Speaker 1: At a book in.
Speaker 2: Tonight's guest has always been terrified of were wolves, and
poor thing. When you hear about what she experienced when
she was only four years old, is totally understandable. It
was nineteen eighty five and unfortunately in the safety of
her own home, that's when she had it absolutely horrible.
After having experience like that, it's totally understandable why you'd
be terrified of them. Without getting any further into the details,
let's bring her on here now. Tonight's guest is Kay. Okay,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Vic, and hello to everybody.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Cay,
please give us a brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 1: Okay, I am forty five years old. I live in
Pennsylvania and I have been outdoors my whole life, always
in the woods. My family are some of them are hunters.
I love animals, so I'm always helping wild animals. I
have three grown children and I have grandchildren as well,
and we're always always outside doing something. Fishing is like
one of my big things. But in twenty twelve, I
was in a very bad accident and I ended up
with a lot of injuries, and I have a traumatic
brain injury. So I just wanted you and everybody to
know tonight. Sometimes I do have a little bit of
issues with my brain. But I'm sure I can just
work through all of that.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure you're going to do just fine. Don't
think it's going to be a problem at all. Okay,
from what I understand, there was a two year stretch
when you weren't able to go into the woods for
fear of having another dog me an encounter. How'd you
overcome that fear and start going back in?
Speaker 1: Well, Uh, I have really bad insidey even thinking about that.
I moved. First of all, I moved, and then we
actually ended up moving. We moved pretty much right up
against little did I know, like a huge, huge force
that is a big hot spot actually to them. But
my family were really outdoors and my son kept saying
finding all these trails. So we started going out on
the trails. And it's a part of the Appalachian Trail
as well. The Appalation runs along there. The Georgia and
Maine on trails were right on on some of the
other trails that we went, and we just he said,
let's just give it a shot because he knew, and
we packed up our tents and went out there and
we got through the evening. It was a little tough,
but once once we did that, I felt a lot
better and we started doing all of our hiking and
stuff again. But that also did lead to more encounters, unfortunately.
Speaker 2: But I am glad that you're able to head back in.
I mean, as long as you're doing that, that's a
great start. Oh yes, yeah, definitely. Before you spoke with
me about your encounters, a very experienced dog Man researcher
helped you. What more can you tell us about that?
Speaker 1: I once, all right, So once I didn't know about
dog Man, not until I would say it was I
want to say twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen pretty much,
maybe closer to twenty eighteen. But one of my family
members said, hey, you know, you should check out YouTube.
There's some really cool stuff that you would be interested
in it. I actually happened to just look up what
I had seen, and I came upon your show and
I listened to the first one I ever listened to
was Danielle Steadman's. When I listened to that, I was hoped.
I played every episode that you ever had at that time,
and I just could not believe. It actually floored me
that so many other people saw these creatures and that
they were all over and that it had a name,
dog Man, Like that was the first time that I
ever actually you know, like I was just blown away
that other people had seen it and it had a name.
And from there I was pretty much, I would say,
definitely obsessed, but still super super scared, super scared.
Speaker 2: Well, I can understand, why did you think there were
were wolves that you had seen until you discovered the
term dog man?
Speaker 1: Actually, yes, I thought they were. That's exactly what I
thought they were. And my cousin and other people who
were with me for the different for well, for the
two encounters, that's what I thought, and I didn't. I
only thought that because of the experience I had in
nineteen eighty five when I was about five. You know,
my family was strict. We didn't watch We weren't allowed
to watch any kind of scary movies. I mean I was,
I wasn't even in kindergarten. We had bedtime, but one
night my cousin and I we had crept out and
crawled and wanted to see what our parents were watching
in the living room. While at that time it wasn't
nineteen eighty five, it was i'd say eighty seven because
I was definitely a little bit older. We came out
and we saw it was the howling, and once I
saw that, that traumatized everything. That's kind of what it
reminded me of what I had seen kind of and
that's why I was like werewolf. But I didn't think
a person changed into it. It like when I've seen them.
I thought that it was definitely like a creature of living, breathing,
bleeding creature.
Speaker 2: Well it's a small help, but I am glad you
realized it wasn't something a case of a person transforming
into that state. That yeah, probably didn't help too much,
but it helped little.
Speaker 1: Yes, it definitely did, but it was still super super
uh super crazy. And then the more I listened to you,
the more information it just it it takes you down
a rabbit hole. And I tried. I still try to
listen to everything and try and just gain as much
knowledge as as I can, because nobody really knows everything,
and when people share stuff, that's how you just put
everything together and just try and figure it out.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, that's a really good point. How did
you wind up meeting al Seantariga, because I know he
helped you quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes he did so. He He and I I've
been on I wined different excuse me, Facebook groups a
couple of years ago, not not too long not too
long ago, probably during COVID, and I had actually met
him in one of those groups, and I me and
him became Facebook friends as well, and I heard him
on your show and it just it blew me away.
I didn't realize after like having it. I listened to
his encounters and I was just like wow. And then
I had reached out to him, and he told me too.
He was like, you know, if you're going to talk
to anybody, definitely Vic. He's a really good guy. He'll
definitely help you through it. And he was even willing
to come along and talk with with you and I
at the time, but uh, it just didn't work out
that way. I ended up talking to you myself, which
was fine. But he's he's a really nice guy. He
is really really nice. He's a great guy.
Speaker 2: That he is. Yeah, he's top notch. He really is.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: He doesn't get enough credit. I mean, the man deserves
so much more credit than he actually ever gets. It's
not even funny.
Speaker 1: Yep, No, he really does. He's a really great guy.
Speaker 2: Well, no doubt about that. Your recent your most recent
encounter happened in twenty twenty two. Do you think that's
going to be the last one you're ever going to have?
Speaker 1: No, definitely, I don't think not. Twenty twenty two was actually, yes,
definitely an encounter. Now I have seen them after that,
but I have not had, you know, a one on
one encounter with them, Like I've been driving where I've
seen them, or I'll catch glimpses, but not an actual
you know what I mean, encounter. But yeah, twenty twenty
two is the last encounter that I had.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it's not going to come as any
surprise to you when I say this, but I'd be
astonished if that was actually the last encounter you wind
up having. I think you've got more in the horizon. Unfortunately, yes,
so do I.
Speaker 1: But like I said, listening and learning as much as
possible definitely seems to help. It doesn't, I mean, it
still doesn't take away when you actually see one and
you're there. People don't really realize, like it it's so different,
you're not thinking about any of that stuff, Like because
you're just so I couldn't even move.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure. Yeah, that young, and I'll bet you
were frozen. Well that's talking about the first encounter when
you're only four. But no matter how old you are,
I mean, that type of tear is going to make
you freeze in most cases. Though I totally get what
you're saying.
Speaker 1: The other thing is too, not just that, it's you're
not sure which one you're going to run into with
the temperament, you know what I mean, Like some of
them are just nasty, and then there's some that just
don't want to be bothered, you know, or you just
that's the other chance you're taking.
Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt, no doubt about that. All right, Kay,
in your own good time, Please tell us about your encounters. Now,
give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay. It was nineteen eighty five. I lived in Dauphin
County at that time, and in my neighborhood there were woods,
a lot of woods at that time, but I lived
in just a normal two story house. I was five
years old. I lived with my mom and dad and
my two cousins. I was the oldest. Our house was
just like the level, all right. So if you're standing
on our grass outside, there would be the windows at
the bottom of the basement level where you could just
look right in, obviously, And then if you're standing still
on the grass, but the windows above you, we had
an apple tree there. It's not tall enough for a
human to stand and look in, but something a little
bit taller than us could obviously definitely look in. But
what had happened? It was nighttime, it was bedtime. I
was staying in the living room with my mom. We
had two couches. She was on the far couch and
I was on the couch to the side with the wall,
and there was a TV directly in front of us,
where we both could just look straight ahead. The TV
was off, and since you couldn't see outside by standing
on the grass in our house, my mom had just
sheer white curtains you could see through them. And the
curtains were open, they were pushed open. The windows weren't.
They were shut. I had already fallen asleep, everybody was
already asleep that night, and I got woken up. I
heard this tapping, and where I was laying on the couch,
my head my feet were closer to the window. My
head was further away. So I kept hearing this tapping
and tapping, and it was just over and over, and
I sat up and I looked around. I looked over
at my mom because I couldn't understand why she couldn't
hear it, because it was pretty loud. And I looked
back and I looked around, and finally I looked at
the windows and all I saw it first. They were ginormous,
just big red eyes, like just deep red red red eyes,
just staring in the window at me. Nothing was blinking
at that time. It was still tapping, and then it stopped.
The tapping stopped, and then it started tapping again, and
that's when I did see it blink. It was just
eyes at that time, and I just kept staring at
the window, and I just couldn't understand, like because I'd
never seen a scary movie at that time, not any
kind of scary movie, but I felt the fear. I
was very scared. I just kept staring at it. And
then that's when it was all black, like pitch black dark.
