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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Kaplis and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 1>edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>single day on your favorite podcast platform. The celebration continues

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<v Speaker 1>five oh five. Glad you're here, A good reason to

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate each and every day, and with Monday. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you can touch it, you can feel it, you can

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<v Speaker 1>taste it. Right now, what do you want to see

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<v Speaker 1>Trump do?

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<v Speaker 2>First?

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<v Speaker 1>That the very first thing you want to see him

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<v Speaker 1>do in terms of action? What do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear him say in his inaugural address? Eight five to

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<v Speaker 1>five for zero five A two five five texts Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Now I want to get your take on the president's.

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<v Speaker 1>Decision to move the inauguration indoors, if it in fact

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<v Speaker 1>was his decision. I assume that it is, but want

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<v Speaker 1>to get your take on that and so much more. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>if you would like to help contribute toward burial and

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<v Speaker 1>related expenses for one of the the victims of that

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<v Speaker 1>spree killer on the mall, Nicholas Burkette thirty four thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four Butcher to death on the mall and over twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hours after the Johnston administration knew that it had

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<v Speaker 1>a spree killer targeting the mall who was on the loose.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think any.

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<v Speaker 1>Security professional would tell you the expectation had to be

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<v Speaker 1>the way that that killer had committed those heinous crimes

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<v Speaker 1>was likely to kill again. Yeah, his life has taken

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<v Speaker 1>Nicholas Burkettes. So you can go to at dan kaplis,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find the go fundme or go directly to

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<v Speaker 1>go fund me honoring Nicholas and I cocho La S.

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<v Speaker 2>Burkett b U r k e Tt. His father Wing

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<v Speaker 2>was kind enough to.

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<v Speaker 1>Join us on the show yesterday and was just very

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<v Speaker 1>compelling in that conversation because as everybody knows that that's

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<v Speaker 1>just anybody's absolute worst nightmare and everybody lives in fear.

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<v Speaker 1>That call. My friend Ryan was supposed to be at

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<v Speaker 1>the inauguration on Monday. You still will be going. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just going to take a different form, you know something

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<v Speaker 1>I don't Well, no, no, I'm just wondering how are

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<v Speaker 1>you going to get in? Because they're only going to

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<v Speaker 1>be about twenty thousand in the Capital Center, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, my plan I don't want to give away the game.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I'll do it, but I want to get

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<v Speaker 3>down there. They had originally said when we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be on the mall, there's going to be security checkpoints

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<v Speaker 3>to get starting at six am Eastern times, so four

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<v Speaker 3>am this time in the Mountain time zone. So my

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<v Speaker 3>plan is going to be to try to get there

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<v Speaker 3>sometime during the five am hour before six am. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>assuming unless I find out other details to gain entry

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<v Speaker 3>to the Capitol One arena to try to be one

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<v Speaker 3>of those twenty thousand. Guess otherwise I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, your rocky like success has been a

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<v Speaker 1>testament to your ingenuity, and you always find a way.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have no doubt. I have no doubt you

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<v Speaker 1>will not only be in the arena, You'll probably be

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<v Speaker 1>on the stage if Trump will probably have you say

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<v Speaker 1>a few words.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how he does that every time. Awesome?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, it would be for everybody, everybody, crabably would

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<v Speaker 1>be for everybody, particularly for this Texter or my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, Ryan, Please, I am changing stations when

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<v Speaker 1>Dan comes on. He's the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's the only thing I'm wondering about.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend is This comes in like forty five minutes

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<v Speaker 1>into what would have been the start of my show,

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<v Speaker 1>But I was in a court hearing, so you started

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<v Speaker 1>the show. So if he hates me that much, what's

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<v Speaker 1>he doing tuning in forty five minutes into my show?

