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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered. Happy December.
Speaker 2: It's almost Christmas, and Christmas comes early today because I
Speaker 2: have a guest for you guys that I've been trying
Speaker 2: to get on this podcast for a long time, but
Speaker 2: just due to scheduling conflicts and the fact that she's
Speaker 2: not here in La you know, we had a bit
Speaker 2: of a tough time. But she's here now. I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: She is a.
Speaker 2: Buxome, beautiful cosplay nerd and she is a Browsers contract
Speaker 2: star as well as the host of next year's Avan
Speaker 2: Awards twenty twenty six. Welcome the beautiful Abigail Morris.
Speaker 3: Hi, thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm so excited to have you here as well.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that we could finally make this happen. I
Speaker 2: know it's been forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was like consistent blue balls, but yeah, I
Speaker 3: made it work.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: And like literally every week Mash would be like, when's
Speaker 2: Big Titty to Abigail war is coming on?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm working on it. That is my
Speaker 3: favorite nickname and it's used so often. It's in a city. Yeah,
Speaker 3: big titty Abigail. That's like so common. I love it.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, so you actually said that, like you
Speaker 2: started saving for a breast augmentation from like an early age. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so like this is obviously like, oh a nickname that
Speaker 2: you're okay with, Like, yeah, you were, you were, this
Speaker 2: is what you were after, Oh for sure.
Speaker 3: I always always make the joke like when people apologize
Speaker 3: because they were like not paying attention to my face,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I wouldn't have paid for them if I
Speaker 3: didn't want you to look at them. Yeah, like that's it.
Speaker 3: And I dress provocatively, like I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: When I dress the way I do and act the
Speaker 3: way I do, I love attention. So it's like but
Speaker 3: I'm also shy. It's very weird. But yeah. I got
Speaker 3: my first job when I was thirteen ish, and I
Speaker 3: would kind of like go on to movie sets and
Speaker 3: help with the caterers and kind of like cleaning up
Speaker 3: and things like that. Then I went into retail and
Speaker 3: worked at malls and did all of that, and I
Speaker 3: would like set a side money to side saving up
Speaker 3: because my like the whole thing started because my mom
Speaker 3: had a huge breath, okay, like the biggest breast like
Speaker 3: every seen in my life. I'm like, that is so cool,
Speaker 3: Like I want that, and they just never came. And
Speaker 3: then my younger sister had them, and she had like
Speaker 3: triple ds when she was fifteen, and I'm like, you
Speaker 3: were so pissed. Yeah, I was so pissed. I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm happy for you, but like, where are mine? Like
Speaker 3: I had my bee cups and I'm like they're just
Speaker 3: not like developing. And my sister, my older sister, had
Speaker 3: the same size boobs as me, and I was like
Speaker 3: so accepting of her having that, and I was like,
Speaker 3: it looks amazing on you, but it's not what I want.
Speaker 3: And so I just kept saving and saving. Turned eighteen
Speaker 3: and then literally left three days later to Columbia to
Speaker 3: get my boobs done. Wow, and then how did that
Speaker 3: first procedure go? Really well? I did fifty ccs and
Speaker 3: then I want it bigger. I was like, no, this
Speaker 3: is like it's not what I want. I want dramatic,
Speaker 3: like I wanted like the bimbo look. While knowing that
Speaker 3: I'm like not a bimbo. So I have like my
Speaker 3: bimbo side, which is very fun and cutz, and then
Speaker 3: I have like my intellectual side. And I think that
Speaker 3: they both exist in their own environment, and they both
Speaker 3: exist consecutively as well, like it's like its own thing.
Speaker 3: So I went back a year later I think it
Speaker 3: was a year later, and did a thousand ccs okay,
Speaker 3: and then two years after that, I did a fat
Speaker 3: transfer on top of that, and so now I think
Speaker 3: I'm at the size I want to be at. Okay,
Speaker 3: there you're good, where you're good. I'm finally happy. I'm
Speaker 3: like this is me, Like this is the me that
Speaker 3: I want to be, and I'm really happy.
Speaker 2: So you said that you have like your bimbo side
Speaker 2: and you have like your intellectual side. Do you ever
Speaker 2: have issues where people don't like take you seriously because
Speaker 2: you have big boobs or like, do you ever have
Speaker 2: that frustrating moment or is it just like one of
Speaker 2: those situations wire you're like, well, I'm too bad for
Speaker 2: you that you're so uneducated that you don't know what
Speaker 2: I'm actually like.
Speaker 3: I guess it sometimes comes up like in the OnlyFans Realm.
Speaker 3: Some people will just kind of like assume that that's
Speaker 3: like my one hundred percent bimbo side. And I think
Speaker 3: that the ones that think that are typically the ones
Speaker 3: that fetishize that. So I don't have an issue with that,
Speaker 3: Like I can very much play into that if it's
Speaker 3: that's what they're into. But in real life scenarios, like
Speaker 3: I think I just carry myself in a way that
Speaker 3: people don't assume that that's like my reality. I definitely
Speaker 3: carry myself differently on like a day to day basis
Speaker 3: versus like when I'm turned on or horny or in
Speaker 3: that mood, then that's a very different side of me
Speaker 3: that like checks in, like it's just only sex and
Speaker 3: sexuality and like passion and everything is in my brain.
Speaker 3: Then yeah, all smartness kind of just goes out the window. Right,
Speaker 3: it's like dick drunk. But then when I'm in my
Speaker 3: day to day life, like, yeah, I know, I definitely
Speaker 3: act quite a bit differently. Well.
Speaker 2: I think also too, like today's Cornstar is so different
Speaker 2: than it was like twenty years ago, because you could
Speaker 2: be like just a bimbo with big boobs and like
Speaker 2: do really well because you didn't really have to do
Speaker 2: any work. On your own, right, Like you didn't have
Speaker 2: to do your own marketing.
Speaker 3: You just got hired.
Speaker 2: By companies and then you shot and maybe you were
Speaker 2: lucky enough to be a contract star.
Speaker 3: But these days, because so.
Speaker 2: Many performers make money independently, right and they run their
Speaker 2: own you know, OnlyFans and other like personal content platforms,
Speaker 2: they like have to be good at marketing. Like almost
Speaker 2: every successful porn star out there has got a great
Speaker 2: head for marketing.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, or marketing or in some way like numbers or
Speaker 3: like the ability to talk to people in a specific way.
Speaker 3: Like everything ties back to some sort of background or
Speaker 3: history of knowing how to handle yourself in a level
Speaker 3: headed way for the most part. Yeah, and so yeah,
Speaker 3: that's definitely something like a huge misconception people have. It's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: porn stars, it's so easy. You go on set and
Speaker 3: you do that and you're done, and it's not like
Speaker 3: if you want to build a name for yourself and
Speaker 3: build your career and actually turn into something like super successful,
Speaker 3: there's so much backstory to that now, and there's like
Speaker 3: building social media, doing reels, doing tiktoks, like answering messages,
Speaker 3: answering emails, doing cross promotion, Like there's no shortage of things,
Speaker 3: and like I get a ton of messages and emails
Speaker 3: where people are like, how do you not have time
Speaker 3: to respond? You shoot on on set and you're done.
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is a twenty four to seven job.
Speaker 3: You're literally like you're working from the moment you wake
Speaker 3: up until the moment you go to bed, and then
Speaker 3: you go to bed and you wake up and you
Speaker 3: do it all again. Yeah, and there is no stopping,
Speaker 3: Like even on vacation, you can still get those emails,
Speaker 3: you can still get those work things, and so you're
Speaker 3: just constantly working. People don't realize how much work it
Speaker 3: actually it is, and I love it, Like it's not
Speaker 3: a complaint on my part. I wouldn't choose anything else
Speaker 3: over this. Yeah, but it's a lot more work than
Speaker 3: people realize. It is what takes the most amount of
Speaker 3: your time. I think it used to be like content
Speaker 3: creating for sure, and then now it's more admin works.
Speaker 3: So now it's kind of like fixing my schedule for
Speaker 3: the content creating. And I still like I always want
Speaker 3: to prioritize like my fans and paying attention to them,
Speaker 3: So calls with the fans and videos for the fans
Speaker 3: or things like that, and kind of just like building
Speaker 3: those relationships takes a massive amount of time. But I
Speaker 3: would say admin work is the most about answering emails,
Speaker 3: arranging my schedule, figure out when I'm traveling for what
Speaker 3: conventions do I need to go to, what cosplace do
Speaker 3: I need to create, what do I need to build
Speaker 3: for this? It's like a bunch of the back the
Speaker 3: background is what takes most of my time. Now.
Speaker 2: Now, you mentioned that you want to always set aside
Speaker 2: time for your fans, and you've said previously that like
Speaker 2: you really enjoy interacting with your fans. Do you have
Speaker 2: any like particular scenarios that pop up in your head
Speaker 2: that were like really meaningful moments.
Speaker 3: A couple I think one that really like always stuck
Speaker 3: with me. So I've always been very open about the
Speaker 3: fact that I'm into women. I'm very much fifty to
Speaker 3: fifty seventy thirty. I have like a female preference. I've
Speaker 3: had my girlfriend since I was seventeen, and I'm very
Speaker 3: open about that. Are you still with her? Yes, we're
Speaker 3: still together. Wow, She's amazing. She's the love of my life.
