Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the Gimmick. The
first edition of The Gimmick in twenty twenty six. I
am for my grieving boy here at the Canadian Nightmare
tras now, and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: The bouncier than because I was struggling with the name
and all I kept thinking about was Javon Evans and
my poor guy in his untelevised contract signing.
Speaker 1: Someone signing Meltzer says they don't see him as a
franchise player, you know what a week for Javon and
then goes to me roster, so we'll see.
Speaker 3: And then, unless I.
Speaker 4: Was trying to think of a good one, the best
one I had was just like a really dumb one,
which was just gonna be, which is this is gonna
be s Buve's the future Kazarian because he's still not
like years old. But it's funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I saw something one of those classic like He's a
Demon trending on my timeline and.
Speaker 3: It's like these clips are all from like, yeah.
Speaker 4: Something they did later on post on those like a
match from last week. But it was like like it's
like he does the same, like I would say he's
a bad wrestler, Like he still does the same ways
he did back then. Obviously, it's like until like he
kind of hurting himself when he's doing that leg drop
like yeah to the apron, like to the floor. He
tells it's hurting to do.
Speaker 3: That, but he's older. Like that.
Speaker 1: That happens to everybody, right, they all slowed down. I
think with Kazarian, he just never fully it sounds bad,
but like I think his peak in general is probably
like the first couple of years of aw when they're in.
Speaker 3: SCU because he just he never had that. He doesn't
not have I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like he's not like a you get on the
mic and like, oh my god's awful. It's just there's
always something missing. And like Mike, I can never take
what Kazarian's character was, you know, Like I know he
was like the elite hunter for what but like for
the past ten years, he's.
Speaker 4: Just like his guy right now is literally just like
I've been in TNA a long time, Like like his characters,
he's the king of TNA because he's been in DNA
a long time and like you know, all the time,
like he's just on commentary.
Speaker 3: I don't like to hear.
Speaker 4: That he won the world like like he won the
world title and before that, like I think the last
ten times he was in a pay per view main
event was because he was on commentary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a few things, like I'm not gonna jump
on him the same way Kevin Nashes, but like I'm
with Nash. I don't like T shirt wrestlers. I don't
if you're wearing a T shirt dur in your match,
I don't like it. There's a few people like Kevin
Owens I can work, but no, I.
Speaker 3: Don't like it.
Speaker 1: And I don't like active wrestlers on compaar. I hate
like obviously he even was the greatest, but when Jericho
was doing aw comptair, I hated that. I just I
don't mind if it's like the you know, in the
I guess like your opponentsy, that's fine, like a guest spot,
but when they're active.
Speaker 3: They're like Rocky Romeo like in New Japan.
Speaker 1: He still does it like he's on comp chart and like, man,
we'll talk by I watched at least matches wrestling.
Speaker 4: He's awful.
Speaker 3: He's awful right now.
Speaker 4: Doesn't he like book some of the American stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like under Gato or something like that.
Speaker 1: But like and he wasn't bad before when he was
like a baby face commentary but as a heel comte.
Speaker 3: There was one times like in the middle of the match.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the two New Japan commentaries, but they're like, yeah, Rocky,
you want to speak to Ocdda's poker face dead silence
for like fifteen twenty seconds, and then the other guy
was like, well, you know what Ocada's poker face, But.
Speaker 3: Rocky didn't even track it. He didn't. He just like
let it hang there.
Speaker 1: And there's multimes on the match, and like that New
Japan team needs some they need some they need some
talent over there. They need like the way aw has
like fifteen commentaries. They need to steal want to get
in New Japan. Because I didn't love I didn't love
the commentary on New Japan. I only watched the Suji
Talk match and a ton of Hashei match.
Speaker 3: And which we'll talk about a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm able to talk about now quickly because it's not
too much today, but like, yeah, commentary is like a
little bit desired there in New Japan.
Speaker 5: Right now.
Speaker 1: It's not not the greatest. The Australian guy. I think
he's just there because he can translate Japanese. I think,
you know, I don't know, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris Charlton, I think it's his name is He
is horrible. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it.
Speaker 6: I get it.
Speaker 2: Like after the whole Kevin Kelly thing, like they were
out of commentators, like they lost Kevin Kelly, they callous
left to love Don Kallis. Yeah, yeah, they lost Jr.
They lost like all these people at the same time.
But then they brought in Chris Charlton because he's an
English speaker who also speaks Japanese. But man that he
is hard to listen to it times.
Speaker 1: And like this was always the case when I was
watching New Japan way in the past and then full
time in the like twenty seven and twenty nineteen era.
Speaker 3: I still I don't know.
Speaker 1: If I like, I know, it can't be perfect, but
they need to find a way to hit English translator
like subtitles on the screen, like if YouTube can do it,
like right away. I mean New Japan doesn't want pay
for it, but there's nothing like tan Hashi kind of
emotional promo and then that guy just translated from the
whole time and like deadpan, like.
Speaker 3: He's really happier tonight, He's happy. All you could make
it up.
Speaker 1: It's it's just like hit some of the worst stuff
to watch it. Yeah, yeah, even if it's not one
hundred percent, I'll take it over.
Speaker 3: This guy just saying it like coldly.
Speaker 1: As possible, like a ton of Hash's speech, which was
crazy because I watched it after the fact, and so
I cause I just watched it, I said, I watched
Sushi and Talk.
Speaker 3: I watched to Hashi and the matches.
Speaker 1: I think like thirty five forty minutes, like somewhere in there,
like even without entest is there.
Speaker 3: And then I saw on the screen the time that
was left, and I thought, oh, well, clearly half an hour.
Speaker 1: That's like an at a PO show Mike, And so
I watched everything where of course he lost. He does
his speech and then everyone comes out and then he's
saying goodbye. He does another speech, and then I'm like, hey,
what's go And I jump like twenty minutes' head and
here he is on a fucking WrestleMania two cart, waving
the crowd.
Speaker 3: I cut again he's on the stage with his flowers.
Speaker 1: I'm like, literally he was out there for about forty
five minutes after everybody came out after the speeches, everything
just walk around, which I'm not saying he doesn't deserve.
I just could believe, like, Wow, No, wonder why Russell
Kingdom had that smaller card because literally.
Speaker 4: Make sure it was like they were playing it like
on a TV station, like that wasn't just a paper ree.
So they had the time limit, so I'm wondering, like
they must have been like, okay, we have we have
one hour time for matches and two hour time for
for duns, my.
Speaker 3: Favorite thing, which I would have not booked it at all.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe, because David, did you watch the full
show or just like the last few matches?
Speaker 3: What did you watch?
Speaker 2: I watched the beginning couple of matches and then I
skipped and watched the last two matches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't watch the whole show because everyone told
me up until like the last three was not a
good show.
Speaker 4: And I looked at it. I didn't see it, but
I looked at like the like the drop kicked ratings
because usually those wrestled kingdoms like if there's like through
two or three, like a great matches on it, the
rating will be like four point nine nine out of
five stars. And this one had like a had like
a four average rating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they heard a lot of the earlier matches, but
that thing where so like that's all I watched, and
they do a ton of HASHCAA, which I thought was
really good for me.
Speaker 3: It was like a like a four point two, but
I saw like a lot. I get it.
Speaker 1: Lots of people rate it very high, and I understand
that because I'm a fan of Japan, but I've not
watched it my whole life, so I get there's definitely
like a nostalgia and sint On Hashi and I think
it was.
Speaker 3: Good for what he could do.
Speaker 1: And then he lost, but yeah, I thought it was
a really good main event I had like that new
Japan Energy. They do the classic Rick Flair thing, which
I kind of wish. They did a scene where like
one by one big rivals of his career came out
and then I get it because he's with Noah now,
but all of them leave and then Nito gets to
come out last. Nito with the longest entrance and this
is circling back to what s was someone with the
TV and the timing. Literally at one point when they show, uh,
what'sn hashe in the ring? Night was just standing there
and tana hashi' is literally tapping his wrists like let's go,
like and he did it like rap.
Speaker 3: It up, like trying to tell like the people like.
Speaker 4: The Jeff Keeley please are.
Speaker 1: And like I like no, like anybody else, but like
it was like an innoxious entrance to me.
Speaker 4: I thought he did aman reins entrance for ton.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's back in New Japan, even his problems,
like I may never wrestle in this ring again.
Speaker 3: It's like I don't give a shit about you right now, Nito.
Speaker 1: Like it was so it was to the point where
it was a surprise, but then after the fact, I
was like, you know what, I don't know if I
would have Nito here, if it was going to be
this big hubbabaloo.
Speaker 3: But that was good. And then Sushi and.
Speaker 4: This one that one I did see, yes called start
calling it immediately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was so funny because he comes and he's
still like playing like his aw heel thing. He's like
doing like he's sure he was plugging his ears. I
was like, all right, sure, but uh no. I watched that,
and then I watched Talking Suji, which was actually really
really good.
Speaker 3: It like that was a.
Speaker 1: Classic New Japan, like slow, we're building and I love
the last five minutes. It's just them standing there and
just like both guys like I hate you and I'm
gonna throw whatever I can at you.
Speaker 3: And then Suji got the better of it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what do you think of wrestled kingdody of
what you did watch in the Tanahashee retirement.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, I watched the first uh two matches,
then I skipped the next two matches. I watched the
United in part match just because I really liked them,
and then skip the next matches. Saw the Suji match.
I really liked Cji match. I think it was as
shocked as I am that uh He beat Takeshta because
Takesha's looks so strong in every match that he's been in,
whether it be aw or New Japan. I'm happy that
they have like of them guy who can be in
Japan holding the belt. I'm even happier that they brought
back the version four of.
Speaker 3: The God.
Speaker 1: For years the second that was unveiled, Everyone's like, what
is this piece of cra.
Speaker 4: It's the new Ja Van Divas title.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so I'm happy with that. And you know,
Akana versus Tanahashi was just a fun match. Like I
didn't expect Tanahashi to be the Tana Hashi of ten
years ago. I wasn't expect ding, you know, Russell Kingham's
ten through fifteen, ton of Hashey. I'm like, this man's
got some beat up knees and he is doing his best.
Speaker 4: Doing that when he did almost doing before.
Speaker 3: That's what it's like. I get it, Peel Love. I'm
like when I saw that's fun, Like, I'm like I
can't get this five stars, you know, like that there's
those needs and granted it's fine, he's doing his best,
but those knees were screaming for agony in that match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that match went on for thirty three minutes,
and I'm just like, God, like, I'll respect you, ton
of Hashey, but we could we could cut at least
ten minutes off of this and it'd still be a
good match.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll see I hope, because, like people have said,
New Japan's been like Rocky lately and I would love
to start watching in full time so people I feel
like with that. And I heard New Year's Dash was
really good, which I didn't watch, but even the setup
of fucking of course andrades back, but just to them
even announce and stuff they're like they're doing, and I
think it's the beginning of February, like Andraate versus Cape Kid,
I'm like, geez, he's a wise or maybe it's not
beginning of February, because I feel because Gab's kids contract
supposed to be out in January.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll find that out, but I'm hoping they can
have like.
Speaker 1: A somewhat of a number one yes in the Winter
fight Suji, which I've only seen a few things of Suji,
which so far I've.
Speaker 3: Liked everything with him. I like his gimmick like a style.
Speaker 1: So and either one is interesting because Gabe Kid obviously
a very different style and then Androtti very different style
than Androtti is already back in aw so man like
he's he's making.
Speaker 3: Moves all the time. Man, he's he's the Wolf of
wallshitt of wrestling. He's just everywhere.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so what we're gonna do today we're gonna
talk on some other topics in w and AW that
we've kind of some stuff that just happened this week,
and then some stuff that is kind of we've missed
out on since because I think our last show was
there's a scene of retirement show, right, I think mid December. Yeah,
and then for the next shows for GM out, we're
still gonna figure out, Well, we're gonna see what happens there.
We're still gonna at least finish that season and do
our matches the third season. We'll figure out if we do,
we'll figure out if you who's if any of us are.
Speaker 3: Buying two K twenty six, we will get back.
Speaker 1: Of course, right now, Sundays are super paying the ass
for me right now, so hopefully we'll get figure that out.
But that's gonna be a TVD. And then the other
thing is I forgot the rumble.
Speaker 3: It's already the thirty first, So are we supposed to
have a draft like shake up again before that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll we'll see because because that would be
next week, but then.
Speaker 4: The week so I mean it could be the week
not next week, but the week after.
Speaker 1: That, but the wee uh yeah, yeah, I guess because
then we then we gotta yeah, and then we gotta
cover the Rumble two on the week after, So yeah,
maybe we'll try and do something for the twenty fourth,
twenty fifth, and then yeah, we'll do a Rumble episode
whether that's the night at like the right after the
show or the Sunday, so we'll figure out.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, look out for.
Speaker 1: That because we'll try and figure that out because yeah,
it's kind of a I.
Speaker 3: Don't know why. I guess it's I guess the same
time as usual, it's always like what our Pro Bowl weekend?
But yeah, so we got it.
Speaker 6: They finished building the stadium, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that stadium as I'll be curious to see it.
But before we continue on, I suppose you have the
current draft rankings, because you're saying so big and.
Speaker 3: Low weeks for one of us and the other of us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so okay, i'll start. I have it here. Well,
before I get the titles, I can say, yeah, Travis,
where was it? Oh, I don't think that's so here
it is, okay. Yeah, So week forty, which was this week,
Travis had the best week or best non pl week
out of anyone in the draft so far.
Speaker 6: I think justice sure as a rock is covered in
chills already.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, man, Hell yeah.
Speaker 4: Because you got five points for Ria winning a title,
five points for drew In in a title, You got
one point for Brawn just being in a match. You
got five points for Becky winning a title, two points
for Live winning a title, and then one point for
Lyra being in a match.
Speaker 3: Wow. See I wish, I wish it's all happened on
a pl E. I could have been.
Speaker 1: Just just getting the points, but no, I'm very excited.
Speaker 4: So and then David I said he had the worst
last three weeks and I can read the So the
totals for his last three weeks are negative six, negative four,
and I think that would be negative two title has
Alia losing his title and then Mellow winning the title,
which was minus ten because that's his Jober pick. Oh No,
then minus four for Chelsea losing the title, and minus
three again for Mellow defending his title, and then minus
four for Cody losing his title, and then another minus
three for Melow defending his title. You guys been in
the positives since uh like four weeks ago.
Speaker 3: I think in a couple of weeks you gotta drop Mellow.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's gonna be the play there, because yeah,
it's funny though.
Speaker 3: When you read it like that, so many I gotta
bring up the roster.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: That's so many title changes we've had in the past
few weeks with them, which I think some are good,
some are kind of just what all.
Speaker 4: The mid card women's titles changed hands, counting n XT
geez at tag team titles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then aviously we got like the men's like
the the B title now just this past week.
Speaker 3: But what are these so we have yeah, Mellow, which
I didn't believe I can get because we haven't covered
that since then.
Speaker 1: That was like the Christmas week s Bub's pitched that
for it happening like that same scenario.
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was happening. I thought they're gonna
wait on Mellow.
Speaker 1: So far, I'm happy, like he's getting good receptions, he's
getting good pops. Like, I hope he can keep building.
I really hope that he could hold on this till
Mania and he gets on the cards out, even if
it's like a multi six man or whatever.
Speaker 3: I feel like.
Speaker 4: The title always like gets gets on the card. I
feel like it's rare that it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I know, but that's what I'm hoping that they're like
serious about Melo, that maybe we can figure out because
who's meant Like with Dom Dom, you never know right,
Like he could be the thing, but he could also
be in some like multi judgment day mixed tag sort
of thing.
Speaker 3: So so maybe there's a chance where if like Dom
isn't defending the IC.
Speaker 4: Maybe Mellow. I feel like Dom would be like a
singles match, and I feel like the US title would
be that multi person match because I can see her
and like, you put Mellow and you'd put like you got,
you'd put Cardona in there. Could that's Wherecardon would He'd be.
Speaker 1: In a card put Gargano, you put you could even
put Nathan Fraser an axe and at the same time,
like as a duo you can't which also get in
with Gargano. I'm there's just lots of little developments that
happens to have gone very surprised. Sounds like Chomp is
not resigning and going elsewhere. I'm excited to see what
he can do. I just kind of thought he'd be
a lifer, but it kind of makes sense because I
feel like he's like he's where he's at, Like, I
don't think he's gonna go any further. But uh yeah, dude,
what are your thoughts on the US title picture right now?
Speaker 6: I am shocked, shocked. I tell you that they put
it on Mellow.
Speaker 2: I did not think that they would have any faith
to not only give him a title, but didn't let
him defend it multiple times. That's the other shot, Ali
is my man is getting title defenses. So yeah, it's
it's really it's really shook things up. Chelsea losing the title.
I wasn't too surprised about. I'm glad she got as
long as she did.
Speaker 3: But why do we do anything Chelsea? Do you like
Julia Chelse?
Speaker 4: Like I saw this week where it was Julia versus Alexa.
Where's the first US title match to not feature one
of Chelsea? Chelsea, Michin or soul Ruka next year has
gotten like like three different US title shots.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 1: I think in fact that Michin hasn't haven't got a
shot yet, you know, like like I mean like I
like to run with it is kind of crazy, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's been an interesting title picture. I was
surprised that they made that switch I saw with the
Chelsea one. They said that they wanted a shock title change,
but to me, Julia winning is in a shocked title
change at all, So like that was like you guys
just wanted a title change for the sake of title changes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird because I thought them going from Juliet
Chelsea was like, Okay, this isn't working. We're just gonna
go back to Chelsea. That was a fun gimmick and
we'll figure out Julia later and then just to go
right back to Julie. It's like, yeah, okay, I guess
like you said to me, it's not like a shock
title change, because like there's.
