1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,640 go to dpeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,760 your support. I'd like to welcome back to the program. 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,560 Will Chamberlain. He is the senior counsel at the Article 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,280 three Project. He is also a vice president of External 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,880 Affairs at the Edmund Burke Foundation and that's the organizer 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,520 of the National Conservatism Conference. Will, how are you today, sir? 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 2: Welcome back, doing great, Thanks for having me sure. 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate you making some time for us today. So 16 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:54,679 I haven't even gotten a chance to play this audio 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,679 from the statement that was issued by the president of 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:04,879 the Heritage Foundation, Kevin Roberts. But I did see I 19 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:06,920 did see your I mean, I've listened to the statement. 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,200 I haven't got a chance to play it on the 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,319 show yet, but you wrote on Twitter. I'm going to 22 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,840 quote your tweet here. This statement sucks, right, So yeah, 23 00:01:17,879 --> 00:01:20,439 why does it? Why is it so? Why is it bit? 24 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: It's just I mean, it's really traceable to one particular 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,439 statement where he claims that the people who are critical 26 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:30,319 of Tucker Carlson are part of a quote venomous coalition 27 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:33,760 and that they're sewing discord. And I think that fundamentally 28 00:01:33,799 --> 00:01:37,799 reversus victim and offender here, right, there's nothing I mean 29 00:01:37,799 --> 00:01:39,680 what Hucker did by bringing on Nick one is and 30 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,120 not just that, but talking about how he despised Christian Zionists. Well, 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,920 Christian Zionists make up a huge chunk of the Republican Party. 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,159 I mean you could call many, and maybe most evangelical 33 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,319 Christians would call themselves Zionists too. They're fond of Israel, 34 00:01:52,359 --> 00:01:55,359 they believe in the importance of Israel remaining as it is, 35 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,560 and sort to start there, that's an insanely divisive thing 36 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:01,480 to do. It's a it's a remarkable I mean, everything 37 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,120 about that interview was very divisive, and so the people 38 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,959 who are rightly outright raged by it aren't a venomous coalition. 39 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,719 It's offensive to suggest that they are. And so there's 40 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:13,080 there's and there was no need for a gratuitous swipe 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,560 that the people who don't like what Tucker did or 42 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,120 had an interview with Tucker, And especially as someone who 43 00:02:18,159 --> 00:02:20,599 is in a position like Kevin is running the Heritage Foundation, 44 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:22,680 which is one of the biggest thinkings on the right 45 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:25,039 and sort of positions itself at the center of the 46 00:02:25,039 --> 00:02:27,439 conservative movement, it's a really bizarre thing to do. And so, yeah, 47 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:29,080 it was a crap. It was a cretty statement. I 48 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,360 don't hate Kevin Roberts, I don't. I don't dislike him 49 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,360 at all, but like, objectively, it was just a bad statement. 50 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: Why do you think he made it? 51 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:36,319 Speaker 2: Why? 52 00:02:36,439 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: Why did like? What's the what's the motivation? 53 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,159 Speaker 2: What do you think I think there's this this it's 54 00:02:42,199 --> 00:02:44,759 it's part of a lingering online meme, something you would 55 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:47,039 call no enemies to the right, the idea that you know, 56 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,360 it's just you shouldn't be in a position where you're 57 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,039 punching right at all. And my suspicion he's calling getting 58 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,800 a lot of calls from donors who are really angry 59 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,719 about Tucker and want him to make a statement. I 60 00:02:56,719 --> 00:02:59,240 don't necessarily think he needs to make one. I think 61 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,599 he could have just stayed quiet. But if you're going 62 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,639 to make a statement, you probably shouldn't insult the people 63 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:06,800 who are rightly mad about what Tucker said. 64 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:10,719 Speaker 1: So and you mentioned this term Christian Zionists, and as 65 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:14,360 best I can tell, people are when when people use 66 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:17,120 this term, not like you just used it, but when 67 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:21,360 I'm seeing like, for example, you know, I just got 68 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,400 a message because I've been talking about this for the 69 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:26,840 last hour, as well says heard your show blasting Tucker 70 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,599 and Heritage Foundation, which I didn't actually blast Tucker or 71 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,879 Heritage Foundation. I can't believe it took me this long 72 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,000 to figure you out. Israel First policies are dead. It 73 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:43,159 seems like there's a conflation between Christian Zionist and Israel 74 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:47,360 First over America First. Is that am I? Am I 75 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:48,080 misreading this? 76 00:03:48,919 --> 00:03:51,319 Speaker 2: No? I mean there's this there's a default assumption there 77 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,080 that's for some reason, the continuation of the US Israel 78 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,960 partner Israeli partnership is bad for the United States. That's 79 00:03:57,039 --> 00:04:00,240 obviously not true. Like what exact alliance are are we 80 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:03,599 foregoing that is so valuable by being our relationship with Israel? 