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A man fights for justice 65 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:05.360 and closure for an ex girlfriend, an unknown survivor the 66 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:09.120 first to report to authorities her brutal attack by the 67 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:14.560 then nameless emerging Cleveland Strangler. Sadly, her case was suspended 68 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:18.639 within four months. A year later, Anthony Sole would begin 69 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:23.680 his killing spree, the infamous eleven women of Imperial Avenue, 70 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:28.000 all strangled and stashed in and around his home. Why 71 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:32.120 didn't Cleveland police take this woman's case serious? Did the 72 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:37.039 city of Cleveland fail to comply with the federal Megan's Law? 73 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:40.560 Was their community notification of a register's sex offender in 74 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:44.960 the neighborhood? Is the county psychiatric. 75 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:51.560 Liable for their sexual evaluation prediction which was low risk 76 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:55.719 to reoffend six percent chance of reoffending and that was 77 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:00.520 September two thousand and five. The Cleveland Strangler lured and 78 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:04.400 attacked Vernice Croucher in June two thousand and six, and 79 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:06.560 the Soul murders occurred two thousand and seven to two 80 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:10.240 thousand and nine. The book that we're featuring this evening 81 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:14.599 is My Sister's Keeper, The Cleveland Serial Killers Untold Story 82 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:20.120 with my special guest journalist and author C. D. Newton. 83 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:22.360 Welcome to the program, and thank you very much for 84 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:23.399 agreeing to this interview. 85 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:23.879 C D. 86 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:24.680 Newton. 87 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.040 Thank you very much, Dank for covering having me on 88 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:29.040 your show. Appreciate it. 89 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:35.480 Thank you very much. Let's I normally ask what brought 90 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:37.720 you to this story, how you came to write this story, 91 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:40.439 But the story itself is how you came to this story. 92 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:44.240 So let's jump right into this fascinating and incredible case 93 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:51.639 and story. Tell us about Vernice, sorry, talk about Let's 94 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:56.560 tell us about Vernice Creucher and Hirst. Tell us a 95 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:00.600 little bit about yourself to introduce your background before we 96 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:04.360 talk about Bernice s Crucher and Anthony Soul in the 97 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:06.040 Cleveland Strangler. 98 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:14.480 Certainly by education and trade, my background is in architecture 99 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:19.480 and engineering, but I always had a fascination with storytelling, 100 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:26.439 so I'm also a playwright and a writer. Bernice Skrutcher 101 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:29.240 and I began a relationship sometime about the spring of 102 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:33.360 two thousand and four, and this tragedy occurred about a 103 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:39.680 couple of years later. With regards to Reddie's Crutcher, it 104 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:43.279 should be in the interest of full disclosures. She does 105 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:48.439 have a problem with addiction and mental health issues, and 106 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:51.120 basically those are the type of victims that Anthony Sill 107 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:54.360 will target it. But what's fascinated about this particular case 108 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:59.839 Bernice Crutcher. At that time, June eighteen, two thousand and six, 109 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.639 she was lured and forced inside of an abandoned house 110 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:09.759 where she was attacked by then after me so well 111 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:18.839 and unfortunately, he resumed that he had killed her and 112 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:22.720 abandoned her inside the house. I presumed dead, but miraculously, 113 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:26.000 fifteen hours later, Britany s Puerto Rican consciousness. She staggered 114 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:28.519 over to her friend's house, where he immediately called nine 115 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:31.959 one one. She was rushed to the r and that's 116 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:35.480 where I received the phone call. And from that day 117 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:39.680 forward June nineteen, two thousand and six, then an interesting 118 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:43.720 ordeal to get her justice and closure. Sadly, unbeknownst to us, 119 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:47.240 four months after her attack, her case, as you mentioned, 120 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.720 it was suspended. I believe it was due to the 121 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:53.480 fact that when they didn't receive a match inside of COTUS, 122 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:59.639 which is the national database of sex offenders, the case 123 00:06:59.879 --> 00:07:04.639 was suspended. And unfortunately that was a very terrible decision 124 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:13.519 for the residents of Cleveland. And about two and a 125 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.600 half years later after her attack, about the fall of 126 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:20.920 November two thousand and nine, the bodies eleven bodies were 127 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:25.079 discovering in and around Anthony soul was home, and as 128 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:28.399 he continued, evidence and facts and information continued to come 129 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:31.879 out of that Imperial Avenue tragedy. Bernie and I noticed 130 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:36.199 some similarities with some of the other survivors in her case, 131 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.639 and I actually showed her a dew Scrutcher, an earlier 132 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:46.720 photograph of mister Sowell and asked her is this your attacker? 