

1292
01:15:27,159 --> 01:15:30,960
on two legs. It came out and it just stood

1293
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:35,920
there looking at all of us. And that's when the

1294
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,319
family members I was with their like, oh my god.

1295
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,960
Every they were saying bad words, all of us were.

1296
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,600
They were like, oh my god, you were right you like,

1297
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:47,720
I'm never going to make fun of you ever again.

1298
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,720
I said let's just go, like, just let's get out

1299
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,600
of here. And they were like, is it coming? Is

1300
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,079
it coming? And I was like, I don't know. I

1301
01:15:55,119 --> 01:15:57,159
was like, it's just standing there. They're looking at it.

1302
01:15:57,359 --> 01:15:59,079
We're trying to get the car out of there. I'm

1303
01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:02,680
in the back seat, and so we start out of

1304
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,920
there and the front two path, like the driver and

1305
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,479
the passenger. They keep saying like, oh my gosh, like

1306
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,760
like we knew, but we never saw, like we thought

1307
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,720
you were just playing around and we're so sorry we

1308
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,159
made fun of you. We'll never make fun of you again.

1309
01:16:17,319 --> 01:16:19,359
And so we get out of there and it just

1310
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,399
watches us leave. It literally just stood there. It had

1311
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:27,000
its arms to its side, not in front of it,

1312
01:16:27,039 --> 01:16:28,800
but it was like kind of like it was just

1313
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,159
watching us, like you maybe I don't know, it's just

1314
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,560
I don't know, like letting us know, like hey, I

1315
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:39,399
saw all of you, you saw me. And we left there.

1316
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,119
So once we got back, that's when everybody really started

1317
01:16:44,279 --> 01:16:46,960
freaking out because they're like, oh, we live way too

1318
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:51,439
close to this, Like you know, we talked to the

1319
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,720
trash man and the trash maan it said, uh, he's

1320
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,000
which it's true. There's actually I've heard it. There's stories

1321
01:16:58,359 --> 01:17:02,720
out from where we lived there in Shippensburg, stories out

1322
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,319
of there from the trash the trash pickup guy that

1323
01:17:07,159 --> 01:17:10,520
because I said there's there's a lot of farmland and stuff,

1324
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:15,520
he thought that he was about to encounter a huge cow.

1325
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,239
He thought a cow was out in the middle of

1326
01:17:17,279 --> 01:17:20,399
the road it happened to be. Now, the ones I've

1327
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,800
seen have not been have not looked like this. He saw.

1328
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:28,119
He thought it was a cow. It ended up looking

1329
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:32,399
to him like a huge hyhena like creature. He was

1330
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:37,439
absolutely terrified. But anyway, all the ones we saw, I

1331
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:41,039
want to say, they were more wolf like. They were

1332
01:17:41,039 --> 01:17:45,560
more wolf like the first one I see, the second

1333
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,640
one that I saw when it was at the Dompster,

1334
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,760
since that one looked so scraggly in the way it's

1335
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,600
ears where and these ears were big. All of them

1336
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,239
had toughs. I couldn't see the first one though the

1337
01:17:54,279 --> 01:17:56,239
first one was too dark. I only seen the eyes,

1338
01:17:56,359 --> 01:17:59,239
the nose, and the teeth and stuff. Never saw the ears.

1339
01:17:59,279 --> 01:18:03,520
But all the other ones had the toughs, even that

1340
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,960
really shiny, young black one, the one that that I

1341
01:18:06,199 --> 01:18:08,800
just had the encounter with, but his hair was just

1342
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:15,920
really short. They they all looked besides the sick one.

1343
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,079
That one kind of reminded me of the one from

1344
01:18:18,119 --> 01:18:21,119
like the Howling. How they looked like just I don't

1345
01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:24,199
know their hair or something about their ears, but all

1346
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:27,800
the rest looked more wolf like, but their teeth. All

1347
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,000
of them had these weird teeth, Like their teeth weren't

1348
01:18:31,239 --> 01:18:35,199
like normal dogs anytime, even the even the really nice

1349
01:18:35,319 --> 01:18:37,920
black one that I was looking at, it seems like

1350
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:42,279
they have so so many maybe more teeth that some

1351
01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:45,479
protrude out of their mouth, Like it's not like a

1352
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,479
normal dog at all. It's not like a normal wolf.

