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Will Chamberlain. He is the senior counsel at the Article
three Project. He is also a vice president of External
Affairs at the Edmund Burke Foundation and that's the organizer
of the National Conservatism Conference. Will, how are you today, sir?
Speaker 2: Welcome back, doing great, Thanks for having me sure.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you making some time for us today. So
I haven't even gotten a chance to play this audio
from the statement that was issued by the president of
the Heritage Foundation, Kevin Roberts. But I did see I
did see your I mean, I've listened to the statement.
I haven't got a chance to play it on the
show yet, but you wrote on Twitter. I'm going to
quote your tweet here. This statement sucks, right, So yeah,
why does it? Why is it so? Why is it bit?
Speaker 2: It's just I mean, it's really traceable to one particular
statement where he claims that the people who are critical
of Tucker Carlson are part of a quote venomous coalition
and that they're sewing discord. And I think that fundamentally
reversus victim and offender here, right, there's nothing I mean
what Hucker did by bringing on Nick one is and
not just that, but talking about how he despised Christian Zionists. Well,
Christian Zionists make up a huge chunk of the Republican Party.
I mean you could call many, and maybe most evangelical
Christians would call themselves Zionists too. They're fond of Israel,
they believe in the importance of Israel remaining as it is,
and sort to start there, that's an insanely divisive thing
to do. It's a it's a remarkable I mean, everything
about that interview was very divisive, and so the people
who are rightly outright raged by it aren't a venomous coalition.
It's offensive to suggest that they are. And so there's
there's and there was no need for a gratuitous swipe
that the people who don't like what Tucker did or
had an interview with Tucker, And especially as someone who
is in a position like Kevin is running the Heritage Foundation,
which is one of the biggest thinkings on the right
and sort of positions itself at the center of the
conservative movement, it's a really bizarre thing to do. And so, yeah,
it was a crap. It was a cretty statement. I
don't hate Kevin Roberts, I don't. I don't dislike him
at all, but like, objectively, it was just a bad statement.
Speaker 1: Why do you think he made it?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Why did like? What's the what's the motivation?
Speaker 2: What do you think I think there's this this it's
it's part of a lingering online meme, something you would
call no enemies to the right, the idea that you know,
it's just you shouldn't be in a position where you're
punching right at all. And my suspicion he's calling getting
a lot of calls from donors who are really angry
about Tucker and want him to make a statement. I
don't necessarily think he needs to make one. I think
he could have just stayed quiet. But if you're going
to make a statement, you probably shouldn't insult the people
who are rightly mad about what Tucker said.
Speaker 1: So and you mentioned this term Christian Zionists, and as
best I can tell, people are when when people use
this term, not like you just used it, but when
I'm seeing like, for example, you know, I just got
a message because I've been talking about this for the
last hour, as well says heard your show blasting Tucker
and Heritage Foundation, which I didn't actually blast Tucker or
Heritage Foundation. I can't believe it took me this long
to figure you out. Israel First policies are dead. It
seems like there's a conflation between Christian Zionist and Israel
First over America First. Is that am I? Am I
misreading this?
Speaker 2: No? I mean there's this there's a default assumption there
that's for some reason, the continuation of the US Israel
partner Israeli partnership is bad for the United States. That's
obviously not true. Like what exact alliance are are we
foregoing that is so valuable by being our relationship with Israel?
What Iran? Do people think that? I mean beyond the
sort of nastiness of Iran doing things like funding you know,
the terrorist groups all around the region who shoot missiles
in American ships. What exactly does Iran produce that we're
so in need of. I mean, Israel just to like
one example of many, Israel came up with the iron
Dome program. We helped them with it, but in exchange
we were the beneficiaries and get their technology. Israel just
developed a state of the art laser guided program for
shooting down drones and missiles, which is going to be
very important for America to have access to really good,
cheap technology in that front, because if you're not using lasers,
then you have to use missiles yourself, and the missiles,
the defensive missiles to shoot down drones and other missiles
are way more expensive than the missiles themselves. That's that
was the problem Israel was dealing with during its War
of the Run. So there's a lot of I mean,
Israel's a military superpower and in its own right in
terms of its technology, it's it's certainly an intelligence superpower
in terms of its ability to locate and it's adversaries.