81 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:06,960 What Iran? Do people think that? I mean beyond the 82 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,319 sort of nastiness of Iran doing things like funding you know, 83 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,039 the terrorist groups all around the region who shoot missiles 84 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,279 in American ships. What exactly does Iran produce that we're 85 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,439 so in need of. I mean, Israel just to like 86 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,879 one example of many, Israel came up with the iron 87 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,439 Dome program. We helped them with it, but in exchange 88 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:28,360 we were the beneficiaries and get their technology. Israel just 89 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:31,160 developed a state of the art laser guided program for 90 00:04:31,199 --> 00:04:33,519 shooting down drones and missiles, which is going to be 91 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,839 very important for America to have access to really good, 92 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,680 cheap technology in that front, because if you're not using lasers, 93 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,199 then you have to use missiles yourself, and the missiles, 94 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,199 the defensive missiles to shoot down drones and other missiles 95 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,959 are way more expensive than the missiles themselves. That's that 96 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:48,959 was the problem Israel was dealing with during its War 97 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,439 of the Run. So there's a lot of I mean, 98 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,279 Israel's a military superpower and in its own right in 99 00:04:54,319 --> 00:04:57,720 terms of its technology, it's it's certainly an intelligence superpower 100 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,680 in terms of its ability to locate and it's adversaries. 101 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,079 There's a lot of reasons we would want these people 102 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,800 to be our ally, they're the most they're formidable force 103 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:09,519 in the Middle East. So just even beyond you know, 104 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,680 there's again this assumption that supporting the US Israel alliance 105 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:15,560 is bad to the United States. That's just wrong. It's 106 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,040 just wrong on the facts. 107 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:23,519 Speaker 1: Right, and an alliance does not mean subservience. I'm always 108 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:26,399 perplexed at this idea. I understand when I hear like 109 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:29,600 Dave Smith say that, you know, there Israel as a 110 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:33,120 client state of ours or something like that makes more 111 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:36,439 sense than the inverse, which is somehow are we are 112 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,879 controlled by Israel, which is. 113 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean honestly, both are not true. I mean, right, 114 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,759 they're a junior partner. They have their own independent, sovereign interests. 115 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,360 They're not you know, they they want to maintain good 116 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,959 relationships of the United States. It's very important to them 117 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,360 because I mean, everybody in Europe has lost their mind 118 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:55,800 on this question. They're worried about those countries turning straight 119 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,199 is Amist. So they care very much about the American alliance, 120 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,199 that's obvious, but to do a lot of other countries. 121 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, you then talked a little bit about on Twitter 122 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,079 about gatekeeping, and this is one of those things where 123 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:13,079 It's like anytime I say like I would not being 124 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:14,920 a host. For as long as I've been a host, 125 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,439 I understand it's my show. I can bring on anybody 126 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,040 I want to bring. I brought you on. I am 127 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,759 quote platforming you, right. And so this idea that, oh, 128 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,720 you know, Tucker Carlson shouldn't platform a guy like Nick Fuentes, right, 129 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:31,040 And I think it depends on and I'm not making 130 00:06:31,079 --> 00:06:33,959 that case that he shouldn't bring whatever guest he wants on. 131 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,279 It's just I'm going to now have a view of 132 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,079 the host depending on how the host conducts the interview. 133 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,519 And the way Tucker conducted the interview with Fuentes, it 134 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,519 was not combative like it was with Ted Cruz for example. 135 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,600 It wasn't like that. So what about this idea that 136 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,519 like that the Christian Zionists or the israel First Lobby, 137 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:56,839 or whoever it is that is the boogeyman of the 138 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,879 of the hour that they're trying to, you know, gate 139 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,800 keep and trying to keep Tucker Carlson from just having 140 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,199 conversations and just ask questions. 141 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,319 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the thing I would say is Tucker's 142 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:11,360 doing the same thing, right, Tucker doesn't really have prosionist 143 00:07:11,399 --> 00:07:13,480 voices on his show, and the only one he had 144 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:14,879 that I can recall off the top of my head 145 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,439 is Ted Cruz, who was and he had a really adversarial, 146 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,959 almost bad faith interview with Ted Cruz. He was never 147 00:07:19,959 --> 00:07:22,800 a hostile to any of his guests who were vindicted 148 00:07:22,839 --> 00:07:26,600 towards Israel as he was to Ted Cruz. So he's 149 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:28,600 trying to I mean, he's trying to gate keep himself. 150 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,600 He's just trying to create a different place where the 151 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:33,519 gate is. He wants to make this, as far as 152 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:35,560 I can tell, he wants to make supporter opposition to 153 00:07:35,639 --> 00:07:37,920 Israel the sort of central litmus test of the right. 