Speaker 1: And nine Ignition six five four three two one zero
Speaker 1: All engine running.
Speaker 2: It's Tuesday. You know what that means.
Speaker 3: It's time for Ignition with the a W FANTA podcast team.
Speaker 3: I'm here with MK and Jest tonight. This is Kelson
Speaker 3: and Well. We just saw Double or Nothing. Arguably one
Speaker 3: of the best. Some people say it is the best
Speaker 3: cage match. Ratings say it is the best aw pay
Speaker 3: per view of all time. We'll talk about that, but first, guys,
Speaker 3: I want to talk about something that I really don't
Speaker 3: want this to get out of hand, but I'm just
Speaker 3: a little bit mystified about well wwui's booking of events.
Speaker 2: They booked three events for all in weekend.
Speaker 3: You know, when you take into consideration at ad W
Speaker 3: has already booked numerous events for that same weekend.
Speaker 2: What do you guys think about this?
Speaker 4: I brought this up last week in poopery. This is
Speaker 4: the most pardon my friend, but this is the most
Speaker 4: bush league shit I've ever heard of. Competition is one
Speaker 4: thing It's gonna happen in any business, but this is
Speaker 4: getting ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Do you really see this as competition though, or do
Speaker 3: you just see this as I've heard it described as petty.
Speaker 5: Petty's a good word for it.
Speaker 3: My word for it. It's inexplicable to me. I just
Speaker 3: don't get I don't get it. Especially I have some
Speaker 3: information for you, and I think it's going to blow
Speaker 3: your minds.
Speaker 2: But go ahead, Jess.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, like I just said, like
Speaker 4: you expect this sort of thing in any business competition,
Speaker 4: but AEW is not supposed to be competitions. According to
Speaker 4: criple H, I.
Speaker 6: Feel like they're trying to oversaturate the market where people
Speaker 6: get tired and don't want to watch all the products.
Speaker 5: Live and then won't be.
Speaker 7: Able to.
Speaker 6: So it just it feels like to me, it's petty,
Speaker 6: to be honest with you, doesn't know what they're doing.
Speaker 6: It really hurts, in my opinion, the evolve of hey
Speaker 6: of you they're wanting to do because I know it's
Speaker 6: not on the day of all inm but people are
Speaker 6: gonna be so tired out they're not gonna want to
Speaker 6: watch it live. And it really hurts that women's division
Speaker 6: because they want to pump it up as such a
Speaker 6: great division, but then to tackle onto something else already
Speaker 6: when they could have just had to stand alone and
Speaker 6: be its own thing. It makes me feel like they
Speaker 6: don't trust that division enough and say, look at here
Speaker 6: will It doesn't delivered, so why why do it anymore?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've seen several people make that comment
Speaker 3: that it's really not fair to the women's division, and
Speaker 3: it really isn't, you know. And well, look, I want
Speaker 3: to share you some interesting you know, these are facts,
Speaker 3: these are facts, Okay, I want to share you some
Speaker 3: interesting facts for that week. Then when I talk about
Speaker 3: that week, I'm talking about the entire week of wrestling,
Speaker 3: the leading from Monday Night Raw on July seventh, all
Speaker 3: the way through to UH to Saturday Night's main event
Speaker 3: and and UH.
Speaker 2: Evolution.
Speaker 3: So on Monday night, July seventh, w W RAW is
Speaker 3: going to be from Providence, Rhode Island. Now, the next night,
Speaker 3: July eighth, is the end x T show. I've read
Speaker 3: that they are doing an NXT show, but I can't
Speaker 3: find any information about it, so I'm just going to
Speaker 3: leave that as being to be determined.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Of course, on Wednesday night, AW Dynamite from Garland, Texas,
Speaker 3: and because all In is on Saturday to twelfth, the
Speaker 3: next night, July tenth, AW Collision from Garland, Texas.
Speaker 2: Now also starting.
Speaker 3: July eleventh and July twelfth, there's no times on it,
Speaker 3: but I assume it's during the morning. Is aw's star cast, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: But then also on July eleventh is Ring of Honor
Speaker 3: Supercard of Honor from the Esports Stadium in Arlington, Texas.
Speaker 2: Are we tired yet?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 2: But wait, there's more.
Speaker 3: Now this doesn't have anything to do with wrestling, but
Speaker 3: it kind of ties in because on July eleventh, Beyonce
Speaker 3: plays her first of three concerts at the Mercedes Benz
Speaker 3: Stadium in Atlanta. Okay, that is on a Friday, which,
Speaker 3: of course WWE SmackDown was coming from Nashville, Tennessee on
Speaker 3: that Friday as well, So keep in mind you have
Speaker 3: the Ring of Honor, Supercart of Honor and ww.
Speaker 2: SmackDown on the same day. Now wait, there's more.
Speaker 3: Of course, on July twelfth, I've already said that there
Speaker 3: is going to be AW Starcast, which was running on
Speaker 3: the eleventh of twelfth. I think that that'll probably be
Speaker 3: in the morning. But of course July twelfth is all
Speaker 3: in Texas, which starts pretty much but I think it
Speaker 3: starts real early. Put it that way. But also WWE
Speaker 3: announced NXT's Great American Bash at the State Farm Arena
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, Georgia. Now, if you've never been to Atlanta,
Speaker 3: the State Farm Arena is pretty close to the Mercedes
Speaker 3: Benz Stadium. I already mentioned that Beyonce is not is
Speaker 3: performing on the eleventh, but she is not performing on
Speaker 3: the twelfth, but also on the twelfth Saturday Night made
Speaker 3: event wwee later in the evening, also from the State
Speaker 3: Farm Arena, because the Great American Bash for MENXT is
Speaker 3: basically being run at the same time as All in Texas,
Speaker 3: but also on July twelfth in Atlanta, is the Futures
Speaker 3: Game in the Major League Baseball Major League Baseball All
Speaker 3: Star Week festivities, they're also I don't I haven't written
Speaker 3: down here. I thought I did. Oh yeah, okay, I do.
Speaker 3: So July twelfth, you've got All in Texas, You've got
Speaker 3: Saturday Night main event in Atlanta. Then you've got Great
Speaker 3: American Bash in Atlanta. You've got the All Star Futures
Speaker 3: Game and Celebrity Softball Game. Now, the All Star Futures
Speaker 3: Game and Celebrity Softball Game are really not that close
Speaker 3: to Atlanta. They're in Cobb County. I mean, you're still
Speaker 3: talking within ten miles of each other, but they're not
Speaker 3: like right next door to each other.
Speaker 7: Bye.
Speaker 3: Wait, but wait, there's more, so I said July twelfth,
Speaker 3: July thirteen, eighth in Atlanta, you have understand something to
Speaker 3: July twelfth. That's that's the end of the Well, No,
Speaker 3: it isn't, because July twelfth, I'm sorry. July thirteenth, in Atlanta,
Speaker 3: Beyonce plazer second concert at the Mercedes Benz Stadium, which
Speaker 3: at the same time very close by, arguably within walking
Speaker 3: distance for most people, is.
Speaker 2: WWE's Evolution two at the State Farm Arena.
Speaker 3: If you could go look at Mercedes Benz at State
Speaker 3: Farm Arena, they're not that far away from each other. Also,
Speaker 3: on July thirteenth, Major League Baseball is doing their four
Speaker 3: point four miler, which is kind of like a celebrity
Speaker 3: run in the heart of Atlanta. Basically, it starts where
Speaker 3: where the old Atlanta Braves Stadium is and loops around
Speaker 3: and come and ends right back at the old Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Braves Stadium and then a course.
Speaker 3: On July fourteenth, and this has nothing to do with
Speaker 3: with wrestling, Beyonce has her third and final concert at
Speaker 3: the Mercedes Benz Stadium. The reason I'm bringing up Major
Speaker 3: League Baseball and the the Beyonce concerts is that these
Speaker 3: were all booked well in advance of WWE booking their things. Okay,
Speaker 3: major League Baseball's All Star Week is a big week.
Speaker 2: Beyonce is a big deal, especially in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Right where are people going for these ww shows going
Speaker 3: to stay?
Speaker 2: Are they going to sneep in the streets?
Speaker 3: Because I can guarantee you that people have booked, the
Speaker 3: traffic's going to be a nightmare.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was going to say, trying to get any
Speaker 4: place is going to be just like the Circle.
Speaker 2: Of l Well Marta Well.