There's a lot of reasons we would want these people
to be our ally, they're the most they're formidable force
in the Middle East. So just even beyond you know,
there's again this assumption that supporting the US Israel alliance
is bad to the United States. That's just wrong. It's
just wrong on the facts.
Speaker 1: Right, and an alliance does not mean subservience. I'm always
perplexed at this idea. I understand when I hear like
Dave Smith say that, you know, there Israel as a
client state of ours or something like that makes more
sense than the inverse, which is somehow are we are
controlled by Israel, which is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean honestly, both are not true. I mean, right,
they're a junior partner. They have their own independent, sovereign interests.
They're not you know, they they want to maintain good
relationships of the United States. It's very important to them
because I mean, everybody in Europe has lost their mind
on this question. They're worried about those countries turning straight
is Amist. So they care very much about the American alliance,
that's obvious, but to do a lot of other countries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you then talked a little bit about on Twitter
about gatekeeping, and this is one of those things where
It's like anytime I say like I would not being
a host. For as long as I've been a host,
I understand it's my show. I can bring on anybody
I want to bring. I brought you on. I am
quote platforming you, right. And so this idea that, oh,
you know, Tucker Carlson shouldn't platform a guy like Nick Fuentes, right,
And I think it depends on and I'm not making
that case that he shouldn't bring whatever guest he wants on.
It's just I'm going to now have a view of
the host depending on how the host conducts the interview.
And the way Tucker conducted the interview with Fuentes, it
was not combative like it was with Ted Cruz for example.
It wasn't like that. So what about this idea that
like that the Christian Zionists or the israel First Lobby,
or whoever it is that is the boogeyman of the
of the hour that they're trying to, you know, gate
keep and trying to keep Tucker Carlson from just having
conversations and just ask questions.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the thing I would say is Tucker's
doing the same thing, right, Tucker doesn't really have prosionist
voices on his show, and the only one he had
that I can recall off the top of my head
is Ted Cruz, who was and he had a really adversarial,
almost bad faith interview with Ted Cruz. He was never
a hostile to any of his guests who were vindicted
towards Israel as he was to Ted Cruz. So he's
trying to I mean, he's trying to gate keep himself.
He's just trying to create a different place where the
gate is. He wants to make this, as far as
I can tell, he wants to make supporter opposition to
Israel the sort of central litmus test of the right.
He's just on the other side of it. In that sense,
he's the mirror image of the people who want to
make support for Israel the litmus test of the right.
I don't think it should be a litmus test of
any kind. But I also think that the question of
whether or not you bring on Nick Fez is way
bigger than supporter opposition to Israel. Nick's a nasty figure
because he says a whole bunch of nasty things about
any number of people it talks about wanting to give
the death penalty to perfites Jews here in the United States.
That's a crazy thing to say.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I read some of the stuff, some of
his greatest hits in the last hour. Let's see here,
he's a big fan of Stalin. He literally said that
to Tucker Carlson and it got no pushback whatsoever. Stalin,
you know, responsible for tens of millions of people's deaths,
says Hitler. Was cool. Hitler was awesome. Women are coy.
They want me to rape them, they want me to
beat the bleep out of them. Called Charlie Kirk a
B word. He's a fake patriot, anti Christian, anti white.
Let's focus all our firepower on Charlie Kirk, Like, these
are the things he talked about, you know, going in
and taking over Turning Point USA. And I've already done it.
I already got my gropers into that organization, and you know,
to kill the thing that he loves most. And I'm
at a loss to understand why Tucker Carlson would not
have anything to say about any of that stuff to
this person sitting across the table from him, Given that
Carlson spoke at Charlie Kirk's memorial. He appeared at Turning
Point USA events after Charlie Kirk's death. I just I
don't understand what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it was really a betrayal
of Charlie. It was betrayal of Charlie's memory. I knew
Charlie Kirk personally. The reason I knew him is because
I was helping and working with him when he was
fighting off Nick six years ago. I mean Nick. And
the thing about Nick too, it's like, you know, there's
this whole well we need to you know, not punch right.
It's like, well, is Nick even to the right of us?
Speaker 1: No, he's right.
