Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Mike is fixing a TV right now.
Speaker 1: This is the problem with live streaming. You figure it out.
Speaker 1: We're watching the stream on another TV to make sure
Speaker 1: it works. And he hit the volume all the way
Speaker 1: up so we would just repeat in the background. Christina
Speaker 1: says she called it and sent a text here and there.
Speaker 1: But we're here. Oh, I gotta turn your mic on.
Speaker 1: There we go, we're here. Andy's not cominguntil later. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna actually remove that video, maybe hide it off in
Speaker 1: the corner until he comes. There we go, all right,
Speaker 1: it's weird. This is weird.
Speaker 2: Starting at seven, the hosts of the National Park after
Speaker 2: Dark will be joining us, and then from eight to eight.
Speaker 1: Thirty, we've got the host some Crime off the Grid.
Speaker 1: So they were.
Speaker 2: Two law enforcement park rangers for thirty years in the
Speaker 2: National Park system, so I'm really excited to talk to
Speaker 2: them about their stories.
Speaker 1: If you put nice comments up, I'm just gonna throw
Speaker 1: them up on the book. So if you want to
Speaker 1: be seen, just say really cool, nice things and I'll
Speaker 1: throw it up there.
Speaker 2: And then from eight thirty to nine, we've got our
Speaker 2: members only call that everyone can watch, and you could
Speaker 2: still sign up for Patreon in the next hour and
Speaker 2: join that call if you'd like.
Speaker 1: Oh, so this isn't like a marathon call in now, yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, we do have a number that people can call in.
Speaker 2: We'll have to figure out on the fly how to
Speaker 2: get that to work. And then from nine to ten.
Speaker 2: Andy should hopefully be here by then, and we're going
Speaker 2: to go through a bunch of voicemails we have and
Speaker 2: just react to some comments and just.
Speaker 1: Andy just that they had a new baby. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he's on daddy duty. He had to come a little
Speaker 1: bit later. Yeah, and our pizza is.
Speaker 2: Going to get delivered, like, yeah, we have food coming.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a long night. And then we've got
Speaker 2: Evan to wrap it up. And he could talk for
Speaker 2: five hours probably yeah.
Speaker 1: We yeah, we'll talk for the five hours. So yeah, awesome,
Speaker 1: Here we go, Here we go. Add to stream. Hey Danielle,
Speaker 1: what's up.
Speaker 3: It's good to see you guys.
Speaker 1: Good to see you too. How are you doing?
Speaker 4: Crazy busy? Cassie said, she's backstage. Oh you can see
Speaker 4: all of us, so she's here.
Speaker 1: Okay, how you doing? Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: I was like blurred out in the back and then
Speaker 5: could see you guys, and it's like I feel like
Speaker 5: I'm eavesdropping on a conversation.
Speaker 1: That is awesome, though, no worries.
Speaker 2: We we've been the first half hour we were just
Speaker 2: getting our sea legs with the stream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're still figuring it out, but it's all right.
Speaker 1: That's how we do things here. Just not coordinated at all.
Speaker 1: All right, I think we're there. Mike, you're just really dark.
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know what's going on. That's that's right.
Speaker 6: You like it's just your shadow with your back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, smoking man from like one of those documentaries where
Speaker 2: I don't my face scene and I just talk.
Speaker 6: So it looks like that. You just need one of
Speaker 6: those voiceovers where your voice is no. Yeah, absolutely, it
Speaker 6: would be perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it's this time of day. We never record this early.
Speaker 2: It's always dark. As it gets darker, I'll up here.
Speaker 1: All right. There's people who like your show more the
Speaker 1: says I love NP eight. That's good. I was encourage it.
Speaker 1: So hey, thanks for doing this. This is awesome. You
Speaker 1: guys have been killing it recently. You got a new
Speaker 1: show coming out. You want to just give us all
Speaker 1: an update of what you've been up to and about
Speaker 1: your new show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well since the last time we talked, because we
Speaker 4: talked last summer, right, yes, yeah, yeah, so a lot
Speaker 4: has happened.
Speaker 3: We've been all over the place. I moved again, which
Speaker 3: is nothing new.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we started a new show because we felt like, hey,
Speaker 4: we're busy six out of seven days a week, we
Speaker 4: should bump that up.
Speaker 6: Right now we have a free day.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, Cassie was really the driving force behind our
Speaker 4: sister podcast.
Speaker 3: It's called Watch Her Cook.
Speaker 4: And for the last few years, we've just been finding
Speaker 4: these stories of incredible women in our research for National
Speaker 4: Park After Dark that maybe didn't fit the exact like
Speaker 4: parameters of the existing show, but we kept coming across
Speaker 4: them and putting them on the you know, on the
Speaker 4: back burner, saying we'll come back to you, and that's
Speaker 4: why we began Watch Her Cook.
Speaker 1: No, that's fantastic. So how's the show going? I mean,
Speaker 1: you've just was it? Did you start a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago? You were launched it? How many episodes do
Speaker 1: you have now?
Speaker 6: We just really start fourth episode today. Yeah, we've been
Speaker 6: I guess technically this is our third week.
Speaker 5: We launched on April ninth, I believe but we launched
Speaker 5: two episodes on the first day and then we had
Speaker 5: two more come out since and we come out every Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, it helps that you guys have the
Speaker 2: really successful National p After Dark to kind of give
Speaker 2: it that initial boost, because I remember when we started
Speaker 2: out and we would have months where we'd get fifty downloads,
Speaker 2: like ten of them are.
Speaker 3: Me Yeah just a loop?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, well that's exciting.
Speaker 2: How does the preparation because I go through this with
Speaker 2: our show, But how is it different doing a show
Speaker 2: on disappearances versus your new show?
Speaker 5: I will say that this one, it's so different because
Speaker 5: and I kind of felt like we had to start
Speaker 5: a new podcast because none of these stories fit the
Speaker 5: narrative of National Parks. But they were all very warranted
Speaker 5: of store of telling the stories themselves, but very different
Speaker 5: because they're not all outdoor based. Yeah, and it's all
Speaker 5: surrounding women, which obviously National Park after Dark is not.
Speaker 5: We tell stories of everything and anything that is outdoor related.
Speaker 5: And also, I will say in National Park after Dark,
Speaker 5: we really lean into the darker things, and with Watch
Speaker 5: Her Cook, we do lean into the darker things, and
Speaker 5: that's definitely going to be more apparent as episodes come out,
Speaker 5: but we're also leaning into more of the more of
Speaker 5: the inspiring stories and the people who kind of beat
Speaker 5: the odds and maybe not so much devastating like disaster stories,
Speaker 5: where there's actually some good outcomes that happen in Watch
Speaker 5: Her Cook, which isn't as popular of a theme in
Speaker 5: National Park after Dark.
Speaker 1: I'm sure good for your mental health though, So it's
Speaker 1: just not always doom and gloom all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very characteristic of like, it's very telling of
Speaker 4: our personalities too. I'm the black Cat to Cassie's Golden Retrievers,
Speaker 4: So Watch Your Cook is very Cassie coded with like,
Speaker 4: look at all this amazing stuff, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: but death, no one died.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 4: It's nice to have that balance because it, you know,
Speaker 4: it does as you very well know, these stories are
Speaker 4: heavy that you're researching and just like dedicating weeks of
Speaker 4: your life to researching and when it's doom and gloom
Speaker 4: a lot, it takes an actual toll on your life and.
