WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:07.960 Oh geez bote, it's showtime. 2 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:10.599 People say good money to see this movie. 3 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:12.160 When they go out to a theater. 4 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:15.199 They want cold sodas from a pot, popcorn, and no 5 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:17.199 monsters in the protection booth. 6 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:19.199 Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 7 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:48.119 Cut it off, la. Lots of ways a girl can 8 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:49.039 get into trouble. 9 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:51.719 Gimme kiss? What gimmy kiss? 10 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:55.240 And the surest way is to be a lady. 11 00:00:55.479 --> 00:01:02.560 Captain, you have the right to remain side, but no lady. 12 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:06.239 And have to take the ris like to ask a 13 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:07.599 couple of questions. 14 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:09.519 That's a taint it. 15 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:12.120 This is whoopy? 16 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:14.599 What kept you stopped to pick up a sailor? 17 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:15.079 Yeah? 18 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:17.280 I almost had one too, but your mother beat me 19 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:19.239 to him. 20 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:21.879 You're no way of party talked hard meat it. 21 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:28.159 She's got the moves, she's got the mouth. This place 22 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:29.640 a real mess. You know where we can find a 23 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:30.079 good maid. 24 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:32.959 You know, people like you are the reason abortion is legal. 25 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:35.480 She's got the badge. 26 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:41.480 We talk the free, nice smooth honnie. 27 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:43.560 But she's got to have his help. 28 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:45.760 Let me follow you around for a little while. 29 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:48.560 To stop a killer. 30 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:55.040 What I'm sure they want, fatal beauty, What. 31 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:56.000 The hell are you doing? 32 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:56.319 Here. 33 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:01.439 I've missed you too, but he go. Everything got a 34 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:08.240 whip here. Perfume shot. 35 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:13.240 Yes, honey, I know I shot you one word and 36 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:15.080 I'm going to clear your signs. 37 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:21.560 My cats, so you gotta shoot him. 38 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:30.560 Well we go, Sam Elliott, I can't let you go 39 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:37.560 anywhere that make anna Fatal Beauty. You're probably undercover, your 40 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:38.400 lousy teste. 41 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.599 Welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host. Mike White 42 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:48.639 joined me once again. It's mister Rob say Mary. 43 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:51.360 Everywhere I go people are dying to meet me. 44 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:55.360 Also dragging me for this month long extravaganza is mister 45 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:56.319 Kevin Layne. 46 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:59.159 And don't call me bitch, Hi, Mike. 47 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:03.080 We continue Whoop Brewery what they look in nineteen eighty 48 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:06.360 seven's Fatal Beauty, Directed by Tom Holland and written by 49 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:08.759 Hillary Henken and Dean Reiser and based on a story 50 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:12.800 by Bill Spenno. The film stars Whoopy Goldberg, of course, 51 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:16.240 as Rita Rizzoli. Of course. She's a smart, talking, street 52 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:20.639 wise police detective who runs across the designer drug Fatal Beauty, 53 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.000 and she has to take it off the streets to 54 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:26.560 avoid unnecessary deaths. We will be spoiling this film as 55 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:28.400 we go along. So if you haven't seen Fatal Beauty 56 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.120 and don't want anything ruined, please turn off the podcast 57 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:33.520 and come on back after you've seen it. We will 58 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:34.319 still be here. 59 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:35.039 Rob. 60 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:37.280 When was the first time you saw Fatal Beauty and 61 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:38.080 what did you think? 62 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:40.639 Well, the first time seeing it all the way through, 63 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:43.759 I think was for this episode. I think these Whoopy 64 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:50.199 Goldberg comedies were often in rotation on TV in the 65 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:52.639 nineties and that so I think I may have caught 66 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:55.199 snippets of this one or Burglar or Jump a Jack. 67 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:58.439 Flash is hard to remember, but to actually sit down 68 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:02.039 and really watch it in her was this episode. I 69 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:05.400 thought it was really good. It reminded me of its era, 70 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.039 given that it was made eighty seven. As I was 71 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:10.680 watching it, I got a lot of feeling that this 72 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:15.520 is a female version of Beverly Hills Cop. Maybe that 73 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:19.839 just has to do with certain sort of casting scenario. 74 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:24.240 Obviously she's a comedian and Eddie Murphy as well, but 75 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:28.439 just it's a good, little least procedural. And this was 76 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:33.240 in that era when Sam Elliott was quite handsome and 77 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:35.040 I remember as a. 78 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:41.040 But it's okay, those those insurance commercials I'm seeing he's 79 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:43.600 looking a little long in the tooth, but yeah, oh 80 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:46.199 my god, what a cool drink of water this guy is. 81 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.800 Yeah, and I remember it was around this time that 82 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:51.959 I don't even think my mother had a photo of 83 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:54.000 me on her desk, but she had a photo of 84 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:58.399 Sam Elliott on her desk at around this time. So 85 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:02.399 this just brought back my flashbacks to my mother and 86 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:07.199 her loyalty to Sam Elliott. And I'm sure that if 87 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:09.120 she hasn't seen this, I'll be buying her a copy 88 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:09.639 on DVD. 89 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:14.439 Most urgently, was Sam Elliott a rival for your mother's affections? 90 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.120 I don't really want to get into that here because 91 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:20.079 I'm afraid that my insurance won't cover those kind of. 92 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:21.879 Discussions here mind, Yeah, it might be good to save 93 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:24.879 that for your therapist. And Kevin, when was the first 94 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:27.079 time you saw Fatal Beauty and what did you think? 95 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:29.879 I saw this for the first time about a year 96 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:33.319 ago or maybe two years ago, and the thing that 97 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:35.839 jumped out at me on that first watch was it 98 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:39.399 was a lot more straight and a lot more violent 99 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.800 than I expected. It was a proper action adventure film, 100 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.079 and it wasn't as comedic as I was expecting. From 101 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:50.879 a Whoopi Goldburg film, and I had the last three 102 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.560 of these films all scrambled together. They were all quite 103 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.800 similar to me, and there were a lot of overlap 104 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:59.800 with scenes with her taking on these different personas and 105 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:02.560 Stufe it could be her character from Bergner, it could 106 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:04.879 be her character from Jump with Jack Flash. But that 107 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:07.600 was my main takeaway was that this was a really 108 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:11.199 violent cop movie and not at all what I expected, 109 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.920 and I enjoyed it then and on this rewatch I 110 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:15.959 enjoyed it even more. 111 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:16.959 Yeah. 112 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:19.160 Again, I don't know when I saw this one. Rob 113 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:23.040 was saying, it was ever present, and like you, Kevin, 114 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:27.120 I definitely scrambled up these things. But yeah, Fatal Beauty 115 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:30.360 just stands apart for me like this is. And it's 116 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.720 unfair because we've talked about two other movies before this, 117 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:37.600 which were good. I really enjoyed both of those, but 118 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.279 Fatal Beauty for me is like up on that pedestal. 119 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:44.560 I really like this movie, and yeah, it is so 120 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.600 freaking violent. I forget about how violent some of these 121 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:49.759 movies were. It just works. 122 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:50.560 It works. 123 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:55.079 Yeah, it's so good, and it's so strange because Bill Spanno, 124 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:58.399 as I said, wrote the original version of it, and 125 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:00.800 we'll hear from him later and hear what that was like. 126 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:03.519 It was called extreme Measures, and he really describes the 127 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.160 character as being like a dirty Harriet type of character. 128 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:09.920 But Hillary Henken, it feels like she is the one 129 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:13.240 once she got assigned this that she took it across 130 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:16.639 the finish line, because there's a draft out there from 131 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:21.040 Milius which is even more violent and is pretty shocking 132 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:22.879 when it comes to some of the violence in there. 133 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:27.279 Millis Millius, I know it's crazy, right, I thought he 134 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:28.720 you turn into a kids movie. 135 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:30.839 It's not as good of a script. 136 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:31.839 Though, no it's not. 137 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:33.319 They made the better vversion. 138 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:37.000 They definitely did, And but his version is weird because 139 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:40.240 it says based on a screenplay by Hillary Hankin, and 140 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.560 I'm like, oh, okay, not this is my draft. And 141 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.600 there's even like a little note down there about who 142 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:48.839 gets credit and these kind of things. And then the 143 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.959 next draft I read it's pretty much the shooting script, 144 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:56.600 and that's Hanken. That's a riser who he used, not 145 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:59.000 the one that worked with her on Roadhouse. I'm trying 146 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:02.040 to remember what else he wore. But then also I 147 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:05.120 am pretty sure that Tom Holland, the director, not the 148 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.079 actor who Rob and I were talking about how negative 149 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:11.879 aged he must have been at this point, a young 150 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:15.360 spider man. No, the director, Tom Holland. It seems like 151 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:17.759 his mark is on there as well, because it feels 152 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:21.279 like it's what ninety nine percent of what we see 153 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:22.800 on screen. It's very close. 154 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:27.600 Although where it differs, I think there are important differences 155 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:30.360 between the script and the film that I'm hoping to 156 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:32.840 talk about. But yeah, this is one of these films 157 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:36.120 where almost every problem is solved with a gun. It's 158 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:38.559 just shoot a door to open it, shoot a chart 159 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:41.080 tire to stop someonech chasing you, shoot anyone that's walking 160 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:42.960 away from if they turned their back and you shoot them. 161 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:45.600 And I love it. 162 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:48.639 It's funny that you said dirty Harriet and then Milius 163 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:51.360 got involved, because of course he had some hand in that, 164 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.399 and as Kevin, you were saying, this is just part 165 00:08:55.399 --> 00:08:58.919 of that era. That whole thing started in the seventies. 166 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:02.360 Obviously Dirty Harry picture. But it seemed like as we 167 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:06.000 got into the eighties and got into this sort of yeah, 168 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:13.720 just violence solves everything, it just became light entertainment. 169 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:17.440 Or putting on a persona acting out a fictional character 170 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:19.679 version of yourself. You tend to do not a lot 171 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:21.600 as well, walk in somewhere and just pretend to be 172 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:24.919 somebody else and black out your way through. It's a 173 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:25.919 staple of the genre. 174 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:28.879 Oh, which is perfect for Whipopy Goldberg because that's what 175 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:30.960 we've been talking about for these last two weeks, was 176 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:34.080 just the way that she puts on these different personas 177 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:35.840 and can do it at the drop of a hat. 178 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:39.559 It's very similar to the whole asking Axel something and 179 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.480 he turns around and suddenly is a completely different persona, 180 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:45.639 like walking into the club where Victor Maitland is and 181 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:49.759 suddenly he adopts that kind of fay homosexual persona that 182 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:53.759 he's doing. And this movie starts with Whoopi Goldberg. This 183 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:57.440 is so unusual for a female cop to play a prostitute. 184 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.120 That never happens in the movie. So she is completely 185 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.879 dulled up. And the way that she's fragmented during these 186 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:06.639 opening credits where you see the shoes and then you 187 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:09.919 get the ass, and then you get the glasses and 188 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:13.080 then finally you get Whoopy And here she is putting 189 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:17.440 on a complete character of this prostitute. But yet she's 190 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.480 really torn because she's a prostitute, but she's really a cop. 191 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:22.960 So when she sees violence happening in this bar where 192 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:25.519 she's supposed to be making this drug deal, she has 193 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:28.960 to step in and that really blows her cover. And 194 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:31.759 it took me a long probably until the last time 195 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:34.519 I watched this the other night to realize that one 196 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:37.679 of the guys that sees her on the street makes 197 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:40.240 her as a cop. When she says it freeze police, 198 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:45.639 I know that that's when fred Asparagus realizes the gang member. 199 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:47.559 I was like, oh, I didn't realize that this kid 200 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:49.519 was here. And also at the end of the movie, 201 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:52.759 I don't know what the hell was going on, but yeah, 202 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:54.519 and then I just real quick, I have to call 203 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.919 out fred Asteragus as dig Ado. I guess his name is. 204 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:01.159 I just talked about him last month when we were 205 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:05.039 talking about the Three Amigos, and he plays the bartender 206 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:10.399 at the little sleepy town and he looks completely different. 207 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:15.120 It's amazing the transformation of him from the skeezy bartender. 208 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:21.960 Excuse us, we're not Mexicans, we're from out of town. 209 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:24.279 We were wondering if you could tell us where the 210 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:25.440 best hotel in town. 211 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:27.480 Is there's no hotel in this town. 212 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:29.240 Great, no hotel. 213 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:31.639 I could kill somebody. 214 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:39.039 We have heard of you, No kidding, I have a 215 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:39.879 message for you. 216 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:47.519 Germans says to wait here to this massive gay drug 217 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:50.440 dealer with the wonderful like. I don't know what kind 218 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:52.679 of hairstyle that is, but it's great in the little 219 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:55.600 pinky ring and everything. I mean, hats off to him 220 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:59.279 and every single character, every actor in here, even the 221 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:02.799 guy that is doing the violence against the woman at 222 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:06.240 the beginning, that's familiar face as well. That's the guy 223 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:09.840 who was Michael Ironside's man at arms in total recall. 224 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:12.120 I absolutely love that dude. 225 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.240 One of the things that I really like about her 226 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:19.000 character and here, and this becomes prominent a little bit 227 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:22.440 more later, is that, like you said, part of what 228 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:25.440 blows her cover is she sees this violence against someone 229 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:28.720 one of the street people, and you learn her connection 230 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:32.120 to those people in a way that they're her best informants, 231 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:34.799 they're her best people. She has a humanity for them 232 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:40.960 that I think might have been underwritten in if it 233 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:43.399 was maybe a male character. I don't know. This is 234 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.679 maybe some way in which there's some sort of community 235 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:49.519 that's built with her character in that way, and I 236 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:51.919 really like that. At the same time, I had a 237 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:54.559 note here about in that opening because of some of 238 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:56.840 the stereotypical pieces, and I was talking about the queer 239 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.360 code character and things like that. As I wrote here, 240 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:03.639 I go, is mega, I'm like anti Mexican talk heard 241 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:07.519 the cheech as the bartender. So there are some kind 242 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:11.159 of cringey racist jokes in here that but you have 243 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:12.360 to remember it's nineteen eighty seven. 244 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:15.200 I want to cut that blanchet please, and don't speak 245 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:17.799 those fans because I don't understand what the fuck you're saying. 246 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:19.039 Do you want a glass? 247 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:19.559 So? 248 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:21.399 What do you want a glass? 249 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:21.679 Do? 250 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:23.360 I want to know? Wrap it in the tap of 251 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:24.200 dumb motherfucker? 252 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:26.399 Yes, I want to go what is this Sto't be 253 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:28.799 doing this shit to me, honey, because I know you people. 254 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.080 You people come up here under the bushes and shit 255 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:34.080 and then you want people like me, hard working people. 256 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:35.639 Like me, to get down or you to get to 257 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:36.960 you and got no teeth brushed. 258 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:41.000 There's two things I noticed from the opening. One is 259 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.519 that it appeared to me that she's wearing like the 260 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:47.519 Dorothy Ruby red slippers and she's walking on the streets 261 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:51.720 because they're like the same look, they're bejeweled, and that's 262 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:53.960 a choice. You could pick anything, but you chose those. 263 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:57.200 And the other thing is that her introduction to the script 264 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:00.200 is the same scene, but in the film when she 265 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:03.159 walks into the bar, she starts monologue again, she starts 266 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.159 putting on a persona and that's all ad libbed based 267 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:09.120 on the differences between the script and the film, and 268 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:11.639 that immediately just puts me at ease. It's, Oh, she's 269 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:14.080 having fun, she's here, And I just say it is 270 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:15.600 a bit of a safe the cap moment where she 271 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:20.639 sees somebody in danger or indeed, and she blows a 272 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:23.879 cover to protect them. But yeah, I was instantly on board. 273 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:25.360 I was like, I like this. I like the vibe, 274 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:26.720 I like the look of it, I like the tone, 275 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:29.759 and I like the character that she's putting on. 276 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:33.080 This done and she doesn't do a ton of character work, 277 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:36.320 but she does it at times. She'll get back in 278 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:39.080 that outfit later on in the film, which was surprising 279 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.480 me because I thought it was a one and done 280 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:44.799 type of thing, But she actually dons those glasses, that wig, 281 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:47.480 all that stuff later on, and I like that at 282 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:51.919 her desk in the police headquarters, that she's got all 283 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.279 of these cyrofom heads there with wigs on it. So 284 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:58.000 you're like, oh, she's the undercover person. She likes to 285 00:14:58.159 --> 00:14:59.879 do this kind of stuff, and it's just fitting for 286 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:02.799 her and for the whoopee persona that we've seen built 287 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:04.039 over these last few films. 288 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:08.039 In the shootout opening here and Kevin used it as 289 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:11.159 his opening line on the show is she really has 290 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.840 a problem with the B word, But here I wrote, 291 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.240 she doesn't have a problem with the N word. No, 292 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.240 that really kind of threw me. I was like, Wow, okay, 293 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.759 which then, and this is before obviously we'll get a 294 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:27.559 bit into the backstory. But I was thinking about this 295 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:30.360 and when I realized that she has this Italian last name, 296 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:34.320 I thought, okay, this is Gean Carlos Fasito. Maybe kind 297 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:37.799 of scenario. Or then I sorted to think to myself, 298 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:42.120 I'm like, maybe Dennis Hopper was right in True Romance. 299 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:47.279 So I, okay, I'll see what you're doing here. 300 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:50.759 No, wow, wow, anyway, that's a deep cut for the kid. 301 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:53.000 Problematic, but I'm not. 302 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.399 Going to I'm not going to say the word. But anyway, wow. 303 00:15:56.559 --> 00:15:56.799 Wow. 304 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:58.840 I wasn't quoting the film though, I was just that 305 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:00.600 was just something I wanted to say up front. 306 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:04.000 Yeah, we've had incidents in the past. 307 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:06.360 Yeah, yeah, I know you too. 308 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:09.679 I did love her little what would you call it? 309 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:12.360 What's that move? That that Texas switch type move that 310 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:15.840 she does where they're in the alley and he's looking 311 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:19.399 for she's basically just disappeared behind him to some sort 312 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:22.080 of magic of the movies and has a nice move asshole. 313 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:25.039 I was like, Oh, I'm into this film. It's good crack. 314 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:28.320 It's working for me. It's the smoothest of the three 315 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:28.799 so far. 316 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:31.279 Yeah, and the script is the one that makes the 317 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:33.679 most sense to me, even though it had gone through 318 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:35.639 a bunch of writers. And you can see in that 319 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:39.000 Millius draft, and I don't know the draft before that, 320 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:43.720 but you can see echoes of what this film becomes 321 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:46.559 in that Millius draft where oh, this is the scene 322 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:49.639 where the drug deal happens. This is a scene where 323 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:53.000 this happens, and but you get it in a much 324 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:55.720 different way. Like with Millius, he sets it up so 325 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:58.159 that she's more of a hot shot and she ends 326 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:02.360 up buying the bad drugs. I believe now please correct 327 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:03.639 me if I'm wrong, but I want to say she 328 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.559 ends up getting the bad drugs and then is going 329 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:12.319 to take them to headquarters, and this land mover or 330 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:15.839 dump truck or one of these type of industrial machines 331 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:19.680 crashes into her car and they steal the drugs. They 332 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:23.680 end up kidnapping her, tying her up arms of kimbo. 