It was blacker than black. It had pressed its face
against the window, and now the eyes were really far apart,
so it was like it took a lot of the
window up, like you could see the red eyes. But
it pressed its face against the window and you could
see it's like black nose, and you could see a
little bit when it was breathing, but you could see
its teeth, and it was just smiling at me, and
it wasn't a nice smile. I knew that as a kid,
I knew that there was something not right with this,
and I kept thinking, like, why is there a big
dog at the window. And then it started the tapping again,
and it was still just smiling. It had its mouth
open a little bit. You could still see its eyes
were just hooked right on me. I looked at my
mom again, and I could just feel this fear. I
was shaking. I decided to climb down off the couch.
I took my blanket and I went behind the couch
and I crawled down behind the couch closer to the window.
If that makes sense. I had went in where my
head was at and I crawled all the way down
to get to the bottom where my feet had been
closer to the window. To see to peek out like
where I could see up at that window. And I did,
and it was still there. It knew exactly where I was.
It was looking down right at me. It was still tapping,
still smiling. And I went back into the couch like
I was still behind it, and I remember covering up.
I was shaking, and at some point I must must
have just fallen asleep, because the next day I woke up.
It was daytime. My mother was already cooking breakfast, and
I remember I came out from behind there and I
told her, I said, there was a really big dog
at the window with eyes red eyes. And my mom said,
you just had a bad dream. And you know, I
thought about it, and I was like, maybe I did.
It felt too real to me, But I mean I
was five, So that was the first encounter. Now me,
I still lived in that same house. We had a
whole bunch of neighborhood friends, all of us kids. There
was a whole bunch of us. We would all get
together and this was just s right after you know,
I was five, I went into kindergarten, got into elementary,
so I was a little bit older. I was still
in like the elementary phase. The years of that, all
of us would get together and we would decide to
play games like kick the can or you know, we'd
play football. We liked when it would get dark. That's
when we liked to play all kinds of different games
at night. So the kids and I and I'm still
friends with a lot of my childhood friends, they remember this.
We used to go in my backyard because my backyard
had a lot of trees kind of like woods in
the back there there's a lot of pine trees, big
trees that you could climb. There was some tall grass
and stuff. But we always would remember that occasionally when
we would be in the one side of that area,
there was always a darker side. It just seemed it
just felt weird. At that side where the mulberry trees
and stuff were, we would see those red eyes. And
that was the craziest thing to us. We would see
those red eyes, not just me, all of them. We
would just take off running as kids, run back down
to the front where it was lit with the street lights,
and we would all talk about that and we would
try to avoid it, but we did see those red eyes.
Over a couple of years, it never exposed itself. I
can't say exactly if that's what it was, but all
of us would see those red eyes for a while.
So my second encounter was in I would say, let's see,
I would say nineteen ninety five, maybe ninety six. I
was fifteen. I know that. So my cousins grew up
with me, and my cousins actually had moved to an
apartment with their mom. That was about i'd say, driving
seven minutes from the house that I grew up in.
With the encounter, they move out to Susquehanna area, and
my cousin was super young. I would say she was.
I want to say she was maybe twelve, maybe thirteen.
But I went over to her apartment building. And now
this apartment building, let me explain it to you. There
was a three or four actually there was four or
five different buildings. It was well lit. There was dumpster
areas when you walked up to any of the buildings,
but her building, I'll just keep it with her building.
You have to go over this like little concrete bridge
with railing. It takes you up to the door where
you either have to use your key or you have
to buzz somebody in. You cannot just open that door
without that key or without someone buzzing you in, so
nothing could just enter enter the building. And it had
a bunch of glass so you could see out. You
could see the parking lot, you could see the dumpster.
There was a little playground. So I was at her
house and she was outside playing. This was towards evening,
it was just starting to It was in fall time too.
I know that because it was a little bit chilly.
I remember it was like a little round dinner time.
So I was making us something to eat. I was
waiting for her to come in. So she comes in,
and she lived on the second floor. So when you
walked into that building, when you walked up to that
door and let yourself in with either you know, buzzing
somebody or the key, when you walked in those doors,
you could either go the steps downstairs to the basement,
or you could take the steps up to the second
floor and go through the door that was her apartment,
or you could turn and go up another flight of
steps to the third floor. So it was a three
story building. She lived on the second story. So she
had come inside and she was crying and shaking, and
she said that there was a werewolf outside and I
laughed at her. I laughed so hard. I was like, no,
there's not and I was like, what's wrong with you?
And I was like, you're just trying to scare me?
And then I looked at her and realized like she
wasn't playing around. She was still crying, she was still shaking,
she had a lot of tears. And I asked her.
I was like, what do you mean there's a werewolf outside.
She's like, there's a really big brown werewolf outside by
the dumpsters. And she's like, I saw it before, but
I didn't really know. I saw it during daytime when
I was going catching the bus in the morning. And
she's like, I just didn't tell you because I just
really didn't know. So I told her. I said I'm
going to go out and look. And she started really
crying then, and she was grabbing me saying please don't
go out there, like please, it will get you. And
I told her no, I want to go see. I said,
we'll be fine. Nobody can get into the doors. So
she decided to come with me, and she was like
clinging onto my shirt and right behind me. So we
walked out of her door and we walked down the
steps to the first floor to that door that you
the buzz and when we're standing at that door, it's
well lit, like by now the lamp post lights were on,
so they had come on. And when you're standing at
the door looking at the parking lot, you have to
look just a little to the left and you'll see
it was a concrete wall like that went kind of
halfway around, if that makes sense, and two big dumpsters,
like the large dumpsters. So when I looked over to
the left, what I saw at first was it was
walking on all four and it was it just like
blew my mind a little bit. I was trying to
process what I was seeing because it was so big.
When it was walking on all four I was looking
at the back of it, and the back was like
so it was it was like hot almost. It was
so high up towards the dumpster. And then I started
really like looking at it, and it's walking around the dumpster.
And when it had come back around, it was back
bright in front of us, like where you could see everything.
It it like put its hands up on the dumpster
and it literally it didn't pull itself up at all.
It's like it just stood right up with it. I
didn't hear anything. I don't know. I was brilliant shock.
So we both watched. It was her first time to
seeing it stand up. It stood straight up. Its arms
were like really long, and I noticed at first that
it had hands, not dog palls. It had hands, and
it had grabbed onto the dumpster. You could see nails
it had. Its ears were kind of on the top
of its head. This one, this one was very mangy looking.
It looked sick. It had It looked really skinny, It
looked older, It looked dirty. It was missing a lot
of fur. And when it stood up, it started it
was it sounds crazy. It started going through the dumpster.
It started picking up different items, It was throwing it out,
It was making a mess. And I was just thinking, like,
how are other people not seeing this, Like because it
was a very busy apartment complex. People should be coming
home for dinner time and all that, and it just
it started walking around the other dumpster. And it was
way taller too, Like it had no problem looking in
the dumpster to get whatever it was, whatever it was doing,
it had no problem like just standing there looking at
stuff and picking it up. It was making a big mess,
and it started eating different things. It had a tail,
but it wasn't a super long tail. And this one
I didn't the eyeshine. I didn't see it really till
the end because it was so focused looking around. We
could hear some snarling. And this one was like a
real It was like almost like I would say, it
was like a It was definitely a brown one, but
it had other brown It had other colors of brown
in its hair as well. But this one looked really
really really sick. Didn't look right at all, but there
was no red eyes or anything like that. We watched
this thing at least for fifteen minutes. It was just
going through the dumpster. It was opening the bags. It
was taking out whatever it liked and whatever it didn't like.
It seemed like it would get really agitated. It was
just throwing stuff, munching on stuff. It was very focused
on both of the dumpsters. But at the very end,
I want to make sure I'm not leaving any details out,
Like I saw, we saw everything. Front arms were definitely
a lot longer than the back you could see, and
it walked. It was it had dog legs. It didn't
have like human feet it had like it was the
haunches and it it almost looked like it's how was
the back, the back, legs, the paws, the feet holding
up something like that. It was just really it was
just really really mind blowing. It wasn't, like I said,
it wasn't a super huge one or anything like that.
It really looked like something was wrong with it. It
looked like it actually wasn't really going to make it
without food. Now, from that area about I would say
fifteen minutes from that area where it was at, there
are mountain ranges out that way, so it could have
possibly come down from there. I'm not really sure because
the area where it was at eating and stuff that
that was just like a normal neighborhood. There was really
not any woods out that way or anything, so I
don't I don't really know where it came from. So
we watched it for a while and then at one
point it had circled back around closer to us, to
the front of the dumpster once again, and then it
just stopped everything it was doing. And the way he
was standing, because it was you could tell it was
a male. You could tell the way he was standing. Uh,
when he looked at us. He stopped everything and he
looked to his right and we were over to his right.
He made eye contact like it knew we were there.
