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<v Speaker 1>Oh hey, it's your friend with too much stuff hanging

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<v Speaker 1>from his rear view mirror. Ali Ward. Let's get started.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's dip into it. This one is about the Sun.

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<v Speaker 1>We got eclips, trivia and tips and dates tossed in.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also a Bogo it's a buy one, get one

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<v Speaker 1>because we have two guests. Thank you NASA for both

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<v Speaker 1>of them, and thank you to wildlife ecology ologists Corina

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<v Speaker 1>Newssim for the intro to India. So I'm gonna be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't even going to cover this ology right now.

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<v Speaker 1>If we did, we should have put it out a

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<v Speaker 1>couple weeks ago. I've always wanted to cover it, but

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<v Speaker 1>kind of at the last minute, I decided to trek

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<v Speaker 1>to see the eclipse in Texas, and I selfishly, selfishly

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to know how the sun works because everyone's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and because everything alive on Earth would be

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<v Speaker 1>dead without it. It's a key player. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get this done. So these two guests. One is

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<v Speaker 1>a research scientist and the Heliophysics Science Division at NASA's

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<v Speaker 1>Goddard Space Flight Center now. The other has a bachelor's

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<v Speaker 1>and a master's in mathematics and is on the cusp

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<v Speaker 1>of totality in regards to her PhD and astrophysics from

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia State University. She's self taught in ten computer programming languages.

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<v Speaker 1>She studies solar energetic particles, coronal mass ejections, and has

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<v Speaker 1>had multiple internships with NASA's helio Analytics department at NASA Goddard.

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<v Speaker 1>And these are the folks you want to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>about the Sun, and we will in a sec But first,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I read them all and to prove that,

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<v Speaker 1>for my brain and very far from the matting crowd,

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<v Speaker 1>five years, So thank you. It's worth the wait. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've left a review, I've read it now heliology. Helio

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<v Speaker 1>straight up means sun in Greek, but the word eclipse

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<v Speaker 1>I just found this out comes from the Latin for

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<v Speaker 1>a failure to appear, which sounds kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>sun is in some hot water with the judicial system.

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<v Speaker 1>But in this episode, we're going to shed some light

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<v Speaker 1>on what the Sun is made of. Is it fire

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<v Speaker 1>or not? How old is it? How big is it?

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<v Speaker 1>What does the surface of the Sun look like? When

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<v Speaker 1>will it implode on us? What rays are coming off

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<v Speaker 1>of it? What is a sun spot, a solar storm?

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<v Speaker 1>And eclipse an ejection of coronal mass? Are our electronics safe? Also?

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<v Speaker 1>Where can an eclipse happen? Should you go see one?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it that big of a deal? What happens if

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<v Speaker 1>you step out and stare directly into the sun. So

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<v Speaker 1>get to know the center of our solar system with heliologists,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Michael Kirk and almost just days away from defending

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm declaring it here, doctor India Jackson, let's hop

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<v Speaker 1>right in and meet Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Michael Kirk, I pronounced are he? Him?

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<v Speaker 3>And his?

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<v Speaker 1>And now we were talking about anome's versusologies. You study

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<v Speaker 1>the sun, so technically you are a heliologist has anyone

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<v Speaker 1>ever called you that?

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<v Speaker 2>Or no, No, you're the first person to ever call

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<v Speaker 2>me a heliologist. We typically call ourselves heliophysicists or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>solar scientists or something like that. But heliologists, no, I've

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<v Speaker 2>never heard that one before, but thanks. Heliophysics is actually

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<v Speaker 2>a relatively new term. It was sort of coined back

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<v Speaker 2>in the late nineties mid nineties. So in terms of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the way science goes, this is like still

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<v Speaker 2>a very youthful idea of heliophysics, because what it used

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<v Speaker 2>to be is solar science, you know, studying the Sun,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you study space, and then you study the

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<v Speaker 2>eurosuparate atmosphere. And they were quickly realizing they're all related

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<v Speaker 2>with each other. They're all, you know, part of the

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<v Speaker 2>what we call the heliosphere. So that's where heliophysics came from.

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<v Speaker 2>And so even the word heliophysics is not very well

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<v Speaker 2>known in scientific communities, let alone the general public. But

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<v Speaker 2>we're sort of on a mission that you know, five

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<v Speaker 2>year olds know Trannosaurus rex. That's a hard work, so

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<v Speaker 2>we should know heliophysics as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea that it was a newer term.

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<v Speaker 1>This is exciting about what exactly is a heliosphere. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I've ever heard that term before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So heliosphere is everything the Sun touches. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of easiest way to describe it. So the Sun

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<v Speaker 2>of course is the source of all our light and

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<v Speaker 2>heat on Earth, but it also is pushing out radiation particles.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a reasonably well defined boundary where it the

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<v Speaker 2>influence the Sun pushes out into interstellar space, and at

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<v Speaker 2>some point the other stars in our galaxy are pushing back,

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<v Speaker 2>and so there's a boundary that the Sun's and radiation

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<v Speaker 2>influence in a bubble, and that's called the heliosphere. And

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<v Speaker 2>so all of the planets are inside the heliosphere. The

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<v Speaker 2>only things that we know of that are outside of

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<v Speaker 2>the heliosphere right now are the voidge spacecraft They actually

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<v Speaker 1>So just to quick aside, the Voyager one and Voyager

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<v Speaker 1>two space probe crafts. They were launched in the late

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<v Speaker 1>space beyond our Son's heliosphere in twenty twelve and twenty eighteen, respectively,

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<v Speaker 1>and Voyager one is about twenty four billion kilometers or

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen billion miles away, and Voyager two, after cruising pass

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<v Speaker 1>the gas planets of our solar system, is now roughly

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<v Speaker 1>twenty billion kilometers or twelve billion miles from Earth. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't make it past an eight hour road trip

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<v Speaker 1>without stopping five times to pee and three times to

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<v Speaker 1>purchase truck stop coffee. Also, Michael says that they're having

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<v Speaker 1>like a few communication issues with the voyagers, but I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>they are communicating from several billion miles away. Give them

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<v Speaker 1>grace for not returning your text. NASA, calm down. So

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<v Speaker 1>these voyagers, they're voyaging away tens of billions of miles

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<v Speaker 1>just for scale, distance wise, the Sun is just a

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<v Speaker 1>fifty million kilometers away. That's right in our galactic backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>And now, if we can see stars distantly, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>in their heliosphere though, right, we can just see pinpoints

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<v Speaker 1>of light. How do you determine if you can still

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<v Speaker 1>see something?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Oh wow, if you can see something, well, so

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<v Speaker 2>the sunlight, like all light falls off exponentially, So every

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<v Speaker 2>falls off to four meters or to four times the amount,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's it's exponentially decreasing. So as you move away

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<v Speaker 2>from the Sun, its brightness is limited, and eventually you

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<v Speaker 2>need bigger and bigger telescopes or bigger, bigger apertures to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to see that increasingly faint starlight. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why we launched NASA launched James Web, was to

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<v Speaker 2>create a really big mirror in space to capture really

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<v Speaker 2>dim objects in So in terms of the Sun's influence,

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<v Speaker 2>the radiation pushing out from the Sun, there's light that

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to go off into space pretty much forever.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is a defined boundary of that solar wind

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<v Speaker 2>flow that flows out from the Sun and provides a

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<v Speaker 2>fluid pressure, so like a pressure of you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>you feel the water pressure and it's a whole lot

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<v Speaker 2>less from the Sun, but there's a pressure pushing out.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what we define as the edge of the

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<v Speaker 2>Sun's influence. So each star has this bubble around it

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<v Speaker 2>of the other stuff from the universe, and in defining

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<v Speaker 2>this protective or captive bubble around it. And then depending

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<v Speaker 2>on how big the star is, how bright it is,

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<v Speaker 2>how active it is, those size of those bubbles change

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<v Speaker 2>of the heliosphere itself, and so.

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<v Speaker 1>That solar wind is just a term for how it's

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<v Speaker 1>putting pressure on other things. Are you ever mad that

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<v Speaker 1>it's called wind? Is that so confusing?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Actually, it's a great term because solar wind gets

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<v Speaker 2>you to sort of think about a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>its weather too. So there's their space weather as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and the solar wind is sort of the it's always

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<v Speaker 2>their wind blowing out from the Sun. By wind, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean these are particles, magnetic fields, so protons, neutrons, electrons,

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<v Speaker 2>magnetic fields just always being pushed out from the Sun

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. And this wind is carried out in

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<v Speaker 2>streams and in clumps and in blobs, and it is

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<v Speaker 2>pushed out. But calling it wind makes you think like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that must be some sort of weather phenomenon. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's exactly why it's a really good term. Because space

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<v Speaker 2>weather is the changing environment in space caused by the Sun,

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<v Speaker 2>and so astronauts deal with it. Satellites deal with it,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, planets deal with it too. Our Earth and

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<v Speaker 2>upper atmosphere changes depending on the space weather conditions.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I thought you were gonna be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it sucks, they call it wind. I gotta really try

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<v Speaker 1>to explain that when it's career day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are the terms I think are terrible, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's not one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>So what else is terrible?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you smell any beans?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>So, I think the hardest thing is that we use

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<v Speaker 2>the term solar system to just talk about the planets.

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<v Speaker 2>And okay, so yeah, you have the planets in the

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<v Speaker 2>solar system, and everybody learns the Solar system and you

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<v Speaker 2>learn the names of the planets, But the solar system,

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<v Speaker 2>if you like, think about the words. It's about the

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<v Speaker 2>Sun and the relationship between the Sun and the planets.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think the term solar system is great.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wish we could like include a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more Sun in that solar system description instead of just

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Saturn and Uranus and Neptune.

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<v Speaker 1>That's such a good point. It is called the solar system,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like I know the least about the Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a great time to help me actually

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<v Speaker 1>visualize it. So the Sun is it a huge ball

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<v Speaker 1>of fire. Is it plasma? Is it just a light?

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<v Speaker 1>What is this sun even made up? Do we know?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Okay, okay, well next question.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, he's kidding, but also not. Let's check with

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<v Speaker 1>another NASA goddard scientist, India Jackson almost PhD Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is India Jackson. My pronouns are she her.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say that you had to describe what the

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<v Speaker 1>sun was or like how big it is? I have

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<v Speaker 1>no concept of how big the Sun is, like none.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there just arms of plasma that are giant coming

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<v Speaker 1>off of it? Like I can't even visualize it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know the Solar Dynamic Observatory. Have you heard

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<v Speaker 4>of that? No, But you can see daily live images

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<v Speaker 4>of the Sun and it looks like a ball because

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<v Speaker 4>the gravity is pushing towards the center. So that's why

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<v Speaker 4>it looks like a ball. And then you will get

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<v Speaker 4>some solar events. You'll see it looks like stuff is

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<v Speaker 4>crawling on it, those magnetic waves pushing through and some

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<v Speaker 4>of them connect then and you'll see dark spots. Those

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<v Speaker 1>but we have more time to see them coming. They

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<v Speaker 1>about our dissertation. Are you this close to being a

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<v Speaker 4>Well I haven't defended yet. So I just got the

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<v Speaker 4>final edits for the full dissertation one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 4>eight pages, so that will be going out to all

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<v Speaker 4>close actually so exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the title of your dissertation?

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<v Speaker 4>Advancing solar energetic part of cool prediction using survival analysis

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'll be the first black woman to get a

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm making history with that. So my dissertation is

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what India's dissertationists composed of. But looking

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<v Speaker 2>What's the summer? So I think it was the musical group.

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<v Speaker 2>They might be giants called the sun and the asthma

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<v Speaker 2>of plasma free state of matter, not us, not lifically,

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<v Speaker 2>not silent, And that's really what it is. It's a plasma.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Sun is a big ball of hydrogen and

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<v Speaker 2>astronomers just all lump into metals. That's a weird thing

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<v Speaker 2>that astronomers do. But it's primary hydrogen and helium, and

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<v Speaker 2>the energy coming from the Sun. Is this fusion process.

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<v Speaker 1>Fusion side note occurs in the Sun when the protons

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<v Speaker 1>in that fusion process. And it takes four hydrogens colliding

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<v Speaker 1>to make a helium. So helios helium, helio Sun. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you get it? I didn't right before. Now, someone please

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<v Speaker 1>tell me I'm not alone because this hurts.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have these positive energy blobs and these negative

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<v Speaker 2>energy particles, and they are in this incredibly energetic soup

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<v Speaker 2>the other major thing that drives the Sun. Are these

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<v Speaker 2>currents of plasma causing magnetic fields. And that's really what

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<v Speaker 2>how those two things interact with each other is complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>Then no, we're understand it to a certain degree, but man,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a ton of stuff we just don't understand about that,

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<v Speaker 2>how the plasma magnetic fields interact, even though the ingredients

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<v Speaker 1>So, according to a NASA piece titled Understanding the Magnetic Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>the surface of our solar body quote writhes and dances

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<v Speaker 1>and it has more rhythm and confidence than you ali.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the last part that's just an assumption. Now. This

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<v Speaker 1>is because when charged particles in the Sun they bang

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<v Speaker 1>and they move around, they also create magnetic fields, which

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<v Speaker 1>just causes them to move more, just like a mash

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<v Speaker 1>pit of elegant stellar plasma. And when we hear always

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<v Speaker 1>that we're made of exploded star stuff, but it's mostly

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<v Speaker 1>helium and hydrogen with some metals. Now do those particles

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<v Speaker 1>change when they leave that sphere or do those become

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<v Speaker 1>sub atomic? I mean I realized that these are very

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps not smart questions, but I might not be the

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<v Speaker 1>only one wondering, So you know, now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, these are great questions. So when Carl

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<v Speaker 2>Sagan is just saying, you know, we were all stardust,

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<v Speaker 2>that's literally true. However, there was a little little piece

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<v Speaker 2>and that is actually how you get the metals and

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<v Speaker 2>the heavier elements out of a star is you have

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, heads up. A supernova is this giant explosion of

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<v Speaker 1>a star. Huge, huge, huge, that's a supernova. And a

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<v Speaker 1>nova is this transient brightening of a white dwarf star.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to what that is in a minute. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's burning off accumulated fuel. Novas that comes from the

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<v Speaker 1>word new because it's this pow sudden brightening. However, I

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<v Speaker 1>prefer this now antiquated Chinese term for novas, which is

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<v Speaker 1>guest stars like ooh, solar system guest star. I love

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<v Speaker 1>this nova excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Or nova in general. He doesn't have to be super

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<v Speaker 2>you can just be a regular one. So in that

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<v Speaker 2>process of a star going through its energetic life cycle

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<v Speaker 2>and collapsing in on itself and either blasting out violently

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<v Speaker 2>or just burping off its outer atmosphere, that's how you

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<v Speaker 2>It is that process, that process of the collapsing star,

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<v Speaker 2>the process of the dying star, that produces those heavier elements.