133 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:49.519 And within a flit second she said to me, yes, 134 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:54.800 that's him. So from that point four we went to 135 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:58.480 the sex crime unit at Indy Victim Wood and we 136 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:06.519 tried to say justice enclosure for but unfortunately constant adventure 137 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.279 by it indifferent those have been hurt as that we've 138 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:13.079 been trying to overcome in order to get her justice 139 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:15.399 and closure, and we've been at as better ever since. 140 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:17.839 And now we're on that third prosecutor. They try to 141 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:20.439 present this case to this cold case, to him that 142 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:25.959 he does have overwhelming facts and evidence to indict Anthony Sowell. 143 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:28.920 And that's where we are. 144 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:35.000 Now, let's go back, as you eloquently do in this book. 145 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:42.159 It's incredible the access that you have obviously by being 146 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:48.559 having Vernice's a girlfriend, and you meet her whole family, Wilma, Brenda, 147 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:53.080 her entire family, and you bring a different face to 148 00:08:53.559 --> 00:09:01.039 and reality to prostitution for the same for this drug addiction. 149 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:05.039 So the drug addiction driving everything and affecting everything. But 150 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.840 still again we hear this is cliche, people with families, 151 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:11.840 people with loved ones that care well. This is the 152 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:17.000 most fantastic story about the reality of people that are 153 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:22.320 vulnerable and have drug problems. Then, as you say, mental 154 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:26.480 health issues, but as we do as you do in 155 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:29.600 this book, let's go back to the attack for people 156 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:33.799 to understand again the signature that you compared this with 157 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:37.679 when you get the phone call after she's attacked, tell 158 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:43.279 us about what you experience going to visit Vernice, and 159 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:46.519 like you say, from that moment on, you're inextricably involved. 160 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.519 But tell us about the attack and what she told 161 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:52.440 you about the attack, and what did Anthony Sowell do 162 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:53.639 to Vernice cruture. 163 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:57.440 Well. Thirdly, once I went into the with a lot 164 00:09:57.480 --> 00:10:00.240 of going to the emergency room and I had look 165 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:05.879 at her, that was a life autery moment. On the 166 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:09.360 cover of the book, I tried to give you as 167 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:13.759 just a glimpse, it's sort of lord Alt, but you 168 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:17.320 can see it a before shot where Bernise is very attractive. 169 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:21.919 This is before the attack. She's a very luminous, attractive 170 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:26.360 female and the actor you can see that she'd suffered 171 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:29.519 some injuries to her head, in her face, and when 172 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:32.480 I was in the emergency room, I can tell that 173 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:38.320 this was a very vicious and heinous attack. She had 174 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:43.240 suffered multiple lacerations, beating, and she had a very pronounced 175 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:47.600 visible white ring around her throat which I later discovered 176 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:52.080 a cord was used to strangle her, which they later 177 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:58.000 found in the crime scene. Now, that particular injury, little 178 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:01.840 did I know, will become a signature calling card for 179 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:07.720 future attacks that the later victims would also suffer strangulation. 180 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:13.000 You talked, Sorry, go ahead now, I'm. 181 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:14.720 Just thinking back in terms of the emotions that went 182 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:16.159 through me at that point in time. It was just, 183 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:17.559 like said, it was just the most horrific thing I've 184 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:20.360 ever seen in my life. I had never seen a 185 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:26.159 woman injured to that extent, and actually I thought that 186 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:30.080 day that Bernice was not going to survive. But as 187 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:33.440 I stated later, did I find out that this actually 188 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:40.720 became his signature matter of attack. And then these will 189 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:45.080 fit the profile of subsequent victims, women who suffer from 190 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:50.799 drug addiction, prone to solicitation, and those who also have 191 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.240 mental health issues, because these are very vulnerable moments of 192 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:56.720 our society, as you mentioned. But this is where I 193 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:01.840 fought the city of Cleveland County when it comes to 194 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:05.440 sex offenders. Anthony saul As the September of two thousand 195 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:08.399 and five, nine months before her attack, was a registered 196 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:12.240 sex defender. He had just served fifteen years in prison 197 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:15.720 for rape, and he moved into Impure Avenue on June 198 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.279 of two thousand and five, which is about three miles 199 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:21.799 away from where he met Bernice, on East seventy ninth 