1353
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:54,000
They're protruding. And the way that uh, the top and

1354
01:18:54,039 --> 01:18:56,319
the bottom, they all looked sharp every time, like the

1355
01:18:56,319 --> 01:18:58,720
ones that I could see, it just didn't look like

1356
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:04,880
a normal dog or wolf's teeth. But so once we

1357
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,760
got back, everybody really started freaking out. Like I said,

1358
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:12,359
and my family member said, I can't do this. I'm

1359
01:19:12,359 --> 01:19:17,199
not doing this. I'm moving out. They moved out a

1360
01:19:17,279 --> 01:19:21,399
month later, back to our old county where we first

1361
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,720
lived with the Encounters, but in a whole nother area.

1362
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:29,720
But they they moved almost forty five minutes away to

1363
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,119
get away from what we were going through. I think

1364
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:36,279
that they were actually having some kind I guess, like

1365
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,399
the reality of you know, dog man and oh my gosh,

1366
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,520
like of course, why would I lie about it? But

1367
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,880
for them, I kept saying, like you'll see if you

1368
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,600
see one one day, you'll see you'll see how it's different.

1369
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,640
You'll see how it would change you. They never made

1370
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,479
fun of me again after that, let me tell you.

1371
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:56,479
And like I said, they moved now. So in twenty

1372
01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:02,079
twenty two we moved to a whole other house because

1373
01:20:02,079 --> 01:20:04,279
it was just time time to get away. I felt

1374
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,159
if we moved a little bit further away from Mishow

1375
01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:11,479
State Forest, maybe you know, things would would feel better,

1376
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:15,199
get better. We ended up moving. We're still in the

1377
01:20:15,279 --> 01:20:20,039
same county, Cumberland County, but now still in between ma

1378
01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:25,119
Show State Forest and the Tuscarora State Forest. They're literally

1379
01:20:25,359 --> 01:20:26,960
when you walk out of my house, if you look

1380
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,760
to the right, boom, right there is Tuscarora. If you

1381
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,520
look to the left, it's Mashow State Forest. The mountains,

1382
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,399
so I'm literally right in the middle. There's the kid

1383
01:20:36,399 --> 01:20:40,199
A Tinny Ridge, there's the Blue Mountains. There's so many

1384
01:20:40,279 --> 01:20:45,000
mountain ranges out here, it is. They're so gorgeous. Now

1385
01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:47,399
we like to go up to a place called Hawk's Watch,

1386
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,840
which is the Tuscarora Mountains. When you walk out of

1387
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:53,560
my house, like I said, when we drive up there,

1388
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,399
it takes us not even ten minutes. You go up there.

1389
01:20:56,399 --> 01:20:59,479
It wood's a lot of huge boulders. People love to

1390
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,960
go up to that area and it's called Hawk's Watch

1391
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,399
for a reason. You get up there, there's huge rocks,

1392
01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:08,840
it's a big opening. It's absolutely beautiful. All kinds of

1393
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:14,920
different birds seem to come there, hawks, vultures, owls, They

1394
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,920
have all kinds of different stuff. Especially it's really cool

1395
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,720
in the mornings, are like when it's evening time for sunset.

1396
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,840
So that's not far from our home at all. Nora

1397
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:29,560
is Machau State Forest. Our backyard right now, our front

1398
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,239
yard is just a normal We live in the country.

1399
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,039
Our backyard has woods. There's a well known creek literally

1400
01:21:37,159 --> 01:21:39,880
right in our backyard. It is a well well known creek.

1401
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:44,119
It's very popular. It's really good fishing. People tube kayak

1402
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:46,880
all that stuff on it. And that's in our backyard.

1403
01:21:47,119 --> 01:21:53,319
So at nighttime here we have raccoons, We have possums.

1404
01:21:53,319 --> 01:21:56,439
I think I told Vic how I help out baby

1405
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,960
any little baby critter that comes through. Like yesterday we

1406
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,560
found a baby pass helped him. We found one of

1407
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,279
our skunk skunks injured. Helped that one. We have deer.

1408
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,039
We have all kinds of stuff, baldy goals literally we

1409
01:22:07,079 --> 01:22:09,319
see them every day. They're in our backyard. We go

1410
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,279
fishing in that creek and we catch huge fish all

1411
01:22:12,359 --> 01:22:17,399
the time. So right before we moved here, on on

1412
01:22:17,399 --> 01:22:20,680
one of our routes. Now, my husband he knows that,

1413
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,199
he knows that I believe in dog Man, and I

1414
01:22:24,199 --> 01:22:26,560
always would tell him, like because we've been together for

1415
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,079
over eight years, but I had told him he knew.