Speaker 3: I mean, people could probably book hotel rooms and you
Speaker 3: know the perimeter, you know, down by the airport or
Speaker 3: north up in Cobb County, maybe even Gudec County, and
Speaker 3: take more to the rapid transit in Atlanta down down
Speaker 3: to the city. You know, get off of five points,
Speaker 3: you're right there. At least that's the way it used
Speaker 3: to be when I lived there. But it's still not optimal.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 3: The other thing that I wanted to bring up is
Speaker 3: you've got all these shows now again, a w has
Speaker 3: had these shows booked for a while now. Even though
Speaker 3: they they moved the Supercard of Honor to this venue,
Speaker 3: they still did that quite a while ago. So you know,
Speaker 3: I'm tired of talking, but you understand. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: exhausted just talking about it. You gotta watch it, and
Speaker 3: I don't think people are gonna walk. This is oversaturation
Speaker 3: of wrestling, I don't think and as you said, MKA,
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's it's right. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's going to be wrestling my opinion, it's not smart booking.
Speaker 3: You know, you could argue that a w made a mistake,
Speaker 3: and I and I kind of agree with it. Why
Speaker 3: would you put Super Card of Honor on Friday and
Speaker 3: then follow it up less than twenty four hours later
Speaker 3: with All In Texas.
Speaker 7: Well, you know I'll be going down there.
Speaker 5: For all that event and stuff. It's five hours away
Speaker 5: from my house.
Speaker 6: But I'm really only doing I'm just doing star Cast
Speaker 6: and I'm going to do.
Speaker 5: All In.
Speaker 6: I'm not paying all that bunch of money just to
Speaker 6: go to dish it different events. I don't want to
Speaker 6: do that. It's a big event for me and my
Speaker 6: wife to go down to first the first time we've
Speaker 6: been away from the kids since we were married, so
Speaker 6: we're going to enjoy our time down there. But just
Speaker 6: crazy off the thing that's going.
Speaker 5: To go on down there.
Speaker 6: I don't I think booking the Ring of Honor thing
Speaker 6: was mistake. They should have done that differently. It's just
Speaker 6: a whole lot of saturation of advance. I don't think
Speaker 6: Tony's a clear for booking this crazy and stuff either.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, look, it's not fair to
Speaker 3: Ring of Honor and the performers at Ring of Honor either.
Speaker 3: I mean, Rig of Honor pay per views are, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, every bit is good as AW pay per views,
Speaker 3: and everybody knows you know that AW pay per views
Speaker 3: are really really top notch.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a shame.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna be watching Supercard of Honor, going
Speaker 3: to bed, waking up and watching All In Texas.
Speaker 2: I mean to be exhausted.
Speaker 4: Yes, I can play Devil's advocate here for a second.
Speaker 4: I can see what Tony was trying to do. He
Speaker 4: was trying like, if All In is going to be
Speaker 4: like their mania, like what you usually have the night
Speaker 4: before the day before mania, you have the big NXT show,
Speaker 4: so he was trying to sort of do something like that.
Speaker 2: I think sure, But you know, to Tony Kahan's detriment here.
Speaker 3: He's got to know that WWWE is going to oversaturate
Speaker 3: the market, and that's exactly what w they announced three
Speaker 3: shows for in two days. I mean, it's just it's preposterous.
Speaker 3: I mean, I do not understand. And let me put
Speaker 3: it this way. And I've seen this comment made many
Speaker 3: times and I don't want to misquote anybody, so I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna say it the way my interpretation of what
Speaker 3: has been said.
Speaker 2: Okay, think of it this way.
Speaker 3: People that are watching aw all In because that is
Speaker 3: the big pay per view, I think that a pro
Speaker 3: wrestling fan, if they had to choose between aw all
Speaker 3: In and Great American Bash, They're going to choose all In.
Speaker 3: And the reason why is because they know that they
Speaker 3: can go and watch Great American Bash, you know, after
Speaker 3: all In, whether it's right after All In or the
Speaker 3: next day on Peacock, and they can fast forward through
Speaker 3: the commercials, you know, and because of the wrestling fatigue.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people with
Speaker 3: Great American Bash Evolution two and Saturday Night's Made Event.
Speaker 3: Don't watch these events live. I think you're gonna see
Speaker 3: a lot of pro wrestling fans kind of try to
Speaker 3: pace themselves, and they know that they can watch these
Speaker 3: events on Peacock. They're going to watch it at their
Speaker 3: own pace. And guess what They're going to fast forward
Speaker 3: through the advertisements. That's going to piss off the advertisers.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just thinking from a business standpoint, it
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: This whole thing just does not make sense.
Speaker 4: Well, to be fair, if you're fast forwarding through the
Speaker 4: ads on a WWE show, you're fast forwarding through the
Speaker 4: whole show pretty much.
Speaker 2: I mean look, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 7: Hearing you got some wrestling sprinkled in with your ads.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, look, I don't really want to go there.
Speaker 3: Okay, as far as that, because WWE has been around
Speaker 3: for a long time, they're obviously successful. Their formula works
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, it works. But if you watch ae
Speaker 3: W and then watch WWE, there is a stark difference.
Speaker 3: I'll give you an example. We're going to talk about
Speaker 3: Double or Nothing coming up. Doubler or Nothing was a
Speaker 3: four and a half hour show. Okay, Yeah, and that's
Speaker 3: what two hundred and seventy minutes. Out of those two
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy minutes, one hundred and ninety six minutes
Speaker 3: bell to Bell was actual wrestling. Seventy three percent of
Speaker 3: the show of Double or Nothing was actual wrestling, And you're, okay,
Speaker 3: what you think about this? That's Bell to Bell. You know,
Speaker 3: we're not talking the other parts. Weren't all video packages
Speaker 3: and whatnot. They were like the entrances and whatnot. You know,
Speaker 3: so those are fun. So you're still getting entertained because
Speaker 3: you come out there with with these entrances and they take,
Speaker 3: you know, a few minutes to get done. I would
Speaker 3: if you take the entrances and the wrestling, the actual wrestling,
Speaker 3: you're damn you're looking.
Speaker 2: Probably around eighty percent was pure wrestling entertainment. You know.
Speaker 7: So look are they counting like the pre show as well?
Speaker 3: No, No, this is just this is I did the
Speaker 3: count myself Double or Nothing. The main show was four
Speaker 3: and a half hours long, and there was one hundred
Speaker 3: and ninety.
Speaker 2: Six minutes of Bell to Bell wrestling Bell Bell.
Speaker 6: I read where no match for the for Double and
Speaker 6: Nothing was under ten minutes?
Speaker 3: No, No, there there were a couple of matches I
Speaker 3: the if I'm not mistaken, I'm going by member here.
Speaker 3: I believe the Mercedes Monday and JB Hater match was
Speaker 3: twelve minutes in something, and the Hurt Syndicate match against
Speaker 3: the Sons of Texas was twelve minutes in something. I
Speaker 3: mean every other match was I think the other the
Speaker 3: two closest to that, I want to say there was
Speaker 3: one minute match was sixteen minutes, and there were two
Speaker 3: matches that were nineteen minutes.
Speaker 2: I may be off there, but that there were a couple.
Speaker 3: Of matches that were like thirty minutes, you know, and
Speaker 3: you know which ones those were, you know, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: The point the point being here is, yeah, one hundred
Speaker 3: and ninety six minutes of bell to bell wrestling. I
Speaker 3: sincerely doubt if you take if you take Saturday Nights
Speaker 3: Made Event, Great American Bash and Evolution two and add
Speaker 3: up the actual wrestling in that those three events, I
Speaker 3: have a hard time believing that they're gonna have more
Speaker 3: wrestling than all in Texas. I mean, they may have
Speaker 3: a little bit more, but it's not going to be like, Wow,
Speaker 3: look how much more they did.
Speaker 2: Because two nights of WrestleMania two.
Speaker 3: Two nights of WrestleMania barely beat one night of Dynasty
Speaker 3: in actual bell to bell match time. And you're talking
Speaker 3: about twice twice as long, more than twice as long
Speaker 3: of shows, you know what I mean. So I mean
Speaker 3: it's it's and again this adds to the fatigue. I
Speaker 3: just I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 3: I'm not trolling WWE here because it's stupid to do so,
Speaker 3: because they're obviously very successful. All right, but I'm gonna
Speaker 3: watch the w W show. I'm gonna take you know,
Speaker 3: DVR and fast forward through the through the bunk.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, chess.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was just going to say one thing that has
Speaker 4: been on my mind, and it gets just it makes
Speaker 4: matter the more I think about it. I have been
Speaker 4: wanting a follow up to Evolution for years, I bet
Speaker 4: like tons of people have. But the way that it
Speaker 4: has been booked, with this petty dickery going on, if
Speaker 4: you are making me choose between a W and you
Speaker 4: can you lose. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's mind boggley to me, It really is. I
Speaker 3: don't get it. Oh look, I'm gonna get off my soapbox.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you guys a chance to talk because
Speaker 3: I just rambled like crazy for what.
Speaker 2: Ten fifteen minutes. Yeah, so let's let's talk about Double
Speaker 2: or Nothing.
Speaker 3: I don't want to get into like what were your
Speaker 3: favorite matches and what were you disappointed in? Let's just uh,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to Jess first because Jess has been.