200 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:27.000 Street in Cleveland's on the east side so even though 201 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.559 he was a mystery to her, he wasn't a mystery 202 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:35.200 to law enforcement. And for some strange reason, the County 203 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.120 Psychiatric Court, as you mentioned in the introduction, when they 204 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:45.440 did their evaluation on Mississau, they determine his predictability of 205 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:50.120 repeating his offense again. The psychiatrist came to the conclusion 206 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:53.399 that he would be a six percent chance to reoffend 207 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:57.679 within five years. My research reveals that the questionnaire that 208 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:00.919 was used for mister Solwell, which contains SAT questions, it's 209 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:06.679 referred to as Static ninety nine. Nineteen ninety nine was 210 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:10.120 a year that did some particular instrument was introduced, but 211 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.440 the creative over a course of time roleized that it 212 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:19.440 was inadequate, so they introduced a static two thousand and two. 213 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:23.200 For some strange reason, the city of Cleveland was still 214 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:26.840 using in two thousand and five Static ninety nine one 215 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:32.279 that was determined to be flawed and inadequate, So as 216 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:34.960 far as I'm concerned, they did not issue the proper 217 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:38.200 In addition to the fact that in nineteen ninety six, 218 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:41.639 then President William Jefferson Clinton signed into law which is 219 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:47.200 called Megan's Law, the Community Notification Act which required that 220 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:53.360 states and local municipalities informed communities when they registered sex 221 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:57.080 offender move into their neighborhood, and often that's done through 222 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:04.960 posts paid postcards which contains the regissex defender's photographs, his address, 223 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:08.840 and a brief description of was his defensive sone work. Well, 224 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:12.000 that was an issue for that community, for the Guard 225 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:14.960 Valley area and the Mount Pleasant area. And so now 226 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:19.960 you have this volatile cocktail mix. You have women who 227 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:24.000 are prone to drug addiction, but then you also have 228 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:28.519 these civic failures and so for a period of time 229 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:32.279 between two thousand and five and two thousand and nine, 230 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:37.000 those women were vulnerable. And unfortunately, the reality is the 231 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:41.519 city that's want to take responsibility for it. And I 232 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:43.559 think that also comes in a place that the reason 233 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:47.279 why her case is not swiftly being given justice and 234 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:51.200 closure because unlike some of the other survivors, Pernice actually 235 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:55.679 reported gave a physical description. And here's another fasceting twist 236 00:14:55.679 --> 00:15:00.240 to this, because you didn't expect for the survivor and 237 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:04.879 she did. She went forward provided a physical description and 238 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:06.519 right on the front cover of my book, I have 239 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:10.080 a digital lineup that I created the drawing of the 240 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:15.919 suspect that appeared in our city's largest newspaper on June 241 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:19.440 thirty of two thousand and six, So that means close 242 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:25.720 to a million people actually saw Anthony Soula's description he's 243 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:29.440 a registered sex defender nine months previously, but no one 244 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:33.039 would bother to connect the dots. Any unfortunate reason is 245 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:38.879 because the victims that were primarily attacked came from a 246 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:44.440 disenfranchised community. But had there been a more as student 247 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:47.799 investigation that didn't rely solely on DNA, a DNA hit, 248 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:51.799 and a more thorough investigation, the chances are they would 249 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:54.480 have apprehended him and those eleven women will still be 250 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:57.320 alive today. 251 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:01.559 Let's get back to the personal end of this which 252 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:06.519 is a very very important component of this book and 253 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.120 the most profound, I would say, in terms of impact 254 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:13.440 on the reader. And that's we didn't talk about. You 255 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:18.320 talked about the lacerations to Vernice's face, but tell us 256 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.679 what he does in terms that will maim her physically 257 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:25.639 and psychologically for life. 258 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:29.519 Well, certainly being a female. You know, beauty, it's very 259 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:34.120 important to any woman. I mean, that's their presentation, that's 260 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:38.159 their strength, that's their power, that's their guy given gift, well, 261 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.000 Antony thought I actually took that from her, and sadly, 262 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.159 and this is a bit of a flock spoiler, the 263 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:47.799 injuries result in the lost of her right eye, so 264 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:54.360 now she's physically mutilated. She without her right eye, now 265 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:56.279 she had to look at the world through just her 266 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.360 left eye, and now she has these private scards and 267 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:04.359 lacks of race. So psychologically the aftermath, she's been having 268 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.559 a hard time dealing with that, and even though the 269 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:11.759 wounds did begin to heal surprising really quickly within a 270 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:17.160 few months, the emotional scars last a lifetime. And to 271 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:23.759 add more insult to injury, the fact that she's been 272 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:29.160 victimized by the criminal justice system and law enforcement where 273 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.799 they're reluctant to give her her constitutional justice and closure. 