333 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:26.200 The first time I read it, I thought they actually 334 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.720 raped her, but it's just the Brad Dwarf character, yeah, 335 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:31.519 who comes over with like I was going to rape 336 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:34.039 you or whatever, and I was like, oh shit, this 337 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:36.759 is like a rape prevenge film, but it's not quite that. 338 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:40.480 But it is her fucking up and allowing these drugs 339 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:42.480 to go on the street. That does not happen in 340 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:45.920 the final movie, which I'm glad for because she's already 341 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:48.880 got a lot of emotional baggage in this and I 342 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.319 appreciate it that she is such a well rounded character 343 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:55.599 in this film. Even though this is a cartoon shoot 344 00:17:55.640 --> 00:18:00.640 them up ultraviolet movie from the late seven sorry late eighties, 345 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.599 when this was de rigueur. I'm sure this kind of 346 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.559 got lost in the shovel of all of the action 347 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:08.200 films that were happening at this time. 348 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.880 I love how that reveal of her background is later. 349 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:14.799 I'm glad that they didn't put it in the first act, 350 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:17.480 and that was the driver of everything. I like that 351 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:19.680 it sits in the background and you're like, Okay, why 352 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:22.480 is this? Why does this person have no life? Because 353 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.079 at one point it's there's the cliche scene with the 354 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:29.079 captain where it's like the Starsky and Hutch scene where 355 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:31.599 they get pulled in in the procedural and it's like, God, 356 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:33.119 damn it, what. 357 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:34.359 Are you doing to me? 358 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:38.880 Huh no money, no dope, no, don cadillo. 359 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:40.960 I have a perfectly reasonable explanation. 360 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:44.359 I don't need explanations, I need results. Do you know 361 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:46.039 what Captain McKay is going to do to me? 362 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:49.599 And all over some two bid hooker? 363 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:52.400 Not a two bit hooker, Not a two bit hooker. 364 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:53.720 Charlie far As a friend of mine. 365 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:55.279 She has to be the best ear I have on 366 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:56.799 the streets, and she gave me them a to have 367 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:57.839 a bus last month. 368 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:01.160 I don't care that says, I mean, you have no life, 369 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:04.200 You have nothing besides this job. All you do is 370 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:06.440 your job. So the question is why are you driven 371 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:09.400 to do the jobs? So that plants the question in 372 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:11.440 our head as the audience, going, Okay, why is this 373 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:13.880 person so maniacal on their job. Is it just I 374 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:16.240 don't know, bride and self satisfaction or is there something 375 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:17.039 else going on here? 376 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:20.319 Well, it just through luck that she ends up being 377 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:24.880 assigned to the murder of Digadillo or gets called to 378 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:28.720 that scene, and that ends up kicking off the whole mystery. 379 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:32.359 But she had that connection to him before goes back 380 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:35.720 figures out that he's dead, and then once we get 381 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:37.960 tied into drugs, then it becomes a real Now it's 382 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.279 personal thing for her, especially when she sees the van 383 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.440 and it has Kroll's name on it and she's, Okay, 384 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:46.880 this respectable businessman is completely dirty and I'm going to 385 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:50.000 basically take him down. It becomes a real vengeance type 386 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:52.880 of story for her, And I like to your point 387 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:57.079 that we don't know why she's that driven until towards 388 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:01.720 the end, and then that scene. That scene just can 389 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:06.119 got you. She is such a great actress and just 390 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:09.079 shows it in that one particular scene. Especially. 391 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:12.039 Yeah, it's one of those pieces that kind of sneaks 392 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:14.400 up on you on an eighties movie that you're not expecting. 393 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:16.960 And I talked about this before on the First Blood 394 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:19.960 episode where I'm like, I didn't expect to start crying 395 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:23.119 when Stallone starts giving that monologue at the end of 396 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:26.559 First Rambo film. It's the same thing with this, where 397 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:31.519 you're like, Wow, that's deep. I wasn't expecting that for 398 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:33.519 kind of an actioner, and. 399 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:35.839 It's not in the script. That was one of the 400 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:39.599 big key changes between the draft that I read, the 401 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:44.000 shooting script draft, and the film itself. Should we tell 402 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:46.599 people what it is? It basically is that she's lost 403 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:51.440 a child through her own neglect of allowing. She's taken 404 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:56.440 the job Homebrew and her young toddler, I believe, got 405 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:59.680 into the drugs, took them odd and died. So she's 406 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:05.559 basically lost her child. And in the script there's a 407 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:08.079 couple of things, a couple of changes. There's three major 408 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.039 changes that they make that I think one of them 409 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:13.079 is good, which is that change that they make with 410 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:17.079 their personalize her reason for wanting to take down this 411 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:20.599 whole empire. But the other two I think are solely 412 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:24.079 missed and I'll talk about them later. But in the script, 413 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:26.480 she talks about her sister and it's something that happened 414 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:28.240 to her sister that made her want to be a cop, 415 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:32.519 which is confiding all this into Marshak, the Sam Elliott character. 416 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:35.680 But in the film, it seems they must have written 417 00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:38.240 that on the day, or they must have rehearsed or something, 418 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:41.559 because that's not there at all in the draft. There's 419 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.559 nothing about her having lost a kid. And the thing 420 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:48.519 that I noticed is that she feels a little skitzo 421 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:51.279 in the film because of that, because she's so glib, 422 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:54.359 she's so enjoying her job, bantering with all the guys. 423 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:56.920 She seems to be a carefree character. And then that 424 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:01.119 reveal where she's no, she's somebody who's having a deep 425 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:06.359 wound that she's masquerading, and that this is very personal 426 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:09.240 for it's a big change. And I noticed as well 427 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:11.200 that in the Cisco A Needbit review that I saw 428 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:15.920 that's the scene that Ciskel highlights as the saving grace 429 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:18.279 of the whole film. That it really reminds people that, 430 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:20.319 regardless of what you think of these films, what po 431 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:21.680 go Bog is a great actress. 432 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:24.279 You said, she takes the job home with her, that 433 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:26.640 is she a cop at that point, because it sounds 434 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:29.079 like she got mixed up in drugs when she was younger, 435 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:31.920 and she had the kid when she was fourteen. 436 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:36.319 You're right, Actually, yeah, My memory of it is that 437 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:40.440 she had a rough youth, she was an addict, she 438 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:45.200 had this kid, the kid dies, and that kind of 439 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:48.839 appears to have set her straight and to go, Okay, 440 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:50.799 I got to get my shit together, because you know 441 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.839 this is serious, this isn't It's not just me anymore. 442 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:56.279 I can see where you're coming from, Kevin, because it 443 00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:59.480 goes from her being a drug addict to her becoming 444 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:03.759 a police detective. And you're curious about how that transition happened. 445 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:06.640 So it would have made just as much sense had 446 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:09.839 she brought the evidence home or something. 447 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:12.240 What I tend to do is I tend to read 448 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:14.519 the shooting script while I'm watching the film for the 449 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:17.279 second time, so I'm like going straight through it. And 450 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:20.519 it started to deviate quite drastically at that period where 451 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:23.319 the marsh that character. He had a whole other scene 452 00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:24.960 where he was going back to Kroll and he was 453 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:28.039 laying the plan and he knew quite clearly that he 454 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:30.359 was setting her up and he was trapping her, and 455 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:34.240 it was playing against these scenes where he was falling 456 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:36.000 for her, and I do love the relationship that they have. 457 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:39.119 It's nice to see her falling for somebody. And they've 458 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:41.359 got some great pattern as well that isn't in the script. 459 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:45.160 These these funny little back and forth where he's inelegantly 460 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:47.279 flirting with her and she's trying to bat them away. 461 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:49.119 I loved all that stuff, which again feels like it 462 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:51.720 was ad libbed on the day, But those changes, I 463 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:53.640 was like, what's going on here? This is a huge 464 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:55.519 change to the character that they seem to have made 465 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:56.799 while in production. 466 00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:59.759 And as far as I remember, there is no Mike 467 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:02.599 Mark Shack in that Millius draft. It feels like he's 468 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:04.400 very much a later invention. 469 00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:07.720 I couldn't track any of the characters from the Millius 470 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:09.759 drafted this because it seems like they only kept to 471 00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:12.759 read a name. So some of the set pieces with 472 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:15.000 similar reports. Who are all these guys? 473 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:19.079 Granted I only watched this once, but I had moments 474 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:22.680 at times, and I think it becomes more It evens 475 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:26.400 out as the film goes, But in the beginning, I'm 476 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:29.759 trying to figure out beyond kind of the meet cute 477 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:33.079 and they start to develop. There's part of me That's 478 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:37.400 what I'm not understanding. If this is your job and 479 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:39.559 you're trying to be a serious person doing your job, 480 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:44.480 this guy is dirty. I don't understand why you're getting involved. 481 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:49.119 There's almost a feeling that maybe in my first viewing, 482 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:53.240 i'd say early on, there's this little thing where it's 483 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:54.960 and it could just be a little scene, it could 484 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:57.599 be a line. I don't know that could have sured 485 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:00.400 that up just a little bit. For me, it just 486 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:03.200 felt like, I don't understand why you would allow yourself 487 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.559 to drop the professionalism here with this person that obviously 488 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:10.759 you're I don't know. I don't know what your take 489 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:13.680 on that was. Later it's fine, Like when you get 490 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:15.759 towards the third act and all that, I'm like, I 491 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.440 can buy it there, But in the early go I'm like, 492 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:19.519 I'm not getting it. 493 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:23.359 I like that she basically humiliates him the first time 494 00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:26.359 that they meet, Like the way that he comes out 495 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:29.079 from behind the gate. She's going to go see Kroll 496 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:32.319 played by Harris Eulin in here and she's up at 497 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:35.279 the gate. It's very actual trying to see Victor Maitland 498 00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:38.440 type of thing. To your point, Rob and he walks 499 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:40.960 out and he starts flirting with her big time, especially 500 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:43.039 when he finds out that her last name is Rosoli. 501 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.240 That's Italian, isn't it. M I always had a weakness 502 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:53.200 for Italian ladies school. There was this one that rose 503 00:25:53.920 --> 00:26:00.640 I'm off Fatano got those eyes. She had one problem 504 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.200 shut out those big beautiful brown as or as a 505 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:07.920 get or anything she wanted. Maybe all pretty Italian ladies 506 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:08.640 feel that way. 507 00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:14.119 Figure, is here a point to this start point? 508 00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:15.480 Is this is private property. 509 00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:17.880 If you want to come call in and show me 510 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.000 a piece of paper that says warn on it otherwise, 511 00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:21.920 or even dare chain. 512 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:28.359 And for all this we had to go through Rosa Malfatana's. 513 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:27.839 Trying to be friendly. 514 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:28.240 Officer. 515 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:34.400 Oh, he's just flirting big time, and I'm like melting 516 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:38.359 there looking at nineteen eighty seven Sam Elliot just oh gosh, 517 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:43.079 whatever man and that more black scent and everything, and 518 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:46.759 she ends up Okay, we'll see you later, and it 519 00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:48.960 takes herself out of there. But then she ends up 520 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:53.400 breaking into Kroll's place anyway, and he gets pissed off 521 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.359 at Marshack and it's just like, yeah, the thing of 522 00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.759 follow her and make sure nothing happens to her is 523 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:03.599 weird flecks to have there, but it just you have 524 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:06.039 to go with it for the movie to work. I think. 525 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.720 I think that's what he tells her. What he's really 526 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:11.880 doing is he's making sure that she's not getting too close. True, 527 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:14.720 so he's informing them. But the dialogue that they have 528 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.000 that I wanted to mention because I was like jotting 529 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:18.839 down all these lines and I'm like, I'm loving this. 530 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:20.240 This is the stuff that I would be aiming to 531 00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:24.000 work myself. He apologizes to her a moment later on 532 00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:25.720 in the film in the car and he's I'm sorry 533 00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:27.640 for being such an asshole, and she's like, it's all right, 534 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:29.640 I'll get used to it. I just love that kind 535 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:33.319 of like back and forth for it's just an acknowledging. Yeah, 536 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:35.319 I still think you're an asshole, but I'm sure I'll 537 00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:35.920 get used to it. 538 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:38.200 In the back and forth and the banter are there. 539 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.640 This is where I was like, you're not gonna mention 540 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.160 the mismatch, Like you were saying, I have a thing 541 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:45.119 for Italian ladies. 542 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:46.839 Wasn't meant to be share. 543 00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:50.400 It was meant to be share. Yeah, she was as 544 00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:53.240 reader Resoli. And so it's funny because Kevin. We've gone 545 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:59.200 through gender swaps, racial swaps, ages, all of these different things. 546 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.240 This is the first time we're talking about a movie 547 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:07.240 that was written for a female character but written for 548 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.240 an Italian female character. So we're so close. We are 549 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.000 so close to actually having a movie written for Whoopy Goldberg, 550 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.759 but we're still far away from that. And apparently at 551 00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:19.880 one point it was supposed to be Sharer and then 552 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:22.680 they changed it to Whoopy Goldberg, and then the Marshak 553 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:25.400 character was supposed to be Billy d Williams, and so 554 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.119 it was like, okay, good, no misagenation. We can't have 555 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:32.680 that because people think, oh, of course, interracial kisses have 556 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:36.920 been fine since Kirk and Aura all that time back. Yeah, 557 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:40.240 Beverly Hills cop perfect example. We're taking this romance. Write 558 00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:42.680 the fuck out of here. It's amazing that there is 559 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.400 romance in this at all, that there is a kiss 560 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.279 at the end, and there was supposed to be apparently 561 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:51.680 a sex scene at one point. It's note, we can't 562 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:53.400 have that. They were going to give this movie an 563 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:55.799 X rating if there's going to be a sex scene 564 00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:59.279 between Sam Elliott and Whoopee Goldberg. How do you like that? 565 00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:00.119 Nineteen eighty. 566 00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:04.000 I read some coverage on this before I watched it, 567 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:07.440 and I can pick up on where that scene was. 568 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:08.319 Now. 569 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.839 It's my understanding that they actually shot it and then. 570 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.519 After the big hot to hot moment where she tells him, 571 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.000 she basically reveals who what's driving her. 572 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:21.440 It came there, and it's my understanding that it was 573 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:25.400 in the preview version and the audience didn't like. 574 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.400 It, so they cut it didn't test well. 575 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.559 I'm actually amazed by this, and I don't want to 576 00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:35.160 get too deep into this, but culturally, I think that 577 00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:40.759 maybe white Americans could accept Sam Elliott and a black woman, 578 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.960 but if it was a black man and a white woman, 579 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:48.359 I think that really would have been problem. I think 580 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:49.680 it's still a problem. 581 00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:53.160 Didn't they have the issue with Hitch where Rosario Dawson 582 00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:57.240 was cast opposite Will Smith. They could go with a 583 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.839 Latin X person on a black guy, but it couldn't 584 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.559 be a white woman opposite Will Smith in not film anyway, 585 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:06.559 So it was still going on like into the early 586 00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:07.279 two thousands. 587 00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.119 That's wowd It makes me a little sad to see that. 588 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.119 It's not that I needed it per se, but now 589 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:15.839 that I know that it was cut for that reason. 590 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.039 It's just damn really. 591 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:24.160 The relationship between Rita and Mike that really drives the 592 00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:28.240 second half of the film. When she confronts him and says, 593 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:31.319 you work for this guy who sells all of these drugs. 594 00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:36.160 She knows that Kroll is bad. How can you justify that? 595 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.920 And ask him flat out, how can you live with yourself? 596 00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:43.400 And sometimes I let it slide? And that becomes the 597 00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:46.000 big thing, and she just picks up on that let 598 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:49.920 it slide thing and just hammers him with it. And 599 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:53.279 when you see that scene of her talking about her backstory, 600 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.720 it's basically like, how can you let this slide? Marshack? 601 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.039 Look at what drugs have done to this woman who 602 00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.240 you are falling in love with, who we are about 603 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.279 to have sex with in one version of it, how 604 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:09.240 can you let this happen? And I love that. It's 605 00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:12.680 just she hits him a few times and she's really 606 00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:16.119 angry and mean about it, and I'm glad because he 607 00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:19.480 deserves that. He's the dynamic character in the second half 608 00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.960 of the film, changing his ways from working for a 609 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:27.200 drug dealer to helping out Risoli and taking a bullet 610 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:28.839 for literally taking a bullet for her. 611 00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.039 The other thing where the film is strengthened by rewatching 612 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.079 it and knowing what's motivating her truth is the scene 613 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:40.400 that she has with Zach's murdor, where she's confronting another 614 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:43.160 murderer who doesn't care what happens to her son, who's 615 00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:45.119 washed her hands with him, And when you realize that 616 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:49.160 she's someone who doesn't have that anymore, she's not a 617 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.359 motor anymore, it makes more sense why they would get 618 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.920 into an actual fistfight altercation where in the film it's 619 00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.119 played kind of fun and it's it's almost like a 620 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.599 class thing. But when you realize that she's coming from 621 00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.359 a place of I cannot understand you. Why would you 622 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.720 be that way? You want son, you're more concerned about 623 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:10.279 playing tennis? The rage is justifoied Oh. 624 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:14.519 And Jennifer Warren as this mother character, as what's her name, 625 00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:19.440 Cecily Jaeger, She's in here for two scenes and it's 626 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.240 just amazing. She is so good. Well, of course I 627 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.440 mostly know her from Night Moves and Slapshot, and there's 628 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:29.920 a lot of slap Shot crossover between Fatal Beauty and Slapshot, 629 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.640 but yes, she is amazing, just in those two scenes 630 00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:37.839 and to go from that hoity toity if what you 631 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:39.880 can do with him? And I have to get back 632 00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:42.799 to tennis, and I have to how dare you come 633 00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:47.000 into my house? And especially when Rizzoli touches her, and 634 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:49.519 you just get the feeling that there is a massive 635 00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.319 racist thing going on. Not only is it how dare 636 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:55.079 this cop touch me? How do this other woman touch me? 637 00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.279 But how dare this black person touch me? Is how 638 00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.799 that moment feels to me, and that she has to 639 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.400 overcome all of that in order to see what's right. 640 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.880 And it takes her own son, the James Lgrow character 641 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:13.920 off screen committing suicide or attempting suicide. Sorry that it 642 00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:17.359 takes that to wake her the fuck up and finally 643 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.880 allow that the last little bit of connection from the 644 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.920 drugs to this what's his name? Denny Mifflin. I kept 645 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:28.359 thinking of dunder Mifflin to Denny and then to Kroll. 