1 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: What is up A fellow Sinko's I am Dan Pavali 2 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:19,879 coming at you with a brief intro before we get 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,079 to a podcast I wasn't planning on having, but Brian 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,440 Taporrek we did that Trade Value pod. Go check it 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,760 out YouTube, Spotify, Apple, Subscribe the whole nine. Don't forget 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,399 our merch stick a Mode collection. I keep wearing the 7 00:00:29,399 --> 00:00:31,079 same things over and over again after I watch them. 8 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:32,840 But I'm also recording this the same day I recorded 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,039 something else, because why don't you see how freaking cool 10 00:00:35,039 --> 00:00:36,880 it is. The feedback's been great. Go buy it, help 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,840 support the show. We really appreciate it. Where's I going 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,600 with this? Oh? Yes, Brian de Pork and I did 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,520 the Trade Value pod, but then we talked about three 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,159 things that ended up turning out to be their own podcast. 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,079 Length a little bit shorter than we normally published. We're 16 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:51,600 always like ninety minutes plus. Basically, it's the off season. 17 00:00:51,679 --> 00:00:53,799 Let's be thankful we're putting out as much content as 18 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,520 we are. Quite frankly so about running forty forty five minutes. 19 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,359 We talk about Victor Wemberyamas ceiling in the NBA next 20 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:04,439 season right now, that was a really freaking interesting discussion. 21 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,640 We talk about brandon Ingram and the awkwardness in New 22 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:10,560 Orleans right now, the complicated nature of it, and then 23 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,519 finally we get into more sixers talk where we look 24 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,879 at Philly's options following the whole kJ Martin Human Traded 25 00:01:17,879 --> 00:01:21,359 Player exception deal. Shout out to Brian, who is preparing 26 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,439 for or maybe I already had him by this, but 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,959 preparing for the birth of his second child with this 28 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,239 fantastic wife. So we wish him the best of luck. 29 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:30,040 It'll be a while before he comes back on again, 30 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:31,159 but I will miss him. 31 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:31,599 Speaker 2: I love him. 32 00:01:31,599 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite people, very very nice, one 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,920 of my very favorite people in the world, not just 34 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,680 in this industry. So I hope you enjoy the show. 35 00:01:39,799 --> 00:01:41,480 I think you will. It was a lot of fun. 36 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,840 And yes, let's get to chit chatting with Brian Zaporak 37 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:46,239 for I don't want to say one last time. But 38 00:01:46,239 --> 00:01:48,079 it's gonna be a while before he comes back, and 39 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,000 I miss him already. I'm gonna let you pick the 40 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,159 final thing we talk about. 41 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: All right, let's do we do? We could do the 42 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,480 Philly souff Could we already talk to Ingram to some extent, 43 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,400 and I'm sure it's all news at this point. Here 44 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,519 here's my five second Ingram spiel. The Pels would not 45 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,240 give him a max at you know, like a fair extension, 46 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:17,479 goof what max is? Five years to seventy certainly? 47 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:19,319 Speaker 1: Well if it gets a free agencies and right now 48 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,120 it's like four and two seven whatever? 49 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, damn man, I would be scared. Anything 50 00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:30,120 over like I have two hundred would scare me, Like. 51 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:35,439 Speaker 1: I would you rather pay him or Jonathan Kaminga the 52 00:02:35,479 --> 00:02:38,280 money you outlaid for Jonathan Minga? So the quickly deal? 53 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,080 Oh okay, well not the quick I guess five and 54 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,919 one seventy five. But let's do it in four year terms. Yeah, 55 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:45,560 let's say four and what one? 56 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:50,039 Speaker 2: Sure I'd rather gamble on Cominga's upside. 57 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: I think, Wow, I don't think I could go that far. 58 00:02:54,159 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: That's fair. I guess it's also dependent on where my 59 00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:00,719 team is relative to contention, like if we're trying to 60 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,039 now you're trying to get Ingram, but if you're a 61 00:03:03,039 --> 00:03:08,560 rebuilding team or like A would be a good example. 62 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:13,439 Speaker 1: It's like something you know. What I hate though, is 63 00:03:13,479 --> 00:03:16,039 like brandon Ingram is a good player yeah, it's just 64 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,400 so hard to find. We'll be like, like that team 65 00:03:18,439 --> 00:03:20,560 should go after him, because it's I don't want to. 66 00:03:20,759 --> 00:03:23,680 Cleveland's a horrible fit that the scenario people keep thrown 67 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:26,319 out with. No, that's a terrible fit for Cleveland. They 68 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:28,240 have enough mouse to feed without inserting Bred and Ingram 69 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,719 in the fold. I thought about Memphis. I was like, 70 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:33,919 if Miami can, they can cobble together the money. But like, 71 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:36,759 now you're giving up what Duncan Robinson and Terry Rozier 72 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,520 and draft equity, and the Pelicans still aren't getting a 73 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:41,719 big so you need to involve all these other teams. 74 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,719 It's so hard to find a Brandon Ingram trade that 75 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,719 makes sense for both sides. 76 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:52,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do not have a good team 77 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:56,120 for him, which seems like a problem for both the 78 00:03:56,159 --> 00:04:01,479 Pelicans and him because you know, again, I think there's 79 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,159 real risk for him, not that the floor is gonna 80 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:05,759 fall out to the point where he has to take 81 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,439 a minimum deal next year. I don't think that's realistic, 82 00:04:08,599 --> 00:04:13,039 but like it's there are not a lot of teams 83 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,199 projected to have significant cap space next summer, right, so 84 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,480 the Pelicans have a lot of leverage over him, and 85 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,480 I do worry for him that he doesn't seem to 86 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:22,560 appreciate that right now. 87 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,959 Speaker 1: And so if you're them, though, I guess you could 88 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:28,319 risk turning him off to where he wouldn't resign with you. 89 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:29,839 But if you're looking at some of the offers that 90 00:04:29,879 --> 00:04:32,720 are coming in and you don't think it aligns with 91 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,120 how valuable he is to your team, are you kind 92 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,079 of just letting this play out then, because you would 93 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,199 just be Okay, this might be imperfect, but we know 94 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:41,720 that we can make it work. And if he's not, 95 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:44,920 he's gonna have that reality check moment where he doesn't 96 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,600 get the max next summer, and so we'll keep him 97 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,079 at It's probably not like gonna be the most outrageously 98 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,439 low number. But if you're the Pelican, like, do you 99 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,319 view this as brand Ingram wants the max, so we're 100 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,560 gonna move him, and at we should move him at 101 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,879 not virtual any cost. But like I think a lot 102 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:04,040 of Pelicans fans if we went through which I will 103 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,720 not throughout actual brandon Ingram trade packages, I think Pelicans 104 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:09,480 fans will probably be mad at us for not getting 105 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:12,279 them enough. Would be my death. And so if you're 106 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:14,480 dealing with those types of offers and you're the Pelicans, 107 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,720 is it, Well, we're just never gonna find the common 108 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:19,240 ground on a number, or we'd rather just keep him 109 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:22,639 and re sign him because he's not gonna get this number. 