And that's that. That was one of the parts that
really really scared me. And once it stopped doing everything,
and actually it didn't really turn its head because the
way it was standing, but you could see that it
was definitely looking at us. We had the eye contact,
and its eyes were the yellow amber color. They weren't
They weren't like or anything like that. You could see it.
I wouldn't say like it was just a light from
within the eyes, if that makes sense, Like you could
see under the light and stuff. They were definitely amber.
It smiled at us, and that's when my cousin really
she just lost it. It stopped everything, like I said,
and it just smiled right at us, and we were
just kind of stuck there for a minute. It felt
like a long time, but it couldn't have been more
than a minute. We were just looking at it. It
was just looking at us, had that smile, and that's
when we decided we're going back inside. And that's when
we just went into her mom's walking closet, and that's
where we stayed for the entire night. After that, I
didn't go over there anymore, and she came back over
to actually live with us for a while. And then
I would say the third Okay, so the third encounter,
this goes on for a span of ten years, so
I would say it would be in twenty twelve, I
moved into a house that was five minutes driving the
opposite way of my first encounter where I grew up
in my childhood house five minutes. I ended up moving
after my accident to that house, and it was six
hundred acres of literally nothing but fields, woods, creeks. It
had everything, which was really awesome, and your neighbor like
we had one neighbor that was kind of close, but
all the other neighbors they were like two more football
fields away from Like, there was nobody out there except
for those neighbors, which were super far away anyway, and
pretty much everybody out there they were a little bit older.
They were older. It was normal to see people walking
around with shotguns or guns, but we usually saw them
with shotguns. There was a farmer that had he was
in the back of our house. He had a huge
form of a angus beef cows. So me and my
kids move in. Now my kids are they're they're way
younger at this time. They're they're not grown. We move
into that house and in our backyard we would have
deer all the time. Occasionally a bear would pass through.
We had owls. We had so many coyotes, coyotes that
were so bad and so used to people that they
would come right in my driveway. They didn't care who
was out there. It got to the point we we
almost got attacked by them a couple of times. They
were there was just a lot of them out there,
and they were really bad, very aggressive. That's why most
of the neighbors always had guns. I never had a gun.
I still don't. I just it was just me and
the kids. So let's see, so we're there was like
I said, owls, turkey, turkey, we're in our backyard. We
had everything. Everything was right there in the backyard. It
was awesome. So once we moved out there, we all
started noticing little by little that we would see eyes
shine and that's the thing we knew. We loved taking
our spotlights and we'd walk around these fields and it
would take us a long time. Six hundred acres is
pretty big. We would pick our favorite areas. We had
names for the areas. We would take our spotlights. We
would all go walking, and we like to go spot
the deer. When the farmer would cut his hay, he'd
make the hay bales. We would actually, I know you're
not supposed to, but we go climb them and we
would get to the top and we like to sit
up there and wait for it to get dark and
we would try to check out the coyotes and the
deer and see all this stuff. Like it was just
a great place to live. That's what we all thought.
It was awesome there. So as time started going on,
we started hearing. The coyotes would go super super crazy.
We used to go outside, right we'd only open my
door and just step out and record the coyotes because
they were so close. It was so terrifying hearing that
we would record them. But you could hear. We started noticing.
We started hearing. It would be at nighttime, like kind
of it just depended like it would be late because
sometimes I had I have insomnia, so I would go
outside and sit out there. The stars were beautiful. It
was just really nice to be there. We would hear
cows just being you It just sounded to us it
sounded like they were just being slaughtered, like you would
hear sometimes a calf screaming, or sometimes you would actually
hear like a cow screaming, and we would think you
wouldn't hear now at that time, you would hear the
coyotes sometimes, but when that screaming with the cows was
going on, you wouldn't hear really anything but the cows.
So we started all talking to each other like what
the heck, you know, what what could that be? You know,
could coyotes really take down like huge the beef angus?
Like they are big cows? I get a calf. Yeah.
But so we would have our big bonfires pretty much
every night. It was just the best place to live.
And that's when we really started noticing. We would have
packs of coyotes. Uh, they would start really acting up
and then you could hear something else in with them,
and we just really weren't sure because at that time,
like I said, I still did not know dog Man
none of that. We like we knew about aliens and
crawlers and stuff like that. My kids they were all
end it. They'd say the rake is out here and
stuff like there. There wasn't, but we ended up having
a lot of encounters with some other things living out
in that area. So the one night we were out
there and we had noticed, uh, we had noticed some
eye shine. We were looking for it, and but this
these were different. These were bigger eyes. Uh. The way
that the eyes were set looked just a lot different
because of deer deer to the side, predators are like forward.
They It still had the eye shine that we would see.
It was like the amber. It was an amber color
that we would see and you would hear sometimes roaring
like a roar. It was really terrifying. So one night,
I'm already in bed, but I was still I was
still kind of awake. I was waiting for my daughter
at the time, she was a teenager. She was coming in.
It was the weekend, coming in after hanging out with friends.
And when I finally heard her. Because I had dogs,
I had really big dogs. I had them for my protection.
I had a pit bull, I had her son. He
was a pit bull and German Shepherd and a Rottmeiler mix.
So I had big dogs. They My daughter came in
and the way she came in. She My bedroom faced
the kitchen, which also faced French doors. In the actual
door that was the only way out of the house.
She had come in. I heard her just literally slam
the front door, lock it, and she left the light
on in the kitchen everything. She came straight to my
room and she just reached out and touched me. We
didn't talk. She reached out and touched me, and I
could literally feel her fear. I could feel it. It
was something not right. When she touched me. Her eyes
were huge, and I sat up really close to her
and I put my finger over my lips, and she knew,
not we're not making a sound, We're not doing anything.
I padded the bed and I told her, you know,
she knew to get in the bed. And we just
waited for a minute and our hearts were pounding. That's
the crazy thing. My dogs would bark if they ever
heard anything they did not like the coyotes. Like our
dogs were really trained, they were they would alert us.
These dogs didn't make a sound that night. They seemed
absolutely terrified. Their heads were turning. Now in my bedroom
at that time, it was a huge, huge window. It
went from the ceiling to the floor. It was a
big window, and that's when you could just my hair
is standing right now up on my arms, just talking
about this. But once she got in bed with me,
we weren't talking. We were just waiting. You could just
literally literally I could feel my heart pounding. I could
hear my heart pounding, and I just knew that something
was not right. I knew that she was terrified. I
could feel her fear. And it's like I felt another
fear that I never felt before, and it was from
it was coming definitely from outside, like it was something
that my instinct knew. You're not going to say anything,
like you're barely even going to breathe. You need to
just quiet your heart and you need to just stay quiet.
And that's what we did for a long time. But
now my neighbors they lived above me in this house,
because I was in the bottom part of the house.
My neighbors lived above me. And as we're laying there
just terrified, she was shaking. I was I couldn't even move.
You could hear this loud. It was the loudest roar
ever like it was. It was so terrifying. And then
after that roar, it got quiet for a second and
you could hear it was actually over by that big window.
Thank God, thank god that I had my long thick drapes.
I had the window covered. You could literally feel that
whatever was there was right behind those curtains. And I
was so close to that window, being in that bed.
She was on the other side of me. It was.
It was the craziest fear and feeling ever, Like I was.
We were both hooked on just looking at that window,
and I'm thinking, what if, what if whatever's out there
comes through that window? Like nothing stopping any of this.
So we were just still quiet, and then it started
doing this really weird. It started growling. It did this
other weird like this. This it was like a It
was a different kind of roar, but not a super
super loud one, but loud enough. But it was doing
a lot of breathing like when a horse. It reminded
me of like a horse when a horse like does that.
It did that, and you could just hear a lot
of growling. And I couldn't tell you how long we
laid there for. I don't know, I honestly, I just
couldn't tell you. Finally, we didn't hear anything anymore, and
she came a lot closer. My daughter moved a lot
closer to me, and she whispered to me. She said,
when I got dropped off at the top of the hill,
because our driveway it was pretty much a hill, Like
I said, out there, people would just there's nowhere anybody
could park to like sneak up on you. It's just
open like it's fields, there's woods like you can see everywhere.
So most of the time, like our friends, when the
kids would get dropped off, they would just quick turn
around at my neighbor's house because he had like a
big barn over there. They quick turn around, drive back up,
and drop all the teenagers off at the top of
my driveway just to walk down. So that's what she did.
And she said once the car had pulled off, she
heard the roaring like that, and she said, sound it
was a scream though. She said there was a scream,
And I said, well, what did the scream sound like?
And was it high pitch? She's like, Mom, it sounded
it was like a guy trying to do a scream,
if that makes sense, like a high pitch scream. But
it was a weird scream. And she said that she
could hear the footsteps because we had rocks all over
that was our driveway. There was a lot of gravel
out there too. The fields there was a lot of
dirt and stones, but our driveway was all stones. And
she said she heard she heard like footsteps following her
on the stones, and that's why she just flew in
the house. She said that she could feel the fear.