1416
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:32,199
He never judged me or anything. But I was like,

1417
01:22:32,199 --> 01:22:34,800
I know it's going to sound crazy, and I told him.

1418
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,560
And you know, he doesn't listen to any podcasts. Now

1419
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,800
he does because I listened to him to them. So

1420
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,960
whatever I'm playing, he'll definitely listen in. And he's caught

1421
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,800
on and learned a lot in the past, Like I'll say,

1422
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:52,560
almost four years. So as we're driving from our old

1423
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,680
place to our new place, we would notice we'd still

1424
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:02,520
see those those the pack of them seeing those packs

1425
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,920
because we had to travel that highway and it's all farmland.

1426
01:23:07,159 --> 01:23:09,359
You would see the path like we would see the packs.

1427
01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:11,960
It would be glimpses only towards evening, but we would

1428
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,560
see that multiple times. So one day we're driving and

1429
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:19,680
this one's daylight and we're on the highway because that's

1430
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:21,960
like the main course to get from how you get

1431
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:26,399
around here, take the highway. We came to a certain

1432
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,760
area where it kind of it kind of I don't

1433
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,560
know how to describe it. It kind of takes you,

1434
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,199
I don't want to say, like it kind of on

1435
01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:35,359
a ramp. But it's not a ramp to like get

1436
01:23:35,399 --> 01:23:37,319
off of the highway. It's just like a ramp to

1437
01:23:37,399 --> 01:23:41,399
kind of veer around. So we're driving and all the

1438
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:45,199
cars start slowing down, and we're like, what the heck's

1439
01:23:45,239 --> 01:23:47,760
going on now? Wasn't coming to a complete stop that

1440
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,399
We were still moving, just going a little bit slower.

1441
01:23:51,319 --> 01:23:56,079
On my side of the car, it looked like it

1442
01:23:56,159 --> 01:23:59,600
literally looked like a dog man had gotten hit by

1443
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,039
maybe eighteen wheeler. You could see what we saw. It

1444
01:24:03,079 --> 01:24:05,840
didn't make sense. And that's another thing that made him

1445
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,720
a believer. You could see it was the craziest thing.

1446
01:24:11,079 --> 01:24:13,760
It had brown hair. And this one was like super graphic,

1447
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,840
but like really really graphic. It was really big. Now,

1448
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,840
this had some of the colors like when you say buckskin,

1449
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:25,119
you know, like deer it had for the color like that,

1450
01:24:25,279 --> 01:24:30,319
not hair like that. This was very thick, thick hair

1451
01:24:30,399 --> 01:24:32,439
like it was. It was weird, but you could see

1452
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,479
its face. Its face actually was like half of the

1453
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:39,079
head and face was smashed in. It was so weird.

1454
01:24:39,119 --> 01:24:41,840
You could see the teeth, it looked. We just had

1455
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,680
a couple seconds to look at it. It was so odd.

1456
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,600
The it had like the hump on it, like you

1457
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,800
could see real quickly, like because we had to drive by.

1458
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,119
But the face, that's the part that stuck out for me.

1459
01:24:53,239 --> 01:24:55,479
It was like, like I said, it was still half

1460
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,680
crushed and stuff, but you could see half of it.

1461
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:00,359
You could see the teeth didn't look right. You could

1462
01:25:00,359 --> 01:25:04,239
see the ears. You definitely see the ears where it

1463
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:08,000
looked like a wolf way bigger. This was way bigger

1464
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,159
than a coyote, way bigger than it was bigger than

1465
01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:14,880
a deer. But we were going there's no way anybody

1466
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,319
could stop. And I was like, we were like, holy crap,

1467
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:20,520
we should have got a picture that like, let's turn around.

1468
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,600
There was no way you could turn around. You had

1469
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,199
to still drive for a couple miles. So we got

1470
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:28,680
home and I forget what we were figuring out. I

1471
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:32,199
forget how or what we did, but we had gone back.

1472
01:25:32,359 --> 01:25:34,079
It was not in the papers. It was not in

1473
01:25:34,119 --> 01:25:37,920
the news. This thing literally there was no trace of it.