646 00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:32.920 She's that lynchpin for it. But it takes so much 647 00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:34.839 to get that information out of her. 648 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:37.400 She thinks she's to help the first time that she 649 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:39.240 sees her, oh. 650 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:43.160 Man, yeah, my skin crawled at that moment. And yeah, 651 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:47.079 there's a lot of racial stuff that goes on in 652 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.279 this movie. And yeah, though to your point, Rob, it's 653 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:53.000 pretty funny that the N word doesn't get her nearly 654 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:56.240 as upset as bitch. But then towards the end of 655 00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:59.440 the movie, brad Dorf's just calling her bitch all over 656 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.240 the place. What's your last line going to be? The 657 00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.680 last line needs to be don't call me bitch. But no, 658 00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.199 you said Smith and Wesson asshole, And I'm like, that's 659 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:11.639 the wrong line to me. 660 00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:14.400 It was just the logic of it, where it's if 661 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.840 you're going to change the character, if you're obviously going 662 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.119 to make them, it's going to be a black woman's whoopy. 663 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.199 Those things now need to be in there, either a 664 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:26.960 subtext or text so that way, like if someone does 665 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:28.639 say the N words, he has to react to that, 666 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:32.400 if you have to react to the fact that someone's 667 00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.039 calling you out. I actually think it would be a 668 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.960 good thing for it to be more prominent because you 669 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.079 have these double like you were talking about, there's double 670 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.840 or triple layers there in which this character has to 671 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.639 move within the world and how they do their job 672 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.840 and how they live their life. And I think that's 673 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:53.199 more accurate of how someone would be a navigating world. 674 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:58.599 She did it in burglar I remember where the police 675 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.559 detective guy calls were picking and then she goes into 676 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:06.679 a sarcastic portrayal of a slave. The brad Dorf character, 677 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.280 he pretty much takes over in terms of the villains 678 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.320 in the story and he becomes the main bad guy 679 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:13.840 that she's got to take down, which surprised me when 680 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:15.599 I was watching the film, because I thought it's not 681 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.480 usual that you have the henchman be the big bad boss. 682 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:21.280 But that was another change from the script. And I 683 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.679 don't know if you guys noticed that as well, but 684 00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:27.119 I found that quite notable. Where it feels like that 685 00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:29.440 was probably change because of test screenings as well, where 686 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.159 it felt like it's much more impactful to end on that, 687 00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:34.480 even though it's a weaker line, but that sort of 688 00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.639 kiss off line of Smith and Weston asshole than what 689 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:39.880 was in the script. But I loved that scene in 690 00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:40.400 the script. 691 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:45.679 Yeah, anytime brad Dorffe shows up, I'm there. I love 692 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:48.599 him in here, I think as a bad guy. Sure 693 00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:52.440 it's a little over the top, but it's fun a little. 694 00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:56.920 It got him chucky. 695 00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:02.599 I was thinking that right before this was what Blue Velvet. Probably, Yeah, I. 696 00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:04.199 Think you're right eighty six that would have been. 697 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:05.199 Yeah. 698 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:08.679 Him and that crazy hair that he's got. I just 699 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:12.559 I love it. And he's got the he's got two 700 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.119 henchmen at the beginning, and there's a whole thing in 701 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:17.920 the script I want to say where it's oh, we 702 00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:20.360 know this guy isn't going to make it. Basically, they 703 00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:22.920 end up killing the third guy, so it's just him 704 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.920 and this other dude and the other dude who can 705 00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.320 chew on glass and. 706 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.039 A bond villain, oh. 707 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:35.760 Yeah, in order to impress that real preppy asshole, plus 708 00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:41.639 a very young Mark Pellegrino with that wild blonde hair 709 00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:45.000 and they call him Frankenstein and he just, oh my god, 710 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.920 he looks like a freaking teenager in this movie. I've 711 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.280 always followed Pellegrino and just always love when he shows 712 00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:53.360 up and stuff. Speaking of David Lynch, that was he 713 00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:55.840 was in mahalland Drive the last time I really remember 714 00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:59.320 seeing him. But he's great as Thug number two in 715 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:04.320 The Big You know, he plays dumb really well. So 716 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.679 it's really nice that he's in here as this henchman 717 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.920 character and that they get the other guy taller than him. 718 00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.440 Pellegrina already looks tall, and then the other dude, the 719 00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.800 glass chewer guy, is even taller than him, and I'd 720 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:21.559 like that. It's Dorf just basically, oh, he's the muscle. 721 00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.159 I'm the one in control. It's almost like a master 722 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:27.199 blaster situation. I'm surprised he doesn't right on top of 723 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.599 this guy's shoulders and just like, oh yeah, kill that guy, 724 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:33.440 open that door, twist this person's neck off, like those 725 00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:37.239 kind of things, because Dorf is just fricking wild. And yeah, 726 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.000 to your point, mark the change in the script of 727 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.840 because Dorof does not kill the Harris Ulen character. He 728 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.599 ends up. Ulen or Kroll just shows up out of 729 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.199 nowhere in this movie. It's just like, oh yeah, I 730 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.480 happen to be here too. It's oh okay. And then 731 00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:57.920 Brad Dorpe kills him. Because there's a whole extra scene 732 00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.000 at the end of the script where. 733 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:01.079 You which is a great scene. 734 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.280 Yeah, oh yeah, it's a great scene. 735 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:04.840 At the very end of the film where the freeze frame. 736 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.320 It's quite an awkward ending the freeze frame on her 737 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.679 saying you're going to be all right. The movie continued 738 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.840 where she walked back into the crowd and the cal character, 739 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.760 the guy who was always fiddled with his tie. He's like, 740 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:19.920 where are you going? She goes up to Kroll's office 741 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:25.760 and she basically gets him through a back and forth. 742 00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.440 She gets him to take the drugs, the laced drugs, 743 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:33.079 and he dies through his own supply. But there was 744 00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:34.760 another thing that I want to mention as well, which 745 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.280 was shocking to me. That the drugs are laced with fentanyl. 746 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:40.880 And I didn't know that fentanyl was such a big 747 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:45.079 thing until the last four or five years. And it's 748 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.719 going back to the eighties where it's whoa. This is 749 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.880 as timely as ever thanks to that one edition. But 750 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.960 that's the big dangerous element that adding to the drugs 751 00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:58.119 is cut fifty to fifty with fentanyl and some PCP. 752 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:04.079 Which feels really bizarre because fifty percent fentanyl. True confession time, 753 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:08.159 I have yet to do fentanyl. I probably have. It's great, 754 00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:09.599 Oh is it okay? 755 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:12.119 I had a decoration and they give it to you, 756 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:18.199 and it's all I've never felt more warm, cozy, like chill. 757 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:21.239 And they only gave it to me twice. They wouldn't 758 00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:23.760 give me any more than that. It's a painkiller, like 759 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:26.920 would they administered in the hospital, and I loved it 760 00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:28.960 and it was like, no, no, that's enough. Now I 761 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.079 totally get white people would be trying to sneak some 762 00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:35.079 of that stuff. It's lovely, but don't do drugs. 763 00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:37.760 No, don't do drug But they always show like this 764 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.079 much can kill a person, and it's like a grain. 765 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.719 Oh two grains and you're dead. So I'm like, they're 766 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.079 cutting this with fifty percent. And now they don't say 767 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:49.679 fentanyl in the Wikipedia. They just say it's fifty percent 768 00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:53.920 purity and cut with fin cyclodine, which is basically PCP. 769 00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:56.440 So I'm like, okay, well that makes sense when a 770 00:39:56.440 --> 00:40:00.280 PCP plus cocaine. I'm like, all right, that that's a 771 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:02.920 great designer drug. And you see the one the black 772 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.280 guy walking out of the apartment building and they're just bubba, Yeah, 773 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.119 they're just shooting all of shooting them so much. And 774 00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:13.159 then even actually I take it back because I thought 775 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:16.280 Dwarff had taken it and that's why he was indestructible 776 00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:18.960 at the end, but then he's kevlar bitch. 777 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:21.679 That scene that you brought up about the guy that 778 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:25.079 they just unload on and all of that. I remember 779 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.199 those stories from when we were young when we were kids, 780 00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:30.960 that there was this fear that there were these street 781 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.440 drugs and originally it was crack or it was PCP 782 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:40.440 or whatever that would turn these people into like superhuman strength, 783 00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:44.079 and therefore you had to be really rough with them. 784 00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:47.159 And one thing I also noticed about the cops in 785 00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:51.039 here is that the cops actually look like cops. We 786 00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:54.679 haven't gotten into the swat team era of cops in America. 787 00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.440 Like I was looking at footage of the white riots 788 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:02.079 in San Francisco. Harvey Milk was killed just for fun, 789 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.000 just happened to be part of a documentary. I think 790 00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:06.320 I was watching Lifetime to Harvey Milk, and I was like, 791 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.960 look at those cops. They look like regular cops, just 792 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:14.000 blue shirts. Sure like they're gonna wear like a motorcycle 793 00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:16.719 helmet to deal with the rioting. But they don't look 794 00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:20.320 like they just got off the plane from Iraq or Afghanistan. 795 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:25.840 And I was just like, wow, I'm like, now cops 796 00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:28.840 in America look like super soldiers. They don't look like 797 00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:30.000 normal people. 798 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:32.239 I don't know if it's true, but don't they say 799 00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:34.599 that New York has the sixth largest standing army in 800 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:35.000 the world. 801 00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:36.800 It's probably true. 802 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:38.639 Mike, you were gonna say something where you had a 803 00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:40.559 personal experience with Fenton and like cut you off. 804 00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:42.880 Oh no, I haven't. I just was talking about the 805 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.719 grains and just how oh we always talking about how 806 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:48.679 like this much and they'll show like a close up 807 00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.719 electron microscope almost of them. This much can kill you. 808 00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:53.960 And I remember there was a fear story kind of 809 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.639 like wild in the Streets where they were worried of Oh, 810 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.079 terrorists are gonna dump and it's only gonna take a pound. 811 00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:03.719 Only takes a pound of fentanyl and they can put 812 00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:05.840 it in the local water supply and it'll fucking kill 813 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.679 thousands of people. So yeah, actually you know what you 814 00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:09.199 were saying. 815 00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:10.559 Yeah, but it. 816 00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:13.360 Makes this film very timely, just that it's. 817 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:17.559 This bad batch that's going around anything that's stamped incorrectly 818 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:22.400 thanks to that one Asian kid who O deed like 819 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:26.320 on the own supply. And it's just what a great 820 00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:29.519 scene to have him laughing through the whole thing while 821 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.719 this We talked about the violence before, but like Dwarf 822 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:35.400 and his boys coming in with machine guns and just 823 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:39.400 shooting every fucking thing. They talk about how they unloaded 824 00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:43.039 a clip and a Digadio's face and stuff. And I 825 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.840 think that's even in the script, is them shooting this 826 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:50.679 guy in the fucking face, but just massive violence. Meanwhile, 827 00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:54.079 this kid is laughing his head off through the entire scene. 828 00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:57.400 I thought that was a great touch that it almost felt 829 00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:00.440 almost like a Tony Scott kind of thing. Had there 830 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.360 been feathers flying or something, I guess that would have 831 00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:03.760 been more of a Tony Scott thing. 832 00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:06.159 Yeah, you need those chefs of light. 833 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.760 But yeah, talking about the cops, John p. Ryan as 834 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:13.039 the lieutenant who's always great and always such a good yeller. 835 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:16.400 You get Charles Hallahan, who most people know for having 836 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.480 his chest split open and a fucking thing coming out 837 00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.639 of it from the thing. Mc gainey in here as 838 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:25.960 one of the cops. Ruben Blades in here and I'm 839 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:30.280 trying to remember who plays Shahida Steve aka Hoshi. So 840 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.920 you get this great mix of all these people and 841 00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:34.760 Ruben Blades and I had to look it up. I 842 00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:37.920 wanted to make sure he's fine. He says, Blades is 843 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:41.000 his last name, not necessarily blot As. He'll accept Blatas, 844 00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:44.880 but Blades. I love when he gives that little thing 845 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:48.239 where he tells someone to freeze and if they run 846 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:52.159 and he goes man they never stop. And then later 847 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.119 on in the movie he says freeze and these two 848 00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:58.239 kids stop and he gets that little quick smile on 849 00:43:58.320 --> 00:43:58.760 his face. 850 00:43:58.920 --> 00:43:59.480 Oh fuck it. 851 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.719 Actually, that's like such a great moment in this movie 852 00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:04.320 for me, those. 853 00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:07.880 Are the moments which punctuated and just keep it bubbling along. 854 00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.519 There's another moment which I noticed as well, wasn't in 855 00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:12.280 the script, and it's an ad lib where they turn 856 00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:14.679 up at the house at read his house, and the 857 00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.000 cat is on the roof and he goes to her, 858 00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:19.280 Your cat's on the roof, so what are you gonna do? 859 00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:20.920 Shoot him because she's got a gun in her hand. 860 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.159 Nice little additions to the dialogue, but it have been 861 00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:27.880 so functional and expository I enjoy it. But yeah, I 862 00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:29.239 like that a moment at the end he got his 863 00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:31.960 little arc as well. Someone took him seriously for once. 864 00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.679 Or the lady who's talking Chinese and I think it's 865 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:39.360 Hallahan says. What she's saying is I don't know, I'm Japanese. 866 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:42.719 Talking about the cops in the way cop process is 867 00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.239 done in the film. There's a lot of things like 868 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:48.199 I talked about the being hauled before the captain scene, 869 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:51.679 which we've seen in ten thousand police procedurals before. 870 00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:53.039 They're off the case mcgarnagal. 871 00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.440 But I wrote here and you can pick out who 872 00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:57.960 he is. But I wrote, like Richard Gear lookalike guy 873 00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:00.599 talking to her. This is where she's under cover. They 874 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:03.400 go to that like restaurant Jimmy Silver, and there's this 875 00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:06.800 whole thing where she hangs them up in the freezer 876 00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.440 and tortures him, to which I wrote here. Of course, 877 00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:13.639 if you torture people, they'll give you the information you want. 878 00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:16.880 That always works to see reservoir dugs. 879 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:18.119 This is America. 880 00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:23.440 This is where you can play with gender. There's this 881 00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:27.000 whole thing where she starts grabbing at his genitals and 882 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.960 all of that stuff. And then there's a later scene 883 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:33.639 with reminded me of the RoboCop rights. You have the 884 00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:36.880 right to remain silently like blast bottiker through the window 885 00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:39.440 and all that stuff, where she's beating up the one 886 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:41.519 guy and she's reading him his rights at the same time. 887 00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:45.920 So there's scenes like this where yeah, we're gonna do 888 00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:46.920 the dirty hairy thing. 889 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:50.159 We're gonna Sennamentoza is one of the most respected citizens 890 00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.480 in the statement, Bang and you ran his little off 891 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.159 a cliff, broke the necks of three of his bodyguards 892 00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:57.000 and drove a bus to his front door. 893 00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:58.920 A Cup and Nile have proof that he's head of 894 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.400 an international door. You don't want to hear it, McBain. 895 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:06.760 The shootout in the boy House with all those scribs 896 00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:10.639 and explosions and shit going off, that was an excellent 897 00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.159 action sequence. Or I felt proper Jeopardy and I thought 898 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.360 Sam Maniot was gonna get killed at that point. He's 899 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:20.920 here to get fridged. But yeah, the action is a 900 00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:24.840 lot more narrowly than I expected, like blood packs going 901 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:26.880 off all over the place and people getting blasted in 902 00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:30.480 all types of like weaponry getting unloaded. It doesn't pull 903 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.159 its punches. I can see why it almost got an 904 00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:33.679 X rating. 905 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:36.119 No, and I love when they're going down the hallway. 906 00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:38.519 They're almost back to back at one point and I'm 907 00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:41.079 just like, oh, this is very Butcher and sun Dance 908 00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:42.079 and to see. 909 00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:43.320 I would love to have had a sequel with the 910 00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:43.760 tour of them. 911 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.000 Oh yeah, gosh, yeah. The chemistry that they have is 912 00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:50.519 fantastic and it's just on paper. It doesn't seem like 913 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.639 it's going to make sense when you go, WHOOPI Goldberg 914 00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:56.960 and Sam Elliott are going to be lovers, partners kicking 915 00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.559 ass and taking names. And I'm just like, yeah, okay, 916 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:02.880 that doesn't sound like it's gonna work. But then you 917 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:05.320 see it on screen, You're like, oh, fuck, yeah, this 918 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.440 seems like the most natural thing in the world. And yeah, 919 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.719 them trading clips back and forth, very clever stuff. 920 00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.599 I was surprised that he felt that he was miscastle. 921 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.559 I'm not he really is a mistake to do the film. Yeah, 922 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.280 he felt that he wasn't right for the part, that 923 00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:21.960 he didn't do a good job and that was a 924 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.159 mistake in his career. And I was like, no, this 925 00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.519 is no. It looks like you're having fun and you 926 00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:28.760 have a great report together. So I don't know what 927 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:30.880 he was feeling in a moment to feel like that 928 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.480 was a mistake from but I thought he was good 929 00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:33.679 in there. 930 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.320 The next script that Hanken wrote or co wrote that 931 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.039 comes up is Roadhouse, which to me is one of 932 00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:43.920 Sam Elliott's best characters ever. And he does eat shit, 933 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.719 doesn't it. The sense gets killed in that film. 934 00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.239 All I remember from that film is I used to 935 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:51.800 fuck guys like you in prison. 936 00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.800 Talking about the room to rooms shootout and then she 937 00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:58.239 gets wounded because the ceiling falls in on her. Happens 938 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.800 twice and then ends up in the hospital. Now this 939 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:04.559 is part of me that and I understand it's we 940 00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:08.480 need it for the script. Stop with trying to handle 941 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:12.199 the film logic is that there's a newspaper story, and 942 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.559 that's how Durris's character finds out she's in the hospital 943 00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:18.360 and goes after unlike she was undercovered. There wouldn't be 944 00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:20.480 a story in paper wounded. 945 00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:23.000 Oh, he didn't think it has. 946 00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:26.880 From there, it's really where you start to build the 947 00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.559 tenderness with the Mic character, where it's like he visitors 948 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.000 in the hospital, he gets through the dress. She was 949 00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:35.760 looking at things like that, can't accept it. It's a bribe, 950 00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:40.119 so that she's still trying to keep this professional distance 951 00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.599 while at the same time getting pulled in. 952 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.280 They really played it open the script as well as 953 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.519 shooting draft with the dress where he gets sort of 954 00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:49.639 actually put it on and she doesn't want to wear 955 00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.239 it because he'll see her scars, and he convinces her, 956 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:54.440 and it felt a little bit more like a pretty 957 00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:56.880 woman type back and forth where I could imagine this 958 00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:02.400 playing where it's more romantic writer or like the weapon 959 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:05.119 would rende Russo and Gibs and showed each other our scars. 960 00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:07.920 You want to drink, drink your leg and drink to 961 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:08.360 your leg. 962 00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:10.440 Okay, so we drink her legs. 963 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.920 I thought it was a better change in the film 964 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:19.960 because the relationship is based on empathy rather than sensuality, 965 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.559 which is what the script was going for. That was 966 00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:24.039 one of the changes where I was like, I'm glad 967 00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.400 you made those changes because it would felt like too 968 00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:27.599 much of a tonal change. 