Speaker 3: Your mental health.
Speaker 4: So this is a nice additive to lighten the load
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fantastic. We have a front of ours that
Speaker 1: worked on crime Junkies, and she said it literally is
Speaker 1: like a mental health issue when you're looking at crime
Speaker 1: scene photos all the time and you have like these
Speaker 1: workers who are researching, they would take like mental health
Speaker 1: breaks because you're just looking at death and crime scenes constantly,
Speaker 1: and like that's not good for people to see all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 5: That is part of like when we went into Watch
Speaker 5: Her Cook, too, I think a big part of it
Speaker 5: is just as women, when you're looking at all these
Speaker 5: true crime stories, unfortunately a majority of them are involving
Speaker 5: women who are victims. And with Watch Her Cook, it
Speaker 5: was this moment where were we like true crime just
Speaker 5: like the rest of us, we all consume it because
Speaker 5: there is an interest there, but at the same time,
Speaker 5: we were kind of tired of this narrative that women
Speaker 5: are victims, and we wanted to change that narrative and
Speaker 5: be like, wait a minute, there are all of these
Speaker 5: stories of women that are in such a different role
Speaker 5: that are powerful. Maybe they're not the victims at all,
Speaker 5: maybe they're the perpetrators.
Speaker 6: You know, Like it's just.
Speaker 5: We wanted to paint women in their full like multifaceted
Speaker 5: selves versus just these victim narratives. That are often portrayed
Speaker 5: and even in our own show. So we found Watch
Speaker 5: Her Cook as a way to really bring these stories forward.
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. That's awesome. So I'm glad you got it.
Speaker 1: Go on. I'm glad we can direct everyone who doesn't
Speaker 1: already know, which I'm sure they do. But if you don't,
Speaker 1: go subscribe to Watch Your Cook right now.
Speaker 2: I've actually had a few comments on various episodes of
Speaker 2: people after our last talk last summer where they actually
Speaker 2: discover your show for the first time from us, which
Speaker 2: I was kind of shocked.
Speaker 1: So you got like three or four people.
Speaker 3: You're welcome, so thank you so much.
Speaker 2: So before our call, I was kind of looking through
Speaker 2: your instagram, your show's instagram, just to see what you
Speaker 2: were up to, and I was scrolling down and I
Speaker 2: saw a picture of you guys in Antarctica, So yeah,
Speaker 2: could I could you fill us in on what you
Speaker 2: were doing down there, like how that came about and
Speaker 2: what your experience was like, because I would love to
Speaker 2: go there at some point, but it's seems like a
Speaker 2: tough place to get to.
Speaker 4: Well, we can, I can take I'll take the topic
Speaker 4: of how it came about and speak to the experience
Speaker 4: part because GEUS like Antarctica's number one fan. As far
Speaker 4: as how it came about, I think we talked a
Speaker 4: little bit the last time about our group trips that
Speaker 4: we do with National Park After Dark listeners, and that
Speaker 4: was one of them. So we took a group of
Speaker 4: fourteen listeners down to the bottom of the world through
Speaker 4: our group trip. We launched it two years ago, so
Speaker 4: it went on sale two years ago and finally came
Speaker 4: to fruition. Obviously, it was a really involved and big trip,
Speaker 4: not just because it's Antarctica, but just logistically getting there
Speaker 4: and organizing it and all of that. But yeah, so
Speaker 4: we flew we all flew down to Ushuaia, which is
Speaker 4: the southernmost point of South America, and then we took
Speaker 4: a ship from across Drake's Passage to the Antarctic Peninsula,
Speaker 4: where we spent most of our time while we were
Speaker 4: down there, and then came off.
Speaker 1: So did it take two years to fill the trip?
Speaker 3: No, it took one minute.
Speaker 1: Oh really, that's awesome. That was all just logistics and planning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just giving time for people to prep and
Speaker 4: of course it's a huge trip, not just like taking
Speaker 4: the time off and upping, but also like it's a
Speaker 4: big monetary expense like for everybody involved, So just giving
Speaker 4: people time to make payments and do that.
Speaker 3: We would never just be like, Okay, well you need
Speaker 3: to pay us.
Speaker 4: Right now or you can't come take some time, like
Speaker 4: we all need time to figure this out.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's why there was such a big lead time.
Speaker 1: So did you see that? Did you see the ice
Speaker 1: walls that? Because you know it's flat earth and did
Speaker 1: you Guys?
Speaker 4: A few people said that to me when I came
Speaker 4: back and like, I don't get it.
Speaker 1: You've never heard of this. It's apparently Inca was just
Speaker 1: a big ice wall keeping everything from falling off into
Speaker 1: space or whatever.
Speaker 3: Now I know, yeah, beforehand.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's there's allegedly like an alien.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys could have done a whole episode on
Speaker 1: that and got a whole new genre of listener, the conspiracy. Yes,
Speaker 1: So what was Each of you can answer this? What
Speaker 1: was your favorite thing about Antarctica?
Speaker 6: Go for it, Cassie me Y, Yeah, or do I
Speaker 6: start everything about it?
Speaker 5: I think that one of my favorite parts about Antarctica
Speaker 5: was I knew when we booked the trip that when
Speaker 5: I got there that it was going to be breathtaking
Speaker 5: and it was going to be beautiful, and it was
Speaker 5: going to be like it was going to be unlike
Speaker 5: anywhere else that I had ever been. But I didn't
Speaker 5: really realize the magnitude of that until I was looking
Speaker 5: at it. And it is a trip that I will
Speaker 5: always It's the best place I've ever been in my life.
Speaker 5: But I think one of the things that makes it
Speaker 5: so special is that it's truly untouched, minus a couple
Speaker 5: like science stations that are around. It's truly untouched, and
Speaker 5: you are immersed in the wildlife that's there. You know,
Speaker 5: we were Danielle and I did part of the trip.
Speaker 5: We went paddle boarding, and I was paddle boarding.
Speaker 6: And well, we were all were We were.
Speaker 5: In a group and there were just penguins just swimming
Speaker 5: around us. And then at another point there's a furst
Speaker 5: seal that's just spinning and having a nice time swimming
Speaker 5: alongside us, and then you just look and there's just there's.
Speaker 6: A whale over in the other corner.
Speaker 5: It's just it was so beautiful and it was really quiet,
Speaker 5: but there was nothing, There were no big structures, there
Speaker 5: was no just it wasn't spoiled by people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could be mindful for once. Yeah, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1: That sounds amazing. You sold me. I want to go
Speaker 1: paddle boarding in Antarctica. You should, Danielle. Danielle was your favorite?
Speaker 4: Oh god, I have a I definitely have a couple
Speaker 4: favorite moments, but overall, I think my favorite part of
Speaker 4: the entire trip, aside from what Cassie is being somewhere
Speaker 4: and traveling somewhere where we were.
Speaker 3: So how do I say this?
Speaker 4: Everything about that trip was how we need to be
Speaker 4: good stewards of this area and this landscape or you're
Speaker 4: not going.
Speaker 3: It's like there is no this is a suggestion.