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<v Speaker 2>You need those violent reactions to get iron, to get uranium,

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<v Speaker 2>to get calcium, to get oxygen. I mean, that's how

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<v Speaker 1>So the Sun has to go through some really intense

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<v Speaker 4>As far as how compact it is, we really don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we have different types of stars. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>we have white dwarves, black holes, or stars that have

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<v Speaker 4>collapsed on themselves. So even black holes were stars, right

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<v Speaker 4>and they're mad. Shrink shrink shrink, shrink shrinks, and then

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<v Speaker 4>it'll explode. Our star is a G star and it's

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<v Speaker 4>right there and like midlife, So you have the early

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<v Speaker 4>and our son is just you know, if it was

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<v Speaker 4>based on like human expectancy, you know, like thirty five

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<v Speaker 4>or something, Okay, forty something, you know right around that age.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what are those types of stars? Because I'm unfamiliar,

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<v Speaker 1>but like you mentioned, all the way up to like

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know any of that.

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<v Speaker 4>So basically, it's the evolution of a star. Right starts

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<v Speaker 4>it just starts the cool over time, but the mass

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<v Speaker 4>same time, and then we move on to the Red Giants.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you ever read The Time Machine?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I haven't.

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<v Speaker 4>You never read the book at the time? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it good sci fi?

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<v Speaker 4>It is the best sci fi. Yes, you have to

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<v Speaker 4>read it. And it's not that long either. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's like at the most seventy pages.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll put it on my list. So yes, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>that on my reading list. And if you're like hgh. So,

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<v Speaker 1>Herbert George Wells wrote more than fifty novels and is

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<v Speaker 1>considered the father of sci fi. Also, people called him Birdie,

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<v Speaker 1>and he married his cousin, then they divorced, and he

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<v Speaker 1>married his mother lady, and then he had like one

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<v Speaker 1>million affairs on her. It's any of our business. But

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<v Speaker 1>the Time Machine novella put time travel in everyone's hearts

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<v Speaker 1>and minds, and also Birdie coined the term time travel.

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<v Speaker 1>So one day, maybe we'll all be time tourists, just

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<v Speaker 1>walking around stinky old castles or poking at dinosaur poo

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<v Speaker 1>and taking influencer photos in fits that are made from mammoth.

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<v Speaker 1>We can only hope either way. Quick rundown of stars

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<v Speaker 1>in case this makes you better at Jeopardy, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know any of this. Let's run it down. So our

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<v Speaker 1>hotter and hotter, until fusion happened and hydrogens became heliums now.

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<v Speaker 1>Main Sequence stars make up nine tenths of the stars

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<v Speaker 1>in the universe, and our sun technically is a G

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<v Speaker 1>type main sequence star, and the G is its spectral rating.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can be an O, A B, AN, A

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<v Speaker 1>an F, a G OK, you can be an M star.

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<v Speaker 1>O's are the hottest and the brightest, and M is

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<v Speaker 1>on the cooler and dimmer end, so we're like a G. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in there. Now, what is a red giant star?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a main sequence star that has begun to collapse,

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<v Speaker 1>but the helium fuses into carbon and then that extra

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<v Speaker 1>energy causes them to puff up until they dissipate and

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<v Speaker 1>they become a nebula, which is like a cloudy space

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<v Speaker 1>ghost made of dust and gas. Our star will eventually

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<v Speaker 1>become a red giant, but before that, a blown away

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<v Speaker 1>red giant's core is hanging out, and that's called a

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<v Speaker 1>white dwarf star, and that gets cooler and cooler and

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<v Speaker 1>cooler and cooler. Now, a neutron star is super dense.

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<v Speaker 1>It has an incredibly dense core and that's what's left

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<v Speaker 1>after a supernova. After a star's hydrogen core kind of

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<v Speaker 1>and neon and silicon and iron and neutron stars again,

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<v Speaker 1>very dense. Now, if that neutron star spins really fast,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a pulsar. Apparently some of these spin faster

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<v Speaker 1>than blender blades, So you get your little fingies out

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<v Speaker 1>of a neutron star for so many reasons. Now, red

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<v Speaker 1>dwarf stars, not red giant stars. Red dwarfs. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>smaller main sequence stars, and when they release energy, it

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<v Speaker 1>so it can recycle and keep mixing like a cement truck,

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<v Speaker 1>all the while remaining smaller and cooler and existing potentially

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<v Speaker 1>up to fourteen trillion years. Red dwarf stars are like

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<v Speaker 1>these modest stars. They live within their atomic means. They

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of poke a long do in life under

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<v Speaker 1>the radar, like a turtle mining its business. Now, brown

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<v Speaker 1>dwarf stars, ha, those aren't even actually stars. But they're

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than our Solar System's planets, but at their core

420
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<v Speaker 1>they're not really massive enough to do all that fusion

421
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<v Speaker 1>and they barely emit light, no offense, and that's fine. Now,

422
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<v Speaker 1>sometimes people refer to our sun as a yellow dwarf,

423
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<v Speaker 1>but you should ignore those people because they are wrong people.

424
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<v Speaker 1>So let's get back to our sun. Is it mad?

425
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<v Speaker 1>Is it stable? How close is it to just exploding

426
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<v Speaker 1>and then everyone's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a bit of time, it's about we're about

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<v Speaker 2>middle aged. So the Sun's about four and a half

429
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<v Speaker 2>billion years old, and the Sun will live to be

430
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<v Speaker 2>about nine niche billion years, so we be about halfway through.

431
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<v Speaker 2>As the Sun ages, its diameter will change, it will

432
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<v Speaker 2>puff up its outer atmosphere a bit, so fortunately will

433
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<v Speaker 2>be long gone by then. I mean, I certainly don't

434
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<v Speaker 2>expect to be around in a billion years neither. Yeah,

435
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<v Speaker 2>the but the outer atmosphere of the Sun will eventually

436
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<v Speaker 2>encompass the orbits of Mercury and Venus and Earth and

437
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<v Speaker 2>probably out to Mars. As it gets older, as so

438
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<v Speaker 2>many of us do, you get a little bit, you know,

439
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<v Speaker 2>a little larger around the waste and the Sun is

440
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<v Speaker 2>no difference. Yeah, And the Sun will actually puff out

441
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<v Speaker 2>and encompass those inner planets, and it will those interpellans

442
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<v Speaker 2>will fall into the sun itself as it's aging.

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<v Speaker 1>That means will get sucked in. So if the notion

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<v Speaker 1>of this is terrifying and exciting, please enjoy our recent

445
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<v Speaker 1>episode with doctor Robert Gamble on black hole theory cosmology,

446
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<v Speaker 1>which covers such things like we don't really fully know

447
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<v Speaker 1>what's happening in the universe or what will happen in

448
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<v Speaker 1>the future. What the point of life is? I guess

449
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<v Speaker 1>if you really zoom out, are we divine consciousness embodied

450
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<v Speaker 1>in what little sacks of love? Are bugs that invested paradise?

451
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<v Speaker 1>Don't ask me do you ever have existential crises? Or

452
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<v Speaker 1>are you over it?

453
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<v Speaker 2>No? I mean not about that, but you know, no,

454
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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think the thing that I really love

455
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<v Speaker 2>about astronomy and thinking about the Sun and in so

456
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<v Speaker 2>many different ways, is it's all cyclical. It's all cycles

457
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<v Speaker 2>and understanding that the cycles came before you to create you,

458
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<v Speaker 2>and then eventually the cycles will end, and the cycles

459
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<v Speaker 2>will continue and you won't be here, but the cycles

460
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<v Speaker 2>will continue. It's a little bit calming in a way.

461
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<v Speaker 2>It's not quite so terrifying as you know it's you're

462
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<v Speaker 2>going to be wiped out tomorrow by an asteroid that

463
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<v Speaker 2>might be terrify, more terrifying than the Sun's eventual death.

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<v Speaker 1>First, let's get some further humanoid background. How did these

465
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<v Speaker 1>two big, energetic, powerful brains study such a big, powerful

466
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<v Speaker 1>ball of energy? And what about your cycle to get

467
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<v Speaker 1>to where you are? How did you end up a heliologist? Akaa, heliophysicist,

468
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<v Speaker 1>which we're blowing both terms up right now, But how

469
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<v Speaker 1>did you end up studying this.

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<v Speaker 2>By accident?

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<v Speaker 4>Really? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, being a heliophysicist does not seem like something even

473
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<v Speaker 1>stumble into. But do elaborate, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I went to a small liberal arts college, Whitman College,

475
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<v Speaker 2>out of high school, and it was a very interesting

476
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<v Speaker 2>in astronomy. Loved the idea of the universe and dark

477
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<v Speaker 2>matter and all of those fun exciting topics. And I

478
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<v Speaker 2>was moving into the dorms my freshman year and I

479
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<v Speaker 2>was assigned a roommate and his dad was a heliophysicist

480
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<v Speaker 2>at Stanford, and I remember meeting him and thinking, man,

481
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<v Speaker 2>your job sounds terribly boring. And so that was my

482
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<v Speaker 2>first interaction with ialy physics, and I thought, boy, this

483
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<v Speaker 2>job sounds really boring. So went through my undergraduate degree

484
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<v Speaker 2>and still loved astronomy. And got a double degree in

485
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<v Speaker 2>physics and astronomy, and then didn't really know what I

486
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<v Speaker 2>was doing with my life. I moved back home with

487
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<v Speaker 2>my parents and worked as a caterer. Me too, I

488
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<v Speaker 2>worked as a I did landscaping, yeah, just picking up

489
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<v Speaker 2>odd jobs. And after about six months of that, I

490
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<v Speaker 2>realized that A I wasn't entirely happy with this life

491
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<v Speaker 2>living at home with my parents. It's not what I

492
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<v Speaker 2>aspired to and B I felt like I was wasting

493
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<v Speaker 2>this four year degree. I just got like, what am

494
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<v Speaker 2>I doing with my life? So that was a little

495
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<v Speaker 2>existential crisis thinking speaking of criseses. But at the same time,

496
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<v Speaker 2>I was, you know, blasting out my resume to anybody

497
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<v Speaker 2>in my network that I could think of, and I

498
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<v Speaker 2>was getting nowhere. I even remember cold calling John Mather,

499
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<v Speaker 2>who is the recent Nobel Prize winner at Goddard Space

500
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<v Speaker 2>Flight Center, just because I wanted to. It's like, here's

501
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<v Speaker 2>where I want to be, so maybe if I call him,

502
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<v Speaker 2>he'll have some advice. And he was really nice. I

503
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<v Speaker 2>say that that was amazing. Other scientists I cold called

504
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:26.480
<v Speaker 2>were not so nice, but he was. He was fantastic

505
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.839
<v Speaker 2>and again didn't actually give me any specific directions. So

506
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I decided to take a road trip across the country.

507
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:37.799
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, what, I'm not really doing anything.

508
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<v Speaker 2>I'll visit for friends. I'm just sort of frustrated. Oh man,

509
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<v Speaker 2>I was in Tennessee and I got a phone call

510
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<v Speaker 2>and it's somebody from Goddard Space Flight Center had my resume.

511
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<v Speaker 2>Would I be interested in an interview? Like yes, Like

512
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<v Speaker 2>I can be there in six and a half hours,

513
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<v Speaker 2>Like yes, I don't care what it is. And so

514
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<v Speaker 2>I came in and reviewed to work with Stan Pesnell,

515
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<v Speaker 2>who's the project scientist for this solar Dynamics Observatory mission,

516
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<v Speaker 2>and he offered me a job doing some scientific programming,

517
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<v Speaker 2>doing a little bit of science, and I just left

518
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<v Speaker 2>at the opportunity. And so, you know, not what, five

519
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<v Speaker 2>years after a meeting my roommate's dad, who I thought's

520
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:23.839
<v Speaker 2>job was terribly boring, here I am working at NASA

521
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<v Speaker 2>Goddard as a contractor doing telyphysics.

522
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<v Speaker 1>I have a feeling it is not boring, especially not

523
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<v Speaker 1>now when we've got an eclipse coming up in a

524
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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks.

525
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<v Speaker 2>This is probably the only time that everybody really is

526
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<v Speaker 2>interested in Heliophysicists otherwise we sort of fly under the radar.

527
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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, well, I think that everyone just doesn't understand

528
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<v Speaker 1>that the sun is to be understood. It's also solar flarees.

529
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<v Speaker 1>When there's a solar flare, it's gonna kick your network off.

530
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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's like cold call in heliophysicists being like what do

531
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<v Speaker 1>I do? What's going on? But that's amazing that you

532
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<v Speaker 1>ended up there, and also that you had the gumption

533
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<v Speaker 1>to call around and say, hey, anyone got any advice

534
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.039
<v Speaker 1>like that? You could just call Nobel Price Laurian and

535
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, extension four two five? What's that?

536
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:13.000
<v Speaker 4>So?

537
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I have to say that sometimes being naive

538
00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>actually is a good thing, because looking at back at

539
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:20.799
<v Speaker 2>it now, I was like, wow, that was really ballsy

540
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:24.000
<v Speaker 2>of me. But I didn't I didn't really think anything

541
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:25.759
<v Speaker 2>of it. It was just like, well, I don't know what

542
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:27.640
<v Speaker 2>else to do. Here's a cool guy that I'd love

543
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<v Speaker 2>to talk to. So sometimes just being naive and taking

544
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<v Speaker 2>a risk, you know it days off.

545
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<v Speaker 1>I asked India about her background and how she became

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<v Speaker 1>this rising star in heliology. Did you always know that

547
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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to go into something astronomical because I know

548
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<v Speaker 1>that you're you have a focus in math, you have

549
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<v Speaker 1>a very good math brain. So when did you turn

550
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<v Speaker 1>from math to the math of the cosmos.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I always loved astronomy and physics and especially the

552
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<v Speaker 4>computer science as more of a hobby or something that

553
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:06.079
<v Speaker 4>I did on the side, or something that I really loved.

554
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<v Speaker 4>So I would get like astronomy magazines, you know, physics today,

555
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:14.799
<v Speaker 4>those types of things, and I really didn't think that

556
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:21.079
<v Speaker 4>there was a direct avenue into physics and astronomy academically.

557
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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't until I got in touch with my alma

558
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<v Speaker 4>mater at the time, GSU. Their astro informantics group was

559
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<v Speaker 4>looking for a statitician to try to help them predict

560
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:35.240
<v Speaker 4>solar flares, and I was like, hey, I'm a statistician,

561
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:39.279
<v Speaker 4>maybe I can help. And then they were like, yeah,

562
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:41.039
<v Speaker 4>you sure can come on in. And then I started

563
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.720
<v Speaker 4>working with them and helping them do research with NASA.

