Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A here at Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs.
Speaker 1: It's the Gardening Simplified Radio, YouTube and podcast show with
Speaker 1: Stacy Hervella, Me, Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer
Speaker 1: Adrianna Robinson. Well today, Stacy, let's talk about peach. And
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit fuzzy as far as peaches are concerned.
Speaker 2: Is that what you want to do the show? We
Speaker 2: just had that pun waiting, it's not come up on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: Would I do something like that?
Speaker 2: I mean, if you had a pun burning a hole
Speaker 2: in your pocket, so to speak, I wouldn't put it
Speaker 2: past You're just saying.
Speaker 1: Thank you, very mulch. Well, the poor peach suffers from
Speaker 1: a bit of an identity crisis. You will see people
Speaker 1: calling it apricot, salmon, terra cotta, even light coral, all
Speaker 1: words that describe the same range of colors. I know
Speaker 1: from experience, for example, with tulips, many of them that
Speaker 1: are or what I would call peach are called apricot.
Speaker 1: And then you throw nectarine into the mix, and now
Speaker 1: well you have chaos. Think of the color peach and
Speaker 1: what pops into your head. If you remember the eighties,
Speaker 1: like me, it's probably things like bridesmaid dresses and loose
Speaker 1: fitting suits and jackets worn on the television show Miami Vice.
Speaker 1: But the color peach can be a garden problem solver.
Speaker 1: Peach is one of the freshest, most flexible colors you
Speaker 1: can incorporate into a garden design. So here's how I
Speaker 1: want you to think about it. I want you to
Speaker 1: think of peach as the tactful friend that keeps oversized
Speaker 1: garden personalities from acting out.
Speaker 2: Ooh, that's interesting. I'd like my oversized garden personalities to
Speaker 2: act up personally. And I don't have a lot of
Speaker 2: peach in my garden, but this is an and interesting approach.
Speaker 1: Well, think about it. Peach is in my mind, yellow
Speaker 1: and red and white blended together, and so the yellow
Speaker 1: and red kind of stand out, and then you throw
Speaker 1: in the white and you soften it, not really pastel,
Speaker 1: but just kind of make it fuzzy, and you've got
Speaker 1: the color peach, and it's ideal for the garden.
Speaker 2: I guess that's true. I don't have a lot of it,
Speaker 2: but I always do admire peach. Flowering pornias like GM
Speaker 2: always a really good one for some beautiful kind of
Speaker 2: peachy orange colors.
Speaker 1: I like that. Well, we'll give you some peach suggestions.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Of course, the Pantone color for twenty twenty four is
Speaker 1: Peach fuzz. So I looked it up Stacy, and according
Speaker 1: to the executive director there at Pantone Color Institute, she says,
Speaker 1: peach captures our desire to nurture ourselves and others. It's
Speaker 1: a velvety peach tone who's all embracing spirit, enriches mind,
Speaker 1: body and soul. In seeking a hue that echoes are
Speaker 1: innate yearning for closeness and connection. We chose a color
Speaker 1: radiant with warmth and modern elegance, a shade that resonates
Speaker 1: with compassion, offers a tactile embrace and effortless. Effortlessly bridges
Speaker 1: the youthful with the timeless.
Speaker 2: WHOA wow, All that from a color?
Speaker 1: All that from a color? The color peach. Well, it's
Speaker 1: a mix of orange, yellow and white. I misspoke myself,
Speaker 1: really not red yellow and white, but orange yellow and white.
Speaker 2: Well, there's red and orange. So I was thinking you're
Speaker 2: just doing the color wheel thing.
Speaker 1: That yeah, yeah, but a softness to it. So I
Speaker 1: just think that it's one of those ideal colors to
Speaker 1: add sweetness and goodwill and joy to your garden.
Speaker 2: So what do you have that's peach in your garden?
Speaker 2: Well doing all this heavy lift.
Speaker 1: One of my very favorite peach colored plants is a
Speaker 1: proven Winner's Color choice shrub and that is double take
Speaker 1: peach quints.
Speaker 2: Ooh, that is a lovely one.
Speaker 1: That is a stunning, stunning color.
Speaker 2: That is like the epitome of peach. Really in the garden.
Speaker 1: It is rainbow rhythm orange smoothie day lilies. They call
Speaker 1: them orange smoothie, but it doesn't look orange to me.
Speaker 1: And I have a question for you, Stacy. We have
Speaker 1: walked through the trial garden before. A plant that I
Speaker 1: love is at Last rose. I think it's one of
Speaker 1: the most incredible roses that you can grow in your landscape.
Speaker 1: My question for you would be what color do you
Speaker 1: consider it to be? Is it apricot, is it peach?
Speaker 1: Is it orange? What is it?
Speaker 2: I would consider it? We usually refer to it as
Speaker 2: more apricot, So in my eye, apricot is more orange
Speaker 2: than peach, or peach is a little bit like kind
Speaker 2: of lighter, has more white in it, and apricot has
Speaker 2: like a little bit more you know, bright orange to
Speaker 2: it not bright still, but like you know, just it's
Speaker 2: more orange and less white.
Speaker 1: So at last you would view as.
Speaker 2: Being a Yeah. When we were playing around with the
Speaker 2: names for that plant, we were working with a lot
Speaker 2: of variations on apricot. They just didn't make the final cut.
Speaker 1: Well, as it relates to the color peach in your landscape,
Speaker 1: I wrote a little limb a rick for you. Don't
Speaker 1: want something busy to make a scene so distracting. You'll
Speaker 1: need some drama meme. Try a color that isn't demanding,
Speaker 1: that will provide a soft landing and always looks peachy keen.
Speaker 1: Life isn't all peaches and cream, but isn't it fun?
Speaker 1: Just dream? Use soft color and fuzz. You'll be all
Speaker 1: the buzz and make a great Instagram meme. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: this color. It's not overreach to say it's just a peach.
Speaker 1: You may disagree, but opinions are free. I'll exercise my
Speaker 1: free speech.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, I like that.
Speaker 1: I like this color.
Speaker 2: I mean I do like it, I just don't I
Speaker 2: don't actually have it in my garden. But you know what,
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of soft colors in my garden.
Speaker 2: I like bold color. That's my preference. But you know,
Speaker 2: as you were reading that, I was thinking of a
Speaker 2: plant that I actually really do love in peach is yarrow.
Speaker 2: A lot of the new cultivars of yarrow have that
Speaker 2: really beautiful kind of peachy color.
Speaker 1: You're right, there is a firefly peach sky yarrow, light
Speaker 1: peachy orange flowers that age to yellow, which is very neat.
Speaker 1: And then Stacey, Oh, a few weeks ago in an episode,
Speaker 1: you brought up a rose called Flavorret flavorette honey apricot rose.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that is so that one is kind of
Speaker 2: apricot colored. But the reason that Flavrete honey apricot rose
Speaker 2: is called that is because it actually was developed to
Speaker 2: have a taste reminiscent of apricots. And actually, ironically enough,
Speaker 2: if I had to characterize the color, I would say
Speaker 2: that flavor at honey apricot, despite its apricot flavor, is
Speaker 2: more peach colored than at last, which is more apricot colored.
