Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen. What what's going to happen?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome. Uh yeah, so that intro headless?
Speaker 1: Do you do you want to explain a little bit
Speaker 1: about because I'm I'm pretty sure some people may be
Speaker 1: a little confused that that that wasn't a pop up advertisement. Guys,
Speaker 1: this episode is about our Ristaeus. Did I say it right?
Speaker 3: Yep? Okay, yeah, gods yeah, yeah, we started We started
Speaker 3: this not knowing where it would take us. Right the
Speaker 3: Rustic Apollo was just next on the list, And it
Speaker 3: just happens to be that I'm searching this topic at
Speaker 3: the very same time they're releasing a movie about it
Speaker 3: this weekend. Like it literally just came out on Friday.
Speaker 1: I had no idea about this either, dude, Right, but
Speaker 1: so here, let's let's go ahead. We'll pull this up
Speaker 1: right here, Aristaeus, this guy.
Speaker 3: Look at that handsome feller there he is. We saw
Speaker 3: that the trailer, didn't we.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we will be talking about this guy, uh
Speaker 1: b symbolism a little bit about that, the connection to
Speaker 1: the trailer. We just watched the movie named Bougonia, which
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty uncanny that they were named the
Speaker 1: you know, the movie after the type of ritual that
Speaker 1: you were talking about.
Speaker 3: Right, somebody's saying, your pants are on fire, But yes, yes,
Speaker 3: in this instance, this movie has everything to do with
Speaker 3: this character from ancient Greece. In fact, probably much older
Speaker 3: than even they're talking about in ancient Greece, right, So
Speaker 3: in the ancient Mediterranean world, there was this belief in
Speaker 3: spontaneous generation. Now that's that's an oversimplification that a lot
Speaker 3: of scientists have put onto it. But part of this
Speaker 3: belief is talking about the ox born, the ox born ritual.
Speaker 3: That's what bona means. So the first part bou means
Speaker 3: ox and gona means born or generated from. And so
Speaker 3: this ritual was destroying an animal is an ox so
Speaker 3: that you can get rebirth and renewal. So in the
Speaker 3: story about our Status, all of his bees died off,
Speaker 3: just like the environmental destruction that we're going through with
Speaker 3: the bees right now, right, And so the only way
Speaker 3: that he was able to bring life back into his
Speaker 3: be bee hives was to do this bougonia ritual and
Speaker 3: have the bees come out of the corpse of the
Speaker 3: ox spontaneously generated. In this ritual, and so he would
Speaker 3: revive his honey bees through the destruction of this ox.
Speaker 3: Now this is talked about Virgil's Gorgix right here. This
Speaker 3: is Virgil's book four, and I was going to read
Speaker 3: a little bit this so that you guys can get
Speaker 3: this idea, all right, so Brotinus, oh, I'm sorry this
Speaker 3: is in Latin. Here now in its turn, I will
Speaker 3: pursue this objective. Honey heaven said, a gift from the sky.
Speaker 3: May seem us look with favor on this story, which
Speaker 3: tells about a marvelous tiny scene. And I'll order all
Speaker 3: in order of magnanimous captains and the entire nation, its character, activities,
Speaker 3: its tribes, and their battles. The task is small, but
Speaker 3: not the glory if the powers that might oppose it
Speaker 3: will allow it, and if Apollo listens to my prayer.
Speaker 3: Virgil is firmly a polytheistic guy. First of all, I
Speaker 3: find a protected place for the bees to make it
Speaker 3: their home, a place that is safe from the wind
Speaker 3: that might prevent them from getting back with their food,
Speaker 3: and safe from the sheep or they wanted kids that
Speaker 3: trample the flowers down, or the wandering heifer shaking the
Speaker 3: dew from the grass and brushing the rising blades protect
Speaker 3: the rich stalls. This is first century BC, right, So
Speaker 3: this is before Christ and everything else. This is what
Speaker 3: they use this to teach their kids' literacy. So this
Speaker 3: is all what the early Roman or late classical Roman
Speaker 3: children are reading. Protect the rich stalls of their honeycombs,
Speaker 3: from the scaly shiny backed lizard, from the bee eater,
Speaker 3: from the other birds of the sort, from poor scene
Speaker 3: whose bloody hands have left their signs upon the crimson breast,
Speaker 3: and any of these can devastate the bees, catching them
Speaker 3: in their mouths to carry them home as delicacies to
Speaker 3: feed their cruel children. Talking about the pigs and how
Speaker 3: the pigs just eat everything, and there should be a
Speaker 3: limpid spring nearby, or a moss edged pool, or else
Speaker 3: a little brook. He's telling people how to take care
Speaker 3: of the bees, almost unseen making its way through the grass,
Speaker 3: and a big palm tree or oleester shading the vestibule
Speaker 3: of the place where the bees have settled, So where
Speaker 3: the kings of the hive lead the swarm forth in
Speaker 3: the welcoming season, and glad to be free at last,
Speaker 3: The youthful bees are capering and playing. There'll be a
Speaker 3: stream bank or a pond bank there where they can
Speaker 3: escape the unaccustomed heat, and where the leaves of the
Speaker 3: tree can shell shelter them. And whether it's pools or
Speaker 3: running streams, there must be a willow, shoots and stones
Speaker 3: deposed across as resting places for them to spread their
Speaker 3: wings and dry them in the sun. If they had
Speaker 3: happened to linger and were caught in a sudden shower
Speaker 3: where the wind had suddenly blown them into the water,
Speaker 3: and there should be sweet bloom blooming margarine here, and
Speaker 3: the odor of seraphilia spreading far aroamic time violet beds
Speaker 3: drinking from the trickling spring or stream. Now what's interesting
Speaker 3: about that time reference is that that's what you would
Speaker 3: cope the ground with in the bogogna ual, as you
Speaker 3: would coat the ground with time. As you're bringing the
Speaker 3: ox into the barn and beating them. Whether the hive
Speaker 3: is made by sewing together concave strips of bart or
Speaker 3: woven of pliant oyster ones, be sure to the entrance
Speaker 3: is narrow, for winter's cold makes the honey freeze and congeal.
Speaker 3: He causes it to melt and liquefy, and either of
Speaker 3: these cases is a cause for fear for the bees.
Speaker 3: For it is this reason they vie with one another
Speaker 3: to smear wax over the chinks in the walls of
Speaker 3: their houses, or stop them with resinous stuff from flowers
Speaker 3: more sticky than birdline or pitch phrygian ida. Anyways, they
Speaker 3: bring it back home and save it for this purpose,
Speaker 3: And so we're told. Sometimes they establish their house in
Speaker 3: a hiding place underground to keep themselves safe, or they're
Speaker 3: discovered to have settled themselves in the cells within a
Speaker 3: porous rock, where maybe they can vities of a tree
Speaker 3: decaying trump So to help them out by spreading mud
Speaker 3: or claying over the walls of their hide, and maybe
Speaker 3: scatter a few leaves over it. Be sure there isn't
Speaker 3: a u tree growing too near where the highst placed.
Speaker 3: Beware of roasting crab too close to it too. The
Speaker 3: smoke is poisonous to the bees. Beware of any place
Speaker 3: where the smell of mud prevails, or where a voice
Speaker 3: from within a hollow rock comes echoing back in response
Speaker 3: to the sound that struck it.
Speaker 1: So cool, it's so cool, man. Wow, it's crazy how
Speaker 1: the entire ritual consists of just nothing but nature. Right.
Speaker 3: Well, he hasn't even gotten into it. He's just talking
Speaker 3: about how to bee keep right. So the entire Gorgix
Speaker 3: is all about how to be a farmer. So he's
Speaker 3: got poems upon poems of how to be a farmer,
Speaker 3: and he gets into how to create the bees using
Speaker 3: this proggiment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that's the Gorgics. I said that right right,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pronounce all this correctly. I don't want
Speaker 1: to disappoint you. So one thing I do want to say,
Speaker 1: it's funny, very symbolic that the bees are leaving or
Speaker 1: dying off. It's kind of like God is leaving humanity. Right.