564
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<v Speaker 4>And then my advisor, who wasn't my advisor at the time,

565
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:49.079
<v Speaker 4>he was like, you know that you can actually get

566
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<v Speaker 4>a PhD in this. Things are becoming more interdisciplinary because

567
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<v Speaker 4>you know, you have this idea that things are math, physics, computers,

568
00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:01.519
<v Speaker 4>you know, just hardcore but since computers started seeping into things,

569
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:04.960
<v Speaker 4>things started to become more interdisciplinary. And he was like, hey,

570
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 4>you do know that with your math background, you can

571
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<v Speaker 4>like seamlessly go into damn near any branch of science

572
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:15.359
<v Speaker 4>that you want with that math foundation, and we need

573
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:17.440
<v Speaker 4>you here, so you should consider it. And I was like, well,

574
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:21.079
<v Speaker 4>damn okay, yeah, let me try. And then I was

575
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.920
<v Speaker 4>accepted to GSU to get a PhD in astronomy. I

576
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:27.839
<v Speaker 4>started in astronomy, oh okay, and I moved over to physics.

577
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:32.559
<v Speaker 4>And that story shocks people, yeah when I tell them

578
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:35.599
<v Speaker 4>that transition from astronomy over to physics.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, even heliologists may not have a clear eight

580
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<v Speaker 1>minute path from where they started to where they landed,

581
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:46.519
<v Speaker 1>which means none of us have to fulfill that expectation.

582
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 1>Get the haircut, shoot the shot, figure out what you like,

583
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:54.240
<v Speaker 1>and you're good at No one's watching but you and

584
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:57.240
<v Speaker 1>you have this tiny tiny slice of time in that

585
00:31:57.319 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 1>body of yours under the sun to make it fun

586
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 1>and weird, maga weirder. So many existential crises are being

587
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:08.119
<v Speaker 1>fixed right now, but all eyes are well, hopefully not

588
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>directly on the sun, but are also on what you

589
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>do so the eclipse is coming up. Did you see

590
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<v Speaker 1>the twenty seventeen eclipse.

591
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<v Speaker 2>I did. I saw it in Central Oregon. I led

592
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 2>an outreach group for NASA Science in Madras, Oregon, so

593
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:25.279
<v Speaker 2>a small town in central Oregon got beautifully clear skies.

594
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<v Speaker 2>Fortunately I scheduled it so I wasn't actually working during

595
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.519
<v Speaker 2>the eclipse, which was the best decision ever, and was

596
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.319
<v Speaker 2>able to just be in a field with family and

597
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:38.400
<v Speaker 2>friends and watch the eclipse. And it is absolutely stunning.

598
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<v Speaker 2>There really are no words to fully describe it. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you see the twenty seventeen eclipse?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what? I didn't. And I had friends, a

601
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<v Speaker 1>bunch of friends, scientists, friends whoms I love, all took

602
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.920
<v Speaker 1>a road trip and at the last minute I didn't

603
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<v Speaker 1>go because I was working on this podcast called Ologies.

604
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<v Speaker 1>It was like two weeks before we launched, and I

605
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<v Speaker 1>missed it. And so it's been my dream since twenty

606
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<v Speaker 1>seventeen to see it because my friends, even skeptic friends,

607
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.680
<v Speaker 1>were like it was the most surreal feeling to watch

608
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<v Speaker 1>one of them. My friend doctor Carro Santa Maria was

609
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<v Speaker 1>covering it for nat GEO, and she said that she

610
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<v Speaker 1>was alive covering it and started crying. Fade, fade, We're here.

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<v Speaker 4>Here come the bailey beads. Now we can look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

613
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<v Speaker 2>Where it is.

614
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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

615
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<v Speaker 4>You can see the stars.

616
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<v Speaker 2>You can see the planets.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, you guys, I'm actually crying.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the most incredible thing I've ever seen in

619
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<v Speaker 2>my entire life.

620
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<v Speaker 1>What is that experience?

621
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<v Speaker 2>Like it is? I mean, it is all of that

622
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<v Speaker 2>in that seeing a total solar eclipse is in terms

623
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<v Speaker 2>of awe factors, people rank it just below seeing their

624
00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:01.160
<v Speaker 2>child being born. So it's that level of deeply amazing

625
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.559
<v Speaker 2>and you don't quite understand what's happening, but it is

626
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<v Speaker 2>really significant. If you saw a total solar eclips you'd

627
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<v Speaker 2>remember it. It's not something that you're not quite sure

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<v Speaker 2>if you saw it or not. You probably saw a

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<v Speaker 2>partial eclipse, and partial eclipse is neat. An annular eclipse

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty cool. A total solar eclipse is something you

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<v Speaker 2>tell your grandchildren about. I mean, it is orders of

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<v Speaker 2>magnitude scale different between the experiences. Personally, I would say

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<v Speaker 2>it is the most amazing on inspiring natural event you

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<v Speaker 2>could witness. So you know, if you go to see

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<v Speaker 2>Grand Canyon or the Redwood forests or any of those

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<v Speaker 2>other spectacular like makes you feel small amazing feelings. This

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<v Speaker 2>one is two three times better than that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot overstate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so more astounding than the Grand Canyon. And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you're offspring being born, depending on how honest you're being.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't have kids, but I do

642
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<v Speaker 1>have a picture of myself standing giddy at Arizona's Chasm

643
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:01.320
<v Speaker 1>in the earth, went alone. I had a stranger take

644
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 1>my picture. I loved it. So if you're getting jazzed

645
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>about even watching a live stream, let's set you up

646
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.519
<v Speaker 1>with some lingo. Okay, So, a partial eclipse. During this

647
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<v Speaker 1>the moon looks like it takes a bite out of

648
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<v Speaker 1>the Sun, but it doesn't cover it completely. And an

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<v Speaker 1>annular eclipse is not an annual eclipse, which is what

650
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<v Speaker 1>I thought it metaphirst. Rather, an annular eclipse is ring like,

651
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<v Speaker 1>so annular shares an etymology with anus, And an annular

652
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<v Speaker 1>eclipse is when the Moon covers the Sun, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Sun is larger in the sky than the moon, so

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<v Speaker 1>there's a large ring around it. Now, a total eclipse

655
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<v Speaker 1>is when the moon obscures the full Sun and we

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<v Speaker 1>only see a little bit of the Sun's corona, which

657
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<v Speaker 1>is that roiling upper atmosphere of the Sun, and it

658
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:50.599
<v Speaker 1>looks like a glow around this silhouetted moon. Now Bailey's beads, hmm,

659
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>that sounds fun. They are. They're twinkly little spots around

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<v Speaker 1>the corona. So as the Moon almost reaches totality, and

661
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<v Speaker 1>through these little twinkles, they're caused by the rough terrain

662
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<v Speaker 1>of the Moon's surface, letting some extra chunks of sunlight

663
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<v Speaker 1>shine in through those mountains. Now, the diamond ring, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a solitary Bailey speed and it shines like a diamond ring,

665
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 1>of course, but it's more expensive to behold, depending on

666
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<v Speaker 1>your hotel prices. But the diamond ring shows up right

667
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.079
<v Speaker 1>before totality. Now, the stages of a total or an

668
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<v Speaker 1>annular eclipse are stage one, when the Moon just first

669
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<v Speaker 1>starts obscuring the Sun with just a tiny bite. Stage

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<v Speaker 1>two is when the Moon is just about eclipsing the

671
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<v Speaker 1>whole lass sun. Totality is when it's at maximum coverage,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the third stage is as it's leaving. The

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<v Speaker 1>fourth is when there's just a tiny bit of moon

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<v Speaker 1>over the Sun. Now, the umbra that's the shadow you're

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<v Speaker 1>under during that total eclipse. But as you go out

676
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<v Speaker 1>from that center point the umbre and you just see

677
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<v Speaker 1>an eclipse is partial because of your angle relative to it.

678
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<v Speaker 1>That's called a pen umber and it means almost shadow. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>did you know that watching an eclipse can get you

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<v Speaker 1>shadow band only, and that there are these rippling light

681
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.119
<v Speaker 1>effects that might shimmer up surfaces and on the ground

682
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<v Speaker 1>between the first and second contact and after the third contact.

683
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<v Speaker 1>Those are called shadow bands. Gotcha, They're just called shadow bands.

684
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<v Speaker 1>Now in terms of the other shadow bands, I don't

685
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<v Speaker 1>know why your algorithm hates you. That's a different episode. Actually,

686
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:21.239
<v Speaker 1>specifically it's tech Topology with Hank Green, which we did

687
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.199
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna link of the show notes. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>eclipse wise, those are things to look out for if

689
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<v Speaker 1>you get yourself under the umbra of a total solar eclipse.

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<v Speaker 1>Life altering. I hear mesmerizing existence affirming something you can

691
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:41.800
<v Speaker 1>experience for a few minutes that contextualizes the fragility of

692
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:46.599
<v Speaker 1>life in the expanse of the cosmos. And I'm so

693
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.519
<v Speaker 1>excited it real Like I was just sitting here hout

694
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>with so many questions. It really makes me wonder big

695
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.639
<v Speaker 1>questions like how is traffic?

696
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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't awful, No, it was okay. I didn't have

697
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the worst time because I was anticipating terrible traffic, but

698
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.320
<v Speaker 2>it was pretty rough a lot of places.

699
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Because I missed it. I have had a dream to

700
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.920
<v Speaker 1>see it for the last seven years, and so just

701
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:16.599
<v Speaker 1>a few weeks ago, I decided to just bite the bullet,

702
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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to Caerville, Texas, which is two hours

703
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.199
<v Speaker 1>outside Austin. Okay, what if I missed my flight? Am

704
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I sad and screwed for one thousand years?

705
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:29.159
<v Speaker 2>So in twenty thirty three, there is the next solar

706
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<v Speaker 2>clips that will hit the US, but that's the north

707
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:35.400
<v Speaker 2>slope of Alaska, so about the Arctic Circle, so it'd

708
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.679
<v Speaker 2>be a trip anywhere in the continental US. Is twenty

709
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:41.480
<v Speaker 2>forty four, and that is going to hit just a

710
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 2>small little bite of Montana, North Dakota, so again pretty remote.

711
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 2>You'd have to make a real dedicated trip to see

712
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.039
<v Speaker 2>it in the continental US. So yeah, it is going

713
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<v Speaker 2>to be a while until we actually get a good

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00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:58.119
<v Speaker 2>chance in the continental US to see a total solar eclipse.

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<v Speaker 1>Non North Americans, I see you. We're going to have

716
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<v Speaker 1>more on global eclipses and a little bit hangtight. Also,

717
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:07.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry for all the miles and the Fahrenheits too.

718
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.360
<v Speaker 1>It's embarrassing. And now in eclipse we've got the Moon

719
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 1>comes in blocks the Sun. What do you study? Also?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you looking at the coronal ejections during an eclipse?

721
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:21.280
<v Speaker 1>How do heliophysicists approach this?

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<v Speaker 2>So eclipses historically have been life altering in terms of

723
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:29.000
<v Speaker 2>being able to see one for scientists. And I mean

724
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<v Speaker 2>that not just like it inspires a lot of awe

725
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<v Speaker 2>but it has you know, historically been the source of

726
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<v Speaker 2>confirming Einstein's theory of relativity, discovering helium, I mean like

727
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.519
<v Speaker 2>those level of discoveries. And now the science that we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing is much more focused on that Sun Earth relationship,

729
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:49.519
<v Speaker 2>is understanding the relationship between the Sun and how the

730
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<v Speaker 2>Sun influences the Earth. So the science that NASA is

731
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<v Speaker 2>doing for the total solar eclipse both focuses on the

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<v Speaker 2>corona and looking at flows and how material moves out

733
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<v Speaker 2>from the Sun, how the solar wind forms, all of

734
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<v Speaker 2>those ideas of material moving off of the Sun.

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<v Speaker 1>So scientists will be looking at the Sun through instruments

736
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<v Speaker 1>and they'll also turn their literal focus to Earth and

737
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<v Speaker 1>not the Sun at the same time. Why point their

738
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.800
<v Speaker 1>gaze away from the Sun. Isn't that like turning around

739
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:23.480
<v Speaker 1>backwards at a concert? What are these NASA scientists kill joys? Knuckleheads?

740
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<v Speaker 4>Now?

741
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<v Speaker 2>And the other side of things is I'm studying the ionosphere,

742
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:31.639
<v Speaker 2>the upper Earth's atmosphere that is partially ionized by the Sun.

743
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<v Speaker 2>So the atoms in the upper Earth's atmosphere get some

744
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:39.239
<v Speaker 2>electrons stripped off by solar radiation and form a partially

745
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<v Speaker 2>ionized plasma that covers all the Earth. Did you know

746
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<v Speaker 2>you're living underneath a cloud of plasma? I did not, No,

747
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:45.920
<v Speaker 2>you didn't.

748
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah the first noos No one told me, Oh god, dive,

749
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:50.280
<v Speaker 1>wasn't see seed on that?

750
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:52.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It's not bad though.

751
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:56.480
<v Speaker 1>And remember plasma is made of hydrogen and helium ions

752
00:40:56.599 --> 00:41:00.519
<v Speaker 1>in a goop alongside electrons. And as stated in the

753
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:06.039
<v Speaker 1>paper the Earth's Ionosphere a wallless plasma laboratory, the Earth's

754
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:11.239
<v Speaker 1>ionosphere is plasma esque at altitudes above eighty kilometers. So

755
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:15.360
<v Speaker 1>above eighty kilometers we have something plasma like. And where

756
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:19.039
<v Speaker 1>are satellites in this mix? They're orbiting Earth at about

757
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.880
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and sixty to two thousand kilometers high, so

758
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.920
<v Speaker 1>at the shallow end of that ionosphere plasma like stuff

759
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 1>that surrounds Earth. Also. Weirdly, as I was working on

760
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 1>this episode last night, I looked up and from my

761
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:35.800
<v Speaker 1>porch at sunset, I saw this huge glowing silver streak,

762
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.280
<v Speaker 1>and I realized I was watching a Falcon nine rocket launch,

763
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.440
<v Speaker 1>just cruising up like a Badminton birdie as casual as

764
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 1>a lost balloon. And it was carrying twenty two Starlink satellites.

765
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:48.079
<v Speaker 1>And if you want to hear more on that, you

766
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>can enjoy our space archaeology episode on the space Junk

767
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 1>and Garbage that orbits us with doctor Alice Gorman, which

768
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.679
<v Speaker 1>is linked in the show notes. But yes, how are

769
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:01.440
<v Speaker 1>these satellites affected by solar shenanigans?

770
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, if you're a satellite, it can be concerning,

771
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:05.960
<v Speaker 2>but if you're not in orbit, then you know it's

772
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.239
<v Speaker 2>actually been here our entire life and our entire existence.

773
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:14.119
<v Speaker 2>So the plasma can change depending on the amount of

774
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:18.039
<v Speaker 2>solar radiation hitting that diada ionosphere. So when the Sun

775
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:21.559
<v Speaker 2>is covered for a brief second, all of those processes

776
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:25.960
<v Speaker 2>that strip off electrons stop, and so there's a recombination.

777
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:29.280
<v Speaker 2>The nature of the plasma change in the ionosphere.

778
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so plasma recombination, it's a little bit like it sounds.