274 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:37.880 So that certainly has had a devastating impact on her 275 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:42.680 mentally and emotionally. Because Renice also suffers from chronic depression, 276 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:48.920 So the fact that other survivors who had not reported 277 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:52.799 their case, exciving their attack at the time that they occurred, 278 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:56.799 or were skipped swiftly given indictments, that's also weighed very 279 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:59.640 heavily upon her psyche as well. So it's been a 280 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:02.880 very try romantic ordeal for her, and it would certainly 281 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.079 give her justice enclosure to be in that courtroom to 282 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:11.759 express her outrage to him and at the same time 283 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:16.880 holds the system and it's missteps accountable. It would completely 284 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:18.839 change the narrative, and I think that's one of the 285 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:22.279 reasons why the prosecutor this office in the city is 286 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:24.759 reluctant about doing it. But be bit as it may, 287 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:29.000 the law of the law, and so rule of law 288 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:33.200 has to prevail instead of bias or conflict adventures, because 289 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:40.960 it in fact in her life dramatically physically, mentally, and emotionally, 290 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:46.240 and that healing will not take place until she has 291 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:51.920 her day in court. I was there those initial months 292 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:57.519 of the horrible nightmares of her relibity attack. You know, 293 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:02.319 for some reason, Vernice wanted to spend her recuperation with me, 294 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:07.359 so I, you know, open up my home tour allow 295 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:09.240 her to have the bad room. I took the sofa 296 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:13.960 for months. I would apply the necessary treatment to her wounds, 297 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:17.960 change her un bloody gauzes with fresh on gauzles before 298 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:23.640 I went off to work, and that transition period where 299 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:25.759 I can remember vividly it was very difficult for her 300 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:31.000 and so the real healing will take place as it 301 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:34.519 would any rape survivor. It's when it can look they're 302 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:38.519 selling in the eye and express what he did to her, 303 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:43.480 how he changed her life, and simultaneously let the cystem know. 304 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:48.000 When you make the steps, you also have to take responsibility. 305 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:50.640 You have to be accountable as well. There's no such 306 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:53.799 thing as a disposed to human beings, whether with the 307 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:58.039 person that is disenfranchised of limited means of life or 308 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:04.599 wall off, or an entertain or celebrity. Every person who 309 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:08.680 is a victim is entitled to the proper healing process. 310 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:10.640 They're entitled to justice. 311 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:19.039 Let's discuss something that I imagine if somebody was criticizing this, 312 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:21.559 they would come up with this one issue. And so 313 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:27.680 let's deal with this contentious issue. As you explained originally, 314 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:33.720 Vernice does a description accomposite drawing and is happy with 315 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:37.359 it to a certain extent. She obviously traumatized and wants 316 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:39.400 to get out of there, so she has enough too 317 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:42.079 much patience. But she said that she was pretty happy 318 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.000 with it, but it had far too much hair. And 319 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:51.000 then you discover through your investigation what could have happened 320 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:54.759 when she looked at a photo, and because of when 321 00:20:54.799 --> 00:21:00.000 that photo was taken, tell us about the photo controvert, 322 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:01.640 she as you do explain in. 323 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:05.359 The book Very good Den, I can take you ready. Well, yes, 324 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:10.359 Initially in the on the front page of the October 325 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:13.799 thirty first, two thousand and nine Plane Dealer, the City 326 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:15.759 and I guess the nation for the first time sees 327 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:19.000 a photograph of Anthony Sowell. He's a suspect, He's a 328 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:25.160 wanted man. That photo describes Anthony Sowell, six feet tall, 329 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:30.680 one hundred and fifty five pounds. When I first showed 330 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:36.359 Brennan's crutcher that photograph, she stared at it for about 331 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:41.240 three minutes, dead silence. I can tell I can see 332 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:44.480 the gears in her mind turning. But after she stared 333 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:46.519 