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<v Speaker 1>What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein Chronicles. During the twenty twenty four presidential campaign, Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and his surrogates talked a big game about Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein and about what they were going to do if

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<v Speaker 1>they were elected. Well, they got elected, and instead of

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<v Speaker 1>doing what they said they were going to do, they

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<v Speaker 1>did the exact opposite. And if you were wondering why,

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<v Speaker 1>all you have to do is take a look at

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<v Speaker 1>the administration and see how many people were involved with Epstein,

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<v Speaker 1>including the person we're about to talk about in this article.

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<v Speaker 1>And this dude happens to be the son of Leon Black.

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<v Speaker 1>And if that's not bad enough, this man's part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration. Today's article is from The Guardian and

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<v Speaker 1>the headline Trump appoint leading two hundred and five billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollar US agency had personal ties to Epstein. This article

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<v Speaker 1>was authored by Kate Brown. Ben Black, the head of

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<v Speaker 1>a little known government investment agency funded by billions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars from US taxpayers, had personal and business ties to

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein, according to emails and business filings released by

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Justice. Well, yeah, we've known about Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Black for a long time and The fact that he's

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<v Speaker 1>even in this administration tells you that this whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>is not serious when it comes to Ebstein. Leon Black,

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<v Speaker 1>his father one of the key people when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to Ebstein's finances, and his son, Ben Black is part

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<v Speaker 1>of the administration that's promising us transparency. And Scott Assent

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<v Speaker 1>wants to talk about Ron Wyden's son, Buddy, go take

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<v Speaker 1>five looks in the mirror. His father, Leon Black, had

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<v Speaker 1>once been the disgraced financiers highest paying client, calling on

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<v Speaker 1>the convicted sex offender for tax advice and the orchestra

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<v Speaker 1>payments to women. According to The New York Times and Bloomberg, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that's all it was. You know, Epstein was

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<v Speaker 1>just working for him, because Epstein's such a genius in

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<v Speaker 1>everything he did. Like, who's buying that bullshit these days?

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<v Speaker 1>All you have to do is take one look at

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein's emails and you can tell he wasn't some sylvant,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't some genius. He was useful, and boy did they

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<v Speaker 1>use him because, believe me, when we're talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>parasitic relationship, that's what all these people had with Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 1>A Guardian review of more than five thousand records from

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein's private correspondence found that Ben Black invested in the

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<v Speaker 1>same company as the financier Pedophile in twenty eleven, and

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<v Speaker 1>the two men had a relationship for several years. Afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein told a friend that he attended Ben Black's thirtieth birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>advised him on the purchase of an eleven and a

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<v Speaker 1>half million dollar townhouse, and helped one woman compose messages

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<v Speaker 1>to him. She wrote to Epstein to say that she

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<v Speaker 1>and Black had kissed the following day. Good old Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>as the matchmaker. Huh, what is this fiddler on the roof?

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<v Speaker 1>More like diddler on the roof? And now Black holds

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate confirmed position overseeing the Development Finance Corporation, the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump administration's largest overseas investment arm. The agency was previously

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<v Speaker 1>confined to work in low income countries, but Congress recently

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<v Speaker 1>cleared it to invest in high income countries and tripled

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<v Speaker 1>its lending cap to two hundred and five billion, greatly

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<v Speaker 1>expanding Black's influence over taxpayer funds. The Epstein administration and

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<v Speaker 1>full effect, nobody could do this job but Leon Black's kid. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I guess he's that talented we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Warren Buffett wrapped up with Michael Berry. Huh okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that's what Ben Black is. Meanwhile, Jeffrey Epstein himself

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<v Speaker 1>had some pretty terrible things to say about Leon Black's kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is appointed at least three other men with

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<v Speaker 1>known ties to Epstein to federal office. Howard Lutnik, the

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<v Speaker 1>secret Terry of Commerce, testified recently to the House Oversight

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<v Speaker 1>Committee after admitting that he had traveled to Ebstein's private island.