779
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:37.599
<v Speaker 1>The positive ions in plasma bump into an electron or

780
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.000
<v Speaker 1>a negative ion and they're like, hey, oh my god,

781
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:42.480
<v Speaker 1>how are you? And then they head off in the

782
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:46.079
<v Speaker 1>sunset to go make a new neutral atom. And yeah,

783
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:51.320
<v Speaker 1>that reverse ionization in the Earth's ionosphere plasma can happen

784
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:52.719
<v Speaker 1>when the Sun is covered for.

785
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.239
<v Speaker 2>A sec and then the Sun pops back out again

786
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and you can watch how all the ions change and

787
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:01.559
<v Speaker 2>then get reionized again the Sun comes back into view.

788
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:04.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's a really interesting natural experiment because you can

789
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.400
<v Speaker 2>watch all of this happen in real time and then

790
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:10.199
<v Speaker 2>watch how it changes and how it affects the rest

791
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:12.559
<v Speaker 2>of the atmosphere, how it moves out and waves across

792
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.639
<v Speaker 2>the atmosphere. And so there's a number of science experiments

793
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.920
<v Speaker 2>probing the ionosphere to try to understand what are the

794
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:23.320
<v Speaker 2>specific effects on the Sun and how do small changes

795
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:26.239
<v Speaker 2>in the Sun affect changes in our own atmosphere.

796
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:30.719
<v Speaker 1>And will helio physicists will they be hunkered down looking

797
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:35.719
<v Speaker 1>through instruments and running code, or do they set things

798
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<v Speaker 1>up to observe and then they all peace out and

799
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:41.400
<v Speaker 1>go to the path of totality and then meet back

800
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:44.400
<v Speaker 1>up on Wednesday or whatever to look at the data.

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00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Most people are the second type. A lot of our

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00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.920
<v Speaker 2>instrumentation are set to run automatically. We know where the

803
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Speaker 2>sun is in the sky. It's big and it's bright.

804
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.239
<v Speaker 2>It's easy to find. So a lot of the efforts

805
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:58.400
<v Speaker 2>are getting all of the experiments set up now. And

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<v Speaker 2>that being said, there are some real time adjustments that

807
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:02.559
<v Speaker 2>are being made.

808
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Michael says. Some heliophysicists are launching a suborbital rocket mission

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<v Speaker 1>to probe the Earth's honosphere and what will be a

810
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.320
<v Speaker 1>partial eclipse from their vantage point, but back down on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Though the majority of heliophysicists have their hotel booked three

812
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<v Speaker 2>years ahead of time. I know exactly where they're going

813
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:23.840
<v Speaker 2>to be. They have their eclipse glasses and are just

814
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:24.679
<v Speaker 2>going to enjoy it.

815
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:26.760
<v Speaker 1>What about you?

816
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 2>I will be in Dallas, Texas. So part of my

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<v Speaker 2>role at NASA is to lead the Healiophysics Education Activation

818
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<v Speaker 2>Team or NASA HEAT, and our job is to get

819
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<v Speaker 2>heliophysics out into informal and informal learning audiences, so that's classrooms,

820
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:46.400
<v Speaker 2>after school, clubs, talks, and societies. So we are doing

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<v Speaker 2>a big push in Dallas and we'll be at the

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas Arboretum watching the eclipse and doing activities with kids

823
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<v Speaker 2>and families.

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<v Speaker 1>And how many seconds or minutes of totality will there

825
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<v Speaker 1>be there? And can you explain a little bit about

826
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<v Speaker 1>why there's a path of totality and when it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>partial versus total?

828
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<v Speaker 3>Is it dark?

829
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So they in Dallas. I think we're getting just

830
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<v Speaker 2>about four minutes of totality, so that the path of

831
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<v Speaker 2>totality is it's it all comes down to the spherical

832
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<v Speaker 2>geometry of the Sun Earth Moon relationship. I mean, it

833
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<v Speaker 2>is literally just how things are positioned in the sky.

834
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<v Speaker 2>So the length of totality, how many minutes of totality

835
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<v Speaker 2>you get, are based on the distance from exactly where

836
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<v Speaker 2>you are, exactly where the moon is and exactly where

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<v Speaker 2>the Sun is down to you know, down to the

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<v Speaker 2>inches or millimeter level. If you start walking perpendicular to

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<v Speaker 2>the path, like as you're leaving the path, the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of totality will start falling off quite quickly, and so

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<v Speaker 2>by the time you reach the edge of the path

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<v Speaker 2>of totality, the Sun is no longer completely blocked by

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<v Speaker 2>the Moon from your perspective, and you get zero minutes

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<v Speaker 2>of totality.

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<v Speaker 1>For this April eighth, twenty twenty four North American one.

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<v Speaker 2>Though the path width is I want to say, one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty miles wide, So for in sixty miles

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<v Speaker 2>ago from the exact right place to see that alignment

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<v Speaker 2>between the Sun, Moon and Earth to give you four

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<v Speaker 2>minutes where the Moon is completely blocking the Sun, and

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<v Speaker 2>then sixty miles away you are exactly in the wrong

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00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.199
<v Speaker 2>place or just missed that, and you only see a

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00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:26.679
<v Speaker 2>partial eclipse. It's a deep partial, like ninety nine percent coverage,

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00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:30.159
<v Speaker 2>but it's still just a partial eclipse. So it's amazing

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00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:33.519
<v Speaker 2>to think, like these are human scale sizes, Like you

856
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.559
<v Speaker 2>can drive sixty miles in an afternoon. It's easy to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is the major difference between a partial and total.

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<v Speaker 2>So eclipse is that position. So all of those relative

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<v Speaker 2>positions and relative sizes of things in the sky all

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00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:52.199
<v Speaker 2>line up perfectly to be in that path of totality

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<v Speaker 2>for that few fleeting minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so I'm so excited. I definitely feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>have made the right decision to haul myself to Texas

864
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.360
<v Speaker 1>for this, Like I've been regretting it for seven years,

865
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.840
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like I'm due for another life changing

866
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:11.199
<v Speaker 1>every seven years, Right, I can have a little life

867
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:14.559
<v Speaker 1>changing as a treat. Can I ask you some questions

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00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:16.039
<v Speaker 1>that listeners have submitted?

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00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely?

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00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:18.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we got a lot of questions. We have two

871
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<v Speaker 1>guests and a solar event on the horizon, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get to those questions, including the audio questions.

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<v Speaker 1>You can submit if you're in the ologies, Pals, Friends

874
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:29.119
<v Speaker 1>or BFF tire. But before we do, let's donate to

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00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:31.760
<v Speaker 1>a few relevant charities and one I hear that is

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00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:36.320
<v Speaker 1>doing amazing work is Astronomers Without Borders and April is

877
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Global Astronomy Month and Astronomers without Borders does sidewalk astronomy,

878
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:46.079
<v Speaker 1>online observation events, astro arts and crafts, and sharing of

879
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:49.679
<v Speaker 1>observational equipment via celestron and more. So to learn more,

880
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.159
<v Speaker 1>you can go to Astronomers Without Borders dot org. And

881
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:54.400
<v Speaker 1>we're also going to donate to a cause in India's name,

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00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.960
<v Speaker 1>which is the Grady Memorial Hospital Health Foundation, which is

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<v Speaker 1>based in Atlanta and whose mission is to work tirelessly

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<v Speaker 1>to ensure that every individual in the Metro Atlantic community

885
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:09.280
<v Speaker 1>is guaranteed access to world class, compassionate healthcare, regardless of

886
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:12.320
<v Speaker 1>their ability to pay. And they are a Grady Memorial

887
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Hospital Health Foundation. So those donations were made possible by

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00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.440
<v Speaker 1>sponsors of the show. Okay, your questions. First, one off

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00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:21.960
<v Speaker 1>is from Diana from Daniel Martin.

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<v Speaker 6>Good Hey, Ellie, Daniel here from Australia. I had a

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00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:30.280
<v Speaker 6>question about solar eclipses or is it a eclipses? What

892
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:31.639
<v Speaker 6>is the plural of eclipse?

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00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, I've heard both. I say eclipses, but I've heard

894
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:41.079
<v Speaker 2>eclipses as well, so I prefer to say eclipses, but

895
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:42.800
<v Speaker 2>that might be in an American English thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah. But main question, Daniel says is.

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<v Speaker 6>Total solar eclipses seem to have been quite uncommon here

898
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<v Speaker 6>in Australia, at least from my experience. Is that actually

899
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<v Speaker 6>the case? Are the places in the world where total

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00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.199
<v Speaker 6>solar eclipses are more likely to occur? And if so, why?

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00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, this is actually a really fun question, So

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00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:08.679
<v Speaker 2>don't worry, Australia is going to get plenty of eclipses

903
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.559
<v Speaker 2>coming up here in the next decade, So yes, you've

904
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:14.840
<v Speaker 2>had not many, but I think in the twenty thirties

905
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:18.119
<v Speaker 2>or maybe it's like twenty twenty nine through twenty thirty nine,

906
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:20.559
<v Speaker 2>Australia is going to see something like three or four

907
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:25.280
<v Speaker 2>eclipses across the continent. So Australia is a great place

908
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:25.559
<v Speaker 2>to be.

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00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Coming up Australia. I've never seen you in person, but

910
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.360
<v Speaker 1>one day I want to meet your wombats, I want

911
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:34.360
<v Speaker 1>to meet your kangaroos, I want to see your ologites.

912
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:38.679
<v Speaker 1>But you last saw an eclipse, hopefully safely with glasses,

913
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:41.440
<v Speaker 1>on the day of Our Lord four twenty in twenty

914
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:43.599
<v Speaker 1>twenty three. It's like a year ago. But if you

915
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.679
<v Speaker 1>missed it, you can mark your calendar for July twenty second,

916
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:49.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty eight. Put a note in your phone as

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00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Sydney is right in the path of totality. And you've

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00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:55.639
<v Speaker 1>also got a few in the next decade. November twenty fifth,

919
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty July thirteenth, twenty thirty seven, December twenty sixth,

920
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:03.239
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty eight. Put them in your phone. But if

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00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.440
<v Speaker 1>you miss the twenty thirty eight one, you better be

922
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:07.599
<v Speaker 1>in good health because you're gonna be waiting another thirty

923
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.360
<v Speaker 1>years for one in Australia. I know someone prone to

924
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:12.960
<v Speaker 1>putting things off. Don't pull them me. Get your tickets,

925
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Get book your flights.

926
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:19.079
<v Speaker 2>Book your flights now, hotels, rental cars, yeah, just get

927
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:19.920
<v Speaker 2>it all done right now.

928
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I cannot find a rental car in Austin. By the way,

929
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:25.719
<v Speaker 1>we were looking on Craigslist to maybe buy like a

930
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>two thousand dollars a twenty year old car to use

931
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:31.280
<v Speaker 1>for the week and then just sell it before we go.

932
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:33.679
<v Speaker 1>We're like, is that legal? I don't know. Yeah, rental

933
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:37.199
<v Speaker 1>cars scarce in Austin. And now what about other continents?

934
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Do helu physicists today go around like solar storm chasing

935
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:44.719
<v Speaker 1>or clips chasing like tornado experts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, in a word, yes, I have a couple of

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00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:52.760
<v Speaker 2>good friends that will spend thousands, tens of thousands of

938
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:55.440
<v Speaker 2>dollars to see solar eclipses. This is their own personal

939
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:58.639
<v Speaker 2>money on personal vacation time. I mean, they're not funded

940
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to do a research project anything like that. It's just

941
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.639
<v Speaker 2>because they love them so much. So going to see

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00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:06.400
<v Speaker 2>a total solar eclipse is definitely about the journey as

943
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:08.840
<v Speaker 2>it is. I'm about seeing the eclipse itself.

944
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<v Speaker 1>There's a word for this, and it's umbrephile, meaning someone

945
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.840
<v Speaker 1>who's drawn to the shadow. So if you like eclipses,

946
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:19.400
<v Speaker 1>feel free to update that hinge profile. Nerds find each other.

947
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.880
<v Speaker 2>So the next total solar eclipse after this one is

948
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:26.960
<v Speaker 2>in Iceland and Spain, which I think sounds like a

949
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:30.159
<v Speaker 2>pretty cool journey, so I hope to be in Spain

950
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:34.480
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty six. But more generally, clipses happen in

951
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:38.559
<v Speaker 2>the northern hemisphere a little more frequently than the southern hemisphere,

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<v Speaker 2>and this statistically bears out over five thousand years if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at five thousand years of eclipses and put

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<v Speaker 2>all the paths on a map and stack them on

955
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<v Speaker 2>top of each other. NASA actually has a great visualization

956
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<v Speaker 2>of this.

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<v Speaker 1>If you need a picture, I mosey on over to

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<v Speaker 1>the NASA site five thousand years of Total Solar Eclipses,

959
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<v Speaker 1>which featured a printable map should you need it. With

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00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:06.000
<v Speaker 1>more eclipses represented in lighter, warmer colors like a heat map,

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00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:10.159
<v Speaker 1>and the northern hemisphere, you are certainly favored to see them,

962
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:13.880
<v Speaker 1>And the NASA site says kind of jauntily a total

963
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:16.639
<v Speaker 1>solar eclipse can happen absolutely anywhere on Earth. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>there isn't a single pixel on the map that isn't

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00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:21.679
<v Speaker 1>visited by at least one eclipse. They say, not a

966
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:24.920
<v Speaker 1>single goose egg in any of the fourteen point six

967
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.760
<v Speaker 1>million points sampled by the map. That's good odd over

968
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:29.719
<v Speaker 1>a long period of time.

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00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:34.639
<v Speaker 2>The reason for this is the seasons. In the Northern Hemisphere,

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00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:39.280
<v Speaker 2>the Sun appears slightly smaller in the sky during the

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00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:43.920
<v Speaker 2>summertime than the Southern Hemisphere southern summertime, So when you

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00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:46.480
<v Speaker 2>have the Sun appearing slightly smaller in the sky because

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00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:49.400
<v Speaker 2>we're a little bit further away, it's easier for the

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00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.199
<v Speaker 2>moon to line up to block the entire disc of

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00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:56.760
<v Speaker 2>the Sun. That being said, you know, on average, I

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00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:59.400
<v Speaker 2>think it's three hundred and twenty to three hundred and

977
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:03.599
<v Speaker 2>sixty years between any one location having eclipses. So you know,

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00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:06.559
<v Speaker 2>if you're standing on the ground, on average, you can

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00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.079
<v Speaker 2>wait three hundred and sixty years between seeing an eclipse.

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00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I think in the Northern Hemisphere it's like three hundred

981
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:13.079
<v Speaker 2>and twenty years, in the Southern Hemisphere it's like four

982
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.960
<v Speaker 2>hundred and ten years or something like that. So it

983
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:19.360
<v Speaker 2>is more than a human lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you gotta really take your vitamins. Oh, Hydrick, if

985
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:25.920
<v Speaker 1>you want to catch that, if you want to not travel.