Speaker 4: No The story of the Chelsea ring was just like
a very simple story, but it didn't really work because
it was like the first time, like Chelsea wins in
like a minute by like cheating and roll up, and
then the story is like Julia just like like confronts
her and beats her down, holds up the title like
squashes Alva. They do a tag match and she pins
Chelsea and then they have the singles match for the
title and she just beats Chelsea. So it's like the
only way Chelsea one was just like through cheating and
then in every other situation, Julia just like destroyed her
and won the title back.
Speaker 3: Is Chelsea Because I haven't watched smack Down weekly.
Speaker 1: I watch it like here they are like I did
this week with three stages, like certain mattresses. She's just
getting pure like baby face reactions now, especially with this
Julia thing, because I just feel like.
Speaker 4: I feel like they're not like Julia doesn't get like
any reaction pretty unless someone that's like I think Alexa
is the only one who got like who they were,
like at least they were booing Julia when she was
like hitting Alexa. But that's like the most crowd reaction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder what we're talking about.
Speaker 4: L See, she gets like I don't really know, like
she gets face reactions a lot, but I feel like
she can get heal reactions. But I guess against like
the type of like against like the lower and like
mid card people, she's definitely get in the face three yes, because.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I know this person, I'm a cheer
for him.
Speaker 1: So on the other side, for the women's Becky, yeah,
did take the title back for Maxine.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, like I don't think this was pointless.
Speaker 1: Gonna think Maxine did grow and I think there's some
good characters stuff there from what I saw, and seems
like her matches are a bit better. It definitely just
seems like we are spinning wheels until because it's so
funny the way we booked this. They're definitely just spinning
wheels to do AJ and Becky at Mania, right, because
I remember, I think we all thought AJ and Becky
would be done by now or like Rumble. I guess
there's always a chance they could announce it, but I
don't think so. I think AJ will be in her
first ever Rumble. Were always like, man, what's Becky gonna
do with Mania? After AG It's like, oh no, that's
maybe always been the planet. It's just gonna be Becky
and AJ and I.
Speaker 3: Guess that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I guess aj Lee is now working like fucking Roman
reigns programs, where like she feuds with somebody for six
months and that's what happens, which I'm not like. That
just means like it's gonna be such a long time
before we get like AJ and Roxanne, AJ and Bailey Agent.
She like feels like each program is gonna go on
a very long time. But I guess that makes sense,
and I would assume I don't know why I need
to early predict it now, but i'd assume age it
has to be Beckett wrestling for the I just think
they want that the actual for skipping with the title, right,
So yeah, yeah. And then on raw, the USO's are
now your world Take Team champions since we've been on
U S and then also we got the women too,
s bubs, what's going on both take situations of raw?
Speaker 3: You still like we're.
Speaker 1: Getting U J Jimmy two no holds barred or you know,
and then what's going on the.
Speaker 4: We don't think so anymore. I feel like I feel
like a Mania. It's probably gonna be like I could
see it being like like like one of the Vision teams,
like I don't know which call them, or it's like
the like the the not Luca Bros. Like they'll do
they'll do the USOS versus like Penta and Dragonly and
Phoenix will just be on down with with that though.
Speaker 1: You could almost they could do like a triple or
even a four way because if Penn is already involved
with the Vision, they could make it where Usso's Luta Bros.
Or whatever vision and I have those three or one more.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to think.
Speaker 1: Of who you can always probably New Day, right, New
Day is just easy to throw in there.
Speaker 3: They like getting them on the card.
Speaker 1: So I think it's one of those scenarios where it's
yeah them just vision or it is a four way, Yeah,
we're gonna throw all these people.
Speaker 4: I'd probably see them even like just retaining it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think now that the tribal hair storyline seems
to be not happening anymore, and j Jimmy, Yeah, Jay
Usso's heel run just kind of done. I think that's
the case.
Speaker 2: They didn't want to mess up those merch sales. They're
like no, no, still yeating and he's still stand face.
Speaker 1: And I also just think that could be a bad idea,
Like I just don't know Jay whoso is a heel
right now?
Speaker 3: It's like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I could see that has like a six
month run and then like, ah, you know what, just
have them save Jimmy and.
Speaker 3: Just just turn it around.
Speaker 1: Right, So what do you do? What do you think's
gonna happen with They're all the men's side. In the
next few months here.
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna go back to the well of
them and the New Day. I mean, they're kind of
scarce on that. I don't think you're gonna have the
breakdown and split up because I don't see Jay Ussa
making a good heel. He seems like the type that
they would make him, kind of the whiny, crying, woe
is Me type heel, and that's not gonna do well.
And then they're gonna lose out on the yeats, the
T shirt sales and everything else. So it just makes
no sense at this point. So I think they're just
gonna keep on cycling through. Your normal tag teams are
going to go back and forth with the war Raiders
and with New Day, and that's just gonna be. They're
gonna be stuck in that cycle for a while unless
w W is able to sign like a new, good,
prominent tag team that they want to push.
Speaker 3: God, yeah, what's the team in New Japan there? Supposedly? Yeah, yeah,
that's not good. But oh no, he's a not good.
I'm like, well, they're not good. They're not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that's kind of mix and whatnot. So yeah,
I agree with both you guys scenarios. And then suppose
what about the women. I think we're all in agreement
that this is not to me if they were gonna
do Rio and Ea as the tag team winning the
titles and run with that, and it was like the
Mania plans that would have been the build up is
them as a team going to Mania, and that's the
big moment. The fact that they already got the big
pop here the win means they're gonna lose it on
the way there. That to me was the only scenario. Hey,
we have nothing from them do.
Speaker 4: I've seen people say where it's like if they win
it here, like this doesn't necessarily mean that they're like
defending the titles at me, Like, if they want it here,
they could still very much be in singles matches or
in a singles match against each other.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, and even if they're tag team champions,
there's like we have Sean and Sina, we have Eddie
and Ray both times, both times where the people that
were take team champs with each other first each other
wrestle me.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if there's any others.
Speaker 1: I know those are the two see different stories, but
like like even then, whether it was Rha versus EO
or them doing their own separate things, they could still
just be Women's take Champs and then like even lose
at the raw after Mania, right, like look what they
did Becky and Lyra.
Speaker 3: So yeahs are you still where is your genda?
Speaker 4: Now? On?
Speaker 3: Uh Rihanna? Where's where's your I'm doing a temperature check.
Speaker 1: You're on your percentage here if it's happening or not Mania.
Speaker 4: I'm still on that it's happening.
Speaker 3: I think, Okay, I think I think I'm right now.
Speaker 4: I honestly think the Manium match, like for Stephanie.
Speaker 3: Is live for the title or not.
Speaker 4: I could see that, I think so, But I don't
think it'd be a live winning the rumble I could see,
like I don't think, I mean it could be Women's rumble.
Speaker 1: That story all the time that she's always close, right,
would live? That's always every year. They kind of dropped
that last year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have like no clue really, Like there's like
I say, if I had to pick one, like like
you know, gut into my head, I would probably say Live,
just because I think that's the most like realistic one.
But other ones I mean they could always do. I
don't know. I feel like I have like no predictions
for the woman's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was fully on the Rea bandwagon because I
thought we're gonna Ree and Stephanie. I don't know if
we are anymore. I think it's just because like the
things I've watched of stephan McKai, there's nothing wrong with
her and the presentation it just heard.
Speaker 4: It's like that. It's like Triple H is high on Stephanie,
but like the rest of the creative people aren't. It's
like just weird.
Speaker 1: She has a charisma, she has a good look, and
she's good in the ring. I think that's just I've
said this in the discord. It feels very much like
the first time Page won the title, where it's like, Okay,
we're gonna rush her. She can one to night one,
and it was just challenge after challenger, but they kept
giving her more of like not the main tier people.
It reminds you of like when Guta at the World title,
where it's like, Okay, she's versusing Nikki Bella and Raquel.
It's like she's not beating the like top tier women
and obviously should beat EO right to get that, so
it's fine, but like it just feels like they're almost
on purpose keeping her away from them. But that almost
makes it feel like it's like a very much secondary title,
like the same as the IC. So it's just I
don't know they need I hope after this raquel thing's done,
if they do plan on doing Stephanie and Riha, they
need to give Stephanie like some sort of meaty story
because I think they're just whether it's them or Gus
Triple Ah, just maybe just saying like oh man or
with Stephanie and Reed, which I agree that has that,
but you need.
Speaker 3: A little bit more. I think that they just need
Stephanie to like evolve a bit.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if they don't do Stephanie Live at Mania,
if you could do that in the run up, and
maybe that could be actually something juicy and live could
kind of give somewhat more of a story. But liv
could win. I'm still gun in my head, I'm still
picking Ria. I'm going the most obvious rumbles this year.
I'm going Rea en Roman. I think Roaming the big Dog.
He's got it for sure. He's he's walking in at thirty,
He's throwing a couple of people up hold him up
that one getting the pyrol and that's it, Like he's
doing the.
Speaker 3: Minimal work getting that win.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just I don't know so, but yeah, what
do you think, Dave about the woman's situation right now?
Speaker 2: So in my mind I am different from both of you.
I have EO winning the Rumble and going against Stephanie
and taking that title back.
Speaker 3: Really you think they'd run the rematch and have EO
win it?
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 3: What's Ria doing a mania?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 6: I don't know yet.
Speaker 2: I haven't figured that out yet in my in my booking,
but it's it's real, Like, you know, she doesn't have
to be in a title match to still get a
massive pop, a massive entrance.
Speaker 6: Hell they might.
Speaker 2: I hope they don't do this, Please God, if you're listening,
do not do this. They they could put her in
another tag team match with with Damien Priese in Oh god,
you know they would, but just just for the entrances.
But you know, Riha doesn't have to be in a
title match. Like I love her and she's a great
contender for that, but as like, she doesn't need that
where I think they could use this as an opportunity
to run this back with Stephanie and EO.
Speaker 1: Your pitch has my mind boggle because I agree that
she doesn't need to be in the title match, but then.
Speaker 3: I'd put her with EO in that situation. You know.
That's where it's just like or like we talk about before, like.
Speaker 1: Would it be Becky and her, But if Becky has aj,
that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know why.
Speaker 1: There's just something about the thought of reo Ver's Jay
Cargo that is like screams a two.
Speaker 3: Point five Matt. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: There's there's some of me that that doesn't jive too well.
I really don't know what they're gonna do with Jade
this season, because like you could give her like I
feel like, like Alexa Charlotte, they might be in that
US title picture, and I could see them doing like
if they had to get the card. I don't think
Julie is gonna get on the card, but if they were,
like Julian and Charlotte, but like you could have Charlotte
tried to like kind of carried Jade to something bigger.
Speaker 3: I just don't know. I know they're hinting at Jade
and Gordon.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say that, like, I think for Jade
it bes Charlotte because I feel like right now and
you'd have Charlotte and obviously because I feel like you
have Charlotte at like her most liked right now, and
I think Jade probably he was disliked, So that would
be like the time to actually put the title on
Charlotte again and people would would actually cheer for it.
Speaker 1: You could do that too, and then if it like
after a couple of weeks, if people are already over it,
you could just literally have Jade win it back on
backlash or something like that, right like kind of what
they do with her and Tiffany. I feel like with
that women's one, I wonder if we're going to get
a multi one though, because I think I don't see
Alexa Blisches going somewhere, and I wonder if you could
do like a Jade Charlotte Alexa and maybe Tiffany or
Jordan Grace yeah there, because you could play at the
Alexa Charlotte like will they work together or is the
title going to screw them over? And that way too,
you could still give like if you didn't want to
pull the trigger on Charlotte. You just give Jade the
win there because I think Jordan Grace is probably gonna
be like her first defense, even.
Speaker 3: Though I really don't want that.
Speaker 1: I don't want Jordan to take another loss, and I
just want her to go over and squash Julia, not
squashed by I have a good match and win that
like that.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm hoping is the destination for those two
because they need to get Jordan web.
Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like she might challenge for
like against Jade and like lose there and then go
after the US title.
Speaker 3: And win, which I hope.
Speaker 1: So you know whether that's like a that could be
a SmackDown WrestleMania matchup right right there. Liked Julia Jordan Grace.
They're already supplexing each other in the snow and whatnot.
And you know, Jordan Grace I think, is like done
so much good work. So oh man, and then so
we get to this is shure, we're talking about titles.
So this happened on Friday. We had the three stage
of Hell, we had the normal match, we had a
false cut anywhere, and then still cage matches. They pretty
much ran back to Stone cultriple ah one which I'm
a big I'm a big homer and I love that's
one of.
Speaker 3: My fair attitude err matches. If you guys haven't seen it,
watch that.
Speaker 1: So I ran that back and somehow, finally, after all
these defenses, all these tries, Drew McIntyre is champ once
again for the first time in front of fans. Is
the w W champ Obviously won the world title for
like two minutes with the W Champ and still still.
Speaker 3: Top tier one.
Speaker 1: They did it by having Jacob to come back and
confront your McIntyre, and then they made Cody Roads look
like a complete geek who just decided to fight Jacob
while his title was on the line, and that's how
he won. And yeah, Dave, what do you think about
because also we've heard the rumors and even lots of
Scoopers still saying, hey, like Cody Roman is still the
plan for Mania as right now?
Speaker 3: Obviously things changed all the time, but how does this change? Like,
what does this change for you?
Speaker 1: Do you think there is a is this a kurd
angle edge situation where Drew gets to run with it
for a couple months and right before Mania gone?
Speaker 3: Do you think it's there's some switch up. Do you
think that doesn't happen? What do you think and how
do you feel about Drew winning the title as well.
Speaker 2: I'm happy with Drew winning it in front of people
and having a chance to tour the European countries with
it for a bit. I do think he loses it
probably at elimination Chamber and then that sets you up
for Cody Roman again. But at least, yeah, if he
gets to run with it for a little bit and
then you know, we get they'll probably be a rematch
at Roll Rumble.
Speaker 6: Let him win there again.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I want of Cody's Yeah, I man,
there's so I was so excited for this few and
they've just done it so many times.
Speaker 3: At Least get us the triple threat with him, Randy
and Cody, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Please, But I at least want him to run with
it until elimination Chamber. He can lose then and then
that sets up everything else for a WrestleMania season. But yeah,
I have no problems with him winning right now and
just having him and plus he needed like the big
win because if you look at it, like he has
these blood feuds with people and then he ends up
getting just absolutely screwed in the end, Like so with
the CM punk thing, like he loses in Hell in
a Cell. You know, he's been losing to Cody left
and right, Like he.
Speaker 1: Lost a Jay us So a couple of months ago,
and like when he was the Bloodline Hunter, you know, yeah,
but that was like a full year. I guess I
was like a year ago. It feels like that. But yeah,
still like even in that, he couldn't get that story.
Speaker 2: So just just every time like he's getting close and
he's there, you know, he he had the WrestleMania getting
cashed in on just like all these sucking moments for him.
Speaker 6: So good on him for forgetting a moment.
Speaker 3: M A S. Bubs. What do you think about Drew
in the future here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well, like I said, I don't know, I
feel like definitely this past week I had it like
Drew's definitely gonna win, but it was still cool to
see him. Actually actually, when you know, plants could have changed,
like supposedly, like the finish for this match was only
decided like a few hours before it actually happened.
Speaker 3: True, must have been sweating, man, he must have been like, oh,
they're not gonna give it to me. I can just
feel it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm definitely interested in where they go. Obviously,
changing the main WA title like before Mania is like
pretty rare like in recent times, I'd say, and uh,
I'm interested in how long or short his run is
gonna be because so far he's definitely gonna retain at
the Rumble. I feel like then the next pl he
would already be elimination Chamber if it were. If it
were up to me, if he has to lose the
title at the Chamber, I would do it like in
the actual match.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I got double teamed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, That's how I would do if he has to
to lose it there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess Chamber the City one Chicago.
Speaker 4: That's why I think I feel like Punk would probably
maine over the If you he's the World Evyweight champion,
he might maine over the actual chamber match because Ria
in Australia may invented over the.
Speaker 1: The yeah, which he could still be doing a title
defense too, right, Yeah, And I think that probably works
better than like because in my opinion, I agree, I
think the I think the route we're going is Roman's
winning the Rumble and Cody's getting that title back. And
I think because at first I was like, oh, are
they really gonna change his back?
Speaker 3: But I thought the history I thought about Edge. I
thought Angle.
Speaker 1: I'm like, right, there's such a history of just like oh,
last month, here's the WrestleMania match.
Speaker 3: Here you go. I say, oh, okay, they've done this before.
Speaker 4: I just thought they I mean even like the like
the Rock and Austin, Like when Austin wins the Rumble
of Rock then wins Angle.
Speaker 3: What I was talking about, Yeah, because Angle held it
from Do you Want the Virus Series day? But I think, right,
Angle in two.
Speaker 1: And one, Yeah, and then like he just lost it
like three weeks before they're like, yeah, we're so we're Angle,
You've been working on and then he lost to or no, he.
Speaker 3: Did beat Ben Watt Wrestleming.
Speaker 1: But yes, there is a history of them doing that
to make it more exciting. I just thought, I guess
in my mind, I thought, Okay, if it's gonna be
Cody Roman for the time, they'd want Cody have like
a longer run.
Speaker 3: And then I heard.
Speaker 1: The idea of oh what it's non title, And I
actually still don't mind that I've seen like a boo
and other people push back like it's definitely not non title,
but like I wouldn't mind just Cody Roman's like, this
is more about the title. This isn't about the title,
isn't about the companies, Like we just don't like each
other and we're gonna.