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<v Speaker 1>He has never been accused of any wrongdoing related to

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<v Speaker 1>Ebstein or otherwise. Lutnick sits on dfc's Board of Directors,

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<v Speaker 1>where he and Ben Black joined six other presidentially appointed

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<v Speaker 1>and Senate Conferm members in reviewing and approving the agency's

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<v Speaker 1>oversees investments. Nothing like one of Jeffrey Epstein's buddies being

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of two hundred and five billion of your

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<v Speaker 1>tax dollars, right, that's reassuring the scope of Ben Black's

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<v Speaker 1>personal connection to Abstein has not previously been reported. Black

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<v Speaker 1>has not been accused of wrongdoing in connection to Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>or any other matter. The DFC did not respond to

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<v Speaker 1>a request for comment. Lawyers for Leon Black responded to

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<v Speaker 1>questions on behalf of both Leon and his son, and

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<v Speaker 1>the White House spokesperson sent The Guardian an unsolicited defense

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<v Speaker 1>of Black's fitness for his job. Look, I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>that he's not fit for the gig. I'm Surery's intelligent,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure he knows what he's doing. The fact is,

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<v Speaker 1>why do we have all these Epstein adjacent people holding

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<v Speaker 1>positions of power? Especially considering everything that's come out, you

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<v Speaker 1>would think that that would be you know the line

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<v Speaker 1>in the sand, Ack, buddy, I can't have you in

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<v Speaker 1>this administration. You're name five thousand times in the files.

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<v Speaker 1>But then how can you have that standard when the

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<v Speaker 1>president himself was named what thirty eight thousand times? And

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<v Speaker 1>when I tell you that the fish stinks from the head,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I mean. A personal spokesperson for Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Black said Ben Black had no personal or a professional

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. I guess it was just Ron

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<v Speaker 1>wyden Son. But sent wants to go after widen Son.

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<v Speaker 1>Has he said anything about Ben Black? And look, again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that he shouldn't go after Ron. Whd

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<v Speaker 1>and son. He should, but he should have the same

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<v Speaker 1>kind of vigor when it comes to Leon Black's kid.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the problem with everything that's going on right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody wants to hold their own side accountable. Everybody wants

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<v Speaker 1>to have that gotcha moment for the other side without

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<v Speaker 1>cleaning their own house. And if you have a disgusting

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<v Speaker 1>ass yard, don't you dare pop your head over the

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<v Speaker 1>wall and tell me to pull my weeds, because I

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<v Speaker 1>promise you you're not going to get the reaction that

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<v Speaker 1>you're hoping for. And I think the same holds true here.

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<v Speaker 1>You have one side saying, well, what about Ron Wyden's kid?

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<v Speaker 1>Then you have Leon Black over here, and the other

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<v Speaker 1>side wants to point that out. Meanwhile the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>us are like, all of you are corrupt and none

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<v Speaker 1>of you are helping. Trump created the DFC with bipartisan

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<v Speaker 1>support during his first term and appointed Jared Kushner's former

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<v Speaker 1>college roommate Adam Bohler to transform the lending agency into

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<v Speaker 1>a tool to counter China and pursue more direct private investment.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, the concept of it's great. The problem is

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that's leading the department, Well, one of Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein's buddy sons. And not only that, but allegedly had

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<v Speaker 1>his own relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. So it's not even

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<v Speaker 1>like a sinse of the father type of deal. This

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<v Speaker 1>dude had his own ties to Epstein, at least according

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<v Speaker 1>to the emails. It's not clear exactly what led Trump

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<v Speaker 1>to appoint Ben Black to the DFC post, particularly given

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<v Speaker 1>that public record suggests an experience in international development and finance.

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<v Speaker 1>OH White House spokesperson told The Guardian Black had a

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<v Speaker 1>lead experience for the role. And again, just remember that

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein called Leon Black's kids retarded, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>people don't like that word, but that's what he said.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the guy we want in charge of international

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<v Speaker 1>finance for US. I'm gonna need to see his whole

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<v Speaker 1>ass resume. In January twenty twenty five, then Black called

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<v Speaker 1>the Pallanteer co founder Joe Lonsdell co authored an essay

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<v Speaker 1>calling for a pro market approach the foreign aid. They

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<v Speaker 1>specifically cited the missteps of the Biden administration and the

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<v Speaker 1>promise of investing in Greenland, a Danish outpost that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>has said he would like to control. OH Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get that. We're gonna have Cuba Venezuela, Canada fifty

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<v Speaker 1>first state. How can anyone take this dude serious? Like

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, with all the nonsense, how could you

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<v Speaker 1>take anything that that man says seriously? Where those Amelia

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<v Speaker 1>Earhart files? How about all those alien files? How about

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<v Speaker 1>the JFK files? Oh what about the Epstein files. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about you, folks, but I can't take all

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<v Speaker 1>this transparency. I'm going to overdose on it. Three weeks

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<v Speaker 1>after its publication, the President appointed Black now forty one,

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<v Speaker 1>to take charge of the US largest overseas investing arm.

