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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray, WBZ, Constance New Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that was an interesting sound we did that? Or

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<v Speaker 2>I have no problem. Yeah, sometimes the system misfires or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever hates Rob and I have yet to do a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect show. We're still working on it. Rob. We're getting

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<v Speaker 2>close to four thousand programs, the vast majority of which

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<v Speaker 2>you had, fast majority of which you have produced, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thank you for that. Rob Brooks. He's the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who picks up the phone when you call. Okay. Gonna

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<v Speaker 2>start off tonight with something that has troubled me for

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<v Speaker 2>a few days, and that is the lack of empathy

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<v Speaker 2>some people have displayed to the shooting of the United

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<v Speaker 2>Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson a week ago yesterday at six

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<v Speaker 2>forty five in the morning, A cowardly act by this

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<v Speaker 2>Luigi Mangioni. Now there's a lot more coming out on

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<v Speaker 2>lou me Andoni. As a matter of fact, I talked

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<v Speaker 2>briefly tonight with a friend of mine who referred me

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<v Speaker 2>to a piece that was on CNN today. And the

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<v Speaker 2>piece on CNN talked about and again, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to make it sound like it's an excuse, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting the piece said, uh that this individual may

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<v Speaker 2>have had issues that were related to lime disease, severe

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<v Speaker 2>brain fog, and which he said started after losing sleep

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<v Speaker 2>during his fraternity's hell week and caused his college grades

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<v Speaker 2>to start tanking. I'm not exactly sure if this is

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<v Speaker 2>someone talking about about me and Gione, but the question

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<v Speaker 2>that this doctor raised for me is whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>this guy was affected by lyme disease. However, as interesting

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<v Speaker 2>a point as that is, and we might talk about

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<v Speaker 2>that more tomorrow night, whatever, maybe this guy was schizophrenic.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I have certainly come to understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think most of you have come to understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>Physical problems. You see someone who's a broken arm, their

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<v Speaker 2>arms in a sling, everybody's very sympathetic. How'd you break

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<v Speaker 2>your arms? Someone has a broken leg, they got a

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<v Speaker 2>cast in their leg. How'd you break your leg? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>And there are other issues that are not so evident.

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<v Speaker 2>But when someone says, oh, you know, a friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, passed away of whatever, you understand that. But

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<v Speaker 2>mental illness is sometimes even more serious than physical illness.

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<v Speaker 2>So I will let I will let all of that

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<v Speaker 2>in in terms of conversations but this guy was smart enough,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy being Mangioni, he was smart enough. He was

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<v Speaker 2>shrewd enough to basically attract his target. He picked this

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<v Speaker 2>guy as his target. I think that's going to come

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<v Speaker 2>out clearly. This was not a random Let me shoot

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<v Speaker 2>the first guy who was walking into this conference, who

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<v Speaker 2>looks like he might be an executive. No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no no. He knew exactly who he was killing. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have the courage to face him front on. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have the courage to go up to him and

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<v Speaker 2>punch him in the nose. He was a coward. He

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<v Speaker 2>sat across the streets, stood across the street. He knew

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<v Speaker 2>what this guy looked like. He obviously had done his homework.

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<v Speaker 2>He had been in New York City for ten days

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<v Speaker 2>from Thanksgiving on. He planned his escape. Didn't really work

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<v Speaker 2>because he was found out and arrested for the alleged murder,

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<v Speaker 2>cold blood, cowardly murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any great sympathy for people who are

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<v Speaker 2>making millions of dollars in whatever field, But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if all of a sudden, you know someone who all

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<v Speaker 2>of us would know I mean Kobe Bryant, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>how can you not feel horrific about Kobe Bryant's plane

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<v Speaker 2>crash in his death. And there have been other you know, figures, celebrities, entertainers.

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<v Speaker 2>So this guy had a different form of work. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a healthcare executive. Uh and if if he did

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<v Speaker 2>something illegal as a healthcare executive, should have been punished

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<v Speaker 2>for it. I have no indication that he did. Whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the rules for healthcare reimbursing. I'm as frustrated with healthcare

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<v Speaker 2>companies as anyone is. We all want everything to be

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<v Speaker 2>covered of. That's not the time to discuss that, Nor

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<v Speaker 2>is it the time to do what Elizabeth Warren did yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>our senior senator, who is, as she certainly has tried

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<v Speaker 2>to suggest to all of us for many years, amongst

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<v Speaker 2>one of the smartest people in the world. She released

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<v Speaker 2>a statement which she then had to retract. The statement

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<v Speaker 2>was and again this is a combination of out of

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<v Speaker 2>the Herald and The Globe. The Globe's headline with Senator

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<v Speaker 2>Warren says, visceral response to killing of insurance CEO should

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<v Speaker 2>be warning to healthcare system. I mean, you know, assassination

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<v Speaker 2>attempt on the life of President Trump should be warning