Speaker 2: But if you're confused, we'll link everything in the show notes.
Speaker 2: You can sort it out. And you know, all of
Speaker 2: this is very subjective whenever it comes to color, and
Speaker 2: particularly when we are talking about colors based on the
Speaker 2: color of something else, whether that's orange or peach or apricot,
Speaker 2: all of which are things that have actual colors in
Speaker 2: the real world. So check out our show notes and
Speaker 2: you can tell us what you think is apricot, what
Speaker 2: you think is peach, and you go orange.
Speaker 1: A new proven Winn's Annual variety in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: which I think is really beautiful. It's a Caliber CoA
Speaker 1: super Bell's double Vintage coral that looks very peach to me.
Speaker 1: And then we've talked before about agistachi or hsup and
Speaker 1: meant to be.
Speaker 2: Queen neck to It's a beautiful plant that and it's peachy,
Speaker 2: Yes it is.
Speaker 1: It's peachy. And bogonias are fantastic for peach color. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I have found through the years
Speaker 1: that if you want some really great peach color in
Speaker 1: your landscape, look to the bulbs, so to speak. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're not bulbs, maybe they're rhizomes or tubers. But when
Speaker 1: you look at bogonias, you look at tulips, you look
Speaker 1: at cannas, you look at gahlias and daffodils. Yes, the
Speaker 1: peach color is just amazing. There is a Selenia Apricot
Speaker 1: Bogonia hybrid. That's a new variety for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Even kalladiums get into the act Heart to heart chinook
Speaker 1: And of course you can't. You can't do a show
Speaker 1: on peach without talking about super beina, peachy keen. Wow,
Speaker 1: that is an amazing that.
Speaker 2: Is Yeah, the archetype of peach colored flowers, I think,
Speaker 2: And you know there are also plants with kind of
Speaker 2: peach colored foliage. Yes, sometimes especially new growth can have
Speaker 2: a kind of orange. Sometimes you see this in our
Speaker 2: Midnight Wine or Midnight Sun Why Gila. You also see
Speaker 2: it a bit in our double Play Blue because you
Speaker 2: spyriea just on the brand new growth and in a
Speaker 2: plant that was featured in past plants on Trial Kodiak
Speaker 2: Orange Dravilla. So it is very orange, but as when
Speaker 2: the foliage, the new new growth starts to emerge, it
Speaker 2: can be have kind of a peachy tone to it.
Speaker 1: I love that and I'm glad you brought up the
Speaker 1: foliage element because some of the colis you will see
Speaker 1: peach color, like in the Sedona Sunset.
Speaker 2: Oh. I love that variety.
Speaker 1: That is fantastic. And then you know, when you're talking
Speaker 1: about foliage. Even some houseplants I've noticed agglinima or Chinese evergreen,
Speaker 1: some shades of peach in there, and even points set
Speaker 1: he is are getting into the act Christmas time.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, for someone who wants a little twist on
Speaker 2: the classic red and they are very pretty.
Speaker 1: Yes. So it's all peachey, my friends. And that's the
Speaker 1: topic of today's show. We'll see how Stacey ties it
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Speaker 2: The order of the day is peach. The color peach.
Speaker 2: And you know it is interesting is you're listing all
Speaker 2: the sort of permutations of peach that all of these
Speaker 2: colors over any other color I think are named after
Speaker 2: something else. So there's salmon, there's apricot, there's peach, there's orange.
Speaker 2: That doesn't happen with any other colors.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. And before coming to the studio today,
Speaker 1: I looked in my closet thinking maybe I'll wear a
Speaker 1: peach shirt. I don't have one.
Speaker 2: You know, I had the same thoughts, and I also
Speaker 2: do not have a peach shirt. But I thought it
Speaker 2: was interesting that you brought up the eighties fashion because
Speaker 2: I was in my aunt's wedding as a junior bridesmaid
Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties and my bridesmaid dress was indeed peach.
Speaker 1: Everyone at the bridesmaids were all wearing peach, and the
Speaker 1: guys were wearing mint green.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, peach and mint That was like the thing,
Speaker 2: that was the thing.
Speaker 1: I mean even appliances too.
Speaker 2: Now there's probably a lot of people out there who
Speaker 2: would love nothing more than some vintage eighties or mint
Speaker 2: green and peach appliances. It has truly come around. But
Speaker 2: this is about plants, not the nineteen eighties appliances. And
Speaker 2: you know, when it comes to plants on trial, of course,
Speaker 2: I had to pick a peach plant. And our absolute
Speaker 2: peachiest plant Rick has already mentioned, and that is double
Speaker 2: take peach flowering quints, which is a beautiful spring flowering shrub,
Speaker 2: But it just seemed, you know, unnatural to me to
Speaker 2: talk about a spring flowering shrub in the middle of
Speaker 2: August when there's so much else going on in the garden.
Speaker 2: You don't know, one wants to think about spring yet.
Speaker 2: They're getting ready for Halloween, and so I wanted to
Speaker 2: pick something that was a little bit more seasonal, and
Speaker 2: for me, the plant that I picked is Ringo All
Speaker 2: Star rose.
Speaker 1: It's a beauty.
Speaker 2: It is a beauty, and it's a very interesting rose.
Speaker 2: So I want to kind of talk about some of
Speaker 2: the things that make this rose so different, but first
Speaker 2: I want to kind of give you a picture of
Speaker 2: what it looks like. As the name Ringo may start
Speaker 2: to imply it is, it's characterized by this central ring
Speaker 2: in the flower and color changes. So there are actually
Speaker 2: four roses in the Ringo series. The original Ringo, which
Speaker 2: is yellow and red, Ringo All Star, which we're talking
Speaker 2: about today, Ringo Double Pink, which is a doubled version,
Speaker 2: and then there is Rise Up Ringo, which is a
Speaker 2: climbing version of the yellow Ringo, And all of these
Speaker 2: have a very distinctive red eye in the center and
Speaker 2: the petals actually change color as the flower matures and ages,
Speaker 2: so you're actually getting a number of different colors on
Speaker 2: any of these plants at any given time. And rinku
Speaker 2: all Star, as you might have guessed, is the closest
Speaker 2: to peach. So when the flower opens, the outer petals
Speaker 2: are kind of like a deep pinky orange shading to
Speaker 2: peach in the center and then that bright red ring.
Speaker 2: But then as that bloom ages, what happens is that
Speaker 2: orange pink goes to pink, the peach goes to what
Speaker 2: I would probably describe as a more accurate because you know,
Speaker 2: peaches themselves are kind of actually a little bit yellow,
Speaker 2: especially if you have like a yellow peach. You know,
Speaker 2: there's the white peaches those are more peach than the
Speaker 2: yellow peaches, which are yellow and peach. Wow, this is
Speaker 2: getting confusing, So true peach with a little bit of
Speaker 2: yellow there in the center as it ages, and then
Speaker 2: that red ring takes on some pink and then has
Speaker 2: this plant which does not need dead heading to flower.