1474
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,520
There was no trace of it at all, because we

1475
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,039
wanted to see what it was. We wanted to see, like,

1476
01:25:43,119 --> 01:25:46,399
what the heck, how did something jump up There's no ground,

1477
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:50,079
Like it would have to have jumped on that ramp part,

1478
01:25:50,119 --> 01:25:53,039
like it would have had to jump like thirty feet

1479
01:25:53,159 --> 01:25:55,520
or maybe I don't know, it was the biggest jump,

1480
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,199
Like it didn't make sense of where we saw this

1481
01:25:58,279 --> 01:25:59,960
thing and that it was dead right there, and how

1482
01:26:00,079 --> 01:26:03,560
the heck did it get up here? But when we

1483
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,720
went back to look to see because we just had

1484
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,520
to know, like it just some my husband kept saying,

1485
01:26:10,359 --> 01:26:12,960
oh my gosh, like that was some kind of freaking

1486
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,199
He wasn't saying that word, but he was saying, that

1487
01:26:16,319 --> 01:26:18,359
just didn't look right. That wasn't a dog, that wasn't

1488
01:26:18,399 --> 01:26:20,640
a kyrie. That was like, what the heck was that like?

1489
01:26:21,279 --> 01:26:23,079
And I was like, I'm telling you, that could have

1490
01:26:23,119 --> 01:26:25,399
been a dog man. But when we did go back,

1491
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,600
which was right after that, once we could turn around

1492
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,800
and stuff there was like it was cleaned up. There

1493
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,000
was no trace of anything. That was like the whole

1494
01:26:34,039 --> 01:26:36,279
other thing. And I was like telling him because he

1495
01:26:36,319 --> 01:26:39,840
always hears here's the stuff that I listened to. But

1496
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:41,720
I was like, I'm telling you, they probably came out

1497
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,399
here and cleaned it up, like there's not a trace

1498
01:26:43,399 --> 01:26:46,239
of anything. Like people weren't even stopping. It looked like

1499
01:26:46,279 --> 01:26:49,359
people wanted to, but you literally could not stop there.

1500
01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:51,319
You would have gotten hurt, you would have got run over.

1501
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:53,000
Just didn't make sense.

1502
01:26:53,239 --> 01:26:55,359
Speaker 2: But so.

1503
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: We're still near. We like to hike a lot. I

1504
01:27:00,319 --> 01:27:03,159
think I said that earlier, but we picked a ten

1505
01:27:03,239 --> 01:27:07,720
mile hike for my birthday maybe two years ago. We

1506
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,960
do go in the Tuscarora over there's just a little

1507
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,680
more rugged. There's a lot of rattlesnake over there. Same

1508
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,359
with Michow, but there's just a lot of it's more

1509
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:18,279
I don't want to say, I guess a little bit

1510
01:27:18,319 --> 01:27:20,439
more wild than the show. My show is pretty wild.

1511
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:25,439
But we went we did a ten mile hike into

1512
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:30,960
Mahow State Forest with the Appalachian Trail, and we decided

1513
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:35,920
to pick it's a place called dead Woman's Hollow and

1514
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:39,680
dead Woman's Hollow it was named that part for a reason.

1515
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:44,239
It's a fact there was a really horrible murder. I

1516
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:48,039
want to say it happened in nineteen eighty nine in

1517
01:27:48,119 --> 01:27:51,640
the show State Forest Dead Woman's Trail. That's what it

1518
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,119
is called. If you google that in Pennsylvania, dead Woman's

1519
01:27:54,119 --> 01:27:59,439
Trail in PA in Mishow State Forest, google murder took

1520
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:03,279
place and it will tell you a story about there

1521
01:28:03,399 --> 01:28:07,840
was a survivor and she actually had escaped crawled out

1522
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:11,760
and it was through Shippensburg area where I lived, which

1523
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:16,119
I just told you guys about. But there was two women.

1524
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,239
There was a man who escaped I think jail or something.

