1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to side Quest. This is our weekly 2 00:00:06,599 --> 00:00:09,359 video game show here at gig Verse. I am Dylan 3 00:00:09,439 --> 00:00:13,039 Muss And who is that lurking in the shadows? Is 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,919 that Lord Norinaga? Taylor Field? 5 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: How are you doing tonight? My friend? Well, I'm doing good. 6 00:00:18,879 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here, excited to talk. What we're 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:22,920 gonna talk about? 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, We're gonna jump into a baiale of 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,239 hay tonight to talk about some Assassin's Creed shadows and 10 00:00:29,239 --> 00:00:31,160 then before that little bit of Xbox News, So it 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,240 should be a fun, spacey episode. 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: Taylor, a new Assassin' Scree games? Are you just like 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,119 super ecstatic right now? This is like your favorite series? 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,840 Right it's my yeah, favorite series. It's just it's it's 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,600 kind of it's kind of surreal, and it doesn't feel 16 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,079 like we actually have it because the game has been delayed. 17 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: And the other thing too. 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,079 Speaker 2: I'm so used to playing Assassin's Creed in October and 19 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,679 November and it's just very different to be playing in 20 00:00:54,759 --> 00:00:59,399 the springtime. I don't know if that's a reasonable claim, 21 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:00,079 but it's just for me. 22 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:01,719 Speaker 3: Is it just feels different, feels weird. 23 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,599 Speaker 1: I think that's very reasonable claim. But yeah, we'll get 24 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,200 into all of that and just a little bit a 25 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,239 couple quick notes. You know, Patreon if you want to 26 00:01:10,239 --> 00:01:11,680 support this show, if you like what we do here, 27 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,200 Patroon's the best place to go, because if you subscribe, 28 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,840 even at the lowest tier for one month, that will 29 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,280 support us more financially than if you listen to hundreds 30 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,319 of episodes on YouTube and like Spotify and stuff. Now 31 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:24,640 I don't have the exact math on that, but I 32 00:01:24,719 --> 00:01:27,079 know you got to listen to a lot before the 33 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,920 equivalent of even just jumping into the lowest tier for 34 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,319 one month, So consider that if you think we are 35 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,719 worth it in any way, shape or form, you can 36 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,079 also join our discord to talk about all sorts of crazy. 37 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:39,439 Speaker 2: Stuff with us feeds. 38 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,159 Speaker 1: These days, you know, we kind of rock in a 39 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,239 nice clean schedule of Weekly Geek, which is like you know, 40 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,159 weekly news show, a little more low key than a 41 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:49,519 big newscast, a little more intimate, and just usually two 42 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,359 hosts on there and then Daredevil on a weekly basis, 43 00:01:52,439 --> 00:01:53,799 and then I don't know, I'm sure there's other things 44 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:57,159 as well, but yeah, it's been it's been going pretty 45 00:01:57,159 --> 00:01:58,439 steady there. What is it what's going on in the 46 00:01:58,439 --> 00:02:00,599 cryptoclues world. You got a new episode out there that 47 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:01,359 you're excited about. 48 00:02:02,439 --> 00:02:06,879 Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, we did some we do some encounter stories 49 00:02:06,879 --> 00:02:08,199 for sasquatch. 50 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: And then this week actually today, uh Tessie of Lake Tahow. 51 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:15,520 It just blows my mind because you got an NeSSI, 52 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:18,000 you got Bessie. Now there's a TESSI. I just found out. 53 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,879 This is testis new Testi's I mean, been around since 54 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,719 the fifties, but okay, okay, new to me. Yeah, gotcha? Gotcha? 55 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: Have you ever done any like Japanese folklore cryptid stuff? 56 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,560 There's probably some good stuff over there. 57 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:38,759 Speaker 2: Yes, I think me and Rubin highlighted Kappa, which is 58 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:44,080 Japanese demon and similar things kind of affiliate with that, 59 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:47,199 like because I mean, if you yeah, I'm pretty sure 60 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,120 we've done a couple little things. And of course there's 61 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:52,560 there's sasquatch all over the place, different types like Chinese sasquatch, 62 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:53,520 Japanese sasquatch. 63 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 3: So I we might have touched our toes. 64 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,879 Speaker 2: We definitely have focused on Chinese sasquatch off to looking 65 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,879 if we did something on Japanese. Okay, fair enough. 66 00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: Well, how about we get right into it today. Yeah, 67 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,280 like I said, two topics today, we're gonna talk abou 68 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,280 this Xbox news. So this is kind of news that 69 00:03:11,319 --> 00:03:13,080 this is also kind of coming out of the rumor mill. 70 00:03:13,199 --> 00:03:14,840 But you sent me this, Taylor, and I found it 71 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:18,879 quite interesting that there was a Xbox promotional image posted 72 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,879 online and then quickly pulling offline because there was there's 73 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,919 a cat going hand behind me on some tissue paper. 74 00:03:26,439 --> 00:03:28,919 They're they're in the In some of this promotional imagery, 75 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,159 there is you know, an Xbox UI the interface, but 76 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:35,240 there's a Steam logo on it. And I guess, uh, 77 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,199 you know, they were not ready to announce this kind 78 00:03:37,199 --> 00:03:39,680 of thing, some intern at the button too soon, whatever 79 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,360 it may be. We don't know exactly what it is. 80 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:46,599 But reading a little bit from this IGN article, uh, 81 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:49,120 they just they say that the sources can say that 82 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:51,000 the company is indeed working on an update that would 83 00:03:51,039 --> 00:03:54,240 connect users not only to their Steam library, but to 84 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:55,840 other PC storefronts too. 85 00:03:56,479 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: Uh. 86 00:03:56,879 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: So you know that's There's a lot more to this, 87 00:03:59,639 --> 00:04:02,000 but I think that's kind of the basic thing is like, Okay, 88 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:04,719 it seems like potentially Xbox is gearing up to have 89 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:09,000 somehow Steam connected with their consoles, and obviously, especially with 90 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:12,560 the series X and S this generation, they've been more 91 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:15,319 PC like than they've ever been before. And maybe this 92 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,120 hardware is there that it could just support the software 93 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,160 to you know, run Steam natively off the console, even 94 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,279 though Steam Dex a little weird because that actually runs 95 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,079 Linux natively, But then you can like switch it over 96 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:28,480 to Windows I believe, and then it works like just 97 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:31,000 as well. But obviously Steam would work there as well. 98 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,399 So in theory you could just play your library of 99 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,959 PC games on any of your Xboxes or I guess 100 00:04:36,959 --> 00:04:38,360 maybe the next generation of xboxes. 101 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: We're not exactly sure, but. 102 00:04:39,759 --> 00:04:40,079 Speaker 3: I don't know. 103 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: What do you take? 104 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: What do you make of this news? First of all, 105 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:44,399 do you think this is legit? 106 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: And two? Yeah, I guess just like, what are your 107 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,560 thoughts on it? If it is true? I feel like 108 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,079 it's legit. I think Xbox I should say. Microsoft has 109 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,560 been really pushing to branch out off of their console 110 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,720 a little bit more, and especially a lot of games 111 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,519 that were available only on the console now available on PC. 112 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:02,600 With game Pass Ultimate, you can stream between the two seamlessly. 113 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,519 They've been making huge steps with just implementing discord into 114 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:09,800 like your Xbox Now with being in a Discord Chat, 115 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:11,759 I don't have to go into an Xbox party. I 116 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:14,240 can just I just connect the Discord on my phone 117 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,199 app and then I can just sit start talking on 118 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,360 Xbox and it just connects the Discord Chat to the Xbox, 119 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,720 which is nice. You can stream your games through Discord 120 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:26,160 now connecting it to your Xbox. So there's lots of 121 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:28,439 stuff going on, and I think that this has a 122 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,519 lot of merit behind it. To get your Steam library 123 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,720 on Xbox, you just it's only a. 124 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 3: Matter of probably just. 125 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 2: Like binding the right keys to your control or just 126 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:40,560 mapping it out accordingly. 127 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: And I don't think that's very difficult to do. 128 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,879 Speaker 2: And I mean, heck, I'll be able to play Potion 129 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,360 Problem on Xbox soon. Oh my god. 130 00:05:47,399 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that possibility. I'll have to 131 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,959 get some controller support going in on there, because currently 132 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,839 there is absolutely none of that. But that's a that's 133 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:59,240 an interesting prospect for sure. Yeah, there's so many angles 134 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,360 to this, And I wonder if this is something that 135 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,759 like do you think PlayStation is also working on this too, 136 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,399 Like would it be Steam that would be going out 137 00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:08,360 to these different places and Switch would probably a lot 138 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,199 harder because of the tech. 139 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,079 Speaker 2: Side of things, I imagine. 140 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,199 Speaker 1: But do you think it would be like more Steam 141 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,680 going to these places and saying, hey, we want to increase, 142 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,399 you know, our our user base essentially by accessing these 143 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:20,879 different places where people can access this sortfront or do 144 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:23,639 you think this is more Xbox play of like, okay, 145 00:06:23,639 --> 00:06:26,000 maybe this is our feather in the cap to like 146 00:06:26,519 --> 00:06:28,560 really boost us up in the next generation, because that 147 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:31,279 is huge. If you can do that now, you're is 148 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:34,040 already for me, like my Xbox three sixty Slash now 149 00:06:34,079 --> 00:06:36,759 series X, Like that's kind of been my biggest digital 150 00:06:36,759 --> 00:06:39,079 library until probably Steam over the last few years. And 151 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,079 so if I could combine those because I don't have 152 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:44,360 a huge digital library on like Nintendo switches at every generation, right, 153 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:46,759 so that kind of withers with time, and then PlayStation 154 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,480 I'm only you know, buying the odd digital thing on there. 155 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:51,439 So if I could combine forces and get my two 156 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,399 biggest libraries just combined in one place, that would be huge. 157 00:06:54,399 --> 00:06:56,600 But yeah, do you do you think this is something 158 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:58,720 that Steam would be going out and also PlayStation would 159 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,279 have this too, or could this be an Xbox exclusive feature? 160 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,759 Speaker 2: I feel I don't think it'll be an exclusive feature. 161 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,879 I think this is something that PlayStation will probably adapt. 162 00:07:10,879 --> 00:07:11,839 Speaker 3: At some point as well. 163 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:16,839 Speaker 2: The interesting thing here though, is well, so two things. 164 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,639 This is a huge step towards kind of breaking away 165 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:22,959 from the physical media side of things, where you don't 166 00:07:22,959 --> 00:07:25,279 need to buy hard copies for your games anymore, which 167 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:28,000 I feel like is something that Xbox and PlayStation respectively 168 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,199 both are trying to step towards. 169 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 170 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,759 Speaker 1: I think even avowed recent example, I don't think has 171 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,680 a physical version at all, only digital experience really yeah, 172 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:36,079 the first party game. 173 00:07:36,199 --> 00:07:39,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the other thing to this as well, if 174 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,639 Xbox is the one that's responsible for this is pushing 175 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:46,000 forward to it, or if it's seem it's crazy to 176 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,639 think I will be able to play PlayStation exclusive games 177 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:52,680 that have been ported to PC months later after its 178 00:07:52,759 --> 00:07:56,600 initial release on PS five, I can play it on Xbox. 179 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,120 I can play The Spider Man one and two on Xbox. 180 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,240 I can play What Goes to Shima on Xbox. I'll 181 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,800 be able to play Desk Stranding on Xbox. Steem Like, 182 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:06,839 that's just really really wild. And that's it again. If 183 00:08:06,839 --> 00:08:08,959 that's Xbox pushing for this, that's. 184 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: A huge kick to the gut for. 185 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,079 Speaker 2: For PlayStation, right, and then you'll have to sign in 186 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,000 with your play You'll have to sign into your Xbox 187 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,079 account by the game through your Steam account, and then 188 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:21,199 you'll have to sign in with your PlayStation account in 189 00:08:21,279 --> 00:08:24,040 order to play the game. It'll be such a fucking mess, 190 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:25,519 but then you go, you can play. 191 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:26,639 Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, it's worth 192 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:29,360 it to play Ghost of Sushima on your on your Xbox, 193 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,240 you know what. It's funny when I was when I 194 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,000 was reading through this, my my one of my first 195 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,320 thoughts was, you know, it says in that article mentions 196 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,600 and other storefronts, so you know, I think Epic Games 197 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:39,879 or something. But the first one that came to my 198 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:42,279 mind was was battle battle dot net or is it 199 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:42,960 Blizzard dot Net. 200 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: I forget if they changed it at some point, but 201 00:08:44,519 --> 00:08:47,000 like that's the active Battle games battle net. Yeah, yeah, 202 00:08:47,039 --> 00:08:50,240 battle neet because obviously that's like within the Xbox umbrella now, 203 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,440 so I wonder, like that, to me, that would almost 204 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:53,919 make more sense to do that first you get that 205 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,399 implemented on your consoplet. But obviously Steam would be like 206 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,360 if you can get Steam, you get Steam all your 207 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,759 console because that's going to bring in a lot of players. 208 00:09:01,039 --> 00:09:03,279 And I feel like if this was an exclusive thing 209 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,399 for Xbox and PlayStation six for example, didn't have it, 210 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,320 I think that would be a huge boost for Xbox. 211 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: And now that's like another way for people because I 212 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,559 think a Steam deck is probably about the same price 213 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:16,919 as a Series X, and maybe a Series S would 214 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:18,600 be even cheaper than a Steam deck. So if someone 215 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,120 just wants to play games and they like Steam, like 216 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,720 you know, maybe just buying a Series S is the 217 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:24,759 best way to go because that's a hell of a 218 00:09:24,759 --> 00:09:26,879 lot cheaper than a PC, right unless you get like 219 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:29,159 the worst PC of all time, So that would be 220 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,159 huge for Xbox. 221 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: I think Steam, you know, they would have no why 222 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,679 why wouldn't they want this? It's just they can make 223 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,480 more money and more places. And I'm I wonder if 224 00:09:38,519 --> 00:09:42,559 the ratio would change it, like how much Steam gets 225 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,480 off every purchase of a Steam game, like if it's 226 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,159 on Xbox, if they'd split that, or like how would 227 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:48,639 that work if. 228 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:50,039 Speaker 3: I bring your library? 