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<v Speaker 1>He can't get enough of you? You know that? Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what one of the very best things about

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<v Speaker 1>being on air for decades is I really appreciate the

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<v Speaker 1>people who disagree who listen, really appreciate that, and even

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<v Speaker 1>more so when they call or text Dight five to

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<v Speaker 1>five for zero five two five five, text DN five seven,

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<v Speaker 1>seven through nine. If it can be proven, says a

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<v Speaker 1>Texter in a court of law that Joe Biden is incompetent,

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<v Speaker 1>can is more egregious? Executive orders and pardons then be overturned,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Doug. Doug, in my humble opinion, No, and now listen,

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<v Speaker 1>do we have president. No. But the reason I think

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<v Speaker 1>that such efforts would fail, you know, barring something really

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<v Speaker 1>on the most possible extreme end, would be because we

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<v Speaker 1>have a mechanism in place, and the courts are just

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<v Speaker 1>understandably and should be very very inclined to defer to

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<v Speaker 1>the people through the political process. We've got this process

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<v Speaker 1>in place right for exercising the twenty fifth Amendment. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can remove a president through action by the cabinet

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<v Speaker 1>and then the VP, etc. And none of that has occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would expect that any challenges along those lines

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<v Speaker 1>to anything we've seen so far, and we've seen a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of bad stuff that know that that would not succeed.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, if we're sitting around with a six pack and we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to dream stuff up that Scotus might jump in

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<v Speaker 1>on and say that's a bridge too far. Assuming that

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<v Speaker 1>you could prove the obvious underlying that he's not mentally

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<v Speaker 1>competent to be president, then yeah, maybe on some extreme example.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think any of the lousy stuff we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>so far. Dan, The inauguration is being moved inside because

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<v Speaker 1>the very people that want to see Trump dead are

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<v Speaker 1>not to show up. I assume they mean to finish

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<v Speaker 1>that not going to show up inside. So they're suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>the security explanation, and has that been officially put out

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<v Speaker 1>there right? I mean a security issue for the inside move.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the explanation has been the weather right now,

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<v Speaker 1>If it was a security issue, whether or not they're

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledging that, then that would make perfect sense, right, given

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<v Speaker 1>what's already been directed to this president and the reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>assumption that you have a multiple evil nation states at

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<v Speaker 1>this point taking aim at this president because he is

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest threat to evil that we have seen in

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<v Speaker 1>our lifetime. I mean, in Ronald Reagan was a very

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<v Speaker 1>effective threat to evil and advanced the world tremendously for

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<v Speaker 1>the good. But I think Donald Trump at this moment

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<v Speaker 1>in time, the biggest threat to evil we've seen in

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<v Speaker 1>our lifetime. AHRDI let's get back to the calls, the text,

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<v Speaker 1>the TikTok thing, nobody seems to have an interest in,

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<v Speaker 1>which is really interesting to me because so many people

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<v Speaker 1>are in TikTok right now. I'll bet you if it

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<v Speaker 1>goes down, and I don't expect it to go down

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday, but with the Supreme Court clearing the way,

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<v Speaker 1>if at some point it goes down, then yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we'll get a lot of calls.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you on the talk? No?

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<v Speaker 3>I have an account, but I've deactivated it so many

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<v Speaker 3>times just because I don't want China Yeah spying exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>China spy.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want them to know about you anything. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to know anything marketing information air my friend.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care. China doesn't listen to the show. We

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<v Speaker 3>know you're big in Japan.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't think so.

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<v Speaker 3>You are big in Japan. You're Japan's favorite morning show.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not giving yourself enough credit when it comes to China.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be like by China. I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>them to know anything about me unless I give it

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<v Speaker 3>to them, and I don't want to offer it to them,

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<v Speaker 3>and I want to serve it up on a platter.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk's stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's one hundred and seventy five million Americans

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<v Speaker 1>on Tame.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's true. It's popular. Yeah, I'm just saying I

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<v Speaker 3>don't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Dan, only four hots and two cuts until Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden's weekend to Bernes's presidency is officially over. Awesome, very

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<v Speaker 1>well said, and you know, literally we have to thank God,

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<v Speaker 1>assuming we get there on Monday. We have to thank

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<v Speaker 1>God that it wasn't even worse during the Biden presidency,

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously he's awful to begin with, but then you

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<v Speaker 1>throw in this very sad mental decline and just the

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<v Speaker 1>peril of the nation's been in now at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen the world on fire because of Biden's weakness