1525
01:28:19,279 --> 01:28:21,720
He was a murderer. He snuck up there and was

1526
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,239
hiding out there, had access to a gun, and ended

1527
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:27,199
up killing two women that went out there. They were

1528
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:29,760
mining their business. I think they were camping out. But

1529
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,880
what upset him is at that time I guess he

1530
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,880
saw they were women doing stuff and at that time

1531
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:40,239
he thought lesbians and he shot and he shot both

1532
01:28:40,279 --> 01:28:42,000
of them and killed the one and ended up the

1533
01:28:42,039 --> 01:28:44,840
one ended up surviving. But I can't think of their

1534
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:46,920
names right now. I wish I would have wrote that

1535
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,039
down so you guys can look that up. It is true,

1536
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,439
but that trail is called that for that reason. And

1537
01:28:53,039 --> 01:28:57,680
on that trail actually there are a few stories of

1538
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,760
dog men. That's where they like to pop up on

1539
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:05,920
hikers and hunters, and so I don't know why that's

1540
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,640
the trail that we chose. Not knowing that, but we

1541
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:14,079
went out and did our Temaio hike. I've never ever

1542
01:29:14,199 --> 01:29:16,560
encountered a big foot, which I'm sure I've definitely been

1543
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,279
around now. I definitely believe in all that stuff. But

1544
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:23,239
we heard our first. It was just me and my husband.

1545
01:29:23,279 --> 01:29:27,640
We heard our first randomly out of the blue. It

1546
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,359
was a bigfoot, like a whoop, and I just couldn't

1547
01:29:31,359 --> 01:29:32,800
believe it. I looked at him, I was like, did

1548
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,239
you hear that? I was like, I was like that,

1549
01:29:35,279 --> 01:29:37,399
there's no other hikers, Like, there wasn't not where we

1550
01:29:37,399 --> 01:29:39,720
were at there was no other hikers around. It was

1551
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,520
really like a whoop from them. And I was just like, Wow,

1552
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:46,600
that's really cool. Don't ask me why. I don't know.

1553
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:48,760
It's probably from one of the shows that I've heard.

1554
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:54,720
Other ones we brought purposely to leave. Whenever we enter

1555
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,119
the forest, I always like to say, you know, I

1556
01:29:57,159 --> 01:30:00,680
come here with I'm not bringing any danger, not here

1557
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:04,039
to hurt anything. I'm just passing through, enjoying my day.

1558
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,119
I actually brought. I left once I heard that, whoop,

1559
01:30:08,119 --> 01:30:10,199
I don't I got so excited I left. So we

1560
01:30:10,279 --> 01:30:12,800
left some raw bacon, just two slices, that's all I brought.

1561
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:17,079
I left it there, kept it going. Don't know, you know,

1562
01:30:17,159 --> 01:30:21,000
if bigfoot or whatever got it, but we didn't see

1563
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:27,000
anything at that time. But out this way now, I

1564
01:30:27,039 --> 01:30:31,439
feel like they're attracted to me. I can tell. Usually

1565
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:35,359
I'll get like really weird feelings about outside, Like lately,

1566
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:39,039
actually it feels super weird in the one part, like

1567
01:30:39,079 --> 01:30:42,600
the one area of our the backyard, which goes it's

1568
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:45,680
in the woods, like right up against the creek there.

1569
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,319
It's it's just for some reason, like nobody really likes

1570
01:30:48,359 --> 01:30:51,439
that one dark, dark part, and I'm always too afraid

1571
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:55,159
to even like shine our spotlight over there, like we

1572
01:30:55,199 --> 01:30:57,680
avoid that area. I don't know's it's just weird. I

1573
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:00,600
don't know why all of us just think that part is.

1574
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:04,399
I don't know, there's something about that area that's super weird.

1575
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:08,640
But they've been like on hikes and things, some of them,

1576
01:31:09,119 --> 01:31:12,439
I some of them like will show themselves. You'll see

1577
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:16,920
a glimpse of one here or there, but nothing has

1578
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:23,960
like chased, chased, me. Nothing has come face to face

1579
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,520
with me again since that, since twenty twenty one. But

1580
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,680
you can depending like when you go and stuff like

1581
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,880
or when I go, because I just haven't had a chance,

1582
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,680
and like to be honest, sometimes I just get too

1583
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:41,000
freaked out to go. We do our our hiking. I'm

1584
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,520
trying to plan a trip actually to do a quick

1585
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,640
sleep one night or on the Appalachian Trail with my husband,

1586
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,000
pop our ten up and go sleep out there. But

1587
01:31:51,079 --> 01:31:53,640
I'm not sure I'm gonna try to do that because

1588
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:57,399
the last time I did it, I had to leave.