229 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 2: Right, so you're still buying, you're paying the full amount 230 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:53,840 of Steam, but. 231 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:56,759 Speaker 1: I does Xbox now, like if there's a purchase that's 232 00:09:56,799 --> 00:09:59,799 made through the Steam Store on your Xbox. Does Xbox 233 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:02,480 want a cut of that right? Or and then is 234 00:10:02,519 --> 00:10:03,919 it weird if you just go on your computer and 235 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:06,440 buy the game there instead? Does now all the proceeds 236 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:07,639 go to Steam, but you can still play it in 237 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,759 your Xbox, Like, I would really wonder how that stuff 238 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:12,039 shakes out, And I just what I hope for is 239 00:10:12,039 --> 00:10:14,399 that people like me who have a game on Steam 240 00:10:14,759 --> 00:10:17,679 that I'm not getting like undercut even more because Steam 241 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,000 already takes like, you know, a lot higher percentage than 242 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:24,320 like Epic Games does, for example, from like every purchase there. 243 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: So I wonder how something like that would work. 244 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: But I think Xbox would be, like you can have 245 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,159 all the proceeds, we just you know, that would be 246 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,000 such a big feature to have. I think they would 247 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,519 probably be fine or even just take like a very 248 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,879 small percentage, But I think they would rather just have 249 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,960 that on there, like as you mentioned with Discord too, 250 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:41,320 like yeah, just get all those features to make these 251 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,759 things more blend in with a PC on the shelf, 252 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:44,960 which they already want you to do. 253 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:46,799 Speaker 2: I think it makes a lot of sense. 254 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:48,399 Speaker 1: But the other thing I thought with this is like 255 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,639 it almost feels, you know, there was that campaign that 256 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:51,960 they had going on a few months ago that was 257 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,679 like everything's an Xbox or this is an Xbox. They'd 258 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,919 post a picture of like I don't know, whatever device 259 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,240 and say, oh, this is an Xbox. This kind of 260 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,159 seems like, I don't know. This almost seems like against 261 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,120 that idea in a way, like now they're kind of 262 00:11:04,159 --> 00:11:07,080 incentivizing you once again come back to the console space, 263 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,720 even though it seemed like maybe they were drifting away 264 00:11:08,759 --> 00:11:10,480 from that and they don't really care where you play 265 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,679 their games. They just want you playing them. But now 266 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,480 this is like, oh, no, we want you playing games on. 267 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: Our Xbox specifically. 268 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,159 Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's just two different pillars, 269 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,440 but I think it's also just I don't know. Every 270 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,840 time you hear Phil Spencer or Sarah Bona and these 271 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,879 people talking on a podcast in the last few months, 272 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:27,480 the fucking planet Xbox changes every seven days, it seems, 273 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:28,480 so I feel like they. 274 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:29,279 Speaker 2: Don't really know what they're doing. 275 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: They're just trying to do anything to increase their sales, 276 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:33,919 I guess, and you know, it doesn't hurt to try 277 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:37,000 and go for two different markets at the same time 278 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,080 that people who just want to play digitally anywhere, and 279 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,279 the people who do want a traditional console experience, but 280 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,080 if maybe drifted to PC and now you can maybe 281 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,919 bring them back at least at the very least grab 282 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,279 a series s, throw it on your TV, stand still, 283 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:49,679 have your PC and you're good to go. And that 284 00:11:49,759 --> 00:11:52,080 might be a nice hybrid way for people like me 285 00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:54,240 specifically who don't really want to play games on my 286 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,360 PC these days because I work all day on the 287 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:59,000 PC and I podcast here with you in the evenings. 288 00:11:59,039 --> 00:12:00,159 Speaker 2: I don't want to say. 289 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: From my computer anymore that I already do you know, 290 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,480 even though it's still screen. But some rambling thoughts there, 291 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,279 but I think there's a lot to it. My other 292 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,279 thought though was what developers want this? 293 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,639 Speaker 2: And I think it's a double edged sword where one, okay, 294 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,720 now there's you know, a bigger storefront in a way 295 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:19,639 for a larger audience for people to buy your game 296 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,720 because now you have all these Xbox users who can 297 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:23,200 now buy any of your Steam games. 298 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: But I also think it maybe takes away from like 299 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,559 the double dip factor and you think about games like Minecraft, GTA, Skyrim. Personally, 300 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:34,399 I have purchased those games on multiple platforms over the years, 301 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:35,720 and those are some of the best selling games of 302 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,480 all time. And that's why those games becomes from the 303 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:38,960 best selling of all time because a lot of people 304 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:41,399 buy Minecraft three or four times, and so it's not 305 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,279 that all that many people has actually bought the game. 306 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,399 It's just that you have individual people buying the game 307 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,720 multiple times to play in different places. And this could 308 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:50,200 kind of take away from that a bit. Now, if 309 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,159 you just have to buy it in one spot, obviously 310 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:54,559 much better for consumers. But I wonder if developers would 311 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,000 be worried or upset about this if they're in a 312 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:00,600 way losing money because people are not buying their game 313 00:13:00,639 --> 00:13:01,559 in multiple places. 314 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: If as a developer, your pitch is to have one 315 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,120 person buy your game two to three times, that's not 316 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,679 a solid foundation that is that is that the case? 317 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: So, I mean think about games like like Marvel Snap 318 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:16,919 or I'm sure Pokemon Pokemon Trading Card, Like I'm sure 319 00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:20,240 like most of those games, so much other revenue comes 320 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,320 from like just individual users who are spending sometimes like 321 00:13:23,399 --> 00:13:25,559 millions of dollars on their game, right, Like they're just 322 00:13:25,919 --> 00:13:27,960 they're the whales as they call them, right, Like the 323 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,159 users who are just buying so much cosmetic shit in 324 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,960 your game that it keeps it afloat for the people 325 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,559 like me who are a snap maybe spend ten dollars 326 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,960 every few months or something like that, right, But where 327 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,120 it actually becomes sustainable is sometimes just those huge freaking 328 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,919 whale type people. And I feel like it's not quite 329 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,480 the same if you can only buy a game up 330 00:13:44,519 --> 00:13:46,720 to three or four times on these different platforms. But 331 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,080 I feel like that same idea does kind of stand. 332 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,559 And yes, Splunky has I've purchased it on every platform, 333 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,480 you know, because I just want to have access to 334 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:55,080 it everywhere. 335 00:13:55,879 --> 00:13:58,519 Speaker 2: And you know that's that's quadrupled. 336 00:13:57,879 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: Their sales from one person alone here, But now that 337 00:14:00,759 --> 00:14:03,320 would they would get, you know, less sales for me 338 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:04,919 in that way. But I don't know, maybe they just 339 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,159 like where where does that divide of, Like, hey, well 340 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,559 now they have access to more users, where does that 341 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:10,159 balance out? 342 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: I think that's that's tricky. 343 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:12,879 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, developers are not 344 00:14:12,879 --> 00:14:14,200 really gonna have to say in this right, this is 345 00:14:14,279 --> 00:14:18,360 just like Xbox and Steam and these people the suits 346 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:20,200 that are making those decisions, not the developers. 347 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 3: Really. 348 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:23,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it'll be just in the C two when 349 00:14:23,799 --> 00:14:26,039 you have Steam sales, because sometimes the Steam sales are 350 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,039 like the best, like way better than Xbox, so competitively, 351 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,320 is Steam gonna undercut Microsoft on the pricings of their games, 352 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,320 like and then like it's gonna force their hand, like, oh, 353 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,279 we'll just buy a game on Steam for five bucks 354 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,960 during their summer sale when it's still like twenty nine 355 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,320 bucks on Xbox Store. 356 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:42,639 Speaker 3: Right. 357 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because I do 358 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:47,639 feel like, because I've been trying to wish lists more 359 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:49,759 things on an Xbox and PlayStation, I tune in on 360 00:14:49,759 --> 00:14:51,200 those sales and I feel like they're getting up there 361 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,000 in terms of the Steam numbers, in terms of the valet, 362 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,320 like the savings you could get on these things. But 363 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:57,919 still at the end of the day, like compared to 364 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:00,559 like Steam, compared to any of these of things, the 365 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:04,159 e Shop of course, but even Xbox, even PlayStation, Oh 366 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,519 my god, all those storefronts absolutely absolutely. 367 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: Suck compared to steams. 368 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: Steam is so clean, They've always been doing it for 369 00:15:10,279 --> 00:15:11,759 a long time, and like had the same one they've 370 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:14,799 been iterating on. But it is by far the best 371 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,159 storefront for finding new interesting things, for just quickly finding 372 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,600 the things that you actually want for managing your wish list, 373 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,320 the UI just looks really nice that everything's really snappy, 374 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,200 and it's consistent because you don't have to like, oh, 375 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,759 every generation now I gotta like wish list these new 376 00:15:27,799 --> 00:15:29,320 games that I want or get they get, you know, 377 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:33,039 carries everything over obviously throughout all time, so it's just 378 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,200 always been the best, and so I think to me, 379 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:37,000 that would even just be a huge thing of oh yeah, 380 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,919 I can just like buy things on Steam on my 381 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,320 Xbox now that is a huge convenient or I could 382 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,960 just buy them on you know, Steam on PC and 383 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,679 then just download them from my Xbox like that would 384 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,919 be a major convenience factor. So I do hope this 385 00:15:49,039 --> 00:15:51,000 ends up being true, and I hope it happens for 386 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:53,080 PlayStation too. I would I just think it would be great. 387 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:56,399 That would really, I don't know, help me maybe make 388 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,000 a decision on what console I want to buy next generation. 389 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:01,519 Speaker 2: At first, I think it would be just a really 390 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:02,240 nice bonus. 391 00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't Nintendo will ever jump in 392 00:16:05,399 --> 00:16:07,639 on this fun, but I hope they do because that 393 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:10,000 would be I mean, Steam probably wouldn't want that because 394 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,600 I feel like, then who would buy a Steam deck 395 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:13,639 if now you can just play all your Steam stuff 396 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:15,919 on your your switch. 397 00:16:15,679 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: You know. 398 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,039 Speaker 1: So I think that that would probably be not their 399 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:21,519 best interest. But I think to grab Xbox and PlayStation 400 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:23,559 and get them in the house, that would be a big, 401 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:25,720 good partnership, I think, hm for sure. 402 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:28,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. Any any other thoughts on this that we haven't 403 00:16:28,399 --> 00:16:28,840 covered yet? 404 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 3: No, I think that's everything. 405 00:16:31,399 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: Okay, how about then we take a quick break and 406 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:39,720 we'll be right back to get into Assassin's Creed Shadows. 407 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: We are back the latest Assassin's Creed game. What is this? 408 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:51,200 The twelfth game? Tenth game, eleventh, fourteen main line mainline 409 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,480 mainline game? Okay, quick sound out, satnd Creed two, Brotherhood 410 00:16:55,559 --> 00:17:02,519 Revelations three, four, Black Flag, Assassin's Creed Rogue, Assassins for Unity, 411 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:12,720 Assassin's Creed Syndicate, Assassin's Creed Origins Origins at that point, and. 412 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:16,759 Speaker 3: The Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Assassin's Creed Valja, Assassin's Creed Mirage, 413 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,319 and the Assassin's Creed Shadows. 414 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 2: So what do I lost count? Were you still counting? No? 415 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:27,480 I stopped at ten. Ten was syndicate? So origin? Maybe? 416 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,920 I think it was fourteen or fifteen, Yeah, thirteen fourteen, fifteen, 417 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,880 somewhere in that ballpark. There's been a lot of these 418 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,920 games consistently coming out, but I think they have slowed 419 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,799 down a little bit. Obviously the delay is a part 420 00:17:37,839 --> 00:17:38,519 of the factor here. 421 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: And now I guess, just like, obviously I want your 422 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,359 top level thoughts, but also I feel like you've you've 423 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:44,960 gone on such a journey with this series. You've played 424 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,240 all these games, you love, you love, Maybe you don't 425 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,119 love all of them, but you really enjoy most of them. 426 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,319 And then there's a couple duds, I guess in the mix. 427 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:52,920 But I feel like you kind of went up the 428 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,119 hill with Origins and Odyssey, really liking the kind of 429 00:17:56,519 --> 00:17:59,160 changes in the series, and then Valjaala kind of tanked 430 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,359 it you didn't really like. Maybe I don't know if 431 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:02,920 it was necessarily the open world, so if you didn't like, 432 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,640 it just wasn't as much for you. And then they 433 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,279 go back to Mirage for a more classic Assassin's Creed style. 434 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:09,039 But now here we are back with like the kind 435 00:18:09,079 --> 00:18:11,519 of open world again and obviously a new setting. So 436 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:13,240 I don't know, how is that fairing with you? Are 437 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:15,480 you liking this kind of back and forth, or do 438 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:17,680 you wish they would kind of stick with the Mirage 439 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,359 style or are you kind of enjoying the open world 440 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:20,240 element of it again? 