Speaker 4: Like hey, you should probably pick up your trash, and
Speaker 4: you know, don't approach a wildlife but like people still do,
Speaker 4: Like they are so dead serious about that stuff, and
Speaker 4: it is so refreshing to see. And there are so
Speaker 4: many laws and regulations and parameters put in place for
Speaker 4: visitors down there that are just so nice to see
Speaker 4: taken so seriously by everybody, visitors and expedition leaders and everybody.
Speaker 4: Everything from going through biosecurity, like anything in your outer
Speaker 4: layer from your hats, your scarves, your gloves to everything
Speaker 4: you're wearing needs to be vacuumed, depart for any lint
Speaker 4: or anything that could blow off and potentially impact the environment.
Speaker 3: Like before you step off the shift the ship, you
Speaker 3: need to do that.
Speaker 4: You need to sanitize your feet before you leave and
Speaker 4: when you come back, like it is just so it's
Speaker 4: just so thorough and on our way down they took
Speaker 4: a lot of time because it took two and a
Speaker 4: half days to get down there by boat.
Speaker 3: They took that opportunity.
Speaker 4: To really educate the entire ship about the importance of
Speaker 4: that stuff and why that those parameters are put in place,
Speaker 4: And it was just really nice because you don't see
Speaker 4: that anywhere else. It's always about people's experience and there
Speaker 4: it's like we are privileged to be there and we
Speaker 4: are just visitors and we need to be super respectful
Speaker 4: of such a fragile ecosystem.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was really cool to see place that's fantastic.
Speaker 1: And that just means when you get there, how you
Speaker 1: describe your experience untouched. That's time they maintain that don't
Speaker 1: show up and there's just like a TwixT wrapper just
Speaker 1: floating around in the middle of Antarctica.
Speaker 2: And it's a really unique place to go because there's
Speaker 2: really not anywhere else I can think of that you
Speaker 2: can really claim is still pristine and untouched anymore, which
Speaker 2: is sad to say. Even Joe and I talked about
Speaker 2: this all the time. How mad I get when I'm
Speaker 2: I've been out hiking and I see garbage, yes, in
Speaker 2: the parks, and like I'll pick it up and throw
Speaker 2: it at my bag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we always come back with more stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always come back with more garbage than I
Speaker 2: even brought with. And yeah, it's just that kind of
Speaker 2: takes away some of the being out there is you
Speaker 2: see in all this garbage everywhere, and so that's got
Speaker 2: to be really amazing to be somewhere where it literally
Speaker 2: is pristine and clean and people actually are trying to
Speaker 2: protect it.
Speaker 1: So that's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And we when we went down like at the
Speaker 4: in Ushweia, obviously it's a big port town, Like there's
Speaker 4: a bunch there's a bunch of ships that were all
Speaker 4: gearing up to head down there at some point. But
Speaker 4: after we left that harbor, we didn't see anybody else.
Speaker 3: I we never saw anybody else.
Speaker 4: So the people that were on the ship there was
Speaker 4: what one hundred and ninety nine passengers aside from them,
Speaker 4: not another human, not another ship, a boat building.
Speaker 3: That had people in it. Like, there's a.
Speaker 4: Couple of stations that we saw that were literally overtaken
Speaker 4: by penguins, like a million of penguins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome, crushing it was so cool.
Speaker 1: How big are the penguins? Were they like Emperor penguins,
Speaker 1: the ones to get like four feet tall.
Speaker 3: Sometimes we didn't see those.
Speaker 4: We saw like Gentoo's and Adeli's Like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: I like this big.
Speaker 1: That's still cool like that those are pretty that's pretty
Speaker 1: big now, bigger than ones I see at the zoo,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah, How was the weather while
Speaker 1: you were there? Was it cold? Yeah, well, obviously cold,
Speaker 1: but there's degrees of cold.
Speaker 6: To be honest, it wasn't that bad. There were days.
Speaker 5: I think one of the days were there was like
Speaker 5: thirty four degrees, so it really it was it's definitely
Speaker 5: winter weather down there, but it really wasn't like we
Speaker 5: wore jackets and sometimes we had something over our mouth
Speaker 5: or something, but for the most part, I think it
Speaker 5: was between like fifteen and.
Speaker 6: Thirty four degrees. The whole time we were there.
Speaker 4: It was like winter weather for us, but it was
Speaker 4: their summer.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, it was warmer in Antarctica than it was
Speaker 5: in Vermont.
Speaker 1: That's that's actually really funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it happens here too, where it'll be warmer in Anchorage, Alaska.
Speaker 1: Did you guys have a trip coming up in the
Speaker 1: beginning of May. We do, Yeah, you have. One of
Speaker 1: your fans says, we'll see on May third.
Speaker 4: So actually, well Friday going a little early, but we're
Speaker 4: going to Joshua Tree and we're doing an event there
Speaker 4: with some listeners.
Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome. That's cool. So what's that event about.
Speaker 6: We're doing a live show and so we're going to
Speaker 6: Excellent Podcast and.
Speaker 5: Then we're doing a camp weekend that has a believe
Speaker 5: of sixty or sixty six people. We're all going to
Speaker 5: camp for the weekend and we have hikes and some
Speaker 5: little fun things to do, some campfire stuff for the
Speaker 5: weekend in Joshua Tree.
Speaker 1: That's really awesome. That's so cool. So you guys are
Speaker 1: just doing this full time now, right. I think when
Speaker 1: we first started talking you were kind of in between,
Speaker 1: but you're just all in now on this and it's
Speaker 1: going real Well, yeah, that's fantastic.
Speaker 3: We don't have time for, not enough hours in the day.
Speaker 1: Do you still love it for sure? Then there you go.
Speaker 1: That's all that matters, that's what you need to do.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. You do have a question from a fan
Speaker 1: from Holly Eckland. I'm new to hiking getting my feet wet?
Speaker 1: Which was each of your scariest hiking experiences? And you've
Speaker 1: encountered animals, elements, et cetera. So Daniel, you.
Speaker 6: Do you want to know our scariest moments.
Speaker 3: Our scariest moments hiking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or experiences, whether it's encountered animals, yeah, anything outdoor?
Speaker 1: What was your scariest experiences?
Speaker 4: The one that comes to mind right off the bat.
Speaker 4: It wasn't exactly like I wasn't scared to death, but
Speaker 4: it definitely shook me up a little bit. I was
Speaker 4: living in Washington State at the time with my partner Ian,
Speaker 4: and we there's a hike out there that everybody in
Speaker 4: Washington is very familiar with.
Speaker 3: It's called Mailbox Peak.
Speaker 4: And it's brutal and you usually have to get up
Speaker 4: pretty early to get going on it. And because we
Speaker 4: lived about three hours away, we decided to drive to
Speaker 4: the around the trailhead and camp the night before so
Speaker 4: we could get up before sunrise and hit it, and
Speaker 4: so we had to have a little pole behind camper.
Speaker 4: It's like a little off road camper and it's about
Speaker 4: the size of a queen size bed. You can lay
Speaker 4: down in it and that's about it. So it's pretty tiny,
Speaker 4: but it's pretty rugged and solid. And we were in
Speaker 4: the back of it with my two dogs sleep and
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I like, I'm a pretty light sleeper,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, I was like I went
Speaker 4: like that and I woke up and I was like,
Speaker 4: what the heck was that?
Speaker 3: But the dogs weren't reacting. Ian was asleep, so I
Speaker 3: didn't really think anything of it. And then all of a.