Speaker 3: But at Comic cond there was a girl that had
Speaker 3: came and seen me like three years in a row
Speaker 3: when I was there cosplaying, and it was like the
Speaker 3: third year she actually came there like to come out
Speaker 3: to me, like before she came out to her family.
Speaker 3: And that's like a really sweet moment for me. And
Speaker 3: like she's not familiar with the porn Abigail at all.
Speaker 3: She's familiar with the cosplay Abigail, the nerd Abigail, and
Speaker 3: like she had like mustered up the courage and pulled
Speaker 3: me to the side and she was like, can I
Speaker 3: talk to you? Like this is really important to me,
Speaker 3: and she was like, I don't know how to tell
Speaker 3: my mom, and then she wanted to like just come
Speaker 3: out and like have this whole, in depth conversation. And
Speaker 3: that's one of those things that like it feels very
Speaker 3: special that you have the moment to be there for
Speaker 3: somebody to support them in that environment. And I think
Speaker 3: that's like one side of the enjoyment. And then there's
Speaker 3: people that they're like they're shaking and they're so excited
Speaker 3: to meet you, and they just like they come to
Speaker 3: these events and they talk to you and like you
Speaker 3: can tell that it's just making their whole day and
Speaker 3: I've been like around other performers that they feel like
Speaker 3: it's a chore to meet their friends, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't see it that way, Like I'm excited to
Speaker 3: be there, and everybody like at convinces they're like, do
Speaker 3: you want to take a lunch break? Do you want
Speaker 3: a water brick? Do you want this? Do you want that?
Speaker 3: I'm like and leave them. They're waiting for an hour. No, Like,
Speaker 3: let me take a bite of a granola bart and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna run back out there and I'm gonna just
Speaker 3: like keep going because it's like it's thrilling for me,
Speaker 3: Like I can go from eight in the morning until
Speaker 3: eight at night and like not get tired because it's
Speaker 3: like seeing the smile on their face and like the
Speaker 3: excitement and like the just sincere joy of like getting
Speaker 3: to meet you. It's like it's really heartfelt, Like it's amazing.
Speaker 2: So how did the girl who was like kind of
Speaker 2: awkward when she you know, you've mentioned that you're kind
Speaker 2: of awkward and not that outgoing, Like how did that
Speaker 2: girl become like the superstar Abigail Morris Browsers contract star
Speaker 2: host of the Avian Awards, Like, how did that transition happen.
Speaker 3: Are you still that person? Oh? Yeah, Like outside of
Speaker 3: the work realm a million percent. I am shy and awkward.
Speaker 3: Like I feel like when I go into my work environment,
Speaker 3: something clicks and like there's like this sort of like
Speaker 3: confidence that's there, and then outside of that, it's like
Speaker 3: I'm still awkward. I don't know. If I'm on the
Speaker 3: phone and I have to have a conversation and I
Speaker 3: stutter in the first word, I'll hang up, wait a
Speaker 3: few minutes, and call back. That way I can have
Speaker 3: the conversation without the mistake there of what you'll be like, oh,
Speaker 3: start disconnected. Yeah. If I'm at a restaurant and I
Speaker 3: realize I can't pronounce like whatever food I was going
Speaker 3: to eat, I'll change to a different meal, so that
Speaker 3: way have to sound silly. I tried playing Roulette at
Speaker 3: a casino not too long ago. I'm not a gambler.
Speaker 3: It was just, you know, trying something new, and I
Speaker 3: got so nervous I walked away. Like I am very
Speaker 3: shy and awkward and antisocial outside of my work environment,
Speaker 3: But if you put me on a set in front
Speaker 3: of people, that's like I feel at home, Like I
Speaker 3: feel like I can rule the whole world, like while
Speaker 3: I'm on set, and then put me in an environment
Speaker 3: where I have to talk to people and I'm like,
Speaker 3: never mind, Can I go home? Like I don't want
Speaker 3: to be here. This is terrible. Bring me to a party.
Speaker 3: I'm sitting in a corner. Don't be afraid to come
Speaker 3: talk to me. I look like a bitch, but I
Speaker 3: promise I'm not. I'm scared to stand up and trip
Speaker 3: and fall or talk awkwardly or stutter like it's just shy.
Speaker 3: Abigail is very much still prominent in my life. So
Speaker 3: why do you think that, like the other side of
Speaker 3: you comes out at work? Like what is it about
Speaker 3: porn that like brings that out in you? I just
Speaker 3: work for the cosplay world because I know they yeah,
Speaker 3: and it comes out in both of those environments. But
Speaker 3: I feel like just embracing, like that side of me
Speaker 3: just feels so empowering that it like overpowers the shy side.
Speaker 3: So the shy side is first, You're still there. If
Speaker 3: somebody compliments me while I'm at a convention, like I
Speaker 3: stutter and blush and it's just like people are like,
Speaker 3: how do you blush when people compliment? You all the time,
Speaker 3: and I'm like it just it just happens, like it's
Speaker 3: just me. I was homeschooled, Like I'm not used to
Speaker 3: that like day to day interaction of like talking to
Speaker 3: people or joking with people or I wasn't I am now,
Speaker 3: And so it's one of those things that I guess
Speaker 3: I just never really like moved on from. And so
Speaker 3: when I'm in an environment that like I'm empowering like
Speaker 3: the things inside of me that I want to show off,
Speaker 3: I think that it just has a different feeling for me,
Speaker 3: and it just feel like, like I said, like I
Speaker 3: could rule the world. And then outside of that, when
Speaker 3: I'm not like embracing or really pushing the things that
Speaker 3: I feel empowered by, I'm just like shy and you know,
Speaker 3: cute and want to hide and not talk to anybody.
Speaker 2: So I know that we like mentioned this briefly when
Speaker 2: we did like that short interview Avian a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago. But you grew up in a polyamorous family, right,
Speaker 2: with nine siblings. Nine siblings, that's which is pretty extraordinary.
Speaker 2: So how did your upbringing shape of your views on
Speaker 2: love and relationships and do you think it gives you
Speaker 2: like a unique perspective on navigating the adult industry and
Speaker 2: its relationship dynamics because there's a lot of polyamorous people
Speaker 2: in the adult industry, which I guess is not really surprising, Yeah, right, not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the beauty of polyamory is that
Speaker 3: there's no right way to do it. I mean, I
Speaker 3: guess the right way would be with honesty, but outside
Speaker 3: of that, yeah, there is no right way to do it.
Speaker 3: Like there's triads, there's like open relationships. There's like no
Speaker 3: correct way to do poly For my parents, like their
Speaker 3: way was they brought other people into their relationship, but
Speaker 3: they knew at the end of the day that was
Speaker 3: their home relationship, that was their base relationship, and they
Speaker 3: would bring in other people like depending on what they
Speaker 3: needed in the moment, or what their relationship wanted, or
Speaker 3: just kind of just who they liked, and so they
Speaker 3: would have long term relationships or they would have short
Speaker 3: term relationships, and they would just kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: let it happen how happened. And one of the things
Speaker 3: that I think that that shaped for me relationship wise,
Speaker 3: is like I didn't grow up with like the societal
Speaker 3: feeling of jealousy, like that feeling of you have to
Speaker 3: own your partner or feel possessive of your partner, Like
Speaker 3: I don't want to put my partner in jail. That's
Speaker 3: not my idea. Like I want to see them happy,
Speaker 3: and if that's the case, I want to see them
Speaker 3: happy doing whatever it is that makes them happy. So
Speaker 3: if my girlfriend wants to go out and have sex
Speaker 3: with another man, that's so hot, Like that is just
Speaker 3: so hot to me, I'm like, Okay, come back and
Speaker 3: tell me about it later while I'm going down on you.
Speaker 3: And or if like we have a partner, a male partner,
Speaker 3: and if he goes out and is with other women,
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is just amazing. Or sometimes we do
Speaker 3: it all together and it's just for me, Like I
Speaker 3: want to see that enjoyment with them in every way.
Speaker 3: And a lot of people have had that conversation with
Speaker 3: me where they feel the same way, but they're like,
Speaker 3: as long as it's just sex, and for me, it's
Speaker 3: not that way. Like I am. I believe that you
Speaker 3: can fall in love with more than one people, And
Speaker 3: I believe that because I feel that way. I feel
Speaker 3: equally love for mine and my girlfriend's partner and her
Speaker 3: and there's no like, there's no picking one over the other,
Speaker 3: Like I love them both fully, so I know that
Speaker 3: that's possible because I feel it. So there's no worry
Speaker 3: for me, like, oh my god, if they fall in
Speaker 3: love with somebody else, are they going to leave me?
Speaker 3: I think, if you're in my life, it's because you
Speaker 3: to be, and if you choose to not be in
Speaker 3: my life, it wasn't meant to be to begin with.
Speaker 3: There's no need of feeling jealousy. You're either here because
Speaker 3: you want to be or you're not here because you
Speaker 3: don't want to be. And if I felt like possessive
Speaker 3: or jealous about that, then I don't think that's healthy
Speaker 3: in any way for myself or them.