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<v Speaker 1>Now age doesn't really matter. If the guy's qualified. He's qualified, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. But my problem is I doubt he's qualified.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to talk about nepotism. Here it is. Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Black grew up amid the upper echelons of New York financiers,

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<v Speaker 1>real estate moguls, and artificionados. His mother, Deborah Black, worked

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<v Speaker 1>as a Broadway producer, garnering Tentoni awards for her work.

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<v Speaker 1>And keep in mind that Leon Black was cheating on

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<v Speaker 1>her with Guzelle Ganieva at least and probably other women

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<v Speaker 1>for years, even when his wife was sick. What kind

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<v Speaker 1>of scumbag does that. Leon partnered with Deborah's brother to

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<v Speaker 1>found Apollo Global Management nineteen ninety, and the CEO led

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<v Speaker 1>it to become one of the five largest private equity

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<v Speaker 1>and credit managers in the world, with near lee one

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<v Speaker 1>trillion under management. And I'm sure they got that far

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<v Speaker 1>and square. I'm sure nobody got stepped on, nobody was destroyed,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody had their life ruined. Leon Black and Trump were

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<v Speaker 1>fellow travelers in the wild world of the nineties finance.

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<v Speaker 1>The two vulture capitalists once vied for this real estate

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<v Speaker 1>contracts in Boca Rautan and traveled to Moscow on business

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<v Speaker 1>in ninety six, where Leon Black later told senate investigators

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<v Speaker 1>that he and the president might have been in a

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<v Speaker 1>strip club together. Oh well, might have been. Huh they were,

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<v Speaker 1>And look, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>sit here and play mister amish. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the strip club, go to the strip club,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't try and present yourself as some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>god fearing great guy, because we know that's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm so sick of it. The main stop on

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's ninety six tour was Ducot Place, according to the

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<v Speaker 1>Moscow Times, where Trump once hoped to build Europe's first

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<v Speaker 1>Trump Tower. Leon Black went on the fund the development

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<v Speaker 1>of the luxury office complex after the trip. Now, no

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<v Speaker 1>connections here. Leon Black's not somebody that Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to cover up for, not at all. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even know each other. Stop it. Don't you know that

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<v Speaker 1>this is a hoax and that you should move on.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawyers for Leon Black said in illegal letter that Black

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<v Speaker 1>had no current ties to Russia, never did any business

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<v Speaker 1>with Trump. That they have known each other socially, mostly

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<v Speaker 1>as co residents of New York City, and the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they were in Moscow at the same time thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago has no news value in the year twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six. But it does, especially when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>this through the lens of a cover up. Is Leon

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<v Speaker 1>Black one of the people that Trump's trying to cover

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<v Speaker 1>up for? In my opinion probably Black was also Epstein's

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<v Speaker 1>top paying client by a wide margin for years. He

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<v Speaker 1>paid Epstein to advise him on tax having strategy, and

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<v Speaker 1>purchasing art, and acted as an intermediary in his affairs

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<v Speaker 1>with women and how the hell does Leon Black expect

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<v Speaker 1>anybody to take him serious when he says he has

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<v Speaker 1>no ties to Russia? We already know you do. We

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<v Speaker 1>know that Jeffrey Epstein reached out to somebody and grew

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<v Speaker 1>or connected to grew to try and get people pressed,

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<v Speaker 1>to try to get people intimidated. But sure, Leon Black

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<v Speaker 1>has no idea what's going on over in Russia. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he can't even find it on a map. A Senate

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<v Speaker 1>Finance Committee investigation found that Black paid the convicted sex

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<v Speaker 1>offender one hundred and seventy million, which Black said was

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<v Speaker 1>for legitimate estate and tax planning services. Epstein helped them

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<v Speaker 1>send about twenty million to women, The New York Times found,

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<v Speaker 1>but Epstein had nothing to do with anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>diddle some people, right, mister President, isn't that what you

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<v Speaker 1>told us? I guess all of this is just made up.