Speaker 1: Another thing, and I'm sure we'll get to it. This
Speaker 1: process of the bees inside of the ox is very
Speaker 1: similar to that of the cow and the homunculus and
Speaker 1: beating the cow with certain objects, and like the birthing
Speaker 1: of that through that process. Also, I wanted to tell
Speaker 1: everybody go ahead and repost the stream like it if
Speaker 1: you can. We were trying to get some other people
Speaker 1: in here. Nick was going to join us, and we're
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, bro, we should play the video
Speaker 1: from the Arkansas paranormal expo before we get out of
Speaker 1: here today. So remind me to do that.
Speaker 3: You got it, You got it.
Speaker 1: Nick has a good cameo at the end. He's doing
Speaker 1: a six to six to six troll I think, which
Speaker 1: I think is hilarious. But yeah, I wanted to read
Speaker 1: a little something about bees. When I first started Gray
Speaker 1: piled I was one of the first forms of occult
Speaker 1: symbolism that I got into was that of animals, right,
Speaker 1: and so this is from a you probably guess it,
Speaker 1: a manly Palmer Hall treaties. So the bee hive is
Speaker 1: found in masonry as a reminder that in diligence and
Speaker 1: labor for a common good, true happiness and prosperity are found.
Speaker 1: The bee is a symbol of wisdom, for as this
Speaker 1: tiny insect collects pollen from the flowers, so men may
Speaker 1: extract wisdom from the experiences of daily life. The bee
Speaker 1: is sacred to the goddess Venus, and according to mystics,
Speaker 1: it is one of the seven forms of life which
Speaker 1: came to Earth from the planet Venus millions of years ago.
Speaker 1: Wheat and bananas are said to be of similar origin. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the reason why the origin of these three
Speaker 1: forms of life cannot be traced. The fact that bees
Speaker 1: are ruled by queens is one reason why this insect
Speaker 1: is considered a sacred feminine symbol. So we think about
Speaker 1: that headless.
Speaker 3: I think there is a certain hive mind attachment between
Speaker 3: bees and humans. We have the same kind of hive
Speaker 3: mind mentality on a different level, the universal unconscious level,
Speaker 3: as Young would talk about. So our archetypes become our
Speaker 3: hive mind. Right, we can tell each other references about
Speaker 3: these movies and these other cultural things that sort of
Speaker 3: produce a language all of its own, sort of a
Speaker 3: subconscious language. And for the Masons, for the Mormons, for
Speaker 3: all of these other cultures, to exemplify the bee, they're
Speaker 3: going for that hive mind. They're going for that centrality
Speaker 3: of thought, which I think we find all over the
Speaker 3: Mediterranean with their Batalist stones. And the Batalist stones are
Speaker 3: like the central core of that civilization, stones that represent
Speaker 3: the middle part of the body or the omphaless.
Speaker 1: Right, the Batalist stones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, in general they're called Batalist stones, but specifically
Speaker 3: usually Beatalist stones are an ownfullest for the culture, right,
Speaker 3: which would be a belly button. This is what connects
Speaker 3: the earth to the sky. As we've heard before. You know,
Speaker 3: the belly button of the earth is where everything was
Speaker 3: once connected. Right, And so Minnesota comes from the word
Speaker 3: mini gota, which means navel of the world. They had
Speaker 3: this concept all of the world, except for after we've
Speaker 3: introduced some other religions. Then the ship of the betel
Speaker 3: of stone comes not from under your feet, but now
Speaker 3: it's in somebody else's land, and you've got to do
Speaker 3: something to get your betelist stone back so that you can.
Speaker 1: Your birth right basically, right, it is similar. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean there is the concept of bees, you know,
Speaker 1: being you know, like using the power of God to
Speaker 1: heal you. For instance, if you get like there's that
Speaker 1: theory that if you get stung by bees, it's kind
Speaker 1: of because you need to be stung, or it's like
Speaker 1: they're healing you spiritually or something. There's there's something that
Speaker 1: that they're doing there. So when they avoid you, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, you're you're vibrating at a
Speaker 1: proper frequency or you know, uh, in tune with nature.
Speaker 3: Well, b venom has a particular property that actually makes
Speaker 3: it beneficial to people who suffer from MS, right, so really,
Speaker 3: b venom is used in medication for people having nerve
Speaker 3: disorders like muscular district I forgot what MS stands for.
Speaker 3: And it's used in other things as well. That targets
Speaker 3: the the you know, the nerve fibers. And what's interesting
Speaker 3: is bees are also very closely associated with Jupiter, and
Speaker 3: Jupiter set them in motion at first, right, Oristaeus may
Speaker 3: have learned to cultivate them, but Jupiter is the one
Speaker 3: who created them, supposed to Virgil. So the idea that
Speaker 3: they're connected to the nerves and the sinews really does
Speaker 3: make a lot of sense when you think about the
Speaker 3: electrical nature of the nervous system and how there is
Speaker 3: this connection of this electrical system. If you want to
Speaker 3: look up the Umfullest stone at Delphi, oh m p h.
Speaker 1: A l O s at Delphi. Yeah, okay, let me
Speaker 1: share this.
Speaker 3: Right here, that's the one. So this Bomefuless stone, it
Speaker 3: doesn't look like much when you're looking at it. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: they carved something into there, maybe, so what's the big deal. Well,
Speaker 3: that pattern on the outside is supposed to look like
Speaker 3: a net, right, but to me, it looks like bees
Speaker 3: crawling on the outside. Of a beehive, and you could see,
Speaker 3: you know, down there at the bottom, you've got a
Speaker 3: sort of a bee opening kind of at the bottom.
Speaker 3: These were made out of clay. They weren't player or concrete,
Speaker 3: but they were hollow on the inside. And these would
Speaker 3: go underneath of the oracle as she's delivering the prophecy.
Speaker 3: So this navel of the world, which is what homefulest means,
Speaker 3: is underneath the oracle. So he's sitting on a tripod
Speaker 3: above it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this was underneath her, right.
Speaker 3: And so they assumed that that meant that these volcanic
Speaker 3: gases were coming up through it, because it's hollow and
Speaker 3: it's got a hole in the top, and so this
Speaker 3: was like how it directed these hallucinogenic fumes up to
Speaker 3: the oracle. Well, I don't know about that, but the
Speaker 3: symbolism itself is that this beehive is the central core
Speaker 3: of the Hellenic world. Right, this is the place where
Speaker 3: the oracle, this priestess, the pythia attended by the melisa,
Speaker 3: which means honey in Greek. Right, attended by the Melisa priestesses. Right,
Speaker 3: the beehive priestesses would deliver her messages to the masses.
Speaker 3: This is another hopful list, but they're all in the
Speaker 3: shape of this honey beehive, right, right. And then you
Speaker 3: have the tomb that is most famous in Greece prehistory
Speaker 3: in the Mycenaean period, which is the tomb of I
Speaker 3: forgot his name. But it's in the shape.
Speaker 1: Of there with the snake on it. Dude. That's wow, right,
Speaker 1: very orphic, crazy yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like an egg. Yeah, wow, dude.
Speaker 3: And the Blackstone of Kaibali, right, the blackstone similar shape. Similarly,
Speaker 3: this is what they brought back to Rome and they
Speaker 3: wanted to win the Punic Wars, right, So all of
Speaker 3: this comes to this idea of this beehive, miss right,
Speaker 3: This is what we derive our central understanding of the
Speaker 3: world from. Now, how do you revive the beehive? Sacrifice? Sacrifice?
Speaker 3: So they had to that's a good one, right there.
Speaker 3: They had other methods, the alabastron being one of them.
Speaker 3: Don't look it up, let them do that. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so the the idea is that through cultivating these uh
Speaker 3: these relationships with nature and understanding how to the proper
Speaker 3: method of sacrifice, you could bring fertility back through the
Speaker 3: world through a certain kind of destruction. And if you
Speaker 3: watch that trailer, you get that impression.
Speaker 1: Is that kind of the it's kind of it's kind
Speaker 1: of the same as the order out of chaos, right.
Speaker 3: Right right, And so these conspiracy theorists have these kind
Speaker 3: of religious beliefs about aliens and UFOs and they're using
Speaker 3: that room.