Speaker 2: I mean, I find that like most people who experience
Speaker 2: a lot of jealousy in their relationship. I mean, let's
Speaker 2: be honest, it stems from insecurity, which stems from something
Speaker 2: else like within you that probably needs to be looked
Speaker 2: at seriously, because I am actually so, I'm in a
Speaker 2: monogamous relationship with my husband, but like, there's no jealousy
Speaker 2: in our relationship either, Like and this is you know,
Speaker 2: I especially compare this to the first marriage that I
Speaker 2: had where he was very possessive and like very like
Speaker 2: he did not like me having male friends, whereas like
Speaker 2: my current husband like doesn't care, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like he's always trusted me. He's never exhibited any signs
Speaker 2: of jealousy. We've never had that problem. I feel the
Speaker 2: same way, like he has female friends, Like it doesn't
Speaker 2: bother me at all. And so I think that, yeah,
Speaker 2: jealousy doesn't have to always just exist like be an
Speaker 2: issue in you know, or come.
Speaker 3: Up in polyamorous relationship. For sure.
Speaker 2: It's so often actually probably comes up more monogamous relationships
Speaker 2: because I think people are so afraid of losing their partner.
Speaker 2: And you know, we've structured ourselves to only have one person, right,
Speaker 2: and that's the only person. So if you lose that
Speaker 2: one person, you just start all over again and find
Speaker 2: a one person again.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think also too that like people try to
Speaker 2: put too much on one person, you know. I think girls, especially,
Speaker 2: we grow up with this idea of like the handsome
Speaker 2: prince who's going to like rescue them. You know, if
Speaker 2: you watch the old if you're as old as me
Speaker 2: and you watch the old Disney movies, the new Disney
Speaker 2: movies are not like that, but the old one.
Speaker 3: But the old ones are you.
Speaker 2: Know, like distrust exactly, like the handsome Prince is going
Speaker 2: to come rescue you. And I think we try to
Speaker 2: put like too much on one person like this one
Speaker 2: person has to satisfy all of my needs, my sexual needs,
Speaker 2: emotional needs, like you know, financial needs, like and I
Speaker 2: don't know, I feel like that's a lot of pressure
Speaker 2: to put on one person.
Speaker 3: It is. I feel like it's very unhealthy for the
Speaker 3: relationship or even just try and like suffocate that person
Speaker 3: and take all of their time. And like, for me,
Speaker 3: I'm very much a person that I love my space.
Speaker 3: I love my space, and I'm in a very physical
Speaker 3: work environment. So if I'm physical with somebody all day
Speaker 3: long or like giving my all all day long, sometimes
Speaker 3: I want to come home and I don't want that.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be on top of somebody or
Speaker 3: have somebody all over me. And I think for myself personally,
Speaker 3: having two partners satisfies a lot of that for me
Speaker 3: because if they're feeling like they want that they have
Speaker 3: each other, Like at the end of the day, if
Speaker 3: I have to travel for long periods of time, and
Speaker 3: they're not coming with me. They have each other. They're
Speaker 3: never alone. If our partner is traveling and he can't
Speaker 3: be around for a lot of time, we have each other.
Speaker 3: So nobody is left with that, like that responsibility of
Speaker 3: carrying the entire relationship. If one of us is incapable
Speaker 3: of doing it in the moment, somebody else picks up
Speaker 3: the slat and if they can't, then the other person does.
Speaker 3: And there's like no short of like love to go around.
Speaker 3: Everybody's there for everybody all the time, and if somebody
Speaker 3: can't be there, somebody else is there to kind of
Speaker 3: just pick it up in the moment. And for me,
Speaker 3: that's very beautiful because like, like I said, I need
Speaker 3: my space. And we have threpple room where we have
Speaker 3: megabed and it's two giant king beds because we all
Speaker 3: love to cuddle, but we all love our space. So
Speaker 3: we snuggle for the first half hour and then everybody
Speaker 3: spreads out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know those people who like sleep like entangled with
Speaker 2: each other. I'm like, who does that? Nobody king sides,
Speaker 2: But we're all on the opposite sides of the bed.
Speaker 2: We're like good night, kiss, snuggle, hug and then it's like,
Speaker 2: get the fuck away from me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we did. See. Yeah, it's you.
Speaker 2: Get hot and then one person moves and then wake
Speaker 2: you warm, like yeah, exactly, your arms like under someone
Speaker 2: it falls asleep like oh yeah, not.
Speaker 3: Work, no no. So we have megabed and then we
Speaker 3: each have our own individual room. So we have our
Speaker 3: own individual space where you know, if we don't want megabed,
Speaker 3: we go sleep by ourself. Like everybody is their own
Speaker 3: individual person at home, and I think that's why it works.
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Speaker 2: So you went from crunching numbers at a solar company, right,
Speaker 2: so like data analysts, which is probably also like contributes
Speaker 2: to your success in your current career because like we
Speaker 2: said earlier about marketing to slipping into latex suits at
Speaker 2: comic Con. So how did that transition happen? And when did?
Speaker 2: Was the moment that you realized cosplay wasn't just a
Speaker 2: hobby but could also be a career path.
Speaker 3: So I got into the solar company environment just as
Speaker 3: like a job, like an office job, like for sustainability
Speaker 3: and to you know, have an income. I wanted a
Speaker 3: real job and a real income. A real job is
Speaker 3: a real job, you guys, you just have a real job.
Speaker 3: But I was seventeen, Yeah, like I didn't know better,
Speaker 3: Like I just you know, my mom had done amateur porn.
Speaker 3: Like different things had happened, but I knew that like
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, what society wanted was
Speaker 3: a real job, and I tried it and I hated it.
Speaker 3: I was miserable. But I was going to comic Con
Speaker 3: as a fan, going to buy comic books or buy
Speaker 3: collectibles or just enjoy it. And then I would see
Speaker 3: other cosplayers, I'm like, that's so cool. Like I wanted
Speaker 3: to do it for myself. So I started doing it
Speaker 3: for myself, and I amassed like a huge following at
Speaker 3: these conventions of people that were like, do you have
Speaker 3: an only fence? Is there somewhere that I can pay
Speaker 3: to see more? Is there somewhere I can do this
Speaker 3: and do that? And I'm like, I'm curious just to
Speaker 3: see how that can actually develop into something bigger.
Speaker 2: So so weat questions. So, okay, so you start dressing
Speaker 2: up and going to comic Con. Are you just walking
Speaker 2: the floor and people are coming up to you or
Speaker 2: did you end up getting a booth like I was
Speaker 2: just walking the floor at that time, okay, so then
Speaker 2: people would recognize you from the previous year just walking
Speaker 2: the floor, just walking the floor, okay.
Speaker 3: And it started like that and then it just kept
Speaker 3: building and like into something bigger. And I think it
Speaker 3: was around my second year doing it, like doing it
Speaker 3: on the bigger scale that I was like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna start an only fence and see what happens. And
Speaker 3: it just kind of like blew up. And I was
Speaker 3: making more on only fans than I was making in
Speaker 3: a whole year on an office job. And I was,
Speaker 3: this is miserable. What Like I'm going here and I'm
Speaker 3: working eight to ten hours a day, working overtime on holidays,
Speaker 3: like everything, like going there in the snow when I'm
Speaker 3: sick like whatever, like forcing this this ethical real job
Speaker 3: all the time, and I'm miserable. And I hated it.
Speaker 3: And I started on Instagram, started an only fence, and
Speaker 3: it just like blew up. And obviously there's like work
Speaker 3: that goes into that, but the first like one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand followers was just like overnight, Like I
Speaker 3: just didn't expect that to happen. And once I realized
Speaker 3: that I was making more money from that than my
Speaker 3: office job, I put in my two weeks and I'm
Speaker 3: just like I'm out, Like this is what I want
Speaker 3: to pursue, Like I can do what I love and
Speaker 3: what I'm passionate about and just like live off of that,
Speaker 3: and it's amazing and it's empowering for other women too
Speaker 3: because they don't have to work in those office jobs
Speaker 3: like that. If you have like the willpower and like
Speaker 3: the ability to market yourself the right way, why do
Speaker 3: you need to work in an environment where you're miserable?
Speaker 3: Like my whole point in my whole life has been
Speaker 3: like I'm going to do what makes me happy and
Speaker 3: that's it. Like that's the end of story. And if
Speaker 3: I'm not happy doing it, I'm not gonna do it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just don't want to. I don't want to live
Speaker 3: a life where I'm unhappy or miserable or sad or
Speaker 3: stressed out all the time. While this work can be
Speaker 3: stressful in some ways, it's a way that I'm fully
Speaker 3: okay with versus killing myself in a job every single day,
Speaker 3: eight to ten hours a day Like this is this
Speaker 3: is my life and I fucking love it.
Speaker 2: And ultimately, like for somebody else, I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 2: I doubt they gave you like equity and the solar company.
Speaker 3: No, right, yeah, now just at all?
Speaker 2: So would so on that note, what would your advice
Speaker 2: be to like young girls looking to potentially get into
Speaker 2: the industry.
Speaker 3: I would say, just be yourself, Like, don't go into
Speaker 3: it trying to be somebody or not, because then you're
Speaker 3: gonna have to keep up that facade throughout your entire
Speaker 3: career and you're not going to be happy. Don't do
Speaker 3: anything you don't want to do. I know a lot
Speaker 3: of girls that they get in with the wrong agent
Speaker 3: and they try and push them to be something they're
Speaker 3: not or push them past their boundaries. Don't do that.
Speaker 3: I did it without an agent from the very beginning.