110 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,199 Maybe a team will trade him and give it to him. 111 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:26,319 But my prediction would be that brandon Ingram this time 112 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,040 next year is not on a max deal. That would 113 00:05:28,079 --> 00:05:28,639 be my prediction. 114 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 2: I would agree with that. I think it depends on 115 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,000 what other moves they have lined up, because right now, 116 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,160 I mean, they don't have a clear good answer as 117 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:45,319 the starting center. He's the guy, okay, And you know, 118 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:49,319 if they keep Ingram, does that mean they're moving c. J. McCollum, 119 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:52,959 Because like, right now, they basically have six guys for 120 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,879 four spots, assuming Zion isn't gonna play the five. So 121 00:05:56,199 --> 00:06:01,879 like you've got a logjam with CJ. De Jonte, Herb Jones, 122 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,800 Trey Murphy, Zion, and Brandon Ingram. So which two of 123 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,319 those guys are coming off the bench. It seems like 124 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,240 they want to get Trey Murphy into the starting lineup, 125 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:16,079 which I agree with. So like with that in mind, yes, 126 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,759 maybe it just makes sense to take the best offer 127 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,959 for Ingram this summer and not have to worry about 128 00:06:20,959 --> 00:06:23,040 the next contract. But I could also see the argument 129 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:26,680 of oh, if you think he's just so egregiously misreading 130 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,800 the market and you think you can still have the 131 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,279 best offer for him next summer, you know, it's not 132 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:33,480 like what happened with Paul George and the Clippers, where 133 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,399 it's like, okay, we're standing pat we are you know, 134 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,720 we are drawing the line at three one point fifty 135 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:40,959 and if you get a bigger offer, we are not 136 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,959 raising it. I think if the Pelicans say we are 137 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,519 trying to line it, you know, three whatever, it is 138 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:50,439 like I make up a number. I don't care four 139 00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:53,680 one sixty or something like that. I don't know that 140 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:56,240 he gets that. In free agent, there's not a clear like, 141 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,480 oh yeah, well these three teams are definitely going to 142 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,000 offer him a max contract. We don't go up. We're screwed. 143 00:07:01,079 --> 00:07:03,720 It's like, all right, where to offer you four one 144 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,319 sixty and if you want it, take it, that's great. 145 00:07:07,399 --> 00:07:10,360 If not play out the season, see what happens next summer, 146 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,959 our offer will still be on the table, and there's 147 00:07:12,959 --> 00:07:14,680 a chance that's still the biggest offer you get. 148 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:17,759 Speaker 1: And I think you have a viable concern about well, 149 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:19,240 if you're trying to get Trey Murphy in the starting 150 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:21,399 five house that work out. I just don't find it 151 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:23,120 to be a big deal to say, hey, CJ, come 152 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,720 off the bench. But I guess if you're worried about 153 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:28,920 the shooting, but like Trey Murphy replaces that three point 154 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,399 volume and McCollum gives you some other creation off the 155 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:34,680 bench which you need. But he could also work where okay, 156 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,680 we need to stagger Ingram's ion McCollum can also play 157 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,000 off either one of them. And so I don't I 158 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,879 think a lot of people I'll probably say mostly outside 159 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,079 of New Orleans just view it as like, oh no, 160 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,519 like they need to move Ingram. This is a real 161 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,879 logistical hurdle and it's no, Like, the real hurdle is 162 00:07:49,879 --> 00:07:51,560 that they have not set themselves up well at the 163 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,439 five and I don't know what the endgame is there, 164 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,160 and they've traded all there, not all there, but they've 165 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,800 traded their like medium sized salary matching fodder, and so 166 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:02,199 it's can we get someone that's making Jordan Hawkins money 167 00:08:02,319 --> 00:08:04,279 or do we have to go nuclear and trade a CG. 168 00:08:04,399 --> 00:08:07,800 McCollum er brandon Ingram to get an operable big man 169 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:10,959 in our and it's because I don't. I know, Pelicans 170 00:08:10,959 --> 00:08:12,879 fans are high on a couple bigs in the roster 171 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:15,439 and think Daniel Tice is a good fit. But you 172 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,680 can't go into the season and be a team with 173 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,279 immediate aspirations that just traded first round picks for de 174 00:08:21,319 --> 00:08:24,839 Jontay Murray with Daniel Tice as your starting center. And 175 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:26,720 I would think even if you want to close with 176 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,399 Zion at the five, you want to limit his time 177 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:32,000 at the five because he made so many strides defensively 178 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:35,039 at the four last year and just his body's going 179 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:37,639 through enough without saying like, yeah all the. 180 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,039 Speaker 2: Time, guy, right, exactly exactly. 181 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: So how was that for not talking about brandon Ingram? 182 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,960 Did you still want to talk? I was gonna ask you. 183 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,639 So the Sixers, they're mostly done this offseason unless they're 184 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:51,360 gonna trade for someone who makes like a pittance. They 185 00:08:51,399 --> 00:08:54,960 make the kJ Martin contract. People have called it, he's 186 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,600 a human trade exception. I would agree the numbers. I 187 00:08:57,639 --> 00:08:59,799 know they had very little wiggle room under the apron. 188 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,240 But he's making He's two year, sixteen million dollars, So 189 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:05,919 he's non guarantee here. Two, So he's this eight million 190 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,559 dollar salary basicallying in the next year. How do you 191 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,200 how do we square this away? What can It's a 192 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,720 it's a multifoil question. What can the sixers realistically do 193 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,639 given their financial situation and what archetype is of right 194 00:09:21,639 --> 00:09:23,720 now without seeing them play any games? And the benefit 195 00:09:23,759 --> 00:09:26,080 here is they'll have information because he can't be traded 196 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:29,360 until December fifteenth, Like what type of player or a 197 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,679 certain name are you targeting? Is it someone that you 198 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:34,120 might have to step ladder your way to where it's well, 199 00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:37,000 we're not just trading kJ Martin picks. It's kJ Martin, 200 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,840 it's Jared McCain, and it's Reggie Jackson's minimum salaries, So 201 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:41,840 we can bring back a fifteen million dollar player or 202 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:42,360 whatever it is. 203 00:09:42,919 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, So they're over the first apron, which means 204 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:47,519 they can't take back more. 205 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,039 Speaker 1: Wildly impressive by the way to have used the room 206 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,159 exception signing Paul George with capspase, but now you are 207 00:09:54,159 --> 00:09:55,159 over the first apron. 