Speaker 2: Dying to talk about Double or Nothing?
Speaker 3: Here, Oh Jess, Jess, what were your overall thoughts on
Speaker 3: Double or Nothing?
Speaker 2: And what matches you know, just or segments or what.
Speaker 3: Were your what were your favorite things and if and
Speaker 3: of course if there was anything you were disappointed in
Speaker 3: let us know that too.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna be letting my nothing was really I mean,
Speaker 4: I guess if I had to say like alt, like
Speaker 4: if something I was disappointed by, It's like I was
Speaker 4: hoping like this there would be some sort of big
Speaker 4: surprise return like Mariah Darby, Our Dear Sweet Lord and
Speaker 4: Save You Ready Kingston.
Speaker 2: Where we got book?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I did send yeah, all sixteen seconds of.
Speaker 4: Them overall though, Like I have not read Meltzer's review
Speaker 4: of this show yet, but just from my opinion, in
Speaker 4: all that show and like what you said, like seventy
Speaker 4: to eighty percent wrestling. I would not rate a single
Speaker 4: match under three stars, even like the matches that were
Speaker 4: there to be filler would have made a fine main
Speaker 4: event on any TV or my more or lesser pay
Speaker 4: per view.
Speaker 3: Yes, I want to ask you about that, because you
Speaker 3: just brought up something. There were people that were legitimately
Speaker 3: upset at the filler matches at at all In and
Speaker 3: the filler matches that they basically pointed to. There was
Speaker 3: literally three to people considered thrill filler matches. Ocata Mike
Speaker 3: Bailey was one of them. The other one was well
Speaker 3: Brisco at Ricochet was a lot of people considered that
Speaker 3: a filler match. And the last one was was it
Speaker 3: all the Trio's match, the Paragon versus whoever the hell
Speaker 3: they wrestled.
Speaker 2: I can't even remember.
Speaker 3: The doc towas amily, you know, but look, if you
Speaker 3: went from I'm interested in hearing your opinion on this.
Speaker 3: But in my mind, you had to put the paragrind
Speaker 3: at the don Kallis family, after Anarchy and the Arena
Speaker 3: and before Osprey and hey Manhanna Page. You have to
Speaker 3: give people chanced to come down, go to the bathroom,
Speaker 3: you know, get their you know, get their breath back. Yeah,
Speaker 3: these I didn't have a problem with. Yeah, look, was
Speaker 3: I as entertained by the paragrin and you know the
Speaker 3: don Cols family and Ricochet and Brisco and Ocada Bailey.
Speaker 2: No, I was not.
Speaker 3: I didn't think that they were like the oh wow matches,
Speaker 3: but they served the purpose.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I exactly. I mean, like you're not gonna put
Speaker 4: freaking the main event right after Anarchy in the arena.
Speaker 4: Just thinking about it just completely like wears me out,
Speaker 4: just imagining that scenario. You need to like breathe, you
Speaker 4: need to pee sometime. You can't just get it.
Speaker 2: But go ahead, go ahead, Okay, no, go go there.
Speaker 6: There's a reason why bookers know how to do the
Speaker 6: ebbs and flows. And sometimes I arg you a lot
Speaker 6: with why is this white here? But you have to
Speaker 6: have a rest break. And I've heard nothing but good
Speaker 6: things about an Archie and arena. I scroll through my
Speaker 6: Instagram feed, it's all over the place. It reminds me
Speaker 6: the moment when like the buddies of the floor pops on,
Speaker 6: the whole arena was rocking, And that reminds me of
Speaker 6: what wrestling should be. It should be fun, it should
Speaker 6: be entertaining, yes, it's hochy sometimes and cheeseball, but it's
Speaker 6: fun and that's what they need. And that show was
Speaker 6: great and the timing was great because you.
Speaker 5: Got to have that plateau a little bit.
Speaker 6: Yes, I felt bad for Paragone and the don Kallis family,
Speaker 6: but they put on a decent match.
Speaker 2: But they did, There's no question they did. They put
Speaker 2: on a good match.
Speaker 5: But it wasn't story of the night.
Speaker 6: Story of the night was Owen's and the Owen matches
Speaker 6: and Ken Arena, which from what I've heard, just blew
Speaker 6: everything out of the water.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I disappoint The other thing that sort of
Speaker 4: disappointed me is I would have had Jamie Hater go over.
Speaker 4: But I can't really complain too much because Mercedes mone
Speaker 4: versus Tony Storm is gonna kill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you kind of look at it realistically.
Speaker 3: Look at Tony Storm versus Jamie Hayter and Tony Storm
Speaker 3: versus Mercedes Monette.
Speaker 2: Which one is gonna sell the best?
Speaker 3: It sells more tickets, it's a smart.
Speaker 2: Name, it's a smart choice. There was no way.
Speaker 3: I love Jamie Hayter, but there was no way in
Speaker 3: my mind, there was no way that Jamie Hater should have.
Speaker 2: Won that match.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but we'll be I'm not a big fan of
Speaker 6: this result myself, because what do we want Mercedes Money
Speaker 6: to win?
Speaker 5: I mean, how do you book that? To suffivee?
Speaker 3: Well, no, this is a commesurate to uh, you know,
Speaker 3: hul Cogd and Andre to Giant, you know, with significantly
Speaker 3: you know, smaller people.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it's you know, it's one of those
Speaker 2: things where I.
Speaker 8: Tony Storm, Tony Storm Is and Mercedes Monet are, especially
Speaker 8: Mercedes Monet are kind of seen as the faces of
Speaker 8: the women's division.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's other great.
Speaker 3: Women, but look, I mean, you've got these two women
Speaker 3: that are literally, in my opinion, the faces of aw's
Speaker 3: women division, and now you've got them going against.
Speaker 2: Each other at at All in Texas. It hit. It
Speaker 2: just hits harder than it's a talking point.
Speaker 3: Look, I'll say it right now, if Jamie Hayter had
Speaker 3: won that match, we wouldn't be talking about the All
Speaker 3: in Texas match with Tony Storm right now.
Speaker 4: What they could have done is I'm cribbing a little
Speaker 4: from my husband, who's pretty good at like fantasy booking.
Speaker 4: You could have had Hater versus Storm and then you
Speaker 4: could have run back Athena versus Monette for the TBS title.
Speaker 4: That would have been great.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 6: No, I agree, that was I thought that's where everything
Speaker 6: was going there for a while. But I don't understand
Speaker 6: why they pulled out a thing.
Speaker 5: For our right trist for her to lose and go back.
Speaker 6: I thought they were going to do something with that,
Speaker 6: but uh, that didn't happen.
Speaker 5: So I agree, though, Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I I think that what you're good to see
Speaker 3: with Athena Athina is going to be at All in
Speaker 3: Texas and she's going to win and her opponent's going
Speaker 3: to be THECKLA, And that makes perfect sense. I mean,
Speaker 3: they were partners earlier this year in stardom. They faced
Speaker 3: each other earlier this year in stardom, and after Athena
Speaker 3: defeated Decla, Athena did challenge Decla to a fight, but
Speaker 3: this time in the United States. So look, it makes
Speaker 3: perfect sense. Look think about it. Logically, if you had
Speaker 3: Athena against Mercedes Monet, for example, for the TBS Championship
Speaker 3: at All in the winner comes out looking good, the
Speaker 3: loser comes out looking really bad. I'm sorry they do,
Speaker 3: because if Mercedes Monette had lost Athena, what's the point
Speaker 3: because she lost to somebody who's not even technically you know,
Speaker 3: used on the AW.
Speaker 2: Roster very often, and she's not.
Speaker 3: But if Mercedes loses to Tony Storm, it doesn't hurt
Speaker 3: It doesn't hurt Mercedes at all. And Mercedes beats Tony Storm,
Speaker 3: it doesn't really hurt Tony Storm at all. It just means, oh,
Speaker 3: here's the next story for the next sixteen sixteen months,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: So so there you go.
Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense to have Athena against Docklea, and hey,
Speaker 3: if Dekla wins, that puts her in a position to
Speaker 3: be a big name in Ring of Honor and frees
Speaker 3: up that frees up Athena to come to a w
Speaker 3: and wreak some havoc.
Speaker 2: It's just the way I look at it.
Speaker 3: I'm sure once, once the things become clear, we will
Speaker 3: know for sure what's going to be happening, you know,
Speaker 3: at all in Texas with you know, different matches.
Speaker 2: But I'll go back to Jess.
Speaker 3: What did you think of the Osprey versus Page match?
Speaker 3: Did the right person win there? And what did you.
Speaker 2: Think of the match?
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, I mentioned this like in the chat like uh,
Speaker 4: and I mentioned this last two week. I adore both
Speaker 4: of those men and I would have been happy with
Speaker 4: either outcome, but having to pick one, I thought it
Speaker 4: should have been Hangar because he had the better story.