441 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: I you know, the open world aspect it can be 442 00:18:24,519 --> 00:18:28,279 it could be overwhelming because when I was playing, I 443 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,920 had Madison's Next Gym, my Madison look, and I was 444 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,119 just going over the whole map. I'm like, how the 445 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,119 hell am I a thirty year old man, a father 446 00:18:36,279 --> 00:18:39,160 supposed to find the time to go through a one 447 00:18:39,279 --> 00:18:43,559 hundred percent this like I used to? But you know, 448 00:18:44,279 --> 00:18:46,480 you make time. The fact that it's open world, I 449 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,240 like it, and there's definitely a place for it. With 450 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:53,079 Assassin's Creed, Valhalla was just I have some friends that 451 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,400 really really love it. They still play it, they enjoy it, 452 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,039 and they're trying to egg me on to get back 453 00:18:58,079 --> 00:18:58,319 into it. 454 00:18:58,319 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: I think I just can't. 455 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: That's it doesn't feel like Assassin's Creed to me. It 456 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,200 feels very far from it. And when you'll get Mirage, like, okay, Mirage. 457 00:19:05,839 --> 00:19:07,759 Speaker 3: Is them kind of hitting that reset button. It's going 458 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:08,640 back to basics. 459 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 2: It's it feels like Assassin's Creed one, but is refined 460 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,920 and just honed in and it's just like this. 461 00:19:14,079 --> 00:19:16,559 Speaker 3: Is a great Assassin's Creed adventure and a story. I 462 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,680 really enjoy it. So yeah, there's definitely been highs and 463 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:23,960 lows the Assassin's Creed shadows to me, it has. 464 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 2: Elements that are familiar from previous iterations, like Assassin's Creed syndicate, 465 00:19:28,839 --> 00:19:32,119 the character like between back and forth kind of dynamic. 466 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,680 I feel like that's part of that is represented here. 467 00:19:35,839 --> 00:19:38,160 And then while I'm exploring the map, for some reason, 468 00:19:38,279 --> 00:19:41,079 Black Flag popped into my mind. It's just the landscape 469 00:19:41,079 --> 00:19:43,960 seemed very familiar, and just it's the setting and running 470 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,200 around seem to kind of feel like Black Flag in 471 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:47,880 a certain way. 472 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:49,039 Speaker 3: Of course, the. 473 00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:53,079 Speaker 2: Combat very very much different. I mean that starts with origins, 474 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:56,480 but yeah, there seems to be like little things that 475 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,920 just kind of reminisce from each different and title of Assassin's. 476 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,599 Speaker 3: Creed that I that I really like. 477 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:05,039 Speaker 1: I think that's pretty fitting for like the theme of 478 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,119 these games too, right, and just like having the animus 479 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,960 and kind of just this stuff unlocked through your DNA 480 00:20:10,079 --> 00:20:11,839 and the memories and whatnot. So I think it's cool 481 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,920 that there's you're kind of getting that vibe from it 482 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,960 that it's a bit of a mix of these different 483 00:20:16,519 --> 00:20:18,079 specifically the eras of the series. 484 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 2: I guess that's pretty neat. Yeah, and the I mean 485 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,599 when it comes to the animus and that whole storyline, 486 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,160 it's I've had difficulty keeping up with where we're at 487 00:20:28,279 --> 00:20:31,480 right now. I mean a few games after Desmond, I 488 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,839 was keeping up, keeping track and it made sense with 489 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,200 what was happening, But now without Desmond, and I can't 490 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,000 even remember the name of the main protagonist in the 491 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:43,839 present day. I think it was Leila. It's still a 492 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:49,799 little convoluted trying to keep tabs with her storyline. But yeah, 493 00:20:49,839 --> 00:20:52,839 I just think that we're where they're at now. I 494 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,000 think this has just been a long time coming. People 495 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:57,279 have been asking for this for a very very long time, 496 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,960 and it's nice that we finally got it. And I'm 497 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,759 glad that it's when you look at the map, I'm 498 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:04,079 looking at a picture of the map right now, and 499 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,640 I'm glad that it's just it's broken up into what 500 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:09,799 is it, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, 501 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,000 different regions which feel their provinces, which is a little 502 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,519 bit nicer, and they make it. 503 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:16,079 Speaker 1: Kind of clear like this is like the level you 504 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,359 want to be roughly to enter those places. Yeah, that 505 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,759 little was overwhelming than just like a big cloudy map 506 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:23,559 that we see so often in open world games. 507 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,599 Speaker 3: That's right, and that's something that was brought in. 508 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 2: I want to say it was Origins that did that, 509 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,279 where hey, you can really go anywhere here, but you 510 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,279 know you're going to need to be a higher level 511 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:35,440 if you really want to deal some damage, and that's 512 00:21:35,599 --> 00:21:38,960 again represented here. But this just feels more refined, and 513 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,160 I'm very thankful that they took a lot of the 514 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:44,680 things that they changed and introduced in Odyssey and Origins 515 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,480 and really refined it. Even Valhalla, I feel like it 516 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,240 was kind of missing the mark on with the combat 517 00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:54,759 and whatnot. Mirage was nice, and I mean, I'll speak 518 00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:56,359 more to it later with this game, but this is 519 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,720 definitely it's it's landing. 520 00:21:58,799 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 521 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,519 Speaker 1: What what's the diference then, between like this and Valhalla 522 00:22:01,559 --> 00:22:03,640 for you? Like, why is this one seemingly working for 523 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,799 you more than the Hella did, Because to me, it 524 00:22:05,839 --> 00:22:08,759 seems like a kind of linear trajectory to get to 525 00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:09,160 this point. 526 00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: I would definitely say it's uh, the way the map 527 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,319 was designed in Valhalla a way like when I say, 528 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,599 open world. I just way too much forced, way too 529 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,880 much openness like that. And I mean that's kind of 530 00:22:24,839 --> 00:22:27,440 my being hypocritical, yes, because Honesty was kind of like 531 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:30,400 that and Origins was kind of like that. But for me, 532 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:32,759 another thing with Valhalla is it just didn't really feel 533 00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:35,079 assassin's creed Like it just felt like you're just a 534 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,680 Viking doing the raids and leading a bunch of troops 535 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,119 and all that kind of stuff. There were just certain 536 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,319 elements in there that were they were trying to be 537 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,119 honorable to the time and the setting and the events 538 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,000 that were unfolding, but it just, I don't know, it 539 00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:49,880 didn't connect, didn't work for you. 540 00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:51,759 Speaker 1: Just have one character in that game, right, you can 541 00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:54,359 just choose male female, but let's get the same guy. Yeah, 542 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,319 and there and it's more, I don't know, is it 543 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,480 really trying to emphasize combat over self? 544 00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say so. Yeah. 545 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,559 Speaker 2: And that's again one of my other biggest cons, Like 546 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,400 I enjoy the stealth aspect. Sometimes just want to go 547 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,000 in and you want to fight like crazy. But I like, 548 00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:14,079 for example, one of the first things I got and 549 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,799 sas Sweet Chatows was and she's been forgetting five kills undetected. 550 00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:19,160 I was like, Okay, I feel like there's some merit, 551 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,960 a little bit of a reward here for just doing it. 552 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,960 And that was me going into a base as I 553 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:27,759 think it's Noah, Noah, so you. 554 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 3: Say your name, yeah something like that, Yeah, something like that. 555 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:34,279 So that was me just going into a temple and just. 556 00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:39,839 Speaker 2: Using my throwing daggers and just really taking my time 557 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:40,759 and going in slowly. 558 00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 3: And I was like, man, this feels good. 559 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 2: I feel like an assassin, I feel like a ninja, 560 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:48,240 or like this is just super super cool. Mm hmm. Yeah. 561 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm quite enjoying the game so far as well, and 562 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:54,640 I'm definitely much more green when it comes to Assassin's Creed. 563 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,759 I've only just dabbled in a couple of the games, 564 00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:58,680 but I've never even rolled credits on any of these. 565 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,599 We're considering do in Assassin's Creed two retro before this episode, 566 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,920 but just very busy this last. 567 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 3: Couple of months. 568 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,319 Speaker 1: By Origins, No, I played a few hours of Origins, 569 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,519 but I got to the Pyramids and then I I 570 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,359 don't know, I don't know what happened there. 571 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 2: I floated off into the wind. It was fun to 572 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:19,319 roam around there. 573 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:21,839 Speaker 1: A little bit though, But yeah, I truly have not 574 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,839 played a lot of this series, so pretty fresh experience 575 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,559 for me. And obviously this feels very similar to Ghosts 576 00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:27,759 as Shima and other open world games, but I think 577 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:29,720 it is taking some different directions too. 578 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,039 Speaker 2: I want to ask the objectives. I guess I'll call it. 579 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:36,279 Speaker 1: The objective map, the objective chart, whatever you want to 580 00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:38,240 call it in this where rather than it being like 581 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:40,160 a linear quest log of like, here's the name of 582 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,720 these quests, here's the cycleestis your main quest, Like it's 583 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:44,680 kind of just this big map and you can kind 584 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,839 of scroll around it and I'll show like, here's your 585 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,880 character and if you want to go on their personal journey, 586 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,359 follow this. 587 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,039 Speaker 2: Here's like the base building thing. You can follow these quests. 588 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: There's these different rings of like different bandits, and here's 589 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,880 how they're connected to each other, and then you kind 590 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,720 of follow through these things. Is that kind of new 591 00:24:58,759 --> 00:25:00,960 here or have they been doing these these sorts of 592 00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:03,039 I don't know. I guess layout of the quest in 593 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,319 these recent games, I want. 594 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,039 Speaker 2: To say Valhalla is kind of what started that quest 595 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:12,279 kind of scenario origins was definitely still very linear and 596 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,279 Odyssey I guess that was more like Valhalla, different kind 597 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,559 of quests popping up and whatnot, but still fairly linear. Uh. 598 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,559 The the idea though of just that, the the UI 599 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,680 where you see like all the different icons for the 600 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,000 people you gotta like target and whatnot. I believe I 601 00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:31,279 don't remember it in origins, not that it wasn't there, 602 00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:33,160 it's just my lack of memory. I remember it in 603 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,519 Odyssey because there were you could you could I have 604 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,200 in my head you can see the different icons that 605 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:40,599 you can hit, these people that lead to these people. 606 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,039 Speaker 3: And so forth on who to execute. 607 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:44,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like it. I think it right from 608 00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:45,319 the get go. 609 00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: It like, once you get through the first like two hours, 610 00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:51,359 which is very introy prologue tutorially sort of stuff, it 611 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,319 really feels like it's quite open and obviously doesn't no 612 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:54,559 Overmork game. As you said, you can go in a 613 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,720 direction you want, but I feel like it gave you. 614 00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:58,480 It gives you a few different strings to pull on. 615 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,880 And then as you start playing a little bit more, 616 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,440 very quickly, like new tabs are opening on this and 617 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:06,480 your you know, new villain rings are popping up. It's like, okay, yeah, 618 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:08,519 this is overwhelming. Officially, like it gets to that point 619 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:11,440 pretty quickly. But I like that openness right off the bat, 620 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,640 and I feel like one thing I didn't really expect 621 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:14,880 from this game, because I feel like you'd be soft 622 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,519 games in general. They get the stink of like, oh yeah, 623 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,079 mind this open world game. Follow the you know icon 624 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,480 of the map. You don't have to follow the yellow line. 625 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:23,720 You know, you don't have to think at all. But 626 00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:25,519 I feel like, I don't know if this is new 627 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:27,680 or if they've done this before, but the uh what 628 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:29,480 do they call? I guess there's like the hints for 629 00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:31,880 each mission, so you'll get like, Okay, here's this guy 630 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:34,240 and he's you know, known as the Viper whatever his 631 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,480 name is. And you get like, okay, he is somewhere, 632 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,599 you know, west of this town. He's in this district roughly, 633 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,799 and he's kind of by the coast, and so you 634 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,240 can like just follow those clues and go look around 635 00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:48,519 and try and find him, or you can like expense 636 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:50,880 these scouts, which are like this resource to help you 637 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:53,440 find where the actual peg is on the map. And 638 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:55,720 I feel like that was a pretty smart thing to 639 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:57,799 do because it just makes the game you have to 640 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,960 use your brain to like do these quests. You can't 641 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,079 just mindlessly turn your brain off and follow the things 642 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:03,920 and not listen at all. 643 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,599 Speaker 2: You kind of need to pay a little bit more attention. 644 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit of mar Win in 645 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,039 that way, right, mar Win a game that didn't give 646 00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:10,839 you quest markers, that just give you a journal, like 647 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,119 go down the road for six miles and then take 648 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,960 a right at this fork in the road and then 649 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,680 you know, when you see the lake, do a three 650 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:17,599 sixty flip. 651 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,519 Speaker 2: And you'll get to the destination. 652 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: You know, It's very confusing in that game. This is 653 00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:23,240 much more simplified pair down, But I think it. I 654 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,240 think it works one for the setting of it, and 655 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:27,359 I quite like it. I think it's something that could 656 00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:30,319 maybe get on my nerves a little bit the deeper 657 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:31,799 I get into the game, when I'm like, I just 658 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,279 want to get through these quests and I have to 659 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:35,279 do these freaking scavenger hunts every time. 660 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 2: So I don't know, is that a new thing? And 661 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,720 then how are you feeling about that mechanic? There's definitely 662 00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:42,440 been iterations in the past where they don't necessarily give 663 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,039 you like, hey, it's. 664 00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 3: In this general area, but it's a lot more turn 665 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,319 your brain off. 666 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:50,599 Speaker 2: This is very, very different, i'd say, and I found 667 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,440 it aggravating immediately because I was like, man, I got 668 00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:56,839 I just gotta do this shit, come on and it. 669 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 3: But I enjoy the scout factor. You can kind of 670 00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:01,359 pop those pings. 