Speaker 1: How are the Alis Jumzumm your guest host Jay Dyer,
we have with us today a guest from the UK.
We've been wanting on my fourth hour for a couple
of weeks now to cover all the madness in the
UK with the rape gangs, with the cover up that's
been going on for decades now, and it ties in
directly to the history of the left in the UK.
We've covered this, as you guys know, the Fabian socialist history,
the history of H. G. Wells, bertrand Russell, all those
characters who actually talked about one hundred plus years ago
bringing in a large scale Islamic believers. It began with
Sufism and then it progressed into more and more Wahabi
Salafia strains of Islam. And so today with me is
the member of the Homeland Party that is Alec Cave.
You can find him on Twitter. We're gonna be talking
about his analysis and he's been putting out a lot
of information lately, especially tweets. Catch us up more recently
on what's been going on in the last few weeks
this cover up, and then maybe we'll go into some
of the history and what you and your party stand
for there in the UK. What's been going on with
this cover up? Is it actually a cover up? What
was Cure Starmer's role? Can you give us some information
on that, Alex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's been this horrific phenomena in the UK
where basically organized pedophile gangs, which are predominantly been operated
by the Pakistani diaspora, have been as I say, forming
pedophile gangs and they've been grooming young white British girls.
And it's not the thing that's so horrific about it
is it's not just you know, gang rape. It would
often involve torture as well. Some of the stories that
you'll hear about these cases are truly just so sickening
to the pit of your stomach, and they're just some
of the most saddest things that you'll ever hear. And
it's been going on for decades and it's been known
about by the authorities but not properly tackled for various reasons,
one of them being, you'll hear is because of political correctness. Obviously,
we've had this movement of anti racism for the past
half century, which is bait, and so the left basically
pointed every single institution and say, well, they're all institutionally racist.
And so what happened was is that the police didn't
want to tackle the issue for fear that they would
be considered racist. Because obviously, if they start charging a
disproportionate amount of Pakistanis for pedophile rape, then obviously they're
going to have the left wing establishment, you know, cry
at them and crow and cause all of these issues.
So rather than save young girls from gang rape, the
police decided to overlook it so that they didn't have
to endure you know, the media and left wing politicians
and whatnot demonizing them. So that's the gist of what's happened.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: You know, you've had campaigners for many years and trying
to raise the issue, but it's been very taboo in
this country. It's something that particularly you know, the middle
class in the liberal elite don't want to touch because
it makes them feel uncomfortable, you know when they have
their dinner parties.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, working class communities that have had to endure this,
you know, this horrific phenomenon. And just in the sick
one town alone of Rotherham, over a thousand girls in
one town were raped by organized pedophile gangs. But this
has flared up again. It's come into the conversation at
the start of this year. Elon Musk, as we know,
has been drawing attention to it, which you know is
a fantastic thing. You know, it's a great thing to
have the the world's richest man and the owner of
X speaking about this, and of course you've had many
people in the British establishment horrified that he would draw
attention to it, especially in the manner that he's doing so,
but that's basically what's happened, so it's in the discourse again.
One of the frustrating things is that so many people
that wouldn't touch this topic are now openly talking about
it as if oh, they've always been talking about it,
when they haven't. It's only nationalists in Britain that I've
really drawn attention to this issue, and that's quite sickening
that these people will only talk about this horrific phenomena
that's going on when it's politically expedient and politically acceptable
for them to do so.
Speaker 1: Now. I don't know your position on this in terms
of the big picture, but from my reading and what
I've seen, it looks like there are a lot of
high level people in the EU bureaucracy and in the
UK as well over the years who thought that they
could really signal their virtue and that they could really
have this diversity, this inclusive society. But perhaps that there's
actually a more insidious and more malicious approach that's behind
all this, which is intentionally bringing in, you know, cultures
that are not amenable to the West, people that do
not have any interest in, you know, being amenable to
the West or integrating into the philosophy of our society.
And I think that perhaps it's on purpose. I don't
know what your view on that is, but I see
it as an intentional way to essentially re engineer the
existing populations through demographic warfare.
Speaker 2: Well, certainly there are ideologues that buy into this multiculturalist doctrine.
So that will be another reason why these rape gangs
were covered up, is because you've got all of these
progressives that want to create this racially and ethnically diverse
society because they think that is true human progress.