154 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,360 He's just on the other side of it. In that sense, 155 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,040 he's the mirror image of the people who want to 156 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,720 make support for Israel the litmus test of the right. 157 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:45,120 I don't think it should be a litmus test of 158 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,959 any kind. But I also think that the question of 159 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,839 whether or not you bring on Nick Fez is way 160 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:53,959 bigger than supporter opposition to Israel. Nick's a nasty figure 161 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,079 because he says a whole bunch of nasty things about 162 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,879 any number of people it talks about wanting to give 163 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:01,360 the death penalty to perfites Jews here in the United States. 164 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:02,560 That's a crazy thing to say. 165 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I read some of the stuff, some of 166 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:09,959 his greatest hits in the last hour. Let's see here, 167 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,120 he's a big fan of Stalin. He literally said that 168 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:17,839 to Tucker Carlson and it got no pushback whatsoever. Stalin, 169 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,759 you know, responsible for tens of millions of people's deaths, 170 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,480 says Hitler. Was cool. Hitler was awesome. Women are coy. 171 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:27,399 They want me to rape them, they want me to 172 00:08:27,439 --> 00:08:30,439 beat the bleep out of them. Called Charlie Kirk a 173 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,639 B word. He's a fake patriot, anti Christian, anti white. 174 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:37,320 Let's focus all our firepower on Charlie Kirk, Like, these 175 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,639 are the things he talked about, you know, going in 176 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,120 and taking over Turning Point USA. And I've already done it. 177 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,480 I already got my gropers into that organization, and you know, 178 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:49,840 to kill the thing that he loves most. And I'm 179 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,720 at a loss to understand why Tucker Carlson would not 180 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:57,639 have anything to say about any of that stuff to 181 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,039 this person sitting across the table from him, Given that 182 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,120 Carlson spoke at Charlie Kirk's memorial. He appeared at Turning 183 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,799 Point USA events after Charlie Kirk's death. I just I 184 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:09,039 don't understand what's going on. 185 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it was really a betrayal 186 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,120 of Charlie. It was betrayal of Charlie's memory. I knew 187 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,320 Charlie Kirk personally. The reason I knew him is because 188 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,559 I was helping and working with him when he was 189 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,559 fighting off Nick six years ago. I mean Nick. And 190 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,519 the thing about Nick too, it's like, you know, there's 191 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,360 this whole well we need to you know, not punch right. 192 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,159 It's like, well, is Nick even to the right of us? 193 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,919 Speaker 1: No, he's right. 194 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,759 Speaker 2: Like the guy supported Kamala Harrison twenty twenty four, he's 195 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,480 on record posting about how he was going to recruit 196 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,600 people to vote for Kamala and Michigan. In September of 197 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,559 twenty twenty four, on records saying he didn't vote for Trump. Like, Okay, 198 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,000 you're not on the team. Why are we so invested 199 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:48,279 in making sure we don't offend your sensibilities or keep 200 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:48,840 you in the tent. 201 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,879 Speaker 1: You're not in the tent, So why so? Is what 202 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,080 I keep coming back to, Like, I know what's the why. 203 00:09:55,399 --> 00:09:57,919 Speaker 2: I mean, the why is the way that for some people, 204 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,919 opposition to Israel becomes the cent animating question of their politics. 205 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,720 And it's strange, like it's a theory that it's just 206 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:07,080 like every other bad thing that happens or every other 207 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,720 thing they disagree with in terms of American policy can 208 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:12,679 be traced to the root cause of somehow, either Israel 209 00:10:12,759 --> 00:10:15,879 or Jews meddling and causing this problem. That's just not true, 210 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,600 I mean, and I think the Trump administration proves that, 211 00:10:18,639 --> 00:10:21,480 Like Trump administration has been extraordinarily pro Israel, but at 212 00:10:21,519 --> 00:10:24,320 the same time, it's been extremely good at accomplishing all 213 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,519 the goals that the right has wanted accomplished for a 214 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,320 long time, closing the border, increasing mass deportations, you know, 215 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,480 rooting out di you, I mean, you name it. The 216 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:36,879 Trump administration has been on top of it. And they're 217 00:10:36,879 --> 00:10:40,039 all but they're also Israel administration. That two things aren't correlated. 218 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,960 It's just a but if you're so, if you believe 219 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,000 that somehow it's Jews and Israel behind all the problems 220 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,279 in the world, then you decide, well, if you're not 221 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,039 on the right side of that issue, then you're just 222 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,519 no matter what your positions are everywhere else, you're my adversary. 223 00:10:53,639 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're being paid. I've learned this also that 224 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,759 I'm somehow right the payroll, which is weird. I never 225 00:10:59,759 --> 00:11:00,840 get any money, so. 226 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:03,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be I mean, I'm a ton of backpaying. 