Speaker 3: Do what makes you happy. Do what you want to do,
Speaker 3: and if you don't want to do it, don't force
Speaker 3: yourself to do it, because you're not going to be
Speaker 3: happy in this industry if you're doing what everybody else
Speaker 3: wants you to do. Can't take it back. You can't.
Speaker 3: Once it's done, it's done. It's there forever.
Speaker 2: Would have been some of your favorite cosplay loooks and
Speaker 2: what was maybe the most challenging one? Ooh.
Speaker 3: I think my favorite was either my Moleficent or my Starfire.
Speaker 3: I love both of those. The Maleficent was difficult. I
Speaker 3: think that was one of the most difficult ones because
Speaker 3: trying to like make big wings work and a convention
Speaker 3: like that is complicated. You're like poking somebody here, or
Speaker 3: a feathers fall off, or like somebody bumps in and
Speaker 3: breaks it. Like there's like a million different ways that
Speaker 3: it can go wrong, but still that one had to
Speaker 3: be like my favorite. I had like the big staff
Speaker 3: and like the big horns and the war years ago.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, because my daughter wanted to be sleeping Beauty.
Speaker 3: I did not have wings though, you know, fucking way
Speaker 3: was I gonna do that. It's hard. Yeah, my girlfriend
Speaker 3: was sleeping beauty, and so we did like a little
Speaker 3: couple's costume. And when I did Starfire, she did raven
Speaker 3: We typically like to coordinate, and I think those two
Speaker 3: are my favorite. One I'm dying to do and I
Speaker 3: will at some point as I want to do a
Speaker 3: I want to do Carnage and she's going to do Venom.
Speaker 3: So we want to get somebody that's like really good
Speaker 3: with latex, and we want to do it basically newd
Speaker 3: or like in a song and like broad type situation
Speaker 3: and cover it with like painted latex and have it
Speaker 3: ripped throughout the body then like fake blood and like
Speaker 3: the big head piece but like our head and then
Speaker 3: the head piece over and just like like a full
Speaker 3: blown carnage and venom, which is very hard to do
Speaker 3: because finding somebody that's that skilled with latex is very complicated.
Speaker 3: But that's my goal one day.
Speaker 2: How do you get through because some of these things
Speaker 2: can take like hours to put on, Like how do
Speaker 2: you get through that time?
Speaker 3: I don't really have a process or a method. I
Speaker 3: just wake up and do what I gotta do. I
Speaker 3: don't know, there's no like real thought process behind it.
Speaker 3: Like I know, the night before I have everything set out,
Speaker 3: I wake up and I'm just like, Okay, we're doing
Speaker 3: this and that's it, Like there's no real do you
Speaker 3: just want process? Cry?
Speaker 2: Don't you want to like just not take it off though?
Speaker 2: Because it was so much work to put it on?
Speaker 2: Oh Like even when I wash my face at night,
Speaker 2: after I get my makeup done, I'm like vibe like
Speaker 2: I'm sad because it's.
Speaker 3: Like for me, it's like taking off a bra when
Speaker 3: you get home. It's just like it all needs to
Speaker 3: come off, like it just needs to. But after conventions,
Speaker 3: like you've been in physical contact with so many people, Okay,
Speaker 3: you just want to take everything off? Like I want
Speaker 3: to take my skin off after convention, I just want
Speaker 3: to restart, like start fresh the next day. Yeah, So
Speaker 3: for me, I can't wait to get it all off.
Speaker 3: What are some of your favorite comics? So, I think,
Speaker 3: in my personal opinion, DC comics are superior to Marvel comics.
Speaker 3: Marvel movies are insanely better, like way better. So I
Speaker 3: mean in general, like just the DC comics, they're they're
Speaker 3: on the darker side than Marvel, but I think they
Speaker 3: just like they captivate you in a different way. They're
Speaker 3: more enthralling, like you can go through the whole story
Speaker 3: and like a lot of the emotions they portray and
Speaker 3: it just feel very relatable. And then Marvel kind of
Speaker 3: like brings out the humorous side while also tackling like
Speaker 3: heavy topics, and I think that they kind of, I
Speaker 3: don't know, they relate to me in different ways, Like
Speaker 3: I have my dorky side and I have my serious side,
Speaker 3: and I think they kind of saytiate both of those needs.
Speaker 3: So Deadpool kills the Marvel universes obviously like my favorite.
Speaker 3: And I think like bringing that sort of humor, I
Speaker 3: don't know, bringing that sort of humor into something so
Speaker 3: dark is just like it's fascinating to me.
Speaker 2: And then have you said that Thanos is the love
Speaker 2: of my life?
Speaker 3: Okay, so why is that? Oh, he just gives off
Speaker 3: daddy vibes, like the thing the way to say it, Like,
Speaker 3: didn't he like destroy the universe or like vanishippins people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he did both of those things, killed his stepdaughter.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 3: Daddy vibes for sure. I just I also don't feel
Speaker 3: like he was entirely wrong, and the opinion of how
Speaker 3: he did things, I think it was population control right
Speaker 3: in a way. I think he went about it the
Speaker 3: wrong way. And I think that if you've watched the
Speaker 3: movies and read the comics, you'll see that like in
Speaker 3: the beginning, whenever he was first going through and like
Speaker 3: making these decisions, it was actually from place of maturity
Speaker 3: and like a place of actually trying to have good intentions.
Speaker 3: In the end, once he was already mad that everybody
Speaker 3: kept stopping him, then it was just like he was like,
Speaker 3: I'm doing this out of spite. Now, then I think
Speaker 3: he was wrong. But when he actually had like a
Speaker 3: sound mind about it and was making his plan of
Speaker 3: you know, destroying half of the universe, I feel like
Speaker 3: there was you know, good intentions, but I good intentions
Speaker 3: and he looked attractive while doing it.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: As long as he's hot, you can destroy the universe,
Speaker 3: that's what you can. Just you, cat, I would have
Speaker 3: let him snap me away, to be completely honest.
Speaker 2: Now, you've always been very intentional about your career moves.
Speaker 2: So what made you finally say yes to brassers after
Speaker 2: turning them down at eighteen?
Speaker 3: I don't know. At the in the moment, like I
Speaker 3: had said no, not because I didn't want to do porn,
Speaker 3: but I felt like I wasn't ready and I didn't
Speaker 3: want to jump and make a rash decision about something
Speaker 3: that I wasn't one hundred percent sure how I felt
Speaker 3: about it yet, So I wanted to take time and
Speaker 3: like really look inside myself and see that that was
Speaker 3: what I wanted to do, and then also build career
Speaker 3: because I didn't want to like go into it with
Speaker 3: no name and like no nothing to fall back on,
Speaker 3: because like you said, once that's out there, that's out there,
Speaker 3: and I wanted to make sure that was really what
Speaker 3: I wanted to do. And it was like once I
Speaker 3: started doing it, like I fell in love with it
Speaker 3: in a way that just like like I knew I
Speaker 3: was gonna love it, but I fell in love with
Speaker 3: this so much deeper than I thought I would. And
Speaker 3: I think the thing that finally finally made me say
Speaker 3: yes was it's a safe environment for me to get
Speaker 3: out all of my slutty tendencies. Like it's what environment
Speaker 3: is safer for you to do that? Like meeting guys
Speaker 3: off of tender or in bars is so dangerous in
Speaker 3: so many ways, and in this like people are tested people.
Speaker 3: There's boundary checklists, Like you can say I want you
Speaker 3: to do all of this to me and not this,
Speaker 3: and they don't cross that line, and if they do
Speaker 3: cross that line, you just tap like this and then
Speaker 3: they're like, oh shit, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to
Speaker 3: do that. Like it's nobody argues over it. There's no
Speaker 3: back and forth, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: there's no strings attached. I can go home and nobody's
Speaker 3: creepy and nobody's weird, and it's like, it's a safe
Speaker 3: environment for me to just be my sluttiest self and
Speaker 3: explore the craziest fantasies. What do you think has been
Speaker 3: your favorite scene that you've shot for Browsers so far?
Speaker 3: My cage didn't come hungry blowbang Oh, okay, tell us
Speaker 3: a little bit about that. So the premise is basically
Speaker 3: that I was too horny to exist outside of my
Speaker 3: cage because I just wanted to fuck everybody, which is
Speaker 3: pretty like me. So they caged me up and then
Speaker 3: brought out a bunch of peasinesses and all I was
Speaker 3: allowed to do was suck them through the cage. So
Speaker 3: we did some like feet fucking, some like throat fucking,
Speaker 3: some like hand jobs and everything, all while I'm in
Speaker 3: this like shark cage. It's like this huge cage, and
Speaker 3: then eventually they let me out and you know, you
Speaker 3: suck everybody and it's amazing. It's like just so thrilling
Speaker 3: and empowering, like you can just take on all of
Speaker 3: these people and it's just it's so cool. However, I
Speaker 3: will admit that that was one of the horniest days
Speaker 3: of my life, and I was very upset that I
Speaker 3: didn't get fucked. That was very, very, very very upset.