208 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: Just to love I love that the new CBA did 209 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,799 not hardcap team that use the room exception because they 210 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,919 just did not account for this scenario. It seems like 211 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,879 this seems like a total loophole where you know, teams 212 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:10,960 that use like the taxpayer of a league and hardcapped 213 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,039 at the second apron the sex nor hard. 214 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: Capt right now. Honestly didn't even realize it until like 215 00:10:15,759 --> 00:10:18,399 the sixers were going. I was like, oh, like that 216 00:10:18,519 --> 00:10:19,960 was I just assumed I. 217 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,799 Speaker 2: Was triple checking with people like leading up to free agency, 218 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,320 because I mean, there's a thing in the CBA called 219 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,399 the Transaction Restrictions Table, and it's not you know, it's 220 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,320 very specifically lays out every single thing you can do 221 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:34,600 that will hardcap you at either one of the aprons 222 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,279 in the room. The room MLL does not show up anywhere, 223 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,080 So it's like it isn't does. 224 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: I guess they don't assume that teams wouldn't figure out 225 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,559 a way to spend themselves into that tier. And dal 226 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,639 Morey's like that, right, well, I. 227 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,159 Speaker 2: Mean, you know, it is such a rare thing where 228 00:10:49,159 --> 00:10:51,279 it's like, Okay, we've got we've got a guy that 229 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,720 we want to max, but his cap hold is so 230 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,480 much lower than that that we're going to create, you know, 231 00:10:56,639 --> 00:10:59,679 twenty plus million of artificial cap space. Then we're going 232 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,279 to do the same thing with kJ Martin to a 233 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:01,960 lesser extent. 234 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,519 Speaker 1: I guess I would argue though, like what the Sixers 235 00:11:04,519 --> 00:11:07,399 did with MAXI is not novel, Like was the players 236 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,799 Union and the you know, the Board of Government, Like 237 00:11:09,799 --> 00:11:12,240 they were just so used to teams like kind of 238 00:11:12,279 --> 00:11:15,039 just if the players are worth at like Anthony Edwards 239 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,559 or like, you're just giving them the extension. It's it's 240 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,240 become almost taboo to make these guys wait, and it's 241 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:21,799 I don't think there's a now if you want to 242 00:11:21,799 --> 00:11:23,960 get into a discussion about should there be restricted free 243 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,720 agency and that gets into well, then the should there 244 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,600 be a draft? But restricted free agency right now set 245 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:30,399 up the way it is. If you're a team, why 246 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,960 wouldn't you use that more to your advantage rather than 247 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,000 like with the Orlando is, like, I'm like, well, why 248 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,200 did they I know they're not gonna have a ton 249 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,240 of cap flexibility next summer, But I look at Franz 250 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:42,080 Wagner as, Okay, I understand why you max out Evan Mobley. 251 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,120 You're not gonna have cap space anyway, whatever, But like 252 00:11:44,159 --> 00:11:46,799 with Fronz Wagner, you're really kind of punting on some 253 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:47,799 flexibility there. 254 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was a high enough pick that 255 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:53,080 his cap hold would have still been significantly more like 256 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,960 MAXI was just this perfect storm of like latesh first 257 00:11:57,039 --> 00:12:01,159 round pick and then still Max caliber player. So like 258 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,279 Shangoon is another guy who I think is going to 259 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:03,559 be in. 260 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: This boat, like I know, oh he's not getting extended right. 261 00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I know the rockets. There was talk 262 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,519 of like both Jalen and Green and Shangouon not getting extended, 263 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,639 and Shangoon makes sense for the cap space reason. They 264 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:14,799 can do the same thing with MAXI. 265 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,759 Speaker 1: Jan Green's caple I think is like thirty seven million, 266 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,039 very close to the max. 267 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's monstrous. So there's no there's no financial reason 268 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:24,720 to hold off on an extension for Jalen. 269 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,159 Speaker 1: Green unless you want to him. 270 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes that's true, but yeah, you just want to 271 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,960 make sure the Mickey Mouse March stuff applies to October, November, December, 272 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,720 so on and so forth. Anyway, Uh yeah, so Philly over, 273 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,759 the first apron can't take back more than send out, 274 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:43,600 not about like eight point three at least by my math. 275 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,799 Under the second apron not hard capped, so they are 276 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:50,799 able to aggregate contracts. Daryl Morey keeps talking. 277 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: And take back more money though, right, because. 278 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: You cannot take back more money. I've been trying to 279 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,879 write an article for a week and then got completely 280 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,039 tract But hopefully we'll be out by the time this 281 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,960 podcast is live. Darryl Marius said they're going to leave 282 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,720 a roster spot open into the season, so they've got 283 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:15,120 thirteen guys under contract. After signing Reggie Jackson, they'll presumably 284 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:18,600 sign one more leave the fifteen spot open. He is 285 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:23,279 continuing in multiple interviews to highlight rebounding as their big 286 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,240 area of concern, so I think that is the thing 287 00:13:26,279 --> 00:13:30,080 they will target with assuming they do move kJ Martin. 288 00:13:30,879 --> 00:13:34,279 Try to find someone who is a good rebounder at 289 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,519 that crost problem being it's you know, I've gone through 290 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,799 the list of like just straight one for one squat possibilities. 291 00:13:42,919 --> 00:13:46,159 None of these guys really address that. With one possible 292 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:52,480 exception like Jayshaun Tait, your boy Simone Fontechio, Gary Harris 293 00:13:52,879 --> 00:13:56,559 this year, little Kendrick Williams might be my favorite of 294 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,039 the bunch. 295 00:13:57,519 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting, let's just give okay seymour Pi Sure. 296 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 2: Right, exactly that's what they need. 297 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: What about I asked you about this earlier today, what 298 00:14:06,159 --> 00:14:09,799 about Tarr Easton? Like if you if I know that, 299 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,200 I don't know what If you're the Rockets, you don't 300 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,519 go into it looking to trade Tarr Easton. But you 301 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,399 have Amen Thompson, you have Dylan Brooks, you have Jayshon 302 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,960 Tate who last year of his deal. But you also 303 00:14:21,399 --> 00:14:23,600 you did this thing where you acquired those Phoenix picks, 304 00:14:23,759 --> 00:14:25,600 And so I ask you if this is the package. 305 00:14:25,639 --> 00:14:28,519 Let's say it's kJ Martin for the twenty twenty six pick, 306 00:14:28,559 --> 00:14:30,039 which is gonna let's just say it ends up being 307 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,600 okay C's. It could tfically be Houston's own, I suppose, 308 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:36,480 but it's the Philly has less favorable of OKC, Houston 309 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,240 and the Clippers in twenty twenty six, plus the Clippers 310 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:43,799 twenty twenty eight first round pick. Now you're so, I'd 311 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:46,559 say kJ Martin those two picks for AJ Griffin and 312 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:50,480 h Tarr Easton. If you're Houston, before I ask you, 313 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:52,080 if you're due, if you're Philly, if you're Houston, would 314 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,200 you view that Clippers pick and the additional first rounder 315 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,480 as better for a consolidation trader Tarry Easton is more 316 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:01,080 valuable than those two picks. If again, looking at a 317 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,799 big move, because they're clearly setting themselves up to do 318 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,240 something on the trade market. 319 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: I would think the Clippers pick me too, Yeah, And 320 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,480 it would make me like if if the Sixers were 321 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:18,240 trading their own twenty twenty nine first, I would be 322 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:22,679 more willing or eager to do that, Like I'm just 323 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:26,039 so luckyant to move that twenty twenty eight Clippers first 324 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:28,039 because it is fully unprotected and. 325 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: We I mean, well, if you're I think, honestly, I 326 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,360 might prefer the Sixers pick in twenty nine because I mean, 327 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,000 if you're a front office employee and you don't have 328 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,919 job security that we can get, that's a different discussion. 