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<v Speaker 2>to all politicians. I don't think so how do you

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<v Speaker 2>make that connection. I mean, there are people, there are

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<v Speaker 2>wacky people on both ends of the political spectrum who

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<v Speaker 2>would engage in that sort of behavior if, particularly if

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<v Speaker 2>they thought that somehow they could become foll heroes. So

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<v Speaker 2>Warren wrote, the visceral response from people across the country

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<v Speaker 2>who feel cheated, ripped off, and threatened by the vile

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<v Speaker 2>practices of their insurance companies should be a warning to

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<v Speaker 2>everyone in the healthcare system. People can only be pushed

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<v Speaker 2>so far now. She amended the statement and said yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>violence is never the answer, period. She said, I should

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<v Speaker 2>have been much clearer that there is never a justification

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<v Speaker 2>for murder. Okay. Bernie Sanders phrased it a little differently.

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Sanders from Vermont said, I think that the outpouring

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<v Speaker 2>of anger at the healthcare industry tells us that millions

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<v Speaker 2>of people understand the healthcare understand that healthcare is a

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<v Speaker 2>human right, and that you cannot have people in the

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<v Speaker 2>insurance industry rejecting needed healthcare for people while they make

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<v Speaker 2>billions of dollars. This looks like a misprint here and

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<v Speaker 2>I assume it means profit. But Republican senators reacted pretty quickly,

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<v Speaker 2>and as they say, Warrant amended her statement. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if she would have amended her statement now.

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<v Speaker 2>Seth Moulton, another Democrat who who has come out under

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<v Speaker 2>fire recently for a different issue, said, I know, Senator Warren,

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<v Speaker 2>she's not condoning murder. She's against murders, just like all

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of us. That's not what she's saying. What

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<v Speaker 2>she's saying is that we have a problem, we have

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<v Speaker 2>problems in our health care industry that needs to be addressed. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that's fine, But to link the shooting with

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<v Speaker 2>the problems, it almost provides a quasi justification for the shooting. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know what this guy went through. We don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it probably come out that he lost a friend

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<v Speaker 2>or but but maybe his his grief, his his gripe

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<v Speaker 2>should have been with the medical community, not the healthcare system.

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<v Speaker 2>So if your family goes to a doctor, a family

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<v Speaker 2>member goes to a doctor. And we've had doctors shot

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<v Speaker 2>and killed here in Boston. We had a doctor at

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<v Speaker 2>MGH ten years ago shot and killed in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the day. I mean this, this stuff has to end.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that we can get into a whole

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<v Speaker 2>conversation about guns, ghost guns and all of that. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. We don't need to go that far tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact of the matter is that we have people

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<v Speaker 2>in this country who are imbalanced, whether it's Ted Kazinski,

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<v Speaker 2>the late Ted Kazinski, or this guy Luigi Manginoni. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>Mangioni uh, both Ivy League college graduates and for them self,

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<v Speaker 2>help was the answer. I want to open up the

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<v Speaker 2>phone lines. Maybe someone can explain it to me. But

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<v Speaker 2>you just cannot in any way, shape or form, rationalize

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<v Speaker 2>or have empathy for this guy. Now this is Warren.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's Warren yesterday. So let me have Rob

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<v Speaker 2>play it so you can hear in her own words

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<v Speaker 2>what she said. And then well, here it is. This

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<v Speaker 2>has cut number twenty. Rob, go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>So look terrible for individuals, but stop and think overall

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<v Speaker 3>about the social contract.

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<v Speaker 2>Get a part.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the deal in how we've kept this democracy, this economy,

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<v Speaker 3>this country on a fairly steady path for more than

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred years has been that those at the top

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<v Speaker 3>pay a little more in taxes, are a little less

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<v Speaker 3>rich than they otherwise might be, and everybody else at

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<v Speaker 3>least gets a chance. And what happens when you turn

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<v Speaker 3>this into the billionaires run at all is they get

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<v Speaker 3>the opportunity to squeeze every last penny. And look, we'll

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<v Speaker 3>say it over and over, violence is never the answer

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<v Speaker 3>of This guy gets a trial who's allegedly killed the

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<v Speaker 3>CEO of United Health. But you can only push people

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<v Speaker 3>so far and then they start to take matters into

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<v Speaker 3>their own hands. Yeah, we need regulation in part to

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<v Speaker 3>wring those guys in.

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<v Speaker 2>This is total rationalization, justification. It's like saying, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>Red Sox fan, I hate the Yankees and that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I decided that I had to shoot the Yankee player.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, where does it stop? Where does it stop?