Speaker 2: All summer goes on in blooms, You're getting all these
Speaker 2: flowers at all these different stages at once, and it
Speaker 2: really makes for a very interesting and dynamic show where
Speaker 2: you're going to get a lot of different colors at once,
Speaker 2: and that's a lot more interesting then, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really neat. And I'm reading my notes here
Speaker 1: because this is not something I know. But you talk
Speaker 1: about a parentage being Haltemia haultemia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so ulmia.
Speaker 1: That sounds like somebody who wrestles in the World Wrestling Federation, you.
Speaker 2: Know what, It would be a good name for a
Speaker 2: professional wrestler, and you are about to find out why.
Speaker 2: So so this plant the Ringo series and other series
Speaker 2: that you might see out there that look similar with
Speaker 2: this very distinctive central ring are from are developed from
Speaker 2: a rose known as Rosa persica, and that was originally
Speaker 2: known as Holtemia. So that's h U l T h
Speaker 2: E m i a Holtemia, and it is a true rose,
Speaker 2: but it used to be classified in its own genus
Speaker 2: of Holtemia, and Holtemia or Rosa persica is actually a
Speaker 2: desert rose, a native to Persia, native to Persia, as
Speaker 2: you might have guessed from the persica there in the
Speaker 2: name Prunas persica. Oh my gosh, synchronicity. Prunas persica is
Speaker 2: the scientific name for peach, so it's all coming together.
Speaker 1: How it comes together, even on the fly, operating by
Speaker 1: the seat of our plants. Don't try this.
Speaker 2: At home exactly. So this is a plant that is
Speaker 2: native to very dry desert areas of Iran and Iraq
Speaker 2: and other areas around the Middle East, and if you
Speaker 2: were to see Rosa persica or Holtemia in bloom in
Speaker 2: those areas, you probably would not think that it is
Speaker 2: a rose in any way, shape or form, even though
Speaker 2: the flower itself does resemble a rose, and it actually
Speaker 2: looks quite a bit like ringo, just a little bit
Speaker 2: more wild. The yellow is much more deep, and the
Speaker 2: red in the center is very very intense. The plant
Speaker 2: itself is actually kind of a sprawling, weedy subshrub, and
Speaker 2: the foliage is blue, so it's this beautiful, unique blue
Speaker 2: color spiny. The stems and leaves are quite spiny, with
Speaker 2: almost like a fish hook spine that kind of curves
Speaker 2: back in on itself, and then the buds are absolutely
Speaker 2: covered in spines, so like a little bit like a
Speaker 2: beech rose Rosa ragosa if you're familiar with that, but
Speaker 2: the spines are probably like an inch long. So this
Speaker 2: thing is saying to predators stay the heck away. It's
Speaker 2: growing in the desert with a long taproot. Now this
Speaker 2: is straight species, minds you. Not the ringo are the
Speaker 2: ones that we're going to be growing in our gardens.
Speaker 2: Like I said, it is typically a weed that grows
Speaker 2: on the edges of fields, and I was reading that
Speaker 2: after farmers harvest their fields of whatever crap they were growing,
Speaker 2: they will then harvest any Rosa persica or Holtemia growing
Speaker 2: on the outskirts and they use that for fuel because
Speaker 2: roses are actually very high in oil, and so they
Speaker 2: will actually use the fruits that are formed by the
Speaker 2: end of the season to make oil and use that
Speaker 2: for a fuel. So we'll put a picture of Holtemia
Speaker 2: or Rosa persica in the show notes as well as
Speaker 2: in the YouTube version if you are interested in that,
Speaker 2: and you'll see the similarities at least in the flower.
Speaker 2: But then you'll see that foliage you'll be like, whoa,
Speaker 2: these are not similar at all? What's going on? Well? Fortunately,
Speaker 2: Rosa persica is also very amenable to plant breeding, so
Speaker 2: it was able to cross very readily with other roses,
Speaker 2: and that's not always the case even closely related plants
Speaker 2: like this. In the same botanical genus might not cross
Speaker 2: well because of their chromosome counts. Well, Fortunately, Rosa persica
Speaker 2: is one of those that's just like you know me,
Speaker 2: with whatever, I will make a new plan and we
Speaker 2: will resolve each other's liabilities and make something even better.
Speaker 2: And that's what happened with Ringos. So the person who
Speaker 2: did the hybridizing of the Ringo series, he is a
Speaker 2: brilliant rose breeder named Chris Warner in the UK. He
Speaker 2: has probably been responsible for around eighty percent of the
Speaker 2: roses in the Proven Winner's brand, So if you have
Speaker 2: a Proven Winner's rose, there's a very likely chance that
Speaker 2: it was developed by Chris Warner. Chris developed all of
Speaker 2: the Ringos series and he is just a lifelong rose
Speaker 2: breeder who is just absolutely devoted to roses and to
Speaker 2: making roses more disease resistant and more beautiful so more
Speaker 2: people can enjoy them. He's really one of those kind
Speaker 2: of breeders who just wants to share his passion and
Speaker 2: he knows that to do that, not everyone is going
Speaker 2: to devote the time and energy that they need to
Speaker 2: have really great looking roses. So he's like, I love roses,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to make them easier to grow and
Speaker 2: then no one has an excuse not.
Speaker 1: To grow, and he did that with Rise Up Lilac days.
Speaker 2: Yes, so he is a breeder of Rise Up Lilac Dace,
Speaker 2: which is Adriana's favorite rose, and in fact, I would
Speaker 2: say it's probably pretty much anyone who sees its favorite rose.
Speaker 2: It is so beautiful and so fragrant. You can actually
Speaker 2: see it in our rose video which is available on
Speaker 2: our YouTube channel. But all of this talk about the
Speaker 2: parentage of this, of Ringo all Star rows being from
Speaker 2: the desert the one of the parents, it really says
Speaker 2: a lot about how heat tolerant roses can actually be. Now,
Speaker 2: this is hardy down to USDA Zone four, heat tolerant
Speaker 2: through about USDA Zone eight, and because it does have
Speaker 2: that desert parentage, it is not a huge fan of humidity.
Speaker 2: So if you are in like a Mediterranean zone eight
Speaker 2: or nine, southern California something like that, you'll probably actually
Speaker 2: have much better luck with us than someone who is
Speaker 2: in a human zone eight like in Georgia or Florida.