227 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:05,919 I wish I got I was getting paid, it'd be great. 228 00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:08,000 I just don't think they have enough money. They don't 229 00:11:08,039 --> 00:11:10,240 like it's a small country. People forget that it's only 230 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,320 like sixteen million Jews in the world. Yeah, and it's 231 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,559 often the other pernicious thing this is just a random point, 232 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:18,000 is that you're using you're worried about the sixteen million 233 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:19,480 Jews in the world. Mean, we know there are one 234 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,000 point six billion Muslims who also would like to impose 235 00:11:23,039 --> 00:11:25,279 their political will on the United States, and they're about 236 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,039 to win the mayoralty of New York. So I think 237 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:30,159 there's a much bigger threat coming from that direction. Frankly, 238 00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:32,960 if you're concerned about the continuation of American values. 239 00:11:32,799 --> 00:11:35,759 Speaker 1: Well, and the was it the Minneapolis mayor guy from 240 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,320 Somalia who's like doing entire speeches in his native language, 241 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:42,879 draped in in his Somali flag, saying he's you know, 242 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:46,519 going to defend Somalia. It's just if you were to 243 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:51,120 see something like that from an Israeli running for American office, 244 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,879 people's heads would explode. 245 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,799 Speaker 2: It's oh yeah, it's be insane and there's I mean, 246 00:11:56,279 --> 00:11:58,279 no American Jew would ever do something like that ever, 247 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,000 it would be insane. 248 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Chamberlain, Senior counsel at the Article three project. I 249 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,200 appreciate your time as always. Well, thanks so much, thanks 250 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,240 for having me all. I take care. 251 00:12:06,639 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: You know. 252 00:12:06,919 --> 00:12:09,399 Speaker 1: Stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, 253 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,879 to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of 254 00:12:12,919 --> 00:12:16,240 our past while transcending generations. They help us process the 255 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,639 meaning of life, and our stories are told through images 256 00:12:19,759 --> 00:12:23,559 and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video started in 257 00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:26,519 nineteen ninety seven and Minhill, North Carolina. 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They 267 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,440 are your life told through the eyes of everyone around 268 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,720 you and all who came before you, and they will 269 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,080 tell others to come who you are. Visit creative video 270 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:15,399 dot com. The National Review had a editorial about this yesterday. 271 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:19,080 I ran out of time to start going into it yesterday, 272 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,519 but I do have it here. But first I do 273 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:28,759 want to play for you the statement from the president 274 00:13:28,919 --> 00:13:34,519 of the Heritage Foundation. Guy's name is Kevin Roberts, Okay, 275 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:43,960 And the background here is that a rumor spread the 276 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,080 other day, so this would have been about two days ago. 277 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:51,360 A rumor spread that the Heritage Foundation might be distancing 278 00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:57,919 itself from Tucker Carlson after the interview this softball interview, 279 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,480 or as William Jacobsnate Legal Insurrection calls it, the tongue 280 00:14:02,519 --> 00:14:08,200 bathing interview that he gave to Nick Fouentes, because the 281 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,759 Heritage Foundation website appeared to have scrubbed any reference to 282 00:14:12,879 --> 00:14:18,919 Tucker Carlson from their TC from their TC Network sponsorship 283 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,159 donation page. Okay, so for some reason the website page 284 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:26,960 was taken down. Somebody noticed this and they thought, oh, 285 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:32,879 Heritage Foundation is distancing itself from Carlson. That's what prompted 286 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:35,879 Kevin Roberts to issue the following statement. 287 00:14:36,519 --> 00:14:38,559 Speaker 3: I'll have more to say on this in the coming days. 288 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: You got today. 289 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,399 Speaker 3: I want to be clear about one thing. Christians can 290 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,200 critique the state of Israel without being anti Semitic, and 291 00:14:46,279 --> 00:14:50,679 of course anti Semitism should be condemned. My loyalty as 292 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:53,519 a Christian and as an American is to christ first 293 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,200 and to America always. When it serves the interest to 294 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,159 the United States to cooperate with Israel and other allies, 295 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,840 we should do so with partnerships on security, intelligence, and technology. 296 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:09,080 But when it doesn't, Conservatives should feel no obligation to 297 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:12,720 reflexively support any foreign government, no matter how loud the 298 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:16,360 pressure becomes from the globalist class or from their mouthpieces 299 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:17,039 in Washington. 