671 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,039 Speaker 2: That's kind of fun and it's definitely grown on me, 672 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,240 just kind of doing my own thing, and it's like, okay, 673 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,799 so I know that I'm a viewpoint. 674 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,319 Speaker 3: What's the word viewpoint, bitch, I guess. 675 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 2: Or okay, your word's not mine viewpoint. Bit. When I 676 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,720 see a viewpoint, I'm going to it. That's always like 677 00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:24,880 my first thing. If my quest is nearby, my mission objective, No, 678 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:27,200 I'm hitting the viewpoint. I'm a sucker for those. I 679 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,920 love to get as many of them as I can. 680 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,599 I've always done that in every single Assassin's Creed, and 681 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,839 I just think it's nice to kind of like, Okay, 682 00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:37,680 I can get to that viewpoint, set up that fast 683 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,599 travel location, then I can kind of see, okay, my 684 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,640 target's over here. 685 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 3: Which on the note of the. 686 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 2: Viewpoints, I don't believe this was in Mirage. I can't 687 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:49,119 remember if there was a feature in there, but the 688 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,240 fact that you get to the top and automatically sinks 689 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,920 it and does the panel shot. That's fantastic because there 690 00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:56,440 has happened when you get to the top. Sometimes you 691 00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:00,160 forget to sink. Sometimes you jump off accidentally and you 692 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,039 got to climb back to the top of this god 693 00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:04,200 forsake and landmark and do it all over again. 694 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,119 Speaker 3: So automatically doing it is a very very nice bonus. 695 00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 2: Nice. 696 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the scout mechanic, I think one, 697 00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:13,160 it's cool that ties back into the game that and 698 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,000 maybe there I'm sure at some point with the base 699 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:17,559 building you can get like scout recruiter building and it 700 00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:19,440 will just like give you scouts over time. But right now, 701 00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:21,680 it's like, Okay, I have to go through the world. 702 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,000 I find you know, there's two people who are being 703 00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:26,599 held prisoner by these evil guys. I go take out 704 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:28,880 the evil guys. And then when I freed those people, 705 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,160 I'll have the option do I want to recruit them 706 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,839 as a scout and that will be like a one 707 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,319 time expendable resource. I can send them off as a scout, 708 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,680 or I can, you know, get a rumor for them. 709 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,680 I guess I get a quest a hint to a quest, 710 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,400 I guess is the way it's kind of set up, 711 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,440 and I don't know if there's other options that pop 712 00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:45,720 up later, but I think it's cool that it's one 713 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,119 contextualizes like so many of the open world games, you 714 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,799 like free prisoners and like maybe they go somewhere, maybe 715 00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:52,079 they give you a little reward or something. But I 716 00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:53,640 think it's cool that they kind of turn back into 717 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,119 a resource that you can then expend and like add 718 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,400 der army almost in a way. And then I guess 719 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,400 there's more mechanics on this too, where you can expend 720 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,839 multiple scouts at one time to do like a more 721 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,200 thorough search of a region or search a bigger area 722 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,160 or something like that too. So it seems like there's 723 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,880 you know, quite a lot of mechanics built around it 724 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,480 rather than just like that simple premise that we mentioned earlier. 725 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,200 So I really like that quick beef about the objective's 726 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,319 map though, and this is something I always love to 727 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:19,079 bring up. Once again, I could be an idiot, but 728 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,160 I did have to google this and there was other 729 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,720 people who had the same issue. The first time you 730 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,759 get popped up with the objective map, it's like, Okay, 731 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,640 pick a quest you want to do. I hovered around 732 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,759 for so long. I'm going on these icons, I'm hitting 733 00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:32,839 a nothing's happening. 734 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,759 Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell is going on? I clicked 735 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:36,519 on every one of them, probably five or six times. 736 00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:39,000 I'm like, what in the world is the game bugged out? 737 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,720 What is happening here? 738 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: Go on trusty Reddit search it up. And it turns 739 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,559 out that there's like a little minier peg underneath the 740 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,440 people's faces, and you have to click on that peg 741 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:51,240 to like actually select the quest. Once again, I could 742 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,720 be dumb, but you know, according to my backlog dot com, 743 00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:55,400 I've played like over eight hundred games in my life, 744 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,960 and the fact that I, who have played all these games, 745 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,599 could not figure out how to select the quest, which 746 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,559 is one of the first thing gets to do in 747 00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:03,240 the game, Like, how did that get through testing? They 748 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:05,359 delayed this game? Did that not come up in these 749 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,599 last few months? So a little bit pick there. Of course, 750 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,680 once you figured out, you never forget it. It's a 751 00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:10,279 basic thing. 752 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:12,279 Speaker 2: But didn't like that. 753 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: I felt really dumb early on. I don't like when 754 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:17,039 games make me feel dumb, unless it's like Eldon Ring. 755 00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:18,640 I guess that's kind of the purpose of those games, 756 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,680 but anyway, minor beef there, but otherwise, I think the 757 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,119 objective map is really cool. I like how it kind 758 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,960 of separates your quest in a more visual way. I'm 759 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,839 a very visual person, so it's much nicer for me 760 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,079 to do that rather than having like one long ass 761 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,720 vertical list, which I'm sure for a game like this, 762 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,039 you're gonna eventually get so many quests that that would 763 00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:35,400 be so overwhelming to sort through. 764 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: So I think it's nice to have it that way. 765 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: And then one thing I'm curious about I haven't really 766 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,519 seen yet is Outer Wilds of my favorite games has 767 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:43,039 a map similar like this that is more of a 768 00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:45,319 mystery game though, And like when you get when you're 769 00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:47,599 getting certain pegs on the map, it's making connections, is 770 00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:49,559 like drawing lines between them, so you know, like, oh, 771 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,839 there's some way that you know this moon in this 772 00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:54,319 you know tech base on this other planet is connected, 773 00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:55,839 and you can kind of go figure that out. I 774 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,720 don't know if that's gonna happen here where it'll eventually 775 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,400 like draw lines between like oh, this gang is connected 776 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,640 to this other quest thing over here, and it'll make connections. 777 00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:04,519 Not sure, but even if it's just what it is 778 00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:06,599 right now where it's like, here's your ring of enemies 779 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,240 and they're all tied together, and then it like you know, 780 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,519 funnels the quest out in like a skill tree sort 781 00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:14,839 of way so you can like look at it all nicely. 782 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,960 I think it's it's really cool and it makes me 783 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:19,720 much more engaged with the quests, and I don't know, 784 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,279 I quite like it, so I'm I'm joining that part 785 00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:24,200 of the game. I think it's just adds a little 786 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,599 bit more flavor to like the open worldy, mindless open 787 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,119 worldy thing that I feel like. These Ubisoft games are 788 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:31,039 often criticized of. 789 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I could not agree more. 790 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 3: The little icons underneath the icons. 791 00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:39,319 Speaker 2: It's just so annoying, and it's like, Okay, you got 792 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,240 one guy that you're trying to get to to kill, 793 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,079 and you got to do the different quests to unlock 794 00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,200 the ability to kill him or assassinate him, and it's 795 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:49,279 like you select one of the little icons because there's 796 00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:51,759 three underneath, and that doesn't select all of them in 797 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:54,359 a chain. You gotta select that one and then you're 798 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,640 done that. Then you select the next game next, which 799 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,640 is very annoying. It would be nice if it just 800 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,640 you could click on the big character and then it 801 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,720 would be like, Okay, we're gonna just querry up you 802 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:09,039 know these this, then this as you progressively get through it. Yeah, 803 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,000 what are you doing with it right now? 804 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: Are you like, Okay, each time, I want to try 805 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,440 and find this person on my own, and then when 806 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,640 I get frustrated and I can't find them, then I 807 00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:18,279 expend a scout. Are you like immediately I want to 808 00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:20,559 drop a scout or you really? I feel like the 809 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,720 scouts are so hard to find right now, Like they're 810 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,839 pretty far view and far between, so I'm trying to 811 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,400 like save them first. I'm trying to see if I 812 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,160 can go find this thing on my own. But sometimes 813 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,640 it's like, Okay, you ought to find one guy in 814 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,680 a huge city and he's like might be inside, So. 815 00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: It's like it can be hard to do sometimes. Yeah, 816 00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:39,279 I mean I've I've I've dropped a couple scouts, but 817 00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:43,720 for the most part, I'm the Yeah, I'm just kind 818 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,400 of going in on my own and just trying to 819 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,839 do it do it on my own. They completely changed 820 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:51,400 how egle vision works in this, which is massive because 821 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,880 before you were flying an eagle right just what was 822 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,880 introduced in origins all the way up to mirage where 823 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,240 you're looking down you're literally highlighting all the en means 824 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:02,279 in a base and then you just switch back to 825 00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:04,200 your character and they're all highlighted red. 826 00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 3: You go in and you have, you know, a killing spree. 827 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:08,960 So this time around it's very different. 828 00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:11,599 Speaker 2: You can't run while you've activated it, which is you know, 829 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,280 just like the original Assassin's Creed where if you run, 830 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,679 it deactivates your ego vision. So I think using that 831 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,280 is definitely it's it's nice. And then to target certain 832 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,239 people though, it's different because you use the left trigger 833 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,000 and then you can zoom in. And this took me 834 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:29,400 a minute to get used to be cause it was 835 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,360 in the prologue when you're trying to find like the 836 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,559 people that hunted the deer, and it was like I'm 837 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,280 running around like what the fuck am I looking for? 838 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,280 And then I finally I realized, oh, I got to 839 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,039 hold the left trigger and the bush I on the distance, 840 00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:44,559 I could see two blue pings, Like is that what 841 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:45,599 I need to go look for? 842 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:46,679 Speaker 3: Holy shit? 843 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 2: So again it's like the other thing that you're talking about, 844 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,079 just once it happens like you're never gonna forget it 845 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:54,360 because it's such a pain in the ass. So that's 846 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,320 that's what's sorry, go ahead, No. 847 00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm just adding that it's like, it's surprising me that 848 00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:01,960 that is happening for you, like me as a just 849 00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:04,440 a general gamer, but for you specifically, someone who's played 850 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,559 like all these games, Like it surprised me that there's 851 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:10,400 like still all these seemingly like small ui issues. And 852 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,039 maybe it's like just part of the style that they 853 00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,760 want this game to be very stylized in that Japanese 854 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,119 sort of way, and they're trying to unify everything, like 855 00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:19,559 even as you're talking about like the blue the blue dots, 856 00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:21,559 and there's like yellow dots for like loot right blue 857 00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,039 are people yellow or lute generally speaking, I guess. And 858 00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:27,320 that's similar to like the color coding of like combat right, 859 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,800 where you have like blue strikes which can be paired 860 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,559 but they'll still come in a flurry, and then there's 861 00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:34,360 like white attacks that can just be paired by default, 862 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,880 and then red just can't be paired at all. So 863 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,039 it seems like they're trying to keep these I don't know, 864 00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:41,199 color coding and things consistent, but it ends up just 865 00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:43,079 being a little bit muddied because it's like kind of 866 00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,559 unclear what these things mean that sometimes. 867 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean on that note of the of 868 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,800 the combat, it's it feels very very refined, very smooth, 869 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,199 and I feel like when you look at Origins, it's 870 00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:58,840 very like you got a big, powerful guy in front 871 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,360 of you and you're like you're sneak like moving to 872 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,079 the left, over to the right, dodging around, and it 873 00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:07,039 feels bricky. Of course, that's the first time they were 874 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,960 really doing their massive combat overhaul. Odysty improves on a 875 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,719 little bit, but it's still very much the same Valhalla. 