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<v Speaker 1>and the democrats weakness. So many innocent lives lost, so

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<v Speaker 1>much terror, so much horror, all because of the weakness

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<v Speaker 1>of Joe Biden and the Democrats and so but it's

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<v Speaker 1>really almost mind blowing to think about how much worse

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<v Speaker 1>it could have been during that time. But yeah, thank

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<v Speaker 1>god noon on Monday. Dan Trump is so lucky it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be cold Monday. It would be a great

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<v Speaker 1>excuse for the low turnout. He's so tough, he can't

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<v Speaker 1>handle a little cold weather. This is hilarious. I so

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<v Speaker 1>wish this person would call the show, because what they

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<v Speaker 1>seem to have missed in all this is he won.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump won.

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<v Speaker 1>So the left ones to argue, Oh, he was afraid

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<v Speaker 1>of low turnout. Wait a second, he got the turnout

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<v Speaker 1>when it mattered on election day. Who cares how many

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<v Speaker 1>people are on the mall right by the way, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>un had a date night at the ABS last night,

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<v Speaker 1>had to detour because of traffic, so he drove past

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<v Speaker 1>the sixteenth Street mall. Just a ghost town, like a

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<v Speaker 1>total ghost town. But I guess it largely was before too.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so this I hope the left now and

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<v Speaker 1>I hope seeing an an MSNBC and everybody else tries

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<v Speaker 1>to say, oh, this is because he was afraid of

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<v Speaker 1>low crowds. The man won the election, and he won

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<v Speaker 1>the election handling now, Listen, I don't know what those

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<v Speaker 1>crowds would have been on Monday, because you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>there's one thing about Trump supporters.

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<v Speaker 2>They tend to work.

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<v Speaker 1>They tend to work for a living, and Trump supporters,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, working people don't have a whole lot extra money,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to take off for DCA. They got to

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<v Speaker 1>be somewhere, They got to be at work, They got

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<v Speaker 1>to be, you know, taking care of their families.

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<v Speaker 2>See, you know, they're working people.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they just don't have another grand or two

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<v Speaker 1>or three to take off to DC for an inauguration.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, it's uh in terms of handling the

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<v Speaker 1>cold weather. That's again why I wish this troll would call,

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<v Speaker 1>because yeah, the man got shot in the head, no

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<v Speaker 1>advanced notice, and within seconds, bleeding was up on his

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<v Speaker 1>feet saying fight, fight, fight, Yes, So anybody wants to

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<v Speaker 1>question his toughness, that person should probably share Joe Biden's doctor, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>if it can be proven not, we get to that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, my name is John.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there's problems out there, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>they moved the inauguration inside. I heard a lady on

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News talk about two surface tair missiles missing that

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<v Speaker 1>they thought had come across the Mexican border. I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if that may be part of it. You wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>it was a security concern, and you can understand why

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<v Speaker 1>if it was us, do you think they'd let us know?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think? Eight five five or five A

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that we would be informed Ryan, if

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<v Speaker 1>this is being done because of security? I do not, right,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who was at the last inauguration, Dan and Ryan

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<v Speaker 5>Mel Gibson is a very good guy. I've met him

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<v Speaker 5>never saw Braveheart. Okay, they showed me a tape. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>Moment kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>A Braveheart fan. But you you've seen.

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<v Speaker 6>But it was good that your Brave Heart moment, like

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<v Speaker 5>Don't think of that in those moments, you do what

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<v Speaker 5>when he in prime time, he was unbelievable. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>But it was. That was a great movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. President Trump he appointed these Hollywood ambassadors, Gibson, Stallone

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great question. I discussed it with Deborah Flora,

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<v Speaker 1>They will serve as special envoys to me for the

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<v Speaker 1>elect have a more dramatic impact on the nah nation

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<v Speaker 1>before he's actually sworn in. Can you imagine what is

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<v Speaker 1>and Wednesday is I'm expecting some stuff I'm not expecting.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just always been Trump's trademark. He had four

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<v Speaker 1>all types stuff. But I'm expecting the stuff I'm not expecting,

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<v Speaker 1>and that may very well be the best stuff. This