329 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,480 But yeah, Joelle beat is thirty yep. Paul George is 330 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:46,639 thirty four yep, And I guess they have Tyres MAXI. 331 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:49,000 So that's then the Clippers don't have that young blue 332 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,519 chip building block, that is, he does not exist on 333 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:54,759 that team. So I get what you're saying with. 334 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,519 Speaker 2: That, ar, what's untouchable? How dare you, sir? 335 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: I would say if I was Houston and not like 336 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,720 Brooks is having another good year, and I have men Thompson. 337 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:04,559 He looks like it, and we want to keep Jabbari. Look, 338 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,120 you have to deal with Alprin Shangoon and Jalen Green 339 00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:09,960 next summer. Jabari Smith is the following summer. Even if 340 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,519 the plan is to keep two of those guys. If 341 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:15,080 I'm getting offered two first round picks for Tari East 342 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,120 and I'm probably and one of them is that Quippers 343 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:19,080 pick or the Philly pick, I'm probably doing it. 344 00:16:19,399 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think you jump at it. If you're Houston, 345 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:22,480 would you do it? 346 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: If you're Philly? If you get to pick what the 347 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,759 second first rounder is, are you considering it? Because they're 348 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:29,279 in an interesting spot. It'd probably be better for them 349 00:16:29,279 --> 00:16:31,639 to get someone who's already under contract for longer. But 350 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,679 Tartes is not a max player because I proposed, like, hey, 351 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,480 what if lowery marketing doesn't get extended, is still on 352 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,799 the Jazz mid season and you could just give them 353 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:42,240 all the picks and step ladder of your way to 354 00:16:42,279 --> 00:16:44,279 his salary. You're like, no, they can't afford that long term, 355 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:47,840 And you're right. That's also the like it's it's such 356 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,919 a weird number with the kJ Martin thin because it's 357 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,360 so it's not negligible, but it's so tiny that it's well, 358 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,879 who are you actually getting that would be worth giving 359 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,600 up a first round pick let alone plural for right. 360 00:16:59,679 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jerris Walker was one guy who came to mind, 361 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,599 if just depending on what Indiana does, because it does 362 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,680 seem like there's a log jam with him. Well or sorry, Siako, 363 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:16,279 Miles Turner, they just resigned to obi top and where 364 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:18,720 does Jeris Walker fit in. I know Jalen Smith's gone now, 365 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:22,160 so maybe that opens some minutes for him. But if 366 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:25,440 for whatever reason they are just you know, they have 367 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:28,079 to they like when they picked Jeris Walker, they know 368 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:30,599 they're gonna trade for past Palsiakham six months later, so 369 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,880 if they're open to moving him, like that's a young 370 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:37,559 enough guy that you know. I think part of the 371 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:40,599 issue is, like Philly is so in win now mode 372 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,839 that you need to be trading for guys who are 373 00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:46,880 going to help with that mission. Like you proposed a 374 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,960 you were dming me earlier with like an off Star 375 00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:51,359 Thompson trade idea. 376 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,279 Speaker 1: Which like, by the way I came up, I didn't 377 00:17:53,279 --> 00:17:54,960 throw it to you. I came with a package that 378 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,599 would have gotten them both on Techio and Thompson. It 379 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,960 was it was because it was uh, it had jack 380 00:18:01,079 --> 00:18:03,240 They couldn't take back more money though, was the issue. 381 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:05,720 But so it was a four for two, but you 382 00:18:05,759 --> 00:18:11,359 were giving up McCain first round equity, Reggie Jackson, kJ Martin, 383 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,839 and the deal ended up being I think it was 384 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,599 two for it was what I sent you, but the 385 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:18,640 deal has expanded to justify the pick equity to get Fontachio, 386 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:21,160 NSR Thompson in there, who they make like sixteen million 387 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,519 combined basically. 388 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that, yeah, that's a tricky thing. I feel 389 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:26,759 like it's like they're so top heavy and then their 390 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:30,000 fourth highest paid player right now is Cable Martin, and 391 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,720 like I think kJ Martin I believe is ah, no, 392 00:18:34,039 --> 00:18:39,119 Kelly Bray beats them by about but eight thousand, not 393 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:45,160 even eight thousand dollars seven point yeah well or no, sorry, yeah, no, 394 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:49,799 like eight thousand dollars good for him, that's amazing. Yeah. 395 00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:52,279 Speaker 1: Is the situation though, where they were like this is 396 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:55,000 the year that they're not gonna like kick the tires 397 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:57,079 until next season when it's gonna be a little bit 398 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,920 financially more untenable for them to aggregate I would assume, right, you. 399 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:07,279 Speaker 2: Know, maybe if you swap out a J. Griffin for 400 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,000 Cam Whitmore, and maybe this is the deal breaker for Houston. 401 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:14,960 But if it's Tarry Easton and Cam Whitmore for kJ 402 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:16,599 Martin and the two picks, I probably do it. 403 00:19:17,559 --> 00:19:20,839 Speaker 1: I think Houston says no, if you would, I don't 404 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,359 know what else you would need to like, you might 405 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,240 need to include. Is there a throwaway like third first 406 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:27,039 round back you really to include. 407 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: In that because a pick swap? Maybe? Yeah. 408 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: I think I think Houston says no. At that point, 409 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,240 I'm not gonna lie. Would you give up twenty six 410 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:42,960 and kJ Martin just the everything for IOH? 411 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably because that I mean that twenty six picks 412 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,720 is gonna be okay, it's gonna suck. 413 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,079 Speaker 1: I would assume, but Tom just want I don't know 414 00:19:50,079 --> 00:19:51,720 if the Bulls would do it. I'm curious if you would. 415 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that I don't value very much because I think 416 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:55,599 it's gonna. 417 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: Be a It does not help their rebounding, though I 418 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,680 think Tar Easan will legitimately help the rebound. That's why 419 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,119 I came up with him. 420 00:20:02,279 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Cam Whitmore, they could finally start combating this 421 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:08,759 Villanova nonsense up in New York. 422 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: Jealous much, you guys. McHale bridges, that's not my right, 423 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:16,920 that's right. 424 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,799 Speaker 2: Couldn't even keep it for one day? Come on? Uh? 425 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,319 Speaker 1: But I yeah, So you think it's gonna end up 426 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:26,319 being someone who probably addresses the rebounding. And I guess 427 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:29,759 if there's like, do you could you envision a scenario 428 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:31,960 were they step laddered or you could mostly see that. Okay, 429 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,839 maybe it's kJ Martin and Jared McCain for a whatever, 430 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,799 it is a twelve million dollar player rather than just 431 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:38,160 strictly looking at guys who make eight. 432 00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could see them packaging Martin with 433 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,880 I mean I could with McCain, especially after you know, 434 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,559 you don't want to read too much in the summer league. 435 00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:55,960 But he was did not necessarily impressed during the summer league. 