969 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:28.239 Yeah. 970 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.559 I love the scene where she sees the dress the 971 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.280 first time and you would think, again, it's here's a 972 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:39.239 five thousand dollars dress. But I love that when she 973 00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:43.920 because this is all done, no dialogue, it's just her 974 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.599 mouthing words and signaling, and she's signaling to a shop 975 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.400 girl inside who's like fixing up the window display. And 976 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:54.119 I love when she's five thousand dollars, five thousand dollars 977 00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:56.440 for that dress and the woman gives her a little 978 00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:58.920 sympathetic I know, it's crazy, right, And I was so 979 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.000 afraid that the one was going to be like if 980 00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:03.320 you can't afford it, get the fuck out of here. 981 00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:03.840 Kind of thing. 982 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:06.000 But I love that she's just like, I know this 983 00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:08.920 is nuts, so but yeah, when he comes to her 984 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.239 with the dress, and I'm glad that they he didn't 985 00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.559 have the put on the dress for resolely type of thing, 986 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.320 because that would have felt very controlling, and that doesn't 987 00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:18.320 seem like the way that Marshak is And it doesn't 988 00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:23.119 feel like she would take orders or suggestions from fucking anybody. 989 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.639 She is so in control. I love how cool she 990 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:30.519 plays it when Zach the James LaGrow character acosts her 991 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:35.159 at the deli, and that scene is they're in the 992 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:39.679 Millia's version and it's so different. There's there isn't a deli. 993 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:42.760 But I love the whole thing of her interacting with 994 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:44.599 the guy behind the deli kuind of Max I think 995 00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.159 his name is, and just there back and forth and 996 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:49.519 you can tell she's been there a thousand times. And 997 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:54.039 how cool she plays it with pickpocketing the grow taking 998 00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:56.000 his knife, and I want to say, when she shows 999 00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:57.800 a little bag of drugs, I'm like, oh, I think 1000 00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.000 she just had that and just did a real quick 1001 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:03.119 press the digitation. I don't think that was inside of 1002 00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:05.320 La Girl's pocket at all, and she just was like, 1003 00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.599 oh look what I found. I'm like, yeah, she's in 1004 00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:11.719 complete control of the situation. She's laughing at this kid 1005 00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:14.079 who thinks he's such a badass, even though he's coming 1006 00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:17.480 at her with a knife, just bursts out laughing. I'm like, 1007 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:19.760 this is She's a cool cucumber. 1008 00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:24.800 She's also being maternal. She's seeing a teenager who is 1009 00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:27.079 probably reminds her a little bit of the people that 1010 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:29.960 she probably would have ruan around with. And she's not 1011 00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:31.840 gonna book him. She's not going to bring him, bring 1012 00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:33.960 him in, and she's not gonna handcuff him. She's gonna 1013 00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:37.159 humiliate him and just tell him fuck off, don't bother me. 1014 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:39.840 And I like that. I like that her humanity and 1015 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:42.400 the humanity between her and sam Eliot comes through in 1016 00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.639 those scenes. They don't play it for the little hanging fruit. 1017 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:47.400 They go for a little bit more of a Groun 1018 00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:52.159 did softer approach. That really balances out the more grubby 1019 00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.239 and gnarly aspects of the shoot outes and the violence. 1020 00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:58.400 It makes you feel for Lagroux too, and especially that 1021 00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:02.880 scene later on where he tells that story about how 1022 00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:06.480 he went out for swim. He had drugs with him, 1023 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.960 and he'said, oh, let's do these drugs. But at first 1024 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:10.480 I'm going to go off for a swim. He comes 1025 00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:13.639 back in all of his friends are dead, and you 1026 00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:16.400 get to see all of these dead teenagers there, and 1027 00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:19.119 I'm like, wow, I was tempted to laugh when I 1028 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.320 first they had that hard cut to the teenagers, just 1029 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.239 because it is a funny situation for me seeing all 1030 00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.719 of these dead teenagers all in like their party and everything. 1031 00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:33.519 But he sells it. When Lagro starts to tell that story, 1032 00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:35.719 he really sells it and makes me care for this 1033 00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:39.039 kid who could have just been a complete punk, Like 1034 00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:41.440 you don't want you don't give a shit about this 1035 00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:45.679 guy because he's just a little privileged white boy. But no, 1036 00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.119 I actually cared about him and I care for him 1037 00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:50.400 when they said that he tried to commit suicide, because 1038 00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.920 can you imagine the survivor's guilt that this kid's going 1039 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.800 to have for the rest of his fucking life. 1040 00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:59.119 I'm just on a how prescient the film is that 1041 00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:02.199 those see things that are still going on with people 1042 00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:06.920 taking dodgy cork and just dropping dead is part of 1043 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:11.639 a plotline for a mid eighties movie. It feels eerie 1044 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:14.000 in some respects, but maybe it was always going on 1045 00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.239 and maybe it's only just caught fire in the last 1046 00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:17.480 few years. 1047 00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:21.920 But yeah, sadly, it's much worse now than I think 1048 00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:23.480 it was then. If you were to go back and 1049 00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:27.880 look at the OD statistics for the late eighties, by comparison, 1050 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:29.559 I think, what is it in the last ten years, 1051 00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:33.199 It's been about roughly the amount of Americans dying in Vietnam, 1052 00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:36.679 about fifty thousand or more a year dying from od's 1053 00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:40.239 in the US. So it's and it has been that 1054 00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:41.679 way for the past ten years. 1055 00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:44.400 Still, I enjoyed my fentanel. 1056 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:47.159 You did it in the way it was supposed to 1057 00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:51.559 be done, under supervision and for a particular reason, not 1058 00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.519 because you got a hot dose on the street. Sadly. 1059 00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:58.280 Yeah, speaking of cops, I forgot that. Larry Hankin also 1060 00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.360 plays a cop in here, very muller ish to his 1061 00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:05.360 role from Running Scared, where he just shows up for 1062 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.320 a few minutes, comes in, talks about the bad batch 1063 00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:10.920 of Fatal Beauty, and then he goes on his way, 1064 00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:14.559 like how he showed up and worked on their undercover 1065 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:18.000 police car, made that crazy taxi for Billy Crystal and 1066 00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:21.039 Gregory Hines and then goes on his way with that. 1067 00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:25.320 We talked about how she plays characters and how she 1068 00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:28.280 doesn't play a ton of characters in here, but the 1069 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:31.800 other one I forgot. You mentioned the Richard Gear drug dealer. 1070 00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:33.880 And she's want to be actress. 1071 00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:38.519 Oh yeah, actress, what did you know? Of course, it's 1072 00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:42.159 almost that same wig where she was the entertainment from 1073 00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:43.719 Jump to Jack Flash. 1074 00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:45.719 Like I said, when I saw him, I'm just like, 1075 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:47.320 I don't know who this guy is, but he looks 1076 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:49.320 like a Richard Gear lookalike, which would have worked in 1077 00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:50.400 this period. 1078 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:53.480 She comes in love on screen as well, when she's 1079 00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:56.360 caught loose like that, where you can tell it's not scripted. 1080 00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:59.639 It's just convinced this guy that you are want to 1081 00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.880 be actors. And I always love her when she does that, 1082 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:04.800 So I can see why it keeps coming up in 1083 00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.519 the films where she keeps adopting these other personas, but 1084 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:12.360 I always enjoy it. She's such a charismatic character. The 1085 00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:14.559 thing that I noticed as well from reading a book 1086 00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:18.360 that I think maybe is worth mentioning, is that she 1087 00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:21.119 was dealing with substance abuse herself at this time, and 1088 00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.440 that's why she was so skinny. She was doing coke 1089 00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:25.679 and she knew that if she gave up the coke, 1090 00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:27.639 she was going to gain weight, and she thought at 1091 00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:30.599 some stage the trade off was, Okay, if I gained 1092 00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:33.519 twenty pounds, it's worth it, rather than my daughter finding 1093 00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:36.280 out that her mother was an addict find out that 1094 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:39.199 her daughter was an addict. But when you see how 1095 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:41.920 I think she is in this film, how spry she is, 1096 00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:46.400 and she's playing this character where she's talking about having 1097 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.000 lost her child to coke and it's not in the script, 1098 00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:51.519 I'm wondering how much that was weighing on her that 1099 00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:55.519 she felt the need to put it through this character's 1100 00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:59.400 point of view before she processed it herself. But she 1101 00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.400 talks about in the book where she's very forecoming. It's 1102 00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:04.920 a brilliant book, actually her book, bits and pieces, but 1103 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:07.719 she talks about how she was always the second choice 1104 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:10.119 in all these films, that it was never anyone wanted 1105 00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:12.000 her that she would come in, and she was constantly 1106 00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:14.079 trying to convince people that she was good enough, and 1107 00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:18.280 she just felt that she could never get the same 1108 00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:21.320 respect that others would get as a lead, like they 1109 00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:22.840 didn't have the right makeup people, they didn't have the 1110 00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.480 right hair people, and did come in and they spray 1111 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:27.159 her hair with water and she'd be like, oh my god, 1112 00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:29.960 you do not know what you're doing. And meanwhile she 1113 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:33.199 was like doing lines and lines of coke in order 1114 00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:36.519 to stay thin. It adds to the performance. 1115 00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:39.199 I think in this period. All I can think of 1116 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.639 is in the mid and late eighties is how she 1117 00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:46.760 was so connected to Robin Williams and understanding his own 1118 00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:49.559 substance use and if they were paling around. It doesn't 1119 00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:51.519 surprise me in the least that she was up to 1120 00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:55.440 her elbows and cocaine when that guy was no the same. 1121 00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:58.119 She said they all were. She said that bell Air 1122 00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:00.400 of Beverly Hills, you go into a party, people would 1123 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:02.159 hand to your choice of coeludes, and there was just 1124 00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:05.000 rails of coke on every table, and it felt so 1125 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.840 normalized that she didn't see it as dangerous because everybody 1126 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:09.519 was doing it and they were all successful and they 1127 00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:14.079 were all protected, and so she thought, oh, I'm going 1128 00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:16.239 to fit in. And then she made the choice to 1129 00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:20.079 cut with all those friends and move in different spaces 1130 00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:22.880 and make that departure from that life soole that she 1131 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:26.400 was living. But yeah, it's interesting. It's a very good book. 1132 00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:27.280 I enjoyed her. 1133 00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:31.159 We were talking about with the racial politics then, not 1134 00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:35.719 to say things are absolutely better some I don't know, 1135 00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:39.119 almost forty years later on from this film, it was 1136 00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:42.440 much harder in that era. There was not a lot 1137 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:47.559 of black leading actors in that period. The only like 1138 00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:51.599 constant blackface on TV in America at least was and 1139 00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:54.639 now we know how he turned out. Sadly is was 1140 00:57:54.639 --> 00:58:01.440 Bill Cosby because I I don't know what he got 1141 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:04.320 a bad case of pudding pups. I just remember being 1142 00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:06.519 I don't know, six seven years old and talking to 1143 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.199 a neighbor kid. And I grew up in a working class, 1144 00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:12.000 working poor neighborhood, but it was still like I didn't 1145 00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:16.719 realize that the time is rather segregated. And I remember 1146 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:19.760 talking to as kids do you're six, seven, eight years old, 1147 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:21.840 and it's what is it? Do you watch? It's oh, 1148 00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.840 we like the show and that, and I would talk about, oh, 1149 00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:28.199 we watched Cosby show. And I remember the kid just said, 1150 00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.800 as playing as day, like you were telling the time 1151 00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:33.880 or the weather. It's Oh, we don't watch that show 1152 00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:35.280 because there's blanks on it. 1153 00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:36.639 Oh wow. 1154 00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:40.400 And I remember going to my dad and talking about that. 1155 00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:43.000 He's like, yeah, we don't use that word in this house, 1156 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:47.239 like we don't act like that here. And I am 1157 00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:49.599 and my dad explaining to me, like I said, I 1158 00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:50.920 was only like six or seven years. 1159 00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:53.960 Old and learned behavior. 1160 00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:57.199 But the way I think about it is that kid 1161 00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:02.159 is probably more mainstream of what most people thought at 1162 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:05.559 the time where I was growing up, as opposed to 1163 00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:09.880 my parents. So for someone to try to have an 1164 00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:13.079 acting career, to try and be to get lead roles 1165 00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:17.039 in this period, who is black, it had to be 1166 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:21.239 such a struggle. Today, Yeah, you got Will Smith and 1167 00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:24.440 things like that, and things are much more normalized in 1168 00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:26.480 that way along racial lines. 1169 00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:30.280 Ish ish because you still get all of this stuff 1170 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:34.159 where it's, oh, how dare you recast Johnny Storm to 1171 00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:36.760 be a black guy? It's like how you Oh, it's 1172 00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.679 so woke you have to have this DEI thing and 1173 00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:43.199 bring all these black characters in it. Have you looked 1174 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.079 at America? Do you see the racial makeup of our country? 1175 00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:49.440 And also there is a thing about representation where it's 1176 00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:52.119 just like, yeah, to your point. If I was a 1177 00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:55.239 little black girl at this point, like in the early 1178 00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:58.320 to mid eighties, I got nothing, like I'm not gonna 1179 00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:03.280 i have no other than maybe one person or two 1180 01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:06.840 people on Sesame Street. I had nobody who I'm looking at. Like, 1181 01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:10.280 until The Cosby Show came along, it was really tough 1182 01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:13.400 to see black people on television other than the very 1183 01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:18.639 menior roles or the one of a group of people 1184 01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:23.320 like Ron Harrison, Barney Miller. Yeah, there wasn't that, and 1185 01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:25.440 that's a black man. I'm trying to think of the 1186 01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:28.280 last time i saw black woman on Barney Miller. It's 1187 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:29.000 very rare. 1188 01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:33.840 Or if they were the lead roles were poor people, 1189 01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:36.159 so you had like in the ghetto with like Good 1190 01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:39.679 Times or the Jeffersons. Yeah, but they also it was 1191 01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:43.360 like evolved out of that or Sanford's Son, So you 1192 01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:47.320 had this thing with it's like poor people, non professionals. 1193 01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:49.920 It wasn't until The Cosby Show came along that you 1194 01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:52.920 had black professionals where it was like, no, black people 1195 01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:56.039 can be doctors and lawyers, and because that's what the 1196 01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:59.320 two of them were, and they can be everything in 1197 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:04.480 that way. And so I always posited that for US 1198 01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:08.719 gen xers that it was the Cosby Show that changed 1199 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:13.280 the culture a bit, that allowed something like Obama to 1200 01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.800 be elected president because people could visualize and go, oh, 1201 01:01:16.119 --> 01:01:20.119 black guy could be president too. Even my grandfather, who 1202 01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:24.039 was in his eighties and was casually racist, said yeah, 1203 01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:25.920 I got to vote for the colored fella instead of 1204 01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:29.719 voting for John McCain. So it showed this evolution. I 1205 01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:34.679 don't think people understood how representation changed the way in 1206 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:39.280 which people engaged in media. That became a cultural crossover. 1207 01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:41.159 And like he we was saying, if you can't see it, 1208 01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:44.519 then you can't be it. And there was part of that. 1209 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.559 And even for me growing up working poor, where it 1210 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:49.360 was like, I want to be a writer. I want 1211 01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:51.599 to have a creative life. And wasn't that my parents 1212 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:53.320 and had books in the house. They did, but I 1213 01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:54.639 may as well have told him I wanted to be 1214 01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:56.920 a fucking astronaut. Because they didn't know anyone who was 1215 01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:58.880 a writer, and they didn't know anyone who was an astronaut, 1216 01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:01.119 so they had no vision for how you could live 1217 01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:03.440 a creative life. They were like, just don't work in 1218 01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:06.639 the factory. Just go do something else. It's interesting to 1219 01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:09.800 see the dynamics through that lens. I don't think that 1220 01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.360 if a younger person was watching this movie today that 1221 01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:15.480 they would even maybe pick up on those kind of things. 1222 01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:17.639 Yeah, I think you're right, And I don't think they 1223 01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:22.199 would realize just what a rarety a black female action 1224 01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:25.400 star was, and that all of those dark. 1225 01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:30.519 Skins female actress as well, because even today, the majority 1226 01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:34.119 of the black actresses who are leading ladies, they're lighter skinned. 1227 01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.639 It's notable. See. The thing that I find fascinating is 1228 01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:42.039 that the race issue is it's very specific to America. 1229 01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:46.920 While everywhere has got its racial issues, America still seems 1230 01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:48.440 to be grappling with it in a way that the 1231 01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:51.360 rest of us just don't understand why it's such an 1232 01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:53.719 issue for you guys. And maybe it just has to 1233 01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:55.239 do with your history and it has to do with 1234 01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:58.880 segregation and all that stuff. But we grew up just 1235 01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:02.599 loving black culture and loving the black exports we're watching 1236 01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:04.480 like Fresh Prince of bel Air and not batting an 1237 01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:08.519 eyelid about it, or kidd and Play or whatever music was. 1238 01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:12.280 It always just felt normalized. And that was in a 1239 01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:17.960 country which was predominantly white Catholic. It's an interesting difference. 1240 01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:20.280 For me growing up. I grew up around a lot 1241 01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:23.119 of kids who were like Pino and do the right thing. 1242 01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:27.159 And there's that scene where Spike's character pulls them aside 1243 01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:29.199 and says, you keep saying this word all the time. 1244 01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:31.800 You keep talking about how awful black people are. But 1245 01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:34.440 your favorite sports heroes and your favorite musicians and your 1246 01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:38.119 favorite you're so in our culture, but you don't respect us. 1247 01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:40.599 And I grew up around so many kids like that 1248 01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:44.480 who had no respect for black people and on the whole, 1249 01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:46.719 but they would just eat their culture with a spoon 1250 01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:51.880 daily anyway. So yes, welcome to three white guys talking 1251 01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:54.239 about racism a racial politics. 1252 01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:56.679 You're white. I had my camera off. 1253 01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:00.159 Sadly, I don't like to equate myself to that of 1254 01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.440 my cultural ethnic background, much like you, a bit of 1255 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:07.760 the Irish and the Celts who were not considered white 1256 01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:08.920 for a long time. 1257 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:15.320 PARTI O'Malley table morning tea. You know, it just doesn't 1258 01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.159 look like any party I've ever seen before. 1259 01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:21.719 Man, you never heard no black Irish Irish? 1260 01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:22.360 That's right? 1261 01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:24.039 Who do you think of it? In the mac Rea? 1262 01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:27.679 Look it's on huh so Rocky, that's. 1263 01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.679 Ow We're trying to not use that too much anymore 1264 01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:33.960 because now we legitimately have a lot of amazing black 1265 01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:37.840 Irish people, so it doesn't really dilutes it and confuses it. 1266 01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:41.679 But yeah, we consider ourselves as Irish people to be 1267 01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:46.079 very liberal, very progressive. We're all about equality and all that. 1268 01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:49.760 But we don't claim the Irish Americans. 1269 01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:50.599 What. 1270 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:57.440 No, this has got to get so many downvotes, people 1271 01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:00.320 are going to seek seek me out. I'm not going 1272 01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:03.559 to find our podcast and are just going to review bombus. 1273 01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:06.199 Uh, well, we're all getting duxed. We're all getting duxed. 1274 01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:10.880 I love Trump Piece, I love the Went Home Alone too, 1275 01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:12.639 I love The Apprentice. 1276 01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:16.840 Yeah, wrapping it up here, the ending and such, is 1277 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:18.000 there anything that we're missing? 1278 01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:21.599 I also wonder where that car is going at the 1279 01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:24.400 very end we talked about the freeze frame, but the 1280 01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:28.320 credits take place over a car and I'm guessing it's 1281 01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:33.760 her Resolute and Mike in the car. I think it's 1282 01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.119 her piece of shit car that's going, and then we're 1283 01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:38.320 following that for a while as the end credits are going. 