She doesn't know what it was, and that's why she
just said, I felt like I couldn't even lock the
door fast enough. She's like, I really thought whatever it
was was already going to have me, And so I
just told her to be quiet again, and I told
her maybe, you know, let's just say some prayers and stuff.
And eventually we did fall as and the next day
we woke up there was actually we went outside because
I wanted to see there was scratch marks on the
one side of our door, a bunch of scratch marks.
Now we didn't hear anything scratching on the door, so
I don't really know, but it was definitely scratch marks,
bigger scratch marks. They were on the door and the
one part of like the side of the door, but
it was it was wood there, so it was like
the wood scratched out. So, now, like I said, we
lived on this property for ten years. There was a
bunch of encounters. There was a UFO sighting. Uh, because
we lived actually really close to oh there's a military
base out there for Indian Town Gap, so we lived
right near there, and you would see like their helicopters
sometimes come in and fly above our fields and do
like work on the lines out there and stuff. But
out that out that way in our fields where we lived,
people have been calling into the news that evening. It
wasn't dark yet at that time it was. It was
going towards sunset. People were calling in. People were calling
nine one one in the news for a sighting of
a UFO and that was actually seen right above the
area where where where we lived. We had also seen
a crawler one time as well up on this property.
So and with a bunch of dog man the reason
I left. So all right, we get to the next encounter.
So we decide that we're going to go over. Now,
once you went to the top of our driveway, across
the street would be a whole another It was acres
of fields and forest we could go to. Now we
would cross it in there was a path. It was
always cut. We always kept the grass cut and you
would walk past the soy fields and once you cut
up to the top toier right, there would always be
bushes of mulberries and raspberries which we would always pick.
But once you're walking up, to the right is the
raspberries and foreign bushes of the mulberry blackberries, and to
the left would be the soy field. Sometimes it depends
on what season it is for how tall it would be.
But we would walk up to the top of that,
and once you got to the top of that, you
were looking at a very old horse track. It used
to be a racetrack. You could see it still had
all the dirt, but there was no stables. There was
no barn or anything like that. Right there, it was
just a track. And around in the in the middle
of the track it was a huge just a field.
That's where we would go catch monarchs and the monarch
caterpillars and stuff like that. Now, when you followed the
track and you went to the left, which we always
went to because it took you into a part of
the woods, it was covered half the track was woods.
So when you're walking through that track, you enter, the
trees are all around you. We made a fort back there.
It was one of our camps that we made. We
called it Camp Serenity. It was just really awesome over there.
You could see baby fawns. Every time we went over there.
You would see baby owls and just owls in general
right at that fore area. So one day we were
back there at Camp Serenity and we were finishing up
to head back, So we're pretty far from the house.
Like I said, it was all different areas of the
six hundred acres that we had access to, and we
all had different areas named for each place that we
would go. So we were walking back from the track
and we were just about at the top of where
you enter the fields, the soy fields and then the
raspberries and blackberries. But that evening we could hear the coyotes.
They were off in the soy fields and they were
actually they were getting pretty close and they were trying
to sneak up on us. So we kept moving and
as we entered where we had to pass the bushes,
the thorn bushes, the raspberries and blackberries, and there was
trees too, so like you couldn't really see and couldn't
go through there because it was thorns. You're gonna get
really hurt. As soon as we entered right there, it
was dark, I'd say maybe it was about ten o'clock
at night. It was. It was me and my two kids.
We had our spotlight and I think we had a
machete with us at the time. But as soon as
we hit the top of that track and we had
entered into the path where the thorns and the soyfield were,
this whole entire when I say a bush like it
was taller than us, like way taller than us, the
whole bush started shaking violently, and we knew because deer
used to jump out. Deer have accidentally jumped out while
we've been, you know, over in that area and ran
right into us. Before There's just so many deer, so
we thought a deer at first, and we're like, wait,
a deer's not going to shake anything. So my kid
looked at me and I could tell he was already scared.
He took he took the spotlight and he was gone.
I mean he left. He was so fast we could
see the light way over across. Once you crossed through
that field, we know Our house was right under that
one street light, so he already he was gone, so
as me and my daughter. And as soon as I
started going past the bush, there was no other really
way to go. We couldn't cut through the soy fields
because the coyotes were in there, so we just kept
on the path and that's when the bushes started shaking again,
and that's when it did this. Whatever was in there
did this. Now, I've been around deer. I've heard them,
you know, I've seen the book. I saw how how
they can act. I heard them, like, do that this.
It did that sound. It did it like the horse,
but this was way louder than a deer could make
or a horse. A horse wasn't in the bush. It
did that sound. And from that accident that I had,
I cannot run. I cannot run at all. I can
only walk, and I use canes for that anyway, So
there's no I can't run, so I just keep walking
with my daughter. We did make it home in time,
and my son was already there waiting, and he was
like panicking. He's like, I'm never going out after that again.
I'm never doing that. And every day after that he
would set he was dead set. He would set his
alarm it would be at least ten to fifteen minutes
before sunset, and he would make sure we would all
be in, all of us. He didn't want any of
us out. So now we got a little bit older,
and that's when he started getting into YouTube. And he
was the one who said, you know, you really need
to listen to YouTube, mom, because out here where we live,
he's like that stuff. And man, it's on YouTube, mom,
this is the stuff that's going on. This is the
stuff right here. And so that's when I actually was
sitting out in the yard at a bonfire, the woods
all around me listening. That's when I started listening to
your show. And that's when my panics set in. My everything,
the fear set in. I couldn't. I couldn't even That's
how I felt trapped in that house. I had to
go inside because everything was hitting me that Oh my goodness,
it's a dog man. This is what it's called like this,
like is this really real? So many other people have
seen him, there's way more. So I go inside and
then I'm making sure I'm listening to things. I always
made sure no matter what, anyway, I kept all the
curtains drawn. I did not answer, like if there was
any kind of tapping, which we would hear that now
and then we would hear it. I never looked out
my windows I lived in such it felt like I
was trapped in that house, and I was like paralyzed.
So were my kids. Even friends that came over they
saw things too as well. They felt the same way
my dogs. They would alert whenever my dogs would act weird,
like I didn't care. I wouldn't take them out once
it got dark. I would not. I didn't care if
they went to the bathroom in the house. I was
not going out there. So we'll say it's twenty seventeen eighteen.
Now I have the name for it. I still live,
I still live in that same area. So I'm thinking like,
oh my goodness. You know, I was telling my kids,
because my kids, because now they're like sixteen, seventeen eighteen,
they're getting older, We're like, oh my gosh, all that
stuff that's been going on all these years, like it
has to be this because we would hear the cows.
Speaker 2: This was.
Speaker 1: It went on quite frequently, and I always wanted to
go ask the farmer, but he was We had caught
him multiple times. Like now that I think back on it,
it's like, now it does make sense. We would see
him out in broad daylight. He would be laying down
in this one area of the field and he would
it almost looked like to me because I don't I mean,
I know some guns, I'm not a gun expert or
anything like that, but he would have it on this
It looked like a like like an esh like I
don't want to say AK forty seven, but the long
black guns and he had it on a tripod. It
was like he was looking for something or waiting for
something and he had this whole setup. It wasn't deer season,
like it wasn't time to hunt, so I know he
wasn't hunting. I always wanted to ask him about, like, hey,
have you lost any cattle? Like, but I never could.
He was just very standoff as she was not very nice.
He was just he was a weird character. So we
kind of just left him alone. But we would go
down to the creek a lot and his cows would
get out. You would find cow parts at times, like
where they were shredded or ripped apart by whatever. You
could smell it. We had multiple multiple times where things were, uh,
tapping on the windows, tapping on the windows. Uh. We
had multiple times where there was a one time I
had walked across from my neighbors I was coming back home.
I went to help him. He was a little bit older,
and my kids were already out. Their friends were over
all the kids came to my house because they loved
the land and everything. But my kids started yelling because
I was walking and there's the field right there to
my one side, excuse me, and they started yelling that
there was something behind me. But it was crawling on
the ground and it looked like a really huge coyote.
And I remember turning around and I remember just seeing
the eye shine because it was kind of I couldn't
really see it from where I was walking from, but
you could definitely see the eye shine. My heart started pounding,
and I got back to my house with no incident,
but they were screaming like they were like they were
telling me to run, knowing I can't, though. They were
just very excited over what they were seeing. They said
it was crawling like on its belly. I'm really sorry
about coffee, I said my throat. But there was other
times where you would see multiple, multiple eyes. Over in
the tree lines, you would find lots, oh, we would
find deer and my son, I don't know, my son
loved it, but we would find deer right in the
backyard that were dead, but their necks had been snapped,
like their legs weren't broken, they weren't hit by cars.
There was no bleeding or injuries. You could see. You
could literally see the necks were like twisted and it
was and we found them. We found them sometimes. But
the one that really messed us up was like the
one in it. I would say it was winter, but
we just couldn't understand how the deer died like its
neck was just twisted around. It was just literally twisted.