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<v Speaker 1>Three women have sued Lyon Black for alleged sexual abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>Two of the suits have been dismissed and one remains pending.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawyers for Leon Black said in a statement to the

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<v Speaker 1>Guardian that misconduct allegations raised against Black were false, and

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<v Speaker 1>that subsequent events have established with certainty that mister Black's

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<v Speaker 1>account was truthful and his accusers' claims were not. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not true. We still have a case pending, So

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<v Speaker 1>what are you even talking about. I think it would

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<v Speaker 1>case before anybody is out here trying to exonerate Leon Black.

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<v Speaker 1>Leon Black has never been charged with any crime in

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<v Speaker 1>relation to the allegations. A separate independent inquiry commissioned by

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<v Speaker 1>Apollo Management to investigate its founder alleged ties to Epstein's

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<v Speaker 1>sex trafficking network in twenty twenty one found no evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that Epstein ever introduced Black or offered to introduce Black

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<v Speaker 1>to any underage women. Well, that investigation was a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of bs, absolute nonsense, nothing more than a whitewash, just

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<v Speaker 1>like the rest of these internal investigations we always hear about.

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<v Speaker 1>Have any of these internal investigations ever found anything that

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<v Speaker 1>was damning, anything that sent people to prison? You all

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<v Speaker 1>know the answer to that. All right, folks, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>episode we're gonna pick up where we left off. All

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<v Speaker 1>the information that goes with this episode can be found

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<v Speaker 1>in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to pick up where he left off with the

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<v Speaker 1>Guardian article talking about Ben Black. The author of this

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<v Speaker 1>article is Kate Brown. Ben Black attended the Dalton School,

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<v Speaker 1>a prestigious Upper east Side establishment where Epstein briefly taught

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<v Speaker 1>math and physics in the seventies. He graduated in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and two alongside many of New York's most well

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<v Speaker 1>healed children, and went on to study history at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Pennsylvania. He later earned a dual master's in

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<v Speaker 1>business and law at Harvard and a master's in taxation

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<v Speaker 1>from New York University Harvard always with Harvard. In twenty eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Black and several of his family members invested in

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<v Speaker 1>Environmental Solutions Worldwide, a diesel emissions control company where Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>was a six percent shareholder VIA's Virgini Island shell company

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<v Speaker 1>Financial Trust. According to SEC filings, Ben Black and Joshua Black,

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<v Speaker 1>one of his brothers, became directors of ESWW that same year.

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<v Speaker 1>Company record show AH, I have no doubt that Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein had nothing to do with it. Never mind the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that Leon Black has given Epstein hundreds of millions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars. But sure, nothing to see here, just another coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not clear whether Ben Black was aware that Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>was ESWW shareholder when he took a stake in the

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<v Speaker 1>entity through his personal trust fund, though his father, Leon

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<v Speaker 1>had encouraged Epstein to invest in the group a year earlier. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he had no idea. Stop with the nonsense. Okay, not

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<v Speaker 1>that big of elite. His dad knew his dad encouraged

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein to invest. Is it too much for us to

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<v Speaker 1>think that Ben Black knew too? Two weeks after Leon

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<v Speaker 1>black suggestion, Epstein wired one million to purchase ESWW company

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<v Speaker 1>debt augmenting holdings that dated back to two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 1>According to his barristern's account. Epstein, through his company, sold

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<v Speaker 1>his ESWW shares to the Black Family Partner's LP, a

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<v Speaker 1>private partnership that manages some of Leon Black's fourteen billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollar estate in November of twenty twelve. All these ties

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<v Speaker 1>blind and if this was normal circumstances, and say that

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<v Speaker 1>you or I were accused of what Epstein was accused of,

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<v Speaker 1>this will all be rico And I know I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're tired of hearing it, but guess what, I'm tired

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<v Speaker 1>of living in a reality where it's not a Rico case.

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<v Speaker 1>This is exactly what Rico was built for. Lawyers for

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<v Speaker 1>Leon Black described this as a change an investment strategy

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<v Speaker 1>on behalf of Epstein. Oh, just it's always Epstein's fault.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you noticed that too? All these people that get

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<v Speaker 1>called out, all these people that had relationships with them,

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<v Speaker 1>now they all want to blame Epstein. He was evil,

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<v Speaker 1>he was this, He was that? Well? Was he when

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<v Speaker 1>you guys were getting riched together? Was he evil when

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<v Speaker 1>he was pressing women that you allegedly assaulted? And if

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<v Speaker 1>he was, then why'd you still do business with him?