Speaker 2: Like the guy supported Kamala Harrison twenty twenty four, he's
on record posting about how he was going to recruit
people to vote for Kamala and Michigan. In September of
twenty twenty four, on records saying he didn't vote for Trump. Like, Okay,
you're not on the team. Why are we so invested
in making sure we don't offend your sensibilities or keep
you in the tent.
Speaker 1: You're not in the tent, So why so? Is what
I keep coming back to, Like, I know what's the why.
Speaker 2: I mean, the why is the way that for some people,
opposition to Israel becomes the cent animating question of their politics.
And it's strange, like it's a theory that it's just
like every other bad thing that happens or every other
thing they disagree with in terms of American policy can
be traced to the root cause of somehow, either Israel
or Jews meddling and causing this problem. That's just not true,
I mean, and I think the Trump administration proves that,
Like Trump administration has been extraordinarily pro Israel, but at
the same time, it's been extremely good at accomplishing all
the goals that the right has wanted accomplished for a
long time, closing the border, increasing mass deportations, you know,
rooting out di you, I mean, you name it. The
Trump administration has been on top of it. And they're
all but they're also Israel administration. That two things aren't correlated.
It's just a but if you're so, if you believe
that somehow it's Jews and Israel behind all the problems
in the world, then you decide, well, if you're not
on the right side of that issue, then you're just
no matter what your positions are everywhere else, you're my adversary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're being paid. I've learned this also that
I'm somehow right the payroll, which is weird. I never
get any money, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be I mean, I'm a ton of backpaying.
I wish I got I was getting paid, it'd be great.
I just don't think they have enough money. They don't
like it's a small country. People forget that it's only
like sixteen million Jews in the world. Yeah, and it's
often the other pernicious thing this is just a random point,
is that you're using you're worried about the sixteen million
Jews in the world. Mean, we know there are one
point six billion Muslims who also would like to impose
their political will on the United States, and they're about
to win the mayoralty of New York. So I think
there's a much bigger threat coming from that direction. Frankly,
if you're concerned about the continuation of American values.
Speaker 1: Well, and the was it the Minneapolis mayor guy from
Somalia who's like doing entire speeches in his native language,
draped in in his Somali flag, saying he's you know,
going to defend Somalia. It's just if you were to
see something like that from an Israeli running for American office,
people's heads would explode.
Speaker 2: It's oh yeah, it's be insane and there's I mean,
no American Jew would ever do something like that ever,
it would be insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Chamberlain, Senior counsel at the Article three project. I
appreciate your time as always. Well, thanks so much, thanks
for having me all. I take care.
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dot com. The National Review had a editorial about this yesterday.
I ran out of time to start going into it yesterday,
but I do have it here. But first I do
want to play for you the statement from the president
of the Heritage Foundation. Guy's name is Kevin Roberts, Okay,
And the background here is that a rumor spread the
other day, so this would have been about two days ago.
A rumor spread that the Heritage Foundation might be distancing
itself from Tucker Carlson after the interview this softball interview,
or as William Jacobsnate Legal Insurrection calls it, the tongue
bathing interview that he gave to Nick Fouentes, because the
Heritage Foundation website appeared to have scrubbed any reference to
Tucker Carlson from their TC from their TC Network sponsorship
donation page. Okay, so for some reason the website page
was taken down. Somebody noticed this and they thought, oh,
Heritage Foundation is distancing itself from Carlson. That's what prompted
Kevin Roberts to issue the following statement.
Speaker 3: I'll have more to say on this in the coming days.
Speaker 1: You got today.
Speaker 3: I want to be clear about one thing. Christians can
critique the state of Israel without being anti Semitic, and
of course anti Semitism should be condemned. My loyalty as
a Christian and as an American is to christ first
and to America always. When it serves the interest to
the United States to cooperate with Israel and other allies,
we should do so with partnerships on security, intelligence, and technology.
But when it doesn't, Conservatives should feel no obligation to
reflexively support any foreign government, no matter how loud the
pressure becomes from the globalist class or from their mouthpieces
in Washington.
Speaker 1: Okay, hang on the globalist class. They were the ones
that just like backed off of supporting Israel. Like, who
are these globalists that he's talking about? This is why
Will Chamberlain He's saying this venomous coalition. Who are these
people you're talking about, and this idea that they that
conservatives are reflexively defending Israel or something, well, I mean,
if it's against an anti Semite, you just said yourself
there that anti Semitism should be condemned. And Nick Fuentes
is an anti Semite proudly, so he says all of
the things that anti Semites would say.