And my son actually kept that deer head. But that's
a whole different story. But we would find lots of
things torn apart. We would find uh, raccoons torn apart.
We would find rabbits torn apart. You would see the
bushes shaking sometimes and movement growling. So let's see, by
this time, we've had so many different things going on,
not just with dog Man, because we did end up
seeing the shadow figures of them, and it was more
than one and that's when I just was like, I
can't deal with this. I had asked my neighbors too, like, hey,
do you guys, have you ever heard that screaming or yelling?
Have you ever heard of that howling the growling? And
my neighbors always said no, And it made no sense
to me at times, you know, when people are sleeping,
how do they not here hear this stuff? But it
was really happening, So I would say we decided it
was literally as COVID was hitting. Now by this time,
I already knew what dog Man was. Mind blown, Like
I said that there was packed to them now that
there was, that they were in every state, like it
was just more than one, like it just it was.
My mind was really blown. So right as covids hitting,
we move from Dauphin County to Cumberland County and we
ended up moving out towards like Shippensburg. But we were
where we moved, we were so close. We were like
the back end butted up to It's called Moschaux State Forest.
It is eighty five thousand acres of just gorgeous, gorgeous,
gorgeous forest, creeks, there's lakes out there. This is my
most favorite place to go. It has so many trails,
It has the awesome fishing. You can take your boats
out there, kayaks, whatever. You can even swim at some
of them. But like I said, it's eighty five thousand
acres and I know that was one hundred and twenty
three miles. There's still trails that we haven't even gone
on yet. Now, this place, michow State Forest, is known
very well. When you it depends which trail or what
part that you pull into, you will see signs posted
up for Bigfoot. And I used to laugh. I used
to be like Bigfoot, like wow, like really, But researchers
do go out in these woods, and when you listen
to YouTube, you will actually hear a lot of different
stories coming out of Micheau State Forest for dog Man.
So we started. I had no clue too, I had
no idea. And on the other side of us is
the Tuscarora Mountains, and I want to say, I think
they're I think they're ninety or ninety five thousand acres.
So we kind of set between two mountain ranges as
well as the Appalachian Trail is on there. I didn't
know until I researched it and started listening to stories,
and we would talk to hunters because we go when
we go hiking all the time, like when I'm talking,
we hike. We go out hiking where you lose your
phone reception where you should probably have like a satellite
phone or anything like we don't, but I mean we should.
But we go far far out where sometimes you don't
see anybody. There's horse trails out there, so some people
do ride their horses. There's hunting, you can ride certain
areas of your four wheelers and stuff like that. But
we ended up moving into we left a hot spot
from the old house and actually moved into a bigger
hot spot, which I had no idea, And so we
started going out into the woods and doing our hikes
and our fishing. And that's when things really got a
lot more weird for me. So where we had lived
then you would you would get a really weird vibe
at night. And at this place where we lived when
we had moved in, I kept seeing it. There was
a trailer park behind us. We didn't live in the
trailer park, but there was a trailer park behind us.
There would be all these cats that would just come
over to hang out in my backyard, which I love animals.
So I was like, all right, Well, I ended up
with thirty cats that I had a cat colony. I
got them all fixed, chipped, neutrt and actually I got
all of them homes. But anyway, so I started like
watching those cats like I would count. I'd be like,
all right, because we would hear this weird howling. We
would hear weird howling. It didn't sound like a dog.
It was just this really weird howling. And I think
I was on just super high alert, knowing like oh
my goodness, like there's dog men. And so some of
the cats started disappearing, and that had me on edge.
And there was there's a creek that ran through there too,
and I had like some of the best fishing. A
lot of people try to go to that creek to fish.
There lots of trout and stuff like that. But I
was outside because I did smoke at that time. I
would go outside and sit on my back porch and
the cats would come up to me, you know. I'd
hang out with the cats, and the woods were right there, literally,
the tree line was right there. I heard the loudest
howl like it it vibrated. It vibrated like my body
and my chest, and I knew, I knew. I was like,
no way. I ran in the house, locked the door.
My kids at that time, they kept saying like they'd
be like, calm down, You're you're always you're always freaking
out because now you know you're stuck on YouTube and
you know about dog Man. And we had our encounters
like you're just always scared about it and just calm
because I would. I would seal the windows, like I
would make sure that the curtains were if I had
to pin them with like tax I would. I would
not ever the the curtains had to be a certain
way for me to sleep at night. I couldn't deal with.
I wouldn't take the dogs out. I was like it
was getting really bad. But that's when we started noticing
like some of the cats were not there anymore, which okay, yeah,
one or two here it happened like I mean that
they live outside, but it was we were going through
some cats there. I just ended up having to save
thirty of them. There was a a whole bunch more.
But so we started going. We would pick spots in
Maschau State Forest and we like to always we like
to pick like the trails where no one's going to
be at Like we like to go out there and
like I said, no guns or anything. And we were
walking around this one reservoir and we started noticing these
really weird footprints. I actually, I think I do have
the pictures. They're just in my other phone. Some really
weird footprints. The tracks. They didn't look right. They were big.
You could see the claw marks in them actually, and
that that's what stuck out to me. And there was two,
there wasn't four. So we started hiking these trails and
that's when we would well, I would notice the would
be we would see shadows. This was always during daytime.
This is that's what really messed me up to because
most of the encounters happened to me after the after
twenty twenty, all through the daylight hours. Like they were
not at night, they were daytime. So we started noticing
shadows and stuff. And it would just certain areas you
would get weird vibes and it was cool. We would
we would you know, you'd find actually some bigfoot structures
out there, like people would take pictures. You might run
into another family with kids. On the trail they're going
in some of the structure. So it was a really
cool place. But things started changing, and when we were
coming back from certain parts of my show, it was weird.
It would be towards evening. Now out in that area,
there was a lot of farmland besides those woods. Besides
a lot of woods and mountains there, there was a
lot of farmland. There was a lot of cows, there
was a lot of horses, cornfields. So we would always
pass the same area, and you it was always right
when sunset. It was just when it's getting dark. You
would see groups of in this area that they didn't
have cows there, it was just a cornfield. And then
back there they had their house. And then there was
a couple of trees that and then the trees got
thicker and it went into part of the tusc Aurora
State Park. So these things were coming down from that mountain,
and I'm telling you, they moved so fast it was
almost like a blur. We would see five to six,
sometimes eight, and there was always a bigger one and
it kind of looked at that time of day because
they were all dark, it looked almost like like buffaloes,
like it was crazy, but we don't have buffaloes out here,
like not in that area. And you would see them
come out of the tree line and then they would
dark as it was the blur. You could see them
from a couple seconds I'd say maybe five maybe up
to five six seconds the way that they came out,
and then they would hit and go directly into the
cornfields and you would see the stalks moving, but that's
all and you could see like because we would be driving,
we would watch it and it's almost like they were
following us, depending like which way, but you could see
the stalks in the top of the corn moving, and
then you know, we would just make it home and
we would talk about it.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: We had a couple other things go on. We would
pick different trails, like I said at my show, because
they're at Michau. The terrain changes. I mean, it's absolutely gorgeous.
You can go from just the trees to like red
settings with the leaves and all, and then instantly nothing
but pine trees, like, oh my gosh, and the pine
trees are like my favorite. But it was always changing,
just depending where you wanted to go. So the one
day we decided to go out. It was me and
some family members. We decided to go out to this
other reservoir and go fishing because it was like a
super hot spot, kind of near another army depot, but
it was in the woods. The cool thing too, you
would always see body eagles at this place. So you
had to the only way to get to this place.
Once you got to the top in the wood, you're
in the woods, you have to go down this steep.
It's all rocks road. There's if you went over the
side too far, you're going off like basically the side
of the mountain there, like you're just going to go
straight down. So you have to go straight down on
these rocks, follow a path all the way down and
then it opens up to I wouldn't say a huge
parking lot, but a parking lot. They have it for.
You pull right down and it's a parking lot they
have for handicap and then regular. But when you pull
down to the right, when you look out, it is
nothing but this huge, huge reservoir. Once you park, you're
looking when you get out of your car, there's the
reservoir in front of you. You can't really walk if
you go across the parking lot because there's woods there,
but it's that part of the area where it's steep,
like if your car went over, so you really can't
walk on that side at all, like you have to
get in your boat, which a lot of people do
or whatever. We went to the left. Our family member
actually brought his boat and we decided to get in
that and that's when we had started a chat and
we were like, uh he was He was kind of
teasing me. He was like, you know, you can't go
that far over there, because if you do, you're going
to go in the missing four one one. And I
would laugh and he would laugh because they would always
always tease me about dog Man. And he was like,
what we should do right now if dog Man came
down from the mountain and we're out here in the boat.
I said, well, I laughed. I said, it doesn't really.