Speaker 3: I was like, why, Like she's being neglected, Like blow
Speaker 3: bangs are terrible. For that reason, everything above the waist
Speaker 3: was say shaded. I was so happy, and everything below
Speaker 3: the waist was like, why why are you doing this
Speaker 3: to me? But I think the premise of like kind
Speaker 3: of showing that part of my sexuality was amazing, like
Speaker 3: showing like the feral side of it, because at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, like when I when I'm in
Speaker 3: sexual mode, I have my cute team you know, do
Speaker 3: things to me mode, and then I have the one
Speaker 3: where I'm like I'm going for it, like I'm fucking
Speaker 3: going for it, and I'm all in and I'm going
Speaker 3: to do whatever the hell it is because when I'm horny,
Speaker 3: my boundaries are very minimal, and so like exploring that
Speaker 3: on camera was very exciting for me.
Speaker 2: Your debut Brawsers was basically like your kind of was
Speaker 2: your first mainstream set. So what was the first day
Speaker 2: on set? Like, like was it because before that you
Speaker 2: don't been doing amateur.
Speaker 3: Stuff for your only fans? Is just only fans? Yeah,
Speaker 3: So then like how how was being on your first
Speaker 3: professional set? Like was it what you expected? Yeah? Actually,
Speaker 3: like going into it, I think I had a pretty
Speaker 3: fair expectation. I was so nervous, like I felt like
Speaker 3: I was going to pass out, But then I got
Speaker 3: to set and everybody was just so sweet, like everybody
Speaker 3: was really nice. The makeup artist was really nice, Like
Speaker 3: they did a little kind of interview on set beforehand
Speaker 3: to kind of just ease the tension in the room.
Speaker 3: And then the male talent couldn't have been more like
Speaker 3: helpful in the situation, Like he could tell how nervous
Speaker 3: I was, and he was like, here we can. You
Speaker 3: don't have a conversation. It's not like you have to
Speaker 3: go in and just like stay separate from each other
Speaker 3: until camera starts. Like you can actually build chemistry and
Speaker 3: you know, feel something in the scene. Who was the
Speaker 3: guy Quinton James.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's lovely, seven inches with a curve. I've had
Speaker 2: him on my podcast. That's what we titled the episode.
Speaker 3: Really well, it was his idea, that's what he said.
Speaker 3: He's so sweet. I remember walking on set and everybody
Speaker 3: was giving their ideas and he pulled out a picture
Speaker 3: of his dick and he was like, this is one
Speaker 3: of my ideas. They were like, we can't use that.
Speaker 3: We're not using that. It was amazing. He was so funny.
Speaker 3: It was honestly, like, that's still one of my favorite memories.
Speaker 3: It's just kind of like all of the nerves and
Speaker 3: everything and then the release on camera was just so.
Speaker 2: Cool, and then you afterwards signed as an exclusive contract star,
Speaker 2: which you still are. What responsibilities, privileges and pressures come
Speaker 2: with that title.
Speaker 3: I don't feel a lot of pressure, to be completely honest.
Speaker 3: I know that it seems like that would be weird,
Speaker 3: but like for me, I've wrapped the brand from before
Speaker 3: I was exclusive. Like I wear Browsers merch, I don't
Speaker 3: wear other companies merch. I you know, promote the brand
Speaker 3: in every way, and I did all of that before
Speaker 3: I was contracted, So my responsibilities didn't really change much.
Speaker 3: And in terms of not shooting with other companies, I
Speaker 3: really wasn't. I only shot with like, I think two
Speaker 3: other companies, and there was one scene here and one
Speaker 3: scene there, and one was a sister company of Browsers,
Speaker 3: So it really wasn't that big of a difference, So
Speaker 3: my responsibilities didn't really change. Uh No, Yes, it was
Speaker 3: twisties and then sex like real worth, the one that
Speaker 3: the one that you shot me that was me, guys.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: I seemed so much. That girl was so cute that
Speaker 4: we shot with too. The door day right, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: she was a door. She was so funny too. It
Speaker 4: was amazing. Is she still working? Like I feel like
Speaker 4: I haven't seen her around lately.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen her anything like I thought she like.
Speaker 2: I just remember when we started, like the scene and
Speaker 2: she just started her acting was so good.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, she was so enthusiastic
Speaker 3: and the was just she was like the total bimbo.
Speaker 3: She was so funny. Oh my god, it was amazing.
Speaker 3: She was so cute and she was she was like
Speaker 3: talking beforehand because I was like, I was nervous to
Speaker 3: get like dirty talking out. She was just a fuck
Speaker 3: a whole bunch and you'll be good. I love you.
Speaker 3: It was so good. Yeah, she was great. That was
Speaker 3: a great scene.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you've performed some live stage shows in Berlin.
Speaker 2: Was that just this past was that when you went
Speaker 2: to Venus Berlin or was this a different time when
Speaker 2: I went.
Speaker 3: To Venus Berlin? Okay, but not this year's was the
Speaker 3: year before. I did two live stage shows. I did
Speaker 3: one with Kazumi and Lily Lou and then I did
Speaker 3: another one with Srida Ville and Alexis Fox and that
Speaker 3: was one of the most art racking moments of my
Speaker 3: whole life. But I wanted to like practice, be more
Speaker 3: outgoing and like being in public doing things, and so
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it. And then when I did it,
Speaker 3: it was so cool, like it was so exciting, like
Speaker 3: everybody's watching you and everybody's turned on and everybody's just happy.
Speaker 3: Like you look over and you see the smiles, and
Speaker 3: then you put your face back on the pussy and
Speaker 3: it's just like it's so cool. It's so fucking cool.
Speaker 3: And I was still shaking, like walking off stage, like
Speaker 3: my knees were shaking, like my arms were shaking. I
Speaker 3: was like hyperventilating a little bit. I went in the
Speaker 3: room and used my inhaler before I went back to signing,
Speaker 3: Like it was very very very much like oh my god,
Speaker 3: but it was fascinating. Like you just go up on
Speaker 3: the stage and then you introduce yourself and then like
Speaker 3: music starts and then you start kind of like touching
Speaker 3: and groping and stripping and then grinding and everything just
Speaker 3: turns into like this on stage sex like you would
Speaker 3: do in a scene or like you would do in
Speaker 3: your room, but with all of these people watching live
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's something very thrilling about that.
Speaker 2: I have not been to Venus Berlin, but I have
Speaker 2: seen a lot of videos and I've heard a lot
Speaker 2: about it. And my partner Jeff, my business partner, Jeff,
Speaker 2: went and filmed for a strip chat last just this
Speaker 2: past Venus Berlin and like, yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 3: Was so funny.
Speaker 2: He was like sending me videos and just telling me
Speaker 2: about the live stage shows and like.
Speaker 3: He got squorted on and it was like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just crazy. I have a video that my girlfriend
Speaker 3: took whenever we were well she was because I walked
Speaker 3: in with the Brassers Grip and was signing and she
Speaker 3: walked in later and it's literally just a video of
Speaker 3: a guy standing their helicopter. Yeah, it was good. I
Speaker 3: know about this guy. I've heard about this guy from everyone.
Speaker 4: Really, he's like a surgeon, I do know anything, yes,
Speaker 4: And he goes to this beat his brillain because the
Speaker 4: fans could go naked, which is crazy to be amazing,
Speaker 4: and he just goes around just helicopter dicks the whole time.
Speaker 3: Like this guy's a legend.
Speaker 2: Literally every person who's told me about being this brillain
Speaker 2: has brought this guy up.
Speaker 3: He's so cool. I admire him so much. He made
Speaker 3: my line once ti they get a picture. He was
Speaker 3: so sweet, And there's so many fans the are Like
Speaker 3: there's this huge misconception here in the US that if
Speaker 3: somebody in your line is naked, it's because they're creepy
Speaker 3: and there it's not like at all whatsoever. They're in
Speaker 3: the line in they're naked because that's what feels free
Speaker 3: to them and that's just like what the Germany. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the German culture is so different than ours, very much so.
Speaker 3: And so they make the line and they're respectful and
Speaker 3: they keep their hands to themselves and occasionally people will
Speaker 3: ask if they can touch, and you decide on your
Speaker 3: own if you're comfortable with that. But like they'll make
Speaker 3: the line naked, come over, like take photo in a
Speaker 3: very normal way and they're like, thank you so much,
Speaker 3: and they walk away, And I'm just think you're much
Speaker 3: nicer than a lot of the people in the US.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the thing is is that when you
Speaker 2: grow up in an environment where you're not repressed sexually
Speaker 2: and where like nudity is not like such a big
Speaker 2: deal and people don't carry so much shame around about
Speaker 2: their body and about being naked and about sex. Like
Speaker 2: there is better communication, and I feel like people are
Speaker 2: more respectful of boundaries because it's something that isn't like
Speaker 2: so many guys that I find who have issues with
Speaker 2: who are disrespectful to women, Like we're never taught anything
Speaker 2: about sex or how to talk to women. Like they
Speaker 2: were just taught that it was bad, it was shameful,
Speaker 2: and like you know, even that sometimes that women are
Speaker 2: there too, are just sexual beings there to like trap you, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and like almost like they're your enemy. I
Speaker 2: mean it's just yeah, I find that cultures that are
Speaker 2: the most sexually repressed have the most amount of violence
Speaker 2: towards women, and like, you know, have the biggest issues
Speaker 2: with boundaries. Where people who are like more sexually open
Speaker 2: and free are more respectful and.
Speaker 3: There's also less pent up energy that you need to
Speaker 3: get out, yeah, because everything is just more free. So
Speaker 3: there's people that come there and they just like have
Speaker 3: zero experience with sex or with women and they're just
Speaker 3: like dying to get everything out that they're gropy and
Speaker 3: grabby and they forget to ask and they don't know
Speaker 3: how to be respectful and a lot of times it's
Speaker 3: not coming from like a like a place of harm.