Speaker 4: So I am thoroughly satisfied with how everything turned out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what the rest of you
Speaker 3: guys think, but the way that they built up this, uh,
Speaker 3: this match was, oh, will Osbury is gonna win?
Speaker 2: How is that? How?
Speaker 3: How is Hangman, Hangman and and Paige gonna lose? But
Speaker 3: that's not what happened. I mean, it was a pretty
Speaker 3: I thought it was a pretty big swerve.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was respect to Osbar to win, and I
Speaker 6: still stand by my point that I think he should
Speaker 6: have been. But uh, from what Fightfulle said, they were
Speaker 6: both trying to love before each other, which is great and.
Speaker 7: And so.
Speaker 6: But I thought Osprey would have been great, great to
Speaker 6: be a future.
Speaker 5: I have no problem with Hangman.
Speaker 6: I love Hangman and he deserves the second Tyler Raine,
Speaker 6: which is hopefully booked better than the last one.
Speaker 5: But I thought it should have been Ospray last night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know what the uh you touched on
Speaker 3: what Feifel reported, And apparently Tony Khan did not tell
Speaker 3: either Osprey or Hangman Addam Paige who is going to
Speaker 3: win this match until very late.
Speaker 2: And the report is is that Hangman Adam Paige lobbied.
Speaker 3: With Tony Khan to say that Osprey should win, and
Speaker 3: Ospray lobbied with Tony Khan to say that Hangman should win.
Speaker 3: That's so great, It's that's that's the It's sweet baby.
Speaker 2: Look that's the kind of stuff you want your locker room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's healthy.
Speaker 2: That's the kind of stuff you want your locker room.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't need the uh part of the French,
Speaker 3: but the CM punk bullshit stuff going on, you know.
Speaker 3: And look that you know hangm At and Page winning
Speaker 3: and now going to All in Texas. Yeah, some people
Speaker 3: can say that's a big fu too to see him punk.
Speaker 2: You know. So look, I'm all for it.
Speaker 3: You know, you want people to talk, and this is
Speaker 3: getting people to talk, and I'm interested to see what
Speaker 3: happens like on this week's Dynamite the Fallout show, you
Speaker 3: know that's coming up really soon. Less as we're recording this,
Speaker 3: we're you know, less than twenty four hours from from
Speaker 3: the fall up.
Speaker 2: I'm interested to see what the heck happens it really is.
Speaker 3: But you know, one of the things that just brought
Speaker 3: up was there was a lot of opportunities for debuts
Speaker 3: and returns here.
Speaker 2: And really nothing happened.
Speaker 3: I mean, we had, you know what, we had hooked
Speaker 3: there for sixteen seconds basically as I said earlier, and
Speaker 3: gave kid and that was it.
Speaker 2: You know, but when you look at it, aw didn't
Speaker 2: need it.
Speaker 3: They put on arguably the best pay per view of
Speaker 3: their existence and they didn't need any you know, Brian
Speaker 3: Danielson and had them Cole showing up on the same
Speaker 3: night to make it talk worthy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. Surprises are fun, but they're not always necessary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to talk about anarchy in the arena.
Speaker 3: When the bodies hit the floor gave me probably the
Speaker 3: thing that tickled me to death the most in the
Speaker 3: entire show, and that was when I believe it was
Speaker 3: Claudio Cassioli giving the big spin to Swear Strickland and
Speaker 3: threw him into this little speaker and as soon as
Speaker 3: swerve and as soon as Swear, I don't know if
Speaker 3: he caught it, but I was dying laughing. As soon
Speaker 3: as Swerve hit that speaker and shattered it into a
Speaker 3: million pieces, the music in the entire arena stop as
Speaker 3: if it was centered on that one little speaker. That
Speaker 3: was brilliant theater. I am sorry, you know, And yeah,
Speaker 3: I thought that was just clever and it was a
Speaker 3: little you know, it's interesting the little things that happened.
Speaker 2: Make a lot of a lot of sense.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: That's what a lot of the entertaining stuff comes from,
Speaker 3: is the little things, not the big wow factors, but
Speaker 3: little stupid shit.
Speaker 5: Like that.
Speaker 4: I mentioned earlier. I think it was in the chat
Speaker 4: or something that basically a good narchy in the arena
Speaker 4: slash stadium stampede match. Good wrestling is a plus but
Speaker 4: basically needs an abundance of two things to be successful,
Speaker 4: and that's violence and comedy. And there was like a
Speaker 4: ton of just the right amount of both in Sunday's match.
Speaker 4: It was just great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there was, but a lot of the
Speaker 3: comedy was three stooges comedy where it was praying. The
Speaker 3: prelude to it was violence, you know. But you know,
Speaker 3: my daughter was at the show. It was her first
Speaker 3: a w Show live show, and she did say that
Speaker 3: her and my son in law were at the show,
Speaker 3: and I talked to them both after after the show,
Speaker 3: and they did say that their seats were terrible. They
Speaker 3: were you know, they basically it probably wouldn't have mattered
Speaker 3: if it was a dynamite or a collision, but when
Speaker 3: you're talking about a four and a half hour show,
Speaker 3: and they had to turn at an angle because they
Speaker 3: were sitting by the stage. They were above the stage,
Speaker 3: but they were sitting by the stage. They were very
Speaker 3: close to where when Prince Dana came out with Swerve
Speaker 3: on the forklift, they passed pretty much right by my
Speaker 3: daughter and son in law, and so they had to
Speaker 3: kind of turn and look at the stage the entire time.
Speaker 3: And of course there was a camera crane in their
Speaker 3: way because she showed me pictures of where her seats
Speaker 3: were before the show. So by the end of the show,
Speaker 3: they were sore. I mean, they were exhausted. But my
Speaker 3: daughter did say that, you know, her section, I guess
Speaker 3: because of that, was fairly quiet. They were not as loud,
Speaker 3: but they said that, you know, the rest of the
Speaker 3: arena was loud as hell. She didn't know whether it
Speaker 3: came through. She did say, here's the interesting thing. She
Speaker 3: said that the music, she thought the music would be
Speaker 3: louder in the arena, but it wasn't. She said, it
Speaker 3: wasn't too soft, it was just right. But she thought
Speaker 3: it would be like pounding, you know, it would be.
Speaker 2: Pounding and really loud, and she said that wasn't the case.
Speaker 3: But she did say that her favorite part of anarchy
Speaker 3: and the anarchy in the arena was when people you know,
Speaker 3: were chanting, please help Willow because Willow. However, how they
Speaker 3: did that, they she got her ear chained.
Speaker 2: To the ring post.
Speaker 3: But one of the things I was concerned about, because
Speaker 3: I believe it was Barry that joined us a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, and he did go to a couple
Speaker 3: of double or nothings, and he did see a couple
Speaker 3: of anarchy and arenas, if I'm not mistaken, And one
Speaker 3: of the things he did say was that it was
Speaker 3: anarchy and arena was very hard to keep up with
Speaker 3: because they really didn't show on the screens what.
Speaker 2: Was going on. I asked my daughter.
Speaker 3: She missed things like, you know, the little things like
Speaker 3: Willow getting chained to her ear, getting chained to the
Speaker 3: to the ring post, and.
Speaker 2: She said no, she saw everything.
Speaker 3: She saw everything live, you know, and she wasn't confused
Speaker 3: at all, which I thought is a testament to a
Speaker 3: really good production work on it. A W's parton I
Speaker 3: gotta say, I thought the sound of this show on
Speaker 3: TV at least was really good. The music was blaring,
Speaker 3: the crowd sounded awesome. You know, I think they finally
Speaker 3: got it.
Speaker 4: Than Josh Matthews.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jush mathis right. Was there anything in not an Adder?
Speaker 3: Well, we can you could bring up at her Kaana read,
Speaker 3: of course, but was there anything in the pay per
Speaker 3: view that's just surprised you?
Speaker 2: I mean you've already talked about, you.
Speaker 3: Know, maybe the Hangman ad him page and will Osprey
Speaker 3: result being surprising, but uh, look, what.
Speaker 2: Were some of your favorite moments at the pay per view?
Speaker 6: I'll say that I'm very impressed with Speedball Mike Bailey.
Speaker 6: I know he's not gonna go far on the card,
Speaker 6: but he's always a good match, he's always entertaining, and
Speaker 6: to put him with Okada, really I thought it was
Speaker 6: a pretty good setup between the two and I knew
Speaker 6: he would win, but man, he knows how to put
Speaker 6: on a match and he knows how to use him feet.
Speaker 5: And he does a good job. So I got to
Speaker 5: give him props where it's due.
Speaker 4: I agree. I was actually just gonna mention that same
Speaker 4: match because, like I was gonna say, it's the first
Speaker 4: time in a long time that Okada felt like Okada.