1284 01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:42.119 Then we pull out and it carries on its way. 1285 01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:44.360 I don't know if it is her piece of shit 1286 01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:47.800 car though, because it's not her what Axle drives a 1287 01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:50.800 crappy blue Chevy Nova, but she's got hers where you 1288 01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:54.159 can hear the yeah, just whineing like crazy. 1289 01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:56.920 It's a beat up old sixties Mustang. 1290 01:05:57.679 --> 01:05:59.760 Of the fact as well that it's a shabby car, 1291 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.280 that it's not gleaming, it does set her apart from Axel, 1292 01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:07.880 where she's not flash. She's actually just a working cop. 1293 01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:10.440 But it's a dirty pink and I like it. It 1294 01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:13.159 gives a character, and it's a great poster as well, 1295 01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:16.239 like the artwork for the film is great for reclining 1296 01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:18.360 in the car with the gun and the Hollywood sign 1297 01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:21.559 behind her. It's cool. But I do think they should 1298 01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:23.400 have stuck to the ending in the script. That the 1299 01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:25.960 ending in the script was just it tied up a 1300 01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:27.880 lot of loose ends, and I liked it rather than 1301 01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:30.079 that freeze frame, where I guess they just thought, look, 1302 01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:32.320 cut your losses, now we don't get out. 1303 01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:39.039 They're like it worked for truefo four hundred blows. Get 1304 01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:42.000 them that freeze frame, let him think about it, and 1305 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:43.440 then send them off into the night. 1306 01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:47.239 I mean, it was such a cop, such a TV trope, 1307 01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:49.920 but especially like for Cop shows where you get that 1308 01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:52.880 last freeze. Of course, we all remember how they would 1309 01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:57.760 parody that in Police Squad the Zaz Show where they 1310 01:06:57.800 --> 01:07:00.000 would freeze but the criminal didn't know that they were 1311 01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:01.000 supposed to freeze. 1312 01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:03.760 Don't they freeze at the end of Beverly Hills Cop 1313 01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:07.360 Because if I remember, isn't it like this? Yeah? 1314 01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:10.440 Oh yeah, okay, yeah, I. 1315 01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:13.559 Can't remember what Van Dam is a double impact, is 1316 01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:16.519 it or no? It's the Van Dam one where he 1317 01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:18.079 gives the thumbs up at the end. 1318 01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:22.800 Years ago, I saw a super cut of all the 1319 01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:26.079 ends of Chips and every single freeze frame. It would 1320 01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:30.440 be like the last joke and then the freeze. Oh 1321 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:34.079 my god, it was wonderful. Sot yes, and then they 1322 01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:37.800 would freeze and credits. It's like if somebody did that 1323 01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:41.480 for the opening of CSI Miami, that would be great too. 1324 01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:42.440 And I'm sure they have. 1325 01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:47.760 One with David Cruso taking off his glasses constantly detective. 1326 01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:50.559 The victim has seamen in her ears. I guess she 1327 01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:52.320 got to hear her killer coming. 1328 01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:58.960 I don't know. That just reminds me of and I 1329 01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:01.079 think you still do this on Facebook where you have 1330 01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:04.559 the through the legs posters, just the cliche use of image. 1331 01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:07.559 Yeah, we're going to take a break and play a 1332 01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:10.119 pair of interviews. First up, you'll hear from the original 1333 01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:13.719 author of Fatal Beauty, Bill Speno, and we'll follow that 1334 01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:16.359 up with an interview with director Tom Holland. And we'll 1335 01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:22.760 be back with both of those right after these brief messages. 1336 01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:25.199 I don't know how he does it. I mean, the 1337 01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:28.760 guy does books, he writes reviews, he's on the show 1338 01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:31.319 every week with me. I'm talking about my Humble podcast partner, 1339 01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:34.439 Mike White from the Projection Booth. Hey, it's Rob Saint Mary. 1340 01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:36.760 I just wanted to let you know Cinema Detours. Mike's 1341 01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:39.479 new book is out. It collects a bunch of reviews 1342 01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:41.439 that he's done over the past decade or so for 1343 01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:44.359 various places here and there, and you basically want to 1344 01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:46.319 pick it up. And I'll tell you why, because some 1345 01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:48.760 of those older reviews the movies that you have seen, 1346 01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:50.760 it's kind of like chatting with an old friend. And 1347 01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:53.119 then the movies that you haven't seen yet. Well, Mike 1348 01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:55.520 will add about another one hundred to one hundred and 1349 01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:57.680 fifty movies that you're going to have to see before 1350 01:08:57.720 --> 01:08:59.720 you die, you can give him a wedgie or something. 1351 01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:02.199 Next time you see them, thank them for that one. 1352 01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:04.479 It's Cinema Detours. You can get it over at our website, 1353 01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:06.880 projection dashbooth dot com. You can get it at Amazon 1354 01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:08.840 dot com, and you can get it in either payper 1355 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:10.720 form if you're old school, or you can get it 1356 01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:14.199 for your kindle, your e reader. So there's no reason 1357 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:17.479 to detour. Cinema Detours from Mike White. And of course 1358 01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:19.640 you can always learn more about what we do about 1359 01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:28.880 the books and everything else at projection dashbooth dot com. 1360 01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:32.479 Before we even talk about your career in screenwriting, I'm 1361 01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:34.239 so curious. Can you tell me a little bit more 1362 01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:36.560 about you and how you got into entertainment overall. 1363 01:09:37.039 --> 01:09:38.640 You know, I did a lot of theater when I 1364 01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:41.960 was in college, and what got me into this charter 1365 01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:44.600 was that my friend and I had a singing group 1366 01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:47.840 that had a number one hip record Walk right in 1367 01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:53.000 and we toured around the world and I like the performing. 1368 01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:57.119 And then we were doing a tour to introduce the 1369 01:09:57.199 --> 01:10:01.960 Mustang to the world College Tour and this is nineteen 1370 01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:07.359 sixty four, obviously, and we traveled by bus for only 1371 01:10:07.399 --> 01:10:09.720 out of time we ever traveled by bus. We traveled 1372 01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:13.560 by plane or drove by car, and I needed some time. 1373 01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:16.640 I hated just sitting in the bus hour on end. 1374 01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:20.560 So I started writing a play and don't ask me why, 1375 01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:23.880 I just did. And I found I liked writing. So 1376 01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:26.920 I wrote some plays, had a couple things done off 1377 01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:30.960 off Broadway. And then a friend of mine an ancent 1378 01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:34.920 in California, I knew who was originally started in the theater. 1379 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:37.800 He says, why don't you write a screenplay? So I 1380 01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:40.720 checked out what screenplays were and wrote one. Find out 1381 01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:43.680 found out I really liked it, and so I went 1382 01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:45.880 from there. And then my wife and I went to 1383 01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:51.199 California to seek fame and fortune and spent about a 1384 01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:54.439 year there, couldn't get anything to happen, went back to 1385 01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:59.319 our home in Cape Cod and then my wife got 1386 01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:04.520 a television series, so he went back to California. And oh, meanwhile, 1387 01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:07.880 also I worked. I worked as an assistant on a 1388 01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:12.920 movie for American International, and I was just a kind 1389 01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:16.079 of general go for a shot in New Mexico. And 1390 01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:18.079 at that time I got to know a lot of 1391 01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:22.159 people on the film, and so I still didn't know 1392 01:11:22.279 --> 01:11:25.279 I wanted to break into the screenwriting business, but I 1393 01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:27.239 had no idea how to do it. But then one 1394 01:11:27.319 --> 01:11:30.159 day I was going to go play tennis at a 1395 01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.600 public art but there was too long a wait, so 1396 01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:34.199 I said, I'm just going to go over and talk 1397 01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:37.920 to my friend Norman at AIP and we sat down 1398 01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:41.199 and we were talking, and he said, Bill, listen, you 1399 01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:44.760 know they were known for low budget pictures, and you know, 1400 01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:48.279 under people like Roger Corman, they started you know, you know, 1401 01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:52.239 the story Scorsese and Nicholson and a lot of other 1402 01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:55.439 He said, Bill. You know, he knew I was a writer, 1403 01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:58.960 and he said, have you gotten the ideas? And so 1404 01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:01.199 out of the top of my head, I said sure, 1405 01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:05.560 and I gave him a one liner, which was Hatfields 1406 01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:08.520 and the McCoy's as a rival stock car racing families, 1407 01:12:09.319 --> 01:12:13.079 and he said, I can sell that. So that was 1408 01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:15.680 my first job, was out of the blue. They offered 1409 01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:17.960 me minimum and I took it and I had a 1410 01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:22.119 lot of fun writing it, and looking back, it was not, 1411 01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:24.560 I don't think a very good script. There wasn't enough 1412 01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:30.039 action and enough wasn't exploitative enough. But the reason it 1413 01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:33.439 didn't get made, as a matter of fact, when I 1414 01:12:33.479 --> 01:12:37.079 had the script and Jim Nicholson, he and Sam Arkoff 1415 01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:41.560 owned the company and Lee had a disagreement about whether 1416 01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:44.720 to do this picture or not, and Jim Nicholson was 1417 01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:47.640 the champion of my script. But I remember meeting in 1418 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:50.680 their office and saying, listen, I've got a good friend 1419 01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:54.439 who was looking for his first directing job, and I 1420 01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:56.880 know he's going to be big in this town, and 1421 01:12:56.920 --> 01:12:59.600 you ought to consider him. His name is Steven Spielberg, 1422 01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:04.880 and he had one credit, which was a two TV movies, 1423 01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:08.920 one called Duel, which was they got great ratings, and 1424 01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:12.039 Stephen and my wife Joan and I were good friends, 1425 01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:15.119 and he said, oh, yeah, no, I'd like to do that. 1426 01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:17.640 So I told him the basic story and we went 1427 01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:24.439 out to Riverside and watched the races, and I had 1428 01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:26.880 a whole bunch of it. Used to Super eight films, 1429 01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:30.239 They used to put them in a little little boxes 1430 01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:34.000 like this, and so I run along about four of 1431 01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:37.359 these Super eight boxes and gave them to Steven and 1432 01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:40.319 he shot the race and I wish I had those. 1433 01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:42.680 I wish I talked with him to say, you know, 1434 01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:45.760 I wish I'd saved those. He said, probably they really 1435 01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:47.600 would have been bad, he said, because we didn't have 1436 01:13:47.600 --> 01:13:51.239 a very good angle on the race. But anyway, needless 1437 01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:54.119 to say, because of a dispute with Nicholson, the movie 1438 01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:57.960 never got made, but it got me publicity, got me 1439 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:02.079 an agent, and then I went on from there and 1440 01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:08.159 again I had a script that I'd written about. It's 1441 01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:13.359 called Siege originally, and I sold it to CBS with 1442 01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:15.960 the help of a good friend who was an agent. 1443 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:19.760 An interesting story and it's not a complaining one, because 1444 01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:23.680 it all turned out great for me. Was that they 1445 01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:28.479 offered me. The studio offered me less than minimum for 1446 01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:33.640 the script, and then they finally agreed to it. And 1447 01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:38.399 then the producer on the script and there was that 1448 01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:42.159 go project at this point said well we can't afford 1449 01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:43.800 to do. And this was the guy who was very, 1450 01:14:43.880 --> 01:14:47.399 very wealthy, one of the heirs of the Max Sycture fortune. 1451 01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:49.399 He said, well then, Gus, you know I was being 1452 01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:53.039 paid fifteen thousand dollars. He said, unless you take ten 1453 01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:56.239 thousand dollars, we can't do the show. I knew it 1454 01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:59.279 was much more important to get a credit, and he said, 1455 01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:02.439 but don't worry, he said, you know, when the profits 1456 01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:06.319 the movie come in, you'll get your extra five thousand, 1457 01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:08.760 so I knew it was born. I got a credit. 1458 01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:13.159 The movie came on the air, not only had great ratings, 1459 01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:16.800 but I got specifically mentioned as the writer. And after 1460 01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:19.479 that my career took off. You know, I wrote a 1461 01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:22.760 lot of television movies, and I wrote a bunch of 1462 01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:27.119 spec scripts and then without going through the years, because 1463 01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:33.479 this was nineteen seventy three, I think, and literally just 1464 01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:37.000 after the my movie aired and everybody was looking for 1465 01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:39.800 me to be a writer, and I had an agent 1466 01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:43.399 call me up the right six months writer strike happened, 1467 01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:47.880 so couldn't do anything, and I thought, well, you know, 1468 01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:51.840 this is a business. It's ups and downs. So you know, 1469 01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:54.079 my wife and I had just agreed to buy a 1470 01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:58.319 house on Mulholland, so we spent the six months. She 1471 01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:02.159 taught her acting class and I worked on renovating the house, 1472 01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:06.119 and the strike was over. It seemed to just take forever, 1473 01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:10.479 and you know, like what happens in a strike, a 1474 01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:12.920 lot of my other fellow writer friends couldn't write, so 1475 01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:16.520 we would do things like go bowling or talk about 1476 01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:21.000 the business. But once the strike was over, I got 1477 01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:25.720 all kinds of offers to write TV shows, TV long form, 1478 01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:29.560 and so you know, I did that for a few 1479 01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:32.960 years and had a lot of fun doing it. I 1480 01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:35.199 got to be known as a writer because I also 1481 01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:39.600 turned down a lot of things because ethical reasons, Like 1482 01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:43.600 they wanted me to write the script about Charles Manson 1483 01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:48.239 and I read his self aggrandizing biography and realized, there's 1484 01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:51.199 no way making a movie about this isn't going to 1485 01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:56.199 make him important in some way because he's the protagonist. 1486 01:16:56.359 --> 01:16:58.199 So I said, no, forget it, I'm not going to 1487 01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:02.600 do it. Movie never got made. But anyway, I was 1488 01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:06.359 in the screenwriting loop and I was the go to 1489 01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:10.800 writer for long form, and I turned a lot of 1490 01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:13.039 things down, either because I didn't feel I could do 1491 01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:15.479 a good job, but it was nice to be in 1492 01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:18.479 a position. And it was also nice to be where 1493 01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:21.840 I would, you know, sit at my desk writing and 1494 01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:24.279 the checks would come in the mail because this is 1495 01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:27.199 way before a direct deposit, and I stick them in 1496 01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:28.960 the drawer. I didn't even have time to put them 1497 01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:31.760 in the bank. You know, it was fun and I 1498 01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:35.520 really enjoyed the writing. But after a while I realized 1499 01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:37.840 that writing for television, either if you were writing a 1500 01:17:37.920 --> 01:17:41.199 prestige show, it wasn't really what I wanted to do. 1501 01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:44.760 I wanted to write screenplays. So that's kind of the 1502 01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:49.479 height of my being offered things. I said to my agents, Listen, 1503 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:53.159 I always want to write scripts and then spec scripts, 1504 01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:57.159 and they said, okay, we'll support you, which meant a 1505 01:17:57.479 --> 01:17:59.840 big cut in commission for them, but they supported me. 1506 01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:04.039 I guess. The second or third script I wrote was 1507 01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:09.319 optioned by twentieth Century Fox, but again that they signed 1508 01:18:09.359 --> 01:18:12.239 me a producer, and it got caught in the mill 1509 01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:15.119 that the East Coast wanted to do it, the West 1510 01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:18.560 Coast didn't, and so it didn't get made. But I'm 1511 01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:21.760 you know, it was still a good script. And so 1512 01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:26.600 that's pretty much what I kept doing. And then two 1513 01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:31.479 years later, Steven Spielberg we were good friends. We hung 1514 01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:35.039 out together, and we saw him through the staggering success 1515 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:39.159 of Jaws and also him going into and into fame, 1516 01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:41.680 and he used to have a we had a boat 1517 01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:45.239 in the marina which we spent weekends on and Steven 1518 01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:47.680 would come down and we'd hang out, and I remember 1519 01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:50.600 him telling us that they wanted him to do the 1520 01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:54.880 sequel to Jaws, and he knew instinctively it was the 1521 01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:55.439 wrong thing. 1522 01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:55.720 To do. 1523 01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:00.680 And then he said to me one day because I'd 1524 01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:04.319 showed him a couple of my spec scripts, and he said, Bill, 1525 01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:07.960 he said, you said, you're really a classy writer, he said, 1526 01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:11.239 but you're not going to get to be known. He said, 1527 01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:14.920 you should just figure out what's the most commercial script 1528 01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:19.920 you can think of and write it just to get noticed, 1529 01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:24.279 which was great advice. So I thought and thought about 1530 01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:27.000 what's the most commercial thing I can write. I was 1531 01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:30.000 a big fan of the Clint Eastwood movies, the Dirty 1532 01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:36.199 Harry movies, so I thought, huh, dirty Harriet, and I'll 1533 01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:39.079 write I accept on making I'll make her a woman, 1534 01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:42.720 a liberal, and I said it in the Houston Police Force. 1535 01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:45.319 And I went in and tried to sell it to 1536 01:19:46.319 --> 01:19:48.479 Fox and a couple of others and they were interested. 1537 01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:51.720 You know, I pitched it, so I said, well, okay, 1538 01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:54.560 So I wrote the script and then I knew I 1539 01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:57.439 needed a better agent for selling a script. So this 1540 01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:02.239 is way before the big spec script craze happened. And 1541 01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:06.199 I found an Asian named Melinda Jason, who was really 1542 01:20:06.439 --> 01:20:10.760 just what you want. I mean, she was classic, you know, pushy, 1543 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:15.199 over the top, but I knew she could sell the script. 1544 01:20:16.039 --> 01:20:19.279 So she did the classic thing, which has sent the 1545 01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:23.119 script out on a Friday and saying, you know, you've 1546 01:20:23.159 --> 01:20:25.560 got a chance here. We want to see bids on 1547 01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:28.920 Monday morning. And I was back and we were back 1548 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:31.359 in our place in Vail, Colorado, which is where I 1549 01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:36.479 was mostly living, and I remember sitting there and Melinda 1550 01:20:36.600 --> 01:20:40.119 called me up and said, well, Bill, we got some bites. 1551 01:20:41.119 --> 01:20:43.920 And the one who came up with the most money, 1552 01:20:44.479 --> 01:20:47.399 which was really life changing money at that point, was 1553 01:20:47.479 --> 01:20:51.840 twentieth Century Fox, and they said, we'll give you a 1554 01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:55.159 certain amount of money, you know, several hundred thousand dollars 1555 01:20:55.720 --> 01:20:58.680 for an option on the script, but if we buy 1556 01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:01.680 it outright, will give you more money. I said, I 1557 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:05.000 wrote this script to sell it, and so I sold 1558 01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:10.840 it outright, and that was really thrilling moment because it 1559 01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:15.479 bruty did change our life. And I forever thanked Spielberg 1560 01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:19.840 for saying you ought to do that, Bill. And of course, 1561 01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:24.159 then the story because that script, which my title was 1562 01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:31.319 Extreme Measures, we eventually became Fatal Beauty after the long 1563 01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:34.840 But if we you know, talking about the whole process 1564 01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:38.119 of Fatal Beauty, my main thing is is that script 1565 01:21:38.199 --> 01:21:42.479 accomplished exactly what I did wanted. It raised my profile 1566 01:21:42.760 --> 01:21:48.239 enormously and I got offers to, you know, to write 1567 01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:51.479 all kinds of movies do rewrites, were lots of money, 1568 01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:54.800 but that wasn't what I wanted to do. I didn't 1569 01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:58.319 want to write Beverly Hills Cop too. And when the 1570 01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:02.720 business was changing, and when writers like Shane Black and 1571 01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:05.880 Steve Desosa came in, I knew they could write this 1572 01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:08.960 stuff much better than I could. That wasn't my metier 1573 01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:15.039 writing you know, an action action comedy script. And of 1574 01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:20.279 course when Lethal Weapon came out and Beverly Hills Cop, 1575 01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:23.760 you know, action comedy scripts with a lot of real 1576 01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:29.319 action but also comedy, especially the kind of ironic approach 1577 01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:32.199 of Shane Black's. I said, well, I'm glad I turned 1578 01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:35.840 it down because those guys are better than I would be. 1579 01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:41.279 It's not my thing, and I'm they're writing I really admire. 1580 01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:45.359 But it got me to where I got a lot 1581 01:22:45.399 --> 01:22:50.279 of rewrite jobs and writing jobs. But the experience of 1582 01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:53.880 working on Fatal Beauty, as I said, I don't know 1583 01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:58.039 what information you want, but my overwhelming feeling about it, 1584 01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:01.399 no matter the fact that script that was made into 1585 01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:05.159 Fatal Beauty was nothing like my original script. I remember 1586 01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:08.039 sitting in the screening room with my wife at Fox, 1587 01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:10.720 and they were they expecting this, you know, because it 1588 01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:16.319 was supposed to start somebody like Christine Lottie, not somebody 1589 01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:20.439 like Whoopi Goldberg, who I would admire a lot as 1590 01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:24.840 an actor and as a person, but totally wrong casting. 1591 01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:29.079 But they said, you know, they shot the movie and 1592 01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:31.800 they said, well, by contract, we have to write high 1593 01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:33.399 are you to write the sequel? And we know this 1594 01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:36.199 is going to be a big movie. So I watched 1595 01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:40.399 the movie Fatal Beauty in a screening room at Fox, 1596 01:23:41.319 --> 01:23:43.880 and I turned to Joe and said, I don't know. 1597 01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:45.439 They think it's going to be a hit. I think 1598 01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:49.359 this is a terrible movie. And but I don't pretend 1599 01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:51.800 to know. There are movies that were hits that I 1600 01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:54.640 didn't understand, and movies that bomb that I thought were wonderful. 