Speaker 2: It's really not going to appreciate being grown in humid conditions,
Speaker 2: So if you are trying to grow it, if you
Speaker 2: love this planet. It's easy to love it's so beautiful,
Speaker 2: and you live in a hot, humid climate. I would
Speaker 2: say this is one rose you are going to want
Speaker 2: to definitely pay attention to the spacing on. It's going
Speaker 2: to be about two to three feet tall and three
Speaker 2: feet wide, so make sure you respect that and give
Speaker 2: it a good one and a half to two feet
Speaker 2: on all sides. By giving it really really good air circulation,
Speaker 2: you can help to reduce some of that disease pressure
Speaker 2: that might occur since this is not a humidity loving rose,
Speaker 2: and of course fungal leaf spots do love humidity. So
Speaker 2: full sun, good air circulation and you should actually get
Speaker 2: a really great performance out of Ringo all Star or
Speaker 2: any of the roses whatever color. If you're looking for peach,
Speaker 2: of course that's Ringo all Star. I think we've also
Speaker 2: described it as cantalope colored. If we want to just
Speaker 2: keep bringing the fruits into this, but take your pick,
Speaker 2: look at all of them. We will link them all
Speaker 2: in the show notes and you can let us know
Speaker 2: which of the ringos you like best.
Speaker 1: Understanding the parentage. I appreciate that story and it helps
Speaker 1: you in growing the plant or placing the plant properly. Also,
Speaker 1: I mean that's great. I thought this rose was named
Speaker 1: after Ringo, Star of the Beetles.
Speaker 2: Oh it is?
Speaker 4: It is?
Speaker 2: Yeah as well? Oh and it has a ring in it?
Speaker 2: Get it?
Speaker 1: Are you more than I thought? I?
Speaker 2: You sure do?
Speaker 3: So.
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Speaker 2: get back to you. You know, it is August. It
Speaker 2: is the middle of August. But it's funny how it
Speaker 2: seems like after the first week, it just like fall.
Speaker 2: It just turns into fall, even though we're still technically
Speaker 2: six weeks hour, you know, a good month out from
Speaker 2: true autumn. We're close to meteorological autumn, which will start
Speaker 2: at the beginning of September, and it's just kind of like,
Speaker 2: even though it's still summer and we're vacationing and it's hot,
Speaker 2: it's just kind of like everybody's brain starts turning to fall.
Speaker 2: And I've noticed in opticking questions about things that are
Speaker 2: going to start becoming relevant in a fall.
Speaker 1: And I think it's because there's so much that happens
Speaker 1: in fall. School starts, football, all this stuff.
Speaker 2: I think that's why do Yeah, definitely, so if you
Speaker 2: have a question about what to do now what to
Speaker 2: do in coming up in the fall. Don't forget fault
Speaker 2: is a marvelous planting time, and nurseries very often have sales.
Speaker 2: It's a great time to plant here in Michigan. We
Speaker 2: can easily plant through mid October, if not later. And
Speaker 2: the warmer climate you live in, the longer you can plant.
Speaker 2: So start thinking about those changes that you might want
Speaker 2: to make to your garden as we move into fall.
Speaker 2: And actually the first question today is a very fall
Speaker 2: related question.
Speaker 1: Yes it is fall planted bulbs, Candy asks Hi, Rick
Speaker 1: and Stacy. I live in Wyoming Zone four B five.
Speaker 1: My area averages four to six feed of snow and
Speaker 1: it doesn't melt until springtime. I would love to plant tulips.
Speaker 1: Last year I tried to plant tulips in a metal
Speaker 1: container because I have deer that eat everything in my garden,
Speaker 1: but they rotted. What am I doing wrong? I thought
Speaker 1: you could plant them in containers or should I give
Speaker 1: up on them? Thanks for your advice, you know, I
Speaker 1: would say for Candy, remember that many of these bulbs,
Speaker 1: like tulips, come from Mediterranean regions, and so drainage is
Speaker 1: so important if you're putting them in pots, good drainage,
Speaker 1: whole lightweight soil in the pots. If you're planting them
Speaker 1: in the ground, good drainage, planting them at least six
Speaker 1: inches deep if they're tulips, and good drainage is one
Speaker 1: of the keys.
Speaker 2: It really is. And you also have to plant them
Speaker 2: up at the right time, so you don't really want
Speaker 2: to necessarily plant them too early. Most if you're buying
Speaker 2: bulbs from a store, they're very often in the store
Speaker 2: earlier than you would ideally want to plant them. If
Speaker 2: you're buying mail order, they will typically ship them at
Speaker 2: the right time for planting. And you know, for you Candy,
Speaker 2: since you are planting into containers, what I would recommend
Speaker 2: you ye is use containers with good drainage holes and
Speaker 2: use fresh potting mix. And typically you're not going to
Speaker 2: get a lot of rotting issues in potting mix because
Speaker 2: it does naturally drain well. That said, there are definitely
Speaker 2: some other things that can go wrong. The plants do
Speaker 2: need to be left outdoors all winter. They need a
Speaker 2: cold treatment. So if they're not getting a cold treatment
Speaker 2: and they're getting watered anyway, they very easily can rot
Speaker 2: because they're not in active growth. So you want them
Speaker 2: to be dormant and they can be out there. You
Speaker 2: don't even have to worry. I mean, obviously, if you've
Speaker 2: got four to sixty feet of snow, you won't be
Speaker 2: able to get them. But if you can have an
Speaker 2: unheated garage or someplace where you can put them where
Speaker 2: they're going to be easy to lift up and move indoors.
Speaker 2: When you're ready, they're going to need, you know, at
Speaker 2: least eight weeks of those cold temperatures, and during that time,
Speaker 2: as long as they're cold, they're not going to rot and.
Speaker 1: The roots are going to develop in the soil. So
Speaker 1: when we say cold, we're not talking about bone chilling,
Speaker 1: frozen like a brick cold. We're talking about chilled temperatures.
Speaker 1: So many times putting them into storage or in the ground,
Speaker 1: but seeing to it that they don't freeze solid is
Speaker 1: going to be one of the keys. And yes, drainage
Speaker 1: so super important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would try it again. Just make sure
Speaker 2: again your containers are drained. Well, you're using fresh potting mix.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're putting them in a spot where you
Speaker 2: don't have to bring them in early. You can wait
Speaker 2: until all of that snow melts. But it is very
Speaker 2: one of the reasons the benefits really to forcing bulbs
Speaker 2: like this is being able to get those bulbs out
Speaker 2: of the outdoors, bring them in and get that little
Speaker 2: early preview of springtime to get you through until it
Speaker 2: actually comes, especially if you live in a climate like Wyoming.
Speaker 1: Surely writes to us, Hello again, wonderful hosts of a
Speaker 1: wonderful program. Well, thank you very mult Surely, I have
Speaker 1: a six year old, healthy and beautiful ground spread juniper
Speaker 1: that I would like to move. Just wondering if I
Speaker 1: should cut it back first, and if so, how far.
Speaker 1: Also was wondering if you thought it might do well
Speaker 1: along my lakefront. Thanks so much, and you know for surely, Stacey.
Speaker 1: Often I recommend to people to cut back plants to
Speaker 1: when you're going to move them, to take some of
Speaker 1: the stress off the plant when you move them. It
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean.
Speaker 3: You have to.