436 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,759 The shooting was a little scary. So if for whatever 437 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:05,960 reason they don't think that's gonna pan out, I think 438 00:21:06,039 --> 00:21:09,240 they are approaching it with I think Mary said this 439 00:21:09,279 --> 00:21:11,000 he wanted to write s Ricky Sands the podcast the 440 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:15,079 other day and said, like we were drafting with the 441 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,839 attention of like getting someone who is gonna help us, 442 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,920 but also getting someone who will maintain value as an 443 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,680 asset in case we do need to move him down 444 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:24,240 the line. 445 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,559 Speaker 1: So I mean with Kyle Lowry and Reggie Jackson and 446 00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:30,039 Tyrese Maxie on the roster, Like, how much is Jared McCain. 447 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's not gonna play in all this year. 448 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:39,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, well or he might, but disaster truck at that point, right. 449 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:43,799 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, if he's playing a lot, something went really wrong. 450 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, they're just they're fascinating because they 451 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,079 have so many first round picks that they can trade. Yeah, 452 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,440 and like it's just I understand what you're saying about 453 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,039 they need to factor in the future payroll. But like 454 00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:59,839 they might have another like I would call you don't 455 00:21:59,839 --> 00:22:01,839 want to say, a blockbuster, but they have like they 456 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,839 might have another semi big move in them, which is 457 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:06,920 to say, after everything they just did. 458 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:11,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I don't think Minnesota would move 459 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:14,440 off with nas Reed, but if they could get nas 460 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:20,880 Reed immediately, whatever it takes, whatever it takes Kelly Olyntox, 461 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,599 another guy in like the twelve thirteen million dollar range, 462 00:22:24,599 --> 00:22:27,160 you guy, it would take. Like that's the problem. It's 463 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,079 gotta basically be a twour really a three for one 464 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,759 unless you're giving up one of Ubra, Martin or Drummond, 465 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:35,880 which I don't think they'd want to do because like 466 00:22:36,519 --> 00:22:41,000 Martin and McCain get you to basically twelve million flat, 467 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,279 but Alynox a little bit more than that, uh Nas 468 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:48,119 reads more than that, and Yeka Conglu would be another one. 469 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,319 I don't think Atlanta has any interest in giving him 470 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,799 up for the package like this. 471 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,799 Speaker 1: If he doesn't extend, you know, it would be interesting. 472 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,839 Jalen Johnson, how many first round takes? 473 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,599 Speaker 2: Yes, would fire the clip for Jalen Johnson. What Larry Nance? 474 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,759 Speaker 1: Maybe that'd be interesting. I don't know if I'm giving 475 00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:09,119 up a first round pick for Larry Nance, though. 476 00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be psyched about that. 477 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,839 Speaker 1: Do you know what I thought about too? But I'm 478 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,400 just as based off what they gave up. I'm assuming 479 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,240 they didn't view it. But like you could step ladder 480 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:20,119 your way. What if Portland decided we're gonna get Denny 481 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,200 Auvia just to flip him for more first round picks 482 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,880 from the Sixers, then we gave up to get him. 483 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,240 We're not high on this draft anyway, So you guys 484 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:28,720 take bub Carrington in this twenty with they of the 485 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,240 twenty twenty nine picked that they sent and then we're 486 00:23:32,279 --> 00:23:34,359 just gonna flip him to Philly later on for like 487 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,039 a bunch of first. 488 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's that's another one where it's just like, it's 489 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,319 tough to get the fifteen point six million. 490 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,839 Speaker 1: If it's a four for two, I think, and I 491 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:46,119 don't even know if that get I didn't do the 492 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,160 math in my head yet, but it'd be four. It 493 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,480 probably have to be Counsel Jackson and then the other 494 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:56,440 two kJ Martin and Jared McCain. Maybe that gets you there. 495 00:23:56,839 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Eric Gordon did sign, so you signed 496 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,480 a two your deal, so his cap hits a little 497 00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:04,000 higher than the normal minimum. It's three point three instead 498 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:04,839 of two point one. 499 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,839 Speaker 1: So that's pissing off all these former Rockets like James 500 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:11,400 Harden and Pucker didn't seem thrilled with him by the 501 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:11,920 end either. 502 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,039 Speaker 2: So yeah, well he gave PJ. Tucker more money than 503 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:18,400 anyone else is gonna get PJ. Tucker come on even 504 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,920 that though, like Martin McCain, Eric Gordon only gets you 505 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,880 to fifteen point three. Denny's at fifteen point six, so 506 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,559 you have to That's when you wait until the summer 507 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:32,000 of twenty five, twenty six when Denny goes down. And 508 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,480 that's the other thing kJ Martin. So I didn't check 509 00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:40,519 when his So you mentioned the second years non guaranteed. 510 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,880 Don't remember when the guaranteed date is. I think it's not, Yeah, 511 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,319 not until January, So like, oh wow, this is not 512 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,599 just a one year trade ship. 513 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: So the one year I didn't realize the guarantee date 514 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:55,480 was that late. 515 00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they can easily go into next off. 516 00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:00,319 You can keep him on the roster. He'll at eight 517 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,119 point two five million at that point. See what else 518 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,240 I mean again, there's no guarantee that. 519 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: The Thunder decided to move lou Dort. That'd be interesting. Yeah, yeah, 520 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:15,160 I mean just because they have Caruso, they have Jay Dubb, obviously, 521 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,960 they have Isaiah Joe and Aaron Wiggins. Maybe they're super 522 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,640 high on Dylan Jones, Cason Wallace. Is there not advocating 523 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,680 for them to move lou Dort. I'm just I just 524 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,680 think they can get themselves into spicier conversations than any 525 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,920 team that just did what they did have a business doing. 526 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,440 Is where I'm at with the Sixers. 527 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they think they have four first that. 528 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: They can move, so just a team values Jared McCain 529 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,160 as even a late first at this point out like 530 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,599 it's it has the drive off the lot effect, I'm sure. 531 00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:46,200 But yeah, like that's a four million dollar number two though, 532 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,680 to attach to kJ Martin. So it does open your 533 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,240 well of options, I would think a little bit more. 534 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean most of these guys are under 535 00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:58,400 contract beyond next season or could be under contract beyond 536 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,599 next season, so like they're they're not going to be 537 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:05,119 they're not ever going to have cap space again basically 538 00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:08,359 with as long as that being George and Max here 539 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,920 in town. But like, are they able to sneak under 540 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,920 the second or the first apron somehow next offseason? And 541 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,599 maybe that enabled them to take back more than they 542 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,000 send out. Probably depends on what happens with Kelly Bray Jr. 543 00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:25,079 Because he's got second year player option. I'm assuming he's 544 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,519 just gonna opt out and re sign for more Bobby Ports. 