1601 01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:57.840 It's like all of us. So but I said, sure, 1602 01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:01.079 I'll write the sequel. And then of course the movie 1603 01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:05.880 came out and the movie to John Goldwin was the 1604 01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:09.920 producer working for Fox, and she said, well, the movie 1605 01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:12.800 didn't open, and it didn't, I mean, it had a 1606 01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:17.720 terrible opening, and he said, well, you know, we're just 1607 01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:20.039 going to pay you off because there's not going to 1608 01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:22.920 be any sequel. And I said, Marie, I'm so surprised. 1609 01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:24.479 So that was that. 1610 01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:30.159 And originally when they hired, they hired the writers they 1611 01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:33.239 wanted to. Wanted me to work with some more seasoned 1612 01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:37.279 writer writing this genre. I'm doing a rewrite for the movie. 1613 01:24:37.840 --> 01:24:39.319 And I said, who did you have in mind? And 1614 01:24:39.399 --> 01:24:43.439 they said John Mealyus and I said, no, I don't 1615 01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:45.680 like him, but more importantly, I don't like his writing, 1616 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:48.600 and I know and working with him would be a 1617 01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:51.800 nightmare because I knew a lot of people who'd worked 1618 01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:55.800 with him. And they said, well, okay, and you know, 1619 01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:58.600 they hired some other writers to do it. But when 1620 01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:02.119 I saw the movie, I realized one, you know, a 1621 01:25:02.279 --> 01:25:08.000 completely different plot, essentially different characters. And the movie bombed. 1622 01:25:08.920 --> 01:25:11.640 And I regretted the fact that my name was going 1623 01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:14.439 to be all over it. But the fact was it, 1624 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:18.279 really I did accomplish what I wanted. One they had 1625 01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:22.279 They paid me a really good sum because before the 1626 01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:24.840 movie opened they had to buy contract or great a 1627 01:25:24.960 --> 01:25:28.479 price for the for the sequel, and so between the 1628 01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:34.039 original price and the sequel and the reruns. I you know, 1629 01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:38.479 I shared credit with with other people, but of course 1630 01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:41.680 I did, because they really wrote the script that shows 1631 01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:44.880 up on the screen, you know. I know years later 1632 01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:47.680 people would say to me, oh, I really liked that 1633 01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:50.039 line in Fatal Beauty and I saw your name was 1634 01:25:50.079 --> 01:25:52.479 on it, and I said, no, that goes to the 1635 01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:56.199 rewrite rye. That wasn't one of my lines. It was frustrating, 1636 01:25:56.319 --> 01:26:00.600 but it's also not an unusual tale for a professional screenwriter, 1637 01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:04.159 and it reaccomplished exactly what I wanted, so I have 1638 01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:07.199 mostly I would have loved if the original script had 1639 01:26:07.239 --> 01:26:11.119 been shot. And as matter of fact, a couple of 1640 01:26:11.159 --> 01:26:15.000 people hired me, some readly at the same studio that 1641 01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:18.800 eventually made it. They said, Bill, and they'd hired me 1642 01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:20.960 to do a rewrite on a movie or something, and 1643 01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:24.159 theson Bill, I read the original script one of the 1644 01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:27.520 extreme measures, and he said, why didn't I make it? 1645 01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:30.720 That's a great script, And I said, I agree, but 1646 01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:34.760 I'm not an executive. I don't know why. But the 1647 01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:38.119 fact is, my original script got me a lot of 1648 01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:43.039 other work, so to me, it accomplished exactly what I wanted. 1649 01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:47.560 And even though the work that I was mostly offered. 1650 01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:50.880 At that point, writing scripts or rewriting was not stuff 1651 01:26:50.920 --> 01:26:54.039 I wanted to do. I know I'd done a good job, 1652 01:26:54.840 --> 01:26:57.319 and because the script sold and a lot of people 1653 01:26:57.439 --> 01:27:01.359 read the script, and a lot of fellow writers looked 1654 01:27:01.399 --> 01:27:04.000 at it and said they couldn't understand they paid you 1655 01:27:04.119 --> 01:27:07.479 all this money for that, And I said, well, but 1656 01:27:07.640 --> 01:27:11.680 I analyzed what the business was. They needed humor, it 1657 01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:15.439 needed to be frank and just skirting the edge of 1658 01:27:16.079 --> 01:27:21.600 what was possible at the time. But also especially the 1659 01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:26.520 women executives loved it because Harriet, I believed, which was 1660 01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:30.760 her name, was a very strong, independent woman. I didn't 1661 01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:34.119 take shit from anybody and was excellent at her job. 1662 01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:39.239 But as I said, it's exactly the opposite of Clint 1663 01:27:39.239 --> 01:27:43.880 Eastwoods dirty Harry, and I like that character. I you know, 1664 01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:47.199 it was just an old fashioned Western kind of thing, 1665 01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:51.319 you know. So that that was pretty much the story 1666 01:27:51.399 --> 01:27:55.199 of it. I don't know how much detail I can 1667 01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.800 give you, because once I didn't agree with to work 1668 01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:03.159 with Melius, they hired They hired actually a couple of 1669 01:28:03.239 --> 01:28:06.399 good writers to work on the script, but they wanted 1670 01:28:06.439 --> 01:28:11.319 to go a completely different direction, and having subsequently and 1671 01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:15.640 previously been hired to rewrite other people's scripts. I was 1672 01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:19.800 aware sometimes the scripts were really terrible scripts but a 1673 01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:22.720 writer had a good idea, But other times they were 1674 01:28:23.159 --> 01:28:25.840 the prescribed scripts I was rewriting were really pretty good. 1675 01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:26.880 You know. 1676 01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:29.800 The thing is the if a producer has a heavy 1677 01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:32.800 hand in the project and is pushing it forward, he 1678 01:28:32.960 --> 01:28:36.520 wants to see his ideas, and so that's just the 1679 01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:40.439 nature of professional script writing. But the whole experience is 1680 01:28:40.479 --> 01:28:44.359 great for me because they got my name out. And 1681 01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:49.239 also I became known as a really good writer and 1682 01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:52.439 a very fast writer. So if somebody needed a rewrite, 1683 01:28:53.359 --> 01:28:56.520 and I wasn't getting the kind of payment that some 1684 01:28:56.680 --> 01:28:59.479 of my friends got. A few years later, after the 1685 01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:04.279 big Spece script craziness, where the money? I mean, my 1686 01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:08.199 friend Tom Shulman got a package for his agency CAA 1687 01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:12.000 where he got a million dollars for a script that 1688 01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:16.159 it was a package for CIA. The movie didn't go anywhere, 1689 01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:20.600 wound up being called This was Sean Connery, and I 1690 01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:22.960 can't remember who the woman wind up starring in it, 1691 01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:25.520 but of course I can't remember the name of it. 1692 01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:27.760 I believe that's medicine man. 1693 01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:31.359 Anyway, there was the whole vogue, and I'm sure you 1694 01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:36.359 know the history the preedy, big money respects scripts. And 1695 01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:41.000 also when people like Shane Black and Steve Desoza and 1696 01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:45.199 came along, and then there was the whole Diehard craze. 1697 01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:48.159 At one point they asked me to write to work 1698 01:29:48.199 --> 01:29:52.720 on a Diehard and I said, no, that's I don't 1699 01:29:52.720 --> 01:29:56.079 want to do that. I did that, and I said, also, 1700 01:29:56.479 --> 01:29:59.039 there are guys and women who can do it much 1701 01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:01.199 better than I can, because that's not my I was 1702 01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:06.399 known for character driven stories and good characters and good dialogue, 1703 01:30:07.359 --> 01:30:11.520 and that's not really needed or even though I feel 1704 01:30:11.600 --> 01:30:15.680 that Shane Black and Desusa and some others I've done 1705 01:30:15.680 --> 01:30:19.199 a really good job and write terrific dialogue, and it's 1706 01:30:19.399 --> 01:30:24.079 then it's been proven by you know, things they've written 1707 01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:27.159 later on. But it was it was a great time 1708 01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:31.600 for me. But I also I didn't like having my 1709 01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:36.359 scripts just not done the way I wanted them. So 1710 01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:39.479 I had some lucky breaks. But you know, I had 1711 01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:42.680 people who wanted to buy scripts, but I said, but 1712 01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:44.479 I said, well, I don't want to hear to turn 1713 01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:47.159 this into this, and they said, well, that's pretty much 1714 01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:50.640 what we want to do. Just independently based on a 1715 01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:54.760 spicscript I'd written that never got done. But Dustin Hoffman 1716 01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:57.720 hired me to write a script, and I worked with 1717 01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:00.960 the Richard Gear on a script, and I ultimately those 1718 01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:04.119 movies didn't get made. But also then when you work 1719 01:31:04.199 --> 01:31:07.079 with a big star, there's a lot of other things 1720 01:31:07.199 --> 01:31:11.560 going on, you know there. And when I got to 1721 01:31:11.640 --> 01:31:16.920 know Robert Redford pretty well, you know there, some of 1722 01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:20.760 them are incredibly talented, like Dusty Hoffman or Richard Gear. 1723 01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:25.079 I really like Richard Gear as a terrific person. But 1724 01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:28.279 things that happened, you know, he and also he said, 1725 01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:30.880 you know, my profile isn't high enough. I just can't 1726 01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:34.159 get this movie going on my own. It was before 1727 01:31:34.479 --> 01:31:37.880 just before Officer and a Gentleman and between Officer and 1728 01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:42.560 Gentleman and Pretty Woman. So once Pretty Woman came out, 1729 01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:45.279 you know, he was he was back on the a 1730 01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:50.840 list that I have absolutely no complaints, And I don't 1731 01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:55.800 want to be in a process of gossiping negatively about 1732 01:31:55.800 --> 01:31:58.479 anybody who works on a script. Has so many factors 1733 01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:03.800 come into play, so many people have different agendas. You know, 1734 01:32:03.960 --> 01:32:07.119 sure I would have liked it if my script that 1735 01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:10.920 turned out to be Fatal Beauty was the original script. 1736 01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:15.319 I'm convinced it would have been a very successful movie 1737 01:32:15.399 --> 01:32:18.520 and maybe even a franchise. But you never know. I mean, 1738 01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:24.760 the movie business is very strange business, and the kind 1739 01:32:24.800 --> 01:32:27.560 of magic you know. I mean, I know guys like 1740 01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:31.880 Alan Ball who come into town with a script and 1741 01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:37.399 the you know, Steven Spielberg's ambulance buys it, shoots it 1742 01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:42.359 American Beauty almost like he wrote it, and he goes 1743 01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:46.239 on to have a terrific career. That's not usually what happens. 1744 01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:49.680 And you know, I got to know people like he said. 1745 01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:54.279 I was at a writing meeting at Columbia and the 1746 01:32:54.359 --> 01:32:58.319 secretary says, you know, my copy machine maker just sold 1747 01:32:58.359 --> 01:33:01.720 a script for two million dollars. And I said, really, 1748 01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:04.840 And I knew what the script was. It was under 1749 01:33:04.920 --> 01:33:08.079 siege by one it was you know, it was it 1750 01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:11.039 was die Hard on the boat, of course, but he'd 1751 01:33:11.199 --> 01:33:14.039 come up with a clever And I said, no, you 1752 01:33:14.119 --> 01:33:18.039 don't understand. This guy is a screenwriter who's working as 1753 01:33:18.079 --> 01:33:22.239 a copy machine repairer. He's been working for years trying 1754 01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:25.159 to get things going. But to them, what they saw 1755 01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:29.560 was it was like when I went to the secretary 1756 01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:32.760 to pick up the check for selling Extreme Measures, which 1757 01:33:32.880 --> 01:33:36.319 became Fatal Beauty, and the secretary looked at him, says, 1758 01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:38.720 you got How long did it take you to write this? 1759 01:33:38.880 --> 01:33:41.399 I said three and a half weeks and they said, 1760 01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:45.800 you got that many thousand dollars a day. I said, no, 1761 01:33:46.199 --> 01:33:49.479 I've been doing this now for fifteen years. You know, 1762 01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:52.720 that's the nature of this business. And I know a 1763 01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:57.039 lot of writers, really good writers, who never catch a break. 1764 01:33:57.720 --> 01:33:59.920 It was like when when we had the number one 1765 01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:03.560 hit record in the world. People said, Wow, you guys 1766 01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:06.000 are lucky, they said, and you already know what to do. 1767 01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:09.680 You really understand the business. I said, no, lucky is 1768 01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:11.520 what we were. We were in the right place at 1769 01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:15.319 the right time, with the right song. It's a fairly 1770 01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:18.119 simple song. You could dance to it, you could sing it, 1771 01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:22.000 and it was an incredibly lucky break. That's why there's 1772 01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:24.680 a sign over my wife and I's bedroom door that's 1773 01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:31.079 says gratitude, because I feel incredibly fortunate, especially because I 1774 01:34:31.279 --> 01:34:35.800 wasn't willing to take every job that came along, and 1775 01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:39.640 I feel fortunate I had the luxury I didn't because 1776 01:34:39.680 --> 01:34:43.520 I vowed when we came to California. I was not 1777 01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:46.479 going to get involved in a lifestyle that I had 1778 01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:51.159 to work to support. So we never got a huge, 1779 01:34:51.239 --> 01:34:54.640 fancy house. We never wound up, although we did go 1780 01:34:54.720 --> 01:34:57.640 to Chasen's a lot just because we liked it. Well, 1781 01:34:57.760 --> 01:35:00.800 we never wound up, you know, spend lots of money 1782 01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:07.239 and things. We didn't give huge, large parties. And I'm 1783 01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:11.159 so glad because maybe because I had a degree in economics, 1784 01:35:12.039 --> 01:35:14.520 I realized that this may go on for a while, 1785 01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:17.520 it may not. Both with the with the hit record 1786 01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:21.800 and both of the screenwriting success and I've both were 1787 01:35:21.880 --> 01:35:24.760 incredibly lucky breaks at the right place at the right time, 1788 01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:28.199 And I'm forever grateful for that. And that's why I 1789 01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:31.920 only have good things to say about the whole experience, 1790 01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:35.520 which turned out to be fatal beauty, because you know, 1791 01:35:35.640 --> 01:35:37.800 I would grouse to my wife sometimes though I wish 1792 01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:41.760 they'd made the original movie, and anytime somebody unearthed the 1793 01:35:41.800 --> 01:35:45.479 original script, they would say things like, well, why wasn't 1794 01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:48.239 this made? And of course, you know, you have to 1795 01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:51.880 really be deep into the screenwriting game to understand what 1796 01:35:52.079 --> 01:35:55.159 can happen to scripts. And you don't have to talk 1797 01:35:55.239 --> 01:35:58.960 to too many writers. Most of them successful ones. It's 1798 01:35:59.079 --> 01:36:02.680 like still Owne said once that anybody who's trying to 1799 01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:05.159 make it in this business is covered with scar tissue, 1800 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:10.079 because when I used to teach, I would say, you know, 1801 01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:12.680 if you're not getting a lot of no's in this business, 1802 01:36:12.720 --> 01:36:17.520 you're not working hard enough, because it's not with rare exceptions. 1803 01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:17.800 I mean. 1804 01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:21.000 And you know, the actor Lee Majors was on a 1805 01:36:21.079 --> 01:36:25.319 series with my wife Joan, And this was a guy, 1806 01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:29.319 a football player in Tennessee, came to town. Now his 1807 01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:33.319 second cousin was Rock Hudson, but Rock Hudson didn't have 1808 01:36:33.359 --> 01:36:35.680 anything to do with him. He just said, you know, 1809 01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:38.199 why don't you come to town. And he got a 1810 01:36:38.319 --> 01:36:42.640 job first working for the parts the LA Parks Department, 1811 01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:45.760 and then he started hanging out with a bunch of 1812 01:36:45.800 --> 01:36:51.159 stump men who playing touch football. And then one day 1813 01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:54.680 a friend of Rock Hudson said to him, listen, they're 1814 01:36:54.760 --> 01:36:57.319 looking for a guy who looks like you to fill 1815 01:36:57.359 --> 01:37:00.199 out the cast of a new tub television seria of 1816 01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:03.439 Barbara Stanley called Big Valley. So he went up and 1817 01:37:03.520 --> 01:37:07.840 read for it. No acting experience at all, never acted 1818 01:37:07.880 --> 01:37:12.039 in high school, but he was a good looking guy. Engaging, 1819 01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:16.439 and he got the part, and he was never out 1820 01:37:16.520 --> 01:37:19.359 of work for the next twenty plus years. You know, 1821 01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:22.439 had three or four series. You know, you know how 1822 01:37:22.560 --> 01:37:26.720 unusual a story that is compared to all these talented actors. 1823 01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:30.000 The same thing I think of all the incredibly talented 1824 01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:35.239 musicians and songwriters who never make it. You know, they 1825 01:37:35.279 --> 01:37:38.319 can run rings around me in terms of music, certainly 1826 01:37:38.439 --> 01:37:41.399 in terms of guitar playing, but they weren't in the 1827 01:37:41.479 --> 01:37:46.039 right place at the right time. So that's why. And 1828 01:37:46.359 --> 01:37:51.079 the whole Fatal Beauty experience provided exactly what I wanted 1829 01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:54.520 to which it gave us my wife and I financial 1830 01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:57.479 freedom and to do the things that I want, did 1831 01:37:57.520 --> 01:37:59.079 not have to do things I didn't want. 1832 01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:02.359 I mean, this might be a little bit unfair since 1833 01:38:02.800 --> 01:38:07.720 you were writing Extreme Measures back in almost forty years ago, 1834 01:38:07.960 --> 01:38:10.239 but can you tell me a little bit more about 1835 01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:13.000 the story itself, and even if you have to tell 1836 01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:15.760 it in terms of differences between what we eventually saw, 1837 01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:18.000 but I'd love to know what that original script was like. 1838 01:38:18.920 --> 01:38:22.000 The original script was as I said it was. The 1839 01:38:22.159 --> 01:38:25.680 character was named Harriet Casey, and she was in the 1840 01:38:25.760 --> 01:38:31.800 police department. And I knew how these scripts went. So 1841 01:38:33.000 --> 01:38:39.640 the opening shot of the original script was, you see, Harriet. 1842 01:38:39.680 --> 01:38:45.439 There's an attractive policewoman and she's standing with a bunch 1843 01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:49.760 of obvious police recruits in a you know, kind of 1844 01:38:49.840 --> 01:38:54.560 pretty much standard building and she's lecturing them on how 1845 01:38:54.640 --> 01:38:57.640 to deal with the perpetrators. And we don't know who 1846 01:38:57.720 --> 01:39:02.359 she is, we just see her. And she says to 1847 01:39:02.560 --> 01:39:07.039 one of the recruits, you know, the hall, tall, handsome guy. 1848 01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:11.039 So first she says, listen, you know, hold the gun 1849 01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:14.880 on me and threaten me. And so the guy holds 1850 01:39:14.920 --> 01:39:18.279 the gun and she said, act real mean, like you're 1851 01:39:18.279 --> 01:39:20.840 going to shoot me. She just talks to him a 1852 01:39:20.840 --> 01:39:24.600 little bit, and suddenly she know, she closes the distance 1853 01:39:25.600 --> 01:39:29.079 and grabs the gun with her finger on the trigger, 1854 01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:32.960 him firing it. But he manages to pull a trigger, 1855 01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:36.319 but the gun is pointing at the ceiling. When the 1856 01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:38.720 cameras up to the ceiling, it shows a whole bunch 1857 01:39:38.800 --> 01:39:41.840 of holes in the ceiling. Obviously she's done this many times. 1858 01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:44.880 And now, of course it's well known you don't get 1859 01:39:44.920 --> 01:39:49.399 too close, but in those days, something that if every 1860 01:39:49.479 --> 01:39:52.079 policeman knows, but it wasn't something that was in the 1861 01:39:52.159 --> 01:39:55.840 film language at the time, and so you know, Harry, 1862 01:39:55.960 --> 01:40:00.560 we follow Harriet. She goes from there and somebody calls 1863 01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:03.000 her on her pager. This is before cell phones working, 1864 01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:08.760 and said, listen, Harriet, we got a situation. And she said, okay, 1865 01:40:08.840 --> 01:40:12.079 I'll be right there. So she said. He said somebody 1866 01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:15.640 is holding people hostage in an elevator. She said, okay, 1867 01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:18.840 I'll be there, so she comes. He walks in, that says, 1868 01:40:19.079 --> 01:40:24.000 a tall high rise building in a shopping mall. And 1869 01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:28.199 she walks into the building, looks around and somebody says, oh, 1870 01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:32.880 here comes Derry. Harriet. Get out the body bags. And 1871 01:40:33.119 --> 01:40:35.760 that's another fellow policeman. And they don't know what to do, 1872 01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:38.680 and she says, okay, give me a minute. She walks 1873 01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:42.319 into the sundry store and says to the guy, I 1874 01:40:42.399 --> 01:40:46.039 want a really large, ugly purse and a real silly 1875 01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:49.880 floppy hat. So she puts it on, walks back and says, 1876 01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:54.319 so where's the where's the elevator? And they said he's 1877 01:40:54.359 --> 01:40:57.359 holding people there. So she goes to the elevator, presses 1878 01:40:57.399 --> 01:41:01.560 the button, and the elevator down and there's this guy 1879 01:41:02.119 --> 01:41:04.840 holding the people with a gun on them, and she 1880 01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:10.199 gets in pretending to be this so fluttery, really confused woman. 1881 01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:13.680 She says, oh, I'm so sorry, and I'll wait for 1882 01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:17.079 another elevator, and the gunman says, no, you get on, lady. 1883 01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:20.039 So she gets on with her purse and her silly 1884 01:41:20.119 --> 01:41:23.520 floppy hat, and the elevator rises up, and it's one 1885 01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:26.039 of those things with the glass elevator. It's open and 1886 01:41:26.119 --> 01:41:29.159 you can see the whole of the shopping mall, kind 1887 01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:34.159 of like the Century City mall. And as the elevator's rising, 1888 01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:36.079 the guy gets more and more frightened and more and 1889 01:41:36.199 --> 01:41:41.439 more menacing. And we'd seen Harriet put the gun in 1890 01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:45.920 the purse, her gun in the purse, this horrible floppy purse, 1891 01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:49.000 and the guy more and more menacing, and he looks 1892 01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:52.000 like he's going to go for somebody. So she shoots 1893 01:41:52.039 --> 01:41:54.960 through the purse and blows the guy right out the window, 1894 01:41:55.039 --> 01:41:58.640 which wouldn't happen, but and he fallsid to the floor, 1895 01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:01.960 and so she turns around, gets rid of the hat 1896 01:42:02.039 --> 01:42:06.319 and then leaves. You know, later she had met a 1897 01:42:06.399 --> 01:42:10.680 guy in the sundry store who really came on to her, 1898 01:42:11.560 --> 01:42:14.239 and you know, she really liked the looks of the guy. 1899 01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:19.279 Without going through too much detail. She winds up in 1900 01:42:19.359 --> 01:42:22.199 a hotel in a hotel room with him a little 1901 01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:25.399 later in the day, and of course he hasn't seen 1902 01:42:25.439 --> 01:42:29.560 the news or anything, and you know, they're about they're 1903 01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:33.119 in bed in in the hotel room, about to get 1904 01:42:33.199 --> 01:42:39.680 it on when the on the television comes Harriet. They're saying, well, 1905 01:42:39.760 --> 01:42:42.199 you know, he really saved the day, and she says 1906 01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:44.439 they bleep it out. She says, I just trying to 1907 01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:49.079 keep the ship ship rising below chin level. And she 1908 01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:51.560 just goes, oh my god. And of course the guy 1909 01:42:51.800 --> 01:42:54.800 she's about to get into bed with, you know, nothing's 1910 01:42:54.880 --> 01:42:58.399 going to happen. So she picks up her clothes and 1911 01:42:58.880 --> 01:43:02.199 leaves and the guy I sort of stares open mouth. 