Speaker 1: If it's an older established plant, yes, if it's a
Speaker 1: younger plant that's only been in the ground for a
Speaker 1: year or two, in many cases you can get by
Speaker 1: without it.
Speaker 2: Sure you know, a lot of people don't realize that
Speaker 2: a plant's roots are in direct proportion to its top.
Speaker 2: So if you reduce the root room or if you
Speaker 2: duice the amount of roots it has by digging it.
Speaker 2: When you are going to no matter how careful you are,
Speaker 2: you are going to sit loose some roots. It would
Speaker 2: be impossible not to. So it's a good idea then
Speaker 2: to compensate by removing some of that top because the
Speaker 2: plant isn't necessarily going to be able to support the
Speaker 2: same amount of top growth when it has less root
Speaker 2: growth to do so. But you know, you also don't
Speaker 2: want to do this at the expense of the overall
Speaker 2: aesthetics of your plant. And pruning your groundcover juniper could
Speaker 2: be a little bit tricky, you know. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you could feel like you can get in there
Speaker 2: and maybe just you know, snip out with some sloppers,
Speaker 2: maybe a third of the oldest branches, that might work
Speaker 2: if you're planning to maybe just shorten some of the branches,
Speaker 2: which might make it easier to dig. But I would
Speaker 2: definitely compensate, you know, by taking off perhaps a quarter,
Speaker 2: maybe even a little bit more. Do your best. It's
Speaker 2: not really going to harm the plant as long as
Speaker 2: you're pruning in a way that's not going to change
Speaker 2: the aesthetics. But fall is such a great time for transplanting,
Speaker 2: you know. And if you transplant at a time where
Speaker 2: you're still giving the plant a good six weeks of
Speaker 2: root growth, it's great. Because the plant systems are shutting down.
Speaker 2: It's saying like, hey, it's time for me to go dormant.
Speaker 2: But it's growing all of these roots still and it
Speaker 2: doesn't have to worry about supporting all this top growth.
Speaker 2: It can really devote all of its energies to root growth,
Speaker 2: which is not only going to help it get through winter,
Speaker 2: but make a better start in spring. Now, if you
Speaker 2: can't do it this fall, next spring is also perfectly okay,
Speaker 2: you just want to do it early. And as far
Speaker 2: as growing on your lake front, yeah, I mean, junipers
Speaker 2: are very very drought tolerant, very wind tolerant. It can
Speaker 2: easily handle growing in an exposed area. So just make
Speaker 2: sure that you're giving it plenty of water as it
Speaker 2: settles in it to compensate for all of that lost route.
Speaker 1: We see many junipers growing along the lake shore of
Speaker 1: Lake Michigan, right there on the dunes, so they can
Speaker 1: handle it. And yeah, well, said Stacey, the air temperature
Speaker 1: cools down, we get natural rain, so top growth slows
Speaker 1: or stops, but that root growth is going to continue
Speaker 1: because that soil can stay nice and warm well into
Speaker 1: November December. Shalanda writes to us, Greetings, I planted purple
Speaker 1: cone flower from seed last year. Some of them came
Speaker 1: up disformed on the cone flower part. Others were normal
Speaker 1: and planted in the same area and next to a
Speaker 1: deformed one. Have you ever seen this? Do you know
Speaker 1: what's going on here? Thank you for sharing your expertise
Speaker 1: and humor. I hope I got your name right. I
Speaker 1: think it's Slanda And you know I have seen this
Speaker 1: before on cone flowers.
Speaker 2: I have seen it before, and it is a disease
Speaker 2: called astor yellows. So there's a couple of different things
Speaker 2: that cone flowers in anything in the daisy family can
Speaker 2: get and that includes redbeccia. I mean really, any that
Speaker 2: you can think of are susceptible to this. So there
Speaker 2: are some mites, which is a tiny little insect relative
Speaker 2: that can feed on it, and that can look different.
Speaker 2: But Slanda from your photos, I would say this is
Speaker 2: a cut and drug case of astor yellows. Now what
Speaker 2: surprises me though, is that she grew these from seed.
Speaker 2: So astor yellows is a disease that is, it's called
Speaker 2: a phytoplasma, which there's your ten cent word.
Speaker 5: Whork.
Speaker 2: We'll have to make that a future word of the day.
Speaker 1: Did you ever see the Ghostbusters move?
Speaker 2: I think that's ectoplasm, but very similar, and it's spread.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like a bacteria, it's not quite a bacteria.
Speaker 2: It's spread by leaf hoppers. So basically what happens is
Speaker 2: the leaf hoppers hop around from plant a plant. If
Speaker 2: they feed on an infected plant, and it could be
Speaker 2: somewhere in your neighborhood. It doesn't even need to be
Speaker 2: in your yard specifically, it will transmit this phytoplasma into
Speaker 2: your plant. So what I think probably happened this was
Speaker 2: not an issue of the seed or anything that you did.
Speaker 2: Probably as the plants were starting to emerge this season,
Speaker 2: some of them got the leaf hopper and it fed
Speaker 2: on it and transmitted this disease. And you know, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: there is no cure for aster yellows, and it is
Speaker 2: recommended that any plant that is showing signs be removed
Speaker 2: and destroyed because if you don't, it's just creating more
Speaker 2: astor yellows because more leaf hoppers will feed on it
Speaker 2: and then spread it to more plants. So just because
Speaker 2: these couple of plants had it doesn't mean the others
Speaker 2: are going to get it. I have had astor yellows
Speaker 2: here and there in my garden, like on my sulpium,
Speaker 2: which look amazing right now, and I love them, and
Speaker 2: I've just dug them and discarded them and then it
Speaker 2: doesn't show up again. So it can be very very
Speaker 2: localized like that. So I would recommend destroy these specific
Speaker 2: plants at least you won't have lost your whole crop,
Speaker 2: and be vigilant. Look for it to possibly appear on
Speaker 2: other daisies. And if you see it, do you make
Speaker 2: sure you're throwing it away. And if you happen to
Speaker 2: prune or use a tool, just to be safe, I
Speaker 2: would recommend disinfecting that with a full strength lysol or
Speaker 2: a bleach or something like that.
Speaker 1: Use the search engine of your choosing type in aster
Speaker 1: yellows and you will learn a lot and see a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for listening and watching the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite interesting and I will put some links
Speaker 2: of course in the show notes if you want to
Speaker 2: do more research, but there's tons and tons of information
Speaker 2: out there, and once you see the pictures, you will
Speaker 2: see it is again a textbook case. So we're going
Speaker 2: to take a little break. When we come back, we
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Today, I'm branching
Speaker 1: news and interview with Laura Roebel's regional product manager from
Speaker 1: Walter's Gardens, Proven Winner's Perennials and Wow. Big reason for
Speaker 1: talking to Laura is to talk about a plant that
Speaker 1: I know we love very much and that is summarific hibiscus.
Speaker 1: Talk about I mean, how can you not love summarific hibiscus?