545 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,279 Speaker 1: Well, the way the market on fold of this year, 546 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:31,759 maybe not. 547 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's true. That's true. That's a good point. Yeah, 548 00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:37,559 maybe he takes the money and then then he's got 549 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:45,160 Foldberg really crazy ahead. Well, I I'm assuming they sold 550 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,400 him on because I think I forget where more he 551 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,960 said this, but he said, uh Uber had bigger offers elsewhere, 552 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:52,519 but they. 553 00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:57,599 Speaker 1: They always have bigger offers elsewhere. That turned down. 554 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,519 Speaker 2: That's that's a fair point, except for Caleb Martin. He 555 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:02,440 had a bigger offer Elsmere and he turned it down 556 00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:03,200 to the time. 557 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: For us, I have other topics for you. Yes, so, 558 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,839 mister Bryant Tapork, Victor webin Yama will be the what 559 00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:16,200 best player by the end of the twenty twenty four 560 00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:17,920 twenty twenty five NBA season? 561 00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:23,599 Speaker 2: It is so hard not to go very reckless. 562 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,079 Speaker 1: Well, the issue with him is, I'm wondering what there. 563 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,319 I'm sure there is something you could say that would 564 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,440 be reckless. But the problem with Victor woman Yama is 565 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,079 he is so good that nothing seems hyperbolic or reckless. 566 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 2: Right. Well, yeah, I think if you said he would 567 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,960 be the single best player in the NBA. 568 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: Well, okay, hold on, I'm not, I'm not. This would 569 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,160 not be my pick. I want to make it absolutely clear. 570 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:52,720 If the Spurs are sixth or something in the Western 571 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:55,759 Conference next season, is there a there's a non zero 572 00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:57,880 chance that he just wins the MVP Award. 573 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,279 Speaker 2: Right, I've considered throw five dollars on him just for like, 574 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:02,799 why not? 575 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: Although does p odds or they even like, do they 576 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:07,759 have odds? 577 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 2: I have No, I haven't looked, but I would assume 578 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,039 they're not great. 579 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:12,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would agree with you. I'm you 580 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,079 just curious, like or is everyone thinking along the same 581 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,240 lines as you? And so it's kind of just like 582 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,119 the Lakers effect of their odds are always going to 583 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,920 be inflated, deflated however you want to phrase it, but 584 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,200 their payouts not going to be as lucrative because so 585 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,240 many people are just investing in them to win the title. 586 00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:31,519 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so he's a that is, he is plus 587 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:34,720 eighteen hundred on FanDuel. So I would not actually put 588 00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:36,720 money on that because that is not high enough. But 589 00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:40,960 I know for DPOY, he's already like the yeah, a 590 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:44,680 minus one ninety favorite two months before yeah what two 591 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,039 months before the season starts? Like that's just insane. But 592 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,000 I mean, I think that speaks to part of the 593 00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:54,440 dilemma here. It's wild to have such a commanding DPOY 594 00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:57,240 favorite at this portion of the off season, but that's 595 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:01,279 that's the expectation for him, like here on out he 596 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,279 is a annual DPOY candidate, and then what he I think, 597 00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:09,359 to your point, like the evolution he showed throughout last 598 00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:13,400 season was frankly horrifying because you just don't see that. 599 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,559 You just don't see that type of improvement like during 600 00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:20,160 the season, like most improved player typically goes to a 601 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,759 guy who just got way better from one season to 602 00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:27,039 the next. Like if we were doing if most improved 603 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:29,880 player was who improved the most over the course of 604 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,559 the season, it should have been Webby last year. And 605 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,039 there's no reason to think it's not going to continue 606 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:39,920 along that development path because he he just seems to 607 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,960 be wired the right way, and it seems like the 608 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,920 people around him have been very conscientious about his health, 609 00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:51,319 knowing that he is this like such a unique prospect 610 00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:54,200 and that they've really been focused on, like let's build 611 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,799 up your lower body. Let's I know, leading up to 612 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,640 the draft, there was like so much focus on like 613 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,880 him working out his big toe, which was like something 614 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,799 I had just never heard of for a big man. 615 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,799 But apparently that's one of the big contributors to these injuries. 616 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:10,519 So all that is to say, like I think I 617 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:19,319 still have him behind Jokic, Luca Sga, probably Embiid, although 618 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:23,920 I don't feel great about that. Embid did drop seventy 619 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,599 on them though, so I'll give it to Embid for 620 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:34,480 one more year. Joanness, maybe Lebron, maybe Steph Like I 621 00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:36,359 think he's clearly going to be a top ten player 622 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,880 by the end of the year. Wouldn't shock me if 623 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,759 he's nudging up into the top like six or seven. 624 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,759 Speaker 1: Conversation, that feels like it might be the right number. 625 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:47,839 And it's just I think what's gonna come down to 626 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,640 is it might depend on how you value defense, because 627 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,000 he might he's a defensive monster. But also just I 628 00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:57,720 don't do we collectively have we appreciated how how many 629 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,359 strides he made offensively last year? He was shot to 630 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,400 close the season, so after he gets basically moved to 631 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,319 being the Spurs' primary big But that was about it 632 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,759 was in early December. He shot through the end of 633 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:14,279 the season thirty eight point seven percent on pull up triples. 634 00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:18,440 That's like, that's wild. When you look at the players 635 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,680 who attempted as many or more pull up triples as 636 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,440 he did during that span, the list of them who 637 00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:29,160 hit them at a higher clip or tree, Young Darius Garland, de'angelo, Russell, 638 00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:34,680 Kyrie Irving, Jamal Murray, CJ. McCollum, and Mike the God Conley. 639 00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:38,759 And it's just like one of these names is not 640 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,480 like the others. Like there are all these guards they're 641 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,359 ones or two's, and there's Victor Wembinyamo who's he's not 642 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:49,319 even a position, He's like a thingamabob. And I like 643 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,480 the fact that he has that in addition to just 644 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,559 the IQ on his vision and his passing, especially when 645 00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:58,440 he had space in San Antonio. I know progress isn't linear, 646 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,880 but like this, this was how watch it on YouTube, 647 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,240 Like it's just good. It was just going up the 648 00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,920 entire season last year. And so you named the players 649 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,720 that I would not be prepared to say, there's only 650 00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:11,519 four players to me that I think you look at 651 00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:14,240 and say he won't be better than them by the 652 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:16,920 end of next year. And that's Jokic, that is Shay, 653 00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:21,039 that is Luca and that is uh, who am I forgetting? 