Speaker 3: See who's the better man.
Speaker 1: And I also thought, for some reason, Cody be like
more fun to lose that way, because I feel like
with the title with Cody' say, well, I need to
be you know, I need to have that over roaming
because that's their big relationship thing. But uh, I don't know,
so I'm just gonna assume that's still for the title.
I'm still also gonna assume that anything can change. I
know there was a report by Bonnie Slam today like, oh,
all the matches are penciled in, But again, around this
time last year, we saw that fucking board and those
matches were penciled in, like Jaye versus Charlotte, and.
Speaker 4: Uh it was just probably Slam is like I get
body Slam like a be tier.
Speaker 3: There be tis plus, yes, they get a lot of.
Speaker 4: Stuff right, but then there's definitely stuff that they get
wrong and then don't engine get but they talk about it.
Speaker 1: Like my perfect scenario would be, they like, I don't
know why they still can't do it, especially with Braun.
We talked about weeks when it did happen. I'm gonna
be so fucking annoyed if Braun just beats against the
rumber Mania, I just yeah, yeah, the spear up. But
like in my perfect world will be like Seth versus Braun,
Punk and Cody and Roman and Drew.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's happening. I don't think Roman like
it sounds bad.
Speaker 1: I don't think Roman views Drew as like a WrestleMania
main event matchup guy. Like as much as he might
not like Cody, I think he's still like, well, yeah we.
Speaker 4: Can definitely last year. Yeah, I'll put into Seth versus Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing where it's just it's intricing what's
gonna happen. I think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: I think with it being Chicago, because to me, Cody
winning that belt back from Drew could get some booze
in Chicago. But if he's not last, it's not as bad.
Speaker 1: Like you can even put that middle of the car
to get the ladies open up and then Punk going
on last.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we'll see. I'm happy for Drew just to
finally get it.
Speaker 1: Does it feel like a little late, like people have
used a here damn habit thing?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, it does.
Speaker 1: It feels like this should have even rest of Palooza
felt like it was late and it didn't happen. Then
I know they pitched it so good on them, and
I think it should have been. I think it could
have given Drew a little bit longer run, made it
more unpredictable. But the match itself was really good. I
think us in the desk cord it was their best
one they've had, and I wish they spam this match more.
I love three stages of hell. Is it predictable that
they're gonna go one on one? Sure, but like I
like the scenario. It's always okay who wins.
Speaker 4: Which is especially if like the third step is like
something big, like the cage is there, like they're not
not gonna use.
Speaker 1: It, or like when my first strip sewn, Michael's held.
So the last stage was a TLC match, It's like,
what's Trivit's do it in a TLC match, But like
he won the match like that's I like the.
Speaker 4: Three the wildest one is like the Sina Ryevac one
because the three steps are like it's something wild. It's
like lumber jack ambulazed something like that.
Speaker 3: I forgot who's doing a lumberjack in a three stages of.
Speaker 4: Hell like it? Man, you know, flying off the flying
off the post ontil like one hundred people on the outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had a lumberjack match, a tables match, and
it ended with an ambulance match. I mean, like this
is the who starts out, you know what's gonna be
the feud end or a lumberjack match.
Speaker 1: That's because I fucking knew Ryback couldn't work three Stages
of Hell, so like they can't even do a normal
match for him because like, oh, gimmick match, gimmick back,
give it. But I would I'd be fine if they
did more three stage hell. And the first match wasn't
even a normal wrestling match, Like would I recommend a lumberjack, No,
but anything else, Like I I've loved that match, and
with like a four point twenty five I would have
been at four point five. I did not like the
Jacob finish. I get the idea of it. I just
I just wish that he laid Cody out instead of
Cody literally trade blows with him while he's in the
middle of w Champions And even though why is Cody
so mad? Why He's like, hey, buddy, why are you
in my Like I don't know, just.
Speaker 2: Like geat cage and deal that after, you know, like, yeah,
four out of the seven U three Station Hell have
ended in a still cage. Yeah most two four of
them have had a street fight as the middle, and
all but two of them have started off with the
standard match.
Speaker 3: Okay, and even Sewan started.
Speaker 2: With the street fight and had the steel cage second
and ended with the ladder.
Speaker 1: I got to go back there as I apologist for
the Shawn Trabla shoes. I go back that sounds like
a that sounds like trays enjoying that. I don't care
listen to this Shawn Michael's Triple H oh four Hell
in the cell.
Speaker 3: Fucking love that match. I know people dogs on that
match all the time. I love when they're just like,
we're gonna go out there and take it out an
hour fifteen. That's why Triple H likes Roman. You know,
He's like, oh, I get it. I used to do
the same thing.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, and the Gargano versus coal like
three stages of how which isn't really called out. Their
last one was a barbed wire steel cage.
Speaker 1: Geez, let's do this once a year or once every
two years. Let's get let's get wild on these. So
but yeah, so yeah, we think, because what is it
right now? The pairings, I know, we're super weird. It's
like Samy and Ila and then I don't know who
did this one. Matt Cardona versus Trick. Now, listen, I
think that has approved a lot. That just feels like that.
I feel like they are early on, like we're gonna
test Trick and say, like we're putting a Phoenix, put
him a Cardona, We're gonna put a Randy so Randy
can tell some good He's like, maybe that's the idea,
but I just like that.
Speaker 3: Is a.
Speaker 4: He's losing right away. Man.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: I was like, he's at least gonna make it to
the four right, And I saw the graphic was him
and Trick. I'm like, oh, well, I guess Matt's losing that.
It's like, can't let me in the four way like yikes,
and then who else? It's Prieston who.
Speaker 4: I actually did much like Gunther and Solo this.
Speaker 3: It should be good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just laugh at Solo just what they're doing in
that days and I'm missing the other one too. What's
the other one?
Speaker 4: Rand?
Speaker 3: Oh god, my god?
Speaker 1: What are we doing with Miz here in the main time?
Like why aren't they just streamlined him and Mellow just
do a one month us feud?
Speaker 3: You know they had that story. They just kind of
dropped it.
Speaker 1: Yikes, Like even though you couldn't have Cardona beat the
Miz and have it like, well no, because we know
you can't.
Speaker 3: As much as I love that, I guess qualifying match.
Speaker 1: Like we will talk about now, like the NXT calls
and the signs went up, but like Cardona very happy
got signed. He's there his wife. I hope it goes
well for him. I still think they're gonna always look
at him as like a very mid card guy. And
the fact that he is just gonna lose the Trick
right away. I think the shows that. But it makes
sense right like that that four of Ila, Randy, Sammy
and Trick like I can't in good conscience, say you
could put Cardona over any of them, right.
Speaker 3: Like it's it's tough, you know, it's tough.
Speaker 1: So uh but yeah, I think we're all in agreement
that we think Sammy is gonna happen, right Sammy, Yeah, yeah, challenges.
Speaker 4: I could even see him, Like, I don't think he'd
win the Rumble, but like if he lost to Drew
and was also in the Rumble as like, oh this
is my this is his last chance to win.
Speaker 3: Would he win it though? Because they're in Rion?
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Right now, that's what I think.
Speaker 1: So yeah, hunter Iggy asked us if what if a
for a match of Drew versus Oba versus Jacob versus
Cody won r P to Cody because he's taken a
lot of.
Speaker 3: Pumps in that. Oh man, I'd be down for it.
Speaker 1: I I really wish that the the Cody Roman thing
was non title I pitched in the discord. I would
love it if you just had Oba won the fucking
Rumble and it's Oba versus Drew Mania. They already set
that up a little bit, so I don't think you'd
get that four way from now or until Mania. But uh, Yeah,
Oba is getting called up and he's supposed to be raw.
I said that tune the discord just fe like that's
kind of counterproductor And.
Speaker 4: I have to see if that was a body slammer
on because he and Flightful talked about the the j
C and Blake right like that's it's been discussed, but
like not happening like right away, not like the like
Jordan or stuff like that.
Speaker 3: To me, you can't have Oba and Bron the same
brand right now. That should be like seeing them rock.
Speaker 1: They should be kept away from each other because it's
gonna be similar builds, right, They're gonna be monsters that
go through people and eventually get that title.
Speaker 3: And I would hope going like a good run. So
I feel like Obon raw I guess unless they want
to run, Oba's.
Speaker 1: A baby's even too, Like do you want Oba and
Javon to like bump back into each other right now?
Like I feel like Obon SmackDown is the way to
go have him go through some people.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I think Fightful did. Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I can't someone I thought someone said they had big
plant mania plans for Oba.
Speaker 3: I thought that was Fightful but that was like, like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was fightful, and sn Ross Sap
like himself said that like he vacated the title because yeah,
they have big plans for for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just like, so if Oba, let's say
they do just do Cody and Roman title, what is
the big plans for OBD You guys gotta bey pitches
for men.
Speaker 4: Just it's Brock or something like that's doing like Seth
or Punk. Then who is Brock facing? And I don't
think he's fighting Goonther until the last.
Speaker 3: Match till Summer Slam. Okay, it's a.
Speaker 4: Big match for Ova where he can't have lost anything
before going into it. Says like that's the Bronco.
Speaker 3: Does he go over and Brock too?
Speaker 4: I feel like if he If he did, then the
last story for Brock would be like, oh, he lost
the radio, like he has to win his last match
against goon the.
Speaker 3: Gonna run with that ship look to that.
Speaker 4: I would mean if it meant like he lost the
O'd be fine of them doing that story.
Speaker 1: So I'm fine with broccol every put him in there
with fucking Otis and have Brock job out.
Speaker 3: I don't need to Brock being anybody, but okay.
Speaker 2: You know how they're gonna do it. If if Oba
beats Brock, then they're gonna spend the next three weeks
with Brock absolutely destroying people left and right for like
bringing a Sina back that they're gonna You're just gonna
see him just running rampage, is angry on a rampage
Brock to prove that he's steal the beasts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he'll beat some guy at backlash or like
before summer.
Speaker 4: I feel like if they're doing Brock and they're definitely
gonna do the OVA hits, the like the f ten
on him where he like fully throws them out.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see Brock take that bump.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I will it's something I
won't believe that I see because that's something where we're like, oh,
the finish for Drew and Cody was hours before. It's
as much as I love the stuff he's done, I
can dislike as well too. Paul Hayman being back there
always fucking scares me, and I is Paul gonna get
and other Paul's hena be like, well does need to win?
Yet you know, like that's like just worry and like,
I will not believe Oba was gonna win until the
three count happens, because I could see them being like, well,
we want to keep them strong for Summer Slam or
his last match of GOOT or so we don't want
to lose. Like I think what they would do is
Oba louse. He gets like really close, and but somehow
Bron just hits like a last minute F five and
gets them.
Speaker 3: Like I I I would prefer yeah, Oba Brock. I
think that is big. You can build that up Oba
again the wind. That's good.
Speaker 1: I just I worry that Paul Hayman will have other
ideas unless he really likes Oba, because if he likes
a guy, then he'll have his guys put over those
other guys, right.
Speaker 4: So I don't think he's really hurt anything in particular.
But I cause sometimes you get reports of like, oh,
Paul Hayman loves Austin theory or whatever, but I don't
think I've heard anything specifically regarding.
Speaker 3: Loves Austin theory. I can't. My god, God, I I
guess I forgot. We got that revealed some sweeping back.
Speaker 4: And you know last time when his first the singles
that he just like.
Speaker 3: To me this last time, this is this is this
is it and something. It's not creative. But what about you, dude,
do you agree with Brock.
Speaker 1: Or you got someone else for Oba to come wrestleman.
If he's got big plans Andre Giant.
Speaker 6: Battle Royal, he just clears house on a random SmackDown
and that that's it.
Speaker 3: Standing there, they make the shortest Andre battery ever. Five minutes.
Speaker 1: He just eliminates everybody and put a bunch of geeks
and jobbers in there, like put it in your Austin theories,
putting kit Willson just have oh but just yeah, five
minutes straight, win the Battle Royal.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 6: And then he comes down.
Speaker 4: Yes, if he didn't do it lastly and actually had
a match on me like this literalud be like he
has the match with like Brock announced that Mania, he's
not announced for the Battle Royal. He comes out for
the Battle Royal, throws out everyone who wins it, and
then still has the match the next day.
Speaker 3: That see you.
Speaker 1: But if that happens and I'm where he's losing a
bron because Paul's like, well what if we give him this?
And then and then he takes that five to Brock
and then he's losing it.
Speaker 2: So it's the consolation prize because he knows he's going
to lose the bron Yeah, but no, Rock would be
the match for me. I would I would want to
see them, and especially if Brock is interested in it,
because you know, there's two versions of a Brock match,
just the Brock actually gives a damn versus he doesn't.
And if he actually cares, Oh man, that's gonna be
a good match.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Give him a big guy like like, oh, I
feel like there's just like, look at this guy, like
he likes the what's his name when.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, big boy, but he didn't like bron Stroman.
So that's what you never know.
Speaker 1: Just because you're big doesn't mean Brock right down a
legit shoot punch Braun in the middle of that.
Speaker 3: So like that's where it's like it's Oma gonna do
one wrong move and like that's it. You dropped me
on my head, Like yeah, I don't know so, but yeah,
we'll see what happens with Oba. So he got called up.
We got Javon and called up with feel like I'm
just trying.
Speaker 4: To think what I feel like what his next. I
think he's gonna beat Dom for the Icy title.
Speaker 3: Really not Jericho, eh.
Speaker 6: On to Jericho?
Speaker 3: Why too? Why Javon? Yeah, sir, you remind me of
me the lions, Like he's teaching the lion salt. We
get all these backstage vignettes and then uh, with a.
Speaker 4: Lion salt, he would like clear the other side of
the ring.
Speaker 3: He to two in a row. He didn't do like
the double lion salt. So do you think that would
be before or at Mania Javon and Dom?
Speaker 4: I feel like that could be a mania man.
Speaker 1: I would love that if they could give Javon that
him and Dom and then and luckily Javon's like like,
well nothing has a.
Speaker 3: Different type of Christmas.
Speaker 1: The crowd won't turn him because like the rest made,
the crowd is gonna always like you got to.
Speaker 4: Put the the JD out with there with with Dom
to have like to do the spot like you know
he's gonna throw down outside the ring, you know JD
and a bunch of people out there hugging Dom. He
does the dive on all them.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, would craze for Dom last year.
Speaker 1: So that's where you gotta be cute you don't want
that scenario where Javon's winning the title, he's getting booed
at the building, and that to me would be like, oh,
now you're coming from the like so yeah, you have
to put the right pairing there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would like that. I hope that happens.
Speaker 1: I also worry Jivon could just get thrown in a
Battle Royal if they do like Dominic and Jericho.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I do think that is a heavy possible.
I know we've joked about for months, but like Jericho's
not there. He wasn't the raw. There's ish there.
Speaker 1: It's like if he's gonna be the rumble because it
sounds almost like he's a green two w.
Speaker 4: CO rumors the TNN, like there's the TNA rumors are
actually building from, Like like I listened to one DNA
related podcast who like actually knows like people in and
he said he hadn't specifically hurt anything, but like when
there's rumors like that, like about TNA, like there's a
chance that like he's on this debut show.
Speaker 3: Oh god, that's not that.
Speaker 4: It's like he'd be like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I still think in that case, then
to me, if I was a business person. I'd still
Jericho return on WTV and then announce he'll be on
the special like they did with aj Right, when is
that TEENA thing?
Speaker 3: Is it in February? Is this week the Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, So I guess that wouldn't happen unless Jericho's
on tomorrow. Oh boy, Okay, So I'm fifty to fifty
on Jericho being on the.
Speaker 5: Debut because it's just like, yeah, I guess either, yeah
he does, but he does the reverse of a w
like what they did with Callous and with Omega.
Speaker 2: He comes out, he hits somebody with the codebreaker. Then
he says, see you one raw.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: He takes off his mask, and what what Luchador does
ten A have right now? That he could dress up
as you get anybody with a mask right.
Speaker 4: Now, not really anything or like a classic TA mask like.
Speaker 3: It was suicide suicide, Oh suicides? Here, my god, I'm looking.
I don't see any masks fellows yet.
Speaker 4: Lies he's dressed like, uh, what's like Carlos Silva, He's
got the the TNA cav on.
Speaker 1: Oh god, he could dress on. Doesn't Leon Slater have
a mass gimmick? When he makes his entrance, right, does
he could do that? Put Leon Slater over. Okay, so
there's the hometown Man. Apparently if people don't know who
this is, because I had no idea who this was,
this is who Jericho could dress up as for the interference.
Speaker 3: He dress up as the hometown Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the hometown Man. His gimmick is that every every
time he wrestles a match, he has the jersey of
whatever town there is, so it's babyface.
Speaker 1: He'll see it though, because he'll see it. Would wear
the Rivals. In three he would wear the Rivals jerseys.
So if he was like in Chicago, we wear like
the Packers jersey.
Speaker 3: Or something like that.
Speaker 4: That's the nothing with hometown Man too, is like you
think he'd be a jobber, but like he just randomly
like beats important people.
Speaker 3: Okay, Like like that's holy mass. Wrests are on teenage
so that's I.
Speaker 4: Could actually see that because they for some reason just
love the hometown Man, like he's on these shows so often.
That would be like that'd be the.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Jerico's got the tattooed arms, so I mean he
can pull it off.
Speaker 3: There you go that we'll look out for that. That's
a scoop right there. I told you, what about you, dude,
what do you see uh javon new next few months here?