Speaker 1: See the newest episode of Joe Rogan, dude is on
Speaker 1: there who worked by someplace called Dreamland. I guess it's
Speaker 1: out in the desert it was, and he ran into
Speaker 1: this this he saw this craft parked and he has
Speaker 1: a drawing, like a three D little little rendering of it,
Speaker 1: and and everything. And the way this guy's telling the story,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it seems like he's not. It
Speaker 1: seems like he's he's telling the truth. I know it's
Speaker 1: probably a long shot, but uh, he's this this this
Speaker 1: being that had no ears that was kind of bluish pale,
Speaker 1: and big eyes asked him for Ah, what was it?
Speaker 1: It's a certain it's a certain kind. It's what makes
Speaker 1: our watches glow in the dark. It starts with a t.
Speaker 1: He thought he was asking for titanium, but like as
Speaker 1: he was asking him, he's sent like this energy to
Speaker 1: him like I don't know, making him not so scared
Speaker 1: of him. And then at the same time he tells
Speaker 1: him where to find some of it and he points
Speaker 1: to the mountain and the alien sends him another like
Speaker 1: this wave of like anger or disgust, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going over there where those animals are like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And this guy is sitting there telling telling the story
Speaker 1: on Joe Rogan and he's, uh, I mean, should go
Speaker 1: listen to it? Man, should go watch it. I literally
Speaker 1: twenty minutes before we sat down, I was watching it.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 1: It could just be something to add on to the
Speaker 1: whole the whole alien thing. You know, there's the whole
Speaker 1: JJ slow rolling in for some time now.
Speaker 3: There's a whole JJ perspective where he thinks that all
Speaker 3: of these religious beliefs are based off of ancient alien
Speaker 3: cargo cults. So it's at one point the aliens were
Speaker 3: around and we called them gods, and then when they left,
Speaker 3: we wanted to simulate what it was like to have
Speaker 3: them around, and so we created these belief structures based
Speaker 3: off of that. And so the idea with them using
Speaker 3: the conspiracy theorists as the foil in this movie is there.
Speaker 3: They're pointing at them as being like the revival of
Speaker 3: that same sort of ancient alien cargo cult idea like
Speaker 3: these are the first people to have religion, is the
Speaker 3: people in contact with the aliens? Right, and so they're the.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think JJ's he's probably onto something there.
Speaker 3: Well, in this case, it would be that the alien
Speaker 3: UFO theorists are now the priest kings of a new
Speaker 3: generation as they're doing the Bogonia ritual to get rid
Speaker 3: of this CEO that's you know, monopolizing and destroying the planet.
Speaker 3: So you still have that contrast that this this movie.
Speaker 1: Is just the micro causm, right of something happening on
Speaker 1: a much larger scale. Okay, right, right.
Speaker 3: And so uh, you know the rustic Apollo, all the
Speaker 3: rustic guards are his, right, So he was taught all
Speaker 3: of the things. So he's a shepherd, he's a beat keeper,
Speaker 3: he's uh he keeps the birds happy. Yeah, Arstaus looks right.
Speaker 1: Kind of like a younger version of them.
Speaker 3: Well, he is the young girl Apollo.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, So the one thing saying that it's
Speaker 1: the son of Apollo, one thing saying it's his cousin,
Speaker 1: you know, just means it's related to him basically.
Speaker 3: Right, right, right, right, So Apollo is the lord of light,
Speaker 3: and this guy is enlightening people as the methods of farming,
Speaker 3: enlightening people with this this specific knowledge, right, Apollo would
Speaker 3: be general knowledge. He would be specific knowledge. Okay, this
Speaker 3: specific area of working.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was gonna say Aristaeus, the Rustic god
Speaker 1: of beekeeping, cheesemaking, olive growing, and hunting. He was a
Speaker 1: companion of his divine cousin Dionysus. Huh, So I guess
Speaker 1: he's a cousin of Dionysus, son of Apollo. Yeah, man says, well,
Speaker 1: there's also another name. He's in here twice, once as
Speaker 1: a once is what I just read, and then the
Speaker 1: second time it says a giant. There was a giant
Speaker 1: with the same name in Greek mythology who fled the
Speaker 1: battle with the gods and was transformed into a dung beetle.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, very especially with the context of dung beetle
Speaker 3: in Egypt.
Speaker 1: The scab, right, yeah, pushing the sun up the yeah, bro, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's how.
Speaker 3: The nation crazy, that's how the nation has pushed forward.
Speaker 3: Is on the backs of these workers, who are you know,
Speaker 3: creating and producing the honey from these hives that they've
Speaker 3: got the rituals for that they've connected with the land for.
Speaker 3: So these are the people who are really pushing the
Speaker 3: empire forward, are pushing and.
Speaker 1: The yeah yeah, and so the scare beetles would shed
Speaker 1: their skin, right, they would leave behind like this. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. Maybe maybe I'm I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about something else actually, because dude, I mean, there
Speaker 1: was a what was it? It was an o Sirian
Speaker 1: Uh this episode I did on Osirius. I think it
Speaker 1: was like a year ago or something where I kind
Speaker 1: of got into a little bit of like just the
Speaker 1: archetypal agricultural god. And then I think we ended the
Speaker 1: episode we watched like an hour long video or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was back when I used to
Speaker 1: do solo streams. I missed those days. May start doing
Speaker 1: those again. Guys actually come prepared for those. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: let me take this off real fast.
Speaker 3: Sorry, all right, that's the problem. But so you know,
Speaker 3: you could see why this guy is, you know, considered
Speaker 3: a minor god. Today we don't value any of the
Speaker 3: agricultural knowledge we don't pass it on, we don't even
Speaker 3: think about it. And this guy was central to life
Speaker 3: back then because he's the one. He's the keeper of
Speaker 3: all of this knowledge that keeps the entire empire rolling forward. Right,
Speaker 3: Everybody who needs to know anything is going to have
Speaker 3: this Aristaeus type character, teaching the law, teaching the Gorgics,
Speaker 3: teaching all of these things to future generations. And that's
Speaker 3: why you would put him in something like Virgil. Now,
Speaker 3: the Bogonia ritual is infinitely transformed, the more symbolic it becomes.
Speaker 3: So at first it's this this attempt to make bees
Speaker 3: come back to the world, right, and then you bring
Speaker 3: your your ox to the temple to be burned on
Speaker 3: an altar so that the fumes go up to heaven,
Speaker 3: so that in the same way that the bees are
Speaker 3: rising this, the smoke rises up to heaven and they
Speaker 3: know that you've left him offering for them, right. So
Speaker 3: it's a symbolic transaction instead of a physical one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Yeah, the scareb was the uh read, it
Speaker 1: was the resurrection of the soul and a new life
Speaker 1: at the end of the immortal span.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you could see why this guy would be
Speaker 5: kind of important, Right, There's there's this huge linkage that
Speaker 5: nobody really pays attention to because again, rustic things, they
Speaker 5: always get lost in the churn.
Speaker 1: Right. I was gonna say, I've never heard of them before,
Speaker 1: so and and I've I've done quite a lot of research,
Speaker 1: not as much into the the Greek pantheon, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I've never heard this guy before.
Speaker 3: So well. He also plays a central character in the
Speaker 3: myth of Orpheus and Euryticy. So Euryticity was a nymph,
Speaker 3: so she spent most of her time out in nature,
Speaker 3: you know, that's where she comes from. Her her dad's
Speaker 3: like a stream or something. And so Orpheus is married
Speaker 3: to Euryticy, and then Aristaeus causes a snake to leap
Speaker 3: out at Euryticy, causing her to fall over backwards and
Speaker 3: die and go down in the underworld. And Orpheus has
Speaker 3: to go down into the underworld play music for Hades
Speaker 3: and convince him to let Euryticity go okay, and so
Speaker 3: our status in this case would become the hapless foil.
Speaker 3: He just wanted to help, but he ended up making
Speaker 3: things worse because he created a situation that was not
Speaker 3: good so in some ways he is demonized by the
Speaker 3: Orphic reformers as being well, he didn't exactly know what
Speaker 3: he was doing. He kind of stumbled into this whole thing.
Speaker 3: But we can redeem the soul through music, because the
Speaker 3: Orphics really brought a lot more musically centered worship to Greece.