654 00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:22,039 Is it only three? 655 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:22,759 Speaker 2: Oh? 656 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: I would say no, I'd like I'd probably throw Jannis 657 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,400 in there. I'm willing when you factor an availability with 658 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,799 the embeid stuff, I'd throw him in there. I just 659 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,359 Lebron has kind of fallen off that. I know Jalen 660 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:36,400 Brunson is having a moment. I know Jason Tatum is 661 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,359 out there, but look, Jason Tatum can't even get minutes 662 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,039 for TUSA. 663 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,559 Speaker 2: What are we you in here taking Lemmy over Jason 664 00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:42,440 Tatum right now? 665 00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: Like that Patrol right Like, I'm not on the Jason 666 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,519 Tatum not getting minutes. But I'm gonna say he will be. 667 00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:54,640 I'm myself a one player cushion and say that he 668 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,680 will be. I guess it's the same answer as you 669 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,279 as you said sixth or seventh, and I'm gonna say 670 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,400 fifth or sixth like this is. I think we're gonna 671 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,880 be talking about him in the first team All NBA 672 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,880 conversation next year. I do. Do you worried all though 673 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,880 about how the Spurs' performance could technically impact that for 674 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,680 him to where it's I think you look at the 675 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:18,880 numbers and they killed people when he played with Devin 676 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,359 Vessel and Trade Jones, Zach Lows sided it a million times. 677 00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:22,839 But if you take Devin Vessel out of that and 678 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,880 just put in Trade Jones, they were still like a 679 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,039 plus six per underd possessions. You've now given him CP 680 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,599 three another year of Devin Vessel competent. I know Kings 681 00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:34,160 fans think that Harrison Barnes is like the worst player alive, 682 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:37,279 but you gave him like another kind of competent forward option, 683 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,359 at least offensively, in Harrison Barnes. There's like, you know, 684 00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:45,079 they could be better, but there's a chance they're still bad. 685 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,000 The West is brutal, and maybe the Spurs kind of 686 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,720 steer out of it. I don't think they would because 687 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,920 they signed CP three, but maybe it was done under 688 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,279 the agreement of we're gonna give you this money and 689 00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:55,400 if we need to move you mid season, we'll we'll 690 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,680 do that. Do you think that that could repress his 691 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,440 ranking at all? Because people are so You could look 692 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,240 at the minutes when we played and be like, oh, 693 00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:04,319 like they're beaten teams by like ten points for one 694 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,960 hundred posesions when he is on the court. But the 695 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,079 Spurs record is still they won twenty seven games, So 696 00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:09,960 he can't be the fifth best player in the NBA. 697 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it could affect to the All NBA candidacy. 698 00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:15,800 I don't think it should be held against him in 699 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,280 like the who's the best player in the NBA conversation, 700 00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:23,039 And maybe that might sound like those should not be 701 00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,880 those two things should go together, like in theory, the 702 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,280 five best players should be on all NBA first team. 703 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,239 But I think, as you said, obviously now the minimum 704 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,639 game requirement, so if he doesn't play sixty five games, 705 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,760 he's not even gonna be in that conversation. But I 706 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,119 think team success factors more into that where I don't 707 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,719 take that into consideration when I'm just thinking, like, okay, 708 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,400 who's the best player of this group? And you know, 709 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,920 like if I'm sure Celtics fans will be furious that 710 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,400 I said I would take Victor Webenjamo over Jason Tatum, 711 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,840 but like swap the two and which team is better 712 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,320 next year? You know, like, all right, the Celtics better 713 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,719 with Wenby than they are with Tatum? Are the Spurs 714 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,840 better with Tatum than they are with Wenby? I think 715 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:08,960 there's a clear answer there. 716 00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, that's just such a those are waters 717 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:15,400 I don't want to have to traverse the next season 718 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,239 where I do. And look, they're I'm not even putting 719 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,800 down their fans with like Celtics fans with Tatum Nick's 720 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,960 I've already seen some like player rankings come out. I've 721 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,000 seen where Jalen Brunson has been ranked, and I'm like, 722 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,119 all right, Like, Jalen Brunson had a fantastic year, but 723 00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:30,960 are we really putting him in the top five conversation 724 00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:31,519 right now? 725 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:32,159 Speaker 2: Uh? 726 00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:34,559 Speaker 1: So, Like, but they're gonna have cases and there are, 727 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:37,199 I mean, Sixer fans with Embiid will probably feel the 728 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,079 same way. I think Timberwolves fans with Anthony Edwards. I'd 729 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:42,599 still take Wenby over And look, maybe we're sipping the 730 00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:44,679 Wenby cool aid. We'll find out. But that is and 731 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,440 it was most of last season. This isn't oh he 732 00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:51,440 got hot. No, this isn't Jalen Green waking up in March. 733 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:55,199 This is Victor wemen Yama getting to play in position 734 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,679 or the proper position as of early December and then 735 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,400 just tear ring every other team a new one at 736 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,800 both ends of the floor for the rest of the 737 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,119 year as a rookie. There he finished. And this is 738 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:08,840 I'm sorry, this is the thing I can't get over. 739 00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:12,000 Rudy Gobert is one of the best defensive players of 740 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,760 our lifetime. He's a generational defender, and Victor wabin Yama, 741 00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:19,360 like could have won Defensive Player of the Year last year. 742 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,800 Like technically no, I think Rudy Gobert he was my pick. 743 00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:24,400 He should have won it. He was second as a 744 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,840 rookie to the only like to this generational guy, and 745 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,760 it wasn't because people were hopped up on the next 746 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,239 big thing. It was, oh no, he's just like dominant 747 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,800 on the end of the four I just I don't, 748 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,039 I honestly don't think if you predicted that he was 749 00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:40,639 gonna be the best player in the league, YEA would 750 00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:44,960 call reckless. I'd called bullshit. But he has rendered the 751 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,480 concept of hyperbole null and void. Basically, I'm right with you. 752 00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 2: I mean, it would not shock me if he's the 753 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,400 best player in the NBA while he's still on his 754 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,679 rookie contract. I'll say that, much like by the end 755 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,760 of year four. 756 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: When's the last time that happened? Was Lebron ever at 757 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,400 that point on his rookie deal, probably yeah, he was 758 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,360 like the best player in the league by year three. 