1912 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:07.039 But that's how they introduce into the character. And the 1913 01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:11.479 next day it turns out she's kind of has a 1914 01:43:12.239 --> 01:43:16.000 you know, a dirty Harry approach to She doesn't like 1915 01:43:16.079 --> 01:43:21.199 to work with inexperienced partners and she likes to go 1916 01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:25.359 along alone. But the Houston police chief said, listen, Harry, 1917 01:43:25.399 --> 01:43:27.560 I we didn't need you to take care of this guy. 1918 01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:31.439 He's kind of a special hire, so I want you 1919 01:43:31.560 --> 01:43:35.800 to partner with him. And so she says, okay, so 1920 01:43:35.960 --> 01:43:39.039 she meets the guy and is a young black guy, nervous, 1921 01:43:39.960 --> 01:43:44.079 and so they're walking, you know, to the shape up 1922 01:43:44.159 --> 01:43:46.720 and she says, listen, let's get this straight right away. 1923 01:43:47.680 --> 01:43:51.760 You don't call me gash hunt pussy, he said, And 1924 01:43:51.800 --> 01:43:55.319 I won't call you nigger, dinger, darkie. All right, and 1925 01:43:55.560 --> 01:43:59.319 he goes all right, But that sets the tone. In 1926 01:43:59.399 --> 01:44:02.800 other words, she very frank, I'm not concerned about what 1927 01:44:02.960 --> 01:44:06.920 we now call political correctness. But she gets the job done. 1928 01:44:07.680 --> 01:44:11.680 And so the story of the movie is about very 1929 01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:15.960 clever murder that's going on serial because it turns out 1930 01:44:16.199 --> 01:44:22.000 it's two twins and what's called a foaliadeu or working together, 1931 01:44:23.079 --> 01:44:27.479 and they're inseparable, and so, you know, she and her 1932 01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:31.880 partner track it down, and there's a whole lot of 1933 01:44:31.960 --> 01:44:34.760 things that go on. But what's so the script is 1934 01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:38.680 the combination of the action and the humor. They're sent 1935 01:44:38.800 --> 01:44:42.000 out of town to check on a lead, and she 1936 01:44:42.159 --> 01:44:46.039 goes to this small town in Texas where there's the 1937 01:44:46.119 --> 01:44:50.960 typical you know Virgil Timbs Virgil, I forget that, I 1938 01:44:51.000 --> 01:44:55.399 mean not a Virgil's the Rod Steiger character and Chable 1939 01:44:55.560 --> 01:44:59.319 Knight and anyway, you know, Harriet comes in and he 1940 01:44:59.319 --> 01:45:01.680 doesn't want to give much and he said, listen, he said, 1941 01:45:02.479 --> 01:45:04.800 you know, around these parts of the country, we feel 1942 01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:07.760 about women in our police force like we feel like 1943 01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:10.880 shit in our apple pie. And Harriet says, well, I 1944 01:45:10.920 --> 01:45:14.760 won't ask if you're any recipes and leaves. But the 1945 01:45:14.960 --> 01:45:18.399 people who are reading that spec script, they like that 1946 01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:22.640 kind of language because it was pushing the boundaries of 1947 01:45:22.760 --> 01:45:26.439 what you could do. And they like the character because 1948 01:45:26.479 --> 01:45:29.119 she has a great sense of humor. But also the 1949 01:45:29.199 --> 01:45:32.279 position se'es in is realistic. You know, she has a 1950 01:45:32.319 --> 01:45:35.600 lot of admirers, but a lot of envious policemen on 1951 01:45:35.680 --> 01:45:39.119 the on the force, but because she gets the job done, 1952 01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:42.039 and you know, there's a lot of excitement, a lot 1953 01:45:42.039 --> 01:45:45.960 of them. There's a big shootout at the end and 1954 01:45:46.199 --> 01:45:51.039 very dramatic and where Harriet gets the part and her 1955 01:45:51.119 --> 01:45:55.920 partner get the the purpse car. They're in are in 1956 01:45:56.000 --> 01:46:02.000 a classic location. They're in a big warehouse and she 1957 01:46:02.199 --> 01:46:05.359 manages to hook the purpse car on a on a 1958 01:46:05.520 --> 01:46:09.960 huge chain and it winds up being hoisted above the 1959 01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:13.439 air with the with the purp playing. You know, it 1960 01:46:13.560 --> 01:46:17.640 was a very visual I knew what it was. I 1961 01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:22.560 didn't pretend that it was some kind of amazing piece 1962 01:46:22.600 --> 01:46:26.279 of writing. It was meant to be an action comedy 1963 01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:30.039 with a female protagonist. And you know, a lot of 1964 01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:34.039 the actresses of the day heard about it and wanted 1965 01:46:34.079 --> 01:46:37.880 to play it. But once they they put John Mealyus 1966 01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:42.199 on his rewriting, and then another writer, and then and 1967 01:46:42.279 --> 01:46:45.560 then they started changing the script and they changed it 1968 01:46:45.640 --> 01:46:49.520 into a very ordinary drug story. And of course then 1969 01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:52.439 none of the actresses who wanted to play the original 1970 01:46:52.560 --> 01:46:56.399 character wanted to play it, but Whoopy Goldbert was looking 1971 01:46:56.479 --> 01:47:00.640 to do something different. And I remember this was before 1972 01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:02.439 I saw what they'd done with the script. I remember 1973 01:47:02.600 --> 01:47:05.800 seeing on the Tonight Show talking about how much fun 1974 01:47:05.880 --> 01:47:09.600 she was having playing a cop and you know, using 1975 01:47:09.640 --> 01:47:12.800 a big gun. And they had some pretty good They 1976 01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:15.279 had Reuben Blades, and they had Sam Elliott. They had 1977 01:47:15.319 --> 01:47:19.199 a pretty good supporting cast. I thought the movie was 1978 01:47:20.279 --> 01:47:23.359 was nonsense. It still could have been nonsense in to 1979 01:47:23.439 --> 01:47:26.479 beg a big hit. You know, nobody knows anything to 1980 01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:30.680 code Bill Goldman, which is really true. But Tamir, it 1981 01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:33.279 was just a miracle that I accomplished what I wanted 1982 01:47:33.359 --> 01:47:38.479 to do, and I learned very quickly the movie did 1983 01:47:38.680 --> 01:47:41.000 good for me. I didn't want no point in trashing 1984 01:47:41.439 --> 01:47:43.760 writers who were hired to work on it, no point in, 1985 01:47:44.640 --> 01:47:46.720 you know, when people would see the movie and see 1986 01:47:46.760 --> 01:47:49.359 my name and say, oh, you know, I enjoyed that 1987 01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:52.359 was fun, I would say thank you. I wouldn't say, oh, 1988 01:47:52.439 --> 01:47:55.319 you should have seen my script, you know, because that 1989 01:47:56.159 --> 01:48:00.319 then they deflates the people who are complimenting you, because actually, 1990 01:48:00.359 --> 01:48:04.079 if it's a civilian, a regular person, they're really excited, Oh, 1991 01:48:04.159 --> 01:48:06.920 your name's on a movie. And Opie Goldberg was in it. 1992 01:48:07.079 --> 01:48:10.560 And of course, once the movie came out on TV 1993 01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:15.239 and you know, ran, of course nobody remembered that it 1994 01:48:15.359 --> 01:48:21.159 was a flop, except, of course, twentieth Century Fox. But 1995 01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:24.000 over the years, I'm sure they've made their money back 1996 01:48:24.039 --> 01:48:27.319 because it plays an awful lot, and you know, they 1997 01:48:27.479 --> 01:48:30.880 sold it with a basket of movies, and I still get, 1998 01:48:31.119 --> 01:48:36.079 you know, an occasional twenty thirty forty dollars residual. But 1999 01:48:36.199 --> 01:48:39.880 I realized it's you know, that was nineteen eighty four 2000 01:48:40.079 --> 01:48:43.279 or five. It was made, you know, forty years later. 2001 01:48:44.159 --> 01:48:45.720 You know, I just dealt with the fact that it 2002 01:48:45.800 --> 01:48:48.600 did what I wanted and that I would never show 2003 01:48:48.640 --> 01:48:51.479 it to anybody as an example of my work. Oh, 2004 01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:53.680 you ought to see this movie. I mean, a lot 2005 01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:57.760 of my contemporaries, their scripts were made into really good movies. 2006 01:48:57.840 --> 01:49:00.880 It'd be proud to show it. Some of my television 2007 01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:04.920 movies turned out pretty good, some not so much. But 2008 01:49:05.960 --> 01:49:09.479 I said, I basically feel about my career very fortunate. 2009 01:49:10.359 --> 01:49:14.279 And there's a lot of very talented writers who never 2010 01:49:14.359 --> 01:49:17.640 really wound up getting a break, And especially now and 2011 01:49:18.199 --> 01:49:21.039 now when everybody has two businesses, theres and show business 2012 01:49:21.119 --> 01:49:24.920 and everybody, you know, there's endless you know. I had 2013 01:49:24.920 --> 01:49:28.000 a lot of students I sometimes taught at festivals or 2014 01:49:29.079 --> 01:49:31.840 or movies that I taught for seven years the University 2015 01:49:31.880 --> 01:49:36.880 of North Carolina, teaching screenwriting and playwriting. And you know, 2016 01:49:37.039 --> 01:49:41.399 the kids have in most cases delightfully unrealistic views of, 2017 01:49:42.359 --> 01:49:44.479 you know, how they're going to make it in Hollywood. 2018 01:49:45.359 --> 01:49:48.439 And a couple of times I got some of my 2019 01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:52.359 students' intern jobs. But then they found out how much 2020 01:49:52.399 --> 01:49:55.119 work it is if you start at the bottom. And 2021 01:49:55.199 --> 01:49:56.680 they thought they were going to go out there and 2022 01:49:56.720 --> 01:49:59.399 they'd have a script and you know, people would fall 2023 01:49:59.439 --> 01:50:02.319 all over them, and they said, well, I'm you know, 2024 01:50:02.359 --> 01:50:05.199 I'm being a gopher for. And I said, who are 2025 01:50:05.239 --> 01:50:07.159 you being a gopher for? And I said, well, I'm 2026 01:50:07.199 --> 01:50:10.079 working for Scott Free And I said, these guys are 2027 01:50:10.119 --> 01:50:13.159 a major production company. Just look around and get to 2028 01:50:13.279 --> 01:50:17.640 know people. There's lots of opportunities. They didn't want to 2029 01:50:17.680 --> 01:50:21.800 do that. I was really surprised, and I was aware 2030 01:50:21.800 --> 01:50:25.880 of it when I was trying to sell anything my 2031 01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:29.119 first couple of years, you know, went on endless interviews 2032 01:50:29.159 --> 01:50:32.680 to try and sell, you know, show for them originally 2033 01:50:32.840 --> 01:50:36.920 and shows like Benicheck or The Original Mission Impossible. And 2034 01:50:37.079 --> 01:50:40.520 I did write a couple of things for television, but 2035 01:50:40.640 --> 01:50:43.479 I really didn't like it because the formula was so rigid, 2036 01:50:44.319 --> 01:50:47.960 there was limited what you could do. And the TV movies, 2037 01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:51.079 some of them which came out really well, I just 2038 01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:55.199 got tired of the restrictions in the in the act 2039 01:50:55.359 --> 01:50:58.279 format because in those days, this is way before you 2040 01:50:58.359 --> 01:51:01.920 could write a series or a movie for you know, 2041 01:51:02.199 --> 01:51:06.439 HBO or Apple or any of the others. I would 2042 01:51:06.479 --> 01:51:10.479 be fun to written in those times. And also I 2043 01:51:10.680 --> 01:51:14.000 dispect scripts that I had that everybody said were absolutely 2044 01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:18.279 great never get made. But there are a lot of writers, 2045 01:51:18.640 --> 01:51:22.960 some of them extraordinarily successful could never get their pet 2046 01:51:23.039 --> 01:51:28.800 script made. But again I just had no complaints, And 2047 01:51:28.920 --> 01:51:32.520 I don't really have a lot of gossip because I 2048 01:51:32.680 --> 01:51:36.560 wasn't around the production of Fatal Beauty, and I just 2049 01:51:36.760 --> 01:51:40.359 know from you know, people at Fox who hired me 2050 01:51:40.479 --> 01:51:44.359 to do other projects were around the project and saw 2051 01:51:44.439 --> 01:51:47.079 it going what they thought was in the wrong direction. 2052 01:51:48.119 --> 01:51:48.800 But who knows. 2053 01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:52.319 I mean, there's you know, if especially you're a student 2054 01:51:52.399 --> 01:51:56.640 of the film industry, many movies people thought were going 2055 01:51:56.720 --> 01:52:02.359 to be absolute bombs weren't. We're surprise hit, never mind 2056 01:52:02.800 --> 01:52:06.840 real oddball things like the Blair Witch Project or things 2057 01:52:06.880 --> 01:52:09.319 that just came over the transom, and nobody can figure 2058 01:52:09.359 --> 01:52:13.039 out why was that his success? And then why do 2059 01:52:13.159 --> 01:52:18.279 movies like Porky's or you know, American Pie, why do 2060 01:52:18.359 --> 01:52:23.720 they become huge hits and other either outrageous comedies. I 2061 01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:27.199 remember I was they wanted to hire me if somebody 2062 01:52:27.239 --> 01:52:31.119 had written a script that eventually became something about Mary 2063 01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:34.039 and they said, you know this is this is not 2064 01:52:34.159 --> 01:52:34.840 a good script. 2065 01:52:35.079 --> 01:52:35.960 What can you do with it? 2066 01:52:36.720 --> 01:52:38.119 So I read it and said there were a lot 2067 01:52:38.159 --> 01:52:40.960 of things I came up with, and they didn't like 2068 01:52:41.079 --> 01:52:43.560 any of them. They would have made a good movie. 2069 01:52:44.039 --> 01:52:46.800 But then I saw the Fairly Brothers movie. I thought, 2070 01:52:47.359 --> 01:52:50.760 good thing they didn't harre me because the Fairly Brothers 2071 01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:59.000 got that kind of outrageous, ridiculous in maywey Case's childish approach. 2072 01:53:00.079 --> 01:53:02.000 I never would have thought of that, and never would 2073 01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:04.760 have wouldn't have been a giant hit, you know, and 2074 01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:08.760 especially some of these site gags. But they were the 2075 01:53:08.880 --> 01:53:13.800 right people. And that's the coda line from one of 2076 01:53:13.840 --> 01:53:16.640 the Dirty Harry movies. The man's got to know his limitations. 2077 01:53:17.920 --> 01:53:20.720 And I knew what my strengths were and what my 2078 01:53:20.800 --> 01:53:24.560 weaknesses were, because what I never wanted to do was 2079 01:53:25.239 --> 01:53:28.439 take a thing just for the money, knowing I couldn't 2080 01:53:28.439 --> 01:53:31.000 really do a good job with it. You know, the 2081 01:53:31.079 --> 01:53:37.239 things that I took, either rewrites or originals that they bought, 2082 01:53:38.159 --> 01:53:40.439 I knew by my standards I could do a good job. 2083 01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:44.239 Sometimes they came out well, sometimes they didn't like I 2084 01:53:44.399 --> 01:53:48.079 was hired to do a major rewrite on a ge 2085 01:53:48.279 --> 01:53:52.680 movie Theater, which was a prestigious CBS to our movie, 2086 01:53:53.680 --> 01:53:57.960 and the woman who read the original script way missed 2087 01:53:58.000 --> 01:54:01.039 the mark and they were right about it. So I 2088 01:54:01.239 --> 01:54:07.319 did a you know, major rewrite on it. And interestingly enough, 2089 01:54:08.279 --> 01:54:11.680 the movie won a Peabody Award. I didn't get any 2090 01:54:11.800 --> 01:54:15.520 credit at all. When the arbitration or the thing came through, 2091 01:54:15.640 --> 01:54:17.800 I didn't bother putting in. I said, well, you know, 2092 01:54:18.560 --> 01:54:21.479 it wasn't my idea. And I don't know how much 2093 01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:23.439 I did or I don't know what the criteria was. 2094 01:54:24.359 --> 01:54:28.800 But what happened was when the my name didn't show 2095 01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:32.239 up on the script, and a woman named Judith somebody 2096 01:54:32.319 --> 01:54:35.439 or other, you know, she got the credit, she got 2097 01:54:35.479 --> 01:54:39.239 all the residuals and and but the New York Times 2098 01:54:41.159 --> 01:54:45.880 was really i'd have to say, outraged, because they ferreted 2099 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:48.920 out the real story of what I did with the script. 2100 01:54:49.600 --> 01:54:53.600 I think they talked to the producer and they wrote 2101 01:54:53.800 --> 01:54:58.800 an article which was unheard of, saying Bill Swano, you know, 2102 01:54:58.920 --> 01:55:01.640 should have had credit on this. And then when it 2103 01:55:01.760 --> 01:55:06.239 won an award, the producers of the movie insisted that 2104 01:55:06.720 --> 01:55:10.720 I get on an award also because I'd done they 2105 01:55:10.760 --> 01:55:14.760 thought i'd done, which I thought was an incredibly decent 2106 01:55:14.880 --> 01:55:20.920 thing and really surprised me because but I never you know, 2107 01:55:21.039 --> 01:55:24.760 I remember sometimes writers called me up if I worked 2108 01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:27.680 on their script or they worked on mine, and they'd 2109 01:55:27.720 --> 01:55:30.600 say listen, I need to get mostly close to the 2110 01:55:30.680 --> 01:55:33.439 credit for this, because I did an awful lot of work, 2111 01:55:33.479 --> 01:55:36.800 and I said, it's not my decision to make. If 2112 01:55:36.840 --> 01:55:40.680 he wanted, I'll just let it go to arbitration. Sometimes 2113 01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:44.760 I lost, sometimes I didn't, but I I didn't know. 2114 01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:48.720 You know, there were writers I knew who would handle 2115 01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:52.279 the arbitrations, but I did. This wasn't something I wanted 2116 01:55:52.319 --> 01:55:55.000 to do, and I didn't want to get knowledgeable enough 2117 01:55:55.079 --> 01:55:57.359 to do it, so I would just let it go, 2118 01:55:57.680 --> 01:56:00.920 and sometimes it went my way, like it certainly went 2119 01:56:01.039 --> 01:56:03.720 my way in the ge theater was called Miles to Go, 2120 01:56:03.960 --> 01:56:10.039 starting Marty Balsen and interestingly enough, McKenzie Phillips, a John 2121 01:56:10.079 --> 01:56:13.760 Phillips's daughter. You know, I knew John Phillips really well 2122 01:56:13.920 --> 01:56:17.479 because he and Scott mackenzie, both of them went on 2123 01:56:17.720 --> 01:56:21.239 for considerable fame, had a folk trio and used to 2124 01:56:21.319 --> 01:56:25.159 hang around us in the village trying to figure out 2125 01:56:25.199 --> 01:56:27.319 how we played what we played, so I knew him. 2126 01:56:27.720 --> 01:56:31.000 And of course when I knew him, John Phillips was 2127 01:56:31.079 --> 01:56:36.560 this absolutely straight laced guy wearing a suit and singing 2128 01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:39.760 preppy songs. So when I saw him and the mom 2129 01:56:39.920 --> 01:56:42.680 was in the Poppas, which I thought was great. I 2130 01:56:42.800 --> 01:56:45.079 loved their music. I thought they were a fabulous group, 2131 01:56:45.840 --> 01:56:50.159 but unfortunately they were you know, at the dysfunctional hell 2132 01:56:50.199 --> 01:56:53.600 hole in terms of lifestyle. But it was kind of 2133 01:56:53.720 --> 01:56:58.319 you know, like I the way the paths crossing the business. 2134 01:56:58.399 --> 01:57:01.119 This is off the topic, but you know, I was 2135 01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:03.880 in graduate school studying economics, and I used to go 2136 01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:07.039 to a little cafe in the place they called Dinky 2137 01:57:07.159 --> 01:57:10.800 Town in Minneapolis, which is where a university students hung out. 2138 01:57:11.439 --> 01:57:15.319 Then there was this kid wearing a red beanie, singing 2139 01:57:15.399 --> 01:57:19.680 and playing songs, and he and I would trade sets, 2140 01:57:20.319 --> 01:57:23.600 and he was a surly young kid. He didn't particularly 2141 01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:26.479 like me. I was doing a lot of American blues 2142 01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:31.079 and blassic and he was doing traditional songs but also 2143 01:57:31.199 --> 01:57:34.359 some songs he'd written. And of course that guy was 2144 01:57:35.439 --> 01:57:39.039 Bobby Zimmerman, soon to be known as Bob Dylan. So 2145 01:57:39.199 --> 01:57:41.279 when we both showed up in the village a few 2146 01:57:41.399 --> 01:57:45.479 years later trying to be singers, and he was suddenly 2147 01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:49.520 Bob Dylan, not from Hibbing, Minnesota, but from calub New Mexico. 2148 01:57:50.560 --> 01:57:53.760 And you know, having claimed gone to visit Woody Guthrie 2149 01:57:53.880 --> 01:57:59.399 and I was pretty contemptuous, and I really didn't like 2150 01:57:59.439 --> 01:58:02.600 his first year songs. But then all of a sudden, 2151 01:58:02.680 --> 01:58:04.439 he wrote a couple of songs and I went, wait 2152 01:58:04.439 --> 01:58:06.920 a minute. I mean, I like this guy, but he's 2153 01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:11.560 a fucking genius. This guy really is great. So I've 2154 01:58:11.600 --> 01:58:15.000 been in a huge appreciation of his music, not of him. 2155 01:58:15.880 --> 01:58:17.920 And he tried to pretend he didn't know me when 2156 01:58:17.960 --> 01:58:19.960 we first showed up in New York. Right, I was 2157 01:58:20.039 --> 01:58:23.880 gonna bust his chops because I knew who he was, 2158 01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:25.199 but I never said anything. 2159 01:58:25.319 --> 01:58:28.439 You know, I was, and then he was. I mean, 2160 01:58:29.359 --> 01:58:31.600 he went on to be you know, well. 2161 01:58:32.199 --> 01:58:36.399 I guess when you win the prizes. He's won. You know, 2162 01:58:36.560 --> 01:58:40.119 I still don't know that. I disagree over his winning 2163 01:58:40.279 --> 01:58:42.239 the Nobel Prize. 2164 01:58:43.199 --> 01:58:45.479 So how about you? Are you still teaching, are you retired, 2165 01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:47.159 or what are you up to these days? 2166 01:58:48.000 --> 01:58:51.119 I'm pretty much retired. I found, you know, I had 2167 01:58:51.119 --> 01:58:55.680 a lot of scripts, play scripts and movie scripts, but 2168 01:58:55.840 --> 01:58:59.319 I just what I'm interested. I'm just I just don't 2169 01:58:59.399 --> 01:59:03.560 have an interest anymore of writing them. I still love movies, 2170 01:59:04.439 --> 01:59:09.119 and occasionally I do some teaching on zoom or from consulting, 2171 01:59:09.640 --> 01:59:13.800 just pro bono for friends. But also I'm aware that 2172 01:59:14.720 --> 01:59:19.920 the business has changed incredibly amount and the things that 2173 01:59:20.039 --> 01:59:23.199 I like to teach about the fundamentals of storytelling and 2174 01:59:23.760 --> 01:59:29.920 the fundamental bricks of constructing a good story are still valid, 2175 01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:32.119 and they're valid for a lot of other things. I 2176 01:59:32.159 --> 01:59:35.119 remember when I was teaching in North Carolina, I had 2177 01:59:35.560 --> 01:59:38.840 the students who came to my class, but they wanted 2178 01:59:38.880 --> 01:59:42.199 to be lawyers. But they're learning how to organize a story, 2179 01:59:42.359 --> 01:59:45.600 which if you're going to be a trial lawyer. And 2180 01:59:46.079 --> 01:59:49.680 I thought, well, that's the terrific idea. And you know, 2181 01:59:49.760 --> 01:59:52.960 I also taught playwriting and I had some really talented 2182 01:59:53.039 --> 01:59:57.239 people who I'm really pleased with because a lot of 2183 01:59:57.279 --> 02:00:00.560 the teachers who are teaching these talented people wanted to 2184 02:00:00.640 --> 02:00:03.760 mold them into what they thought what a good writer 2185 02:00:03.920 --> 02:00:07.079 should be. And I would just say, you know, this 2186 02:00:07.239 --> 02:00:09.520 is your and they want to do projects that their 2187 02:00:09.560 --> 02:00:11.000 other teachers would say, that's wild. 2188 02:00:11.119 --> 02:00:11.920 Nobody likes that. 2189 02:00:12.920 --> 02:00:16.399 And one of them was Becker Brunsteadter, who went to 2190 02:00:16.479 --> 02:00:19.279 New York, had a few small plays down in a 2191 02:00:19.319 --> 02:00:22.039 couple published, but then she was part of the writing 2192 02:00:22.159 --> 02:00:25.039 staff of This Is Us and has now gone on 2193 02:00:25.199 --> 02:00:29.239 to a well deserved really good career as a writer. 2194 02:00:30.159 --> 02:00:33.239 I'm very, very talented, but she had her own unique 2195 02:00:33.359 --> 02:00:37.760 approach to things, and I encouraged her, you know, no, 2196 02:00:37.960 --> 02:00:41.760 go with that weird godball approach. You've got the things, 2197 02:00:41.800 --> 02:00:45.319 because that's you know, somebody who's not trying to imitate 2198 02:00:45.399 --> 02:00:48.359 but is trying to be themselves is really rare. And 2199 02:00:48.479 --> 02:00:50.760 her teachers had told her. I encouraged her to write 2200 02:00:50.800 --> 02:00:54.399 a play which was very scattered and a lot of 2201 02:00:54.479 --> 02:00:57.960 different stories, and they said, well, don't write that play, 2202 02:00:58.159 --> 02:01:02.279 you know, And it turns out, out of thousands of entries, 2203 02:01:02.359 --> 02:01:05.560 it won the college wide play contest and she got 2204 02:01:05.640 --> 02:01:10.159 a full production. And you know, she was just she 2205 02:01:10.359 --> 02:01:11.039 was just different. 2206 02:01:11.119 --> 02:01:11.239 You know. 2207 02:01:11.439 --> 02:01:14.600 She was a big woman, a lesbian but not out 2208 02:01:14.640 --> 02:01:18.840 as one, but everybody knew, and a real oddball tattoos 2209 02:01:19.039 --> 02:01:23.399 and but just incredibly smart. People used to say, well, 2210 02:01:23.439 --> 02:01:26.159 you know you taught Becker right, and did you help her? 2211 02:01:26.239 --> 02:01:28.960 I said no, I just let her go the way 2212 02:01:29.079 --> 02:01:32.279 she wanted to go, which is which I think is 2213 02:01:32.319 --> 02:01:35.800 in a way it's helped. But I wouldn't claim somebody 2214 02:01:35.880 --> 02:01:39.880 with that kind of talent. I feel hopefully they'll. 2215 02:01:39.720 --> 02:01:40.760 Find their way anyway. 2216 02:01:41.560 --> 02:01:43.960 But I really enjoyed the teaching, and I have a 2217 02:01:44.039 --> 02:01:47.159 lot of you know, I taught for seven years and 2218 02:01:47.239 --> 02:01:49.199 then I did a lot of festivals and teaching and 2219 02:01:50.000 --> 02:01:52.119 both my wife and I and my wife is Joan. 2220 02:01:52.239 --> 02:01:56.000 Joan Darling is a world renowned teacher. And we still do, 2221 02:01:56.359 --> 02:02:00.920 you know, some zoom classes our case occasionally go to 2222 02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:05.479 a festival or a place, you know, and I don't 2223 02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:07.560 do as much because either of us want to travel. 2224 02:02:08.399 --> 02:02:11.760 Like we used to go to film festivals and it 2225 02:02:11.920 --> 02:02:15.600 was fun. They treat you well and you don't have 2226 02:02:15.720 --> 02:02:17.000 to work too hard and you get to see a 2227 02:02:17.039 --> 02:02:21.600 lot of interesting movies. But now ever since the pandemic, 2228 02:02:21.800 --> 02:02:25.640 traveling is really onerous. That's pretty much my story. Do 2229 02:02:25.720 --> 02:02:28.319 you have any other questions or did I answer what you. 2230 02:02:29.319 --> 02:02:32.199 I think you gave me everything that I was hoping for. 2231 02:02:32.439 --> 02:02:33.600 So thank you so much for. 2232 02:02:33.720 --> 02:02:36.359 This my pleasure and nice to meet you and talk 2233 02:02:36.399 --> 02:02:36.600 with you. 2234 02:03:06.279 --> 02:03:07.880 Tell me a little bit more as far as like 2235 02:03:07.960 --> 02:03:11.199 where were you in your career when this project crapped up? 2236 02:03:11.239 --> 02:03:13.920 And where was the project? Because like you said, share 2237 02:03:14.119 --> 02:03:16.800 was cast in it. I know it went through many writers, 2238 02:03:16.960 --> 02:03:19.039 Like where was that when you got to it? 2239 02:03:19.760 --> 02:03:23.000 I got to it after Dean Reichter had done the 2240 02:03:23.600 --> 02:03:27.079 most recent draft and one good thing is out of it. 2241 02:03:27.159 --> 02:03:29.840 I became very I became very good friends with Dean Rocher, 2242 02:03:29.880 --> 02:03:33.119 who was a wonderful man, a terrific writer. 2243 02:03:33.800 --> 02:03:33.960 You know. 2244 02:03:34.039 --> 02:03:38.239 I mean he did the polishes on Dirty Harry, you know, 2245 02:03:38.399 --> 02:03:41.560 I mean it just was everything and he had just 2246 02:03:41.680 --> 02:03:44.359 done it was a very coherent script. But it was 2247 02:03:44.479 --> 02:03:48.079 a coherence script for you know, you know, for share, 2248 02:03:48.840 --> 02:03:52.399 you know. And it was not funny, that was the thing. 2249 02:03:52.520 --> 02:03:56.680 It wasn't funny. Then I started to work with with 2250 02:03:56.880 --> 02:03:58.960 with woofe of Sam. I think I think I got 2251 02:03:59.039 --> 02:04:03.600 three four five days of rehearsals. It wasn't funny. It 2252 02:04:03.800 --> 02:04:07.560 wasn't like, you know, it wasn't Eddie Murphy and you know, 2253 02:04:07.800 --> 02:04:12.199 and Beverly Hills cop her personality came through, but it 2254 02:04:12.319 --> 02:04:16.680 wasn't formed yet. I mean not as the movie personality 2255 02:04:16.840 --> 02:04:20.199 wasn't formed yet. That if she played the script, that 2256 02:04:20.199 --> 02:04:22.800 would have been a rich for so that she so 2257 02:04:22.960 --> 02:04:26.319 she made the script come to her, if that makes sense. 2258 02:04:26.439 --> 02:04:29.600 If it came in. There were there were moments when 2259 02:04:29.640 --> 02:04:32.399 it was then when it was funny, but it also 2260 02:04:33.199 --> 02:04:37.399 you know, got it got edgy too, you know, there's 2261 02:04:37.399 --> 02:04:40.279 a little bit of race baiting in there. I had 2262 02:04:40.319 --> 02:04:44.479 a terrific experience with her forty five years forty years ago, 2263 02:04:44.600 --> 02:04:48.640 forty years ago on Fatal Beauty. It's just that it's 2264 02:04:48.720 --> 02:04:52.640 just the whoopee has become such a public personality. I 2265 02:04:52.680 --> 02:04:55.680 don't want to say the wrong thing. But then she 2266 02:04:56.000 --> 02:04:58.680 was she was an actress. She was coming off Color 2267 02:04:58.800 --> 02:05:01.920 Purple and the and the series two or three Burglar 2268 02:05:02.000 --> 02:05:05.199 what have two or three comedies that she'd done, you 2269 02:05:05.319 --> 02:05:08.039 know what I mean. I thought she was extremely talented. 2270 02:05:08.920 --> 02:05:14.760 I think she was miscast in Fatal Beauty. I made 2271 02:05:14.800 --> 02:05:19.600 the mistake of being convinced by Laddie Ellen ladd Junior 2272 02:05:20.520 --> 02:05:23.640 to use her to replace Believe it or not, Share 2273 02:05:24.760 --> 02:05:28.600 Fatal Beauty had started out to be of the genre 2274 02:05:28.720 --> 02:05:32.640 that they then called guns and garter belts, and it 2275 02:05:32.800 --> 02:05:35.960 was meant to have a serious to have share player, 2276 02:05:35.960 --> 02:05:40.159 a serious badass, you know, along with being very sexy, 2277 02:05:41.079 --> 02:05:43.279 and then you know, and then having some kind of 2278 02:05:43.319 --> 02:05:48.600 a relationship with Sam Elliott and Shaer bailed a lot 2279 02:05:48.720 --> 02:05:54.560 smarter than me. The arguably and Cher went and did moonlighting. 2280 02:05:55.199 --> 02:05:59.520 So I started to back out and I had a 2281 02:05:59.600 --> 02:06:04.119 house to deal with. MGM. Lottie just really twisted my 2282 02:06:04.359 --> 02:06:08.479 arm and kept insisting that she would make it funny 2283 02:06:08.880 --> 02:06:12.960 Whoopy and you know, and I kept saying, but it's 2284 02:06:13.199 --> 02:06:19.439 not a funny script. It's it's a shoot him up 2285 02:06:19.720 --> 02:06:22.680 with a female lead and a little bit of sex 2286 02:06:22.800 --> 02:06:24.600 throw And then I mean, but there's no there's no 2287 02:06:24.760 --> 02:06:29.279 funny lines in here. The conception is not funny. Anyway, 2288 02:06:29.439 --> 02:06:32.359 Lottie said she'd do it, and I don't know why, 2289 02:06:32.600 --> 02:06:38.079 but I agreed. I thought I Whoopy was a terrific talent. 2290 02:06:38.840 --> 02:06:41.520 And you know, there there were there were a few 2291 02:06:41.640 --> 02:06:44.760 bumps along the way. Once she bailed because she she 2292 02:06:44.880 --> 02:06:47.399 went to a prize fight in Vegas during the night 2293 02:06:47.520 --> 02:06:51.279 shoot and left me hanging. She wasn't a professional yet 2294 02:06:51.520 --> 02:06:53.880 in the sense of, you know, being a trained actor. 2295 02:06:54.439 --> 02:07:00.439 She was a personality, and she wasn't funny on her 2296 02:07:00.720 --> 02:07:03.119 on her own. She wasn't funny in the sense that 2297 02:07:04.399 --> 02:07:06.520 she was verbally going to come up with her own 2298 02:07:06.600 --> 02:07:10.000 funny lines. You know, I think that if I'd had 2299 02:07:10.039 --> 02:07:13.319 other actors with her, maybe I could have tried for 2300 02:07:13.479 --> 02:07:14.479 some improvisation. 2301 02:07:14.720 --> 02:07:15.399 But it was hard. 2302 02:07:15.520 --> 02:07:20.560 What she was great at was mimicking people, especially you 2303 02:07:20.640 --> 02:07:24.359 know people you knew, politicians and stars. I mean, it was, 2304 02:07:24.439 --> 02:07:26.119 it was, it was she could grab a piece of 2305 02:07:26.199 --> 02:07:28.720 it and you didn't catch a little bit of them. 2306 02:07:29.399 --> 02:07:32.159 So she was terrific with that. But you know, we 2307 02:07:32.319 --> 02:07:35.640 never got into politics. I never thought about politics, you know. 2308 02:07:35.800 --> 02:07:39.720 And then you know, in some ways she's smarter than 2309 02:07:39.800 --> 02:07:44.000 all of us because she took you know, she jumped 2310 02:07:44.039 --> 02:07:47.439 off She was brilliant a ghost, and she jumped off 2311 02:07:47.479 --> 02:07:51.319 of that into into being a public personality and a 2312 02:07:51.439 --> 02:07:55.000 talk show and it has become something totally different and 2313 02:07:55.279 --> 02:08:01.079 Fatal Beauty because it doesn't fit the political stream of 2314 02:08:01.159 --> 02:08:03.119 the how do you say the temper of the day. 2315 02:08:04.000 --> 02:08:07.560 Back then, they didn't they didn't want to hard a 2316 02:08:08.439 --> 02:08:14.800 hardcore black killer cop female. They wanted you know, they 2317 02:08:14.880 --> 02:08:18.439 wanted the color purple. But anyway, so it got, it got. 2318 02:08:18.560 --> 02:08:21.840 It got bad reviews, and it didn't do well. But 2319 02:08:22.039 --> 02:08:26.119 it played like crazy when we when we previewed it, 2320 02:08:26.800 --> 02:08:29.399 it blew out, it blew out the numbers on all 2321 02:08:29.520 --> 02:08:33.680 black audiences, and it did very well with white audiences. Male. 2322 02:08:34.640 --> 02:08:37.880 Because who she is, I think in Fatal Beauty doesn't 2323 02:08:38.680 --> 02:08:43.399 it was what the atmosphere of the time throughout the country. 2324 02:08:43.520 --> 02:08:47.760 Political media, major media. They didn't want to see Whoopee 2325 02:08:47.800 --> 02:08:51.000 the way she was in Fatal Beauty. They wanted to 2326 02:08:51.079 --> 02:08:54.159 see her in a way which I guess promoted a 2327 02:08:55.239 --> 02:08:58.640 racial healing. I don't know, so it it sort of 2328 02:08:58.760 --> 02:09:03.680 became forgotten Fatal Beauty, and I happened to think it's 2329 02:09:03.680 --> 02:09:06.880 an extremely well made movie, and I think she did 2330 02:09:06.920 --> 02:09:09.600 a terrific job, and Sam did a great job, and 2331 02:09:09.760 --> 02:09:12.760 you know, I have only good things to say about people. 2332 02:09:12.800 --> 02:09:16.760 Except the schedule was deadly because oh it went for 2333 02:09:16.880 --> 02:09:19.560 day to night and there was damn there was damn 2334 02:09:19.640 --> 02:09:22.239 little day. So I mean it was you know, It's 2335 02:09:22.359 --> 02:09:24.359 just it was, you know, a week after week of 2336 02:09:24.439 --> 02:09:27.640 long nighters. God damn near killed me. I ended up 2337 02:09:27.680 --> 02:09:31.319 walking away from him with walking pneumonia. The film basically 2338 02:09:31.399 --> 02:09:34.399 has disappear from my over where I was. I was 2339 02:09:34.600 --> 02:09:39.479 very hot off of Fright Night, so you know, and 2340 02:09:39.760 --> 02:09:43.039 you know, and I was already established as a writer 2341 02:09:43.800 --> 02:09:47.960 in Hollywood, and I went from that into a little 2342 02:09:48.039 --> 02:09:52.439 film called Child's Play. I was firing on all four cylinders, 2343 02:09:52.479 --> 02:09:55.760 but I needed I needed the material there, you know, 2344 02:09:55.840 --> 02:09:58.279 and I got it because I wrote Child's Play. 2345 02:09:59.239 --> 02:10:01.279 Was this your first time working with Brad Dwarf? 2346 02:10:02.399 --> 02:10:05.880 Yes, that's why I hired Brad as Charles Lee Ray 2347 02:10:05.960 --> 02:10:10.479 and why I've created a legacy with Brad, who make 2348 02:10:10.560 --> 02:10:13.359 more want than all the rest of us doing voiceovers 2349 02:10:13.359 --> 02:10:17.319 as Chucky. Yeah right? God who knew? Now Brad's an 2350 02:10:17.319 --> 02:10:18.359 Academy Award would he have? 2351 02:10:18.439 --> 02:10:18.760 Actor? 