Speaker 3: The Heritage Foundation didn't become the intellectual backbone of the
conservative movement by canceling our own people or policing the
consciences of Christians, and we won't start doing that now.
We don't take direction from comments on x though we
are grateful for the robust free speech debate. We also
don't take direction from members or donors, though we are
inherently grateful for their support, and we're adding more every day.
This is the robust debate we invite with our colleagues,
our movement, friends, our members, and the American public. We
will always defend truth, We will always defend America, and
we will always defend our friends against the slander of
bad actors who serve someone else's agenda. That includes Tucker Carlson,
who remains and as I have said before, always will
be a close friend of the Heritage Foundation. The venomous
coalition attacking him are sewing division. Attempt to cancel him
will fail.
Speaker 1: All right, So hang on, does that just go one
way the sewing division. When Carlson says that he despises
quote Christian Zionists, that's not sewing division, knowing that there's
like a whole chunk of people on the right who
would consider themselves to be Christians as well as Zionists,
which just means you want Israel to have their own country. Right,
that's not divisive. So Carlson gets to say that stuff
not divisive. People get to say, hey, I don't think
you should platform the Nazi lover the bootlooker for Hitler,
and that's divisive. Just so I'm clear here, Heritage.
Speaker 3: Most importantly, the American people expect us to be focusing
on our political adversaries on the left, not attacking our
friends on the right.
Speaker 1: Tell that to talk.
Speaker 3: I disagree with and even at poor things that Nick
Flints says. But canceling him is not the answer either.
Speaker 1: No one's saying cancel him. This is these are straw
men that no one's saying, deplatform the guy. Make sure,
we can't post anything. Nobody's saying that, not that I've heard,
not that I've seen.
Speaker 3: When we disagree with the person's thoughts and opinions, we
challenge those ideas and debate.
Speaker 1: Unless you're on Tucker's show and you're an anti semit
I guess you.
Speaker 3: Have seen success in this approach as we continue to
dismantle the vile ideas of the left. As my friend
Vice President Vance said last night, what I am not
okay with is any country coming before the interest of
American citizens. And it is important for all of us,
assuming we are American citizens, to put the interest of
our own country first. That's where our allegiance lies, and
that's where it will stay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody is saying anything other than that. Oh and
by the way, Nick Fuente said, even JD. Vance has
to pander to us. Now, all right, if you're listening
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National Review or I guess just National Review. He says,
I think back to the Republican National Convention, the most
pro Israel American political event I've ever seen, and I
see how the rhetoric and esthetics of that event has
tracked with the Trump administration's policies, and I wonder are
a handful of angsty gen z men and an army
of Pakistani bots really going to engineer a tectonic political
realignment inside this GOP. Later and you heard Will Chamberlain
make reference to this. I think it was Will, Maybe
it was James last Hour. This whole idea of no
enemies to the right, it's absurd. It's a stupid, stupid philosophy,
because who's to decide who is to your right? Is
it just you?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: What you?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Anybody to my right gets to punch me, but I
never get to punch them because they are quote to
my right, which is absurd because they're calling themselves the right,
but the things that they are proposing have never been
associated with the right. So that's why I say this
is a stupid idea. Rothman says it's a false premise.
He has a better way with words than I do.
He says, these people are not to my right. They
have zero interest in limited government, fiscal prudence, recognizing degeneracy,
encouraging character formation through discipline and forbearance, believing in and
enforcing consequences for one's actions, and being morally accountable to
one's maker. Just provocative jerks. That's not a right of
center trait. It's just anti social. Yeah, there are a
lot of people that I have come across in this
line of work that are just that provocative jerks. They
are not right of center, they're just antisocial. They they
want to you know, they'll call in, they'll text me,
they'll email, and they just want to denigrate crap on people.
And they think, oh, you know, I saw this, I
saw this line on Facebook, and so I'm going to
send it to you and hahaha, I'm so funny. But
they that's not something that is that that makes you
of the right. Being a poop poster on four Chan.