I think you'll have a good Rumble showing too. I
bet they'll give him something like a good twenty minute
run or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's gonna be putting, uh putting the
boots to Matt Cardona in the mizz running ragged over
that mid card and then yeah, I think he's gonna
have a great showing at the Rumble. Like I would
love to see him just be the new version of
KOFE where he's just doing the spots and having those
moments and you.
Speaker 3: Know, get them to let him get to like final
eight or final six, you know, like maybe not final four.
They might think that's too soon, but like it's always
good when they like led a rookie. Like I love
when they had uh Roxanne get her run last year, right,
Like that was good. I didn't agree with her being
in the final two because everyone just knew, okay, Shark's
throwing her over.
Speaker 1: There's no chance rocks Anne, But like, like the run
they gave her was really good. So I love if
Jayvon could do that, like final six to three you
know somewhere in there. So yeah, yeah, and then finally,
even though it doesn't work out for me anymore, Joran
Grace officially un smacked, and we talked about some Yeah,
I guess we already talked about some. I'm just very
excited she's actually called up. I think she should have
been called up like six months and I think she's underrated.
Speaker 4: That looks like Corey Hayes was like, because he reported
it like eight months ago. It was like, yeah, I
was supposed to be like eight months ago. Just gut
getting delayed.
Speaker 3: Feels like that. But I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: I think obviously we've talked about like yeah, us title
picture of that, but I think in a couple of
years she's gonna be she could be in those manium
like Mania world title matches, whether bay Face or heel.
Speaker 3: I think she's she's got a lot of tools. I
think once the main audiences are wrestled too, man, she's
she's really good. So I'm excited for that. Is there
any other culps we missed Tim talked about.
Speaker 4: We did. I guess we talked about Trick a little
bit already.
Speaker 1: All right, Trick, Yeah, I think he's had a good
couple of weeks. He's like that pro well, Randy was good.
I think again they put him with the right people,
Rey can make him look good. Cardona is going to
be a challenge just because I think the styles are
very similar. I think Randy is someone who could learn
from and Trick.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's like a if they do a
multimn us title Mania, that's where he would be and
they could play at the mellow in him history right.
Speaker 4: So but yeah, so far other college we talked about,
we did okay, so we did Trick, Javan, Oh, Jordan.
I guess we could kind of talk about like the
rumored ones they are supposedly not happening at least right away,
which were what's Blake Morrow and JCJ, And there was
also Lolavice was also supported by body Sign but that
won't Fightful didn't say anything about.
Speaker 1: She's been talked about for a while, Like I feel
like we've heard that few times, and I think I
know there was this idea that apparently h wanted like
Rodby the women's show and knacked only the tag team show.
But like, doesn't mean you can't just let the women's
roster just drown. You can't just have the same five
people go through and through. So it's like Jordan being
there is good there, Low would be good there, Blake
would be fantastic there, Jasey's and the one should have
been called it a long time. I think she could
kind of go either or I don't really have a
preference there, But yeah, I don't know what's gonnappen because
obviously got this weird NXT North American Shenanigans going on,
and I don't know, it was a weird situation, but
I Blake's like.
Speaker 4: I feel like half like a like an after Mania
call up, because that's the word that she's supposedly not
going right away because they have a match, Like she
has a match on stand and deliver is okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that, and some of you like,
this is a woman who is I saw multiple lists
of being in people's top tens match the year, right,
It's like she's ready for the She's someone you could
argue that other than if they want to just get
her eyes on her likent need to go to NXT.
Speaker 3: They like doing that obviously, But yeah, j C was
like Jason.
Speaker 1: Should have been up there a long time, and I
think I don't know why. I feel like I just
picture her on RAW right now. I think she mixes
better with some of those characters on there. I could
be wrong, but I hope, I hope they both happened.
N He's got enough people there in the ball they
can fill it.
Speaker 4: So, Yeah, it's definitely interesting. Like it's a very much
like a like a new era of at Next to
You now with so many calls. I mean, that's how
they the show ended was like like after the OVA match,
like before he vacated. It was like a match stage,
sitting with Ava talking to like all the evolved and
like people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ruthless aggression, that's sort of yeah. And yeah they
got Kindel Gray ever just run shop over there, Ken
will Gray. Yeah, start a bunch of money.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he offer ten times once she's getting paid on
her AW He said if she went to AW right now,
she'd be a top three best wrestler in the company,
and that if she has no his, if she gets
no injuries or anything like that, she's already gonna be
the greatest women's wrestler in the history of day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he fucking loves her.
Speaker 1: I'll say a bit way too much because like that
like like I'm not saying she's not good from what
I saw she's but just like.
Speaker 3: She's so far like best three of all time. It's
like that's that's just way to second. That's goind of
the big lights and stuff. I feel like they know
what they have, I think because she's in that system.
Like I think that's why Dave said that you'd have
to offer some crazy amount like ten times. But at
the same time, it's like, I think this is.
Speaker 1: The right pairing for Kendall Gray right now, Like I
love a w the top of before it's been nice.
We've had two aw pay reviews now with three women's matches,
so we're starting it there. But we still also not
have a single terry pay per view main event of show,
right So unless she is just fully money operated, I
don't think Tony Kahan would like.
Speaker 3: Because also it's just like Dave, he's going over there,
he's right now, But no, like that's where she could
just run shopping XST for a while, you know, just
give it to her, let her break Oscar's record, just
have her run for three years as a CHAMPI you know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I could see her winning the title like
as soon as well, because because what they've set up,
like the next NXT Women's title challenger is probably gonna
be Soul Ruka. I don't know if she would win that, like,
especially because I feel like would get called up soon. Yeah.
So I feel like Jac like beats Soul with like
because because she beat Kendall, like she pretty much had
the match one and like through through fatal influence cheating,
she she was able to beat Kendall and it was like, oh,
she like barely survived. So I feel like if she
barely survives against like Soul, then you could do like
j C and Kendall like at Standard Deliver and then
jac loses there gets called up afterwards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Souls kind of like Javon where it's like
you didn't get that next to ty Run in retrospect,
they should have had Javon beat Olb instead of Ricky
Oba went up and then Javon eventually goes up. That again,
it just sounds like they change plans on them all
the time. But I guess that's just a question of yeah,
it's the plants name that happens. Bazaari, you know, does
she stay down, well Zola goes up.
Speaker 3: I really don't know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's definitely it's definitely gonna be interesting for
NXT to see what they do with so many people
having left.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing. Like the next three things
are like like you have signings, people that have expired contracts.
Speaker 4: You have people and they're doing Yeah, they just announced
like like they're doing a tryout like I think in
a few either next week or in a few weeks,
with like a bunch of indie wrestlers, like they'll like
some talked about ones like well, one of the people
were talking about is this I forget her exact name,
it's like nor Phoenix something, but she wrestled the Mercedes
Money a few months back at a indie show and
was also at the Bailey Loadstone camp and now she
has a tryout. So it's definitely a like got some
good word put in there.
Speaker 3: That Mercedes fed's.
Speaker 4: Soldier thing, if you were saying, Mercedes I D doing
better work than.
Speaker 3: The w.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think W I D is gonna like go
away in the next couple of years. I don't see
it being around too much longer.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, uh, anything else big why is that we
haven't hit.
Speaker 4: On on probably kind of talked about the Rumble winners
a little bit.
Speaker 1: Uh Yeah, I'm I'm Roman Ria. I'm just gonna stay
say if it's those due, that's you two, David.
Speaker 2: I think Roman is everyone's male pick. Yeah, I'm Roman.
Speaker 3: Eo Romeo Okay. And then I suppose if.
Speaker 4: I have to lock one in, I'm just gonna say.
I think I'm gonna say Braun and Live.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind that. That'd be like two first time winners.
That'd be good. I think Live is I know you
said you don't. I could see women.
Speaker 4: I'm super like you could could if you had a
good argument, you could convince you on like five different people.
But if I had to pick one right now, I'd
say Live.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Live, I think is a top five maybe top.
Speaker 4: Three every single Rumble and has won one.
Speaker 1: So yes, and not last year, but the two years
before she was the runner up. Both times she was
like the Iron Woman and one of them too, so
like she has a big history and they would do.
That's why I thought she could have maybe won last year.
And I thought we were maybe from Rihea again because
they keep hyping up. Oh she's always second last.
Speaker 3: So no, I think it's possible.
Speaker 4: But uh, also, I guess right. I thought Cody's definitely
gonna be in the rumble in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so unless they're running back the title match,
if they run back the title match separately, or if they.
Speaker 4: Do defending the title against the winner of that whole
mini tournament thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but they could do a triple throw him.
Speaker 3: They could Cod Cody. Could we plan in there somehow?
And Sam is like, yeah, but I would see.
Speaker 4: I think it would be more value for the first saud.
You'd be like, we want we want Cody, we want Roman,
we want all these people in the roombo match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just shutting the.
Speaker 4: Throwing each other out. Bron wins by default.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could do that.
Speaker 1: I just shut the thought of Roman throwing Cody out
and then also being a Mania just dog walking them
the season, like I just I just always like, no,
don't worry, I'll give you the win at MANI and
then it comes time to it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, you could get the stare down too
between Cody and Roman.
Speaker 1: I think they'll happen. I would they wouldn't because Rome's
gonna be a thirty. I love number one and number
two to be Cody and Roman. I would I would
pop so hard because imagine, like the whole Rumble story is,
these guys are trying to desperately get that title back
and they're both in the way. And then like say,
if they do lose and Broun gets it, that's like
a I know they kind of did that with Punk,
Seth and Roman last year, but I'd love there one
and two to do that.
Speaker 4: But no they want I mean, what would the final
four in this scenario would be. I feel like it'd
be like Roman or not. If I feel like Roman
being there, I feel like Gunther would probably be in there.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, I feel like Roman, Cody, Broun, Gunther is
the four.
Speaker 3: That's how I would think. Yeah, because two baby faces,
two heels, you got a mixture of old whatnot.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think there's anybody else in there, Like
if Sets a surprise return for some reason, then maybe yeah,
you could get them in there.
Speaker 3: I still think you.
Speaker 1: Hold off to Steph till after Mania, but also I
don't know his status. Yeah, I'm trying to if anybody
else is there.
Speaker 4: I feel like Ilia will have a good run in
the Rumbles. So I don't know, I feel I just
feel it and we'll probably staying on with Gum as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah that'd be good. Yeah, it was always a chance
to be in the top four as well too, you
can have him in.
Speaker 4: There, so yeah, I feel like Brock. Brock always gets
thrown out quickly in these yea the final four. Yeah
he comes in, he's thrown out in like thirty seconds,
like lastly, like oh yeah a few years ago or.
Speaker 1: So terrible the wyaots one time just chucked him out
without again, never Paul anything. The plan was Brave versus Brock,
and then it was Brock's not feeling it and it's
like why everyone loves bre Brock's.
Speaker 3: Not feeling And then he got Ambrose who then also
Brocks like, oh he's not feeling this either.
Speaker 1: So I think Brock was just in a pissy mood
that season because I like they both have different stories
that that went down. I think Paul Eyman tried to
attribute to like Box He's like worth epic and Ambrose
was like he doesn't want do anything.
Speaker 3: He's like what about this? What this? Like nah, well
what about this?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, like it just like
they just did not get along at all whatsoever. And
it sucked because I was like, that was one of
my most excited matches that year, was like Ambrose and Brock.
I thought, all that could steal the show and all
it's like a solid like three point twenty five or something.
Speaker 3: It's it's very medio.
Speaker 1: So, uh, well, speaking of mister mox lea you can transition,
aw because we're gonna go over old world.
Speaker 3: Then it's just the big stuff and things that happened.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess the death Writers have not broken up.
And we're sitting here talking about John Moxley won the
Continent Classic in a time where I think everyone was
booking him to do very poorly to enhance that story.
But I guess it has come out that Moxley said
that they kind of do plan to do a death
writer's breakup, but they don't want to do it in
a conventual like they just turn on beat them down.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I think, uh, there's a good track record for very
good and bad ideas for mox and unconventional stuff. So
we'll see what happens, but uh he won. And I
liked most of the matches. I think Woxley o caught.
It was the lowest tier one. I just am very confused, Like, okay, cool,
I some got to watch Benjamin of Mox. I heard
that was actually a really good match. Just I'm one
dynamite behind, so like, I know, Moxy's your ace, he
can get a pop, he can work in matches with people.
Speaker 3: I just am.
Speaker 1: We talked about this in discord and it's been a while,
but it's just like I still am just very confused
why they did.
Speaker 3: Taqusha and Okada in this fashion and Okada got the
win like it was. It was a very world's end. Overall,
I thought it was actually a really good show.
Speaker 1: It was some of the decisions of the booking that
made me questioning more of the end result, like of
that we talked about before, like MGF winning it's like,
well wide and hang in, just keep it the whole
time to the same match, but uh yeah, I guess
Moxy Como classic and they're in this weird place where
the death writers are working as heels lower down the card,
but then Moxley is just wrestling heels and like he's
like a pseudo baby face.
Speaker 4: Like I that's writers of Melvin feuding with the conglomeration
for like four months.
Speaker 1: Other than when I get to see Marina and Roddy
do spots together. I have no interest in the conglomeration.
Speaker 3: I do not like it.
Speaker 1: I don't like a stable of losers. I didn't like
the job squad back in the day, which was fine,
It's like that was more of a joke. But yeah, Dan,
what do you take from because I don't think any
of us picked Max and when we did our prediction show,
I don't think an of us picked Moxley win whole thing.
So what do you think about this? And what do
you what do you see like Moxley doing with the
Condo Classic Oca wins? So now we have god because
what is Okada has? The international?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: International?
Speaker 1: We got Mark Briscoll with the TNT, we got Max
with Conno Classic, you got Ricochet with a stupid what
is it?
Speaker 3: The National Championship? We get the main title. So again
we got a bunch of titles around. So yeah, what's
going on with Max?
Speaker 1: And we're you surprised by the falling out and some
of the matches from worlds End on the condona classic side.
Speaker 6: I was surprised for him winning at all. I don't
know where they're going next.
Speaker 2: Like I thought that maybe he would suffer another loss
and then that was going to lead to the eventual life.
I didn't think it was gonna be one of those
beat down, we kick you out type of deals. But
I did think it was going to be more of
a where usurping your authority type deal. Claudio's in charge
now and then you just see Moxley take a break
and you don't see him for a while, and then
he just randomly shows back up, you know, opposite of them.
I thought they would pull one of those maneuvers, because
I mean, the Death the whole group has been weird,
even from before they were the Death Riders, when it
was the black Pool Combat Club, Like when you had
one minute their heels, the next minute their faces. Then
you have a team when Brian's wrestling as a face
and mox is the heel over here.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, Regal's helping MGF randomly because
like he I know he went to but it was
a more stupid storyline reason of like yeah, oh, I
can't even remember what the reason he gets he turned
on Moxley and then like Brian was like, oh, let
him go and don't kill him. But it was like
some of the most dumb stuff like why would Regal
help like his last time made no sense from Oxley,
just like to win the title back like like eight
months or so.
Speaker 6: So I don't like this.
Speaker 2: Group just has such an up and down identity that
it's so hard to figure out, like what they're end
game is going to be. So when I thought Max
was losing and that was just going to be his
way out of it all, I was okay with that.
Now I don't see where they're going, and I don't
think they know where they're going. I know that there
is any game to break them up, but I don't
think they figured out what their endgame is to break
them up.
Speaker 4: It's like the Rock. If you ask Moxley, he'd like,
you know, shut up and enjoy the ride.
Speaker 3: Moxcuse I feel like Moxley is going to pull the
trigger when he thinks it's right. And granted the the
Moxley hangman thing, like they all in and end up
working out.
Speaker 1: And I said this before, we're like if Tony Kahn
lets some deuces, I think that Moxley's pretty much a lifer,
and I think he is.
Speaker 3: Most people even know boost like, oh, Moxley has no intention.
Speaker 1: Going back to WB, but I still thought, like, eh,
if this isn't go Moxley's way, he'll start looking what
TKO has offer, like money wise, like he'll sniff over there.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I think Moxley is like and because of all in working,
everyone forgets like those first two and a half months
of the earlier this year of the Deaf Writers and
like how everyone's like this sucks is hurting AWTV. So
I think because that worked out, though Tony CON's all
like okay, trust you, John do whatever, and it's like, okay,
I I hope this we're going and I guess it's fun.
It's just a Condle classic, but it's just like, again,
we have a fucking another title running around and I
don't know, like they they felt like they didn't even
revisit claudiall beat him in the tournament that.
Speaker 3: Hasn't even been mentioned, you know, So.
Speaker 4: It's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey us your king though you're always talking about
Moxley and what do you think about Moxley winning this
and what's uh, what's What's I mean?
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I thought I thought like like people
were like there's some people who predicted like how the
Mocks versus Okada match was gonna go. So when sting
started happening, I started like like them turning the referee
around and like double low blowing each other. I was like,
I can tell people were gonna be mad at this match,
but I was enjoying it, and uh, yeah, I'm curious.
And when this goes like you said, it's weird, that's
like kind of doing two things like completely differently, like
when you're looking at mox and then the rest of
the Death Riders. So it's kind of feels like if
mox is just like doing his own thing, all the
rest of the Death Riders are doing this stuff. I
don't really know, like, yeah, what the end point for
this exactly?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 3: Like I wonder because like if everything builds all out,
like I'm just trying to think, like because all else
what eight are all in? Are all in?
Speaker 4: Was that a?
Speaker 3: It's all?
Speaker 4: When?
Speaker 3: When is that now? Not April manias A? Is that
that's like as okay? So that's a long time. Even
though if you were to tell me like, oh, Max
is gonna hold this titles all in, I would yes,
that's a long time.