300 00:15:17,399 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: Okay, hang on the globalist class. They were the ones 301 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,519 that just like backed off of supporting Israel. Like, who 302 00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:30,639 are these globalists that he's talking about? This is why 303 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:37,200 Will Chamberlain He's saying this venomous coalition. Who are these 304 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,600 people you're talking about, and this idea that they that 305 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:45,440 conservatives are reflexively defending Israel or something, well, I mean, 306 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,399 if it's against an anti Semite, you just said yourself 307 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:54,240 there that anti Semitism should be condemned. And Nick Fuentes 308 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,320 is an anti Semite proudly, so he says all of 309 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,480 the things that anti Semites would say. 310 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 3: The Heritage Foundation didn't become the intellectual backbone of the 311 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:09,080 conservative movement by canceling our own people or policing the 312 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,759 consciences of Christians, and we won't start doing that now. 313 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,759 We don't take direction from comments on x though we 314 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,440 are grateful for the robust free speech debate. We also 315 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,480 don't take direction from members or donors, though we are 316 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:27,240 inherently grateful for their support, and we're adding more every day. 317 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,519 This is the robust debate we invite with our colleagues, 318 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,799 our movement, friends, our members, and the American public. We 319 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,759 will always defend truth, We will always defend America, and 320 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:44,000 we will always defend our friends against the slander of 321 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:49,639 bad actors who serve someone else's agenda. That includes Tucker Carlson, 322 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,200 who remains and as I have said before, always will 323 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,679 be a close friend of the Heritage Foundation. The venomous 324 00:16:56,679 --> 00:17:01,120 coalition attacking him are sewing division. Attempt to cancel him 325 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,039 will fail. 326 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,679 Speaker 1: All right, So hang on, does that just go one 327 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:09,640 way the sewing division. When Carlson says that he despises 328 00:17:09,759 --> 00:17:14,079 quote Christian Zionists, that's not sewing division, knowing that there's 329 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,000 like a whole chunk of people on the right who 330 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:20,519 would consider themselves to be Christians as well as Zionists, 331 00:17:20,519 --> 00:17:24,559 which just means you want Israel to have their own country. Right, 332 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,839 that's not divisive. So Carlson gets to say that stuff 333 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,440 not divisive. People get to say, hey, I don't think 334 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,599 you should platform the Nazi lover the bootlooker for Hitler, 335 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:41,200 and that's divisive. Just so I'm clear here, Heritage. 336 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 3: Most importantly, the American people expect us to be focusing 337 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,720 on our political adversaries on the left, not attacking our 338 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:49,480 friends on the right. 339 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: Tell that to talk. 340 00:17:50,839 --> 00:17:53,839 Speaker 3: I disagree with and even at poor things that Nick 341 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,960 Flints says. But canceling him is not the answer either. 342 00:17:58,039 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: No one's saying cancel him. This is these are straw 343 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,119 men that no one's saying, deplatform the guy. Make sure, 344 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,759 we can't post anything. Nobody's saying that, not that I've heard, 345 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:10,319 not that I've seen. 346 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:14,799 Speaker 3: When we disagree with the person's thoughts and opinions, we 347 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,559 challenge those ideas and debate. 348 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: Unless you're on Tucker's show and you're an anti semit 349 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:19,680 I guess you. 350 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:22,519 Speaker 3: Have seen success in this approach as we continue to 351 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:27,519 dismantle the vile ideas of the left. As my friend 352 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:30,480 Vice President Vance said last night, what I am not 353 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:33,519 okay with is any country coming before the interest of 354 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:36,640 American citizens. And it is important for all of us, 355 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,519 assuming we are American citizens, to put the interest of 356 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:45,240 our own country first. That's where our allegiance lies, and 357 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:46,319 that's where it will stay. 358 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody is saying anything other than that. Oh and 359 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,160 by the way, Nick Fuente said, even JD. Vance has 360 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,200 to pander to us. Now, all right, if you're listening 361 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:57,759 to this show, you know I try to keep up 362 00:18:57,799 --> 00:18:59,559 with all sorts of current events, and I know you 363 00:18:59,599 --> 00:19:02,079 do too. And you've probably heard me say get your 364 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,000 news from multiple sources. Why well, because it's how you 365 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:08,960 detect media bias. Which is why I've been so impressed 366 00:19:09,039 --> 00:19:12,799 with Ground News. It's an app and it's a website 367 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,599 and it combines news from around the world in one place, 368 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:18,920 so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can 369 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,680 check it out at check dot ground, dot news slash pete. 370 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:26,359 I put the link in the podcast description too. I 371 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,000 started using ground News a few months ago and more 372 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:31,640 recently chose to work with them as an affiliate because 373 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,920 it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and 374 00:19:35,039 --> 00:19:38,160 by whom. The blind spot feature shows you which stories 375 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,720 get ignored by the left and the right. See for 376 00:19:40,759 --> 00:19:45,880 yourself check dot ground, dot news slash pete. Subscribe through 377 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,599 that link and you'll get fifteen percent off any subscription. 