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<v Speaker 1>how you look at it. Eerie might texting us, oh boy, Dan, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>Having worked on the tarmac, not at DIA but Stapleton

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<v Speaker 1>gets progressively nicer. But we should stop saying that progressively

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<v Speaker 1>nicer because there's nothing nice about progressivism, right, so it

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, Eerie Mike compelled to text us from the

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<v Speaker 1>turmaic at DIA. You know Trump does care about the crowds.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember twenty twenty one, Mike from Eerie. Yeah, sure he does,

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<v Speaker 1>of course he does. You know, the guys got pride,

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<v Speaker 1>So Mike's theory is that he is moving the inauguration

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<v Speaker 1>knock yourselves out, Mike, everybody else on the left who

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<v Speaker 2>And if that gives you some comfort, I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>Bit. But here's what I come back to. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>no flaw in this logic that I can find. If

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<v Speaker 1>based upon everything I've seen, look at everything you've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Since election day, Trump has been virtually flawless. His team

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<v Speaker 1>has been virtually flawless. Not totally, but it's the human process.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's perfect. But the point is, whatever the reason for

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<v Speaker 1>that that probably was not it, then then yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>leave our friend Ryan literally out in the cold, which

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<v Speaker 1>is ironic here, right, it is because you were going

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<v Speaker 2>Now, how far back on the mall do you think

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<v Speaker 3>important people set, but probably not far behind that. I

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<v Speaker 3>was thinking about a third of the way between the

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<v Speaker 3>Capitol Building and the Washington Monument. That's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>like the range of which it was going to be

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<v Speaker 3>where the we're going to And it's just the whole experience, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of disappointed, but yes, but it will still

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<v Speaker 1>In any case, Ryan will be coming in and giving updates.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about it, and we've got another half hour. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you stay for it. The next time we get together.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump will be present the People Saved America again.

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump will be president once again.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't think about that as you think back to

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<v Speaker 1>the start of this year, right, what were we talking

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<v Speaker 1>that Donald J. Trump would win and that we would

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<v Speaker 1>turn this thing around. And I say we because the

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<v Speaker 1>American people saved America and Donald Trump primarily by being

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<v Speaker 1>willing to run again and stand up to everything he

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<v Speaker 1>you come back to that moment, I still believe was

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<v Speaker 1>divinely inspired. I do believe it was divine providence that

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<v Speaker 1>he just happened to turn his head that way at

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<v Speaker 1>that particular millisecond, saving his own life and saving America

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<v Speaker 1>from just unimaginable heartbreaking and turmoil. And so then the

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<v Speaker 1>ability of him to just come off the canvas bleeding

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<v Speaker 1>like that on this hot stage in Philadelphia. You've just

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, maybe someday we'll find out the confirming

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<v Speaker 1>facts is that moving the inauguration indoors on Monday is

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<v Speaker 2>Do you agree with that, Ryan, I mean so I do.

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<v Speaker 1>A security concern, and it makes perfect sense it would be.

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<v Speaker 1>he overcame. And isn't that one of the beautiful, sweet,

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<v Speaker 1>all of these negatives thrown at him, including twice trying

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<v Speaker 1>to take his life, have now only made him exponentially

425
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<v Speaker 1>more popular worldwide as he takes office. So it makes

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<v Speaker 1>perfect sense to me, especially since we already know that

427
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<v Speaker 1>it's been confirmed that around is trying to kill him,

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<v Speaker 1>that there are probably multiple states trying to kill him

429
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<v Speaker 1>right now, multiple states trying to kill him. Because you

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<v Speaker 1>think of the evil states around the world, you really

431
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<v Speaker 1>think it. I understand, though, they'll do the smiling thing,

432
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<v Speaker 1>and they'll do some of them will do the fake

433
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<v Speaker 1>diplomatic stuff. But evil is evil, and you look at

434
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<v Speaker 1>the things these evil dick tators have done in their nations,

435
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<v Speaker 1>and you look at the way they casually torture and

436
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<v Speaker 1>murder and rape and kill and pillage. Do you think

437
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<v Speaker 1>evil's just going to sit back and say, oh, yeah,