Speaker 1: Alan thought, right there, we have a break. We'll be
right back with Alec Cave. Welcome back to the fourth
hour of the alex Jonesshoum your guest host Jay Dyer
of Jay's Analysis. You know, one thing that we do
on my channel, and that I've done over the years
is read the actual writings of the global elite. One
of those characters was a guy named Count Kudenhalf Khalergi,
who wrote a book called Practical Idealism in which he
says that Europe as it exists would have to be
essentially destroyed. Carol Quigley says that the Royal Society, the
Royal Supernational Affairs, a lot of the other socialist elite
of the UK decided to adopt that plan to help
in the process of destroying not just Europe but also
the West. And it's a well known strategy. It is
called the weapon of mass migration, which even academics write
famous public texts about. So really has nothing to do
with the conspiracy there. It has to do with social
engineering and warfare. In fact, warfare has four centuries from
millennia utilize the importation of foreign populations to disrupt some
other target audience or some target nation. Today, Alec Cave
joins me, and we were just getting into the perhaps
malicious intention on the part of the elite particularly in
the UK and across the West. It's the same in
the US as well. We have many malicious, especially left
minded elite and my view is that you have a
lot of really powerful people who utilize this sounds good, kumbaya,
let's all get together, diversity ideology, but it's actually a
weapon that's intended I think, to destroy and re engineer
the existing populations. And so Alec was just covering that.
I had to go to the break, So finish your
point on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like I say, there will be people that
genuinely buy into this egalitarian, progressive view of creating a
multicultural society, but of course there are other interests and
other nefarious people that want to promote mass migration for
their own reasons. Of course, big business they benefit from
mass immigration because it suppresses wages. But then the political
class also benefit because when you have a diversus population,
you then have a divided population. And of course there's
the old adage about divide and conquer, But then there
are other elements too. There's I think people are starting
to recognize that a lot of this migration is a
weapon against white populations, against European peoples, and I think
it's fair and accurate for people to say there is
an anti white agenda. Mass migration is absolutely used to
undermine and disempower the majority native populations. And yeah, it's
just it's completely sinister, and that's why the Homeland Party exists.
We want to actually reverse this process. We want to
reverse globalism. So we actually want to reverse mass migration
with the policy platform of remigration, which is a term
you might have heard floating around at the moment. This
is Europeans fighting back to reclaim their national sovereignty, to
reclaim their homelands. Because we don't want diversity, We don't
want multiculturalism.
Speaker 1: We never asked for it.
Speaker 2: And as we were speaking speaking about just at the
beginning of the show, what's one of the horrible consequences
of multiculturalism Pakistani pedophile rape gangs. Well, we certainly didn't
ask for those, and I'm afraid to say, the only
way you're going to stop that is if you encourage
these people, this fifth column, this community that hates us
to go back home. Because a lot of people want
to say, well, it was political correctness, Oh, it was
a failing of law enforcement, and of course you know
those things come into it. If you don't, if you
don't actually sanction and punish pedophile rapists, then guess what,
they're going to be more emboldened to do the horrific crimes.
But then you have to ask yourself, well, why were
they doing it in the first place. It's not because
of a lack of law and order. It's because they
hate the native population. You know, this was definitely ethnically
and religiously motivated against us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really sad. What's your view on why this
has been so successful in the West. You know, the
West used to be pretty solid in its own convictions
about its philosophy, its ideas. It's kind of, at least
in some sense, biblical heritage, loosely speaking. But the left
seems to have really played on the good natured attitude
that most people in the West have towards foreigners, towards
our kindness or virtues, and that they've really played on
that to put us in a mode of I would say,
foulk guilt. You know, we're supposed to feel bad for well,
there was once a British empire, and there was a
you know, colonies and colonialism in the French and the
Portuguese and all of these empires we're supposed to be
paying for, you know, this horrible debt of the past,
And to me, that's all just a bunch of Bolognian propaganda.
Do you think that it's mainly propaganda that has enabled
them to be successful? And is it a top down
thing that really isn't from the bottom up of the
working class in the West.
Speaker 2: Well, there's obviously multiple reasons why we're seeing the things
happening in the modern world. Part of it, I think
is liberalism. I think we're reaching the end stage of
the liberal worldview and ideology. You know, if you just
utterly and ruthlessly promote individualism and egalitarianism, well that's why
we've got the mass migration, because who are we, the
indigenous Europeans, to say and deny people's right to migration.