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<v Speaker 2>This is insanity for Elizabeth Warren to even link the

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<v Speaker 2>for political reasons. Basically, allegedly, Luigi MENGIONI shot and killed

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Thompson, and he maybe with schizophrenic, maybe he was

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<v Speaker 2>just totally nuts, maybe he was blinded by his rage.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. We'll figure that out, the courts will

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<v Speaker 2>figure that out. But to link this murder, this cold

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<v Speaker 2>blooded shoot him in the back murder, by Elizabeth Warren

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<v Speaker 2>or any politician is unconscionable, absolutely unconscionable. And she should

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<v Speaker 2>apologize profusely to the Thompson family, and she should apologize

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<v Speaker 2>profusely to her constituents because she doesn't represent me, and

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't represent most people in Massachusetts who were appalled

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<v Speaker 2>by that. And she could have emphasized anything she wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>She's not stupid, but she has some pretty stupid ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back on Nightside. Only couple of lines open

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<v Speaker 2>right now, and of course when the line start to

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<v Speaker 2>drop off, six, one, seven, two, ten, thirty Nights Out

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<v Speaker 2>with Dan Ray. We got a lot to talk about tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>to night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to the phone. It's gonna start off with

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<v Speaker 2>Steve in Delaware. Steve, you were next, are your first

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<v Speaker 2>tonight on night Side? Welcome?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome?

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<v Speaker 1>Sir.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll trace it back to.

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<v Speaker 4>George Bush nineteen ninety and you guests.

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<v Speaker 2>Did we loose in here? I'm listening.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's I just keep talking until I can figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what you're saying, right, ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I traced it back to George Bush nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you trace back the shooting of Brian Thompson, No. No.

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<v Speaker 4>Nineteen ninety the American with Disabilities Act.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel need to expand in your thoughts ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>The American Disabilities Act was signed UH three seventy seven

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<v Speaker 4>to twenty eight in the House ninety one to six

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<v Speaker 4>by the Senate, and it was signed by George Bush.

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<v Speaker 4>And it included under the Equal Opportunity RAS schizophrenia, PTSD, OCD,

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<v Speaker 4>major depressive disorder UH, intellectual disability, bipolar disorder, add all

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<v Speaker 4>the autism, all these things you cannot discriminate. So these

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<v Speaker 4>people will We were taken out of mental institutions, put

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<v Speaker 4>in society and reproduce that gene. All those are genes,

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<v Speaker 4>Those are hereditary things. They they continued and that, and

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna have this forever. It's the cost of doing business.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just gonna be accepted. It's no different. Every day

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<v Speaker 4>in New York City, Chicago, Philadelphia. Mental patients are killing

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<v Speaker 4>people on subways anywhere. So it's directly related to Disabilities Act.

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<v Speaker 4>They did not take in consideration mental disabilities.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert, here's the thing where I disagree.

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<v Speaker 5>With you, okay, not to disagreement.

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<v Speaker 2>I can always find something to disagree with you. Stay

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<v Speaker 2>no schizophrenica, et cetera, from from institutions.

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<v Speaker 4>No, but it made it so that they will not

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<v Speaker 4>go in institutions. Nobody is forced in the institutions. There's

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<v Speaker 4>tons of documentaries on this.

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<v Speaker 2>True. So they huh, that's not true. There we have

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think? At least I don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>laws in Delaware, I know him pretty well. In Massachusetts, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you go to you go. You you have found not

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<v Speaker 2>guilty of a horrific crime by reason of insanity. You

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<v Speaker 4>If there's okay, sir, if there's a if there's a

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<v Speaker 4>tell him how easily they released these people. They hand

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<v Speaker 4>If there's a profession out there, please call in and

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<v Speaker 4>you'll get a completely different opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll see if people want to call in. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always happy to I know a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 2>legal system in Massachusetts, probably more than and you've you've

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<v Speaker 2>the American with Disabilities Act, which has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with with with what happened in New York. Now, whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not this guy MINNGIONI was schizophrenic. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 4>If I could ask you that season, No, I've never

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<v Speaker 4>been in a mental institution, but had to be something

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<v Speaker 4>wrong with him mentally to do that. Okay, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>Do I look, wait a second, if we can have

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<v Speaker 2>a note of agreement. Yeah, I think that anybody who

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<v Speaker 2>would do that was was, you know, in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the word of street parlance, insane. But he's not insane

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<v Speaker 2>legally because he The definition of insanity legally is not

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<v Speaker 2>being able to separate or distinguish right from wrong. He

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<v Speaker 2>knew what he was doing was wrong, but he had

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<v Speaker 2>in his mind a justification for it. So he's he

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<v Speaker 2>I believe will be found guilty because the evidence is overwhelming,

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<v Speaker 2>and I do believe that he will not be able

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<v Speaker 2>to plead schizophrenia. Maybe his lawyers will try, but he

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<v Speaker 2>had he understood what he was doing. Go ahead, Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you a final word.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the thing is just because you're not dying. This

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<v Speaker 4>is because you haven't been diagnosed, but you can. I

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<v Speaker 4>someone asked me, do you have a brain in it?