Speaker 3: They're not doing it with a negative intention. They just
Speaker 3: don't know any better because no one has ever talked
Speaker 3: to me no. And I've seen girls get so mad,
Speaker 3: and I understand that because they're pushing your boundary. But
Speaker 3: for me personally, I'm just like, hey, when you're with me,
Speaker 3: and when you're with any woman, ask first, like and
Speaker 3: it's that simple, and some people will say yes. But
Speaker 3: the worst that can happen is they say no, but
Speaker 3: just ask unless the end of it, And ninety nine
Speaker 3: point nine percent of the time the person is very
Speaker 3: much like, I'm so sorry, like I didn't know any better,
Speaker 3: and I'll do better moving forward. And they do, and
Speaker 3: they come the next year and they're respectful and they
Speaker 3: keep their hands to themselves and they ask politely for things,
Speaker 3: and they're a completely different person. They just need somebody
Speaker 3: to tell them, like, do it this way, this is
Speaker 3: the better way to do it, And you get way
Speaker 3: further in life if you do it that way.
Speaker 2: I think also too, when you grow up in like
Speaker 2: a more sexually repressed society, women who are in the
Speaker 2: sex industry are looked at as being like these kind
Speaker 2: of counter culture you know, like you know, shameful, stigmatized
Speaker 2: beings and so almost non human, right, so they don't
Speaker 2: deserve to be treated like humans. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 2: also a huge.
Speaker 3: Part of it. I think having like a grounding conversation
Speaker 3: with porn stars or in that environment it definitely changes
Speaker 3: people's perspective in that way. That's one thing I get
Speaker 3: a lot at those conventions. People will come over and
Speaker 3: they're like, I was expecting something completely different, and I
Speaker 3: have my bimbo side.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 3: My favorite thing to do with conventions is a boob hat.
Speaker 3: I love to like have guys get on their knees
Speaker 3: and I plot my boobs on their head and then
Speaker 3: we take a picture with like Mickey Mouse and it's amazing,
Speaker 3: And that's my favorite convention thing to do. Ever. So
Speaker 3: I have that side of my boom hat. It's so cold,
Speaker 3: But then there's a side of me that wants to
Speaker 3: have a real conversation and like a personal connection with
Speaker 3: that person. So I think people they appreciate that a lot.
Speaker 2: The thing is is that both things can exist in
Speaker 2: the same relation, right, And that's something that I people
Speaker 2: need to understand. So you've been outspoken about wanting to
Speaker 2: challenge stereotypes about sex workers.
Speaker 3: What's the most frustrating myth that you still see being
Speaker 3: pushed out there that sex workers all have some sort
Speaker 3: of trauma and that's why they do what they do.
Speaker 3: I think that's like one of the biggest misconceptions. And
Speaker 3: everybody that I talk to is like, Oh, you must
Speaker 3: have a terrible relationship with your family. Oh your family
Speaker 3: must hate this, or oh, this must have happened, this
Speaker 3: must have happened as a no, my favorite, your father
Speaker 3: must be proud. Your father must be proud. We all
Speaker 3: get that. Everybody's like, you must have had a terrible
Speaker 3: childhood and all of these things. And I'm like, you
Speaker 3: can have a good upbringing and like the most perfect
Speaker 3: life and still want to do this. Like, for me,
Speaker 3: this is sexually empowering. I'm doing everything I want to
Speaker 3: do and everything I'm passionate about from a place of health,
Speaker 3: from a place of being mentally sound, like there's nothing
Speaker 3: wrong with me. I just fucking love doing what I
Speaker 3: want to do on camera in front of people and
Speaker 3: empowering myself and showing that you can be sexual and
Speaker 3: sane and happy, and I think that, you know, people
Speaker 3: need to stop thinking that all sexuality comes from a
Speaker 3: place of trauma. You've also said that sex work is
Speaker 3: a passion project, So what does that mean to you?
Speaker 3: Kind of like going back to what I said in
Speaker 3: the previous one, is like I want to show that
Speaker 3: you can be very sexual openly and not lead back
Speaker 3: to something negative. And I think that a lot of
Speaker 3: people think that sexuality comes from a place of negativity
Speaker 3: or a place of damage that you're trying to repair
Speaker 3: by getting attention, and that's not the case. Like I
Speaker 3: want to show that you can be a healthy, happy
Speaker 3: person and be in the sex industry.
Speaker 2: What do you think that fans would be surprised to
Speaker 2: know about like what actually happens on adults that's compared
Speaker 2: to like what people are led to believe.
Speaker 3: Like you've called them the best hangout with snacks, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: I mean I've heard a lot from people personally where
Speaker 3: they'll come to me and they're like, well, it must
Speaker 3: be very awkward until the camera turns on, right, Like
Speaker 3: nobody's talking to each other, nobody's around each other, or
Speaker 3: they think we're fucking all day long. Yeah, and at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, there's a big organ orgy,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's not like you get to set
Speaker 3: and then you go to hair and makeup, and you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes what order you breakfast or a coffee if you
Speaker 3: want something, And then you go through hair and makeup,
Speaker 3: you do wardrobe, you go through your script. At some
Speaker 3: point you break for lunch. You get whatever you want
Speaker 3: for lunch. Was just amazing. Who doesn't want food? I
Speaker 3: usually save mind for the end because they don't like
Speaker 3: to be bloated or burpy during sex, so I save
Speaker 3: mine for the end. But it's just like everybody talks
Speaker 3: and they joke and they have like a connection and
Speaker 3: your male talent like ends up being like a friend
Speaker 3: of sorts by the end of it, and it's so
Speaker 3: fucking cool. And then like the sex starts and it's
Speaker 3: a different type of chemistry and passion and then afterwards
Speaker 3: you high five and you move on. Like it's it's
Speaker 3: just so relaxed compared to what people think it is.
Speaker 3: There's nobody, you know, screaming with a whip. Do it
Speaker 3: this way, and a lot of people are like, okay,
Speaker 3: so it's every position scripted and done this way and
Speaker 3: that way. And most of the time, no, like you
Speaker 3: have a couple of positions that they're like, we really
Speaker 3: want to see these, and then outside of that, have
Speaker 3: sex the way you want to have sex. And I
Speaker 3: think that that's amazing too.
Speaker 2: Also, because you work with Browsers, who's like one of
Speaker 2: the best companies to work for, you also get to
Speaker 2: have like those really great experience. You get to have
Speaker 2: the snacks first all. Yeah, not every points that feeds you,
Speaker 2: by the way. That's I mean, I've always fed my crew,
Speaker 2: but like I've heard that.
Speaker 3: I've heard that too. Yeah, And I remember.
Speaker 2: Actually so like during COVID, Browsers went through this whole
Speaker 2: kind of thing where they were really looking at the
Speaker 2: way that like sets were conducted and like how directors
Speaker 2: treated their talent. And it really was a moment that
Speaker 2: they kind of like reflected on a lot of things.
Speaker 2: We kind of had this like me too movement and
Speaker 2: the adult industry going on at that moment. And I
Speaker 2: remember them interviewing me and kind of asking me, you know,
Speaker 2: and they were like, do you provide like snacks and
Speaker 2: like food to you know, the crew and talent? And
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, doesn't everybody, And they were like, no,
Speaker 2: we were finding that a lot of our directors don't
Speaker 2: do that, and I was like, yeah, my first I
Speaker 2: blew my mom. And it was just it was actually
Speaker 2: really satisfying because after they had done all of this,
Speaker 2: they kind of came out with this like sort of
Speaker 2: run a show like list of how they wanted every
Speaker 2: set to be conducted and the protocol that they wanted followed,
Speaker 2: and I like ticked all the boxes already, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I've.
Speaker 3: Been I'm like, I'm open. I loved being on your side.
Speaker 3: Yours is just amazing. But I mean I've yeah, I've
Speaker 3: been treated like a princess since I've been in the industry,
Speaker 3: so I have zero complaints. I know that not every
Speaker 3: set is the same, and not every company is the same,
Speaker 3: and some are probably much more difficult than others. But
Speaker 3: I've been very lucky. I've been treated like a princess
Speaker 3: from the very beginning, and I love it.
Speaker 2: And I think things have changed so much too since
Speaker 2: like only fans has become such a powerhouse in the industry,
Speaker 2: and talent has so much personal autonomy now, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: because like they just don't need.
Speaker 3: To work for you anymore.
Speaker 2: So if you don't treat talent, right, You're just not
Speaker 2: going to get booking.
Speaker 3: I don't need to do porn at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, and I can make what I make on
Speaker 3: a porn set in a whole day on a porn
Speaker 3: set in about fifteen minutes on only fens. So it's
Speaker 3: it's one of those things where it's just kind of
Speaker 3: like you don't need to do it. You do it
Speaker 3: because you love it, or you know, don't do it now.
Speaker 2: You've also okay, so we know obviously coseplay. You've also
Speaker 2: mentioned like that you're a bit of a nerd, and
Speaker 2: I don't know why, like we have to say that,
Speaker 2: like all nerds play video games. But I guess it's
Speaker 2: like the general consensus, like if you're a nerd, you
Speaker 2: play video games.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't even know being a nerd means anymore actually,
Speaker 2: to be honest, because it was such a negative connotation
Speaker 2: it was back in the day. Now like it feels
Speaker 2: like that word has been reclaimed. It has been it
Speaker 2: is not cool to be it is not cool to
Speaker 2: be a nerd. So you're a cool nerd. So you
Speaker 2: play video games?