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00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:30.599
<v Speaker 1>It's been eighty four years. So this next one was

987
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:33.960
<v Speaker 1>on the minds of patrons Olivia Lester, Kara Young, Rachel Kamara,

988
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Amanda l Ask, Bonnie M. Rutherford, Sam Gilbert, Megan Walker, shown,

989
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Thomas Kine, Tyra Peria. First time question asker is Dylan

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00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:43.159
<v Speaker 1>s and Claire Ritchie, as well as Jen Baker, who

991
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:47.360
<v Speaker 1>asked why how do sun farts flares affect us?

992
00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:47.840
<v Speaker 3>And?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi? This is Deborah from Placentia.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you explain the relationship between solar flares and sun spots? Thanks,

995
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:04.440
<v Speaker 4>that's actually a question. A sun spot is you can

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<v Speaker 4>physically see a sun spot. It's like a black hole

997
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:11.079
<v Speaker 4>on the sun. It's like an actual black hole. A

998
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:14.119
<v Speaker 4>solar flare you can see in videos. It's an actual

999
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:14.960
<v Speaker 4>goddamn flare.

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00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:18.440
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty cool, like a flame kind of coming off.

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<v Speaker 4>No, that's the CME. Well, I'm not gonna say first

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<v Speaker 4>in sequence. We don't know if it's in sequence. We

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<v Speaker 4>know that the probability of a sun spot, then a flair,

1004
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:33.360
<v Speaker 4>then a CNME being in sequenced is pretty high. Okay,

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00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:39.199
<v Speaker 4>I'll say that. But sun spot shows through the corona.

1006
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:44.000
<v Speaker 4>It's a cooler spot there, Flair, it's the same spot,

1007
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:48.880
<v Speaker 4>but it's flashing now okay. And then the cme huge

1008
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:52.920
<v Speaker 4>bubble coming out of it, and that's a coronal mass ejection.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay. And where does does the bubble like pop

1010
00:54:56.960 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 1>and yurb? What's in that urb?

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00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:05.079
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's like a jump rope, so it's not an

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00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.480
<v Speaker 4>actual bubble. It's like a jump rope. It's like a

1013
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:11.800
<v Speaker 4>cord and then snap sometimes, I mean well every time

1014
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:13.920
<v Speaker 4>it will snap. It doesn't just stay there forever.

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00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Does it floop around like one of those one of

1016
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:19.559
<v Speaker 1>those gas station dancing socks.

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00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:23.559
<v Speaker 4>Not from what I've seen, Not saying that it won't

1018
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:25.440
<v Speaker 4>ever happen, but not from what I've seen. From what

1019
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:28.440
<v Speaker 4>I've seen, it's just it. It's like a loop and

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<v Speaker 4>then the plasma starts to fall down from the loop,

1021
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<v Speaker 4>and it's pretty cool to see. But we do believe

1022
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<v Speaker 4>that they are connected, but we don't have concrete proof

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<v Speaker 4>that it's in sequenced spot flare seeing me.

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<v Speaker 1>Will these mess up your life or do you have

1025
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:48.920
<v Speaker 1>to do that yourself? Jen's Girl Alvarez had a question

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<v Speaker 1>about the Sun.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, this is Jensquirrel Alvarez. I have a question about

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<v Speaker 3>the Sun. What's the deal with solar flares? And why

1029
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<v Speaker 3>do they fuck up GPS and all that stuff? And

1030
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<v Speaker 3>can I just blame all of their prop on solar flares?

1031
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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I should be able to.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, So a solar flare is an eruption on

1033
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<v Speaker 2>the Sun where you get twisted magnetic fields on the

1034
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<v Speaker 2>Sun to the point where they actually break and reconnect

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<v Speaker 2>with each other. So this is called magnetic reconnection. It's

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly energetic Visually. You can think of it as like

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<v Speaker 2>if you take a rubber band and you twist it

1038
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<v Speaker 2>too much. I don't know, Like I had one of

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00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:23.480
<v Speaker 2>those little airplanes growing up where it was a rubber

1040
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:25.599
<v Speaker 2>band driven one. You wind the propeller and if you

1041
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<v Speaker 2>got a little too enthusiastic, like I did many times

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<v Speaker 2>you wind it too many times, the rubber band would

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<v Speaker 2>snap and then it would hurt your fingers, and yeah,

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00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:36.400
<v Speaker 2>your a little plane would be ruined. That is kind

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00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:39.199
<v Speaker 2>of equivalent to what happens on the Sun. So you

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00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:42.360
<v Speaker 2>get magnetic fields twisting and swirling around each other, and

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00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:46.920
<v Speaker 2>you get enough sheer, enough twisting in those magnetic fields

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00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.800
<v Speaker 2>where they actually will reconnect, they'll break and release a

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00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:54.440
<v Speaker 2>bunch of energy, and the amount of energy that's something

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00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:58.159
<v Speaker 2>like a medium sized solar flare releases more energy in

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<v Speaker 2>a few seconds than all of humanity has ever used.

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<v Speaker 2>No rout. Yeah, so everything from fires, caveman fires all

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00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:08.679
<v Speaker 2>the way up to nuclear reactors, everything that releases more

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00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:12.159
<v Speaker 2>energy in that a few seconds than humanity's ever used. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>very energetic.

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<v Speaker 1>I checked into this and yeah, via NASA, the energy

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00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:18.960
<v Speaker 1>burped off from a solar flare can be ten million

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00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:23.239
<v Speaker 1>times greater than the energy released from a volcanic explosion.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that not scary enough? Okay? NASA also whispered to

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<v Speaker 1>me on one of its websites that the most powerful

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<v Speaker 1>solar flares have the energy equivalent of a billion hydrogen bombs,

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00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:37.559
<v Speaker 1>enough energy to power the whole world for twenty thousand years.

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<v Speaker 1>Solar panels bring them on to the Sun though a

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00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:44.440
<v Speaker 1>solar flare barely notices, just a little blip. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>telling someone who's the most gorgeous person you've ever seen,

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00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:50.400
<v Speaker 1>you like their kneecaps. They're like, okay, thanks solar flares

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00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:52.400
<v Speaker 1>not that big a deal to the Sun. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing that we have pocket computers and heliophysicists

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00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:59.119
<v Speaker 1>that have Excel sheets to keep an eye on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in eighteen fifty nine, there were two amateur astronomers

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00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:06.159
<v Speaker 1>who happened to notice what is thought to have been

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<v Speaker 1>a massive coronal mass ejection a CME on the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of the Sun. And one of them was Richard Carrington,

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<v Speaker 1>for whom the great solar storm known as the Carrington

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00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Event of eighteen fifty nine was named. The other guy

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<v Speaker 1>was Richard Hodgson. He got a raw deal. Nothing named

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<v Speaker 1>after him that I know of. That's just my opinion.

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00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:26.800
<v Speaker 1>So okay, what was this? What happened? A few patrons

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00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:30.239
<v Speaker 1>had questions, including about the scale of it through our

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00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:34.320
<v Speaker 1>modern eyes, Bonnie and Rutherford, Kelly Schaeffer, Carrington Event enthusiast

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00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Tim and Cassidy McKee. So India told me a little

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00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:38.800
<v Speaker 1>bit more about this legendary space weather.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you heard of the Carrington Event? Never heard of that? Okay,

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00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:43.320
<v Speaker 4>you should look that up to This happened in the

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00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:47.639
<v Speaker 4>eighteen hundreds and it caused child what the head bag?

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00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:51.280
<v Speaker 4>Then the little Morse coal thing oh.

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00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I forget telograms.

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00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:59.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll go with that. It caused issues

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00:58:59.039 --> 00:58:59.280
<v Speaker 4>with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this thing hit the Earth's magnetosphere hard, possibly because

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<v Speaker 1>one right before it cleared the way via its own

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00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:13.000
<v Speaker 1>solar wind. But as a result, the telegraph operational systems

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00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:17.239
<v Speaker 1>were jacked, Sparks flew from some of the towers, some

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00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:22.280
<v Speaker 1>telegraph lines ran despite not being plugged into power at all. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the night sky all the way from the poles to

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00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:30.599
<v Speaker 1>the equator was streaked with auroras. These gauzy, pink to

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00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:35.239
<v Speaker 1>sometimes blood red tendrils described by one witness as quote

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00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:40.480
<v Speaker 1>crimson fleecy vapors. And these appeared at much lower latitudes

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<v Speaker 1>than one would ever expect from a geomagnetic aura, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a late summer light show that stopped us Earthlings

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00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:52.239
<v Speaker 1>in our tracks in eighteen fifty nine to stare up

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00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:55.360
<v Speaker 1>at the sky. And yeah, it also stopped some telegraph

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00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:59.239
<v Speaker 1>operators in their tracks because they were zapped into unconsciousness. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading through this paper the Carrington solar flares

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01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:05.800
<v Speaker 1>of eighteen fifty nine consequences on life, and I didn't

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01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:08.800
<v Speaker 1>see any mention of deaths attributed to the Carrington event.

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01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.840
<v Speaker 1>But of course, they couldn't have polled everyone. Now. It

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01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:14.880
<v Speaker 1>did note, however, that the US press of the time

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01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:20.519
<v Speaker 1>indicated some anecdotal incidences of abnormal behavior, like an increase

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01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:24.360
<v Speaker 1>in public drunkenness in New Orleans. Let them party, it's

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01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:27.119
<v Speaker 1>an event now. It also continues that the only statistical

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01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:31.119
<v Speaker 1>anomaly which could be found is an increase in birth

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01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:35.400
<v Speaker 1>rates in Paris nine months after the Carrington event. Hey,

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01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:39.199
<v Speaker 1>is your romantic connection electric or is it just the

1115
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:44.960
<v Speaker 1>actual atmosphere lavian rose colored sky? Perhaps so. Now when

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01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.679
<v Speaker 1>we refer to a Carrington class event, it's like, who

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01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:51.639
<v Speaker 1>that's a big boy. Now. As for Richard Carrington himself,

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01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:54.440
<v Speaker 1>life did not pan out in his favor. I checked

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01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:58.119
<v Speaker 1>out this book The Sun Kings, The Unexpected Tragedy of

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01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Richard Carrington and the Tale of How Modern Astronomy Began

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01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:05.760
<v Speaker 1>by Stuart Clark, and it details that beneath the veneer

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01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:12.159
<v Speaker 1>of Carrington's scientific success was the consuming rot of family duty.

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01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:16.159
<v Speaker 1>He inherited his family's brewery, which consumed most of his

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01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:19.760
<v Speaker 1>time just logging through it and getting to his astronomy passion,

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01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:22.199
<v Speaker 1>which was really good at just became harder and harder

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01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:24.920
<v Speaker 1>and harder, and he applied and was passed up for

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01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:28.960
<v Speaker 1>a job at Cambridge because of some office politics. And

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<v Speaker 1>then his wife was found dead in her bed of

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01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:36.000
<v Speaker 1>a sedative overdose, and he was kind of low key

1130
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:39.000
<v Speaker 1>blamed for it, like maybe he killed her, but people

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01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:42.360
<v Speaker 1>said he didn't. And then he died alone in his

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01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.559
<v Speaker 1>mom's house, locked in a room, shortly thereafter, of a

1133
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:49.719
<v Speaker 1>sudden brain hemorrhage, though the room was littered with empty

1134
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:52.440
<v Speaker 1>bottles of the same sedative that killed his wife, Rosa.

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01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:57.760
<v Speaker 1>So he in his will gave two scientific societies two

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01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:00.840
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars each. That's a ton of money, even though

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01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:04.079
<v Speaker 1>one didn't even acknowledge him after his death. Can you

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01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:04.519
<v Speaker 1>believe that?

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01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:05.400
<v Speaker 4>Rude?

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01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:09.599
<v Speaker 1>He also asked to be buried his favorite observatory spot

1141
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:11.800
<v Speaker 1>on a hill, but his mother was like nah, and

1142
01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:14.320
<v Speaker 1>just chose to bury him elsewhere. But above his grave

1143
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:17.679
<v Speaker 1>is an inscription in Latin that says, thus do we

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01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:21.360
<v Speaker 1>reach the stars? So in death he is remembered and

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01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:24.639
<v Speaker 1>his life and the Carrington event is said to have

1146
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:30.159
<v Speaker 1>birthed the whole new interest in space weather. Also really

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01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:33.679
<v Speaker 1>thinking about Richard Hodgson, the other amateur astronomer, I think

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01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:36.199
<v Speaker 1>he got off just fine. Now, what if you want

1149
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:40.639
<v Speaker 1>to see an aurora without it being a gigantic, unpredictable sunstorm.

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01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:44.440
<v Speaker 1>So you patrons had aurora spotting questions such as Shannon

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01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:47.480
<v Speaker 1>no Grady, Eileen Lands, Matt Thompson, Cool, Nickstar, and first

1152
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:51.119
<v Speaker 1>time question asker Ashland Noble, and Michelle Cabrera who wrote

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01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:53.719
<v Speaker 1>in a few years back, my husband and I drove

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01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:55.960
<v Speaker 1>to the northern ass end of Finland to see the

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01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:58.719
<v Speaker 1>aurora for my birthday. Only, just as we were getting

1156
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:01.119
<v Speaker 1>packed and ready to go, hubby happened to check out

1157
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:03.599
<v Speaker 1>solar activity for that year and month and found out

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01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:05.679
<v Speaker 1>that we were at the bottom ass end of the

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01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:08.440
<v Speaker 1>eleven year cycle of solar activity.

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<v Speaker 6>Boo.

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01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:11.840
<v Speaker 1>But we did manage to see some northern lights and

1162
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:14.119
<v Speaker 1>we thought they were amazing. But we were so little

1163
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:17.880
<v Speaker 1>bummed at the idea of minimal northern lights. So a

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01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:20.840
<v Speaker 1>little advice. Some say that the best place to post

1165
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:24.440
<v Speaker 1>up is in the upper northern hemisphere at the time

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01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:29.159
<v Speaker 1>of the spring and the autumn equinoxes, with October giving

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01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:33.440
<v Speaker 1>a better shot at clearer skies. Now we're at a

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01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:37.000
<v Speaker 1>solar maximum, all right, we're solar cycle twenty five. It

1169
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:39.960
<v Speaker 1>peaks in July of twenty twenty five, so you have

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01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:43.440
<v Speaker 1>an even better chance at catching a glimpse of auroras,

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01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:47.760
<v Speaker 1>which are solar flares and CMEs those coronal mass ejections.

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01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Michael explains.