It doesn't make you maga, it doesn't make you of
the right, It doesn't make you conservative. So Ray, welcome
to the show.
Speaker 2: Hello right, Hello Pete.
Speaker 4: First, I had something quick to say whoever led into
Ham's traffic for football. He said something about he could
make a joke of the pennies, and well, probably we
don't have sense anymore. And I just wanted to say
I might have been boomber bon cannon. Uh. I was
going to say a penny for his thoughts, but maybe
might have to now start saying a nickel for your thoughts.
But the point I was taking in about was regarding
this Heritage Foundation and Tucker Coffin h the last segment,
I think he played a SoundBite that were Heritage said
that they Tucker has always been our biggest friend or
close friend. And about four years ago, I imagine, I
was listening to Tucker on one of his shows one
evening and he was saying something about, you know, you
probably gave to Heritage Foundation and they're not what you
think they are, and something to the effect we shouldn't
give them donations. It's not a direct quote, but he
was saying something like that. I just wondered if you
could clear me up on that because the last segment,
Heritage was saying they've always considered Tucker calls I'm a
close friend or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I'm not aware of the comment
that you're referring to. I did not hear that, and
I don't know the timeframe on it either, and how
it would line up with this Kevin Roberts guy that's
leading Heritage. I don't think he's been there for terribly long.
But I don't follow Heritage, you know, like who makes
up their board and their leadership and all of that stuff.
So maybe it was before Kevin Roberts got in there.
I don't know. Maybe this is a shift away from
that or something, or maybe he personally is friends with
Tucker Carlson or something. I don't know. I wish I
could give you some insight, but I don't. I don't
have any.
Speaker 4: And all this, all this you're talking about on this mister,
is and everything I haven't been able to keep up with.
It is kind of you said you were confused, and
I feel like it's kind of convoluted in myself. But
that's just my comment. Thank you for taking the call.
Speaker 1: All right, man, have a great weekend. Ray. I appreciate it.
Good to hear from you. I've said this on a
great many different topics. You know, what is the why?
I'm a why guy. I want to know why, and sometimes,
you know, I have to resign myself to accept that
I don't know and I'm not going to know the why.
Sometimes that happens a lot of times that happens, actually,
but I can look at what's happening, and I can
see the splintering, and I can make guesses. I'm not
going to accuse individual people of things that I don't
know to be true true, but I can make some guesses,
and it seems like there are people, as I went
over in the first hour, there are people that may
have incentives to drive wedges in the coalition that Donald
Trump put together for whatever their own reasons are, whatever
their own incentives are, I do not know, but the
effect is pretty obvious. It's a splintering of the coalition.
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A Time for Choosing sounds familiar, it's because that was
the name of the speech that Ronald Reagan gave at
the Goldwater Barry Goldwaters event. It was. It's an iconic
speech by Ronald Reagan, runs about half an hour. Highly
recommend you go back and watch it. It's called A
Time for Choosing, and that's the name of the piece
that National Review wrote the editorial board, A Time for
Choosing on anti Semitism. He says Tucker Carlson or the
editor's right. Tucker Carlson knee deep already has taken another
step into the muck with a friendly interview with Nick Fuentes.
The issue isn't merely that Carlson quote platformed a white
nationalist influencer. This framing allows Carlson and his defenders to
portray the interview and others like it as an effort
at open debate as some good faith attempt at engagement
with alternative views, which is, by the way, precisely what
Heritage President said. The deeper problem is that Carlson did
not actually challenge any of Fuentes's noxious views that he
has spelled out quite clearly over the years. He's engaged
in Holocaust denial, called Hitler really effing cool, said that
if his movement gained power, it would execute perfidious Jews.
Carlson didn't even need to go back through old clips
to find any objectionable statements. Though in his appearance on
the show, Fwent has stated that the big challenge to
unifying the country against tribal interests was quote organized jewelry
in America, and he expressed admiration for Soviet Butcher Joseph Stalin,
and he got no pushback from Carlson, unlike the combative
interview that Carlson did with Senator Ted Cruz over Israel.