Speaker 1: And what a great plant, an iconic landscape perennial during
Speaker 1: the month of August with its massive, wide flowers. Laura
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us on the Gardening Simplified Show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: This is a big time of the year for you,
Speaker 1: and summarific hibiscus has got to be I'm gonna guess
Speaker 1: near the top as far as your most popular perennials.
Speaker 1: And am I wrong about that?
Speaker 5: No, you're right.
Speaker 4: We definitely have a ton of interest in it. People
Speaker 4: love the fact that it looks so tropical but is
Speaker 4: actually hearty in this region and even down to his
Speaker 4: own four. So yeah, it's definitely one of our most
Speaker 4: popular perennials.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things I like most about them
Speaker 2: is you know, we have Rosa Sharon of course in
Speaker 2: shrubs and that's only hardy design five. So so a
Speaker 2: lot of people look at that and go, I would
Speaker 2: love to grow that. Well, you can totally make it
Speaker 2: up with the perennial hibiscus, get even bigger flowers, even
Speaker 2: more color, and it goes dormant in the winter.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a pretty spectacular perennial.
Speaker 4: And it's great too for lots of different applications in
Speaker 4: those garden. I mean, if people have like a wet area,
Speaker 4: it's a perfect plant to put in a wet area.
Speaker 4: It just thrives in that condition. But it'll and it'll
Speaker 4: you know, thrive very well in clay worlds, but then
Speaker 4: it'll also grow well in sandy coils.
Speaker 5: So it's it's a pretty adaptable plant.
Speaker 2: And that's how I grow it.
Speaker 1: You know, I have.
Speaker 2: I haven't counted, but I probably have around twenty some total.
Speaker 2: I'm crazy about them and my garden. I live, you know,
Speaker 2: a very very sandy area, very full sun. I don't
Speaker 2: give supplemental irrigation, so they don't get as big. Like
Speaker 2: when I go down to your trial gardens, I'm like,
Speaker 2: whoa the potential in these things? But you know, I'm
Speaker 2: perfectly happy really with their performance even under less than
Speaker 2: ideal conditions, even if it means they only get to
Speaker 2: be you know, maybe three and a half four feet
Speaker 2: tall instead of you know, the big, lush, amazing specimens
Speaker 2: that I see, you know there and in your photos.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes that's not a bad thing if they don't
Speaker 4: get to their full size. And we've actually taken our
Speaker 4: breeding program more recently to intentionally selecting for hardy some
Speaker 4: of our psychhi biscuits that don't get quite as big
Speaker 4: just because you know, not everybody has a big yard
Speaker 4: where they have room for a plant that potentially could
Speaker 4: get up to you know, five feet or six feet across.
Speaker 4: So some of our newer introductions we specifically selected to
Speaker 4: only get to be about three feet wide and three
Speaker 4: feet tall. So yeah, there's you know, there's something for everybody,
Speaker 4: you know, big yard, small yards. Even if people have
Speaker 4: a big yard, these smaller selections can be put you know,
Speaker 4: more near the front or middle of the border that away.
Speaker 5: At the back.
Speaker 4: So some cool habits and colors and all of that
Speaker 4: stuff in our breeding work.
Speaker 1: So when we talk hibiscus, Laura and Stacy, I'm going
Speaker 1: to have you help me out here a moment so
Speaker 1: that we don't assume that our listeners or our viewers
Speaker 1: have a good handle on exactly what a hibiscus is.
Speaker 1: There is some confusion for folks. We have the tropical
Speaker 1: hibiscus or a hibiscus rosa sinensis, which is a plant
Speaker 1: typically brought up from Florida and May and you sell
Speaker 1: around Mother's Day, and Stacy mentioned the shrub or tree
Speaker 1: form highbiscus, which we refer to as rose of Sharon. Here,
Speaker 1: Laura and Stacey, we're talking about perennial or herbaceous perennial, hibiscus,
Speaker 1: And we're going to take a shot at the botanical
Speaker 1: name here a minute, hibiscus. And is it pronounced mosquitos
Speaker 1: as in the insect?
Speaker 5: What is it?
Speaker 4: Laura, that would be that would be pretty cute, But
Speaker 4: it's actually Hibiscus most shootos.
Speaker 2: There you go, Okay, good, that's what I always say.
Speaker 2: But mosquitos, Yeah, that's a Spanish pronunciation.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, But for our benefit, this is an herbaceous
Speaker 1: perennial that dies back to the ground in winter. And Laura,
Speaker 1: one more time for our listeners, what's the.
Speaker 4: Pronunciation hibiscus most shootos?
Speaker 1: Okay, hibiscus most shootos.
Speaker 4: You can actually find the species growing, you know, out
Speaker 4: in the wild. I mean there's some around here in
Speaker 4: West Michigan that I see periodically, and I've seen them
Speaker 4: in other places too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a native perennial. And I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people, you know, when they see what it looks like,
Speaker 2: they just they assume it's from the tropics or from
Speaker 2: South America because it does look so tropical. And of course,
Speaker 2: plant breeding has brought out a lot of the characteristics
Speaker 2: you know, that make it much more ornament till then
Speaker 2: the wild form, but even the wild form is still
Speaker 2: very very showy and really really.
Speaker 5: What it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely dinner plate blooms now at Walter's Gardens,
Speaker 3: which is here in Michigan, Laura, when they are in
Speaker 3: flower over there, that must be quite a sight to see,
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 5: It's pretty spectacular.
Speaker 4: We actually have them and a few different spots in
Speaker 4: our gardens here, so we do have them kind of
Speaker 4: sprinkled throughout the garden, you know, like somebody might use
Speaker 4: in their own landscaping or gardening.
Speaker 5: But then we also have one bed.
Speaker 4: That's entirely dedicated to the hibiscus. We call it our
Speaker 4: high Biscus Hedge, and every single hibiscus in our program
Speaker 4: is lined out, and it's a great place for folks
Speaker 4: to see, you know, the differences in height and color
Speaker 4: and bloom time and have it. So it's pretty it's
Speaker 4: pretty neat to see that. And then what is really
Speaker 4: mind blowing is when they start to bloom out in
Speaker 4: our fields because then you know, you just have like
Speaker 4: acres of beautiful, gorgeous blooming head discuss so it definitely
Speaker 4: be looking at froy beans or corn.
Speaker 2: You're not going to get an argument from us on
Speaker 2: that one. So I love that you do a high
Speaker 2: biscus hedge because that's how I grow the majority of
Speaker 2: mine as well, and what works so well for me
Speaker 2: growing them, So I grow them as a hedge around
Speaker 2: my patio to provide some privacy. It's not like I'm
Speaker 2: sure if they were able to reach their full size
Speaker 2: they would give us a lot more privacy. But they
Speaker 2: provide some privacy, you know, when we're sitting on our patio.
Speaker 2: But that patio I need to shovel in the winter,
Speaker 2: and I don't want a bunch of plants that I
Speaker 2: need to worry about breaking or anything like that. So
Speaker 2: for me, the fact that they go completely dormant, the
Speaker 2: fact that they emerge very late in the season, which
Speaker 2: is something that I think surprises a lot of people.