438
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<v Speaker 1>the American people said, Donald Trump gets three hundred and

439
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<v Speaker 1>twelve electoral votes, so so yeah, we just have to

440
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<v Speaker 1>get our tails kicked now. No, No, it's a iron's

441
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<v Speaker 1>going to try to continue to try to take them out,

442
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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. So it would not surprise me at all

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<v Speaker 1>if if it's being moved indoors for security reasons. Bottom

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<v Speaker 1>line is I trust Trump. I Trump trust his team

445
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<v Speaker 1>right now, and you look at how flawlessly they've performed

446
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<v Speaker 1>since election day, it would be a logical not to

447
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<v Speaker 1>trust them. Texter says Dan. The crowds would be there,

448
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<v Speaker 1>but I'm watching since I'm off on MLK. I wish

449
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<v Speaker 1>I could be there, but can't wait for this administration. Yeah,

450
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<v Speaker 1>and then as you hunker down, and I sure hope

451
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<v Speaker 1>you get the chance to. I know you may not.

452
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<v Speaker 1>You may have work stuff for other family commitment stuff

453
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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't let you do that. But some of the

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<v Speaker 1>gentle forecast, and I think it's starting to trend a.

455
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<v Speaker 2>Little bit better. Right, So it'll be.

456
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<v Speaker 1>Nine tonight is a low, but then four below tomorrow,

457
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<v Speaker 1>three below Sunday. I'm talking larger metro area ten below

458
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<v Speaker 1>on Monday, and then it warms back up on Tuesday,

459
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<v Speaker 1>but still really really cool. So I do hope you

460
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<v Speaker 1>have the luxury of being able to just stay home

461
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<v Speaker 1>on Monday, gather around the TV and just watch this

462
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<v Speaker 1>history unfold. Now that it's indoors, I wonder if that's

463
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<v Speaker 1>going to be a small space. The rotunda, right, Ryan,

464
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<v Speaker 1>I assume is where they're going to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>The Capitol Rotunda where you see state funerals for deceased

466
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<v Speaker 3>presidents will be where Donald Trump has sworn in and

467
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<v Speaker 3>jd Vance there. I can only imagine they can fit

468
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<v Speaker 3>on one hundred in there, maybe, my lord, something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about it when when Joe was working

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<v Speaker 1>in the Senate, he had the privilege working for Cory

471
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<v Speaker 1>Gardner and then then as a staffer for Pat Toomey.

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<v Speaker 2>He was able to get us in one.

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<v Speaker 1>Day when it was just us, it was just the

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<v Speaker 1>family in the rotunda, and it was it was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the coolest things ever.

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<v Speaker 2>And Ryan, it's incredibly small.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I could one hundred feet people fit. I mean

479
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<v Speaker 3>I would get in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but not it is really small.

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<v Speaker 3>So then you got twenty thousand at the arena, which

482
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<v Speaker 3>is where I'm going to be dropped off, And that

483
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<v Speaker 3>would work, okay if I get in, But you got

484
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<v Speaker 3>to figure dan twenty thousand in that arena, how many

485
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<v Speaker 3>tens of thousands are going to be there, would you say,

486
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<v Speaker 3>probably like one hundred thousand maybe, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's another thing that causes me to think it

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<v Speaker 1>might be a security thing. I mean, I think you

489
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<v Speaker 1>would have the option probably of using the football stadium,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you wanted folks who were going to

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<v Speaker 1>come gather in the football stadium, because then there'd be

492
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<v Speaker 1>a better chance to stay warm, you'd have the indoor bathrooms,

493
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<v Speaker 1>you'd have this, this, that that. But if it is

494
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<v Speaker 1>a security thing, you know, then then you're creating another target.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's much easier to just protect an arena

496
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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what we were told so far is that there

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<v Speaker 3>will be a staging area for the twenty thousand that

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<v Speaker 3>get in to Capitol One Arena, and that Trump and

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<v Speaker 3>Vans will be sworn in in the Capital Rottenda and

501
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<v Speaker 3>then they will make their way after being sworn in

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<v Speaker 3>to the arena to address the crowd assembled there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, that's why it's in my mind, it

504
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<v Speaker 1>would seem like it has to be a security thing,

505
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<v Speaker 1>because if you're Donald Trump and you have worked this

506
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<v Speaker 1>hard and been this courageous and overcome so much, you

507
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<v Speaker 1>want that moment of walking from the Capitol, standing on

508
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<v Speaker 1>that perch, looking down the.