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<v Speaker 1>Why didn't you write him out? Why didn't you go

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<v Speaker 1>to the authorities and tell them. I know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more about Epstein than other people. There are some discrepancies

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<v Speaker 1>in the public timeline documenting Ben Black's involvement with ESWW.

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<v Speaker 1>A Senate Ethics disclosure dates his board term to June

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, ten years after Black's role was first

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<v Speaker 1>listed in SEC filings. A company web page that listed

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Black on its board of directors between twenty fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty twenty three has been taken down. Oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure it has been. Got to cover those tracks, got

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure the cover up is running as smoothly

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<v Speaker 1>as possible. Right. Lawyers for Leon Black did not answer

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<v Speaker 1>questions about Ben Black's role on the ESWW board or

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<v Speaker 1>his tenure there. ESWW did not return a request for

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<v Speaker 1>comment about Black's tenure with the company, and I doubt

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<v Speaker 1>they will private company. Why would they? Ben Black said

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<v Speaker 1>that he would resign from his position at ESWW upon

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<v Speaker 1>assuming his role at Development Finance Corporation, but would continue

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<v Speaker 1>to own company stock. By his mid twenties, Ben Black

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<v Speaker 1>had taken a position within the natural resources group at

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<v Speaker 1>his father's firm in New York. But he had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea about Epstein, right, no clue that Epstein was a

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<v Speaker 1>dirt bag. My dad hangs out with him, must be

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<v Speaker 1>a great guy, or the flip side of that, your

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<v Speaker 1>dad's scumbag too, either or Records show that Black was

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled to meet Epstein on several occasions after the young

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<v Speaker 1>scion returned to the city. He was first scheduled to

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<v Speaker 1>meet Epstein as his father's guest in twenty twelve. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not known whether the meeting went ahead. A year later,

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<v Speaker 1>emails between Epstein's staff and a Google administrator reflected that

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein would be joining Ben Black and his girlfriend for

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<v Speaker 1>a private tour of Google's New York headquarters. Leon Black

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<v Speaker 1>and Crinny Ashuliac, Epstein's longtime Belarussian lover, were also listed

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<v Speaker 1>as part of the six person tour. The identity of

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<v Speaker 1>the six guest was redacted in Justice Department filings. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>what an intricate web we weave. All these people are

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<v Speaker 1>so connected, and they all knew Jeffrey Epstein a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more intimately than they ever let on. And now that

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<v Speaker 1>it's all coming to light, they're trying to say face

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<v Speaker 1>the best way they can. But when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>these emails, they provide receipts, and all the people that

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<v Speaker 1>denied being friendly with Epstein being partners with them, well

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<v Speaker 1>they were proven to be liars. Lawyers for Leon Black

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<v Speaker 1>said that Ben Black did not attend the tour of

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<v Speaker 1>the Google headquarters, and that a tour did not attend

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<v Speaker 1>does not establish a relationship of any kind, let alone

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<v Speaker 1>a close one. By September twenty thirteen, Epstein obtained Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Black's contact information after a family escape planning meeting at

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<v Speaker 1>which both men were present. According to a memo summarizing

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<v Speaker 1>the meeting, Leon said fine to set up meetings with

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<v Speaker 1>Ben and Josh. Leon Black's assistant emailed Epstein's assistant. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not clear whether the two men corresponded, but Epstein told

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<v Speaker 1>a friend that he flew to the Hamptons to celebrate

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Black's birthday his thirtieth birthday in July of twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawyers for Leon Black said Epstein did not attend a

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<v Speaker 1>birthday celebration for Benjamin in twenty fourteen. Wherever, well, somebody's lying,

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<v Speaker 1>who is it? And why would Epstein lie about going

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<v Speaker 1>to the party. After reviewing the email in which Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>told a friend that he attended Ben Black's birthday, the

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer later said that they were not aware of any

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<v Speaker 1>email to Leon Black acknowledging any attendants at the party,

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<v Speaker 1>and mister Black and his son have confirmed that Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>did not attend. Whatever he may have said in emails,