You know, we shouldn't have borders, you know, borders are
against human rights and things like this. So it's you know,
it's in part an ideological and philosophical problem in the West,
which is why you're seeing so many people reject liberalism
and turn against it. But like I say, you've got
the special interest groups like big business, you've got the
political class it suits them. And you've also got people
that just don't like Western Europeans very much and so
they want to attack an undermine us. So there's multiple reasons. Really,
you can't just point to one thing. But it's all
of these things culminating, which is why, you know, modern
society is so miserable. But like I say, that's why
we've got movements to kind of approach things differently and
reject these modes of thinking that have caused so much devastation.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not in any way an expert on you know,
UK politics, but in America we have this sort of
doopoly where there's a you know, a controlled you know,
Republican in name only only, the sort of pseudo conservatives,
and then we have you know, the very radical, almost
i would say, demonic Democratic Party, and that doopoly, that false,
that fake left right is really what allowed so much
degeneracy to make progress and so many you know, for example,
we just drove a across the US a couple of
months ago to Vegas and I noticed that they I'd
never seen before, which was mosques all over America. I mean,
I've never seen there was a mosque that had been
set up on an Indian reservation, which I've never seen before.
I've done a lot of traveling. But so Islam is
growing in America as well, and I see it as
also I'm not negating the Pakistani element, but I'm saying,
you know, Islam I think plays a role in this.
Would you agree with that? And Islam also promotes the
idea of child brides. That's also I think why it's
intentionally those kinds of people are brought in because they
have that kind of of a demoralizing pro rape philosophy.
Speaker 2: Certainly, the globalists have made an effort to import people
from the third World, so Africa, in the Middle East.
You know, in Great Britain we don't have many people
from East Asia, for example. Why is it only people
from the third World? And I think that's very much deliberate.
I think, you know, they don't want the Western world
to be as hegemonic as it has been for centuries.
They definitely want to disempower us. And so obviously if
you promote third world migration, then you know, soon enough
your own country is going to become third World. Certainly,
the natives have been disempowered, you know, like I just said,
a moment ago about liberalism. Well, one of the one
of the core pillars of liberalism is religious tolerance. And
that's why for many decades people have felt like they
couldn't speak out against having this kind of barbaric medieval
religion coming into our homelands because well, you're being religiously intolerant,
and that's one of our values. And that's why I say,
you know, people are finally starting to find their confidence
and say, well, actually, no, we don't want Islam here.
It's causing us problems. Obviously, Islam is quite a political religion,
and you're starting to see Muslims politically organize and start
to get elected into our House of Commons, and a
lot of people are very very much alarmed about that.
And again, so if your MPs, your representatives are all Muslims,
whe they're not going to be representing the indigenous population.
So again, it's about disempowering ordinary people. So again, only
the rich and political class get to remain on top
and rule in a way that only serves them, and
it completely demoralizes the rest of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again it's specifically a philosophy of worldview that
believes in child brides and doing these sorts of things.
And if you don't believe that, of course we've covered
that on my channel many times, and the debates I've
done with the sam Shamoon against most of the top
Muslims that are out there. I would like to add
to get your take on this. I read a good
bit about the history of the Fabian Socialists in the UK,
and they had a philosophy early on that classical Marxism
didn't work and it was time to update it. They
called it reform Marxism. Early on in the days of
the interested in Sydney Webb and George Bernard Shaw, and
the idea was to join it with a very wealthy
elite class in the West. They recruited people like David Rockefeller,
people like Henry Ford. Even was very interested in Fabian
Socialism at one point, so Keir Starmer. Interestingly, I noticed
I read some interviews with him and he pointed out
that he's very much a Fabian Socialist, a big fan
of that agenda. Is that a big part of this.
I read a book a couple of years ago by
a geopolitical analyst who said that in his opinion, the
false conservatives in the UK were some of the biggest
contributors to the problems in the UK because they really
had no grounding and they really just were, you know,
jellyfish that kind of caved to whatever the left wanted
every ten or fifteen years, you know, they kind of
moved the goalposts overton windows. Same thing happens with the
Republicans in America. What role do you think that Fabian
socialists play in Ker Starmer's ideology.
Speaker 2: I think a pretty large role absolutely. Kir Starmer is
a continuation of Tony Blair's legacy of New Labor, which
is to abandon its.
Speaker 1: More radical.
Speaker 2: Working you know, pro working class on the surface sentiments
of the Labor Party, you know, abandon the kind of
socialist label and present themselves as more moderate. But actually
they hold very very radical beliefs. But because they present
themselves as moderate, people then let their guard down and
so they then bring in their radical reforms. And that's
why Great Britain has transformed so fundamentally under New Labor
rather than Old Labor. And Keir Starmer's very much a
continuation of that. Again, you know, he's not going to
be trotting out these overt you know Communist or Marxist statements. No,
he'll position himself as more moderate and more center, and
that's how they managed to subvert our society, you know,
but actually implementing radical policy. Fortunately enough, you know, society's
declining so quickly that people are starting to abandon the
Labor Party, which is very good to see. So hopefully
we'll never get a Labor majority government ever again. But
for the time being, we're stuck with them, and they
absolutely are going to implement radical policy, which we'll accelerate
the decline of our country until we turn it around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a great book on this that I recommend.