Speaker 2: They probably are pretty much the last perennial to emerge
Speaker 2: every year. That works out perfectly because I don't have
Speaker 2: anything there. I can pile the snow, pile the ice,
Speaker 2: not worry about it, and then the snow melts and
Speaker 2: then you know, four months later, I'm in it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then you can also use them, you know, if
Speaker 4: it's not a location where you're going to be shoveling
Speaker 4: snow and don't want to break things, you can leave
Speaker 4: them up for the winter. So where I have mine
Speaker 4: located in my yard is not in a place where
Speaker 4: I am worried about damaging them, so I actually leave
Speaker 4: the stems up. I don't cut them down in the fall.
Speaker 4: And when the flowers, when the petals drop off, they
Speaker 4: leave the sepals oftentimes attached to the stems, and as
Speaker 4: you get into fall, as the plant goes dormant and
Speaker 4: drops its leeves, a lot of those little peoples stay
Speaker 4: attached and eventually turn brown as to the stems. But
Speaker 4: it's it's kind of a nice winter interest plant. So
Speaker 4: I just leave mine up and when we do get snow,
Speaker 4: even though it's not as frequent here anymore in Michigan,
Speaker 4: but you know, these beautiful little stems come hoping up
Speaker 4: through the snow, and then I just cut mine down
Speaker 4: in the spring, you know, before they start to emerge again,
Speaker 4: and in a way they go.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a crazy question about that, Laura,
Speaker 1: because I have been involved in conversations with people or
Speaker 1: in groups where this topic has come up and they
Speaker 1: have said, Okay, you can't cut them in fall and
Speaker 1: leave the stubble because the stem is kind of hollow
Speaker 1: and they're going to rot out on you, So always
Speaker 1: cut them in spring, not in fall. That's a myth, right, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: Definitely an argument that people took around. There is a
Speaker 4: little bit of validity to I'd say, more so than
Speaker 4: the fact that they're going to rot. I would say
Speaker 4: the validity is that they tend to take a while
Speaker 4: to go dormant in the fall, and the longer you
Speaker 4: leave the stems up, the more of that energy from
Speaker 4: the stems gets pulled down into the roots and crown
Speaker 4: of the plant, which helps to provide additional growth for
Speaker 4: subsequent years. So I think leaving them is not a
Speaker 4: bad thing because you can get a little bit more
Speaker 4: energy down into the crop.
Speaker 5: But it's not like it's going to you know, rot
Speaker 5: or die if you do trim in the fall.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've done it before. I know a lot
Speaker 4: of other people who do trim in the fall. Kafey
Speaker 4: said she does. And you know the plants are fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I have again super sandy soil,
Speaker 2: so it's so well drained. I definitely do not have
Speaker 2: to worry about, you know, any rotting. And I do
Speaker 2: leave the ones that are actually in my perennial beds,
Speaker 2: you know, and in my native plant garden intact, I
Speaker 2: don't cut those back. I only cut these back just
Speaker 2: because of the shoveling. And yeah, I do wait probably
Speaker 2: until after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer too, and that you shouldn't really
Speaker 2: start messing with things until they go dormant. That you know,
Speaker 2: it gives a plant a huge opportunity to take in
Speaker 2: that let you know, that that bit of energy, and
Speaker 2: even if it's not a make or break thing, it's
Speaker 2: just kind of a like best practice, like you might
Speaker 2: as well if you can do it exactly.
Speaker 1: Yep, now, Laura, one of the benefits, there are many
Speaker 1: benefit fits to this plant. Obviously, the dinner plate blooms.
Speaker 1: But when you're planting a summarific hibiscus, would it be
Speaker 1: correct to say that here in North America you're planting
Speaker 1: a native plant? Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: The species headschismuschudos, is definitely native. It in its native
Speaker 4: kind of environment here. It tends to grow in more
Speaker 4: swampy conditions and the blooms tend to be pink on
Speaker 4: a lot of the specimens out in the native areas here,
Speaker 4: and you know, some of them look a little bit
Speaker 4: different in the hybrids that we've created, but yes, it
Speaker 4: is a native, it is a native perennial.
Speaker 1: The available color in the hybrids is just amazing. Give
Speaker 1: us an idea as far as Summarific Hibiscus is concerned.
Speaker 1: How many different varieties do you have? What kind of
Speaker 1: colors are we talking about?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so within the Summer Efic series, we have a
Speaker 4: couple of kind of subclasses. So the typical habit of
Speaker 4: the Summer effics that we select for is kind of
Speaker 4: a mounded gum drop shaped habit. But then we have
Speaker 4: a few varieties that are a little bit more narrow
Speaker 4: and upright, and we call those the crush. So within
Speaker 4: the Summer Effics series, if they have crush in their name,
Speaker 4: like Candy Crush or Valentine's Crush, those tend to be
Speaker 4: a little bit more narrow habit, more columner.
Speaker 5: In the crush.
Speaker 4: We have Candy Crush, Lilac Crush, and Valentine's Crush if
Speaker 4: I'm remembering correctly, So we have three and those are
Speaker 4: a pink with a really dark almost black eye, a
Speaker 4: nice kind of lilac color, and then Valentine's crushes of red,
Speaker 4: and then in the remaining gumdrop types summer effics. We
Speaker 4: have anything from one of our brand new introductions that
Speaker 4: we'll be able to be found at retail in spring
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty five. It's called cream and that one
Speaker 4: is a pure white, no red eye with dark almost
Speaker 4: black foliage. We have several different variations of pink, some
Speaker 4: of them have kind of a pink and white pin
Speaker 4: whale pattern to them. We have a nice dark red
Speaker 4: called Holy Grail that again has that dark almost black foliage.
Speaker 4: We have other reds that have green foliage. We have
Speaker 4: one called French Vanilla that is kind of a creamy yellow,
Speaker 4: and we're actually working on some future selections that hopefully
Speaker 4: will intensify the yellow coloration. So yeah, there's just all
Speaker 4: sorts of colors, and I think more to come in
Speaker 4: the future. We definitely have some other colors that we're
Speaker 4: going to be trying to bring into the series in
Speaker 4: the future years, so stay tuned for what we can do.
Speaker 4: I don't put you know, there's hardly anything that I
Speaker 4: would put past our breeder being able to do it.
Speaker 4: If the genetic background is there for him to do it,
Speaker 4: he will make it happen.
Speaker 2: Well, I do. If you have a quick second, I
Speaker 2: have to tell this story. So I've always been crazy
Speaker 2: about PERENNIALI biscus one of the first things I planned
Speaker 2: when I actually had my own garden. But you know,
Speaker 2: I working in the industry, I would always get free plants,
Speaker 2: and I would try to give him to people like
Speaker 2: my mother in law, and she would always just politely decline, no, no,
Speaker 2: I don't have space for that. I don't have anything
Speaker 2: in my you know, no, thank you, take it home.