Speaker 3: Right? I play video games? What is your favorite one. Oh,
Speaker 3: that's so complicated. Console has to be Borderlins. I think
Speaker 3: Borderlands one and two was amazing, Borderlines three was okay,
Speaker 3: and Borderlands four so far it's so cool. I love Borderlines.
Speaker 3: The Last of Us is also amazing, but if it
Speaker 3: had to pick a favorite, it's Borderlines. In terms of
Speaker 3: PC or phone games, Age of Origins. I spend way
Speaker 3: too much money on that game, but it's so good.
Speaker 3: You like build your city and you go to war
Speaker 3: and there's like twenty four hour war events and it's
Speaker 3: just like this community of people that all have a
Speaker 3: giant murder boner and it's so cool. It's so cool.
Speaker 3: So yeah, those two are my favorite. You also are
Speaker 3: really into dogs. Yes, how many dogs do you have? Eleven?
Speaker 3: Actually I had ten, but I got a new one.
Speaker 2: And then bearded dragons too too. Okay, so tell us
Speaker 2: tell us about Can you name all of your dogs?
Speaker 3: I can? Okay, okay, hold on, I got to do
Speaker 3: it on my hands because otherwise I'll get lost. I
Speaker 3: have Storm, Shadow, Sonza, Stewie, Shiloh, Sophie, Ciara, Sky, Smoky
Speaker 3: and Sassy, and then Sophie. Someone's a fan of alliteration here.
Speaker 3: I love where do you keep them. I have a
Speaker 3: large house and the large yards, so they're all house dogs,
Speaker 3: they're not outdoors dogs. And then you know, we go
Speaker 3: for walks, We go for runs. They have their space
Speaker 3: outside and a walk at the same time. Okay, those
Speaker 3: dog walkers and dogs, I can't. I want each baby
Speaker 3: to get its own individual attention, So I take them
Speaker 3: one at a time, or you know, my partners will
Speaker 3: also take them as well, but they each like, we
Speaker 3: have group time at home, and then they each have
Speaker 3: their own individual time because I think that it's very
Speaker 3: important for them to feel like loved on their own.
Speaker 3: I think loved as a group is perfectly fine, and
Speaker 3: I think that's amazing, But in a group this big, like,
Speaker 3: I feel like they each need their own individual attention.
Speaker 3: Different ones have different train It's like a class of kids,
Speaker 3: you know, different kids at school, and they have different
Speaker 3: needs and different attention needs and things like that. And
Speaker 3: I think the same as you know with dogs. So
Speaker 3: I try to make sure they each get their like
Speaker 3: personality fulfilled in a different way.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I spend so much money on dog food. Yes,
Speaker 2: are they all like the same size?
Speaker 4: Ish?
Speaker 3: They're all completely differently different I have three rat Wheilers
Speaker 3: I got fingers again, three Rottweilers, three Pomeranians, a Palma poo,
Speaker 3: a beigli Air, a pit mix. She just showed up
Speaker 3: at our house and we kept her Great Pyrenees. And
Speaker 3: right now we have a mini Hippo, which is a
Speaker 3: sharpay Cocker Spaniel mix. He's our newest one. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: he's so cute. Damn. I love dogs, but I don't
Speaker 3: know if I could handle eleven. It's not that bad.
Speaker 3: Once you get past five, it's all the same.
Speaker 2: I've heard that about kids too, like like one one's hard,
Speaker 2: two's really tough, three and more.
Speaker 3: It's all like this. It's all the same. Like at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, they all go out to
Speaker 3: poty at the same time, they all eat at the
Speaker 3: same time. The only thing you do is individual attention,
Speaker 3: and that's fun. That's not negative anyway for me. I
Speaker 3: love it. Eventually, my goal, like I think my end
Speaker 3: goal is to open like a rescue and just kind
Speaker 3: of have like this huge land where I can just
Speaker 3: take in all of the dogs. Then I don't have
Speaker 3: to keep getting dogs. You just have all of them,
Speaker 3: and you know, make sure that they're happy and healthy,
Speaker 3: and if I foster them until they find a better home, amazing,
Speaker 3: and if they stay with me until the end, amazing.
Speaker 2: There are so many adult stars that are really into
Speaker 2: like dog rescues. I feel like there could just be
Speaker 2: like one big like horn.
Speaker 3: Star rest amazing. You probably would be very successful. That
Speaker 3: would be so cool too, just to like have that
Speaker 3: constant like affection from the little animal. I used to
Speaker 3: have a friend.
Speaker 2: She was a model and then she's a stylist and
Speaker 2: she worked for me for a long time named Mia Presley,
Speaker 2: who used to do a yearly calendar called Porn Stars
Speaker 2: for Pups and it was like a charity calendar and
Speaker 2: I used to shoot it and yeah I still have
Speaker 2: I'll look because I definitely still have all the pictures.
Speaker 3: But it was actually a great day because it was a.
Speaker 2: Day that like I just opened my studio and all
Speaker 2: these like people would bring their My studio was just
Speaker 2: overrun with.
Speaker 3: Toh my god, that sounds amazing. Yeah, it was really cool.
Speaker 3: She resurrect it. I'm so down.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll bring all eleven months, which is I know,
Speaker 2: one Abigail and like eleven dogs. Everyone else has one dog,
Speaker 2: so question before we of course, because I want to
Speaker 2: ask you about Avian Wars because it's such a big deal.
Speaker 2: But one question I do want to ask you is
Speaker 2: something that I'm sure you get asked a lot. I know,
Speaker 2: I hear this a lot. The audience wants to know.
Speaker 2: Does size matter me?
Speaker 3: No, I think for each person is different me personally. No.
Speaker 3: I can make I can have fun with anything. I
Speaker 3: have been with micro penises, and then you can just
Speaker 3: grind on it and make yourself feel good. I've been
Speaker 3: with large, large, large ones. I think too big as
Speaker 3: a problem. I don't think too small as a problem.
Speaker 3: I think too big as a problem. I want to
Speaker 3: be able to walk after and I still want to
Speaker 3: be able to have sex a couple days later, and
Speaker 3: I don't want to feel like I birthed the baby
Speaker 3: in reverse. So I think too big could be an issue,
Speaker 3: but too small definitely not. Hear that. Guys, you can
Speaker 3: you can still make make whoopy? What the fuck?
Speaker 2: Where did that come from? Oh my god, I don't
Speaker 2: even I literally don't know where that word came from.
Speaker 2: Micro penises, you still have a shot, absolutely, Aban Awards
Speaker 2: Avian Biggest Night of the Year. How did you get
Speaker 2: the news that you were being chosen to host the
Speaker 2: Avian Awards, and what was your reaction.
Speaker 3: So the process of how I found out is top secret. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm not but there was a phone call involved, okay.
Speaker 3: But when I found out, I was ecstatic. Obviously it's
Speaker 3: not something I ever, ever, ever thought that I would do.
Speaker 3: And I ran to the room with my humans and
Speaker 3: started screaming, and I was like, oh my god, and
Speaker 3: it was just like mind blowing. It's like, I don't
Speaker 3: go to a lot of the parties or like hang
Speaker 3: out in a lot of those environments. And I've been
Speaker 3: told from the very beginning, like if you don't go
Speaker 3: to these parties and make friends with these people, you're
Speaker 3: not going anywhere. And I'm like, well, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to do anything out of peer pressure, and I'm not
Speaker 3: going to go to a party I don't want to
Speaker 3: go to because I don't like parties just for the
Speaker 3: fuck of it, or just for somebody to tell me, Okay,
Speaker 3: you can do this because you went to this party
Speaker 3: and kissed the ring of this person, and that's not me.
Speaker 3: So it was one of those things where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's not like that it's genuinely not. I did what
Speaker 3: I wanted to my whole career. I built my career
Speaker 3: the way I wanted to, in the way that I
Speaker 3: wanted to, doing what I wanted to do, and I
Speaker 3: still get to host the Avian Awards and that's absolutely phenomenal.
Speaker 3: And I think it says a lot about our industry
Speaker 3: that there's still, even within industry people that misconception that
Speaker 3: you have to like bow down and kiss the ring
Speaker 3: to get where you want to be. And I think
Speaker 3: that if you're just yourself you can still get equally
Speaker 3: as far. And I'm hosting the Amen Awards. That's so cool.
Speaker 2: So what are you the most nervous about stage?
Speaker 3: For sure? Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of people. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I think one of the first things they asked me, well,
Speaker 3: not ask me, they said, they were like, please don't
Speaker 3: tell me you have stage fright. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: I will tell you I don't have stage right. I
Speaker 3: have stage fright. I learned this at the AVAN nominations party.
Speaker 3: I went on to stage and my knees were shaking
Speaker 3: and I was wobbly, and I did it. I was
Speaker 3: very proud of myself. I was like, this is awesome.