I've done a few lectures on. It's called the Milner
Fabian Conspiracy. And really this guy's a Romanian historian. You
really just chronicles and charts the statements of the Fabians
themselves of the last century plus, and you know, they
were some of the early in the UK to say
we have to replace the existing Christian population in the West,
which are predominantly white, and we're going to do that
by importing any other foreign groups that have a countrary ideology.
It just so happened at the turn of the century.
Last century, they felt that Sufi Islam would be the
first kind of easy way in because Sufism tends to
be more syncretous and more open. And then later on
it took on more and more of a radical Islamic
philosophy with Sunni and Hobby and all of that. And
I remember when I went to London twenty eighteen, you know,
it was very Islamic. I'll say so, I mean, I
can't imagine. I mean, my wife had she went to
London in two thousand and three, and so she said
she didn't recognize the country in twenty eighteen nineteen when
we went, because it was basically Londonistan. So I don't
know if you do you think what am I trying
to say? Do you think that the that Islam is
the perfect skeleton key perhaps for not just the UK,
but also that you you know, to bring in this
ideology to essentially destroy it. I don't know if you
remember General or General Wesley Clark, but he was when
he was at NATO. He said that it would be
absolutely necessary for NATO to destroy the existing European countries
and opening the borders would be the key way to
do that.
Speaker 2: Well, certainly one of the issues we're having is that
because obviously the crimes that are coming from the Islamic
community in Western countries are you know, like the terrorism,
like the gang rate and stuff like this, that people
can sometimes get so focused on Islam that they think, oh, well,
if we just remove the Muslims, then everything would be fine.
But the thing is that we're still importing non Islamic
people en mass into our countries and that's equally just
as destabilizing. So, you know, you get everybody up in
arms about Islam, but actually the problem is the fact
that we're just being demographically replaced by people that aren't us,
that aren't our own people. It doesn't actually, you know,
Islam is a huge concern. Of course, Islamism is a
huge concern, But I'm concerned overall at the fact that say,
the English people are being made a minority in England
by people who aren't English, regardless of their religion. I
am totally opposed to that, and that will cause nothing
but trouble.
Speaker 1: What are some of the other groups besides Pakistani that
have been large scale imported.
Speaker 2: Well, of course we've got Third world migration, so we've
got migration from Sub Saharan Africa, so you see, this
phenomena of knife crime and gang culture is a real
issue in places like London, so people, you know, people
no longer safe. They can't even walk the streets without
potentially having their phone or watch stolen.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I was just speaking to one of my colleagues in
the party, and who's telling me about how in his
town just the other day, you know, a Sub Saharan
migrant just went up to two people at a bus
stop and just decided to stab them in the neck.
It's not even like they were rival gang members. These
were just ordinary people just waiting at a bus stop
and they got stabbed, you know. And these are the
kinds of insane, barbaric, mindless criminality that we're importing into
our country.
Speaker 1: And for what reason, Oh.
Speaker 2: Because it makes progressive liberals feel good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I met with a bookstore owner and I
think at about twenty nineteen, and I noticed that in Nashville, Tennessee,
we had a massive importation of Somalians. Why would we
have Somalians apported to Nashville, Tennessee? And I met this
liberal bookstore owner who pointed out that well, I worked,
He said, I work for an NGO and that's you know,
what was the virtuous thing to do. We had to
help and bring all these Somalians here because we're a
NGO that's helping people, but it's not helping people to
destroy your people and to destroy your society and your community.
And since twenty nineteen, you know, National has changed tremendously
from being a kind of a small southern big town
to now growing into more like Austin, Texas, with a
much more diverse population which includes probably soon other African groups.
So yeah, I understand.
Speaker 2: Funny you mentioned Somali because in Great Britain, the majority
of Somali immigrants are on welfare. They don't work. We're
literally importing these people from third world countries do not work.