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<v Speaker 1>It's very well known that Epstein was prone to exaggeration, lies,

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<v Speaker 1>and inishments to try to elevate his importance with others. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein was so evil, it's well known. They knew that

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<v Speaker 1>about him, but they didn't know he was diddling people. Okay, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>How can anyone take any of these people serious? That's

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<v Speaker 1>the real question. And honestly, I'm at the point that

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<v Speaker 1>the people that take this kind of shit serious, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't take them serious. Sorry. If your ass is dumb

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<v Speaker 1>enough to be dog walked by these people at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>you deserve everything you get. Two days after Ben Black's

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<v Speaker 1>birthday party, Epstein weighed in on Black's planned to buy

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<v Speaker 1>and eleven and a half million dollars townhouse. The transaction

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<v Speaker 1>was carefully orchestrated to minimize tax exposure. Email show Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>totally on Black's executive assistant that if Ben had questions

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<v Speaker 1>after the purchase, he could call any time. People need

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<v Speaker 1>to understand. That was Epstein's biggest role, bundling money. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what he did. Everything else was secondary. Epstein was so

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<v Speaker 1>useful because he knew how to hide money. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the whole story. And because he was so useful,

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<v Speaker 1>they looked the other way. By the end of twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Black's parents had moved into a thirty room Italian Renaissance

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<v Speaker 1>style mansion one block from Epstein's upper east side address.

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<v Speaker 1>Tensions between Leon Black and Epstein Ebbden flowed over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>Email show Epstein repeatedly admonished Black for delaying personal changes

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<v Speaker 1>in his family's office Elyssa management, and short changing his

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<v Speaker 1>compensation for a formidable advisory task. In February twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein's assistant asked Ben Black and his brother Joshua if

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<v Speaker 1>they would have their portraits painted as a gift to

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<v Speaker 1>their father. The brothers agreed and met Keong No, a

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<v Speaker 1>Korean painter, for a photography session. No told The Guardian

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<v Speaker 1>that he received a scholarship from Epstein to study portraiture

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<v Speaker 1>at the New York Academy of Art. He said the

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<v Speaker 1>scholarship stipulated that he had to paint at least one

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<v Speaker 1>portrait for donors. They sent me the two guys, he recalled.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked their photo and then I painted it in

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<v Speaker 1>my studio space. After graduating, some guy came and picked

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<v Speaker 1>it up. Well, I don't blame the artist, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>have no qualms with him. His job is to create

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<v Speaker 1>art and that's what he did. And Jeffrey Epstein, we

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<v Speaker 1>all know that he had his fingers deep in the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Academy of Art. And that's another question that

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<v Speaker 1>I've always had, just how deep did that go? And

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<v Speaker 1>was the New York Academy of Art feeding girls directly

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<v Speaker 1>into the belly of the beast, because if you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to what Maria says, that's what was happening. He added

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<v Speaker 1>that he had no knowledge of Epstein or the Black

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<v Speaker 1>family at the time or received any money in exchange

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<v Speaker 1>for his work. Lawyers for Leon Black initially said that

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<v Speaker 1>neither Benjamin nor his brother Joshua had sat for a

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<v Speaker 1>portrait commissioned by Epstein, and that no follow up eml

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<v Speaker 1>suggested that a portrait had been painted. After reviewing a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of the painting, the lawyers additionally said, as for

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<v Speaker 1>the portrait you provided, it appears to be painted from

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<v Speaker 1>a picture. Neither Ben nor josh Black sat for a

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<v Speaker 1>portrait commissioned by Epstein. Leon Black doesn't have any portrait

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<v Speaker 1>of Ben and josh period, So I guess the artist

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<v Speaker 1>is lying. I'm gonna believe the artist over Leon Black. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>If Epstein appreciated the boys help, his emails didn't convey

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<v Speaker 1>much respect for their financial acumen. You have a bomb

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<v Speaker 1>of colored string that your retarded children have formed, Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>wrote to Leon in a detailed note about their family finances.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to be carefully unwound. And that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>said earlier. In Epstein's own words, called Leon Black's kids retarded,

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<v Speaker 1>and Black continued to have a relationship with them. Imagine

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<v Speaker 1>somebody telling you your kids are retarded. I'll show you

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<v Speaker 1>retarded because you're gonna have CTE after I'm done with you.