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<v Speaker 4>They're like no, because I'm not diagnosed with it. But

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<v Speaker 4>I do, but I can still have it. You better

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<v Speaker 4>watch out if it goes to trial. They got one

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<v Speaker 4>sympathetic person out there, and they might find him not

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<v Speaker 4>guilty for whatever reason. I don't know. I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>But the men.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, Steve, you're wrong, You're wrong. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to tell you this, But in order to

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<v Speaker 2>find him not guilty by reason of insaneity, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>not one. He's gonna need twelve, Okay, And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think you'll be able to find twelve jurors in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll see how the trial goes through. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you do in Delaware? I'm always interested in callers, what

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<v Speaker 2>What's what's your professional in social work? Okay, I would

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<v Speaker 2>respect that. I respect that, And I think that people

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<v Speaker 2>who have degrees in sociology social work have a different

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<v Speaker 2>set of life experiences. And I'm not trying to any

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<v Speaker 2>way shape of one diminish yours. But thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>answering that question. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like it's like prison guards. It's like prison guards.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't know what really goes on into prison.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got I've had experience in prisons. Okay, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a prison guard, but I know lots of prison guards,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've had experience in prison with prison inmates, including

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<v Speaker 2>four men who were wrongfully convicted for a murder they

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<v Speaker 2>had nothing to do with, and I work very hard

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<v Speaker 2>to get them released. So I know a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of I may know a little more about some of this.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you realize, no, nobody knows what really goes on

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<v Speaker 4>in any anything until you've really seen it. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's like it's like anything. All right, Well, all let's

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<v Speaker 4>go right. Thanks for hearing me, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome, Thanks very much. Okay, I can find out

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<v Speaker 2>as a reporter what goes on in a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different places when I have when I have trust in

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<v Speaker 2>the person with whom i'm speaking. So yeah, I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>that conversation. We'll be back on Night's side if you'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to join the conversation and back them up, or

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<v Speaker 2>if you'd like to disagree with him. That's what this

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<v Speaker 2>show is all about. This is North America's back porch.

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<v Speaker 2>All points of view are welcome. As you can see,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a good caller. He actually engaged in a

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's keep rolling here. Let's go next to

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<v Speaker 2>Louis in Shrewsbury, a little closer to home. Lou welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to night Side. How are you?

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Dan. It's been a while since I've called,

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<v Speaker 4>and we've engaged in a few great, great brief conversations.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to put one idea forward, Yeah, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to put one simple idea forward. I've

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<v Speaker 4>been thinking about this quite a bit, uh, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think there's two issues here that have kind of gotten

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<v Speaker 4>blurred together. And and the first is the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's in conscionable, if that's the right word. It's

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<v Speaker 4>just we can't have people shooting people in the street,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, because of you know, a sense of vigilanteism.

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<v Speaker 4>So that that's that's a given. But I think what

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<v Speaker 4>we're seeing is a blurring and overlap of an issue

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<v Speaker 4>the I think at this point, I think very real,

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<v Speaker 4>very real observation that we've got a health insurance business

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<v Speaker 4>that's gone beyond being broke, and it really is lapsed

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<v Speaker 4>into corruption. And I think that's when we see some sympathy.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's a misguided sympathy or.

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<v Speaker 2>Use the word corruption. What proof do you.

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<v Speaker 5>Have of that?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's a strong word.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's a strong word.

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<v Speaker 4>Well that's what I'm saying. Yeah, it is a strong word, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And it is a strong word. And and I've been

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<v Speaker 4>making the jump looking at the looking at the number

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<v Speaker 4>number of insurance denials that particularly United Health has, which

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<v Speaker 4>I believe is thirty two or thirty three percent denials,

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<v Speaker 4>most of which are coming through artificial intelligence searching programs

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<v Speaker 4>to search for reasons to say no. And we have

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<v Speaker 4>so many people that just about anybody you talk to

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<v Speaker 4>as a family member, close friend who has been denied

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<v Speaker 4>or hassled so badly to the point of desperation. And

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<v Speaker 4>people who are younger who are able to make the

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<v Speaker 4>phone calls fight really hard. I don't want to bore

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<v Speaker 4>you with my own personal story, but we've had situations

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<v Speaker 4>where emergency visits were turned around and denied and to

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<v Speaker 4>the you know, to the big amounts of money in

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<v Speaker 4>my books. But there's just too much going on with denials,

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<v Speaker 4>with you know, with with a failure of an equitable

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<v Speaker 4>business relationship between the purchaser of insurance and the companies

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<v Speaker 2>Without getting into no but just let me jump in

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<v Speaker 2>for a second here, without getting into the level of

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<v Speaker 2>frustrations and problems that you have, which are probably legitimate. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but I said legitimate. I didn't say they were major.