Speaker 1: So I feel I feel like Moxley is gonna have
a big match, like honestly, but I feel like he's
gonna have like something of note. I don't know what
they could do if that's like the death writers breakup
fuck at this point, just making him versus Marina, you know,
like I'd be down for her to lead.
Speaker 3: And then happened, but uh yeah, I don't know. It's
it's odd. I just it just feels like they like, Okay,
well we don't know what we're doing all honestly, they're
not bringing the riders, so we're gonna give I wonder
if that's it too.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're kind of like, yeah, we're gonna
break up the writers and that kind of gives you,
you know, four to six months of opponents and he's like,
that doesn't worked for me, brother, and they're like, well,
let's just give him the title because that can also
just like give him stuff to do, right, because if
he's not doing that, what else.
Speaker 4: That's like the thing about having so many titles, like
you can just give them to a guy to give
them something to do.
Speaker 1: While that's what it feels like because he did. Benjamin
was just said, I've heard a good match. What was
the first one?
Speaker 3: His first defense the week it was like three days after,
Oh somebody.
Speaker 1: I wasn't like, yeah, check. It wasn't like Jets anyone
from Yeah, of course, just some that that's just something.
Guy that cave in it has done nothing right, so
that that makes sense. But again it was like, oh,
that that fits for Mosley, so we'll see.
Speaker 4: I think these are technically like eliminator matches.
Speaker 3: You don't understand if Max is gonna win. To have
title matches is so dumb. It's like I hate the eliminator,
Like I just don't like that all.
Speaker 1: Like, if he's gonna if he's gonna win, have him
defend the title and that's a title defense.
Speaker 3: If Benjamin, if you want to like, if he's gonna
lose it, then like, I.
Speaker 4: Don't know funny enough. I think one of the the
only times I've seen someone lose in an eliminator match
was Anna j Vit Mariah May and her title reign
in an eliminator match.
Speaker 1: Yes, something up town match and rest is history. But yeah,
speaking of the women's we we talk us a little bit.
But then I'll see they announce the match. I guess
we've kind of been way for this that the downfall
Mercedes happening, and it did.
Speaker 3: It's we had Willow.
Speaker 1: They just ran and said yeah on Dynamite this week
last one five will versus Mercedes. And this was a
fun week on Twitter for me because it was like
everyone just booking, like how's it gonna go? And I
do love situations where it's okay, we legitally don't know
what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be d Q. Is this the start of
starting Mercedes wins? Is it will O winning? Is it
a draw? Like there's so many as it could have gone.
Speaker 1: And I because I remember I saw strange with things,
and I just saw like I had this no vacation
but them. I just saw like April just but will
in all caps, I was like I didn't have her winning.
I wanted her to win because I'm with people that
I think.
Speaker 4: We all had like Willow needs to beat Mercedes risk title.
But then also a lot of people are fantasy looking
like this would like be a pay per view match
or like main event match.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think like clearly it was the week
before where Mercedes lost some fucking title to wins or right,
I can't remember what it is like her.
Speaker 4: I think she had like two of the British titles, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: The British Pro or Rev Pro one of theose.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: And I'm with some people that like, I don't like
the idea if she would go lose all the indie
titles and then lose the TVs title, because you would
lose out this moment with Will, where like we were
all willing Will to do it, but it didn't feel
like a given. It was still a nice surprise in
a moment where if Mercedes has now lost seventeen matches
in a row and she's going against Will, it's like, well, yeah,
those is gonna win. So I prefer the oh she
loses the TV style now she goes back to all
these indies and lose them all, because I still think
what's gonna happen is I think she's just gonna win
the O one again, and I think at the all
end she'll win the actual World's title, because that's been
the one she can't win. Right, So it's like she'll
lose all these titles, but she'll win like the Aw's
world title. I don't know, it's still gonna be stat
Lander holding it. I don't mind that because they have
great chemistry. I just don't know if they're gonna have
stat hold it till August, Like that seems like a
long run. I'm fine that they can do a long run.
It's just like I wonder if she'll be able to
sustain that. It'll be a challenge. But yeah, and I
also I guess that was the reason why too. If
you're on Willow winning, it's because she had the tag titles.
I thought, ah, well, are they really gonna put this
on her?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: She just got this? But uh yeah, she got that.
And they're still defending those tag titles regularly and they're
all right matches, you know, nothing amazing.
Speaker 4: So I don't really know. I mean, what seems to
be next for for all of them. They're in the
uh what's the Triangle of Madness? Right vortex now, which
I mean I feel like they're probably gonna have like
I feel like that Tech was gonna go for like
the world title. They'll probably defend against uh like for
the tag titles the other two and then one of
them will get a TVs title shot since they've all
kind of been in a group together here of Chris,
Willow and Harley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that that makes sense.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't really know who would be the
person to beat Chris right now. I'm not sure unless
like Mercedes then comes back and wins the main title.
She also like this week on Collision was like she
had like a vignette where she was like covered in
the cake and stuff and was.
Speaker 6: Like waiting for a while.
Speaker 2: Everyone can see how much she's missed and how much
the division needs her.
Speaker 1: I did not like the post dynamite cake in the face,
like that's big fun of Mercedes because like all particular sades,
that just like was very cheesing over the top, like
the stuffing done with Mercedes's.
Speaker 4: Her, that's her writer. I don't like it.
Speaker 3: Don't know, don't like.
Speaker 4: Ill who just like hates this writer so much and
always talks about like he's ruined Mercedes segments.
Speaker 1: I think I'm with them, Like it's a difference of
like like obviously they did that with Tony and then
Thomas Tony Storm got brought like brought on right, but
that was a whole gimmick, change, whole idea. I don't
think in the future Mercedes come back as some calmedy
gimmick or something like. I I think there's certain characters
because I both organizations do this with the loss and
someone has a crash out. I think there's certain characters
you can do that. I think when Mercedes characters like
on the Graves of all time, her kind of being
like a joke. With Cakennor, it's like no, like and then,
don't get me wrong, like so my Kurd angle, he
actually could get away with that ship, like he could
be made fun of all the time. But with Mercedes,
I just don't feel she's like I think the puppet
is like the line like the Puppets, like, yeah, the puppet's.
Speaker 3: Fine, but because that's like kurreating annoyed by this person, like,
oh that's fine. But her sitting there and there's like
birds eye view shot of her on the ground laid out.
Speaker 1: And there's a cake holl over. I'm like, I don't
need Mercedes doing this stuff, you know. So I think
she goes away and lose those titles. And then the
question is though maybe they have a heel beat stat
because if they think that she'll if she wins the
world title, she'll be a babyface, maybe that'll be the time.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: And yeah with the men's asta, M jeff wanted, I
am still because also this is another thing. There is
a point in time, right everyone knows the MGFJ White match,
there's a point in time where it ever felt like
AW was like building on WW. That was like the
oh something something's changed at W was always still gaining
attraction back, but that was the like the tip of
the iceberg of okay, things have changed, and then the
devil stuff happened. So I think a lot of mgf's
first title run is fairly criticized and then also unfairly criticized.
It's all the Adam Coole entry stuff. They were just
pitvoting all the time, trying to figure it out. So
I understand why there's a lot of people excited for
the second run. But there's a lot of people that
are like, oh, MJFF. And I even saw when he
brought the triple B back, people like oh fuck, like
he's just running this back. But like, I'm hopeful the
only thing that I'll be curious about is for the
next few months or not few, because you said end
of August, like unless will Osprey is not cleared, It's
like we just know the story.
Speaker 3: We just know.
Speaker 1: It's like m Jeff holds this until August he loses
to Osprey, right, and just like that's a good thing.
I think m Jeff can keep it entertaining enough. But
when it's almost so just clearcut that sometimes can get
it out that that's the only good thing about Eve.
Speaker 3: When deaf writers sucked, it's like, well, maybe this is
the month where they lose.
Speaker 1: And then eventually's like, okay, they're doing it all in
where this it's like everyone just knows, well, m Jeff's
gonna barring injury, He's just gonna keep this title till then.
I'm excited for him, Bendido, and I think they'll do
like him and swerve him and hang man, but I
just I'm not.
Speaker 4: Sure they're also Kenny in there, right.
Speaker 1: I'm excited, Yeah, And I'm hoping because people are fantasy
booking that they're gonna do that for the Vancouver show
and I might try to go to that so because
if it's Kenny and m Jeff made a van Dynasty
of Vancouver actually there. Yeah, so I'm hoping, so, yeah, Kenny,
that'll watchually have some juice. Thank god we have a
dynamite episode. And Kenny didn't mention the don Colls family
once or there's no attack, Please be.
Speaker 3: Done with that. But yeah, dude, what do you do
with the Men's World title?
Speaker 1: Maybe like keep it fresh until all in because we're
just you know, until we're just waiting for you know,
Billy to go to get the check mark, and then
we always come back.
Speaker 3: With the Owen title and then we go on, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing, Like I love Ausbury, but
I don't want to be sitting here just counting down
the months just waiting Osbury's returned.
Speaker 6: You know that that kind of it sucks.
Speaker 2: And then it sucks for the title because, like you said,
it's like they did with the Death Riders, were just like,
all right, how are they gonna get through this one?
We know who's winning, but how are we gonna get
to that point?
Speaker 6: And so forth and so on.
Speaker 2: So I think they're gonna He's gonna run it with
you know, the combination of Joe hangman and swerve for
a little bit. Yeah, they may try and throw a
couple of new people in there. I do hope that
they have the Omega match. I don't know how you
get through the Omega match with like a clean victory, so.
Speaker 1: I was gonna yeah, but remember Jeff didn't win a
lot of his other stuff clean, like he's still him
and Brian had a clean hour long iron the match
went to overtime and then m Jeff hit him with
a fucking like auction tank, right, so you know what's
gonna happen is MGF is gonna take the din ring,
punch him.
Speaker 3: In his gut and can't go oh no, my gut,
and then we're gonna blade. He's gonna blade his abs
and that MGFF gets the wind.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't have to be clean, right because he
is like back to trying to be a heel, even
though like I don't know, man, he's still getting cheers
so much. Like I it just worries me, like the
first time they had to switch Hi babyface last time,
because like everyone just ended up liking him. It's just
luckily to swerve and hang in people like him. But
I just feel like M Jeff's not getting that heel
that heel vibe. He's acting like it, but just feels
like the crowd's still like, yeah, like you're just too fun.
Speaker 3: We don't want to boo you. So just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm curiously how that goes in the next little bit too,
of like the crowd reaction to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, we will see. Is there anything else
aw's happened since World's Inn or since the Dynamite? I
don't think so.
Speaker 4: I don't really think so. They're kind of been a
I mean, I guess Andrew coming back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's back. We got to check something over there. Yeah,
I got that going on.
Speaker 1: Don Call's family is becoming the biggest faction of all
fucking time, just like there's so many people. I do
like the idea of maybe Kyle Fletcher and Takeusha leaving,
but I feel like there's a swerve in there of
one or the other turning on each other, And I
really don't know which route because I could like, I
wouldn't mind them both leaving, but I could see a
route where Kyle Fletcher's a baby face, but I could
also see a route work Taketsha's a baby face, because
again I think I.
Speaker 4: Could more see Kyle being the face and Takeshta.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to me, if they didn't do the Ocada thing,
I'd be thinking about Takesha.
Speaker 3: But yeah, to me, I think t K kind of
botched that.
Speaker 1: Not only did have called a beat Takeshta, the first
guy in AW to beat Okada in a tournament is
just John Moxley, who like, yeah, I love Moxley, but
like Moxy didn't need that.
Speaker 3: Moxley's a main man till like he retires.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's just like they kind of they kind of
botched that Takeshta caught a story. I know they're gonna
run it back, and I know they're gonna make it.
Speaker 3: What they're gonna do is probably at all in. They're
gonna make.
Speaker 1: Takesha beat Ocada for the international title and tell me it's.
Speaker 3: A big deal. But it's like, yeah, you had the
chance to make it like a real big deal.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: So Takesha just lost the World Championship.
Speaker 1: Now in New Japan, he's had a couple magic quality's good,
but results wise not going good for Takeshta, you know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'd be like, aw, right now. It's kind
of been there, kind of just like waiting period to
get to the because there's not really a pavor you
for a while.
Speaker 1: And the Jags are currently in the playoffs right now,
so Tony Conn's definitely scattered brain over there right now.
He's thinking about them trying to beat the Bills right now.
So okay, so we're going to our unless any other topic.
I didn't talk and bring up anything else.
Speaker 4: I think that's pretty cover.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's it all right.
Speaker 1: So we got the second annual Gimmick Awards. So what
we're gonna do is we have I didn't put a
number on we got. I think over and I know ten.
Maybe you'll close to twenty categories here, a whole mix
of stuff. I'm gonna go from the bottom and then
go the top up because we're gonna leave match and
Show for the year, you know, the bigger ones the last.
But we added this one. I don't have the official name.
I suppose did you have an official name for the
the Gear Award?
Speaker 4: I just put the best Gear. I didn't have a
funny meme name. I think we were thinking maybe an
Incredible Live Show Charisma Award.
Speaker 1: But right, yeah, right, And for me, I'll go first
because I suppose Discord. And for me, when I saw it,
I was like, that was easily it five different ones.
Speaker 3: I'm excited, hear. For me, I'm sure you have this.
Ria's art the clown was like a that was a
no brainer.
Speaker 4: I love this.
Speaker 3: What how is it out on your list? It looked great?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, I loved that gear so much.
It is so funny in the fucking w when michaels
like this is based on art the clown. It's like
a product that no one that I guarantee you five
percent of the audience probably enjoys, like socially out of
the family brand. It's like, oh, what's this from the
fact that they're selling like merch with Rion art the
clown who's like a asalter.
Speaker 3: He's ripping people's like he's an awful person. But I
loved the gear.
Speaker 1: I loved even the draw like the mole, like it
was fantastic. It is like a good gear this year.
But yeah, that was my number one.
Speaker 3: So I'll go to Dave first and then spos five,
So we'll leave him last for the gear here.
Speaker 6: So I'm sticking with Rhea but I'm going with uh
the Joker who laughs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot about that one that she went at WrestleMania,
like that, the whole mask of it all.
Speaker 6: That was pretty dope.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's a good one. Yeah, that's my one A
one B.
Speaker 1: You're right, I forgot about that one because I remember
a couple of years ago she did like a Batman
type of gear live, but it was like not main
event rha and the gear was like this looks more.
Speaker 3: Like a rap It was.
Speaker 4: That was like the wrestling and one where they're like
Batman and Catwan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but her Batman gear was like oh yeah, like
it was just like it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I do have a second choice, and that would
be uh for Trickling with his green lantern gear.
Speaker 3: That was pretty cool. Yeah, you know in the ring
and everything that I said that, I.
Speaker 4: Liked his uh like the dull or nothing like the
Predator gear.
Speaker 3: Predator gear is good. Yeah, He's always got some good gear.
He's James Gunn liked his his his post.
Speaker 1: But when he had the ring out, at first I
thought it was MGF and I'm like, what the hell
aren't we doing this Bendino match.
Speaker 3: Later I was like Okay, it's.
Speaker 4: Ring though, like even he does still like well, it's like,
well I want it, so I want to Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so du they for the first years built up
like who's gonna beat m Jeff for this ring? And
they're like, ah, nobody's gonna beat over for the ring,
you know, so we'll just keep it. So all right,
I suppose you got five what do you got cooking
over there?
Speaker 4: Okay, So for these weren't really in any order, but
I'll just say I had I had aj styles his
TNA style from Crown the Shorts. Yeah. Then then I
just had all of Kyle Fletcher's gears just says one,
just says one.
Speaker 1: Everything that's going the jacket, everything, He's got some good stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Then I had j C. Jane her Evolution gear,
which was like all white. This is her most like
uh like, because the kind of the thing with j C.
Jan is that the character is secretly just the it's
supposed to be, like the the Shawn Michaels like rockers style,
like like there's been so such She's like, oh yeah,
it's like I'm the best rock star I know besides
Shawn Michaels. And this was like the most like it
was all with the red round sunglasses, like with the
gold like.
Speaker 2: Uh, then I.
Speaker 4: Had Charlotte Flair with this WrestleMania level gear on a
random SmackDown. I can send it in the in the
chat on Twitter so you guys can see it. Yeah, yeah,
a link. It should be an Instagram link. I think
to just this gear that she wore late on a
random SmackDown. Yeah, I have a whole notes Amos stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, why she busting this on smack and this is.
Speaker 4: The only time she rolls for a random smack though.
Speaker 3: Did they like win the title that night or what?
Speaker 4: This is just like I think this might have been
their first match as a tag team maybe, but yeah,
she just woreless on and she doesn't repeat gears ever,
I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I respect you this gear on other I will screen
Shaircase even watches after fact. It's yeah, it's gold gear.
She almost got like a big crown in the back.
I respect that. Another pet peeve the T shirt wrestling
I always hates me, always regularly. I hate people when
they wear the wrestman gear on the raws back then
after I hate it. I hate it, hate it. I
know he paid a lot of money for it. I
don't want to see it on WRAW. I don't want
to see like, bring a second set of gear. Just
bring a second set gear.
Speaker 3: MS was always so bad for that.
Speaker 1: He'd wear his wrestling and big jackets like no, dude,
like that's WrestleMania. It'll get their recent. I hate when
people wear the WrestleMania gear again. But yeah, I respect
her for always not doubling the gear.