Speaker 4: If that makes any sense.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 4: Also, I absolutely loved a speedballs ring gear. I am
Speaker 4: a just like seeing that, just like seeing his r
Speaker 4: ring gear put a big stupid smile on my face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what, I'm gonna go back as
Speaker 3: far as something that impressed me, I'd go back to
Speaker 3: zero hour or buy it if you will. I thought
Speaker 3: that the energy of Harley Cameron A against Megan Bain
Speaker 3: and Penelope FOURD was brilliant.
Speaker 2: I love that match.
Speaker 1: That was.
Speaker 3: They over delivered on that match so hard. It was
Speaker 3: that The other buying match too, with the Lucha basically
Speaker 3: was the Luca match that over delivered. Those are really
Speaker 3: really good matches that I could you could. I'm telling
Speaker 3: you they if they were on the main show, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been upset about it.
Speaker 2: Put it that way, because that was just good fun.
Speaker 4: So very fun. When I said like nothing under three stars.
Speaker 4: I was including those matches in my assessment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: I but again, I gotta give it to the women
Speaker 3: because they knocked it out of the park. And again
Speaker 3: they didn't need a run in or they didn't need,
Speaker 3: you know, a debut or return or whatever to make
Speaker 3: it great. And that was a great match. I want
Speaker 3: to see that match again, let me put it that way,
Speaker 3: and that's I just have to say it.
Speaker 2: I thought to buy that buy in match was fantastic though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you guys, Were you guys disappointed at all
Speaker 3: in any of the matches. Let's talk about Tony Storm
Speaker 3: and Mina Shirakawa. Uh, you know, people were saying, maybe
Speaker 3: this is the where Mariah May would come back again.
Speaker 3: I think it was the right call just to have
Speaker 3: Storm and Shirakawa go at it. And after the match,
Speaker 3: you know, they showed their respects to each other by
Speaker 3: sticking their tongues down each other's throats.
Speaker 2: But that's neither here nor there. But I think that's
Speaker 2: that's up story for the future.
Speaker 4: I'm all for tongue kissing replacing a handshake at the
Speaker 4: end of a match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I was kind of disappointed that Okada
Speaker 3: and Bailey didn't do it.
Speaker 7: So, yeah, broke back stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kenny.
Speaker 4: I'm sure Kenny would do it, Oh for sure, Yeah
Speaker 4: he would do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, anything to set Chip Cornette off.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I'm really impressed with what those two.
Speaker 6: I'm really impressed with Mina as well as how long it's,
Speaker 6: how far along she's coming, and how quickly the the
Speaker 6: A audience is taken to her. I think she's going
Speaker 6: to be a future star along with the rest of
Speaker 6: that division. She's gonna be wanting to keep up with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I mean the way drawback would
Speaker 3: be to shirk Kyla is that you know, she's not
Speaker 3: a spring chicken. You know, she's as far as women
Speaker 3: wrestlers go, she's one of the older ones in a w.
Speaker 2: For sure, you know, so really absolutely.
Speaker 3: I mean I think there's Emmy Saker, of course is older,
Speaker 3: but Mina Shikkaw is what is she She's either thirty
Speaker 3: seven or thirty eight, so no, she doesn't look it,
Speaker 3: but you know, and she she didn't start wrestling until
Speaker 3: her thirties, so she didn't she doesn't have. One of
Speaker 3: the things with stardom is that especially during the Rossio
Speaker 3: Goawa era. Look at Starlight Kid and as At Azumi.
Speaker 3: I think Azumie was eleven or twelve, but she started
Speaker 3: would startom, you know, uh, and Starlight Kid was like
Speaker 3: thirteen or fourteen, and they're still there. But you know,
Speaker 3: look a Zumi's twenty two years old. Half of her
Speaker 3: life she's been wrestling now. And you know, if you
Speaker 3: pay attention to stardom, stardom is not like WWE or
Speaker 3: AW because.
Speaker 2: They wrestle well over one hundred matches a year.
Speaker 3: Each of the wrestlers, especially the top wrestlers, will wrestle
Speaker 3: over one hundred matches a year, whereas say a AW wrestler, Espally,
Speaker 3: when I'm talking about the women's of course, I think
Speaker 3: Mariah May had maybe forty matches last year, and she
Speaker 3: was the one that had the most matches in AW
Speaker 3: last year, So I mean there's a big disparity there.
Speaker 3: So the wear and tear, what I'm saying is that
Speaker 3: the wear and tear on the body in UH in
Speaker 3: stardom is going to be a lot more than say
Speaker 3: WWE and and AW, and that, frankly is one of
Speaker 3: the reasons why I believe that A lot of these
Speaker 3: uh startup women like Carrie saying, you know Sky, you know,
Speaker 3: et cetera, Mariah May, Megan Bain, even Tony Storm. They
Speaker 3: come to America, whether it's AW or WWE, because frankly,
Speaker 3: the wrestling scheduled.
Speaker 2: Is just a lot easier.
Speaker 7: M hmm.
Speaker 2: So it is, it is what it is, you know.
Speaker 4: But I had no idea that Mino was the Joshi DDP.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's uh, she's she's not a young woman, you know,
Speaker 3: but you would never know that by looking at her.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's she doesn't move, but I mean, look.
Speaker 3: I remember when I was thirty six, thirty seven, thirty
Speaker 3: eight years old. I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 3: can't even tie my shoes anymore. She's out there doing
Speaker 3: what she does. More power to her, you know. And
Speaker 3: you gotta look look at these you know, John Moxley
Speaker 3: and and Adam Copeland and all. You know, these people
Speaker 3: have gone through it, you know, and they're still out
Speaker 3: there doing it. I have nothing but respect for people
Speaker 3: to get do that. I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 5: Look at I was gonna up like dusting. It's like,
Speaker 5: I know he's up there and it's still wrestle man.
Speaker 1: He's I'm gonna say it, he's better than.
Speaker 4: Because he can actually kind of keep up with.
Speaker 7: These other guys.
Speaker 5: But I definitely definitely stilled down. Obviously good of his age,
Speaker 5: but he can still go up there. But on a
Speaker 5: show man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, I kind of want to talk
Speaker 3: about her sneck and an Sons of Texas now that
Speaker 3: you brought it up, Steve, because look, everybody was expecting
Speaker 3: for something to go on, you know, tom foolery between
Speaker 3: m JF and Bobby Lashley.
Speaker 2: And and Shelton.
Speaker 3: Benjamin almost called them, called him Benjamin Shelton like Hulk Coogan.
Speaker 2: But uh, nothing happened.
Speaker 3: In fact, they actually kind of played into something like
Speaker 3: Bobby Lashley was like wagging his finger at m JFF.
Speaker 3: You can see like the spark of disappointment going at
Speaker 3: they broke out of the big smiles. They're wrist bumping
Speaker 3: and the hogging and congratulating each other. And look, MGF
Speaker 3: came out stronger in the hurt syndicate that he did
Speaker 3: going in, and I don't think a lot of people
Speaker 3: expected it, but I thought it was a great move
Speaker 3: on their part to keep that story going because eventually
Speaker 3: you know, something's gonna happen and they're gonna fall apart,
Speaker 3: but why do it real soon? Let it play out
Speaker 3: for a little while.
Speaker 4: I think it's a brilliant strategy. I mean, if you
Speaker 4: have like an odd duck that you think is causing dissension,
Speaker 4: you're sort of going to underestimate your opponents because you
Speaker 4: think there's a fracture there. So what Bobby and Max
Speaker 4: did was played that up until they you know, they
Speaker 4: basically played their opponents with it. It was pretty brilliant.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I mean, look, I didn't have a problem
Speaker 3: with this. I thought this match was going to be
Speaker 3: one of the weaker matches on the card. That perhaps
Speaker 3: it was, but that was because the match card was
Speaker 3: so strong and the wrestling was even stronger than the
Speaker 3: card presented. But I had no problem with this match.
Speaker 3: And hey, Sammy actually got to speak, because he's been
Speaker 3: like a deaf mute back there for a while, you know,
Speaker 3: for the last few weeks, just.
Speaker 2: Letting Dustin Rhodes do all the talking. Well he probably
Speaker 2: got to speak.
Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, going back to anarchy in the arena,
Speaker 3: did you think about the the bucks, the the way
Speaker 3: they came out at their enteran Steve and the long
Speaker 3: introduction that that Roberts had to do.
Speaker 4: It was pretty much the entire Emancipation Proclamation paraphrase.
Speaker 3: Maybe the Gettysburg Address thrown in there a little bit. Anyway,
Speaker 3: I fully thought I would look. I thought that they
Speaker 3: would like, you know, take off their revolutionary war garb
Speaker 3: and wrestle the match and or no, they wrestled the
Speaker 3: entire match looking like minute men.