Speaker 4: Sudden, it was like I was like, okay, this hole shaking.
Speaker 3: So I woke Ian up.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure there's a bear. There's a bear trying
Speaker 4: to get because there the back has a little galley
Speaker 4: area where you know, for storage and stuff, and I
Speaker 4: was like, where did you put the trash because we
Speaker 4: had cooked and he was like he just looked at
Speaker 4: me in silence. I'm like, oh shit, So yeah, the
Speaker 4: shaking continued, and this is a three thousand pound camper.
Speaker 1: So something if something's moving and it's either a vehicle
Speaker 1: or something big.
Speaker 4: Right, and we're in the middle of the one, I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know, like off a logging road.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, I know what this is.
Speaker 4: So I just banged on the side of the door
Speaker 4: and said the classic hey bear, you know whatever.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, all.
Speaker 4: Right, get out there and go check it. So yeah,
Speaker 4: we both go outside and and with my headlamp, I
Speaker 4: could see there was very clear claw marks and bear
Speaker 4: prints on the back of the camper, and so yeah,
Speaker 4: it wasn't like super scary, but it was definitely startling
Speaker 4: and definitely woke us up a little bit as too,
Speaker 4: Like he's like, well, there's no trash cans around here.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I have a bear, Like I have like
Speaker 3: a bear.
Speaker 6: You know, sealed.
Speaker 3: But anyway, whatever that.
Speaker 1: Was, that that would terrify me.
Speaker 4: It was a black bear because of where we were,
Speaker 4: so that really eased my anxiety. If we were in
Speaker 4: Montana or Idaho or why, like, I would have been
Speaker 4: a little bit more right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, black bears are like scared little dogs. If you have.
Speaker 2: It's still not fun to be woken up in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night one trying to like claw through
Speaker 2: your camper though, Yeah, awesome, all right, Cassie.
Speaker 1: What's your extreme scary experience?
Speaker 6: Extreme scary? This one?
Speaker 5: Also, I wouldn't call it extreme scary, but I do
Speaker 5: think if you get into the outdoors like pretty, if
Speaker 5: you're pretty new, this is I guess a good one
Speaker 5: to not do what I did. So this was years
Speaker 5: ago now, but I was in the White Mountains and
Speaker 5: my partner and I we decided that we were going
Speaker 5: to go hiking, and we were going to go to
Speaker 5: what's called the Bond Cliffs, and it's a really long hike.
Speaker 6: It's like twenty one miles if you do it in
Speaker 6: one day.
Speaker 5: And we decided that we were going to hike out
Speaker 5: and camp overnight, and then we were going to do
Speaker 5: the hike partially, camp overnight, and then hike back the
Speaker 5: next day, so just to split it up a little bit.
Speaker 5: But we knew there was some dicey weather that was
Speaker 5: coming in. So we get out there and we start
Speaker 5: hiking and the first I want to say, the first
Speaker 5: three miles of this trail is flat. It's actually comical
Speaker 5: because it leads to these natural waterfalls. So when you're
Speaker 5: hiking back, there's a bunch of people in flip carrying
Speaker 5: like beer cans to go swimming.
Speaker 6: And we've been hiking a mile, but on the.
Speaker 5: Way out there, we hardly get in and it starts
Speaker 5: pouring on us, and it's the wind comes.
Speaker 6: In as howling. There's actually a.
Speaker 5: Tropical storm that we knew was coming in. And we
Speaker 5: went out anyway, and we got a mile and a
Speaker 5: half in and we said we should take shelter, and
Speaker 5: so we set up a tent underneath like there was
Speaker 5: a tree that was kind of falling onto another tree,
Speaker 5: so we were underneath and we set up camp and
Speaker 5: we slept that night, and I was awake all night
Speaker 5: because this storm was so bad. There were like sixty
Speaker 5: mile per hour winds. There were trees falling down all
Speaker 5: around us. It's pouring rain. We don't have a waterproof
Speaker 5: tent really, so it's also getting wet inside.
Speaker 6: And I'm just sitting there. He's fast asleep over there, laying.
Speaker 5: There listening to all of these trees just falling.
Speaker 6: Down around us, and I'm like, I'm going to die.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna die.
Speaker 5: Tonight, like I'm going to get crushed by a tree.
Speaker 5: There's no why are we out here. We're a mile
Speaker 5: and a half.
Speaker 6: Into the woods. We could have stayed in a hotel.
Speaker 5: But we survived and the next morning my shoes were wet,
Speaker 5: but we hiked out. Oh, like we did the whole hike.
Speaker 5: It was really far. But as we were walking along
Speaker 5: the trail, we saw all of the trees that were
Speaker 5: down and there were just branches like littering the whole trail.
Speaker 6: There's full trees down, and I was just like we
Speaker 6: were so close.
Speaker 5: Even around where our tent was, there were trees down
Speaker 5: that were like pretty close to us. But we had
Speaker 5: a covered spot because we were under the tree a
Speaker 5: little bit.
Speaker 6: But don't recommend camping in a tropical storm. If you can,
Speaker 6: if you can't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is why that's actually one of my most
Speaker 1: terrifying things to think of out as a tree falling
Speaker 1: on you. They call him wittle makers, because yeah, that's
Speaker 1: just what a terrible way to go.
Speaker 2: I always look whenever I'm backcountry hiking and camping. The
Speaker 2: first thing I do but like to find a campsite
Speaker 2: is I look up to make sure there's no tree
Speaker 2: branches over me.
Speaker 6: So yeah, we're like a kind of dead tree over you.
Speaker 6: It's like here, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: You guys are incredibly This.
Speaker 5: Isn't my story, but I remember when I was working
Speaker 5: in outdoor education. There was a guy that I worked with,
Speaker 5: and he was with a group of kids because we
Speaker 5: worked with twelve year olds, and it was a little
Speaker 5: windy that day, nothing big, but he had stopped to
Speaker 5: talk about I don't know, it was like some type
Speaker 5: of plant life he had stopped to talk about.
Speaker 6: And while he was talking to the.
Speaker 5: Group, right behind him, a huge tree fell and hit
Speaker 5: the ground like a foot away from him.
Speaker 6: Imagine if.
Speaker 5: He had stepped a foot forward, he would have been
Speaker 5: crushed in the middle of his present sit.
Speaker 1: In front of kids. Yeah, like generations of trauma and damage,
Speaker 1: just like I went on a hike once and the
Speaker 1: guy got crushed by a tree in front of me.
Speaker 1: I went on a.
Speaker 6: School trip and it was supposed to be great, and
Speaker 6: now I'm in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would be in therapy as an adult.
Speaker 1: I would never go out in the woods. If you
Speaker 1: just saw a tree randomly fall and crush somebody, I
Speaker 1: would be terrified to go outside. That's wild. So you
Speaker 1: do the trail That actually is a good segue because
Speaker 1: you do the trail tales where it's your use of
Speaker 1: the listeners submit stories. What's your favorite trail tales that
Speaker 1: have been told from people? And I also wanted to ask,
Speaker 1: do you how do you verify that they're true? We don't.
Speaker 5: Okay, you just trust you think it's interesting and I'll
Speaker 5: show up on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: We were laughing because I think we have the same answer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the same answer.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So we get so many good stories, whether they're true
Speaker 4: or not, we're going to say they're true from everything.
