Speaker 1: Si dot Com came out with what they consider to
Speaker 1: be their first and second team All Pro teams. This
Speaker 1: is not Etcheton Stone all right, This isn't the vote yet,
Speaker 1: but I thought it was interesting. How many Lions do
Speaker 1: you think offensively and defensively are All Pro worthy? This
Speaker 1: is different than the Pro Bowl, you know it. Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl is a third of the fan vote, a third
Speaker 1: of the player vote, a third of the coaches vote.
Speaker 1: We've already seen who is on the Pro Bowl. We
Speaker 1: know Jared Goff and aman Ros saying Brown. We know
Speaker 1: these guys are head of the Pro Bowl, Penny Soubell,
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. We know Kirby Joseph got
Speaker 1: screwed on that he's a second alternate. My question to
Speaker 1: you is who is an All Pro? That means there
Speaker 1: is one quarterback for first team offense. That means there
Speaker 1: are two running backs, one running back, one fullback. You
Speaker 1: take each position, you get the best at that position,
Speaker 1: first team, the second best, and then the third best.
Speaker 1: That's what you have. A first team, a second team,
Speaker 1: into third team, all right, and there's one for the
Speaker 1: NFC and AFC. Correct correct? So give me in your no.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, it's that's combined. It's combined. There's only one.
Speaker 1: There's one quarterback. All Pro is one quarterback. Who's the
Speaker 1: best quarterback in twenty twenty four slash twenty five? How
Speaker 1: many Lions do you think are on this list objectively?
Speaker 2: Please? All right, that's what I want to know.
Speaker 3: I'll start with the obvious. Penny Swell will be on there.
Speaker 3: I would like to think Frank raganw is the top
Speaker 3: three center. Then after that you really got to be objective.
Speaker 3: I think Jamior Gibb should be on there. Leading the
Speaker 3: league in touchdowns, the production he had, I think he
Speaker 3: should be on there. I put him behind only Saquan
Speaker 3: m Golf wouldn't be because the other guys probably have
Speaker 3: gutier numbers.
Speaker 1: Well, well, hold on, hold on, hold on, guard your numbers,
Speaker 1: or are they're better quarterbacks?
Speaker 3: Well, probably a little bit of both. I'm saying. The
Speaker 3: three guys that made the Pro Bowl I think will
Speaker 3: probably be the three that are going to be al
Speaker 3: Pro Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: would say they're all better quarterbacks as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh okay, yeah, all right, good, all right, So
Speaker 1: the objectivity is definitely there for you. Okay, Because I
Speaker 1: asked you yesterday, I said, give me the guys who
Speaker 1: you trust from a quarterback standpoint.
Speaker 2: You didn't mention Jared.
Speaker 3: Goff not at the top top.
Speaker 1: No. So when you say God to your numbers, it's
Speaker 1: almost like, well, I guess they're there only because they
Speaker 1: have gud to your numbers. Now they're better quarterbacks, and
Speaker 1: that's okay. He's I'll take him, man, I love him.
Speaker 1: But Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow are
Speaker 1: the elite quarterbacks in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair to say. And that's it's okay
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 3: All right, if there's only three spots, I picked those three,
Speaker 3: and there you had to be a fourth spot. Mahomes
Speaker 3: would probably get that before it. Jared Goffwood maybe so.
Speaker 1: I mean based on this year, maybe not, but you
Speaker 1: would take him before.
Speaker 3: Oh no, they would take talking about seasons pro team, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's right, and that's all we're doing. So you're right
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: Here here's the this is according to s I right,
Speaker 1: you're ready tell no. I want you to like buzz
Speaker 1: as soon as you tell me. As soon as I
Speaker 1: tell you who the first team is if you've got
Speaker 1: a problem with him, Okay, Josh Allen quarterback, Saquon Barkley
Speaker 1: running back, Kyle Yuschek full back, Not.
Speaker 2: That you care.
Speaker 1: Wide receivers Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, I'm on Ross Saint
Speaker 1: Brown love it.
Speaker 3: If he was going to make it, it would be
Speaker 3: at that three spot, and I think he's earned that.
Speaker 1: Well, No, they're just taking three wide receivers. It's not
Speaker 1: a it's not a spot. It's three wide receiver.
Speaker 3: I know. I'm just I'm to me. Chase and Jefferson
Speaker 3: are the two locks. And then if you had to
Speaker 3: pick a third, because there's there's three spots, I think
Speaker 3: Save Brown has earned that more than any other receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know in what order they chose them. I'm
Speaker 1: just giving you the three, that's all. I don't think
Speaker 1: they ranked them. But I tend to agree with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, tight end brock Bowers so no buzzes yet,
Speaker 1: right and right for you? So offensive line, I don't
Speaker 1: know how much you care about Dion Dawkins of Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Penny Sewell is there, and then that's it for Lions.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to you know, Creed Humphrey, Are you
Speaker 1: going to argue Creed Humphrey as a center?
Speaker 2: I doubt it.
Speaker 1: With Kansas City pretty damn good though, and wasn't all
Speaker 1: Pro and twenty twenty two all right? Second team offense ready,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry Patrick, Ricard, three Ravens. Right in
Speaker 1: a row there, wide receiver, Ceed lamb A. J. Brown,
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, tight end, Trey McBride. That might make me
Speaker 1: as happy as anything because he had an unbelievable year. Right,
Speaker 1: My fear was, oh my god, Travis Kelsey please, Trey
Speaker 1: McBride was great. Frank Ragnow is the center?