Speaker 2: That was just preposterous.
Speaker 4: I seriously thought the drumming fife music is what we
Speaker 4: were going to stick with it. Thought we were gonna
Speaker 4: like be treated to ten straight minutes of drum and
Speaker 4: fife music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love that it did go to I'm
Speaker 3: so excited for because that song is like the most
Speaker 3: I'm sorry that it was the dumbest thing that Tony
Speaker 3: Kohan has ever done. And I think he may have
Speaker 3: done that just to set up double or nothing, just
Speaker 3: to use it.
Speaker 2: And because I can't stand that song.
Speaker 3: I cannot stand it, you know, and it's it's just
Speaker 3: not a wrestling song, and it's justpid and what they
Speaker 3: killed it off like after thirty seconds. I loved it,
Speaker 3: so so that's that, you know, Hey, I never maybe
Speaker 3: enjoyed when the body's at the floor a lot more.
Speaker 2: Put it that way.
Speaker 5: I thought that was a great song, got everybody hype.
Speaker 5: I mean that's.
Speaker 6: I'm not a super fan of that group, but I
Speaker 6: thought it was a little apropos and then but when
Speaker 6: they switched, I'm.
Speaker 7: So excited I died. Uh that was hilarious.
Speaker 5: That's just a little aw humor for it for you.
Speaker 5: But Saturday night to fight at a night for fighting
Speaker 5: is what I was hoping for.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, look, nothing says you know, professional wrestling
Speaker 3: and anarchy better than the Pointer Sisters. I mean, they
Speaker 3: go hand in hand, so one other matches one of
Speaker 3: the Is there anything else that you guys want to
Speaker 3: talk about as far as.
Speaker 2: This pay per view goes?
Speaker 3: Really, the only thing that we did talk about really
Speaker 3: is h Garcia Nigel against FTR, And of course we
Speaker 3: really didn't speak anything about Briscoe and Ricochet.
Speaker 4: You know, these were I will disagree with anyone who
Speaker 4: calls that a stretcher match a filler. That's one thing
Speaker 4: I absolutely adore about Ricochet is that he is a
Speaker 4: pathetic goofy wiener until he's not.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, yeah, I mean I get but I but
Speaker 3: you know, look, I absolutely think that that was a
Speaker 3: filler match.
Speaker 2: There was nothing at stake in that match at all.
Speaker 2: Uh it was. It was a filler match. Again.
Speaker 3: You know, that doesn't mean that it wasn't entertaining, because
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just saying there was. It was. It
Speaker 2: was a filler.
Speaker 4: Match the pin and plus it was a setup. Like
Speaker 4: the setup is uh Mark losing the match being carted
Speaker 4: off in an ambulance, and then the payoff is later
Speaker 4: in an archy. Rien later in a anarchy when he
Speaker 4: comes back covered in blood.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you know, didn't even like wash his face
Speaker 3: or take off his shirt.
Speaker 2: You know, just do you imagine.
Speaker 3: Being because I was, like, what two and a half
Speaker 3: hours later, wearing a bloody shirt that entire time, which
Speaker 3: I'm sure he probably didn't do. But that's what I
Speaker 3: just don't get it. I mean that I would. That's
Speaker 3: just that's just nasty. There's the other way to put it.
Speaker 4: What do you expect?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there you go. But yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: The Nigel I was actually disappointed in in the u
Speaker 3: FTR versus Nigel and Garcia match because Nigel really wasn't
Speaker 3: in the match very very much. It was just basically
Speaker 3: Garcia getting the stop beat out of him, you know.
Speaker 3: And I again, I think it may be one of
Speaker 3: those things where there's this story there. Maybe this is
Speaker 3: where Garcia turns, because let's face it, people were so
Speaker 3: concerned about Nigel, they just left you know, Garcia the
Speaker 3: ring to get the stop beat out of him.
Speaker 6: I didn't understand the point of there has to be
Speaker 6: some point to this, Matt massive, but I just don't
Speaker 6: see it.
Speaker 5: I don't you know.
Speaker 6: We're all big fans of Nigel, but I don't see
Speaker 6: the point in FDR other than turning them heel. So
Speaker 6: we'll Garcia goes. Maybe Daniel Garcia does turn. He needs
Speaker 6: a refresher and I could see him joining FTR, but
Speaker 6: I don't or I don't know, but Garcia needs something
Speaker 6: to step it up.
Speaker 4: So I gotta little agree. And I am saying that
Speaker 4: as somebody who loves Danny. I love Danny, I love
Speaker 4: his chemistry with Daddy Magic. They're great. That yeah, something.
Speaker 6: Point he needs to get away from Danny Magic and
Speaker 6: and be his own person.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 6: I like Danny Magic, but Daniel Garcia has to be
Speaker 6: his own person if he wants to be taken seriously.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I guess you're right. But how would joining
Speaker 4: FTR solve that problem? Because he's then to be jumping
Speaker 4: from Daddy Magic to Stokely Hathaway.
Speaker 5: See, I'm not the creator Hathaway either, so I can't.
Speaker 2: I have a big fan of Stokely though, so I could.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I could not have Soakley and a W and
Speaker 5: I be fine.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to talk a little bit about the
Speaker 3: applications of double or Nothing. Look, we already know that
Speaker 3: hangman Autam Page is going to face John Moxley it
Speaker 3: all in and hopefully win the championship and put an
Speaker 3: end to that bullshit story. That's I feel like I felt.
Speaker 3: I felt like I've been held prisoner of war, you know,
Speaker 3: for months now. Just get it over with. Already have
Speaker 3: the match tomorrow on Dynamite.
Speaker 2: Just get it over with.
Speaker 3: I really, honestly, I really don't want to watch that match.
Speaker 3: But I will say this, I said the same I
Speaker 3: said the same thing about if you remember the last
Speaker 3: time the Entangment Adam Paige and John Moxley faced him
Speaker 3: and faced each other at a pay per view, uh,
Speaker 3: on this podcast, I said, I really don't want to
Speaker 3: watch this match because they had three don'll be the
Speaker 3: third match, and like it seemed like in two weeks.
Speaker 3: Of course it wasn't, but they had a pretty back
Speaker 3: to back to back matches. I was like, I am
Speaker 3: not looking forward to this match, and I ended up
Speaker 3: loving the hell out of that match.
Speaker 2: I just you know, and I hate Crow big time
Speaker 2: on this podcast.
Speaker 7: But we also.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, of.
Speaker 3: Course we also know that Mercedes Monet is going to
Speaker 3: face Tony Storm for the aw Women's Championship at all
Speaker 3: in Uh, did you see any other implications you know,
Speaker 3: put forth here? Uh, as far as other matches and
Speaker 3: other feuds, do you think anything there's better beginning? Look,
Speaker 3: you saw a little bit of discourse between Hook and
Speaker 3: Samoa Joe that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: Uh, and I call me crazy, call me crazy here
Speaker 2: for me this year Kawen did some heelish stuff in
Speaker 2: that match with Tony Storm. Mm hm you know so.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've heard rumors that they're supposed to be a
Speaker 6: casino ladder match for women at all when it has
Speaker 6: not been confirmed, of course, but but but I can
Speaker 6: see that happen for a Number one contendership or or
Speaker 6: life they do where they grab it and they get
Speaker 6: a match when they want to or whatever. That would
Speaker 6: be interesting.
Speaker 4: I love those. I would definitely take a woman's casino match.
Speaker 2: I would like to see a woman's casino match, but
Speaker 2: not at all.
Speaker 3: In that that takes away from from Mercedes and Storm.
Speaker 3: You don't have a number one contender match before the
Speaker 3: number one contender ever gets a chance to vuy for
Speaker 3: the title.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't like that at all and that
Speaker 2: that would be a mistake for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, where does Osprey go from here? Seriously? Where does
Speaker 3: Jamie Hanner go from here? Where does speedball Mike Bailey
Speaker 3: go from here? This is some of the things that
Speaker 3: I think we may get addressed and you know, the
Speaker 3: next couple of weeks or you know, Look, we've got
Speaker 3: Dynamite on Wednesday. I think I think Collision is on
Speaker 3: on Saturday. I think it's However, next week, just so
Speaker 3: we you know, we will be doing All the Talk
Speaker 3: tomorrow night after Dynamite to give our thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: But next week I'm going to already tell you we're
Speaker 3: not doing an episode of All the Talk because next
Speaker 3: week is fighter Fest and Dynamite is four hours long,
Speaker 3: so we're not.
Speaker 2: Staying up until two o'clock.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so I postponing the at for a week, you know, sorry, guys,
Speaker 9: But yeah, I'm not I'm definitely not gonna do that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean so, I really see AW remember starting
Speaker 6: to band together a little bit more, and hopefully I'm
Speaker 6: starting to see some cracks in the Death Riders and
Speaker 6: because something's gonna happen where if he does beat him
Speaker 6: at all in Death Riders are done, they're no longer
Speaker 6: powerful anymore. So I really do think something's gonna build.