378 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,640 I use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to 379 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:55,200 every feature. Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, 380 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,559 but it also supports ground News as they make the 381 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:04,359 media landscape more transparent. Noah Rothman a writer at The 382 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:10,440 National Review or I guess just National Review. He says, 383 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,240 I think back to the Republican National Convention, the most 384 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:18,279 pro Israel American political event I've ever seen, and I 385 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,559 see how the rhetoric and esthetics of that event has 386 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,160 tracked with the Trump administration's policies, and I wonder are 387 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,880 a handful of angsty gen z men and an army 388 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,599 of Pakistani bots really going to engineer a tectonic political 389 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:42,920 realignment inside this GOP. Later and you heard Will Chamberlain 390 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,240 make reference to this. I think it was Will, Maybe 391 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,880 it was James last Hour. This whole idea of no 392 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:56,599 enemies to the right, it's absurd. It's a stupid, stupid philosophy, 393 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,119 because who's to decide who is to your right? Is 394 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:02,640 it just you? 395 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 2: So? 396 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:04,519 Speaker 1: What you? 397 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:04,599 Speaker 3: So? 398 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:09,799 Speaker 1: Anybody to my right gets to punch me, but I 399 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,599 never get to punch them because they are quote to 400 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:20,200 my right, which is absurd because they're calling themselves the right, 401 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,960 but the things that they are proposing have never been 402 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,599 associated with the right. So that's why I say this 403 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:36,200 is a stupid idea. Rothman says it's a false premise. 404 00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:38,079 He has a better way with words than I do. 405 00:21:38,519 --> 00:21:41,519 He says, these people are not to my right. They 406 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:47,079 have zero interest in limited government, fiscal prudence, recognizing degeneracy, 407 00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:53,119 encouraging character formation through discipline and forbearance, believing in and 408 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:58,039 enforcing consequences for one's actions, and being morally accountable to 409 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:03,519 one's maker. Just provocative jerks. That's not a right of 410 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:09,920 center trait. It's just anti social. Yeah, there are a 411 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,319 lot of people that I have come across in this 412 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,440 line of work that are just that provocative jerks. They 413 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:25,279 are not right of center, they're just antisocial. They they 414 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:27,519 want to you know, they'll call in, they'll text me, 415 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,400 they'll email, and they just want to denigrate crap on people. 416 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,279 And they think, oh, you know, I saw this, I 417 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:36,519 saw this line on Facebook, and so I'm going to 418 00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:40,640 send it to you and hahaha, I'm so funny. But 419 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:43,839 they that's not something that is that that makes you 420 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,519 of the right. Being a poop poster on four Chan. 421 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,039 It doesn't make you maga, it doesn't make you of 422 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:59,319 the right, It doesn't make you conservative. So Ray, welcome 423 00:22:59,359 --> 00:22:59,680 to the show. 424 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,279 Speaker 2: Hello right, Hello Pete. 425 00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 4: First, I had something quick to say whoever led into 426 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,160 Ham's traffic for football. He said something about he could 427 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,920 make a joke of the pennies, and well, probably we 428 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,920 don't have sense anymore. And I just wanted to say 429 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,880 I might have been boomber bon cannon. Uh. I was 430 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,160 going to say a penny for his thoughts, but maybe 431 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,559 might have to now start saying a nickel for your thoughts. 432 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,480 But the point I was taking in about was regarding 433 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:39,160 this Heritage Foundation and Tucker Coffin h the last segment, 434 00:23:39,319 --> 00:23:43,559 I think he played a SoundBite that were Heritage said 435 00:23:43,559 --> 00:23:46,480 that they Tucker has always been our biggest friend or 436 00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:51,400 close friend. And about four years ago, I imagine, I 437 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,200 was listening to Tucker on one of his shows one 438 00:23:54,319 --> 00:24:00,559 evening and he was saying something about, you know, you 439 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,160 probably gave to Heritage Foundation and they're not what you 440 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:08,880 think they are, and something to the effect we shouldn't 441 00:24:09,079 --> 00:24:13,000 give them donations. It's not a direct quote, but he 442 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,119 was saying something like that. I just wondered if you 443 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,559 could clear me up on that because the last segment, 444 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,559 Heritage was saying they've always considered Tucker calls I'm a 445 00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:25,799 close friend or something. 446 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I'm not aware of the comment 447 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,759 that you're referring to. I did not hear that, and 448 00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:36,559 I don't know the timeframe on it either, and how 449 00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:39,839 it would line up with this Kevin Roberts guy that's 450 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:45,000 leading Heritage. I don't think he's been there for terribly long. 451 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,119 But I don't follow Heritage, you know, like who makes 452 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,640 up their board and their leadership and all of that stuff. 