Speaker 4: So and that one was the King Troy, so I
believe that's also who does the seths gear and jackets
and stuff like that. And my number one was Mercedes
Monnet all in with the huge cape with all the
names of the people's being the whole cowboy look with
the white and gold. That was that was my favorite
gear this year. And she said some wild it was
very different than like anything she's ever wore before.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's the thing she did a big time
this year where it feels like every two months she
would like switch up the style of gear. And it's like,
I'm not saying it's bad that he's just like she
would have a different type of like like theme or
gimmick going on.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was a really good one, so good
shout out there.
Speaker 1: So all right, David, I'll start with you for chills,
with the Chills Award the most quotable line of the year,
I will get the.
Speaker 3: There you go or best promo. So, yeah, what did
you have here?
Speaker 2: So up until recently it was a punk one, and
I wish I still had it written down because I
erased it once I put over there. So now it
is braun Breaker and Punk's promo battle from was it
two weeks ago?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 2: And they just went at it, and he breaker mentioning
like like you were out here trying to wrestle in
the indies to remake a name for yourself, and I
was playing in the NFL.
Speaker 6: We are not the same.
Speaker 2: And I was like, god damn, Like that was the
best I've seen of braun unleashing. I was like afterwards, I.
Speaker 6: Was just like, that was one hell of a promo
by this kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that was a good one.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I got I got honorable mentions and I
got my winner here. I really enjoyed Hangan's victory promo
the night or the week after all in that was good.
I hate putting this one here because it is a meme,
but like the Tony storm Ria may like backstage thing
was great until people like memed On.
Speaker 3: Every time fucking Blake Monroe will like.
Speaker 1: Trip and they'd be like, oh, I've never heard of
you know, Mariah Monroe ever again, whatever happened to you.
Speaker 3: It's like the actual line though for the promo it
was good, and it was also Mariah's.
Speaker 1: Reaction that the way she like sat back, and it
worked for the feud because like the last time she
saw right, so like before I got memed On, it
was like higher for me.
Speaker 3: It's not their fault.
Speaker 1: And then after that was just a bunch of lines
from the scene of pipe Bomb. I didn't want put
his number one because it was kind of a reduct
but it was still really good. But then at number one,
I got Cody's Night before WrestleMania two Nights before restu
May one. The specific line is when he I can't
remember I'm paraphrasing, but he said something about like looking
at your palest sting from star K ninety seven, and
people'll know, yeah, that's like.
Speaker 3: A huge deal because like.
Speaker 1: When Conrad and Bischoff did their podcast, because ninety seven
had like a big it was like their Traps Scott moment,
like they had Hogan actually pin a bunch of bad
stuff when Sting finally beat Hogan and he's listening to
all these reasons like, oh, Steve didn't seamright, he is off,
he was in the best shape, he wasn't tan enough,
and Connor, yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: Tan enough, and like that was the whole thing, which
never made sense to me, because it's like the Sting
character doesn't need to be fucking tan, like he's a ghoul,
Like what are you talking about? But there's two reasons
one that line. But remember people always forget.
Speaker 1: This is why I still will give Cody wrote some
credit for when he goes in there against Roman later
on this year.
Speaker 3: If it happens that crowd was booing Cody the whole
way through and.
Speaker 4: At this like for the Berlin match when they showed
him walking into the arena, I'd say it was like
ninety five percent booze. When he made his entrance, they
were booing but singing the song. By the end of
the Steel Cage when he's going like with Drew, it
was full on fifty to fifty, let's go Cody.
Speaker 3: Cody suck and that's like he can turn a crowd
on saying forever. But that promo was amazing because when
he got that ring and they were heavily like, oh man,
like they want seeing it seventeen it's over.
Speaker 1: And when he cut that promo and he flipped everybody
as like yeah, his dad would be so super fucking proud,
like next to his original what do you want to
talk about? Promo, that might be his best promo just
because he flipped everybody when he should enough.
Speaker 3: So that was my chills moment.
Speaker 1: And I'll say it for like I said, line specifically
is looking like Sting from Star K ninety seven.
Speaker 4: So oh yeah, I have some like like meme answers
and like real answers. That's my top meme for like
most quotable thing of the year has to be you
like my fire Like that was the number one saying
this year. Everyone used it for anyone, like the Coke
Versus Mocks highlight video, like that's legendary.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, it's so funny. I forgot to
send it to you guys. But before Taylor had a
second baby and they were going to the gym, you know,
the second time we were there. They were playing it
on the fucking speakers at the gym and I could
not stop laughing of like, who was working out to
this song? But I do we people stopped doing the.
Speaker 3: What is the name that song? I'll say, yeah, people
stop doing the outstanding memes, bring them back. I love
anytime someone on my feed sucks and they make the
outstanding video.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of that. So and I'm gonna use
that for Gantlin next year. People don't bring it back, so,
but yeah, that's a good one to shout out.
Speaker 4: Then I had for my actual picks. I'd say I
had the CM punk bald fraud of promo after the
elimination Chamber where you just like went off on on
Dwayne and seeing it and a bunch of well uh
good one. Then I had this like, well, this honorable
mention to I Want Your Soul. It was not a
good promo, but it was a memorial promo.
Speaker 3: It was a memory that's like in the meme WI.
Speaker 1: It was a memorable pro for that I Want Your
Soul because that did get a reaction from the crowd,
And yeah, what we could have had, But.
Speaker 4: My actual like top promo or Quobo end of the year.
I have renowned as I bury mediocrity, which is the
Sena London promo against Cody where they fully went at
each other where he said like you know he was
getting stealing the billionaire's son's money and like he buried
the nexus and he'd do it again and stuff like that.
Like that was I think the best heel promo scenic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah again, like I'm still fine.
Speaker 1: I think I'm fine with the scena heel turn up
until the theme, the Fiend theme hits at me. I
think we're still I think there's still some good nuggets
in that first few months there. So I suppose I'll
go right back to you best moment, so change from
last year it was no resting moment, but now could
be a match, promo segment, et cetera. So what did
you have your your best moment or a few best
moments of the year this year?
Speaker 4: I have five, So I went like, for best moment,
it's purely strictly the moment, like anything else could have
happened afterwards, and the moment was good. I feel like
you can probably tell what my number one is gonna
be in this case. But for number five I had.
I just had it written down as we want Charlotte,
which is like from Evolution when she started actually getting cheered,
like I just felt like that was a great moment,
like when she was like they just started, like a
whole crowd just started chanting that they want Charlotte in
that tag match, and that started really the whole face
run of her this year, and I think that's the
that's the moment I remember just watching live like, oh,
like like everyone is chatting we want shortly in this moment, and.
Speaker 1: I probably, like, I can't speak for it, but I
feel like that's probably one of her favorite moments too,
because it felt like he was kind of so very much.
It was pretty mad all way around, right, and even
the beginning with Tifty in those promos so and being good.
Speaker 4: So yeah. Then for I had the Naomi money in
the bank cash in just and because just after that
amazing match, like when when you have kicked or when
Ria kicked out of that last Moon saw, I was like, like,
what is gonna end this match? Because it's like they've
done everything, Like I was just like, just how are
they even gonna end this match? And yeah, Naomi cashing
in that was just a great moment to end all
sit three. I've said I had Hangman wins the aw
title and the whole like run ins with Brian and Darby,
like coming down on the ropes. I think it was
a great moment, you know, him finally opening the case
and like I said, the mom I loved that the
title said Brian's side plates on it, like I took
and just put in the briefcase right away. And yeah,
that was a big moment. And that's that's one that
I'd probably put on the list of doesn't really matter
what happened afterwards, and in regards to this awards.
Speaker 1: Just yes, I agree because it afterwards taking down a
little bit of an.
Speaker 4: Entrepant, you know, there was no hook yet. And then too,
I have the aj Lee return to the day just
for when we've already covered a bunch just this year.
But that was just a huge moment, even if definitely
teased it a lot to the point where it was
like it's definitely happening. It wasn't like a surprise moment,
but it was still a great, great moment and my
number one, I mean, I feel like you can pretty
much tell what it's gonna be with the stuff I
put around it, but it has to be the scene
of healter and just in that moment, like for that night,
that was like the greatest thing I'd ever seen.
Speaker 1: I was I thought somewhere EO win at Mania might
get on your list too, because if if you were
such an Illo believer.
Speaker 4: I want to do something with Re and EO, I
generally know what I would put it above these this year. Yeah,
there's definitely there's some categories will go to where it's
like I've left stuff off because I feel like they
might do bigger things this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair, right, David. What about you?
Speaker 2: Oh well, I's already named my first and second choice,
so I will just rehash that. My first dress would
be Hangman winning the title back. It was just it
was a great moment. It was like a good moment
for aw as a whole. It was the right booking
decision and everything else. Like you said, the side played
still being the same, everything from the start of that
match to the end of it, Hangman bringing back the
old music, just everything with that which is great, and
then a j Lee skipping down the eye. We knew
what was coming. It was telegraphed the entire time, but
still seeing that return and seeing Seam Punks just super
happy face, like anytime she's on screen. That man is
just a whole different version of seeam Punk and you'll
love to see it. Like that's the happiest I ever
see that man and her skipping down the aisle, everything
with her and Becky, it.
Speaker 6: Was just it was great.
Speaker 1: H Yeah for me, I have to reiterate those again
for myself. The only I think what other different ones
do I have? But yeah, I guess two.
Speaker 3: Again showed out.
Speaker 1: I guess it's the moment because I wouldn't have it
in my matches year and I guess I can specifically
say this moment, but I think it's more the ending
of the match when Sina comes out with Cody on
the Cody Vader and he has it in the AA.
But I think just like that last five minute stretch
up Super Cody versus Super Sena, them delivering super finishers
to each other, just that like that, like Dragon Ball Z,
like Man of Steel sort of fight.
Speaker 3: Then was great. I'm a big lover this match. I
loved the ending of Mariah Mavers Tony Storm, specifically, like
the end and they go out. It's a whole Hollywood school.
It's such a great way.
Speaker 1: Because Mariah May is leaving, that still should have went
on fucking last. Tony would have saved so much trouble.
I don't care that Mariah was leaving. It was a
perfect kind of ending there.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, it was a j Lee I had that.
And then the Hangman Wins is my number one because
not only.
Speaker 1: Was it like ended up being a good story and
it was the end of the death writers, like the
main thing there.
Speaker 3: Hangman is just.
Speaker 1: One of those vital pieces and it's whatever you feel.
That first title run was also, and the second title
run maybe not I was great either, but even the
first one was just like it's not remembered fondly because
everything that fall right because it ended with him in
the Punk promo, and then from there on it became
the Punk and Bucks and then it became all this
stuff with everybody and the brands got divided a bit,
like there's a lot of stuff that he indirectly did
by saying it promo. I'm not saying he's wrong, because
Punk Young Punk did that many times, going off script,
and he just couldn't handle the heat there, but I
think it's just it is like a oh yeah, and
even after like Tony kind of punished Hayman for a while,
Hayman took like a he took a lot of losses
in those six months after, which, like I'm not saying
it was wrong thing because like, yeah, maybe you should
have done that, but.
Speaker 3: This felt bigger.
Speaker 1: And this, even though I don't like the decision of
Hangman losing to Joe and then whatnot, I think that
is not good booking. I think at least with the
last time when he lost the title, it did feel like,
oh man, he's like gone down a step right. The
actual title win against Kenny was a great story. Luckily
Hayman's title winds always a great story, but something felt off,
like when he lost it, it felt like he was
really back to the mid card where now it still
feels like Hayman's always gonna be like upper mid card
main event level.
Speaker 3: So what's doing all in? Who knows. I'm sure there's
gonna run him his swerve back, but we'll see.
Speaker 1: So, uh, the next is, so you think your special
war few of the year, so I can just circle
in And when I said al ready I gave it
to Tony Mariah May.
Speaker 3: I agree with that. S Pubs there was a ton
so did I.
Speaker 4: This year was pretty weak in terms of it. I
feel like every feud that was even if they were good,
had something bad in it that made you not think
it was a good feud.
Speaker 1: Even like I, like I talked about earlier. I remember
we're talking about when Drew gotwin smacked, and I think
we're all like, oh, Drew and Cody that could be
really good and has been like necessarily bad but didn't
hit the I don't hit the heights.
Speaker 3: That we thought it was going to.
Speaker 1: Especially remember that first pro when Droom came back and
he's like, no one checked on me while I was gone,
and he was talking about how he wants Cody, like.
Speaker 3: It felt like they didn't have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it doesn't feel like they had any that
connection again, it just felt like they were like square
one and same thing like Cody and Sina.
Speaker 3: It felt like.
Speaker 1: There's either just feuds that were good or they could
have been great, and there was some stumbles along the
wa because even Hangman and the Rioters, it's like would.
Speaker 4: Say even like like oh Mega versus Okada, it was like, oh,
this is good, and then Don Kelly.
Speaker 1: Shit, yeah, exactly right. It's like, oh, there's so much history,
we don't need anybody else. Oh Don Kels's screwdriver great.
So yeah, I think that worked out.
Speaker 3: I agree with s Bub's like your critique has always
been like, when May won the title was just like,
we're waiting till Tony get back. So that was kind
of a lull in there. But what happened after that, lalls,
We got the fucking og Tony storm back.
Speaker 4: For a bit and that was a great to give
it back because the stuff of her waiting for Tony
to come back was technically in twenty twenty four, So
I'll give it up.
Speaker 3: Right, I guess.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're right, but yeah we got that, we
got the ending. So yeah, that's where I went. But no,
I agreed with that assessment that overall, not not much
in there. So so we're all there, David, who's your
most improved wrestler of twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2: Oh that one was a hard one for me, and
it so and I'm going to say this from a
different perspective, and it's not off of in ring. It
is off of character work, and I am going to
say Charlotte because Charlotte I.
Speaker 6: Know, Rick, She's always been good in the ring.
Speaker 4: To me, I mean for what you were saying for
the character, Like when you're saying like, oh, it's not
because n ring, it's character.
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, Charlotte adapted and took and transformed,
like everything about her character made herself relatable in senses
that we've never seen from her and just in my
mind for the first time, and I believe her career,
she what she is, the complete package. I believe her
she can go in the ring like there's no doubt
about it. But I also there are times I'm like,
I want to see her succeed. I want to, like,
I believe in.
Speaker 6: The character of Charlotte and it's not just your baby flair.
Speaker 3: Perspective. Yeah, I get that, Okay, that spops who you got.
Speaker 4: I went with you know something I talked about a lot,
probably her same reason I went with Raquel, like just
the whole like the Kevin Nash means of it, but
they are true. I feel like like she has like
that is what she needed to do, like just work,
like she has the size compared to pretty much everyone
on the roster and you need to you need to
work like that. I feel like she really did do that.
And she's had a lot of matches. I mean a
match I don't have on my top matches of the year.
But one that was really really great was that Bianca
and Naomi versus Living Raquel tax a year. Yeah, and
she's had a bunch of other matches. I really liked
this year and uh, I thought it was good. So
and I feel like, especially this year, I feel like
if she splits, I'm curious if they are going to
have her split from the judgment day that they're kind
of building with Live and Rock Sand and stuff like that.
I'm curious if it's going to be a big singles
type year for her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very curious to see which way she goes.
I hope they I think the better route. We've talked
this before is to get Live and dom as a
babyface and have Live in her do those heats what I.
Speaker 4: Thought, But then Live just came back as like a
full heel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and her, So it's like, I'm interested. I think
it's just that they don't have plans to break them
up anytime soon soon, Like I think they're gonna hint
at it, but the same way as like what Finn
and Dom have been like breaking. Yeah, so it's like
that's why I thing it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Okay, I got another lady, and I think
mine might be just as hot as a take I
got Marina Shaffir. I could not give two shits about
Marina Shaffir for her almost entire career. I thought she
had nothing going on. She was very three star in
the ring at like her best was a three star.
Obviously she's an ngxty. For a bit, it was just, oh,
she's a signing because she's ron of his friend and
she's Roddy's wife, and I think I think I've heard
people like her, but just like as a ring talent,
no character, no promo, no great ring work, just I'm
an m fighter, right, And even then, I think her
ringwork actually has gone better because she's gone to this character.
I'd say the top tier is when she was in
the fucking Women's War Games or whatever, Blood and Guts, like,
she seemed like a killer.
Speaker 3: She seemed like like when she did that spot when
she stepped on the glass and was starting to kick
people it's like I am scared of Marina Shafir now
in real life I always would have been. But this
is like the presence that she has of when she
walks in Moxley, the tank tops, the key, everything. When
Moxley does lose just those little facials, she gives like
she is just as to this version of Moxley, she
is more vital to him than any of the other
guys are. She's just like it would feel like his
act is missing something if she isn't there. And I said,
I shouldn't get so excited for on her and Roddy's
face off, but it's like and even earlier this year,
the two times were last time they just fought, but
the last time I think it was this year if not,
but it's the first time Moxley and Roddy fought.
Speaker 1: And Roddy went to hit mox and she walked in
the wave of him, and she was like kind of torn,
like she's happy to see Robbie but not like it's
all that.
Speaker 4: Was like they did that, but were you forgetting they
did that spot and she was like torn, and Roddy
turned away and then she's been on him while walked
away and I love that.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: Beau's just like you never know you're getting with this character,
and that's a I mean, like I don't even know.
Like when the death Priyers turnam Locks, I could see
her being the one that sticks with him. I can
also see her being the one that leads that group
and turns on. Unfortunately, she's still have the greatest promo,
so I don't think she can fully lead that group.
I think you get pack like let pack cut is
like boiler room, like.
Speaker 4: You think you know me?