509
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<v Speaker 2>Mall, looking at everybody up on the stage.

510
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<v Speaker 1>As you get to walk down those steps and deliver

511
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<v Speaker 1>your inaugural dress. You want that moment of, you know,

512
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<v Speaker 1>coming down Pennsylvania Avenue in that parade. I mean you

513
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<v Speaker 1>you want that moment. And that's why I mean the weather, No,

514
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<v Speaker 1>it's just not going to be cold enough for it

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<v Speaker 1>to be the weather. In my opinion, it's it's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be I would think a security thing. Man, Which

517
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<v Speaker 1>brings me back to can you give me just one

518
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<v Speaker 1>small diversion here, because it's it's one of the top

519
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<v Speaker 1>three most striking moments in my life, right after well,

520
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<v Speaker 1>top four being on the altar, getting married, the both

521
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<v Speaker 1>birth of our two children. But Joe and I were

522
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<v Speaker 1>staying at the Trump Hotel the week before Inauguration Day

523
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<v Speaker 1>in twenty seventeen, and so we got a room together.

524
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<v Speaker 1>We're watching playoff football. We got a big piece of

525
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<v Speaker 1>beef at the Great restaurant there, and it was it

526
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<v Speaker 1>was the year before that my dad had died in January.

527
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<v Speaker 1>So we're in the room and we have the two

528
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<v Speaker 1>beds in there, and he's in the one closest to

529
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<v Speaker 1>the window, and I'm in the other one. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>about two in the morning or so, and I wake

531
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<v Speaker 1>up and Joe's standing over toured there was a little

532
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<v Speaker 1>nook with a desk and everything. He's standing next to

533
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<v Speaker 1>the desk, and I say, hey, Bob, what are you doing.

534
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<v Speaker 1>It's like two in the morning. And then I look

535
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<v Speaker 1>over and Joe is in his bed. So there's someone

536
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<v Speaker 1>standing in the room next to the desk. Two in

537
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<v Speaker 1>the morning. Wow. And I look over there. The person's

538
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<v Speaker 1>right there. I look over there and it's my dad.

539
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he is standing there and he looks to

540
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<v Speaker 1>be probably about the age when I was born. He

541
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<v Speaker 1>looks to be late twenties. I was a college basketball player.

542
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<v Speaker 1>He was standing there and that. Wow, it's just every

543
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<v Speaker 1>time I think about it, yeah, just amazing. But yeah,

544
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<v Speaker 1>I believe it or not. That was in the Trump hotel.

545
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<v Speaker 1>And then we other wild thing is we wake up

546
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<v Speaker 1>in the morning and we hear marching bands and everything else.

547
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<v Speaker 1>They're practicing. They're practicing the parade because the inauguration is

548
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<v Speaker 1>a week away, so they have they have security out there.

549
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<v Speaker 1>They have not all the bands and everything. Some of

550
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<v Speaker 1>them come in during the week, but they have a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of the normal parade being rehearsed outside the window.

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<v Speaker 3>Was your father a fan of Donald Trump? Before you pass?

553
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<v Speaker 3>Do you know that? You?

554
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<v Speaker 4>Are you aware of that?

555
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<v Speaker 1>You know? My dad to keep peace in the family.

556
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<v Speaker 1>My dad never commented on politics. I mean only once,

557
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<v Speaker 1>well twice. I can remember as a little kid watching

558
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<v Speaker 1>the sixty eight Republican convention. We were watching on TV,

559
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<v Speaker 1>and he looked at it and he was disgusted and

560
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<v Speaker 1>he said, look, there's not a single black face there.