453 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:54,920 So maybe it was before Kevin Roberts got in there. 454 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,039 I don't know. Maybe this is a shift away from 455 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:00,279 that or something, or maybe he personally is friends with 456 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,279 Tucker Carlson or something. I don't know. I wish I 457 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:05,319 could give you some insight, but I don't. I don't 458 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:05,680 have any. 459 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,039 Speaker 4: And all this, all this you're talking about on this mister, 460 00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:12,200 is and everything I haven't been able to keep up with. 461 00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:14,960 It is kind of you said you were confused, and 462 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,359 I feel like it's kind of convoluted in myself. But 463 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,880 that's just my comment. Thank you for taking the call. 464 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: All right, man, have a great weekend. Ray. I appreciate it. 465 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,240 Good to hear from you. I've said this on a 466 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,319 great many different topics. You know, what is the why? 467 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,880 I'm a why guy. I want to know why, and sometimes, 468 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:40,880 you know, I have to resign myself to accept that 469 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:43,480 I don't know and I'm not going to know the why. 470 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,960 Sometimes that happens a lot of times that happens, actually, 471 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:50,839 but I can look at what's happening, and I can 472 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,799 see the splintering, and I can make guesses. 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He says Tucker Carlson or the 512 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:22,119 editor's right. Tucker Carlson knee deep already has taken another 513 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,519 step into the muck with a friendly interview with Nick Fuentes. 514 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:29,640 The issue isn't merely that Carlson quote platformed a white 515 00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:35,400 nationalist influencer. This framing allows Carlson and his defenders to 516 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,359 portray the interview and others like it as an effort 517 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,839 at open debate as some good faith attempt at engagement 518 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,319 with alternative views, which is, by the way, precisely what 519 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:52,920 Heritage President said. The deeper problem is that Carlson did 520 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:58,480 not actually challenge any of Fuentes's noxious views that he 521 00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:02,200 has spelled out quite clearly over the years. He's engaged 522 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,839 in Holocaust denial, called Hitler really effing cool, said that 523 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,799 if his movement gained power, it would execute perfidious Jews. 524 00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:15,839 Carlson didn't even need to go back through old clips 525 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:19,519 to find any objectionable statements. Though in his appearance on 526 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,079 the show, Fwent has stated that the big challenge to 527 00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:30,200 unifying the country against tribal interests was quote organized jewelry 528 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:38,000 in America, and he expressed admiration for Soviet Butcher Joseph Stalin, 529 00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:44,000 and he got no pushback from Carlson, unlike the combative 530 00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:48,160 interview that Carlson did with Senator Ted Cruz over Israel. 531 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,960 Carlson stated during his interview that he thinks Ted Cruz, 532 00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:57,480 Mike Huckabee, and other figures who are Christian and support 533 00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:01,480 Israel have been infected by a brain virus. That's what 534 00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:05,880 he said. He called them Christian Zionists. He said, quote, 535 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,400 I dislike them more than anybody because it's Christian heresy, 536 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,519 and I'm offended by that. As a Christian. His contempt 537 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,279 presumably extends to a swath of Evangelical Christians, the vast 538 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:25,599 majority of whom are strongly pro Israel. It would be 539 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,319 easy to dismiss Carlson and his now extensive history of 540 00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:31,799 promoting anti Semitism as the handiwork of another personality that's 541 00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:35,519 desperate for attention in the online economy, but Carlson is 542 00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:39,000 one of the nation's most prominent and influential commentators. After 543 00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:41,839 the death of Charlie Kirk, Carlson has become a leading 544 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,400 speaker for that organization that Kirk founded, Turning Point USA. 545 00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:49,400 When Vice president JD. Vance subbed in as a host 546 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:53,279 on Kirk's podcast after the assassination, Carlson was his guest. 547 00:30:54,240 --> 00:31:00,319 Carlson's son, by the way, works for JD Vance. Carlson sway, though, 548 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,400 is currently limited by the fact that President Trump, who 549 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,079 happens to like Jews and who has been the strongest 550 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:09,839 supporter of Israel of any US president in history, that 551 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,599 Trump is in charge of the Republican Party, and ultimately 552 00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:19,480 Trump defines MAGA. In June, Trump ignored Tucker Carlson and 553 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,480 joined Israel's effort to take out Iran's nuclear program, which 554 00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,279 was successful in neutralizing a threat that had been looming 555 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:29,640 over the Middle East for decades without any US casualties. 