759 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,519 Speaker 2: Right, Kobe Sands may disagree. 760 00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: But well they would be wrong, but that's so. Lebron 761 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,719 in year three was second in MVP voting. First Team 762 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,800 All NBA. So, and that was the year who maatione. 763 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,960 If it's the year that Kobe won MVP two thousand 764 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,400 and five, two thousand and six, who was the MVP 765 00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:30,440 that year? That was a Nash year? Right that? Dir No, 766 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,840 that was a Nash year. So he finished second to Nash, 767 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,199 which means he probably should have finished first. Uh yeah, 768 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:41,039 I think Lebron would have to be the the last 769 00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:43,480 time that that's happened, right, And if it's not Lebron, 770 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:45,880 is it was Jordan the best player in the league 771 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:46,400 by the end of. 772 00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 2: That was like the peak of Burning Magic still, right, So. 773 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,119 Speaker 1: Then it would probably have been one of them, like 774 00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:55,800 Magic or somebody who did like these or like just 775 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,679 coming out the gate and dominating. So I didn't even 776 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,599 think of it that So I'm gonna ask you, will 777 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:03,639 Viktor woman Yava be the best player in the NBA 778 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,079 before his rookie contract is up? He's got three more years, Yes, 779 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,679 I think. So I'm not going to rebuke it. I'm 780 00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:12,480 not going to make a pick myself because I'm choosing 781 00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,639 not to. But I don't have an argument again it. 782 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,599 Speaker 2: Maybe I've sipped a lot of the kool aid, but like, 783 00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:20,480 as soon as I saw that guy, it was you know, 784 00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:23,639 I don't know if he merited the same skepticism coming 785 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,679 in the NBA that Luka Doncic did from some people 786 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,960 out there, but yeah, as soon as we set on 787 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,239 the flayers, like, oh, okay, I get it, I can 788 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,960 I understand. I understand why everyone's freaking out about this guy. 789 00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:39,280 This makes total sense. So yeah, like I there, there 790 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,840 is just no there is nothing outside of his possible 791 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,840 range of outcomes, including best player of all time. 792 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: I mean it's not, it's not. 793 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 2: I mean, just who else has the package of dpoy 794 00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:59,239 favorite as a sophomore in the NBA, plus can also 795 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,360 shoot threes, average twenty five points in the game. He 796 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,760 average twenty is the rookie White Canny average twenty five 797 00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:07,360 in the next way, He's got Chris Paul playing all year. 798 00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: I think the only argument, and I'll give it. I 799 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,920 don't want to ever have to talk about it unless 800 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,000 it actually happens, because there is legitimacy to it. But 801 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,880 if you're harping on, well, maybe he his body just 802 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,239 won't hold up. That is almost the only argument against 803 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,320 this guy will not be the best player in the NBA. 804 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,039 For a sustained period of time at some point. 805 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we shall all be rooting against that because. 806 00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: That would really Yeah guy, I mean he's so fun. 807 00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean he's like I haven't played NBA 808 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,920 two K in a long time, but like back when 809 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,559 you did create a player, he's the exact type of 810 00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:41,880 player you would create, a seven foot four guy who 811 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,039 could block every shot and shoot threes. That's he's He 812 00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:47,559 is the most. 813 00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: Create that he create a player because you would think 814 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,000 that was too big, but he doesn't. He doesn't look 815 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,440 too big to play basketball. He just looks like great, 816 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,679 you know, Grant would say it this way. He looks 817 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,199 like a basketball player who's seven to four just happens 818 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,199 to be seven to four. It's not seven and four 819 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,800 guy who was forced to play basketball. 820 00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good way to put it. Yeah, I 821 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,599 guess the uh I didn't. I haven't played since they 822 00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:10,039 like starting all the micro transaction stuff, so it's probably 823 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:13,000 too expensive to build your own Victor web and Yama. 824 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:17,559 Speaker 1: Now, mister Tapoak, thank you forgiving me so much of 825 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:20,519 your time for one last time for a while. It 826 00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:22,400 was a blast. As always, are you able to tell 827 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,840 our listeners though, as usual where they can find you 828 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,880 in all the great work that you continue to push out. 829 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 2: Yes, although I don't know how much cook I'm going 830 00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:35,880 to be pushing out for the next few weeks. You 831 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,119 can find me on Twitter at b T O P 832 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,159 O R e K. I've been very dormant there and 833 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,960 very much might stay dormant, so I can't promise that 834 00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:46,000 I'm going to be pushing a ton of article there, 835 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,360 but follow me at Forbes at Liberty Bollers the career there. 836 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,159 It does great work, especially if you care about the 837 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,880 Sixers or hate the Sixers, which apparently seems to be 838 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,599 most of the NBA based on then the Team USA 839 00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:00,719 this summer. So if you want to just jump in 840 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,679 the comments section and call Joel and bed a communist 841 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,519 or whatever the hell is going on these days. 842 00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,639 Speaker 1: That was That was Gilbert Arenas in the comment section, 843 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,960 which it might. 844 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 2: Be it might oh yeah, oh my god, don't get 845 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,480 me started on uncle you. 846 00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: No, we don't even need to dignimy. That's one of 847 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,119 the I like to dunk on people sometimes, but that 848 00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:20,920 was one like, now, we don't need to give airtime 849 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,519 to what he actually said, because disgusting. 850 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess Royce White needed company and they just 851 00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:29,880 you've gone so far off the rail, like, how did 852 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,400 we get from point A to point being? So congratulations 853 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,719 gil you're making a name for yourself. 854 00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 1: Gilbert Arena ass Am, I right, Welton weal din h. 855 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,760 Thank you so much, Brian, this was great. I know 856 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,280 you'll be back on again in the future, but we 857 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,039 all here with you the best of luck as you 858 00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:51,280 welcome your second child, and with your continued coverage you 859 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,119 remain the best there. Thank you so much for all 860 00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:54,559 your time, as always, of. 861 00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:10,639 Speaker 2: Course anytime den to the book by name