Speaker 2: It's you should have it. That kind of always declined.
Speaker 2: But she loved playing candy crush, and so yeah, I
Speaker 2: was able to get a candy crush from you guys,
Speaker 2: and I, you know, I'm like, I'm gonna take it
Speaker 2: to her and I'm going to tell her, you know,
Speaker 2: if you don't want it, that's totally fine, but I
Speaker 2: couldn't resist giving this to you with his name, and
Speaker 2: her eyes just lit up. She was like it was
Speaker 2: the first plan she ever actually accepted from me as
Speaker 2: a plant gift, and they planted it and she fell
Speaker 2: head over heels in love with a high biscus like
Speaker 2: just at that after she saw candy Crush bloom in
Speaker 2: her yard, she called me up and she said, how
Speaker 2: many more can you get me? And one of the
Speaker 2: callers are there. I mean it was just like that
Speaker 2: one plant just completely made her an addict. And so I,
Speaker 2: you know, gave her I think three or four other
Speaker 2: colors and she planted all of them and they just
Speaker 2: love them. And unfortunately she did pass away. But for me,
Speaker 2: I love that I have that connection. And when candy
Speaker 2: Crush first blooms, which actually my first Candy Crush blooms
Speaker 2: just appeared this week, you know, it always brings a
Speaker 2: little tear to my eye and just like a really
Speaker 2: great memory, and you know, it's just it's it's just
Speaker 2: one of those things. I'm just so grateful that you
Speaker 2: guys gave it that name and that I was able
Speaker 2: to have that connection and just one of those things
Speaker 2: you never really know when you put something out into
Speaker 2: the world how it's going to actually impact people.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, that's a great story. And sorry about the
Speaker 5: loss of my mother in law, but hopefully she was
Speaker 5: able to enjoy it. Oh my God before that happened.
Speaker 2: And now my father in law loves them and looks
Speaker 2: forward to them blooming every single year. But every single
Speaker 2: year he does this, calls me up in May. Those
Speaker 2: plants are dead. Those plants are dead. Are you sure?
Speaker 2: I said, no, they're gonna They're fine. They will start growing,
Speaker 2: and and then he'll call me up. Okay, they started growing,
Speaker 2: but they're really small. Are you sure they're going to
Speaker 2: be okay? Sure, they're going to be okay. And then
Speaker 2: of course, you know, August rolls around and it's just,
Speaker 2: you know, back to that incredible abundance. And honestly, watching
Speaker 2: that transition from this tiny little shoot at the end
Speaker 2: of May to just this, you know, boffo huge plant
Speaker 2: with a normal enormous flowers is like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: It's just one of the things that I like most
Speaker 2: about perennials in general, but especially the summarific hibiscus.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have such a quick growth rate. I mean,
Speaker 4: when you consider the fact that they are one of
Speaker 4: the last of a perennials to emerge, just how quickly
Speaker 4: they go from you know, nothing to five or six
Speaker 4: feet on some of the tallest varieties.
Speaker 5: They're they're so fast.
Speaker 2: It's so cool to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here in the North the epitome of a late bloomer,
Speaker 1: but when they bloom, it's magnificent, Laura. For folks who
Speaker 1: want to learn more about summarific hibiscus, where do you
Speaker 1: suggest they go?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a lot of good information on the internet.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of great information on the Proven Winters website.
Speaker 4: And then we actually have a consumer facing portion of
Speaker 4: our website called Pernial Resource, and that's another great place
Speaker 4: where they can learn about the summer us. And what
Speaker 4: website is that, Laura, That is just Perennial Resource dot com.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll link to that in the show notes too
Speaker 2: for anybody who wants to hear, because that is a
Speaker 2: great website, not just for Summerrific but for all sorts
Speaker 2: of perennials. I rely on that website quite a bit myself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we Yeah, it is not just high discus on
Speaker 4: either that or the Proven Winters website. They don't we
Speaker 4: don't have a specific two hibiscus website, but yeah, either
Speaker 4: of those are great resources for my bescus and anything
Speaker 4: else that they want to research. Antonio, And I mean the.
Speaker 2: Other thing is there's you don't need a ton of
Speaker 2: knowledge to grow these, I mean, sun space water watch out.
Speaker 4: Yep, they're pretty easy once you get a planted that
Speaker 4: they just kind of take care of themselves. And yeah,
Speaker 4: they're not too bad.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. Thanks for what you do, Laura, and thank you
Speaker 1: for spending time with us.
Speaker 2: I need to know what Laura's favorite.
Speaker 5: To I was waiting for this question. I was feeling
Speaker 5: that this was going to come out.
Speaker 4: So I do have actually a quick answer, which isn't
Speaker 4: always the case, but my favorite summerfic Tybscus is actually
Speaker 4: Edge of Night. So that is a variety that we
Speaker 4: introduced probably two or three years ago now into the program,
Speaker 4: and it was kind of the first of our more
Speaker 4: compact types. So it will get up to about let's
Speaker 4: say three and a half feet, you're going a half
Speaker 4: to four feet in width and height, and it is
Speaker 4: a gorgeous kind of bubblegum pink flower on the darkest
Speaker 4: closest to black foliage of any of the varieties in
Speaker 4: the series so far. So just that color contrast between
Speaker 4: the pink and the black. It's just spectaculus, all right.
Speaker 2: I don't have that one in my collection. I'm going
Speaker 2: to have to add it.
Speaker 1: And it's a great point.
Speaker 5: Need to get that one.
Speaker 1: It's a great point that you know, all the attention
Speaker 1: is towards these dinner plate blooms, but the foliage can
Speaker 1: play a starring role too.
Speaker 5: Oh, it really does.
Speaker 4: I have three of that one planted in one of
Speaker 4: my beds on like the far back side of my yard.
Speaker 4: And I'm definitely a big folious person. Like in addition
Speaker 4: to flowers, I like to mix, you know, varying shades
Speaker 4: of purple and black and silver and chartreuse into my landscape.
Speaker 4: And those hibiscus look amazing from day one, and you know,
Speaker 4: as soon as they emerge because they have that dark
Speaker 4: pulage and it's just like a nice focal point in
Speaker 4: the landscape. And then when they start to bloom, it's
Speaker 4: even better.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's great, fantastic, Well, a pleasure to talk
Speaker 1: to you, Laura. Thanks for everything that you do, and
Speaker 1: thanks for sharing the enthusiasm that we share with you
Speaker 1: for summarific high biscus.
Speaker 4: Yep, absolutely, it was a joy being on your show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Laura.
Speaker 2: All Right, Well, I don't know about you, but I
Speaker 2: am awfully glad I get to go home and spend
Speaker 2: the day with my summerrific high biscus here in the
Speaker 2: height of summer. So thanks so much to Laura for
Speaker 2: all that great information. Thank you Rick, and thanks Adriana,
Speaker 2: and thanks to all of you for listening. We really
Speaker 2: appreciate your support and hope you have a great week ahead.