556 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,839 You'll recall Carlson had predicted that it would trigger World 557 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,759 War III and that it could kill thousands of Americans. 558 00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:41,119 Within a week, Trump dismissed him as quote Kookie Tucker 559 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,359 Carlson by the way side note, people may be wondering 560 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:49,160 what's happened to Marjorie Taylor Green. Why is she's saying 561 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:55,720 the things she's saying. I saw somebody who is in 562 00:31:55,759 --> 00:32:00,799 the know and their theory, I will say, I don't 563 00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:03,799 know how much evidence they have to support this, but 564 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,799 they are in the know. They're up there in DC, 565 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:10,240 and they said that she's mad that Trump did not 566 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,480 endorse her, told her not to run for US Senate, 567 00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:16,799 and that that's animating a lot of what she's doing. 568 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,720 I don't know if that's true, just figured I would 569 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,880 pass it along. The editors go on to say Trump 570 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,599 won't be around forever, though, which is one reason that 571 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:32,400 Carlson Fuentes, Candae Owens, and other online influencers are pushing 572 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,599 so hard to try and remake the Republican Party and 573 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,400 the Conservative movement into one that is hostile toward Israel 574 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:43,000 and the Jewish people. The idea that it should be 575 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:46,559 seen as the America first position to oppose Israel and 576 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,400 American Jewry is not only a moral abomination, it makes 577 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:57,240 no sense. Israel is a technologically innovative, staunchly pro American 578 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:01,240 nation in the heart of a strategically important region. Over 579 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,440 the past several years, with US support, Israeli actions have 580 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:08,640 weakened the anti American terrorist group the hutis neutered Hasbala, 581 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,200 which you'll recall, slaughtered two hundred and forty one US 582 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:15,079 service members in the nineteen eighty three Marine Barracks bombing 583 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,920 and by the way, I would point out Hesbala responsible 584 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:24,200 for more American casualties than any other terrorist organization prior 585 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,400 to nine to eleven. Israel also crippled the nuclear program 586 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,160 of a nation that has for decades vowed death to America. 587 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,000 It isn't pro Israel protesters in the US who are 588 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,279 burning American flags and calling for the total eradication, eradication 589 00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:44,799 of Western civilization. That's the so called pro Palestine movement. 590 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,519 It wasn't Israelis who handed out candy to celebrate the 591 00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:55,839 September eleventh attacks. That was also Palestinians. Right. So this 592 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,440 line though, that they write here the idea that it 593 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,319 should be seen as the America first position to oppose Israel. 594 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:07,200 I think that's the key. They're using Israel as a 595 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,199 wedge because they know that younger people are now anti 596 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,800 Israel because they've come up through a K twelve education system. 597 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,440 They've gone to college campuses, they're peer group they're all, 598 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,719 you know, donning the cafeas as a fashion accessory, and 599 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,079 they're ignorant of history because again see K twelve education. 600 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,800 But this idea that if I support Israel's right to exist, 601 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,719 that that somehow means that I am not quote unquote 602 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:46,960 America first. It's a non sequitur. It is logically stupid. Okay, 603 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:52,079 it makes no sense. I can I can like Canada, 604 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,280 although they've been trying my patience recently, but you know, 605 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,960 I can like Canada. Canada's got a right to exis. 606 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,400 I got a beef with the Canadians. A That doesn't 607 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:08,599 mean I'm Canada first, right, Oh, I went to Ireland 608 00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:12,280 one time. My ancestral roots are in Ireland. We've visited Ireland. 609 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,599 That doesn't make me Ireland first. That's absurd. I'm American. 610 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,159 I'm America first. I would like America to have allies 611 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,599 because when push comes to shove with the communists, namely 612 00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:29,719 the Chinese and their alliance with the Islamists, I would 613 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,079 very much like to have as many people as possible 614 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,400 on our side. But no, I'm not going to cozy 615 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,280 up to the anti Semites and the Nazi boot liquors 616 00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:44,920 and the Stalin fanboys. I'm not going to do it. 617 00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:49,760 And if that means that MAGA disintegrates and the Republicans 618 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,360 are in the wilderness, it will be of their own 619 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,440 making because they cannot determine who is good anymore, which 620 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,880 is precisely what the woke left did to the Democrats, 621 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:03,039 and you see how that works out for them. All Right, 622 00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:05,440 that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 623 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,519 for listening. 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