1589
01:31:57,640 --> 01:31:59,640
I had to leave there. It felt like it just

1590
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,560
felt like we had to go. But you can tell

1591
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,880
that they're definitely still around, but nothing there hasn't been

1592
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:11,840
any like knocking on windows. My neighbors have chickens, I

1593
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:14,079
have good night critters that come here every night like

1594
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:18,079
I have. They still come. I just feel like they're around.

1595
01:32:19,039 --> 01:32:22,560
They're around and watching all the time. But I feel

1596
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,960
like maybe the ones that are around, they just don't

1597
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,560
want to be bothered, And you know, I'm all right

1598
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:31,399
with not bothering them. And that's how I just try

1599
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:34,399
to uh. I try to think that I try to

1600
01:32:34,399 --> 01:32:38,159
respect things everything. I feel like everything has a reason

1601
01:32:38,199 --> 01:32:42,479
to be here, everything has a reason to live. I

1602
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:46,279
understand hunting and providing and things like that, but I

1603
01:32:46,359 --> 01:32:48,520
just tried to respect the earth and everything in there,

1604
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:53,079
and I think that they should just be left alone.

1605
01:32:53,279 --> 01:32:56,720
I don't tell people. Some people will ask. I mean,

1606
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:58,800
I did say a couple of names of the places.

1607
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,159
I mean, people go to Mache State Forest. You should.

1608
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:03,920
It's a beautiful place. It's really beautiful. There's lots of trails.

1609
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,319
Just be careful what you're going in there looking for,

1610
01:33:07,399 --> 01:33:10,039
because it will find you. It definitely will find you.

1611
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,680
I've seen a lot of hunters. Like I said, we

1612
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,159
go deep out there, we run into hunters. We'd like

1613
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:18,880
to talk to them. Me and my son really enjoyed

1614
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,880
talking to hunters. We've met a lot of cool people

1615
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:24,279
out out in those woods. We've come across a lot

1616
01:33:24,279 --> 01:33:28,720
of hunters who have looked really terrified, who some have

1617
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:30,960
walked with us before, like hey, can we tag along

1618
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,159
with you? Or hey, like what did you see? Like

1619
01:33:33,199 --> 01:33:36,239
we can't go around asking just anybody like you know, hey,

1620
01:33:36,399 --> 01:33:38,640
like did you see any you know where wolf out

1621
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:42,439
there while you were hunting? But there has been people

1622
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:44,760
you know, hunters that have said, you know, they've seen

1623
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,800
some really weird things. My family has seen some weird things,

1624
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:52,199
but nothing like I've seen. But now I feel a

1625
01:33:52,199 --> 01:33:54,520
little bit better since I've talked to Vic and stuff,

1626
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,439
and like I feel like I have more support. Like

1627
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,880
my husband, he's really supportive and he he knows, but

1628
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,479
I try to tell him, Whang, you're actually out there.

1629
01:34:05,319 --> 01:34:07,880
And and since most of my now have been during daytime,

1630
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:11,800
which is which is fine, but it doesn't change the

1631
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,000
fact whether you're prepared for it really or not. When

1632
01:34:14,079 --> 01:34:16,279
when you have that encounter and it's right there in

1633
01:34:16,359 --> 01:34:18,800
front of you, you're not thinking about certain things, like

1634
01:34:19,239 --> 01:34:22,359
you're not thinking I mean maybe maybe some people, but

1635
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:25,520
it's like I have my phone so many times on

1636
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:29,000
my hand, I never thought once about taking its picture

1637
01:34:29,079 --> 01:34:33,239
or making a video. I never ever did, and hearing

1638
01:34:33,279 --> 01:34:35,479
about some of it, I feel like it wouldn't work anyway.

1639
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,640
It's either gonna you're not going to get a picture

1640
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:42,319
or you're gonna really upset something. And well, I mean,

1641
01:34:42,359 --> 01:34:46,359
anything could happen to you. But so I'm just trying

1642
01:34:46,399 --> 01:34:48,800
to make the best of it. I still watch, like

1643
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:53,560
I said, my neighbors have chickens, so we know that, like,

1644
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:58,279
the chickens are fine, that nothing's happening. There's a school

1645
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:01,199
right near me, so I feel a little bit safer,

1646
01:35:01,319 --> 01:35:03,279
like I don't know something about the comfort of that,

1647
01:35:03,399 --> 01:35:06,439
like kids, I know there's police close by and stuff,

1648
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,039
even though we do live in our little quiet area.