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<v Speaker 1>But Leon Black, Nah, no big deal. I got a

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<v Speaker 1>couple retarded kids, haha, Jeffrey. On December thirty one, twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein received an email from Saint Bart's, a Caribbean destination

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<v Speaker 1>where many of the financier's friends flocked for the holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello Jeffrey, Yes, last night we met Black's family and

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<v Speaker 1>Greek boy too. He was with a very ugly, rude girl.

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<v Speaker 1>But we had a great time with the brothers. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>we'll meet them today. They are very nice and this

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<v Speaker 1>is from an undisclosed person. On New Year's Day, he

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<v Speaker 1>received a second email. Tonight dinner with Ben Black and brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a great time and lots of fun here.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it well. I wonder who that was. Were

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<v Speaker 1>they girls that were being trafficked meeting with the Black brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>So it looks to me like they've just been lying

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<v Speaker 1>this whole time, and they're so embarrassed about their relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with Epstein that they'll do whatever they can to try

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<v Speaker 1>and make sure nobody knows about it. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>these emails are damning, and my question is why is

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Black part of the administration. His email contacts were

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<v Speaker 1>among the young women gathered in St. Bart's for New

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<v Speaker 1>Year's where one person reported that two hundred fabulous and

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<v Speaker 1>more fabulous guests had joined the Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich,

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<v Speaker 1>then wife for a year. Abash Leon and Deborah Black

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<v Speaker 1>were among them. A month later, Epstein received a missive

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<v Speaker 1>from a woman in New York. Hello, Jeffrey, please help

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<v Speaker 1>me what to answer to Ben Black? He just texted me, So,

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<v Speaker 1>how does your schedule look? I have a few ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>but do you have a preference? Well? What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Why does Jeffrey Epstein have anything to do with some

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<v Speaker 1>woman hanging out with Ben Black? Could it be that

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein was not the lone predator that we've heard about. Nah,

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<v Speaker 1>that couldn't be the case, right, Epstein, and the woman

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<v Speaker 1>who identified herself as Cheek in more than one hundred emails,

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<v Speaker 1>discussed Ben's email and his subsequent invitation to dinner. At

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<v Speaker 1>nine am the next morning, Epstein received an email with

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<v Speaker 1>the subject line Ben Black, Hello Jeffrey. Last night I

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<v Speaker 1>had a great time with Ben and he kissed me.

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<v Speaker 1>He was behaving like a real gentleman. Chick references Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Black and his family on at least three separate occasions

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<v Speaker 1>in her correspondence with Epstein. So what role did Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>play here? Was he matchmaking again? And was this one

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<v Speaker 1>of the girls that was trafficked? I got questions? She

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<v Speaker 1>first asked Epstein for help to get in with Leon

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<v Speaker 1>and the family to an exclusive New Year's party. After

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<v Speaker 1>he arranged her tickets to Saint Bart's back in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheek asked Epstein for help responding to blacks text messages,

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<v Speaker 1>and then asked whether Ben Black would be joining her

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<v Speaker 1>appointment with his father one month after they had kissed.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Leon Bee coming tomorrow alone? No? Bb, Jeffrey, what

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<v Speaker 1>time would you like to see me tomorrow? She wrote?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not known whether the appointment went ahead. Look, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that I'm not the only one that thinks all

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<v Speaker 1>of that needs to be explained, like what the hell

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<v Speaker 1>are you people doing and what The Black family lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>describe Ben Black's relationship to Chick as a single private

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<v Speaker 1>date between two consenting adults. In twenty fifteen. Benjamin met

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<v Speaker 1>a woman and they went on a date and he

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<v Speaker 1>treated her nicely, a fact represented in the emails, they

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<v Speaker 1>said in a statement to the Guardian. They also said

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<v Speaker 1>that Ben Black did not know that the woman would

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<v Speaker 1>email Epstein or the content of any emails that may

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<v Speaker 1>have exchanged with Epstein. The lawyers did not comment on

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<v Speaker 1>records linking Ben Black to women in Saint Bart's The

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers did not comment on emails referring to Leon Black

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<v Speaker 1>and Chick. Like the other women in Epstein's orbit, Chick

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to defer to Epstein for both personal and financial support.