876 00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:17,039 It was just too chaotic, I felt, and that's me 877 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,199 kind of just shitting on that game. 878 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 3: A little bit more. 879 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 2: Mirage was nice. Mirage felt a little bit more refined, 880 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,840 a lot more smoother. Now in this you have to 881 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,199 take into account that they've added this whole parkour system, 882 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,039 and so the parkour system feels very very bricky to me. 883 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,239 It does not feel very smooth as I would have 884 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,119 liked it to be. I feel like it's good and 885 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,360 I like it, but there are certain things where I'm 886 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,719 trying to like and maybe it's even just the way 887 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,880 that design certain things in the map because I'm having 888 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,159 trouble moving my characters through certain things in towns and 889 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,239 doing certain things. But like the sliding around is fun 890 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,400 and moving through buildings is cool. I do feel like 891 00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:58,000 sometimes it is like an extra delay second when my 892 00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:00,079 character is running on a roof and does like a 893 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:02,599 triple backflip off, and it's like, man, I don't need 894 00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:04,280 to do that, as cool as it looks, I just 895 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,239 need to get out of here. 896 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,679 Speaker 1: But so is the is the new feature that you 897 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,880 can just climb anything at any point? Is that what 898 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:11,000 kind of what you're talking about? 899 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's it's climbing anything, but just it feels 900 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,800 a little bit choppy, like bricky. It doesn't feel smooth 901 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,039 as I'm climbing these things and as I'm jumping off 902 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:24,119 these things and moving around. Especially I've had times where 903 00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:26,760 I'm trying to climb up a pole but my character 904 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,119 leans up against it like they're looking around a corner. 905 00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:32,440 It's like, that's really kind of annoying. I need to 906 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,920 climb up, not huddle around the Yeah, yeah, I don't. 907 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,519 I didn't know what you mean. I feel like, yeah, 908 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:38,920 a lot of the times it's like, oh, this is 909 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,800 automatically moving me in the exact perfect way I want 910 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:42,400 my character too. 911 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: But then other times it's like, oh, but I also 912 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,079 still have to hit a to like do this jump. 913 00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:47,920 But other times she will do like the jump on 914 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,440 her own. It's like, yeah, it's a little bit unclear 915 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:52,800 at certain points, but I think there is a lot 916 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,719 of really nice I mean a lot of time it 917 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:55,440 does flow really well. 918 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,199 Speaker 2: But man, I don't know if you did. 919 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,679 Speaker 1: Did you do the early quest where you have to 920 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,519 like you have to get a you have to get 921 00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:00,719 a robe, And I think there's a couple of ways 922 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,119 can do it, but like the main ways like go 923 00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:03,920 out to this pirate ship get some silk, and then 924 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,639 like bring it back to lady and like on one 925 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:08,119 of the ships where the silk is. It's like in 926 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,199 between like a ring of boxes and I it took 927 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,840 me probably three minutes, which may not sound like a lot, 928 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,239 but it is when you're just trying to pick something 929 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,519 up of like trying to maneuver my character on top 930 00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:20,199 of this box in a way so I would close 931 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,880 enough to like the prompt to pop up to like 932 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,599 open the box, and I just kept jumping up and 933 00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,360 down this box doing yeah, as you're saying, like backflips 934 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,360 and stuff, but I want to't want to, So yeah, 935 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,400 I think it's it's sometimes having like the full the 936 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,480 automatic kind of parkour stuff is a bit a bit much. 937 00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:38,280 I'd like a little more control sometimes, So I'm hoping 938 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,760 that something that as you know, we get deeper in 939 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,840 the game, where he just kind of becomes second nature. 940 00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:44,519 And there are some like I think the animation work 941 00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,519 in this game is fantastic, like combat wise, stealth wise, 942 00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:49,599 but even just movement things like you know, so many 943 00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:51,559 games have you walked on like a tight rope, you know, 944 00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:53,679 whether it's like a telephone pole, like you know, the 945 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,559 wire or something like that, And in this game, I 946 00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:57,519 feel like most games don't. They don't have anything above 947 00:38:57,559 --> 00:38:59,559 those you can keep walking across them. But in this 948 00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:01,840 like the keep going up and then your character does 949 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,559 like the shimmy where like she'll hold onto the pole 950 00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:05,559 and like do a little swing around like keep going. 951 00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:07,800 It's a little thing, but I feel like I've never 952 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,960 seen a game do that animation before, and so I 953 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:12,599 just like we found myself extra impressed by it, and 954 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,840 so much of her movements are fantastic, even her crawl 955 00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:19,239 is like freaking gallam like crawling through the mountains. It 956 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,480 is so satisfying. It's so like Spider like and satisfying. 957 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,760 And like I love when you're prone and you like 958 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,559 click back on the stick and she does I don't 959 00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:28,679 know what she does, but like a contortion. It just 960 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,360 like flips her body around, like do a one to 961 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,199 eighty flip. And then the assassinations out of the prone 962 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,840 are so cool, where you like spin around, get their 963 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,079 legs out, stab them in the face. Just in general, 964 00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:41,559 like the animation, like the finishing moves, all that stuff. 965 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,360 Animal animation work is like top notch in this game 966 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,039 looks so great, especially like anything when you're jumping off 967 00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:49,760 a roof to take someone out, general combat stuff, the movement. 968 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,679 I think they really did a good job with the floorish. 969 00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:53,840 And that adds on the fact that this game looks 970 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,199 beautiful and like the outfits look super cool. So you 971 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,679 just feel super sick when you're playing this game. That's 972 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:00,280 how I I feel. 973 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 2: At least, Yeah, you really really do. And I just 974 00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:07,119 I think it's it's a lot of fun how they've 975 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:10,480 managed to really make her. I mean, she's yeah Ninja 976 00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:13,760 assassin and just like you said, the movement's crawling around 977 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,079 through the grass is fun. And even going underwater and 978 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,880 getting that ability where you have the little like bamboo 979 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:20,920 shoot tube thing and. 980 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 3: It just lets you breathe under I haven't unlocked that 981 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,119 one yet, but I saw that on there. It's it's 982 00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:27,079 it's fun. It's very very enjoyable. 983 00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:30,280 Speaker 2: And yeah, just being able to you know, you get 984 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,960 it right away, and it kind of bothers me at 985 00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:35,800 times how to use it because I wish and I'm 986 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,559 pretty sure it's an upgrade though, when you can use 987 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:39,920 like your grappling hook and different scenarios a little bit more. 988 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,519 I'm sure that there's an upgrade for it that I 989 00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:44,400 just haven't come across. But it is nice to use 990 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,280 it in certain situations where you just throw it up. 991 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,239 You can go up to a roof and like keep 992 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,199 going up and climbing and whatnot. Then you can like 993 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,679 use it to like swing across caverns and stuff like that. 994 00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 3: That's kind of fun. There's another point I wanted to 995 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,199 mention with her. Oh yeah, some of the executions. I 996 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,800 love it, and it caught me off guard. 997 00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:03,559 Speaker 2: Maybe it's just because I forgot how violent the other 998 00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:05,559 ones are, but I don't remember any of the Assassin's 999 00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:10,079 Creed games being particularly this crazy. Just when I was 1000 00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:14,760 doing my first major killing animation and you kick the 1001 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,559 guy down and then you just do like a spin 1002 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,480 and you bring your catana and like cut the guy's 1003 00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:22,960 head clean off and the head just falls and rolls away. 1004 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 3: I was like, holy shit, this is crazy, man. 1005 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,039 Speaker 1: I went, I went up to this one base and 1006 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:32,320 you've maybe done this mission too, where you just have 1007 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,960 to take out some guy. He's at a base and 1008 00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:36,119 like him and his troops have been like straight just 1009 00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,880 decapitating people. It's like all around their base there's just 1010 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:39,960 heads on like tables. 1011 00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:40,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah. 1012 00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 1: And I was crawling through there and I got to 1013 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,679 this one point where I'm like, okay, I'm a little down, 1014 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,360 like this little rock cliff's So there's a little tiny 1015 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,840 rock cliff and like a table and then like a 1016 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,079 guard standing there. And I stood there for probably like 1017 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:54,480 two minutes just waiting for this guard to like walk away. 1018 00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:56,800 I'm like this guy's face, he's just looking straight at me. 1019 00:41:57,159 --> 00:41:59,400 When's this fucking guy gonna turn around? I can't do 1020 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,760 anything to get around the guy anyway. 1021 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,800 Speaker 2: From turning around, and then I eventually realized that it 1022 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,480 was just a decapitated head on a table and it 1023 00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:09,159 was never gonna move. But his eyes were open. He 1024 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,199 was looking right at me, So eventually I realized that 1025 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,559 that I could sneak up and get by him, which 1026 00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,000 was which was hilarious, but okay, another funny thing with 1027 00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:18,960 the with the park ord in the automatic movement, I 1028 00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:20,880 think the funniest thing for me. It's funny, but also 1029 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,960 knowing is like, man, if you get within like I 1030 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,960 don't know a poll's length of any hay baiale, your 1031 00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:29,239 character is leaping in there. If you go anywhere to 1032 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,039 a haybil just automatically goes full cat just die right 1033 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,679 into it, which a little frustrated at times, but it 1034 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,840 also makes me laugh, so you know, it's it's a 1035 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,079 trade off that's worthy. I guess. 1036 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:39,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1037 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 2: That spit me in the butt a few times where 1038 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,519 I'm I'm dealing with about four guys. One of them 1039 00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:43,960 is one of my. 1040 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 3: Targets, and I'll be in a corner and. 1041 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 2: There's there's a freaking haybale there and I'm trying to 1042 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,480 move but he keeps jumping in. 1043 00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:51,679 Speaker 3: I get out, yeah, and then it's such a pain. 1044 00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, hay bales are not like tall grass. You can't 1045 00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:57,559 just like walk into them casually. 1046 00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,519 Speaker 1: You have to do a badass jump in which I'm 1047 00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,519 sure makes a lot more noise than if you just 1048 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,079 silently walked into them. 1049 00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, we don't worry about that. 1050 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 1: I do think the addition of prone is fun for 1051 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,559 the stealth because you still move pretty quick, but not 1052 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,119 you know, not a lot of games actually allow you 1053 00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:15,079 to go prone, and if you do, you're so sluggish, 1054 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:16,599 so it's not really worth it. But I think that 1055 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,239 it's cool that there's like different levels of tall grass 1056 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,079 in this game. That adds a little bit more variety 1057 00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:23,320 to the stealth. And on top of that, it's like, Okay, 1058 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,199 I can extinguish these lights or I can like take 1059 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,800 them out from a distance, and just thinking about that stuff. 1060 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,639 So obviously, you know, they've been doing stealth since the 1061 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,719 very beginning of the series, and so that's something that 1062 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,679 is very refined. And as a big stealth game fan, 1063 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,519 I'm really enjoying the mechanics here. I think there's a 1064 00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:38,719 lot of really good stuff in there. So that's, like 1065 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,519 I said, that's been my go to style, and even 1066 00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:42,599 I remember back in the marketing we were kind of 1067 00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:44,559 showing like, okay, you can even play as stealthy, cool 1068 00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:47,559 ninja girl, or you can play as big strong samurai 1069 00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:48,360 combat guy. 1070 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 2: And I guess you unlock him later. Have you unlocked 1071 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,679 him yet to where you are in the story? 1072 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 3: I haven' unlocked him yet. 1073 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 2: No. Yeah, I've heard that it's pretty late in the game. 1074 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,840 I don't know. I don't know how long the game is, 1075 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,079 so I don't know what that really means. But I 1076 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:01,760 thought it would be a lot sooner because you start 1077 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,719 off the game with him right. 1078 00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you start in like the opening kind of sequence, 1079 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,519 and then you switch to her and get more of 1080 00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:10,639 her story. But I mean, I'm fine with it because 1081 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,880 like I was gonna play as her the whole time. Anyway, 1082 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,760 I don't really an interested in that play style, especially 1083 00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:16,719 after playing more of the combat, which you can talk 1084 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,000 about it a bit. It's not really my thing. I 1085 00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:19,679 just want to I just want to be cool stealth 1086 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,599 ninja person. So I would probably just continue to play 1087 00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:23,880 this character. But I don't know if it's going to 1088 00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:26,320 forcibly switch because I thought that was like you could 1089 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,440 choose and that was like part of the marketing is 1090 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,000 like do you want to go in loud or do 1091 00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:30,440 you want to. 1092 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:31,760 Speaker 2: Go in quiet? So it'd make me think that once 1093 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,719 you unlock him, you would be stealthy. 1094 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,559 Speaker 1: But then like naturally there'd be like story sequences that 1095 00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:37,280 only he would do, right, Like he probably gets a 1096 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,679 different peg on the objective board. 