Speaker 3: I did it. I stuttered once, which I beat myself
Speaker 3: up over for a few minutes, and then I was like,
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, most people don't remember it,
Speaker 3: so it's okay. But I was fine. There was a
Speaker 3: three second period where my vision went black and I
Speaker 3: don't really remember, but that's fine. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 3: that happens, you know, and as long as I don't
Speaker 3: fall over, Yes, it was perfectly fine. Yes. So I'm
Speaker 3: most nervous about talking on stage, for sure. That's like
Speaker 3: the phone calls where you hang up and then you
Speaker 3: call back. So yeah, but you can't walk off stage
Speaker 3: on the awards and then come back later. You gotta
Speaker 3: just keep going, totally, Liza, I think that's my biggest fear.
Speaker 3: But in all honesty, like as the time gets closer,
Speaker 3: I'm less nervous and I'm more excited, so I can't wait.
Speaker 2: What does it mean to you personally to be a
Speaker 2: part of the Avan Awards legacy, because that's like a
Speaker 2: big deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. I'm honored, Like personally, I'm genuinely honored,
Speaker 3: and I think that that night is like so important
Speaker 3: to a lot of people, because it's really it's showing
Speaker 3: like that the industry cares about the performers, and it's
Speaker 3: like a huge thank you and like a show of
Speaker 3: recognition to performers who worked very hard to be where
Speaker 3: they are, and a lot of performers are like in
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame or like they've worked really harder
Speaker 3: people getting their first award, and I think it's such
Speaker 3: a huge night to so many people that like being
Speaker 3: a part of that, being a part of the promoting
Speaker 3: and like hosting and talking about it and the whole
Speaker 3: build up I think is just absolutely amazing. I'm honestly,
Speaker 3: I couldn't be more honored. And I feel like as
Speaker 3: somebody who's not like I've been in the industry four years,
Speaker 3: and as someone who's only been in the industry four years,
Speaker 3: I have one AB and ORG and so I know
Speaker 3: how it feels to get your first one, and it's
Speaker 3: like it's so exciting and it's like an honor to
Speaker 3: have your work recognized, and so to be able to
Speaker 3: kind of call those people up on stage and be
Speaker 3: like you won, like you did this or things like that,
Speaker 3: or be the person hosting the show. I think it's phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a great opportunity for the entire adult
Speaker 2: community to come together and like really celebrate how hard
Speaker 2: people work, because I know, like most people, I mean,
Speaker 2: I hate this comment when I get like port it's
Speaker 2: not hard work. You just lay on a bed and
Speaker 2: spread your legs, and it's like, dude.
Speaker 3: It's not. You have no idea. It's so much work.
Speaker 2: Like tell that to like people who are like putting
Speaker 2: in like fifteen sixteen hour days on a feature movie
Speaker 2: exactly eight I've done an eighteen hour day on a
Speaker 2: feature movie.
Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, yeah, that's that is a lot
Speaker 3: of work. A lot of work. It really is. People
Speaker 3: don't realize how much work it is, and so like
Speaker 3: a whole you know, day that's just set to recognizing
Speaker 3: that much work. I think it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: What can people expect from the show? Her any hints
Speaker 2: about surprises, energy, tone? I mean, people are just gonna
Speaker 2: have to go and find out.
Speaker 3: I think one thing people don't realize is fans can
Speaker 3: go to the awards, so you know, go to the
Speaker 3: Avian website and get your tickets, and fans can go
Speaker 3: and find out for themselves. You don't have to wait
Speaker 3: and watch it back later or wait to hear word
Speaker 3: of mouth, Like you can go and actually watch it.
Speaker 3: I think that's so cool.
Speaker 2: Fans can go to the Avian Awards if you want
Speaker 2: to get your tickets, go to awards dot Avian dot
Speaker 2: com and you can see the beautiful Abigail up on stage,
Speaker 2: not having stage fright at all.
Speaker 3: Knowing and I want to be I won't be fainting
Speaker 3: or peeing my pants. Definitely. Well, I mean it's the
Speaker 3: last one, like there is a fetish for that.
Speaker 2: Actually there's a fetish for the first one, probably too,
Speaker 2: Probably Okay, So last question about the Avian Awards. For
Speaker 2: people who've never attended, what is the one piece of
Speaker 2: advice you'd give them before coming to Vegas for the show?
Speaker 3: Ooh, it's a big show. Be prepared to walk around
Speaker 3: and associate with a lot of people. It's a big, big,
Speaker 3: big environment. A lot of people are there, a lot
Speaker 3: of people are walking around, and be prepared to see boobs,
Speaker 3: nipples are covered, there's boobs everywhere. Like, know what you're
Speaker 3: getting into. You're going into a sexual environment with sexual people.
Speaker 3: But also forget, don't forget please, don't forget consent is key.
Speaker 3: If you're going to take a picture with you know,
Speaker 3: an artist or a performer or whatever it is, ask
Speaker 3: first before you grab anything, like I don't want you
Speaker 3: to get kicked out by security or slapped, so well
Speaker 3: slap it could be fun, but don't do it by
Speaker 3: being non consensual. So yeah, just be consensual and also
Speaker 3: expect big crowds. I'm not a crowd person, so that
Speaker 3: was like my first anxiety walking through the door.
Speaker 2: It could be long lines too for the fair. Sure,
Speaker 2: so get there to the show floor early. If you're
Speaker 2: a performer, I will say, make sure you're hydrated. Gets
Speaker 2: very dry in there. Have like snacks, like good like
Speaker 2: protein snacks, you know, like mixed nuts and not those
Speaker 2: kind of nuts, you know what I mean, Like good
Speaker 2: like protein on you because sometimes you won't get a
Speaker 2: break to go get food, and the food can be
Speaker 2: like I mean the convent, you know, the convention halls
Speaker 2: are huge.
Speaker 3: I always bring a protein shake in a bag and
Speaker 3: I'll drink it throughout the day and then that way,
Speaker 3: if I start to feel like head it or dizzyer,
Speaker 3: I realize I've gone so long without eating.
Speaker 2: You just also watch the drinking because people will get
Speaker 2: really wasted early in the show or like early in
Speaker 2: the day, and then like won't make it.
Speaker 3: Through the rest of the show. So piece yourself hydration
Speaker 3: and pace yourself for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And then like you said, walking a lot.
Speaker 2: So if your talents, see if you can bring flats
Speaker 2: that you can like sneak in your bag and you
Speaker 2: can walk in those and then put your heels on
Speaker 2: at the booth or whatever.
Speaker 3: Because I can't and I used to do this too.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many girls you see, like
Speaker 2: towards the end of the show that are just walking
Speaker 2: barefoot because they can't handle being in heels anymore.
Speaker 3: Because it's so much walking. I'm gonna be completely honest.
Speaker 3: My first two years signing at Avian, I work and
Speaker 3: I brought a pair of slippers and I literally wear
Speaker 3: fuzzy slippers by the end of the day. Now I
Speaker 3: go in my favorite tennis shoes because at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, I'm a sneaker's girly and people are
Speaker 3: not coming to take pictures of my heels. So if
Speaker 3: they want to picture my foot, I will take off
Speaker 3: my amazing sneaker and they can see a picture of
Speaker 3: my foot. But otherwise, like they're coming to see pretty
Speaker 3: much from my thighs up. And if you really really
Speaker 3: care about seeing me at heels, google it or look
Speaker 3: at my Instagram or my only fans. A lot of
Speaker 3: girls were like really fashionable sneakers. Now I've noticed it's
Speaker 3: a more common thing though. Yeah, yeah, I can't do
Speaker 3: like eight hours in heels not happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm at the point now where I'm old enough.
Speaker 3: Where and I'm like, I'm just gonna wear flat. I'm
Speaker 3: tall already. People expect me to be in heels until
Speaker 3: they look down and they're like, oh, ten of shoes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: well I'm taller than you anyways, so it's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. You might get stuck interviewing her
Speaker 2: boobs like I did on The Red. All right, well, Ali, y'all,
Speaker 2: thank you so much.
Speaker 3: It was such a pleasureating to know you.
Speaker 2: I do have my Patreon questions for you, which we're
Speaker 2: going to do in a separate segment that you can
Speaker 2: get if you are a Patrin member. But otherwise, can
Speaker 2: you tell everybody where they can find you online?
Speaker 3: Please? On Instagram, it's just Abigail dot Morris. But Abigail
Speaker 3: is spelled kind of funny. It's a big ail Twitter
Speaker 3: or x now, isn't it. Yeah, the exact same with
Speaker 3: an underscore instead of a period. And then only fans,
Speaker 3: it is literally just Abigail Morris with no spaces, no periods,
Speaker 3: no underscores.
Speaker 2: And then you guys can find me on Instagram and
Speaker 2: on X at Holly Randall. Go to Patreon dot com
Speaker 2: slash Holly Randall unfiltered if you want to get access
Speaker 2: to the bonus Q and A We're going to do
Speaker 2: watch these streamed live. And then of course, if you
Speaker 2: want to go to the Avian Awards and attend the show,
Speaker 2: fans are welcome. Go to Awards dot AVN dot com.
Speaker 2: Get your tickets, get them fast, because like the Awards
Speaker 2: are just around the corner, and you don't want to
Speaker 2: miss that opportunity because it's a really really cool show.
Speaker 3: Like I said, you can watch my fans on stage.
Speaker 3: I'll be there to get you. Oh my godness. Please,
Speaker 3: thank you guys so much for watching.
Speaker 2: Happy Holidays, and I'll see you on the next one.