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<v Speaker 1>She asked for small favors like polishing a resume or

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<v Speaker 1>purchasing a coffee machine, and larger ones like topping up

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<v Speaker 1>her bank account when I ran dry. Epstein also called

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<v Speaker 1>on Chick for favors and scolded her when she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>follow through. We had planned to go to Paris and

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<v Speaker 1>I needed help on the plane, he wrote after New

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<v Speaker 1>Year's shameful, shameful. Amid their conversation, Chick appears to write

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<v Speaker 1>about Ben Black with a similar blend of deference and awe,

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<v Speaker 1>he is so cool and I don't understand what he

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<v Speaker 1>wants from me, she wrote, Oh, I know what he wants.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that difficult. Several DFC staff raised questions about Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Black's background when Trump first elected the Wall Street scion

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<v Speaker 1>to lead the US multi billion dollar lending arm, according

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<v Speaker 1>to interviews with nearly a dozen former and current employees

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<v Speaker 1>who spoke to The Guardian on the condition of anonymity

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<v Speaker 1>for fear of retribution. Oh, fear of retribution from Trump?

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, never, he would never do that. Trump's just

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<v Speaker 1>a great guy, and you know he allows a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of criticism from the people around them. Black has a

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<v Speaker 1>limited track record in emerging markets. According to public records,

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<v Speaker 1>his New York base private equity firm Fortinbras's Enterprises opened

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<v Speaker 1>an outpost in the UAE in twenty twenty four, where

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<v Speaker 1>Black helped open a branch of his family's office. That

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<v Speaker 1>same year, his father, Leon was a subject of a

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<v Speaker 1>Senate investigation into dealings with Epstein at the time. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not qualified to do this for sure, a former DFC

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<v Speaker 1>director said of Black, it does make you wonder, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>why is he in that role? Nepotism. That's why nothing

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<v Speaker 1>more than Donald Trump thrown as boy Leon Black a bone.

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<v Speaker 1>A White House spokesperson sent an unsolicited email to the

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<v Speaker 1>Guardian defending Black's fitness to lead America's Deal Team, an

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<v Speaker 1>agency that has been rebranded under Trump, and Leon Black's

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers sent a legal letter to the Guardian. It's absurd

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<v Speaker 1>to imply that Benjamin, who has law and business degrees

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<v Speaker 1>from Harvard and a master's in taxation from New York

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<v Speaker 1>University School of Law, is somehow underqualified to run the

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<v Speaker 1>DFC or only got the position based on his father's connections.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Trump, how many other people have those same qualifications?

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<v Speaker 1>So what may bend Black so special? Pretty simple question.

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<v Speaker 1>When the Department of Justice released portions of Epstein's correspondence

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<v Speaker 1>in December twenty twenty five, a handful of DFC employees

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<v Speaker 1>uncover records of their boss and the files and their

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<v Speaker 1>concerns changed. Initially, people were sharing Epstein's comments and private

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<v Speaker 1>group chats, particularly Epstein's criticism of the Black children's financial skills.

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<v Speaker 1>One former staff member said, people were like eye roll.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy running the world's largest bilateral bank apparently can't

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<v Speaker 1>manage money. The person said, this is such a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>A few weeks later, staff discovered chicks email to Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>describing her date with Ben and the chatter largely stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>People just wanted to put blinders on, a former staff

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<v Speaker 1>member said, summarizing a series of their conversations with current employees. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>they said, morale is low and people are afraid to

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<v Speaker 1>speak out. Every buddies just looking out for their jobs. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's usually what happens. Nobody wants to come forward because

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<v Speaker 1>they know the deal. If they come forward, then Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and his foot soldiers are going to come after you,

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<v Speaker 1>and as we've seen recently, that is not a good

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<v Speaker 1>ideal when it comes to your career. So look, let's

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<v Speaker 1>be clear. There's no allegation that Ben Black did anything criminal,

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<v Speaker 1>none at all. The problem is his father is somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that was deeply entrenched and deeply tied to Jeffrey Epstein,

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<v Speaker 1>and considering where the investigation is and that his father

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<v Speaker 1>is a target of the investigation or should be, you

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<v Speaker 1>would think that Ben Black wouldn't be in the administration.

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<v Speaker 1>But unfortunately, in this bizarro reality that we find ourselves in,

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<v Speaker 1>up is down and down is up and Epstein adjacent. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's acceptable, all right, folks. That's gonna do it for

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<v Speaker 1>this one. All the information that goes with this episode

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