1649
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,359
I just feel like they, the ones that are around here,

1650
01:35:13,279 --> 01:35:15,840
don't really they just don't want to bother you. You

1651
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:17,960
just might see them, you know, they're passing through or

1652
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:22,279
doing whatever they're doing, and you know you just have

1653
01:35:22,399 --> 01:35:24,640
to you got to try and just live with them too.

1654
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:27,960
But also still, don't you know, they're not a friend.

1655
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:32,359
I wouldn't say, you know, don't don't be don't be

1656
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:35,760
worried about them. Definitely just be on guard and things

1657
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,479
like that. But I don't feel like anybody should go

1658
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,239
hunt them and try and kill them and stuff like that.

1659
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:43,199
I think they should just be left alone.

1660
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,359
Speaker 2: Well, it's awfully admirable that you still feel that way

1661
01:35:46,399 --> 01:35:49,880
about them after having all these experiences, because, as I'm

1662
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,279
sure you realize, most people wouldn't feel that way.

1663
01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:55,199
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I still have a tough time because

1664
01:35:57,119 --> 01:35:59,439
like that younger one, like he was really beautiful. But

1665
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:02,000
don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong, they don't

1666
01:36:02,079 --> 01:36:04,800
look like like a normal dog. Even when their face

1667
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:08,000
is like normal, they something about them. They look very different.

1668
01:36:08,039 --> 01:36:14,239
They look very angry. They look angry, they look scarier,

1669
01:36:14,359 --> 01:36:16,159
if that makes sense too. They don't just you know,

1670
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:18,560
like a regular dog when it's resting. They don't look

1671
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:22,439
like regular like that. There's things about them that is

1672
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:26,399
just absolutely terrifying. Like their teeth. The thing I can't that.

1673
01:36:27,159 --> 01:36:29,479
It's something about their ears, the way their ears twitched,

1674
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,920
or they would twitch their fingers like in the movie too,

1675
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:35,960
like or when they wrinkle their nose too, because I

1676
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:40,479
saw that, Like it just oh something about that, Like

1677
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,159
I just it just does something to me. It just

1678
01:36:44,199 --> 01:36:50,039
does something to me. But they'll one like, I'm just

1679
01:36:50,079 --> 01:36:55,359
not looking for them. I'm not bothering. We're not bothering anything.

1680
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 2: You know.

1681
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 1: We like to enjoy the woods too, and we know

1682
01:36:58,079 --> 01:37:02,840
they live there. It's just how it is.

1683
01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is a shame that these guys being

1684
01:37:07,079 --> 01:37:10,239
around is taken away from you being able to live

1685
01:37:10,279 --> 01:37:12,640
that dream of living out in the woods. It really

1686
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:16,079
shouldn't be that way. But playing the glad game I'm

1687
01:37:16,119 --> 01:37:19,199
glad you're coping with these experiences as well as you are,

1688
01:37:19,319 --> 01:37:22,039
Thank goodness, because a lot of people wouldn't be able

1689
01:37:22,079 --> 01:37:22,479
to do that.

1690
01:37:24,039 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 1: No, I am too. And it's you know where I live.

1691
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,840
I mean, we're we're just near I mean it took

1692
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,079
years for me to like like do the research and

1693
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:39,159
look up things and listen to other other stories as well.

1694
01:37:39,159 --> 01:37:41,039
That way you can think like, Okay, oh well this

1695
01:37:41,199 --> 01:37:43,720
happened here. It took me a long time to realize, like,

1696
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:47,000
you know, we're near South Mountain. We're also near all

1697
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:49,720
these other mountains. I'm We're literally like where we live

1698
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,680
is like just a little We're in like a bowl,

1699
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:56,640
and everything around us are all these different mountains, so

1700
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:01,760
many other terrifying we live. Okay, So there's the State

1701
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:05,279
Penitentiary that's out there in Philly. Everybody loves to go

1702
01:38:05,359 --> 01:38:08,399
there towards Halloween. It's a big, big thing. You know,

1703
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:12,079
they're supposed to be running rampant out there at times

1704
01:38:12,119 --> 01:38:14,920
in Philly. And I feel like some I do feel

1705
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,479
like they travel. I definitely do feel like they travel,

1706
01:38:18,039 --> 01:38:20,640
for sure, I know they do. But I also think

1707
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:24,199
that there are some that I wouldn't say I don't.