We can't really do too much because dog Man can
swim and this isn't that deep. And we would just
laugh about it. So we had a good day that day,
got the boat out, went home. A couple of days later,
we went back to the same spot, me and two
Philly members, so we pooled down park in that parking
lot now they decided right there is the boat launch too.
It's like right in the front, so it's like you
can put your boat in there. You can walk over
to the right a little but like I said, you
can't really go. You could step a little bit into
the woods, but then you can't go any further because
it's so steep or it's water. I decided to go
to the left. There is a trail there and when
you enter to the right of me, literally right by
my feet, it was just like maybe a two foot path.
There's a little bit of grass right there. Literally to
the right of me is nothing but water. Like it
was it was just open water. You could see like
you could catch frogs and turtles and stuff like that.
Literally right there to feet now to the left of me.
Once I entered a little bit to the left of me,
it starts that steep, steep, steep I was people called
a mountain, mountain hill whatever. It was directly behind me,
directly behind me, and I used to I walked in
just a little bit, and this was about two thirty
in the afternoon, and I know it was October. For
some reason, we just we wanted to go fishing. We
didn't care if we were going to catch anything. It
was just such a nice day like So, I had
my fishing stuff with me, I had my fishing rod.
I could see my family members. I could see they
were carrying on laft and they were having a good time.
They were not far from me. I could see the car.
I already had anxiety thinking about just dog man. I
always did when I was outside, especially when we would
be out as far as we were. So I was
already on my on my stuff. I was already, it
was already in my head. I was already ready. So
I set up my stuff. I had my little chair
that just folds right out. It clips onto your backpack
or whatever. Had my backpack. Walked. I only walked i'd say,
maybe ten feet into the woods on that trail, and
then I set up because I was trying to do
cat fishing and try and get some bass. I don't know,
I was just fishing, and so I cast my line
and I was fishing for a couple of minutes. I
had I think I actually had my phone playing. I
think I was listening to music, but it wasn't real high.
I didn't have it up high so I could hear
I always had to hear things behind me because I
know if it goes silent, like, I know all that,
so I would always be on alert for that. So
I'm fishing, I hear my family members laughing, I see
them skipping rocks. I'm eating some snacks, and i'd say maybe,
I would say maybe within ten minutes after already setting
up and stuff and just hanging out starting my fishing,
that's when behind me I heard like leaves. It was
behind me. It was far back, like up up the hill,
and I thought, you know, it could be squirrels, you know,
it was it was daytime, still squirrels. They liked to
play around in the leaves. It was full, so I
didn't think really anything of it. So I'm continuing fishing,
and that's when it was a big It was a
big dead log that was I don't want to say thrown,
maybe it was maybe rolled is the better word. It
started it rolled down. It was a really big i'd
say maybe seven eight foot long, but it wasn't like
a super super huge huge log, but log. It was
still a log. It came rolling down really fast down
the hill right behind me, like just a few feet
from me. So I was like, what the heck. I
was like, there's no way that something just rolled down
the hill when this is already dead. Like, so I
stopped everything and I turned around and I'm looking. I'm scanning.
I'm trying to see I know how to look for deer,
I know how to look for that stuff. So I'm
looking for movement or something that's sticking out that's not right.
And that's actually when I see something. And it was
I would say, maybe I would say a little bit
less than a football field away from me. It was
up It was up the hill the mountain. But you
could see because you could see it because there wasn't
that many leaves really left on any of the trees
like that. There wasn't that many. And this was black
and it stuck out. That's what That's what caught my eye,
the blackness of it. This one was actually standing on
two feet already. This one was standing partially well, it
was trying to be. It was trying to uh be
behind a tree, but I mean it was a little
too big for that. You I could see it, but
it was kind of kind of standing with like half
of itself behind the tree. It was holding onto the
tree with both hands already standing, like I said, But
this one, I was looking at it and everything in mey.
I had clicked my phone to stop the music. I
was not thinking about at all, taking a picture, trying
to get a video. I wasn't thinking any of that.
I wanted to hear, and I was just frozen. I
was just looking and it was looking directly at me.
This one, this one started, that's when it That's when
it came out a little bit more from behind the tree,
and it put its one arm down and it had
the other arm around the tree. This one was it
started coming down the hill, but it wasn't in an
aggressive manner or anything. It did get somewhat closer where
I could really see. I could see it a lot better.
So I was looking at it and it was looking
at me. This one was actually really really pretty. It
was it had very sleek. It wasn't it didn't have
shaggy hair. It was black, I mean black black, black,
like blacker than black. It's heur looked really maintained. It
looked really shiny and beautiful. Very short. This one you
could tell, you know how like when you look at
a dog, you can tell, all right, that's a younger dog.
That's that's like a puppy. You know, this is an
older dog. That's an old dog for sure. Now, that
first one that I had seen, that one was definitely
an older one. This one, this one had to be
to me, if I would have to guess, I would
say definitely like a teenager and early like a teenager.
This one was young. You could tell in its face
it was young. You could just I don't know, there's
just something about it that you could just see and
tell it is definitely young. And it didn't. Its ears
were up, it had the sleek hair, like I said,
it was on two legs. It had hands, it had
like the raccoon fingers, or sometimes I raccoon fingers squirrel fingers,
because I've had squirrels. If you look at their their
fingers fingers like that, you could see the claws. This
one was definitely healthy. It just looked absolutely beautiful. I
wasn't scared at this point, just I mean a little bit.
I was, but I was more curious because it looked
young to me. I wasn't really thinking, I guess clearly.
So I'm looking at it, and its eyes were this
this yellow like this piercing yellow. It was so beautiful.
The ears were up, the arms were longer than the
like the back legs they had like hung down by
its sneeze. Once it had come out, it did take
a couple of steps down towards me, and that's when
things kind of changed. Now it put its ears back.
And when it did that, because it was looking at me,
it was more curious at first, and I was just
kind of looking at it. But then it changed a
little bit. It put its ears back, and that's that's
the part that scared me. Once the ears went back,
because I was thinking, like, dogs do that, you know
my dogs do that. Sometimes that's not a good sign.
And then it started to really come out down the mountain.
It started going very very fast and aggressed like it
was coming fast now, not like the kind where you
see like the quick blur like there, I know they
can go really fast. This one was more like picking
up its pace, letting me know, like I'm coming down there,
because I know it definitely could have been down there
way before you know, I even made a move. But
it started coming down a little bit. To me, it
seemed aggressive, like faster, like I felt like, all right,
you gotta go. You shouldn't be standing here. So I
literally grab my rod. I just ran with it, like
I know that the line was still out there, like
I don't. I don't know. I wasn't thinking about that,
and I started yelling for the other ones, like to
come on, to come on. Like I said, I never
left that car too far because my fear of this
obvious of not just that, but just I don't know,
I was going through like some kind of cryptid phase
or something. I was pretty much freaked out over everything.
So I'm yelling for them. They know something is definitely
definitely not right. So the car is not far from
me at all. I get out to the car. They're
already getting in the car. I threw my backpack in
and I had shut I guess at the time, I
wasn't really even thinking. I didn't remember. I remember. I
got in and I just took like the handle and
stuff of my rod. That's the part that came in
with me. And I ended up shutting the car door
on the rod, breaking the rod, which it was whatever.
I didn't care at the time. I wasn't thinking. So
you had to back up, and you had to go
back up that there was only one way in and
one way out that road. So before the cars started,
we're starting to move. Now we still you can't speed
out of there. There's no way you have to. You
have to turn the car around and get out of there.
This thing comes all the way down to the tree
line and literally comes, like I would say, just a
foot out of the tree line. You could see it
clear as day, like it was stepping out of its surroundings.
And it was still on the two legs. I never
saw it on on four legs. I saw it only
on two legs. It came out and it just stood
there looking at all of us. And that's when the
family members I was with their like, oh my god.
Every they were saying bad words, all of us were.
They were like, oh my god, you were right you like,
I'm never going to make fun of you ever again.
I said let's just go, like, just let's get out
of here. And they were like, is it coming? Is
it coming? And I was like, I don't know. I
was like, it's just standing there. They're looking at it.
We're trying to get the car out of there. I'm
in the back seat, and so we start out of
there and the front two path, like the driver and
the passenger. They keep saying like, oh my gosh, like
like we knew, but we never saw, like we thought
you were just playing around and we're so sorry we
made fun of you. We'll never make fun of you again.
And so we get out of there and it just
watches us leave. It literally just stood there. It had
its arms to its side, not in front of it,
but it was like kind of like it was just
watching us, like you maybe I don't know, it's just
I don't know, like letting us know, like hey, I
saw all of you, you saw me. And we left there.
So once we got back, that's when everybody really started
freaking out because they're like, oh, we live way too
close to this, Like you know, we talked to the
trash man and the trash maan it said, uh, he's
which it's true. There's actually I've heard it. There's stories
out from where we lived there in Shippensburg, stories out
of there from the trash the trash pickup guy that
because I said there's there's a lot of farmland and stuff,
he thought that he was about to encounter a huge cow.