Carlson stated during his interview that he thinks Ted Cruz,
Mike Huckabee, and other figures who are Christian and support
Israel have been infected by a brain virus. That's what
he said. He called them Christian Zionists. He said, quote,
I dislike them more than anybody because it's Christian heresy,
and I'm offended by that. As a Christian. His contempt
presumably extends to a swath of Evangelical Christians, the vast
majority of whom are strongly pro Israel. It would be
easy to dismiss Carlson and his now extensive history of
promoting anti Semitism as the handiwork of another personality that's
desperate for attention in the online economy, but Carlson is
one of the nation's most prominent and influential commentators. After
the death of Charlie Kirk, Carlson has become a leading
speaker for that organization that Kirk founded, Turning Point USA.
When Vice president JD. Vance subbed in as a host
on Kirk's podcast after the assassination, Carlson was his guest.
Carlson's son, by the way, works for JD Vance. Carlson sway, though,
is currently limited by the fact that President Trump, who
happens to like Jews and who has been the strongest
supporter of Israel of any US president in history, that
Trump is in charge of the Republican Party, and ultimately
Trump defines MAGA. In June, Trump ignored Tucker Carlson and
joined Israel's effort to take out Iran's nuclear program, which
was successful in neutralizing a threat that had been looming
over the Middle East for decades without any US casualties.
You'll recall Carlson had predicted that it would trigger World
War III and that it could kill thousands of Americans.
Within a week, Trump dismissed him as quote Kookie Tucker
Carlson by the way side note, people may be wondering
what's happened to Marjorie Taylor Green. Why is she's saying
the things she's saying. I saw somebody who is in
the know and their theory, I will say, I don't
know how much evidence they have to support this, but
they are in the know. They're up there in DC,
and they said that she's mad that Trump did not
endorse her, told her not to run for US Senate,
and that that's animating a lot of what she's doing.
I don't know if that's true, just figured I would
pass it along. The editors go on to say Trump
won't be around forever, though, which is one reason that
Carlson Fuentes, Candae Owens, and other online influencers are pushing
so hard to try and remake the Republican Party and
the Conservative movement into one that is hostile toward Israel
and the Jewish people. The idea that it should be
seen as the America first position to oppose Israel and
American Jewry is not only a moral abomination, it makes
no sense. Israel is a technologically innovative, staunchly pro American
nation in the heart of a strategically important region. Over
the past several years, with US support, Israeli actions have
weakened the anti American terrorist group the hutis neutered Hasbala,
which you'll recall, slaughtered two hundred and forty one US
service members in the nineteen eighty three Marine Barracks bombing
and by the way, I would point out Hesbala responsible
for more American casualties than any other terrorist organization prior
to nine to eleven. Israel also crippled the nuclear program
of a nation that has for decades vowed death to America.
It isn't pro Israel protesters in the US who are
burning American flags and calling for the total eradication, eradication
of Western civilization. That's the so called pro Palestine movement.
It wasn't Israelis who handed out candy to celebrate the
September eleventh attacks. That was also Palestinians. Right. So this
line though, that they write here the idea that it
should be seen as the America first position to oppose Israel.
I think that's the key. They're using Israel as a
wedge because they know that younger people are now anti
Israel because they've come up through a K twelve education system.
They've gone to college campuses, they're peer group they're all,
you know, donning the cafeas as a fashion accessory, and
they're ignorant of history because again see K twelve education.
But this idea that if I support Israel's right to exist,
that that somehow means that I am not quote unquote
America first. It's a non sequitur. It is logically stupid. Okay,
it makes no sense. I can I can like Canada,
although they've been trying my patience recently, but you know,
I can like Canada. Canada's got a right to exis.
I got a beef with the Canadians. A That doesn't
mean I'm Canada first, right, Oh, I went to Ireland
one time. My ancestral roots are in Ireland. We've visited Ireland.
That doesn't make me Ireland first. That's absurd. I'm American.
I'm America first. I would like America to have allies
because when push comes to shove with the communists, namely
the Chinese and their alliance with the Islamists, I would
very much like to have as many people as possible
on our side. But no, I'm not going to cozy
up to the anti Semites and the Nazi boot liquors
and the Stalin fanboys. I'm not going to do it.
And if that means that MAGA disintegrates and the Republicans
are in the wilderness, it will be of their own
making because they cannot determine who is good anymore, which
is precisely what the woke left did to the Democrats,
and you see how that works out for them. All Right,
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