Speaker 4: But started off pretty like solidly outdoor National Park based
Speaker 4: and then now obviously it's evolved, but there's one story.
Speaker 4: It's got to be what two years ago now two
Speaker 4: three years ago. It was an early on story and
Speaker 4: the way it was written was so immediately comedically, perfectly timed,
Speaker 4: and just like it read so well, because sometimes the
Speaker 4: meat of the story is great, but sometimes like the
Speaker 4: wording around it, it's like you have to dig to
Speaker 4: get there. But this was just like Chef's Kiss, so good.
Speaker 4: But essentially this woman was kind of newish to hiking.
Speaker 4: But essentially she went out with you know, all the
Speaker 4: great all this great gear and whatever, and it started
Speaker 4: to drizzle and rain, and she looks down and like
Speaker 4: her crotch was foaming, and she's like, what the.
Speaker 1: Hell, hold on, what did you just say?
Speaker 3: Her crotch was foaming.
Speaker 1: Her crotch was like foam? Was it? Angry?
Speaker 3: So now she was like.
Speaker 4: Going through all the stages of grief, like what it's
Speaker 4: going on down here?
Speaker 3: Like confusion, disappointment, like anger.
Speaker 4: You're like denial, you know, just bargaining with it.
Speaker 3: What's happening.
Speaker 4: And she's going through all these things, and she's like
Speaker 4: wiping it away, trying it because she's clearly like embarrassed,
Speaker 4: and so she's trying to wipe it away, but it
Speaker 4: keeps getting it keeps coming back, and it starts writing harder,
Speaker 4: so it gets worse and worse.
Speaker 3: She's like, it's like a washing machine. Now.
Speaker 4: It was so funny, but anyways, long story short, it
Speaker 4: was like the detergent that she had used in her
Speaker 4: pants and the friction of like that one.
Speaker 3: Spot which she what was it called the foaming pants
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: She's hard to do.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so good.
Speaker 6: The best part about that.
Speaker 5: The best part about that story too, is that she
Speaker 5: came in and part of her story she was like,
Speaker 5: can someone else tell me?
Speaker 6: Has this happened to you?
Speaker 5: And we got a flot of messages of other women
Speaker 5: with foaming pants?
Speaker 1: Is this like a thing?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've never heard that, Like fabric will hold the
Speaker 5: like detergent, or if you haven't washed them yet and
Speaker 5: then they get wet and they haven't cleaned some of
Speaker 5: the fibers or something out of it, like when the.
Speaker 6: Friction causes like a weird We don't.
Speaker 5: Know the exact science behind it, but we do know
Speaker 5: it's a common So I come.
Speaker 1: From the world of pharmaceutical clinical trials. I feel like
Speaker 1: you have enough data sets where you could figure out
Speaker 1: if it's a specific type of washing machine, specific type
Speaker 1: of fabric, or specific type of detergent. It could be a.
Speaker 6: Very interesting study.
Speaker 1: What hiking pants women should not wear in the rain?
Speaker 1: And why?
Speaker 3: What reading? I think it's my eyes, my monitors kind
Speaker 3: of far.
Speaker 4: From me, But I think Gabrielle said she hadn't washed
Speaker 4: her pants before washing them, it was because of that.
Speaker 6: I think that's what it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, material that I don't know whatever, it was so funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was a that was the most memorable
Speaker 3: one for sure.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I've never heard of that.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that's never happened in any of your hiking
Speaker 2: trips with your listeners, so.
Speaker 6: Not that we've noticed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, I've never seen that before.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Crotch foaming yep. I've never had that issue
Speaker 1: on a hiking trail, have you.
Speaker 2: No, I would freak out that. I mean, that's not
Speaker 2: something you expect to happen.
Speaker 6: So having a medical emergence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or seriously, one of my buddies playing a prank
Speaker 2: on me?
Speaker 1: Did they put something in my I should do I
Speaker 1: should do that to you. Actually, that's crazy. Get some
Speaker 1: dawn Dish soap on there be while you're not paying attention,
Speaker 1: so for a yeah. Yeah. So with all of the
Speaker 1: new success and continued growth, what's the biggest thing you
Speaker 1: guys are looking forward to this year and going forward
Speaker 1: with your show, your new show, your live shows, anything
Speaker 1: you can reveal that's coming up.
Speaker 4: I was I'm like, I don't think we can say.
Speaker 1: You can't say that, all right? Is there any type
Speaker 1: of teaser, like when people should be paying attention and waiting.
Speaker 6: No, it's very early stages.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 5: So I guess in terms of things that we can.
Speaker 6: Speak about that we are excited for.
Speaker 5: Is we have a few trips coming up.
Speaker 6: This year which are exciting. We're doing a Colorado trip.
Speaker 5: And we're doing like Alma, We're not hitting Mesa Verde,
Speaker 5: but we're doing pretty much every other national park, which
Speaker 5: is really exciting. And then we're also doing a Hawaii's
Speaker 5: Volcanoes National Park trip with listeners as well, which is
Speaker 5: really something that we're looking forward to.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Besides, so in the States, what's your favorite
Speaker 1: national park that you've been to or like the most
Speaker 1: excited trip you're looking forward to.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Cassie, Oh yeah god.
Speaker 5: Okay, so this isn't a this isn't a National park
Speaker 5: after dark trip.
Speaker 6: It's a personal trip.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So we Cassie, especially like whenever everybody asked us our
Speaker 4: favorite parks, we have our standard answers, but Cassie always
Speaker 4: has a disclaimer of like for now, because I'm pretty
Speaker 4: sure my favorite park that I will eventually go to
Speaker 4: will be Glacier and this summer, we have the opportunity
Speaker 4: to go to the Granite Park Chalat and stay for
Speaker 4: a couple of nights. So we're going to be doing
Speaker 4: that this summer and that's something that we're both stoked for.
Speaker 1: You haven't either of you have not been to Glacier yet. No. Oh,
Speaker 1: that is my favorite park of all the national parts,
Speaker 1: and the Chalet. The Chalet is beautiful. Hiking to the
Speaker 1: Chalet is amazing. Just even driving along, going into the
Speaker 1: sun Road is absolutely beautiful. If you do have the time.
Speaker 1: They do the tours, like the open ended buses you
Speaker 1: can go through there and they talk about the history
Speaker 1: of the park. That's amazing. We did. That was the
Speaker 1: one story that me and Mike had. Those probably the
Speaker 1: scariest hike we were on. Yeah, we did a backcountry
Speaker 1: for three or four days something like that. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: hiked in the fifty Mountain campsite where you normally have
Speaker 1: to go hiking into Canada then back out of Canada
Speaker 1: just to get to this campground that's really far back
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere. We forgot our passport. We
Speaker 1: forgot our passport, so we had to take the long
Speaker 1: way going up the wrong way. Essentially to get there,
Speaker 1: and we ended up camping and nobody was there, which
Speaker 1: is uncommon because all of the permits get taken up
Speaker 1: all the time, Like we applied for the permits a
Speaker 1: year and a half in advance, and nobody was there.
Speaker 1: And then two rangers show up on horseback and like,
Speaker 1: what the hell are you boys doing here? Twelve gage shotguns? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had guns, and they came to like we're like,
Speaker 1: here's our permits, Like we're not We're supposed to be here.