561
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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's white. And that really bothered him, and it bothered

562
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<v Speaker 1>me too. And it wasn't until obviously I got involved

563
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<v Speaker 1>in the Republican Party that I realized that the Republican

564
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<v Speaker 1>Party is as they're more committed to civil rights than

565
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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Party is. And at this point in time,

566
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<v Speaker 1>ryan Republican Party is infinitely, exponentially more committed to civil

567
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<v Speaker 1>rights for people of color than the Democratic Party is.

568
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<v Speaker 1>But at that time, yeah, I remember that comment, and

569
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<v Speaker 1>then what else do I remember? There was something else?

570
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<v Speaker 1>But he was such an enormously positive guy. Six three

571
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<v Speaker 1>two forty college basketball player, Chicago police officer. Never heard

572
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<v Speaker 1>him swear once. Never heard him swear once, but disciplunder

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he was that. But what a great guy. Hey

574
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<v Speaker 1>back in a flash here on the Dan Kapla Show.

575
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<v Speaker 4>And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast once again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we will have made it.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about what we made it through a presidency without

578
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<v Speaker 1>a president, I mean literally not mentally competent.

579
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<v Speaker 2>But the world didn't make it through that. And you

580
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:36.960
<v Speaker 2>look at just the.

581
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<v Speaker 1>World on fire and it can all be traced back

582
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<v Speaker 1>to Joe Biden and the left. But Monday at noon

583
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 1>we continue the progress Trump's already made, which brings us

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<v Speaker 1>back to the issue of why do you think they're

585
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<v Speaker 1>moving the inauguration indoors. I don't buy for a second

586
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.279
<v Speaker 1>that's weather. It's just not going to be the cold.

587
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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be high of twenty to twenty five

588
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<v Speaker 1>and low of about fifteen or so. Just don't buy

589
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<v Speaker 1>the weather. I think it's security. I think there's probably

590
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<v Speaker 1>a security concern and that's why they're doing it. Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless as a text or the reason to put the

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<v Speaker 1>ceremony inside. I was worried about being in outdoors was

593
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<v Speaker 1>too easy for an assassin. I'm very happy it will

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<v Speaker 1>be in a safe location. Listen, I've been saying it

595
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<v Speaker 1>on the show for a long time. Now. You look

596
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<v Speaker 1>at how incredibly effective he's been from mary Lago and

597
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<v Speaker 1>I understand he's made a couple of trips, and I

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<v Speaker 1>get that a president needs.

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<v Speaker 2>To bot but he is being so effective. I would

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<v Speaker 2>be very very happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be happy if he just stayed at mar Lago

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<v Speaker 1>and just didn't move around much, because I'm very very

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about his safety, or stayed largely in DC and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't move around much. He knows what to do, he

605
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<v Speaker 1>knows how to get it done other than the overseas stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't have to travel that much to be successful.

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<v Speaker 1>He's already, you know, won over enough of the American people,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has a ton of authority and political capital

609
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<v Speaker 1>and popularity here and abroad going in. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to bend over backwards to protect him and

611
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<v Speaker 1>let him now continue to do his thing. Governor Polis

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<v Speaker 1>just announcing, just announcing that the Colorado flag will be

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<v Speaker 1>raised on Inauguration Day. It's been at half staff obviously

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<v Speaker 1>for the passing of Jimmy Carter. President Carter. It will

615
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<v Speaker 1>be raised on Inauguration Day. And then put back down

616
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<v Speaker 1>to half staff for the Carter Memorial. But why wait

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<v Speaker 1>till five point thirty on a Friday before the inauguration? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think he waited this long to apparently

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<v Speaker 1>decide that or at least announce it. And yes, it

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<v Speaker 1>will be raised as it obviously should be. So I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get to some more of these texts. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's some sound I've got to play for you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Christy Nome, Will you end the use of the CBP.

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<v Speaker 6>Want app Yes, Senator, I confirmed, and I have the

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<v Speaker 6>opportunity to be secretary. On day one, CBP one will

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<v Speaker 6>be shut down. There's data and information in there that

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<v Speaker 6>we will preserve so that we can ensure we know

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<v Speaker 6>who's coming into this country and who's already here that

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<v Speaker 6>we need to go find. But also we make sure

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<v Speaker 6>that there's another program CCH ANDV which