after inside of the foot for a while, she said 334 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:51.880 to me, No, that's not him. Now, mind you. I've 335 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:54.319 been reading every piece of day I can get my 336 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:57.079 hands on about this gentleman, and I'm saying to myself, 337 00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:59.839 this got to be him, based upon what I knew 338 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:04.640 transpired her attack two and a half years earlier. So 339 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:06.799 I said to myself, there's got to be something wrong here. 340 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:09.079 So I took to the internet, did a little more 341 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:12.440 research found an earlier photograph of him, which of course 342 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:15.079 I provide on the front purp of the book, the 343 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:19.240 two photographs of the writer's action photographs, the f one 344 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:23.960 of the far right. I showed that to her sometime later, actually, 345 00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:26.519 it was about February two thousand and ten, and within 346 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:29.559 a split second she said to me, that's him, that's 347 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:33.759 my attacker. Really excitedly, I said, Ernie, this this is 348 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:36.000 the same man I showed to you and the Plane Dealer. 349 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:40.119 She said, well, why is it do it so different? Well, 350 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:43.880 once I pulled his psyche evaluation from September two thousand 351 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:47.960 and five, I realized why he looked so differently from 352 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:50.920 the front page of The Plane Dealer from the photographs 353 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:53.640 that I found the earlier photographer found for the Internet. 354 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:57.480 Anthony stillwell. Like many of his victims, he was also 355 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:01.400 a crack addict as well as he drained heavily himself, 356 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:04.000 so between the time that he was released from June 357 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:06.599 of two thousand and five to the time of this Catcher, 358 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:11.039 Anthony Soa actually lost nearly forty pounds. The psych evaluation 359 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:13.920 described him as being six feet tall one hundred and 360 00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:17.440 ninety five pounds, but he was down to one hundred 361 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:20.160 and fifty five pounds at the time of his catcher. 362 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:27.240 What man loses forty pounds in the span of four years. Well, 363 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:30.079 that was the reason why, and that explained why she 364 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:35.200 couldn't place him from the front page photographs used by 365 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:37.200 the playing diller as opposed to the one that I 366 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:41.279 retrieved from the Internet. So then all the pieces of 367 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.519 the puzzes came together. And that's where I also relized. 368 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:46.599 Not only did she not place him because my instincts 369 00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:49.559 were telling me this has to be the man, But 370 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:52.240 then I realized the day that I was searching for 371 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.920 Within hours of her disappearance, Anthony Sowell and I crossed 372 00:23:57.079 --> 00:24:01.599 paths wow, because I told her, I said the photograph 373 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:04.400 that I'm showing you, this is the man that briefly 374 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:07.039 joined me at the bus shelter the evening. I was 375 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:11.400 looking for you because I reached her her neighborhood about 376 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:15.799 seven thirty in the evening, and I stayed precisely one 377 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:19.559 thirty in the morning. I could not pull myself to 378 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:22.440 leave the area because I knew something was wrong because 379 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:24.920 we had just talked by phone about an hour and 380 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:28.799 a half or so before. I reached her neighborhood and 381 00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:31.240 she didn't mention she was going anywhere. And most of 382 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:34.480 the locals that I told that I am talked to 383 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:37.799 and asking them had they seen her, they always telling 384 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:39.839 me the same thing, Well, yeah, she's around here somewhere. 385 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:44.359 And when I left at one thirty in the morning, 386 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:46.839 that's when I got the call roughly about nine to 387 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:50.319 nine thirty from metro Er that she had been involved 388 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:53.799 in a very brutal assault and she's asking for me 389 00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:56.960 to come to the emergency room. And that's where all 390 00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:01.160 the pieces of the puzzle came together, that that man 391 00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:05.440 was actually leaving a crime scene, and because he didn't 392 00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:09.799 own a car, he took the number fourteenth of which 393 00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:12.559 travels up and down Kinsmen and from each seventy nine 394 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:15.319 to his home. I looked it up in less than 395 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.039 ten minutes. It goes right pat to the Impuire Avenue. 396 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:21.680 And I never knew that until two and a half 397 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:25.240 three years later, and then I realized this is the 398 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:32.200 same man now. I provided under oak scorn Affidavid to 399 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.480 the Premean Police Department, says crime units, to the Chief 400 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:40.480 of Police, to the Prosecutor's office, to the Police Review board, 401 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:43.759