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01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:52.039
<v Speaker 2>So what happens is there's a ton of radiation that

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01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:54.960
<v Speaker 2>gets blasted off there, and I mean like X rays,

1175
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:58.679
<v Speaker 2>ultraviolet radiation. If it's really big, you'll get to see

1176
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:01.719
<v Speaker 2>some visible light coming out of it. And it's just

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01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:05.039
<v Speaker 2>all this high energy radiation rushing towards the Earth. And

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01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:09.840
<v Speaker 2>what can happen is it can a change the ionosphere,

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01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:13.079
<v Speaker 2>so it can disrupt signals passing through the ionosphere. So

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01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:16.920
<v Speaker 2>GPS satellite it's in orbit, its signal passes through the

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01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:21.119
<v Speaker 2>ionosphere and comes to your phone. When that ionosphere is disrupted,

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01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:24.679
<v Speaker 2>those signals can get moved around and you can get

1183
01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:27.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, your uncertainty on your GPS goes from a

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01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.039
<v Speaker 2>few feet to you know, a half mile or something

1185
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:31.599
<v Speaker 2>like that, so you can get lost. It can say

1186
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:37.039
<v Speaker 2>you're someplace else. Yeah. The other thing is with chronal

1187
01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:40.760
<v Speaker 2>mass ejections, they're sometimes related, sometimes not. So that's when

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01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:43.199
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of plasma comes off the Sun. This

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01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:47.239
<v Speaker 2>is a big burst of electrons, protons and neutrons all

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01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:51.039
<v Speaker 2>in this magnetic cloud. It comes racing off the Sun

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01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:55.599
<v Speaker 2>and that can actually impact satellites itself. So the electronics

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01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:57.280
<v Speaker 2>on satellite, and you know, you have a bunch of

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01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:00.320
<v Speaker 2>free electricity just floating around in magnetic fields. It's not

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01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:03.480
<v Speaker 2>so great for sensitive electronics. Every time there's a big

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01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:07.119
<v Speaker 2>solar storm, there's usually a satellite that is tough coming

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01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:09.760
<v Speaker 2>back online again. So that's that's really the other effect.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you could blame all of your

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01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:14.840
<v Speaker 2>problems on solar flares, but I mean it's not a

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01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:17.400
<v Speaker 2>bad excuse. If you got lost on the way to

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01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:19.800
<v Speaker 2>the grocery store or to your office or something like that, Yeah,

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01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:21.239
<v Speaker 2>you could probably blame solar flare.

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01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:24.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna blame I'm just gonna blame solar flash everything,

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01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:26.639
<v Speaker 1>if that's okay. Thanks so much. Many of you had

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01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:30.519
<v Speaker 1>solar storm anxiety, and I'm looking at you. Chryslis, Ashton Edward, Rice,

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01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:34.199
<v Speaker 1>Anna Thompson, Kendall, am Andy Townsend, Earl of Grahamiltan, Aurora Cullen,

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01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:37.400
<v Speaker 1>first time question Master's Pachcha, Domino Cone and Claire Richie

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01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:39.599
<v Speaker 1>who asked, how scared should we be of solar flares?

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<v Speaker 1>Eke I asked India. She did not mince words. Okay,

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01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and now what can we do to prepare if we

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01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:48.880
<v Speaker 1>know a solar store is coming? I mean other than sunscreen?

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01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:50.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:53.039
<v Speaker 1>I don you think we could do do? But a

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01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:55.199
<v Speaker 1>tinfoil hat? Does a tinfoil hat help?

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01:05:55.400 --> 01:06:03.400
<v Speaker 4>Well? We know it's common mm hmm. We can build

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01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:07.840
<v Speaker 4>things so that it's harder to penetrate through, you know,

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01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.880
<v Speaker 4>just like if a tornado's coming, What can we do prepare? Yeah,

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01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:14.440
<v Speaker 4>get your ass in the basement and let it do

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01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:16.880
<v Speaker 4>his thing, you know, like it's just like any other

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01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:22.960
<v Speaker 4>type of weather. We can't stop it, we can't prevent it. Yeah,

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01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:24.840
<v Speaker 4>we could just brace your fucking self.

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01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:28.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and I had.

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01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:32.280
<v Speaker 1>To sound so, you know, but it's the sun. It's huge,

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01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:36.559
<v Speaker 1>it's huge, yellow and bright. Wait is it yellow? What

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01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:39.840
<v Speaker 1>am I talking about? I don't know. Patrons Christine Pisteine

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01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Eso Party, Alyssa, Gregory Matt Herschel, Mariann Breckenridge, Appolina Pinia,

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01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Megan Kelly, Charlie McKenzie, and first time question askers Katie

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<v Speaker 1>Munos carry lincourt on behalf of May who is ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry about my swears. We do have classroom safe episodes

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01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:54.960
<v Speaker 1>called somologies, which are g rated. But everyone wanted to

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01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:58.679
<v Speaker 1>know about colors. Alison hats Owl and siram Mans wanted

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01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:01.559
<v Speaker 1>to know why the sun were sung because in cyrus words,

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01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:04.079
<v Speaker 1>whose light is she shielding? We'll never know about the

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01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:07.719
<v Speaker 1>fashion secrets, but let's ask Michael about colors. On behalf

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01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:08.639
<v Speaker 1>of those other patrons.

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<v Speaker 2>So the sun produces all wavelengths of light, So every

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01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:14.960
<v Speaker 2>single wavelength of light there is from gamma rays all

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01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:17.840
<v Speaker 2>the way down to radio waves, so sun produces them

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01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:21.199
<v Speaker 2>all the spectrum of light that it produces, so it

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01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:23.440
<v Speaker 2>produces all those different colors. If you look at the

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01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:27.800
<v Speaker 2>visible spectrum, the visible spectrum of light from the sun

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01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:31.960
<v Speaker 2>peaks in sort of the pale yellow to yellow green color.

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01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:34.960
<v Speaker 2>So like right there, that's the peak of the spectrum.

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01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:39.199
<v Speaker 2>So that is the color of light coming off the

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01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:41.960
<v Speaker 2>sun in sort of a generic case. But if you

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01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:43.960
<v Speaker 2>go into space and you take a picture like astronauts

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<v Speaker 2>did when they were on the moon, the sun looks white.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it is a white color to not yellow.

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<v Speaker 2>So the reason we see yellow is because of our atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 2>Our atmosphere scatters blue light particularly well, that's the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why the sky looks blue is because it scatters blue

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<v Speaker 2>light and kind of it scatters around and glows. And

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<v Speaker 2>so when you take the sun sort of white light

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<v Speaker 2>and scatter away some of the blue, the shorter wavelengths

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<v Speaker 2>and it moves it from sort of a white color

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<v Speaker 2>into a little bit more yellow orange color. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>why we see the sun as suncolored.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is the sun going night night on the horizon

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<v Speaker 1>so pretty? According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,

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<v Speaker 1>weather scientist and sunset enthusiast Stephen F. Graffiti in a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two article titled Simply the Science of Sunsets,

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<v Speaker 1>so when the sun is low, like a daybreak or

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<v Speaker 1>dusk in the sky, the path of sunlight through the

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere is longer, giving more distance for the blue light

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<v Speaker 1>end of the spectrum to scatter elsewhere. And he writes

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<v Speaker 1>that a beam of sunlight that at a given moment

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<v Speaker 1>helps produce this red sunset over the Appellachians is at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time contributing to a deep blue late afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>sky over the Rockies. But la sunsets are gorgeous because

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<v Speaker 1>our air is full of soot and cancer, right, not

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<v Speaker 1>so big ol'd flim flam Sunsets are actually generally muted

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<v Speaker 1>by these large aerosol particles like pollution, and the typical,

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<v Speaker 1>really beautiful sunsets usually involve clean air with low humidity,

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of moisture in the air, and the

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<v Speaker 1>right kind of high clouds to catch the glow of

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<v Speaker 1>the sunset and then reflect it downward. So patrons love

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<v Speaker 1>to sail, Nan and Charlie Mackenzie. I hope that gives

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<v Speaker 1>your sunsets even more context for you to stare at.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's why we think it's on fire

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<v Speaker 1>because we think, oh, flames are kind of yellow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, But the sun is a whole lot hotter

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<v Speaker 2>than flames, and so that's where it's a little bit misleading.

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<v Speaker 2>But in you just simple terms, you look at a

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<v Speaker 2>flame in a fire and you look at the sun

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<v Speaker 2>and like, yeah, that's about the same color.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, okay, so that's the story on the hue.

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<v Speaker 1>What about heat? Maria Ka, Rachel Fuller, Megan Morgan, Eric Clarson,

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Park and Kelly and Scarlette p. Just so you

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<v Speaker 1>have this blazing number, burning a hole in your pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sun's core is about fifteen million degrees celsius are

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty seven million in fahrenheit. That's the core. The

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<v Speaker 1>middle ish layer, the photosphere is only about ten thousand

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<v Speaker 1>degrees fahrenheit or fifty five hundred degrees celsius. And then

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<v Speaker 1>as you go up through the chromosphere it raises five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred degrees celsius. But then for thousands of miles above

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<v Speaker 1>the surface of the Sun, that golden crown, the Sun's corona,

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<v Speaker 1>starts getting hotter again, up to one million degrees celsius

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<v Speaker 1>or one point eight fahrenheit, so really hot, less hot,

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<v Speaker 1>really hot again. So that's some serious incineration. Can we

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<v Speaker 1>harness all that energy to our advantage other than just

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<v Speaker 1>growing and sustaining every living thing on Earth, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what the Sun is already doing? Lexi Cable, Lynette Villa,

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<v Speaker 1>Simone Francoure, and Figmunt wanted to know This next question

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of a garbage question. Sweet chilly first time

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<v Speaker 1>question asker wants to know, what if we built an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous catapult on Earth and took all of our garbage

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<v Speaker 1>and launched it into the Sun. Once a month. Could

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<v Speaker 1>this save us from ourselves?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a catapult would be hard. You might be able

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<v Speaker 2>to do like a trebuche. I don't know. So I

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<v Speaker 2>understand the vibe of like, oh, we have a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of trash that we've created, let's just get rid of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that it would cause more harm than

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<v Speaker 2>good because that trash has a ton of really useful

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<v Speaker 2>resources in it. I mean, I know it doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>that way, but those heavy metals that are left over

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<v Speaker 2>in your batteries and all those things are actually useful

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of sustaining life on Earth, and so in

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<v Speaker 2>a short term, yeah, it could be helpful. It would

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<v Speaker 2>not be a recipe for keeping humans going on Earth,

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<v Speaker 2>because eventually we'd get rid of all of the heavy

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<v Speaker 2>metals on this planet and we need some of them

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<v Speaker 2>for technologies. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>God, that's a good answer. Okay, that's good to note.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll keep the garbage for now, I mean we.

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<v Speaker 2>Still have to do something with it.

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<v Speaker 1>For more on how much garbage our little species makes

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<v Speaker 1>and where it goes and what we should do with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and how much of your recycling is actually recycled. Please

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<v Speaker 1>get your heartbroken and see our Discard anthropology episode with

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<v Speaker 1>sanitation expert and NYU professor doctor Robin Nagel. It is

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite of garbage. It's a wonderful episode. It's also fascinating. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about making atomic and sub atomic friends. So

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa Huis, Ricky Gervitz, Mike Campbell, Marine Flood, Carlos Baracol,

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<v Speaker 1>Tiger Udi. First time question asker is to buy a

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<v Speaker 1>g Daniel Beck and Donachello. In Donachello's words, asked if

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<v Speaker 1>a person were to be thrown in the sun, would

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<v Speaker 1>their atoms become part of the Sun's nuclear fusion reaction,

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<v Speaker 1>thereby contributing to the light which feeds our planet. But

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<v Speaker 1>on a less visual note, first time question asker Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>Maslek wanted to know where does the Sun get its

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<v Speaker 1>energy from? Yea and what's in the center. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>like a gobstopper, fantastic convention, revolutionize the industry.

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<v Speaker 4>You can suck them and suck them and suck them.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll never get any smaller. Never, they said, don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they do a few more tests.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't I think it's like a god stopper because it's

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<v Speaker 2>really really hot, you know, talking about millions of degrees,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think god stoppers are quite that hot.

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<v Speaker 2>But the core of the sun is where you get fusion.

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<v Speaker 2>You take hydrogen through a few different steps, you can

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<v Speaker 2>fuse into helium. And that process of taking hydrogens and

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<v Speaker 2>forcing them together, and that's why you need to have

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<v Speaker 2>extreme heat for fusion, is that how do you force

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<v Speaker 2>these hydrogens together. Well, you get them going really fast

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<v Speaker 2>when it's really hot, and then they eventually will slam

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<v Speaker 2>into each other and you can get fusion. That process

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<v Speaker 2>of fusion, it releases a tremendous amount of energy, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's so much energy that it would actually blow itself

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<v Speaker 2>apart if you just had the core of the Sun.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you just had the solar core by itself,

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<v Speaker 2>there's enough energy being produced that it would blow itself apart. However,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a whole lot more sun there than just the core.

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<v Speaker 2>There's many other layers stacked on top. And the gravity

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<v Speaker 2>of all of those other layers, all that other hydrogen

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<v Speaker 2>helium pushing down on the core. It in balance between

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<v Speaker 2>the energy being produced and pushing out from the interior

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<v Speaker 2>of the Sun and the gravity pushing it into the

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<v Speaker 2>Sun to create this nice little stationary ball. And so

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<v Speaker 2>that's why the Sun is the size it is, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a balance between the gravity pulling all the material

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<v Speaker 2>in and the energy being produced at the core pushing

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<v Speaker 2>everything out.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked India about this as well. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>think of it like it's solid in the middle, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have a feeling that it's not.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, all of the chemicals that we know comes from stars,

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<v Speaker 4>you know that, right, Like when stars explode, all of

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<v Speaker 4>the you know, hydrogen, helium, iron, all of that comes

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<v Speaker 4>from an exploding star. Because what happens is nuclear fusion

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<v Speaker 4>takes place. You know, our sun is mostly a hydrogen

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<v Speaker 4>and helium and the speeds are so fast they crash

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<v Speaker 4>into each other and it causes those heavier elements. So

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<v Speaker 4>there is a core of the sun. Do we know, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>if you can stand on that shit? Probably not. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know if it's actually solid, But what I do

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<v Speaker 4>know is that there are heavier elements inside that we

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<v Speaker 4>can actually like physically touch on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we need a whole episode on nuclear power,

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<v Speaker 1>but quick aside. A few months ago, China announced some

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<v Speaker 1>major success with a nuclear fusion reactor that acts as

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<v Speaker 1>an artificial sun and it smashes atoms together to form

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<v Speaker 1>heavier ones, which releases heat like the sun that can

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<v Speaker 1>be used as a power source. And currently nuclear power

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01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:37.600
<v Speaker 1>plants use fission they're splitting atoms, but leaving this risk

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<v Speaker 1>for radioactive waste that can harm us in the planet. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>by contrast, fusion based power appears to be much safer, cleaner,

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<v Speaker 1>and using hydrogen from seawater as fuel could power humanity

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<v Speaker 1>for millions of years if we all don't die first.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to be sad about it anyway, exciting stuff. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>in a few days, I'm going to be in Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>where a lot of things are corganchuan except for the

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<v Speaker 1>sun in the sky this time of year, thankfully, But

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to size, what about our beloved sun?

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<v Speaker 1>Not that it matters, but patrons Matt Soccato, Kara Young,

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<v Speaker 1>Gig Knows, Wendy Miller, Scarlett p m A. B Ewen Monroe,

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<v Speaker 1>Megan Morgan, Dave Cannon, and first time question asker Wendy

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<v Speaker 1>Parson wanted to know how ours stacks up and how

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<v Speaker 1>big is our sun compared to other sons? Do we

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<v Speaker 1>have a tiny soun? Do we have a big sun?