Speaker 3: Like he just yells at the thing, like I think
that has to be a combo.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Marina, the same thing is more of just
some character work that I I'm excited to see Maria
shaf hear on my TV. And I would have never
thought that. I thought I'm done with this person. So
uh now, in the kind of similar vein, yeah, I'm
happy with those aunts. So in the similar vein spos
breakout start of the year, who you got this one?
Speaker 6: Is?
Speaker 4: This sun is curious? Three? Well honorable mention. I have
Kendall Gray because I feel like this year is gonna
be the year that.
Speaker 3: Barring an injury, it's it's probably your.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but then also kind of for similar reasons.
It's only at five I have Javon Evans because I
feel like it's kind of for both reasons at the
same time, as in I feel like he was already
kind of a breakout start in twenty twenty four, even
though this year he did have a really good year
with some really great matches. Yeah, but then I also
feel it's possible that this year could also be like
another breakout year from with him on the main roster
and more people seeing him. So that's why I only
put him at five, like I need to have him
on the list, even though I think there's reasons I
could have left him off for various reasons, but I
want to.
Speaker 3: I saw him on my.
Speaker 1: List because I feel like there's people like because you said,
like last year, I didn't watch much NXC, but because
he was on the main roster and the other spots
they gave him, like with Goonther. That's why I think
I could argue he almost had another breakout year, right,
and next year if he's on the main roster for
the full year, it's like three years in a row.
You could argue he's the breakout. So he's just like
breaking on different like categories, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Then four, I had I had, I had JC
Jane obviously I had on the list, like just completely
stepped up from being like she wasn't like jabber level
but definitely wasn't seen as like car. She's like, yeah,
like the main event star women's division, and like she
won the title off Stephanie in like what feels like
that was like we just need to get the title
of Stephane like this week. But after that she completely
stepped up. I feel like in all the matches he
had was also TNA Women's Champ for a while there
and stepped up there, and I just thought she had
really great matches. Like I said, I said, what was
it like like Lolavice versus j c J and at
No Mercy. I was at that show. That was like
some of the most hyped the crowd has ever been
was for that match I was watching, or at least
crowd I've been to, Like the heat on JC was insane.
People just wanted Lola to win and that was a
great match. And I think she's had a really she
had a really really great year in twenty twenty five.
Then three, I've Fletcher I feel like we've already kind
of talked about him breaking out this year, so I
just had that him on the list. Really it kind
of started at the end of I guess twenty twenty
four because that's when he turned on Ospray and stuff
like that. But then this whole year he's just been
doing this thing, you know, the TNT title run and
the also you still have the Steel Cage which with
Osprey this year, and he's just been a consistent presence
throughout the year, you know, to the C two again,
to having matches like up until great matches up until
the end of the year. Two guy had Stephanie Vicer
that was kind of one sort of like Kendall Gray
last year where she wasn't on the list just because
like she was already kind of breaking out NXT just
in a few months at the end of that year.
And then this year was when it really blew up.
For obviously starting the year in NXT, going to the
main roster and winning the title, uh and just being
like going from yeah pretty much to getting signed to
winning the title in like less than a year is
pretty rare for anyone in WDE, especially these days. So
I thought great run there and number one. I didn't
put on all this but Eosky at number one from
going to like because even if you look she'd won
the title before the world title, but if you go
to that run, like she'd come out to silence even
though she was the world champion. And now she's getting
like real level reactions when she comes out. So it's
just been a massive, honestly win the title, defend it,
like successfully defending at Mania, and obviously the matchress re
ed Evolution, the tag run, the whole Rio run has
been great and just made her like a top star
of the company.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I didn't have EO there, but that's that's
a good point that there's like a different levels like
the Jagon thing, right, So yeah, and no, I agree,
And honestly I can't go.
Speaker 3: I'll go because I have the same listen you.
Speaker 1: I just have Stephanie number one just because she was
a bit newer, and I had Fletcher, but those are
pretty much all the sepople. I didn't have anybody else
like different for that matter, Like I if Fletcher could
have won something bigger, I would have put him at
number one.
Speaker 3: But I think character wise, like there's a good chance
next year he could win the.
Speaker 1: World title off offspray, right, like I think that he
he there's a reason why Tony Cohn signed him a
lot earlier and to get that contract done because w
W would have swapped like they would have swallowed that
guy really quick, because he has a good w B
look too. So no, I agree that, listen, that's why
I had So David, do you have anybody else on
your list?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I have some of the same people that you
guys have and have two that you don't. And for
the beginning of the year, even though yes he was
already doing his thing in NXT, I have to give
a shout out to Joe Hendry because again he had
the World Rumble and the WrestleMania Parents, I mean, and
that guy got massive pops at both, like he can't
argue with those. And another one that I have that
you guys didn't have is Obey because yes, you know he's.
Speaker 6: Even going on a run. But that made loster match
against Cody Rhodes and held his own.
Speaker 3: He didn't lose, it just got h finished.
Speaker 2: Yeah that that that shows just how massive of a
star he is becoming. So at on my list as well.
Speaker 6: Because of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like if he wins the title this year,
I feel like we could have him like number one
breakout by the next year's awards. So that's kind of
another I left him off for so reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see here, David, who do you have as
the best free signing agent this year or options?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Originally I had more I May, and you know, I've
kind of gone back and forth with that. I'm gonna
stick with her. She was an incredible steal and I
think that she still has more heights to get to,
like she hasn't reached her ceiling. So I'm going to
stick with her. They had that that weird ending with
her losing the title, and that's the only thing that
just kind of put a little damper on above and that,
Like she's been who we thought she was. She's a
little bit toned down than she was an aide, like
you know, some of that stuff you just can't do
in the FED, so like what I'm used to that,
So I would say that Marian May is my biggest
Like I I can't believe that they let this happen,
and she's been continuing on with that momentum.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I got her as well. For my three, I had
her or no, I actually had four I had. I
don't know who I have the I I think it's
like a four way tie. I don't have anyone who's
like the best.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything like because definitely, like you said,
especially had.
Speaker 1: Signed last year, right technically, that's what four right now
are like George, I guess, and it was no, and
Pento was last year.
Speaker 4: Too well, Penta was twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Was it to the debut in January?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well then that's that's tough because like the
first half for sure, I still we'd say on here.
Speaker 3: I think I don't like quarter was my four? Okay,
I have him.
Speaker 1: I got yeah, Blake Monroe, Maria May, I got Jordan Grace,
and I got Kevin Knight. Because Kevin Knight, I think
he's somebody that next year we could even talk about
for breakout year for a town. We'll see how he
gets booked, but I just think there could be there.
And I actually have Meghan Baine because I think that's
like Kevin Knight where it's some future and that Tony
Storm match. I really did like, and I think she
proved herself. I think she's still doing consistently good work.
So to me, I think Kevin and Meghan Baine are
more like I think their best. They're good signings for
the future. But really my top three would be Penta
Grace and uh Maria may or Blake Monroe.
Speaker 3: That'd be my three.
Speaker 4: So yeah, really, my my picks I had who were
sort of like people who just like fit in when
they got signed. It's not it wasn't necessarily if they
had a huge year or not, because I had I
had Penta, I had Mina, I had Megan Bain and
my number one, which I feel is the most one,
I had Speedball Mike Bailey because I feel like he's
a guy who they signed and it's like he could
have been there, like if I just started watching ANW
when he got there and he told me he'd been
there since day one of the company, Like I couldn't
believe you, because you just fit in. Like he had
a single, like he had singles match against, like he
was in there with Okada and Danny have against Ricochet
and Kennya match and then the whole Jet speed Tag
run and he's just been consistently like a guy who's
been in the company doing stuff the entire year, like prominent,
like hasn't gone for the world title, but been a
prominent character and just fit in perfectly to being in
aw No, that's fair a similar for your kind night reason.
But you know there are tag Team all.
Speaker 3: Right, test Bob's worst slash most display match of the year.
What do you got?
Speaker 4: Alright? I have five here, so five?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean for all of that, I technically got multiple,
so yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for five. I had Becky and Larra at SummerSlam,
just because I was so excited for this match based
on their other two matches, and they just did something complete,
like they did not have like the wrestling classic that
they I thought they were gonna have.
Speaker 1: We all thought that was gonna be the best match
of the series, the worst. So can't wait for when
they're all fucking pissed and cried. It looks like they're
all mad about this match, so yeah, yeah, and it just.
Speaker 4: Like I don't even think I wouldn't say it's the
worst match of the year by far, Like I still
there's still spots in it. I like when they were
actually wrestling each other, so doing the stuff with the
zip ties or whatever. But it was just very very
disappointing for me, especially since I was so excited that
that was probably one of the matches I was mostly
excited for on SummerSlam. Yeah four, Like people might say
a different mox match, but for me, it has to
be Swerve versus Mox because this match is so ridiculous, Like,
I mean, the thing I always point out is like
they go to the outside. Obviously it takes like their
outside for like seventeen minutes, but they set up a ladder,
Mox go or they does like a sort does like
a swerve stomp through the table, puts Mocks in the ring.
They get back in the ring, and then they start
grappling and doing like Mox like flipping on his head
trying to grab this guy. And I'll see the finish.
People got so mad because like Hangman runs it. Oh yeah,
let's like Hangman like ran like with like no build up.
Helped Swerve here, and then the young Bucks showed up
and helped Moxley for like no reason. Uh and yeah,
and then Mox got like a if I remember correctly,
got like a triple h like ten count on swear
at the end. So yeah, this one was just like
I don't even hate this match that much, Like I
think it's a hilarious match, but people were so mad.
People were like quitting a w because of this match. Yeah, yeah,
especially because after Cope versus Mox, people were like, well,
at least we have Swerve next, and Swerve is one
beating Mox for his title.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then this match happened then for three as a
solo versus Jacob at Summer Slam, because this match was
just like, this is the most nothing match, like they did.
He didn't even do the mood salt off the cage
until after the match ended, like Solo just like escaped
the cage and then all the MFT guys ran in
and he did the mood salt and like stood tall
and that was it. Like it was just and it
was like the co main event. It was just so bad.
And yeah, after this is like that, the US title
actually became good with like Sammy beaning solo, but this
match was just so bad. Two, I have Brock versus
Sena because it was like we kind of knew what
it was gonna be, but then it was still that
and it was just like a waste of time for
this first Sena. And I mean we pretty much already
talked about it in like before, so there's not really
much else I have to say. And number one, I
mean it has to be this one in terms of
like the magnitude of what it was and what happened
in it. It's Cna versus Cody at wrestling yet number
one because even then, because we're on record that we
actually liked the heel Seena wrestling slow, but like you said,
when he hits, that's when it all went down here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot of people have this hard
because I enjoy the match chill fene where I remember,
there's a lot of people don't. Yeah, I liked the
match until the back half.
Speaker 4: I've been doing like the slow five knuckle shuffle and
stuff like that. Yeah, I thought they were having a
good match. I think it could have been obviously, well
we'll talk about best matches of the year, but they
had a much better match in them though they could
have done. But yeah, for number one, wor worst and
most disappointing had to be Seena versus codyet wrestling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so fallow up, I'll say it's just like a
ten way tie. But like, mostly what I have is
worst disappointing. I just put all Sena heel matches because
I hated I hated the Cody and Scena finish, so
I put that there.
Speaker 3: Brock and cold or broken Sina was bad.
Speaker 1: I hated the Scena ran any thing with all our
true stuff that gone there, all our true Sina stuff sucked.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And the one that's really heartbreaking most disappointing probably up
there is the Punk and Sina one because Edgard chemistry.
The fact that it led to like the vision and
it led to Pent to like the fact that pent
is in their last match randomly is like what like
and they're having again a decent match up until they
did all this stuff in there again, it made no
sense that like Scena's trying to cheat and Punks like
shaking his fucking hand in the middle of the ring
while this is happening. It's like, what, like beat him then, dude,
like why he's trying He actively is trying to cheat
against you.
Speaker 3: Why are you shaking his hand?
Speaker 1: This makes this makes It's like when Wrestling at thirty
one when Triple h hits a sting with a sledgehammer
and then after sings shakes his hand, it's like he didn't.
Speaker 3: Beat you, he beats you. He hits you with a
foimal project and then on the A W side.
Speaker 1: Because I talked about this for many times, it's gotta
be moxleing Copeland for me because I, uh, Edge has
great matches with Roman, He's got great matches with Seth.
Speaker 3: I thought, Okay, Moxley has the chance to be the
best one. Now granted did they do him make good
and Moxley new he killed himself on the diamond and
put those those nails through him, Yes, but that still has.
Speaker 1: To put it there because for me personally, like with
Swerven Locks, he's like I already knew Moxley was like
doing this type of stuff with Moxle and Copeland.
Speaker 3: I've been waiting for a while for this one. And
that was like, h that, uh really brut me the
wrong way. So that's that's my list. So all heels
seen the matches and Edge and Cope so or fucking
Edge and ma goddamn Adam Cope with his name. What
do you got, David?
Speaker 4: All Right?
Speaker 2: So I have Broxina. You've already talked about I have
the Cody Sino WrestleMania one. I have Chelsea versus Elena
Vega from Saturday Night's main event with right I forgot.
But there is a match much worse than any of these.
I would take you all back to the twenty sixth
of September. It's a nice, beautiful Friday night. You're just gonna,
you know, enjoy your life. You sit down, you turn
on SmackDown, and you are forced to sit through Tiffany
Stratton versus Jake Cark Gill versus Nya Jack's triple threat
absolute botchfest.
Speaker 4: Actually I actually like this match beside the.
Speaker 6: Absolutely botch best of the night.
Speaker 2: U Nya with the shoulder everything just oh man it
And for some reason they still thought, you know what,
Jade's ready, We're where's ready?
Speaker 3: She got that cool scar now, you know?
Speaker 2: So that that is my absolute chess just worse worst
of it all right, So staying in the worst category,
we have the Devil Masks men wore ak the worst
slash dumbest booking decision.
Speaker 1: I'll take this one first, and for me, it's a
I have seen this heel turn at the like it's there.
The moment is good, but because after the fame we
found there's no plan and it pretty much just a
pivot because Rock was mad that Cody went't turn. In retrospect,
it's looking at everything, it's like this, the stone cold
heel turn at the moment was great, but in retrospect
like that should never happen. So that's more of the bottom.
This is why I ragged on and they almost saved
it but still didn't. I hated the raw Netflix premiere
of Rock for some reason, giving Cody Holmes the speech
bout I love you man, you really are the QB
and you put the whole company on your back.
Speaker 3: It's like, man, you guys just had this blood.
Speaker 4: For you know. That was a booking decision. To be honest,
that's true.
Speaker 3: But it's true Rocks booking decisions.
Speaker 6: I'll say that just wait til you get to mind.
Speaker 3: That's why I still have number one. It's no surprise.
Speaker 1: I still say worst WrestleMania ending of all time, fiend
Travis Scott with no Rock.
Speaker 3: It's disappointing. It was just bloon out of the air.
And I do think that wrestling goes and ebbs and flows.
That was the official You could feel people starting to
be more critical of Triple H and the product again,
and since then we've had more instances, but that was
like the I think Triple AH had made mistakes, but
never dropped the ball, never threw an interception like that
that I don't care what they say, like, well, he's
connected to the Rock and Rock wasn't here. You don't
have Travis, you don't do that.
Speaker 1: You don't do the the the u Nito Wrestle Kingdom
entrance where Tras Scott takes ten minutes. Again, it was
it's something that I'll still never I understand Trescott. You
could get that interfearings, remember that.
Speaker 4: Where you're like hit you were Cody at the crossroads
on Trevis Scott those buffs every time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, payback for what he had just yeah.
Speaker 4: I gots which is like you did like amorrow.
Speaker 3: That's where it's just there's a way to do that.
Speaker 1: And the fact that no one in the room sat
went back like we can't do it this way, right,
Let's just have him come through the crowd, have him
run down hit fiend after like I don't know, very odd.
So yeah, it has to be Trascott at Man. Yeah,
just one of the worst wrestling bookings ever for me,
that's that's up there, So what about you, David.
Speaker 2: My worst booking decision is letting The Rock be involved
with booking period, every every everything involving him for the
last calendar. The board member man has been absolutely terrible.
Speaker 5: That is.
Speaker 3: The NXT promo was worth it, though, Man, he was
hard beyond.
Speaker 1: I don't think The Rock was doing cocaine, but if
you're to tell me was, I would believe in the
next d pro he was doing.
Speaker 3: He had a couple of zoa's going through his body
that night he was on something else.
Speaker 6: So and you forg get on that Netflix premiere one.
Speaker 2: Even before he started glazing over Cody, he threatened the
board of Netflix and bringing out the fact that they
had all the issues with the Jake Paul fight beforehand
and things like that, so like you just shiit on Netflix.
Speaker 4: Like he was back to doing like the dumb like
like like like PG Rock jokes. He was like yeah,
and they're like, oh, if like if the streams goes out,
I'm gonna go squid games on your ass or something
like that.
Speaker 1: Like he was being very Hollywood two and three Rock
two where he's like overly cheesy and.
Speaker 6: It was bad, just bad.
Speaker 2: So everything involved with The Rock being involved with the
booking is my number one. My number two is uh
Hook and Samoa Joe and everything that went into Smojo
winning the championship. It was just it was odd, like,
oh where Hook now has gone from this to this
and AOPs dojo?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like and then we're coming on and like beating
up twenty guys and all was awkward Like that whole
last ten minutes was again, why does no one sit
back and be like, let's just change this up a
little bit, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a local wrestler in any town,
you got to be excited because you know you're going
to get booked on the show as a member of
the Ops every week. But other than that, like, I
don't understand what's going on with anything to do with
the Ops, anything to do with Hook right now, this
Smote joseup.