He thought a cow was out in the middle of
the road it happened to be. Now, the ones I've
seen have not been have not looked like this. He saw.
He thought it was a cow. It ended up looking
to him like a huge hyhena like creature. He was
absolutely terrified. But anyway, all the ones we saw, I
want to say, they were more wolf like. They were
more wolf like the first one I see, the second
one that I saw when it was at the Dompster,
since that one looked so scraggly in the way it's
ears where and these ears were big. All of them
had toughs. I couldn't see the first one though the
first one was too dark. I only seen the eyes,
the nose, and the teeth and stuff. Never saw the ears.
But all the other ones had the toughs, even that
really shiny, young black one, the one that that I
just had the encounter with, but his hair was just
really short. They they all looked besides the sick one.
That one kind of reminded me of the one from
like the Howling. How they looked like just I don't
know their hair or something about their ears, but all
the rest looked more wolf like, but their teeth. All
of them had these weird teeth, Like their teeth weren't
like normal dogs anytime, even the even the really nice
black one that I was looking at, it seems like
they have so so many maybe more teeth that some
protrude out of their mouth, Like it's not like a
normal dog at all. It's not like a normal wolf.
They're protruding. And the way that uh, the top and
the bottom, they all looked sharp every time, like the
ones that I could see, it just didn't look like
a normal dog or wolf's teeth. But so once we
got back, everybody really started freaking out. Like I said,
and my family member said, I can't do this. I'm
not doing this. I'm moving out. They moved out a
month later, back to our old county where we first
lived with the Encounters, but in a whole nother area.
But they they moved almost forty five minutes away to
get away from what we were going through. I think
that they were actually having some kind I guess, like
the reality of you know, dog man and oh my gosh,
like of course, why would I lie about it? But
for them, I kept saying, like you'll see if you
see one one day, you'll see you'll see how it's different.
You'll see how it would change you. They never made
fun of me again after that, let me tell you.
And like I said, they moved now. So in twenty
twenty two we moved to a whole other house because
it was just time time to get away. I felt
if we moved a little bit further away from Mishow
State Forest, maybe you know, things would would feel better,
get better. We ended up moving. We're still in the
same county, Cumberland County, but now still in between ma
Show State Forest and the Tuscarora State Forest. They're literally
when you walk out of my house, if you look
to the right, boom, right there is Tuscarora. If you
look to the left, it's Mashow State Forest. The mountains,
so I'm literally right in the middle. There's the kid
A Tinny Ridge, there's the Blue Mountains. There's so many
mountain ranges out here, it is. They're so gorgeous. Now
we like to go up to a place called Hawk's Watch,
which is the Tuscarora Mountains. When you walk out of
my house, like I said, when we drive up there,
it takes us not even ten minutes. You go up there.
It wood's a lot of huge boulders. People love to
go up to that area and it's called Hawk's Watch
for a reason. You get up there, there's huge rocks,
it's a big opening. It's absolutely beautiful. All kinds of
different birds seem to come there, hawks, vultures, owls, They
have all kinds of different stuff. Especially it's really cool
in the mornings, are like when it's evening time for sunset.
So that's not far from our home at all. Nora
is Machau State Forest. Our backyard right now, our front
yard is just a normal We live in the country.
Our backyard has woods. There's a well known creek literally
right in our backyard. It is a well well known creek.
It's very popular. It's really good fishing. People tube kayak
all that stuff on it. And that's in our backyard.
So at nighttime here we have raccoons, We have possums.
I think I told Vic how I help out baby
any little baby critter that comes through. Like yesterday we
found a baby pass helped him. We found one of
our skunk skunks injured. Helped that one. We have deer.
We have all kinds of stuff, baldy goals literally we
see them every day. They're in our backyard. We go
fishing in that creek and we catch huge fish all
the time. So right before we moved here, on on
one of our routes. Now, my husband he knows that,
he knows that I believe in dog Man, and I
always would tell him, like because we've been together for
over eight years, but I had told him he knew.
He never judged me or anything. But I was like,
I know it's going to sound crazy, and I told him.
And you know, he doesn't listen to any podcasts. Now
he does because I listened to him to them. So
whatever I'm playing, he'll definitely listen in. And he's caught
on and learned a lot in the past, Like I'll say,
almost four years. So as we're driving from our old
place to our new place, we would notice we'd still
see those those the pack of them seeing those packs
because we had to travel that highway and it's all farmland.
You would see the path like we would see the packs.
It would be glimpses only towards evening, but we would
see that multiple times. So one day we're driving and
this one's daylight and we're on the highway because that's
like the main course to get from how you get
around here, take the highway. We came to a certain
area where it kind of it kind of I don't
know how to describe it. It kind of takes you,
I don't want to say, like it kind of on
a ramp. But it's not a ramp to like get
off of the highway. It's just like a ramp to
kind of veer around. So we're driving and all the
cars start slowing down, and we're like, what the heck's
going on now? Wasn't coming to a complete stop that
We were still moving, just going a little bit slower.
On my side of the car, it looked like it
literally looked like a dog man had gotten hit by
maybe eighteen wheeler. You could see what we saw. It
didn't make sense. And that's another thing that made him
a believer. You could see it was the craziest thing.
It had brown hair. And this one was like super graphic,
but like really really graphic. It was really big. Now,
this had some of the colors like when you say buckskin,
you know, like deer it had for the color like that,
not hair like that. This was very thick, thick hair
like it was. It was weird, but you could see
its face. Its face actually was like half of the
head and face was smashed in. It was so weird.
You could see the teeth, it looked. We just had
a couple seconds to look at it. It was so odd.
The it had like the hump on it, like you
could see real quickly, like because we had to drive by.
But the face, that's the part that stuck out for me.
It was like, like I said, it was still half
crushed and stuff, but you could see half of it.
You could see the teeth didn't look right. You could
see the ears. You definitely see the ears where it
looked like a wolf way bigger. This was way bigger
than a coyote, way bigger than it was bigger than
a deer. But we were going there's no way anybody
could stop. And I was like, we were like, holy crap,
we should have got a picture that like, let's turn around.
There was no way you could turn around. You had
to still drive for a couple miles. So we got
home and I forget what we were figuring out. I
forget how or what we did, but we had gone back.
It was not in the papers. It was not in
the news. This thing literally there was no trace of it.
There was no trace of it at all, because we
wanted to see what it was. We wanted to see, like,
what the heck, how did something jump up There's no ground,
Like it would have to have jumped on that ramp part,
like it would have had to jump like thirty feet
or maybe I don't know, it was the biggest jump,
Like it didn't make sense of where we saw this
thing and that it was dead right there, and how
the heck did it get up here? But when we
went back to look to see because we just had
to know, like it just some my husband kept saying,
oh my gosh, like that was some kind of freaking
He wasn't saying that word, but he was saying, that
just didn't look right. That wasn't a dog, that wasn't
a kyrie. That was like, what the heck was that like?
And I was like, I'm telling you, that could have
been a dog man. But when we did go back,
which was right after that, once we could turn around
and stuff there was like it was cleaned up. There
was no trace of anything. That was like the whole
other thing. And I was like telling him because he
always hears here's the stuff that I listened to. But
I was like, I'm telling you, they probably came out
here and cleaned it up, like there's not a trace
of anything. Like people weren't even stopping. It looked like
people wanted to, but you literally could not stop there.
You would have gotten hurt, you would have got run over.
Just didn't make sense.
Speaker 2: But so.
Speaker 1: We're still near. We like to hike a lot. I
think I said that earlier, but we picked a ten
mile hike for my birthday maybe two years ago. We
do go in the Tuscarora over there's just a little
more rugged. There's a lot of rattlesnake over there. Same
with Michow, but there's just a lot of it's more
I don't want to say, I guess a little bit
more wild than the show. My show is pretty wild.
But we went we did a ten mile hike into
Mahow State Forest with the Appalachian Trail, and we decided
to pick it's a place called dead Woman's Hollow and
dead Woman's Hollow it was named that part for a reason.
It's a fact there was a really horrible murder. I
want to say it happened in nineteen eighty nine in
the show State Forest Dead Woman's Trail. That's what it
is called. If you google that in Pennsylvania, dead Woman's
Trail in PA in Mishow State Forest, google murder took
place and it will tell you a story about there
was a survivor and she actually had escaped crawled out
and it was through Shippensburg area where I lived, which
I just told you guys about. But there was two women.
There was a man who escaped I think jail or something.
He was a murderer. He snuck up there and was
hiding out there, had access to a gun, and ended
up killing two women that went out there. They were
mining their business. I think they were camping out. But
what upset him is at that time I guess he
saw they were women doing stuff and at that time
he thought lesbians and he shot and he shot both
of them and killed the one and ended up the
one ended up surviving. But I can't think of their
names right now. I wish I would have wrote that
down so you guys can look that up. It is true,
but that trail is called that for that reason. And
on that trail actually there are a few stories of
dog men. That's where they like to pop up on
hikers and hunters, and so I don't know why that's
the trail that we chose. Not knowing that, but we
went out and did our Temaio hike. I've never ever
encountered a big foot, which I'm sure I've definitely been
around now. I definitely believe in all that stuff. But
we heard our first. It was just me and my husband.