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<v Speaker 2>I said legitimate. The point is that nothing justifies what

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<v Speaker 2>this guy did. Number one exact number two. You agree,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that. I just want to emphasize that because

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<v Speaker 2>someone like Elizabeth Warren didn't emphasize that initially. Secondly, Secondly,

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<v Speaker 2>what we should do. This problem hasn't occurred overnight. It

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<v Speaker 2>has developed over time. Now, if the pattern and practice

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<v Speaker 2>in the industry has changed, then we need to address

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<v Speaker 2>that legislatively. And the way to do it is to

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<v Speaker 2>do it at Congress. Because insurance companies are national companies,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not local companies. So what has Congress done or

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<v Speaker 2>what has Congress not done to address this issue? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things they could do is say, you know, basically,

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<v Speaker 2>uh set up and uh an action in federal court

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<v Speaker 2>where some of these companies could be called to task.

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<v Speaker 2>You could have these these cases litigated. Most of us

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<v Speaker 2>get our insurance through UH, the company we work for,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe the companies that we work for have to

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<v Speaker 2>be more aggressive when they negotiate the contracts with these

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<v Speaker 2>insurance companies. If the insurance companies have become too big,

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<v Speaker 2>we have anti trust laws. Why haven't those anti trust

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<v Speaker 2>laws been invoked?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean the yeah, and again when when? When?

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<v Speaker 4>And I am I'll tell you why I start.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll tell you why. And you know why because

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<v Speaker 2>the big insurance companies have lobbyists on K Street in Washington.

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<v Speaker 4>You took the words out of my mouth. You took

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<v Speaker 4>this frustration that people are feeling and they and they

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<v Speaker 4>know it's reality. It's it's it's overshadowed this murder. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's what I mean. This is a murder. And and

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<v Speaker 4>you know and your characterize it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Worse than I mean. It's a murder, but it's also

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<v Speaker 2>it's a cold blooded, premeditated shoot him in the back

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<v Speaker 2>at six forty five in the morning.

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<v Speaker 4>Coward, coward, It's appalling. But this Robinhood sort of thing

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<v Speaker 4>has come about because so many people are just at

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they they are just out there with end.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't want to take up too much of

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<v Speaker 4>your time, but you understand what I'm saying. I think

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<v Speaker 4>there's a blurring. I think there's almost a benefit that

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<v Speaker 4>the murderer has received.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of Oh yeah, I've seen some stuff on the internet,

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<v Speaker 2>on the internet, which, again, in a free society, people

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<v Speaker 2>can say that. At the same time, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>challenge me and tell me why it's why it's legitimate.

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<v Speaker 4>We have an option to spend.

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<v Speaker 2>We have options in this society, Okay, I had. I

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<v Speaker 2>will tell you, you know, I'm going to be very

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<v Speaker 2>health savings account. Okay, and I've had trouble with the

420
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<v Speaker 2>insurance with that that company. All it was for me

421
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<v Speaker 2>was to recover the money that I had spent on

422
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<v Speaker 2>medical for my myself and my and my wife.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, and that.

424
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<v Speaker 2>Company made it so difficult for me to recover legitimate expenditures.

425
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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't using my HSA card, by the way, which

426
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you know and others know. It's money that

427
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<v Speaker 2>I contributed. It's my money. Okay, I'm not using the

428
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<v Speaker 2>HSA card to spend dinners at four seasons, Okay. They're

429
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<v Speaker 2>all medical expenditures, legitimate meling expenditures. And this HSA company

430
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<v Speaker 2>was basically questioning twenty dollars coll pays to doctors' offices,

431
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<v Speaker 2>and I had to go to the doctor's office and

432
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<v Speaker 2>get a letter that what was the COD paid for?

433
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<v Speaker 2>And then you get a thing that would say, well,

434
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<v Speaker 2>you got to have the code. And whenever you tried

435
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<v Speaker 2>to talk to a human being with that company, absolutely frustration.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Most of the time you got someone in the Philippines.

437
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<v Speaker 2>I have nothing against people in the Philippines, but I

438
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<v Speaker 2>would always ask give me an Onshore representative. It was

439
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<v Speaker 2>a way of saying, I want to speak to an American.

440
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<v Speaker 2>Bottom line was I have decided that I would prefer

441
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<v Speaker 2>to lose the tax benefit because that's one of the

442
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 2>things you get you put away a certain amount of money,

443
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<v Speaker 2>and that is pre tax income and then you can

444
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<v Speaker 2>use that as a legitimate deduction. I now am prepared

445
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<v Speaker 2>to give more money in federal taxes to the federal

446
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<v Speaker 2>government as opposed to fighting with this company.

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<v Speaker 4>I got a pair of I'm.

448
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<v Speaker 2>Telling you that I am totally empathetic and understand what

449
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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about. Let me tell you one final story.