Speaker 3: Right before that, they were fire worshipers and they had
Speaker 3: all these other practices that the Orphics really kind of
Speaker 3: helped to die down and then mainstream the idea that
Speaker 3: worshiping through harmony, worshiping through math, worshiping through these other
Speaker 3: ways was more important than all of the sacrifice. Right,
Speaker 3: So the Orphics really did play a role in, you know,
Speaker 3: downplaying the sacrificial aspects. So having them well I think so,
Speaker 3: I mean again, like do you use sacrifices to start
Speaker 3: a car?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: Right, so what are we doing here?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: So there's a destruction element to sacrifice. And if all
Speaker 3: you're doing is destroying your stuff because you're really superstititioned,
Speaker 3: are you really getting the benefit out of the sacrifice
Speaker 3: to begin with?
Speaker 1: Right? And that's the intention behind it? Right, You're like,
Speaker 1: you know on edge the entire time?
Speaker 3: No, No, Right, So there is an element to that.
Speaker 3: But you can see how this character would change and
Speaker 3: transform based off of the cultural context that's going on
Speaker 3: in the society. So for them to you know, really
Speaker 3: point at the bumbling of this Rastaus who was the
Speaker 3: master you know, shepherd and the master bee keeper and
Speaker 3: all the rest of these things originally through his sacrifices,
Speaker 3: now sort of takes a backseat to more political, more
Speaker 3: harmonious ways of trying to get around in society. So
Speaker 3: less about the sacrifice, more about creating group harmony, more
Speaker 3: about creating you know, experiences that people can walk away
Speaker 3: with instead of sacrifice. Is that you have to go up,
Speaker 3: you know, So in some senses, uh, you know, it
Speaker 3: was necessary to go through the stage of our Ristaius
Speaker 3: and really connect with the land. But in another sense,
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's a lot more destruction than what
Speaker 3: you should be doing, and a little bit more superstitious.
Speaker 3: But again, rust the gods, right, you would expect there
Speaker 3: to be some superstition in there as well, right, That's
Speaker 3: that's a big part of country life, the superstition.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think there was some stuff on uh
Speaker 1: on pain that we didn't touch on that I wanted
Speaker 1: to kind of come back to maybe we could do
Speaker 1: that on another episode or something.
Speaker 3: No, we can do it now.
Speaker 1: Let's let's I just you know, there's that similarity with
Speaker 1: Sir Nuno's. Uh do you think there's something there?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Sir Nudos that's an assumed name, right,
Speaker 3: we don't actually have what they called him, but Carnunos
Speaker 3: the horne, right, is the horn one, right, and so
Speaker 3: they kind of put that label on all of the
Speaker 3: art that has the god with the big horns coming up.
Speaker 3: But we see the gods with the horns also in
Speaker 3: Mesopotamia as well. Instead, it's far more bull like and
Speaker 3: far more moon like, and its aspect as opposed to
Speaker 3: the deer like.
Speaker 1: And it's it's mainly one side of the pantheon. It's
Speaker 1: it's the side that comes down from in Key. And
Speaker 1: if you think about like them being kind of like
Speaker 1: shown as these composite creatures, half animal like, freakish looking, right,
Speaker 1: they're like trying to convey this message that they were
Speaker 1: these uh you know chimeras or something, you know.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, each and every one of these animals has
Speaker 3: a culturally agreed upon aspect to them, right, So pigs
Speaker 3: mean a certain thing symbolically to the rest of the
Speaker 3: people in that culture that we may not have the
Speaker 3: context too. So if it's a half man, half pig god,
Speaker 3: you would know what that means in that culture, right,
Speaker 3: If it's a half man, half howk god, you would
Speaker 3: have that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You take both the attributes from each animal and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Which goes into the bull, right, because this bull, this ox,
Speaker 3: it wasn't just an ox. This was the bull of heaven, right,
Speaker 3: This was Taurus. And if you've ever seen Taurus in
Speaker 3: the night sky, it is massive, it is huge. Right,
Speaker 3: So this bull of Heaven was a huge part of
Speaker 3: ancient life back then. And when it comes up, you know,
Speaker 3: that's when it's planting season. You have got to get
Speaker 3: the seeds in the ground. That's the bull of heaven.
Speaker 3: You know what to do, right, So when it's at
Speaker 3: that certain aspect, that's when you know that that is
Speaker 3: the time to do the work. And so this became
Speaker 3: that symbol of spring, that symbol of planting, that symbol
Speaker 3: of diligent hard work that is very closely associated to
Speaker 3: bog and Aristaus as well. Is this bull of heaven, now,
Speaker 3: that bull of heaven to sacrifice that again, right, if
Speaker 3: you look at where Orion is placed next to this
Speaker 3: bull of heaven, you also know what to do. That
Speaker 3: means it's time to sacrifice that bull to the gods. Right,
Speaker 3: that bull of heaven has to be sacrificed that you
Speaker 3: can make the gods happy. And in one of the
Speaker 3: first stories of the post Golden Age in Greek mythology
Speaker 3: is the one about Prometheus. Again, this is a Promethean
Speaker 3: type character. This rastaus guy. He's bringing the knowledge, right.
Speaker 3: You see Prometheus in the sacrifice to Zeus. So after
Speaker 3: the Titano Mackie is over, Zeus has some of the
Speaker 3: Titans still in his court. So two of them would
Speaker 3: be Prometheus and Epimetheus, his brother. They jump ship. They
Speaker 3: were on the Titan side first, and then they came
Speaker 3: over and they helped Zeus win the Titano Macki with
Speaker 3: Prometheus's ability at forethought right, and so Zeus says, we're
Speaker 3: going to have a feast. We've defeated the Titans, and
Speaker 3: so it's time for a sacrifice. So what Prometheus did
Speaker 3: is he said, let's give a share to these humans
Speaker 3: who are you know. He wanted to make them new
Speaker 3: parts of his fan, right, he wanted these humans as
Speaker 3: part of his because all of his family were in Tartars,
Speaker 3: they were in the underworld, you know. So he wanted
Speaker 3: to create a new family, this Prometheus character, and so
Speaker 3: he gave the humans his forethought right as part of
Speaker 3: their gifts, and in so doing, h he wanted to
Speaker 3: give them the best share of this cow. So part
Speaker 3: of the share goes to the gods and part of
Speaker 3: the share goes to the people. So what he did
Speaker 3: is he wrapped the muscle and the good cuts of
Speaker 3: meat in the entrance, right, so all the disgusting entrails
Speaker 3: go on top of the good meat. And then he
Speaker 3: took the fat of the animal, and he put the
Speaker 3: fat all over the bones. Right, He put the fat
Speaker 3: all over the inedible parts of that cow, and he
Speaker 3: let Zeus decide. He goes, which share do you want?
Speaker 3: And which share will you let the humans take? And
Speaker 3: so Zeus, seeing that glistening fat, knowing that that's the
Speaker 3: good stuff, he picked that. So he got the inedible
Speaker 3: parts while the humans got the good stuff. And for that,
Speaker 3: boy Prometheus was punished.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: He hated Prometheus for that because that defied his expectations.
Speaker 3: He never wanted to fire God's expectations.
Speaker 1: So is that why he'd go on that mountain?
Speaker 3: This is why he stole fire from the humans because
Speaker 3: he knew that that would get Prometheus worse than anything else.
Speaker 3: So he took the fire back from the humans and said,
Speaker 3: now you have to shiver in the cold. And so
Speaker 3: Prometheus went up to Mount Olympus to retrieve the fire
Speaker 3: of the gods, bring it back down to humans so
Speaker 3: that they can be warm and happy once again. He
Speaker 3: was the light bringer from Mount Olympus from the stolen fire,
Speaker 3: bringing it back to society again. Back to this anky
Speaker 3: symbolism Anki and Lil being.
Speaker 1: In Lil being the bull of heaven. But then at
Speaker 1: the same time, their sister wife nin Her Sag was
Speaker 1: also depicted as a cow, but not as anything to venerate,
Speaker 1: like kind of like they were kind of making fun
Speaker 1: of her. And then Marduke was also known as the
Speaker 1: solar calf. So you know, you got kind of a different,
Speaker 1: you know, some some kind of deity each time that's
Speaker 1: represented by this bull, and so it's always there, but
Speaker 1: it seems like it means something different with each deity.