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty small cool. Yeah, we have. It's called a

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<v Speaker 2>dwarf star, and the reason it's a dwarf is just

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<v Speaker 2>where it is on the evolutionary spectrum evolutionary line as

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<v Speaker 2>stars go. But it's not that big. Really, stars get

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot bigger than the Sun. That's a good

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<v Speaker 2>thing that it's not that big either, because if we

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<v Speaker 2>were around a more energetic star, it'd be a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot harder to sustain life, because the Sun is nicely,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit active, but not crazy. It's not gonna,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, irradiate the entire Earth every couple of years

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<v Speaker 2>and kill a living things, which would be terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, as it stands, our Son is about thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand times the mass of Earth and it makes

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<v Speaker 1>up ninety nine point eighty six of the mass of

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<v Speaker 1>our solar system. Well, what if it were even bigger?

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<v Speaker 1>What if we did supersize it? Patron's okayist, mom's husband,

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<v Speaker 1>Emily Stuffer, Pafka thirty four, Melissa Cool, last name, Ward

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<v Speaker 1>GG knows, and first time question asker Colleen Chick. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to know about the Goldilocks Zone, a very lovely

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<v Speaker 1>habitable range we happened to live in. If we had

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger sun, would we need to be further out

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<v Speaker 1>to be in a Goldilock zone.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, to be in that ideal zone. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>the unstableness of those magnetic fields, so that if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a bigger star, you're going to have more energy

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<v Speaker 2>produced in the star, which means that all of the events,

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<v Speaker 2>all of those things that happen on our son can

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<v Speaker 2>be more energetic. Also, if you get small enough, you

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<v Speaker 2>get these crazy convection currents where the materials pulled out

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<v Speaker 2>from deeper into the star and pulled out to the service,

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<v Speaker 2>which means you can get you know, really crazy magnetic fields,

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<v Speaker 2>and they observe these and satellites of these crazy huge

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<v Speaker 2>flares coming off of a star, and crazy huge, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean like as much energy coming off of a flare

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<v Speaker 2>as a star is producing at that time, So like

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<v Speaker 2>the star will get twice as bright in the sky

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a thing, and like that's not really sustainable,

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<v Speaker 2>however far you are from it.

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel Cash wants to know when the Sun and the

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<v Speaker 1>moon cross paths. It's a kiss, isn't it. I bet

1450
01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:30.319
<v Speaker 1>it is, they say.

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01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:32.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean it could be a kiss, It could be

1452
01:18:32.319 --> 01:18:34.640
<v Speaker 2>a dance too. I think it's more like a Yeah,

1453
01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:37.880
<v Speaker 2>it's more of a dance, more like a passing, a

1454
01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:40.920
<v Speaker 2>passing touch. They don't really kiss as much as like

1455
01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:44.479
<v Speaker 2>they just walk by each other slowly sort of maybe

1456
01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:46.319
<v Speaker 2>give each other the eye and then going. I don't

1457
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:48.960
<v Speaker 2>know if that's flirty or because they don't like each other.

1458
01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:52.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure about that. But yeah, it's less kissing

1459
01:18:52.439 --> 01:18:54.920
<v Speaker 2>and more just like, you know, passing each other, like

1460
01:18:55.079 --> 01:18:56.079
<v Speaker 2>ship's passing in the night.

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01:18:56.119 --> 01:18:59.439
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we can't ship them quite yet. The last questions

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01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:02.079
<v Speaker 1>I always ask are usually what's your favorite and your

1463
01:19:02.199 --> 01:19:04.640
<v Speaker 1>least favorite thing about what you do? But because there's

1464
01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:07.039
<v Speaker 1>so much opportunity here, I'm going to ask you some

1465
01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:09.319
<v Speaker 1>people want to know Ken not for some question Asker

1466
01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:12.319
<v Speaker 1>and Meghan Morgan wanted to know what are the current

1467
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:17.800
<v Speaker 1>mysteries about the Sun that heliologists and heliophysicists don't understand? Like,

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01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:21.079
<v Speaker 1>is there a mystery that vexes you that we don't

1469
01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:22.800
<v Speaker 1>We just don't know yet.

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01:19:23.399 --> 01:19:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well there are several. The one that is most

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01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:30.279
<v Speaker 2>frequently answered or held up then all that say what

1472
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:33.439
<v Speaker 2>my favorite one is most frequently one is talking about

1473
01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the solar corona. What you'll be able to see during

1474
01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:39.119
<v Speaker 2>a total solar clip. So the solar corona is millions

1475
01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:42.479
<v Speaker 2>of degrees. The surface of the Sun is, you know,

1476
01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:46.119
<v Speaker 2>a few thousand degrees, five six thousand degrees. Why, how

1477
01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:49.680
<v Speaker 2>that's weird. It's like you're sitting at a campfire and

1478
01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:52.319
<v Speaker 2>you're walking backwards in the air is getting hotter? Like,

1479
01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:57.079
<v Speaker 2>that's not how it's normally supposed to work. So there's

1480
01:19:57.079 --> 01:19:59.159
<v Speaker 2>plenty of energy coming out from the Sun to heat

1481
01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:01.880
<v Speaker 2>the corona. That's not the problem. The issue is how

1482
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:04.520
<v Speaker 2>do you get the energy from the surface of the

1483
01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Sun into the corona in such a way that you

1484
01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:08.279
<v Speaker 2>heat it up to millions of degrees.

1485
01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:13.000
<v Speaker 1>So, yes, the outskirts of the Sun hotter than the surface. Bonkers.

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01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Michael loves this fact, as do I. And I found

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01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:19.800
<v Speaker 1>this recent twenty twenty three study titled Polarization of decaleless

1488
01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:24.439
<v Speaker 1>kink Oscillations of Solar coronal loops published in the journal Nature,

1489
01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:28.520
<v Speaker 1>and it opens with this declaration that quote decayalless kink

1490
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:32.079
<v Speaker 1>oscillations of plasma loops in the solar corona may contain

1491
01:20:32.119 --> 01:20:35.359
<v Speaker 1>an answer to the enigmatic problem of solar instellar coronal heating.

1492
01:20:36.319 --> 01:20:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Huh so. A space dot Com article was titled Scientists

1493
01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:43.880
<v Speaker 1>may finally know why the Sun's outer atmosphere is so

1494
01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:47.159
<v Speaker 1>freakishly hot, and it tried to explain it to non

1495
01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:51.600
<v Speaker 1>heliologists like us, saying that the waves are relatively weak,

1496
01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:55.600
<v Speaker 1>but they don't decay in strength over multiple cycles, and

1497
01:20:56.119 --> 01:20:59.560
<v Speaker 1>they may potentially supply a large amount of energy into

1498
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:03.439
<v Speaker 1>the corona over time. So by not decaying, the heat

1499
01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:05.560
<v Speaker 1>and the energy could be building up instead of cooling

1500
01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:08.680
<v Speaker 1>down as expected. Folks are working on it, but now

1501
01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:12.920
<v Speaker 1>every time the sun hits your face on a warm

1502
01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:16.560
<v Speaker 1>summer afternoon, just think about those hot, hot polarization of

1503
01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:18.039
<v Speaker 1>decayless kin ostellations.

1504
01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:22.439
<v Speaker 2>Heliologists are that's an outstanding problem. We have ideas, there

1505
01:21:22.439 --> 01:21:25.239
<v Speaker 2>are no conclusive answers yet, so it's a weird. One.

1506
01:21:25.479 --> 01:21:29.520
<v Speaker 2>My favorite is solar cycles. So the Sun goes through

1507
01:21:29.640 --> 01:21:32.319
<v Speaker 2>eleven year cycles from quiet where there aren't very many

1508
01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:34.920
<v Speaker 2>flares or sunspots, to very active where there are lots

1509
01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:36.800
<v Speaker 2>of flares and sunspots, which is kind of where we

1510
01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:40.840
<v Speaker 2>are now about every eleven twelve years. We don't know

1511
01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:44.600
<v Speaker 2>why exactly. I mean, we have some thoughts, but we

1512
01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:47.600
<v Speaker 2>really don't know why, Why is it eleven years? Why

1513
01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:50.479
<v Speaker 2>does it go through a cycle, what's causing that to

1514
01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:53.560
<v Speaker 2>begin with? Is it that way forever or just right now?

1515
01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:57.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, all those questions are still really outstanding on

1516
01:21:57.439 --> 01:21:59.520
<v Speaker 2>what is actually going on with the solar cycle. But

1517
01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:03.479
<v Speaker 2>it's been served by astronomers for oh, three d and

1518
01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:07.279
<v Speaker 2>fifty years now, so it's not like it's going away

1519
01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:08.520
<v Speaker 2>eleven years.

1520
01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:12.319
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what's going on with that. I'm sure astrologers

1521
01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:16.239
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of thoughts about it. India mentioned solar

1522
01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:19.560
<v Speaker 1>cycles ups and downs. To me, the sun has moods

1523
01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:21.199
<v Speaker 1>India explain.

1524
01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:24.279
<v Speaker 4>We do have solar minimum and solar maximum, so we're

1525
01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:27.640
<v Speaker 4>actually going into a maximum right now.

1526
01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:29.279
<v Speaker 1>I believe what does that.

1527
01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:34.960
<v Speaker 4>Mean where we have the most solar events? So it's

1528
01:22:35.159 --> 01:22:38.960
<v Speaker 4>no compared to the minimum. Yeah, we don't need that.

1529
01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:44.039
<v Speaker 4>It happens we ever eleven years. Roughly every eleven years

1530
01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:45.039
<v Speaker 4>is the solar cycle.

1531
01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:48.560
<v Speaker 1>So it's an election year. It's like four years of

1532
01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:52.279
<v Speaker 1>a pandemic, Like, isn't that enough? We need an eleven

1533
01:22:52.359 --> 01:22:53.359
<v Speaker 1>year solar cycle?

1534
01:22:53.600 --> 01:22:56.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you know it is a bipartisan effort, So

1535
01:22:56.760 --> 01:23:00.199
<v Speaker 4>I will say that space weather is a bipartisan effort,

1536
01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:05.079
<v Speaker 4>but we are going into a maximum right now, and

1537
01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:10.680
<v Speaker 4>we use time series analysis for you know, that's well,

1538
01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:14.319
<v Speaker 4>the solo cycles were figured out before we even involve computers.

1539
01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:17.279
<v Speaker 1>So let's turn the spotlight to what brightens the days

1540
01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:21.000
<v Speaker 1>of these two heliologists. What's your favorite thing about your

1541
01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:23.720
<v Speaker 1>job or about being a scientist or being a heliologist.

1542
01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:26.039
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything that you just like love that gets

1543
01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:26.600
<v Speaker 1>you're excited.

1544
01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:34.000
<v Speaker 4>I genuinely love all of it. I love everything about

1545
01:23:34.079 --> 01:23:41.800
<v Speaker 4>being a scientist. I love being able to discover things

1546
01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:46.760
<v Speaker 4>like Survival analysis is a statistical method that has its

1547
01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:50.119
<v Speaker 4>origin in medicine, and it's been used in finance and

1548
01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:54.039
<v Speaker 4>even been used in gambling and betting. So it's basically

1549
01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:57.720
<v Speaker 4>predicting time to an event. So it started as time

1550
01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:00.479
<v Speaker 4>to death, so you would have a collection of cancer

1551
01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:03.000
<v Speaker 4>patients and then you will analyze their time to death.

1552
01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:07.640
<v Speaker 4>And this technique has never been used in space weather

1553
01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:11.840
<v Speaker 4>to detect the time to detection of soli energetic particles.

1554
01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:18.279
<v Speaker 4>So what I found is that survival analysis gives us

1555
01:24:18.319 --> 01:24:23.199
<v Speaker 4>the same outcome as any other method that we've used,

1556
01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:28.399
<v Speaker 4>which means that it could be viable. That's what's exciting

1557
01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:33.159
<v Speaker 4>about science. It's like, Okay, it's you know, not technically

1558
01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:37.600
<v Speaker 4>something new that I discovered, but this new technique can

1559
01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:44.119
<v Speaker 4>be used in this field. Ah. And that is what's

1560
01:24:44.159 --> 01:24:47.239
<v Speaker 4>so much fun about being a scientists and then collaborating

1561
01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:50.720
<v Speaker 4>with other scientists, and then of course let's talk about

1562
01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:56.840
<v Speaker 4>the obvious working with people at NASA, you know, actually

1563
01:24:57.399 --> 01:25:00.199
<v Speaker 4>going onto a NASA base, actually getting a NAW that's

1564
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:03.399
<v Speaker 4>the ID, and then being able to be a part

1565
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:06.680
<v Speaker 4>of programs that people dream about.

1566
01:25:07.399 --> 01:25:09.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, you follow your dream.

1567
01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:13.720
<v Speaker 1>As for Michael's favorite factoid, patrons Daniel White, James Nance,

1568
01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Tiger Dy and Doug Stewart all asked what is your

1569
01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:19.960
<v Speaker 1>favorite fact about the Sun? What is something that you

1570
01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>just wish everyone knew?

1571
01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:27.680
<v Speaker 2>So I think my favorite, like little g whiz about

1572
01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:31.520
<v Speaker 2>the Sun is the the energy produce of the core.

1573
01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:34.880
<v Speaker 2>We talked about that earlier. Okay, So energy is produced

1574
01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:37.640
<v Speaker 2>in fusion and then it starts moving outward from the

1575
01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:42.800
<v Speaker 2>core of the Sun. It takes maybe ten thousand years

1576
01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:46.119
<v Speaker 2>ash to get from the core of the Sun to

1577
01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:49.119
<v Speaker 2>the surface of the Sun. And then it takes eight

1578
01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:51.680
<v Speaker 2>minutes from the sun serves the Sun to our eyes. Wow,

1579
01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:56.479
<v Speaker 2>So that little photon you know, is born in the fusion,

1580
01:25:56.880 --> 01:26:00.279
<v Speaker 2>and then it keeps on getting scattered and reabsorbed move

1581
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:02.840
<v Speaker 2>to other places because the Sun is dense and it's hot,

1582
01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:05.319
<v Speaker 2>and it's a very chaotic environment, but there's lots of

1583
01:26:05.319 --> 01:26:07.680
<v Speaker 2>mixing and there's there's lots of activity going on. So

1584
01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:11.520
<v Speaker 2>it takes this random warmth is bouncing around for you know,

1585
01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:14.000
<v Speaker 2>years and years and years, all the way until it

1586
01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:15.880
<v Speaker 2>gets the surface of the Sun. And then once it

1587
01:26:15.920 --> 01:26:18.840
<v Speaker 2>reached that photosphere layer, that the layer that we see

1588
01:26:19.079 --> 01:26:22.279
<v Speaker 2>when you're using your safety eclipse glasses. I'll get there

1589
01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:24.640
<v Speaker 2>your solar safely, little reviewing gas. The layer, that layer

1590
01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:27.439
<v Speaker 2>that you see, the photon goes pretty much on a

1591
01:26:27.439 --> 01:26:30.880
<v Speaker 2>direct path from there to your eye. And so when

1592
01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:34.680
<v Speaker 2>you see the Sun, that photon was formed thousands of

1593
01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:38.079
<v Speaker 2>years ago and then in a matter of minutes lands

1594
01:26:38.079 --> 01:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>in your eye and then you interpret it as the Sun.