Speaker 1: And they had shut down every campsite in the five
Speaker 1: mile radius because there was a grizzly attacking people and
Speaker 1: they were there to put it down. So they had
Speaker 1: us camp together with them overnight because it was too
Speaker 1: late for us to hike out. And the one guy,
Speaker 1: one of our hiking mates, like we had bear spray.
Speaker 1: I usually in grizzly country, I keep a firearm as
Speaker 1: like the absolute last resort. And one of our guys hikings,
Speaker 1: was complaining about that we had a gun. For some reason.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not gonna be shooting anything. It's
Speaker 1: like if I'm being attacked and gonna die, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do it. That's what the bear spray's for. But
Speaker 1: then the ranger literally goes to us. He goes, do
Speaker 1: any of you boys have a gun on you? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I do, like you might need it. I have a
Speaker 1: good night. Yeah, I was like, oh man, So I
Speaker 1: didn't sleep a wink that night. He kept making fun
Speaker 1: of our buddy who was in a hammock. He kept
Speaker 1: calling him a bear burrito. So yeah, oh wow. Glacier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna love Glacier on one of my favorite
Speaker 2: parts too.
Speaker 1: I think we've done it twice. Yeah, we've done twice,
Speaker 1: so backcountry is the best one, and then just even
Speaker 1: out on the other trip. Yeah, even the day hikes
Speaker 1: are just great. It's beautiful, the glacial lakes. You can
Speaker 1: just see lots of waterfalls going down to him and
Speaker 1: just everything looks very pristine. So yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really cool because like we've always wanted to
Speaker 4: go and stuff. But I was talking to someone who
Speaker 4: is from there and he was like, oh, yeah, when
Speaker 4: are you going, And I told him it's during the
Speaker 4: summer months. He's like, oh, yeah, that's not gonna help
Speaker 4: your case of wanting to move there, because I like,
Speaker 4: I was like, my next move is probably gonna be
Speaker 4: to Montana, and he's like, yeah, for sure, you're definitely
Speaker 4: gonna Like after that visit, you ago you're moving there.
Speaker 1: Well, Bozeman's such a cool town to hang out, and
Speaker 1: then you're like, write access to it. There's a couple
Speaker 1: other cities that are great there. And I went there
Speaker 1: with my family and we hit a cow. You gotta
Speaker 1: be careful when you're driving. We totalled our car in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and ended up staying overnight
Speaker 1: in like a fire station, and it was a whole thing.
Speaker 1: We were going up to vamp and just completely total
Speaker 1: their car in the way up there. But it's so
Speaker 1: common people die all the time hitting cows in the road.
Speaker 3: Well that's good to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like pitch black so at night, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you just see it until you're ten feet away from it.
Speaker 1: The only reason we didn't have major injuries is because
Speaker 1: the speed limits like a hundred out there. I was
Speaker 1: still only doing about forty miles an hour. Because every
Speaker 1: time I drove out there with Mike there's just deer
Speaker 1: and there's animals everywhere. You just can't you have to
Speaker 1: assume you're gonna hit an animal when you're driving out there.
Speaker 1: It's that bad. Yeah, but it's cool.
Speaker 2: If I had to pick western state to live in,
Speaker 2: Montana is on the short list.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, So you're going to be moving again soon.
Speaker 3: I don't know. We'll see. I mean Colorado, I've been.
Speaker 4: I've lived in Colorado two separate times, for several years each.
Speaker 4: I lived in Washington State. I'm from New Hampshire. I
Speaker 4: live in Maine right now, and I think that Montana.
Speaker 7: Is the natural next step. But we'll see naturally. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but then we also have it's going to be a
Speaker 7: shorter trip.
Speaker 4: But based on actually a connection we made with somebody
Speaker 4: that we interviewed for National Park after Dark about a
Speaker 4: year ago. Her name's Mave and she works with the
Speaker 4: Wolf project up in Voyagers and she invited us up
Speaker 4: for a weekend where a project that she's doing with
Speaker 4: the Wolf program. So we are excited to be able
Speaker 4: to do that this year as well.
Speaker 3: That's going to be So what was the.
Speaker 1: Wolf program introducing them back into the area or how
Speaker 1: does that work?
Speaker 4: No, it's just she was at the time that we
Speaker 4: talked to her, she worked as I'm pretty sure she
Speaker 4: was just a technician and like wolf depredation specialist and
Speaker 4: went around the park and did a lot of studies
Speaker 4: on the wolf dends and different farming operations around the
Speaker 4: perimeter of the park and talk to them about non
Speaker 4: lethal coexistence measures and things like that. And she's been
Speaker 4: promoted to a different position where she gets to develop
Speaker 4: some sorts of programming to help support the program as
Speaker 4: a whole. And they're starting to talk about doing some
Speaker 4: weekends where they invite guests and a lot of them
Speaker 4: are supporters of the program, like contributors already, to get
Speaker 4: a hands on look into what they do and what
Speaker 4: the work is and just get an inside look, boots
Speaker 4: on the ground type of look into their operations and
Speaker 4: the studies they conduct on the populations there that are
Speaker 4: already existing there.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it'll be really cool.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, that's really cool. So you guys have just
Speaker 1: been getting really neat opportunities outside of the podcast just
Speaker 1: as a result of success. What's been your favorite thing
Speaker 1: that you didn't expect that the podcast kind of laid
Speaker 1: in your lap or brought to you from your work there.
Speaker 6: I think that.
Speaker 5: My favorite part, and it might sound a little cheesy,
Speaker 5: but I think my favorite part is actually when we
Speaker 5: are able to do these trips and we're able to
Speaker 5: bring a lot of like minded people together. When we
Speaker 5: get on these trips, we watch these friendships unfold. That
Speaker 5: has nothing to do with that, like we facilitated the trip,
Speaker 5: but the friendships that are being made are just because
Speaker 5: there's people from different sides of the country that are
Speaker 5: meeting in these one spots and it turns out that
Speaker 5: they all have.
Speaker 6: Something in common.
Speaker 5: And watching these friendships form and then watching them take it.
Speaker 5: I mean, there have been so many peopeople from our
Speaker 5: trips that have become friends on our trips, and then
Speaker 5: we see them on social media hanging out like in
Speaker 5: another part of the world, in another part of the country, whatever,
Speaker 5: just going out on their own and they've become such
Speaker 5: good friends. And I think that my favorite part about
Speaker 5: National Park after Dark is the community that has come
Speaker 5: from it and we have. I think one of the
Speaker 5: things about podcasting is like when you go into it,
Speaker 5: and you guys know too, is it can be nerve wracking.
Speaker 5: You're putting yourself out there, you're putting your voice out there,
Speaker 5: you're putting your face out there, and the internet can
Speaker 5: be scary it can be scary and it can be
Speaker 5: means sometimes, but with our community, everyone has been so
Speaker 5: kind and everyone's been so lovely and overwhelmingly, of course
Speaker 5: there's a couple outliers.
Speaker 1: And that we have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but overwhelmingly, I think that my favorite part has
Speaker 5: been the community that's been brought together because of National
Speaker 5: Park after dark.
Speaker 1: That's cool. You're like inadvertently doing matchmaking for friends, and
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's really cool because if they become lifelong friends,
Speaker 1: like you're the impetus for that, that's actually really beautiful.