450
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<v Speaker 2>I bought relatively inexpensive prescription dark glasses for a trip

451
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<v Speaker 2>I took to Italy last summer with nightside listeners. They

452
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<v Speaker 2>covered everything but ninety eight cents. You know how much

453
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:26.839
<v Speaker 2>the glasses cost eighty two dollars in ninety eight cents.

454
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<v Speaker 2>They paid for eighty two dollars, but I had to

455
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<v Speaker 2>write a check to them for ninety eight cents to

456
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<v Speaker 2>clear my account.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so you need.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is that I know the frustrations of

459
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<v Speaker 2>dealings with this company, and I had a conversation I'm

460
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<v Speaker 2>not going to give to that with my doctor and

461
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<v Speaker 2>basically he said to me, he says it's not worth

462
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<v Speaker 2>the money, and it isn't. I was spending more time

463
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<v Speaker 2>trying to recover my own money, my own money. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm totally with you, But guess what I want. Elizabeth

465
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<v Speaker 2>Warren as opposed to going out and trying to score

466
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<v Speaker 2>political points to turn us into socialized medicine in America.

467
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<v Speaker 2>Bring these countries, these companies to toe. That's my problem

468
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<v Speaker 2>with Elizabeth Warren.

469
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<v Speaker 4>And I think that that that makes complete sense, and

470
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<v Speaker 4>it and it points in the right direction. And I'll

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<v Speaker 4>just make one final statement and I'll let you get

472
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<v Speaker 4>back to your other callers. I think that in my work,

473
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<v Speaker 4>I interact over the years with a number of different

474
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<v Speaker 4>companies and you know, God bless them, but you cannot

475
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<v Speaker 4>count on companies to police themselves. They just won't. There's

476
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<v Speaker 4>too many factors involved. That's a subject for another night.

477
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<v Speaker 4>But you raise a really good look.

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<v Speaker 2>There are there are great there were great companies out there.

479
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<v Speaker 2>There are good companies, of course there are. Okay, what

480
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.920
<v Speaker 2>we have to do, just like most people are good people.

481
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.759
<v Speaker 2>What do we do with the bad people? We prosecute them.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, well, this is it.

483
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<v Speaker 4>I mean we you know, there are great companies. The

484
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<v Speaker 4>majority are wonderful, benevolent company. There are some that are

485
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<v Speaker 4>disappointing to me. But having said that, the you know,

486
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.680
<v Speaker 4>the speed limits have to be set by the government,

487
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<v Speaker 4>and you know, your point is a good one. Who

488
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<v Speaker 4>do we look to? You know, you have to look

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<v Speaker 4>to the institutions, the government institutions that have been put

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<v Speaker 4>in place to monitor and do their work, whether they're influenced.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, who's been in the US Senates, who's been

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<v Speaker 2>in the US Senate here from Massachusetts twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Please Dan, right, okay, you know, all right, I gotta go,

494
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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta go. Thanks man, appreciate the call. Okay. I

496
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<v Speaker 2>didn't intend to bring my own personal experiences, but those

497
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.440
<v Speaker 2>are true, okay, and I feel I have an obligation

498
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<v Speaker 2>to share them with you. We'll be back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to share with me. I'll share with

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<v Speaker 2>you coming back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray mine from the Window World

502
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<v Speaker 1>nights Side Studios on w b Z News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>But back we go to the phone. It's gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>to John in Dedham. John, you were next on night Side.

505
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<v Speaker 5>Welcome they did. There's so so many topics to discuss, said,

506
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.960
<v Speaker 5>but I ain't be called for Elizabeth Warren. She needs

507
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<v Speaker 5>to resign immediately. That that you know, these politicians that

508
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.920
<v Speaker 5>just get to, like you said, score up with political points.

509
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<v Speaker 5>That's the only reason she said it. But you know

510
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<v Speaker 5>what you had. You had a segment of a while

511
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<v Speaker 5>back on customer service. People call and complain that they're

512
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<v Speaker 5>dealing with Comcast ever source utility cell phone. So if

513
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<v Speaker 5>somebody pushes me too far, I can do what that

514
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<v Speaker 5>guy did and say Elizabeth won, Hey, you know, I'm

515
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<v Speaker 5>paying two undred and fifty co pays, but by Orthopedi's appointment,

516
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<v Speaker 5>every time might go. But illegals get free health care.

517
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<v Speaker 5>Our governor is okay with that, My mayor is okay,

518
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<v Speaker 5>okay with that. Can I say, hey, you're pushing me

519
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<v Speaker 5>too far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's a road we don't want to go down.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're absolutely right, You're absolutely right, and she you congration. People. Look,

522
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:05.480
<v Speaker 2>people rationalize behavior. Most people rationalize their own behavior. When

523
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<v Speaker 2>I am frustrated at a light and the light has

524
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:11.039
<v Speaker 2>turned green, in the car in front of me, uh

525
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:13.880
<v Speaker 2>is still sitting at the green light, It's like, what

526
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<v Speaker 2>color do you want? It's green? Can we go? You know? Uh?