Speaker 3: Well, right, but on some level, you can see the
Speaker 3: bull as representing at its very most basic level, this
Speaker 3: is the internal processes going on within every human, at
Speaker 3: every animal. It's this drive, this desire. It connects to
Speaker 3: Aphrodite as well. It's like, why is the ox pulling
Speaker 3: the cart? Well, he wants to do it. You know.
Speaker 3: I just saw this massive horse today that's used in logging, right.
Speaker 3: This thing is like the size of bulldozer, and it
Speaker 3: loved pulling those logs. Like we're talking sixty foot tree trunks, right,
Speaker 3: huge frickin' logs. And this horse is just rearing and
Speaker 3: ready to yank those across the field for no other
Speaker 3: reason than it loves to do it. This is how
Speaker 3: they had to do their breeding pro They had to
Speaker 3: get these animals liking the physical exertion. And you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. But at the
Speaker 3: very core of the bull of Heaven is these intrinsic
Speaker 3: motivating properties inside of us that get us to move forward.
Speaker 3: It's uh in the orphic him to Aphrodite. They talk
Speaker 3: about how she can bind every beast with the unbreakable
Speaker 3: chains of desire. Everything has desire, It wants to do
Speaker 3: a certain thing, and if you can work with that,
Speaker 3: you can you know, put that uh you know, collar
Speaker 3: on the ox and get it to plow your field
Speaker 3: for you. As long as it wants to do it.
Speaker 3: Everything works in harmony. So in some level, that bull
Speaker 3: of Heaven really represents the internal drives, the eternal intrinsic
Speaker 3: drives that every human has, as well as every animal
Speaker 3: and everything else. It's it's the what pushes you forward. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: some people are lazy.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know some people are pretty lazy,
Speaker 1: but it seems like that society that has done to us, right,
Speaker 1: that's not how we're originally created. We're created to be,
Speaker 1: uh you know, to want to learn and do things
Speaker 1: and explore and create, you know.
Speaker 3: So well, there's also another aspect. So have you gone
Speaker 3: really deep into the lore of this guy from North
Speaker 3: Carolina who saw this bull? Lady?
Speaker 1: No, oh, tell me about it please, or is there
Speaker 1: something we can pull up on it? Yes?
Speaker 3: His name is. He had a UFO encounter where Hathorn
Speaker 3: appears to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the same this dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: heard about this.
Speaker 3: Part of this lore is when he was cursing the
Speaker 3: gods and saying, take this away from me, I don't
Speaker 3: my kids made fun of anymore. I don't want them
Speaker 3: laughed at in school. I don't want them to feel
Speaker 3: bad anymore. He goes outside and he's yelling to these
Speaker 3: orbs and whatever, and then all of a sudden he
Speaker 3: turns around and there's this massive bull that charges over
Speaker 3: his head. Right, it's kind of a theiric. And as
Speaker 3: he's looking up through the bull, he could see the
Speaker 3: stars through the body of this bull of heaven. You know,
Speaker 3: I was looking at Blodsoe. Yes, yeah, I've I've read.
Speaker 1: I've actually read the UFO of God. Dude, incredible story.
Speaker 1: I'm actually I actually listened to Bloodsoe said, So, it's
Speaker 1: a great podcast.
Speaker 3: Well, as this bull is charging over his head, he
Speaker 3: turns around and who does he see? Hathorn. He calls
Speaker 3: the lady, the white Lady. Now, what did we just
Speaker 3: see with this bougonna? Ritual destruction leading to rebirth, right
Speaker 3: destruction leading to rebirth. The bullet heaven is charging over
Speaker 3: his head. So, if we're going with the classical interpretation,
Speaker 3: something has to die so that the lady could be satisfied.
Speaker 3: He doesn't know this. All he's looking at is the
Speaker 3: images coming into his head. But this is the pattern
Speaker 3: that's been going on for millennia is the same type
Speaker 3: of sacrifice. You have to destroy something old so that
Speaker 3: something new can be brought into this plane of existence.
Speaker 3: And he's sort of playing that out.
Speaker 1: Only death can pay for life. Was that saying on
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones or whatever? Yeah, which I'm sure is
Speaker 1: from something ancient something, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all
Speaker 1: all this stuff they put in pop culture is just
Speaker 1: derived from these ancient texts and these ancient mythologies. I'm
Speaker 1: it's there's nothing that it's original, dude, I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: see that.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, Well, have you ever read the
Speaker 3: oracle that Philip of Macedon was given before his proposed
Speaker 3: invasion of Persia?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: You had? You had told me about it, though, you've
Speaker 1: you've told me about it.
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Uh? What was this oracle?
Speaker 3: I'm looking it up right now. It's essentially probably because
Speaker 3: I talked about all the time. Look, man, if you
Speaker 3: want prophecy, you have to realize the the Delphic maxims
Speaker 3: are by far the most important part of any prophecy
Speaker 3: because what they gave at the oracle at Delphi wasn't
Speaker 3: necessarily immediately understood. You had to know yourself to get
Speaker 3: the full meaning of the prophecy. That was the goal.
Speaker 3: And if you didn't know yourself, then that prophecy would
Speaker 3: turn against.
Speaker 1: You, would destroy you, right right, dude. Yeah, it's the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't wanna star talking about Twin Peaks. Don't uh,
Speaker 1: don't get me started. So, uh, we just finished, guys,
Speaker 1: we just finished season three. We just finished season three
Speaker 1: on on. Uh was that last Sunday? I think, great episode?
Speaker 1: Of course, the last episode of it was like we
Speaker 1: had a great time. And uh So the entire catalog
Speaker 1: of Twin Peaks is on my Patreon, along with an
Speaker 1: analysis of the show.
Speaker 3: Good down.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm gonna stop talking about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is what Philip of Macedon received from the
Speaker 3: Oracle of Delphi back in three thirty six, three thirty
Speaker 3: six PC. Keep that in mind, three thirty six pieces.
Speaker 1: We got a thirty three in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just kidding, It's no, it's very very important. So
Speaker 3: it says this is what he received. He goes the
Speaker 3: bull is Garland, all is done, the sacrifice is ready.
Speaker 3: So knowing what he did about Persia, knowing what he
Speaker 3: did about what was going on at the time where
Speaker 3: their ritual practices with the bull over there in Persia,
Speaker 3: Like this symbol of the bull was huge over there.
Speaker 3: He says, you know, maybe Persia is the bull that
Speaker 3: is ready to be sacrificed in the Bougona. It's ready
Speaker 3: to revitalize the world once more. And so he says,
Speaker 3: all right, get all my generals together, we're ready to go.
Speaker 3: We're going to get over there and we're going to
Speaker 3: kill them. The oracles has granted him, so he's got
Speaker 3: them all in this in this big amphitheater and he says, look,
Speaker 3: we've got an oracle. It says the bull is Garland
Speaker 3: and ready for ah. And he was assassinated up there
Speaker 3: on the stage. He was the bull. He was the
Speaker 3: bull that was Garland and ready for sacrifice. Because what
Speaker 3: happened with Alexander the Great, his son.
Speaker 1: He died right now.
Speaker 3: Alexander the Great conquered the world.
Speaker 1: This is right, yeah, yeah, Alexander.
Speaker 3: Did anything he had to die so that Alexander could reign. Right,
Speaker 3: that's the whole purpose here. Like he was assassinated by
Speaker 3: one of these persianizers in Greece, which really pissed off
Speaker 3: fucking Alexander. His son. So Alexander's like, fuck this, I'm
Speaker 3: taking the fucking world and nobody's gonna fucking stop. Three
Speaker 3: thirty six.
Speaker 1: I hate how in that movie he's like just gay
Speaker 1: the entire movie. They just portray him as some gay guy.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Anna, If you guys have the time,
Speaker 3: there's an exhaustive study on this modern obsession with making
Speaker 3: the Greeks gay. If you look up Leather Apron Society.