Speaker 6: He's gonna get a group of people behind him to
Speaker 6: watch his back so they can be a fair match,
Speaker 6: because that's been the story this whole time, of interference,
Speaker 6: interference left and right, new people coming in.
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be those two together.
Speaker 6: Hopefully not a Texas death match like I said before,
Speaker 6: but I just want to fair fight between the two,
Speaker 6: and I think we're gonna see a team AW coming
Speaker 6: together a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well yep, yeah, he said, like what's uh, where does
Speaker 4: Osprey go from here? He's already made his intentions known.
Speaker 4: His role at least threw All In is to be
Speaker 4: a Hangman's second. As Hangman agreed to do the other
Speaker 4: way around if Osprey won, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, I hate the Harpod the death Writers,
Speaker 3: but they suck. They they are They are not a
Speaker 3: powerful team at all. Everything about them is not everything.
Speaker 3: There have been a couple of moments that I did enjoy,
Speaker 3: but for the most part they are absolutely unwatchable.
Speaker 4: You know, there are no Death Writers fans. I'm dead.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I may be one of the lone death
Speaker 4: Writers apologists.
Speaker 3: And well you should stay off the aw fan hub
Speaker 3: subreddit because many, many, many people have been sick of
Speaker 3: the Death Writer since I don't know, November.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 3: They are passe, they are overdone. They are a male
Speaker 3: version or mostly male version of the Outcast. The Outcast
Speaker 3: didn't work, and they were smart enough to kill that
Speaker 3: kill that shit off, you know, pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but just.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 3: No the outcasts. We pretty much as a unit agreed
Speaker 3: that the Outcast. The only thing the Outcast did was
Speaker 3: make the because there was four of them, and they
Speaker 3: were always together, you know, at least three of them
Speaker 3: were always together at every match that the Outcast had,
Speaker 3: whether it was singles or doubles, and the only thing
Speaker 3: that the Outcast did was made the AW women in
Speaker 3: mass look like absolute idiots because they would come out
Speaker 3: one on three every single week and it just got
Speaker 3: to be preposterous.
Speaker 2: It was groundhog Day. It was the same thing over
Speaker 2: and over again.
Speaker 4: And you can't say nothing came of it. If there's
Speaker 4: no outcast, we don't get Tony Storm in his current form.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well, you know, look, you know, hopefully we'll
Speaker 3: get I don't know, somebody we were you get a haircut, and.
Speaker 2: He'll be a good wrestler again. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, all I'm saying is I honestly and sincerely, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna tell you something. There was a part there was
Speaker 3: a section during Anarchy in the arena. There was a
Speaker 3: section there was a segment of that match. I think
Speaker 3: it was after the actual match was over and the
Speaker 3: Team AW if you were, were walking up the ramp
Speaker 3: and what was sitting there right in the middle of
Speaker 3: the ramp. Do you remember, Right in the middle of
Speaker 3: the ramp when the entire Team AW walked by, Sitting
Speaker 3: right at their feet was the briefcase with the AW
Speaker 3: World Championship belt at it. What did they do? Kenny
Speaker 3: Omega kicked it down the ramp. I never wanted to
Speaker 3: strangle Kenny Omega more than I wanted to at that point.
Speaker 3: You know, the briefcase is a joke. The death Writer
Speaker 3: this is a joke. It doesn't work, It's horrible.
Speaker 6: It'll be a huge sigh of relief when if Hangman
Speaker 6: beats Mosley, which I don't want to say if it
Speaker 6: needs to be win, but there's people who are scaring
Speaker 6: me out there, who are saying a certain other person's
Speaker 6: gonna be it, and it's gonna take a while to
Speaker 6: do it, and if it does, I'm I let's just
Speaker 6: say that if if Page doesn't win, I will probably
Speaker 6: not watch AW till it's until Moxley loses.
Speaker 3: Now, I will say this in all honesty, if Page
Speaker 3: doesn't win at all, in We're probably not gonna be
Speaker 3: I'm probably not gonna be doing this podcast. Yeah, seriously,
Speaker 3: I mean it's just a plain I mean, it's just
Speaker 3: being honest, because I will have lost.
Speaker 2: I am strang.
Speaker 3: The only saving grace for the death Writers, reasonably for me,
Speaker 3: is that they've not been used as much I guess
Speaker 3: as they were in the past.
Speaker 7: You know, uh, because they are not as dominant either.
Speaker 5: They take they take what they give.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I was speaking of things that suck. Have you
Speaker 4: anybody really noticed that the correlation of AEW's uptick in
Speaker 4: quality seem to coincide with Jericho, leaving just something to
Speaker 4: think about.
Speaker 2: Uh, I do not agree with that.
Speaker 3: Actually, I think the uptick in quality has been mostly
Speaker 3: correlated to uh well several things.
Speaker 2: Just getting rid of the.
Speaker 4: I was being a little tongue in cheek there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I hate to say it because I don't like
Speaker 3: to come down on wrestlers that I actually think are good.
Speaker 3: But when once aw look therese there was obviously backstage
Speaker 3: problems with a W and a W is released a
Speaker 3: couple of wrestlers now, uh, few wrestlers recently that.
Speaker 2: You can see a difference. Look, Ricky, Ricky Starks was
Speaker 2: not as.
Speaker 3: Good as he thought he was, you know, and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I loved Panta and I loved Ray Phoenix,
Speaker 3: but they just they just seemed like they were more
Speaker 3: of a problem. And the you know, and I'm speaking
Speaker 3: out of my ass here, but they just seem like
Speaker 3: they're more of a problem in the locker room than anything,
Speaker 3: you know, Miro, more of a problem out Malachi Black,
Speaker 3: who I adored more of a problem again.
Speaker 2: These all the a W.
Speaker 3: Releases that are going to WWE are big deals of
Speaker 3: w W, you know, and that's it'll be interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's just.
Speaker 3: It's interesting to me, But I don't know, it's.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, You're probably right. I just couldn't resist the
Speaker 4: opportunity to take a dig it. I just don't like
Speaker 4: him very much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, you know Jericho did is not
Speaker 3: a mad Jericho is a main eventor who was not
Speaker 3: a main eventor anymore.
Speaker 6: Well, I think he's found his role. I think he
Speaker 6: understands that he's helping you, people like Danny Garcia and
Speaker 6: stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Build him up.
Speaker 6: And I I really don't think that he's ever going
Speaker 6: to go to not be aw once he retires. He's
Speaker 6: gonna stay there and said because he feels appreciated. And
Speaker 6: back to your point, Kelson, I feel like like the
Speaker 6: black cloud has been lifted ever since we got rid
Speaker 6: of those guys and more more positivity has came our way.
Speaker 6: And I've seen, just to chatter through the internet, I've
Speaker 6: seen a lot of people saying, hey, I noticed a
Speaker 6: change of a and I may start watching it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you see a lot a lot of people,
Speaker 3: you know, just getting tired of the of WWE shows.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't understand how.
Speaker 3: Again, obviously they got a gigantic audience. I just don't
Speaker 3: see how you can watch video packages commercials for hours
Speaker 3: a week. It just doesn't make any sense put that
Speaker 3: shit on YouTube. But it's obviously working. So I can't say, well,
Speaker 3: that's just you know, and I wanted to. Don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong, I wanted to work. I'm not a WWE hater.
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is I can't sit there and watch
Speaker 3: a show. I gotta have it on DBR so I
Speaker 3: can fast forward through the you know, frankly to bullshit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they got to change their their their style.
Speaker 6: I think, like I said before, I've been to a live.
Speaker 5: Event and it was Chinese torture.
Speaker 6: To me, there's a huge stark difference of being in
Speaker 6: the middle action and watching product place matter product placement
Speaker 6: and seeing a huge prime bottle there and just.
Speaker 5: It it drags on.
Speaker 6: I love AW just for the fact that it's there,
Speaker 6: You're in the midst of it, and for me, the
Speaker 6: audience is better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't have to leave me I
Speaker 2: do not have a problem with product placement. I don't.
Speaker 3: To me, if you have a problem with pop product placement,
Speaker 3: you know a serious problem with it. You know, it's
Speaker 3: kind of petty, you know, because it doesn't take away
Speaker 3: from the wrestling matches. You know, what takes away from
Speaker 3: the wrestling matches is not having wrestling matches.
Speaker 4: I'll make a different there. I mean, do you really
Speaker 4: take the Viking Raiders seriously when they come out wearing
Speaker 4: cartoony Clash of Klan's cosplay? I don't. I thought that
Speaker 4: was horrible, and I love the Viking Raiders.
Speaker 3: What about will Osprey coming out with an Assassin's Creed's outfits.