527
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<v Speaker 2>And I'll if someone says to me, my wife might

528
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:22.440
<v Speaker 2>say to me when I'm well, you know, they maybe

529
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.400
<v Speaker 2>they're thinking about something else and maybe no, you know,

530
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<v Speaker 2>that's fine, Okay, So I'm gonna but no, you're right,

531
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<v Speaker 2>that's Look, she's a phony. Okay, she's been a phone

532
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.519
<v Speaker 2>afforded from day one. But she but she knows how

533
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<v Speaker 2>to how to how to basically b s people. Uh

534
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<v Speaker 2>and and and that's what she did there. She saw

535
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<v Speaker 2>that as an opportunity to try to score some political

536
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:48.920
<v Speaker 2>points off off the cold blood and murder of of

537
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<v Speaker 2>of a person.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry she didcit thing a couple of years ago,

539
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<v Speaker 5>and it's got exactly how she put it. But she

540
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<v Speaker 5>said law enforcement in this country is racist. And I

541
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<v Speaker 5>want to say that. Show me the report that the

542
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:06.079
<v Speaker 5>study that says that. Yeah, but but these politicians that

543
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Speaker 5>get to say what they want and have no accountability

544
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<v Speaker 5>for it. Enough's enough. She needs to resign, no apology.

545
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<v Speaker 5>You got to go Democrat.

546
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<v Speaker 2>She won't.

547
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<v Speaker 5>She won't.

548
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<v Speaker 2>Basically, the voters, the voters of the mass in Massachusetts

549
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<v Speaker 2>get to get a chance to judge her every six years.

550
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<v Speaker 2>Where we're an overwhelmingly democratic state, the Republican Party has

551
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<v Speaker 2>has not produced strong contenders. Uh, they don't have a

552
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<v Speaker 2>deep bench. And and we're suffering as a result of

553
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<v Speaker 2>not having a com you know, most states around the country,

554
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<v Speaker 2>many states around the country have really two strong parties,

555
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<v Speaker 2>and if a Democrat isn't doing the job, they'll be

556
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<v Speaker 2>showing the door. Or if a Republican isn't doing this job,

557
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<v Speaker 2>good job, they'll be shown.

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<v Speaker 5>I just hope at least a reporter or somebody just

559
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<v Speaker 5>what you want to say puts her on the spot,

560
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.359
<v Speaker 5>just holds her accountable for her words, and she has

561
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<v Speaker 5>to fess up to it one way or Another's there's

562
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:00.920
<v Speaker 5>no there's no right there. She has to say how

563
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<v Speaker 5>wrong she was. At the very least, like I said,

564
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<v Speaker 5>enough's enough, Elizabeth Warren, you've gotta go, you gotta resign.

565
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<v Speaker 2>That might be a good bumper strip, Liz. Enough is enough.

566
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<v Speaker 2>Wean Hey, John, appreciate the call, Thank you much.

567
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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go next to Mike and Danvers if you

569
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<v Speaker 2>want to jump on about to try to get a

570
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<v Speaker 2>couple in here. Six one, seven thirty, Hey Mike, welcome

571
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<v Speaker 2>next on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 6>How are you a dan.

573
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<v Speaker 5>So?

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<v Speaker 6>I have a question in my own comment, Hi, I

575
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<v Speaker 6>have a question plus my own comment. Where are we

576
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<v Speaker 6>right now with the trial phrase or a pre trial

577
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<v Speaker 6>phrase or what I don't even know? Well, talking about the.

578
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<v Speaker 2>Guy who's in custody in Pennsylvania. All right, yess oh, well,

579
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 2>they're still in the investigation phase of this. I mean

580
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.639
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to gather as much a mindustance watching ABC

581
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:55.960
<v Speaker 2>night in the news tonight and maybe other networks had

582
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<v Speaker 2>it as well. But apparently a whole bunch of search

583
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.880
<v Speaker 2>warrants have been there executed or of being executed tonight.

584
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.000
<v Speaker 2>They want to get into his computer. I think what

585
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:06.800
<v Speaker 2>their concern is is was this guy truly a lone

586
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<v Speaker 2>wolf or was he acting with with anyone else in

587
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.000
<v Speaker 2>concert he had I think he had eight thousand dollars

588
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:18.360
<v Speaker 2>in the American cash on him US dollars, I don't

589
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:20.320
<v Speaker 2>know what denominations, and he had a couple of thousand

590
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.920
<v Speaker 2>dollars of European cash. There's a lot of money to

591
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<v Speaker 2>be walking around with.

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<v Speaker 6>So I don't know if his attorney's going to try this.

593
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<v Speaker 6>I mean, he could maybe try it for another any defense.