Speaker 3: I think that's his name. He's got a great debunk
Speaker 3: of word Greeks gay, and he goes through all of
Speaker 3: the evidence. This is a thing that really got kicked
Speaker 3: off in the nineteen seventies. Both the Christians and the
Speaker 3: Woke Professor were both on board. The Greeks had to
Speaker 3: all be gay. That's what was going on before Christianity
Speaker 3: is they were all homosexuals. And the reason why we
Speaker 3: need Christianity or we need this you know, new woke
Speaker 3: mind virus infecting everybody, is we'll have the degeneracy of
Speaker 3: the ancient Greeks if we don't. And what's interesting is
Speaker 3: they completely leave out any parts about the laws prohibiting
Speaker 3: homosexuality in Greece. Really that's yeah, they had laws prohibiting
Speaker 3: homosexuality and Athens and several other places around Greece, and
Speaker 3: it was viewed as being very dishonorable. So it kind
Speaker 3: of took a bunch of pots, which were like seventy
Speaker 3: seventy five pots about and then they read into a
Speaker 3: lot of these these pots and said that these these
Speaker 3: pots mean that homosexuality was widespread all over the place.
Speaker 3: But if you just take it for what it is,
Speaker 3: it's about seventy six pots and some fragments that some
Speaker 3: degenerate probably made because it was a democracy and they
Speaker 3: were degenerates that were running around back then, lots of them.
Speaker 3: You can read about some of the degenerates in this book,
Speaker 3: The Golden Ass. They talk about some of these these
Speaker 3: priests that were all the homosexuals who were.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't tell him to do it from
Speaker 1: from I. I don't think they're paying him, but uh,
Speaker 1: I remember I brought it up, and Nick was just like,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, it's not this fucking book. And I'm just like, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna read the book. And Nick's like, I know,
Speaker 1: but I hear about it every fucking show.
Speaker 3: There's so much in there, dude, I.
Speaker 1: Think I had the PDF. I'm gonna start reading it
Speaker 1: later tonight. Well, actually, I don't know. I think I
Speaker 1: may do a Cryptid watch tonight. I'm not sure, may
Speaker 1: do a show tonight, guys thinking about it.
Speaker 3: Unlike Virgil's gorgis right, it doesn't have the lot on
Speaker 3: the other page. So this Latin on one page for
Speaker 3: the GORGEX and on the other page it's got the English,
Speaker 3: so you can get both. But Golden Ass was originally
Speaker 3: printed in Latin, so there might be some stuff that's missing.
Speaker 1: Car definitely sex magic as beehole magic. Well, I figured
Speaker 1: I figured they'd yeah, it's probably the bee hole. Shout
Speaker 1: out stellar masshole.
Speaker 3: Well where do you think the bees would come out
Speaker 3: of arius? Retards?
Speaker 1: Yeah, retards, keeping it retarded.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the bee hole, right, the bee hole coming
Speaker 3: out of the ox. That the bees had to come
Speaker 3: out of the bones of the ox. Right, So what
Speaker 3: was it?
Speaker 1: It's so it's something about the ox or the cow.
Speaker 1: Because it's the same thing like I brought up at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show. I wanted to come back
Speaker 1: to this. It's the same thing about the homunculus, right,
Speaker 1: you put you know, you put them inside of the
Speaker 1: bull or the cow and then you beat it with
Speaker 1: a dog fallas There's there's a few different ways to do.
Speaker 1: You have like your one way with pair of celsus
Speaker 1: and then your other guys, and but that's the most
Speaker 1: common way. That's the first way I heard it talk about.
Speaker 1: It's pretty grotesque.
Speaker 3: You know, they were retelling this book Virgils gorget because
Speaker 3: that's where they got it from. Okay, that's what they
Speaker 3: were using. So this is very very ancient ritual that
Speaker 3: Virgil's talking about in the first century BC, goes back
Speaker 3: thousands and thousands and thousands of years all over the Mediterranean.
Speaker 3: Think about the bullfighting going on in Spain, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that came through the Manoans, right, So the Minoans were
Speaker 3: doing these same kind of rituals using these cows. Here's
Speaker 3: here's another interesting fact. So the native cow that was
Speaker 3: original in Europe is now extinct and all we have
Speaker 3: is the domesticated variety. So what came from this original
Speaker 3: wild species is now dominant and the wild species is
Speaker 3: completely gone. So which one turned out to be more
Speaker 3: suited to the land around it? Which one came out
Speaker 3: on top? It was the domesticated variety that kind of
Speaker 3: plows your fields for you, and that does all this
Speaker 3: other work for you, and that you get to eat
Speaker 3: when it gets too old or way. So it's a
Speaker 3: it's a very different way of thinking about this competitive
Speaker 3: nature that we're living in, like the one that ended
Speaker 3: up cooperating more with humans, ended up becoming the dominant
Speaker 3: species of cow and all the rest of Europe, and
Speaker 3: then the older wild species is completely gone.
Speaker 1: Now natural selection, unnatural unnatural selection.
Speaker 3: We're the ones you selected.
Speaker 1: What's your cat's name?
Speaker 3: Beans?
Speaker 1: Beans? I love it. Yeah, I mean in some cultures
Speaker 1: cows are cows are venerated, right, they're you know.
Speaker 3: Even that you know where that comes from. That comes
Speaker 3: from the proto Indo European push down into India, and
Speaker 3: the Dravidians didn't have any cows before the proto Indo
Speaker 3: European show came from the Brahmins, right, The Brahmins were
Speaker 3: proto Indo Europeans, so they were bringing those cows with them.
Speaker 3: That's why they became sacred, is because the Europeans brought
Speaker 3: their domesticated cattle with them and said you must worship
Speaker 3: my animal. Hello, we're at the top of your society now.
Speaker 3: Mistay cows. You're not allowed to touch them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say to Xerox, haven't, but that'd
Speaker 1: be one to add to the book review list.
Speaker 3: Libravek Ye Me and John Lee Chawbek.
Speaker 1: Did I think we did liber Odds on one stream
Speaker 1: kind of analyzed it. You know, he's real big into
Speaker 1: the seventy seven and finding it and everything. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy. I actually found some seventy seven uh coincidences,
Speaker 1: coincidences this week posted about him. I'm sure some people
Speaker 1: saw them.
Speaker 3: Interesting. We're we're gonna be doing Libra seven seven seven
Speaker 3: as a series. That's gonna be a big, long series,
Speaker 3: Oh Nick, and they they go through correspondences in there,
Speaker 3: really all throughout. Yeah, all of the herbal stuff that
Speaker 3: I plan on doing with the Alchemy show I'm doing tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. You have an
Speaker 1: Alchemy show?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Probably had an Alchemy show I started last week.
Speaker 1: Funny you say that, because this past weekend I started
Speaker 1: my new uh my new deep dive on alchemy and
Speaker 1: uh yeah getting you know, like I said, think about
Speaker 1: doing some solo episodes. I wanted to do a follow
Speaker 1: up and that Phil back on the Green Man. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I talked to you about that. Also,
Speaker 1: we read Adepts the second hour of Esoteric Book Review Man,
Speaker 1: and I'm even more interested in the Grail, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the Nights of the Grail and all that. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be like doing some deep dives on that too.
Speaker 1: So just some uh yeah, well on gray Field guys,
Speaker 1: or I mean maybe if y'all ever want to do
Speaker 1: it on on you know, on this show, you can
Speaker 1: hop on here talk about it.
Speaker 3: I'd love to have you on as well. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: I'm doing more of the laboratory style alchemy, so I've
Speaker 3: got the right equipment ordered and so we're gonna be
Speaker 3: going through step by step how to create spatirics.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that, but I'd love to be there
Speaker 1: with you while you're doing it, you know. I Uh
Speaker 1: that's that's fascinating, bro. But yeah, yeah, maybe you could
Speaker 1: uh help me understand a couple other things that I
Speaker 1: have questions about with it. But we we wor spot
Speaker 1: on with the Green Man representing uh that alchemical process
Speaker 1: of the soul forur turning green. Uh and then whenever mercury.
Speaker 1: Whenever you're you have that, it turns red, right, and
Speaker 1: so that represents the blood coming out of the sun
Speaker 1: and uh it dude. Yeah, I'm definitely like out to
Speaker 1: be some fun episodes. Well one or two.
Speaker 3: This is just gonna take us through the plant alchemy,
Speaker 3: so up to and including the plant stone.
Speaker 1: Well, that's it's very interesting. Yeah, no, i'd i'd I'd
Speaker 1: love to uh join you for one of those episodes.
Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to be doing any of
Speaker 3: the more esoteric mineral alchemy, which would include gold and
Speaker 3: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm just I'm just kind of referring
Speaker 1: to the image that we brought up on that episode
Speaker 1: that we have with Stein. Yeah, it was a fun episode.