Speaker 3: There's no difference, you know, I don't think so. It's
Speaker 3: just it's it's, you.
Speaker 4: Know, difference that Will Ospray loves and appreciates Assassin's Creed.
Speaker 4: It works with his character. He's the aerial assassin, his
Speaker 4: move is the hidden Blade. Things he chose himself because
Speaker 4: he loves Assassin's Creed. I don't think the Viking Raiders
Speaker 4: have ever played plans in their life.
Speaker 2: Well, you have to ask them. Maybe they do, maybe
Speaker 2: they don't. You know, It's just one of those things.
Speaker 3: You know, but I I can't fault somebody for doing that.
Speaker 3: I really can't, you know, I you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: do you really think timeless Tony Storm has ever watched
Speaker 3: Turner classic movies once in her life? Probably not. She
Speaker 3: doesn't sound like it, but that's her character. Just being
Speaker 3: honest here, you know, I've I don't think you can
Speaker 3: take characters seriously, you know, that's all I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know Mercedes Monet when she comes out with her gears,
Speaker 3: a lot of times her gears.
Speaker 2: Paying homage to something, and I like that. Uh you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah it was it was neat.
Speaker 3: I liked it, but it was like one of those things. Okay,
Speaker 3: did swear where that because it looked cool? Or did
Speaker 3: he like that because you know he's a.
Speaker 2: Lifelong Predator fan? You know? Well, you know, look, I.
Speaker 3: The only thing you can nippick, you know, personally, what
Speaker 3: I can nick pit nitpick is the death writers suck,
Speaker 3: and they've they've always sucked.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: They're literally the most uninteresting thing that I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: In a w or none.
Speaker 3: I mean, the only thing, the only thing in a
Speaker 3: that AW has done that has been.
Speaker 7: More.
Speaker 3: There's two things that I could think of that have
Speaker 3: been more annoying to me than or not more annoying,
Speaker 3: but as annoying to me.
Speaker 2: As the Death Writers.
Speaker 3: One was j car Gill's TBS Championship rain because it
Speaker 3: was pointless, it was meaningless, it was repetitive.
Speaker 2: And Orange Cassidy's first reign.
Speaker 3: As the International Champion. I mean it was the same
Speaker 3: match over and over and over again, and it kind
Speaker 3: of made it was bad because if you listen, go
Speaker 3: back and listen to these podcasts, we were like, we
Speaker 3: were big fans of Orange Cassidy, and half of us
Speaker 3: were like, we don't want to see this anymore.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my mind probably be the Devil storyline. I got
Speaker 6: so tired of that after a while and it petered
Speaker 6: out anyway, So that would probably have to be second
Speaker 6: place for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the collective. I don't think anything in aw has
Speaker 4: ever been worse than the Nightmare Collective. And I speak
Speaker 4: this is somebody who at the time had a huge
Speaker 4: girl crush.
Speaker 5: On a.
Speaker 4: On a Missus Rhodes.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 4: I thought she was a gorgeous woman, but she is
Speaker 4: a gorgeous womanous woman, Brandy, I love you, but this
Speaker 4: is just awful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, you know, the way I look
Speaker 3: at it is I think one of the strengths of
Speaker 3: AW right now is that the wrestling product is filled
Speaker 3: with wrestlers that can wrestle, and if they are maybe
Speaker 3: a little bit behind, uh, they are showing tremendous potential.
Speaker 3: And there are and it's diverse. I mean, there's it's
Speaker 3: not other than the death writers, which, to be frank
Speaker 3: with you, they have changed it to where it's not
Speaker 3: the same thing weekend and week out. It's been a
Speaker 3: lot better in the lastcar. It still sucks, but at
Speaker 3: least it's not just like, is this a repeat? Haven't
Speaker 3: I seen this episode before? You know, at least they're
Speaker 3: doing something new just as awful, but it's at least
Speaker 3: it's new. But there are just you know, that's that's
Speaker 3: the point I think with AW is that the promos
Speaker 3: are better, the production.
Speaker 2: Is better, the wrestling is better, and it hasn't.
Speaker 3: Been dragged down by people that are, you know, a
Speaker 3: detriment to the locker room. Again, they've released a lot
Speaker 3: of these wrestlers and things have improved, you know, And
Speaker 3: I don't know, and hopefully we continue along this line
Speaker 3: and don't bring in wrestlers that just can't wrestle, you know,
Speaker 3: And if they can't wrestle, just put them on the
Speaker 3: mic and let them be a character. You know, you
Speaker 3: don't have to wrestle to be, you know, a star
Speaker 3: in wrestling. You know, it's as simple as that. You know,
Speaker 3: played in the strengths right now. The strengths of AW
Speaker 3: is their wrestlers. Ay, w's got some damn good wrestling.
Speaker 4: Hell, yes it does.
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to Dynamite tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I really am interested in, you know, implications that arise
Speaker 3: from double or nothing, and how they're going to build
Speaker 3: stories toward All In. One thing I will say, and
Speaker 3: I know something's not here tonight, but All In is
Speaker 3: on July twelfth. I believe that's seven weeks away. We
Speaker 3: cannot go until July eighth before we get half the matches.
Speaker 2: We're all in.
Speaker 3: They've got to get these matches set in the next
Speaker 3: at max, the next three weeks, at max, the next
Speaker 3: three weeks. We've got to have a majority of the
Speaker 3: matches set for all In. Because you just can't pussy
Speaker 3: put around with this anymore. You gotta get you know
Speaker 3: what's coming. You've got to get the story out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think with the fighter Fest being more or
Speaker 4: less a free pay per view, that should be a
Speaker 4: huge help in building things up pretty quickly. He's not
Speaker 4: the one that four hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's unfortunate because I have heard I
Speaker 3: think Fightful select Is has reported that there are quite
Speaker 3: a few AW wrestlers that are banged up right now,
Speaker 3: which makes sense. I mean, Double or Nothing was brutal.
Speaker 3: You know, I know the bucks are banged up. I
Speaker 3: would be surprised if I still I mean.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, that's that's the thing. So I
Speaker 3: hope that fight or Fest has it off wrestlers healthy
Speaker 3: to make it a pay per.
Speaker 2: View on DV I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. I mean it just came out like
Speaker 4: to like late yesterday or early today that Drew McIntyre's
Speaker 4: gonna be taking a leave of absence because he can't
Speaker 4: turn his neck all the way left. And I hate that. Wrestlers,
Speaker 4: any athlete, really feel that they have to work hurt
Speaker 4: till it gets to that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, AW is famous for that.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, MGF worked hurt. You know, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of wrestlers worked or Julia Hart worked hurt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know they do, but I'm just saying it
Speaker 4: sucks that they feel that they have to.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you're like, look, and you know,
Speaker 3: I was upset because Drew McIntyre to me, he's the man.
Speaker 2: He is the man.
Speaker 3: I mean, by far, my favorite w w W wrestler
Speaker 3: because he just has the look, he has the talent.
Speaker 2: I just I just like everything he does.
Speaker 3: So, you know, I really really wish he gets healthy
Speaker 3: soon and takes the timing needs to come back and healthy,
Speaker 3: you know. So it's as simple as that. Well, that'll
Speaker 3: do it for the show. I think we've talked about
Speaker 3: pretty much everything that we can talk about.
Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward.
Speaker 3: To the fallout show of AW Dynamite, and we'll be
Speaker 3: back here tomorrow night, right after Dynamite to talk about
Speaker 3: it again. I'm just looking forward to it. I think
Speaker 3: it's going to be tremendous. I hope it's not a
Speaker 3: letdown because double or Nothing was so good. I hope
Speaker 3: it's not not a letdown. So I'm going to go
Speaker 3: back on to the AW Phantom sum Reddit and look
Speaker 3: at the crazy amount of conversation that's going on there
Speaker 3: because it's really exploded because of uple or nothing. It's
Speaker 3: just a lot of opinions going on between aw fans
Speaker 3: and w W fans. It's it's uh, it's it's it's
Speaker 3: a fun time to be a moderator and it's a
Speaker 3: horrible time to be a moderator at the same time.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like now that all these shows are going
Speaker 3: to be announced all at the.
Speaker 4: Same time, you know how much we're gonna have to
Speaker 4: be doing.
Speaker 2: Tony would get me started.
Speaker 4: To go around deleting everybody talking smack about the death Riders.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, if you you take about half the death
Speaker 3: Writer more than half, well more and a half of the.
Speaker 2: Death Writer post off the subred if you did that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, uh.
Speaker 3: We're gonna call it a night and we will see
Speaker 3: you right after Dynamite this week.
Speaker 2: Again. I I just I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 3: So anyway, Yeah, for the a w ont Podcast team,
Speaker 3: Thanks guys.
Speaker 2: This is Kelson. Good night everybody. Good night. Eddie Kingston