594
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<v Speaker 6>I think no win over near that, I'm sure, But

595
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<v Speaker 6>I think that I think this kid used this guy

596
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<v Speaker 6>as as a scapegoat. He was he was po about something,

597
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<v Speaker 6>maybe something else, and he and he used this.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's yeah, no, no, no, And you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right on the money. And obviously when

600
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<v Speaker 2>you talk about this, you talk about means, opportunity and

601
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<v Speaker 2>motive what they call in criminal defense work. What was

602
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<v Speaker 2>his back? You know what the means was it was

603
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:06.840
<v Speaker 2>a gun that he actually took with him from New York.

604
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<v Speaker 2>Apparently they've been able to link the gun to the

605
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<v Speaker 2>to the bullet casings that were on the ground, so

606
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<v Speaker 2>that's a problem for the kid. Opportunity, Yeah, the opportunity

607
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<v Speaker 2>was he got the guy shot him in the back

608
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<v Speaker 2>from fifteen twenty feet away. Coward that he was, you know,

609
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<v Speaker 2>and motive. Now, the question is what's the motive? Is

610
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<v Speaker 2>he they're saying that he's had all sorts of medical issues.

611
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<v Speaker 2>Does he feel that that the insurance companies didn't cover

612
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<v Speaker 2>some of his bills? I don't know, they'll find out

613
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<v Speaker 2>about that. But then the other thing the investigation is

614
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<v Speaker 2>looking at right now is was there anybody who helped

615
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<v Speaker 2>him in advance or anyone who helped him after it?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean this guy, yeah, yeah, he's.

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<v Speaker 2>He's what he's not immnsa candidate for him to basically,

618
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<v Speaker 2>I guess he was still wearing the same clothes or

619
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<v Speaker 2>or or similar clothes, and.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, right, no, no, no, no, you're you're you're

622
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<v Speaker 2>right on that. And the next part that they got

623
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<v Speaker 2>to they have to, you know, extradite him back to

624
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<v Speaker 2>New York. That's not a problem. All you do is

625
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<v Speaker 2>they they develop enough evidence, they have the Governor of

626
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<v Speaker 2>New York sign of governor's warrant that served on the

627
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<v Speaker 2>governor of Pennsylvania, and then he will instruct the district

628
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<v Speaker 2>attorney to turn this guy over physically to He could

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<v Speaker 2>have waived his rights and could have gone back on

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<v Speaker 2>his own, but he's just making it more more difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, no, the problem is that he's he's nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you have someone like Elizabeth Warren, are you

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<v Speaker 2>United States senator who either thinks she's so smart that

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<v Speaker 2>she somehow can link this and score political points off

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and people aren't gonna notice. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what's frustrating. She is our one of our two United

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<v Speaker 2>States senators and she's laughing stock tonight across the nation,

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<v Speaker 2>as are her voters. That people who voted for her.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't see her speech, but I've heard her in

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<v Speaker 6>the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you what I can play it for

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<v Speaker 2>you right now. I got enough time. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob just played this, so you know anybody's listening. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what she said about this yesterday. And then she

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<v Speaker 2>eventually backtracked on her she was on where else MSNBC

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<v Speaker 2>cut twenty rub.

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<v Speaker 3>So look terrible for individuals, but stop and think overall

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<v Speaker 3>about the social contract. Get a part of the deal

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<v Speaker 3>in how we've kept this democracy, this economy, this country

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<v Speaker 3>on a fairly steady path for more than two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>years has been that those at the top pay a

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<v Speaker 3>little more in taxes, are a little less rich than

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<v Speaker 3>they otherwise might be, and everybody else at least gets

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<v Speaker 3>a chance. And what happens when you turn this into

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<v Speaker 3>the billionaires run at all is they get the opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>to squeeze every last penny. Yeah, and look, we'll say

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<v Speaker 3>it over and over. Violence is never the answer of

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<v Speaker 3>this guy gets a trial who's allegedly killed the CEO

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<v Speaker 3>of United Health. But you can only push people so

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<v Speaker 3>far and then they start to take matters into their

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<v Speaker 3>own hands. Yeah, we need regulation in part to win

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<v Speaker 3>those guys in.

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<v Speaker 2>And then on Wednesday, basically she walked that back a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>And yeah, she did walk them back to lightly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, a little bit. So remember yeah, next time

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<v Speaker 2>she's up for reelection.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, have a good night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mike, thanks very much, appreciate you call. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>we come back. We're going to talk with eight. Thanks Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk with a criminologist. He's been a

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<v Speaker 2>guest on this show before, the same as doctor Scott Bond.

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<v Speaker 2>He focuses on some of the worst serial killers, imagine,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wanted to get him to talk about a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about Luigi Mangioni as well. In this case,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about both. He's a really interesting guest, and

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<v Speaker 2>then later on tonight we'll talk about those drones of

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<v Speaker 2>in New Jersey. I wonder why coming back on the Nightside.