Speaker 1: He's coming on. Stein's coming back on to talk about
Speaker 1: the Norse pantheon.
Speaker 3: So I love it, Like, uh, there's so many rustic
Speaker 3: gods in the Norse pantheon. Like Odin is not the first,
Speaker 3: he's not the creator of the work. Here's the second,
Speaker 3: third generation. Yeah, and so a lot of what happens
Speaker 3: when you're talking about these different arrivals of different gods
Speaker 3: is these represent different migrations of people groups, right, So
Speaker 3: if you think about the Titans as being an older
Speaker 3: Pelasgian form of this Greek Hellenism, and then later on
Speaker 3: you've got the ascendancy of the Mycenians, right, which would
Speaker 3: be the guys in the Iliad, right, and then the
Speaker 3: Greeks come after the Mycenians. So all of these things
Speaker 3: would represent these different migrations, and they would be represented
Speaker 3: in the different gods that they would worship as well. So,
Speaker 3: like I was talking about with the Orphics and how
Speaker 3: they were kind of downplaying you know, this aristatus guys
Speaker 3: being the central core of their their knowledge base, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: different groups take it over, they demonize, and they change
Speaker 3: things around with the mythology. Also something important to keep
Speaker 3: in mind today.
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, dude. That's why I love trying to look
Speaker 1: at it from this perspective as as well, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: try to look at things from just right down the middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yellow debt, Yeah, that definitely represents the ego stella. That's
Speaker 1: why in the you know, the sun being yellow, it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: you're destroying your ego, right, Like the lion is the
Speaker 1: houring the ego by devouring the sun. So I think
Speaker 1: that's incredible symbolism. That's something worthy of getting tattooed on
Speaker 1: you because when you look at like, you know, the
Speaker 1: the alchemy of the spirit, right, the transmutation of dark
Speaker 1: energy into light, which you can get cobbalistic with it whatever, sure,
Speaker 1: but just you know, just getting into slight mysticism. You know,
Speaker 1: it's very common to talk about that.
Speaker 3: Well, even in the reference to this Bogoonia ritual. We
Speaker 3: don't have to take an ox into a shed and
Speaker 3: beat it to death with dog penises, right right, you know,
Speaker 3: we can manifest some of that Bogonia energy by just
Speaker 3: going out into nature. It's going to start to get
Speaker 3: rid of that detrite us, that old way of thinking
Speaker 3: that you get stuck. And they want.
Speaker 7: Us to stay inside, dude, they want us to wear
Speaker 7: these rubber sole shoes. Stay inside, dude. Me and my
Speaker 7: kids and my wife will go outside bear for it
Speaker 7: and just like like it's great to just sit out
Speaker 7: in the sun. I mean, and don't do it for
Speaker 7: too long and you don't want to get burnt, but
Speaker 7: you know that's your own discretion. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 7: they're they're definitely trying to sever that connection from us.
Speaker 1: Even if like I don't know. Man, even if if
Speaker 1: you're praying, if if you're a monotheist and you're praying
Speaker 1: to God, you know, or you're praying to Christ, like,
Speaker 1: go outside and do it like it really you're you're
Speaker 1: you're getting like, I don't know, it's it's it's different
Speaker 1: than inside somewhere. And I know. The church is supposed
Speaker 1: to represent the body literally, like the anatomy of the
Speaker 1: like that's what the first churches were to represent, the
Speaker 1: altar being the head and so on down and so
Speaker 1: uh now it's just very interesting h stuff too.
Speaker 3: Well, if you think about nature as being the body
Speaker 3: of the gods, right, that's sort of the polytheistic way
Speaker 3: of looking at it. Because even in the polytheistic temples,
Speaker 3: you've got all the columns, and at the top of
Speaker 3: the column you've got these things that are emblematic of leaves, right,
Speaker 3: So these columns represent these groves, and the groves is
Speaker 3: where they would worship the gods. Originally, this is where
Speaker 3: the original academia came from, is from the grove of
Speaker 3: the academics, right, So they would go out into nature
Speaker 3: and have symposiums in these sacred groves of trees. So
Speaker 3: that they could reconnect with these spirits. And again we're
Speaker 3: talking about these archaic spiritual energies that the Greeks talked about,
Speaker 3: like the nymphs, like these other you know, nature spirits,
Speaker 3: and how they would interact with them. And this connection
Speaker 3: to nature was central. So they had to bring it
Speaker 3: into their cities. And so the rust of gods, I think,
Speaker 3: is where you find the start of this greekified you know,
Speaker 3: urban life, is because they wanted to take the things
Speaker 3: that they loved in nature and put them into the city.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yes, Stax, you're definitely right with that. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: got kids in here. What's up trying to be sneaky?
Speaker 3: Lucky man? You are a lucky man.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: There's something I'll tell you that. Then they turned twelve
Speaker 1: years old, Dude, I start remembering how I was, and
Speaker 1: I just I regret so much. I you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: kids should definitely treat their parents right because it will,
Speaker 1: uh you know, come.
Speaker 3: Back hard.
Speaker 1: It will.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: He's a great kid, dude, he's he's already moaning the
Speaker 1: yard and he was with me. I changed the oil
Speaker 1: in my GP yesterday. He learned how to do that.
Speaker 1: So teaching them right, you know, uh yeah, Taffy in
Speaker 1: the in the orlanda Odin is actually yeah, like a
Speaker 1: mighty warrior. So, I mean a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: were you know, says that they were gods or whatever.
Speaker 1: They were just the masters of their craft, you know.
Speaker 1: And some of these stories, so you know, some people
Speaker 1: say fallen angels, some people say something else.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: You that's why it's important to look into the archetypes
Speaker 1: of these because you have some cultures where yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: these these the stories of these deities are they're fucked up,
Speaker 1: you know, like the Sumerian stories. Bro, Like why is
Speaker 1: Inky pouring his semen in everybody? Now? This is new
Speaker 1: to mud the artful fashion or so when and like
Speaker 1: him and his son both you know, they were in
Speaker 1: a science lab apparently like he was this scientist. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it could have been all in the spiritual realm, guys,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, it's I just think
Speaker 1: it's very interesting.
Speaker 3: Uh well, but.
Speaker 1: It's very incestual, and it's very it's reminiscent of the
Speaker 1: royal bloodlines of today. And how like I'm just now
Speaker 1: noticing that, you know, not only is it the politicians
Speaker 1: that are all related. But also these actors are all
Speaker 1: related too. They're all like third, second, third cousins.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, and it's a I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, somebody's got to do somebody's got to do the
Speaker 3: genealogies of all of the actors in this Bogonia movie
Speaker 3: because this thing is very ancient. It's kind of what
Speaker 3: they're still.
Speaker 1: Going to do with the actors they casted with the
Speaker 1: ritual do because we know that.
Speaker 3: We just talked about the hopefulness and it's Emma Stone
Speaker 3: who's the sacrifice.
Speaker 1: Okay, Bro, okay, okay, okay, okay, So we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to come back and do an probably do an episode
Speaker 1: on the movie.
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna have to leave right now actually,
Speaker 3: because you're gonna go be the movie and I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we've been here for an hour, guys.
Speaker 1: This we're trying to do one of these a week
Speaker 1: for y'all. Me and Headless. We'll try to get Ethan
Speaker 1: or Jin in here and Nick even hopefully, uh, because
Speaker 1: we probably have a bunch of shows here in the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. Since Nick's been out for a
Speaker 1: couple of week. You know, he's been out for the
Speaker 1: last two weeks. So hold on, let's play. Let's play
Speaker 1: this video real fast. You're wanna play this? Uh? From
Speaker 1: from the expo, from the Paranormal Expo.
Speaker 3: So this is Nick in Arkansas in this museum that
Speaker 3: they've converted over to the Paranormal Expo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, well it's on YouTube. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care. If you don't care, they can't.
Speaker 3: Take it down. No go ahead. I just don't want
Speaker 3: it to. I mean, the only reason why I think
Speaker 3: the trailer is safe is because they want people to
Speaker 3: see the trailer, you know.
Speaker 6: So I did this forty page fully painted graphic none.