We heard our first randomly out of the blue. It
was a bigfoot, like a whoop, and I just couldn't
believe it. I looked at him, I was like, did
you hear that? I was like, I was like that,
there's no other hikers, Like, there wasn't not where we
were at there was no other hikers around. It was
really like a whoop from them. And I was just like, Wow,
that's really cool. Don't ask me why. I don't know.
It's probably from one of the shows that I've heard.
Other ones we brought purposely to leave. Whenever we enter
the forest, I always like to say, you know, I
come here with I'm not bringing any danger, not here
to hurt anything. I'm just passing through, enjoying my day.
I actually brought. I left once I heard that, whoop,
I don't I got so excited I left. So we
left some raw bacon, just two slices, that's all I brought.
I left it there, kept it going. Don't know, you know,
if bigfoot or whatever got it, but we didn't see
anything at that time. But out this way now, I
feel like they're attracted to me. I can tell. Usually
I'll get like really weird feelings about outside, Like lately,
actually it feels super weird in the one part, like
the one area of our the backyard, which goes it's
in the woods, like right up against the creek there.
It's it's just for some reason, like nobody really likes
that one dark, dark part, and I'm always too afraid
to even like shine our spotlight over there, like we
avoid that area. I don't know's it's just weird. I
don't know why all of us just think that part is.
I don't know, there's something about that area that's super weird.
But they've been like on hikes and things, some of them,
I some of them like will show themselves. You'll see
a glimpse of one here or there, but nothing has
like chased, chased, me. Nothing has come face to face
with me again since that, since twenty twenty one. But
you can depending like when you go and stuff like
or when I go, because I just haven't had a chance,
and like to be honest, sometimes I just get too
freaked out to go. We do our our hiking. I'm
trying to plan a trip actually to do a quick
sleep one night or on the Appalachian Trail with my husband,
pop our ten up and go sleep out there. But
I'm not sure I'm gonna try to do that because
the last time I did it, I had to leave.
I had to leave there. It felt like it just
felt like we had to go. But you can tell
that they're definitely still around, but nothing there hasn't been
any like knocking on windows. My neighbors have chickens, I
have good night critters that come here every night like
I have. They still come. I just feel like they're around.
They're around and watching all the time. But I feel
like maybe the ones that are around, they just don't
want to be bothered, And you know, I'm all right
with not bothering them. And that's how I just try
to uh. I try to think that I try to
respect things everything. I feel like everything has a reason
to be here, everything has a reason to live. I
understand hunting and providing and things like that, but I
just tried to respect the earth and everything in there,
and I think that they should just be left alone.
I don't tell people. Some people will ask. I mean,
I did say a couple of names of the places.
I mean, people go to Mache State Forest. You should.
It's a beautiful place. It's really beautiful. There's lots of trails.
Just be careful what you're going in there looking for,
because it will find you. It definitely will find you.
I've seen a lot of hunters. Like I said, we
go deep out there, we run into hunters. We'd like
to talk to them. Me and my son really enjoyed
talking to hunters. We've met a lot of cool people
out out in those woods. We've come across a lot
of hunters who have looked really terrified, who some have
walked with us before, like hey, can we tag along
with you? Or hey, like what did you see? Like
we can't go around asking just anybody like you know, hey,
like did you see any you know where wolf out
there while you were hunting? But there has been people
you know, hunters that have said, you know, they've seen
some really weird things. My family has seen some weird things,
but nothing like I've seen. But now I feel a
little bit better since I've talked to Vic and stuff,
and like I feel like I have more support. Like
my husband, he's really supportive and he he knows, but
I try to tell him, Whang, you're actually out there.
And and since most of my now have been during daytime,
which is which is fine, but it doesn't change the
fact whether you're prepared for it really or not. When
when you have that encounter and it's right there in
front of you, you're not thinking about certain things, like
you're not thinking I mean maybe maybe some people, but
it's like I have my phone so many times on
my hand, I never thought once about taking its picture
or making a video. I never ever did, and hearing
about some of it, I feel like it wouldn't work anyway.
It's either gonna you're not going to get a picture
or you're gonna really upset something. And well, I mean,
anything could happen to you. But so I'm just trying
to make the best of it. I still watch, like
I said, my neighbors have chickens, so we know that, like,
the chickens are fine, that nothing's happening. There's a school
right near me, so I feel a little bit safer,
like I don't know something about the comfort of that,
like kids, I know there's police close by and stuff,
even though we do live in our little quiet area.
I just feel like they, the ones that are around here,
don't really they just don't want to bother you. You
just might see them, you know, they're passing through or
doing whatever they're doing, and you know you just have
to you got to try and just live with them too.
But also still, don't you know, they're not a friend.
I wouldn't say, you know, don't don't be don't be
worried about them. Definitely just be on guard and things
like that. But I don't feel like anybody should go
hunt them and try and kill them and stuff like that.
I think they should just be left alone.
Speaker 2: Well, it's awfully admirable that you still feel that way
about them after having all these experiences, because, as I'm
sure you realize, most people wouldn't feel that way.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I still have a tough time because
like that younger one, like he was really beautiful. But
don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong, they don't
look like like a normal dog. Even when their face
is like normal, they something about them. They look very different.
They look very angry. They look angry, they look scarier,
if that makes sense too. They don't just you know,
like a regular dog when it's resting. They don't look
like regular like that. There's things about them that is
just absolutely terrifying. Like their teeth. The thing I can't that.
It's something about their ears, the way their ears twitched,
or they would twitch their fingers like in the movie too,
like or when they wrinkle their nose too, because I
saw that, Like it just oh something about that, Like
I just it just does something to me. It just
does something to me. But they'll one like, I'm just
not looking for them. I'm not bothering. We're not bothering anything.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We like to enjoy the woods too, and we know
they live there. It's just how it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is a shame that these guys being
around is taken away from you being able to live
that dream of living out in the woods. It really
shouldn't be that way. But playing the glad game I'm
glad you're coping with these experiences as well as you are,
Thank goodness, because a lot of people wouldn't be able
to do that.
Speaker 1: No, I am too. And it's you know where I live.
I mean, we're we're just near I mean it took
years for me to like like do the research and
look up things and listen to other other stories as well.
That way you can think like, Okay, oh well this
happened here. It took me a long time to realize, like,
you know, we're near South Mountain. We're also near all
these other mountains. I'm We're literally like where we live
is like just a little We're in like a bowl,
and everything around us are all these different mountains, so
many other terrifying we live. Okay, So there's the State
Penitentiary that's out there in Philly. Everybody loves to go
there towards Halloween. It's a big, big thing. You know,
they're supposed to be running rampant out there at times
in Philly. And I feel like some I do feel
like they travel. I definitely do feel like they travel,
for sure, I know they do. But I also think
that there are some that I wouldn't say I don't.
I could say, like, you know, maybe a couple that
hang around or whatever, depending on there's there's so much
things to eat out here. There's so many deer, there's horses,
there's cows, there's ghosts. So that's why. And it's I
always seem to see them and some in summer, but
mainly fall, and it's a little bit weird winter like
when we're going in the winter. I've never seen them
aft in January, February or March, but those are the
only three months that we never had any kind of encounters.
It was weird. Those were the only three months all
the rest, so it seems like, you know, they definitely
have their patterns, but there definitely are some. I can
tell you there are some that stay because when we
lived at that one place with those cattle that were there,
this was going on all the time, and the dear
this was going on at least a couple times a month,
like so nothing was moving, you know. I mean, I'm
sure they moved around, but they didn't go too far,
like they were still in that area. It was really
it was really ought out in that place, really crazy.
Speaker 2: Well it goes with us saying I'm so glad you
get a break at least some of the months out
of the year. Thank goodness for that.
Speaker 1: Huh, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'd say so. Well, I've got some questions I wanted
to ask you, and also I wanted to share some
questions with you from the live chat from the listeners,
but we're definitely out of time tonight. Would you be
up for coming back Monday night to nine pm Eastern
time to do a Q and A?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Oh great, great, well, yeah that's the case. Then everything
ready to go, and we'll just come back Monday night
at nine pm Eastern time and we'll do that Q
and A.
Speaker 1: Then sounds good to.
Speaker 2: Me, all right, perfect? Well, of course, I can't thank
you enough for coming on and sharing all these details,
and as you know, I'm looking forward to Monday night
to having you back definitely. Vic all right, great, well,
thanks again so much for your time and have great weekend.
Speaker 1: Kay you too, Thank you, Thank you, everybody.
Speaker 2: You're welcome. We'll see you then. Well, everyone listening, I
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