Speaker 1: That's not cheesy at all. I love that, Danielle. What's
Speaker 1: your favorite besides like the morbid death things you get
Speaker 1: to hear about that just feed your dark soul?
Speaker 3: Yeah, truly, I think that.
Speaker 4: I have an answer that's like also kind of cheesy,
Speaker 4: But my follow up answer.
Speaker 3: Is we get to learn about so.
Speaker 4: Many amazing things, and we're just continuously evolving and growing
Speaker 4: our minds and getting glimpses into different cultures and people
Speaker 4: and places and things that we would have never come
Speaker 4: across otherwise. You know, like you have your education in
Speaker 4: your early years, and for most people that's it like,
Speaker 4: that's where that ends. And we have this amazing opportunity
Speaker 4: to make a livelihood stuff of our true interests and
Speaker 4: things that we want to expand our perspectives on and
Speaker 4: learn about.
Speaker 3: And some of it's fun.
Speaker 4: I want to learn about the cryptid that lives in
Speaker 4: the swamps of North Carolina whatever, and that's like fun,
Speaker 4: But by and large, it's like, what can we learn
Speaker 4: about this historic event and what can we take from
Speaker 4: that and how can we integrate it into our lives
Speaker 4: and move forward with that? Like it's things like that
Speaker 4: that are just week after week. Is not lost on
Speaker 4: us that we get to just immerse ourselves and then
Speaker 4: share it, share that love and passion with other people
Speaker 4: who may have never may never have come across their desk.
Speaker 3: So that's just.
Speaker 4: Something that we're really happy to be able to do
Speaker 4: and we're very fortunate that we get to choose, like
Speaker 4: we're the captains of our own ship.
Speaker 3: And how many people can say that.
Speaker 1: That's really fantastic like that? And then we just had
Speaker 1: Tara from Crime Off the Grid. She wanted to say
Speaker 1: before you guys leave that she was the ranger that
Speaker 1: was responsible for losing Jade the dog in Yellowstone, So
Speaker 1: you did a story about that, and she felt so
Speaker 1: bad after that happened.
Speaker 3: So now Jade, so, yes, that's okay.
Speaker 6: I also feel like that was an impossible situation.
Speaker 1: Jay.
Speaker 5: Are you guys familiar with Jade's story?
Speaker 1: No, I've never heard. No, you should tell us because
Speaker 1: Tara's coming on next in a little bit and then
Speaker 1: I'll hear her side of the story too.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 4: So I did this story like a couple of years ago,
Speaker 4: so the details might be a little fuzzy, but essentially,
Speaker 4: there was a couple who were newly dating, like they
Speaker 4: were pretty early on, and they had a couple of
Speaker 4: dogs with them in crates and they were in the
Speaker 4: back of their car in Yellowstone. They were driving around
Speaker 4: and they got into an accident and because of that accident,
Speaker 4: one of the dogs, Jade, got loose and was terrified
Speaker 4: and ran off into Yellowstone and the owner, the woman
Speaker 4: was like clearly in like shamble. She was so upset.
Speaker 4: Her boyfriend at the time, like was injured. There was
Speaker 4: a lot of other things going on. It was a
Speaker 4: pretty bad accident, and yeah, Jade got lost for a
Speaker 4: few months in Yellowstone and they had to There was
Speaker 4: like ex sightings about from people here and there about
Speaker 4: maybe I think she was a Australian shepherd or a border.
Speaker 5: I thought she was a collie and she's like a collie.
Speaker 5: I remember she was black and white and she had
Speaker 5: like long hair.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so yeah, there was this whole saga about
Speaker 4: finding her, and they did and she survived, This dog
Speaker 4: from Denver survived in Yellowstone for like against the odds.
Speaker 3: And it was a very sweet, heartwarming story.
Speaker 4: Although it was very stressful to read because I read
Speaker 4: the book Finding Jade. Yeah, and as somebody who lives
Speaker 4: for her dogs, like the emotional strife of that and
Speaker 4: knowing everything that could go wrong for that animal there
Speaker 4: what it.
Speaker 1: Faced out that. Yeah, Yeah, now I might be dating myself.
Speaker 1: Do you guys, Are you guys aware of the movie
Speaker 1: Homeward Bound?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, I love that movie.
Speaker 5: My first trauma when I was little.
Speaker 1: I think that's the first movie I cried about when
Speaker 1: I was a kid. I haven't seen that. That's all
Speaker 1: I think about is Homeward Bound. Whenever it's like an
Speaker 1: animal loss trying to find its way home, and it's
Speaker 1: just so sad. You just imagine it has a voice.
Speaker 3: It's just's voice too.
Speaker 4: That's like, you know, oh my god, a chance. It's
Speaker 4: just like the comedic relief and Sassy is like me.
Speaker 4: But anyway, Yeah, it's a good one.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to watch that one, though, I still
Speaker 2: need to watch The Guy who Went to the Bus
Speaker 2: in Alaska.
Speaker 1: The Wild.
Speaker 4: That is our most requested episode, I would say, and
Speaker 4: we keep ignoring it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we finally, Yeah, we caved and did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we finally covered it a few months ago. And
Speaker 1: I just because a lot of people, Yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of people want to know about it, like they've written books,
Speaker 1: there's movies. It's just like, I think people just like
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 4: Story, like it's a very yeah, gripping story for sure.
Speaker 6: You have people before.
Speaker 1: That's my wife and my son they're delivering right back.
Speaker 1: That's my Cassie. Yeah, that's you know why there's two
Speaker 1: camps on that story. There's the mean people who make
Speaker 1: fun of him, like, oh, he was wilfully unprepared, and
Speaker 1: then there's the people like I prefer myself. It's like
Speaker 1: very poetic the way he lived his life. Obviously, it's
Speaker 1: tragic and there's a lot of mistakes made, but he
Speaker 1: just went for it, and I really admire I admire
Speaker 1: people who do hard things because they're like soul led
Speaker 1: them that way, And that's why I've always loved the story.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, he made a bunch of mistakes. We
Speaker 1: all make mistakes all the time. That's how we learn.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately he made a really big one, but.
Speaker 3: That everyone learned about exactly.
Speaker 4: Everyone learns about your mistakes right there on this global
Speaker 4: scale and stage.
Speaker 3: Like his was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. I always loved that story. It's really touching.
Speaker 1: I like, I like the way they played the movie
Speaker 1: and played the whole thing out. I haven't read the book.
Speaker 1: Have you read the book at all? Into the World?
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, so I've only seen the movie.
Speaker 2: I didn't read the book, So I feel like I
Speaker 2: know the case now after doing the research on it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so probably don't need to read the book.
Speaker 6: But yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, in closing, anything else you guys want to say
Speaker 1: about your show, anything coming up that you can talk
Speaker 1: about direct all the listeners in a direction of your show,
Speaker 1: your new show. We'll post links to it. Yeah, we'll post.
Speaker 4: When we have coming I don't even know we have
Speaker 4: our live show that's coming up.
Speaker 5: Next week, which it seems like there's a few people
Speaker 5: who are here that will be comings who are excited
Speaker 5: to see you there. And then I guess we just
Speaker 5: have all of the other troops.
Speaker 4: So many things people say like I can't tell you,
Speaker 4: but it's happening, So I hate to be that person,
Speaker 4: but we like legitimately can't.