We're often told, do we need these people to boost
the GDP, to contributes to economy. You've got certain diasporas
that literally the majority of them don't contribute anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly the same in the US. In fact,
I have a friend in Ecuador and he was telling
me last year that the Biden administration was putting up
ads throughout throughout Latin South America for migrants to come
to the US. Mediate job being a trucker or EBT cards,
which is welfare. Uh So they're even advertising in other
countries to do this. And being Biden said when he
before he was elected to storm the border to those
in Latin and South America. So it's it's the same
strategy in the UK, Europe and the US. And and
to back up your point about the Africans that we
went to Italy last year and we went to places
like Genoa and I didn't recognize any native Italians, not one.
And in the entire city of Genoa, Italy, there was
no Italians. It was all Pakistanis and it was Africans.
And you know, you've had thousands of people from Africa
get off boats onto the islands off the coast of Italy.
And I would imagine it's the same in the UK.
And the NGOs play a big role in this. That's
what I wanted to get to next. You know, Soros,
not just Soros, other countries and their NGOs play a
key role in this as well, which seems to be
very international and organized.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, we've in the UK we've had this problem
of the small boat's crisis, where basically just unauthorized immigrants
have been crossing the English Channel and rocking up on
our shores. And then the government then puts these people
in free four and five star hotels and then basically
it's just rubber stamping them all for asylum. And as
you know, there's this problem where they just throw away
their documents so we don't know who they are, but
we just grant them asylum and then of course they're
just going to live off welfare. And it's just it's
literally national suicide. And obviously the NGOs have a part
to play in that. They obviously help these migrants with
the dinghies and what have you. And you get all
of this fluff from the politicians about oh, we've got
to crack down on the criminal gangs. But it's all
well and good saying that, and even if you do
arrest some of them, it's so lucrative, and of course
you've got these international billionaires like Sauros will just keep
funding and founding new ngngos. So you know, that's not
the way to deal with it. The way to do
it is to enforce your borders to have zero tolerance.
If you come into our country, you are not being
granted asylum, we will send you back, that's how you
do with it. None of this nonsense about oh well,
well we will prosecute the criminal gangs because more will
just crop up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so many other countries that the people in
the West who are left as like to point to,
like China or something like that, that they do not
have open borders. They have very restrictive borders, even countries
in Latin North America, Latin America, very very restrictive policies.
Yet we're supposed to in the West because of being
browbeaten with fake guilt, just allow anybody, all numbers of people,
and it's all paid for by the taxpayers. And as
you pointed out, it actually ties into criminal gangs and
human trafficking. And know in America we've seen the Roman
Catholic Church in some sectors and certain archbishops actually colluding
with some of the NGOs to foster human trafficking. I mean,
I'm assuming it's probably going on in the UK as.
Speaker 2: Well, most likely. Yeah. You know, Elon Musk did a
space yesterday with the leader of the AfD and one
of the things he pointed out is, you know, you've
not just got the problem of the NGOs, but the
fact that the law isn't enforced. So people like Saros
recognize this and exploit this. You know, they deliberately lobby
so that our governments can't function and can't do their
basic role of governance and providing security and protection for
the cities. And you know, we've got the laws. The
laws exist to stop the grooming gangs, to stop the
illegal immigration, but they're not enforced. And there's so many
layers of bureaucracy that the politicians use as an excuse
of oh, well, we can't act on it. Oh we
can't do this, and we can't do that. Where you can,
but you just won't because you're corrupt and you want
this to continue, whether it's because you're serving special interests
or you're ideologically invested. And that's why we need a
new elite, a patriotic elite who don't want to destroy
their own country.
Speaker 1: What would your messes be to people in the US
who have the exact same problem as you, You know,
what is the message? What is the platform of the
Homeland Party? And maybe you would like to inspire, you know,
people in the US to also perhaps start parties like
that as well. What's the platform and messages that you
guys have well.
Speaker 2: So one of the things that the United States and
the United Kings and share is that we have first
past the post electoral systems, so we don't have proportional representation.
Obviously in your country you have states and what have you.
And in our country we have seats in Westminster where
a representative wins that seat for the constituencies. And this
leads to this problem of basically having two main parties
always dominate and it's always very difficult for smaller parties
to get a foothold. What the Homeland Party is doing
is we promote community politics and we work with the
system as it is. You know, we promote candidates in
these areas and they work their ward and they build
up a reputation and they build goodwill with their electorate
so that they can then get a good vote and
hopefully win the seat so that they can actually make
it into the House of Commons eventually. Because you've got
other parties like Reform UK, which you may be aware of.
You know, they want to win just by having millionaires
donate to them. They have flashy pr and then they
hope to win just through sheer national popularity. Whereas obviously
we're genuine, we're grassroots, and we're actually radical and have
the solution, so we don't have that luxury