1595
01:26:40.039 --> 01:26:43.279
<v Speaker 2>And that little like that little factoid is just it's

1596
01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:46.560
<v Speaker 2>amazing because the sun is just bright in the sky

1597
01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:49.760
<v Speaker 2>and thinking about how all that light got to where

1598
01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:52.720
<v Speaker 2>you are just always always amazes me. And that's a

1599
01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:53.239
<v Speaker 2>fun one.

1600
01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:56.239
<v Speaker 1>I love that it has been waiting in the wings

1601
01:26:56.279 --> 01:26:58.199
<v Speaker 1>sort of like and that it's just like it's yeah,

1602
01:26:58.479 --> 01:26:59.199
<v Speaker 1>like there's it's.

1603
01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1604
01:27:01.399 --> 01:27:05.199
<v Speaker 1>And any last advice to people who are planning to

1605
01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:08.760
<v Speaker 1>see the eclipse. I definitely got my eclipse glasses early,

1606
01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:11.239
<v Speaker 1>which is shocking that I did anything early, but I

1607
01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>made sure to get them from a vetted source. I

1608
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:16.479
<v Speaker 1>know that there's some fakes out there that can sizzle

1609
01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>your retinas apparently. Also, lest you think that these warnings

1610
01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:21.960
<v Speaker 1>are like that, don't cross your eyes for sec because

1611
01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:25.239
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna stick like that, or a watermelon seed can

1612
01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:28.600
<v Speaker 1>grow vines in your colon, this one has merit and

1613
01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:33.119
<v Speaker 1>it also has a name solar retinopathy or eclipse retinopathy,

1614
01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and it is a light induced injury to your central

1615
01:27:36.680 --> 01:27:40.479
<v Speaker 1>retina or macular tissue which can lead to a permanent

1616
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:43.880
<v Speaker 1>loss of your central vision. And for more on parts

1617
01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:46.079
<v Speaker 1>of the eye, you can see the Ophthalmology episode with

1618
01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:49.880
<v Speaker 1>friend and I expert doctor Reed Weynus. It's a good one.

1619
01:27:50.199 --> 01:27:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Now you need solar viewing glasses at a rating it's

1620
01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:57.520
<v Speaker 1>called ISO one two three one two dash two to

1621
01:27:57.560 --> 01:28:00.479
<v Speaker 1>be exact, to be safe. And yeah, there are fakes

1622
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:04.640
<v Speaker 1>out there horrible, so check places like the American Astronomical

1623
01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:08.079
<v Speaker 1>Society for Trustable Brands and Links. If you have time,

1624
01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>hang on if you've got good ones in case another

1625
01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:14.079
<v Speaker 1>eclipse rolls by your sky in a few years, or

1626
01:28:14.119 --> 01:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>if a friend needs them on their travels, because you

1627
01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:21.680
<v Speaker 1>want an eclipse to be life changing in a good way,

1628
01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>not in a way that results in a lot of

1629
01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:26.760
<v Speaker 1>ophthalmology appointments, even if your doctor is cool. Like read

1630
01:28:27.239 --> 01:28:28.199
<v Speaker 1>any other advice.

1631
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:31.079
<v Speaker 2>If you do have the chance to use some eclipse glasses,

1632
01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:34.600
<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't be able to see anything through them except

1633
01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:38.000
<v Speaker 2>extremely bright lights, like if you have a halogen bulb

1634
01:28:38.119 --> 01:28:40.800
<v Speaker 2>or a flash on a camera. You can see that

1635
01:28:41.239 --> 01:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>in the eclipse glasses, but nothing else like there should

1636
01:28:43.680 --> 01:28:46.039
<v Speaker 2>be should not be able to see any other lights.

1637
01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:49.039
<v Speaker 1>So during a partial eclipse or even during the stages

1638
01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>of two or three, you can hold up a calender

1639
01:28:53.119 --> 01:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>and you can see the dozens of little crescent shaped

1640
01:28:55.880 --> 01:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>shadows that the sun casts. And during this recent partial

1641
01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>eclipse in La last October, Jared and I were walking

1642
01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Grammy and all the dappling of sun through the tree

1643
01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:10.479
<v Speaker 1>leaves looked hook shaped, so cool. You can also look

1644
01:29:10.520 --> 01:29:15.479
<v Speaker 1>for crafts using pinhole cameras, even a disco ball will

1645
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:18.399
<v Speaker 1>throw scattered light in the shape of the eclipse. Sun

1646
01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:22.800
<v Speaker 1>also sunscreen and water. Can you do that if you

1647
01:29:22.800 --> 01:29:25.680
<v Speaker 1>get heat stroke? There's too much traffic for an ambulance.

1648
01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Now what about psychological preparations?

1649
01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:31.239
<v Speaker 2>And then, sort of on a personal note, I would say,

1650
01:29:31.319 --> 01:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>because there's a high chance of clouds. It's springtime in

1651
01:29:34.760 --> 01:29:38.159
<v Speaker 2>the northern hemisphere and there is a chance that it's

1652
01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:40.359
<v Speaker 2>going to be cloudy, make the eclipse a more of

1653
01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:43.239
<v Speaker 2>an event. Get to where if you're going early, bring

1654
01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:45.520
<v Speaker 2>a picnic. I don't know, bring family and friends, go

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01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:49.560
<v Speaker 2>to a party and do some fun activities. If it's

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01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:52.039
<v Speaker 2>clouded out, but it's still going to get dark outside,

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01:29:52.039 --> 01:29:54.159
<v Speaker 2>you can still observe the world around you and how

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01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:57.039
<v Speaker 2>that changes as the sun is obscured by the moon

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01:29:57.239 --> 01:29:58.479
<v Speaker 2>and it gets dark around you.

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<v Speaker 5>So I I hope that everybody sees a beautifully clear

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01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:06.439
<v Speaker 5>day that day, But you know, just to make sure

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01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:09.399
<v Speaker 5>that you don't pin all of your hopes and wishes

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01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:13.000
<v Speaker 5>and dreams on those few fleeting moments of cloudless skies.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good, that's very very good advice. Smart.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's always Spain in twenty twenty six, and

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<v Speaker 2>I hear that's really nice.

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01:30:20.319 --> 01:30:22.760
<v Speaker 1>There must be little pods of people that travel together,

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01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>like see in a couple of years, which is darling.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, it's sort of like I don't know the

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01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Grateful Dead. There's just following the.

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01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Umber files assemble, aspiring umber files. Start looking for hotels

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01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:39.600
<v Speaker 1>for like twenty thirty eight, figure out a rental car. Now,

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01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:42.159
<v Speaker 1>let me tell you. I'm sure you're ticking down to

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01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:44.720
<v Speaker 1>the days when you travel, so you gotta start packing

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01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:45.560
<v Speaker 1>up your glasses.

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01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I have my binoculars, the solar viewing binoculars.

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01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:51.439
<v Speaker 2>I have my glasses. I you know, have all my

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01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:53.520
<v Speaker 2>NASA stickers to give away on the flight. You know,

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01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:57.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm really getting excited for this. Also, NASA will be

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01:30:57.479 --> 01:30:59.720
<v Speaker 2>doing a live broadcast. To check out NASA dot Gov

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01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:02.680
<v Speaker 2>or go to the nasta's YouTube page and you can

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01:31:02.720 --> 01:31:06.119
<v Speaker 2>see a live broadcast of the eclipse. Will have telescopes

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01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:08.399
<v Speaker 2>across the path, so if it's cloudy where you are,

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01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you can still virtually visit most Law Mexico or Torreon,

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01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Mexico where it's likely to be clear. I will pop

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01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:18.079
<v Speaker 2>on and say hi, and then Dallas during the recording,

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01:31:18.199 --> 01:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>so you can come here about the Dallas eclipse. And

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01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>one of the anchor desks is in Curvill so you

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01:31:23.880 --> 01:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>should go and check out the NASA events on the

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01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:26.640
<v Speaker 2>river Walk and Curvele.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have to get myself a free sticker, lam I'm

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01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:32.600
<v Speaker 1>here there here, they're giving them out nice. I'm so

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01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>thankful that you're able to spare some time and talk

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01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>to me about this. I'm so excited about going. I'm

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01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>so glad I'm going.

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01:31:40.640 --> 01:31:43.319
<v Speaker 2>I am really excited to get the word out to

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01:31:43.479 --> 01:31:46.199
<v Speaker 2>all of your listeners. I know that it has been

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01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:48.840
<v Speaker 2>a buzz in my community for years, and so I'm

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01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:51.560
<v Speaker 2>always a little obstruck when i hear somebody like oh

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01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:53.239
<v Speaker 2>this is there and clips coming up like oh yes,

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01:31:53.439 --> 01:31:56.520
<v Speaker 2>It's like where have you been? But really it's a

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01:31:56.640 --> 01:31:59.840
<v Speaker 2>chance to celebrate that the sun, celebrate the Sun Earth connection.

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01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:05.159
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just really excited for everyone here to take

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01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:09.159
<v Speaker 2>a moment on Monday, April eighth and just experience as

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01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Sun Earth connection for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>So ask bright people, damn questions because the explanations are stellar. Lama,

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01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:21.039
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much to almost doctor India Jackson, doctor

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01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Michael Kirk, and all the folks at NASA. Goddard who

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01:32:23.239 --> 01:32:26.760
<v Speaker 1>made this possible, including Abby Sarah. For more on our

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01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:31.279
<v Speaker 1>two heliologists and heliophysicists and their info and social media.

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01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:33.399
<v Speaker 1>Those are all linked in the show notes. There's also

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01:32:33.439 --> 01:32:37.000
<v Speaker 1>a link to NASA's Total Solar Eclipse live broadcast for

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01:32:37.159 --> 01:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>April eighth, and I'll be in Texas and I'll be

1715
01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:43.800
<v Speaker 1>back with a field trip episode of the whole situation?

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01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Am I going to be hitchhiking in the tumbleweed outer

1717
01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:51.159
<v Speaker 1>reaches of central Texas? We'll see now. For kid friendly

1718
01:32:51.159 --> 01:32:55.399
<v Speaker 1>episodes of ologies, check out smologies that's SMO, l ogi

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01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:57.800
<v Speaker 1>e s. Those are all linked at aliwar dot com

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01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:01.159
<v Speaker 1>slash smologies. They're in the show notes. They're g rated

1721
01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:05.039
<v Speaker 1>shorter versions of ologies the classrooms safe. Also look for

1722
01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>an exciting announcement about a change we're making on May sixteenth.

1723
01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:13.119
<v Speaker 1>We're at ologies on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at Ali

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01:33:13.159 --> 01:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Ward on both. Ali has one l joined the Patreon

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01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:18.640
<v Speaker 1>at patreon dot com, slash ologies or get your ologies

1726
01:33:18.640 --> 01:33:21.840
<v Speaker 1>summer merch at ologiesmerch dot com. Linked in the show notes.

1727
01:33:22.119 --> 01:33:25.479
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Talbert Adminsiologies podcast Facebook group. Aveline Malick makes our

1728
01:33:25.479 --> 01:33:28.239
<v Speaker 1>professional transcripts Kelly ar Dwyer makes the website, and while

1729
01:33:28.319 --> 01:33:31.399
<v Speaker 1>Dilworth is our scheduling and travel producer, Susan Hale is

1730
01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:33.720
<v Speaker 1>the managing director and also did extra research and a

1731
01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:36.479
<v Speaker 1>ton of fact checking. Jake Chafee is our assistant editor.

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01:33:36.520 --> 01:33:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Jake, I'm sorry I said Chaffy last week.

1733
01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:42.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm mad at myself. Welcome to the FAM. Lead editor,

1734
01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:44.760
<v Speaker 1>who also assisted with research is the warm and bright

1735
01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Mercedes Maitland of Maitland. Audio. Nick Thorburn made the theme

1736
01:33:47.640 --> 01:33:49.239
<v Speaker 1>music And if you stick around until the end of

1737
01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the episode, I divulge a secret from my soul this week.

1738
01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:57.520
<v Speaker 1>It's that I have one hundred percent been a dufist

1739
01:33:57.600 --> 01:34:00.840
<v Speaker 1>in the past and looked directly at the sun during

1740
01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:04.800
<v Speaker 1>a partial eclipse by stacking like six pairs of sunglasses

1741
01:34:04.840 --> 01:34:07.479
<v Speaker 1>on top of each other. And now I know that's

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01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>not a good idea and I won't do that again. Also,

1743
01:34:10.560 --> 01:34:14.119
<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid, there was this incredibly way

1744
01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:17.399
<v Speaker 1>spookier than it needed to be Disney movie called The

1745
01:34:17.439 --> 01:34:22.079
<v Speaker 1>Watcher in the Woods and Aaron Talbert, your Ologies podcast

1746
01:34:22.239 --> 01:34:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Facebook group admin, who I have known since we were

1747
01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:28.199
<v Speaker 1>for we watched it together on several occasions, and Betty

1748
01:34:28.319 --> 01:34:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Davis plays a very creepy woman who lives in a

1749
01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>weird old house. And I guess. Also Kyle Richards is

1750
01:34:35.039 --> 01:34:37.319
<v Speaker 1>it Kyle Richards or Kyler Richard anyway is a real

1751
01:34:37.359 --> 01:34:39.880
<v Speaker 1>housewife of Beverly Hills, but was a main character as

1752
01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:45.079
<v Speaker 1>a child actor. Also spooky and an eclipse features heavily

1753
01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:48.119
<v Speaker 1>in the plot of Watcher in the Woods. And Okay,

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01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:50.000
<v Speaker 1>first off, they don't make scary movies for kids like

1755
01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:53.600
<v Speaker 1>they used to, because this one straight up scarred my soul.

1756
01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:56.760
<v Speaker 1>But it also made me eerily fascinated with eclipses. So

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01:34:56.840 --> 01:34:59.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm one hundred percent rewatching it before I had to

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01:34:59.840 --> 01:35:01.760
<v Speaker 1>tell excess to see how it holds up. I watched

1759
01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:06.960
<v Speaker 1>the trailer like five minutes ago. Goosebumps, scared, actually scared.

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01:35:07.119 --> 01:35:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Watch Her in the Woods? Gonna rewatch it?

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01:35:09.039 --> 01:35:09.840
<v Speaker 4>Ernie you with me?

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01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:13.399
<v Speaker 1>I hope, so, Okay, be safe, don't stare at the sun.

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01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:16.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm asking you that, I'm asking me that, Okay, Field

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<v Speaker 1>trip incoming, Bye bye, Pacadermatology, homeology, cry doo zoology, lithology, technology, meteorology, pathology, tethnology, seriology, elatology.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>Solar eclips