Speaker 1: All right, let us know when we can't say it
Speaker 1: will help promote whatever it is, not that you need it.
Speaker 1: We'll send our five people that we sent to your
Speaker 1: show to learn about that. And the last, the last
Speaker 1: official question from John Woods. Do you guys play Dungeons
Speaker 1: and Dragons or similar t t r p s's Secretly,
Speaker 1: what are t t r p s? I have no clue.
Speaker 1: Oh t t t r p G, which doesn't clarify
Speaker 1: it for me. The answer for me is no, yeah, no, I.
Speaker 3: Okay, I know what the answer is.
Speaker 5: No for me, I don't Dungeons and Dragons. I do
Speaker 5: play I have we have this game at home where
Speaker 5: we play, like the old Mario game with like Mario
Speaker 5: and Luigi and Yoshi, like the old one from the
Speaker 5: nineties they played.
Speaker 1: On Super Nintendo. Yeah, like Mario Party. No before that,
Speaker 1: before Mario Party.
Speaker 6: Like the original the og Mario where you're like.
Speaker 5: Where you're hitting the little question mark boxes and you
Speaker 5: get a mushroom or the oh.
Speaker 1: Like regular Nintendo Original Mario. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not like Dungeons and Dragons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going in a completely different direction.
Speaker 4: I thought you were gonna say, I don't play Dungeons
Speaker 4: and Dragons, but I read about dragons.
Speaker 5: I do read about dragons sometimes, and I don't think
Speaker 5: this is Dungeon and Dragons either.
Speaker 6: But I have been LARPing.
Speaker 1: You you've been LARPing. I think you're very close to
Speaker 1: Dungeons and Dragons. Then, yeah, like that's like the LARPI
Speaker 1: and fill me in on what that.
Speaker 3: Means again, No, I know what it means. And we're
Speaker 3: having a moment. What do you talk about?
Speaker 4: Would you like to come when you say you have been,
Speaker 4: like you've been one time in the past, or you
Speaker 4: are actively going.
Speaker 5: My brother goes LARPing and he invites me sometimes, which
Speaker 5: I will say though, I thought it was like my
Speaker 5: brother invited me and I was so excited.
Speaker 6: I was like a time to bond and it's gonna
Speaker 6: be great.
Speaker 4: And it's live role playing for whoa, okay, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: have you ever seen what's the movie with?
Speaker 1: And I can't even think of it. They get court
Speaker 1: ordered to like watch kids and they have to go,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yep, I forget that model Yeah, role models.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, sorry.
Speaker 6: Similar to that, very similar to that.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm glad I could help you, guys reveal
Speaker 1: something new about your friendship that you didn't know previously.
Speaker 3: I really didn't know. Yeah, it was experience.
Speaker 6: It's experience.
Speaker 5: And so I went to my I went and hung
Speaker 5: out with my brother and his friends who they have.
Speaker 5: They've made weapons and there are serious weapons, like there
Speaker 5: are metal poles and stuff. They cover them in foam
Speaker 5: so they don't hurt you, but they're serious weapons. And
Speaker 5: I went there thinking I was going to be like
Speaker 5: this bonding moment with my brother. And I even brought
Speaker 5: one of my really close friends that I went to
Speaker 5: school with, and I was like, Okay, at least she'll
Speaker 5: be on my side.
Speaker 6: We were the only girls.
Speaker 5: Everyone ganged up on me and chased me and did
Speaker 5: me with swords.
Speaker 1: And it was the easy target.
Speaker 6: Apparently I looked like an easy target. But yeah, it
Speaker 6: was ten.
Speaker 1: Times recommend awesome I'm glad we could have had this
Speaker 1: major reveal on the way out. So you guys are
Speaker 1: gonna have to go talk about this now because Danielle,
Speaker 1: you seemed very upset that you didn't know this ahead
Speaker 1: of time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like or someone.
Speaker 4: I talked to Cassie more than I talked to him
Speaker 4: anybody on this planet, and that somehow slipped.
Speaker 3: Through the cracks.
Speaker 8: So awesome, she's a secret keeper. I have a question
Speaker 8: for you guys before we go. We have sure less,
Speaker 8: So what's the farewell thing about? What are you guys
Speaker 8: doing so this.
Speaker 1: Studio, unfortunately, because it's awesome because we're in the city,
Speaker 1: they're renovating this whole building, so we're moving somewhere else
Speaker 1: and we don't even know where.
Speaker 2: We don't have a new studio yet, so it's kind
Speaker 2: of yeah, we it's going to figure it out. We've
Speaker 2: had such a great time, and it's really the people
Speaker 2: outside of the window. Especially in the summer. We have
Speaker 2: a big music festival downtown in June and July called Summerfest,
Speaker 2: and people just get really drunk and wider around the
Speaker 2: city and people are so funny.
Speaker 1: Oh, we get twerkers. People come and twerk in the
Speaker 1: middle so you can watch them like the old and
Speaker 1: we have a camera that will switch on that just
Speaker 1: shows the windows when people are doing ridiculous stuff, but
Speaker 1: things they say and the stuff they do in the
Speaker 1: windows is just absolutely gold. It's fantastic.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, we're not the show's not ending, but our
Speaker 2: location we're in right now is going away, and we
Speaker 2: at the moment don't know where we're going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so location is.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, early our locations and so yeah, so we
Speaker 9: want to brand and we've talked about doing a big
Speaker 9: live stream like this one is probably gonna go to
Speaker 9: midnight our time, and we've talked about it for two
Speaker 9: or three years and we've never done it because it
Speaker 9: is a kind of paying the ass to sit and
Speaker 9: talk for six hours.
Speaker 2: But we're doing it now because our studio is going away,
Speaker 2: so for the temporary hopefully.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well that's on your next step wherever it is,
Speaker 4: and it'll nice place. It'll be meant for you whenever
Speaker 4: it comes.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you guys have fun on your trips. Thanks
Speaker 1: for making the time and joining and yeah, good luck
Speaker 1: on your live show at Joshua Tree. That sounds great.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Some day we'll have to. We'll have to
Speaker 1: go to one of.
Speaker 4: Those yes, where we can connect in another way. Just
Speaker 4: let us know are up to and absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yes. All right, well you guys.
Speaker 3: Later joining all right, see you guys.
Speaker 6: Thanks us.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I think we're going to close it out.
Speaker 1: We've done four and a half hours. I'm exhausted, no,
Speaker 1: but thank you all for hanging in here with us
Speaker 1: through thick and thin. Yeah, and well, I.
Speaker 2: Think what we're gonna do is edit this down and
Speaker 2: release like I'm not going to release on four and
Speaker 2: a half hours onto the podcast like audio. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: might break it down to a couple episodes, like the
Speaker 2: National Park interview.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good idea, I have an interview. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: That's a good idea.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of filler stuff.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of filler, but.
Speaker 1: No, some of you who hung on through to the end,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. This is a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I actually enjoyed it. But I am exhausted. Me too.
Speaker 1: We've been dying for four and a half hours. But anyway,
Speaker 1: thank you all for tuning into our show and listening
Speaker 1: to locations unknown. Please tell your friends and family they're
Speaker 1: not all four and a half hours long, but just
Speaker 1: remember when taking a walk in the woods, always remember
Speaker 1: to leave no trace. Thanks and we will see you
Speaker 1: all next time.