1097 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 2: So well, that's like syndicate back with Evie and Jacob Fry. 1098 00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:45,920 There were some missions where you had to play as 1099 00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:49,000 the other, right, and totally okay with that. Totally okay, 1100 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,800 And it's very similar because Eve was absolutely stealth and 1101 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,079 Jacob was more hands on like re warse. Yeah, it's 1102 00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:57,920 a Sasha and that's right. So I think that's what's 1103 00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,840 going to be happening here, and I'm totally okay with that. 1104 00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:03,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha. Uh, maybe we could talk a little bit 1105 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,440 more about the combat. So yeah, this is you know, 1106 00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:09,519 has the very classic combat of enemies are gonna hit 1107 00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:11,079 you with these as I mentioned, the white, red or 1108 00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:13,360 like blue strikes or maybe there's yellow in there too, 1109 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,039 I can't remember, but like these different strikes and I 1110 00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:18,440 really don't like these combat systems. To me, it just 1111 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,639 feels like I'm playing Guitar Hero, and I love Guitar Hero, 1112 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,400 but it just feels like I'm oh, there's a blue button, Okay, 1113 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,719 I'll hit the blue button now, okay, hit the blue button. Now, 1114 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,039 hit the blue button now, okay, And I hit the 1115 00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:27,519 white button. 1116 00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:27,800 Speaker 2: Okay. 1117 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,320 Speaker 1: Now I can like get three or four strikes in 1118 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,119 before they reset their stance and do it again. 1119 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:32,800 Speaker 2: And I'm sure you're on a log a bunch of stuff. 1120 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 1: And I'm not really using the tools a lot, because 1121 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,239 oh my god, it's the different like bumpers and the 1122 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,239 different menus, which is funny that Ghost of the Stream 1123 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,039 I had the same issue where there's so much stances 1124 00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:43,800 and tools and things, and whenever I would like come 1125 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,239 back to the game after a few months of not 1126 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,679 playing it, it would always take me like fifteen twenty 1127 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,880 minutes of like, how the hell do you control this? U? 1128 00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 2: I like, move these buttons around. You get used to 1129 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:52,360 it over time. 1130 00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:54,320 Speaker 1: But maybe I'm not using the full tool set yet, 1131 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,000 but I just I'm finding it pretty bland so far. 1132 00:45:57,159 --> 00:45:58,920 This is not really my type of combat system, and 1133 00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:01,199 so I'm trying my best to be a stealthy ninja 1134 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,079 because I don't want to have to go into a 1135 00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:05,440 big fight and you know, it works fine against a 1136 00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:08,199 boss and it's like it's good enough, but like it 1137 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,159 just doesn't really move the needle for me, unfortunately. But 1138 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,000 how are you feeling about it? It sounded like you 1139 00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,440 were liking it more than Valhalla. At least I am 1140 00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:16,760 liking it more than Valhalla. 1141 00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:19,280 Speaker 2: I think it's fun when you can you just got 1142 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,559 to try to either force your opponent to break or 1143 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,400 just wait for an opening you can do. You can 1144 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,800 unlock more abilities to quickly counter do different types of damage, 1145 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,559 different attacks. 1146 00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:32,760 Speaker 3: I guess that sort of stuff, but I like that 1147 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:33,280 as well. 1148 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:39,360 Speaker 2: You can unlock actual abilities where you're basically holding down 1149 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,599 your attack and then you're summoning. 1150 00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:45,800 Speaker 3: It kind of pops up like. 1151 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,079 Speaker 2: Like a four icons that you can do like these 1152 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,079 actual abilities. So when you are holding down one of 1153 00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:56,000 your attack buttons either I'm pretty sure there's just light 1154 00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:58,480 attack maybe you're heavy or your light attack, whatever you're 1155 00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,880 going to for your strike, and you're holding that at 1156 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,239 tack button down, then you see the four icons pop 1157 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:03,719 up and then you can hit like your why to 1158 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,800 actually do like another execution like superability, that kind of stuff, 1159 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,440 and I like that. I think that's a lot of fun. 1160 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,800 That's a little bit more versatility to the way you're 1161 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,440 taking out your opponents. But yeah, I just think where 1162 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,599 Origins and co were very blocky, when you're dodging to 1163 00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:21,199 the side, moving out of the way, and it just 1164 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,920 be like, Okay, one solid sweep attack from your enemy 1165 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,280 will just decimate you. You can still take a lot 1166 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,400 of damage in this case, but you have a bit 1167 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,039 more control over it because you're customizing with different armor 1168 00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:33,639 and putting on different things, equipping different things, different weapons 1169 00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:37,079 and whatnot. And so I really do enjoy how it 1170 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,440 just feels a little bit more contained and smooth because 1171 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,159 I can roll backwards and then I can kind of 1172 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,920 just make my opponent kind of come to me a 1173 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,039 little bit, and then I can do like a heavy attack, 1174 00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:51,440 break part of their armor off, and then I can 1175 00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:53,840 just start dealing a few quick blows, or I can 1176 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,920 roll back and start throwing some of my throwing knives 1177 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:57,320 at them. 1178 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,519 Speaker 3: So yeah, just different diferent ways to combo it up. 1179 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 2: Nice. 1180 00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:05,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you're enjoying it more than I am. 1181 00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:07,920 How About we take our last break of the show 1182 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,480 and we'll be right back for some more Assassin's Creed chatter. 1183 00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:14,400 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. Okay, we are back. 1184 00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:16,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, as you kind of mentioned, they're talking about 1185 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,440 just some of the things you can unlock and add 1186 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,920 to your skill tree. You know this, this skill tree 1187 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,719 is not doing it for me. Something I frequently critique 1188 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,280 about games like this. I just feel like the skill 1189 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,159 trees are not very well made. They're not giving me 1190 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,079 interesting things. And there are some exceptions. There are some 1191 00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:33,719 cool things in here, like as you mentioned, the swimming 1192 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,840 underwater thing, Like that's a cool ability to have in 1193 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:36,440 a skill tree. 1194 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:36,800 Speaker 3: I like that. 1195 00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:40,840 Speaker 1: But Taylor, when I saw the ability put a skill 1196 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,440 point into do two percent more damage at night, I 1197 00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:45,800 almost fucking turned the game off. 1198 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,280 Speaker 2: Who the fuck cares about doing that? 1199 00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: That is the most like most games, you know, ten 1200 00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:54,519 to fifteen percent is like, okay, that's uninteresting and boring. 1201 00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:56,280 Speaker 2: That's such a small amount. I'm not gonna notice that 1202 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,639 two percent at night. This is so dumb and like 1203 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,880 all some more like that, do two percent more damage 1204 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,559 when you're low held, do two percent more damage against 1205 00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:06,599 like certain types of enemies, and you know, I guess 1206 00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:09,639 that stuff would stack over time, But my god, that 1207 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,800 is like pretty pretty sparse if that's the kind of 1208 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,480 skill trees we have in here, and so there are 1209 00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,480 of course exceptions. There's different tools and interesting things you 1210 00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,199 can get in there, like double assassinations from the air. 1211 00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:22,079 Cool things in there too, but a lot of it. 1212 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,159 Speaker 1: Like it's a bad time when I boot up a game, 1213 00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:26,280 I get the first few levels, I look at the 1214 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,679 skill train, I don't even bother leveling anything. 1215 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 2: And I just don't think about it for a few hours. 1216 00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:31,559 Speaker 1: That is not a good sign, Like I should be 1217 00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:33,519 excited every time I level level, but oh, I can't 1218 00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:35,960 wait to spend that point. I like, there's certain things 1219 00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:37,719 up the tree I'm really excited for. I can't wait 1220 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,320 to get to them. And then I think the other 1221 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,679 thing about that too, is and maybe you can explain 1222 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,159 this to me, there's like a knowledge a knowledge system. 1223 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:45,960 So there was like in the Shnobi or like the stealth, 1224 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,679 you know, part of the skill tree. There's like other 1225 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,199 things that are are interesting and I want to get, 1226 00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:52,840 but it's like, oh, you need more knowledge level, and 1227 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,440 like I don't know how I'm how I get this 1228 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,159 knowledge level thing, and they're just locked out until I 1229 00:49:58,199 --> 00:49:58,440 get that. 1230 00:49:58,519 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 2: I've got one or two. 1231 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,679 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell they were just for certain skill trees 1232 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,280 or if I have to expend those somehow. 1233 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,519 Speaker 2: I was lost. I didn't know what the heck was 1234 00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:08,519 going on there, I believe, because yeah, it's like knowledge points, 1235 00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:11,280 right that you get. I'm yeah, pretty sure because I've 1236 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,719 gotten a few, and you get them by doing certain 1237 00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:18,159 things like for example, I went to one city and 1238 00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:20,039 there were three different shrines to pray at. 1239 00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:21,760 Speaker 1: I prayed at all three of them, and I got 1240 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,639 a knowledge point. Okay, Now is that a universal knowledge 1241 00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:26,440 point or was that like for a specific skill tree. 1242 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,000 Speaker 2: I don't know that. I don't know. 1243 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,800 Speaker 1: And did you have to expend it or did it 1244 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,280 automatically just like give you more knowledge level in certain skill. 1245 00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:38,199 Speaker 3: Trees that I don't know get still learning? 1246 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 2: Still learning? 1247 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me know if you figure that out, because 1248 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,599 I don't get it. I'm sure I could just google 1249 00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:46,199 it real quick. But anyway, that was something confusing to me. 1250 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 2: But I don't know. Are are you having a similar 1251 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,280 experience of the skill tree as me? Are you? I 1252 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,880 don't know? Finding at a little bit more engaging. There 1253 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,480 are times where I do forget that, hey, I actually 1254 00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:56,559 have like four points I can use, and so I'll 1255 00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:58,559 make a point to go into the page like, Okay, 1256 00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:01,000 let's slap these on to whatever. 1257 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,280 Speaker 3: I want and I need here. 1258 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,480 Speaker 2: But yeah, there's not really anything that's really super exciting. 1259 00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:07,719 It's the things like, oh, you can breathe under a 1260 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,039 small bit of water for an extended amount of time 1261 00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,000 if you get this little bamboo shoot thing. 1262 00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:13,079 Speaker 3: So those are abilities. 1263 00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:16,320 Speaker 2: Yes, I want that, other fighting abilities to for combat, 1264 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:16,960 I want those. 1265 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 3: Those are some things that I'm looking forward to unlocking 1266 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:19,719 more of. 1267 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,079 Speaker 2: But yeah, there's not necessarily any poll to get two 1268 00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:25,840 percent extra damage at night, Like that's that's bullshit. But 1269 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,920 I do like the concept behind it. I think that's 1270 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,079 fun because we have a day at night cycle. We 1271 00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,800 have a four season cycle in this game. It's beautiful, 1272 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,639 it's wonderful. So I think that's awesome to think, Okay, 1273 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,239 you have different benefits to doing certain missions at night 1274 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,320 versus daytime. 1275 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,400 Speaker 3: So that's really really a cool case. 1276 00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 2: Miss on that two percent damage, Taylor. 1277 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,239 Speaker 3: No, that's huge. I could make or break you your 1278 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,159 your mission there. 1279 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,519 Speaker 2: Maybe you need one less strike to kill a boss 1280 00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:51,280 than you did before. 1281 00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:54,639 Speaker 3: Exactly. 1282 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 2: There's a cool uh another ability that they've added in 1283 00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:01,599 here that I was not expecting. So it's the I 1284 00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:05,199 think it's called the show Shoji's it's the it's the 1285 00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,400 type of Japanese sixteenth century Japanese door that has like 1286 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,280 the paper on it with the one on the wooden frame, 1287 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,559 and they close and open. You can open and close them. 1288 00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:14,800 Speaker 3: In this game. You can go into the homes. It's 1289 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,960 super super cool. I like that. And yet when you 1290 00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:21,239 go in and you can like, uh, terminate the lights, 1291 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,119 I can't remember what extinguished that. Yeah, you. 1292 00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:28,039 Speaker 2: Can extinguish the light source in there, which just cool. 1293 00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:30,360 And then you can when you do that, you can 1294 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,480 see the light from outside and the shadows of like 1295 00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:35,679 enemy guards standing outside of these doors, and you can 1296 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,079 unlock the ability to assassinate where you stab your Katanna 1297 00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:42,719 through like the paper door and like assassinate them and 1298 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,519 then pull it out. It's just it's super cool. 1299 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,639 Speaker 1: I haven't I have unlocked that ability, and I don't 1300 00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:48,920 think I've encountered an enemy in a position to kill 1301 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,840 them yet that way. But I guess, yeah, a good 1302 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,639 point that I need to be thinking more about, Like, Okay, 1303 00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:56,119 where are the doors? Can I kind of close this 1304 00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:57,920 door and then then do that or something like that. 1305 00:52:58,119 --> 00:52:59,800 So yeah, I'll definitely keep an eye out for that. 1306 00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:00,519 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 1307 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,599 Speaker 1: Let's see where do we want to go next. Maybe 1308 00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:05,199 talk a little bit more about like some of the quests. 