1708
01:38:25,319 --> 01:38:28,239
I could say, like, you know, maybe a couple that

1709
01:38:28,359 --> 01:38:32,239
hang around or whatever, depending on there's there's so much

1710
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,920
things to eat out here. There's so many deer, there's horses,

1711
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:40,039
there's cows, there's ghosts. So that's why. And it's I

1712
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:45,239
always seem to see them and some in summer, but

1713
01:38:45,359 --> 01:38:48,359
mainly fall, and it's a little bit weird winter like

1714
01:38:48,399 --> 01:38:51,199
when we're going in the winter. I've never seen them

1715
01:38:51,359 --> 01:38:57,439
aft in January, February or March, but those are the

1716
01:38:57,439 --> 01:39:01,600
only three months that we never had any kind of encounters.

1717
01:39:02,199 --> 01:39:04,680
It was weird. Those were the only three months all

1718
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:06,920
the rest, so it seems like, you know, they definitely

1719
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,119
have their patterns, but there definitely are some. I can

1720
01:39:09,159 --> 01:39:11,479
tell you there are some that stay because when we

1721
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:13,880
lived at that one place with those cattle that were there,

1722
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:17,079
this was going on all the time, and the dear

1723
01:39:17,159 --> 01:39:20,720
this was going on at least a couple times a month,

1724
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,239
like so nothing was moving, you know. I mean, I'm

1725
01:39:23,279 --> 01:39:25,800
sure they moved around, but they didn't go too far,

1726
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,439
like they were still in that area. It was really

1727
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,399
it was really ought out in that place, really crazy.

1728
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:34,279
Speaker 2: Well it goes with us saying I'm so glad you

1729
01:39:34,319 --> 01:39:36,840
get a break at least some of the months out

1730
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:38,560
of the year. Thank goodness for that.

1731
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:41,439
Speaker 1: Huh, yes, yeah.

1732
01:39:41,279 --> 01:39:45,760
Speaker 2: I'd say so. Well, I've got some questions I wanted

1733
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:47,680
to ask you, and also I wanted to share some

1734
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:50,840
questions with you from the live chat from the listeners,

1735
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:54,399
but we're definitely out of time tonight. Would you be

1736
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:57,199
up for coming back Monday night to nine pm Eastern

1737
01:39:57,279 --> 01:39:59,359
time to do a Q and A?

1738
01:39:59,359 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

1739
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:05,159
Speaker 2: Oh great, great, well, yeah that's the case. Then everything

1740
01:40:05,239 --> 01:40:07,880
ready to go, and we'll just come back Monday night

1741
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:10,439
at nine pm Eastern time and we'll do that Q

1742
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:10,800
and A.

1743
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 1: Then sounds good to.

1744
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 2: Me, all right, perfect? Well, of course, I can't thank

1745
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,720
you enough for coming on and sharing all these details,

1746
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,279
and as you know, I'm looking forward to Monday night

1747
01:40:22,359 --> 01:40:27,000
to having you back definitely. Vic all right, great, well,

1748
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:30,439
thanks again so much for your time and have great weekend.

1749
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 1: Kay you too, Thank you, Thank you, everybody.

1750
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:38,159
Speaker 2: You're welcome. We'll see you then. Well, everyone listening, I

1751
01:40:38,199 --> 01:40:41,399
can't thank you enough for listening and supporting the show

1752
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:45,119
the way you do. I really appreciate it. And speaking

1753
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:49,840
of appreciation, both Mom Spaghetti and Peter Parsons. Thanks to

1754
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:52,439
both of you so much for your donations. I really

1755
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:55,800
appreciate that as well. But before we get out of here,

1756
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:58,359
if you've had a dog an encounter, if you'd like

1757
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:00,479
to speak with me about it and pry it, or

1758
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:01,920
if you want to come on the show and share

1759
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:04,439
it with the listeners, all you need to do is

1760
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:08,800
to go to dogmanthencounters dot com submit a report, and

1761
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,760
if you do that then I'll contact you and schedule

1762
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:14,600
a phone conversation. Then that way we can take it

1763
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:18,520
from there. But having said all that, thanks again so

1764
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,119
much for listening and have a great weekend.