Speaker 6: It was just it was weird. But no, The Rock
is step being involved in booking is definitely the worst
for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, subs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I said, I have five like always, but
five I have EO Sky not wrestling for like two
months after wrestling yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was weird, just like she was an injury.
As far as we know, she wasn't injury. That was
that was weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just like for no reason at all really,
and like she was finally gonna wrestle and then Live
got injured too, But I mean I can't put that
on her, but but yeah, it was just very dumb
booking decision. Simple. That's really the simplest one I have here,
I'm saying. With the next one, which is just like
the Jordan Grace not winning anything in NXT, I have
done it four just kind of like I mean, she
could have won something.
Speaker 3: I feel like, give her up three week one, give
her a week run or something, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even like the and I love jay Z Jane
title right and her winning the title, but Jordan like
having this like twenty twenty minute also match against Stephanie
like the night before, and then jac just like wins it,
like like you're gonna like if you knew stefinitely had
to drop the title unless you learned like that day,
Like I would have just given it to Jordan for
a while and then Jacy beat her. Yeah, but then three,
I mean this already start getting to real stuff. I
just have early twenty twenty five death riders, and I'm
talking rock and Roll Express, cleaning fluid on Orange Fast
or rat.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, I would add that I forgot about
the rock and Roll Express stuff, that there was some
really bad dynamite stuff that that definitely deserves a shout out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just all of it together. It's one two, the
same kind of as both of you guys. I'm putting
all of it together. I said Travis Scott at Mania
no rock sceneor retirement too, our scene it He'll run
just all of it together into one.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: And I have that at too, because my number one
is Brock returning because to me that was just like, yeah,
that is worse to me than just like bad Travis Scott,
like Trescott doing a bad run in that WRESTLINGIA.
Speaker 3: No, you're right, I would actually put that number one.
Speaker 1: I kind of forget about that, but that that is true,
especially after everything that happened.
Speaker 3: That is truly just af one.
Speaker 4: Especially it led to nothing.
Speaker 3: Like nothing, and like people looked at the analytics like
when he was on TV, didn't really like boost the rating.
It's like, okay, you got some clicks on TikTok and
stuff like that. Cool, but it's like if you don't
really care about brock Lesson twenty twenty six anymore, you know,
there's a certain group of people they'll tune in and
then that's it. They'll be done with it. So and
then they just pay them all this money. So yeah,
that's that's a good one. Okay, Now we get some.
Speaker 1: Positive stuff because now we got our last four. We
got Rest of the Year, Tag Team.
Speaker 3: The Year, Show of the Year, and Match the Year, David,
who are your tag teams of the Year?
Speaker 6: Tag Team of the Year? Is Bandido or Brorodito? Yeah yeah,
bro Dido. I mean they they surprised me.
Speaker 2: They put on some good showings, had some fun matches,
had some cool inventive tag team combinations, Like every match
they're pulling out some new weird ass tag team move,
and it was it was just absolutely fun to watch them.
So Broddo just hands and above takes.
Speaker 4: It for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll go because Brote is mind too.
Speaker 4: I had as well.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, I had like actually for fun, like
in other categories like Charlotte and Lexai thought it was great,
like not the.
Speaker 3: Matches, but the been considering it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the unit I had Young Bucks because they had
that great match with Brideto, and I actually loved Broke
Young Bucks for offer gimmick wise, I love the templates
they're dressed in the boiler room.
Speaker 3: They can't negative account on that. Yeah, like already ring
the Jar Engines of me. Those ones are so good.
Speaker 4: So I was there for that one live like already
and it was great because live like I saw like
they were playing the video on the tront and they
just walked out in the dark like all sad into
the ring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I had them number two, but had
to be broddel. I hope they returned to I know
people keep pitching that Bro's gonna.
Speaker 3: Turn on them. I really don't want that.
Speaker 1: I want like it sucks because I guess lots of
people have stated that, like tk's big plans for Bandido
in twenty twenty six, so of course do that.
Speaker 3: It just sucks like a.
Speaker 4: Brody turns stay that for like when Bandido it's like
one the world had already.
Speaker 1: I agree, yeah, keep them friends for now, but it
sucks that they want to do these singles push when
this take team like just happened.
Speaker 3: But I get it.
Speaker 1: We got to get to edge Christian versus FDR. We
got all this stuff, So I just hope Brody King
doesn't get lost in it. But yeah, I suppose you
said your broddo as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for some reasons. I mean I couldn't say it
was like a super weak year, but they definitely stood
out more than anyone else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say there just wasn't multiple like even like Fracks.
I felt like they kind of took a seat because
they're on smack Down, right, And that's why I even hope,
like Jetspeed next you're gonna have some bigger matches.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Okay, in that same vein Wrestler of the year, who
you got about who's your wrestler of the year?
Speaker 4: Well, or which one are we saying? For last what category?
Speaker 3: I put Match of the Year because I thought Match
of the Year was or wise or some reveal.
Speaker 4: You goes really.
Speaker 2: Order.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but for my wrestler earlier, I mean it's an
easy number one for me with no me with no
honorable mention of the Zeo Scott, I thought.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, David, it's yours.
Speaker 2: Uh so I had my wrestler's broken down into men
and women. So for men, I'm sticking with my man
at the beginning of the year. Due to injury, he
wasn't really around at the end of the year, and
that's will Osprey because every match of his was just
absolute banger after banger. Sucks that he got hurt, but
I mean even in that cage match with Omega and them.
Speaker 6: Like he was like the shining moment of that.
Speaker 2: And then for women's I have Eo, Like she was
just EO was amazing in every match that they put her,
and yet it sucks that they had that two months
where she wasn't wrestling, but from WrestleMania to the stuff
she's doing now, her flipping off the top of the
cage with the trash can, everything that winning the tag team, Like,
EO has just been that girl for them and like
I'm glad that she's been that girl. Honorable mention for
women would be Tony Storm because again also puts on
amazing matches, and Tony Storm, I feel like, is the
whole package when it comes to wrestling. Puts on good matches,
great character work, great promos, everything about it just shines.
Speaker 6: But Eo was just on another level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I haven't had a top three because
they had like there is the men, the women, But
the problem is I got the women, tied the men,
and my overall pick is I got hanger On there,
I got the Hangman because for me, it's a calmo
of the matches, but also the character stuff and I
hope you didn't get lost this year. I love the
current Hayman character of just the crazed look in his eye,
that frazzled beard, the when he grows his hair out,
everything from obviously it's carried over from the Swerve story
of last year, but continuing on throughout the year.
Speaker 3: I really liked that stuff. And other than maybe like
some hiccup with Jeff Jarrett, but like and as quality Mattress.
Speaker 1: He had that match with Losspray, he had the match
with Maxley, which was like a great moment. He's other
great stuff he had. We just talked about that match
with Will Hobbs, like he's such a dependable guy.
Speaker 3: He is like the main character.
Speaker 1: And then for if there was women, even then I'd
say it's like tied for second would be Io. But
then I also got Mercedes. Mercedes when she came back
to AW I was worried that first year. I was like,
you know what, she had too much time off. She's
just getting the bag. She's gonna a kind of coast
until we get back to WWE. This year multiple matches
that I was at least a four, but she really
impressed me.
Speaker 3: And I think she did carry division all. She did
a bunch of other stuff too, but she she was phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I think a couple of things like the last Statlander
and the toy Storm match didn't reach the heights, but
then she had that amazing series with Chris Statlander the
first time, like that first stat match was incredible. So yeah,
it's kind of like a two way tie there, but
I got hanged mat as by number one there so.
Speaker 3: And then I'll go for this one.
Speaker 1: I'm talking now show the year I actually got a tie.
I got and I guess if I had a preference,
i'd go, which was all In twenty twenty five. I
do have there, But then next was Evolution twenty twenty five.
I think like there's like the Battle Royal and Evolution,
Like there's a couple of.
Speaker 3: Spots like that's all right, but same as All in
so I think all It has just a bigger, grander scale.
It's like the epic ness. But Evolution just had multiple
great match.
Speaker 1: After great match, some great moments. So yeah, those two
shows for me were pretty like one A one B
to me.
Speaker 3: So all In yeah, well that too, right, it was
just like both that's probably a lot of the two,
just like we have to compete and whatnot. But yeah,
all In In Evolution twenty twenty five did be honestly
a tie for me. So what about U? S Bops?
Speaker 4: I had Evolution as my normal one?
Speaker 3: What about you, David?
Speaker 6: I had all In with Evolution as my number two.
Speaker 4: So yeah, we've got time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well the gimmicks of time, which makes sense. I
feel like those are the shows I saw the most too.
Speaker 1: It's just like it was just twenty four hours forty
hours of great wrestling moments, right.
Speaker 4: Events sad Goldberg didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, alright, match of the year. This is like imasgine.
You guys have like multileaner mentions, right, So I have.
Speaker 4: A top five with like ten no legends.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's just.
Speaker 1: Let's do our top five because I got my Oh
you have a top five ten leven let's see, let's
do our top five just for time sake. Care I
gotta get my vally, but you can round off. That's
about like quick. You can round off all your your
lists and everything like that.
Speaker 4: My honorable mentions, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right yeah, throw them all out there, out there.
Speaker 4: Javon versus Leon Slater and TNA Bound for Glory. I
have JC versus Lolo, Like I said, I just love
that match Live Women's Iron Survivor. Javon versus O bet
heat Wave, Bailey versus Lyra two out of three falls.
I've Hangman versus Moxley. Texas death is in my honorable mentions.
Didn't make my top five, Viking versus Gable at World's Collide,
Jerman Grace versus Stephanie Naomi versus Nia Jackson. Like that
first SmackDown of the year they randomly had, like it's
like twenty five minute banger match no one remembers because
that's the one where Tiffany cashes it afterwards. But then
then at Osprey versus Takeshta on Dynamite. That was a
Owen Hart match, which is just like an amazing match
than Guntha versus Punk Summer Slam and Punk versus Roman
versus seth at Mania.
Speaker 3: All right, those are some good ones. Yeah, okay, give us,
give you your top five now you're actually.
Speaker 4: My top five? Is my number five is one's point
on anyone else's list. But it is Praxium versus Brigs
and Inner Mora nxt Vengines. This was like, this is
just like a five star match for me. And it's
only like I went back and looked, it's only like
it's less than fifteen minutes long. But I mean that's
what I love, just like these short, awesome matches, and
that one just stuck to me for the whole year
because it was just like it was just an awesome match.
I remember they just did some crazy stuff in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Four, I've gave Kid versus Kenny omegat Wressell Dynasty because
this is like, this is a great time just watching
it live and just like how long it was going
on when we were in the discord just talking about
the show, and this is a this is just an
and I'll see this is Kenny's return match after being
injured for so long, and to see him come back
and have this insane match, which just great. Three I
have Cody versus CeNAT Summer Slam, because this to me
just like completely redeems their wrestling match and this is
just awesome, like you said, that's final sequence of just
like super Cody versus Supersena, just kicking out of everything,
tearing down the ropes and putting Cody in the STF,
people in the crowd like by the end, like people
wanted Seena to win this, Like when it's Cody in
the STF with the rope, the pop is insane, Like
he probably got a bigger pop there than Cody got
for winning the title at the end of the match,
because it was just like Loston Casina turned face like
literally like two nights but more randomly, and now he
was back to being good guy Sena and Supersena and
this was just like maybe one of the all time
peaks of super Scena in terms of what he picked
out of and what he did in this match. Two
at Ria versus EO at Evolution, Uh, this is just
like just an awesome main event, like they did like
the true like ww main event style that they get.
They let the men do, they let the women do
here with the crowd fighting and EO jumping off the
thing in the crowd. I hones say all the stuff
in ring the ref bumps, you know, they did all
the stuff that that a main event should do, and
honestly ending with Naomi cashing in, which I had as
one of my best moments. So at number one, I
had the match that, honestly, I think if people ask
me what my favorite match of all time is, I
would probably say this one, which is Ria versus Bianca
versus EO at Wrestlevania. And I'm already talked about it
so much so many other times that I don't even
have to say anything else about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, David, what are your match or matches?
All right?
Speaker 6: So two honorable mentions.
Speaker 2: That's Cody Versusena at some guests is the better match,
and I love Cody's entrance.
Speaker 6: On that match.
Speaker 2: And then I have will Ospray versus Swerves Strickland as well.
Speaker 6: Under my honorable mentions, my.
Speaker 2: Top five would be Kenny versus Gabe Kid from New
Japan that was just like Kenny going back to being
New Japan, Kenny Osprey versus Hangman in the at Double,
and nothing for the Owen hart Uh Hangman versus Mocks
for the Championship, like just everything from Hangman's entrance with
the lady doing the whistling for it, the old school music,
him winning everything with that is great. Then the Women's
WrestleMania Triple Threat that was just a banger of a match.
And my best match of the year is the Hollywood
Ending because everything about that match, I mean, the only
thing that would have made that better is card placement.
There's nothing that I think could have made that match
better other than its placement on the card.
Speaker 6: That was just an amazing, amazing match.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, I might have one of those somewhere, but okay,
So for honorable mentions, I got five of them. I
got Brodino versus Young Bucks I talked about in the
Tech Team. They just randomly had this amazing match on
Dynamite that I absolutely loved, as I just fully bought in.
I did have Cody and Super Cody and Super Sena
at Summer Slam's Honorable mention. I got the the Ria
versus EO and then the Naomi Cash in there because
I just I feel the same way about it as
I do. Is Rock in Austin seventeen that they're having
like the greatest wrestum in main event and then like the.
Speaker 3: Endings way, it's just like same things, Like it's still great.
Speaker 1: That Iomi and the cash and happens, but I honestly
wanted the result of the of the end, like I
wanted like that full pin and then the cash and after,
but still deserves it there and I could probably make
an argument for me in the top five.
Speaker 3: There where did my list go? I went away? I
got actually this one.
Speaker 1: I really liked Bailey, Becky and Lyra that Evolution Triple
Threat as well. Obviously not as good as the other ones,
but still I had Moxley and Adam Paige more so
big moments we kind of knew it was gonna happen,
but still a good time.
Speaker 3: And then I had Takesha versus Ishi. I'm not sure
you guys remember this, but that was the same yeah
that wrestled Dynasty Show and just Ishy and Takesha just
had like this random like four point five, just like
banging each other up. So I really like that. But
uh yeah, my top five is I got Punked and
Gunther four. I got Tony and Maria at the Hood
Ending three, I got hang in Osprey. Two.
Speaker 1: I got the WRESTLEMANI a triple threat with Ria EO
and Bianca, which yeah, I'd say is probably the greatest
triple threat of all time. I'd have to think about it,
but it's up.
Speaker 3: There and this is more sentimental. But I got Gabe
and Kenny.
Speaker 1: I have to see Kenny the three again. I have
to see if my goat like, because I was worried.
I was like, man, what's it gonna be?
Speaker 3: And they I know gave Kid is more of a
brawler and a fighter, but I didn't think they were
gonna have this match.
Speaker 1: I didn't think Kenny's first match back after a tip
of Tickeolitis was gonna be this stuff. And it was crazy.
And it's like David says, where I love aw been
there the whole time. I'll be there till it keeps
going or dies. But there's that Japan or yeah, there's
Kenny has never been that same restive he has been
in Japan that he has been in AW.
Speaker 3: I think AW.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, whether it's why t k book
somewhere he's more around his like I guess he was
his friend around his friends of Japan. There's just somewhere
he can still be great in top tier, but new Japan, Kenny,
there's something that's.
Speaker 3: A god level tier.
Speaker 1: There's just something in the air where it's just and
just I don't think this is true, but it just
like he takes it more serious in Japan. I don't
know why that is, but there's just something about him.
So it was that and just the opposite en we're
game kids like this, I don't give a fuck. I'm
gonna just like I'm gonna kill this guy.
Speaker 3: And he won too, Like Kenny winning wud surprised me too,
So I'm hoping we can recapture some of that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Gabe and Kenny, I remember saw that that.
Like you said, I suppose it was late and we
were in the discord and just being blown away and
it was like a long match too, and from the
first weekend.
Speaker 4: Long and it's felt like twenty like I remember specifically,
it felt like it had been like ten minutes, and
like the announcers that are like like forty minutes of
past or something like that. Oh yeah, they're just going
all out.
Speaker 1: I remember because I was supposed to play call dude
at the boys, like, oh give me twenty five minutes
and I'll be on and it kept.
Speaker 3: Going and I'm like, I'm gonna be a little late.
I me like, yeah, so no, that was uh that
was my favorite of the year.
Speaker 1: But yeah, lots of lot this this like there's tons
of other matches I know I left off and stuff
and we left off that were just great.
Speaker 3: So good to your first im in rings. So there
you go. We have done it, so we would be yeah,
we should be back. Maybe we'll be back for like
a smaller episode because well, I'm just seeing what because
I know we talked Rumble. I yeah, so maybe we've
got for smaller episode. Worst case that we can't do
an episode before Rumble in our chat, we will do
our We can do our changes.
Speaker 1: Because I have to see those next few weeks, so
we can always do the changes there and then announce
them on the Rumble Show because we know the order
of right now it's David S. Bobs than myself, so
we can do that. So if there's no Apple, so
there's for sure gonna be one Rumble weekend, whether it's
the thirty first or February first, if there's another in
the middle kind of tvd on some schedules, and also
just see how many topics and stuff there will be.
But yeah, we'll be back and stay in the gym
and we'll figure that out at some point. But yeah,
we'll be back. There we go big catch up on
the air, our best of thank you gemmen for joining
me as always is a good time and we will
be back in a couple of weeks and it won't
be boring.
Speaker 4: My