Speaker 3: Nice?
Speaker 1: So that's it for offense, Second team offense for Lions
Speaker 1: Honorable mention or a third team Joe Burrow, Jamiir Gibbs,
Speaker 1: Michael Burton, former Lion, Kevin Zeitler offensive lineman. So you
Speaker 1: have three offensive linemen who are considered All Pro. Pretty
Speaker 1: damn good. Right, You've got a wide receiver, You've got
Speaker 1: a running back that's probably that's in line with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that tracks with what this Lions team
Speaker 3: has done this year, what they're built on, how they
Speaker 3: win games.
Speaker 1: That makes sense to me. I think it makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. I think it's very very objective. I
Speaker 1: think it makes a lot of sense. First team defense.
Speaker 1: Is there anybody on the Lions you think is worthy
Speaker 1: of first team defense consideration?
Speaker 3: Hutchinson would have been, you got hurt, so no.
Speaker 1: Right, Hutchinson. Actually I read something the other day. Hutchinson would,
Speaker 1: according to Pro Football Focus, would end the year with
Speaker 1: the highest defensive end rating in one of their key categories.
Speaker 1: Even though you know he's been out since Week six,
Speaker 1: Week seven, whatever it may be, you would be wrong.
Speaker 1: There is a player who is first team All Pro
Speaker 1: Defense according to SI dot com. The edge rushers are TJ.
Speaker 1: Watt Miles Garrett. Trey Hendrickson would have been pretty tough
Speaker 1: to break through on that, but the way Aiden Hutchinson
Speaker 1: was playing, he absolutely was tracking that way. Those at
Speaker 1: least two with t J. Watt and Miles Garrett. Those
Speaker 1: guys are Hall of famers.
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 1: I think Trey Hendrickson is a hell of a player.
Speaker 1: He led the league last year in sacks and he
Speaker 1: is He's been unbelievable again this year. He's a hell
Speaker 1: of a player, man, he really is. I don't think
Speaker 1: he gets nearly enough credit. Chris Jones, Cameron Hayward. Inside guys, linebacker,
Speaker 1: Zach Bonn, Rocan Smith, cornerbacks, Patrick Sartan, Trent McDuffie, Derwin James,
Speaker 1: Xavier McKinney.
Speaker 2: At safety, Brian.
Speaker 1: Branch is who they put in there as an all pro.
Speaker 1: They write, Lions got it right when they moved Branch
Speaker 1: from slock corner to safety. He's pretty damn good as
Speaker 1: a slot corner. Last year, team's way of keeping the
Speaker 1: second year stand out on the field for nearly every
Speaker 1: defensive play, the versatile Branch recorded force one hundred and
Speaker 1: nine total tackles, eight tackles for loss.
Speaker 3: Isn't it funny how that word versatila is kind of
Speaker 3: tied to Brian Branch whenever you hear about him. Rightfully, so,
Speaker 3: I think, but that just sticks just because of the
Speaker 3: position move You think, yeah, he's able to move around
Speaker 3: on the field. He's able to play that position if
Speaker 3: you need him to slide back to the nickel.
Speaker 1: There's not many guys who go from corner to safety
Speaker 1: and have great success. Obviously, Ronnie Lott did it, Charles
Speaker 1: Woodson did it, Mel Blunt did it. In the past.
Speaker 1: I don't think Donnie Shell did it with those Pittsburgh teams.
Speaker 1: And I'm not comparing Brian Branch to those Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame players. I'm saying it. It takes a special talent.
Speaker 1: Those are two very different positions, and I think Brian
Speaker 1: Branch to make that seamless transition has been pretty It
Speaker 1: tells you how great of it.
Speaker 2: Like we always talk about.
Speaker 1: Oh it's I'm not saying Brown taken in the fourth round,
Speaker 1: the Brian Branch pick was one of the best picks
Speaker 1: Brad Holmes has ever made. Simply spectacular. Second team defense.
Speaker 1: Do you think there is any lion on the second
Speaker 1: team defense or or audible mention? I'll just group it
Speaker 1: all together.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think Alie McNeil will be in there somewhere, and
Speaker 3: I think Kirby Joseph will be in there somewhere.
Speaker 1: Alie McNeil was not, but Kirby Joseph was. He was
Speaker 1: second team All Pro. So good for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess right, it sure is.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean when you go to Pro Football Reference
Speaker 1: dot Com that you're going to have Pro Bowl next
Speaker 1: to their All Pro next to their name, because it's
Speaker 1: SI dot Com. But it does look national opinion, whether
Speaker 1: we like it or not, and I don't always like it.
Speaker 2: National opinion matters.
Speaker 1: And when you see people recognizing your team and how
Speaker 1: good they are or how could they've become, then I
Speaker 1: think there's something to be said for That. Doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they're always right, because a lot of these websites had
Speaker 1: Minnesota beating Detroit, so they were wrong there.
Speaker 3: Well, but also it's a basis to work off. You know,
Speaker 3: when these all pro selections do come out, you and
Speaker 3: I can look back on this article and see how
Speaker 3: close they got to getting it right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and these are the people who are they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be able to do this stuff.
Speaker 2: They're supposed to be able to recognize this