1309 00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:07,320 I don't know if there's any highlight quests and things. 1310 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,039 One that I that I did enjoy was a simple 1311 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,400 US I forget they had a word for it, but 1312 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,360 anyway's pretty much like a parkour challenge, like you just 1313 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,039 had to climb this mountain, jumping through these different things, 1314 00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:18,719 and you know, I was fallowing the yellow paint and 1315 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,559 it was kind of basic, but it was fun because 1316 00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:22,480 I think the movement, like when it is working, is 1317 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,880 pretty engaging. I think it works especially well in a 1318 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,880 situation like that that is designed for you to move 1319 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,920 on a linear path instead of like going through a 1320 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,800 city that is so intricate and there's boxes and rooftops everywhere. 1321 00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:33,760 Speaker 2: So I enjoyed that when I thought that was cool. 1322 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,119 Speaker 1: And then one I thought was really interesting was there's 1323 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,039 as I mentioned that section where you got to you're 1324 00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:42,280 essentially gonna go to a tea party, and so you 1325 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,599 want to try and fit in because you're just like 1326 00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:45,599 a lowly commoner, so you've never been to a fancy 1327 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,360 tea party, don't know what's going on here. So there's 1328 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,679 like a couple of lead up quests that you have 1329 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,400 to do into that, where you have to like get 1330 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,320 clothing and then you'll like learn some of the etiquette, 1331 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,920 and then you'll have to acquire a gift and then 1332 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,360 you'll go to this party. And what I liked about 1333 00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:59,880 that as well is like, because I'm gonna be honest, 1334 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,559 I'm skipping a lot of cutscenes, I'm hitting be a lot, 1335 00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:05,400 or I'm where it's I'm not gonna lie. 1336 00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:06,800 Speaker 2: I will be totally honest about that. 1337 00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:08,360 Speaker 1: But I felt like for that one, I was like, 1338 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:09,960 I gotta pay attention here because I actually want to 1339 00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:11,519 learn these things. And I was like, there's no way 1340 00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:13,039 the game is actually gonna make me have to know 1341 00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:14,440 this stuff, right, Like I'm just gonna get to the 1342 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:14,800 cut scene. 1343 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:15,679 Speaker 2: The character's gonna do it. 1344 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,920 Speaker 1: But then hole, we got to the cut scene and 1345 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,400 it's like, how do you want to bow? You gotta 1346 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,400 bow the right way or these people are gonna like 1347 00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:23,400 sniff you out, or I don't know what the consequences 1348 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,559 are if you mess these things up. And then there's 1349 00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:27,280 even mohere you gotta like turn your tea cup in 1350 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,440 a specific way. And I did pay attention for that 1351 00:54:29,519 --> 00:54:32,239 cut scene, but in the moment, I did not know 1352 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,719 which way I was supposed to turn it. I mess 1353 00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:34,400 it up, and the guy I. 1354 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,800 Speaker 2: Was like, Oh, it's fucking amateur. Thislander was going on 1355 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,119 here and I felt that. I felt that, and I 1356 00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:43,039 was like, that's cool. I like that one of the 1357 00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:45,519 quests of this game forced me to learn like proper 1358 00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:47,039 tea et to quit and I fucked that up, and 1359 00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:48,880 then I, you know, what was the Consequest's not like 1360 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,239 I got killed or anything. I had to restart. 1361 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,360 Speaker 3: He'll be the main villain at the end of the game. 1362 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:55,280 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll come back and that'll be like his taunt 1363 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,199 to me is he'll like turn the tea cup twice and. 1364 00:54:57,199 --> 00:54:58,039 Speaker 2: Then they'll come at me. 1365 00:54:59,239 --> 00:54:59,880 Speaker 3: But I really like that. 1366 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,280 Speaker 2: I thought that was a really cool quest. 1367 00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:04,320 Speaker 1: And then the so that one the I guess, you know, 1368 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,320 I guess the light spoiler for this early game quest. 1369 00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:09,199 But the way that that one ends is you're kind 1370 00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:11,000 of going around this party. You're trying to get the 1371 00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:12,920 proper etiquette, but then you're also trying to suss out 1372 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,199 three different perps to determine which one is the target 1373 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,320 that you're actually going after. And once again, this takes 1374 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,440 some brain power, doesn't just give you the answer, it 1375 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,519 doesn't eliminate one of them. So it essentially becomes like 1376 00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:23,519 a fifty to fifty which one of these is the people? 1377 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,880 And honestly, after talking to them and after this tea party, 1378 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,519 I had no freaking clue I had. 1379 00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:29,320 Speaker 2: I was like, what clues am I missing here? I 1380 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,519 didn't realize I was, you know, playing Return of the Open. 1381 00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:34,440 Did I totally missed some of these details here. I 1382 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,119 wasn't doing enough snooping around And so it comes to 1383 00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:38,920 the end in quest, I'm like, I don't know. That 1384 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,719 girl was kind of sus I guess I guess I'll 1385 00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,519 pick her, And then it like skips out of the 1386 00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:44,440 cut scene and she's like running down the street away 1387 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,119 from me because I guess I've like declared warning her 1388 00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:47,840 once again, I probably skipped a cut scene here, and 1389 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,239 so I'm just running in the streets. And also the 1390 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,119 running assassination the animation is. 1391 00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:54,400 Speaker 1: So cool because you literally just dive with them once again, 1392 00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:56,840 like gallam stab them in the back, and then like 1393 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,360 you're in the middle of the town. So now everyone 1394 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,440 sees you her run away, wrong target, So I've just 1395 00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:03,719 killed like an innocent person. 1396 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,280 Speaker 2: And then it's funny. The funniest thing is like pops 1397 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,599 up this little dialogue and it's like, well, you know what, 1398 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,440 she wasn't the target, but she was pretty corrupt, so 1399 00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:13,639 I guess it's okay that I kill her. Anyways, I 1400 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,000 was like trying to take away some of the guilt 1401 00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:17,280 that I should be feeling. 1402 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,360 Speaker 1: For killing this innocent person, which was hilarious. And then 1403 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,000 because I messed it up, and maybe it forces you 1404 00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:24,079 to mess it up. I don't know, maybe you're forced 1405 00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:25,320 to do it so you have to go on this quest. 1406 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,280 It always tells you wrong. 1407 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:27,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. I probably just messed it up in 1408 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:28,519 an honest way. 1409 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,119 Speaker 1: But then I had to go to this whole base 1410 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,039 and I and I'm glad I messed it up because 1411 00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:33,880 I got this cool stealth sequence out of it where 1412 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,880 I had to infiltrate this this castle and she was 1413 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,079 like on top of the scaffold building that I had 1414 00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:40,280 to do this epic duo on the rooftop and it 1415 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,320 was a really cool quest. So I thought that was 1416 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,119 really cool, like the whole structure of that of like 1417 00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:46,199 the lead up to this quest in like a very 1418 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,360 non combat focused mission where you're just doing some basic things, 1419 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,440 gathering some stuff, and of course there's a little combat 1420 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,079 sequences throughout it. But then you kind of culminating this 1421 00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,480 like maybe if you paid attention and did this correctly 1422 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,960 in like a high intellect way, not just like raw power, 1423 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,199 you could like skip this part of this quest, or 1424 00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:03,320 if you mess it up, you got to do an 1425 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,880 extra like difficulty sequence. 1426 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,320 Speaker 2: And I really enjoyed that. 1427 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,039 Speaker 1: So I thought that was like a really well designed quest, 1428 00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:10,000 and I hope to see more of that stuff in here. 1429 00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,280 I don't think I've done enough to really comment on 1430 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,360 that yet, but I don't know what is your perception 1431 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,000 of the quest's been have they? Have there been other 1432 00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:17,960 ones interesting like this or do you have like a highlight. 1433 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,679 Speaker 2: Quest that you've experienced so far? Yeah, there's been there's 1434 00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:23,760 been a few very interesting ones so far, and I'm 1435 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,599 sure I'm pretty sure you've you would have done the 1436 00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:27,519 one where you're hunting, like the gunsmith's trying to get 1437 00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:30,239 information for like any of these gunsmiths, like do you 1438 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,239 sell guns with gold on them? 1439 00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:32,679 Speaker 3: Or on. 1440 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,320 Speaker 1: I've got like the first couple. I don't think i've 1441 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,079 finished yet, but I think I've started that question. 1442 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:40,719 Speaker 2: Okay, I guess there's there's two people that you kind 1443 00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,840 of you interrogate after the fact and like you're you're 1444 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,679 eavesdropping this thing, and then you have to go and 1445 00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:45,519 actually talk to them. 1446 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,960 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about Okay, yes I do know those guys, 1447 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,719 but I remember there is another gun quest thing. 1448 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So that when they were talking and they're like, oh, like, 1449 00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:56,039 you can pick what your responses are and sometimes it matters, 1450 00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:59,880 sometimes it doesn't. And so they were like, oh, I'm 1451 00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:04,679 hairphrasing here, but they go, do you serve like so 1452 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,519 and so? And then I was like, yeah, I serve 1453 00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:08,239 so and so Like oh, do you serve the son 1454 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,199 or the daughter? And I was like, oh, I serve 1455 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,119 I serve. 1456 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,400 Speaker 3: The daughter, like there is no daughter. It's like fuck, Okay, 1457 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:17,920 Well that backfired. 1458 00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:22,079 Speaker 2: But then there's other instances and other quests where it'll 1459 00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:24,920 actually say this does have an impact on this person 1460 00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:26,559 in the future, and I like that. 1461 00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,280 Speaker 3: That's that's good to know because it'll be curious to see. 1462 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 2: Okay, how does this how does this play in the 1463 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,639 future when this person was my ally and I said 1464 00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:36,599 something that they didn't like, but the other person did like. 1465 00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:39,000 And that's to me, I'm pretty sure that's new for 1466 00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:41,800 Assassin's Creed that we haven't had something where conversation actually 1467 00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:42,760 can dictate. 1468 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,800 Speaker 3: How the story could go in the future. 1469 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,000 Speaker 2: M M and I. 1470 00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:47,599 Speaker 1: One thing I noticed too, at the very start of 1471 00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:49,280 the game, when you're booting up, like, oh, which difficulty 1472 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,679 you want to play on, is they have a cannon 1473 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,840 mode where it'll just like auto select the dialogue options 1474 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,559 for you. And I don't know if that's just in 1475 00:58:56,679 --> 00:58:59,400 story sequences to like give your character a specific tone, 1476 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:00,920 or if it isn't those things too, because I think 1477 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,960 it would be disappointing if you didn't get to have 1478 00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:05,199 those moments where you had to pay attention or know 1479 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,440 these details to like have consequences of saying something wrong. 1480 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,119 Speaker 2: I don't know if canon mode removes that kind of. 1481 00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:13,239 Speaker 1: Thing, And maybe that's like stressful certain players, or maybe 1482 00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:15,599 they just put that there for people who just want 1483 00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:17,519 to enjoy these games mindlessly and don't want to pay 1484 00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:19,400 attention to that stuff and they just want to play 1485 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,000 the game how it was, you know, quote unquote intended 1486 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,119 to be. I guess that's cool that there's an option 1487 00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:25,039 in there. Like I said, I didn't pick that mode, 1488 00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:27,079 and I think I'm glad I didn't. Even if I 1489 00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:28,559 am skipping a lot of the cut scenes, I still 1490 00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,320 want to have some choice at certain points. But yeah, 1491 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,119 it's cool that it seems like these choices actually seemingly 1492 00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:35,480 matter in the moment. I don't know if Yeah, I 1493 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,840 don't know if they matter in a medicense like, oh, 1494 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,000 it's gonna change with the final bosses, that kind of stuff. 1495 00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:40,639 I don't think that's what's going on. It's just more 1496 00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:43,039 like individual missions, and I'm sure most of them do 1497 00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:44,679 lead to combat in the end no matter what you 1498 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,000 do anyway. But hey, sometimes the illusion of choices is 1499 00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:50,199 all you need to make it feel like you have 1500 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:51,320 more impact as a player. 1501 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:52,840 Speaker 2: So that's that's kind of all right. 1502 00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:55,880 Speaker 1: I also feel like the through some of the dialogue 1503 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,440 choices and yeah, just general options that you have, I 1504 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,760 feel like you can kind of be evil in this game. 1505 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,559 I feel that you can do some truly evil acts 1506 01:00:03,719 --> 01:00:07,519 or do things in like really mean spirits and really 1507 01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:09,480 just go to colmat a lot quicker when you could 1508 01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:11,559 talk through a problem, So I don't know how much 1509 01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:13,239 that's really going to tie into things like that's kind 1510 01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:15,079 of an element of Ghost's Shima as well as like, 1511 01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:17,159 I don't know, how do you want to be an 1512 01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:20,280 honorable type? You want to obey these rules, these kind 1513 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:21,760 of traditions and all these kind of things. 