Speaker 1: An entity followed my sister in law down to Southern Mississippi,
Speaker 1: caught the down to the University of Southern Mississippi from
Speaker 1: the Crescent Hotel. It was this entity who she called Peade.
Speaker 1: Very creepy dude, very fucking creepy shit. And my wife
Speaker 1: has pictures of them there and then these these like
Speaker 1: red and green auras in there, very creepy stuff at
Speaker 1: the Crescent Hotel Preston Hotel.
Speaker 6: When I was a kid, my parents had taken me
Speaker 6: down to like Eeric Spring and I was just fascinated.
Speaker 3: By the strangeness of that town.
Speaker 6: And a good ghost story is a good historical siptor.
Speaker 2: I hearta Urbansas is toy twenty from the Netherlands, slives
Speaker 2: fell that I stayed And I love blending, I love perfumes.
Speaker 2: I love, you know, just natural beauty products, handmade right
Speaker 2: here in the state of Arkansas. I use only all
Speaker 2: natural materials.
Speaker 4: All the plants that I use in my herbal extracts
Speaker 4: and in my rbal infused balls and in my perfumes,
Speaker 4: I either grow them either I forage them from the forest.
Speaker 2: So everything as locals here in art and saw that.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, shouts out Nick. Yeah. Well guys, thank you
Speaker 1: all for coming and hanging out with us. Dude, Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell let me know how that movie is. Please. Thank
Speaker 1: you for being paid with me. Uh, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not that familiar with these, you know, certain mythologies and
Speaker 1: these names and these stories, so so, you know, thank
Speaker 1: thank you for teaching me. Man. You you you really are.
Speaker 1: I learned something every episode we do. Really just on
Speaker 1: the occult rejects in general. I love hopping on with
Speaker 1: you off of these shows. Yeah, and it's from a
Speaker 1: perspective that you know, haven't really looked at from most
Speaker 1: of the time I've been you know, been podcasting. So
Speaker 1: I like to come at things from different perspectives and
Speaker 1: try to understand, you know, all sides of it. I
Speaker 1: think it's important. I think it's very important. So we
Speaker 1: don't feminize things, you know that that people tell us
Speaker 1: are evil but they don't understand it, right.
Speaker 3: Golden calf?
Speaker 1: Yeah, where do you see the golden calf?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, yeah, yeah, where's the context for the golden calf?
Speaker 3: Why are they worshiping of golden not for me? Well,
Speaker 3: that Aristatus thing as well. You know, this is the
Speaker 3: this is the kind of thing that they were thinking
Speaker 3: about as this Bogonia ritual and why they would venerate
Speaker 3: this cow as being important as part of that whole pantheon.
Speaker 3: And not only that, but you've got the Taurobolium that
Speaker 3: went on in Rome where they would take their priests
Speaker 3: underneath a bull sacrifice. Right, So they've got this, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, a platform that has holes in it above
Speaker 3: and then the priest has to be underneath the bull
Speaker 3: and the sacrificer as they're cutting the throat and then
Speaker 3: raining blood down on the aspirin blood. That's a trabolium.
Speaker 1: That's super dark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it really sounds a whole lot like that
Speaker 3: that Bogonia ritual too. It's like you're being drenched in
Speaker 3: the blood of Heaven, the blood of the Bull of Heaven, right,
Speaker 3: pretty pretty specifically Bull of Heaven. It's above you as
Speaker 3: it's raining blood down on you, and that's your initiation
Speaker 3: to the Roman priestood.
Speaker 1: Well, these things that happen on stage, it could be
Speaker 1: the world stage or the Hollywood stage, you know, these
Speaker 1: these these rituals that they're doing behind the scenes, they
Speaker 1: they portray them as art, right, and and so this
Speaker 1: is their way of letting us know.
Speaker 3: That's why this movie is important. Now you're saving it
Speaker 3: because this thing branches out and changes with all of
Speaker 3: this cultural diffusion. You know, every single culture has this
Speaker 3: different thing. And now it's Hollywood turned their way in
Speaker 3: on the Bogonia ritual. Absolutely something that goes into a
Speaker 3: lot of human sacrifice, you know, because who would you
Speaker 3: sacrifice these babies to bow? You know, Moloch, bullheaded god
Speaker 3: that you put people inside of. Right, it's a complete
Speaker 3: reversal of the Bogonia, which is far more ancient than
Speaker 3: this other form. So maybe there was some theological perversion
Speaker 3: going on with that as well, because there seems to
Speaker 3: be a lot of it coming from that region of
Speaker 3: the world. Is there They're now instead of sacrificing bulls
Speaker 3: to maintain prosperity for the people, they're sacrificing people to bulls.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, from what I understand, it's the Mulk or
Speaker 1: Molok sacrifice to ball right or too Minerva like at
Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove. They think that's Moloch. It's not Moloch. Moloch's
Speaker 1: not even in the Canaanite pantheon. But the Mulk sacrifice
Speaker 1: was the heating up of either the bull his stomach
Speaker 1: or he would have a bowl, right, and some cultures
Speaker 1: that they would drop the infant into and it would
Speaker 1: We've talked about it before. It's disgusting, but but yeah, man,
Speaker 1: so people fear this Moloch deity. And I had Esoteric
Speaker 1: Eddie on to talk about it. He's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really not a deity at all. But now after so
Speaker 1: many people putting all this intention into fearing it, is
Speaker 1: it an entity? Does it exist in some other realm
Speaker 1: as this giant bulld like Baphomet deity? Because I mean
Speaker 1: that is also what you would I mean an aggor right,
Speaker 1: they're creating we're creating aggrigors of these things that are
Speaker 1: just being drawn up or you know, to represent something or.
Speaker 3: Benefit would a mulk the MLK right have again human sacrifices. Look,
Speaker 3: look at what we're doing. What would the leader gain
Speaker 3: from having people sacrifice their own children to the bull
Speaker 3: instead of sacrificing the bull to the gods? Right now,
Speaker 3: you know that you've got that person for life, because
Speaker 3: if they admit to themselves of what horrors they did
Speaker 3: on their own kin for the sake of these leaders,
Speaker 3: they could live with themselves. So now they're on the
Speaker 3: hook for the rest of their lives after sacrificing their
Speaker 3: children to MLK leader, you know, right mulock right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: So it's uh, it's an inversion of the uh you know,
Speaker 3: the boogo on your ritual. It's a complete inversion.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's something we can get into next time. Guys.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, headless, do you do you want
Speaker 1: to put your plugs in?
Speaker 4: Or right?
Speaker 3: If you have any sort of esoteric or strange stories
Speaker 3: involving dreams or something supernatural, you can milk the cow. Nope,
Speaker 3: the bull. Milking the bulls not a good idea. People
Speaker 3: do not try to milk the bull. That does not
Speaker 3: work out well. But uh, if you want to, you
Speaker 3: can check out my my show on Thursday where I
Speaker 3: read your emails and my email address is uh Headless
Speaker 3: Giant Podcast at gmail dot com. And if you have
Speaker 3: any stories, send them there and I will read them.
Speaker 3: And that's also I got done doing the trialogus today
Speaker 3: and I didn't play any clips, so it should still
Speaker 3: be up, so cool. Check that out as well. And
Speaker 3: Alchemy Alchemy mondays. So that's that end us up.
Speaker 1: Yep, I'll be tuning into that, guys. I may be
Speaker 1: going live in a few hours for a Cryptid watch.
Speaker 1: If y'all don't know, I just hang out, shoot the
Speaker 1: ship with the audience, maybe ask for donations and watch
Speaker 1: cryptid videos, give my takes on things, and yeah, we
Speaker 1: just hang out for a couple hours. May do a
Speaker 1: Cryptid watch, may do something else. I don't know. We
Speaker 1: may watch a movie. I don't know yet, so I'm
Speaker 1: still trying to figure that out. But I didn't have
Speaker 1: any guests on this weekend, so I think I'm having
Speaker 1: I think we have some shows next weekend. I'll keep
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Speaker 1: was fun, brother, and I hope you have a good
Speaker 1: rest of your evening. Enjoy your movie.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I gotta go break some laws to get there.
Speaker 3: See you guys.
Speaker 1: Hopefully I'll see y'all end a little bit, y'all, Stay
Speaker 1: Great Pilled. Uh yeah later but