2352 02:10:19.239 --> 02:10:22.600 And I saw that in uh in Fatal Beauty, And 2353 02:10:22.800 --> 02:10:26.359 I had him in my mind when I wrote Charles 2354 02:10:26.439 --> 02:10:29.640 Lee Ray, which is who's only in the opening scene, Brad, 2355 02:10:30.319 --> 02:10:33.000 But it also informed what I did with the character 2356 02:10:33.079 --> 02:10:36.680 of Chucky because I knew I had Brad Brad's voice, 2357 02:10:37.079 --> 02:10:40.039 but that l came off of Fatal Beauty. So there's 2358 02:10:40.079 --> 02:10:42.800 an argument for you. If I hadn't, if I hadn't 2359 02:10:42.840 --> 02:10:46.880 done Fatal Beauty, I wouldn't have worked with Brad Durffe, 2360 02:10:46.880 --> 02:10:49.199 And I wouldn't. I wouldn't have I wouldn't have used 2361 02:10:49.279 --> 02:10:51.479 him in Child's Play. So there you go. 2362 02:10:52.439 --> 02:10:55.279 Did I ever tell you the story about going to 2363 02:10:55.359 --> 02:10:58.960 Las Vegas and going to Planet Hollywood and staying there 2364 02:10:59.800 --> 02:11:03.119 and we got put each room has a theme to it, 2365 02:11:03.359 --> 02:11:05.560 and we got put into the Chucky room. 2366 02:11:06.079 --> 02:11:06.479 Uh, huh. 2367 02:11:06.800 --> 02:11:10.000 Tell me they have a table with a good guy 2368 02:11:10.199 --> 02:11:14.520 doll inside of it. They've got the outfit, like the 2369 02:11:15.239 --> 02:11:18.640 overalls and stuff in a hanging on the wall like 2370 02:11:18.720 --> 02:11:22.279 behind glass. They're huge pictures. There was a huge picture 2371 02:11:22.399 --> 02:11:27.079 of Brad Dworf above the tub. And I'll tell you, 2372 02:11:27.680 --> 02:11:30.159 my wife does not like horror films. She was so 2373 02:11:30.399 --> 02:11:32.880 tempted to go down and just complain and get us 2374 02:11:32.960 --> 02:11:33.279 mood too. 2375 02:11:33.319 --> 02:11:33.479 And I. 2376 02:11:36.079 --> 02:11:37.079 That's so funny. 2377 02:11:37.600 --> 02:11:42.159 Well, I mean, it's amazing. The Chucky has to be 2378 02:11:42.319 --> 02:11:46.039 one of the most successful merchandising campaigns of all time. 2379 02:11:46.800 --> 02:11:49.239 And that's a tip of that. The David Kirshner or 2380 02:11:49.359 --> 02:11:52.600 was the producer. He made the film because he saw 2381 02:11:52.760 --> 02:11:57.159 that potential. And of course I was totally didn't understand 2382 02:11:57.279 --> 02:11:59.880 that at all. I was doing a throw I was. 2383 02:12:00.079 --> 02:12:03.760 I was doing the prototypical killer doll film. I don't 2384 02:12:03.760 --> 02:12:06.359 know if I've ever been a killer doll film before, 2385 02:12:07.439 --> 02:12:11.600 before Child's Play. I mean I knew. I took it 2386 02:12:11.680 --> 02:12:15.439 off the one of the episodes that Dan Curtis did 2387 02:12:15.520 --> 02:12:18.119 for Trilogy of Terror, which the TV movie in nineteen 2388 02:12:18.239 --> 02:12:18.800 sixty eight. 2389 02:12:19.279 --> 02:12:22.399 Yeah, the Zuni fetished all that little bit that knife. 2390 02:12:22.199 --> 02:12:24.399 Yeah, but it was the way he shot it. He 2391 02:12:24.520 --> 02:12:30.159 shot that on a skateboard, put a sixty milk camera 2392 02:12:30.239 --> 02:12:31.960 on it to shoot the dolls point of view, and 2393 02:12:32.000 --> 02:12:35.399 that's what made it work. And I had seen a 2394 02:12:35.439 --> 02:12:38.079 lot of things came together. I had seen The Shining 2395 02:12:39.000 --> 02:12:43.560 and Kubrick's use of setikam in that, and they invented 2396 02:12:43.640 --> 02:12:46.359 what they call a low boy off the steady cam 2397 02:12:46.439 --> 02:12:49.119 which got you down on the floor. And I'll think 2398 02:12:49.199 --> 02:12:52.359 that I hadn't seen it before until until Shining, which 2399 02:12:52.359 --> 02:12:55.479 I got nineteen seventy nine. But so I wrote that 2400 02:12:55.720 --> 02:12:59.920 script and designed all of that with the doll because 2401 02:13:00.079 --> 02:13:03.000 of what I'd seen with Dan Curtis and the Prey 2402 02:13:03.079 --> 02:13:05.760 and the zuomidaland then what I saw on the Shining, 2403 02:13:06.520 --> 02:13:09.720 And if I got it worked visually, it worked, you know. 2404 02:13:09.840 --> 02:13:13.920 I mean that Dolphon turned into something terrifying. That's what 2405 02:13:14.079 --> 02:13:17.159 I was doing. David Kirschner was looking for ways to 2406 02:13:17.319 --> 02:13:22.199 merchandise everything Chuck ate, and you know, I mean in 2407 02:13:22.279 --> 02:13:24.920 the combination of a movie the scared living hell out 2408 02:13:24.960 --> 02:13:29.279 of you with a merchandising campaign that reached into every 2409 02:13:29.960 --> 02:13:35.039 imaginable place you know, age And I mean, so Chuck 2410 02:13:35.199 --> 02:13:38.439 is going to bury us all. Chuck is gonna be 2411 02:13:38.560 --> 02:13:42.840 going long after we're both gone. You know. It's just 2412 02:13:42.960 --> 02:13:45.319 so just amazing. And no I did not see it. 2413 02:13:46.000 --> 02:13:49.199 I did beyond what I did, beyond the first movie 2414 02:13:49.239 --> 02:13:50.920 to stand alone, you know. 2415 02:13:51.760 --> 02:13:54.319 Going back to the fatal beauty in the cast, I mean, 2416 02:13:54.399 --> 02:13:57.560 the cast is just amazing to have, like you know, 2417 02:13:57.720 --> 02:14:01.039 John p. Ryan or Harris Eulen or Jennifer Warren. I mean, 2418 02:14:01.119 --> 02:14:03.840 these are all just people that knock it out of 2419 02:14:03.840 --> 02:14:05.039 the park every single time. 2420 02:14:05.800 --> 02:14:08.800 Terrific cast. I think it's an excellent movie in Dean 2421 02:14:08.880 --> 02:14:12.439 Reisner thought it was thought it was terrific, you know, 2422 02:14:12.640 --> 02:14:14.800 and you know, and he surely did all the touch up. 2423 02:14:14.880 --> 02:14:17.479 And the gal I don't know, the gal who rode 2424 02:14:17.520 --> 02:14:21.600 over the original draft that it didn't Hillary Henkin, I think, yes, 2425 02:14:21.680 --> 02:14:25.119 oh yeah, I don't know. But Dean I got to know. 2426 02:14:26.119 --> 02:14:30.159 Yeah, I've read one of her and Dean Reisner's drafts, 2427 02:14:30.199 --> 02:14:33.399 and then one that Millius was taking a swag at 2428 02:14:33.439 --> 02:14:33.800 as well. 2429 02:14:34.199 --> 02:14:37.720 Well. Millius was on it before I was, and I 2430 02:14:37.840 --> 02:14:42.640 took over his office there it was MGM then now 2431 02:14:42.840 --> 02:14:47.840 Sony and in his office police piece supply wood screwed 2432 02:14:47.920 --> 02:14:50.560 to the to the back of the door, and it 2433 02:14:50.760 --> 02:14:54.399 was marked up with all these with all these knife marks. 2434 02:14:54.840 --> 02:14:57.239 And what he'd done is he said it is that 2435 02:14:57.840 --> 02:15:00.960 I was told. He said it his death and take 2436 02:15:01.039 --> 02:15:03.680 it a knife, throw her right head of the door. 2437 02:15:04.239 --> 02:15:06.399 Ain't bety been able to get it? So this so 2438 02:15:06.560 --> 02:15:08.239 it's sinking in the back of the door to the 2439 02:15:08.319 --> 02:15:11.760 plywood thinging for the put up. So I don't think 2440 02:15:11.800 --> 02:15:14.199 he was thinking about a romantic comedy when he was 2441 02:15:14.279 --> 02:15:17.000 doing Fatal Beauty, but he was on it before I was. Yeah, 2442 02:15:17.520 --> 02:15:19.920 And then they toned it down. They toned it down 2443 02:15:20.000 --> 02:15:22.760 for me, but then they took Whoopy and put her 2444 02:15:22.800 --> 02:15:26.720 into that, and I don't I don't think I was 2445 02:15:26.760 --> 02:15:29.760 as sophisticated then as I like to think I am now. 2446 02:15:30.760 --> 02:15:34.199 Maybe if it had Norman Tanamar or comedy director. But 2447 02:15:34.319 --> 02:15:36.760 I don't see how it. I never saw any way 2448 02:15:36.800 --> 02:15:40.039 to turn that. There was there was no funny bone 2449 02:15:40.119 --> 02:15:44.199 at its core was with Fatal Beauty. And so what 2450 02:15:44.359 --> 02:15:46.560 you have is yet you should you should have a 2451 02:15:47.199 --> 02:15:50.520 bit of Millius's vision, and you know, and the polishing 2452 02:15:50.600 --> 02:15:54.359 by Dean rised her and then the personality the Whoopy 2453 02:15:54.439 --> 02:15:57.319 paid put into it. But she played it, you know 2454 02:15:57.479 --> 02:15:59.960 she did, and I thought she sold the violence pretty well. 2455 02:16:00.560 --> 02:16:04.039 And I hope more people discover the film. But of 2456 02:16:04.159 --> 02:16:08.760 all my films, it's it's it's probably the along with 2457 02:16:08.840 --> 02:16:11.159 the TEMP, is the least mentioned. So there you go. 2458 02:16:12.119 --> 02:16:14.079 The ending got screwed up. I don't want to get 2459 02:16:14.119 --> 02:16:16.399 into it. But that was Bob who was that? That 2460 02:16:16.680 --> 02:16:22.479 was Stanley Jaffey. They'd had he'd had success changing the 2461 02:16:22.680 --> 02:16:26.199 ending on Fatal Attraction, was it? And then so we 2462 02:16:26.359 --> 02:16:29.840 went crazy changing changed the end, not not the films, 2463 02:16:29.840 --> 02:16:32.799 but the ending, and then changed the ending on John 2464 02:16:32.879 --> 02:16:36.639 millis Is World War two film Navy, I think. And 2465 02:16:36.799 --> 02:16:39.959 then then that I got I got hit on the TEMP. 2466 02:16:40.680 --> 02:16:44.280 And then he also went after Sliver, so he got 2467 02:16:44.360 --> 02:16:47.280 four or five films in a row. The endings got 2468 02:16:47.440 --> 02:16:50.200 mauled by by Stanley Jeffy. I don't know if anything 2469 02:16:50.239 --> 02:16:53.239 were successful beyond Fatal Attraction, but I don't know in 2470 02:16:53.360 --> 02:16:56.319 terms of changing the ending adding that much more. But 2471 02:16:56.440 --> 02:16:58.799 what he did is he softened it in uh in 2472 02:16:58.959 --> 02:17:01.799 the TEMP. Well, thank you so much, this is great 2473 02:17:01.879 --> 02:17:04.719 talking with you, we too, thank you very much. 2474 02:17:17.920 --> 02:17:19.680 All Right, we are back and we were talking about 2475 02:17:19.760 --> 02:17:24.040 Fatal Beauty and it is next week, which will play 2476 02:17:24.079 --> 02:17:26.360 the preview in a little bit. Next week is going 2477 02:17:26.399 --> 02:17:30.280 to be interesting because we've talked about these films three 2478 02:17:30.399 --> 02:17:33.440 in a row with Jump and Jack, Flash, Burglar and 2479 02:17:33.600 --> 02:17:37.319 Fatal Beauty, and these for me have always been and 2480 02:17:37.399 --> 02:17:39.600 you were talking to earlier, Kevin Hike mash all of 2481 02:17:39.639 --> 02:17:42.559 these things up in your head. There's a real flow 2482 02:17:42.680 --> 02:17:47.360 to these films. But after this we get the Telephone, 2483 02:17:47.600 --> 02:17:50.760 which is I want to say, based on a play, 2484 02:17:51.040 --> 02:17:53.719 and it feels completely different. This is the last time 2485 02:17:53.760 --> 02:17:58.159 we really get Whoop as a action hero for I 2486 02:17:58.239 --> 02:18:01.799 think forever. You could make an argument that her character 2487 02:18:01.920 --> 02:18:04.559 from Sister Act is a little bit of an action hero. 2488 02:18:04.719 --> 02:18:07.719 There's a little bit of crossover with some of the 2489 02:18:07.840 --> 02:18:10.879 stuff as far as her with her early character and 2490 02:18:10.959 --> 02:18:12.120 then her nun character. 2491 02:18:12.360 --> 02:18:13.760 But this is it. 2492 02:18:13.920 --> 02:18:16.559 This was quite a little run for her with these 2493 02:18:16.639 --> 02:18:19.520 three films, and I wish that she had stuck with 2494 02:18:19.760 --> 02:18:22.360 being an action hero. I think she does a great 2495 02:18:22.440 --> 02:18:22.920 job of it. 2496 02:18:23.600 --> 02:18:26.319 Although she runs very funny. Whenever I see a running 2497 02:18:26.440 --> 02:18:28.079 she waggles. 2498 02:18:28.959 --> 02:18:32.959 I never noticed that before. Who runs funnier? Her Tom Cruise, Oh, 2499 02:18:33.040 --> 02:18:34.040 Tom Cruise is a boss. 2500 02:18:34.159 --> 02:18:38.559 He runs like a cheetah. Keep running, Tom Cruise. I 2501 02:18:38.719 --> 02:18:41.360 just watched him yesterday in a few Good Men because 2502 02:18:41.399 --> 02:18:46.000 we're doing courtroom dramas. I like stunned that he went 2503 02:18:46.040 --> 02:18:48.559 through the eighties, which was an incredible run for him, 2504 02:18:49.200 --> 02:18:52.840 winning an Oscar. He is a fucking phenomenal actor, like 2505 02:18:53.600 --> 02:18:56.520 way better than his persona would have you believe, or 2506 02:18:56.680 --> 02:19:00.360 his recent a decade a plus of outpush. But yeah, 2507 02:19:00.399 --> 02:19:02.479 he was a great actor in the eighties, like back 2508 02:19:02.559 --> 02:19:07.479 to back, like such charismatic, brilliant performances. But WHOOPI ones like, 2509 02:19:08.319 --> 02:19:09.159 it's funny. 2510 02:19:09.760 --> 02:19:13.600 When you talk about what Obviously there's this stand up era, 2511 02:19:14.639 --> 02:19:17.879 there's her TV work, the Star Trek stuff that she 2512 02:19:18.000 --> 02:19:21.319 did that endeared her to so many, and then you've 2513 02:19:21.399 --> 02:19:24.920 got things like the Color Purple and Ghosts, which are 2514 02:19:25.520 --> 02:19:33.319 her high the high level Academy stuff, the Sister Act movies, 2515 02:19:33.600 --> 02:19:36.840 people like those are good crowd pleasers. So she has 2516 02:19:36.920 --> 02:19:39.600 this range. That's the thing. I really like, I have 2517 02:19:39.639 --> 02:19:41.680 a lot more respect. When I sat down I thought 2518 02:19:41.680 --> 02:19:44.159 about it, I was like, here's someone who's been around. 2519 02:19:44.639 --> 02:19:47.399 I don't know how much it crossed over into Ireland 2520 02:19:47.440 --> 02:19:50.159 and the UK with her, but beyond the film piece, 2521 02:19:50.239 --> 02:19:53.360 but just been in the culture for like over forty 2522 02:19:53.479 --> 02:19:57.040 years when you think about it, and there always just 2523 02:19:57.079 --> 02:19:59.920 seem to be something on with her. And then still 2524 02:20:00.719 --> 02:20:03.360 she's got the view like the talk show panel stuff. 2525 02:20:04.200 --> 02:20:06.319 So I've got a lot of respect for her and 2526 02:20:06.600 --> 02:20:10.760 her opinions on things, and her willingness to be out 2527 02:20:10.840 --> 02:20:14.959 there and to take chances too. I think that's a 2528 02:20:15.000 --> 02:20:15.360 great thing. 2529 02:20:16.079 --> 02:20:17.799 I also want to just sing the prices of her 2530 02:20:17.799 --> 02:20:21.360 book again, because I was very surprised at how touching 2531 02:20:21.399 --> 02:20:24.360 it was. She's a great storyteller as well. She has 2532 02:20:24.440 --> 02:20:27.399 this book that's about her mother and her brother when 2533 02:20:27.440 --> 02:20:29.879 she both lost them and how much it destabilized her 2534 02:20:29.920 --> 02:20:33.319 and that the people that knew her most intimately and 2535 02:20:33.399 --> 02:20:36.479 could confirm all of her recollections were gone, and her 2536 02:20:36.559 --> 02:20:41.680 trying to basically navigate life without them. And she talks 2537 02:20:41.680 --> 02:20:43.559 about growing up in the projects with a single mother, 2538 02:20:44.520 --> 02:20:48.239 and it's a really fantastic book. It's so touching. But 2539 02:20:48.559 --> 02:20:50.799 she's just a great storyteller as well. Do you forget 2540 02:20:50.840 --> 02:20:53.520 that she wrote all of her plays and her one 2541 02:20:53.559 --> 02:20:56.520 woman shows and stuff, So she's a great writer as well. 2542 02:20:57.319 --> 02:21:01.600 I wish that she had an even better run. She's 2543 02:21:01.719 --> 02:21:04.000 great in some of the things that she did after this, 2544 02:21:04.239 --> 02:21:08.159 like Clara's hard or there's a couple of weird missteps 2545 02:21:08.200 --> 02:21:13.159 with Homer and Eddie. I know people love soap dish. 2546 02:21:13.280 --> 02:21:15.200 I actually want to go back and rewatch that. 2547 02:21:16.280 --> 02:21:18.840 I loved Made in America. I thought that was funny. 2548 02:21:19.559 --> 02:21:20.799 I have not seen that yet. 2549 02:21:21.639 --> 02:21:23.520 I was a kid in that. I remember Jennifer Tilly 2550 02:21:23.559 --> 02:21:26.639 as well, and where she was a hyperactive like bimbo 2551 02:21:27.159 --> 02:21:31.079 and she can't whel naked across the bedroom in front 2552 02:21:31.120 --> 02:21:33.040 of Ted Danson where he couldn't keep up with her. 2553 02:21:33.760 --> 02:21:35.000 That's a selling point right there. 2554 02:21:35.120 --> 02:21:38.360 Okay, it's a funny film, and will Smith that as well. 2555 02:21:38.559 --> 02:21:42.200 It was good crack. But yet to your point, Rob, 2556 02:21:42.760 --> 02:21:45.520 she wasn't as well known for all of her ancillary stuff. 2557 02:21:45.559 --> 02:21:47.920 It was the movies, and only some of the movies, 2558 02:21:48.040 --> 02:21:51.360 like these last three didn't really cross over. They weren't 2559 02:21:52.159 --> 02:21:55.600 theatrically released over here. So there were like films that 2560 02:21:55.639 --> 02:21:57.520 you might catch if they were on TV or in 2561 02:21:57.600 --> 02:21:59.959 the video shop, but they didn't have any big public 2562 02:22:00.159 --> 02:22:02.479 the push behind them. There was nobody marketing them. They 2563 02:22:02.600 --> 02:22:05.280 just appeared one day and you eat a sort of 2564 02:22:05.319 --> 02:22:05.760 but you didn't. 2565 02:22:06.600 --> 02:22:08.319 The only thing I can really think of when it 2566 02:22:08.360 --> 02:22:10.200 comes to this, and we brought it up already, is 2567 02:22:10.319 --> 02:22:13.319 that it does live within this continuum, and someone would 2568 02:22:13.680 --> 02:22:16.760 I'm sure there's a book some film researchers looked at 2569 02:22:16.799 --> 02:22:22.799 it of cup procedurals and certain cliche elements or blending 2570 02:22:22.879 --> 02:22:25.680 of elements that they just kept recycling these from the 2571 02:22:25.760 --> 02:22:29.040 early seventies through. You still have them today to a 2572 02:22:29.120 --> 02:22:32.319 certain extent. It seems like they've moved more onto TV 2573 02:22:32.479 --> 02:22:35.879 though as you get into the nineties. But there just 2574 02:22:35.920 --> 02:22:39.040 seemed to be a whole maybe like twenty years where 2575 02:22:40.120 --> 02:22:42.440 these kind of films you get several of them a year, 2576 02:22:43.440 --> 02:22:46.879 kind of standard fair. You know, usually every action star 2577 02:22:47.040 --> 02:22:49.760 had at least one of them. There was, you know, 2578 02:22:49.879 --> 02:22:52.120 like we talked about with her Eddie Murphy, it was 2579 02:22:52.239 --> 02:22:55.360 like it was a way to try and get comedians 2580 02:22:56.319 --> 02:22:59.799 up to the next echelon or something. I just find 2581 02:22:59.840 --> 02:23:03.159 them an interesting document of an era, you know, really 2582 02:23:03.280 --> 02:23:08.280 beyond they're just pure entertainment value, but meaning what do 2583 02:23:08.360 --> 02:23:10.959 they represent in terms of the time. And one of 2584 02:23:11.000 --> 02:23:12.639 the things that I wrote in my notes for this 2585 02:23:12.760 --> 02:23:16.600 movie was shoot Out at the Mall totally Eighties. 2586 02:23:17.399 --> 02:23:21.920 Yeah, immediately I was thinking of Commando or gosh, even 2587 02:23:22.000 --> 02:23:25.319 Police Story three. There's so much broken glass in this, 2588 02:23:25.600 --> 02:23:28.239 or not Police Story three, Police Story the original, there's 2589 02:23:28.239 --> 02:23:31.319 so much broken glass in this film. I was like, Wow, 2590 02:23:31.559 --> 02:23:34.920 this is They're really going for it. They really are 2591 02:23:35.000 --> 02:23:37.520 going to blow the shit out of this mall. And yeah, 2592 02:23:37.559 --> 02:23:38.959 that is such an eighties thing. 2593 02:23:39.920 --> 02:23:42.559 Blues borders with the cop cat chase, true to mail, 2594 02:23:43.399 --> 02:23:43.719 it was. 2595 02:23:43.760 --> 02:23:46.680 The era of the malls, at least in America. 2596 02:23:47.959 --> 02:23:51.239 Whenever I hear Rossoli, of course, I think of Rossoli 2597 02:23:51.319 --> 02:23:54.319 and Iles, the TV show that was from the twenty 2598 02:23:54.479 --> 02:23:57.799 tens where Andrew Harmon was Jane Rossoli. I was hoping 2599 02:23:57.879 --> 02:24:01.600 it might have been a sequel where Rita comes back, 2600 02:24:01.719 --> 02:24:05.120 but no, she's Jane Rizzoli. And then there's Sasha Alexander 2601 02:24:05.239 --> 02:24:08.440 is Mora Isles. And that's the the id and the 2602 02:24:08.520 --> 02:24:11.680 super ego type of thing, which I guess plays also 2603 02:24:11.799 --> 02:24:15.079 into the whole thing of the Kroll versus the Brad 2604 02:24:15.159 --> 02:24:19.040 Duraff character, where it's like Kroll is so super cool 2605 02:24:19.280 --> 02:24:22.399 and super calm and just very matter of fact with 2606 02:24:22.799 --> 02:24:27.760 Whoopee as Resoli, and then Dorf is just completely whacked 2607 02:24:27.799 --> 02:24:31.360 out through the whole thing that Milius draft. Again going 2608 02:24:31.440 --> 02:24:36.000 back to that, the three guys in that one they 2609 02:24:36.239 --> 02:24:39.680 wear what was it like, a Hitler mask, a wolf mask, 2610 02:24:39.799 --> 02:24:44.399 and a porky pig mask. Through the opening heist that happens, 2611 02:24:45.040 --> 02:24:48.239 and it's fucking crazy, blood, blood, wolf and step. 2612 02:24:49.239 --> 02:24:52.239 It begins with her beating up a couple of nuns. 2613 02:24:52.719 --> 02:24:56.040 Because she noticed their shoes and they're like, She's like, oh, 2614 02:24:56.079 --> 02:24:58.079 those are way too good a shoes for nuns to 2615 02:24:58.159 --> 02:24:58.520 be wearing. 2616 02:24:59.120 --> 02:25:03.040 They're wearing Adie, which apparently were the shoes of drug dealers. 2617 02:25:03.479 --> 02:25:06.639 I could not imagine Share in this film though, even 2618 02:25:06.799 --> 02:25:09.200 though she's a great actress and I was imagining her 2619 02:25:09.319 --> 02:25:11.799 in the Ear of Suspect and things like that, but 2620 02:25:12.079 --> 02:25:14.719 it just it wouldn't work for me. It wouldn't have 2621 02:25:14.760 --> 02:25:15.559 the same bounce to. 2622 02:25:15.600 --> 02:25:19.399 It Share was doing. Okay, I think she took Moonstruck instead, 2623 02:25:19.920 --> 02:25:22.440 So good for her. Yeah, I don't know if you 2624 02:25:22.520 --> 02:25:26.559 guys speaking of would be Goldberg vehicles, but the one 2625 02:25:26.639 --> 02:25:29.200 that she made in ninety five called Boys in the Side, 2626 02:25:29.319 --> 02:25:30.319 Did you guys ever see that? 2627 02:25:31.239 --> 02:25:33.079 I have seen it. I thought that was cute. She 2628 02:25:33.200 --> 02:25:33.719 sings in that. 2629 02:25:34.120 --> 02:25:36.000 Yeah, I really like that. I thought it was a 2630 02:25:36.479 --> 02:25:39.840 great movie. I haven't seen it since it's probably ninety six, 2631 02:25:40.000 --> 02:25:41.719 but I remember really liking that. 2632 02:25:42.479 --> 02:25:44.680 And it's rare for a road trip movie that isn't 2633 02:25:44.719 --> 02:25:46.680 film and Louise. That's more of a chase movie, but 2634 02:25:46.760 --> 02:25:50.120 a road trip movie that has three female leads. It's 2635 02:25:50.239 --> 02:25:52.959 riding the line between something like Beaches and something like 2636 02:25:53.840 --> 02:25:56.159 the majority of other Yeah, but it's that kind of 2637 02:25:56.239 --> 02:25:58.319 thing where one of the characters ends up dying. And 2638 02:25:59.200 --> 02:26:02.079 but yes, sweet story. We watched a load of world 2639 02:26:02.159 --> 02:26:04.799 movies recently and that was one of the rare outliers 2640 02:26:04.799 --> 02:26:05.799 because I had women in it. 2641 02:26:06.760 --> 02:26:10.559 I almost for this series. I almost said that we 2642 02:26:10.639 --> 02:26:12.680 should do the Associate from ninety six. 2643 02:26:13.520 --> 02:26:15.000 How do you succeed in business? 2644 02:26:15.200 --> 02:26:16.600 Try showing some cleavage. 2645 02:26:17.360 --> 02:26:18.479 Joined the Boys Club? 2646 02:26:18.680 --> 02:26:20.319 Men like doing business with men. 2647 02:26:20.239 --> 02:26:21.280 By becoming a man. 2648 02:26:21.479 --> 02:26:24.280 I need a new look, Old White and Man. 2649 02:26:24.399 --> 02:26:28.440 On October nineteen, my name is Robert County, don't miss 2650 02:26:28.440 --> 02:26:29.040 a sleek. 2651 02:26:28.879 --> 02:26:29.719 Review of The Boy. 2652 02:26:29.719 --> 02:26:33.879 Critics are calling an outrageously funny comedy man as Whoopy 2653 02:26:33.959 --> 02:26:35.479 Goldberg makes a killing. 2654 02:26:35.280 --> 02:26:35.879 In the market. 2655 02:26:36.040 --> 02:26:40.200 I can't afford to have a term The Associated. 2656 02:26:39.680 --> 02:26:43.200 Britty PG thir D special sneak review this Saturday. 2657 02:26:43.920 --> 02:26:47.239 I really like that movie. I especially like the Diane 2658 02:26:47.280 --> 02:26:50.399 Waste character in there. But Whoopee is really good in 2659 02:26:50.520 --> 02:26:53.040 that and we keep talking about how she put on 2660 02:26:53.120 --> 02:26:58.360 these characters to go in drag and turn white in 2661 02:26:58.479 --> 02:27:02.799 that movie. Normall, Oh, it's a great one. But for 2662 02:27:03.360 --> 02:27:06.520 the reason why I didn't choose it was because it's 2663 02:27:06.559 --> 02:27:11.079 a remake. And it's actually like the fifth remake or 2664 02:27:11.200 --> 02:27:14.760 fifth adaptation of a story from I want to say, 2665 02:27:14.840 --> 02:27:19.360 like the nineteen thirties, written by I want to say, 2666 02:27:19.360 --> 02:27:23.639 an Italian author, and they made so many different versions. 2667 02:27:23.680 --> 02:27:28.719 It's basically somebody anybody who sets up a fake person. 2668 02:27:29.280 --> 02:27:31.760 It's very Captain Tuttle, right. It's like I set up 2669 02:27:31.799 --> 02:27:35.200 this fake person and they're the one who's really in charge, 2670 02:27:35.200 --> 02:27:39.040 and I'm just following orders. And but I'm the smart person, 2671 02:27:39.120 --> 02:27:42.120 and I'm just giving the fake person all the good ideas, 2672 02:27:42.159 --> 02:27:44.479 and the good ideas come from them, and they're somebody 2673 02:27:44.520 --> 02:27:48.639 of much higher status, or in Whoopee's case, it's an 2674 02:27:48.680 --> 02:27:51.440 old white guy. So she's, oh, mister so and so 2675 02:27:51.600 --> 02:27:54.040 is an available right now. But she's giving all of 2676 02:27:54.159 --> 02:27:58.600 this stuff and basically creating an empire with this fake person. 2677 02:27:58.760 --> 02:28:00.719 And of course at the end it's we have to 2678 02:28:00.799 --> 02:28:03.760 see this person that this is necessary that we do this. 2679 02:28:04.479 --> 02:28:07.079 And she's great. But like I said, Day and West, 2680 02:28:07.520 --> 02:28:10.159 throughout that movie you find out, oh, she's actually the 2681 02:28:10.200 --> 02:28:13.280 power behind the throne at this other company and she 2682 02:28:13.520 --> 02:28:16.120 comes over with and works with Whoope, and you're just like, oh, 2683 02:28:16.200 --> 02:28:20.239 she's These two women could take on the entire fucking world. 2684 02:28:20.399 --> 02:28:21.680 And I really like that. 2685 02:28:22.799 --> 02:28:25.040 I'm actually amazed that you didn't do this because, as 2686 02:28:25.120 --> 02:28:27.680 Kevin said, he loves Donald Trump, and I guess he's 2687 02:28:27.760 --> 02:28:27.959 in it. 2688 02:28:28.879 --> 02:28:29.120 Yeah. 2689 02:28:29.440 --> 02:28:31.600 Oh, I mean, I just love his character. I just 2690 02:28:31.680 --> 02:28:34.600 think he's he speaks to me such a decent person 2691 02:28:34.680 --> 02:28:37.719 and he has such great ideas. I really think him 2692 02:28:37.760 --> 02:28:39.280 and Musk are going to save the world. 2693 02:28:40.639 --> 02:28:41.280 Really, be careful. 2694 02:28:41.319 --> 02:28:42.360 People are gonna think you're. 2695 02:28:43.840 --> 02:28:44.319 You're gonna go. 2696 02:28:44.680 --> 02:28:47.479 Slash my wrists. But what do you say that, Mike? 2697 02:28:47.520 --> 02:28:52.360 I was thinking of American fiction where Jeffrey Wright creates 2698 02:28:52.440 --> 02:28:57.959 this fictional lower class ghetto author in order to appeal 2699 02:28:58.520 --> 02:29:01.040 appeal to like these medical lost white readers. 2700 02:29:01.600 --> 02:29:01.799 Yeah. 2701 02:29:01.799 --> 02:29:03.879 I have yet to find an English translation of that 2702 02:29:04.000 --> 02:29:06.120 original book, but I really want to and that I 2703 02:29:06.239 --> 02:29:10.360 have found a couple versions of this movie, the different 2704 02:29:10.399 --> 02:29:15.920 adaptations of it. But there was a seventies one I 2705 02:29:16.040 --> 02:29:16.799 want to say that. 2706 02:29:17.000 --> 02:29:19.040 Was just a bit like A Star Is Born. 2707 02:29:19.959 --> 02:29:22.319 Yeah, exactly, And I want to say that it was 2708 02:29:22.680 --> 02:29:25.159 your friend Rob. Jean Claud Carrier was one of the 2709 02:29:25.399 --> 02:29:26.760 authors of that seventies one. 2710 02:29:27.680 --> 02:29:30.040 I pulled it up and it says here it was 2711 02:29:30.239 --> 02:29:35.000 Renee Gainville The Associate seventy nine French film. Yeah, Jean 2712 02:29:35.040 --> 02:29:37.600 Claud Carrier did the adaptation on that. 2713 02:29:38.799 --> 02:29:41.399 But yeah, if you look at the author it goes 2714 02:29:41.479 --> 02:29:46.399 back even further, which is crazy. It's the Gennaro Prieto 2715 02:29:47.280 --> 02:29:51.760 book that goes back to the early part of the centuries. Yeah, twenties. Okay, 2716 02:29:51.840 --> 02:29:55.159 I thought it was thirties, but apparently I spoke with 2717 02:29:55.319 --> 02:29:58.920 somebody recently. Oh, I spoke with Nick Thiel, who wrote 2718 02:29:59.040 --> 02:30:02.280 the screenplay for the at the adaptation for the American stuff, 2719 02:30:02.760 --> 02:30:07.000 And apparently Donald Petrie, the director of the Associate, really 2720 02:30:07.239 --> 02:30:10.799 did not get along with Whoopee at all. So I'm like, 2721 02:30:11.200 --> 02:30:14.559 I probably won't be able to talk with him. But 2722 02:30:14.760 --> 02:30:18.520 THEO was very open and you'll hear that interview when 2723 02:30:18.559 --> 02:30:21.239 we talk about v I Warshowski much later in the 2724 02:30:21.319 --> 02:30:25.959 year in November. Is that noir is neo noir. We're 2725 02:30:25.959 --> 02:30:27.440 doing a lot of neo noirs this year. 2726 02:30:28.000 --> 02:30:31.319 We don't make distinctions metals metal. You want to get 2727 02:30:31.360 --> 02:30:35.120 into black metal or doom or sludge or speed metal. 2728 02:30:35.360 --> 02:30:35.920 It's all metal. 2729 02:30:36.000 --> 02:30:38.639 So it's not Cookie Monster singing. I really can't stand 2730 02:30:38.680 --> 02:30:50.360 that cookie monster voice. All right, We're going to take 2731 02:30:50.399 --> 02:30:52.360 another break and play a preview for next week's show 2732 02:30:52.520 --> 02:30:54.479 right after these brief messages. 2733 02:30:54.879 --> 02:30:58.719 Coming from New Line Home Video Academy Award winner Whoopi 2734 02:30:58.799 --> 02:31:03.079 Goldberg stars home video exclusive for the entire family. I'm 2735 02:31:03.200 --> 02:31:07.600 back Theodore Rex from the People that Brought You Monkey 2736 02:31:07.680 --> 02:31:11.280 Trouble and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Movies. 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So, Rob, what's 2770 02:32:58.959 --> 02:32:59.920 been going on with you, sir. 2771 02:33:00.680 --> 02:33:02.799 I'm just enjoying my time up in the high desert 2772 02:33:03.319 --> 02:33:06.120 and getting out into nature doing some hikes. Hope to 2773 02:33:06.200 --> 02:33:10.440 do some traveling in the coming months. And I'm probably 2774 02:33:10.559 --> 02:33:13.920 within i don't know, a couple of thousand words, a 2775 02:33:14.000 --> 02:33:16.959 couple of more pages on first draft of a novel 2776 02:33:17.000 --> 02:33:19.120 I've been working on for the last couple of months. 2777 02:33:19.200 --> 02:33:23.319 So I'm pretty happy about that. So not much beyond that. 2778 02:33:23.479 --> 02:33:25.799 Oh, not much. Just writing a book, that's all. 2779 02:33:26.639 --> 02:33:29.120 Yeah, with no plans to ever release it. I'm just 2780 02:33:29.159 --> 02:33:31.719 writing for the sake of writing. I have no contract. 2781 02:33:31.799 --> 02:33:32.959 I'm just doing it for myself. 2782 02:33:33.719 --> 02:33:36.120 Kevin, When you're not writing your pro Trump blog, what 2783 02:33:36.319 --> 02:33:37.159 else are you up to? 2784 02:33:37.959 --> 02:33:39.399 Well, I'm in the middle of a script right now 2785 02:33:39.479 --> 02:33:42.040 and I'm stuck overout fifty pages into it. So I'm 2786 02:33:42.079 --> 02:33:45.159 looking forward to watching Theodore Rex. No, I'm still I'm 2787 02:33:45.239 --> 02:33:47.479 over with my co host Will on the Best Bits 2788 02:33:47.520 --> 02:33:51.319 podcast where we just talk about different topics each episode, 2789 02:33:51.440 --> 02:33:53.280 and we have the Crack and so you're welcome to 2790 02:33:53.319 --> 02:33:54.959 come and check us out over there. It's a very 2791 02:33:55.040 --> 02:33:59.639 different kind of podcast where we're much more about having 2792 02:33:59.680 --> 02:34:03.360 the crack and poking fun at the business that we 2793 02:34:03.680 --> 02:34:04.559 unfortunately working. 2794 02:34:05.360 --> 02:34:07.520 So you're smoking crack over there, is that what you're saying. 2795 02:34:08.360 --> 02:34:10.879 Yeah, we can't get our hands off Fentinel at the 2796 02:34:10.920 --> 02:34:15.239 moment because there's a shortage. Yeah, Crack is freely available 2797 02:34:15.399 --> 02:34:16.799 and thanks. 2798 02:34:16.639 --> 02:34:19.079 Again guys for being on the show. Thanks everybody for listening. 2799 02:34:19.120 --> 02:34:20.520 If you want to hear more of me shooting off 2800 02:34:20.559 --> 02:34:22.000 my mouth, check out some of the other shows that 2801 02:34:22.079 --> 02:34:25.159 I work on. They are all available at weirdingwaymedia dot com. 2802 02:34:25.479 --> 02:34:27.920 Thanks especially to our Patreon community. If you want to 2803 02:34:28.000 --> 02:34:30.920 join the community, visit patreon dot com slash Projection Booth. 2804 02:34:31.200 --> 02:34:33.920 Every donation we get helps the Projection Booth take over 2805 02:34:34.000 --> 02:34:34.360 the world. 2806 02:34:50.360 --> 02:34:51.120 You can't. 2807 02:35:00.000 --> 02:35:10.280 I think he's sprainingen say spinning. You doesn't lay it one. 2808 02:35:11.200 --> 02:35:15.520 Time you never got a seven for us a. 2809 02:35:17.399 --> 02:35:18.799 Time where. 2810 02:35:21.799 --> 02:35:23.879 You brought up in the world. 2811 02:35:24.000 --> 02:35:28.319 But when the loose us up the sun. 2812 02:35:29.639 --> 02:35:31.799 Spinning in the world, seen. 2813 02:35:31.959 --> 02:35:35.040 Don'ts you know you can't stand the fall. 2814 02:35:36.159 --> 02:35:37.680 I think he's spending move. 2815 02:35:39.879 --> 02:35:40.920 Don't spread enough. 2816 02:35:43.840 --> 02:35:47.120 So you wort twice to me, tell me fyce because 2817 02:35:47.159 --> 02:35:48.639 they got me a dance. 2818 02:35:48.760 --> 02:36:22.639 The wall, the aim, no got no to fat baby. 2819 02:36:23.200 --> 02:36:27.399 It's my there to gun, next job at the time, 2820 02:36:27.600 --> 02:36:29.159 you say, and my mom. 2821 02:36:29.559 --> 02:36:30.440 But maybe. 2822 02:36:32.680 --> 02:36:43.319 I think explaining, yeah, say, displaying no smock give a sun. 2823 02:36:43.520 --> 02:36:49.360 Maybe some friends shine, so. 2824 02:36:54.040 --> 02:37:03.600 Snif say. 2825 02:37:06.639 --> 02:37:22.440 Student snipe bon, students sign. 2826 02:37:27.479 --> 02:37:59.399 And snipe sh