1514 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,800 Speaker 2: Do you want to go against them? And so I 1515 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:24,079 don't know. 1516 01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:25,480 Speaker 1: I'm kind of liking that. I feel like I'm kind 1517 01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:27,840 of playing a bit of an evil character. I'm going 1518 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,039 I'm a pretty savage, savage person. Obviously I killed that 1519 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,880 innocent person, so that's kind of personifying that. 1520 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,599 Speaker 2: But I'm liking that. I don't know. 1521 01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:36,880 Speaker 1: It seems like there's a little bit of edge you 1522 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,440 can have with your character. But I don't know, what 1523 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,639 do you I guess otherwise think of the story, like 1524 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,119 I don't know if you're skipping as many cut scenes 1525 01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:44,960 as I am, but it seems like it starts out 1526 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,400 as a pretty classic revenge story. You know, your father 1527 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,920 was killed and you're trying to get the people who 1528 01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:52,559 killed him kind of thing. But I don't know, do 1529 01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:55,159 you have any more take on any interesting characters or 1530 01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:56,039 story stuff that's going on? 1531 01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:00,159 Speaker 2: It's as far as the stories go, I'm not not 1532 01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:02,960 very engaged with it. I'm not skipping cut scenes. I'm 1533 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,880 trying to get connected to these characters. But her story, 1534 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,920 her introduction, didn't really he hasn't really pulled me in yet. 1535 01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:15,920 The other character, y suit Ke, I really was engaged 1536 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,800 with his character at the start because I thought, okay, 1537 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,480 like he's hired as like a bodyguard, like a slave 1538 01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:25,599 to these Portuguese religious folks that are trying to like 1539 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,280 get permission to go through this this Daimyo's land, and 1540 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:31,400 I thought, okay, this is really cool. 1541 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:32,039 Speaker 3: I'm enjoying this. 1542 01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:33,639 Speaker 2: And the Dimo is like, oh, I want to keep 1543 01:01:33,679 --> 01:01:35,880 you around and like train you, and I think you're 1544 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,719 interesting because he had never I mean, you're dealing and 1545 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,760 I'm not trying to like be politically incorrected with racist 1546 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,800 or anything like that. But they obviously dealt with a 1547 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,920 lot of white people and then here comes a black person, like, hey, 1548 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,119 he hasn't seen a black person before, is how I 1549 01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:52,880 took it. And he thought he was really interesting want 1550 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,239 to learn more about him, and saw that he was 1551 01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,719 a great warrior and wanted to bring him in. I thought, 1552 01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,360 let's this is a very cool, engaging story where this 1553 01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:03,440 can go but with her. Yeah, it's classic revenge for 1554 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,440 Assassin's creed. Father gets killed, but I felt like it 1555 01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,599 was not gaslighting. But like, okay, I thought he died. 1556 01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:13,159 No he's alive, he's back again. Oh no, he's dead. 1557 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,199 And then we're getting flashback sequences later on where he's 1558 01:02:16,199 --> 01:02:18,039 alive again, and it's just like, Okay, I'm not really 1559 01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:20,880 getting attached to this character. Now, I'm gonna go back 1560 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,719 to the be all end all the best of the best. 1561 01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:27,639 Assassin's Crew two, you get an amazing intro where you're 1562 01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:30,119 with your family as at you know, it's great, and 1563 01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:33,079 then that leads to literally like your brothers and your 1564 01:02:33,159 --> 01:02:35,719 dad being hung and it's like, okay, that's it, no 1565 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,599 more flashbacks or anything like that. 1566 01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:38,559 Speaker 3: They're gone. They're dead. 1567 01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:41,159 Speaker 2: And it's like, holy shit, that was that was crazy. 1568 01:02:41,199 --> 01:02:43,880 And this I didn't really I don't have that connection. 1569 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,800 I don't really feel her suffering, you know, like she 1570 01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:49,599 was just she was shot, she was on the ground, 1571 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,920 and she's outside this base and like her father just 1572 01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:55,400 comes out of nowhere, gets killed and he's just there 1573 01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,360 and she crawls towards him, and that's it. 1574 01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:58,239 Speaker 3: It's very sad. 1575 01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,119 Speaker 2: It's gut wrenching, yes, but Assassin's Creed two when you know, 1576 01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:05,559 a brief spoiler, he thinks his family is gonna be okay, 1577 01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:07,480 and he's in the crowd and he sees someone's supposed 1578 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,920 to be his Ally sends this his brothers and his 1579 01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:12,719 dad to hang till dead, and he can't get through 1580 01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:14,559 the crowd fast enough. He's trying to get there and 1581 01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:16,440 he just sees his family get hung. It's like, oh 1582 01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:19,719 my god, this is real. Maybe I'm biased, Probably I'm 1583 01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:23,039 a little bit. No, that sounds that sounds emotional, right, 1584 01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:25,480 the very emotional, very emotional. So I'm hoping that we 1585 01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:28,159 get a little bit more emotion from this character. And 1586 01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:30,719 I'd like to see her. I'm I'm excited to see 1587 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,920 how she kind of more or less embraces being more 1588 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,679 of an assassin, because so far just getting these revenge killings, 1589 01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,719 she's just like for my father and just like just 1590 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,440 stabs like man like this is different from like going 1591 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,119 and the assassin takes the feather and wipes the feather 1592 01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:46,360 on their blood and stuff. 1593 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,840 Speaker 3: This is Yeah, she's dark, she's got a dark side. 1594 01:03:49,079 --> 01:03:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she's cool. 1595 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I don't have that deep emotional bomb, but 1596 01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:56,280 I think she's a cool protagonist so far. Cool look 1597 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,000 and as I mentioned, like the outfits and all that 1598 01:03:58,199 --> 01:04:00,639 look look really sick. So you can really customizer in 1599 01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:03,519 a fun way. So yeah, I think you know she's 1600 01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:05,480 getting the job done in that way. But once again, 1601 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,119 I'm not investing them as much effort in the story. 1602 01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:10,639 Another thing that I believe is new for Assassins Skreek 1603 01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,000 is you were pretty excited about this when it was 1604 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,360 shown off recently as the base building factor. So I 1605 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,519 don't know if you are building out multiple bases or 1606 01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:19,719 just one in this game. I'm guessing there's multiple in 1607 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,159 like the different regions and all that. But yeah, essentially, 1608 01:04:22,199 --> 01:04:24,280 you are going around, You're collecting resources along with other 1609 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,039 stuff that you normally would in these kind of games. 1610 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,519 You can go back to your base, you are recruiting 1611 01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:31,840 people there. You're recruiting like shop owners or like stable 1612 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,039 and things like this. You're building out different buildings, put 1613 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:37,320 them where you want, put decorations. There's a lot, seems 1614 01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,920 like seemingly a lot of things you can unlock to 1615 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,719 put here. I feel like every vendor has like a 1616 01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,719 section for cosmetic stuff for the for the bases that 1617 01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:45,079 you can do. 1618 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,519 Speaker 2: I'm curious how much you've done with this feature so 1619 01:04:48,639 --> 01:04:51,840 far and how it's working for you. I've built only 1620 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,400 a couple little things. I've not fully immersed it, but 1621 01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:59,719 I have been hunting and gathering lots of resources, and 1622 01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:01,159 I I think it's cool too because you can hit 1623 01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:04,679 certain bases and you can like your scouts will hit 1624 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,119 the like certain things later, right, like you got to 1625 01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:08,840 send them to like go pick up stuff, right. 1626 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:09,320 Speaker 3: That's right. 1627 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, So that's basically all I've I've done. I 1628 01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:15,159 haven't fully built like a be all end all base yet. 1629 01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:15,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1630 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean it does seem fairly basic, right, Like everything's 1631 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,559 on a grid and so, I don't know, it feels 1632 01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:24,280 like a classic roller coaster tycoon sort of moment there 1633 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,440 you can like do the little paths in between that stuff. 1634 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,440 I'd be curious to see once you get into town 1635 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,199 or I guess you're a settlement whatever, it is a 1636 01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:32,280 little bit more established, like how much you see like 1637 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,159 people walking around and traveling throughout your place, or if 1638 01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:37,280 it's just like, oh, the forge guy sits in the 1639 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,000 forge all day and never really leaves it and it 1640 01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:41,000 would kind of just feel like disconnected and it's like, 1641 01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:43,360 you know what, just give me a menu. I mean, 1642 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,239 there's like actual base going on here, so we'll see 1643 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:47,920 what happens there. But I don't know, it seems like 1644 01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:51,199 another there's just a lot of different like progression things 1645 01:05:51,239 --> 01:05:53,760 in this game, right, whether it's like collecting, buying, acquiring gear, 1646 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,559 upgrading it, you know, whether that's going in the skill 1647 01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:59,079 tree and upgrading stuff there, or like upgrading things through 1648 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,000 the base now. So it seems like there's just a 1649 01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:03,679 lot of different ways that you're improving your character, which 1650 01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:06,119 I'm sure over I don't know. I'm assuming this game 1651 01:06:06,199 --> 01:06:08,800 is pretty long, so yeah, I think hopefully that keeps 1652 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,159 things fresh. They're always having new ways to kind of 1653 01:06:11,199 --> 01:06:14,639 improve your character. I think that was everything in my notes. 1654 01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:16,159 Is there anything that we haven't talked about yet. 1655 01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:29,000 Speaker 3: I think I hit everything that was that I wanted 1656 01:06:29,079 --> 01:06:29,760 to touch upon. 1657 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,400 Speaker 2: It's pretty good for one weekends worth of play for 1658 01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:34,760 what is a long game. I'm sure you'll report back 1659 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:35,239 on this one. 1660 01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:37,079 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I absolutely will. 1661 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,280 Speaker 2: If I had one more thing that would have been 1662 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:41,920 nice to have and there was maybe a little bit 1663 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:46,679 more islands available because you can go swim out into 1664 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,440 the ocean and see the ships and stuff like that. 1665 01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:49,639 That's cool, you can get on the ships. 1666 01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:51,280 Speaker 3: But I would have liked it if there was maybe 1667 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,159 a little bit more island hopping, not to. 1668 01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:56,480 Speaker 2: The level that Odysty had because that was that felt overwhelming, 1669 01:06:56,679 --> 01:06:59,519 but just a little bit more like exploration on that front. 1670 01:06:59,639 --> 01:07:01,800 Speaker 3: But that's me wanting to be more. 1671 01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:02,039 Speaker 2: Now. 1672 01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:03,639 Speaker 1: When you look at like the overall map, does it 1673 01:07:03,679 --> 01:07:05,599 seemed like there's not really a section that'll have more 1674 01:07:05,639 --> 01:07:05,760 of it. 1675 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,079 Speaker 2: I mean, it's totally possible, but we'll I guess we'll 1676 01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:12,880 see what they do for for DLC. Sometimes Assassin's Creed 1677 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,000 deals you can get a little zany, they can go 1678 01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:18,199 a little bit off the rails with it being true, Yeah, 1679 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,679 Valhalla stuff got pretty wild, right with some more like 1680 01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:24,519 yeah things, oh which oh your mind to me? So 1681 01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:27,360 when you boot up Shadows, I actually really like it, 1682 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,760 how and I guess this is kind of them creating 1683 01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:32,880 it's like an equivalent to Call of Duty when you 1684 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,519 boot up that and you have like the different called 1685 01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:36,360 duties you can go into, and then war Zone all 1686 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,679 the different tabs. So here you have your main Assassin's 1687 01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:41,159 Creed like home page, and then you can go for 1688 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:46,519 like five hundred CE like sixteen hundred BC memories, right 1689 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,199 they call them, Yeah, yeah, so. 1690 01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:50,360 Speaker 3: You can cycle and there. They're just they're the main games, 1691 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,199 right that you can choose which one you want to 1692 01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:52,440 get in. 1693 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,039 Speaker 1: Because like I thought they had like that Assassin's Creed 1694 01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,199 is it called Infinity? 1695 01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:58,920 Speaker 2: Was it going to do that? Where like the hub? 1696 01:07:59,039 --> 01:07:59,920 Speaker 3: Is that what this is? 1697 01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:02,800 Speaker 2: Because I didn't download that, but it seems like I 1698 01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,440 have access to I think that's I don't have access 1699 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,199 all those things, but I can see them all there. 1700 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,400 I think that's what this is or what they're trying 1701 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,679 to do, because yeah, like you're just you have access 1702 01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:15,639 to all of them, so you're going through You're going 1703 01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:16,199 through all of them. 1704 01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:17,479 Speaker 3: So it's pretty cool. 1705 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,039 Speaker 1: Is that part of the reason why this game with 1706 01:08:20,119 --> 01:08:22,720 so many goddamn gigabytes is because there's like other games 1707 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,079 stuffed in the cartridge essentially? 1708 01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,680 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'm surprised because I thought it would be more. 1709 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,520 Mine was only about one hundred, and I thought we're 1710 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,119 going to be like two hundred or something like that. 1711 01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,199 But maybe that's just call of duty that I'm used to. 1712 01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:43,159 Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, we shall see, this was a really fun discussion. 1713 01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,520 It's always fun to talk Assassin's Screed with you because 1714 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,000 you are the master of this series. But yeah, I'm 1715 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,520 sure we'll have to report back on this one. I 1716 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,560 think I'll definitely put a few more hours in and 1717 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,520 see how that goes for me, because there's some stuff 1718 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,359 I'm liking I still got to finish about though, you 1719 01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:58,880 know what I mean. I I got so many games 1720 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,000 on the plate on the go right now. Yeah, I'm 1721 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,439 curious to see how this one does and what the 1722 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,600 reception of it is overall, because it has been a 1723 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,800 long time coming for thousand Screed to go to Japan. 1724 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,079 So yeah, we will report back. Thank you everyone for listening. 1725 01:09:11,159 --> 01:09:13,479 Let us know your thoughts on the game in the 1726 01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,359 YouTube comments and our discord in a Apple review. 1727 01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:19,359 Speaker 2: Wherever you want to leave it, we'll be happy to 1728 01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,079 see it. Thank you for listening, Thank you Taylor for 1729 01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:25,079 joining me, and we'll see you again next time. Bye bye.